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A
B
C
Counselor
harder
sent
regret,
counselor
king,
I
don't
see
a
member
bassett.
I
believe
I
let
you
in
yeah.
Okay,
remember
duncan,
remember,
remember
kirkpatrick,.
A
Okay,
thank
you
so
much
so
we
have
one
item
on
today's
agenda
and
it
is
the
interim
is
a
report
on
the
interim
official
plan,
the
as
we
heard
it
report.
So
this
was
just
released
last
week,
two
members
of
council.
I
believe
the
members
of
committee
received
it
around
the
same
time,
if
not
shortly
after
so
we're
here
today
to
receive
a
presentation
on
that
report
and
to
have
any
questions
or
discussions
around
that,
and
this
all
leads
into
the
the
next
draft
of
the
official
plan
which
comes
to
committee
and
council.
A
C
I
have
the
presentation,
but
I'd
be
happy.
If
elaine
wants
to
do
it,
I
can
give
him
privileges.
A
E
Thanks
very
much
cheer,
it's
okay,
I'll
start
right
now,
then,
okay,
so
we
are
here
to
give
you
an
update
on
what
we've
heard
from
the
public
consultation
that
surrounded
the
draft
of
the
new
official
plan.
As
you
remember,
on
november
20th
of
last
year,
we
issued
the
first
copy
of
the
draft
or
the
first
version
of
the
new
official
plan,
and
that
was
basically
put
out
there
for
public
consultation.
E
It
was
also
distributed
for
technical
circulation
to
all
internal
departments,
all
partner
agencies,
the
city
of
gatineau,
national
capital,
commission,
federal
departments
and
ministries,
conservation
authorities,
school
boards,
etc,
utilities,
and
so
on.
E
And
you
know
we
received
a
tremendous
amount
of
correspondence
and
feedback,
technical
feedback
and
public
feedback.
E
So
this
presentation
will
touch
on
the
overall
themes
that
we
heard
citywide
and
give
you
a
flavor
of
some
of
the
changes
that
we'll
be
making
to
the
next
version
of
the
new
official
plan,
and
there
will
be
as
well
additional
reports
with
the
as
we
heard
it
focused
on
each
ward,
so
23
of
them
in
addition
to
the
city-wide
and
then
starting
next
week
we
have
a
series
of
neat
evenings
one
for
each
transect,
where
residents
have
an
opportunity
to
talk
to
us
planners
about
all
the
items
in
the
as
we
heard
report
and
ask
us
questions
about
their
neighborhoods
I'll
turn
it
over
to
charmaine
for
an
overview
of
the
consultation.
F
Thank
you,
lynn
and
thank
you
chair
and
so
for
the
engagement
tactics.
As
elena
mentioned,
we
have
received
a
lot
of
feedback.
I
think
it
was
over
1500
feedback.
Each
piece
of
feedback
has
been
is
being
tracked
and
has
been
responded
to.
We
have
used
a
variety
of
different
engagement
tactics
and
they
have
been
very
successful.
We
have
reached
over
a
hundred
thousand
residents
in
our
engagement
pieces
with
a
variety
of
pieces
using
a
website.
F
We've
done
news
articles,
op-eds
public
events,
short
videos
and
social
media,
so
a
variety
of
techniques
ensuring
that
we're
meeting
meeting
all
the
different
needs
of
diverse
groups,
ensuring
that
everyone
has
a
voice
and
the
opportunity
to
participate.
This
map
shows
the
different
it's
hard
to
see,
or
maybe
it's
my
my
eyes
shows
all
the
different
areas
that
there
has
been
engagement
opportunities
so
you'll
see
that
the
red
it
shows
that
the
most
because
it's
most
dense,
but
we
have
been
able
to
engage
a
lot
of
the
different
like
the
world.
F
We
did
a
lot
of
outreach
with
the
world.
We
did
the
survey
for
the
15-minute
neighborhood,
which
it
was
done
in
august
and
as
alain
will
mention
cannabis,
we're
on
a
race
who
would
who
would
win
the
cannabis
survey
or
the
15-minute
neighborhood
and
we're
still
telling
the
results.
We
had
over
four
thousand
response,
and
we
did
that
in
last
august.
So
a
great
turnout
for
the
different
engagement
pieces
over
to
you
ellen.
E
Thanks
rameen,
and
actually
just
looking
at
this
map,
you'll
notice
that
we
actually
got
responses
from
outside
the
city
of
ottawa
which,
including
in
chelsea
and
gatineau,
and
you
know,
north
grenville,
mississippi
mills
back
with
russell.
So
I
mean
it
goes
to
show.
I
guess
the
the
deep
affection
that
people
have
for
ottawa
even
outside
our
boundaries.
E
So
these
are
some
of
the
themes
that
we
heard
and
I
think
you
know
the
biggest
one
had
to
do
with
the
biggest
change
that
we
were
introducing,
which
is
introducing
the
transects
into
the
mapping
of
the
official
plan.
As
you
remember,
the
transects
are
the
concentric
circles
that
outline
the
different
areas
of
the
city
based
on
context,
and
we
had
a
few.
You
know
dozens
of
pieces
of
feedback
asking
about
what
why
certain
areas
were
contained
in
one
transect
area
as
opposed
to
another,
and
what.
D
E
What
we
ended
up
doing
is
revising
the
boundaries
of
the
transect
to
be
more
faithful
to
the
era
of
construction
of
neighborhoods,
which
is
something
that
people
have
an
easier
time
relating
to
in
terms
of
the
logic
of
mapping.
So
the
inner
urban
transect
got
a
little
smaller
and
it
now
really
contains
the
neighborhoods
between
1900
and
1950.
Roughly
and
the
outer
urban
transect
got
a
little
larger
because
it
now
also
includes
neighborhoods
that
were
built
roughly
after
1915..
E
This
includes
the
alta
vista
neighborhood,
as
well
as
the
old
nepean
neighborhoods
and
the
old
city
of
ottawa,
neighborhoods
south
of
baseline,
and
when
you
get
to
maryvale
west
of
maryvale
on
both
sides
of
baseline.
E
There
were
concerns
with
another
innovation
that
we've
introduced,
which
is
overlays.
We
had
two
overlays,
the
transforming
overlay
and
the
evolving
overlay
both
were
important.
Our
official
plan
is
going
to
be
much
more
focused
on
built
form
and
public
realm
and
much
less
on
land
use.
So
we
want
the
shape
of
the
city
to
be
right
context
by
context
and
the
overlays
were
there
to
guide
the
evolution
from
one
to
another
or
to
reinforce,
in
the
case
of
the
urban,
the
urban
typologies
of
buildings
and
site
designs.
E
We
felt
when
we
heard
from
people
that
that
would
be
easier
to
understand
as
well
as
to
you
know:
where
does
the
city
and
where
does
the
official
plan
call
for
gradual
change
in
character
and
that's
based
on
hubs
and
corridors?
E
There
was
a
lot
of,
I
guess,
concern
about
our
minimum
density
requirements
for
neighborhoods.
A
lot
of
people
felt
that
they
were
too
high
and
we
had
another
look.
Obviously,
the
other
side
of
this
ledger
is
that
we
need
to
make
the
numbers
contained
in
the
growth
management
strategy,
which
is
approved
by
council
and
goes
hand
in
hand
with
our
urban
expansion
package.
E
So
we've
been
able
to
recalculate,
and
basically
I
mean
the
draft
official
plan
was,
you
know,
had
numbers
that
that
made
the
math
work,
but
they
were
very
coarse.
E
We
reanalyzed
the
numbers
that
we
need
to
have
in
the
official
plan
based
on
implementation,
and
for
that
we
enlisted
the
help
of
our
colleagues
in
zoning,
and
we
started
to
work
on
how
they
would
take
this
information
and
start
to
roll
it
out
in
neighborhoods.
So
what
we
ended
up
with
are
minimum
density
requirements
now
become
targets,
they're
no
longer
expressed
as
a
single
number
they're
expressed
as
a
range.
E
So
within
that
range,
zoning
will
have
the
ability
to
capture
different
contexts
and
be
sensitive
to
variations
neighborhood
by
neighborhood
and
related
to
that,
the
ability
to
rebuild
single-family
homes
I
mean
the
minute
we
go
to
targets
instead
of
requirements.
That
is
a
non-issue
now.
So
people
would
have
the
ability
to
tear
down
a
single
family
home
and
replace
it
with
another
one.
In
neighborhoods
there
were
people
who
were
calling
for
a
reversal
of
the
decision
to
expand
the
urban
boundary.
E
There
was
a
call
to
remove
major
office
as
a
permitted
as
of
right
thing
that
you
can
do
in
the
heart
of
a
neighborhood,
and
we
did
remove
that
a
lot
of
feedback
on
affordable
housing,
so
the
eop
we
were
told
needs
to
do
more
for
affordable
housing.
On
that
one,
we
did
two
things
one
I
mean.
Obviously
we
are
getting
a
lot
of
feedback
and
and
from
other
quarters
we're
getting
pressure
to
do
the
opposite.
E
E
E
That's
part
of
the
intensification
target
and
another
one
is
that
we
have
a
whole
section
now
that
talks
about
affordability,
not
just
like
the
deep
affordability
as
we
used
to
only
focus
on
which
is
up
to
the
30th
income
percentile,
but
we
now
also
talk
about
the
30th
to
60th
income
percentile,
and
that
also
sets
up
the
zoning
to
provide
opportunities
for
more
flexible
types
of
homes,
especially
in
existing
neighborhoods,
where
we
know
the
land
is
expensive
already,
there
were
questions
about
some
of
the
words
that
we
were
using
so
regeneration.
E
There
was
some
pushback
on
that
word
because
it
came
with
connotations
from
the
60s
that
were
not
always,
you
know,
appreciated
the
use
of
the
word
appropriate.
The
use
of
the
word
consistent.
So
we
did
a
couple
of
updates.
We
are
no
longer
using
the
word
regeneration.
I
think
people
understood
the
word.
Intensification,
that's
what
the
provincial
policy
statement
uses
so
we're
going
back
to
it.
E
There
was
a
piece
of
feedback
that
said
that
you
know
we
should
stop
intensification
until
we
have
all
the
infrastructure,
all
the
transit,
all
the
amenities
and
the
the
reality
of
the
matter
is
we
don't
really
have
any
tools
to
do
that,
even
if
we
wanted
to
there's
no
mechanism
under
the
planning
act
or
the
municipal
act.
That
would
allow
the
city
to
refuse.
E
Permit
based
on
not
having
enough
supporting
infrastructure
or
transit
or
amenities
or
services
in
a
general
vicinity,
but
in
general
you
know,
and
when
we
look
at
how
cities
are
built,
these
things
have
to
go
hand
in
hand.
E
The
official
plan
does
a
much
better
job
at
recognizing
that
with
increasing
population,
neighborhoods
will
need
services
to
keep
up,
and
the
existing
efficiency
plan
was
pretty
silent
on
that.
But
the
new
official
plan
is
a
lot
more
explicit,
and
this
is
something
that
we're
going
to
continue
to
review.
Basically,
what
we
want
is
to
synchronize
in
fill
in
intensification,
and
you
know,
increases
in
population
with
the
levels
of
services
that
the
city
provides
and
the
permissions
that
we
provide
for
the
private
sector
to
support
neighborhoods
on
permissions
to
to
the
private
sector.
E
Obviously,
we've
got
you
know
a
lot
more
in
this
official
plan
and
on
the
other
departments.
Well,
we've
been
talking
a
lot
more
with
transportation,
with
infrastructure,
with
parks
and
facilities
with
community
and
social
social
services,
with
libraries
with
the
school
boards.
E
A
lot
of
these
departments
and
other
stakeholders
are
getting
mapping
from
us
and
are
getting
population
projections
from
us,
so
they
can
start
to
also
plan
their
facilities
in
the
future,
in
accordance
with
our
projections
lot
of
questions
on
minor
corridors.
So
we
have
explained
in
the
as
we
heard
it
report
and
in
the
revised
version,
the
official
plan,
what
a
minor
corridor
is
meant
to
be
and
what
it's
not
meant
to
be.
A
lot
of
people
were
scared
that
minor
corridor
designation
would
mean
we're
going
to
widen
the
road.
E
That's
not
what
it
means.
A
lot
of
people
were
concerned
as
well.
That
minor
corridor
meant
that
we
want
to
transform
that
street
into
a
like
a
commercial
alignment
like
a
continuous
commercial
main
street,
and
that's
not
the
case
either
minor
corridors
are
basically
just
more
important
streets
in
the
neighborhood
they're,
the
road
in
and
out
of
the
neighborhood.
That's
usually
where
you
would
find
bus
routes
that
feed
into
stations
and
those
are
the
streets
where
we
can
start
to
put
in
the
seeds
of
15-minute
neighborhoods
in
areas
where
they
don't
exist.
E
An
interesting
one,
a
lot
of
people
told
us
you're
not
making
as
good
a
use
of
your
main
streets
as
you
could
so
have
another.
Look
at
your
height
limits.
A
lot
of
people
qualified
that
immediately
by
saying
traditional
main
streets
keep
them
the
way
they
are
mid-rise
and
so
we're
doing
that.
E
But
for
those
wider
main
streets
you
know
in
the
outer
urban
transect
in
the
suburban
transit,
the
wider
main
streets,
a
new
policy
will
propose
to
allow
high-rise
buildings
on
streets
that
are
30
meters
or
wider,
but
only
in
certain
cases
you
need
a
piece
of
land,
that's
big
enough
to
handle
a
building
of
that
size
and
you
need
to
transition
well
to
the
houses
in
the
back
or
on
the
side.
So
there's
going
to
be
qualifiers
on
that.
E
But
if
you
have
a
big
piece
of
land,
let's
just
say
a
shopping
center,
take
a
carlingwood
shopping
center,
big
piece
of
land,
it's
on
a
huge
arterial,
carling
avenue,
which
is
more
than
30
meters
wide,
and
why
30
meters,
by
the
way?
Well,
30
meters
is
also
the
height
of
what
starts
to
be
a
10
story,
building
which
is
a
high
rise.
E
E
Most
of
the
the
existing
mixed-use
sanders
already
have
secondary
plans
that
allow
for
taller
buildings,
and
here
we're
replacing
it
just
with
the
permission
for
high-rise
buildings
again
in
the
heart
of
the
hub
high-rise
buildings
and
in
the
areas
you
know
in
the
outer
ring
a
budding
neighborhoods
you'll
have
that
same
approach
that
you
need
a
piece
of
land.
That's
big
enough!
E
Goba,
the
greater
ottawa
home
builders
association
is
concerned
with
the
incremental
effects
of
policies
we
keep
adding
new
policies
and
each
policy's
requirement
it
can
add
to
the
cost
of
housing
and
again
affordability
is,
is
a
prime
concern.
Interestingly,
goba
is
very
vocal
about
their
concerns
on
housing,
affordability
and
there
they've
been
saying.
Affordability
is
a
good
trump
card
for
ottawa,
it's
a
competitive
edge.
We
can
compete
with
toronto
for
workers
and
young
people
and
we
need
to
stay
an
affordable
city.
E
We
agree
with
them,
so
we're
going
to
keep
working
with
them
to
rationalize
policies
and
really
what's
happening
with
the
official
plan.
Is
the
focus
of
our
attention
is
going
to
different
places.
Like
I
said,
we
we
want
to
worry
less
about
land
use,
which
is
what
20th
century
planning
worry
about
a
lot.
We
want
to
worry
more
about
urban
form,
about
the
shape
of
buildings,
about
good
public
space,
so
in
so
much
as
we
have
new
areas
of
interest
and
policy
concern.
E
At
the
same
time,
we
want
to
liberalize
on
areas
where
we
don't
necessarily
have
as
much
a
concern
or
concern
the
same
type
anymore,
and
we
think
that
we'll
get
to
something
that
that
will
make
sense,
stronger
flood
risk
management.
So
again
we
have
revised
policies
to
basically
say
that
what
we
now
call
the
climate
vulnerable
flood
area
is
the
one
to
350
flood.
E
Those
are
the
more
massive
floods
that
would
be
triggered
by
significant
climate
change,
related
weather
patterns.
Changing
the
conservation
authorities
are
working
with
us
and
they've
been
mapping
all
this
again.
The
statutory
floodplain
remains
per
the
pps,
but
we
put
the
one
to
350
there
as
a
connection
to
our
climate
change
master
plan
and
our
resiliency
analysis
better
protection
of
tree
canopy.
E
So
on
this
one
we
think-
and
we
would
like
the
public
to
to
also
see
that
the
new
official
plan
actually
goes
much
further,
we're
much
clearer
than
the
current
official
plan.
On
the
importance
of
protecting
urban
trees.
We
went
from
a
30
target
to
a
40
target.
E
A
lot
of
desire
to
see
15-minute
neighborhoods
expand
across
the
city.
This
has
been
one
of
the
most
popular
themes
in
the
official
plan,
so
ironically,
you're
gonna
see
that
we
have
the
expression
50
minute,
neighborhoods
a
lot
less.
In
the
new
official
plan,
we
did
a
very
thorough
and
surgical
editing
and
we
had
peppered
that
expression
all
over
the
place.
Perhaps
a
lot
more
than
was
necessary,
but
we've
tightened
it
and
we've
clarified
what
we
mean.
So
the
official
plan's
intent
is
to
support
15-minute
neighborhoods
and
strengthen
them
where
they
exist.
E
It
is
to
help
those
neighborhoods
that
are
just
bubbling
under
and
need
a
little
more
of
a
nudge
to
get
there
in
the
25
years
of
the
plan
and
in
areas
that
are
not
15
minute
neighborhoods.
We
want
to
plant
the
seeds
for
them
so
that
the
people
who
come
after
us
and
those
who
are
doing
the
official
plan
after
this
one
can
be
can
pick
up
from
there.
E
There
was
the
concept
of
the
18-hour
city
for
suburban
communities.
Obviously,
suburban
communities
are
not
24-hour
cities,
so
we
have
two
policies
that
call
for
good
connections
from
suburban
areas
into
those
parts
of
the
city
that
function
as
15,
minute,
neighborhoods
24
hours,
and
also
to
increase
transit
service
within
suburban
communities,
so
that
people
in
suburban
communities
can
have
better
access
to
the
stuff.
That's
in
their
community.
As
opposed
to
having
to
trek
the
downtown.
F
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
alan.
So,
a
theme
about
the
engagement
with
our
indigenous
communities
and
we,
our
response,
is
our
commitment
to
work
with
the
indigenous
communities
throughout
and
beyond
the
new
op,
and
we
will
amend
the
policies
when
necessary.
The
indigenous
communities
are
important
and
important
partners,
and
we
want
to
ensure
that
we
take
the
time
they're
not
on
our
timeline,
we're
on
their
timeline
and
so,
if
necessary,
we'll
amend
policies
as
as
we
need
to.
F
We
have
reached
out
with
all
of
the
different
indigenous
peoples
and
had
initiated
conversations
and
will
continue
to
do
so.
A
theme
did
come
about
to
extend
the
timeline
for
the
adoption
of
a
new
official
plan.
The
response
is,
there
will
be
no
changes.
The
project
timeline
from
the
new
official
plan
was
determined
by
our
elective
representatives
at
city
council,
so
we
do
not
have
the
authority
to
extend
the
timeline.
F
Another
theme
that
came
out
is
not
enough
consultation
with
residents,
but
we
had
multi
phases
of
engagement
and
we've
seen
significantly
higher
numbers
than
any
official
plan
update
in
the
past.
As
mentioned,
we've
had
over
a
hundred
thousand.
The
last
official
plan
would
had
approximately
over
eight
thousand,
so
ten
thousand
ten,
not
ten
thousand
more
than
that.
F
Ten
times
the
amount
of
engagement
we've
done
over
a
hundred
different
activities
and
we've
reached
different
demographics,
and
we
have
reached
before
I
have
to
say,
with
the
virtual
engagement
we've
reached
a
lot
of
our
younger
and
families
who
can
now
pop
in
and
while
they're,
making
dinner
reading
the
kids
having
putting
them
to
bed
and
they're
still
can
participate.
So
we've
done
that.
I
I
feel,
we've
really
had
the
opportunity
provide
the
opportunity
to
a
lot
of
different
demographics
and
different
residents
over
to
ellen.
E
Charmaine,
a
lot
of
people
asked
about
the
coven
19
impacts
on
the
official
plan.
Obviously,
there's
going
to
be
a
number
of
impacts
that
will
need
to
gauge
over
time.
E
There
are
a
number
of
things
that
we're
you
know
keeping
an
eye
on,
and
I
can
answer
questions
on
that
later.
If,
if
there
are
any,
we
were
also
referred
to
other
plans,
the
older
adult
plan
and
other
plans
and
again
the
next
one,
uncertain
how
the
official
plan
intersects
with
other
master
plans.
E
So
again,
we
have
been
working
with
the
colleagues
in
various
other
service
areas
and
departments
to
make
sure
that
we
coordinated
with
what
their
exercises
were
doing,
align
messaging
with
what
they
were
saying,
much
more
so
than
in
previous
official
plans.
E
In
this
particular
official
plan,
I'm
proud
to
note
how
well
we've
been
working
with
transportation
planning,
with
infrastructure
planning
and
with
parks
and
rec,
not
necessarily
always
seeing
eye
to
eye
but
seeing
issues
through
to
resolution
so
that
we
land
as
one
city
one
team
on
what
the
official
plan
is
saying.
E
So
in
terms
of
next
steps,
I
don't
know
charmaine
if
you
want
to
cover
this
piece
sure.
F
Thank
you,
alan,
so
some
next
steps,
as
was
mentioned
at
the
beginning
by
chair
moffat,
we
have
released
the
citywide
as
we
heard
it
report.
I
hope
everyone's
had
the
opportunity
to
look
at
it
and
alan,
and
I
have
just
gone
through
the
highlights
of
it
this
this
summer
the
full,
updated
draft
policies
will
be
released.
F
They
will
be
released
in
track
changes,
so
I
people
can
see
what
changes
have
been
made
will
be
easier
plus
we
will
have
a
clean
copy
as
well,
and
the
new
official
plan
will
be
brought
to
the
joint
meeting
of
agriculture
and
rural
affairs
and
planning
committee
in
the
middle
of
september
and
then
to
then
to
council
in
september
as
well.
F
Thank
you
we're
continuing
the
public
consultation,
the
project,
email
that
the
new
op
at
ottawa.ca
will
remain
open
throughout
the
process
and,
as
I
mentioned,
each
item
of
feedback
that
we
receive
continues
to
be
tracked
and
shared
with
our
planners.
They
have
been
very
good
and
very
responsive
to
the
questions
and
ensuring
that
all
of
the
feedback
is
tracked
and
responded
to
you
next
slide,
please
and
now
one
more
pitch
for
the.
F
What
we're
doing
next
week,
we
will
have
these
award-specific
interim
reports
we're
getting
those
completed
as
fast
as
we
can
and
we
would
do
have
coming
next
week.
We
do
have
our
five
different
transect
meetings
and
if
you
go
to
in
ottawa,
ca
slash
the
new
op.
You
will
get
keep
updated
on
all
the
engagement
activities.
E
Thanks
jermaine
thanks
very
much,
mr
chairman,
happy
to
take
questions.
A
Great,
thank
you
so
much
la
thank
you
charmaine.
I
appreciate
appreciate
seeing
that
presentation
for
the
fourth
time
and
always
good
to
run
through
it.
It
feels
like
it's
fresh
and
new
every
time.
It's
that's
how
good
you
are
at
doing
it,
but
yeah
so
happy
to
take
questions.
I
see
counselor
kavanagh
has
joined
us
here
as
well.
So
appreciate
appreciate
that
so
we'll
go
straight
to
our
members
of
the
committee
here.
So
david
renfrow,
you
are
first.
C
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
I
have
two
questions.
One
is
the
there's
supposed
to
be
a
statutory
open
house
this
summer?
Is
that
still
schedule?
That's
my
first
question:
if
charmaine
do
you
wanna.
F
Yes,
it
is,
we
don't
have
the
exact
date
for
it,
it
will
be
towards
the
end
of
august,
but
it
has
to
be
we're
required
to
do
it.
20
days
prior
to
the
joint
committee.
Okay,.
C
Thank
you,
I'm
just
asking
to
pass
it
on
to
the
global
members.
The
other
question
through
through
the
chair
for
probably
for
elaine,
I
just
if
the
minimum
density
requirements
are
changed
from
requirements
to
targets.
Are
you
so
confident
we're
going
to
achieve
the
60
intensification
target.
E
Yes,
I
am
obviously
I
mean
it
took
a
lot
of
analysis
and
it
looked.
E
We
looked
at
well,
first
of
all,
right
now
we
have
targets,
we
don't
have
requirements
and
with
the
targets
that
we
have,
we've
surpassed
our
current
intensification
target,
which
is
40
so
with
the
changes
that
we
anticipate
in
zoning
after
the
adoption
of
the
op
we've
calculated-
and
this
was-
and
I
think
one
of
the
the
communications
there's
about
178
000
eligible
parcels
of
land
in
all
the
neighborhoods
of
ottawa
that
could
potentially
be
candidates
for
for
intensification,
so
out
of
178
000
parcels
of
land.
E
We
need
49
000
dwelling
units,
big
enough
for
large
households
and
47
000
apartments,
which
probably
will
be
mostly
found
near
transit
stations
and
on
main
streets.
So
I
think,
we'll,
I
think,
we'll
be
all
right.
We
did
a
number
of
stress
tests
on
the
math.
We
did
another,
a
number
of
scenario,
calculations
and
we
do
get
there.
B
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
land
team
for
the
for
the
presentation.
I've
had
a
chance
to
to
go
through
the.
As
we
heard
a
report,
you
have
first
a
couple
of
quick
questions
and
then
I
have
some
comments.
If
that's
okay,
so
very
quickly,
maps
for
transects
are
they
available?
I
I
know
that
the
schedules,
the
dates
for
those
transact
meetings-
are
up
on
the
engage
ottawa
site.
Are
there
maps
available?
B
Did
I
miss
them
so
that
we
actually
know
now
that
the
boundaries
have
been
shifted,
which
residents
will
know
which
transect
they're
they
actually
live
in?
Are
they
proposed
to
will
those
be
made
available
so.
E
Yes,
the
the
answer
is
yes,
charmaine
and
I
are
gonna
talk
about
this
tomorrow
morning.
There
is
one
small
change
we
still
have
to
make
and
then
we
we
will
make
them
available.
B
Okay,
yeah,
I
think
that's
that's
obviously
important
you
mentioned
the
ward
reports
are
they're
coming
out
as
soon
as
possible.
So
that's
great
looking
looking
forward
to
seeing
those
just
some
comments.
I
guess
the
report
doesn't
make
any
mention
of
the
many
requests
that
I
believe
were
made,
and
I
can't
say
I
read
all
of
the
submissions
that
were
made
to
planning
the
planning
department
for
the
draft
official
plan,
but
I
know
that
there
were
a
lot
of
requests
made
for
modeling
to
be
shared.
This
is
my.
B
I
feel
like
a
bit
of
a
broken
record
on
this
one,
but
but
I
do
think
that
it's
it's
important
that
residents
and
stakeholders
can
actually
understand
the
assumptions
and
the
math
driving
the
density
requirements
and
targets
that
that
the
city
is
contemplating.
B
I
think,
like
you
mentioned,
I've
heard
stephen
willis
quoted
in
some
of
the
media
articles
and
saying
we
can.
We
can
make
our
math
work
and
so
that's
great,
but
I
guess
my
question
is:
where
is
the
math
and
the
explanation
of
those
underlying
assumptions
and
and
why,
if
it's
not
being
shared,
why
not
so
that
we
can
better
understand
the
policies
and
the
trade-offs
being
considered.
E
So
I
I
heard
your
comment
yeah,
so
we
we
do
plan
to
release
that
we
just
have
to
slot
it
in
a
calendar
of
releases
and
right
now
I
think
we're
just
focused
on
the
as
we
heard
our
reports,
and
we
also
want
to
get
the
draft
official
plan
out
into
the
public's
hands
as
quickly
as
possible,
but
that
information
will
be
made
available.
Yeah.
B
Okay,
do
we
have?
I
know
you
like.
I
have
asked
this
for
this
before
it's
already.
It's
obviously
something
that
is
it's
a
tool.
I
assume
that's
being
used.
If
we
don't
get
it
until
the
draft,
the
next
sorry,
the
updated
version
of
the
official
plan
comes
out,
it
really
doesn't
leave
it's
it's
not.
It
becomes
not
terribly
meaningful
in
terms
of
something
that
can
be
reviewed,
and
you
know
understood.
B
E
With
that
tables
and
math.
B
Yeah
yeah,
no,
that's
I
I
that's
what
that's
what
I
understood
as
well.
I'm
just
saying
that
if
we
don't,
if
we
don't
see
that
until
I
don't
know,
I
haven't
actually
heard
a
date,
but
sometime
deep
in
the
summer,
it
gives
very
little
opportunity
to
review
those
numbers
and,
as
I
said,
the
the
assumptions
so
that
we
have
some
some
sense
of
that,
and
I
think
I
I
do
think
that
that's
important.
B
Okay,
that's
great!
Thank
you.
Just
on
the
on
the
subject
of
the
of
the
tree
canopy
targets
you
mentioned,
and
I
think
this
the
focus
seems
to
be
on
on
the
the
the
bylaws
and
the
protection
of
trees,
which
I
think
is
great
and
they're
obviously
been
some
great
policy
improvements
in
that
area.
So
I
thank
the
city
for
that.
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
appreciation
for
the
work.
That's
been
done
there.
B
I
don't
think,
though,
anyone's
been
asking
for
tree
targets
by
street
or
by
lot,
but
I'm
wondering
what
the
response
is
to
why
targets
by
neighborhood
or
or
even
targets
by
transact
would
not
be
something
that
we
would
consider,
including
you
know.
Things
like
the
the
marlboro
forest
in
the
southwest
corner
of
the
city,
do
not
provide
shade
to
pedestrians
in
vanier
in
the
downtown
area,
and
so
we
just
have
such
a
global
figure.
I
and,
and
our
focus
is
on
protection
of
what
we
have.
B
E
E
So
maybe
a
couple
of
thoughts
on
that-
and
I
I
would
want
my
colleague,
nick
stoh
or
geraldine
wildman,
to
be
with
me
to
add
to
this,
but
I'll
I'll
do
my
best
at
you
know
representing
what
what
they
explain
and
we've
talked
to
them
quite
at
some
length
about
this.
They
would
find
it
very
difficult
and
not
very
productive
to
have
neighborhood
by
neighborhood
targets.
E
There
is
such
variability
in
the
context
of
each
neighborhood
in
the
in
the
built
form
of
each
neighborhood
that
the
the
40
number
would
not
mean
the
same
thing
in
each
neighborhood
and
it's
a
number.
It's
an
aspirational
number
it's
a
goal,
but
it
allows
the
city
to
take
certain
certain
measures
to
make
sure
that
trees
and
viable
trees
are
part
of
how
we
see
full
city
building.
Just
to
give
you
a
bit
of
a
like
a
bizarre
example.
E
You
know
the
ncc
tells
us,
you
know,
don't
count
our
land,
because
it's
not
your
land,
we
don't
care
if
there's
trees
on
it.
But
of
course
we
counted
it's
there.
I
mean,
like
people,
don't
make
a
difference
between
if
it's
ncc
land
or
not
not
ncc
land,
but
it
means
that
some
warts
that
have
a
lot
of
ncc
land
may
be
artificially
boosted
in
their
percentage,
and
that
shouldn't
mean
that
we
stop
efforts
on
streets
that
still
need
the
the
assistance.
I'm
thinking
cancer
leapers
award,
for
instance
a
lot
of
ncc
land.
E
E
And
if
you
take
a
measure
of
what's
on
on
on
the
ground
in
kitchissippi
you're,
probably
at
or
surpassing
40
depending,
if,
if
you
take
the
ncc
land
or
not
so
so,
those
those
numbers
are
there
more
as
a
guide
and
not
as
an
absolute
target
for
each
and
every
neighborhood.
B
Yeah,
no,
I
certainly
take
your
point
in
the
downtown
area.
40
percent,
presumably,
is
tough,
if
not
absolutely
impossible
to
achieve.
I
guess,
is
there
not
direction,
and
can
we
not
include
some
direction
in
the
official
plan
to
make
to
even
contextualize
those
targets
for
neighborhoods,
so
that
and.
E
And
I
think
that's
where
the
work
of
the
parks
and
greenspace
master
plan
can
start
to
delve
into
that
detail.
Again
I
mean
in
the
downtown
core,
if
we're
talking
with
breton
yeah,
there's
a
lot
we
can
do
on
the
britain,
because
it's
pretty
much
a
you
know
an
open
field,
but
again
I
mean
if
we
were
to
take
the
the
geography
of
the
downtown
core.
E
We've
got
colonel
by
drive
and
queen
elizabeth
drive
and
a
lot
of
ncc
land
and
and
if
we
hear
the
ncc
we're
not
supposed
to
calculate
their
land
because
it's
not
ours,
it's
ncc
land.
Well,
again,
of
course
it's
there,
but
it's
at
a
location
where
you
know
we
know
we
have
a
healthy
tree
canopy
already.
E
B
Yeah,
okay,
another
big
area,
as
you
mentioned,
was
the
the
notion
of
the
15-minute
neighborhood,
which
is
certainly
a
topic
that
I've
been
spending
a
lot
of
time.
Thinking
about
and
discussing
amongst
communities
across
the
city
over
the
last
while
and
what
I'm
wondering
is,
how
does
the
city
actually
intend
to
develop
context-specific
focus
in
the
zoning
bylaw
to
ensure
that
development
fits
within
a
neighborhood's
character
and
I'm
obviously
reading
from
the
language
there.
B
I
you
know
we're
seeing
words
like
encourage
and
guide
just
in
this
in
the
response
report,
but
I'm
hopeful
that
we'll
see
more
again
sort
of
more
focused
on
implementation
and
how
how
practically
speaking
this
will
this
will
play
out.
I
know
that
obviously,
the
civ,
the
city
did
a
a
very
large
survey
and
charmaine
referred
to
it
of
services
and
amenities
across
the
city,
and
there
was
an
info
session.
B
I
think
it
was
at
the
end
of
march,
where
that
was
reported
on,
which
was
great,
but
I
guess
my
question
would
be:
where
is
that
material?
Can
the
data
from
that
survey
not
be
made
available?
Was
there
a
report
that
can
be?
That
can
be
shared
for
that?
B
B
We
need
to
better
understand
not
only
where
you
know
food
deserts
exist,
but
also
where
service
and
amenity
deserts,
including
you
know,
neighborhood
scale,
shops,
parks
and
green
space
are
going
to
fit,
are
going
to
be
enhanced
in
you
know
in
our
neighborhoods
I
you
know,
I
personally
support
the
idea
that
density
levels
are
important
and
they
really
must
go
hand
in
hand
with
with
enhanced
services
and
amenities
to
create
truly
walkable
or
15-minute
neighborhoods,
but
the
I
guess
this
is
what
seems
a
bit
like
a
singular
focus
on
density
and
this
report.
B
When
we
talk
about
15-minute
neighborhoods,
it
kind
of
reinforces
the
idea
that
a
plan
to
properly
understand
the
the
current
status
of
services
and
amenities
at
the
neighborhood
level
doesn't
doesn't
really
exist
that
we
haven't
really.
We
don't
really
have
a
vision
of
I'm
not
saying
we
have
to
have
all
the
details
set
and
we
have
to
the
the
absolute
tool
right
in
our
hands,
but
but
again
what
I'm
looking
for
is
that
direction
in
in
the
official
plan.
B
So
we'll
see
what
what
comes
later-
and
I
guess
just
finally,
the
the
report
talks
about
uses
the
terms
to
balance
growth
in
a
number
of
cases
and
for
neighborhoods
that
don't
currently
have
density
levels
anywhere
close
to
something
that
would
support
15-minute
neighborhood.
B
How
is
a
general
plan
to
add
density
if
we
sort
of
backed
off
from
from
focusing
density?
How
was
a
general
plan
to
add
density
with
the,
with
the
exception
of
the
hubs
going
to
see
us
succeed
in
having
and
actually
having
more
people
living
in
15
minute,
neighborhoods.
E
Yeah,
so
that's
a
really
good
question
and
that's
probably
what
will
be
mostly
the
challenge
in
the
outer
urban
and
the
suburban
transect
in
the
suburban
transect.
We
know
also
that
typically
most
of
those
communities
are
too
new
to
be
expected
to
change
significantly
over
the
next
25
years.
Change
usually
starts
at
about
the
50
60
year
mark
when
generations
start
to
move
new
generations
come
in
people
reinterpret
the
streets,
the
spaces,
the
buildings
a
little
more,
and
the
question
then
becomes:
where
do
you
seed
the
conditions
for
15
minute
neighborhoods?
E
So
what
the
plan
does
is
well
a
number
of
things.
We
don't
talk
about
residential
areas,
anymore
notice,
the
the
the
the
semantic
difference.
We
talk
about
neighborhoods.
Why?
Because
neighborhoods
are
more
than
just
residences,
they
should
have
parks,
churches
and
schools
and
shops
and
services
and
the
amenities.
So
when
we
talk
about
neighborhoods,
we
want
the
official
plan
to
give
direction
for
neighborhoods
to
have
all
these
things
self-contained.
E
E
Neighborhoods
that
used
to
be
you
know,
families
of
four
or
five
kids
have
become
neighborhoods
of
empty
nesters,
and
so
that's
why
schools
have
closed.
That's
why
the
buses
don't
run
as
much
anymore.
That's
why
stores
and
restaurants
have
closed.
That's
why
I
mean
there's
been
a
hollowing
out
and
those
neighborhoods
need
repopulation
just
to
get
back
to
the
level
of
services
and
amenities
that
they
had
and
lost,
and
then
we
can
start
to
rebuild
again
from
there
and
by
then
you
know
the
the
geographic
reality
will
be
that
they
will
be
more
central.
E
They
will
be
more
transit
rich,
they
will
be
much
more
appealing,
they
will
have
history.
People
love
neighborhoods
with
history
and
the
city
is,
is
full
of
that.
I
mean
there's
a
real
affection
for
established
neighborhoods,
with
identity
with
with
place
identity
with
with
that
personality
and
then
minor
corridors
minor
corridors
are
the
places
where
it's
logical.
To
start,
we
mapped
a
lot
of
new
minor
corridors
which
correspond
to
good
bus
routes
that
feed
into
stations,
and
those
are
the
ones
where
it's
logical.
That's
that's.
E
Those
are
the
streets
where
people
end
up
when
they're
getting
in
and
out
of
the
neighborhood
and
those
are
the
ones
that
will
collect
the
most
foot,
traffic
and
bus
traffic
and
bike
traffic,
so
that
people
can
just
walk
to
those
streets
for
more
than
one
one
or
two
reasons
and
end
up
there
and
and
start
to
to.
E
You
know:
seed
the
conditions
for
50
minute
neighborhoods
that
way
and
again
it'll
be
a
different
answer
in
each
neighborhood
and
there's
a
lot
that
we
want
to
give
to
the
zoning
bylaw
team
to
be
sensitive
to
context.
We're.
Basically,
you
know
at
an
altitude
where
we're
talking
about
the
general
ideas
we're
putting
in
the
policies
to
to
set
the
system
in
place
to
set
the
stage
for
things
to
happen,
but
where
the
rubber
really
hits
the
pavement
is
in
the
zoning
bylaw
and
a
lot
of
work
will
be
done
on
that.
On
that
front.
B
Sorry
one
last
one
last
question:
then
I'll
turn
things
over
to
others:
mid-rise
rules
and
guidelines.
We
don't
have
them.
It
seems
to
me
that,
given
the
likely
role
of
mid-rise
buildings
on
main
streets
and
and
elsewhere
in
meeting
growth
targets,
that
that
this
is
a
this
is
going
to
be
an
issue
for
us
as
we
think
about
how
to
how
to
contextualize
those
buildings
so
that
they
do
fit
in
and
in
the
absence
of
those
guidelines,
I
think.
B
Well,
I
I
see
us
getting
into
conflict
if
I
can
put
it
so
put
it
so
bluntly,
as
we
see
applications
coming
in
that
and
this
city
doesn't
necessarily
have
tools
to
to
really
have
discussions
with
developers
about
how
to
better
massage
those
buildings
and
the
massing
so
that
they'll
they'll
fit
in.
So
that's
a
a
bit
of
a
plea
to
the
planning
group,
the
policy
group,
I
should
say
to
consider
prioritizing
that.
E
Yeah,
no
thanks
for
that
carolyn
and
it's
actually
with
our
rohud
colleagues.
Rohat
is
urban
design.
The
ud
is
urban
design
and
they're
the
ones
who
develop
urban
like
guidelines,
and
it
is
an
identified
gap
that
we
have.
We
don't
have
mid-rise
design
guidelines,
but
it's
on
their
work
plan.
We
did
quite
a
bit
of
interesting
work
with
you
guys
in
the
glebe
on
bank
street
gleam
and
I
think
that'll
be
helpful
to
the
group
yep.
A
Right,
thank
you
carol.
I
will
say
just
if
you
we
have
a
pretty
good
study
from
2019
on
urban
tree
canopy
that
we
did
jointly
with
with.
I
think
the
ncc
was
involved
too
in
the
city
of
gatineau.
It's,
but
it's
interesting
because
there's
one
piece
of
it
where
it
does
award
by
ward
analysis,
and
it
has
college
ward
as
being
the
top
ward
in
terms
of
percentage,
it's
48
and
knoxville
marvel
is
almost
last
they're
side
by
side.
A
The
reason
is
because
college
ward
contains
the
part
of
the
green
belt
that
has
trees
on
it
and
knox
de
meriville
contains
the
part
of
the
green
belt.
That's
farmed,
so
the
percentage
doesn't
necessarily
work.
It
doesn't
mean
that,
because,
because
college
board
is
so
high,
we
can
just
say
well
sorry
city
view,
we
don't
need
to
worry
about
you
and
your
trees,
it's
still
it.
A
It
doesn't
always
work
on
that
neighborhood
breakdown
or
that
award
breakdown.
That's
kind
of
the
the
point
I
think
to
the
conversation
before
I
will
just
also
alain's
background
music.
It's
good
the
piano.
It's
a
lot
better
than
david
wise's,
constant
pen,
clicking
from
the
february
third
meeting.
E
Mr
chairman,
that's
my
daughter.
She
plays
the
harp
and
I'm
trying
to
go
on.
C
E
A
E
Would
love
to
play
the
anthem
on
harp
for
council
council
office.
A
A
E
Well,
we
still
have
a
policy
of
intensification
and
really,
basically,
the
only
thing
that
means
is
that
we
need
to
have
good
rules
that
deal
with
what
you
do
when
you
tear
down
a
house.
That's
really
what
it
is,
that's
really
what
it
is.
So
if
you
tear
down
a
house
and
property
owners
are
allowed
to
do
that,
what
do
we
allow
as
a
rebuild
right
now?
The
zoning
has
rules.
It
has
your
setbacks.
E
It
has
your
building
height
through
the
new
official
plan,
we're
giving
more
permissions
for
how
many
dwelling
units
can
be
in
a
particular
building,
and
that's
where
the
sliding
scale
of
density
ranges
comes
in
densities
are
seen
as
minimums
and
the
maximums
are
controlled
by
building
height
and
by
setbacks.
So
there's
two
ways
that
we
control.
You
know
what
what
gets
rebuilt.
We
do
want
to
focus
more,
as
I
said,
on
form,
on
the
shape
of
the
building
on
building
form
and
on
the
type
of
development.
E
That's
why
this
new
official
plan
has
definitions
for
urban
for
suburban,
so
you
should
not
be
building
something
suburban
in
an
urban
neighborhood.
Just
like
you
should
not
be
building
something
urban
in
a
suburban
neighborhood,
but
in
areas
where
you're
looking
at
a
transition.
We
also
want
to
start
to
talk
about.
Well.
How
would
you
go
from
one
to
the
other
and
still
fit
in,
and
no
other
city
has
done
this,
so
we're
going
to
be
breaking
new
ground
on
this
there's
a
few
things
that
we've
said
are
absolutely
important.
E
One
neighborhoods
are
low
rise
so
that
that
stays
unless
you've
got
zoning
that
allows-
and
we
do
have
some
neighborhoods
with
with
taller
buildings
and
that
we're
not
taking
anybody's
rights
away,
but
basically
neighborhoods
are
low
rise.
Two
neighborhood
streets
are
treed
in
in
most
most
ottawa
neighborhoods,
you
have
the
tree-lined
streets
and
we
don't
want
to
lose
that,
and
one
of
the
biggest
eaters
of
street
trees
is
driveways
for
infill.
E
So
we
have
new
policies
that
will
limit
new
driveways
and
curb
cuts
and
in
some
cases
require
shared
driveways
and
we've
done
that
thousands
and
thousands
of
time
in
ottawa
and
many
many
neighborhoods,
and
they
work
very
well
all
with
the
goal
to
maintaining
enough
plantable
space
in
the
front
yard.
To
have
a
green
front
yard
and
and
street
trees
and
the
other
one
is
the
shape
of
the
building
so
that
that
will
be
more
in
in
the
zoning
realm
of
things.
E
But
what
our
zoning
colleagues
have
been
doing
in
westboro,
notably
is,
is
a
good
indication
of
what
could
work
in
in
a
lot
of
neighborhoods
or
an
approach
that
could
be
made
to
work
in
a
lot
of
neighborhoods
and
we
paid
out
of
our
own
pocket,
the
all
the
the
images
for
the
613
flats
to
show
a
number
of
things.
We
wanted
to
show
people
it's
possible
to
do
a
lot
with
low-rise
buildings.
E
E
There's
a
lot
of
ways
that
you
can
access
with
a
car
in
cases
where
you're
providing
parking
and
you
you
can
do
it
with
a
single
entrance
and
locate
your
parking
in
a
common
location
so
that
everybody
has
a
parking
spot.
But
you're
not
paving
over
the
entire
front
yard
you're
turning
the
street
into
a
parking
lot
in
a
sea
of
asphalt,
because
that
that's
really
what
angers
people
and
they're
right-
and
we
heard
them
on
that.
E
So
I
would
say
those
are
the
big
three
things
that
will
really
help
us
as
a
city
get
in
feel
better
get
infill.
That
fits.
You
know-
and
I
know
that
my
my
my
neighbors
here
in
sandy
hill-
don't
like
it
when
I
say
this,
but
all
neighborhoods-
that
have
been
around
for
150
years.
You
know
you
walk
down
a
street
here
in
sandy
hill
and
you'll
you'll
see
huge
buildings
they
used
to
have
like
12
bedroom
homes
back
then
big
families.
E
Nobody
needs
a
12
bedroom
home,
but
nobody
wanted
those
buildings
to
be
torn
down
either.
Those
buildings
got
to
live
on
because
they're
able
to
be
apartments
today.
Nobody
minds
that
there's
there's
four
apartments:
they
just
have
the
building.
It's
there
you
you
can
reuse
it,
so
you
can
also
add
to
an
existing
home
and
make
that
existing
home.
You
know
keep
up
with
the
times,
breathe,
better
adapt
and
the
official
plan
is
is
allowing
that
too.
Okay,.
C
Thank
you.
My
second
question
is
that
once
council
approves
the
official
plan
in
september,
I'm
assuming
that
this
is
going
to
trigger
new
zoning.
Bylaws
does
staff
know
today
or
in
the
days
to
come.
You
know
what
zoning
bylaws
are
going
to
have
to
be
changed
and
upgraded,
and
how
does
this
get
published
to.
A
Tom,
I
will
I
will
say
that
we
council
actually
approved
a
preliminary
report
on
that
zoning.
Bile
implementation,
we're
expecting
it
to
take
about
three
years
three
to
four
years.
I
believe,
because
the
the
op
gets
approved
by
council,
then
it
has
to
go
to
the
minister,
of
course,
for
ministerial
approval
before
it
comes
back
and
then
that's
when
we
can
kick
off
the
zoning
implementation
report,
but
it
will
be
in
some
somewhat
in
phases,
there's
sort
of
a
a
quick
report
that
should
come
by
the
end
of
2020
2022.
F
A
By
2022,
which
should
get
some
so
check
off
some
boxes
right
off
the
bat
to
get
some
things
rolling,
because
we
know
it's
going
to
take
time,
but
we
also
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
on
the
right
track
to
hit
60
on
intensification.
A
C
And
and
so
as
the
official
plan
is
approved,
then
there's
going
to
be
some
an
update
in
terms
of
what's
what
bylaws
are
going
to
be
triggered
for
updates
and
and
at
that
point,
is
there
consultation
with
the
public,
or
is
it
just
basically
indicating
to
the
public
that
these
are
the
bylaws
that
are
going
to
be
changed
and
so
and
thereafter
it
gets?
It
goes
to
council.
I
gather.
A
No
worries
wait,
move
on
to
corlea.
C
C
We
are
talking
about
the
canopies
and
the
three
canopies
that
I
really
like,
but
I
want
to
know
if
we
can
establish
that
amazon-type
buildings
in
rural
areas
must
have
a
green
roof
to
avoid
bringing
hit
islands
to
the
rural
areas.
We
have
now
two
big
amazon
buildings
near
magnetic
to
both
sides,
and
it's
like
attracting
the
heat
between
the
parking
lot
and
not
green
spaces.
So
if
we
have
so
much
respect
for
the
trees,
I
think
that
that
could
help
to
if
we
create
some
rules
for
that.
E
Thanks
for
the
question
we
have
for
the
first
time,
you
know
heat
island
mapping
that
we
didn't
have
in
previous
official
plans
and
we
have
encouraging
policies,
but
we
have
to
work
as
well
within
the
limits
of
the
ontario
building
code
and
the
ontario
building
code.
E
You
know
we
expect
it
to
evolve
and
change
over
time
and
we
work
with
the
province
on
on
that,
but
we
also
have
to
work
with
the
home
building
industry
and
the
commercial
building
industry
on
something
that
we
are
calling
the
high
performance
development
standards,
and
that
is
also
a
process
that
will
involve
public
consultation
and
public
involvement.
E
So
that's
not
done
yet.
It's
not
finished.
There's
still
going
to
be
opportunity
to
talk
about
all
these
things
again.
The
official
plan
has
policies
that
enable
this
to
happen,
but
the
way
it's
implemented
is
through
other
mechanisms,
then,
through
the
official
plan,
so
we'll
have
to
connect
the
dots
as
we
go
along.
C
E
There's
a
certain
range
of
things
within
the
building
code:
there's
your
min
absolute
minimum
requirements
and
then
there's
if
you
go
over
and
above
the
minimum
requirements,
but
you're
still
within
the
building
code.
And
yes,
you're
right,
I
mean
there's,
there's
things
that
the
city
can
do
and
those
things
have
to
be
agreed
upon
with
everybody
who
who's
involved
in
in
construction
and
that's
the
exercise
that
we're
going
through
right
now
and
it's
an
ongoing
thing.
E
I
think
the
strategy
is
to
tackle
it,
one
building
type
at
a
time
and
start
with
the
ones
that
will
can
have
the
greatest
impact
or
the
greatest
beneficial
effect
and
then
move
on
to
all
the
building
types.
We
know
that
part
of
energy
evolution
does
involve
different
ways
of
building
buildings,
heating
buildings
and
cooling
buildings,
and
all
that
is
is
you
know.
We
need
to
do
methodically
the
work
of
each
type
of
building
and
landing
what
the
rules
are
going
to
be
for
each
type.
A
A
What
we
did
was
we
actually
instead
of
zoning
it
from
from
a
floor
space
perspective.
We
actually
zoned
it
from
a
volumetric
perspective,
so
whatever
they
wanted,
an
increased
height
in
building
capacity
with
inside
the
building.
I
took
away
from
the
rest
of
the
property,
so
we
actually
created
a
volume
based
zoning
cap
on
the
property.
So
as
they
go
up,
they
reduce
the
overall
developable
footprint
on
the
site.
We
actually
even
were
able
to
impose
a
100
meter
setback
from
residential
area
and
then
zone
that
open
space,
so
they
can't
touch
it.
A
They
can't
build
anything
in
that
at
all,
so
we
took
a
site
that
was
wall-to-wall
permitted
development
for
industrial
purposes,
on
the
400
series
highway
and
we
actually
managed
to
still
allow
you
know:
industrial
development
still
a
warehouse
used
to
take
place,
but
to
actually
reclaim
some
of
the
property
and
to
reduce
the
overall
environmental
impact
to
make
it
a
better
developed
site
from
environmental
perspective.
I
don't
disagree
with
the
green
roof
suggestions
as
well,
but
yeah.
Certainly,
I
think
there's
been
a
lot
of
talk
about
green
roof
policies.
A
D
Thank
you
very
much,
councillor
moffat.
D
I
just
have
a
question
about
kind
of
I
guess,
building
on
some
of
the
points
that
carolyn
member
mckenzie
raised
about
the
kind
of
context
of
the
transaction
context
of
neighborhoods,
how
that
how
that's
defined
or
how
you're
able
to
define
a
character,
a
neighborhood
character
in
something
like
an
official
plan
recognizing
that
there
is
a
there,
is
a
gray
zone
between
the
official
plan
and
this
kind
of
its
implementation
arm,
which
is
the
kind
of
the
zoning
one
was.
D
There
is
always
a
gap,
and-
and
I
guess
learning
from
the
past
and
learning
that
kind
of
it
is
important
to
define
and
protect,
and
you
know,
guide
the
growth
of
these
neighborhoods,
these
distinct
characters
in
our
city.
How
does
the
official
plan
aim
to
kind
of
take
that
on
and
or
you
know,
can
you
point
to
examples
of
how
you've
taken
that
approach?
In
the
official
time.
E
Sure,
no,
I
mean
that's
a
really
good
question,
so
the
official
plan
is,
let's
say
at
a
more
strategic
level
and
looks
in
context
on
the
basis
of
if
we
can
use
words
that
that
are
not
jargon.
The
type
of
organization
of
space
that
you
have
so
the
downtown
core
is
the
downtown
core.
Why?
Well?
Because
it's
it's
the
nerf
center
of
you
know,
in
our
case
the
canadian
government,
but
it's
it's
the
nerve
center
of
the
city,
and
why
is
the
nerve
center
of
the
city?
E
Well,
it's
got
a
very
high
density,
a
very
high
and
fine
mix
of
mixture
of
uses
and
because
people
can
function
on
foot
100,
everything
is
reachable
by
foot
distances
are
short.
You
know
transit
services
at
its
highest,
everything
converges
on
the
downtown
core,
so
that
that's
a
context.
E
It
is
already
a
15-minute
neighborhood,
pretty
much
throughout
its
its
entire
extent,
so
the
rules
there
are.
We
want
that
to
continue.
We
are
actually
worried
about
downtown.
The
pandemic
will
have
an
impact
on
employment
in
the
downtown
core
and
we
don't
we
don't
want
downtown
to
die.
We
want
downtown
to
stay
lively.
We
want
those
ingredients
to
stay
and
and
flourish
downtown.
E
We
want
obviously
people
to
go
back
to
work,
but
more
to
the
point,
we
want
downtown
to
be
a
diverse
place,
so
the
policy
goals
for
the
downtown
core
are
to
complete
the
west
downtown
so
finish,
building
lebron,
finish,
building
zb,
finish,
building
gladstone
finish,
building
bayview.
Add
that
that
that
influx
of
population
that
will
create
a
domestic
market
for
there
to
be
enough
of
the
services
that
people
need
downtown
remember
downtown,
has
been
hollowed
out
by
the
big
box
stores.
You
know
we
lost
a
hardware
store
on
beachwood.
E
We
lost
a
hardware
store
on
on
on
george
street
so
that
that's
that's
just
a
few
of
the
examples.
Schools
have
closed
downtown
that
needs
to
come
back.
These
things
need
to
be
there
for
and
what
we
say
about
downtown
is
it's
an
it's
an
urban
place,
so
you're
not
allowed
to
build
suburban
type
buildings
or
suburban
type
sites
in
the
downtown
core.
We
don't
want
suburban
type
development
in
lebron.
We
don't
want
suburban
type
developments
in
gladstone.
It
has
to
be
urban
in
the
way
the
building
is
built.
E
The
way
the
building
lands,
the
way
the
site
is
configured
and
that
means
doors
on
street
and
you
don't
see
car
parking
from
the
sidewalk
there's
no
parking
between
the
sidewalk
in
the
building,
it's
underground
or
it's
in
the
back
or
it's
in
the
interior.
It's
just
out
of
view
and
cars
interfere
the
least
possible
with
pedestrians
and
cyclists
in
the
inner
urban.
Well,
you've
got
you
know,
kind
of
early
20th
century
neighborhoods,
the
streetcar
neighborhoods.
E
E
We
don't
want
to
dilute
the
urbanity
of
those
neighborhoods,
so
everything
that
we're
putting
in
place
pushes
toward
reinforcing
an
urban
character,
urban
typologies
of
buildings
and
site
designs
and
making
sure
that
the
first
priority
is
for
people
to
move
on
foot
again,
not
that
we're
not
accommodating
vehicles,
but
we're
we're
giving
the
priority
and
we're
rebalancing
priorities
so
that
people
on
foot
on
bike
and
using
transit
have
an
equal
footing
with
people
on
motor
vehicles
and
sometimes
the
priority
in
the
edge
the
outer
urban
is
is
where
it
gets
interesting,
because
there
we're
looking
at
a
ring
of
neighborhoods
that
started
being
built
in
the
1950s
and
they
used
to
be
at
the
edge
of
town
but
they're,
not
anymore
they're,
pretty
central
and
they're
going
to
get
some
very
good
transit
with
stage
two.
E
So
then,
the
question
is:
how
do
you
start
to
reimagine
those
areas
as
15
minute
neighborhoods,
knowing
that
most
of
them
are
not
today,
knowing
that
they
have
very
different
street
patterns,
sometimes
knowing
that
they
have
very
different
site
typologies?
Sometimes
what
do
you
do
with
those
tower
in
the
park
sites?
What
do
you
do
with
those
big
shopping
malls,
and
then
what
do
you
do
on
neighborhood
streets
and
that's
all
our
work
on
infill
and
intensification
that
starts
with
the
principles
we
want
neighborhood
streets
to
still
be
low
rise.
E
We
want
neighborhood
streets
to
still
be
tree-lined,
but
you
know
we
do
want
neighborhood
streets
to
also
be
lively
with
families
with
kids.
Those
have
become
very
expensive,
neighborhoods
and
they're
out
of
reach
for
most
people.
So
one
of
the
goals
of
the
official
plan
is
to
give
young
people
a
real
shot
at
being
able
to
buy
a
house
in
an
existing
neighborhood.
It's
never
going
to
be
like
the
the
1960s
are
not
coming
back.
It's
never
going
to
be
the
big
piece
of
land
with
the
single-story
bungalow
and
the
white
picket
fence.
E
Those
days
are
gone,
but
the
land
is
there.
The
neighborhood
is
good.
The
proximities
to
important
things
is
there.
How
do
you
continue
to
build
on
that?
To
make
sure
that
people
have
a
shot
at
buying
places
in
those
neighborhoods
and
be
close
to
things
and
the
rules
are
going
to
be
well?
Let's
look
at
the
building
form
if
the
building
form
is
good
and
it
fits
in
the
neighborhood,
it's
good
to
go
and
and
that's
where
we
want
to
also
start
to
work
on
minor
corridors.
E
E
We
have
kept
the
the
goal
of
ten
thousand
jobs
in
each
suburban
town
center,
we're
adding
one
which
is
riverside
south
and
that's
where
all
the
rapid
transit
lines
will
be
converging
and
honestly
I
mean
what
we've
been
hearing
from
most
of
the
property
owners
in
town
centers,
which
are
shopping
malls
by
and
large
their
shopping
malls,
they're,
ready,
they're,
ready
to
start
changing
plaza
orleans
is
ready
to
start
changing.
Canada,
centrum's
radius
start
changing
bar
haven.
E
We
just
finished
the
bar
haven,
downtown
secondary
plan,
so
the
next
25
years
there's
going
to
be
quite
a
bit
of
action
in
those
town,
centers
and
and
very
interesting
action
as
well,
because
all
of
our
town,
centers
thanks
to
the
foresight
of
of
the
ottawa
carleton
region,
are
already
connected
with
rapid
transit
they're
ready
to
go.
It's
plug
and
play.
D
Thank
you
for
that.
That's
a
great
kind
of
it's
a
great
kind
of
just
you
know.
I
I
high-level
overview,
I
think
of
of
how
you
really
how
the
official
plan
will
look
at
the
city
and
the
morphology
a
couple,
various
kind
of
components
that
make
up
the
city
from
centers
out.
I
guess
my
question
was
maybe
somewhere
in
between
so
so,
if
you're
at
30
000
feet
going
down
to
a
bit
lower
like
how
does
the
official
plan
talk
about
specific?
D
Can
the
official
plan
talk
about
specific
character,
that
relates
to
say
the
natural
morphology
of
the
city
of
ottawa's
relationship
to
the
river,
its
relationship
to
wind
or,
to
you
know,
like
kind
of
really
that
drills
down
into
neighborhoods
and
drills
down
into
particular
growth
patterns
that
have
evolved
after
you
know,
150
years
of
growth,
let's
say?
And
and
how
does
the
special
plan
identify
that
character,
that
identity
and
and
provide
a
structure
for
the
zoning
to
really
support
it,
support
its
growth,
but
also
support
its
kind
of
preservation.
E
We
stopped
short
of
going
into
that
level
of
detail
on
purpose.
I
think
because
we
also
want
to
give
everybody
the
opportunity
to
first
of
all
get
familiar
with
the
transect,
get
familiar
with
the
big
ideas
and
then
start
to
think
about
how
these
things
would
reasonably
and
desirably
translate
in
their
neighborhoods.
So
by
the
time,
we're
we're
doing
zoning.
E
D
I
guess
they
they're,
always
the
the
opportunity
for
the
the
the
the
gray
zone
between
a
very
high
level,
very
well
thought
out:
high
level
official
plan
that
really
structures
the
growth
really
well
and
the
kind
of
implementation
at
the
zoning
level.
There's
always
that
that
that
gray
zone
and
that
they
raise
you
know
a
lot
of
great
things
can
happen.
A
lot
of
bad
things
can
happen
there
too.
Now
the
question
is:
how
do
you?
How
does
you
know
as
the
overarching
document
that
really
guides
this
growth
in
in
ottawa?
D
How
is
there
recognition
of
that
gray
zone
and
what
you
know
has
there
been
measures
put
into
place
again,
learning
from
the
past
and
learning
from
you
know
the
history
of
the
evolution
of
official
plans
in
the
city.
What
what
has
gone
into
this
official
plan?
That's
a
little
bit
different
that
can
help.
D
E
Really
good
question
again
I
mean
you
know:
planning
is
a
series
of
gray
zones,
as
everybody
will
agree,
I
mean
you
know
what
we
don't
want
to
do
is
to
be
so
descriptive
and
so
prescriptive
in
an
official
plan
that
my
colleagues
leanne
and
doug,
who
are
on
this
call
and
listening,
will
have
to
say
no
to
a
good
idea
just
because
it
doesn't
meet
a
rigid
framework.
E
E
There's
always
little
quirks
and
quarks
that
take
you
into
different
design
solutions,
but
the
bones
are
fundamentally
good
right,
so
we're
trying
to
get
those
bones
to
be
what
they
need
to
be,
and
you
know
so
we
start
with
well,
let's
describe
at
a
high
level:
what's
urban,
what's
suburban
and
what's
transitional,
that's
that's
one
layer
of
description
within
that
there
can
be
a
lot
of
different
ways
of
doing
something.
But
you
know
if
leanne
or
doug
get
a
you
know
an
application
for
okay.
E
Well,
I
want
to
build
a
single
story-
strip
mall,
with
parking
in
the
front
on
bank
street
in
the
lead.
No
that's
that
right
away.
That's
like
the
first
binary
equation
there
is
is
a
fail,
go
back
and
build
in
accordance
to
what
the
transit
says,
but
then,
in
accordance
with
what
the
transaction
says,
there's
a
number
of
possibilities
that
are
equally
good
and
the
official
plan
doesn't
want
to
go
into
that
level
of
detail
secondary
plans.
E
In
some
cases,
do
so
bank
street
in
the
glee
will
have
a
secondary
plan
that
will
have
a
lot
of
extra
detail,
that's
context
sensitive
to
the
glee
and
where
we
have
secondary
plans
that
level
of
policy
is
able
to
capture
a
number
of
things.
We
are
bringing
back
27
secondary
plans
and
we've
got
another
another
six
on
the
go.
So
at
that
level
we
are
able
to
introduce
a
number
of
elements
that
are
more
germane
to
a
neighborhood.
I
would
say.
D
Step
final
question:
I
just
again
recognizing
the
kind
of
the
significance
of
the
official
plan
and
it's
kind
of
you
know
over
kind
of
a
long
period
of
time.
What
parts
are
there
components
of
the
official
plan
in
in
this
development
that
are
really
designed
designed
to
be
obsolete
and
designed
for
revisions
and
updates?
D
So
you
know,
there's
a
certain
aspect
of
the
plan,
obviously
that
you
don't
want
to
kind
of
have
to
go
and
revisit,
but
there's
certainly
aspects
that
you're
kind
of
by
design
recognize
the
change
that
happens
around
the
city
or
recognize
the
the
speed
of
evolution
of
the
city.
You
know
in
response
to
you
know,
maybe
the
you
know:
the
city
is
also
increased
in
size
and
density
and
and
diverging
opinions,
and
it's
also
subject
to
a
global.
You
know
the
city's
reflection
of
global
trends
and
and
what's
happening
around
the
world.
D
So
what
parts
of
that
plan
can
be
responsive
to
change
and
are
designed
to
actually
be
changing?
That's
one.
E
Of
the
best
questions
I've
heard
on
this
on
this
whole
public
consultation.
So
far,
so
you
know
I
very
much
appreciate
it.
I
mean
at
the
core
of
it.
E
I
think
the
whole
system
of
transects
allows
for
future
generation
of
planners
to
see
where
things
are
at
and
adapt
transect
boundaries
could
change
as
well,
and
we've
had
requests
for
changes
to
the
transit
boundaries,
and
we
have
done
some
changes,
but
that's
not
to
say
that
future
planners
doing
the
same
job
we're
doing
in
10,
15
20
years
may
not
decide
to
map
transits
differently.
E
One
of
the
things
we
did
this
time
is
we
eliminated
the
old
central
area
designation
and
replaced
it
with
a
downtown
transect,
which
reflects
the
actual
extent
of
today's
downtown
call,
which
is
much
much
bigger.
That's
one
notable
change
and
the
goals
we
have
today
for
the
downtown
if
we
reach
them
in
25
years.
I
don't
know
what
the
goals
will
be
for
the
downtown
in
25
years,
but
that
that
policy
instrument
is
there
in
order
to
provide
for
that
revision
so
for
each
transact.
E
You
know,
let's
say
that
in
25
years
the
suburban
transect
is
at
the
same
stage
of
evolution
as
the
outer
urban
is
today
it
would
have
different
goals
for
the
following
25
years.
It
would
have
different
policies
based
on
a
study
of
that
that
that
translates
morphology
and
building
age
and
what
the
opportunities
might
be
based
on
the
needs
of
people
in
2050,
who
we
can't
guess
about
those
are
children's
children.
So
you
know,
I
think
it's
it's
recognizing
that
the
city
is
never
a
finished
product.
E
Neighborhoods
are
never
a
finished
product.
You
know,
there's
always
a
constant.
You
know
that
the
urban
sedimentation
that
happens
naturally
would
make
it
very
arrogant
for
us
to
say
well
this
is
it
and
it's
that's
it.
That's
all!
No
more
change
after
this.
No
no
things
keep
changing
and
it's
to
understand
by
context
what
you're
dealing
with
and
how
to
give
guidance
to
that
change.
Where
is
it
going
to?
What
is
it
changing
too?
E
That's
what
we're
trying
to
do
it's
our
first
time
out
with
this
approach,
and
you
know
we'll
have
to
grow
with
it
and
there
will
be.
You
know
adjustments
along
the
way,
we're
not
going
to
get
it
right,
100
percent
on
the
first
time
out,
but
at
least
it
sets
us
on
that
path,
and
I
think
it
sets
us
for
those
discussions
on
an
ongoing
basis
as
well.
D
E
Right
I
mean,
and
in
a
way
legislation
keeps
us
to
that,
because
you
know
we
have
a
10-year
review
now
that
this
is
a
brand
new
official
plan.
It's
10-year
review
we'll
have
a
five-year
touch
base
on
the
land
supply,
but
it's
a
10-year
review
for
the
plan
and
then,
if
we
amend
the
plan,
it's
on
a
five-year
cycle,
so
there's
there's
and
then
there's
the
monitoring
that
we'll
be
doing.
A
All
right,
thank
you
so
much
muhammad,
thank
you
la
and
we
will
go
to
shannon
vasets.
C
Thanks
for
the
presentation
just
to
kind
of
build
on
what
muhammad
and
carolyn
were
asking
about,
maintaining
characters
of
older
neighborhoods,
you
know
one
of
the
questions
I
have
and
again
I'm
I'm
in
the
lead,
but
I
see
a
lot
of
intensification
happening.
An
extreme
example
was
like
the
what
was
the
historic
charlotte
whitten.
C
I
believe
house
on
renfrew
that
the
property
owners
bought
it
with
the
en
they
stated
they
were
going
to
keep
it,
and
then
you
know
let
it
rot
and
then
bulldozed
it
and
maxed
like
a
three-story
block
volume
that
has
effectively
blocked.
You
know
the
the
people's
views
into
central
park,
and
so
you
know-
and
that's
just
one
example.
So
I
guess
my
question
is
like
at
what
ex
like
at
what
point
is
there?
C
Is
there
a
need
for
like
a
historic
overlay
of
the
the
kind
of
historic
neighborhood
fabric
in
a
neighborhood
like
the
glebe,
because
it's
going
to
can
arguably
continue
to
be
intensified
and,
in
terms
of
like
you,
know,
suburban?
I
also
see
like
these
again
these
these.
These
newer
interventions
having
garages
like
on
the
on
on
the
front
of
them
and
then
the
second.
C
The
second
question
is
more
along
the
lines
of
a
question
I've
asked
before,
but
in
terms
of
like
the
green
infrastructure,
you
know
what
are
what
are
opportunities
you
know
and
and
this
this
is
an
alignment
with
some
of
the.
I
guess,
the
the
things
that
tone
dressing
has
been
doing
in
terms
of
like
federal
government
procurement,
kind
of
pushing
for
more
competition
design
excellence.
C
What
are
the
opportunities
that
you've
looked
into
that
maybe
some
of
the
public
park
design
could
be
kind
of
best
practices
or
design
excellence
instead
of
status
quo,
I
mean
and
again
for
green
infrastructure
that
might
be
best
practices
and
performative
green
infrastructure.
Mitigating
needs
for
coverts.
So
those
those
are
my
two
questions
or
comments.
E
Yeah,
I
know
thanks
for
that.
I
mean
I
think,
on
your
first
one.
You
know
for
such
a
young
city.
We
have
a
long
history
of
heartbreaks,
of
very
beautiful
buildings
that
get
torn
down
and
get
replaced.
You
know
it
was
happening
in
the
19th
century
was
happening
in
the
20th
century.
I
mean
there's.
If
you
look
at
both
pictures
of
the
bottle.
A
lot
of
streets
are
not
recognizable
today
and
that's
just
you
know
the
normal
process
of
urbanization.
E
I
think
what
what
happened
in
the
20th
century,
especially,
is
that,
in
addition
to
that
process,
we
also
had
modernist
and
brutalist
architecture
that
was
very
devoid
of
ornamentation,
very
devoid
of
the
architectural
aesthetic
that
people
usually
associate
with.
You
know
grand
cities,
elegant
streetscapes
and
the
kind
of
things
that
you
would
want
to
conserve.
E
So
the
whole
discussion
of
architecture
and
architectural
style
is
one
that
we
tackled.
We
tackled
it
in
a
couple
of
places
in
in
the
official
plan,
we're
tackling
in
the
glebe
interesting
enough.
Interestingly
enough,
we're
about
to
put
in
a
secondary
plan
that
we'll
talk
about
architectural
style,
but
leaving
that,
aside
again
concentrating
on
urban
form.
We
hope
that
the
policy
focus
that
we
put
on
urban
form
at
least
will
get
you
buildings
that
are
of
an
architectural
language
that
is
common
to
the
neighborhood
you're
in
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
get.
E
So
if
you're
talking
about
you,
know
you're
in
the
glebe
and
you're,
seeing
an
infidel
with
a
garage
in
the
front
that
looks
like
it
belongs
in
the
birds,
it
does
belong
to
birds,
it
doesn't
belong
to
leave
and
leave.
You
should
be
building
differently
and
that's
not
where
you
put
your
garage
and
that's
how
you
put
your
driveway
and
we
want
that
to
be
clear,
and
we
want
the
industry
to
be
clear
on
that.
They
need
to
play
ball
with
us
on
that.
C
Yeah
I
mean
I,
you
know:
just
I've
lived
in
boston
and
even
tampa,
which
you
wouldn't
think
is
would
have
a
historical
overlay,
but
you
know
there
was
an
old,
older
district
that
had
a
historical
district
overlay
and
a
historic
commission
or
or
urban
design
review
panel.
So
I
just
feel
like
to
to
save
these
neighborhoods.
While
we
still
can.
I
think
that
there
needs
to
be
other.
E
Right,
I
mean
we
do
have
a
heritage
section
and
they're
very
busy
going
through
the
evaluation
that
they
do
of
districts
and
buildings
and,
in
some
cases
yeah.
What
the
city
would
do
is
like
create
a
heritage,
conservation,
district
or
designate
a
building
under
the
heritage
act.
But
that's
when
the
the
focus
is
on
keeping
something
and
under
the
heritage,
on
there's
reasons
why
you
would
keep
something.
That's
that's
a
blunt
instrument
too,
because
you're
basically
telling
a
property
owner.
You
got
to
keep
what
you
got.
You
can't.
E
You
know,
there's
only
a
limited
number
of
things
that
you
can
do.
On
the
other
hand,
if
you
don't
have
a
heritage
district,
what
we're
saying
is
there
should
still
be
rules
that
say,
if
you're
going
to
replace
something
or,
if
you're
going
to
add
to
something,
how
is
it
going
to
fit?
How
is
it
going
to
you
know?
How
is
it,
how
is
it
going
to
be
integrated
into
the
context
where
it's
at
and
again
there
can
be
different
answers
for
different
streets
in
different
neighborhoods,
but
at
the
basis,
it's
not
that
complicated.
E
Are
you
doing
a
building
that
is
of
the
same
type
apology
of
the
same?
You
know,
I'm
not
sure
how
to
pick
a
word
here,
but
this
is
the
same
type
of
setup
as
what
you
see
around
you
or
is
it
a
foreign
object?
Is
it
a
foreign
element
right
and
one
of
the
biggest
you
know
places
where
we
start
to
see
that
is
well.
Are
you
putting
a
suburban
thing
into
an
urban
place?
E
C
And
there's
you
know,
there's
also
ways
you
can
give
homeowners
incentives
to
do
like
adaptive,
reuse
or
to
preservation
right,
because
you
know,
arguably
people
want
to
live
in
historic
districts,
not
in
suburbs.
I
mean.
That's
sorry,
that's
kind
of
a
general
comment,
but
I
think
that
people
who
do
live
in
the
central
core
are
attracted
to
the
older
kind
of
fabric
of
these
neighborhoods.
E
Right,
it's
a
two-way
street.
People
who
live
in
the
suburbs.
Don't
want
something:
that's
a
foreign
object
either.
So
you
you
wouldn't
like
again
not
to
pick
on
the
glee,
but
you
wouldn't
want
to
glee
defy
canada.
It
would
be
a
foreign
object.
Canada's
not
believed
canada
has
its
own
character.
Has
its
own
flavor
has
its
own
typology
of
buildings
and
you
should
fit
with
that.
So
the
transect
is
set
up
to
do
that
as
well.
If
you're
building
an
infill
in
canada.
E
Well,
it
shouldn't
look
like
which
is
what's
around
you
and
if
it's
suburban
well,
you
should
be
doing
a
suburban
type.
Building.
That's
fair
is
fair
right.
So
it's
it's
not
judgmental.
From
that
standpoint.
People
can
make
the
choice
they're
gonna
make,
but
when
you're
doing
a
building
in
a
context
you
should
be
taking
cues
from
what's
around
you.
C
Yes,
sorry
because
the
second
part
of
the
question
was
what
I've
asked
other
times
in
terms
of
you
know
the
green
infrastructure
in
in
the
official
plan.
You
know
again.
C
Are
there
ways
because
it's
a
capital
city,
are
there
ways
to
look
at
kind
of
best
case
practices
of
design
excellence
and
maybe
some
of
our
park
designs
that
could
you
know,
have
performative
ecologies
and
then
that
that
layers
as
well
with
you
know,
procurement
like
again,
are
there
opportunities,
and
maybe
some
of
the
public
space
systems
to
have
competitions,
as
opposed
to
you
know,
taking
the
lowest
bidder
in
in
terms
of
procurement.
E
Yes,
no,
I
sorry
for
skipping
that
over
that
question
it
is
so
I
had
I
had
planned
to
to
get
to
it.
So
one
of
the
things
that
happened
through
this
official
plan
is
that
parks
and
facilities
has
been
talking
to
us
quite
a
bit
they're
going
to
be
using
our
transect
mapping
for
their
planning,
and
one
of
the
things
we
discussed
with
them
is
to
have
a
typology
of
parks
and
green
spaces
that
also
matches
the
transit.
E
You
know
it's
not
the
same
to
be
in
a
in
an
inner
urban
neighborhood
where
you
have
parks,
like
you,
know,
central
park
in
the
glebe,
which
is
you
know,
a
late
19th
century
park
with
railings
and
formal
stairs
and
edges,
and
you
know
well
that
that's
an
urban
rendition
of
the
park
versus
a
1950s
park
which
is
more
of
an
open
field.
It's
you
know,
it's
got,
you
know
swings
on
the
side,
but
like
there's
no
formality
to
it,
there's
no
fencing
to
it.
E
There's
no
sidewalk,
often
there's
no,
so
they
want
to
work
on
typologies
of
parts
based
on
where
you
are
in
the
city
and,
what's
going
to
be
interesting,
is
in
the
inner
and
outer
urban
transects,
whether
they
start
to
introduce
some
of
the
typologies
that
we
see
in
the
older
parts
of
town
actually
yeah.
If
you
look
at
pictures
of
parks
from
the
early
1900s,
they
look
like
very
different
places.
They
are,
they
have
more
of
a
a
design
polished
to
them.
E
You
know
they
have
formal
paths
and
benches
and
lights
and
stairs
and
retaining
walls-
and
you
know
the
space
is
more
laid
out.
It's
more
programmed.
It's
more
thought
through.
There
is,
you
know,
frederick
law
olmsted
who
designed
central
park
and
then
the
mount
royal
park
in
montreal
is
famous
for
having
done
such
wonderful
spaces
by
very
deliberate
planning
and
design
of
green
space
and
open
space
and
the
so
the
parks
and
green
space
master
plan
is
going
to
touch
on
that.
E
The
other
thing
that
you're,
I
think
talking
about
is
green
infrastructure
in
in
the
sense
of
the
low
impact
development
standards,
so
lids
the
kinds
of
things
that
we
do
on
certain
streets,
where
we
have
bioswales,
where
we
have
larger
space
for
planting
trees.
That
also
act
as
a
storm
water
catchment,
and
there
is
now
a
mention
in
the
official
plan
of
that
which
did
not
appear
in
the
existing
official
plan.
C
Yeah,
just
I
don't
want
to
monopolize
this
but
to
use
central
park
as
an
example,
I
mean
that
was
originally
water,
and
so
I
just
see
them
putting
in
very
costly
kind
of
culvert
infrastructure
to
mitigate
the
flooding
that
happens
there.
But
at
the
same
time,
there's
you
know
was
wonderful
when
it
froze
like
people
would
have
an
impromptu
skating.
A
No
worries
I
just
want
to
check
before
moving
on
so
david
you're
back
on
the
list
go
ahead.
C
A
C
A
I'm
not
I'm
not
the
mayor
and
and
at
committee
we
do
things
differently
at
committee.
You
can
come
back
on
more
more
times.
C
Perfect,
thank
you
very
much.
I
just
had
two
follow-up
questions
regarding
housing,
affordability.
You
know
I
go,
but
we
know
housing.
Affordability
has
has
become
absolutely
non-existent
in
ottawa.
Right
now.
There's
a
huge
supply
issue
with
market
demand
so
because
I'm
very
happy
to
see
housing.
Affordability
prioritized
in
the
new
draft
op.
So
from
a
land
economics
point
of
view,
market
demand
is
currently
far
outweighing
the
availability
of
service
land.
C
I
sit
on
the
canadian
home
builders
board
of
directors.
This
is
a
national
issue.
It's
not
just
a
provincial
issue,
so
it's
not
just
a
local
ottawa
issue.
This
is
all
across
canada.
There's
also
been
a
lot
of
recent
economic
reports
that
can
that
are
concluding,
that
the
only
proven
solution
to
fix
housing
affordability
is
to
build
more
homes.
So
we
need
to
do
this
all
together.
It's
community
groups,
it's
elected
officials,
it's
staff
and
it's
goba.
It's
it's!
It's
builders
that
are
going
to
provide
more
supply
to
help
the
market
demand.
C
So
my
my
two
questions.
My
first
question
is:
will
there
be
any
new
policy
added
to
the
op
to
help
streamline
the
planning
approval
process
to
bring
projects
to
the
market
quicker?
We
know
that
if
there's
quicker
approvals
will
have
a
direct
impact
on
the
soft
cost
of
approach
of
a
project
which
will
help
housing
affordability.
C
If
you
reduce
the
soft
cost
of
a
project,
it's
it's.
It's
going
to
make
the
project
more
affordable
and
we're
going
to
be
able
to
offer
more
affordable
units
to
residents.
But,
more
importantly,
it's
also
going
to
add
more
housing
supply.
If
there's
more
housing
supply
will
satisfy
the
market
demand.
E
Good
questions
david,
I
think
you
know
on
your
first
question.
I
don't
think
that
the
official
plan
would
be
the
place
where
we
talk
about
process
and
leanne
and
doug
are
on
this
call,
but
the
official
plan.
Certainly
the
report
that
introduces
the
official
plan
will
come
with
the
work
plan,
annex
where
we
will
be
looking
at
mechanisms
that
can
help
accelerate
the
production
of
housing
and
you
know,
get
more
housing
to
market
quicker.
It's
not
an
official
plant
policy,
it's
a
procedural
matter
and
those
will
be
part
of
the
package.
E
So
to
your
second
question
again,
the
answer
is
yes:
we
want
to
get
ourselves
to
the
the
state
where
613
flat
is
available
just
upon
a
building
permit.
As
of
right
again,
that's
not
the
official
plan.
That's
going
to
do
that,
but,
procedurally,
what
we
want
to
do
is
to
get
them
foot
printed,
which
is
the
program
that's
used,
typically
by
our
building
code
services
in
suburban
contexts,
where,
let's
say
like
you
know,
developer
x
has
like
five
models
of
townhouse.
E
Well,
they
footprint
each
of
the
five
models
and
if
their
subdivision
of
900
lots
has
okay,
I've
got
200
of
model,
a
200
of
model
b,
300
model
c,
et
cetera,
et
cetera.
Well,
it's
footprinted,
so
you
just
get
one
permit
for
each
model
and
then
you're
good
to
go.
We
want
to
do
that
for
613
flats
and
basically
we
want
to
do
that
for
small
scale,
multi-residential
buildings
that
otherwise
need
all
zoning
and
where
we
do
want
to
reduce
red
tape
as
much
as
possible.
E
So
we,
I
don't,
have
precise
details
of
how
that's
going
to
be
done,
but
it's
very
much
in
our
minds
because,
as
you
said,
it
is
a
concern
that
we
have
as
well
to
to
make
sure
we're
taking
roadblocks
out
of
housing
production.
On
the
other
hand,
if
like,
if
you
need
amendments
or
if
there's
issues
that
that
don't
meet
the
checklist,
we'll
call
you
back
in
for
a
site
plan
and
then
we'll
have
those
those
conversations.
E
Let's
see,
leanne
has
her
hands
up
her
hand
up.
C
Thanks
elaine,
I
think
it's
a
really
good
issue
that
I
think
it's
great,
so
I
just
want
to
make
a
quick
comment
on
it.
We've
certainly
been
having
discussions
that,
I
think
maybe
part
of
the
policy
would
be
considering
increasing
our
thresholds
for
cycling,
so
it
would
be
encouraging
more
sites
to
go
through
that
could
be
exempt
from
from
site
plan
that,
as
laugh
mentioned
in
terms
of
fitting
for
more
as
a
right
build.
C
So
I
think
there
could
be
some
policy
statements
that
we've
been
sort
of
considering
and
discussing
that
as
david
has
talked
to
us
about
previously,
just
with
respect
to
trying
to
encourage
more.
C
Infill
builders
to
do
so
with
our
levels
of
intensification-
and
I
think,
just
from
a
process
perspective
david-
to
make
a
really
good
point
with
respect
to
housing,
affordability
and
timelines
for
the
approval
process,
and
certainly
we
have
undertaken
to
develop
a
bit
of
a
backlog
reduction
strategy
within
our
team.
We're
going
to
be
sharing
with
the
industry
for
feedback
next
week
and
we've
been
able
to
get
approvals
for
five
temporary
planners
to
be
added
immediately
to
development
development
review,
to
try
and
help
with
that
backlog
that
we're
currently
experiencing.
C
So
I'm
really
glad
you
raised
the
question.
Thank
you
well,
thank
you.
Thank
you
to
both
and
I'll
to
both
you
and
I'll
also
share
from
the
canadian
home
builders
they're
going
to
be
giving
a
I'll
be
receiving
in
the
next
two
months,
a
a
guide
to
what
you
can
provide
to
me,
municipalities
to
help
with
the
approval
process,
and
you
guys
are
actually
doing
majority
of
what
the
canadian
home
builders
are
recommending.
C
So
if
you're
open
to
that,
I'm
happy
to
share
with
you
guys
when
I
receive
it,
and
I
think
I
think
you're
already
you're
already
going
down
the
right
path.
There's
no
doubt
about
that
and.
C
Yeah
yeah
speaking
about
what
you
guys
are
doing,
so
I'm
happy
to
share
that
with
with
anyone
that
wants
to
see
it
frankly,
because
housing
affordability
affects
all
of
us,
it
affects
our
children
and
you
know:
we've
drawn
a
line
in
the
sand
and
we
said
this
is
how
much
land
supply
is
coming
in
this
official
plan.
C
Let's
turn
the
page
we're
moving
on
so
now
we
have
to
say:
how
can
we
get
more
service
land
ready
to
offer
more
housing
choice
and
to
achieve
intensification
targets
and
every
every
other
goal
that's
been
poured
in
the
op.
So
thank
you
both
you,
fantastic
responses.
I'm
happy
to
hear
that,
and
I'm
always
here
to
help
any
way
possible.
So
thank
you.
A
Thank
you
david.
I
will
say:
oh
there
he
is
there.
So
I
was
talking
to
jeff
during
the
meeting
he
said.
Jeff
leaper
is
here.
Of
course.
I
mentioned
that
earlier.
He
would
like
to
jump
in,
but
he
wanted
to
respect
the
members
of
the
committee
prior
to
doing
so
so
go
ahead.
Jeff.
C
Thanks
scott,
so
I
guess
the
the
biggest
question
for
me
in
the
new
op
and
and
especially
with
the
what
we
heard
report
having
come
out
now
is
is
for
the
r1
neighborhoods,
the
density
requirements
of
the
previous
version
of
the
official
plan.
C
E
E
So
therefore
we
would
be
talking
about
zoning
permissions
more
than
we
would
be
talking
about
zoning
requirements,
so
the
what
becomes
permitted
would
then
reflect
what's
in
the
official
plan
and
then
based
on
permissions,
I
mean
there's
a
number
of
there's
a
number
of
ways.
E
I
mean
to
answer
your
question:
if
there's
a
wish
to
retain
an
ability
to
have
single
family
homes,
I
mean,
then
the
what
what
you
would
need
to
regulate
is
the
lot
size
lot
size
and
frontage
you,
you
can
reach
those
inner
urban
density
target
brackets
with
single-family
homes.
If
you
have
a
lot
size
that
that
adds
to
that
math,
so
there's
a
lot
of
different
ways
to
get
there
again.
What
we
want
to
concentrate
on
is
form
building
form
and
the
elements
of
streetscape
that
define
neighborhoods.
C
I
just
I
cannot
help
but
think
that
the
pressure
is
going
to
be
on
during
the
comprehensive
zoning
by-law
review
to
follow
for
neighborhoods,
like
civic
hospital,
where
there's
a
significant
swath
of
r1
zoning
or
mckellar
park,
where
there's
a
really
significant
swath
of
r1
zoning,
and
I
I
have
to
imagine
that
the
developers
are
going
to
want
to
argue
for
an
up
zoning
to
allow
to
be
detached.
At
least,
and
I
I
wonder
what
the
policies
are
of
the
official
plan.
If
council
were
to
determine
that
it
wanted
to
maintain
that
single
detached.
E
Okay,
so
a
couple
of
things,
one
is,
as
you
may
have
seen.
I
don't
know
if
you've
noticed
but,
as
you
may
have
seen,
we
count
secondary
dwelling
units
to
density
right.
So
there's
there's
a
different
there's,
a
number
of
different
ways
that
you
can
get
to
density.
Even
if
your
main
home
is
a
single
family
home,
you
can
have
a
basement
apartment
and
you
can
have
a
coach
house.
You
can
now
do
both
right
now.
E
You
can
do
either
or
but
we've
opened
the
door
that
you
can
do
both
you
can
have
a
basement
apartment
and
you
can
have
a
coach
house.
If
the
question
is,
I
want
to
do
a
semi,
then
the
first
thing
is
well:
if
you're
in
the
inner
urban
transit,
you
cannot
do
a
suburban
type
building.
So
the
types
of
semis
that
we've
seen
with
two
garages
in
the
front
and
two
driveways
that's
finished
gone.
E
No
more
of
those.
You
will
have
to
do
a
semi
with
a
single
driveway
shared
driveway
and
we
don't
want
to
see
a
barrage
in
the
front.
That's
it
so,
under
those
circumstances,
is
it
so
bad?
Maybe
not
if
there's
a
carriageway
that
takes
the
cars
to
a
facility
in
the
back
and
they
park
and
they're
out
of
view
and
out
of
sight
and
you've
got
two
trees
in
the
front
and
green
front
yards.
Is
that
so
bad?
Maybe
not,
it
all
depends
on
the
form.
E
It
all
depends
on
how
it
hits
the
ground
and
in
that
context,
if
there's
a
wide
lot,
that's
wide
enough
to
allow
for
that
to
happen.
Maybe
it's
not
so
bad.
So
these
are
discussions
again,
there's
a
lot
of
different
ways
to
get
there.
I
think
that
the
more
I
guess
the
the
low-hanging
bridge
here
is
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
allow
things
that
are
visibly
out
of
context
and
visibly
out
of
character
such
that
they
would
antagonize
people
unnecessarily
about
the
wrong
thing.
E
The
wrong
thing
here
being
density:
it's
not
the
density,
that's
the
problem!
Often
it's
how
that
density
is
designed
and
how
how
it
looks
and
again
there's
a
lot
of
examples.
Be
it
glee,
be
golden
triangle,
be
it
you
know
any
number
of
neighborhoods,
even
in
your
word,
cancer
leaper,
where
good
design
makes
density
irrelevant
and
invisible,
and
that's
what
we
want
to
focus
on.
C
Okay,
I
I'm
still
going
to
be
newly
met
through
because
the
some
of
the
communities,
some
of
the
our
existing
r1
communities,
are
going
to
want
to
preserve
single
detached.
That's
that's
a
defining
feature
of
their
neighborhood.
C
Understand
what
the
policy
logic
is
of
the
op
for
whether
or
not
that
is
defensible
when
we
go
to
do
the
comprehensive
zoning
bylaw
review
or
after
the
the
cbcl
to
see
whether
or
not
there's
anything
defensible
there
rather
than
sort
of
say
yeah,
we
we
think
we
can
and
then
have
to
sort
of
say
well,
no,
actually,
the
lpac's
not
going
to
sustain
us
on
that,
because
policy
x
y
instead
of
the
of
the
new
op,
enables
it,
and
I
really
want
to
try
to
understand
that,
because
I
I've
got
a
good
feeling.
C
We
we've
already
done
r4
and
I
I
you
know,
the
new
op
is
not
going
to
change
that
very
much.
We've
done
the
westboro
infill
study
with
the
r3,
and
we
have
a
really
good
understanding.
I
think,
of
what
our
three
neighborhoods
will
evolve
like
if
it
if
it
follows
the
pattern,
but
the
the
r1
neighborhoods
are
still
very
uncertain
as
to
what
this
op
means
for
them,
so
we'll
continue
nearly
in
all
summer.
I
appreciate
the
I
appreciate
the
answer:
elaine
nice
counselor.
A
No
worries
just
just
just
if
you
could
like
succinctly
wrap
that
up
is
you're
an
r1
neighborhood.
What
can
you
expect
in
this
op,
like?
What's
your
future
in
that
r1
neighborhood,
because
we've
had
some
controversial
applications
in
r1
neighborhoods
and
I
think
the
most
recent
one
most
most
folks
in
this
committee
are
familiar
with
the
urban
densities
and
the
urban
challenges
that
we've
had,
but
one
of
the
one
of
the
longest
parade
of
delegations
that
we've
had
in
recent
memory
was
was
in
kanata,
with
a
simple
three-story.
A
You
know
meets
the
actual
height
requirements
actually
was
below
the
height
cap
in
this
community.
Existing
did
not
require
a
height
increase
in
the
zoning,
but
it
was
an
r4
application
in
an
r1
neighborhood
and
the
residents
lost
their
minds
and
that's
in
canada
right
so
this
is.
This
is
suburban,
that's
the
future,
and
we
I've
talked
about
bar
haven
many
times
at
the
end
of
this.
At
the
end
of
this
boundary,
discussion
bar
haven,
conceivably,
is
done.
A
It's
it's
got
its
northern
cap,
which
is
the
green
belt.
It's
western
cap,
which
is
the
416.
it's
eastern
cap,
which
is
the
which
is
the
river
and
barnsdale
to
the
south,
which
is
all
primage
south
of
it,
so
everything
future
and
bar
haven,
even
though
bar
haven
in
some
parts
of
our
haven.
It's
a
higher
unit
per
hectare
count
than
the
gleep,
but
in
in
other
parts
you
know
you're,
going
to
see
intensification
and
bar
haven
in
the
coming
years.
That's
how
the
growth
will
have
to
occur
so
in
those
communities.
A
E
No,
no,
absolutely
in
bart
haven
I
mean
brah
haven't
just
has
the
size
of
kingston,
you
know
in
the
next
25
years,
it'll
grow
its
job
count,
but
it
and
it'll
blow
past
kingston
in
population.
No
doubt
about
it
and
ironically,
we
don't
use
the
r1
zone
in
bar
haven.
I
haven't
used
it
for
decades.
E
You
know
it's
all
r3
or
r4.
In
all
new
suburbs.
We
don't
use
the
r1
zone
anymore,
so
I
mean
the
answer
is
because
of
the
changes
that
we've
made.
There's
no
requirement,
there's
density
permissions
right
there's,
so
what
r1
neighborhoods
can
expect
is
when
we
get
around
to
redoing
the
the
zoning
bylaw,
there
will
be
permissions
in
the
zoning,
but
because
their
permissions,
you
know,
if
people
don't
want
to
do
anything
different
with
their
own
single
family
home,
they
get
to
keep
it
they
get
to
rebuild
it.
We
get
to
add
to
it.
E
E
There's
an
inner
urban
neighborhood,
there's
a
low-rise
neighborhood,
there's
a
downtown
neighborhood,
there's
a
suburban
neighborhood,
but
you
know
in
many
of
these
so-called
r1
neighborhoods,
there's
already
a
number
of
things
that
are
happening.
There's
already,
you
know,
there's
already
single-family
homes
that
are
being
rented
by
the
room
or
to
households,
there's
already
a
lot
of
single-family
homes
that
have
apartments
there's
a
lot
of
single-family
homes
that
have
pad
additions.
So
again
you
look
at
the
building.
E
How
can
we
sitting
here
today
in
2021
presumed
to
know
what
people
in
2046
are
going
to
need
out
of
that
building
they're
going
to
want
the
location,
but
are
we
future
proofing
those
neighborhoods
enough
to
make
sure
that
generation
generations
can
still
come
into
the
neighborhoods
use
these
buildings
with
needs
that
we
don't
yet
anticipate?
E
But
probably
it
will
mean
yeah
there's
there
will
be
a
demand
for
residential
opportunities
in
good
neighborhoods,
and
the
official
plan
should
talk
to
that
with
the
sensitivity
that
you
want
to
have
the
context
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
do,
but
I
think
the
whole
idea
of
r1
neighborhoods
comes
from
that
that
mid
20th
century
mentality
of
segregation
of
things
where
you
know
you
have
one
type
of
thing
here,
one
type
of
thing
in
there,
one
type
of
thing
there
and
we
saw
that
it
didn't
work.
The
city
doesn't
work
that
way.
E
The
city
is
much
more
of
a
blend,
it's
much
more.
It's
it's
much
less
surgical
than
that,
and
we
have
to
allow
for
that
reality,
especially
in
light
of
the
conversation
we
just
had
with
david
renfrow
about
affordability.
I
mean
freezing
things
like
an
idea
that
comes
from
the
1960s
guarantees
that
your
affordability
is
is
is
gone.
So
that's,
I
think,
where
a
lot
of
the
discussion
will
take
us.
A
C
C
As
alain
said,
you
have
permissions,
you
can
have
a
coach
house,
you
can
have
a
secondary
dwelling
unit,
it's
not
just
a
single
detached
dwelling
with
just
say
a
nuclear
family
living
in
it,
and
maybe,
if
we're
going
the
way
of
613
flats,
where
it's
really
the
design
of
the
building
that
matters
and
not
the
density,
it's
the
look
and
how
it
sits
and
fits
from
the
street
view.
C
Perhaps
it's
just
there's
been
a
slow
evolution,
but
maybe
it
is
time
to
when
it
comes
to
the
zoning
bylaw.
Okay,
these
neighborhoods
are
coming
to
the
end
of
their
their
era,
because
we
just
be
looking
for
some
smaller
minor,
more
just
intensification,
but
it's
time
for
them
to
evolve.
Just
like
you're,
just
like
every
other
neighborhood
r3r4
evolves,
as
counselor
leaper
had
said,
they're
different
ways
that
things
we've
done
to
make
sure
that
you
know
if
you're
gonna
have
three
units
you're
gonna
have
four
units.
C
This
is
how
they're
gonna
fit
in.
So
if
you're
gonna
have
more
than
just
a
single
detached
dwelling,
this
is
how
it
has
to
fit
in,
and
maybe
it's
the
term
ripped
the
bandage
off.
But
maybe
it's
it's
time.
A
A
That
will
make
it
more
challenging
and
it's
it's
I've
been
kind
of
pushing
that
thought
that
we
we
need
to
lead
on
this.
We
we
can't,
you
know,
I'm
not
going
to
name
communities,
there's
been
a
few
communities
that
were
the
strongest
in
favor
of
holding
the
line
of
your
boundary
that
have
also
pushed
back
the
most
on
some
of
the
intensification
policies
because
they
didn't
realize
that
one
begets
the
other,
at
least
in
their
neighborhood
they've,
seen
it
elsewhere.
A
They've
seen
catch
cpt
kitchen
take
their
fair
share
of
intensification
over
the
last
10
15
years,
and
I
think
they
just
assumed
it
was
gonna
continue
like
that
they
didn't
realize
they
were
next
and
I
think
that's
the
tough
part
is
that
how
do
we?
How
do
we
blend
that
in?
How
do
we?
How
do
we
address
those
concerns
of
intensification
in
those
communities
but
still
find
a
way
to
meet
those
to
meet
those
needs
so
that
we're
not
just
relying
on
40
stories
hours
and
places?
I've
said
to
another
counselor.
A
We
can't
tower
our
way
to
60
it's
not
going
to
work.
We
need.
We
need
to
take
establish
single
family
homes
and
and
have
some
conversions
there
doesn't
mean
all
of
them
doesn't
mean
your
whole
community
is
going
to
change,
but
there
will
be
some
changes.
We've
already
seen
them
in
other
establishments,
communities
from
the
60s
70s,
I
think
community
bells
corners,
you
know,
can
take
more
growth,
can
take
more
change.
A
It's
it's
capped
by
its
size
because
of
because
of
surrounded
by
the
green
belt,
but
we're
gonna
put
lrt
at
its
doorstep
in
the
next
few
years.
You
know
things
can
change
there.
You
have
a
massive
parking
lot
with
a
closed
sellers.
You
know
what
can
happen
in
that
parking
lot,
there's
so
much
potential
there
right.
I
know
if
we
factor
those
in
of
course,
to
rop
as
to
what
as
to
what
can
happen
in
the
densities,
but
it's
in
those
other
neighborhoods
too.
A
So
you
know
I
look
at
a
community
like
manatee
just
15
years
ago.
They
were
fearful
of
of
what
minto
was
they
thought
and
and
they
they
thought
they
wanted.
More
of
the
same.
Romantic
unfortunately
grew
with
just
one
acre.
Almost
almost
one
acre
lots
like
the
three
course
maker,
but
it's
taken
up
a
lot
of
the
space
but
the
mental
development.
While
it
was
incredibly
opposed
at
the
start,
it's
actually
adapted
to
the
market
change
and
to
what
the
demand
has
been
in
the
village.
A
So
through
the
2015
secondary
plan
we
saw
the
community
say
we
want
certain
type
of
housing
that
we
don't
have.
We
want
more
housing
opportunities
in
the
village.
Out
of
that
was
born
the
regional
development
on
on
main
street,
where
we
saw
a
bunch
of
adult
lifestyle
bunglers
built
in
manzik
at
a
high
density
rate.
A
Minto
saw
that
saw
the
success
then
actually
started
building
that
in
their
phases
too,
which
is
something
they
never
planned,
because
their
entire
plan
was
two-story
single-family
homes
throughout
that
didn't
even
work
in
their
phase,
one
they
had
to
move
to
bungalows,
because
that
was
what
the
demand
was.
So
you
know
a
community
like
manitoba
I've
seen
it
shift
in
the
last
10
years,
we're
seeing
more
density
in
the
in
the
in
the
core
of
magic,
three-story
apartment
buildings,
rentals
in
the
middle
of
manatee.
A
A
It's
it's
unaffordable,
so
you
need
that
shift
in
housing
so
that
you
can
actually
have
some
balance
in
your
community
if
it's
just
more
the
same
you're
going
to
lose
businesses,
and
you
can't
afford
that
you
can't
afford
to
hollow
out
your
community.
You
need
to
have
a
full
community
complete
community,
and
that
requires
housing.
Choice
within
that
neighborhood
and
some
communities
don't
have
that.
Hopefully
we
get
there
in
all
communities
and
that
that
can
create
that
15-minute.
A
D
Thank
you
for
that.
Actually,
I
think
what
you're
talking
about,
I
think,
brings
to
light
kind
of
a
comment
that
I
wanted
to
bring
up
earlier,
which
is
you
know
in
the
shift
of
the
official
plan
to
from
and
again
the
official
plan
is
a
great
document,
it's
really
recognizing
patterns
and
responding
to
them
and
really
mapping
mapping
a
path
forward.
D
So
it's
decided
that
to
do
that
it
you
know
the
the
the
need
is
to
look
at
kind
of
the
form
of
a
city,
the
form
and
allow
that
you
know
to
dictate
the
success
and
the
kind
of
you
know
the
acceptance
of
some
of
these
applications
that
might
be
controversial
or
might
you
know,
might
might
not
appear
to
be
the
most
logical
or
desirable
choice
at
the
outset,
but
again
through
careful
consideration,
careful
design
and
capable
form,
building
they'll
have
a
great
chance
to
succeed
and
to
contribute
to
the
growth
of
the
neighborhood
in
the
city
as
a
whole.
D
That
should
somehow
still
play
a
very
significant
role,
so
you
know
I
guess,
when
the
pendulum
swings,
with
this
new
official
plan
to
really
focus
on
form
and
the
growth
of
the
city,
I
think
you
know
my
my
hope
is
that
there's
still
a
very
careful
consideration
of
use
in
in
in
how
that
pendulum
swings,
because
when
you,
you
know
when
you
think
of
you
know
that
resistance,
it
can
add
to
this
development.
Well,
it's
not
like
you
say
it's
not
a
form
issue.
It's
not
an
issue
with
forum.
D
If
the
building
fits
the
guidelines
fit
fits,
you
know
the
pattern
that's
been
established
there,
it's
really
how
how
that's,
how
the
building
is
used
that
the
neighbors
might
have
been
responding
to
so
it's
you
kind
of
have
to
go
hand
in
hand.
You
can't
you
can't
push
one
and
and
leave
the
other
behind
that
the
two
kind
of
need
to
work
together
for
successful
design.
D
So
I
really
do
hope
that
the
official
plan
keeps
that
in
mind
and
recognizes
that
you,
you
kind
of
you,
you
can't
tilt
the
pendulum
into
you
know
because
then,
when
it
swings
back,
it'll
swing
back
harder
and
it'll
kind
of
create
more
extreme
kind
of
reaction,
but
just
I
just
want
to
be.
You
know,
I
know
it's
getting
late.
I
just
want
to
touch
on
or
recognize
a
conversation.
D
That's
happening
in
the
chat
with
respect
to
the
timeline
of
the
official
plan
and
the
release
of
drafts,
and
I
just
want
to
bring
that
conversation
out
into
the
into
the
discussion
because
it
is,
it
is
an
important
topic.
I
have
heard
that
come
up
many
times.
D
Things
seem
to
be
moving
very
quickly.
Certainly,
we've
seen
that
you
know
you
know
we
have
a
special
session
on
documents
that
have,
you
know,
been
freshly
released.
You
know
I'm
a
member
of
the
oaa
I'm
here
on
the
panel
as
representing
the
way.
Yet
I've
had
very
little
time
to
actually
consult
with
colleagues
and
reflect
on
some
of
the
feedback
that's
contained
in
the
as
we
heard
it
report
and
again,
that's
just
a
function
of
how
fast
things
are
moving.
So
I
would
like
to
kind
of
acknowledge
this.
D
The
question
that
has
come
up,
I
think,
alex
cullen
raised
that
first
question
about
the
timeline.
It's
you
know.
The
final
draft
is
being
released
late
august,
everyone's
on
vacation
school
starts.
D
You
know
a
week
from
then
everyone's
busy
getting
their
kids
to
school
or
getting
ready
for
you
know
september,
and
it
seems
to
be
at
a
time
where
there's
a
very
short
window
for
for
a
good
amount
of
reflection
and
responses
by
all
those
community
associations
and
and
people
that
are
going
to
be
impacted
the
most
by
this
and
who
have
like
black
catalan,
has
a
very
deep
understanding
of
of
this,
and
we
would
like
to
have
the
time
to
carefully
contribute
and
meaningfully
contribute
to
this
draft.
D
So
I
I
think
it's
something
that
would
be
great
if
we
can
just
touch
upon
and
to
see
how,
how
how
do
you
respond
to
that
really
short
time
frame
that
we're
facing.
A
Yeah,
just
I
mean
you're
right,
it's
a
conversation.
We
have
in
the
chat
that
I've
realized
that
other
people
can't
see.
But
to
that
to
that
point,
just
to
reiterate
my
response
in
there
was
that
the
idea
is
that
we
won't
just
drop
a
document
at
the
end
of
august
and
say
here.
A
It
will
be
very
clear
and
it
has
to
be
clear-
and
I
think
this
conversation
makes
that
even
more
more
obvious
that
it
needs
to
be.
It
needs
to
have
that
clarity
as
to
you
know
what
what's
in,
that
op
that's
different
than
what
you
saw
earlier,
but
knowing
that
the
baseline
for
conf,
for
the
conversation
is
still
that
that
initial
draft
op
and
that
we're
taking
the
comments
and
concerns
that
we
heard
through
that
through
that
process
and
addressing
them
in
this,
and
today's
conversation
is
a
part
of
that.
A
The
discussion
that
we've
we've
had
internally
with
counselors
is
also
part
of
that
and
then,
as
it
comes
out
in
phases
that
you
will
have
opportunity
to
be
able
to
look
at
that,
you
know.
There's
no
perfect,
there's
no
perfect
scenario.
There's
no!
You
know
perfect
timeline.
That
suggests
that,
because
every
time
you
push
things
off,
you
push
something
else
further.
A
A
So
I
you
know,
I
feel
that
staff
are
aware.
I
mean
charmaine.
If
you
want
to
talk
a
bit
to
that
to
that
timeline
into
that
release
piece.
I
think
it's
important
that
we
get
it
out
as
soon
as
possible.
Obviously,
but
it
has
to
be
ready,
has
to
go
and
then
for
it
to
be
clear
and
that
community
association's
and
the
public
at
large
will
be
able
to
look
at
it.
A
I
think,
if
someone's
coming
to
this
process
for
the
first
time
now,
it's
going
to
be
tough
and
almost
impossible
for
them,
but
knowing
we've
had
the
engagement
we've
had
on
this
to
date,
the
people
who
continue
to
gauge
on
this
are
likely
people
that
have
already
been
heavily
engaged
and
understand
where,
where
that
baseline
is
so
it
should,
it
should
be
a
more
straightforward
process.
The
second
time
around
with
that
draft
op,
because
of
how
we
presented
sharmini.
Do
you
want
to
add
anything
to
that.
F
Yes,
thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
muhammad
yeah.
I
I
certainly
understand
it's
not
ideal
being
the
summer.
I
understand
that,
and
I
appreciate
that.
Excuse
me.
That's
why
I
we've.
We
don't
typically
do
in
term,
as
we
heard
it
reports
with
the
changes.
Typically,
what
we
do
is
we
drop
it
at
the
end
say
ta-da
here
here
it
is
and
here's
all
the
changes
and
so
recognizing
that
it
is
significant
and
there
has
been
a
lot
of
feedback.
We
have
done
the
citywide
and
we
will
be
doing
the
main.
F
What
we've
heard
and
the
main
responses
to
it
will
be
in
the
ward
specific,
as
we
heard
it
reports
all
of
those
will
be
available
as
we're
crafting
them,
they
will
be
available
on
engage
ottawa,
so
I'm
hoping
that
will
help
as
well
and
to
and
thank
you
chair
for
pointing
out
about
the
track
changes
they
will
be
available
as
ready.
Also
the
highlight
sheets,
I'm
taking
a
look
at
the
highlight
sheets
that
we
had.
F
We
had
21
of
them
I'll
be
looking
at
those
and
seeing
where
the
changes
are
and
highlighting.
So
I'm
doing
my
my
best
to
make
it
as
user
friendly
as
possible,
but
I
do
understand
it's
a
big
document,
but
I
I'm
very
hopeful
how
we
present
it.
This
time
will
be
you'll
just
be
having
to
look
at
the
changes.
There's
been
a
lot
of
thoughtful
feedback.
Folks
are
very
well
aware
of
what's
in
the
op,
and
so
I
think
that
this
way
is
a
good
way
of
doing
it.
F
So
any
communication
that
the
wording
has
changed.
I
will
reflect
it
in
track
changes.
I
think
that's
easier
for
everyone
to
understand
and
then
a
clean
version
for
those
that
just
want
to
read
through
it.
So
I
hope
that
I
know
it's
not
probably
your
the
ideal
response,
but
that
is
certainly
the
way
that
we
have
our
path
going
forward
and
I
do
think
it
will
help.
I
hope
that
helps
you
know.
You
understand
that
I
don't
know.
I
know
it's
284
pages
I
get
it.
F
I
think
this
way,
I'm
confident
that
you
will
be
able
to
get
through
it
without
having
to
read
it
from
start
to
finish
this
time.
A
All
right
thanks,
I
just
want
to
be
cognitive
time,
so
we
lost
tom
moss
at
around
7
30,
which
meant
we
lost
quorum.
Now
again,
we
don't
actually
approve
any
substantive
here.
So
it's
not
quorum.
Isn't
the
bl
end
all
for
an
advisor
committee,
but
just
just
to
recognize
that
that's
that
we
don't
have
quorum,
but
I
mean
it
doesn't
change
how
we
can
proceed
that
said,
l.a
does
have
to
depart
in
himself
in
10
minutes,
so
I
just
wanted
to
throw
it
out
there
and
I
want.
A
As
a
result,
I
want
to
go
directly
to
carolyn
to
make
sure
that
your
question
can
be
responded
to
by
ali.
If
that's
where
it's
going
so
go
ahead.
Karen
carolyn
sorry.
B
Oh
yeah
thanks.
Actually,
I
think
muhammad
covered
off
the
comments
that
I
want
that
I
wanted
to
make
just
very
just
very
briefly,
a
quick,
quick
comment.
Picking
up
on
something
you
had
said,
scott
was
just
about
the
where
communities
were
opposed
into
the
urban
boundary
expansion
and
I,
I
think,
you're
absolutely
right.
You
can't
have
it
both
ways.
You
can't
say
hold
the
line,
hold
the
line,
don't
expand
and
then
not
be
prepared
to
think
about
how
intensification
can
be
part
of
your
neighborhood.
B
Looking
each
other
in
the
whites
of
the
eyes
and
say,
come
on
guys,
we
you
know,
we
gotta,
we
have
room,
we
can
make
room
and
it's
and
it
will
be,
and
if
we
do
it
well
and
if
we
pay
attention,
I
think
it'll
be
there'll,
be
some
great
benefits
to
the
neighborhood
as
well,
and
we'll
make
some
room
for
for
people
who
can't
necessarily
buy
homes
but
can
rent
and
get
into
the
neighborhood.
So
and
that's
a
good
thing,
so
I
think
it
is
possible.
B
I
guess
I
I
would
circle
back
and
I'll,
be
very
brief.
Just
to
this
idea
of
of
of
the
importance
of
the
modeling
and
seeing
that
which
to
me
is
sort
of
the
evidentiary
basis
for
the
enabling
language
that
that
we
put
in
the
official
plan
as
well.
What
is
what
do
those
numbers?
What
does
the
math
tell
us
about
what
we
need
to
do,
because
if
it's
not
going
to
go
into,
if
you're
trying
to
make
the
case
for
why
you
should
be
limiting
something
in
your
neighborhood,
you
you
need.
B
Everyone
needs
to
have
the
big
picture
of
how
how
the
whole
picture
has
to
fit
together,
and
that's
part
of
the
reason
why
I
think
it's
really
important
that
those
that
that
math
be
provided
to
people
so
that
they
can.
They
can
understand
those
trade-offs.
B
E
Exactly
carolyn
and
thanks
very
much,
mr
chairman,
so
yeah
absolutely
and
that's
why
we
want
to
get
the
math.
You
know
finalized
and
released.
E
If
there's
some
lots,
I
can
take
four
you
see
where
I'm
going.
I
mean
the
the
real
impact.
You
know
if
you've
got
178
000
lots
in
neighborhoods
and
the
real
impact
of
absorbing
49
000
family
size
units
is,
you
know
a
fraction
like
you
know,
maybe
10
15
of
those
lots
over
the
course
of
25
years.
I
would
see
some
change.
E
I
would
like
that
message
to
also
reach
as
many
people
as
possible.
I
think
we'll
be
okay.
It's
not
going
to
be
a
very
drastic
change,
it
will
be
changed,
but
it's
not
going
to
be
as
drastic
to
change
as
I
think
some
people
fear
and
we
understand
that
people
do
fear
drastic
change,
because
there
has
been
a
lot
of
drastic
change
in
some
parts
of
the
city.
When
you
see
a
tall
high-rise
building
being
built,
it
is
drastic
change,
but
we've
really
put
a
lot
of
emphasis
here
on
the
small
scale.
E
A
All
right
thanks
for
that.
I
just
pointed
that.
There's
I
sit
on
a
on
advisory
board
for
the
ottawa
climate
action
fund
and
they've
been
having
a
conversation
about
this
as
well.
They
see
their
role
in
in
advocating,
for
you
know,
climate
change
policies
through
the
through
the
intensification
piece
as
well
and
they're,
actually
working
on
a
on
a
kind
of
an
exciting
plan
to
help
grow
that
conversation
about
intensification,
to
see
the
values
of
it
and
see
what
it
means
on
the
ground
to
try
to.
A
I
don't
know,
I
guess
broaden
that
conversation.
Quite
often,
we
talk
about
intensification,
we're
almost
always
talking
to
the
converted
already
it's.
It's
rare
that
when
we
do
this
policy
conversation
that
we're
talking
to
the
people
that
are
going
to
have
to
deal
with
the
changes
that
we
make
so
they're
looking
at
starting
a
campaign
to
kind
of
target
those
areas
where
maybe
these
residents
aren't
traditionally
engaged
but
they're
the
ones
that
are
going
to
see
the
most
change.
How
can
we
make
them?
Part
of
the
conversation
like
carolyn's
point
is
the
same.
A
A
That's
the
conversation
we
had
with
the
mantic
secondary
plan
was
saying:
listen,
there's
going
to
be
bigger
development.
Here
I
even
tried
to
push
the
five-story
argument.
The
community
wouldn't
take
it
too
much,
but
I
was
preparing
them
for
saying
this
is
going
to
happen
someone's
going
to
come
forward
with
an
application
in
this
community
for
five
stories.
I
know
many
of
you
are
thinking.
Oh
my
god.
A
Five
stories
can
I
please
let
me
take
that
if
that's
all
I
have
to
take,
but
but
that's
that's,
the
real
small
community
right
is
that
they
have
a
different,
a
different
mindset.
So,
but
certainly
I
expect
someone
to
come
forward.
In
fact,
one
of
the
group
just
came
forward
with
a
four-story
suggestion
to
the
community
solution
recently,
which
will
be
requiring
an
opa
for
for
a
manatee
and
that's
you
know
just
for
four
stories.
A
You
know
so
it's
it's
a
big
change,
but
we
also,
we
also
value
the
what's
around
these.
What's
around
these
rural
villages,
we
value
the
fact
that
they
are,
you
know,
kind
of
isolated
and
in
in
a
in
a
rural
setting
surrounded
by
our
cultural
land.
If
we
don't
see
that
growth
within
the
boundaries
we're
going
to
have
to
expand
them,
richmond
slated
to
take
5000
units
in
the
next
50
years,
they've
got
2
000
units
now
5
000
more
units.
A
A
That
type
of
balance
will
help
us
get
to
the
point
of
where
we
need
to
be
by
2050
and
that
we
aren't
looking
at
additional
urban
boundary
expansions
in
2030
and
2040
and
2050..
You
know:
we've
seen
the
map,
we
had
a
map,
the
goal
belt.
It
showed
all
the
lands
that
could
actually
absorb
the
two
million
people
that
are
going
to
come
to
this
city
between
now
and
2100.
A
We
have
land
to
grow,
but
do
we
is
that
sustainable?
Can
we
actually
do
that
and
have
a
city
that
we
want
to
that
we
want
to
to
live
in,
so
it's
important,
an
important
conversation
for
sure
so
alain
if
you
have
to
go.
I
appreciate
it
understand
that.
Thank
you
for
being
here
tonight.
Coralia
go
ahead.
E
This
is
truman.
I
will
sign
off
thanks
for
everybody,.
C
Yes,
you
were
talking
about
monotique,
I'm
a
monotic
resident,
so
I'm
very
if
you
don't
allow
the
fourth
floor
on
the
main
street
and
to
intensify
that
we
already
have
two
retirement
homes.
You
have
to
attract
young
people
and
young
couple
to
work
an
office,
the
problem,
it's
the
services,
that's
the
only
problem
that
we
have.
A
That's
right,
yeah,
that's
fair
and
that's
one
of
the
that's
one
of
the
tough
things,
too,
is
that
you
know
every
time
we
talk
about
because
mantic's
in
that
rural
transit
area
average
manatee
home
will
pay
around
200
a
year
for
transit.
Why?
Because
they
don't
really
get
transit,
but
if
we
brought
urban
transit
out
to
like
if
we
brought
mancy
into
the
urban
transit
rate.
Now
I'm
talking
about
a
new
near
1
000
tax
increase
for
every
every
homantic,
so
you
have
to
need
the
demand
has
to
meet.
A
That
has
to
be
there
in
order
to
bring
the
supply.
The
one
benefit
is
that
within
likely
a
year
or
two
lrt
stationed
at
riverside
south,
that's
a
five
minute.
That's
a
five
minute
ride!
That's
a
that's
a
game!
Changer
for
the
south
end
the
residents
of
greeley
right
now,
don't
pay
a
cent
toward
transit,
not
a
cent.
A
A
Yeah,
that's
right,
and
so
when
we
look
at
we're
seeing
more
applications
for
apartment
style,
rentals
in
in
the
village
core,
we
still
want
to
see
three
stories
on
main
street,
but
tucked
in
behind
that
there's
space,
we
call
it
the
gaps
in
the
official
in
the
mantic
secondary
plan,
there's
space
there
to
go
higher,
it's
similar
to
preston.
So
on
preston
we
we
wanted
to
keep
the
feel
on
preston
to
be
that
sort
of
that
old
community
feel
with
the
restaurants
and
stores.
A
A
A
We
want
to
have
that
that
main
street
village
feel
but
know
that
we
need
to
be
able
to
put
the
population
in
the
village
as
well
within
the
core,
not
that
they
have
to
drive
from
one
side
of
the
village
into
the
middle
to
get
there,
but
actually
right
there,
so
they
can
get
out
of
their
houses
and
walk
and
and
be
patrons
right.
Now,
some
of
our
restaurants.
We
have
restaurants
that
the
biggest
patrons
come
from
bar
haven
riverside
south
down
into
mantic,
but
we
won't.
A
We
want
those
people
in
our
village,
because
once
once
the
downtown
core
gets
divined
in
in
bar
haven,
we
could
lose
that
business
in
mantic.
So
we
need
to
have
that
to
make
sure
we're
sustainable
too,
and
so
every
community
faces
that
same
idea.
I'm
just
using
you
know.
Mantic
is
a
bit
of
a
microcosm
but
but
at
which
you
understand
because
you're
there,
but
I
know
because
I
was
I
was
born
and
raised
there
but
yeah.
I
appreciate
that
it's
the
conversation
is
a
very
I.
A
I
actually
enjoy
this
committee
because
I
love
these
conversations.
I
think
it's
it's
great
balance
between,
especially
with
council
leap
for
council
cavanaugh
here
to
have
that
balance
with
councillors,
members
of
the
public
members
of
with
david
here
from
goba
that
type
of
thing
and
staff
as
well.
I
find
these
are
very,
I
enjoy
them.
I
really
enjoy
them,
so
I
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
be
chair
of
this
of
this
committee,
so
I
don't
know
if
anyone
else
has
any
comments
or
questions,
I
don't
see
any
hands
raised.
D
But
ultimately
we
all
know
that
you
can
really
only
respond
to
something
when
you
full
picture,
when
you
can
kind
of
see
everything
together
and
so
that's
released
in
its
entirety
in
august,
20th
public
has
a
chance
for
three
weeks.
Is
it
to
review
again?
I
will
note
that
it's
at
the
peak
of
the
summer.
That's
when
everyone
is.
D
A
D
C
D
A
So
charming,
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
take
that
I
mean.
Ultimately,
I
think
what
charlemagne
was
saying
is
that
earlier
that
we're
kind
of,
inter
injecting
an
interim
process,
an
interim
report
in
this
in
this
normal
process,
what
would
happen
is
that
you'd
have
you
do
the
full
report?
You'd
go.
You
put
the
report
out
there
for
comments
staff.
It's
like
a
development
application
staff
come
back
with
the
comments
they
evaluate
them.
They
produce
that
final
report.
A
That
final
report
goes
to
goes
to
committee
and
then,
if
there's
additional
comments
that
they
happen
there
and
things
maybe
can
change
on
the
floor.
We've
seen
that
before
we
saw
what
happened
in
in
february
of
of
of
of
this
year,
we
saw
changes
on
the
on
the
floor
of
committee
and
council
to
major
documents
that
have
been
worked
through
right.
That
can
still
happen,
sometimes
for
the
better,
sometimes
for
the
works,
but
that
can
that
can
still
occur.
A
So
in
this
case
you
know
you
have
this
final
report
that
the
questions
will
come
in.
The
comments
will
come
in
staff
will
have
a
chance
to
see
them.
We'll
have
a
chance
to
see
them,
hopefully,
members
to
counsel,
and
you
could
see
that
that
discussion
and
change
happen,
but
there's
not
a
similar
second
process
similar
to
the
first
one.
F
All
right,
thank
you
chair,
so
what
will
happen
is
that's
why
we're
getting
comments?
Even
we've
just
released
the
citywide
and
receiving
feedback
already,
and
so
we
don't
want
to
leave
it
to
the
end,
so
we'll
receive
the
feedback,
and
if
that
feedback
is
something
that
the
planners
feel
can
be
incorporated
and
changes
are
made,
they
will
make
them,
and
so
the
final
legislated
open
house,
which
is
the
end
of
august.
F
F
Every
week
I
give
my
team
gives
a
week
saying
this
is
what
we
heard
this
week.
Take
it
away,
look
at
what
pieces
it
is
where
it's
adopted
and
makes
the
changes
so
from
is
it
from
the
labor
intensive?
This
way
it
takes
off
that
labor
intensive,
because
we're
not
waiting
for.
I
didn't
draw
1500
comments
on
them
and
say
now
as
they
come
in.
I
give
it
that's
what
they're
looking
for
and
we're
prepared
to
do
this.
F
I
and
I
get
it
it's
summer
for
us
as
well,
and
so
I
understand
that
so
doing
it
the
best
that
we
can
when
we
go
to
the
open
house,
the
legislated
meaning
we
are.
F
So
as
we
go,
it's
a
very
fluid
process
to
ensure
that
we
get
the
feedback
and
make
the
necessary
changes.
And
then
we
do
go
to
the
joint
committee
september,
13th,
14th
and
15th,
and
at
that
time
again
it's
a
public
there's
opportunity
right
up
into
that
time.
There's
an
opportunity
to
provide
feedback
and
also
the
delegations
happen
at
those
those
committees
as
well.
So
there
again
another
opportunity
at
the
joint
committee.
We
have
booked
of
it
will
be
the
13th
we've
booked
extra
days,
just
in
case
there
are
delegations.
A
If
there
are
emotions
that
happen
generally,
what
we
do
in
a
big
document
like
this,
if
there
are
motions
that
that
come
forward
at
the
joint
meeting
we'll
hold
on
to
those
and
we
won't
bring
those
until
we'll
bring
those
directly
to
council
for
a
vote.
We
we
often
don't
vote
on
those
at
those
big
joint
meetings.
We
bring
them
together,
kind
of
give
everyone
a
chance
to
look
at
them
and
understand
them,
and
then
we
bring
them
to
council
for
a
vote
of
full
of
full
council.
A
All
right
someone
else:
oh
well,
leanne
had
your
hand
up,
but
I
think
you're
you
didn't
want
to
say
anything.
C
I
I
did
have
my
hand
up.
I
just
wanted
to
just
to
add
to
both
what
you
and
sharmini
have
already
outlined,
but
you
know
this
is
kind
of
the
reason
why
that
people
are
giving
everyone
the
heads
up
notice.
Now
I
think
everybody
empathizes
with
the
timing
and
the
summer,
but
it's
hopeful
that
people
will
mark
their
calendars
now
that
you've
got
a
month's
notice
that
the
next
draft
is
coming
for
people
to
pay
attention
to
it
when
it
does
come
and
chair.
C
I
was
also
just
going
to
indicate
from
the
last
op
that
yes
and
you
out
of
mind
about
the
issue
with
the
motion,
so
it's
never
over
until
it's
over
until
council
approved,
so
there's
a
significant
amount
of
time.
Yet
from
the
time
august
draft
is
released
until
council's
meeting
and
as
I
recall
from
the
last
op
that
I
was
involved
in,
we
were
right
up
until
the
minute
council
started.
C
F
You
and
just
can
I
add
to
that-
then
it
goes
to
the
ministry
when
additional
changes
can
be
made
by
the
ministry.
So
it's
it's.
Our
draft
approved
council
new
official
plan,
but
then
it
goes
to
the
ministry
for
final
approval
and
that
can
take.
You
know
between
effort
between
four
and
nine
months.
So
around
six
months.
So
there's
we
don't
have
the
necessarily
the
last
say
we
have
what
we
think
it's
a
city,
but
then
it
does
go
to
the
ministry
for
the
final
approval
and
there
still
could
be
changes
from
the
ministry.
F
A
A
I
take
advantage
of
my
relationships.
Okay,
any
other
comments,
or
should
I
let
you
all
go
and
enjoy
the
rest
of
this?
What
day
is
it
tuesday?
Is
it
tuesday
today,
okay,
good
all
right?
Thank
you
all
I
appreciate
our
next
hold
on.
This
is
an
official
meeting.
I
can't
just
sit
there
and
sign
off
notice.
The
motion
non-inquiries
none
of
the
business
non-adjournments
carried
okay
carried
our
next
meeting
is
scheduled
for
wednesday
october
6th
2021.