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We
are
currently
broadcasting
on
zoom
and
live
streaming
on
YouTube.
Given
this
meeting
is
being
held
electronically.
I
want
to
caution
that
there
is
a
possibility
of
technical
difficulties.
Should
we
receive
any
disruptions.
I
would
ask
that
everyone
remain
patient
as
we
work
to
fix
the
issue
and
resume
the
meeting
as
soon
as
possible.
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I
want
to
thank
Community,
co-chair
Catherine
Clark
for
all
the
work
she
does
to
help
ensure
our
Gala
is
a
success.
We're
fortunate
to
have
such
Dynamic
and
well-respected
Community
leader,
like
you
involved
with
the
gala
I,
also
want
to
thank
inspector
Jim,
Ells
and
Kelly
leningham,
and
the
organizing
committee
for
putting
this
Gala
together
we're
successful
because
of
the
dedication
and
commitment
your
team
provides
Tim
and
Marissa
mamawi
together
and
u-turns.
Youth
Support
Services
speak
to
the
important
work
being
done
in
Ottawa.
D
That
is
making
life
better
for
some
of
our
more
vulnerable
residents,
specifically
indigenous
and
Youth
Tim.
This
check
is
but
one
step
in
an
ongoing
journey
of
reconciliation
and
I'm,
proud
to
present
it
to
you
today.
Marissa
youth
are
our
future
and
if
we
don't
provide
protection
and
support
to
those
who
need
it
today,
we
are
not
doing
all
we
can
to
ensure
they
are
the
leaders
of
tomorrow.
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E
You
hi
friends,
my
name
is
Tim
olon
I
am
one
of
the
co-founders
of
mamawi.
Together
we
are
a
community-based
Reconciliation
initiative
here
in
Ottawa.
We're
really
pleased
and
honored
to
receive
the
kind
gift
not
only
from
the
Ops
from
but
from
the
community
as
a
whole.
We
will
be
utilizing
this
money
to
kind
of
bring
ourselves
to
the
next
level.
We've
been,
you
know,
a
bunch
of
volunteers
for
the
last
12
years.
E
This
will
give
us
a
an
opportunity
to
hire
some
professional
help
and
expand
our
the
the
good
things
that
we
do
for
those
that
are
considering
an
opportunity
to
apply.
Please
do
this
kind
gift
from
the
community
would
really
help
you,
hopefully,
as
much
is
going
to
help
us
and
again
I
want
to
say.
Thank
you
very
much.
It's
been
a
great
journey
with
the
Ops
and
the
community,
and
we
just
look
forward
to
continuing
to
delivering
our
services
in
the
future.
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I'm
Marissa
Moore,
the
executive
director
with
U-turn
youth
support
services,
and
we
were
thrilled
to
be
selected
to
be
part
of
this
year's
Ottawa
Police
Services
Gala.
The
money
that
was
raised
this
year
will
specifically
go
to
help
our
next
chapter
program,
which
supports
youth
involved
in
human
trafficking
and
our
street
level
violence
program
to
also
support
Youth
and
Community.
Thank
you
so
much.
It
was
such
a
thrill
to
be
part
of
this.
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Hi
I'm
Nick
McCarthy
from
Beechwood
Cemetery,
the
Ottawa,
Police
cemetery
and
again
we're
proud
to
not
only
be
partners
with
Ops
but
proud
to
be
partners
with
the
Auto
police.
Gala
we'll
be
using
the
money
raised
this
year
to
really
enhance
the
Auto
police
Cemetery,
as
well
as
raise
some
flagpoles
to
really
honor
the
service,
the
history
and
the
legacy
of
the
Auto
police.
Again
Beechwood
is
always
there
to
provide
that
service
for
our
fallen
heroes
and
comrades.
Again,
thank
you
for
thank
you
to
the
community.
H
Is
just
so
great
to
hear
positively
impact
buy
funds
raised
through
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
Gala
I
have
been
so
honored
to
be
able
to
take
part
in
some
of
these
Galas
and
so
proud
of
the
fact
that
we
have
raised
over
a
million
dollars
for
worthy
organizations
in
the
past
decade
or
so,
and
we're
getting
to
that
point
when
we're
considering
the
next
round
of
organizations
who
are
going
to
benefit.
Tell
us
more
about
that.
I
Jeff
yeah:
that's
right
thanks
Catherine,
so
we
will
open
up
the
application
process
on
March
1st
of
this
year.
All
you
have
to
do
is
visit
our
website
at
Ottawa
police.ca
and,
if
you're,
a
local
Ottawa
based
charity
organization,
doing
important
work
for
those
that
really
benefit
from
it.
Here.
Please
take
a
moment
to
apply
and
we'll
hope
to
see
you
on
Saturday
November,
4th
2023
at
the
shaw
center,
so
take
a
moment
looking
forward
to
it
hope
to
see
you
there.
Thank
you.
A
Well,
that
was
great.
Thank
you
very
much
chief
for
sharing
that
video
with
us.
It's
such
a
great
event,
I've
been
to
the
gala
several
times,
and
not
only
is
it
fun
it's
it's
such
a
great
way
of
of
giving
back
into
our
community.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
that
presentation.
A
A
are
the
minutes
confirmed
confirmed.
Thank
you
all
right.
As
for
the
finance
and
audit
committee
meeting
giraffe
minutes
I'm
the
chair
of
this
committee,
the
committee
received
a
short
presentation
from
staff
on
the
draft
budget
at
our
last
meeting,
followed
by
public
delegations.
The
budget
is
before
the
board
for
approval
this
evening
that
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
Board,
received
this
item
for
information.
Is
the
item
received
received?
A
No
all
right!
Thank
you
public
delegations.
Now
we
have
some
public
delegations
registered
to
speak
today.
We
also
received
some
written
submissions
from
individuals
which
have
been
circulated
to
the
board
and
are
on
file
with
the
executive
director,
a
reminder
that
only
those
who
registered
and
were
approved
to
speak
will
be
permitted
to
address
the
board
when
I
call
your
name,
you
will
be
able
to
turn
on
your
mic
and
video.
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A
This
includes
refraining
from
using
unparliamentary
and
offensive
language,
as
well
as
making
allegations
against
members
of
the
police
service
or
even
members
of
this
board.
It
also
means
focusing
your
comments
on
the
topic
you
signed
up
to
speak
on.
I
will
not
tolerate
disrespectful
language
directed
at
anyone.
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K
Hello,
all
last
Thursday,
we
got
more
concrete
evidence
while
trying
to
reform
the
Auto
police
doesn't
work
and
it
never
will.
Researchers
with
the
tracking
Injustice
project
released
their
preliminary
data
on
police
involved
killings
in
Canada,
revealing
there
have
been
more
than
700
Police
use
of
force
use
of
force
death
in
Canada
since
the
year
2000.
K
K
The
incident
was
the
shooting
death
of
18
year
old,
Omar
Al
khalidi
near
an
Ottawa
community
housing
complex
in
response
to
Cleveland's
murder,
Ottawa
Police
staff
sergeant
Stephanie
Burns
was
quoted
as
saying
we
believe,
there's
no
risk
to
Public
Safety
at
this
time,
no
risk
to
Public
Safety.
What
members
of
the
public
is?
She
talking
about
all
right
young
men
like
Omar
members
of
the
public,
considering
we
seem
to
hear
about
young
men,
especially
young
black
men,
being
shot
every
few
months.
Isn't
there
a
risk
to
their
safety
or
was
Sergeant
Burns?
K
Not
talking
about
them?
Could
it
be
that
Sergeant
Burns
was
talking
about
different
members
of
the
public?
Could
she
have
met
members
of
the
public
who
live
in
neighborhoods
that
don't
have
lots
of
illegal
guns,
a
young
man
with
so
few
choices
they
choose
to
use
easily
available
guns
to
settle
disputes.
K
She
must
have
met
those
people
because
she
couldn't
have
been
been
telling
the
members
of
the
public
in
neighborhoods,
with
the
guns
that
there's
no
risk
to
them
at
this
time.
Unless
she
knows
something
that
we
don't
about.
What?
If
anything,
the
Opus
is
doing
to
reduce
the
number
of
guns
in
those
neighborhoods.
K
We
know
the
Ops
has
a
guns
and
gangs
unit
that
had
22
officers
as
of
last
year.
So
how
many
guns
did
the
guns
and
gang
units
seize
last
year,
especially
those
from
the
U.S?
We
asked
because
last
July
there
there
were
media
reports.
That
said
of
all
the
handguns
involved
in
crimes
in
Canada
that
were
traced
in
2021,
85
percent
came
from
the
U.S.
K
The
ops
website
did
say
that
the
Ops
is
one
of
21
partner
agencies,
along
with
its
partner
in
crime,
crime,
prevention,
Ottawa
that
developed
Ottawa,
Street
violence
and
gang
strategy.
What
the
website
didn't
mention
is
that
crime
prevention,
Ottawa
hired
HEPA
solutions
to
refresh
the
street
violence
and
gang
strategy
and
stood
by
the
contract
even
after
the
Hub
told
them.
We
had
credible
evidence
that
happened.
Solutions
owner
Hector
Edison
would
soon
be
charged
with
forgery,
which
he
now
has
been.
K
The
website
also
didn't
mention
that
the
first
key
finding
from
the
street
violence
and
gang
strategy
that
CPO
hired
happened
to
refresh
was
that
there
are
basically
no
gains.
It
says,
and
I
quote
rather
than
the
result:
a
well-organized
gang
focused
on
loyalty
and
turf
incidents
of
serious
Street
violence
appear
to
be
the
result
of
confidence
among
individuals
unquote.
K
K
This
board
has
lost
all
legitimacy
by
your
Draconian
attempts
to
limit
public
participation,
your
lack
of
transparency
and
by
member
Curry
spreading
misinformation.
The
police
budget
is
decreasing.
That's
why
we're
asking
all
City
councilors
to
vote
against
this
illegitimate
budget,
but
you
will
no
doubt
recommend
they
approve.
K
A
Sorry
about
that,
thanks,
Robin
colleagues,
do
you
have
any
questions
or
comments
for
Robin.
A
L
Member
Carr
hi
there,
Robin
I,
just
I,
just
want
to
assure
you
that,
as
the
ward
counselor
for
the
ward
in
which
the
young
man
was
killed
last
week,
I've
been
in
touch
with
both
the
community
that
he
was
killed
in
and
the
community
that
he
lived
in
and
I
just
want
to
assure
you,
the
you
know,
contrary
to
to
what
I
interpreted
that
there
was
there
was
I.
L
I
am
deeply
concerned
about
that,
and,
and
it
is
a
a
priority
for
me,
this
is
not
the
first
killing
in
my
community
of
young
racialized
people
and
I
just
want
to
show
you
that
it
is
something
that
is
very,
concerning
and
very
upsetting
to
me
and
I.
Just
wanted
to
to
mention
that.
Thank
you.
A
M
A
The
next
speaker
is
who
is
going
to
speak
on
complaints,
transparent
transparency,
motion
procedure,
bylaw
changes,
the
auditor
General's
report
and
our
fac
minutes
meeting.
So
with
that
Addie.
If
you'd
like
to
start
your
delegation.
N
Well,
I
feel
that
the
attempt
to
deny
me
equal
benefits
of
the
first
conference
rule
to
present
today
is
a
form
of
systemic
racism
and
misogyny,
because
that
would
have
excluded
violations
of
law
that
disproportionately
affect
indigenous
and
black
communities,
as
well
as
female
officers
in
Ottawa,
Ontario
and
North
America,
and
the
same
sentiments
apply
to
the
January
23rd
meeting
minutes,
which
excluded
replies
regarding
the
120
days,
transparency
motion
now
I
have
questions
for
the
chief
Justice.
N
Horrigan
was
very
clear
that
deliberately
misleading
the
public
and
the
board
is
malfeasance
and
also
section.
123
of
the
criminal
code
prohibits
influence
in
a
municipal
official
to
fail
to
perform
an
official
act
by
suppressing
the
truth
and
the
February
2
letter
that
I
received
from
the
chief
implies
that
he
cannot
Grant
requests
one
two
three
without
new
power
from
Ontario.
N
So
my
first
question
is:
can
you
tell
us
now,
do
you
have
police
act,
protection
of
the
public
Correctional
purposes
power
for
a
120
days,
the
identified
transparency
of
complaints.
N
N
N
So
why
the
rush
to
harm
the
community
I
would
like
to
assure
the
board
that
I'm,
not
a
black
liar
and
I,
feel
that
if
the
board
does
not
send
this
difference
of
opinion
to
the
commission,
then
it
appears
that
the
board
is
choosing
to
profit
from
lower
credibility.
Black
slave
trade
disadvantages.
N
My
fifth
and
final
question
on
February
15th.
The
chair
also
promised
to
ask
the
ag4
response
to
the
February
13
declarations:
will
the
ages
response
be
public
or
will
the
board
sort
of
cover
up
the
inevitable
AG
conclusion
that
cancel
and
ops-e
are
breaking
a
law
that
requires
a
joint
business
plan
before
March
31st
this
year?
A
A
O
P
P
Is
someone
just
wanted
to
make
sure?
So
thank
you
for
opening
the
floor
for
me
to
speak
today,
and
my
time
is
short.
So
I'll
get
right
to
it.
P
As
a
citizen
of
Ottawa
and
an
economist
by
profession,
I'm
very
concerned
with
a
very
short
time
frame
in
which
the
Ottawa
Police
tabled
its
budget
and
requested
feedback
from
his
citizens
and
made
overall
conclusions
and
is
now
proceeding
to
a
vote.
The
budget
was
stabled
on
February
1st
and
conclusions
were
written
down
and
presented
about
three
weeks
later.
How
can
substantive,
Community
feedback
be
obtained
in
such
a
short
period
of
time?
P
I
want
to
point
out
that
the
Ottawa
Police
itself
recognized
that
their
survey
only
obtained
about
500
responses
and
that
these
survey
responses
are
not
representative
of
the
Ottawa
resident
population.
Given
self-selection
bias
and
low
response
numbers
and
to
this
I
say
exactly
500
responses
represent
about
0.05
percent
of
the
population
of
Ottawa.
There
could
be
multiple
reasons
why
this
survey
obtains
such
a
low
number.
P
This
could
be,
of
course,
a
very
short
amount
of
time
that
the
police
opened
the
floor
for
feedback
from
the
community
and
also
the
way
in
which
the
survey
was
shared
and
targeted
in
online
platforms.
I'm
also
concerned
with
the
mention
of
one-on-one
discussions
as
being
part
of
the
Ottawa
Police
consultations
for
this
budget.
There
is
no
additional
information
that
was
shared
about
who
was
involved
in
these
one-on-one
discussions
or
what
or
what
questions
were
asked.
P
So
if
these
informal
conversations
were
with
colleagues,
family,
neighbors
and
Friends
of
a
predominantly
white
police
force,
then
the
views
expressed
in
those
one-on-one
meetings
will
be
concerning,
because
it
would
also
not
be
representative
of
the
population
of
the
city
of
Ottawa.
On
page
11
of
the
budget,
you
mentioned
that
you
receive
public
feedback
on
areas
of
concern
from
residents
across
the
city
and
some
of
those
include
violence
against
women,
sexual
assault,
mental
health
and
addictions.
P
And
then
you
immediately
concluded
that
increasing
the
number
of
police
officers
available
to
respond
to
these
concerns
is
a
priority
to
the
service.
I
would
like
to
challenge
that
conclusion
and
say
that
no,
you
do
not
need
to
increase
the
number
of
police
officers
to
respond
to
some
of
these
areas
of
concern,
particularly
with
regards
to
mental
health
checks
and
calls
for
incidents
involving
on
house
persons.
P
Most
police
officers
do
not
have
their
preparation
needed
to
deal
with
Mental,
Health
crisis
or
supporting
on
house
individuals.
Social
workers,
psychologists
and
other
professionals
with
training
in
this
will
do
a
better
job
of
responding
to
these
incidents,
and
this
could
help
detask
your
existing
police
force
and
user
time.
In
other
calls,
other
jurisdictions
have
found
significant
benefits,
including
cost
savings
from
reducing
the
amount
of
police
interaction
with
on-house
people.
P
We
must
adopt
Pilots
modeled
on
these
successful
projects,
rather
than
simply
assume
that
we
should
hire
more
police
officers
and
I
want
to
point
out
that
if
you
go
ahead
with
your
hiring
plan
of
approximately
80
new
police
officers
in
the
next
four
years,
Ottawa
will
be
well
above
the
national
Municipal
average
of
approximately
190
police
officers
per
100
000
people.
In
addition,
Ottawa
has
a
crime
rate
and
a
violent
crime
rate
below
the
national
average,
so
over
policing,
the
city
is
not
the
solution
to
many
of
the
concerns
of
the
citizens
of
Ottawa.
P
We
would
like
to
know
what
your
position
on
that
is,
as
most
citizens
would
agree,
that
suspended
officers
were
likely
suspended
for
a
reason
and
should
not
be
paid
pending
their
investigations
financially
compensating
officers,
while
they
are
relieved
from
their
duties
during
investigations,
will
not
help
deter
officers
from
engaging
in
questionable
conduct
and
practices.
Finally,
I
would
like
to
point
out
and
question
why
only
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
will
be
allocated
to
The,
Establishment
and
training
of
a
new
cyber
crime
unit.
P
Given
the
rising
numbers
of
scams
online,
cyber
bullying,
child
grooming,
bisexual
Predators,
identity
theft,
misinformation
and
right-wing
extremism
spreading
online,
the
establishment
of
a
cyber
crime
unit
should
be
a
priority
for
the
Ottawa
Police
and
should
receive
a
higher
budget
allocation
and
with
that
I
conclude.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time
and
I
welcome
any
of
your
questions.
A
B
B
We
were
assured
that
it
was
broadly
circulated
and
broadly
advertised
for
people
to
participate
in
that
survey.
I
would
just
point
out
to
you.
The
advantis,
Police
Service
benchmarks
for
2022
are
excellent
and
I've
had
a
chance
to
review
them.
I'm
sure
my
colleagues
did
have
it
as
well
and
there's
some
some
really
good
information
in
that
survey
and
it's
statistically
sound.
So
that's
that's
another
area
to
to
look
in
and
also
just
wanted
to
say.
P
For
sure
I,
you
know
I
understand
and
I.
Thank
you
for
your
comments.
Just
my
concern
is
that
to
receive
proper
Community
feedback
on
the
table
budget,
so
the
one
we're
talking
about
right
now,
another
one
from
2022
or
before,
should
you
should
allow
more
than
three
weeks
for
people
to
provide
feedback
on
a
document
that
is
over
100
pages
long
right?
So,
yes,
it
was
circulated,
but
people
have
lives,
and
things
like
that.
P
This
is
like
all
on
our
you
know
at
the
extra
time
like
I'm,
actually
teaching
right
now
and
I'm
taking
time
off
so
that
I
could
speak
to
you
so
and
in
the
community.
This
is
this
is
an
issue
right,
so
we
need
to
hear
from
more
people,
particularly
racialized
communities
that
have
more
negative
experiences
with
the
police
force.
So
that
is
a
concern.
I
hope
that
this
could
be
change
in
the
future
so
that
you
can
obtain
proper
feedback.
If
that
is
indeed
what
the
Ottawa
Police
Service
would
like
to
receive.
Thank
you.
L
Thank
you
Carly
for
your
delegation.
I
just
wanted
to
mention.
I
know
you
talked
about
the
issue
of
suspended
officers.
Receiving
pay
just
wanted
to
mention
that
we
did
discuss
it
at
the
last
meeting
and
it's
something
that
a
number
of
us
brought
up
and
you
know
that's
under
provincial
legislation,
but
just
wanted
to
I'm
sure
you
probably
know
that.
But
you
know
just
just
to
acknowledge
that
point
and
thanks
again
for
for
making
the
time
to
come
out
when
you're
teaching
appreciate
it.
A
Q
You
good
afternoon,
my
name
is
Robert
winka
and
I'm.
The
president
of
the
Federation
of
citizens,
associations,
we're
presenting
some
70
Community
groups
within
the
city
of
aurawa.
Our
members
meet
monthly
to
discuss
issues
of
low
Equity
concern
and
city-wide
issues
and
often
appeared
city
council
communities
where
appropriate.
To
present
our
members,
View
among
the
core
values
of
the
FCA
governs
itself
is
good
governance,
transparency
and
accountability.
We
believe
these
are
values
shared
by
our
city,
government,
of
which
you
are
a
part.
Q
Q
Important
police
policy
issues
and
providing
opportunity
for
citizens
to
speak
to
decision
makers
or
matters
before
them.
These
are
essential
components
of
what
makes
good
government
in
our
city
contributes
to
the
transparency
of
decision
making
and
ensures
accountability
of
decision
makers
for
the
actions
they
undertake
on
our
behalf,
The
Honorable
Police
Services
is
a
public
body
servicing
the
public
of
our
city.
It
is
funded
by
public
tax
dollars
and
is
accountable
to
the
public
for
the
actions
it
takes.
Q
Therefore,
it
is
important
that
it
remains
accessible
to
the
public
purpose
before
you
to
amend
public
delegation
procedure
by
removing
public
delegation
from
board.
Agendas
are
not
acceptable.
Hearing
from
public
from
the
public
is
part
and
parcel
of
the
responsibility
of
a
public
body.
The
city
of
Oliver
has
an
accountability
and
transparency
policy
that
underlines
open
government
through
public
access
to
open
meetings
and
the
ability
for
the
public
to
address
Council
committees
on
agenda
items.
This
policy
includes
the
other
Public
Library,
what
The
Other
Board
of
Health
and
other
community
housing.
Q
It
has
been
applied
there
to
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
Board
for
decades.
There
is
no
reason
to
change
this
further.
The
notion
of
giving
the
chair
of
the
other
Police
Services
Board
the
authority
to
determine
who
can
address
the
Ops
board
is
prepondent
and
contradicts
the
principle
of
public
access
to
the
Oliver
Police
Services
Board,
the
mayor
of
our
city,
does
not
determine
who
can
and
cannot
address
any
of
our
city
standing
for
it
is,
nor
do
the
chairs
of
those
committee
have
the
power.
Q
Why
should
the
chair
determine
who
can
or
cannot
address
their
Ops
board
its
Max
of
censorship?
It
is,
and
should
be,
the
right
of
any
citizen
to
speak
to
the
board
or
matters
before
it,
particularly
given
the
responsibility
of
the
board
regarding
Public
Safety.
The
Ops
board
would
be
wise
to
remember
that
is
the
public
body
accountable
to
the
public
and
hearing
from
the
public
as
it
deals
with
the
responsibility,
is
part
of
a
job.
Thank
you
for
the
ability
to
present
today.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
L
You
thank
you
and
thank
you
Robert
for
your
presentation.
I
am
I,
hear
your
point
on
the
delegations
being
separate.
I.
Think
we're
going
to
have
a
discussion
on
that
tonight
on
your
second
point,
I
think,
which
was
asking
having
to
have
the
chair's
permission
that
that's
not
new,
that's
not
new
in
the
proposed
by
law
that
was
in
the
previous
bylaw,
so
I'm
just
I'm
just
curious.
Why
you're
advocating
for
this
change?
L
Now
it's
the
same
for
police
boards
across
the
board
and
and
I
know
from
participating
in
the
FCA
before
that
you
guys
spend
a
lot
of
time
working
with
the
seven
years
organizations
that
you
represent
to
come
up
with
consensus,
so
I'm
I'm
just
interested
to
know
a
little
bit
of
the
background
on
the
work
that
you're
doing
with
respect
to
that
recommendation.
L
I
know
that
as
as
FCA,
you
would
know
that
there's
a
difference
between
the
council
committees
and
the
boards
and
that
you
know
in
the
case
of
a
board,
Assad's
members
are
appointed
to
the
police
boards
and
I
know.
You
stated
that
you
know
we
are
funded
by
the
municipality,
but
we're
not
we're.
Not
a
committee
we're
a
separate
and
distinct
entity,
of
course,
our
responsibilities
in
the
police
services
act
and
and
of
course,
our
board
has
a
focus.
L
It's
institutional
and
not
political
and
I'm
I'm
wondering
when
you
undertook
your
analysis
of
the
bylaws
that
if,
if
there
was
any
differentiation
made
between
public
participation
delegation
through
Council
committees
versus
boards
and
I'm,
also
wondering
with
respect
to
the
permission,
if
you'll
be
advocating
to
other
boards
to
change
the
processes
as
well,
because
when
I
look
at
like,
for
example,
Ottawa
Public
Library
board,
it's
request
for
permission
when
I
look
at
I
can't
remember
what
it's
called
it
I.
Just
looked
it
up
now
the
spark
Street
mall
authority.
Q
Not
yet,
but
we
are
open
to
do
so
now
that
there's
a
new
change
of
the
biological
table,
that's
very
dig
into
it
and
got
a
little
bit
more
informed.
What
is
possible?
Our
concern
is,
as
you
know,
we
are
representing
some
70
Community
associations.
If
I'm
bringing
up
an
unpleasant
topic
today
and
I
want
to
follow
up
the
next
time
and
the
board
or
the
chair
of
the
or
does
not
like
to
hear
it
again,
so
they
would
be
unfair
to
Our
Community
Association
not
to
be
hurt
again.
Q
So
it's
not
that
we
are
just
one
Association
who
is
bringing
out
something
via
tabling
something
for
70
committee,
Association
I
think
we
should
have
the
providerable
voice
and
just
normal
entity.
L
B
Chair
I,
just
just
a
point
of
clarification.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation.
B
What
what
I
want
to
clarify
is
we're
not
asking
right
now,
or
at
least
not
being
proposed
that
we're
removing
delegations
from
the
agenda
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
that's
clear
I
think
what's
being
proposed
is
that
the
delegate
public
delegation
will
take
place
in
advance
of
the
meeting
and
will
take
place
virtually
so.
B
Clarify
because
I
I
heard
you
mention
that
that
your
concern
is
removed,
that
public
delegation
is
being
removed
from
the
public
from
the
from
the
public
agenda
and
that's
not
the
case.
So
can
you
just
comment
on
that?.
Q
And
my
comment
would
be
that
at
the
pre-meeting,
as
I
would
call
it
I
won't
yeah
noon
for
the
one
hour
towards
the
meeting
one
hour.
Sometimes
it's
not
enough
to
hear
all
delegations,
and
not
all
members
of
the
police
officers,
would
have
to
be
attending
these
meetings.
So
for
me
for
our
groups,
it's
also
important
that
we
have
the
world
the
audience
of
the
whole
board
and
also
the
police
staff.
B
No,
so
just
so
I
understand,
so
your
preference
is
to
to
have
it
within
the
public
within
the
agenda
that
starts
and
and
keep
it
within
that
agenda.
Perfect.
Q
B
And
if
it's,
if
it
means
it's
an
in-person
meeting,
then
the
delegations
would
be
in
person
and
if
it's
a
virtual
meeting
then
then
it
would
happen
virtually.
Q
L
S
Thank
you,
Robert
for
your
presentation,
I.
Just
on
the
last
point
you
made
not
all
members
of
the
Police
Services
Board
have
to
attend
any
meeting
of
the
Police
Services
Board
right.
So
it's
the
the
reference
to
a
minimum
number
of
people
attending
the
delegation
portion
is
simply
reiterating
the
requirement
to
have
Purim
at
any
meeting
of
the
Police
Services
Board.
S
So
it's
not
intended
to
suggest
that
only
a
certain
number
of
people
would
be
attending
the
delegation
presentation
it's
to
suggest
that
a
minimum
number
of
people
have
to
be
there
or
it's
not
a
meeting
of
the
Police
Services
Board.
So
the
same
rule
would
apply
to
this
meeting
or
any
other
meeting
of
the
Police
Services
Board.
Wherever
delegates
would
would
be
presenting
there
would
there
would
have
to
be
a
minimum
number
of
board
members
present,
and
that's
all
that
that
was
stating
thank.
Q
A
A
All
right.
Thank
you
very
much
Robert
for
your
presentation
very
informative.
Thank
you.
We'll
go
to
the
next
person,
Meryl
aduli,
who
will
speak
to
us
on
surveillance
equipment
such
as
alpr
and
body
cameras
Merrell
the
floor
is
yours,.
T
A
O
T
T
Right
so
I,
like
many
other
delegates
and
residents
of
the
city,
want
to
see
a
freeze
in
the
place
budget
and
for
me,
it's
especially
because
of
a
part
of
the
when
it
comes
to
like
the
subsidizing
surveillance
technology,
specifically
body
camels,
which
are
cameras
which
I
see
as
a
heedless
request.
T
Quite
frankly,
most
of
the
research
done
on
whether
or
not
body,
A,
Worn,
cameras,
prevent
or
reduce
police
brutality
shows
comes
from
the
United
States
and
all
the
evidence
shows
that
they
do
not
increase
police
accountability
and
are
regarded
as
being
ineffective
in
solving
police
brutality.
T
I
then
looked
into
research
done
here
in
Canada
and
it
kind
of
just
followed
the
same
Trend,
which
just
says
that
yeah
body
cameras
do
not
stop
the
police
from
the
use
of
force
and
because
of
our
privacy
laws.
Here
in
Canada,
it's
much
more
of
an
arduous
process
to
receive
access
to
body
camera
footage
when
compared
to
the
United
States,
especially
especially
when
we
want
to
make
that
footage
public,
which
is
extremely
important
for
individuals
who
want
to
get
the
public
on
their
side
for
a
specific
circumstances.
T
Right
so
there's
a
case
in
Toronto
from
August
2021,
in
which
a
black
University
student
named
Hassani
Ogilvy
was
mistaken
for
someone
else
by
police.
He
was
tackled.
He
had
the
neon
neck
method
used
on
him
and
then
he
was
tasered
and
his
lawyer
described
the
footage
as
being
shocking
and
horrifying,
and
the
lawyer
wanted
the
public
to
see
it.
T
But
then
the
police
refused
to
release
the
footage
and
the
lawyer
was
contacted
by
Freedom's
information
coordinator
who
worked
for
the
police,
who
told
him
the
reason
why
the
footage
couldn't
be
released
was
because
the
footage
was
what
couldn't
be
released
publicly
was
because
it
raised
some
internal
labor
concerns
in
like
with
reference
to
the
police
officer,
who
was
involved,
which
then
a
whole
bunch
of
professors
came
out.
T
Professors
of
criminology
came
out
and
said
that
it's
actually
quite
common
for
police
officers
to
not
only
withhold
information
or
footage
that
makes
them
look
bad,
but
they
also
release
footage
that
depicts
them
in
a
positive
light,
and
this
was
also
backed
by
another
Canadian
Professor
Dr
Elena
sonier,
who
has
done
tons
of
research
in
police,
brutality
and
body
cameras
in
both
Canada
and
United
States
and
like
apart
from
the
Foy
laws,
making
it
hard
for
people
to
receive
this
footage.
T
We
also
have
to
take
into
account
the
fact
that
there
are
no
laws
in
place
right
now
in
Canada
for
police
officers
to
follow
to
abide
by
when
it
comes
to
the
body
cameras,
there's
guidelines
in
place
by
the
IPC,
but
these
guidelines,
the
IPC
themselves,
say,
aren't
enough
and
that
Police
Services
should
make
their
own
right
and
I
looked
into
the
other
modes
of
surveillance.
T
The
Auto
police
uses
specifically
the
alprs,
which
are
also
part
of
the
agenda
this
evening,
and
you
guys
have
no
public
information
provided
about
how
you
guys
use
them,
because
the
alpr
is
have
inaccuracies
within
them.
The
company
that
makes
them
says
so
and
so
does
the
IPC
and
I
don't
know
what
you
guys
do
when
you
guys
get
a
hit
and
it
turns
out
to
not
be
an
accurate
hit
on
an
individual
right.
T
So
I
just
don't
feel
comfortable
with
you
guys
spending
four
hundred
thousand
dollars
on
body
cameras.
When
you
know
with
five
alprs
you
couldn't,
you
can
give
the
public
any
information
about
how
you
guys
work
when
there's
a
a
problem
arises
or
anything
like
that.
T
So
yeah,
five
alpr
cameras
and
now
you're
gonna
get
32
new
ones,
which
means
there's
gonna,
be
47.
So
I
don't
know
I,
just
there's,
no
trust
I,
don't
trust
the
police
I
I
just
would
like
to
see
you
guys
make
better
Solutions
and
not
just
rely
on
surveillance
technology
and
putting
all
your
eggs
basically
in
one
basket.
T
A
U
Great,
thank
you
I'm
here
today.
You
know
to
once
again
speak
to
this
budget
increase
see
before
us
today
on
the
budget.
You
know,
I
I've
said
most
of
what
I
wanted
to
say
in
the
finance,
not
a
committee,
so
I
won't
be
too
long
today,
but
you
know
what
bear
is
repeating
here.
You
know
it's
unconscionable
that
you
know
many
of
you
sitting
around
this
table
would
mislead
the
public
and
spread
the
myth
of
this
budget
is
decreasing
even
after
we
called
it
out
in
the
last
meeting.
U
You
know,
I've
still
been
seeing
residents
who
have
been
telling
us
and
others
that
so
I'm
sitting
around
this
table
today
are
sending
emails,
saying
that
the
budget
is
increasing.
It's
just
not
the
case.
You
all
very
well
know
that
this
budget
is
not
decreasing
and
the
fact
that
you're
using
you
know
twisting
this
narrative
in
order
to
force
another
budget
increase.
U
Tell
us
what
you
know
all
that
we
need
to
know,
and
it's
important
that
you
know
if
we're
doing
these
surveys
and
all
these
things
that
that
that
that
you
know
there's
accountability
and
transparency
here
when
we're
discussing
and
not
having
leading
conversations
and
and
discussions.
You
know
the
counselors
around
this
table
and
the
mayor
all
purport
to
care
about
ailing
our
ailing
Social
Services
in
the
city
and
they
even
supposedly
show
when
they
go
volunteer
with
the
mission
or
or
when
they
participate
in
the
coldest
night
of
the
year
event.
U
But
you
know
this
means
absolutely
nothing
when
you
continue
to
use
policing
solutions
to
solve
homelessness
and
reject
any
increases
to,
for
example,
the
affordable
housing
budget
doesn't
matter
if
you're
we're
on
the
board
of
a
charity
or
you
were
on
the
board
of
the
hospital
or
whatever.
If
you
continue
to
vote
and
to
increase
the
police
budget
at
the
expense
of
all
the
social
services
in
this
city,
and
that
means
absolutely
nothing.
U
Over
the
weekend,
a
Community
member
shared
a
story
by
the
homeless
person
getting
kicked
out
of
the
Rito
LRT
station
by
six
armed
police
officers.
Six
armed
police
officers,
of
course,
this
man
had
nowhere
to
go
and
was
forcibly
removed
back
into
the
cold.
Imagine
the
services
we
could
provide
if
we
use
the
thousands
of
dollars
we
spent
for
this
time.
U
Stigmatizing
a
homeless
man
on
actual
services
or
or
is
this
approach
that
you
know
mayor
Sutcliffe,
believes
in
quote:
moving
homeless
people
along
as
as
his
new
director
of
policy
Callan
McCluskey,
so
eloquently
put
it
at
the
last
police
board
meeting
in
October.
U
You
know
what
what
I'm
speaking
of
is
is
the
exact
example
and
result
of
what
happens
when
too
much
money
goes
towards
police
instead
of
actual
Solutions
like
housing
like
safe
injection
sites
like
money
for
food,
sipins
Etc
and
you
know,
on
the
efficiencies
being
made
in
this
budget,
the
the
five
hundred
thousand
dollars
inefficiencies,
that's
apparently
being
made,
is
actually
money,
that's
being
reinvested
into
the
police
budget.
You
know
to
hire
staff
to
look
at
the
growth
requirements
or
whatever
it
is.
U
We
don't
see
the
same
thing
happening
to
the
transit
budget.
For
example,
the
47
million
deficiencies
is
not
being
reinvested
into
the
budget,
so
even
when
the
police
are
asked
to
tighten
their
belts,
they
can't
even
pretend
to
do
that.
I
I,
don't
I!
You
know
and
I
want
to
know.
If
the
mayor's
privatization
on
austerity
working
group
ends
up
saying,
we
should
cut
the
police
budget
if
he
would
honor
that
you
know.
Why
is
every
service
in
the
city
subject
to
austerity,
except
for
the
police?
U
And
you
know,
frankly,
you
know
I'm
I'm,
tired,
as
everyone
else
speaking
today
is
coming
here
year
after
year,
advocating
for
something
that
many
of
us
have
been
advocating
for
which
is
you
know,
Common
Sense,
to
to
spend
more
on
preventing
problems
rather
than
reacting
to
them
and
and
quite
frankly,
frustrated
at
the
continue
continual
you
know,
marginalization
that
that
that
that
this
board
and
and
police
continue
to
engage
in
saying
that
the
opinions
of
of
those
of
us
who
speak
here
today
or
or
or
or
who
come
to
counselor
consultations
are
not
reflective
of
people
in
the
community.
U
As
we
said
before,
we
are
people
who
live
in
this
community.
We
are
neighbors
in
this
community
and
residents
in
this
community
and
our
opinions
matter
and,
and
they
reflect
a
broad
view
of
people
here
and
just
a
small
comment
on
the
bylaws
I
know.
I
said
I
would
just
speak
to
the
budget.
I
just
wanted
to
briefly
speak
to
that
today.
U
Of
course,
you
know
we
we've
said
what
we
wanted
to
say
in
large
part
about
that.
But
the
proposals
today
about
about
the
bylaws
are
heavily
limit.
Public
participation,
and
you
know
to
to
other
points
that
that
members
of
the
sport
have
made.
You
know
not.
Every
board
acts
in
the
same
way
as
these
bylaws
would
would
allow,
for
example,
another
in
other
boards
in
in
the
city.
U
Another
commit
committees,
you
are
not
required
to
you
know,
give
all
the
contents
of
what
you
have
to
say
before
you
before
you
say
it.
So
there's
a
lot
of
stuff
in
here
that
would
really
heavily
limit
participation.
I
really
hope.
There's
some
at
least
some
compromises
today
to
ensure
that
there's
still
a
good
amount
of
public
participation,
at
least
in
these
meetings
that
that
take
place
thanks
thanks
very
much.
B
So
I
I,
thank
you.
Sam
I
just
want
to
say
that
listen,
you're
input
and
everyone's
input
that
comes
to
the
board
is
very
important
and
it
is
one
of
the
considerations
we
have
so
I.
Don't
think
you
should
go
and
say
that
you
know
your
input
is
not
important.
I
think
that's
what
you
were
coming
saying
is
the
way
I
read
it.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
point
soon.
U
I
I
appreciate
that,
but
but
the
continuous
actions
of
of
this
board
and
past
actions
don't
reflect
that.
But
thank
you.
Anyways
representative.
O
A
V
Please
go
ahead.
Okay,
thank
you
for
having
me
here
today,
I'm
here,
to
urge
you,
as
a
member
of
this
community
and
a
public
servant
myself
to
freeze
the
police
budget
as
it
is
and
not
increase
it.
Any
further.
Public
Safety
Services
could
be
would
be
better
spent
elsewhere,
like
community
housing
and
homelessness.
V
Other
social
support
services
like
safe
injection
sites.
It's
important
that
the
department
stays
accountable
for
its
wrongdoings
rather
than
continuing
doing
the
same.
The
same
support
subpar
Community
Support,
it's
failing
surrounding
the
Convoy,
the
most
importantly,
the
continued
discrimination
against
racial
racialized
community
members,
Ops
and
the
board
have
failed
to
be
transparent
and
accountable
and
continue
to
tell
us
that
this
budget
is
decreasing.
V
So
that's
another
point
that
I've
been
very
frustrated
with
so
I
personally,
I
live
in
Center
Town
and
the
police
did
not
help
me
feel
safer
and
did
not
prevent
hate
crimes
from
occurring
against
the
lgbtq
plus
community
and
racialized
communities.
For
a
month
during
the
Convoy
protest
last
year,
I
did
not
feel
safe,
leaving
my
house
I
didn't,
feel
safe,
getting
groceries
and
it
was
a
period
of
time
that
was
very
difficult
for
me
and
I.
Don't
think
that
was
something
to
do
to
budget.
V
This
was
due
to
the
decisions
made
by
leadership.
Okay,
again,
I
think
we're
all
pretty
clear
on
that,
based
on
the
reports
that
come
out
additionally,
I
in
my
neighborhood
there's
a
fair
amount
of
theft
and
a
fair
amount
of
things
that
occur
and
I,
don't
think
having
increased
police
and
increased
surveillance
would
help.
There
I
think
that
a
lot
of
things
that
are
occurring
are
because
people
are
displaced
and
cars
are
getting
broken
into.
Homes
are
getting
broken
into,
because
people
are
put
in
very
desperate
situations.
V
I
myself
and
my
roommate
had
kind
of
dealt
with
an
issue
with
a
harassment
from
someone
who
had
been
kicked
out
of
the
Shepherds
of
good
hope.
He
had
recognized
my
roommate
because
she
volunteered
there
quite
frequently-
and
one
even
had
tried
to
follow
her
into
our
building
and
wouldn't
leave
this
the
space,
and
eventually
we
did
have
to
call
the
police
who
all
they
could
do
was
remove
him
from
this
space.
But
this
man
had
nowhere
to
go
so
he's
returned
on
multiple
occasions
and
I.
V
Don't
really
blame
him?
There's
a
nice
warm
spot
in
my
building
where
he
can
sleep
and
he's
been
rejecting
projected
from
all
the
schvelers,
so
some
of
that
family
go
to
him.
However,
if
we
spent
more
on
Housing
Services,
he
would
have
somewhere
to
go
and
somewhere
to
be
and
support
rather
than
coming
in
and
making
other
people
feel
unsafe
again.
I
do
not
blame
this
man
I
blame
the
fact
that
we
continue
to
put
money
towards
Police
Services
when
they
could
be
put
towards
helping
people
and
helping
the
most
vulnerable
people
in
this
community.
V
The
budget
is
supposed
to
work
for
everyone
and,
during
the
election,
I
heard
a
lot
from
candidates,
including
the
mayor,
talking
about
change
and
how
Ottawa
city
is
going
to
be
run
differently,
but
this
budget
and
the
increase
in
police
services
is
absolutely
much
of
the
same.
It's
incredibly
disappointing,
but
I
do
not
believe
that
the
budget
is
set
to
help
people
and
the
people
who
need
it
most
in
the
community.
V
A
This
horrible
Habit
now
that
I
have
of
lifting
my
microphone
off
because
I'm
coughing
so
I
apologize
I.
Thank
you
for
your
delegation
and
I.
Don't
see
any
hands
up,
so
we
don't
have
any
questions
for
you
at
this
time,
but
thank
you
for
coming.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
W
Last
month,
I
spoke
to
this
board
about
the
proposed
changes
to
the
bylaws
that
will
impact
how
residents
can
show
up
in
this
space
and
I
asked
if
you
were
feeling
good
about
those
changes,
considering
how
you
all
claim
to
uphold
principles
of
transparency
and
accountability.
So
I'll,
ask
again:
are
you
feeling
good
about
these
proposed
changes?
W
W
Have
you
heard
that
repetitive
ask,
or
did
you
just
focus
on
the
asks
that
you
agree
with
or
no
sorry
I?
Guess
you
appoint
those
who
make
ask
for
more
cops,
your
director
of
policy
I?
Don't
really
have
much
more
to
say
today,
except
to
repeat
the
call
to
freeze
or
reduce
this
bloated
budget.
At
the
very
least,
you
should
be
removing
any
line
items
related
to
new
surveillance,
Tech
like
body
cams,
because
once
again
the
evidence
doesn't
work
in
your
favor
to
support
that
request.
W
As
we
saw
last
year,
we
could
see
an
even
greater
diversion
of
resources
to
non-police
mental
health
or
non-police
responses
to
mental
health
and
other
identified
pillars
of
community
safety
and
well-being,
and
on
that
note,
I
want
to
end
my
remarks
today
by
sharing
a
message
from
mothers
offering
Mutual
support
for
moms
a
support
group
for
women
who
have
incarcerated
family
members
in
provincial
and
federal
jails.
They
asked
me
to
share
the
following
with
you.
W
We
support
a
fully
funded
non-police
crisis
team
to
respond
to
the
emergencies
related
to
mental
health
situation,
in
the
hope
that
people
with
mental
health
challenges
will
be
directed
to
an
appropriate
mental
health
facility,
rather
than
be
incarcerated
by
default.
In
our
experience,
too
many
cases
of
trauma
related
to
use
of
force
by
police
have
come
to
light
recently.
A
X
X
X
I
am
a
very
high
user
of
Mental
Health
Services
in
the
city,
and
there
is
really
nothing
left
for
me
to
use
just
last,
Thursday
I
had
police
at
my
door
again,
incidentally,
this
officer
that
came
who's
normally
a
complete
jerk
to
me
was
nice,
so
that
was
a
bit
of
a
change.
I
think
he
was
nice
because
he
realized
that
it
was
coming
through.
The
ambulance
is
so
he
understood
where
the
call
was
coming
from.
X
He
just
left
me
alone,
but
after
that
the
ambulance
came,
the
paramedics
came
so
I
had
two
police
officers
who
came
then
I
had
three
paramedics
come
and
then
the
when
the
paramedics
are
here.
They
sort
of
put
you
in
a
position
where
they're,
like
you
really
should
talk
to
the
Mental
Health
crisis
team
and
they
don't
like
to
give
you
an
out.
X
They
want
you
to
talk
to
the
Mental
Health
crisis
team
and
if
you
say
no,
it
becomes
a
bit
of
a
it
kind
of
start
arguing
with
them,
so
they
I'm
like
fine
I'll
talk
to
them.
So
then
I
had
two
people
come
into
my
apartment
and
they
asked
if
they
could
open
a
file
with
me
all
right.
Fine,
because
that's
the
process,
they
open
a
file,
and
then
they
talk
to
me
and
then
someone
will
call
me
the
next
day
who
is
part
of
the
mental
health.
X
X
I
find
this
happens
frequently
with
me
and
I'm
sure
that
I'm,
not
the
only
person
who
experiences
these
types
of
situations,
where
someone
who
is
in
crisis
is
suddenly
the
problem
right.
It
is
not.
It
is
not
the
person
who
is
there
who's
tasked
to
help
us
that
is
actually
trying
to
help.
It
is
us,
that's
the
problem,
it's
the
person
who
is
unhoused.
That
is
the
problem.
It
is
the
person
who
needs
Addiction
Services.
That
is
the
problem,
and
we
keep
hearing
that
over
and
over
and
over
again.
X
X
So
the
funding,
some
of
it
sure,
probably
comes
from
the
province
but
I
think
a
lot
of
the
funding
comes
to
the
city
and
when
we're
increasing
budgets
for
policing
which
doesn't
help,
where
are
they?
Where
are
they
getting
their
funding
from
they're,
not
getting
it
and
they
need
it
now
they
need
it.
X
For
somebody
like
me,
I
need
it
now
because,
what's
going
to
happen,
is
I'm
facing
homelessness
for
a
second
time,
I'm
very
likely
going
to
lose
my
apartment,
I
very
likely
will
end
up
at
Chefs,
because
that's
the
only
place
that
has
the
capacity
to
deal
with
someone
who
is
very
high
needs.
Cornerstone
cannot
they've
admitted
that
to
me
in
the
past
they
can't
they
don't
just
don't
have
the
staff
to
deal
with
someone
who
is
has
high
needs
who's
autistic
who's
who's
got
a
lot
of
issues
right.
X
They
don't
have
the
staff,
they
would
love
to
help,
but
they
don't
have
the
staff.
So
they
put
me
in
the
women's
special
health
program,
which
is
run
with
in
combination
with
Inner
City
Health
through
chefs,
and
that
is
the
one
shelter
the
one
shelter
that
I
can
go
to.
There
are
no
other
places
for
me
to
go.
If
I
lose
my
housing.
Do
you
really
think
that
that's
the
best
place
for
me
to
be
is
a
is
a
shelter
when
you
could
put
money
into
Social
Services
I
mean
like
I'm.
X
X
That
would
prevent
this
from
happening
to
me
and
to
hundreds,
maybe
thousands
of
other
citizens
in
the
city
and
you're
probably
going
to
choose
not
to
and
that
I
don't
understand,
I
can't
understand
and
it
it
makes
me
someone
who's.
So
desperate.
Just
it's
why
people
choose
made?
That's
why
a
lot
of
us
choose
made
it's
a
become.
X
It's
become
something
of
desperation
because
we're
just
like
we
have
nothing
else.
So
I
guess
it's
I!
Guess
we're
just
gonna
end
our
lives
then,
and
then
people
can't
handle
that
conversation.
Well.
What
do
you
expect
me
to
do
be
homeless,
be
poor
and
then
deal
with
cops
when
I'm
in
the
shelter.
M
X
A
X
A
A
Y
Y
All
right,
hello,
everybody
to
start
off
I
also
would
like
to
know
the
answer
to
the
question
that
Aaron,
asked
and
I
would
I
would
love
each
of
you
any
of
you
to
make
a
statement
about
whether
you
think
that
this
is
the
best
allocation
of
funds
that
the
city
could
have
if
this
budget
is
the
best
that
we
can
do.
Y
I
think
that's
an
important
question
that
it
is
your
responsibility
not
to
look
away
from
I
Echo
the
calls
of
this
board
to
freeze
the
budget
and
hold
mayor
and
members
that
Cliff
to
his
promise
of
the
line
by
line
audit
of
all
budgets,
including
this
one,
and
not
to
pass
a
new
one
until
this
audit
is
complete
reading
through
the
budget
report,
it's
apparent
that
the
Ops
budget
is
politically
motivated,
written
without
evidence
or
proper
citation.
Y
Y
Y
Y
The
mental
health
guiding
group
demonstrates
the
the
failures
of
this
organization
to
understand
the
size
of
change
needed.
A
guiding
group
cannot
report
lead
directly
to
the
police,
given
that
the
goal
of
the
group
is
to
rely
on
the
police
less,
then,
why
is
the
group
only
logistically
tied
to
the
police?
Why
is
the
guidance
group
using
total
Traditions
when
we
were
on
traditional
and
anushinabe
territory?
Y
Y
Y
Finally,
the
members
of
this
board
can
say
that
they
prioritize
the
well-being
of
racialized
Youth
but
systematically
that
doesn't
do
anything
with
the
unpacking
of
challenges
that
they
face.
It
doesn't
change
the
amount
of
police
and
non-profit
Partners,
who
subject
youth
to
surveillance
and
teach
them
about
the
exact
toxic
power,
Dynamic
Dynamics
and
violence
that
we
allegedly
want
to
get
youth
away
from.
Y
A
A
Okay,
I,
don't
I,
don't
see
Miranda
up
on
the
screen.
A
Z
Okay,
good
afternoon
I'm
going
to
be
talking
to
two
budget
items,
one
of
them
the
bylaw
Amendment
and
then
the
second.
The
budget.
So
I'd
like
to
First
speak
about
item
9.4.
The
proposed
bylaw
amendments
that,
if
approved,
would
work
to
make
these
spaces
less
accessible
for
public
delegates
and
Shifting
the
nature
of
the
purpose
of
these
public
delegations.
Z
The
business
of
the
board
that
we
hear
about
comes
down
to
ensuring
that
safety
needs
are
met
in
the
community
and
shouldn't
come
at
the
cost
of
ignoring
erasing
and
speaking
over,
the
voices
who
are
highlighting
that
the
current
system
systems
do
not
offer
that
outcome
for
many
community
members.
In
justifying
these
amendments,
you
highlighted
that
many
community
members
don't
feel
comfortable
with
the
board's
current
environment.
Z
You
bring
up
the
various
calls
for
service
the
different
priority
categories,
the
wait
times
and
refuse
to
talk
about
the
clearance
rates
that
are
publicly
available
on
the
ops's
website.
The
clearance
rate
is
one
of
the
success
measures
that
Ops
uses
to
indicate
whether
or
not
they're
doing
Public
Safety.
All
it
indicates
is
whether
or
not
someone
was
charged
or
if
the
issue
was
cleared.
Z
Otherwise,
death
of
a
person
who
was
accused
diplomatic
immunity,
the
accused
being
less
than
12
years
of
age,
diversionary
programs
or
the
complainant
declining
to
lay
charges
so
just
to
be
clear.
The
best
they
can
do
is
not
recovering
the
goods
that
someone
might
have
lost.
It's
not
protecting
your
property,
it's
not
preventing
the
harm
from
happening,
and
it's
not
supporting
survivors,
because,
as
many
highlighted
laying
charges
and
prison
police
and
the
court
system
don't
actually
resolve
violence,
they
displace
it
and
they
continue
violence.
Z
You
continue
to
justify
the
increase
using
the
police
per
population
ratio
to
justify
and
expand.
If
we
suspend
our
disbelief
long
enough
to
pretend
that
police
are
themselves,
these
exceptional,
lawful
citizens,
how
many
more
do
you
think
are
needed
to
get
rid
of
crime?
What's
your
vision
for
this,
will
you
be
content
once
there
is
a
cop
following
everyone
around
in
their
day-to-day
Affairs?
Do
you
want
a
cop
outside
of
each
home?
Do
you
want
to
cop
inside
of
each
home?
Where
do
you
cap
that
amount?
Z
I
think
a
former
delegate
said
everything
I
need
to
about
the
surveillance
Tech
that
you
plan
on
approving
the
600
600k
for
alpr
cameras
and
then
the
400k
for
the
police
body
cams
that
are
costed
out
in
the
15.2
million
dollar,
increase
that
they're
asking
for
their
operating
budget.
But
that
is
something
you
have
the
power
to
stop
today.
Thank
you.
A
B
Thank
you,
Fernandez.
It's
related
to
the
bylaw
Amendment
and
I
just
want
to
be
clear
that
so,
if
we
move
the
public
delegations
back
to
the
board
meeting,
you
would
be
supportive
of
that.
So
take
a
remove
the
virtual
and
simply
go
to
part
of
the
board
meeting.
Z
So
I
would
be
supportive
of
two
things:
I
think
if
you
did
bring
it
back
to
the
regular
meeting,
so
that
those
delegations
are
still
part
of
the
regular
meeting.
That
would
be
a
good
thing.
I,
don't
think
removing
the
virtual
option
has
to
happen.
I,
don't
think
it
has
to
be
either
or
I
think
you
could
provide
virtual
options
for
people
who
want
to
tune
in
from
other
like
places,
and
they
can't
show
up
to
City
Hall
to
do
their
delegations
in
person.
Z
I
think
there's
enough
technology
available
in
the
rooms
that
they
hold
these
meetings
for
that
to
be
facilitated,
but
I
also
don't
like
the
amendment
that
would
cap
delegates
at
12
people,
although
I
think
the
average
delegation
sign
up
list
is
12
people,
so
it's
not
like
it
would
impact
it
significantly,
but
I
don't
think
putting
that
cap
in
writing
is
a
good
idea
and
then
I
also
don't
agree
with
not
allowing
recurring
delegates
to
come.
Z
Speak
I
think
that
is
opens
people
up
that,
like
have
a
lot
to
say,
I
come
all
the
time
and
I
don't
want
to
have
to
wait
three
months
to
speak.
I.
Think
five
minutes
is
a
short
enough
time
to
allow
people
to
do
that.
Monthly.
A
I
I
have
a
question
for
you
too
farnes
I'm
wondering
what
what
do
you
not
like
about
the
idea
of
the
delegations
being
at
lunchtime?
A
Do
you
not
think
that
that
would
be
perhaps
a
more
suitable
time
for
people
to
to
join
the
meeting,
because
at
this
time,
I
know
that
it's
difficult
for
families
if
children
are
coming
home
from
school
and
that
sort
of
thing
so
I'm
just
wondering
I'm
curious?
Why
you
don't
like
the
lunch
hour
time
slot.
Z
I
mean
for
one
like
whenever
we
sign
up
to
do
these
delegations,
you
kind
of
have
to
allocate
at
least
an
hour
an
hour
half
to
wait
by
the
phone
or
the
computer
to
wait
until
it's
your
turn
to
delegate
and
I
think
asking
people
to
spend
an
hour
or
whatever
their
lunch
time
is
to
do.
That
is
also
asking
for
a
lot
I.
Think
if
you
want
to
offer
both
times,
that's
a
possibility.
I,
don't
think
you're
going
to
do
that,
but
that
way
it
gives
flexibility
to
both
groups.
Z
A
Z
These
space
are
a
good
space
for
civic
engagement
and,
like
speaking
about
these
issues,
to
like
both
you
but
also
a
larger
audience
and
I
think
separating
it
will
prevent
us
from
having
that
discussion
in
like
a
more
public
way
right.
A
Okay,
thanks
very
much
I,
don't
see
any
other
hands
up
all
right,
so
we'll
go
to
the
next
delegation,
Bailey
Gucci,
who
will
speak
on
the
budget
Bailey
the
floor
is
yours.
N
AA
Sweet
nice
to
see
you
all
again:
okay,
so
I'm,
just
gonna
get
into
this,
so
I
signed
up
today
to
talk
to
you
guys
about
the
budget
item
specifically
again,
I
wanted
to
touch
on
from
last
time
about
the
paid
suspensions
and
the
line
items.
I
didn't
really
get
enough
clarification
last
time
and
it
kind
of
skirted
around
the
issue
a
little
bit.
AA
So
what
I'd
like
is
for
this
board
and
Ops
to
clarify
the
exact
amount
in
the
budget,
like
the
line
item
where
the
paid
suspensions
are
being
put
and
I
also
want
to
know
why
the
Ops
and
the
board
I
know
you
guys
said
that
you're
in
talks
about
like
the
policies
and
advocating
and
stuff
like
this
to
change
those
policies,
since
the
paid
suspensions
are
soaking
up
a
lot
of
the
budget,
especially
with
the
litigation
which
has
no
transparency.
AA
People
don't
know
why
these
officers
are
spended
due
to
like
publication
bans
and
privacy
issues,
but
the
fact
of
the
matter
is:
if
people
knew
about
these
things,
they'd
be
a
lot
more
upset
about
it
and
they
probably
wouldn't
they'd,
also
probably
be
advocating
for
the
not
paying
for
these
people,
and
the
thing
is
when
you
drag
it
out
like
that,
it's
not
only
is
it
a
huge
strain
on
the
budget,
it's
also
promoting
and
encouraging
misconduct,
because
they
know
they're
going
to
get
away
with
it.
AA
So
basically,
I
just
want
to
know
again
what
you
guys
are
planning
to
do
this
year,
specifically
in
terms
of
advocating
a
provincial
level
to
get
those
things
changed
and
I
also
wanted
to
know
about
that.
On
that
vein,
with
the
Ottawa
Police
Association,
even
though
I
know,
that
is
a
separate
entity
from
the
police
and
a
separate
entity
from
the
board,
they
still
receive
dues
from
officers
which
is
technically
taxpayer
money.
AA
So
it's
like
I
would
like
to
see
more
scrutiny
on
the
Ottawa
Police
Association,
specifically
because
they
are
the
ones
that
decide
which
officers
get
lawyers
and
which
ones
don't,
and
it
seems
to
me
a
lot
of
the
ones
that
report
misconduct
like
again
Kimberly
catarette
had
to
pay
out
of
pocket
versus
you
have
people
like
will
hittenberger
again
suspended
for
four
years
at
140k
a
year
that
gets
covered
by
the
OPA,
which
is
the
dues
and
I've
heard
like
it's
a
rough
level
about
500
a
month
induce
they
they
do
that
they
receive
and
again
the
OPA
is
still
flying.
AA
The
Thin
Blue
Line
flag
outside
their
headquarters.
The
last
four
did
contact
them
in
regards
to
getting
it
removed.
AA
I'd
like
to
see
you
guys
do
a
follow-up,
since
they
apparently
don't
answer
to
anyone,
but
you
still
need
to
advocate
for
it,
and
then
I
was
also
wondering
about
the
auto
Police
Association
again
how
much
yeah
so
how
much
total
are
they
receiving
in
dues
and
the
flag
and
then
also
yeah,
again
sorry,
I'm,
just
kind
of
a
computer
I'd
like
to
know
the
total
amount
will
hunt
and
burger
has
cost
for
the
four
year
suspension,
like
the
total,
with
the
litigation,
the
suspension,
the
benefits
I'd
like
to
see
an
actual
line
item
or
a
total
calculate
closest
to
the
roughest
calculation,
because,
like
I'm
wondering
too,
because
it's
like
I
understand
that
there's
a
lot
of
like
legislation
that
says
that
you
can't
do
anything
about
that,
because
it's
like
locked
into
like
labor
just
gets
inside
of
that.
AA
The
Ops
should
then
be
matching
dollar
for
dollar
those
suspension,
amounts
and
divesting
it
in
good
faith
back
to
the
communities
completely
divested.
So
it's
like
in
good
faith,
because
these
people
are
going
to
get
away
with
like
the
worst
crimes
you
can
ever
imagine,
because
they
have
autonomy
and
Immunity
and
Immunity,
and
all
these
things.
So
it's
like
I'm
requesting
that
the
Auto
police
match
a
dollar
for
dollar,
to
take
it
from
something
and
put
it
into
that
the
tasers.
Perhaps
because
again,
we
really
don't
need
those
teasers
anymore.
AA
You've
got
more
tasers
than
officers
at
this
point,
but
yeah
and
then
like
I
guess.
The
big
thing,
too
is
like
I
want
to
know
what
your
itinerary
is
for
this
year
and
what
you're
going
to
be
doing
to
Advocate
through
Ops
and
the
board,
to
the
provincial
level
to
get
suspensions
with
pay
removed.
A
A
All
right,
we'll
go
to
our
next
speaker,
I'm,
just
going
to
ask
if
Miranda
gray
is,
is
here:
okay,.
A
AB
A
Okay,
Krista
Randa.
Do
we
was
there
a
problem
here.
AB
A
C
AB
No
all
right
so
chair,
you
know
what
let
me
just
make.
This
personal
I
want
to
see
who's
all
here,
because
I
there's
faces
I
haven't
seen
Kathy
Curry
Hi.
How
are
you
councilor,
Kathy
Curry,
the
unelected
category
hi
Marty
Carr
from
Alta
Vista
hi?
My
name
is
Samantha
Mary
muniela
Dale
I've
been
so
many
delegations,
hi
Steve
Bell,
a
lot
of
questions
for
you,
bro
hi,
Trish,
Ferguson,
hi,
Peter,
Henshaw,
hi,
Salim
fakarani.
Thank
you
for
asking
questions.
AB
Please
do
your
homework
because
you're
asking
things
that
are
like
are
easy
to
know.
You
know
it's
like.
Why
do
we
have
to
do
your
work?
But
thank
you
for
asking
questions,
because
the
response
to
all
the
delegates,
mostly
in
the
last
meeting,
was,
does
any
board
member
have
questions
for
the
delegate
and
they're
well,
seeing
as
there's
none
we'll
move
on
these
people
are
unpaid,
there's
barely
rarely
and
any
black
people
around
people,
Eric
Stubbs
your
new
you're
new
here
and
you
should
be
asking
begging.
A
AB
All
right
I
asked
to
see
I'm
getting
there
can
I
speak.
You
know
what
I
have
a
disability
like
and
already
you
you
said
my
full
name,
and
you
asked
for
my
name.
Why
not
like
you
screamed
me
and
asked
what
I
was
going
to
talk
about
like
you
guys?
Wouldn't
you
guys
wouldn't
accept
my
request
at
first,
because
you
I
didn't
give
you
my
full
name.
It's.
G
AB
AB
Community
Equity
Council
the
pwle,
which
I'm
sure
most
of
you
don't
even
know
what
that
means:
The
Guiding
Council,
they
you
know
you're
supposed
to
get
Outreach.
You
guys
gave
all
this
money
to
Heaven
Solutions
to
do
the
Outreach
to
find
somebody
who
actually
work
with
us,
those
who
have
been
negatively
affected.
You
know
by
you
guys,
but
you
gave
money
to
the
guy
who
was
Hector
Addison,
who,
like
basically
is
convicted
with
fraud.
AB
There's
been
no
speaking
about
that
no
repercussions
and
all
of
a
sudden.
You
know
this
guy
is
just
representing
the
black
community.
You
don't
know
anything
about
here.
I've
tried,
I'm
still
speaking
to
the
equity
council,
stuff
I
have
been
through
all
this
stuff
like
Aaron,
could
talk
before
the
delegate.
I
was
fine
until
arrogant,
Aaron
came
it
just
heated
me
up
because
we
have
called
the
paramedics
and
they
there
is
a
lady
who
will
not
send
the
paramedics
unless,
like
to
certain
people
and
they
sent
police
down
my
hallway
in
my
apartment.
AB
This
is
after
Eric.
Stubbs
arrives
right,
send
them
down
my
hallway
and
I
had
to
be
like
hello
like
get
out
so
for
a
long
time.
Last
year,
I
couldn't
even
call
the
paramedics.
This
is
still
the
equity
Council.
So
PW
lle
reached
out
to
me
many
many
times.
They're
part
of
Somerset
West,
Health,
Center
I,
the
everybody
had
said.
AB
Oh
I
was
perfect
to
be
there
to
give
feedback,
but
you
know
what
happened:
I
got
there
was
gatekeeping
because
they
knew
that
I
was
going
to
hold
into
account
because
I
was
going
to
talk
about
phallus.
None
of
y'all
ever
come
to
any
of
the
to
learn
about
anti-racism.
To
didn't
come
to
the
black
mental
health.
Council
I
didn't
see
anybody
black
mental
health
in
February.
We
we
prepared,
we
made
you
know
time,
I
invited
us
everybody.
Nobody
came
your
surveys
to
access.
You
know
information
from
us.
AB
You
expect
us
to
get
you
all
this
unpaid
labor
like
how
do
you
and
then
this
new
thing
with
the
bilateral?
Yes,
I
did
ask
to
speak
to
that,
and
nobody
actually
responded
to
me
about
how
you're
gonna
put
our
names
up
on
and
publish
them
on
your
board,
like
no
white
guy
is
going
to
come
around
here
because
they
don't
want
to
be
Associated
and
put
on
like
the
name,
but
the
delegates
who
did
show
up
last
time
and
Andrea
I
listened
and
you
guys
didn't
respond.
AB
AB
AB
And
raised
here
born
and
raised
and
party,
even
shout
out
to
Caldwell,
show
to
Ramsay
show
to
Richie
shout
out
to
Iris
nobody's
gonna,
be
here
from
that,
because
I
don't
want
their
name
up
on
the
floor,
so
you
guys
have
not.
You
have
gay
tapped
and
gay
kept
and
you
use
black
people
as
props.
AB
A
A
AD
Yeah
I'm
here
to
speak
today
about
the
budget
report
and
I
first
did
want
to
address
the
way
that
chair
Valley
cat
interacted
with
the
previous
delegate.
I
think
it
was
really
disrespectful.
I
think
you
owe
them
an
apology.
As
community
members
we
come
to
these
meetings.
We
have
five
minutes
to
speak
and
we're
speaking
to
a
very
hostile
crowd.
I
think
we
can
all
recognize
that
Eric
stops.
I
can
see
you
sighing
while
I
speak
and
you
don't
even
give
people
the
full
five
minutes.
You
interrupt.
AD
AD
I
have
five
minutes
of
things
prepared,
so
I'm
going
to
get
back
to
that
and
I
did
want
to
address
it,
because
the
report
is
written
in
a
very
typical
Ops
style,
so
the
information
is
presented
with
no
relevant
context
and
it's
going
to
be
uncritically
accepted
as
Fox
by
the
sport.
So
I
do
think
that
it's
an
interesting
report
I
think
it
merits
further
discussion
and
I
want
to
talk
about
it
today.
AD
The
report
actually
starts
by
stating
that's
over
slightly
half
of
respondents
of
the
Ops
draft
budget.
Feedback
questionnaire,
indicated
approval
of
the
budget
and
wrote
that
it
should
be
increased,
and
then
they
include
a
quote
from
the
respondent
who
described
the
draft
budget
as
fiscally
responsible
in
lean,
while
still
managing
to
invest
in
much
needed
improvements
on
services
and
Partnerships.
AD
Clearly
this
person
attends
these
meetings,
because
that
is
a
direct
quote
from
Ops
on
page
13
of
the
draft
budget,
you
can
find
the
quote
that
the
Ops
has
identified
and
implemented
efficiencies
as
part
of
its
annual
budget
to
ensure
that
the
organization
operates
in
a
lean
and
fiscally
responsible
way.
Then
the
report
goes
on
to
say
that
the
most
commonly
expressed
reason
for
support
was
a
need
for
more
police
officers.
Of
course,
this
is
another
police
talking
point.
AD
It's
also
quite
clear
that
the
Ops
has
never
published
any
metric
that
they're
trying
to
achieve
so
has
the
board
ever
push
back?
Have
they
ever
asked
these
questions?
Do
we
know
what
the
Ops
is
aiming
for
in
terms
of
a
cop
to
cop
Ratio,
or
is
this
just
a
way
for
them
to
ask
for
more
and
more
every
single
year?
AD
The
report
does
acknowledge,
though,
that
half
of
respondents
called
for
a
decrease
in
funding.
Of
course,
here
there's
no
police
quote
that
they
can
use.
So
instead
they
cite
someone
who
mentions
that
Ops
is
a
Band-Aid
solution
that
can't
address
the
court
issues
that
lead
to
crime.
What
this
leaves
out,
of
course,
is
that
there
were
many
responses,
including
mine,
that
would
have
mentioned
that
Beyond
being
a
reactive
force,
with
no
capacity
for
prevention,
police
themselves
cause
and
commit
harm
right.
They
normalize
violence
in
communities.
AD
AD
The
report
also
cites
a
number
of
times
that
vehicle
theft
is
a
priority
area
that
makes
residents
want
more
cops.
Obviously,
these
residents
are
not
aware
of
ops's
clearance
rate
when
it
comes
to
theft
of
Motor
Vehicles,
not
to
mention
Ops
does
not
report
the
number
of
vehicles
they've
recovered
or
the
support
they
offer
to
Residents
after
an
incident
occurs
because
Ops
measures
success
as
the
number
of
times
they're
able
to
lay
charges
an
act
that
offers
nothing
to
survivors
and
victims
and
serves
only
to
criminalize
and
punish,
never
transform
and
never
repaired.
AD
AD
They
also
mentioned
that
they
intend
to
divert
people
away
from
offending.
This
is
also
the
same
people
who
cannot
figure
out
how
to
fire
the
rapists
and
murderers
within
their
ranks.
I
hope
the
board
finds
it
within
themselves
to
ask
today
any
critical
questions
of
the
information
shared
by
the
police.
I
wish
to
remind
the
board
members
that
you
are
in
fact
board
members
and
not
PR
representatives
for
the
Ottawa
Police
Service.
The
police
want
more
of
everything,
more
cops,
More,
Money,
More
share
of
the
budget.
AD
Do
you
ever
ask
them
when
they
will
have
enough?
When
will
you
admit
that
more
police
is
not
equal
to
more
safety,
when
Ops
has
a
hundred
percent
of
the
budget,
the
officers
take
their
weekly
anti-bias
training
course.
There's
a
cop
in
the
passenger
seat
of
every
single
new
car
purchased
in
Ottawa
and
residents
are
still
worried
about
speeding
and
aggressive
driving
and
desperate
for
compassionate
Mental.
AD
Health
Care
is
that
when
this
board
will
be
ready
to
challenge
the
Ops
and
start
looking
for
alternatives,
I
ask
that
the
members
of
this
board
take
some
time
today
to
Google
alternatives,
to
police,
to
Google,
evidence-based
safety
initiatives
or
non-punitive
prevention
strategies
prove
to
us
that
you
are
capable
of
critical
thought.
Please
phrase
the
budget.
Thank
you.
AD
L
Yeah
hi,
thank
you.
Thank
you
enhance
for
the
delegation.
I
just
have
a
quick
I
missed
a
little
bit.
What
you're
saying
when
you
were
talking
about
the
performance
metrics
in
terms
of
vehicle
theft?
You
mentioned
your
concerns
that
the
the
recoveries
weren't
reported
is
that
correct
did
I,
understand
that
well,.
AD
Sorry
I
didn't
have
the
tab
open
yeah,
like
from
the
reports
that
are
available
on
their
website.
They
have
like
the
crime
rates
and
like
the
concerns
by
Ward.
AD
They
only
report
the
clearance
rate
for
all
of
their
like
different
metrics,
so
they
have
like
car
theft
and
arson,
and
the
clearance
rate
for
car
theft
is
at
Best
in
like
the
highest
Ward
17
and
at
worst,
zero
percent,
where
they
didn't
lay
a
single
charge
and
I
think
it's
important
to
say,
like
I,
don't
think
that
the
police
laying
charges
would
be
a
measure
of
success.
I,
don't
think
that's
something
we
should
be
striving
for,
but
given
that's
really
like
the
only
thing
they
can
do.
AD
The
fact
that
they're
incapable
of
doing
that
should
not
then
be
a
point
where
they
can
then
say.
Oh
people
are
worried
about
car
theft.
We
could,
then
you
know,
be
part
of
the
solution
and
do
nothing.
L
A
All
right
are
there
any
other
questions
for
Inez.
No.
Thank
you
very
much
Ines
for
coming
this
evening.
Thank
you.
All
right,
I
will
ask
if
Miranda
gray
is
in
the
in
the
room,
she
was
on
our
list
and
I.
Don't
see
Miranda
all
right,
so
we'll
go
to
counselor
Stephanie
plant
welcome
counselor.
AC
R
That
being
said,
I
wanted
to
very
speak
about
speak
to
the
quarterly
performance
item
that
was
on
the
agenda
and
again
I'm,
not
sure
if
this
all
sort
of
fits
part
and
parcel
of
that.
But
please,
let
me
know
at
the
end,
so,
first
of
all,
as
I'm
sure
you
guys
are
aware,
my
ward
has
a
very
large
number
to
the
tune
of
around
six
million
dollars
of
private
security,
that's
being
used
in
various
condos,
the
Rito
Center,
the
byword
market,
restaurants
and
bars,
and
well
that's
a
good
way.
R
It
sort
of
diverts
a
lot
of
police
resources
to
private
security.
I,
don't
think
we're
Gathering
the
data
from
them,
which
kind
of
concerns
me
because
on
that
means,
the
statistics
in
my
ward
are
a
bit
skewed
and
I
just
want
to
see
if
there's
any
way
in
which
we
can
all
work
together
to
make
sure
that
we
are
getting
this
data
or
that
their
the
data
they
are
gathering
is
relevant
to
you
guys.
R
Second
of
all,
as
you
guys
are
aware,
I
have
a
very
large
number
of
shelters
in
my
ward.
They
will
be.
I
was
a
little
surprised
to
learn.
We
will
be
opening
a
single
men's
shelter
in
a
residential
area
in
April
and
to
that
end
there
was
no
sort
of
security
plan
that
was
put
in
place
with
the
opening
of
this
shelter.
So
my
team
and
I
have
been
chatting.
R
We've
been
talking
to
a
lot
of
community
associations
and
a
lot
of
the
service
providers
in
the
area,
and
we
were
wondering
if
you
would
be
willing
to
work
with
my
team
and
my
community
to
come
up
with
a
plan
for
the
opioid
crisis.
There's
a
lot
of
municipalities
that
are
developing
various
sort
of
responses
to
the
opioid
crisis.
R
I
know:
we've
declared
a
housing
emergency,
but
obviously
the
opioid
crisis
is
affecting
a
lot
of
communities
and
very
serious
ways
and
I
was
just
curious
to
know
if,
in
sort
of
the
very
limited
time
you
have
I
know,
you
were
all
very
busy
if
you'd
be
willing
to
work
with
us,
so
we
can
ensure
that
everyone
is.
You
know,
working
together
on
this
very
critical
foreign.
AE
Thanks
counselor
plant,
so
the
answer
is
absolutely
and
I'm
wanting
to
ask
you
when
you're
talking
to
the
various
security
agencies,
are
they
saying
to
you
that
they
are
gathering
a
lot
of
data
themselves
that
they
would
be
able
to
easily
share
or
they're
just
going
to
start?
Or
what
do
you
know
about
what
they're
already
doing.
R
So
this
is
the
fun
part,
some
are
and
some
aren't.
It
really
depends
on
how
big
they
are.
It
depends
on
their
level
of
expertise.
It
depends
on
who
is
heading
them.
So
I'll
give
you
an
example:
University
of
Ottawa
Security
Service,
which
does
kind
of
Patrol
a
bit
of
the
larger
area
of
Sandy
Hill.
R
They
don't
keep
the
same
statistics
as
the
uod
with
security,
that's
working
in
their
residences,
which
is
more
sort
of
outside
of
the
core
of
the
campus,
and
then
we
have
Palladium,
which
is
the
security
service
that
is
working
in
the
Rito
Center.
They
do
geek
statistics
but
Shield
security,
which
is
another
security
system
which
does
one
of
our
the
Salvation
Army.
They
keep
different
statistics,
so
I'm
kind
of
hoping
to
get
everybody
on
the
same
page
on
this
issue.
So
we're
kind
of
all
measuring
the
same
things,
and
then
we
can
all
well.
R
You
know
if
then,
if
they
want
to
measure
other
things,
that's
fine,
but
there
may
be
some
sort
of
core
10
to
20
things
that
we
would
like
them
to
report
on,
because
you
know
they
do
divert
a
lot
of
resources
to
the
police
and
from
I'm
the
police.
Sorry,
clarifying
and
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
gathering
the
proper
statistics
in
my
ward,
because
that's
a
lot
of
money
on
private
security.
R
Course,
yes,
of
course,
I'll
just
give
you
an
example.
On
I
mean
this
is
for
another
issue,
but
on
the
issue
of
needles,
so
we
have
needle
Hunters.
We
have
respect
RX,
which
is
also
picking
up
needles.
Private
residents
are
picking
up
needles,
University
of
Ottawa
is
picking
up
their
own
needles
and
everybody's
Gathering,
their
own
data
on
needle
pickup.
So
it's
making
it
very
difficult
for
us
to
ascertain
how
many
needles
are
being
distributed
and
how
many
are
being
picked
up.
R
AE
A
A
Remember,
Curry,
you've
got
your
hand
up
I
think.
Maybe
you
forgot
to
okay.
So
there's
no
inquiries.
Thank
you
we'll
go
through
now
the
items
of
business
and
the
chairs
verbal
report.
I
will
hold
this
item
for
my
verbal
report.
We'll
come
back
to
it
all
right.
So
the
first
item
that
we
have
is
board
committee
appointments
is
that
carried
okay.
A
AE
A
V
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
as
I
as
I
understand
the
motion
that
was
passed
at
the
city
council
to
provide
considerations
and
recommendations
on
how
to
establish
a
safe
exchange
parking
stalls.
D
We
we
began
working
on
that
soon
after
the
motion
was
passed
at
City,
Hall
and
and
we
have
identified
locations
at
our
three
main
locations
in
huntmar
on
the
East
End
and
here
on
Elgin,
and
we
are
in
a
position
where
we
can
proceed
with
this
likely
when
the
snow
leaks,
because
we
have
some
work,
we
need
to
do
in
the
parking
stalls,
painting,
Etc
so
I
think,
certainly
by
the
end
of
Quarter
Two.
D
We
should
be
in
a
position
where
we
can
have
a
launch
date.
A
Okay,
that's
great,
remember:
Curry!
Are
you?
Okay
with
that
you
don't
have
any
more
questions.
I,
don't
see
any
other
hands
up
all
right,
so
we'll
continue
delegation
of
special
Constable
status,
approval,
Chiefs.
L
A
Let
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
Board
direct
the
chief
of
police
to
explore
the
feasibility
of
piloting,
safe
exchange
areas
or
Community
safety
zones
at
Ottawa
police
stations
that
would
include
24,
7
surveillance
and
dedicated
signage
for
the
residents
of
Ottawa
and
Report.
The
findings
back
to
the
board
by
Q3
of
2023
or
sooner
so,
carried
carried
all
right
delegation
of
special
Constable
status.
Approval
Chiefs
report
that
the
Ottawa
Police
Services,
Board
delegate
authority
to
the
chair
and
vice
chair
to
approve
any
required
special
Constable
status.
A
A
Sorry
for
my
voice,
appointment
and
reappointment
of
special
constables,
OC
transport
Chiefs
report
that
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
Board,
approved
the
appointment
of
the
EOC
transport
employee
listed
in
document.
One
and
reappointment
of
the
OC
transport
employees
listed
in
document
2
as
special
constables
pursuant
to
section
53
of
the
police
services
act
in
accordance
with
the
terms
and
conditions
set
forth
in
the
attached.
Approval
of
appointments
forms
carried.
L
I
have
the
smallest
question
on
that,
so
can
we
just
hold
it
but
or
ask
it
now
or
or
ask
it
now,
member
card,
yeah,
okay,
I
just
wanted
to
confirm
I
know.
Is
it?
Are
they
hired
by
OC
transport?
Are
they
hired
by
the
the
police
and
then
I
just
wanted
to
understand
that
process
a
little
bit
better
with
the
OC
Transfer
special
Constable
soy.
D
Sure
Madam
chair
through
the
member
Carr,
they
are
employees
of
OC
transport
and
we
just
give
them
that
authority
to
be
a
special
gospel
with
that
organization.
L
Excellent
I'll
have
a
question
for
a
Transit
I
noticed
a
little
bit
of
a
a
gender
Equity
issue
in
the
Highwinds
I
was
interested
in,
but
thank
you
very
much.
A
Purchase
of
automated
license
plate
readers,
alprs
Chiefs
report
that
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
Board
delegate
authority
to
the
chief
of
police
for
the
purchase
of
automated
License
Plate
Reader
alpr
in
car
in
car
cameras
to
expand
the
number
of
units
deployed
using
the
grant
funds
provided
by
the
solicitor
general
for
this
purpose
up
to
the
amount
of
669
and
447
dollars.
Is
this
carried
or
held?
Can
we.
A
One
hold
okay,
9.9
2023
draft
operating
in
capital
budget,
public
delegations
and
approval
Chiefs
report
that
the
Ottawa
Police
Service
Board
1,
approved
the
Ottawa
Police
Service
2023
draft
operating
and
capital
budget,
and
two
approve
the
delegation
of
authority
to
the
chief
of
police
to
execute
and
administer
the
2023
Fleet
replacement
program
up
to
a
maximum
of
5.2
million.
Is
this
carried
or
held.
A
Absolutely
Community
feedback
budget
2023
Chiefs
report
that
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
Board,
received
this
report
for
information.
Is
it
received,
received
okay
received?
Thank
you
performance
report.
Fourth
quarter.
2022
Chiefs
report
that
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
Board,
received
this
report
for
information.
Is
it
received,
received
receipt.
M
A
You
9.12
workforce
management
report.
Fourth
quarter
2022
Chiefs
report
that
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
Board,
received
this
report
for
information.
Is
it
received
yes,
okay,
appointments
made
under
the
inter-provincial
policing
act;
2022
annual
report
Chief's
report
that
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
Board,
received
this
report
for
information.
Is
it
received
okay
report
on
SIU
investigation,
22
OVI,
181
Chief's
report
that
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
Board,
received
this
report
for
information?
Is
it
received
received?
Thank
you
report
on
SIU
investigation,
22
oci,
226
Chief's
report
that
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
Board,
received
this
report
for
information.
AF
A
Report
on
SIU
investigation,
22
OVI
193
Chiefs
report
that
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
Board,
received
this
report
for
information.
Is
it
received,
received
response
to
inquiry,
1
2206,
Ops
intelligence
gathering,
Chiefs
report
that
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
Board,
received
this
report
for
information?
Is
it
received.
AG
A
A
A
I
want
to
begin
by
highlighting
a
wonderful
email.
Our
board
received
last
week
about
Chief
Stubbs
from
Grand
Chief
Savannah
McGregor
of
the
anishinaabeg
Algonquin
Tribal
Council
and
Justice
of
the
Peace
Louise
Logue
kza
band
status,
member
Grand,
Chief
McGregor
and
Justice
Logue
were
commending
the
chief
on
the
efforts
he
has
been
making
to
build
relationships
with
the
local
indigenous
community.
A
A
The
letter
highlighted
that
this
was
a
historic
visit,
as
it
was
the
first
time
an
Ottawa
Police
Chief
had
attended
personally
on
the
kitty.
Ganzibi
community
Chief
Stubbs
had
an
opportunity
to
listen
to
and
receive
teachings
was
invited
to
a
traditional
meal
and
was
even
presented
with
an
eagle
feather
one
of
the
highest
symbols
of
Honor
offered
to
individuals
by
their
people.
A
A
The
board
looks
forward
to
carefully
reviewing
the
documents
to
understand
the
implications
of
the
recommendations
for
both
the
board
and
the
service.
This
review
will
be
aligned
with
and
in
addition
to
the
work,
the
board
will
be
undertaking
to
action.
The
recommendations
arising
from
the
auditor
General's
review.
B
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
Yes,
I.
Think
it's
important
at
this
time
to
give
direction
to
the
chief
of
police
and
I
will
read
out
the
direction
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
Board
hereby
directs
the
chief
of
police
to
review
the
findings
and
recommendations
of
The
Honorable
Justice
Paul
roulet
detailed
in
the
report
of
the
public
inquiry
into
the
2022
and
develop
responses
to
the
recommendations
directed
at
police
services.
B
B
A
Thank
you
Vice,
chair
that
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
Board,
received
this
report
for
information.
Is
this
particular
item
received
just.
AE
It
not
that
we
have
to
ask
staff
whether
they'll
take
the
direction.
A
D
Madam
chair
I
am
addressing
this
topic
in
my
in
the
chief
verbal
report,
but
we'll
Skip,
and
certainly
we
have
looked
at
their
recommendations
from
just
Justice
rule,
as
well
as
our
auditor
general
at
City
Hall,
where
we
received
recommendations
from
her
as
well,
and
it
is
our
our
plan
to
merge
the
two:
are
all
the
recommendations
not
merge
the
two,
but
look
at
all
of
the
recommendations
and
provide
an
action
plan
for
the
board
by
the
end
of
by
the
end
of
June
acting
Deputy,
Paul
Burnett
will
be
leading
that
team
and
again
we'll
provide,
as
as
the
direction
implies
to
specifics
on
who
is
responsible
for
what
our
plan
is
and
if
we
don't
action.
D
A
recommendation
we'll
certainly
indicate
why,
in
just
a
you
know
stating
this
point,
that
a
lot
of
the
recommendations
in
the
poet
report
aren't
directed
specifically
to
the
Ops
but
to
the
provincial
and
federal
government
that
you
know
if
they
are
addressed
or
they
are
supported,
would
probably
require
a
national
response.
Perhaps
the
RCMP,
the
opp
for
the
Ontario
level
ones
too.
D
So
it
will
require
some
coordination
with
other
agencies
and
level
of
government
as
well
too,
but
certainly
we
some
of
the
recommendations
that
that
that
are
seen
there
a
lot
of
them.
We
have
action
already
completed,
others
we're
in
a
different
stage
and
then,
of
course,
there's
some
of
them
that
we
simply
need
the
outside
endorsement
of
those
recommendations
and
I
understand.
D
AE
Yeah,
so
as
member
faccharani's,
really
just
asking
for
I
mean
the
auditor
Generals
Report,
already
staff
responded
with
a
response
to
each
recommendation.
Now
there
will
be
an
action
plan
to
some
of
them
and
then
these
ones,
because
they've
come
later
you're
also
wanting
to
see
the
same
thing
is
that
what
member
fakarani
saying
he
wants
to
see
and
then
there'll
review
a
report
back
similar
to
the
LRT
subcommittee.
J
A
AE
A
A
Chief,
a
number
of
individual
boards
in
the
province
have
been
doing
some
advocacy
work
in
partnership
with
their
Police
Service
on
the
topic
of
bail
reforms
and
judicial
interim
release
decisions,
particularly
with
respect
to
violent
and
chronic
offenders.
These
include
Toronto,
peel,
Durham,
London
and
York
as
well.
The
13
premiers
of
the
provinces
and
territories
in
Canada
sent
a
letter
to
the
Prime
Minister
requesting
bail
reform.
The.
AA
A
Association
of
police
services
boards,
as
the
representative
of
police
boards
across
the
province,
has
also
sent
a
letter.
This
isn't
a
topic
we
have
discussed
as
a
board
and
I
was
just
wondering
whether
you
have
some
thoughts
around
potential
reforms
that
are
needed
and
whether
it
would
be
worth
our
board
in
conjunction
with
the
service,
adding
our
voices
to
this
discussion.
A
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair
yeah.
It
is,
of
course,
a
hot
topic
of
of
debate,
since
the
death
of
the
opp
member
in
earlier
this
year
and
I
can
tell
you
that
I
have
been
part
of
a
number
of
meetings
related
to
this
topic,
the
one
that
included
a
number
of
police
Chiefs
across
the
country
with
Minister
Mendocino.
Of
course,
minister
of
Public
Safety.
D
At
the
federal
level,
the
the
oacp
as
well
has
produced
a
document
led
by
the
commissioner
karik
of
the
opp
outlining
some
of
the
you
know,
set
the
concerns
with
the
present
state
of
the
the
bail
process
and
who,
who
is
released
and
who
isn't
released.
Given.
J
D
Propensity
or
a
History
of
Violence
or
based
on
the
actual
offense,
that's
being
committed
that
they're,
you
know
they're
having
the
hearing
for
and,
and
you
know,
the
suggestion
is
to
have
more
consistency
and
more
rigor
across
the
country
when
it
comes
to
holding
some
of
these
people
that
have
proven
to
be
violent.
D
Are
involved
and
they
have
that
history,
and
you
know
there
is
you
know
the
criminal
code
does
provide
for
a
number
of
these
situations,
but
in
terms
of
consistently
applying
it
across
the
country.
Sometimes
that
is
different.
D
I
can
tell
you,
you
know
in
western
Canada
is
different
than
central
Canada,
it's
different
than
than
Eastern
Canada,
depending
on
you
know,
I
guess
that
environment
and
how
they
apply
the
criminal
code,
so
I
I
definitely
am
supportive
of
of
taking
a
critical
analysis
of
the
of
the
present
State
and,
and
you.
D
Know
just
if
you
will
saving
the
lives
of
police
officers
as
well.
Of
course
it's
about
the
safety
of
our,
although
we're
very
upset
about
the
rate
in
Ontario
in
the
last
six
months
of
officers
that
have
died.
D
A
D
Thank
you,
Madam,
chair
and
I
appreciate
you
mentioning
that
email
from
from
the
Grand,
Chief
and
and
Justice
Logan
I
will
say.
I
was
there
with
two
other
of
my
team
members,
a
superintendent
Bryden
as
well
as
Constable
Ramsey,
who
is
an
Algonquin.
M
D
Member
of
the
Algonquin
Nation
as
well
too,
and
we
did
have
a
really
great
day,
great
hosts
and
learned
a
lot
throughout
the
day.
So
thank
you
for
that
good
afternoon
or
good
evening
today.
My
team
is
with
me
virtually
as
you
can
see.
We
look
forward
to
working
through
the
agenda.
That
includes,
of
course,
the
draft
budget
2023,
but
before
that
I
want
to
comment
on
a
number
of
important
topics
and
issues
in
the
community.
First:
homicides
in
2023.
D
We
have
already
had
four
murders
in
the
past
four
weeks
and
I
can
certainly
understand
the
concern
from
residents
and
the
police
board.
I
can
tell
you
that
these
events
are
not
connected
and
arrests
have
been
made
in
all
four
homicides.
Each
of
the
victims
was
acquainted
in
some
way
with
their
attacker,
which
provided
police
with
Vital
Information.
To
make
those
arrests
I
want
to
take
a
minute
to
commend
the
work
of
our
homicide
unit.
Their
track
record
in
recent
years
is
simply
Stellar.
D
In
2021
they
had
an
80
charge
rate
for
the
15
homicides,
which
is
very
good
in
2022.
It
was
a
hundred
percent
charge
rate
for
16
homicides
and,
of
course,
this
year,
they've
brought
in
for
the
four
homicide,
Stitch
four
arrests
and.
J
D
To
charge
already
I
visited
with
this
talented
team
last
Friday
afternoon,
I
can
tell
you
they
are
a
passionate
and
hardworking
as
they
come,
but
I
am
worried
about
them,
as
their
team
is
very
small
and
needs
to
grow
and
I'll
be
looking
to
do
that
here
in
the
coming
weeks.
But
I'll
just
say
this:
the
the
citizens
of
Ottawa
they
should
be
comforted
and
have
a
high
level
of
confidence
that
this
team
is
responsible
for
investigating
our
most
serious
at
crimes.
D
I
did
have
all
my
list
gun
seizures.
I
know
there
was
a
previous
delegation
that
spoke
to
that
earlier
in
the
evening,
I
could
tell
you
in
two
different
traffic
stops
within
the
past
few
weeks
our
officers
discovered
illegal
firearms
and
arrested
those
in
possession
of
these
guns.
We
continue
to
see
an
influx
of
legal
firearms
entering
our
community
with
about
80
percent
coming
across
our
border
from
the
U.S.
D
The
good
news
is
that
last
year
the
province
did
make
a
significant
investment
in
establishing
the
provincial
guns
and
gang
teams
at
Key
hubs
across
the
province
that
are
managed
by
the
OPP.
One
of
these
units
is
based
out
of
our
Elgin
Street
headquarters
and
includes
a
number
of
agencies.
The
opp
Kingston
Police
got
no
and
the
certainty
Quebec.
So
it's
important,
you
know
it's
an
important
step
to
have
all
these
agencies
engaged
working
together,
but
it's
equally
important
for
the
Ops
in
this
city
here
to
have
it
embedded
within
our
community.
D
In
addition,
the
province
is
also
is
invested
in
increasing
Staffing
for
the
provincial
weapons
enforcement
unit,
and
we
actually
have
an
officer
based
out
of
Cornwall
Detachment,
which
helps
coordinate
the
flow
of
information
and
organizations
that
are
trying
to
move
weapons
across
across
the
border.
I'll
say
this:
as
of
February
21st,
our
officers
have
seized
six
crime
guns
this
year
and
responded
to
nine
shootings.
Last
year
in
2022,
our
officer
seized
106
crime
guns
and
responded
to
60
shootings,
Citywide.
D
Arsons
we've
had
two
very
high
profile
arsons
in
the
past
month
that
have
deeply
impacted
the
communities
where
they
occurred.
First,
at
the
Minto
development
in
Orleans
we
saw
a
gas
main
explode,
shattering
windows
and
leveling
some
model
homes.
Thankfully,
and
I
tell
you,
I,
don't
know
how
this
occurred,
but
there
were
no
fatalities,
we're
very
grateful
for
that.
12
people
were
injured
and
several
families
were
displaced.
D
Our
arson
investigation
team
unit
has
determined
that
the
circumstances
surrounding
the
explosion
were
Dean
criminal
and
they
continued
to
work
with
the
Ontario
Fire
Marshal's
office
and
the
technical
standards
and
Safety
Authority
the
tssa
and,
of
course,
mental
homes.
In
this
investigation,
well,
I
can't
talk
or
provide
a
lot
of
information.
At
this
time.
Do
the
due
to
the
sensitive
nature
of
the
investigation,
we
will
work
to
keep
the
board
and
the
public
updated
on.
D
D
In
regards
to
you
know
the
last
six
weeks,
of
course,
Convoy
at
the
Convoy
events
in
January
and
February,
the
Ottawa
Police
Service
under
the
exceptional
leadership
of
superintendent
Rob
Bernier,
have
developed
a
strategic
and
structured
approach
to
all
public
events
and
demonstrations,
and
we
saw
this
new
approach
in
the
last
five
weeks
during
the
Convoy
events.
D
D
D
Our
neighborhood
response
team
officers
will
be
meeting
with
the
residents
and
business
owners
to
discuss
Public
Safety
in
those
areas
where
often
the
festivities
occur
on
St
Patrick's
Day.
It
will
also
include,
of
course,
an
enhanced
presence
in
key
areas
where
safety
issues
have
emerged
in
past
years.
D
I
did
have
some
comments
on
the
on
the
Pollock
report
which
I'll
skip
through
and
if
there's
any
questions
on
that,
certainly
I
can
take
them
at
the
time.
I'll
move
on
to
the
budget.
Again,
our
team
has
been
working
hard
to
deliver
a
budget
that
we
feel
is
responsible
and
accurately
reflects
the
needs
of
the
Ops
to
effectively
Serve
and
Protect
the
city.
D
Given
we
have
table
to
budget
in
three
four
weeks
ago,
I
won't
elaborate
on
it
too
much.
As
you
know,
it
includes
Provisions
to
hire
25
additional
positions
to
support
their
work.
We
do
in
the
community,
but
also
looking
at
how
we
can
develop
existing
Investments
like
our
Equity
diversity
and
inclusion
program,
how
we
can
support
the
City's
community
safety
and
well-being
plan
modernizing
our
service
and
investing
in
member
Wellness.
D
We
we
need
a
plan
on
how
we
can
grow
to
meet
the
changing
demographics
of
this
city,
so
so
that
also
includes
the
development
of
our
South
facility
project.
D
Also,
as
you
saw,
you
passed
a
a
report
on
the
feedback
we
received
from
the
community
about
our
draft
budget.
John
is
here
to
answer
any
questions
on
that.
If
you
do
have
any,
we
did
work
hard
to
reach
as
many
people
as
we
can
in
order
to
get
a
you
know,
a
representation
from
the
community
and
again
it
included
one-on-one
conversations
with
Community
leaders,
City
counselors
discussions
with
neighborhood
and
Community
groups,
as
well
as
an
online
questionnaire.
D
You
know,
I
heard
you
know
a
delegate
mentioned
tonight
that
there
isn't
enough
time
three
weeks
from
you
know
tabling
the
budget
to
passing
the
budget.
It's
true
you
know,
but
of
course
we
are
on
a
schedule
that
is
allotted
to
All
City
departments.
We're
we're
not
we're,
not
unique.
We
we
do
as
all
the
others
do,
but
they
need
to
know
that
we
also
speak
with
groups
and
agencies
and
individuals
throughout
the
year
and
and
there's
opportunities
to
do
that.
D
Just
those
three
weeks
we
have
heard,
though,
in
our
feedback,
that
we
need
to
rebuild
public
trust.
We
need
to
work
to
develop
programs
that
divert
people
in
crisis
away
from
the
criminal
justice
system
and
towards
support
services
that
can
help
them
and
I
agree
with
that.
D
But
this
is
not
something
a
course
that
we
can
decide
as
police
professionals.
It's
something
that
needs
to
be
developed
by
the
community
for
the
community,
with
police,
of
course,
having
a
seat
at
the
table
and
that
work
is
ongoing.
I
do
want
to
thank
all
those
on
my
team
who
worked
on
the
budget
and
I
look
forward
to
hearing
any
questions
or
comments
from
the
board.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
A
AE
AE
When
it's
it's
only
four
and
you
know
giving
information
now
before,
there's
been
a
trial
and
all
the
rest
of
it
I
just
wonder.
Is
there
any
comment
on
whether
that
is
something
that
we
need
to
be
aware
of
in
these
cases,
or
can
you
even
say
at
this
point
I'm
always
wary
of
the
Privacy
around
this
right.
D
I
I
might
just
remember:
Curry
I
might
just
correct
you
just
on
one
portion
of
that
the
victim's
new
there
was
some
connection
to
them,
so
I
just
don't
want
to
send
a
message
that
they
knew
them
very
well
or
all
that
well
in
terms
of
the
femicides.
You
know
you
know
as
it
stands
right
now.
Of
course
we
don't.
We
haven't
had
a
femicide
this
year
of
those
four,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
are
you
you're
talking
about
last
year
and.
A
A
Okay.
Moving
on
to
9.4
amendment
to
procedure,
bylaw
number
three
just
going
through
my
list
here
to
make
sure
that
I'm
at
the
right
spot.
Yes,
so
that's
the
first
item
that
we
held
at
this
time.
We
can
go
to
questions
and
comments
from
board
members.
I
have
a
question
comment.
I
would
like
to
raise
with
respect
to
delegations
at
committee
meetings,
I,
believe
member
Carr
has
a
motion
as
well.
L
Yes,
do
you
want,
do
you
want
to
go
first
chair
and
then
I'll
go
you
go
ahead,
okay,
excellent!
Thank
you!
I'm,
not
I.
Just
want
to
clarify
so
I
did
prepare
seconded
by
member
Curry
an
amendment
an
amended
motion.
I,
don't
know,
do
you
want
me
to
speak
to
it
first
and
then
we'll
present
it
or
do
you
want
me
to
read
it
and
then
I'll
take.
L
Okay,
have
a
siblical
episode.
Okay,
where
is
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
Board,
received
and
table
to
report
on
January
23
2023
to
Amanda,
amend
its
procedure
by
law
number
three
of
2014
and
whereas
the
intent
of
the
Amendments
was
to
ensure
the
bylaw
is
up
to
date
and
reflective
existing
practice
and
to
ensure
the
current
procedures
are
still
assisting
the
board
and
Performing
its
governance
and
oversight,
responsibilities
effectively
and
efficiently,
and
where
is
the
Amendments
included?
L
The
delegate,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
at
the
board,
amend
the
proposed
update
procedure.
Bylaw
number
three
of
2014
considering
concerning
the
hearing
of
delegations
in
order
to
keep
the
delegation
session
as
part
of
the
board's
regular
meetings,
be
it
further
resolved
that
delegates
be
required
to
submit
a
written
copy
of
the
comments
they
intend
to
present
to
the
board
and
Advance
the
meeting,
be
it
further
resolved
that
the
chair
will
be
provided
with
the
discretion
to
extend
the
time
allowed
it
for
delegations
at
the
board's
regular
meeting,
be
it
further
resolved?
L
Should
the
board
determine
the
amended
by
law
is
not
assisting
the
board
of
Performing
its
governance
and
oversight,
responsibilities
effectively
and
efficiently.
It
will
further
review
procedure
through
the
policy
and
governance
committee,
and
is
that
the
end
of
it
nope
yep?
Okay,
the
further
resolved
at
section
31
of
the
boards
procedure
by
Lobby,
repealed
and
substituted
with
the
following
hearing
of
delegations.
The
board
will
set
aside
one
hour
as
part
of
its
regular
meetings
to
hear
delegations
from
members
of
the
public.
L
Advance
registration
will
be
required
for
those
who
wish
to
present
for
delegations
wishing
to
address
the
board
during
the
delegation.
Portion
of
the
regular
meetings
may
be
heard
with
the
approval
of
the
board.
Requests
must
be
made
to
the
executive
director.
It
must
include
a
written
copy
of
the
comments
will
presented.
Such
requests
must
be
received
in
full
no
later
than
noon
on
the
last
full
business
day
prior
to
the
date
of
the
proposed
delegation,
all
requests
will
require
approval
by
the
chair.
L
The
chair
will
advise
all
board
members
should
a
request
to
speak,
be
declined
in
the
reasons
for
declining
the
request.
Written
delegations
will
also
be
accepted
and,
given
the
same
consideration
by
the
board,
the
submission
must
be
received
no
later
than
one
full
business
day
prior
to
the
date
of
the
regular
meeting,
delegations
will
be
considered
on
a
first
come
first
serve
basis.
Server.
L
Priority
will
be
given
to
delegates
seeking
to
speak
to
agenda
items
on
the
income
agenda
as
well
as
new
delegates
or
those
delegates
who
have
not
previously
delegate
delegated
within
the
preceding
three
months.
Delegation
topics
that
will
be
deemed
an
order
will
include
items
of
business
listed
on
the
agenda
for
the
corresponding
regular
meeting.
With
the
exception
of
the
chair
and
Chiefs
reports,
which
are
presented
verbally
at
the
meeting,
delegates
wishing
to
address
comments
made
during
a
verbal
report
by
the
chair,
Chief
will
be
in
order
at
the
subsequent
regular
meeting.
L
Delegates
may
also
register
to
speak
to
topics
not
listed
as
part
of
the
items
of
business
on
the
agenda
provided.
The
subject
matter
is
within
the
jurisdiction
of
the
board
and
the
previous
data
conditions
have
been
met.
Delegations
shall
be
restricted
to
presentations
of
five
minutes
and
shall
address
their
remarks
to
the
subject
matter
for
which
they
received
approval
to
speak.
Should
the
board
receive
more
than
12
delegate
requests
for
single
sessions.
Delegates
will
be
restricted
to
three
minutes.
Notwithstanding
the
foregoing,
the
time
allotted
for
delegations
may
be
extended
at
the
discretion
of
the
chair.
L
If
a
delegation
is
registered
to
speak
and
is
unable
to
attend
the
session,
the
delegation
can
either
withdraw
their
delegation
or
submit
their
comments
to
the
board
and
writing
through
the
executive.
Director
registrations
are
not
transferable
or
deferable
upon
the
completion
of
a
presentation
to
the
board
by
a
delegation.
Any
discourse
between
members
of
the
board
and
the
delegation
shall
be
limited
to
members
asking
questions
for
clarification
and
obtaining
additional
relevant
information.
L
Only
members
of
the
board
shall
not
enter
into
debate
with
the
delegation,
respecting
the
presentation
delegations
may
not
direct
questions
to
the
board
or
the
service
for
a
response.
No
delegation
ciao.
This
is
all
unchanged,
speak
disrespect,
leave
any
person
use
offensive
words
or
in
parliamentary
language,
speak
on
any
subject
other
than
the
subject
for
which
they
have
received
approval
to
address
the
board
or
dissipate
the
rules
and
procedure
or
decision
and
prepare.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
very
much
member
Carr
for
that.
Based
on
the
admin
amendments
table,
delegations
would
be
invited
according
to
our
regular
meeting
cycle.
The
board
also
holds
committee
meetings
throughout
the
year.
However,
the
Committees
don't
typically
make
decisions.
They
usually
make
recommendations
to
the
board
for
consideration.
This
would
mean
that
the
public
would
get
a
chance
to
speak
to
items
discussed
at
the
committee
level
when
they
rise
to
the
full
board.
A
L
Yeah
I
know
I
was
it
was
that
from
before,
I
was
just
going
to
speak
to
why
it
was
amended.
The
way
that
it
was.
Do
you
want
me
to
do
that?
Yes,
please
yeah,
perfect
thing
so
I,
you
know,
I
went
to
the
last
meeting.
Obviously,
and
I
I
listened
very
carefully
to
what
the
delegations
were
saying
and
I.
I
I
really
appreciate
the
efforts
and
that
they
put
forward
I
know
was
somebody
who
was
previously
involved
as
a
Community
Association
president.
L
L
It
was
mentioned
in
one
of
the
delegations
at
the
last
meeting
I
believe
it
was
Mr
Hirsch
that
mentioned
that
you
know.
Toronto
has
unlimited
amount
of
delegations
and-
and
that
caused
me
to
take
a
look
at
what
was
done
across
the
police
Services
boards
across
the
province,
because
I
I
didn't
want
to
be
on
a
board.
That
was,
you
know
wildly
out
of
wildly
different
than
other
police
boards
and
and
I
was
a
little
bit
surprised.
To
be
honest,
you
know
at
some
of
the
differences
with
Ottawa
and
the
boards.
L
For
example,
meeting
registration
were
quite
flexible.
You
know
no
later
than
the
day
before
and
I
saw
you
know,
York
had
five
days,
he
had
to
be
registered
peel
three
days,
I
think
Toronto.
It
was
10
days,
if
not
the
agenda,
so
you
know
left
that
in
on
one
day,
I
was
surprised
that
there
were
restrictions
on
groups.
I
know
that
people
were
very
concerned
that
we
were
putting
forward
restrictions,
but
I
noted,
like
in
New,
York
and
tomorrow.
L
L
L
You
know
every
three-month
cycle,
but
I
wanted
to
be
very
clear
that
that
was
always
at
the
chair's
discretion
and
if
we
don't
have,
if
we
only
have
if
we
have
delegates
that
can
fit
within
the
hour,
I
certainly
would
hope
that
we,
you
know
the
chair
would
always
consider
that
we
have
that
hour
of
delegations
and
that
if
people
are
coming
that
they
be
considered
so
I
left
that
as
it
was.
L
But
it
was
really
important
for
me
mostly
to
see
the
the
window
from
12
to
1
that
it
be
part
of
the
regular
meeting
for
delegations
and
so
that
that
would
be
gone,
that
we
heard
loud
and
clear
that
people
found
that
to
be
inconvenient
and
I.
I
certainly
would
like
us
to
be
accessible
and
be
able
to
hear
people.
I
know
for
myself.
That's
often
lunch
time,
I've
already
been
written
up
in
the
media
of
reading
a
sandwich.
L
So
you
know
they
were
not
that
that
was
part
of
the
other
considerations,
but
I
do
feel
you
know
lunch
time
is
not
that
accessible.
So
that
was
the
reason
for
the
changes
and
then,
of
course,
it
needed
a
secondary.
L
So
in
conversations
with
member
Curry
we
discussed
the
fact
that
you
know
we
heard
a
lot
from
the
delegations
that
they
want
us
to
ask
questions
and
and
and
and
and
I
understand
that
and
I
know
that
people
it's
easier
for
me
to
ask
a
question:
if
I
read
material
ahead
of
time,
so
I
know
working
with
member
Curry,
there
was
the
highlights
were
still
left
on,
but
encouraging
people
to
submit
or
requesting
that
people
submit
the
material
ahead
of
time
was
included
as
well,
so
that
we
can
have
an
opportunity
to
be
able
to
to
dialogue
more
with
the
with
those
that
are
delegating
and
I
think.
L
It
was
also
important
that
you
know
understanding
that
that
may
extend
the
time
of
the
delegation
window
because
it's
so
tight
with
12.
It
specifically
said
12
five
minutes,
and
so,
if,
if
we
dialogue
that
may
extend
it,
so
that
was
really
important
to
me
that
at
the
discretion
of
the
chair
be
included,
so
I'll
I'll
leave
it
at
that,
and
let
us
have
some
discussion.
Okay,.
A
S
Sure
I,
thank
you.
I
just
wanted
to
thank
member
Carr
for
all
of
her
hard
work
on
this.
S
She
and
I
had
a
number
of
conversations
about
this
following
the
last
meeting
where
we
heard
feedback
from
the
community
and
I
think
we
all
listen
to
that
feedback
carefully
and
and
counselor
Carr
did
a
lot
of
research
to
determine
what
was
happening
in
other
jurisdictions
and
make
sure
that
whatever
we
decided
to
do
was
in
line
with
that
and
so
I
I
support
this
motion
and
I'm
grateful
to
to
counselor
Carr
for
all
of
her
efforts
on
this.
So
thank
you.
Thank.
J
L
A
Yes,
so
we
could
still
have
our
in
camera
prior
to
whatever
delegation,
the
time
that
the
delegation
start.
We
would
have
it
prior
to
member
Curry.
AE
S
Chair
could
I
just
speak
to
that
for
a
quick
second
I
think
sure
I
think
it's
important
for
us
to
have
a
discussion
about
the
timing
of
our
meetings,
but
I.
The
timing
of
our
meetings
is
not
as
I
understand
it
and
please
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
the
timing
of
our
meetings
is
not
part
of
the
bylaw,
the
the
timing
that
we
can
set
the
timing
of
our
meetings.
S
According
to
our
you
know,
just
as
part
of
our
normal
operating
procedures,
so
I
think
that's
a
separate
discussion
separate
from
the
bylaw
I
know
it's
relevant
to
the
discussion
about
the
bylaw,
because
we
want
to
make
sure
the
timing
of
our
meetings
is
inclusive
and
accessible
for
people,
but
I
think
I
think
we
should
consider
the
bylaw
on
its
own
merits
and
then
make
sure
that
our
meeting
schedule
and
timing
going
forward
is
consistent
with
the
intent
of
the
bylaw.
S
A
AE
V
A
There
any
anyone
who
has
a
difficulty
with
the
2PM
start
well.
S
Doesn't
that
go
against
what
we're
trying
to
achieve
here
with
the
having
the
accessibility?
I
mean
two
o'clock
is
better
for
me
too
personally,
but
my
my
guess
would
be
that
moving
the
delegations
from
noon
to
two
o'clock
would
not
be
an
improvement
for
many
of
the
people
who
were
concerned
about
accessibility.
L
Yeah
I'm
just
wondering
if
it's
possible
I
know
that
previously
I
think
you
had
your
income.
But
before
my
days
on
the
board,
you
had
your
in-camera
meeting
after
the
that's.
A
L
L
B
Yeah,
that's
in
terms
of
timing
and
having
in
camera
before
and
then
proceeding
with
the
regular
board
meeting
I'm
comfortable
with
that
and
continuing
on,
if
need
be,
I
think
as
as
the
mayor
mentioned,
it's
really
important
for
accessibility
and
inclusive
ability
of
the
meeting
that
we
get
the
timing
right,
and
so,
if
it
is
4
P.M,
that's
the
more
accessible
time
period,
then
that
I'm
I
would
be
supportive
of
that.
B
I
am
supportive
of
the
motion
and
I
just
want
to
reiterate
that
when
we
first
proposed
this,
it
was
based
on
a
lot
of
feedback
that
we
were
receiving,
that
people
were
looking
for
virtual
Avenues
to
makes
delegations,
and
that
was
the
intent,
I
think
hearing
the
feedback.
That's
that's
come
through
I'm
I'm
comfortable
with
with,
what's
being
proposed.
AG
Thank
you,
chair
I,
too,
supportive
of
the
procedure
bylaws,
as
stated.
Thank
you
for
all
the
hard
work
that
went
into
that
and
I
like
the
public
delegations
at
4.
P.M,
and
you
know
my
sense
is
we'll-
never
get
it
100
right,
but
I
I
think
that
that
is
more
accessible
for
sure.
Happy
to
do
the
in
camera
before
as
well.
J
Yeah
I
guess
I
I'm,
just
not
sure
when
that
right
time
is
for
public
delegations,
so
there's
you
know,
is
it
for
certain
groups.
4
pm
works
better
I,
think
about
people
that
you
know
have
Family,
Matters
or
other.
You
know
other
commitments
and
so
I
think
that's
a
very
it's
difficult
to
say
what
the
best
time
is.
J
So
I
I
have
a
little
bit
of
concern
just
to
say,
we'll
put
it
back
where
it
is
because
I,
you
know,
I'm
not
convinced
that
we're
hearing
from
a
broader
range
of
the
community
and
I'd
like
to
find
a
way
of
engaging
the
community
more
broadly.
If
we
can
and
so
I
think
the
timing.
The
timing
should
be,
you
know
we
should.
We
should
should
be
based
on
sort
of
what
how
how
do
we
get
the
best
Outreach
and
the
engagement.
L
Yeah
I
take
member
henschel's
point
about
wanting
to
engage
more
broadly
with
the
community
and
but
to
me
I.
Don't
wonder
if
that's
something
that,
as
this
board,
matures
a
little
bit
I
mean
I'm
speaking
for
myself
is
so
new
that
we
want
to
contemplate
in
the
future
outside
of
delegations
is
how
we
better
engage
with
the
community
as
a
board
and
I.
Don't
know
that
that
would
that
certainly
it's
not
just
the
delegations
that
would
be
involved
there.
L
It
could
be
looking
at
broader
Outreach
with
the
community
through
through
different
mechanisms
as
well.
Just
to
add
that.
S
I
I
take
Peter's
point
I.
Think
I
think
there
is
an
element
to
this
clearly
that
that
you
know
we've
heard
from
a
number
of
people,
but
we're
there
are
also
people
we've
not
heard
from
both
in
the
delegations
and
in
the
feedback
about
the
best
timing
for
the
delegations.
S
Having
said
that,
I
think
until
we
have
you
know,
given
that
there
was
some
some
dissent
about
the
idea
of
changing
it
to
a
different
time
from
four
o'clock,
I'd
be
inclined
to
go
back
to
four
o'clock
until
we
have
enough
evidence
to
suggest
that
there
is
a
better
time
than
four
o'clock
for
for
people.
S
We
have
to
pick
a
time.
It's
not
going
to
be.
You
know
there
is
no
time
in
the
day
that
will
be
suitable
for
absolutely
everybody
who
wants
to
delegate
at
the
police
Port
there's
going
to
be.
You
know
there
are
going
to
be
people
for
whom
it's
a
better
time
and
a
worse
time
in
every
scenario.
So,
given
that
we've
been
doing
it
at
four
o'clock-
and
there
was
some-
you
know
some
concern
about
changing
it
from
four
o'clock.
AE
So
I'm
going
to
make
my
general
comment
here:
I
like
that
we're
having
this
conversation
I,
think
whether
we
pick
two
four
one
you
can't
you're
not
gonna,
be
able
to
please
a
million
people
in
the
city
for
an
exact
time.
You
know
what
about
the
people
who
work
night
shifts
day
shifts.
You
know,
oh,
this
is
inequitable
for
us,
so
you
think
we
pick
a
time
see
how
it
goes.
I,
like
the
part
of
this
motion
that
indicates,
we
might
re,
examine
this
after
a
few
months,
see
how
it's
working
there's
nothing.
AE
That
would
stop
us
from
doing
that
anyway,
but
I
like
that.
That's
clear
to
the
community,
because,
as
member
Carr
looked
at
other
Police
Service
boards
and
what
they're
doing
I
think
there's
other
things
we
want
to
look
at
as
well,
not
just
what's
in
this
motion
or
this
bylaw
right
now
the
concept
that
somebody
might
be
able
to
only
come
once
a
year
because
they
come
and
say
the
exact
same
thing
month
after
month
after
month.
That
is
not
helpful.
I
think
that's
something
we
might
want
to
look
at
as
well.
AE
The
other
thing,
I
will
say,
is
I,
find
it
fascinating
that
there's
the
interest
that
there
is
of
the
same
people
about
this
delegation
by
a
lot
when
the
best
Communications
that
people
from
Connecticut
is
by
coming
to
Community
Association
meetings
and
talking
to
me
every
month,
emailing
me
whenever
they
want,
because
I
always
respond
back,
calling
me
having
Zoom
meetings.
I
come
out
to
their
house,
like
that's
the
service
they're
getting
from
a
Police,
Service
Board
member.
AE
This
delegation
thing
where
you
can't
ask
a
question
or
because
we
didn't
have
the
material
ahead
of
time,
I'm,
not
even
asking
any
questions.
If
people
send
me
a
material
ahead
of
time,
I
often
ask
questions,
so
this
be
all
and
end-all
that
the
delegation
is
I
think
is,
is
really
false.
The
real
feedback
you
get
is
from
many
other
sources,
not
just
this
delegation.
So
yes,
we
have
a
new
bylaw
for
the
delegation,
we'll
hear
the
delegations,
but
I
think
people
need
to
remember
that
the
input
that
they
have
is
multi-fold
they
can.
AE
They
can
contact
any
of
us
many
different
ways,
so
I
just
put
that
out
there,
but
I'm
glad
that
they'll
be
getting
the
material
in
advance,
because
then
I
can
really
think
about
it,
and
also
that
the
material
will
then
demonstrate,
hopefully
that
it
will
be
appropriate,
as
there
were
many
delegations
tonight
that
were
inappropriate
and
very
difficult
to
stop
someone
on
the
Fly
and
it's
in
fact,
very
adversarial,
which
is
now
what
we
want
to
be
doing
here
anyway.
AE
A
AE
A
Will
show
okay,
I
also
wanted
to
just
bring
the
point
that
I
had
made
earlier
on
about
wondering
whether
we
want
to
add
something
that
gives
committee
chairs
discretion
to
invite
delegations
to
committee
meetings
where
they
feel
it
would
be
appropriate.
A
Committee,
so,
as
far
as
committees
are
concerned,
anybody
can
attend
them.
The
public
is,
you
know,
free
to
come
to
to,
but
they
don't
normally
speak
at
committee
meetings
and
so
I
guess.
What
I'm
suggesting
here
is
that
we
leave
it
to
the
chair
of
the
committee
to
decide
whether
or
not
they
want
to
entertain
delegations
at
committee
meetings.
AG
Think
it's
fairer
to
leave
that
to
the
committee
chair
to
decide
if
they
feel
it's
appropriate
and
will
help
in
the
discourse
and
then
bring
it
to
the
board
for
sure.
Okay,.
A
All
right
is
there
any
other
comments
or
questions
regarding
this
item,
this
motion.
A
A
A
J
S
Please
yeah:
okay,
okay,
we're
good
carried
carried.
A
Purchase
of
automated
license
plate
readers,
alpr
and
I'm.
Sorry
I,
don't
remember
who
held
wanted
to
help
member
Carr.
Thank
you.
Please
go
ahead
with
me.
L
Sorry
I
was
wondering
about
if
there's
been
a
privacy
impact
analysis,
I'm,
not
sure
what
you
would
call
it
done
and
how
you,
what
what
you
do
with
the
footage
that's
collected
throughout
the
day,
I
mean
if
you've
seen
all
of
these
cars
being
collected
in
the
information
scanned
I
was
interested
in
knowing
a
little
bit
about
the
disposition
and
any
privacy
impact
analysis,
and
then
I
was
also
interested
in
better
understanding
a
little
bit
if
any
funds
that
were
generated
from
fines
if
they
go
into
the
cities,
the
city,
safe
road
budgets,
or
do
they
go
to
the
police,
just
understanding
that
process
a
little
bit
more.
A
D
Thank
you,
Madam,
chair
to
remember,
Carr.
Unfortunately,
my
my
expert
on
has
had
to
leave
because
he
had
a
bit
of
a
family
issue
that
he
had
to
leave
for
so
I'm
I'm,
just
getting
but
I
I
do
know
the
product
and
and
and
whatnot
so
I'm
not
completely
winging
it,
but
I.
G
D
Say
this
on
the
in
terms
of
so
we've
had
that
we've
had
five
of
these
these
units
since
2016
and
the
ones
that
were
contemplating
buying
now
through
the
grants
through
the
provincial
government.
So
again
it's
not
a
municipal
cost,
but
but
a
provincial
one
are
certainly
the
Next
Generation
and
can
do
a
lot
more
than
the
ones
that
we
had
initially
before
we
roll
these
out.
We
would
we're
gonna.
D
We
would
combine
these
with
a
rollout
of
our
Dems
system
as
well
to
and
prior
to
doing
that
we
would
do
a
full
business
case
for
for
these
units,
along
with
the
Dems
Community
consultation,
and
we
would
do
a
privacy
impact
assessment
related
to
related
to
these
products.
So
what
we're
doing
basically
is
trying
to
just
we're
trying
to
purchase
them
now,
because
the
grant
is
at
the
end
of
the
fiscal
year
for
the
province,
so
we're
trying
to
secure
the
products
now.
D
So
we
can
exercise
that
Grant
and
then
we'll
we'll
be
doing
the
work
later
in
the
year
before
they're
rolled
out
before
that
they're
they're
installed
on
the
vehicles
and
certainly
the
public.
The
Public
Communication
plan
that
we
would
roll
out
certainly
would
be
you
know
we
would
invite
media
to
come.
D
You
know
to
to
see
a
car
see
how
it
works,
and
you
know
let
it
let
it
go
through
the
the
media
cycle
to
educate
people,
amongst
other
things,
online,
of
course,
as
well
too,
but
you
know,
obviously
the
the
the
the
the
advancements
of
this
the
next
generation
of
of
this
is
significant.
It
is
more
police
agencies
have
used,
what's
called
dash
cams
for
for
years.
D
D
Just
so,
you
know
for
your
safety
in
mind
and
then
the
interaction
starts,
so
that
would
that
would
really
be
what
this
is
as
well,
along
with
the
of
course,
the
ability
to
track
and
record
multiple
license
plates
as
the
as
the
police
officer
is
driving
that
can
be
Associated
to
stolen
vehicles,
a
vehicle
Associated
to
an
amber
alert,
other
offenses
Etc.
D
So
there's
there's
that
Advantage
as
well.
In
regards
to
the
the
funds.
You
know
what
I
I
haven't
actually
broached
this
topic,
but
generally
when
fines
are
written
in
municipality
and
I
might
go
to
a
deputy,
Bell,
I
I
believe
it
goes
into
City
coffers
versus
the
police
budget.
But
Steve
do
you
have
an
answer
on
that
to.
AF
J
Potential,
so
the
chief
I
think
has
answered
some
of
my
questions
already
in
the
one
around
incremental
costs,
so
this
is.
This
is
covered
through
the
provincial
Grant
right
now.
My
one
question
I
have
is
I,
assume,
there's
going
to
be
some
incremental
costs
down
the
road
as
far
as
the
digital
evidence,
management
and
information
management.
That's
that's
in
the
budget
already
earmarked
in
the
budget
for
being
explored
this
year,
but
I
assume
that
there's
going
to
be
some
incremental
cost
just
for
managing
that,
but
that'd
be
correct.
D
That
would
be
correct
there.
There
will
be
yeah
back
office
needs
to
manage
the
program
which
would
be
included
in
our.
You
know
full
business
case
for
the
Dems,
the
Dems
product
that
should
be
attached
to.
D
D
B
Thanks
I
I
want
to
follow
up
on
member
Carr's
question
as
well
the
circle
of
privacy
impact,
and
if
there
is
some
analysis
done,
that's
already
prepared,
if
that
can
be
provided
to
the
board
at
a
future
meeting
or
at
a
future
date.
That
would
be
very
helpful
and
the
other
question
I
have
is
the
public
consultation.
So
there
is
reference
to
public
consultations
that
will
take
place
and
it
might
be
premature
right
now
to
ask
a
question.
AE
Yeah
I
guess
I
was
I
like
the
part
of
the
report
where
it
said
that
the
opp
has
already
bought
some,
so
we're
going
to
get
in
on
their
procurement
with
the
price
deal.
If
you
will,
but
it
also
indicates
so
before,
enabling
the
live
stream
for
the
command
team.
There
will
be
consultation
because
there's
a
live
stream
component
to
it
would
the
opp
also
be
doing
that
would
be
able
to
benefit
from
some
of
their
earlier
research.
Do
we
know
exactly
what
they're
doing
that
we
could?
D
Chief
good,
thank
you,
madam
chair
Senator,
member
Curry.
I
I
s,
certainly
when
it
comes
to
Dems
when
it
comes
to
body
worn
cameras
as
well
as
as
this
product
here,
the
LTR
there's
a
numerous
agencies
that
have
went
down
this
road
and
are
far
Advanced
than
we
are
so
you
know,
we've
had
discussions
with
the
executive
team
that
we're
not
inventing
the
wheel.
D
We
are
going
to
copy
and
plagiarize,
and
if
we,
if
we
can
to
to
lessons
that
were
learned
by
other
agencies,
we
don't
want
to
commit
those
same
mistakes
there.
They
were
nice
enough
to
to
launch
these.
These
actually
I
was
speaking
with
the
chief
of
York
regional
this
morning
and
they
have
a
full
Dems
program
up
and
running
already
and
just
one
another
Avenue
that
we
can
go
to
in
the
opp
having
the
body,
worn,
camera
and
the
whole.
D
The
whole
sort
of
package
that
they're
working
with
will
benefit
us
as
well
too.
So
in
terms
of
a
Pia
in
terms
of
what
they
did
for
consultation.
The
the
back
office
work
that
they've
found
they
need.
We
can
go
to
them
and
should
be
able
to
get
the
answers.
AE
Great
thank
you
for
that.
I
would
I
I
fully
agreed
yeah
you
might
as
well
the
fact
that
the
solicitor
general
is
giving
us
this
669
000
I
mean
the
solicitor
general
also
must
have
faith
in
this
and
believe
in
as
I
wonder
what
has
backed
that
up.
That
might
be
helpful
for
the
public
to
understand
as
well.
Solicitor
general
doesn't
just
hand
over
600
000
willy-nilly,
but
it
would
be
helpful
for
us
to
know
as
well
why
they
are
doing
this.
What
is
the
research
that
they
have
right.
A
AE
I
will
start
preliminarily
here
just
to
say
that
I
was
very
impressed
with
this
report
and
the
detail
in
it
for
each
part
of
the
budget
and
I've
since
said
to
many
city
councilors.
If
you
want
I
mean
we've
already
had
presentations,
we've
had
a
high
level,
we've
had
descriptions
of
where
the
money
will
go,
but
this
report
was
so
fulsome
that
I
recommended
to
a
lot
of
City
councilors
to
take
some
time
and
just
read
this
part
of
it,
and
they
have
agreed
to
do
that.
AE
I
would
just
say
that
I
think
this.
For
me
this
was
extremely
helpful
to
get
this
much
level
of
data
as
to
what
exactly
the
money
would
be
spent
on.
Why
what
the
background
is
and
I
mostly
wanted
to
say
that,
but
one
of
the
things
I'll
also
say
I
like
to
see
with
so
many
sections
of
it
indicated
that
police
have
already
performance
indicators
for
some
of
the
work
that
is
going
on.
AE
If
there's
already
some
very
good
performance
indicators
out
there,
I
will
say
that
I
particularly
stopped
at
the
section
on
call
referral
and
just
wanted
to
note
that
that
it
indicates
in
here
delivering
a
model
for
call
referral,
hopefully
I'm
reading
from
the
same
part,
yes
in
in
Q4
2023,
for
piloting
at
a
later
date.
AE
So
I
wondered
when
I've
had
conversations
with
Ottawa
Community,
Housing,
neighborhoods
I
know.
We've
all
been
talking
about
this.
Quite
a
lot
that
to
me
the
work
done
by
The
Guiding
Council,
the
work
done
already
at
Ottawa
Community
Housing
neighborhoods,
with
their
Community
safety
officer
program.
To
me,
it's
sort
of
you
know
you
don't
want
to
say
low-hanging
fruit,
but
one
of
the
very
quick
ways.
AE
If
we're
going
to
hold
a
pilot
and
look
at
call
referral
or
called
diversion
or
whatever
the
terms
are
we
use
that
this
is
maybe
one
of
our
our
fastest
ways
to
looking
at
a
model,
so
I
just
will
say
that
I
stopped
there
I
did
think
as
we
went
through
this
and
I
would
just
recommend
to
other
people
as
we
look
at
what
we
want
in
a
dashboard
going
forward.
AE
There's
a
lot
here
that
we
could
ask
for
as
a
board
in
terms
of
updates
in
terms
of
how
did
this
budget
money
make
a
difference?
What
did
it
change
if
we're
investing
in
a
particular
area?
What
did
it
change
from
one
year
to
the
next?
So
I
looked
at
the
guns
and
gangs
section
I
know
someone
in
the
presentation
today
talked
about
cyber
crime.
If
we're
putting
investing
200
000
into
that,
what
does
that?
What
difference?
AE
Will
it
make
I
I,
just
I
could
not
believe
the
level
of
detail
with
whether
it
was
the
sap
section.
AE
Some
of
the
data
analytics
information
I
I,
felt
that
if
people
were
wondering
what
these
budget
items
were,
they
should
really
take
some
time
and
read
and
reread
this
report
so
I
will
just
leave
it
at
that.
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
very
much
to
whoever
put
their
time
into
writing
this
up
and
all
the
detail
was
very,
very
helpful.
A
Thank
you,
member
Curry
I
think
we
can
mention
Mr
sweet
as
being
responsible
chief
for
for
much
of
the
work
and
and
also
rcao.
D
You
know
I,
there
was
a
team
of
people
that
put
this
together
John
sweet.
Definitely
one
of
them
Steve
led
the
push
and
John
steinbach's
and
his
team
as
well
too,
along
with
some
very
talented
people,
putting
it
all
together.
So
I.
Thank
you
for
that.
Member
Curry
and
yeah
big
team
efforts.
L
Thank
you
very
much
and
I
just
have
a
few
questions
on
some
of
the
budget
items
and
some
things
that
I
wanted
some
clarification
on
and
actually
remember.
Curry
briefly
mentioned
two
of
them,
so
I'll
I'll
stay
within
five
minutes.
I'll
just
ask
a
couple
questions.
Is
it
best
if
I
ask
them
one
at
a
time
or
all
together.
L
So
my
first
question
is
member
Curry
mentioned
the
work
that
the
guiding
Council
that
the
city
is
undertaking
with
respect
to
an
alternate
response,
but
she
also
mentioned
about
the
section
and
the
report
on
transitioning
calls
and
I
wonder
if
you
could
speak
a
little
bit
about
and
I
don't
know
if
this
is
CA
or
Bell
or
if
this
is
Chief.
Stubbs
speak
a
bit
more
about
any
of
the
work
that
the
Ottawa
Police
Service
is
doing.
L
I
know
you've
been
helping
us
with
the
The
Guiding
Council
and
with
the
community
safety
and
well-being
plan,
but
on
what
you're
doing
to
respond
to
an
alternate
response
to
mental
health
outside
of
that
work.
So
some
of
it
is
probably
with
respect
to
how
you
transitioning
the
calls,
but
I
wondered
if
I
could
get
a
bit
more
information
than
what's
in
the
report.
That's
my
my
first
question.
V
D
Thank
you,
member
Carr,
so
you
know
what
I
will
I
will
go
to
CAO
Bell
on
a
few
things,
but
I
in
terms
of
you
know,
trying
to
trying
to
lasso
this
whole
big
topic
is
very
challenging.
There's
a
number
of
projects
that
are
going
on
with
some
different
agencies
as
well
to
be
it
for
the
byword
market
or
just
mental
health,
or
when
you
throw
in
people
that
are
without
housing
or
addictions
and
whatnot.
D
So,
but
when
it
comes
to
you
working
with
the
guiding
Council
actually
just
this
morning,
I
had
a
meeting
with
some
of
the
key
players
that
are
working
with
the
The
Guiding
Council
and
City
Hall
and
I'm.
Actually,
very
a
lot
of
work
has
gotten
done
in
the
last
two
weeks
to
prepare
I
think
a
more
structured
pilot
that
is
going
to
get
rolled
out
in
later
this
year,
or
maybe
or
sorry,
maybe
in
in
the
beginning
of
2024..
D
But
look
we
we
are
invested
heavily
in
mental
health
response
and,
like
we've,
all
agreed
we'd
like
to
be
less
engaged
with
that,
but
we
are
attending
most
of
the
calls,
of
course,
that
we
receive.
D
We
are
funding
the
call
referral
program,
we're
looking
to
fund
a
mental
health
support
worker
in
our
Dispatch
Center,
which
is
something
we
feel
right
at
the
front
end.
If
we
can
talk
to
some
people,
we
might
be
able
to
direct
either.
You
know,
bring
them
down
de-escalate
them
and
bring
them
into
an
area
that
we
can
help
them.
Maybe
police
go.
Maybe
they
don't?
D
We
are
you
know,
of
course
we.
We
have
also
contributed
like
funding
a
previous
board,
not
this
board.
You
know
dedicated
to
about
2.6
million
dollars
that
from
our
budget
to
go
towards
some
of
this
as
well
too.
So
we
are
funding
some
of
this
work
as
well
too,
that
wasn't
all
that
inclusive
I,
don't
think
and
I
think
CAO
Bell,
maybe
you're,
probably
more
articulate
on
this
than
me.
AF
Yeah
I
know
Chief
I
think
you
covered
it
I
think
what
I
think
you're
going
to
see
through
this
year's
budget
and
the
work
that
the
city
is
doing
through
the
community
safety
well-being
plan
is
really
a
lot
of
the
Grassroots
ground
level.
Work
that's
been
done
coming
together
to
to
display
action.
AF
Mental
health
and
response
to
mental
health
is
a
Continuum.
We.
AF
We
all
know
that
we
play
part
in
that
Continuum
and
we're
looking
to
make
sure
that
we
best
align
with
the
the
pilots
that
the
guiding
Council
mental
health
guiding
council
is
looking
to
establish
as
well
as
look
to
do
whatever
we
can
to
a
stop
to
help
support
that
work
like
setting
up
the
system
to
be
able
to
divert
calls
for
service
like
making
sure
that
we
have
best
supports
in
our
in
our
9-1-1
Dispatch
Center,
like
the
chief
said,
but
then
looking
at
how
we
can
actually
help
best
help
support
guiding
Council
to
continue
their
work
to
deliver
those
alternative
response
models.
AF
We've
earmarked.
We
have
money
based
based
budget
money
within
our
budget
that
we'll
be
using
to
leverage
our
pilots
and
that
we'll
be
using
to
support
that
programming.
Moving
ahead.
L
Okay,
thank
you
and
I
certainly
know
it's
complex
in
terms
of
wrapping
everything
up.
I
just
wanted
some
more
detail.
I
do
have
a
couple
other
questions,
but
I
noticed
that
acting
deputy
chief
Ferguson
has
her
hand
up.
Was
it
to
respond
to
this
topic.
O
Ferguson,
thank
you
very
much.
Yes,
it
was
I
just
wanted
to
add
to
what's
already
been
pointed
out,
but
I
think
what
we're
finding
in
our
called
referral
and
diversion
review
that
we've
done.
It's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
little
things,
not
one
great
big
thing,
and
so
we
are
looking
to
examine
all
those
things.
False
9-1-1
calls.
You
know
the
full
gamut
and
we've
examined
the
numbers,
and
now
we're
going
to
look
at
what
we
can
do
to
strategize
to
reduce
some
of
those
calls
that
are
coming
that
are
unnecessary.
M
L
Ahead,
okay,
I
had
questions
about
the
0.6
million
that
we're
going
to
be
spent
on
body
cams
and
my
questions
are
not
dissimilar
from
what
I
asked
on
the
automatic
license
plate
readers
in
terms
of
whether
privacy
impact
analysis.
But
this
one
to
me
I'm
wondering
you
know
if
and
I
guess
Chief.
This
is
more
to
you.
L
If
you've
worked
in
other
jurisdictions,
where
these
body
cams
have
been
used
and
could
speak
a
little
bit
broadly
to
you
know,
sort
of
how
has
there
been
overall
evidence
that
Violence
by
officers
or
whatever
the
case
may
be,
has
actually
decreased
in
in
the
use
of
them
and
I'm
wondering
if
you
could
speak
about
your
either
your
experience
or
or
on
those
for
me,
because
certainly
I
know
they've
not
been
without
controversy.
So
it
would
be
helpful
to
hear
your
perspective.
D
Thank
you,
member
Carr,
so
I'll
just
be
clear.
The
the
the
the
400
000
that
is
earmarked
in
this
budget
is,
as
it
relates
to
dims
or
dims,
that
it's
to
it's
to
start
to
get
the
background
and
support
the
work
to
launch
the
dims
product.
The
body
worn
cameras
that
we
can
just
attach
to
that.
That
would
because
that
that
the
body,
worn
cameras,
would
speak
to
the
Dems
and
what
would
be
an
addition
to
that
product.
So
it's
not
the
body
worn
cameras.
D
Yet,
although
it's
something
that
we
want
to
look
for
Dems,
it
will
manage
all
of
the
data
coming
in.
It
could
be
CCTV
video
we
get
from
a
business
or
from
a
home
any
recordings
that
we
make
like
it's.
It's
all
of
our
data
that
we
have
would
go
through
the
Dems,
so.
L
No
I
think,
okay,
so
you
obviously
all
the
Privacy
pieces
that
would
need
to
be
done.
Privacy
impact
analysis
is
all
being
undertaken
on
that.
Currently.
D
L
D
That's
right,
yeah,
a
pilot
and
Steve.
Do
you
have
anything
else
you
want
to
say
to
that.
Just
in
regards
to
what
that
400
is
earmark
for
yeah.
AF
So
that's
that's
earmark
for
the
establishment
of
the
foundational
pieces
around
our
digital
information
and
evidence
management.
They
there's
no
delivery
on
any
of
those
accessories,
like
body
worn
cameras
until
that
foundational
piece
has
been
established
so
that
we
will
be
coming
back
to
the
board
as
we
further
explore
body,
worn
cameras
and
and
other
pieces
of
technology
that
we
could
use.
D
So
that
would
then
link
into
answering
the
the
back
half
your
question
there.
In
regards
to
my
experience
with
body
worn
cameras
I
have
in
my
previous
career
with
the
RCMP
I
I
did
manage
part
of
was
the
the
project
that
a
national
product
on
body,
worn
cameras
that
we
had
from
about
2013
to
about
2016.,
and
so
I
did
learn
quite
a
bit
about
them.
Then,
and
the
RCMP
didn't
go
with
body,
worn
cameras
at
that
time,
due
to
the
industry
was
just
immature.
D
The
storage
was,
the
cloud
was
new,
it
just
wasn't
very
stable
and
the
products
weren't
that
good.
Since
that
time,
the
RCMP
is
now
going.
They've
are
awarding
a
contract
to
get
Baltimore
canvas
throughout
the
country
for
their
front
line,
so
they
are
moving
ahead
with
it,
but
you're
right,
member
Carr
they
are,
they
are
controversial
at
times,
there's
a
lot
of
different
reports.
Someone
does
one
report,
they're,
no
good.
D
Another
report
says
they're
good
and
in
the
course
before
we
would
purchase
these
before
we
would
roll
these
out
and
attach
them
to
our
Dems.
If
you
will,
we
would
bring
a
wholesome
case
to
the
board,
explaining
what
our
perspective
is
for
a
full
debate
and
approval
by
the
board
before
we
would
proceed
spending
any
money
on
those.
Personally,
you
know
the
you
know
they
serve.
They
certain
they
do
serve
a
I
think
an
important
check
for
our
our
officers
for
the
public.
D
We
can
obtain
best
evidence
and
you
know
some
comments
that
they
they
don't.
They
don't
stop
police
brutality.
You
know
whether
they
do
or
whether
they
don't
it
does
tell
a
story
and
I
would
argue
what
occurred
in
in
Memphis
with
Tyrese
Nichols.
D
While
the
actions
were
abhorrent
in
criminal
and
well,
the
police
officers,
there
got
what
they
deserved.
They
got
charged
with
murder
that
that
body-worn
camera
would
have
they
been
charged
that
quickly
with
without
a
body
worn
camera
I,
don't
know
I
sense,
not
that
quickly,
maybe
eventually,
but
not
not,
that
quickly.
There's
pros
and
cons
and
and
that's
something
that
the
community
has
to
to
balance
and
and
I'm
willing.
D
You
know,
obviously
to
to
listen
to
the
perspectives
that
people
have,
whether
or
not
we
we
continue
with
those.
But
that's
that's
probably
a
longer
discussion
but
we'll
we'll
be
ready
to
present
a
perspective
when
the
timing
is
right
when
the
board
is
ready
to
to
hear
from
us
on
the
topic.
L
Perfect,
thank
you,
I'm
just
going
to
ask
one
quick
question
and
then
I'm
going
to
get
back
in
line,
so
you
don't
have
to
keep
listening
to
the
same
person
and
this
I'll
just
ask
an
easy
one
from
my
question
list.
In
the
budget
report.
They
talked
about
the
collection
of
race,
Equity
data
and
they
talked
about
it
being
tabled
in
2023
and
I'm,
just
wondering
if
there
was
more
Precision
around
which
quarter
that
would
be
in
okay.
AF
So
that's
going
to
be
a
part
of
what
will
be
rolled
out
in
our
EDI
strategy,
which
is
also
included
in
here.
So
there'll
be
several
components.
We
don't
have
a
quarter,
that's
been
identified
because
it's
something
that
we
we
need
to
build
properly.
We
need
to
build
in
conjunction
with
our
community,
but
it
is
work
that
we're
going
to
undertake
to
deliver
this
year.
So
I
can't
give
you
an
exact
quarter,
but
we
will
be
coming
back
to
the
board
with
timelines
around
that
through
the
year.
L
AE
Member
Curry
sure
I
can
ask
three
questions
and
I
may
have
more.
One
is
on
the
portal
for
hosting
open
police
data.
That's
in
the
data
analytics,
realization,
section
and
I
was
really
pleased
to
see
that
I
also
pleased
to
see
that
you
know
you
have
your
data
information
implementation
strategy
all
of
its
own,
and
this
is
the
section
where
I
think
this
is.
If
we're
going
to
be
collecting
better
data,
we
have
a
better
system
for
it.
It
will
be
open
to
the
public.
AE
D
Thank
you,
member
Curry
I.
Actually,
you
know
again.
I
was
talking
to
the
the
York
Chief
this
morning
and
he
was
talking
about
this
portal
that
they
have
where
the
public
has
access
to
in
just
about
real
time
all
of
the
crime,
data
and
whatnot
in
their
Community
it
just
he
talked
about
it
for
a
few
minutes.
It
sounds
fantastic
and
that's
you
know,
kind
of
where
we're
trying
to
get
to
John
steinbach's
is
if
John
is
on
the
line
here.
D
I
believe
he
is,
he
is
leading
this.
This
data
analytics
a
program
and
it's
something
that
we
certainly
need
to.
We
need
to
invest
in.
D
We
need
to
be
able
to
harvest
our
data
and
produce
it
to
the
public,
produce
it
to
the
the
board
in
a
much
more
a
timely
manner
and
more
meaningful
Manner
and,
like
I
think
has
been
mentioned
here
just
on
those
performance
metrics
that
we
have
the
ability
to
say
that
we
succeeded
or
that
we
didn't
and
and
have
that
data
back,
that
up
and
and.
S
D
AH
Yeah
sorry,
when
I
was
joining
as
a
panelist,
I
lost
a
little
the
last
10
seconds
of
what
you
said,
but
if
you're
looking
for
timelines
on
on
the
the
portals,
we're
looking
at
the
Q3
Q4
area,
we're
just
in
the
in
the
early
conversations
for
that.
But
we
definitely
don't
want
to
finish
out
the
year
without
that
community
portal
being
out
there
and
then,
and
and
with
it,
with
some
meaningful
data.
AH
AH
Hopefully
during
your
strategic
planning,
as
member
Curry
is
referencing
that
we
would
be
looking
to
the
board
to
see
what
types
of
information
you'd
like
to
see.
As
part
of
that
portal
I
mean
we
are
already
doing
some
work
with
open,
open
data
Ottawa
and
that
type
of
thing.
But
at
the
end
of
the
day
we
do
want
to
see
that
portal
up
invite
Q3,
I'd,
say.
AE
That's
super
wonderful.
Thank
you.
My
second
question
is
on
The
Greening
initiatives.
My
hydro
Ottawa
board
hat
on
conversations
with
Hydro
Ottawa
for
these
charging
stations
that
would
be
at
police
headquarters
and
stations
is
it
is
the
conversation
happening
first
with
Hydro
Ottawa,
please
say
yes,
foreign.
D
AF
I
can
tell
you
absolutely
we're
having
those
discussions
around
charging
stations
around
Greening
our
Fleet,
so
we
are
really
embedded
with
the
city
in
terms
of
the
initiatives
that
they're
undertaking,
as
well
as
with
Hydro
honorable.
AE
All
right,
I
will
just
remind
everybody
that
the
city
100
owns
Hydro
Ottawa.
So
any
thing
that
is
good
for
hydro
Ottawa
is
good
for
the
city
and
is
good
for
our
yearly.
I
cannot
remember
the
word
of
it.
Our
yearly
dividend,
that's
the
word
so
so.
I
also
wanted
to
ask
a
question
about
so
that
I
understood
this
right
on
page
141
36
in
your
budget
document,
though
I
just
want
to
read
this
to
you.
AE
It
is
also
important
to
note
that,
when
comparing
the
Ops
budget
to
the
overall
Municipal
budget,
the
Ops
budget
and
annual
increases
include
Capital
funding
to
pay
for
the
required
infrastructure
such
as
buildings,
Fleet
and
I.T.
This
is
not
embedded
within
the
budget
of
other
city
services
when
the
annual
police
tax
levy
increase
is
broken
down.
A
three
percent
increase,
for
example,
is
allocated
at
2.4
percent
for
operating
budgets
and
point
six
percent
for
Capital
requirements.
AE
Therefore,
the
2.4
figure
is
more
accurate
when
comparing
the
Ops
to
other
city
services
budgets,
which
I
think
is
a
very
important
part
of
this
document,
for
people
to
understand.
I
just
wondered
if
there
was
any
further
comment
on
when
I
read
that
I
thought
wow,
but
I
just
want
to
make
sure
I
understand
it
to
be
as
remarkable
as
it
is
so
I
don't
know.
If
anyone
there
has
a
further
comment
on
that.
D
Yeah
I,
thank
you.
Member
Curry
I
did
have
that
explained
to
me
as
well
too,
as
I
was
trying
to
wrap
my
head
around
that
in
my
early
days
here
in
Ottawa,
but
certainly
I'm,
going
to
defer
to
Steve
and
or
John
Jonathan
for
more
commentary
on
that.
AF
Yeah,
so
thank
you,
member
Curry,
I,
don't
know
that.
There's
much
more
commentary
to
be
provided
on
it,
you're.
Absolutely
right.
When
we
look
at
our
tax
increases
through
the
city,
it
doesn't,
it
does
not
include
for
us
sorry,
it
does
include
for
us
Capital
costs,
other
City
departments,
don't
normal
City
departments
do
not
have
Capital
costs
like
we
do.
Parks
and
Rec
doesn't
have
the
same
Capital
costs
that
that
we
would
produce.
AF
So
it
is
a
good
observation
and
then-
and
like
the
chief
said
and
like
you
indicated,
it
does
eat
away
from
some
of
the
growth
that
other
departments
may
see
year
over
year.
AE
Yeah
I
honestly
think
that
we
need
to
see
very
separately
capital
capital
and
operating
budgets
and
really
look
at
them
differently
when
I
see
how
important
it
is
that
other
other
departments
don't
have
that
and
yet
we're
all
given
the
same
budget
Direction
so
anyways,
but
those
are
my
three
for
now
and
I
will
get
off
the
list
and
see
if
I
have
to
go
back
on
it.
Thank
you.
AE
A
You,
member
Curry
I,
don't
see
any
hands
raised
there.
You
go
member
car,
it's
all
yours,
sorry,.
L
L
I
presume
that
already
there
are
officers
working
on
Cyber
crimes
and
I
guess
when
I
was
reading
it
when
I
it
talked
about
terrorism,
organized
crime,
loan
actors,
sort
of
thing,
I
guess
I
had
a
question
about
I
would
imagine
that
much
of
this
work
is
sort
of
multi-jurisdictional
and
if
it's
coming
from
overseas
and
you'd
be
working
with
RCMP
and
I
was
wondering
you
know,
if
you
could
just
explain
a
little
bit
like
the
specific
focus
of
the
city
of
ottawa's
cyber
crime
like
it
is
it
primarily
going
to
be
dealing
like
liaison
with
International
Partners
on
cases
reported
into
the
the
Ottawa
Police
Services?
L
D
Sure
I'll
I'll
defer
to
Deputy
Ferguson
on
the
cyber
crime
side
on
her
side
here,
I
will
just
say
this
is
that,
of
course,
the
money
that
that
we're
investing
two
hundred
thousand
dollars.
Is
it
isn't
much,
but
it
is
a
foundational
piece
to
to
start
building
a
unit
It's
Not,
Human
Resources.
We
do
have
people
that
are
attached
to
that
to
those
units,
but
they
need
the
right
programs
and
computers
and
and
software
to
begin
their
work.
D
So
that's
what
this
is
trying
to
build
towards
the
end
of
this
year
and
then
we
want
to
build
the
program
up.
So
it's
more
it's
more
robust
than
it
is
right
now
we
certainly
need
to
grow.
D
Well,
obviously,
the
local
crimes
that
we
have
here
related
to
cyber
crime
and
then,
as
you
mentioned,
the
international
perspective
which
the
RCMP
has
in
their
cyber
Center
here
in
Ottawa
that
we
can
tap
into
as
well
too.
But
Trish
do
you
have
any
anything
you
want
to
add
to
that.
O
Yes,
thank
you.
Thanks
for
the
question,
cyber
conversation
can
be
crimes
that
are
committed,
but
with
the
use
of
a
computer
or
they
can
be,
the
computer
can
be
the
mechanism
for
the
crime.
So
there's
a
number
of
different
ways
to
go
about
this
and
we're
looking
at
which
ones
are
going
to
fill
the
need
and
the
Gap
that
we
have
right
now
in
the
city
of
Ottawa.
As
the
chief
mentioned,
we
we
do
now.
O
If
we
have
significant
crimes
that
are
multi-jurisdictional
and
international,
we
will
rely
on
the
RCMP
quite
heavily,
and
the
opp
have
also
been
able
to
assist
us
in
in
filling
some
of
that
Gap
right
now,
it's
one
of
those
investigations
or
types
of
Investigations
that
require
significant
training.
O
So
we,
this
is
part
of
the
build
up
to
getting
these
people
folks
who
are
going
to
be
assigned
to
this
trained
appropriately,
so
that
when
we
are
able
to
to
open
up
and
take
these
investigations,
we
will
be
in
a
good
position
to
do
that.
L
Perfect
yeah
and
I
did
notice,
it
wasn't
for
HR,
but
it
was
more
for
o
m
type
type
funding
and
yeah
I
know
I
was
just
interested
in
knowing
I
would
imagine,
as
this
is
kind
of
developing,
that
you
would
need
to
build
significant
expertise
and
sort
of
that
emerging
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much
and
I'll.
Let
cat
the
member
Curry
ask
remember.
AE
So
I
it's
funny
because
I
was
talking
to
a
counselor
just
the
other
day
about
the
section
of
this.
That
counselor
had
not
read
it,
but
the
section
of
the
of
this
document
pages
37
and
38,
which
indicate
what
20
25
might
look
like.
2026
might
look
like
24
25.
and
you
look
at
the
there's,
a
assumption
always
that
they
would
be
an
assessment-based
growth
of
1.5
percent
in
2024
and
2025
and
2026..
1.5
percent
is
what
we've
traditionally
had,
but
it's
not
a
guarantee.
So
I
would
just
caution
everybody
on
that
one.
AE
We
had
2.2
this
year,
which
was
a
windfall
really
that
that's
unique,
but
what
I
see
is
so
maybe
what
can?
What
would
be
considered
more
realistic,
1.5
for
each
of
the
next
three
years,
but
even
1.5
might
be
dicey.
So
I
just
say
that,
because
you
know
what
we're
seeing
with
high
interest
rates
and
what's
happening
at
planning
committee,
it's
a
little
bit
of
a
different
ball
game
right
now
for
what
growth
we
have
in
this
city.
But
anyway,
all
that
to
say.
AE
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
comment,
because
you
know
if
we
Bank
on
it
and
it
doesn't
happen
we
need
to.
We
need
to
be
prepared
for
that.
The
other
thing
I
was
going
to
say
was
there
was
one
other
comment:
I
was
going
to
make
about
that.
AE
Oh
sorry,
so
to
the
point
of
the
counselor
I
was
talking
to
was
saying
it's
very
smart
to
do
year
to
project
out
so
and
that
that
I'm
really
happy
about,
because
we
do
need
to
do
that
and
we
seem
to
do
it
in
every
other
entity.
But-
and
maybe
this
is
standard
but
I
have
just
not
realized
that
so
I
do
like
to
see
that
I
just
want
to
caution.
People
about
1.5,
I
think
I
had
one
more
thing:
I
was
going
to
ask
I
wasn't
going
to
ask
about
uniforms
but
I.
AE
You
know
it's
interesting
to
see
that
level
of
detail
in
here
that
that
might
be
an
option.
Yeah
I
guess.
The
only
other
comment
I
would
make.
Is
that
the
section
on
violence
against
women?
You
know
we
talked
about
and
I
asked
the
question
earlier.
I
know
I
hadn't
read
the
newspapers
to
see
that
all
victims
were
male
but
I
just
understood.
We
had
four
homicides,
but
in
in
the
data
we're
given
in
this,
it
indicates
that
there
were
16
homicide
victims
in
2022.
AE
Seven
were
female
and
I
guess
I
wouldn't
want
to
lose
the
fact
that
nine
were
male.
You
know
we
do
care
about
everybody.
You
know
it's
not
good,
that
seven
were
female,
but
nine
were
male.
There
were
16.,
and
so
there
are
absolutely
different
things
we
have
to
put
in
place,
but
to
even
have
16
is
is
a
a
real
concern.
You
know
male
or
female,
so
I
just
again.
AE
I
just
want
to
say
that
I'm
I
was
really
pleased
to
see
the
level
of
detail
and
I
really
look
forward
to
our
strategic
planning
and
I
look
forward
to
figuring
out
what
kpis
and
I
look
forward
to
the
data
that
we
may
be
able
to
have
so
I
think
that
I'm
really
forward
to
I'm
looking
forward
to
voting
on
this
and
approving
it.
A
I
see
none
all
right:
2023
draft
operating
and
capital
budget
public
delegations
and
approval
number
one
that
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
Board
approved
the
Ottawa
Police
service's
2023
draft
operating
and
capital
budget,
and
two
approve
the
delegation
of
authority
to
the
chief
of
police
to
execute
and
administer
the
2023
Fleet
replacement
program
up
to
a
maximum
of
5.2
million.
Is
this
carried
Carrie
carrot?
Thank
you.
Okay,
going
down
my
list.
The
last
item
that
was
held
was
the
legal
services
status
report.
Fourth
quarter:
twenty
twenty
twenty
two:
twenty
twenty
two
from
the
board
solicitor.
A
Who
who
wanted
to
ask
a
question
on
this?
One.
B
Thanks
Madam
chair,
if
I
can
ask
I
noted
that
we
have
standing
offers
with
law
firms
for
the
period
of
2019-2022.
B
I
just
wanted
to
ask:
is
that
going
forward?
Do
we
have
do
we
have
a
new
standing
offer
process
in
advice
for
law
firms
or
not
in
place
yeah.
AI
Mr
White
chair,
the
the
former
term
standing
offer,
has
been
extended
for
six
months,
we're
just
finalizing
the
paperwork
on
that
we
anticipate.
We
will
be
going
back
out
to
the
market
through
competitive
procurement
to
to
look
for
that
standing
off
or
list
of
firms
for
29
or
2019
2023
now
down
out
to
2026.
B
As
the
last
paragraph
it
says
here,
the
claims
unit
has
paid
out
23
662
in
compensation
for
non-litigated
claims,
so
compared
to
1.621
million.
At
the
same
at
the
same
point,
the
previous
year
is
trying
to
better
understand
the
Delta
there
like.
Why
is
such
a
difference?.
AI
Chair
included
in
that
number
of
non-litigated
claim,
payments
are
payments
that
are
made
under
the
insurance
act
for
accident
benefits,
so
those
are
those
are
required
under
statute.
We
report,
though,
once
that
claim
is
closed.
So
what
you
may
have
are,
in
that
instance,
for
example,
10
years
of
monthly
or
semi-monthly
payments
made
under
the
the
statutory
accident
benefit
program
to
someone
who's
been
injured
in
a
motor
vehicle
accident
involving
a
well
City
vehicle,
but
a
city
vehicle,
that's
being
employed
by
the
Ottawa,
Police
Service
and
so
the
Delta.
AI
There
is
the
fact
that
that
reporting
takes
place
once
that
file
is
closed
out.
But,
unlike
something
like
a
torque
claim
where
you,
you
know,
it's
closed
on
a
on
a
one-time
payment
in
this
instance,
it's
the
it's
the
total
of
of
an
accumulated
series
of
payments
made
over
years.
So
that's
why
you
get
that
Delta
that
significant
Delta
in
that
instance,
okay,.
A
Good
all
right,
thank
you
very
much.
Mr
White,
one
very
quick
question.
AE
Yes,
go
ahead.
Sorry
on
this
same
reports,
507
we're
still
on
it.
Word
says
that
the
following
chart
reflects
the
total
number
of
claims
currently
open,
involving
the
auto
Police
Services
Board.
Is
it
technically?
Is
it?
Is
that
correct
that
it
is
actually
the
board
that,
because
we
have
to
in
the
end
deal
with
them,
is
that
right
that
it's
involving
the
board.
AI
Chair
under
I
do
believe
in
section
50,
subsection
one
of
the
police
services
act.
The
board
is
liable
for
any
tort
committed
by
any
member
of
the
yellow,
Police
Service,
and
so
a
claim
brought
against
the
board
is
brought
in
the
name
of
the
board.
The
the
auto
Police
Service
doesn't
really
exist
as
a
legal
entity.
In
that
way,.
AE
A
Remember,
Curry
your
hands
still
up.
Is
there
something
else
that
you
want
to
ask?
No
you're
good
all
right
that
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
Board
received
this
sorry
legal
service
status
report.
Fourth
quarter
that
the
Ottawa
Police
Services
Board,
received
this
report
for
information.
Is
it
received
thanks.
A
Received
all
right
good,
all
right
is
there
any
other
business
that
you'd
like
to
discuss
tonight.
AE
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
there
are
a
couple
emotions
that
I
had
written
up,
but
I
just
was
trying
to
figure
out
when
the
best
timing
was
one
was
about
rising
and
Reporting,
and
one
was
about
regarding
the
AGS
report
for
our
the
role
of
our
city
solicitor.
AE
So
I
just
was
wondering
if
city
council,
you
give
notice,
and
you
read
it
out
ahead
of
time
and
I'm
not
actually
prepared
to
do
that
right
now,
but
I
just
wanted
to
generally
give
notice
to
the
board,
because
I
also
don't
want
to
just
throw
emotion
out
there
if
it's
not
their
best
timing
for
it.
I'd
like
to
know
when
the
right
timing
is
because
maybe
we
have
an
agenda
item
on
it
or
we're
going
to
have
a
discussion
or
whatever
it
is
so.
AE
Like
flag
this,
that
I
I
have
two
motions
written,
but
I
would
just
like
people
to
know
that
and
then
I'll
think
about
when
I
you
know
when's
the
best
time
to
bring
them
forward
right.
A
And
I
think
that
discussion
we
could
have
with
our
executive
director
who
you
know,
is
aware
of
the
agenda
and
the
reports
that
are
coming
through
and
so
to
match
those
up
with
the
right
timing.
We
can
certainly
address
that
member
member
car.
L
Yeah
hi
I
just
had
a
follow-up
for
the
chief
based
on
something
I
I
had
asked
about
the
body
cameras
you
mentioned
that
you
had
a
report.
I
think
that
was
positive
and
I
wondered
if
that
was
something
that
could
be
shared
with
board
members
and
or
the
public.
D
Yeah,
you
know
I
think
when
we,
when
we
do
prepare
that
business
case
I,
think
it'll
be
a
part
for
us
to
be.
You
know,
showing
all
sides
of
the
of
the
argument
that
here's,
where
this
report
you
know
and
Link
it
to
a
report,
says
and
summarize
it
that
it
says
that
it's
positive
and
here's
one
that
that
says
otherwise
so
everybody's
properly
informed
on
on
on
whether
to
approve
this
project
or
not.
Okay,.
L
A
Anything
else,
member
Carr.
No
thank
you.
Okay,
all
right,
well,
I
think
this
concludes
our
meeting.
Thank
you.
Everybody
for
participating.
The
way
that
you
did
today
and
I
really
appreciate
all
of
the
effort
and
and
everything
else
and
our
delegations
as
well.
Our
next
meeting
will
be
held
on
Monday,
March,
27th,
and
so
at
this
point
in
time,
I
would
like
to
please
have
a
motion
for
adjournment
so
moved.