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A
Before
proceeding
to
the
agenda,
I
want
to
recognize
that
Ottawa
is
located
on
unseated
territory
of
the
Algonquin
anishnabi
host
nation.
The
peoples
of
the
Algonquin
anishinaabe
Nation
have
lived
on
this
territory
for
millennia,
their
culture
and
presence
have
nurtured
and
continue
to
nurture
this
land.
A
A
We
are
currently
broadcasting
on
zoom
and
live
streaming
on
YouTube.
Given
this
meeting
is
being
held
electronically.
I
want
to
caution
that
there
is
a
possibility
for
technical
difficulties.
Should
we
receive
any
disruptions?
I
would
ask
that
everyone
remained
patient
as
we
work
to
fix
the
issue
and
resume
the
meeting
as
soon
as
possible.
A
A
I
will
now
proceed
with
the
confirmation
of
the
agenda
that
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
Board,
confirmed
the
agenda
of
the
January
23
2023
meeting.
Is
the
agenda
confirmed
confirmed?
Thank
you,
member
Curry,
confirmation
of
minutes.
There
are
a
number
of
minutes
to
confirm,
including
the
following
minutes:
number
66
of
November
28
2022
minutes,
67
of
December
9,
2022
minutes,
70
of
December,
30th,
2022
and
minutes
71
of
January
5th
2023
are
the
minutes
confirmed
confirmed.
A
A
There
is
a
report
on
this
evening's
agenda
from
the
committee,
so
I
don't
believe
we
need
a
verbal
update
that
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
Board,
received
this
item
for
information.
Is
the
item
received
received?
Thank
you,
member
Curry,
Declarations
of
Interest.
Are
there
any
Declarations
of
Interest
seeing
none?
Thank
you.
A
Public
delegations
prior
to
proceeding
with
the
first
registered
delegate
I,
do
want
to
make
a
few
comments
on
decorum
and
remind
participants
of
the
requirement
to
abide
by
our
procedural
guidelines.
This
includes
reframing
from
using
unparliamentary
and
offensive
language,
as
well
as
making
allegations
against
members
of
the
police
service
or
even
members
of
this
board.
It
also
means
focusing
your
comments
on
the
topic
you
signed
up
to
speak
on.
A
B
Thank
you.
When
we
took
over
your
November
November
30th
meeting,
we
clearly
asked
that
you
start
holding
hybrid
meetings
that
allowed
ritual
as
well
as
in-person
public
delegations.
Instead,
he
chose
to
make
this
meeting
entirely
virtual
in
a
clear
effort
to
limit
any
trouble
we
up
with
the
activist
my
cause.
So
let
me
get
right
to
that.
B
Then
early
May,
the
Ottawa
Carlton
District
School
Board
trustees,
unanimously
defeated
a
motion
to
reinstate
the
school
resource
officer
program.
The
board
had
ended
the
SR
program
in
2021.
After
it
did
a
human
rights-based
evaluation
it
found
the
program
had
been
harmful
to
Black,
indigenous
and
lgbtq
students.
B
Two
days
after
the
board
rejected
the
motion
to
bring
back
sros,
the
Ops
released
its
use
of
force
race
data,
showing
they
use
force
disproportionately
on
black
Middle
Eastern
and
Indigenous
people.
Deputy
chief
Bell
present
presented
the
use
of
foreign
raised
data
as
if
they
had
collected
it
voluntarily.
They
didn't
the
Ontario
government,
ordered
them
to
collected
over
two
years
ago,
just
like
the
Ontario
Human,
Rights,
Commission
ordered
them
to
collect
race-based
traffic,
stop
data
back
in
2013
and
nine
years
later.
The
result
is
the
same.
B
The
Ops
treats
black
and
Middle
Eastern
people
worse
the
day
after
they
released
their
use
of
forced
race
data.
The
LPS
responded
to
a
call
from
an
Orleans
High
School
about
students
protesting
the
School
dress
code.
While
the
cameras
rolled
Ops
officers
aggressively
arrested
a
young
white
student,
despite
the
video
showing
the
student
apparently
doing
nothing
wrong
and
finally,
the
year
ended
yet
again
with
Priority
One
Lavon
calls
making
up
less
than
one
percent
of
what
the
Ops
actually
did.
B
If
they're
elected
chair,
he
then
voted
to
change
the
rule
to
allow
you
to
appoint
the
public
member
as
chair,
because
you
couldn't
do
that
before
member
of
alicat
is
the
public
member
and
you
all
as
board
members
elected
her
chair
earlier
this
month.
Now
you
said
the
board's
rules.
Forced
you
to
elect
a
chair,
although
they
didn't
force
you
to
elect
a
member
valaket
as
chair,
but
you
did
anyway.
B
Then
after
people
in
the
media
started
questioning
you,
you
decided
remember,
Valley
cat
would
still
only
get
paid
the
old,
lower
honorarium
breaking
the
new
rules
you
just
created.
So
anyway,
it
was
reported.
You
give
the
chair
a
raise
to
account
for
the
jobs
heavy
workload.
So
we
really
are
curious,
though,
that
workload
include
actually
doing
research.
So
the
chair
can
ask
informed
questions
of
public
delegates
or
any
questions
for
that
matter
and
make
informed
decisions.
B
We
asked
because
remember
Valley
cat,
like
all
you
almost
never
asked
questions
of
delegates
who
are
critical
of
the
board
and
the
Ops,
and
because
she
was
the
one
who,
as
part
of
the
board's
HR
committee,
recommended
the
board
hire
hepat
solutions
to
help
recruit
Auto
a
new
police
chief.
Now
we
in
the
harbor
to
raise
concerns
about
conflicts
of
interest
and
effort's
confidence,
but
member
valaket
stood
behind
half
of
the
100
percent.
She
stood
behind
heifer
despite
clear
evidence.
What
happens?
Incompetence
on
the
company's
own
website,
for
example.
B
Here
is
what
heaven's
website
says
about
one
of
effort's:
core
values,
honesty
and
I
am
quoting
word
for
words
quote
honestly,
honesty
is
our
habit.
We
are
completely
honest
and
are
dealings
with
our
clients.
It's
our
our
core
value
and
all
our
employees
and
Consultants
are
completely
honest
and
loyal
to
our
clients.
So
far,
this
has
served
as
well
and
we
are
not
going
back
unquote
this
from
the
same
Heaven
Solutions,
whose
owner
Hector
Addison
was
recently
charged
with
forgery.
B
C
D
So
I'll
begin,
so
it's
it's
been
close
to
a
year
now,
since
our
city
was
overtaken
by
the
so-called
Freedom
Convoy.
During
that
period
you
know,
residents
were
left
to
fend
for
themselves
and
keep
each
other
safe,
while
police
didn't
just
do
nothing,
but
at
times
we're
actively
complicit
in
allowing
far-right
organizers
to
occupy
the
downtown
core
through
powerful
initiatives
like
the
Ottawa
people's
commission.
We
heard
testimony
after
testimony
about
how
residents
felt
like
the
police
had
abandoned
the
people
of
Ottawa.
D
Similarly,
the
P,
the
public
order.
Emergency
commission
also
heard
endless
accounts
of
the
Ottawa
Police
just
deeply
dysfunctional
inner
workings.
But
why,
since
then,
have
we
seen
an
erosion
of
at
least
the
veneer
of
police
accountability
instead
of
what
many
residents
have
been
crying
out
for,
regardless
of
where
they
live?
This
is
not
just
a
ragtag
group
of
activists
calling
for
a
quote:
defunding
of
the
police
or
just
a
couple
of
people
complaining.
D
Every
time
we
come
here
and
evident
on
a
personal
note,
when
the
police
legitimize
a
report
that
singled
me
out
and
called
me,
a
professional
quote,
paid
activist
on
a
national
stage
in
a
derogatory
way
which,
by
the
way,
no
one
here
has
condemned
as
an
unprofessional
or
egregious
in
any
way.
People
who
come
here
to
speak
out
are
not
just
quote:
activists
we're
residents
too.
We
live
in
the
city
and
our
opinions
matter
and
reflect
the
broader
sentiment
of
disillusion
with
the
police.
D
When
I
look
at
the
post,
bylaw
changes
before
you
today.
My
my
first
thought
is
why?
Because
none
of
the
bylaws
proposed
today
do
anything
to
what
you're
apparently
going
to
do
in
a
press
release
from
January
5th,
the
board
said
further
to
the
feedback
received
from
the
community.
The
Ottawa
Police
Services
Board
is
exploring
different
options
to
create
a
fair,
safe
and
accessible
means
to
engage
with
all
citizens
of
Ottawa
in
a
more
meaningful
and
productive
way.
I
don't
see
how
these
bylaws
do
any
of
that
in
regards
to
feedback
from
the
community.
D
I
I.
Don't
think
that
anyone
asked
for
public
delegates
time
to
be
shorter
or
or
for
times
for
delegates
speaking
to
be
at
a
time
when
the
majority
of
people
can't
come
out
and
speak
at
meetings,
noon
to
1
pm
is
not
an
accessible
time
for
people.
It's
very
obvious
with
these
proposed
bylaws.
Make
me
think
is
that
all
of
you
believe
that
public
engagement
is
simply
a
nuisance,
something
to
be
glossed
over
and
rushed
through,
so
we
can
get
through
as
a
meaning
as
quickly
as
possible
that
isn't
what
residents
want.
D
For
example,
the
2020
budget
meeting
there
were
over
a
hundred
people
and
the
stories
we
heard
from
them
were
important
and
necessary
on
that
note.
I
want
to
at
least
assure
at
the
meeting
of
the
police
board,
where
the
budget
is
happening,
that
if
these
bylaws
pass,
that
delegate
limitation
rule
is
lifted
to
hear
as
many
from
as
many
people
as
possible.
D
I
know,
I
can't
direct
questions
at
the
board,
but
I
would
appreciate
an
answer
from
the
chair
on
this,
because
12
people
is
not
enough
to
hear
from
on
on
a
matter
as
important
as
this,
regardless.
If
you
deem
the
remarks
productive
or
not,
the
meeting
agenda
we
have
before
us
today
is
an
exact
example
of
why
these
bylaws
are
problematic.
The
board
is
planning
on
approving
a
mammoth
amount
of
plans
with
little
spots
to
speak
to
them
almost
200
million
dollars
in
public
spending
shouldn't.
D
D
No
other
board
or
city
committee
has
rules
for
speaking
at
meetings
that
are
this
strict
and
as
far
as
I
know,
no
other
Police
Services
Board
in
the
province
has
ruled
separating
public
delegations
from
the
actual
meeting
itself
or
limiting
total
delegate
time
to
one
hour.
Toronto
just
had
their
meetings,
for
example,
it
was,
it
was
hybrid
and
there
was
no
limit
on
speakers
or
time
that
folks
could
speak
yeah.
They
might
raise
the
police
budget
in
Toronto,
but
at
least
they
let
people
speak
to
it
in
closing.
D
I
I
just
like
to
say
that
when
I
come
and
I
speak
at
these
meetings,
I'm
doing
so
in
good
faith
to
push
for
some
accountability
and
for
better
services
for
people
in
this
city
and
I
really
hope
that
you
are
all
here
engaging
in
this
for
the
same
reasons.
But
I
have
my
doubts
if
these
bylaws
pass.
It
is
yet
another
nod
to
the
public
that
you
don't
care
about
what
we
experienced
here
in
the
Convoy
into
the
many
historically
marginalized
communities
across
the
city,
that
you
don't
care
about.
D
E
Thanks
Madam
chair
and
thank
you,
Mr
Hirsch
I
do
appreciate
citizens
coming
forward
and
and
talking
to
the
board,
you
mentioned
the
Ottawa
people's
commission.
Could
you
speak
a
little
more
to
it
and
and
the
work
it's
doing
and
what
recommendations
or
what
viewpoints
are
coming
out
of
that
work?.
D
Thanks
thanks,
that's
a
good,
that's
a
good
question,
I
I,
so
the
the
final
or
first
report
is
coming
on
on
January
30th.
So
there's
no
report
yet
so
I
would
I
would
I
would
recommend
and
encourage
everyone
on
this
board
to
look
at
those
recommendations
when
they
come
out
because
I
think
it
was
it's
an
important
Endeavor
because
it
heard
from
a
lot
of
residents
on
the
matter
during
the
Convoy
and
the
public
order.
D
Emergency
commission
didn't
hear
from
as
many
residents
so
I
think
it's
important
to
look
at
that.
But
you
know
it
was.
It
was
a
totally
resident
run
initiative
to
get
you
know
the
most
feedback
as
as
was
possible.
I
wasn't
directly
involved
with
it,
but
but
you
know
there
were
some
folks
that
I
knew
that
that
were
good
people
who
who
do
a
lot
of
that
work.
D
They
focused
on
particular
sessions,
for
example,
on
on
marginalized
groups
like
The,
lgbtq
plus
Community,
for
example,
and
other,
and
you
know-
journalists,
for
example,
journalists
who
are
really
harassed
by
by
folks
who
are
in
the
Convoy
and
and
and
and
and
and
and
and
almost
every
single
I
mean
I
didn't
watch
every
one,
but
there
were
they
would
release
some
Snippets
of
quotes
and
things
like
that,
and
almost
every
single
meeting
that
was
heard
almost
almost
every
meeting
there
was.
D
It
was
constantly
brought
up
about
the
the
lack
of
action
or
or
the
complicity
that
the
police
had
in
facilitating
the
Convoy
so
and
I
find
it
just
just
on
another
note:
I
I
find
it
extremely
concerning
that
ever
since
then
we,
the
measures
that
have
been
put
forward
with
this
board,
move
towards
you
know
limiting
public
public
engagement
and
public
participation,
so
I
again,
I
would
really
encourage
the
board
to
rethink
what
they're
doing
in
their
bylaws,
because
we
want
more,
not
less
police
accountability.
E
I
think
it
would
be
if
I
could
through
the
chair.
It
would
be
helpful,
maybe
for
the
board
to
actually
listen
to
people's
commission
and
maybe
have
a
presentation
from
from
that
organization.
I.
E
A
F
You
for
allowing
me
a
chance
to
speak
today.
I
won't
be
as
eloquent
as
the
previous
two
speakers,
but
I'm
speaking
today,
because
I'm
quite
concerned
about
the
amount
of
time
given
to
to
delegates
to
speak
and
how
it's
being
shortened
we
are
continuously
seems
to
be
moving
in
a
Direction.
F
An
erosion
of
democracy
and
as
public
services
are
cut
across
the
board
due
to
neoliberal
policies
that
have
been
kind
of
the
norm
with
with
any
government
over
the
past
number
of
decades.
We're
seeing
Social,
Services
Decline
and
my
concern
is
that
if
these
forums
don't
have
longer
times
for
experts
to
really
talk
about
the
issues,
we're
losing
the
capacity
to
see
another
way
of
doing
things
increases
in
police
budgets
at
the
expense
of
Social
Services.
Combating
housing
issues,
homelessness,
poor
wages,
the
erosion
of
Social
Services,
Health,
Care,
Mental
Health.
F
This
is
what
we're
living
through
right
now
and
to
increase
police
budgets
just
seems
to
be
I
mean
it's
been
proven.
It
does
not
make
our
communities
more
safe.
It
makes
the
wealthy
and
the
powerful
more
safe,
because
the
police
is
one
of
the
police's
major
jobs
to
product
property
and,
unfortunately,
the
evidence
has
shown
over
the
past
number
of
decades
globally,
but
especially
North
America
that
the
dispossessed
poor
black
indigenous
people
are
not
served
by
the
police
force.
F
Workers
are
not
served
by
the
police
force
if
we
increase
the
police
budget,
we're
increasing
the
hold
of
the
neoliberal
agenda
and
you
may
think
I'm
I'm
some
sort
of
conspiracy
theorist.
But
it's
not
the
case.
There's
been
a
concerted
effort
to
privatize
Services
we're
seeing
this
right
now
happening
in
Ontario,
privatize
and
erode
public
services,
and
it
does
not.
It
does
not
make
us
a
safer
Society
to
just
increase
the
public,
the
police
services
budget
and
to
and
to
cut
back
on
the
time
people
can
present
alternatives
to
this.
F
It
does
not
do
us
well
whatsoever.
We
are
in
a
very
difficult
time
we're
seeing
the
rise
of
the
far
right
and
I
mean
we
saw
what
happened
in
Ottawa
back
in
February,
with
with
the
Convoy
and
I
I,
really
think
that
increased
policing
is
not
the
answer.
We
have
to
allow
time
for
you
to
see
there's
alternatives,
and
it's
been
proven
that
when
you
increase
Security
in
military
spending
and
paramilitary
paramilitarizing
of
the
police
force,
all
you
get
is
more
oppression.
F
One
of
the
worst
crime
rates
in
North
America,
just
a
terrible,
the
the
poverty
is
extremely
high
and
it
just
it's
with
the
policing.
F
The
police
officers
in
that
Community
don't
even
come
from
the
community,
is
predominantly
black
and
poor
people
when
they
lay
the
murder,
this
murder
capital
of
America
when
they
laid
off
the
entire
police
force
and
rehired
them.
We
hired
local
community
members
to
be
police
officers.
F
It
was
a
complete
change
and
I
really
worry
that
policing
generally,
it's
feeling
under
siege.
It's
it
keeps
asking
for
more
money
because
social
conditions
are
deteriorating
because
of
this
you
know
the
erosion
of
Public
Services
and
it
just
it's.
It's
like
a
vicious
circle.
It's
a
vicious
circle,
more
policing,
more
violence,
more
discontent
in
the
population
the
population
lose
you
know,
especially
with
inflation
right
now.
We
can
see
workers
really
really
suffering.
F
Okay,
that
Homeless
issues
is
just
insane
and
people
who
are
on
the
verge
of
losing
their
rental
accommodation
could
be
very
well
homeless.
Policing
is
not
the
answer.
We
have
to
invest
in
communities.
We
have
to
put
money
back
into
the
communities,
caring
society.
That
is
how
we're
going
to
have
a
safe,
World,
a
safe
Society,
not.
C
F
Okay,
I
just
I,
just
read
some
stuff:
I
listen
to
some
stuff,
but
if
you
want
to
get
real
experts
like
the
two
previous
people
on
here,
five
minutes
is
not
enough
time.
I
really
believe
that
this
is
a
very
short-sighted
and
ultimately
undemocratic
decision
has
been
made
to
shorten
the
time
given
to
delegates.
A
A
Our
next
speaker
is
Andrea
Chandler
Andrea.
If
you
would
like
to
come
forward.
H
H
Always
interesting,
my
name
is
Andrea.
Chandler
I
have
lived
in
Ottawa
for
30
years,
I
work,
full-time
I,
have
a
family
with
two
grown
sons
and
I'm
speaking
only
for
myself
as
a
resident
and
a
citizen
I'm
concerned
about
the
proposed
motion
to
amend
the
bylaws
to
include
public
delegations
and
meetings
at
the
Ottawa
Police
board.
I'll
be
succinct.
I
have
three
concerns.
In
particular,
first
timing:
the
roulette
commission
held
extensive
hearings.
This
past
fall
as
the
public
order
emergency
commission.
H
Its
mandate
was
to
examine
the
use
of
the
Federal
Emergency
Zach
in
2022.
In
response
to
the
Convoy
occupation
of
our
city.
There
was
shocking
oral
testimony
and
written
documents
about
the
breakdown
of
public
order
in
the
city
and
the
impact
on
the
citizens
of
residents.
I
should
say
of
Ottawa,
because
non-citizens
of
Canada
may
also
be
residents.
H
The
subjects
covered
in
the
hearings
have
been
the
have
included
the
responses
of
Ottawa
Police,
so
I'm
wondering
why
would
one
seek
to
amend
the
rules
of
public
delegations
before
judge
Rulo
has
issued
his
report
of
findings?
H
There
are
potential
lessons
to
be
learned
here
about
the
relationship
between
the
people
who
live
here
and
the
police,
in
my
opinion,
to
even
propose
to
change
the
Amendments
prematurely
is
disrespectful
to
all
people
who
participated
in
the
commission
and
disrespectful
to
the
rule
of
law
in
this
country
on
December
15
2022,
mayor
Sutcliffe
was
quoted
as
saying
to
TTV
news
that
he
was
confident
the
police
would
be
able
to
rebuild
trust
in
the
public.
How
will
trust
be
restored
if
the
Police
Services
Board
limits
the
ability
of
Ottawa
residents
to
be
heard?
H
Second,
I
have
concerns
about
the
way
that
these
Amendments
have
been
presented
to
the
public.
The
rationale
as
I
understand
it
is
that
they
respond
to
public
concerns,
including
the
difficulty
some
residents
have
in
attending
meetings
in
person,
the
time-consuming
nature
of
listening
to
public
delegations
and
passed
incidents
of
alleged
disruption
at
meetings.
These
concerns
seem
cherry-picked.
I
do
not
believe
they
provide
a
complete
picture
of
citizens.
H
Concerns
I
know
that
concerns
raised
by
citizens
to
the
police
board
have
included
frustration
with
unanswered
questions,
concerns
about
racial
equity
and
whether
the
police
are
adequately
serving
unhoused
people.
Why
are
these
concerns
not
mentioned
in
the
memo?
Finally,
I
have
concerns
about
the
Amendments
themselves
regarding
the
separation
of
public
delegations
from
the
regular
meeting
for
people
who
are
required
to
go
to
the
regular
meeting
later
in
the
afternoon.
H
What
incentive
do
they
have
to
spend
their
lunch
hour
listening
to
public
delegations,
it
seems
to
be
sending
the
message
that
they
don't
have
to
listen
to
the
public,
because
it's
not
part
of
the
regular
meeting.
Furthermore,
the
session
for
the
public
delegations
would
require
a
quorum
of
members
to
go
forward.
So
if
there's
no
Quorum
on
a
given
day,
what
happens
to
the
public
delegations?
Are
they
just
canceled
and
the
members
of
the
public
who
planned
their
day
in
order
to
make
a
presentation
at
their
lunch
hour?
Are
they
just
going
to
be
told?
H
Sorry,
you
don't
get
to
be
heard,
even
though
a
full
meeting
happens
later
in
the
day,
with
a
full
Quorum
and
what
happens
if
there's
never
a
quorum
for
public
delegations,
then
public
delegations
never
get
to
be
heard.
I'm
also
concerned
about
the
gatekeeping
of
public
delegation.
I
was
asked
to
submit
a
summary
of
what
I
intended
to
say
today,
which
I
declined
to
do
I'm,
not
sure
what
purpose
this
summary
would
serve.
What
criteria
would
be
used
in
order
to
determine
whether
my
summary
is
worthy
of
presentation?
H
What
happens
to
my
summary
after
I
submit
it?
Where
is
it
filed?
Who
has
access
to
it?
I
think
answers
to
these
kinds
of
questions
would
be
appreciated,
and
on
that
note,
why
are
you
proposing
a
rule
that
gives
priority
to
people
who
haven't
spoken
for
three
months?
Why
are
you
anticipating
a
problem
of
a
so-called
Rush
of
the
public
to
present
to
the
board
before
one
exists,
and
why
three
months,
why
not
six
months,
for
example,
is
it
because
an
opinion
has
been
formed
of
certain
individuals
who
have
spoken
in
the
last
three
months?
H
I
certainly
hope
that
is
not
the
case,
because
democracy
means
that
sometimes
you
have
to
listen
to
things
that
you
don't
want
to
hear
and
sometimes
over
and
over
one
final
point:
I'm
I'm,
I'm
I'm,
really
not
that
interested
in
addressing
these
comments
to
the
police
board
as
I.
Don't
have
much
confidence
that
the
board
is
listening
for.
Those
of
you
who
are
listening
to
who
are
residents
of
Ottawa
I'm,
one
of
you
and
I
just
wanted
you
to
know
that
I
care
about
these
issues
and
that
you
deserve
to
be
heard.
Thank
you.
A
A
I
J
Hello,
oh
hi,
sorry
I'm,
not
good
at
Tech
stuff.
Do
you
want
to
see
my
face
hello,
I'm
sitting
up?
Thank
you
for
making
hybrid
because,
like
I,
get
to
sit
here
and
smoke
cigarettes
and
be
stressed
out.
Okay,
anyway,
I'll
be
good.
This
time
too,
I
won't
be
disrespectful
and
I'll.
Try
not
to
swear
I'm.
Sorry,
I'm
kind
of
like
a
I'm,
a
poor
person.
I
swear
a
lot.
I,
don't
know
anyway.
Sorry
I'm
gonna
get
on
this
I'm
talking
about
tasers.
J
So
basically
I
spoke
to
the
last
year
in
or
sorry
in
2022
in
January,
Ops
purchased,
400,
tasers
400.,
and
now
you
want
to
buy
roughly
300
again,
and
the
thing
is
what
I'm
I
don't
know
how
to
like
apply
like
a
hang
on.
Let
me
just
collect
my
concert.
Okay
before
you
bought
the
400
tasers,
we
were
talking
about
the
budget
that
I
specifically
spent
months
coming
here
coming
to
these
boards.
Talking
to
you
guys
about
tasers
I
know
it's
a
new
board
and
stuff
like
that.
J
Like
I
know,
it
was
like
Dean's
board
before
and
then
it
was
you
guys.
But
what
happened
is
they
wanted
200
tasers
originally,
and
then
we
made
a
compromise
where
they're
like
we
will
defer
the
taser
purchase
of
200
tasers
and
we'll
bring
it
back
in
January.
The
compromise
was
you'd,
get
the
cartridges
like
the
ammo
for
the
taser,
and
you
would
bring
it
back
in
January
to
discuss
the
purchase
of
200
more
tasers.
J
You
brought
it
back
for
400
days,
or
so
you
doubled
it,
so
the
deferral
was
not
actually
followed
through
on.
It
was
a
new
ask
and
then,
within
one
year,
you're
already
buying
300
more
and
the
problem
with
the
taser
specifically
is
everything
on
a
police
officer's
belt
is
a
weapon.
You
have
a
baton
for
administrating
blunt
force
trauma.
When
people
don't
comply,
you
have
an
aerosol
can
of
spicy
air
that
you're
allowed
to
legally
blind
us
with.
You
have
cuffs
to
restrict
our
movement
and
anytime
I've
talked
to
a
person.
J
Anybody
who's
been
caught,
the
cops
get
angry
and
they
like
they
twist
it
and
they
they
put
it
too
tight.
You
have
all
these
stories
of
people
like
getting
the
wrist
fractured
from
it.
So,
like
you
have
a
gun
like
I,
don't
understand
why
you
need
the
taser
of
all
things,
which
is
a
hideously,
expensive
weapon.
It's
not
very
good!
It
misfires
on
average
five
times
before
it
actually
hits
a
Target
third
thing:
you're
not
supposed
to
use
electricity
on
people
whose
hearts
are
beating.
J
This
is
just
standard
CPR
and
first
aid,
like
you,
don't
want
to
use
electricity
on
someone's
heart
when
it's
pumping,
it's
that's
what
an
AED
is
for
us
to
shock
the
heart
back
into
pumping.
So
why
would
you
use
this
on?
Why
would
that
even
be
on
your
belt
when
you
have
pepper
spray,
a
baton,
a
gun,
clubs,
some
cops,
wear
unofficial
padded
gloves
that
they
beat
people
to
death
with
that's,
not
cool
like
it's,
just
like
everything
in
the
and
like
just
the
price
tag.
So
it's
like
over
two
million
dollars
for
400
tasers.
J
That
was
supposed
to
be
too
hot,
200
tasers
and
now
you
want
to
spend
another
million
dollars
on
300
tasers.
When,
literally
our
train
is
exploding,
people
can't
get
to
work
safely.
We
can't
walk
in
like
I'm,
not
sure
if
you've
lived
in
the
city,
we're
all
neighbors,
we
all
live
in
the
same
city.
Every
time
you
take
money
to
put
into
these
weapons
and
taser.
Sorry
second
thought
the
taser
is
made
of
plastic.
It
has
batteries
that
can't
be
good
for
the
environment.
It's
a
bad
Weapon
It's
a
it,
doesn't
work
very
well.
J
It
stops
after
three
months
it
starts
breaking
and
it
has
a
five
year
shelf
life.
So
it's
like.
Why
is
every
cop
going
to
every
call
with
an
arsenal
of
weapons
and
not
a
first
aid
kit
you're
only
going
to
use
weapons
when
you're
in
a
situation?
If
all
you
have
is
weapons,
so
maybe,
instead
of
you
and
like
that's
the
weapon
that
they
probably
least
you
like
you're
gonna
use
your
hands.
You're
gonna
use
your
gun
like
that's
like
there's.
J
No,
like
you,
don't
need
a
long
wait,
rage
long-range
weapon
that
doesn't
work
very
well
and
his
Kitty
is
expensive,
bad
for
the
environment,
bad
for
the
person
like
there's
nothing,
holistic,
I,
don't
think
holistic
is
the
right
word
to
use
in
policing,
but
you
kind
of
get
my
drift
right
like.
Why
would
you
spend
all
this
money
and
take
all
this
money
out
of
our
city
that
is
literally
crumbling
to
bits
like
people
can't
use
the
sidewalks?
J
There's
people
in
Mobility,
chairs
and
Walkers
that
they
can't
they
have
to
go
on
the
road
you
have
these
like
dry
people
driving
in
the
city
are
just
nuts
like
they're,
just
like
oh
I'm
gonna
run
over
a
bicyclist
like
that's
fine
like
it's
like
what
please
of
all
the
things
that
are
kind
of
problematic
with
policing?
This
is
the
least
that
you
could
give
back.
J
You
know
if
you
want
to
restore
peace
and
like
trust
with
us,
because
if
you
guys
all
have
the
context
of
why
I
attend
like
I'm,
not
trying
to
be
a
jerk
to
you
guys,
but
you
understand
my
frustrations
like
where
is
the
Justice?
But
please
don't
taser
me
when
I
can't
afford
groceries
like
this
is
like
this
is
just
not
helpful.
J
It's
expensive,
like
I,
don't
I,
know
I
know
you
guys
are
just
gonna
buy
them
anyway,
but
it's
just
like
I
have
to
try
and
appeal
to
your
humanity
and
say:
perhaps
you
do
not
buy
the
tasers
this
time,
especially
after
lying
about
the
deferral,
because,
like
that's,
not
a
deferral
that
that
was
a
new
ask.
J
So
it's
like
you're
already
200
tasers
ahead
plus
you
want
to
buy
300
more
and
there's
only
what
1800
beat
cops
like,
there's
only
1800,
roughly
cops
that
will
walk
around
with
this
arsenal
of
weapons
and
then
you're
sending
them
to
people
who
are
hungry
cold
people
who
haven't
had
shelter
in
who
knows
how
long
and
you're
like
oh
they're,
not
complying
just
like
why?
Why
so.
A
No,
you
were
fine.
Thank
you,
I'm,
going
to
ask
my
board
members
if
they
have
any
questions
or
comments
for
you,
yeah.
A
J
A
We
can
hear
you
loud
and
clear:
you
can
begin
your
delegation,
you
have
five
minutes,
Alizee.
K
A
K
He
well,
firstly,
let
me
just
say
quickly
as
possible
off
the
bat
that
in
at
the
Edmonton
police
commission,
they
have
a
process
where
you
can
ask
a
question
in
two
minutes
and
then
receive
a
two
minutes
reply.
So
that's
something
that
should
certainly
be
incorporated
in
Ottawa.
K
At
the
last
board
meeting,
the
chief
had
asked
some
questions
regarding
the
difference
between
the
reports
provided
to
the
board
and
what
what
one
is
proposing,
and
so
some
documentation
was
sent
in
response
to
highlight
those
differences
to
the
Chief
and
to
the
board
within
that
documentation.
There
are
three
requests
and
one
of
the
concerns-
and
you
know
I
highlighted
I-
wanted
to
speak
to
the
hiring
of
the
the
deputy
Chiefs.
K
So
at
the
time
that
we
hired,
the
current
chief
I've
suggested
that
one
of
the
interview
criteria
would
have
been
their.
You
know
demonstrated
support
or
lack
of
support,
for
you
know:
complaints,
transparency,
Bill
of
Rights
bylaws,
so
to
speak
fast
forward.
We
find
out
that
the
Ontario
government
has
passed
section,
165
167
of
the
Ontario
comprehensive
policing,
Act,
and
that
requires
transparency
and
then
under
the
police
services
act,
26.1,
31
41.95,
both
the
board
and
the
chief
have
power
to
implement
what
the
Ontario
government
has
already
passed.
K
So
I
guess
the
question
would
be
that
and
I
know
that
councilor
Corey
also
asked
for
some
best
practices,
and
some
of
that
has
been
sent.
Some
is
still
in
process,
but
but
essentially
you
know,
the
question
would
be
to
the
to
the
Chief
and
the
chair
is.
How
soon
can
we
have
a
vote
on
whether
part
of
the
interview
Criterion
for
hiring
the
new
police
Chiefs
would
be
a
deputy
Chiefs
would
be
their
demonstrable
supports
for
current.
You
know
yet
to
be
proclaimed.
K
K
A
L
Yeah
first
I
want
to
say
thanks
a
lot:
Addie
I
love
that
you
send
us
all.
This
information
that
I,
read
and
I
think
you
may
have
been
the
only
person
who
submitted
your
what
you
were
going
to
talk
about
ahead
of
time,
which
I
so
appreciated,
because
then
I
could
go
through
it
carefully
and
think
about
what
I
would
want
to
ask
you
so
number
one.
Thank
you
very
much.
Second
of
all
what
you've
talked
about
is
a
question
opportunity
and
at
the
Ottawa
Carlton
District
School
Board.
L
We
used
to
have
two
things
we
used
to
have
delegations
and
we
had
the
opportunity
for
a
public
question,
and
sometimes
you
know,
you'd
have
the
director
or
the
chair
couldn't
answer
the
question
right
away,
but
there
was
a
follow-up
for
that
answer
later
on,
but
I
I
liked
that
opportunity.
I
also
thought
that
that
then
stopped
people
from
having
delegations
and
that's
why
the
Ottawa
Carlton
District
School
Board
delegations
are
for
20
minutes
and
people
submitted
ahead
of
time,
but
I'm
wondering
when
you're
at
so
I
saw
what
you
asked
in
your
email.
L
You
had
three
questions
and
you
said
that
you
had
a
counselor
I,
think
that
was
working
with
you
I'm
just
wondering
if
you
can
share
with
us
what
your
thinking
is
about
resolving
this,
that
you
can't
necessarily
get
an
answer
here
and
you
may
have
emotion
coming
and
I'd,
rather
that
the
motion
help
you
get
where
you
want
to
get
to
so
I.
Guess
if
you
could
talk
about
both
things.
What
you're
talking
about
in
terms
of
a
future
motion
and
trying
to
get
an
answer
to
this
question.
K
Well,
in
terms
of
a
future
motion,
I
I
could
draft
something
because
previously
what
I
had
drafted
was
for
Council
and
Council
lulov
had
said
he'd
be
willing
to
second
it
if
another
counselor
introduces
it,
but
so
so
certainly
there's
that.
But
if
it
was
a
motion
before
the
Police
Services
Board
I
have
to
look
at
what
I
submitted
to
see
if
there
was
need
to
make
any
changes,
but
certainly
emotion
would
be
the
sort
of
Next,
Step
and
I
forgot.
The
second
part
of
your
question.
K
Well,
I
think
that
both
are
important
and
it
certainly
I
think
would
take
a
lot
of
frustration.
K
K
K
So,
but
so,
for
example,
request
two
to
me
seems
a
no-brainer,
but
we
don't
know
the
Bots
position
and
on
request
one
I
think
the
Ontario
government
had
only
talked
about
investigations
that
have
been
completed
but
not
substantiated,
so
that
might
be
about
40
of
the
complaints.
K
So
even
on
that
we
don't
know
what
the
buds
position
is.
So
imagine
if
we
could
ask
that
question
and
then
get
an
instant
answer,
then
it
would
take
away.
You
know
a
lot
of
the
air
out
of
because
the
board
has
a
right
and
a
duty
to
make
decisions,
but
then
they
should
communicate
those
decisions
and
say
this
is
our
decision
and
by
the
way,
when
the
board
makes
a
decision.
K
If
the
same
question
comes
up,
if
the
decision
has
a
number,
the
board
can
say
as
referenced
in
decision
one
to
four,
we
had
communicated
this
response
and
then
on
the
last
request,
free
which
I
hadn't
mentioned.
But
there
are
pilots
in
Toronto
today
you
know:
there's
an
11
million
dollar
pilot
on
re-task,
the
police
and
I
had
actually
said
the
task,
but
the
word
retask
actually
came
from
a
cancel
and
I.
Think
messaging
is
important.
K
So,
but
in
the
newspaper
report
it
said
that
that
was
the
largest
pilot
in
in
the
country,
so
I'm
wondering
why
Ottawa
shouldn't
have
the
largest
pilot,
even
if
he
went
at
a
12
million
just
so
we
have
the
bragging
rights
of
saying
we
have
the
largest
pilot
for
retest
and
Toronto
city
council
they've
been
very
Progressive
on
this
they've,
actually
tasked
the
city
manager,
Legal
Services,
the
auditor
general,
the
Ombudsman
and
the
police
board,
and
the
police
chief
to
look
at
all
the
911
calls
and
see
what
could
be
re-taxed.
K
A
No.
Thank
you
very
much
Eddie
for
your
your
delegation
and
we
appreciate
it
and
it
looks
like
we'll
have
some
discussions
about
it.
So
thank
you
very
much.
Oh
I'm.
Sorry,
Chief
Stubbs
has
a
question
for
you.
Go
ahead
chief.
M
Hello
Eddie
it
not
so
much
a
question
as
a
comment:
I
guess
in
terms
of
some
of
the
requests
and
some
of
the
information
that
you've
sent.
I
do
have
intention
of
of
writing
you
a
letter
and
responding
to
even
a
large
amount
of
information
that
you
sent
to
me,
but
I
do
I.
Do
just
want
to
comment
on
two
things.
Obviously,
the
future
legislation
that
the
cspa
May
propose,
certainly
in
regards
to
the
length
of
time
to
complete
a
public
investigation.
M
We
want
to
obviously
abide
by
those
regulations
and
work
hard
to
do
so.
We
do
invest
a
lot
of
money
into
our
Professional
Standards
unit
that
led
by
inspectoral,
Tool
and
capacity
is
sometimes
an
issue,
and
sometimes
those
investigations
get
more
complicated
than
we
envision,
but
it
would
be
our
goal
to
do
so.
In
regards
to
your
last
comment
on
your
words:
detassing
the
police
not
defund
in
regards
to
responding
to
incidents
involved
in
mental
health
addiction,
homelessness.
M
That
is
something
actually
I'm
going
to
speak
about
it
briefly
in
in
my
chief
oral
report
here
in
a
few
minutes,
but
that
is
something
certainly
that
I
know
I.
Think,
mayor
and
Council
are
in
favor
of
or
at
least
are
thinking
about,
creating
something
similar
to
what
you're
describing,
and
it's
certainly
something
that
I
and
the
Ops
fully
support
in
terms
of
allowing
those
that
are
better
trained
and
experienced
dealing
with
people
in
Mental
Health
crisis,
Etc
that
they
can
be
the
First
Responders.
K
K
Just
some
quick
things
and
there's
a
there's,
a
report.
There's
a
lot
of
good
things
happening
out
there,
the
City
of
Burlington.
They
did
a
whole
consultant
study
on
all
re-task
BC,
we're
looking
at
removing
investigation.
This
issue
of
police
investigating
the
police
they're,
taking
that
to
all
investigations,
to
civilian
Authority
and
within
the
power
of
the
chief
in
terms
of
independent
office,
to
investigate
internal
complaints.
K
The
chief
has
power
to
delegate
investigations
of
public
complaints
as
well
to
investigators
that
are
not
police
officers
so
and
then
Alberta
they've
got
a
situation
where
their
law
enforcement
review,
but
they've
taken
a
different
task
where
all
appeals
decisions
were
published
on
Canley
and
they
actually,
to
my
surprise,
actually
include
names,
and
these
are
appeal
decisions
of
where
a
complaint,
even
for
complaints
that
are
dismissed
without
an
investigation,
all
appeal
decisions,
so
they've
made
them
all
all
public.
K
There's
a
lot
going
on
out
there
and
your
comments
indicate
to
me
that
you're
interested
in
in
improving
the
process
and
so
I
certainly
look
forward
to
welcome
you,
I'm
sorry
to
working
with
you
and
I'm
happy
that
you're
hired.
A
A
O
To
thank
previous
delegates
I
know
that
at
today's
meeting
you
know
we
can't
hear
Applause
for
people,
but
I
assure
you
that
it's
been
loud
so
normally
I
come
to
these
meetings
a
bit
more
prepared,
but
but
today
feels
a
bit
harder
to
keep
things
organized
as
you've
packed
this
agenda
with
multiple
items
that
will
have
long-term
impacts
on
transparency,
accountability
and
safety
in
Ottawa.
O
I
have
now
spoken
to
various
Renditions
of
this
board
over
the
course
of
three
years,
which
is
just
one
of
the
many
things
you're
threatening
to
put
a
stop
to
with
these
proposed
bylaw
changes.
I!
Guess!
If
things
go
your
way
today,
you
probably
won't
hear
from
me
and
some
others
for
quite
a
while
and
I'm
sure
that
will
make
all
your
jobs
a
little
bit
easier
to
the
new
mayor
and
counselors
around
the
table.
How
are
you
feeling
about
these
proposed
changes?
Let's
recap
them
a
bit.
O
O
You
want
that
meeting
to
take
place
between
noon
and
one
another
obvious
deterrent
you're,
going
to
give
priority
to
new
delegates,
punishing
those
of
us
who
show
up
month
after
month
to
hold
this
board
and
the
police
force
accountable,
because
who
else
is
doing
that
and
you're
putting
in
writing
again.
The
delegates
are
not
allowed
to
ask
questions
of
this
board
directing
us
on
on
what
we
cannot
can
and
cannot
say
at
these
meetings.
We
should
absolutely
be
able
to
ask
questions
of
this
board.
O
Of
course,
answering
them
is,
is
up
to
you
and
I
think
that
many
of
us
are
used
to
you
not
having
answers,
although
you
did
just
demonstrate
your
ability
to
dialogue
with
the
previous
delegate,
so
that
was
great
to
see
so
again
to
the
new
mayor
and
counselors.
Are
you
all
feeling
good
about
this?
O
There's
a
lot
of
Big
Talk
these
days
about
transparency
and
accountability
at
City,
Hall
and
doing
things
differently,
but,
but
that's
just
for
LRT.
Then
not
for
cops
not
for
this
board
a
board
that
is
about
to
start
discussions
on
a
police
force
budget
that
will
surpass
400
million
dollars,
if
approved
a
board
that
wants
to
build
a
new
Cobb
shop,
that's
going
to
cost
at
least
178
million
dollars
and
a
board
that
approves
the
purchase
of
new
weapons,
new
special
constables,
new
hires
without
a
second
thought.
O
This
is
where
the
transparency
and
accountability
ends
for
you.
The
time
and
energy
that
has
gone
into
these
bylaw
changes
is
wild.
To
be
honest,
imagine
if
you
all
put
the
same
energy
into
scrutinizing
the
words
and
actions
of
Ops
instead
of
the
residents
who
show
up
here
concerned
about
safety
and
well-being
in
our
neighborhoods.
You
don't
like
the
way
we
show
up.
You
don't
like
how
we
change
our
tone
and
our
strategies
after
being
ignored.
Meeting
after
meeting
all
of
you
who
are
new
to
the
board,
have
you
done
your
homework?
Have?
O
You
listened
to
previous
meetings.
Have.
You
listened
to
the
hours
and
hours
and
hours
of
delegations
from
residents
who
have
been
asking
for
change
for
years
now,
asking
for
better
than
this.
The
last
time
I
spoke
to
this
board.
I
asked
you
to
resume
virtual
participation
in
these
meetings.
The
purpose
of
that
was
to
improve
accessibility,
and
these
proposed
changes
to
the
bylaws
prove
that
you
don't
care
about.
Any
of
that.
O
You
literally
have
experts
from
across
the
city
showing
up
and
giving
you
advice
on
a
monthly
basis
for
free
and
you're
choosing
to
eliminate
that
and
I'm
not
talking
about
people
with
degrees,
I'm
talking
about
people
with
lived
experience
who
take
the
time
and
energy
to
come
here
and
speak
to
you
about
what
is
happening
in
their
lives
in
their
communities
and
what
they
need
to
actually
be
safe
and
well.
How
dare
you
penalize
them
for
taking
up
space
at
these
meetings?
O
The
Police
Services
Board
cannot
do
its
job
without
knowing
the
needs,
concerns
and
priorities
of
the
community.
It
gathers
that
kind
of
input
through
several
mechanisms,
one
of
which
is
through
hearing
delegations
at
board
meetings.
I
didn't
write
that
that's
on
your
website
directly
from
your
own
website,
so
leave
things
the
way
they
are
don't
stop
residents
from
coming
here
and
holding
you
accountable.
That's
what
you
signed
up
for
when
you
took
on
this
role,
and
if
you
don't
like
it,
then
maybe
you
should
be
the
one
screened
out
of
future
meetings.
Thank
you.
C
L
A
G
So
you
want
to
dismiss
silence
and
limit
participation
for
these
voices
and
perspectives
so
that
this
board,
with
many
members
who
are
brand
new
to
council
and
these
discussions
to
Center
their
own
perspectives
on
topics
that
are
often
life
or
death
for
some
people.
No,
not
when
just
today,
a
member
of
this
board
demanded
a
public
apology
for
an
act
of
Civil
Disobedience
at
a
previous
board
meeting
from
a
black
man
who
has
been
consistently
advocating
for
his
community
at
this
board.
G
So
mayor
Sutcliffe,
while
you
put
your
social
media
messages
out,
as
you
observed,
Martin
Luther
King
day,
and
when
you
have
your
colleague
and
peer
on
this
board,
demanding
an
apology
for
civil
disobedience.
What
does
that
say
about
you?
What
does
that
say
about
the
type
well
who
are
on
this
board?
Who
want
to
silence
other
perspectives
or
peop
police?
How
people
choose
these
choose
to
share
these
perspectives?
G
Member
Curry
owes
Robin
Brown
and
the
community
an
apology
and
should
take
a
break
from
the
sport
until
she
has
done
the
work
of
understanding,
how
power
imbalances
function
and
what
anti-black
racism
looks
like
in
an
Institutional
setting.
There
are
plenty
of
resources
out
there
for
you
to
consult.
Lastly,
when
I
signed
up,
I
also
expressed
that
I
wanted
to
speak
to
item
8.4
today,
which
is
about
the
refresh
strategy
that
includes
the
creation
of
a
new
178
Million
Dollar
South
End
facility
for
the
Ops.
G
Already
there
has
been
11
million
dollars
that
went
into
planning
this
building
without
any
actual
evidence
as
to
how
building
it
is
going
to
meaningfully
address
the
safety
priorities
outlined
in
the
community
safety
and
well-being
plan.
Yet
the
integration
of
the
cswb
plan
is
used
by
Ops
as
an
anchor
to
justify
building
this
new
facility.
G
I'll
bring
this
discussion
back
to
the
bylaw
item
because
it
was
only
after
delegates,
myself
being
one
spoke
at
the
June
meeting
of
2022
about
the
baseless
claims
made
about
what
this
facility
is
going
to
offer
that
a
former
board
member
Jeff
Lieber
asked
that
the
Ops
about
how
they
would
be
able
to
support
on
the
cswb
priorities.
They
had
no
response,
but
are
back
today
trying
to
push
this
multi-million
dollar
strategy
forward.
G
This
is
all
happening
at
the
same
time
as
our
mayor
is
looking
to
find
efficiencies
and
social
supports,
are
being
cut
and
locking
I.
Ask
you
to
reject
this
bylaw
Amendment
and
reject
the
stale
refresh
strategy
and
create
more
space
for
public
engagement,
so
that
we
can
actually
begin
imagining
and
creating
alternative
responses
to
violence
and
safety
needs
in
our
community
I'm
also
going
to
make
a
brief
correction
and
detasking
is
part
of
the
movement
to
defund
and
eventually
abolish
police.
G
The
cause
to
these
tasks
are
to
create
actual
capacity
to
build
Alternatives,
and
we've
been
talking
about
that
for
the
two
three
years
that
we've
been
coming
to
this
board.
The
only
reason
this
city
is
even
doing
an
alternative
mental
health
response
right
now
is
because
of
the
hundreds
of
delegates
who've
asked
for
it,
none
of
which
are
being
involved
in
the
process
to
inform
the
alternative
strategy
that
the
city
is
taking
on.
Thank
you.
P
Ahead,
perfect,
nothing
I'm,
gonna,
say
in
the
next
couple.
Minutes
is
original
because
everybody
who's
spoken
so
far
has
pointed
out
the
same
thing,
but
the
changes
to
the
bylaw
that
are
being
proposed
are
step
in
the
wrong
direction
and,
as
delegates
come
to
speak,
you
sit
here
nodding
along
as
if
you're,
not
the
ones
that
came
up
with
these
changes
as
if
this
is
the
first
time
that
you're
hearing
that
curbing
public
engagement
is
not
what
anybody
has
asked
for.
P
When
people
come
here
and
speak
out
against
the
budget,
you
get
to
hide
behind
the
reality
that
it's,
the
police,
that
sets
the
draft
budget
and
that
it's
city
council,
that
votes
on
the
final
City's
budget.
But
how
are
you
going
to
justify
these
changes?
How
do
you
justify
even
suggesting
these
changes
when
in
the
same
settings
you
talk
about
building
trust
and
working
towards
accountability?
P
P
Having
people
speak
from
12
to
1
is
inaccessible,
and
it
highlights
the
extent
to
which
hearing
from
the
public
is
simply
not
a
priority
for
this
board.
Listening
to
the
public
is
not
optional.
You
gain
access
to
so
much
knowledge
through
public
delegations.
People
come
to
these
meetings
and
share
with
you
their
lived
experience.
They
break
down
the
city's
budget
for
you,
they
unpack
the
history
of
policing,
they
educate
you
on
colonialism,
systemic
racism
and
state
violence.
P
You
should
be
using
this
information
to
make
decisions
that
are
aligned
with
Community
well-being,
not
going
out
of
your
way
to
block
out
the
voices
of
anyone
who
disagrees
with
you
under
the
new
bylaws.
There
would
be
one
hour
for
delegations
with
five
minutes
for
12
speakers.
If
more
than
12
people
register
the
time
allotted
for
delegations
drops
down
to
three
minutes.
It
does
say
that
it's
possible
that
the
board
could
allot
more
time
to
a
delegation
at
their
own
discretion,
but
who
would
that
be
used
for?
Is
that
for
Bia
Representatives?
P
Only
you
almost
never
have
questions
for
delegates.
You
don't
engage
with
what
we're
saying.
So
it's
hard
to
believe
that
you
would
actually
extend
the
amount
of
time
that
we're
allowed
to
speak,
for
you
also
mentioned
wanting
to
prioritize
people
who
speak
to
agenda
items,
but
the
agenda
is
set
according
to
police
priorities,
not
Community
priorities.
People
bring
up
very
important
and
necessary
information
outside
of
the
agenda.
P
They
talk
about
the
harms
of
policing,
the
failures
of
police
reform,
the
alternatives
to
policing
that
currently
exist
or
could
exist
if
we
were
allowed
to
make
space
to
imagine
doing
things
differently
and
those
are
important
conversations
that
need
to
be
had
and
that
shouldn't
be
restricted,
because
we
know
it
will
never
be
made
into
agenda
items
without
public
delegations.
You
take
the
police's
word
at
face
value,
they
Rebrand
brutality
and
surveillance
and
they
call
it
community
policing
and
you
fall
for
it.
You
don't
question
what
they
say.
P
You
don't
push
rock
you
don't
argue
without
public
delegations,
you
let
the
police
control,
the
resources
and
the
narratives
around
gaining
access
to
those
resources.
If
absolutely
nothing
else.
Public
delegations
are
an
Avenue
through
which
individuals
are
able
to
speak
to
concerns
that
they
have
about
police.
In
a
public
setting
and
be
heard
not
by
this
board
but
by
other
people
who
listen
to
these
meetings,
we
deserve
continued
access
to
this
space.
Thank
you.
Q
Hi
yeah,
so
I,
don't
really
have
anything
prepared,
but
I
did
want
to
make
just
kind
of
start
off
by
saying
that
I
have
been
trying
to
get
a
hold
of
Mark
for
probably
about
three
weeks.
Maybe
a
month
and
I've
called
almost
every
day.
Q
And
it
frustrates
me
that
when
I
try
to
talk
to
the
mayor
or
anybody
of
importance,
I'm,
just
tossed
aside
like
a
nobody,
I,
don't
understand
why
somebody
who
has
so
I've
lived
in
the
city
for
over
40
years,
almost
the
same
amount
of
time
as
Mark
I,
don't
understand
why
I
get
thrown
away
when
I
have
so
much
lived.
Experience
I've
been
homeless,
I
lived
at
Chefs
for
about
a
year.
Q
If
the
budget
that
is
being
proposed
goes
through,
because
the
organizations
that
depend
on
funding
is
just
not
going
to
have
it,
they
don't
have
it
now,
but
they're
definitely
not
going
to
have
it
in
the
future,
and
when
you
limit
the
ability
for
people
to
speak
as
these
bylaws
that
you've
proposed
are
potentially
going
to
go
ahead,
then
you're
not
hearing
from
people
like
me
or
or
as
many
people
as
could
be
available,
and
that's
something
that
I
just
don't
understand,
and
obviously
people
try
to
reach
you
in
other
ways.
Q
Q
I
mean
I,
shouldn't
have
to
call
every
single
day
asking
can
I,
please
talk
to
the
mayor
and
be
ignored.
So
I
just
wanted
to
talk
to
you
about
these
issues
really,
but
for
weeks
I've
been
trying.
Oh
well,
we'll
put
you
we'll
we'll
try
we'll
we'll
just
we'll
see
what
can
we
we
can
do
really.
I,
don't
think
so
it's
because
you
deem
me
unimportant.
You
deem
me
somebody
who
has
absolutely
no
value
to
the
city
as
unimportant
and
that's
wrong.
Q
Q
My
lived
experience
matters
and
when
I
watch
some
of
you
sitting
there
scrolling
on
your
phones,
like
I,
know
you're
doing
eating
if
you're
gonna
eat
fine
but
turn
off
your
camera.
You
talk
to
us
about.
You
know
our
unparliamentary
Behavior
I
think
that's
rude,
because
it
shows
it
to
me
that
you're
not
paying
attention
I
get
it.
These
meetings
are
long.
You've
been
in
meetings
all
day,
but
at
least
turn
off
your
camera.
Q
When
you're
eating
you
know,
you
tell
us
that
we're
rude
well,
that's
rude
to
be
eating
when
public
delegates
have
taken
time
out
of
their
day
to
show
up
and
you're
just
munching
on
a
bag
of
chips
or
whatever,
like
turn
off
your,
you
can
still
listen
but
turn
off
your
camera.
So
we
don't
have
to
watch.
Q
You
know
I
get
caught
showing
up
at
my
door
because
I'm
having
a
mental
health
crisis
and
you
want
to
know
what
they
do.
They
threaten
me
with
charges
and
I.
Look
at
them
in
the
eye
when
I'm
having
I'm
shaking
and
I'm
crying
and
I'm
like.
Is
that
the
best
you
guys
can
do
these
are
grown
men,
They're
laughing
and
one
of
them
laughs
at
me.
Q
I
have
this
name
I'll,
leave
it
out,
but
they're
laughing
at
me
saying
you
know:
I'm
gonna
threaten
you
with
charges,
because
you're
disturbing
well
I'm,
sorry
that
I'm
disturbing
people
right
now,
I'm
kind
of
not
in
the
best
mental
state,
but
is
that
really
all
you
have
to
offer
is
to
threaten
me
with
charges?
How
about
you
just
leave
me
alone
and
just
like?
If,
if
you
have
nothing
else,
then
just
leave
me
alone,
and
they
don't
have
anything
else,
and
the
city
has
nothing
else.
The
province
has
nothing
else.
Q
Q
I
haven't
I,
don't
think
I've
budged
on
that
list,
but
it's
an
average
waiting
list
of
a
wait
time
of
three
years
and
it's
only
going
to
get
worse.
If
you
build
that
that
facility
out
in
the
south,
it's
going
to
get
worse,
if
you
increase
the
budget
by
tasers,
it's
going
to
get
worse
because
there's
more
need
than
there
was
the
last
time.
I
talked
about
this.
Q
Q
A
K
A
How
how
about
we
start
with
that,
so
we'll
go
with
member
Curry
first
and
then
member
Carr,
so
member
Curry,
if
you'd
like
to
address
Aaron,
sure.
Q
So
my
understanding
and
I
heard
this
just
sort
of
Through.
The
Grapevine
was
Somerset
West
Community,
whatever
the
rest
of
it
is,
but
I
already
had
experience
hearing
from
them
directly
that
they
were
struggling
with
funding,
and
that
was
one
of
the
reasons
why
they
had
to
sort
of
step
back
in
what
they
were
trying
to
provide
me
many
months
ago,
I'm
in
their
catchment
area
where
I
am
in
in
hintonburg
and
so
yeah.
Q
That's
that's
one
of
the
social
agencies
they
just
don't
they
don't
have
the
funding
just
to
do
the
kind
of
work.
That
would
be
supportive
of
me
and
it's
getting
it's
getting
harder
for
them.
Yeah.
L
R
Hi
Erin
it's
member
car
here
I
just
wanted
to
apologize
to
you.
I
I
was
eating
and
I
actually
thought
about.
Turning
off
my
camera,
because
I
do
find
it
rude,
but
I
didn't
want
the
delegates
to
think
that
I
wasn't
listening,
but
I
wanted
to
thank
you
for
coming
here
today
and
apologize
for
that.
Thank
you,
okay.
Thank
you.
So
much.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
Aaron
for
all
for
your
time
and
for
bringing
to
our
attention
the
struggles
that
you're
going
through.
So
thank
you
for
being
part
of
our
delegation
today.
Okay,
thank
you.
So
that
concludes
the
delegates
for
our
meeting
for
today.
A
A
M
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I've,
been
in
my
role
as
the
chief
of
the
Ottawa
Police
Service
now
for
just
just
two
months,
and
so,
if
I
could,
before
I
get
started
just
offer
some
thanks
to
a
few
groups.
First
I
I
do
want
to
thank
the
board
for
assisting
me
and
getting
settled
into
my
new
job.
Many
of
you
have
offered
some
very
good
advice
and
guidance,
as
I've
begun
to
flatten
my
learning
curve
here
with
the
service.
M
Everyone
has
been
extremely
helpful:
We've
managed
the
tragic
death
of
a
member,
a
senior
officer
being
charged
and
the
important
work
we
are
doing
right
now
for
the
budget
process.
M
Finally,
and
most
certainly
not
least,
I
want
to
thank
the
Ottawa
Community
for
welcoming
me
back
to
the
city.
I
have
received
countless
letters,
emails
and
phone
calls,
as
well
as
many
invitations
to
join
groups
across
the
city.
M
It's
been
a
very
interesting
and
challenging
two
months,
but
I'm
certainly
enjoying
working
with
the
Ops
Team,
the
board
and
the
community.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
that
support.
M
During
my
interview
process,
I
stated
that
I
would
provide
the
police
board
with
some
of
my
initial
observations.
After
a
few
months
of
being
in
the
role,
so
I
thought,
I
would
take
that
opportunity
now
and
I
I
grouped
sort
of
my
comments
into
five
general
themes.
M
So
the
first
one
is
about
your
Ottawa
Police
Service
team,
and
to
the
board
and
to
the
community
of
Ottawa.
You
need
to
know
one
thing
very
clearly.
You
have
a
team
of
sworn
and
civilian
employees
at
the
Ottawa
Police
Service,
who
are
extremely
passionate
and
dedicated
in
what
they
do
and
I've
seen
this
firsthand,
while
working
with
our
neighborhood
resource
teams,
our
dispatch,
our
Dispatch
Center
and
our
Frontline
platoons,
our
other
units,
our
guns
and
gangs,
They
seized
105
guns
last
year,
our
homicide
unit.
M
They
investigated
too
many
homicides
to
be
honest,
16
deaths
with
six
of
them
being
female
victims
of
femicide
too
many.
Our
sexual
assault
team
successfully
investigated
and
secured
a
conviction
of
a
dangerous
offender
that
targeted
disabled
young
youth
victims.
M
I
can
tell
you
I'm
really
impressed
with
the
work
that
was
done
in
the
past
three
years,
with
our
Equity
diversity
and
inclusion
plan,
while
the
initial
three-year
EDI
action
plan
has
concluded.
Some
of
the
progress
that
has
been
accomplished
is
truly
groundbreaking
and
I
look
forward
to
working
with
the
board,
as
we
chart
another
3D,
a
three-year
Edie
strategy
in
the
coming
months,
and
then,
finally,
you
know,
as
per
the
update
or
as
per
the
update,
that
I'm
going
to
give
after
this
meeting.
M
I
have
also
seen
our
members
working
extremely
hard
to
prepare
for
Convoy
2.0
to
make
sure
that
we
are
ready
the
work
being
completed
on
the
day.
The
work
that
is
being
completed
on
a
daily
effort
is
is
a
a
significant
for
our
team.
M
So,
despite
a
very
difficult
year
in
2022,
it
was
difficult.
We
have
around
2
200
employees
that
will
continue
to
work
hard
and
keep
our
community
safe,
I'm,
proud
of
their
work
and
and
their
dedication
to
their
job.
M
The
second
theme
that
I
want
to
talk
about
is
trust
and
policing
and
I
understand
that
that
trust
has
eroded
in
the
past
year,
and
we
have
work
to
do
to
earn
that
back
and
and
restore
the
trust.
But
you
know
what
I
have
a
good
reason
to
believe
that
this
is
possible.
M
You
know
earlier
I
mentioned
the
outpouring
of
emails
and
invitations
from
the
various
Community
groups
around
the
NCR
I've
had
a
chance
to
speak
with
many
leaders
from
those
diverse
groups
right
across
the
city,
including
key
indigenous
leaders,
members
of
the
Muslims
Sikh
Jewish
Congolese
communities,
I've
also
met
with
the
good
people
who
work
at
places
like
the
Ottawa
Mission
leaders
from
the
city
bias,
our
own
Community
Equity
Council,
and
the
community
safety
and
well-being.
M
Community
I
haven't
gone
to
everyone
yet
and
in
the
coming
months,
I
plan
on
meeting
with
more
groups
to
hear
on
what
their
ideas
are
on.
How
we
can
enhance
Public
Safety
together,
but
I
can
tell
you
who
I
have
spoken
to.
The
overwhelming
theme
is
that
they
are
interested
in
working
with
us
working
with
the
Police
Service,
whether
it's
to
tackle
issues
specifically
in
in
their
individual
communities
or
with
the
community
as
a
whole,
I'm
hearing
that
they
want
to
see
our
officers
out
in
their
neighborhoods.
M
They
want
to
work
directly
with
those
officers
to
help
make
a
difference.
There
is
so
much
you
know,
proactive
and
preventative
work
that
we
can
do
as
a
police
service,
but
we
need
to
work
hard
to
free
up
those
resources
and
do
that
important
work.
M
One
significant
issue
that
I.
Certainly
this
theme
that
I've
seen,
is
the
increasing
demands
for
our
service
and
they
are
high
and
in
so
many
different
areas
and
I
can
see
our
chronic
challenge
to
provide
the
adequate
resources
needed
to
satisfy
that
demand
and
I'll.
Just
outline
a
few
areas
where
I
see
that
that
demand
increasing
and
it
starts
with
our
platoons
and
our
Frontline
officers.
They
responded
to
over
346
000
calls
for
service
in
2022..
That's
an
increase
of
2.5
percent
from
the
previous
years,
and
this
call
search.
M
We've
also
seen
a
spike
in
some
crimes,
and
we
all
know
about
auto
theft,
which
I
actually
has
plagued
the
province
of
Ontario
and
in
Ottawa
as
well
as
well
as
what
we
recently
reported
on.
Our
hate
and
bias.
Crime
unit
saw
377
total
incidents,
and
that
was
an
increase
of
13,
but
we
first
need
to
focus
on
increasing
our
Frontline
resources,
so
members
can
attend
these
calls.
M
In
a
timely
manner,
and
still
have
time
for
Meaningful
proactive
work,
I
can't
emphasize
the
importance
of
Frontline
officers
having
the
time
to
be
proactive
and
positively
interact
with
the
community
instead
of
going
from
call
to
call
I
also
see
that
demand
in
Road
Safety,
it's
important
to
the
citizens
of
Ottawa
and
I'm
hearing
that
we
have
to
have
more
presence
in
our
large
geographic
area.
We
have
to
find
ways
to
decrease
the
vacancy
rate
in
the
traffic
Services
Unit.
M
C
M
Make
sure
we
make
lies
Investments
an
obvious
area
of
increased
Demand
on
on
us
is
related
to
protests,
of
course,
major
events
and
head
of
state
visits.
We
all
know
about
the
Convoy
protests,
but
really
you
know,
all
of
these
events
affect
us
every
day.
It's
a
Daily,
Grind
and
one
example
is
the
the
pending
visit
by
President
Biden
in
a
few
short
months.
M
A
heavy
lift
will
be
required
to
ensure
that
we
have
the
proper
operational
plan
in
place
and,
of
course,
with
all
these
events,
our
front
line
traffic
and
neighborhood
response
teams
are
often
pulled
from
their
substantive
jobs
to
assist
with
these
events,
but
I
have
been
open,
very
open
about
my
desire
to
properly
fund,
not
only
the
Ops,
but
all
the
agencies
responsible
for
managing
these
protests
and
major
events.
M
Here
in
Ottawa,
we
need
a
permanent,
well-funded
group
of
law
enforcement
agencies
working
together,
and
the
good
news
is
is
that
we
are
working
very
well
with
the
RCMP,
the
opp,
the
Parliamentary
Protective
Service
and
other
partners
and
intersect
in
an
integrated
manner.
A
lot
has
changed
in
the
past
year,
but
a
lot
more
work
is
needed
and
just
before
I
leave
the
topic
of
protests.
I
will
mention
quickly
on
this
topic
and
the
potential
of
Convoy
related
protests
in
the
next
week
to
six
weeks.
M
We
are
briefing
the
police
board
after
this
meeting,
we'll
all
go
into
more
detail,
but
I
spoke
with
the
media.
M
Earlier
today
we
are
preparing
for
potential
protests
this
weekend,
we'll
have
a
scalable
response
to
ensure
that
any
protest
is
safe,
peaceful
and
lawful
and
of
course,
we
won't
tolerate
any
vehicle
based
protests
of
the
fourth
theme
that
I've
noticed
and
it's
something
that's
been
spoken
quite
a
bit
about
in
regards
to
the
delegates
that
have
spoken
today
is
the
non-criminal
calls
for
service
and
part
of
how
we
can
deploy
our
resources
better
is
to
look
at
the
amount
of
times
being
spent
by
our
members,
responding
to
and
managing
non-criminal
calls
or
service.
M
This
primarily
deals
with
calls
surrounding
Mental
Health
crisis,
experiencing
homelessness,
struggling
with
addictions
or
those.
You
know
related
issues.
We
need
to
work
in
partnership
with
City
Hall
and
the
social
services
sector
to
better
manage
these
issues
and
shift
some
of
these
responses
to
those
that
are
more
experienced
in
these
areas
and
and
police
aren't
the
primary
responders.
This
is
what
the
community
is
saying.
S
M
Said
it
today
and
we
agree
with
them.
We
need
to
work
with
our
hospitals
and
our
Mental
Health
Providers
as
well,
to
avoid
the
long
Waits
and
not
only
for
our
members
but
for
the
clients
that
we
bring
in
as
well
too.
Sometimes
they
sit
there
for
hours
and
that's
not
it's
not
good
for
us
and
it's
not
good
for
our
clients
either.
M
M
You
know
in
the
past,
during
times
of
fiscal
restraint
and
an
effort
to
you
know
realize
budget
say
savings.
These
areas
have
suffered
and
the
results
to
be
quite
Frank
have
been
predictable.
We
need
to
return
some
of
their
resources,
so
we
can
give
them
a
chance
to
succeed
and
do
their
jobs.
We
have
to
address
the
next
phase
of
our
I.T
modernization
road
map.
After
that
project
was
halted
three
years
ago.
M
This
should
include
investing
in
our
capabilities
to
produce
meaningful
data
for
both
the
public,
the
police
board
and
our
internal
use
as
well.
We
do
need
a
digital
evidence,
management
system
that
I
believe
should
include
the
use
of
body,
worn
cameras
as
well
I'm,
a
big
supporter
of
that
when
it
comes
to
our
facilities.
You
know
it's
been
mentioned
a
few
times
today
by
delegates,
but
you
know
we
have
reached
the
end
of
the
life
cycle
of
a
number
of
our
buildings
and
it's
necessary
to
refocus.
M
S
C
M
Cost
more
to
repair
than
replace
so
these
five
general
themes,
they're
Broad
in
nature,
it's
a
lot
of
information,
and
while
there
is
a
lot
of
work
to
do,
it
will
only
make
us
better
to
serve
the
people
of
Ottawa.
I
did
want
to
speak
briefly,
of
course,
on
the
Ops
budget.
It's
budget
season
right
now,
and
that
has
forced
me
into
quickly
learning
about
the
service
and
City
Hall
and
that's
a
good
thing.
M
The
crash
course
is
good,
but
I
look
forward
to
working
with
the
board
the
mayor
and
City
Council
in
the
coming
weeks.
As
we
present
our
proposed
budget
I
know
that
there
are
some
who
have
the
perspective
that
investing
in
the
police
is
not
a
good
idea.
M
I
respect
their
opinions,
it's
their
opinion,
but
I
also
respectfully
disagree
with
that
strategy,
as
I've
just
described
in
the
last
10
minutes
more
than
ever,
the
Ops
needs
continued
Investments
to
ensure
that
we
can
meet
the
demands
of
this
great
and
growing
community,
and,
as
we've
seen
in
the
city's
official
plan,
the
city
is
expected
to
grow
to
1.4
million
residents
in
the
next
25
years.
So
it's
important
that
now
we
leave
the
foundation
to
ensure
the
safety
of
our
neighborhoods
and
set
ourselves
up
for
future
success.
M
M
So
one
example
here
that
we
received
when
one
of
our
neighborhood
resource
team
officers,
William
Ridley,
Tom
de
la
Foss,
Sean,
McKenna
and
Youssef
monster
encountered
an
elderly
man
lost
in
a
snowstorm.
So
the
group
that
and
the
civilians
that
encountered
this
man
first
wrote
wrote
this
email
that
they
encountered
a
confused
elderly
man
out
in
a
snowstorm,
and
when
we
tried
to
help
him,
he
became
increasingly
agitated
to
the
point
where
we
had
to
call
the
police
for
help.
Four
officers
arrived
shortly
thereafter.
M
The
officers
joined
our
efforts
to
calmly
convince
this
gentleman
to
go
to
the
hospital
and
they
deserve
recognition
for
their
efforts.
They
were
the
perfect
mix
of
calm,
clear
and
firm
without
a
hint
of
aggression
or
escalation.
They
were
patient
and
ultimately
helped
us
succeed
in
getting
the
man
to
hospital.
All
four
officers
were
friendly
with
us
professional
with
the
patient
and
were
extremely
effective
as
teammates.
That's
an
awesome,
an
awesome
message
and
the
last
one
I'll
mention
from
the
pleasant
Park
area.
M
After
a
visit
by
Constable's,
Eric
Douglas
and
Wayne
Clayton,
we
at
Pleasant
Park
would
like
to
express
our
gratitude
to
the
neighborhood
resource
team,
constables,
Eric,
Douglas
and
Wayne
Clayton.
For
months
we
have
had
Parcels
stolen
in
property
damaged
by
one
individual
and
your
officers
managed
to
resolve
it.
We
have
begun
to
rely
on
them
heavily
to
combat
theft,
drugs
and
answer
any
questions
and
they
have
in
Brackets.
M
There
was
a
lot
we
had
with
respect
to
video
surveillance
and
what
we
could
do
as
a
team
to
stop
these
events
from
occurring
with
their
patients
and
their
advice.
We
were
able
to
identify
the
people
involved
and
have
them
either
arrested
or
trespassed
from
our
property.
It
created
a
more
tranquil
environment
for
the
families
and
people
of
pleasant
Park
to
live
here
without
concern.
Constables,
Eric,
Douglas
and
Wayne
Clayton
are
greatly
in
need,
are
greatly
in
need
in
our
community
and
deserve
our
thanks
and
appreciation.
M
A
Much
appreciated
all
the
work
that
you've
done
so
far
and
the
different
Community
groups
that
you
have
met
with
and
the
feedback
that
you're
getting
and
I
I
just
know
that
things
are
on
the
right
track.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
that.
Are
there
any
questions
from
the
board
members
for
the
chief?
At
this
time,
foreign.
A
We
first
of
all
need
to
receive
this
report
for
information.
Is
the
chief's
report
received
received?
A
Thank
you
all
right.
Next
item
Boys
and
Girls
Club
of
Ottawa
Tomlinson
Family
Foundation
Clubhouse
2021
year
in
review.
We
were
supposed
to
have
a
presentation,
but
unfortunately
we
do
not
have
a
representative
here
this
evening
from
the
Boys
and
Girls
Club.
However,
if
there
are
any
questions
on
this
report,
these
can
be
sent
to
the
executive
director
to
be
sent
to
them
after
the
meeting
for
a
response
at
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
Board
received
this
report
for
information.
Is
the
item
received
received?
A
A
Okay,
at
this
point,
I'm
not
getting
any
comments,
so
I
will
read
that
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
Board
direct
staff
to
prepare
the
2023
draft
operating
in
capital
budgets
based
on
a
2.5
percent
tax
increase
and
an
estimated
2.2
percent
increase
in
taxes
resulting
from
growth
in
assessment
base,
approved
the
2023
budget.
Review
and
timetable.
Is
the
item
carried?
Oh
sorry,
I
have
member
Carr
with
her
hand
up.
Did
you
want.
A
A
E
Sorry,
sir,
could
we
have
it
help
I
think
it'd.
A
A
Thank
you,
member
Ney,
8.6
appointment
of
special
constables.
Rcmp
is
this
item
held.
A
All
right
that
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
Board
approved
the
appointment
of
one
RCMP
employee
listed
in
document
one,
a
special
Constable
pursuant
to
section
53
of
the
police
services
act
in
accordance
with
the
terms
and
conditions
set
forth
in
the
attached
approval
of
appointment
form.
Is
this
item
carry
carried
carried?
Thank
you.
A
A
A
All
right,
the
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
Board
approved
the
procurement
of
executive
Search,
firm
Rogers
Bernstein
to
support
the
board
in
its
search
for
two
new
Deputy
Chiefs
at
a
cost
of
approximately
71
750,
not
including
HST
or
out-of-pocket
expenses.
Is
this
item
carried
carried
carried?
Thank
you.
A
Ontario
Association
of
police
services
board's
2023
membership.
Renewal,
executive
directors
report
is
this
to
be
held
that
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
Board
approved
payment
of
7162
and
46
cents,
including
HST,
to
the
Ontario
Association
of
police
services
boards
for
its
2023
membership
fee.
Is
the
item
carried
carried?
Thank
you.
A
R
A
A
A
I
A
A
A
A
At
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
Board
received
this
report
for
information.
Is
the
item
received
Thief
received
all
right,
8.15
public
rewards
2022
annual
report.
Chief's
report.
Is
this
report
to
be
held
no,
that
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
Board,
received
this
report
for
information?
Is
the
item
received
received
received?
Thank
you,
8.16
Ottawa,
Police
Service
accessibility
for
ontarians
with
Disabilities
Act
aoda
annual
report.
Is
this
report
to
be
held
that
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
Board,
received
this
report
for
information?
Is
the
item
received
received,
received
8.17
collection
of
identifying
information,
duties
and
prohibitions
policy?
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
A
R
Thank
you,
chair
I,
just
had
a
question.
I
understand,
of
course,
that
it
was
the
you
know,
direct
the
budget
directions
came
from
Council,
but
when
we
we've
been
getting
a
lot
of
questions
about
the
police
budget
and
and
increases
in
it
and
I
would
like
to
understand
what
percentage
of
the
city's
budget
goes
to
Ottawa,
Police
Services,
and
how
much
over
the
last
five
ten
years
have
we
seen
that
percentage
increase
all.
N
M
You,
member
Carr,
so
we
we
have
looked
at
it.
Actually,
we
do
have
some
details
in
our
budget
package
that
will
go
to
to
the
board
on
that
particular
topic
and
I'm,
just
bringing
up
some
information
here.
So
so,
if
I
understood
your
question
properly,
it's
it's
how
much
of
the
police
budget
that
percentage
is
part
of
the
overall
city
budget
in
2016
we
had
a
budget
of
in
and
around
305
million
and
that
made
up
9.9
of
the
overall
budget
this
year.
M
If
the
budget
that
is
being
proposed
is,
is
approved,
it'll
be
around
for
400
million
dollars
and
will
make
up
8.9
of
the
overall
budget.
So
that'll
be
a
drop
of
about
one
percent
of
the
overall
budget
over
the
last
seven
or
eight
years,
so
it
it
while
the
money
is
going
up
for
obvious
reasons.
The
overall
piece
of
the
pie
is
shrinking.
R
Thank
you,
and
so
that's
been
a
consistent
decrease.
Then
you're
yeah
as
I
looked.
M
Through
the
years
it
for
the
most
part
it
it's
either
stalled
at
a
particular
number,
or
it
drops
a
little
bit.
It
hasn't.
I
haven't
seen
it
go
up
since
2016..
Thank.
R
A
Any
other
questions,
member
cardinal
member
counselor,
Curry
member
Curry.
L
Thank
you
for
that.
I
just
wanted
to
say
to
the
writers
of
this
report
that
it
was
very
helpful
to
see
how
much
consultation
was
outlined
in
this
budget
process
and
and
definitely
to
the
you
know
to
the
comments
by
some
of
the
delegations
tonight
that
highlight
to
how
many
opportunities
there
will
be
to
give
feedback
into
the
budget
Direction
and
to
the
budget
options.
L
If
you
look
at
the
budget,
consultations
will
take
place
from
February
to
February
1st
to
February
20th,
with
many
opportunities
online
through
email
through
personal
meetings.
There
are
many
many
opportunities
and
consultation
events
that
will
take
place,
including
obviously
more
conversations
at
the
finance
and
audit
committee,
but
there
will
be
a
focus
on
using
traditional
media.
Social
media
and
media
directed
at
diverse
communities
and
I
was
really
glad
to
see
that
that
the
own
it
isn't
the
only
opportunity
to
give
feedback
on
the
budget
to
come.
L
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I'm.
Just
a
follow-up
to
member
Curry's,
Point
I
think
it'd
be
helpful
if
we
have
any
further
details,
so
I
totally
appreciate
all
the
details.
We
have
with
respect
to
the
consultations
that
are
being
proposed
and
and
the
various
means,
but
could
could
the
service
speak
to
what
what
concretely
is
going
to
take
place?
Do
they
have
further
information
I
think
that
would
be
helpful
to
demonstrate
the
various
means
of
public
engagement
which
we,
which
we
were
foreseeing.
M
Thank
you,
yeah
the
budget
consultation.
The
outward
consultation
will
be
detailed
in
the
budget.
Note
that
we'll
be
submitting
on
February
1st
it.
My
understanding
is
not
everything
has
been
solidified
to
this
point,
they're
building
all
the
different
consultations
and
the
meetings
sort
of
as
we
speak.
E
And
if
I
could
just
follow
up
out
on
that
Madam
chair,
sorry,
so
I
know
there's
going
to
be
a
final
report,
summarizing
the
consultations
and
that
will
be
submitted
to
the
board.
When
would
we
be
expecting
that
is
that
approximately
around
it
a
little
after
the
20th
chief.
M
Yes,
I
believe
at
the
end
of
February,
when,
when
we
finalize
all
that
we'll
have
a
summary
of
of
all
of
our
discussions,.
A
E
No
I
was
I
was
just
going
to
say
yeah.
That
would
be
helpful.
It
would
be
helpful
to
have
that
summary
in
advance
of
the
the
regular
board
meeting
that'll
take
place
in
February
as
well.
So
we
have
that
information
for
our
regular
meeting.
Thanks.
A
And
any
other
questions
for
the
chief
on
the
budget,
Direction
and
timetable.
No,
all
right
we'll
go
to
facility
strategic
plan,
refresh
Chiefs
report
I
held
this
item,
but
I'm.
Oh
sorry
about
that.
Thank
you
Krista
for
pointing
that
out
all
right
so
that
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
Board
direct
staff
to
prepare
the
2023
draft
operating
in
capital
budgets
based
on
a
2.5
percent
tax
increase
and
an
estimated
2.2
percent
increase
in
taxes
resulting
from
growth
in
assessment.
Base
number
two
approve
the
2023
budget
review
and
timetable.
Is
this
item
now
carried?
A
R
Thank
you
very
much
chair
and
just
before
we
begin
the
discussion.
I
struggled
a
bit
when
I
was
reading.
This
I'd
like
to
understand
the
implications
of
approving
this
report,
so
I.
Imagine
it's
either
the
chief
or
or
deputy
chief
Bell.
That
would
need
to
answer
it.
I
want
I
want
to
clearly
understand
the
overall
purpose
of
the
report.
I
want
to
understand
if
there's
implications,
if
we're
we've
we're
funding
or
if
the
funding
has
already
been
approved
for
the
self-facility
and
I
want
to
understand.
R
If
the
board
has
already
approved
the
project
and
I
also
want
to
understand,
if
there's
an
option
for
the
board
to
take
the
development
charge
money
back
if
it
can
be
given
back
to
council
to
spend
on
social
services
or
if
somebody
could
just
outline
and
explain
that
to
me,
I'd
really
appreciate
it.
A
M
Thank
you,
Madam,
chair
and
through
to
member
Carr
yeah,
so
the
facility
strategic
plan
is
is
a
document.
You
know,
I
think
this
is
sort
of
pointing
out
the
obvious
that
an
organization
as
large
as
ours
needs
to
have
a
strategic
direction
for
its
capital
assets
and
its
buildings.
M
And
that's
you
know
that's
what
this
is
in
terms
of
the
reason
for
being
to
have
the
overall
document,
so
we're
tracking
all
of
our
assets,
the
state
of
our
assets
and
what
we
may
might
need
in
the
future
in
our
life
cycle
as
they
get
old
as
we
get
larger
so
that
that's
sort
of
the
overall
reason,
and
in
this
particular
strategic
plan
there
has
been
a
lot
of
work
completed
on
that
for
about
10
years.
M
It
started
a
long
time
ago,
and
a
lot
of
different
areas
were
approved
by
the
board
of
the
day
to
advance
different
projects
and
then
different
reasons.
It
had
stalled
and
whatnot
so
we're.
We
were
tasked
to
refresh
the
the
plan
and
get
it
ready
for
today.
If
you
will,
in
terms
of
advancing
our
our
needs
and
the
proposals
that
were
made
a
number
of
years
ago,
so
that
I'll
I'll
I'll,
maybe
I'll,
stop
there
and
I'll
go
to
deputy
chief
Bell.
M
Who
now
is
looking
after
this
portfolio
and
let
him
continue
with
some
more
details
within
the
plan.
Steve.
T
Yeah
thanks
Chief
and
member
car.
If
I
don't
answer
all
of
your
questions,
please
remind
me
at
the
end
that
if
I've
missed
any
so,
as
the
chief
indicated,
the
old
the
facility
strategic
plan
that
you
have
in
front
of
you
today
is
a
refresh
from
one
that
we
started
that
was
tabled
in
2014..
So
overall,
what
this
plan
will
do
is
it'll
allocate
where
we're
going
to
invest
our
money
around
facilities
for
the
next
15
years
and
stages
and
sequences
that
level
of
workout.
T
The
other
thing
it
does
is
it
takes
the
2014
facility,
strategic
plan
and
realigns
projects
that
we
were
going
to
do
amalgamates
projects
together
an
example
of
that
is
in
the
original
facility
strategic
plan.
There
was
an
I.T
separate
I.T
building
that
was
to
be
developed.
We've
taken
the
money
that
was
going
to
be
invested
into
that
and
put
it
into
our
South
project.
So
what
you've
seen
is
you've
seen
the
realignment
of
the
projects
and
then
a
realignment
of
the
money
envelopes
that
have
already
been
approved
by
the
board
to
spend
on
that.
T
So
the
original
funding
envelope
that
we
had
was
219
million
dollars
that
continues
through
this
facility
strategic
plan
refresh.
So
there's
no
new
money,
no
new
allocations
of
funds
in
terms
of
Developmental
charges,
developmental
charges
are
are
specifically
allocated
through
city
council,
as
they
collected
on
developing
different
areas
to
be
put
towards
Public
Safety
type
initiatives
like
the
building
of
the
South
facility.
So
our
application
as
we
planned
and
started
the
work
around
South
facility,
was
to
take
those
almost
46
million
dollars
in
development
charges
and
apply
it
to
that
building.
T
So
those
that
money
isn't
transferable
to
another
area
and
would
need
to
go
back
into
the
city
to
have
those
developmental
charges
allocated
to
another
Public
Safety
type
initiative
in
a
new
area.
So
the
money
we
have
that
money
is
allocated
towards
South
and
if
we
don't
use
it
towards
that
project,
we
lose
the
ability
to
access
that
money.
T
There
is
no
new,
no
no
new
building
approvals,
no
new
funding
approvals
that
we're
seeking,
within
this
facility
strategic
plan.
What
we're
seeking
is
the
road
map
to
move
ahead
on
the
staging
of
all
of
our
facilities
assets
over
the
next
15
years,
which
will
start
with
the
South
facility
building
and
continuing
the
work
in
that
area.
So
member
card
I
hope
that
answers
your
question.
If
you
have
any
others,
I'd
be
happy
to
weigh
in
member
Carr.
R
Yes,
thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
confirm
that
we
weren't
approving
funding
I,
understand
better
now
appreciate
the
clarifications.
R
L
The
floor
is
yours.
Thank
you
very
much,
I
had
a
few
comments
first
and
that
number
one.
This
is
very
similar
to
what
we
get
on
Hospital
boards
and
what
we
get
at
school
boards
for
a
facilities,
renewal
plans.
You
can
see
exactly
who's
what's
happening
with
each
building
and
where
it's
going
and
I
was
really
pleased
to
see
this
in
the
level
of
detail
for
exactly
what's
happening.
L
You
know
that
we
will
no
longer
have
leetrum
and
green
bank
that
will
get
out
of
the
leases
of
Fairmont
and
Concourse
that
the
Elgin
courts
and
Swansea
will
be
retrofitted
that
the
Queensway
will
expand.
I
thought
that
it
was
a
very
clear
plan
and
I
really
appreciated
the
detail.
L
What
we
often
refer
to
as
a
rolling
plan
is
not
as
many
years
but
it's
maybe
like
a
two
or
three
year
plan
and
I
I
couldn't
tell
in
if
in
this
report,
maybe
it
was
I
couldn't
understand
it
from
the
way
the
chart
was
out,
obviously
many
years
out,
but
often
what
we
see
is
like
a
two-year
or
three
year,
Rolling
plan,
so
that
as
every
year
goes
by,
you
see
what's
happening
three
years
out.
L
Would
you
say
that
this
is
going
to
become
somewhat
rolling,
so
we
can
actually
map
all
the
progress
of
each
year?
Is
that
a
thought.
T
Yeah
member
Curry
for
sure
it
is
and
what
you'll
see
in
the
plan
and
in
the
actual
overall
Gantt
chart
that
we
have
around
it
on
a
regular
basis.
I
think
every
two
years
there's
a
touch
base
back
and
an
update
provided
to
the
board,
specifically
around
the
Strategic
facility,
strategic
plan
and
the
evolution
of
it.
So
that
is
built
into
the
planning
and
we
will
report
back.
T
The
other
thing
I
would
add,
is
we
see
it
as
important
and
are
are
happy
to
work
with
the
board
in
terms
of
if
we
do
move
ahead
with
our
South
facility,
ensuring
that
we
report
on
a
regular
basis
potentially
quarterly
to
one
of
the
committee
structures,
so
that
the
board
can
have
a
really
good
line
of
sight
over
the
evolution
and
ultimate
completion
of
that
project?.
L
Yeah
that
that
would
be
fabulous
and
just
even
that
it
would
be
fun
for
everyone
to
track
it.
You
know
so
I
think
that's
wonderful.
L
The
other
thing
I
would
say
is
that
I
liked
the
the
inclusion
of
the
community
safety
and
well-being
plan
in
part
of
the
South
facility
and
the
thinking
behind
it
and
the
concept
that
on
page
14
or
77
of
the
whole
agenda,
where
it
talks
about
some
synergies
with
city
services,
are
those
very
clear
at
the
moment,
or
just
an
understanding
that
there
could
be
synergies.
T
So
we've
had
over
the
past
year
had
several
discussions
with
the
city,
manager's
office
and
various
City
departments.
What
I
can
tell
you
is
there
is
a
real
appetite
from
the
city
to
be
involved
in
this
project,
specifically
the
group
or
unit
that
will
be
going.
There
has
not
yet
been
identified,
but
it's
been
identified
as
a
very
good
location
and
could
have
potential
for
the
city
to
to
leverage
it
as
well.
T
So
we
continue
to
work
with
them
to
build
what
their,
what
the
capacities
they
would
need
there,
who
would
they
would
want
placed
there
as
we
move
ahead
on
the
project,
but
I
can
let
you
know
that
the
conversations
we've
had
so
far
have
been
very
promising
and
very
good.
L
Yeah
I
really
like
that
part
of
it
for
sure
I
guess.
My
only
last
comment
was
you
know:
we've
been
so
Lucky
in
Canada
that
we
have
that
hunt
Mar
station
and
I
really
wish
the
same
for
Bar
Haven,
because
it
changes
the
game
and
it's
actually
hard
to
believe
that
the
hunt
Mars
listed
as
2009.
But
it's
been
there
that
long
and
I
know
these
things
take
a
long
time,
but
I
hope
this
moved
forward
as
quickly
as
possible.
Thanks
so
much
for
an
excellent
report.
A
E
Madam
chair
the
question
I
have
is
with
respect
to
the
sub
facility
itself.
Has
has
there
been
debate
over
the
South
facility,
in
fact
not
being
in
the
plan?
I
know
we're
calling
this
a
refresh,
but
my
understanding
is,
it's
always
been
in
the
plan
from
previous
boards.
Etc
am.
M
T
So,
thank
you,
member,
yes,
you
are,
the
South
facility,
isn't
isn't
actually
a
new
ideation,
that's
coming
up
in
this
plan.
In
fact,
cheap
white
in
2010
was
the
first
person
that
identified
that
plot
of
land,
as
as
an
area
where
we
needed
to
build
because
of
the
changing
geography
and
Dynamics
in
within
our
city.
So
there's
been
many
updates,
provided
to
this
board
many
levels
of
various
approval
for
both
funding
and
proceeding
on
different
contracts
to
prepare
ourselves
to
actually
get
into
the
next
stage
of
building.
T
E
Okay,
and
can
you
just
speak,
that's
very
helpful?
Could
you
also,
please
speak
to
sort
of
the
expertise
that
will
be
utilized
to
help
make
this
project
come
to
fruition?
Like?
Are
we
talking
internal
Ops
resources?
Are
we
talking
external
art?
What's
the
ratio?
Who
is
because
this
is
a
large
Capital
project
and
what's
going
to
be
kind
of
the
governance
behind
that
project,
there
will
be
us
as
a
board,
but
but
there
should
be
other
means
to
manage
such
a
large
Capital
project.
T
So
there's
several
different
layers
and
groups
that
will
help
and
assist
us
on
on
this
build
and
on
actually
X
the
execution
of
the
entire
facility
strategic
plan.
So
one
of
the
things
we
did
as
huntmar
the
huntmar
station
2009-2010
was
being
built.
Is
we
tooled
up
our
internal
capacity
with
subject
matter?
Experts
around
facility
maintenance
facility
building
all
areas
as
it
Associates
is
associated
with
facilities,
because
we
have
so
many
different
buildings
across
the
city.
T
So
we
have
a
really
good
internal
basis
of
expertise
beyond
that,
we
continue
to
leverage
the
city
of
Ottawa
and
particularly
their
procurement
area,
who
helped
guide
us
through
any
of
the
procurement
issues
that
we
have
moving
ahead
next
layer
to.
That
is
the
board,
as
you
indicated
itself,
because
as
we
look
to
progress
through
this
project,
we'll
come
back
on
many
different
occasions
to
get
approvals
for
rfps
for
to
to
spend
the
money
that's
been
set
aside
within
the
capital
budget
because
it
exceeds
what
it.
T
A
You,
member.
R
Carr
hi
sorry,
I
didn't
know
if
I
was
able
to
speak
again
when
I
already
spoke,
which
is
why
I
put
my
hand
down
again
but
I
just
had
one
quick
question,
so
you're
gonna
be
getting
rid
of
the
green
Bank
facility
and
the
sorry
green
bank
and
Leitrim
facility
are
going
to
be
gone.
What
happens
with
any
funds
with
those
properties?
R
How
does
where
does
that
get
reinvested
to
if
the
real
estate
value
does
that
money
get
redirected
to
understanding
based
on
my
Geographic
knowledge
of
Lee
trim
that
it
may
not
even
exist?
But
if
you
could
share
that
information,
so.
T
On
these
large
builds
with
our
relationship
and
partnership
with
the
city
once
the
project
is
completed,
it
turns
over
to
a
city
asset,
so
we
no
longer
have
any
sort
of
right
around
sale
or
any
ability
to
recoup
any
money
that
would
come
out
of
that
facility.
So
whatever
happens
with
green
bank
or
leetrum,
we
would
never
see
any
money
associated
with
that.
That
would
not
come
back
into
our
budget
because
it's
a
city
asset
that
they
manage
and
are
responsible
for.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Any
other
questions
board
members
I
see
none
all
right
that
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
Board
approved
the
facility
strategic
plan
refresh
223
to
2
to
2037
and
direct
the
Ottawa
Police
Service
Ops
to
start
projects
as
sequenced
in
the
plan.
Is
the
item
carried
carried?
Thank
you
all
right.
The
next
one
is
conducted
energy
weapon
program,
life
cycle
management,
Chiefs
report
and
I
believe
that
I
have
a
member
who
had
their
hand
up
for
this
one.
E
I
did
I
just
wanted
to
better,
based
on
the
delegation
that
was
presented
concerning
this
I
just
wanted
to
give
an
opportunity
to
the
service
to
provide
a
better
explanation
of
the
numbers,
because
there
were
numbers
that
were
saying
already
approved
and
now
it's
being
doubled,
Etc,
so
I
I
was
thinking.
It
would
be
helpful
for
us
to
better
understand,
based
on
the
delegates,
concern
as
well
provide
an
opportunity
for
the
service
to
explain
what
what
is
being
proposed
here
to
the
to
the
public.
Thank.
M
Thanks
Madam
Chief
through
to
member
of
fakarani,
you
know,
cews,
you
know,
are
a
very
controversial
Through
The
Years
through
their
life
cycle
through
their
years
in
policing,
and
the
Pendulum
has
swung
greatly
where
they
were
a
great
asset.
You
know
when
they
were
first,
you
know
around
in
the
early
2000s
and
then
you
know,
I've
been
involved
quite
a
bit
in
the
ybrkansky
issue
with
the
RCMP
and
it
swung
get
rid
of
them,
and
then
people,
you
know,
interactions.
M
You
know
across
the
policing
industry
and
when
people
are
fatally
shot
well,
why
didn't
we
taser
them
all
they're
getting
eliminated?
So
then
we
bring
them
back
and
you
know
it
sort
of
swings.
But
look
there
is
no
doubt.
M
You
know
that
the
weapon
is
very
useful
in
managing
a
lot
of
high
risk
situations
and
at
a
distance-
and
you
know,
for
example,
something
like
pepper
spray
is
only
good
for
a
certain
distance.
The
taser
is
longer
and
it
can
be
more
effective,
there's.
So
many
and
I
don't
want
to
get
into
justifying
the
the
you
know
the
weapon
or
not,
but
I
can
tell
you
very,
very
useful.
M
In
particular,
if
we
have
a
situation
where
perhaps
somebody
has
you
know
a
knife
and
is
threatening
us
with
the
knife,
we
have
lethal
backup
somebody
with
a
gun.
We
can
tasure
that
person,
he
drops
the
knife
and-
and
we
safely
secure
him
without
any
or
limited
use
of
force.
There's
so
many
examples
like
that,
or
maybe
it's
a
suicide
attempt
whatever
it
is,
you
just
see
over
and
over
again
where
it's
a
real
a
real
benefit.
M
So
we
want
these
weapons
they're,
really
one
of
the
best
intermediate
weapons
that
we
have
most
effective
intermediate
weapons
that
we
have
versus
a
baton
versus
pepper
spray
versus
punching
kicking
ourselves
with
our
own
hands
in
terms
of
the
the
program
here
at
Ops
there
again
it
sort
of
went
around
a
little
bit,
but
there
was
a
decision
made
to
personal
law
to
personally
issue
cews
to
all
members
in
all
all
sworn
members,
and
then
that
shrunk
a
little
bit
to
just
those
that
really
are
on
the
street.
M
M
So
now,
as
I've
looked
at
the
program-
and
just
you
know
just
really
getting
exposed
to
it
in
in
the
last
week
or
two
I
I
do
have
some
questions
myself
in
terms
of
the
the
personal
issue
across
the
board,
and
we
are
going
to
conduct
a
review.
I've
spoken
to
deputy
chief
Bell
about
this,
just
to
make
sure
that
we
have
that
sweet
spot
in
terms
of
the
number
that
we
have,
because
they
are
expensive.
Delegates
are
right.
M
They
do
have
a
life
cycle
that
is
about
five
years,
and
so
we
have
to
manage
that
program
very
carefully.
So
that's
something
that
I
I
want
to
look
at
review
and
make
sure
I'm
comfortable
with
with
our
program
and
deputy
chief
Bell
I'm.
Not
sure
if
you
have
any
other
comments
in
regards
to
the
question.
T
No
thanks,
Chief,
the
only
thing
I
would
add,
was,
as
it
would
add,
would
be
as
part
of
that
review.
What
we
from
a
life
cycle,
management
and
training
capacity
perspective
we'll
still
need
the
approval
this
year
to
maintain
the
program
that
we
have
while
we
conduct
that
review.
So
as
we
go
into
next
year's
budget
earlier
on,
we'll
be
able
to
bring
back
results
of
that
review
to
the
board
to
actually
identify
what
we
see
as
an
optimal
deployment
model.
Moving
ahead
with.
G
T
M
Thanks
Steve
and
they're
in
the
reason
for
the
report
to
maintain
the
current
program,
but
knowing
that
the
program
we're
just
gonna
we're
gonna,
do
a
review
and
make
sure
that
yeah
we're
comfortable
with
where
it's
at
right
now.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
E
So,
just
to
just
to
confirm
on
the
numbers
themselves,
so
the
275
CWS
that
will
be
purchased
this
year.
We're
not
confusing
that
number
with
the
previous
years
purchase.
Is
that
correct.
E
L
Quickly,
I
think
the
most
frustrating
part
of
this
report
was
the
lifespan
that
these
are
only
good
for
five
years,
given
the
cost
and
then
the
cost
of
the
cartridges.
They're,
it's
frustrating
and
there's
only
my
understanding,
there's
only
one
manufacturer.
Is
there
any
understanding
that
that
lifespan?
You
know
how
you
generally
have
a
best
before
date,
and
it's
not
necessarily
best
before,
and
you
know,
I
read
in
the
report
that
the
the
manufacturer
will
only
warranty
at
up
to
five
years
or
whatever.
L
Is
there
any
understanding
that
the
technology
is
getting
better,
that
it
would
be
longer,
because
this
is
a
very
expensive
cost
and
you
know
I'll
be
voting
in
favor,
but
I
just
want
to
know
what?
What
do
we
know
about?
Is
there
another
manufacturer
that
would
even
come
in
and
compete
for
a
better
price
or
product
chef.
M
Yeah,
it's
a
very
good
question.
Remember
Curry,
you
know,
axon
you
know,
does
have
a
corner
on
the
market
I'm,
not
aware
of
any
any
other
competitors
that
all
the
police
agencies
that
I
know
have
have
you
know
an
axon
cew,
there's,
no
doubt
about
it.
M
I've
been
buying
them
for
the
detachments
I've
been
at
for
for
give
or
take
20
years
and
I
haven't
seen
the
life
cycle
of
those
those
weapons
increase
past
five
years
during
that
time,
and
there
always
seems
to
be
some
modernizing
I
mean
they
have
changed
greatly
in
terms
of
the
technology,
their
reliability,
a
number
of
factors
there's
a
whole
bunch
of
different
features
to
them.
M
That
say
were
that
that
they
didn't
have
20
years
ago,
but
I
I
don't
know
of
any
any
significant,
any
significant
life
cycle
extension
in
terms
of
allowing
them
to
go
over
that
that
period.
M
It
is
an
officer,
safety
issue,
I,
don't
know,
I
I
got
to
say,
I,
don't
know
the
criteria
of
of
allowing
a
cew
to
go
six
seven
years.
If
it's,
if
it
appears
to
be
working
proper,
that's
not
something!
That's
not
something
that
I'm
aware
of
I!
Think
generally
we'll
just
cycle
them
out.
L
A
R
Yeah
hi
chair.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
for
the
opportunity
to
ask
a
question.
I
guess
my
question
is
twofold.
First
of
all,
it
was
my
understanding
that
we
kind
of
have
a
two-step
process,
and
discussion
on
this
would
normally
not
take
place
to
the
February
meeting
or
we
can
discuss
it
now.
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
that.
R
So
I
just
want
to
express
my
discomfort
right
now
with
proceeding
with
these
changes
to
the
bylaws.
At
this
time,
we've
heard
from
delegations
that
are
uncomfortable
I
certainly
see
when
reviewing
the
bylaws
that
we
do
our
biologically
haven't
kept
pace
with
the
updated
times
I
mean
we
can
see
that
from
you
know
in
person
virtual,
like
there's
lots
of
questions
there,
but
it
does
at
this
time.
R
I
do
find
it
overly
restrictive
and
the
fact
that
we're
getting
in
another
new
member
of
the
Police
Services
Board
shortly
when
we're
looking
for
a
Community
member
I'm,
recently
new
as
well,
and
certainly
I'm,
hearing
comments
about
the
12
point.
R
The
the
one
hour
time
frame
at
lunchtime
is
not
an
accessible
time
frame
and
there
are
things
that
make
me
uncomfortable
that
it's
it's
too
restrictive
to
delegations
and
and
certainly
I
understand
that
as
I
mentioned,
that
the
changes
do
need
to
be
made
to
update
us,
but
I'm
just
wondering
if
there's
an
opportunity
to
have
maybe
some
more
thought
and
look
at
what
other
options
there
are
other
than
what's
currently
on
the
paper,
because
it's
quite
restrictive
in
terms
of
the
times
it.
R
It
seems
to
me
that
bylaws
as
drafted
is,
is
overly
prescriptive.
In
terms
of
you
know,
time
frames
what
we're
asking
and
and
just
wanted
to
to
bring
that
up.
A
Thank
you,
member
Carr.
This
is
a
policy
and
governance
committee
recommendation,
and
today
tonight
we
have
both
member
fakarani
and
mayor
Sutcliffe
that
are
here
with
us
tonight.
A
E
From
my
perspective,
what
what
we
were
trying
to
do
within
the
policy
and
governance
committee
was
actually
to
find
a
means
to
open
up
a
a
virtual
Avenue
for
people
to
be
engaged,
because
we
were
hearing
that
there
was
no
virtual
engagement
and,
at
the
same
time,
the
public
delegations
were
to
be
at
the
discretion
of
when
it
was
needed.
So,
for
example,
we
asked
so
for
Budget
delegations.
E
We
would
host
a
separate
time
period
for
Budget
delegations
to
come,
so
it
wasn't
that
the
intention
was
that
they
we
won't
have
budget
delegations
that
you
know
we've
heard
constantly
that
there
were
a
hundred
delegates,
the
last
budget
round
and
we
were
not
trying
to
in
any
attempt
to
to
tail
those
navigations.
But
we
wanted
to
provide
an
Avenue.
That
was
maybe
for
that
purpose,
for
example.
E
So
so
we
create
means
for
delegates
to
be
engaged
on
issue
per
issue
and
the
idea
was
we
wanted
to
hear
from
delegates
in
advance
of
the
bunch
of
the
items
on
the
agenda.
So
we
can
have
those
in
in
mind
when
we
are
speaking
to
the
items
and
therefore
we
we
kind.
We
requested
a
time
slot
earlier
in
the
day
before
the
meeting
I
think
any
time
we
would
have
selected
would
have
been
difficult.
E
We,
we
kind
of,
came
to
a
conclusion
of
the
lunch
hour
being
given
that
people
could
reasonably
take
some
time
off
or
reasonably
participate
during
a
one
hour
period
that
that's
the
lunch
hour,
knowing
that
everyone
has
commitments
throughout
the
day,
so
I
don't
think
there
was
an
ideal
time
we
could
have
picked,
but
we
tried
to
pick
the
best
time
of
what
we
considered
was
was
most
effect
of
use,
I
I.
E
Those
are
my
comments
now
I
I'm
understanding
what
individuals
are
saying,
what
delegates
are
saying,
what
their,
what
the
reaction
has
been,
and
so
I'm
I'm
also
thinking
this
issue
through
of
the
of
the
public
delegations
at
the
meeting
itself,
but
I
I
I'll.
Let
other
members
speak.
A
All
right,
thank
you.
Member
fakarani
I
will
go
to
member
Curry
and
then
mayor
Sutcliffe.
L
Thank
you
I'm,
not
on
that
committee,
but
I
went
to
observe
that
committee
and
I
concur
that
that
is
exactly
what
the
discussion
was.
We
were
trying
to
look
at
how
to
make
it
virtual.
Could
it
be
when
it
would
be
more
convenient
for
people,
because
noon
was
exactly
what
member
fakarani
said.
Noon
was.
Maybe
a
good
idea
budget
was
seen
as
something
very
separate,
because
that
is
as
I
listed
earlier.
All
the
budget
consultation
opportunity
opportunities
there
would
be.
We
could
hold
a
very
separate
evening
just
for
those.
L
One
of
my
comments
at
that
meeting
was
what
I
and
you
will
see
how
it
happened
tonight
if
people
send
in
their
delegation
material
ahead
of
time,
just
like
we
used
to
have
at
the
school
board,
you
have
as
a
board
member
an
opportunity
to
read
through
it
think
through
some
questions
you
might
want
to
ask
them
and
that
I
think
is
very
helpful.
When
people
are
just
speaking,
you
have
no
idea
what
they're
going
to
say
next,
then,
you
think
okay,
well,
I
could
ask
about
that.
L
I
I
could
maybe
ask
a
question
on
that
or
you
know
what
I
won't
I'm,
not
on
the
speakers
list
here.
First
or
second,
someone
else
might
have
asked
a
similar
question.
Those
were
all
the
the
discussions,
so
I
absolutely
hear
what
people
are
saying,
but
I
also
see
another
attempt
to
try
to
stop
the
business
of
the
board
from
going
forward
and
just
as
the
school
board
set
their
delegation
limits
at
20
minutes
for
delegations.
L
What
they
are
saying
is
that
the
business
of
the
board
is
very
important,
and
what
we've
had
here
tonight
is
a
double
agenda,
where
we
don't
have
the
time
and
I
mean
we've
been
in
meetings
here
in
camera
and
probably
to
the
end
of
the
evening.
That
will
be
in
excess
of
eight
hours
and
we
don't
have
the
time
to
actually
look
at
each
item
as
carefully
as
we
might
have
if
our
agendas
were
more
reasonable
and
we
had
the
time.
L
Don't
think
the
community
wants
that
where
people
are
saying
it's
getting
too
late,
we'll
just
pass
this
when,
in
fact,
if
we'd
had
a
longer
discussion,
maybe
things
would
have
been
amended
or
changed
or
deferred
or
referred
or
whatever
so
I
know
be
careful
what
you
wish
for
or
because
you
know
I
see
tonight
not
a
lot
of
discussion
on
all
the
items,
but
discussion
on
I
think
the
most
critical
ones,
and
that
can
be
as
a
result
of
very
long
delegations.
So
there
has
to
be
a
balance
and
I.
L
That's
what
I
would
want
to
see
what
it
may
look
like
in
the
end.
I
haven't
completely
decided
on
what
I
think
is
the
perfect
model.
I,
don't
think
anyone
has
and
I
do
think
we
want
to
look
at
what
other
police
services
boards
are
doing,
because
they
are
doing
unique
things
that
are
respecting
a
delegation's
right,
an
opportunity
to
speak
to
the
board
and
making
sure
the
business
of
the
board
is
completed,
because
that
is
critical
work.
L
These
reports
take
a
long
time
to
go
through
to
think
through
and
think
of
of
questions
you
might
want
to
ask,
and
they
deserve
that
respect
and
time
as
well
and
I
want
to
say
one
other
thing:
that,
because
of
what
happened
at
the
meeting
where
our
board
meeting
was
curtailed,
the
Boys
and
Girls
Club
did
not
get
to
present
now
tonight
nobody's
here
to
present
at
all,
and
so
their
opportunity
was
lost
because
of
our
inability
to
get
through
a
meeting
and
and
focus
on
the
business
of
the
board.
L
The
business
of
the
board
sometimes
is
an
important
delegation
from
a
very
important
Community
partner
that
is
doing
excellent
work
in
the
community
on
behalf
of
Youth,
and
that
frustrates
me
to
no
end
that
they
were
prevented
from
presenting
to
us
and
now
they're
not
able
to
come
to
tonight's
meeting.
So
as
a
result,
they
will
have
no
presentation
to
this
board
and
that
I
think
is
very
unfair,
so
it
it's
essential
that
we
get
this
right
and
what
that
right
looks
like
we
will.
L
N
C
N
Think
it's
also
important
to
acknowledge
that
we,
you
know
you
have
to
you-
have
to
listen
to
the
voices
of
people
who
were
who
are
not
doing
delegations
at
the
at
the
current
moment
because
they're
they
don't
feel
it's
an
environment
for
them,
and
we've
heard
we've
heard
feedback
from
some
of
them.
N
I,
listen
very
carefully
to
all
of
the
delegations
tonight
and
I'm
I'm
grateful
for
all
the
comments
that
were
shared
and
I
and
I
do
you
know,
take
I,
do
take
those
thoughts
on
board
and
and
and
I'm
open
to
making
adjustments,
if,
if
necessary,
but
I,
think
the
spirit
behind
these
changes
was
to
number
one,
give
everyone
a
virtual
opportunity
to
contribute.
N
So
in
the
future
we
may
have
an
in-person
board
meeting,
but
we
may
have
a
virtual,
a
series
of
delegations
and
there
are
some
people
who
need
to
be
at
different
places
in
order
for
that
to
happen
and
as
as
was
raised
previously,
there
may
there's
value
in
having
time
between
the
two
so
that
we
can
bring
that
feedback
to
the
board
meeting.
N
It's
I
would
also
say
that
I
I
will
respectfully
disagree
with
the
idea
that
this
is
the
only
way
that
we
hear
from
the
public
right.
So
there
are
many
different
ways
that
we
hear
from
the
public.
All
of
us
engage
with
the
community
on
a
regular
basis,
and
it
is
not
only
through
public
delegations
that
we
hear
the
lived
experience
of
members
of
our
community.
N
It's
one
of
the
ways
it's
an
important
way
and
we
want
to
continue
it,
but
it's
not
the
only
way,
and
there
are
other
ways
for
people
to
contribute
their
thoughts
to
us
as
we
make
important
decisions
and
and
and
for
issues
like
the
budget
and
even
on
a
particular
on
a
particular
day.
We
may
decide
to
hear
more
delegations
if
there's
an
important
issue
that
we're
discussing,
we
may
decide
to
go
beyond
60
minutes
or
a
certain
number
of
presentations.
N
That's
within
our
you
know
that's
within
the
realm
of
of
our
you
know
of
our
choice,
so
we
I
think
we
can
continue
to
hold
special
consultations.
N
We
can
continue
to
do
a
lot
of
work
to
engage
with
the
public
and
we
can
have
longer
sessions
if
we
so
choose
when
there's
an
important
issue
on
the
agenda,
but
I
think
this
gives
an
opera
us
an
opportunity
to
hear
from
more
people
hear
from
different
people
and
to
hear
focused
comments
to
pertain
to
the
agenda
we're
dealing
with
that
day
and
find
other
ways
to
consult
with
the
public
on
more
General
matters,
about
the
future
of
policing
and
so
on.
So
thank
you.
S
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
I
I
Echo
the
comments
that
have
been
made
by
the
others,
and
you
know
the
I
think
it's
quite
clear
that
we're
trying
to
evolve
this
and
to
make
it
more
effective
and
there's
nothing
preventing
us
if
we
need
to,
or
we
see
as
we
go
along
to
make
some
further
changes.
So
I
think
that
needs
to
be
understood
as
well.
S
S
If
we
find
that
that's
necessary
I,
don't
somebody's
already
said
I,
don't
think,
there's
a
perfect
way
of
doing
this,
and
so
you
know
I'm
supportive
of
continuing
on
what
the
what
the
policing
governance
committee
has
has
suggested
or
has
proposed
and
then
we'll
make
adjustments
if
necessary.
A
Thank
you,
member
henschel,
member
Carr.
Did
you
want
to
come
back
on
the
comments
you've
heard?
Does
this?
Do
you
still
have
feelings
or
concerns
about
what
we've
discussed.
R
Yeah
I
still
am
I
still
am
uncomfortable
with
what
looks
like
quite
prescriptive
and
and
restricted
restrictions
right
within
the
bylaws
and
I
would
prefer
that
we
would
take
more
time
I
understand.
The
comments
are
that
we
can
continue
to
evolve
this
if
it
passes
but
I'm
concerned
with
setting
up
it
this
as
a
starting
point
at
this
at
this
point
in
time.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
A
E
Right,
sorry,
yeah.
Sorry,
chair,
no
go
ahead
just
to
sort
of
pick
up
on
member
cars
concerns.
E
E
In-Person
delegations
wouldn't
be
permitted
at
board
meetings
and
and
again
the
cheers,
discretion
and
and
within
the
limited
time
period,
is
that
I,
I
I
was
throwing
out
an
idea,
but
I
think
it
would
be
discretionary
because
we
do
need
to
keep
to
the
agendas
and
we
do
need
to
keep
appropriate
delegations
in
play.
A
All
right
well
I'm,
going
to
let
mayor
Sutcliffe
speak,
but
I
will
tell
you
that
you
could
bring
emotion
forward
at
the
next
meeting.
Okay,
mayor
Sutcliffe.
N
Mercy,
so
I
would
just
add
a
couple
of
other
points
or,
or
you
know
we
could.
We
could
also
indicate
that
we'll
review
this
policy
or
ask
the
committee
to
review
this
policy
again
in
a
fixed
period
of
time
after
we've
had
a
chance
to
see
how
it's
going
for
a
period
of
time,
so
I
I'd
be
open
to
that.
N
If
that
would,
if
that
would
be
helpful,
I
think
we
could
also
add
to
the
motion
that
you
know
that
we
intend
to
seek
feedback
from
the
community
in
other
ways,
Beyond
just
the
delegations
at
the
at
the
board
meetings-
and
that
includes
you
know
during
the
budget
process
and
and
other
means
of
of
seeking
feedback
from
the
community.
N
So
I
think
you
know
I
think
it's
important
to
engage
the
community
in
in
meaningful
ways,
and
this
is
this
is
only
one
way
to
do
that
and
so
I
think
we
should
have
a
look
perhaps
at
our
entire
strategy
for
engaging
the
community
and
look
at
other
ways
that
we
can
consult
with
the
public
and
again
also
maybe
indicate
that
we'll
review
this.
C
A
No,
that's
it
for
now
all
right
so
that
the
Ottawa
Police
Services,
Board,
receive
and
table
this
report
and
the
attached
bylaw
number
one
of
2023
being
a
bylaw
to
amend
Ottawa
Police,
Services
Board
procedure,
bylaw
number
three
of
2014
for
approval
and
enactment
at
its
February
27
2023
meeting.
Is
the
item
received
and
tabled,
received
and
tabled?
A
R
A
R
Carr
hi,
sorry,
yes,
I
just
had
a
question,
because
within
that
report
there
was
a
mention
of
the
police.
It
was
taken
by
his
communist
about
the
release
of
the
annual
statistics
and
we
had
a
question
from
the
public
from
some
of
us
as
members
of
the
board
on
the
stats
on
the
hate
crimes
in
2022.
Today,
and
specifically,
it
was
that,
although
they've
released
their
latest
hate
crime
stats,
they
only
released
a
total
number
and
not
per
group
and
I.
Just
wanted.
R
I
mentioned
that
I
would
ask
this
publicly,
because
I
thought
that
the
response
was
important
for
everyone
and
not
just
to
be
provided
on
a
one-off
basis
as
to
why
that's
not
released
so
I
wondered
if
I
could
get
an
answer
to
that
from
either
the
chief
or
the
deputy
chief
or
whoever
can
answer
that
question.
For
me.
Sure.
M
Thank
you,
member
Carr,
Madam
chair.
If
I
get
superintendent
Dave
Zacharias
could
I
ask
you
to
to
answer
that
question.
I
Chief,
would
you
like
I
could
I
could
take
this
one
on
if
that
works.
I
Yeah
part
of
the
issue
is
the
way
that
stats
Canada
does
their
breakdown
of
releasing
the
statistics,
and
so
in
in
the
past
we
have,
you
know,
provided
the
numbers
just
based
on
the
the
larger
groups,
but
what
it
doesn't
take
into
consideration
is
certain
other.
I
We
track-
and
that
is
you
know
things
such
as
transgender
is-
is
a
statisticated
stats.
Canada
does
not
keep
on.
However,
we
would
like
to
be
able
to
report
on
that.
Another
issue
is
when
you
have
two
criteria
in
terms
of
that
would
be
a
target
for
members.
It
doesn't
capture
that
as
well
so
moving
forward.
I
We
are
going
to
be
tracking
that
and
committing
to
releasing
those
statistics
for
our
community,
but
that
was
the
reason
that
we
felt
that
the
the
numbers
were
not
necessarily
accurate
or
reflective
of
what
we
were
seeing.
It's
a
very
important
portfolio
for
us,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
get
it
right.
Okay,.
M
I,
don't
I,
just
I
see
superintendent
Zacharias
did
come
on.
Did
you
want
to
add
anything
Dave.
U
M
M
I
think,
given
the
time
we'll
we
can
move
on.
S
Yeah,
thank
you
sure.
I
had
a
couple
questions.
One
is
I
noticed
in
the
report.
There's
in
the
appendix
a
there's,
a
list
of
mandatory
training,
that's
required
for
either
all
the
members
or
in
certain
roles.
Speakers.
S
S
S
You
know
improved
outcomes
or
it's
not
making
a
difference
and
as
again
I
said,
I
may
not
be
easy,
but
I'd
be
to
say
that,
but
I'd
be
very
interested
to
know.
If
the
service
has
any
data
or
evidence
from
that.
A
M
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
through
to
member
hetchall
in
terms
of
tracking
the
training
we
do
track
it
and
we
can
release
it
in
regards
to
measuring
it,
I
think.
For
the
most
part,
all
you
know,
when
we
do
these
things,
they're
surveys
and
different.
You
know,
instruments
and
tools
like
that
that
we
do
utilize
I
sense.
M
S
Yeah,
just
so,
is
it
possible
to
get
to
find
out
just
what
the
compliance
levels
are
and
one
of
the
reasons
I
ask
is
you
know
having
you
know
in
my
previous
experience
We've,
you
know
it
was
in
the
organizationalize
and
it
was
sometimes
difficult
to
get
compliance
so
I'm
just
wondering
how
we're
doing
around
that
overall
is
the
service.
M
V
A
A
L
Floor
is
yours,
yeah.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
This
was
a
one
of
those
reports
from
last
time,
so
I
went
back
to
my
questions
and
I'm.
Sorry
if
this
is
actually
challenging
to
just
answer
this
straight
out,
but
on
page
77
of
the
old
report,
it
says
so
far
in
2022
service
time
has
driven.
Eight
percent
risen,
eight
percent
to
over
260
000
hours.
This
result
is
well
above
the
five-year
average
of
230
000
hours.
L
This
is
on
Priority,
One
response
performance
service
time,
citizen
initiated
mobile
response
calls
and
I.
Just
my
question
simply
is:
why
do
we
think
that
it
has
risen?
Eight
percent,
all.
M
So
Cameron
hope
good
is,
is
online
with
us
he's
our
data
sort
of
Guru
and
in
terms
of
digging
down
into
those
numbers,
but
I
can
tell
you
and
some
of
the
more
seasoned,
Deputy
Chiefs,
potentially
deputy
chief
Burnett
may
want
to
add
to
this,
but
certainly
from
what
I've
seen
is
you
know
the
numbers
of
Frontline
officers
that
are
on
that
are
responding.
These
Priority
One
calls,
as
I
mentioned
in
my
oral
report.
M
I,
certainly
see
a
I
need
to
increase
those
numbers.
So
then
we
can
respond
within
the
standard
that
we'd
like
to
to
these
types
of
calls.
I
can
tell
you
when
I
worked,
a
shift
and
I
saw
what
was
sitting
in
the
queue
for
it
was
some
not
not
like.
You
know
it's
Priority,
One,
Life
and
limb.
M
Were
there
and
we're
going,
but
there's
a
lot
of
those
calls
that
I'd
like
to
see
us
get
to
quicker
and
when
they're
running
around
they're
running
around
so
the
hours
the
hours
increase,
but
perhaps
Deputy
Burnett
did
you
want
to
add
anything
else
to.
U
Sure
thing
thanks
very
much
for
the
question
so
just
to
clarify
that
measure.
Total
Service
time
reflects
the
cumulative
amount
of
time
that
we
spend
responding
to
and
managing
all
calls
for
service,
not
just
Priority
One
calls
for
service.
U
So
when
you
look
at
what's
driving
that
actually,
if
you
look
back
at
total
demand
some
of
the
items
that
we've
highlighted
there
provide
some
indication
as
to
what's
what's
driving
that
total,
so
as
an
example,
unwanted
persons,
paramedic
assistance,
collisions
stolen
vehicles
and
other
things
that
the
chief
has
already
commented
on
that
are
contributing
to
that
increase.
The
other
thing,
of
course
in
that
is
the
demonstration
of
course
earlier
that
happened
earlier
in
the
year
and
impacted
obviously
the
amount
of
time
we
were
spending
on
on
calls
for
service.
U
So
I'll
answer
some
of
your
questions.
If
there's
anything
you
want
us
to
take
away
and
provide
more
detail
on,
we
can
do
that.
Yeah.
L
Thank
you
very
much
for
that.
The
other
one
which
was
you
know,
I,
think
good,
and
maybe
you
want
to
improve
15
minutes
90
of
the
time,
but
the
other
one
talked
about
how
in
Q3
achieved
the
Ops
achieved
the
response
performance
standard
of
arriving
on
scene
within
15
minutes
90
of
the
time,
and
so
so
I
think
that
that's
good,
and
maybe
you
want
to
do
better,
but
the
question
I
have
and
I.
You
know
you
will
remember
this
for
months
ago.
L
Is
what
about
priority
two,
because
priority
two,
you
know
Priority
One,
Life
and
limb,
but
priority
two
are
also
very
serious
situations
and
I
wonder
I
I'm
I'm,
guessing
our
data
isn't
as
good
or
our
response.
Time
isn't
as
good
and
I'm
wondering
if
we
would
get
that
kind
of
data
priority
too.
A
M
Thank
you
and
I
agree
with
you,
member
Curry,
and
that
kind
of
relates
a
little
bit
to
what
I
actually
just
spoke
about
with
some
of
the
calls
that
I
saw
in
the
queue
that
that
I'd
like
to
see
a
more
robust
response
to
sooner.
That's,
not
life
and
limb,
but
it's
there
is
some
risk
to
it
and
and
getting
that
data.
But
you
know
the
members
are,
are
busy
doing
other
things,
so
it
certainly
is
I.
M
Think
a
data
that
would
that
would
hold
some
value
for
sure
and
and
I'll
just
say
this
before
I
go
over
to
Cameron
is
this
this
report
and
this
data
is
something
that
is
fairly
new,
that
we're
creating,
and
certainly
we
want
to
tweak
it
and
change
it,
so
it
it
meets
the
board's
needs.
So
if
you
do
see
any
suggested
changes,
please
let
us
know,
and
we
can
we
can
make
those
changes.
Cameron.
U
Yep,
absolutely
so
just
a
comment.
First,
on
the
priority
one
response
performance
within
15
minutes,
95
of
the
time
generally,
we've
been
really
close
to
that
Benchmark
over
the
past
number
of
years,
and
due
to
the
suspension
of
the
tiered
response
agreement,
which
we
commented
on,
the
actual
number
of
P1
calls
on
a
quarterly
basis,
has
really
declined
substantially.
So
we're
seeing
the
impact
of
not
me
not
responding,
not
arriving
on
scene
within
15
minutes,
with
a
fewer
amount
of
calls
impacting
that
overall
percentage.
U
So
it's
come
closer
to
that
90
percent
marker,
but
one
of
the
things
that's
driving
that
we
tried
to
call
it
in
the
report
was
that
when
an
officer
is
responding
to
these
calls,
if
there
is
a
change
in
the
urgency
around
the
call
and
that's
communicated
to
the
officer
so
essentially
the
response,
the
call
is
downgraded
the
response
priority.
It
isn't
reflected
in
our
CAD
system.
So
there
are
a
number
of
those
caught
up
in
this
in
the
system
whereby
we
can't
clean
those
out
and
it
ends
up
reducing
our
response
performance.
U
From
a
P1
perspective
to
the
second
point,
we
don't
have
a
public
measure
right
now
for
P2
response
performance,
that's
included
in
this
report,
but
I
think
we've
included
it
in
the
last
part
of
the
conclusion
that
certainly
we
need
to
look
at
this
report
and
continue
to
improve
its
utility,
in
particular
in
alignment
with
this
strategic
direction
that
we're
going
to
be
developing
and
providing
more
more
insight
into
operations
around
policing,
so
not
just
priority
two,
but
also
non-emergency
calls
which
consume
the
majority
of
police
resources,
p3s
and
e4s.
U
L
Very
much,
thank
you
very
much
for
that.
Cameron
I
will
say
that
you
know,
and
not
this
isn't
news
to
anybody,
but
you
can't
improve
what
you
don't
measure
you
know
and
and
not
that
we're
not
I'm,
not
saying
that,
but
at
in
hospitals.
You
know
every
hospital
has
a
faster
access
metric.
You
know
that
we
watch
as
board
members
and
it's
not
just
faster
act
access.
You
know
to
get
seen
or
to
get
to
an
inpatient
bed
and
we
do
measure
that
time
to
inpatient
bed
is
another
metric.
L
L
What
the
reason
I'm
explaining
this
to
you
is
all
of
those
things
that
we
measure
make
a
huge
difference
in
trying
to
figure
out
what
needs
to
change
and
what
things
could
be
improved
and
I
guess
I
would
say
that
in
our
strategic
planning,
that's
coming
up
that
I
would
love
to
see
more
of
that.
I
know
it
takes
people
I
know
it
takes
technology.
L
A
V
Yes,
thank
you.
I
know.
Cam
had
mentioned
that
the
tiered
response
had
been
suspended
there
through
through
the
covid
through
pandemic.
I
can
I
can
reassure
you
that
that
has
that
agreement
has
restarted
and
that's
an
agreement
between
ofd
and
paramedics
and
ourselves
to
to
respond
to
those
medical
calls.
So
there's
a
lot
more
resources
able
to
to
hit
those
hot
spots
in
a
quicker
time
frame.
A
I
wonder
if
you
could
be
a
little
bit
more
specific
detail,
how
a
tiered
response
Works?
How?
How
does
it
work
within
the
Ops
and
everyone
and
everything
else.
V
I
I
can
cover
that
right
now
or
we
can
provide
you
a
written
response.
If
that's,
if
that's
good
too,
but
basically,
what
that
does
is
just
expands
our
ability
to
get
to
those
type
of
medical
calls,
because
police
are
obviously
trained
with
dfips
and
have
more
resources
on
the
streets.
V
L
A
A
S
Floor
is
yours
thanks
chair,
so
this
one
involves
Dynamic
entries
which
are
produced
high-risk
activity
and
also
has
garnered
a
lot
of
attention
in
the
media
in
the
courts.
Otherwise,
and
so
I
very
much
appreciate
the
report,
but
also
it's
it.
It
appears
from
the
way
the
report
is
written
that
the
policy,
the
Ops
policy,
has
changed
around
using
Dynamics
certain
entries.
S
Certainly
the
numbers
have
gone
way
down,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
confirm
that
the
actual
policy
has
changed
officially
and
then
also
chair,
I,
just
wanted
to
from
a
process
perspective.
Is
this
something
that
would
at
some
point
or
other,
come
to
the
policy
and
governance
committee?
A
review
I
just
wanted
to
confirm
that
and
again,
the
reason
I
ask
is
because
it
is
such
a
high
risk
activity
and
it
has
been
getting
a
lot
of
a
lot
more
attention
in
the
last
number
of
years.
A
M
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
through
member
henschel,
in
regards
to
yeah,
as
we
in
the
report
shows
2018
we
had
82
Dynamic
entries
and
22.
We
had
a
single
one,
so
we
of
course
didn't
eliminate
the
use
of
them,
but
we
certainly
have
established
a
risk
assessment
tool
and
a
process.
Obviously
that
leads
to
the
critical
incident
Commander
to
to
have
to
approve
that
particular
tactic.
So
I
think
it's
working
quite
well.
Based
on
that
number
to
answer
your
question,
I
I
did
ask
the
question
on
the
policy
side.
M
The
policy
has
yet
to
be
fully
to
be
approved
and
published,
but
the
routine
or
the
the
process
certainly
has
so
that
is
still
ongoing
in
regards
to-
and
it's
just
me
thinking
in
regards
to
the
and
I-
don't
have
a
lot
of
experience
with
with
the
policy
committee,
but
I
I,
wouldn't
I
I,
wouldn't
think
that
operational
policies
would
go
to
that
to
that
committee.
M
I
I
would
think
it
would
be
more
of
the
administrative
Staffing
Etc
ones
that
might
make
its
way
there,
but
I'm
not
sure
the
operational
would
for
approval,
but
that
that
is
just
my
thought.
Well,.
S
S
On
that
no
and
I
appreciate
I,
appreciate
that,
and
you
know
it
gives
me
great
comfort,
that
the
process
has
changed.
I
know
the
policy,
will
change
and
I'm
I'm
trying
to
sort
of
find
out
where
the
sort
of
limits
are
or
where
the
guidelines
are
around.
What
we
as
aboard
are
responsible
for
from
a
perspective
of
ensuring
adequate
and
effective
policing,
and
so
that's
not.
That
line
isn't
exactly
clear
to
me
yet
and
maybe
something
that
you
know
as
we
as
we
go
forward.
S
S
For
things-
and
it's
not
not
for
us
to
necessarily
say
that
it
should
change,
but
just
to
make
sure
from
our
perspective
that
we're
taking
the
necessary
steps
to
make
sure
that
risk
is
mitigated
and
it's
it
seems
reasonable.
I,
don't
know.
So
that's
just
something
I'd
like
to
get
a
better
understanding
or
anyways
as
we
as
going
forward.
A
A
All
right.
So
could
I
get
a
motion
to
adjourn
the
meeting.
L
A
This
is
wrong
here:
February
27th,
I
believe
2020..
Next
regular
meeting,
yes,
will
be
her
held
on
February
27
2023..
Thank
you,
everybody
for
being
with
us
this
evening.
We
appreciate
all
of
the
delegations.
We
appreciate
all
the
reports
that
have
been
forward.
It
was
a
heavy
duty
agenda,
but
we
got
through
it
and
I
think
it
was
very
productive.
So
thank
you.
Miss.