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Planning and Housing Committee - January 18, 2023
A
So
good
morning
to
everyone
joining
us
for
this
first
planning
and
housing
committee
meeting
of
the
term,
it's
important
that
we
acknowledge
that
we
are
on
the
unseated
and
never
surrendered
territory,
the
Algonquin
and
nation,
whose
culture
and
presence
have
nurtured
and
continue
to
nurture
this
land.
It
is.
A
If
I
may
offer
just
a
couple
of
remarks,
everyone
will
have
taken
note
that
this
committee
is
now
the
planning
and
housing
committee
with
a
refreshed
mandate
to
focus
on
the
creation
of
Housing
and
particularly
affordable
housing.
The
last
Council
recognized
that
the
lack
of
affordable
and
Supportive
Housing
has
reached
crisis
proportions.
A
Our
Council
has
the
opportunity
to
make
real
progress,
recognizing
that
the
province
has
taken
actions
that
make
that
both
easier
and
more
difficult,
depending
on
the
issue,
a
particular
development
and
a
neighborhood's
perspective,
one
of
our
biggest
jobs.
This
term
is
a
new,
comprehensive
zoning
bylaw
in.
A
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G
A
Thank
you
very
much,
a
quick
statement
with
respect
to
the
public
hearing
for
op
and
Zoning
items.
This
is
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
proposed
comprehensive
official
plan
in
zoning
bylaw
amendments
listed
as
items
5.1
to
5.7
on
today's
agenda
for
the
items
just
mentioned,
only
those
who
make
oral
submissions
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendments
are
adopted.
May
appeal,
the
matter
to
the
Ontario
land
tribunal.
In
addition,
the
applicant
May
appeal
the
matter
to
the
Ontario
land
tribunal.
A
H
So
I
counselor
Lane
Johnson
declare
a
potential
deemed
indirect
pecuniary
interest
on
the
following
items
on
the
planning
committee
agenda
of
January,
18
2023
item
5.2
zoning
bylaw,
Amendment
139
and
143
Balsam
Street
and
20
Larch
Street.
As
my
father
is
an
employee
of
Preston
hardware
and
item
5.4.
Zoning
bylaw
Amendment
535
Chapel
Street,
as
my
spouse,
has
a
financial
relationship
with
the
owner
of
the
property.
A
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A
G
Discrepancies
in
the
survey
drawings
from
the
applicant
have
been
identified
and
whereas
revisions
to
the
requested
zoning
relief
are
now
required
and
whereas
the
applicant
has
requested
to
defer
the
item
to
the
January,
31st,
2022,
regular
meeting
of
planning
committee
planning
and
housing
committee
and
whereas
staff
support
this
request.
Therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
the
planning
and
housing
committee
approved
the
following
defer
the
report
to
the
January
31st
2022
meeting
of
the
planning
and
housing
committee
and
to
permit
staff
to
include
a
revised
staff
report
and
document
to
proposed
zoning.
A
I
know
we
have
the
applicants
here
signed
up
to
speak.
My
understanding
is
that
you
concur
with
the
the
motion.
So
do
you
need
to
speak
to
this
item
if
the
committee
is
prepared
to
carry
it?
Thank
you
so
they've
indicated
they
don't
is
the
deferral
motion
carried
carried?
Oh
I'm,
sorry,
Miss,
councilor,
low
counselor,
low
questions,
yeah.
I
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A
K
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A
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A
A
A
I
I
E
Mr
chair,
if
Mr
herwire
wishes
to
further
clarify
I'm
happy
to
let
him
do
so,
but
I
can
confirm
that
the
office
of
the
city
clerk
will
receive
will
release
the
agenda
on
the
preceding
business
day.
So
with
planning
committee
regularly
falling
on
Wednesdays
and
the
10
business
days
falling
on
a
Sunday,
it
would
be
Friday
afternoon
that
the
agenda
would
be
released.
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E
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A
A
M
M
The
property
is
shown
here
in
purple.
It
is
a
through
lot
between
Balsam
and
large
street
at
the
termination
of
both
of
these
streets.
It
is
located
immediately
north
of
Preston,
Hardware
and
east
of
the
Gladstone
Village
Development
lens
there's
also
low-rise
residential
buildings
located
north
and
east
of
the
site.
M
Okay,
so
any
typical
development
on
this
site
would
be
subject
to
the
above
policies
and
you'll
actually
noted.
My
report
provided
to
committee
that
I
reference
a
lot
of
policies
that
in
fact
discourage
a
parking
lot
use.
For
instance,
the
official
plan
envisions
a
downtown
core
that
is
not
Auto
dependent
and
encourages
us
to
progressively
reduce
the
prevalence
of
surface
parking
areas.
M
However,
it's
important
to
note
that
temporary
zoning
amendments
are
viewed
somewhat
differently
under
the
planning
act,
which
I
can
expand
on
a
little
bit.
A
temporary
rezoning
is
an
option
given
to
land
owners
and
municipalities
through
the
planning
act
and
it's
further
detailed
in
our
official
plan.
M
So
the
parking
spaces
and
drive
aisle
widths
will
be
zoning
compliant,
and
we
do
have
a
site
plan
to
support
that
when,
when
assessing
the
appropriateness
of
a
temporary
rezoning,
we
are
looking
to
ensure
that
the
proposal
does
not
conflict
with
long-term
objectives
that
is
understood
to
be
temporary
and
that
the
city
is
not
obligated
to
extend
the
use
and
that
there
is
a
future
plan
or
they
are
moving
towards
or
in
a
direction.
That
is
a
better
site
condition
next
slide
please.
M
M
M
M
M
So
it's
a
parking
lot
use
for
a
term
of
three
years
and
a
reduction
in
the
landscape
width
on
large
Street,
the
large
Street
Frontage
from
three
meters,
as
required
to
zero
meters
and
again
they
have
a
fence
along
that
perimeter
and
a
reduction
in
landscape
width
on
Balsam
from
three
meters
required
to
1.5
meters,
and
they
do
have
Landscaping
shown
on
the
site
plan
in
that
area,
and
that's
it.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
presentation
we
do
have
delegations,
it's
my
intention
to
stay
with
the
past
practice
of
asking
the
applicant
to
make
their
presentation
to
us,
and
then
committee
members
will
have
an
opportunity
to
pose
questions
of
the
applicants.
Then
we'll
hear
from
I
believe
we
have.
Public
delegation
is
Miss
Boucher
here,
okay,
so
we
may
or
may
not
have
a
public
delegation
with
the
opportunity
to
pose
questions
and
then
once
oh
she's
in
the
audience,
fantastic,
sorry
Catherine!
A
If
you
do
have
motions
that
you
intend
to
bring
over
the
course
of
this
debate,
please
try
to
provide
those
to
the
clerk
in
written
form
at
your
earliest
opportunity
to
ensure
that
things
move
smoothly.
So
with
that
Mr
Moser
and
your
clients,
I
would
ask
you
to
take
a
seat.
There
is
a
seat
that
is
reserved
for
public
delegations.
O
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Chair
excuse
me
good
morning
my
name
is
John
Moser
in
a
representing
Preston
Hardware.
Today,
with
respect
to
this
application,
Mr
Mario
gianetti,
the
president
of
Preston
Harvard,
is
with
me
to
speak
on
this
matter
as
well,
and
chair
will
keep
within
the
five
minutes
for
a
total
of
our
presentation.
O
We
are
both
here
to
support
the
staff
report
and
to
respectfully
request
that
committee
approve
its
recommendations
when
the
original
approvals
were
provided
in
2020
through
demolition
control
to
demolish
the
buildings.
On
the
subject
site,
there
were
two
small
residential
buildings
and
a
relatively
small
industrial
building.
Russell
Harwood
had
no
intention
to
use
the
property
for
parking.
O
The
end
goal
Remains
the
Same
to
redevelop
the
entire
site.
Whoever,
since
2020
the
world
has
changed,
president
Harbor
has
not
been
able,
nor
did
they
want
to
obtain
vacant.
Possession
of
the
properties
and
the
current
economic
situation
worldwide
has
really
been
not
conducive
to
undertake
the
project.
Today
in
the
fall
of
2022,
an
event
occurred
that
impacted
the
operations
of
Preston
Hardware.
They
had
to
vacate
nearby
staff
vehicle
parking
because
of
a
change
of
use
of
the
the
property
where
they
were
arcing.
O
O
Which
means
once
the
vehicles
are
in
the
lot
they
stay
until
the
end
of
the
the
shift
enter.
Some
exit,
as
was
mentioned,
is
off
Balsam
no
access
available
to
large,
which
is
by
primarily
a
residential
street
use
of
this
lot.
My
staff
also
means
that
vehicles
are
not
being
parked
on
adjacent
streets
within
the
neighborhood,
so
in
conclusion,
Al
Hardware
is
committed
to
the
Redevelopment
of
the
larger
site.
P
Good
morning,
everyone
thank
you
for
listening
to
us,
we've
been
in
on
Preston
Street
since
1945
and
and
we'd
like
to
stay
on
Preston
Street.
For
now
and
future
our
children
are
taking
over
the
G2
generation
of
our
business
and
due
to
covet
a
lot
of
things
have
happened
in
our
industry
and
therefore
some
of
the
plans
that
we
have
in
place.
We
just
have
to
slow
down
a
bit
because
I
said
just
as
a
report.
P
P
Just
that
covet
has
done
a
lot
of
negative
things
to
today's
businesses
on
a
plural
base,
and
we
got
caught
in
between
so
therefore
I'm
asking
to
just
give
us
this
temporary
parking
and
I
know
that
it
within
three
years
we'll
have
a
new
project
that
looks
much
better,
we'll
have
some
apartments,
medium
pricing
type
of
thing
and
without
some
underground
parking
to
alleviate
a
lot
of
the
pressure
that
we
have
in
our
area
right
now.
Thank
you.
A
A
Members
who
are
not
members
of
the
planning
committee
are
invited
at
any
time
to
come,
join
participate
as
if
they
were
members,
but
without
the
ability
to
vote,
and
it
is
my
intent
to
make
it
a
first
first
to
raise
your
hand
is
the
first
to
ask
the
question
practice,
dispensing
with
some
of
the
members
of
the
committee
get
to
ask
their
questions
first.
So
just
a
quick
opportunity
to
note
that
change
in
practice
and
Council
troster.
Q
Q
My
family
are
big
fans
of
your
store.
We
recognize
that
you're
a
really
important
business
in
our
neighborhood.
So
thank
you
for
joining
us
today.
I
do
have
some
concerns,
though.
Have
you
explored
other
potential
Parking
Solutions
for
your
staff?
There
is
a
city
lot,
that's
only
a
few
blocks
away
and
and
really
good
bus
access
to
that
location
too.
We.
P
Are
trying
right
now
we're
negotiating
with
the
San
Andreas
Banquet
Hall,
hopefully
that
double
come
across
in
the
next
few
months
after
after
the
winter
they've
told
us,
so
we
are
exploring.
We
have
some
of
our
members
park
at
the
satko
building
on
Preston
Street,
so
we
are
definitely
looking
at
other
ways
that
we
can
do
this.
Q
A
N
Thank
you,
Ed
chair
and
thank
you,
gentlemen,
for
your
presentation,
I'm
just
at
to
start
off
seeking
some
basic
information
just
to
make
sure
I
understand
everything
correctly.
So
my
understanding
is,
according
to
the
staff
report,
that
the
site
in
question
hosts
approximately
21
Vehicles.
Is
that
correct?
N
Yes?
Okay,
so
not
too
big
and-
and
it
has
currently
been
used
for
parking,
but
the
plan
is
that
you're
seeking
an
exemption
or
an
extension
up
to
three
years
and
I?
Take
it
it's
your
plan
to
find
and
secure
parking
for
employees
during
that
tenure,
and
there
will
be
a
plan
for
this
land
coming
to
planning
committee
at
some
point
to
use
the
land
for
something
other
than
parking.
Is
that
correct?
That's
correct,
okay,
all
right!
R
Yes,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
providing
some
of
those
answers.
I
had
a
couple
of
additional
questions,
so
what
it,
if
committee,
decides
to
not
approve
this
temporary
use?
What
is
the
next
step
for
you?
You
already
have
a
conceptual
design.
You
had
indicated
that,
and
it
is
very
clearly
that
the
pandemic
has
hit
our
businesses
very
hard,
and
it's
not
easy
to
find
money
to
do
some
projects
that
businesses
had
anticipated
they'd
be
able
to
undertake
previously.
So
taking
that
into
account.
P
P
R
P
R
So
that's
good
to
hear,
because
one
of
the
things
that
you
know
is
kind
of
a
difficulty
for
I,
think
committee
and
then
councils
is
that
we
desperately
need
housing.
We
need
affordable
housing,
but
we
need
housing
particularly
close
to
to
Transit
oriented
development
and
to
have
temporary
parking
even
four
or
three-year
term.
R
Is
it's
difficult
to
say
to
anyone,
businesses,
private
owners
that
that's
permissible
when
we
know
that
there's
opportunities
to
have
that
land
redeveloped,
so
I,
guess
what
I'm
trying
to
ask
is
the
three
years
it
might
seem
like
a
you
know,
a
small
period
of
time
or
might
seem
like
a
long
period
of
time.
Do
you
need
three
years?
P
Well,
it
took
us
almost
18
months
to
have
the
two
homes
people
vacated
and
US
tear
it
down.
So,
as
you
said,
you
know
we
do
need
housing
and
we
understand
that
and
we
are
whatever
we're
going
to
put
down
we're
going
to
put
up
more.
However,
this
the
issue
that
we
see
is
the
sum
of
our
tenants.
There
will
take
us
a
long
time
to
for
them
to
relocate,
okay,
okay.
This
is
why
I
messed
with
the
three
years.
C
Five
or
six
years
yeah
and
you
said,
you're
looking
at
other
options
in
terms
of
finding
parking
for
your
staff.
So
can
you
explain
some
of
those
other
options
and
and
what
you're,
what
you're
doing
to
to
secure
those
and
then,
if
those
options
are
secured,
if
you
find
a
viable
option,
would
you
then
look
to
develop
this
property
sooner.
P
C
P
Have
to
twick
make
sure
that
we
had
the
right
type
of
Apartments
between
low
pricing
and
some
high
right.
Now,
it's
just
a
conceptional.
It
fits
the
land
and
then
the
use
of
what
we
want
to
do
it.
It
just
all
depends
how
long
it'll
take
us
to
tear
down
the
homes,
and
you
know
vacate
the
existing
people.
P
J
You
thank
you
for
explaining
all
that
you're
explaining
here
today.
We
I
think
this
committee
will
struggle
with
the
fact
that,
not
that
long
ago
we
had
another
application,
similar
asking
for
a
temporary
parking
permit
and
the
situation
was
there
was
that
this
was
yet
again.
Another
extension-
and
you
know
the
challenge
that
the
group
had
that
wanted
to
build
something
there
was
that
they
didn't
couldn't
get
enough
money.
You
know
interest
rates,
covid
like
there
was
always
a
reason.
J
You
know
why
it
never
happened,
and
so
I
think
this
committee
and
I
can't
speak
for
everybody,
but
certainly
for
me
that
I
feel
like
I.
Don't
want
to
see
that
again,
you
know
we
don't
want
to
have
temporary
parking
lots,
so
we
say
yes
here
today.
I
think
people
want
to
guarantee
and
I
understand
it's
difficult
to
give
a
guarantee,
but
a
conceptual
drawing
doesn't
seem
far
enough
down
the
road.
J
You
know
I
think
if
there
were
more
Milestones
or
sort
of
you
know
by
this
date,
you'll
have
an
application
in
by
this
date.
Like
you
know,
I
don't
know
that
we
understand
you
have
a
contractor
to
build
that
building,
building
an
apartment
building
takes
a
long
time
and
right
now,
I'm
hearing
in
Canada
that
some
of
the
applications
we
approved
not
that
long
ago
are
now
on
hold
because
of
interest
rates
right.
J
So
Builders
are
saying
thanks
for
that
approval,
but
now
we're
not
even
going
to
build
so
I
wouldn't
want
to
see
that
happen
to
you.
You
know
and
and
I
want
you
to
know
that
we
care
about
affordable
housing.
We
also
care
about
small
businesses
and
we
we
are
happy
that
people
like
you
want
to
try
to
build
more
housing
and
have
plans
and
projects.
J
But
it's
hard
for
us
when
we
see
precedents
set
where
people
get
at
temporary
parking
permit
and
then
they
don't
do
anything
with
it
and
then
we're
always
in
the
position
where
we
have
to
extend
it.
So
I
guess
I'm
what
I'm
asking
for?
Is
there
any?
Maybe
in
this
motion
or
any
understanding
that
there
would
be
Milestones
that
would
have
to
be
met
for
it
to
be
approved
for
another
year
or
another
year?
Has
that
ever
been
done,
or
is
that
a
possibility,
or
do
you
even
see
that
being
possible
for
you.
P
J
P
J
Yeah
no
I
honestly
appreciate
the
challenge
here.
I,
don't
know
if
staff
have
any
thoughts
and
maybe
that
this
is
not
the
time
to
ask
that
ask
staff
a
question,
but
I
would
like
to
understand
how
many
you
know.
Sort
of
guarantees
could
be
put
around
this
to
make
sure
that
housing
is
built
there.
You
know.
A
Thank
you,
councilor
Curry
and
you
know,
certainly
it
is
within
our
purview
to
do
a
period
of
exemption
that
is
shorter
by
way
of
motion.
So
if
a
member
wanted
to
put
forward
a
motion
to
say
well,
consider
this
and
see
where
you
are
a
year
from
now,
you
know
come
back
to
us
and
and
seek
our
permission
if
you
need
to
go
longer
than
one
year
or
two
years,
so
that
would
be
a
a
possibility
for
this
committee
to
do
today.
A
S
S
S
Our
neighborhood
is
undergoing
rapid
growth
and
Redevelopment
as
it
should
be.
We
are
home
to
ottawa's
current
tallest
building
the
icon
at
45
stories
soon
to
be
outdone,
I'm
sure
our
Planning
Group
is
kept
very
busy
working
with
developers
and
City
staff.
They
make
ours
a
sustainable
and
welcoming
place
to
live.
S
S
S
The
agreement
clearly
stated
and
I'm,
quoting
again,
that
until
the
time
of
the
construction
of
the
first
replacement
building
other
than
where
the
sales
Center
and
any
Associated
parking
are
provided,
the
registered
owner
shall
landscape
the
property
and
provide
fencing
along
the
entire
perimeter
to
the
satisfaction
of
the
general
manager
of
planning.
The
registered
owner
shall
prohibit
the
use
of
the
property
for
other
interim
uses
and
maintain
the
property
in
accordance
with
Property
Standards
Bible.
S
This
was
the
condition
for
receiving
a
demolition
approval
for
two
residential
houses,
139
and
143
Balsam,
temporary
and
here
I'm,
quoting
air
quotes
because
the
temporariness
which
the
counselor
alluded
to,
has
plagued
the
downtown
it's
a
Scourge
and
has
been
a
scourge
of
the
downtown.
For
decades.
We
are
still
walking
around
the
downtown,
seeing
temporary
parking
lots
that
come
back
here
every
three
years
to
get
their
temporary
permit
renewed.
S
Using
this
extremely
valuable
land
for
surface
parking
goes
against
all
we
know
about
livable
cities.
This
site
could
not
be
better
served
by
transit.
Four
buses
go
by
within
a
30
second
to
three
minute:
walk!
That's
for
councilor
low,
the
2,
the
85,
the
14
and
the
11.
I
took
the
14
here
this
morning,
Preston
Hardware
abuts,
the
Corso
Italia
LRT
stop
on
the
Trillium
line.
S
It
will
be
right
at
the
bottom
of
the
building,
essentially
so
we're
looking
forward
to
the
Redevelopment
of
the
site,
we're
happy
to
see
a
mixed-use
residential
site
going
on
this
property,
and
we've
met
with
the
proponents
to
give
our
comments
already.
But
in
the
meantime
we
ask
that
you
refuse
this
application
and
we
thank
you
for
your
consideration
of
that
today.
Merci,.
A
A
F
Great,
thank
you
very
much.
Mr
chair
we've
gone
through
this
before
on
other
applications.
You
remember
the
church
situation
in
the
past,
I
guess.
My
question
is
and
I'll
listen
to
my
colleagues
discussion
debate
on
this
there's
opportunities
to
reduce
the
amount
of
time
from
three
years
to
two
to
one.
But
what
about
can
we
make
it?
So
it's
hard.
Whatever
timeline,
we
select
that
we
can
never
extend
past
it
legally.
L
F
L
F
G
M
G
M
Often
it's
because
you
know
we
haven't
reviewed
the
parking
configuration
that
would
occur
on
the
site.
As
I
said
in
my
presentation,
we
look
at
things
like
the
drive
aisle
with
their
appropriate,
as
well
as
that
the
parking
spaces
are
properly
dimensioned,
and
not
only
that
is
a.
You
know.
We'd
like
to
not
compromise
the
the
Future
Vision
for
that
that
site
or
area.
G
In
this
general
area,
this
Preston
Street
area,
I
think
Mike.
One
of
the
questions
about.
Could
this
end
up
being
a
long-term
parking
lot,
because
that's
not
what
we
want
I
think
sometimes
it's
reasonable
for
applicants
to
come
through
and
seek
a
temporary
exemption
and
in
exceptional
circumstances
my
concern
is
about
what
happens
when
this
becomes
a
long-term
parking
lot
right
now
in
the
Preston
Street
area.
Does
the
city
have
any
data
about
availability
of
parking
about
is?
Is
there
a
large
demand
for
parking?
That's
unmet
right
now,
I
guess
I'm.
M
Right,
we
do
have
a
unit
that
looks
at
area
parking
counts.
Unfortunately,
that's
not
something
that
I
explored
I
was
more
or
less
looking
at
the
applicants
need
for
parking,
and
it
is
you
know,
they've
been
struggling
for
parking
for
some
time,
so
I
trust
that
it
is
an
absolute
need
from
them
at
least.
G
G
G
G
Okay,
yeah,
probably
not
something
we
can
resolve
in
the
middle
of
committee,
but
it
is
something
I
want
to
look
at
with
planning
staff
and
perhaps
legal,
to
make
sure
we're
very
explicit
about
what
what
use
who
can
park
in
this
parking
lot,
depending
on
what
happens
in
the
rest
of
our
discussion
today.
Okay,
thank
you,
chair.
A
Q
Hi,
thank
you
very
much.
First
of
all,
I
would
just
like
to
point
out.
There
is
a
city
of
Ottawa
owned
parking
lot.
That's
about
three
blocks
away
on
Louisa
Street
with
abundant
parking.
It
would
not
be
free
for
staff,
but
should
they
choose
to
drive
there
is
there
is
a
large
lot
in
the
neighborhood?
K
R
That's
correct
Mr,
chair
and
Mr
chair
members
of
committee.
My
name
is
Christina
I'm
legal
counsel,
I
sit
a
staff
solicitor
for
a
selection
of
committees,
including
this
one,
when
Mr
Mark
is
unavailable
with
respect
to
the
demolition
agreement,
that
is
on
title,
there
are
enforcement
Provisions
within
that
agreement.
This
is
an
executed
agreement
that
outlines
the
obligations.
It
typically
goes
through.
Planning
staff,
as
Mr
Moody,
said,
to
determine
whether
or
not
compliance
has
occurred.
R
If
there
is
non-compliance
there
is
an
inspection
and
then
the
matter
moves
forward
and
it
can
move
forward
in
a
variety
of
ways,
but
ultimately
we
need
to
start
with
a
determination
of
compliance
or
non-compliance
under
this
present
agreement
and
see
what
the
obligations
were
at
the
time
and
where
we
are
today.
Okay,.
Q
M
Q
Okay,
well,
if
I
could
just
speak
to
this
I'll
say
that
I
had
an
opportunity
to
meet
the
folks
who
live
in
the
homes
on
the
streets
surrounding
the
hardware
store
this
summer
during
the
campaign
a
lot
of
these
homes,
the
ones
that
are
due
to
be
demolished
in
the
future.
They
they're
low-income
people
that
live
in
those
homes,
the
ones
that
I
met,
are
on
Ontario,
Works
or
disability
and
I'm
quite
sure
that
when
those
homes
are
demolished,
it
will
be
impossible
to
find
housing
of
that
size
in
that
central
location.
Q
At
that
price,
point
I
support
greater
density
in
the
neighborhood
I
I
am
a
big
fan
of
Preston
Hardware
as
a
local
business.
I'm
very
very
concerned
about
the
fact
that
homes
where
middle
and
low
income
people
live
in
the
neighborhood
were
demolished,
that
the
site
was
used
as
a
legal
surface
parking
for
three
years
and
I'm
concerned
about
grandfathering
and
not
a
legal
use.
I,
don't
think
it's
a
good
precedent
and,
as
my
colleagues
have
said
here
around
the
table,
we
need
housing
downtown.
We
need
it
quicker.
Q
I
I'm
also
very
concerned
that
you
know
slowly
as
the
other
homes
are
taken
down
and
construction
staging
begins.
Does
that
mean
that
we're
going
to
have
more
temporary
parking
just
one
lot
over?
It's
it's
sort
of
a
beast
that
that
is
hard
to
handle
and
as
Catherine
Boucher
from
the
Community
Association
said,
this
is
a
real
plague
in
downtown
Ottawa.
Q
So
I
would
encourage
committee
members
for
us
to
think
very
critically
about
this
surface
parking
is
contrary
to
the
city's
official
plan,
to
the
neighborhood
secondary
plan
and
to
The
Climate
emergency,
and
my
understanding
is
that
there
was
a
similar
application
in
River
Ward.
Perhaps
it
was
in
the
last
term
of
council
Council
of
Brockington.
You
can
speak
to
it
where
an
application
for
temporary
parking
use
was
denied
based
on
future
Rapid
Transit
coming
in
10
years.
Well,
of
course,
the
Italian
station
will
be
open
in
one
year,
one
year
to
18
months.
Q
There
is
really
good
bus
access
to
that
location
and,
as
I
said,
there's
a
city
lot,
just
three
blocks
away,
so
I
don't
think
the
city
should
be
in
the
business
of
providing
private
parking
to
businesses
to
employees
of
businesses
when
there
really
is
abundant
parking
nearby
and
our
goal
is
to
get
as
many
carts
off
the
road
as
possible.
So
with
all
due
respect
to
the
applicant,
whose
business
I
enormously
respect
I
have
some
serious
concerns.
Thank
you.
A
R
Foreign,
yes
Mr
chair,
there
is
a
provision
in
the
demolition
agreement
which
has
been
executed
by
the
owner
that
states
that
the
owner
acknowledges
and
agrees
that
a
replacement
building
or
building
shall
be
substantially
completed
within
five
years
from
the
date
of
this
approval
being
September,
14
2025.,
and
then
there
are
default
Provisions
that
involve
an
amount
to
be
collected
and
added
to
property
tax.
If
that
replacement
building
has
not
occurred
so
a
date,
a
date
has
been
indicated
within
the
demolition
agreement.
If
that
is
helpful,
Mr
chair
to
the
committee.
J
Super
helpful,
thank
you
for
that.
You
know
when
these
decisions
are
made
by
planning
staff.
Do
you
have
the
ability
to
put
something
in
to
that
saying
you
know
you
had
by
2025
to
get
a
building
up
here,
so
we
say
in
the
next
year.
You
need
to
have
a
site
plan
and
we'll
allow
this.
So
your
recommendation
here
is
three
years.
K
Chair
staff's
recommendation
are
based
on
review
of
the
policies
and
the
policy
framework
that
we
work
within.
You
know.
Ultimately,
you
know
the
three-year
recommendation.
That's
before
you
is,
you
know
it
is,
is
staff's
recommendation,
you
know
it
it's
we
don't
we
don't
make
recommendations,
typically
in
hope
that
Council
will
come
up
with
something
different.
J
K
We,
the
development
processes,
it
relies
on
a
lot
of
creativity
as
we
go
through
applications.
We
are
allowed
to
come
forward
with
a
variety
of
different
recommendations.
You
know
we
could
have
come
forward
with
a
refusal.
We
could
have
come
forward
with
the
three
years
as
we've
done
or
we
could
have
come
forward
with
any
range
of
time.
Between
that
you
know.
That's
that's
what
we're
allowed
to
do.
Mr
chair.
J
Okay,
I
mean
that's
something
we
will
debate
then,
but
I
mean
I
would
like
to
see
conditions,
but
you
know
we're
hearing
that
they
had
a
condition
to
build
a
building
by
2025
and
that
wasn't
Matt.
So
my
other
comment
would
be
what
would
be
and
we'll
see
what
you
have
to
say:
counselor
dudas.
But
what
would
be
the
follow-up
to
that?
R
I'm
also
next
in
line,
so
it's
perfect.
Yes,
no
I'm,
just
I've
been
listening
to
the
conversation,
and
you
know
knowing
that
the
station
is
opening
up
in
a
year,
also
recognizing
that
the
pressures
potentially
Financial
pressures
on
the
applicant
might
mean
that,
even
if
we
decline
this
application
for
an
extension,
they
kill.
They
probably
still
can't
build
shivels
in
the
ground
starting
tomorrow.
So
we're
then
left
with
a
property
that
is
derelict
for.
However,
it
takes
for
them
to
put
an
application
for
it
and
go
through
all
the
rigors
of
the
development
process.
R
It
is
therefore
be
resolved
that,
with
respect
to
report
document,
4
section
2c1
be
amended
as
follows:
non-accessory
parking
in
a
principal
used
parking
lot
is
limited
to
a
temporary
period
of
one
year,
beginning
on
the
date
of
passing
of
this
bylaw
and
therefore
it
be
further
resolved
that
there
be
no
further
notice
pursuant
to
section
3417
of
the
planning,
Act
and
I
wanted
to
stay
in
line
with
past
precedent.
This
is
wording
that
is
based
on
the
application
that
was
before
us
for
the
Archdiocese.
R
The
one
on
St
Patrick,
with
the
temporary
parking
and
I
thought
that
one
year
is
ample
time
to
find
parking,
adjacent
or
nearby
or
encourage
staff
to
take
transit
for
this
applicant.
But
it's
also
ample
enough
time
to
get
city
staff
to
work
with
them
closely
to
get
the
application
process
underway.
So
that
was
the
impetus
for
this
motion.
A
Thank
you
very
much
councilor
dudas,
so
that
amending
motion
is
is
on
the
floor.
I
I
like
it
as
an
opportunity
to
give
the
developer
the
applicant
an
opportunity
to
significantly
Advance
their
building
plans
on
a
shorter
timeline.
So
we
are
debating
the
amending
motion
now.
Councilor
Kavanaugh,
your
next
welcome
to
planning
and
housing
committee
and
I
assume
that
you'll
want
to
address
the
the
amending
motion.
L
T
U
T
On
it
so
and
it's
gonna
it's
it's
now,
no
not
needed
anymore,
because
they're
all
working
from
home,
but
but
that
that's
what
happened
so
I
don't
know
if
there
was
any
distinguishment,
but
also
given.
We
got
the
new
information
about
what
the
conditions
were
when
the
demolition
took
place
to
be
built
by
2025.
yeah.
How
does
how
does
that
work
when
it's
clear
that
that's
not
going
to
happen?
What
are
the
penalties?
What
does
it
mean
to
have
those
kind
of
dates.
T
A
L
N
Chair
my
suggestion
would
be
the
motion
be
further
amended
with
the
expectations
of
this
committee.
So,
if
you
don't
want
anything
other
than
employee
parking,
the
motion
should
state
that
the
emotion
does
not
State
what
our
expectations
are.
As
far
as
providing
a
a
development
plan
or
proposal
at
least
evidence
a
year
from
now
should
an
application
come
back
to
extend
what?
What
are
we
expecting
to
have
happened
in
the
last
year?
I
think
I
know.
Based
on
our
conversations.
N
We
would
like
to
see
forward
movement
or
progress
on
an
application
to
get
something
built
here,
but
that's
not
stated
and
I
think
those
expectations
need
to
be
crystal
clear.
I
I
also
want
to
say
that
we
have
to
differentiate
the
Notre
Dame
Basilica
application.
With
this
one,
the
church
has
had
a
temporary
parking
lot
on
site
for
31
years.
This
is
not
Notre
Dame.
These
are
two
different
files
that
this
committee
and
Council
has
wrestled
with
and
I.
N
Think
where
I
can
agree
with
my
colleague
from
Somerset
on
the
issue
is
the
the
the
specific
location
of
this
property.
It's
proximity
to
the
brand
new
Trillium
Line
Station.
That's
going
to
open
this
year
the
fact
that
we
have
policy
that
states
this
should
not
happen.
I
think
are
strong
arguments,
but
the
reason
why
I'm
going
to
support
the
staff
recommendation,
possibly
as
amended,
is
because,
because
it
is
temporary
in
nature
that
I
do
believe
the
owner
and
I
appreciate
the
owner
coming
here
today.
N
I
want
to
speak
directly
to
Mr
giannatti,
because
most
owners
do
not
come
and
present
themselves
before
the
committee.
They
hide
behind
their
their
Consultants.
So
I
want
to
provide
my
appreciation
in
that
regard,
and
I
do
believe
that
there's
something
going
to
be
provided
or
built
here
on
this
site.
So
it's
a
bit
of
a
balance
act
to
know
where
we
are
in
a
housing
and
harmlessness
emergency.
N
We
all
acknowledge
this
and
we
all
want
to
see
something
built
here
and
I
think
we're
frustrated
that
something
hasn't
happened
sooner
and
I
think
those
are
all
fair
comments,
but
I
do
believe
that
something
will
happen
here
and
I
do
believe.
The
owner
has
heard
from
the
committee
today
because
of
another
application
comes
forward
this
term
of
counsel.
You
have
to
face
the
same
people
and
we're
going
to
have
a
more
difficult
conversation
a
year,
two
years
three
years
from
now.
If
that
should
happen,
so
I'm
going
to
support
support
the
staff
recommendation.
N
I
will
support
an
amendment
because
I
do
think
that
will
help
get
this
file
moving
sooner
rather
than
later,
but
I
I
wanted
to
point
out.
This
is
not
the
same
as
the
Notre
Dame
file
they're,
two
completely
separate
files
and
I
hope
that
whatever
happens
here
today
is
really
the
best
outcome
possible.
We
give
the
owner
temporary
exemption
for
parking,
which
is
what
he's
asking
for,
or
perhaps
we
shorten
the
lifetime
of
that
exemption
for
the
hope
that
we
we
get
to
see
a
planning
file
come
before
the
planning
department.
Thanks
chair.
A
Q
Q
So
I
can
live
with
a
year.
I
I
do
trust
the
good
intentions
of
the
applicant
I
can't
support
anything
beyond
a
year
for
all
the
reasons
that
I've
stated,
and
we
do
believe
that
the
course
hoteli
station
will
be
up
and
running
within
a
year.
So
I
think
that
resolves
the
problem.
I'm
anxious
to
see
this
development
come
to
life.
It's
really
important
for
our
neighborhood
and
it's
also
adjacent
to
the
very
large
Gladstone
lands
development
that
will
be
happening
very
nearby.
Q
There'll
be
a
lot
of
really
interesting
homes
being
built
in
this
neighborhood,
so
I,
I'm,
very
comfortable
with
the
amendment
from
councilor
dudas
in
an
Ideal
World
I
would
like
to
see
our
expectation
than
a
site
plan
be
submitted
at
the
end
of
one
year
added
to
the
amendment.
If
my
colleagues
are
amenable
to
that
and
again,
the
goal
is
to
get
the
housing
built
and
to
develop
that
part
of
the
neighborhood,
because
it
is
its
valuable
land,
it's
an
important
community
and
we
really
need
those
homes.
Thank
you.
A
C
A
Q
A
My
my
suggestion
would
be
that
we
we
can't
force
them
to
submit
a
site
plan.
What
they
have
is
the
incentive,
since,
if
this
amendment
motion
passes,
they
have
to
come
back
to
us
in
a
year,
we'll
have
the
opportunity
to
determine
before
we
give
them
any
further
exemptions
to
have
a
you
know
a
conversation
about
have
they
submitted
the
sex
plan?
Are
they
making
progress
towards
towards
the
achievement
of
this,
because
they
will
need
a
continued
exemption?
A
L
Q
T
I
A
A
U
A
A
See
none,
let's
move
on
to.
Thank
you
very
much
Jacob.
There
are
no
questions
for
you.
Let's
move
on
to
the
next
delegation,
Mr
Woolsey
I
believe
Mr
Woolsey,
welcome
to
planet
and
housing
committee.
You
have
five
minutes
to
make
a
delegation
to
the
committee.
It
would
Point
members
of
the
committee
may
ask
you
questions
afterwards.
V
V
Firstly,
there
are
many
aspects
of
the
report
that
relate
to
evaluation
and
recommendations
by
City
staff
on
various
parameters.
After
reading
the
report
I
find
myself
having
to
call
into
question
how
diligent
the
efforts
in
these
recommendations
are.
For
me,
the
fact
that
they
do
not
accurately
describe
the
location
on
the
current
circumstances
raise
a
red
flag
that
the
city
has
not
performed
proper
due
diligence
in
this
matter.
V
Looking,
first
of
all
at
the
description
of
of
sites
surrounding
on
page
three,
it
reads
and
I
quote:
these
buildings
are
located
near
the
South
side
of
the
site,
while
open
space
exists
to
the
north.
This
clearly
is
not
true.
There
is
no
open
space
around
this
site
to
the
north
is
a
very
large
commercial
building
that
has
been
under
construction
for
more
than
a
year.
The
building
envelope
is
complete.
The
site
has
been
landscaped
and
paved
to
describe
this
building
as
open
space
shows
us.
V
The
authors
of
the
report
have
not
looked
at
or
considered
it
properly.
Furthermore,
in
describing
the
current
occupants,
it
says
that
the
building
that
building
one
excuse
me
includes
a
restaurant.
Actually,
according
to
the
website,
it's
a
Shisha
Lounge,
which
is
for
those
who,
like
me,
didn't
know
what
that
meant
is
a
type
of
hookah
lounge
and
from
what
I
can
see
tell
appears
to
be
illegal
in
the
city
of
Ottawa.
V
If
we
consider
the
area
defined
by
15-minute
walk
from
where
these
locations
we
quickly
see
that
this
is
in
the
extreme
corner
of
such
an
area,
the
land
to
the
southeast
of
Walkley
Road
is
open
land.
The
that
area
would
obviously
not
be
part
of
any
50.
Any
neighborhood
where
people
lived
or
worked
to
the
east
is
Sheffield
Road,
but
due
to
railway
Pat
rates
right
away
rights
of
way,
only
a
few
buildings
on
the
Sheffield
would
be
part
of
a
15-minute
neighborhood
for
measurement
purposes.
V
I've
used,
rather
than
being
arbitrary,
I've
used
Google
Maps
walking
times
to
find
what
would
be
the
limits
of
a
15
minute,
walk
and
discover
that
it
doesn't
even
include
all
of
the
Sheffield
Glen
neighborhood,
nor
does
it
even
capture
much
of
the
area
Southwest
of
Russell
Road.
In
other
words,
it
really
does
very
little
to
contribute
to
a
15-minute
neighborhood
if
the
city
was
to
create
50-minute
neighborhoods,
which
is
in
a
lot
of
a
goal.
I
I,
it's
a
neat
goal.
V
There
are
other
better,
more
accessible
nearby
vacant
locations.
There
are
already
zoned
for
retail
spaces,
not
to
mention
the
elville
shopping
center,
which
already
acts
as
a
central
hub
for
a
much
larger
15-minute
neighborhood.
Also,
this
zoning
application
is
perhaps
a
little
unusual
in
that
one
of
the
units
is
already
operating
as
a
retail
outlet.
So
we
can
look
at
their
experience
to
better
determine
if
this
zoning
change
would
encourage
or
enhance
15-minute
neighborhoods.
V
After
speaking
with
the
staff
at
the
florist
I
learned,
the
following:
Four
Points,
almost
all
of
their
sales
come
from
the
internet.
Most
of
their
sales
are
delivered.
They
have
very
few
quote:
walk-up,
unquote,
customers
and
fourth,
three,
virtually
all
of
the
walk-up
customers
actually
drive.
No
one
walks
to
that
location.
From
their
description.
We
can
consider
conclude
two
things
that
retail
in
this
location
is
not
contributing
to
retail
neighborhoods
and,
secondly,
that
the
Florida
store
is
operating
more
like
a
service
than
a
retail
operation.
V
C
W
V
Okay,
if
my
man
I'm
just
going
to
restart
that
that
last
sub
Point,
it's
just
a
sense,
the
floor
store
is
operating
more
like
a
service
than
a
retail
operation,
just
like
the
fasting
house,
Inc
it
located
at
2676,
Lancaster,
Road
and
in
the
same
zoning
area
as
these
two
buildings
current
here.
In
other
words,
it
looks
like
the
florist
operation
may
already
be
compliant
at
their
current
location.
V
The
rationale,
therefore,
that
is
proposed
for
this
zoning
change,
somehow
that
this
some
zoning
change,
somehow
furthers
the
goal
of
creating
15-minute
neighborhoods,
seems
very
unfounded
in
reality.
So,
finally,
I
must
indicate
that
I'm
opposed
to
this
change.
It
has
been
poorly
researched
and
very
poor
rationale
for
improving
the
area.
I
understand
that
the
building
owner
would
like
to
have
these
units
occupied,
but
to
change
the
zoning
simply
for
its
convenience
and
with
very
pure
poor.
Logical
support
does
not
seem
in
the
best
interest
of
the
city
nor
the
neighborhood
near
these
buildings.
Thank.
A
Q
D
D
So,
under
the
city's
owning
bylaw,
a
Canada
store
has
to
be
is
defined
as
a
retail
store.
We
do
have
also
a
use
called
cannabis
production
facility,
which
is
a
completely
separate
use.
I'm,
not
aware
of
any
special
studies
that
were
done,
but
under
zoning
it
is
a
retail
store.
I,
don't
know
if
Lily
would
have
additional
information
on
a
study
that
was
prepared
in
the
past.
E
D
E
W
Can
just
to
add
some
clarification
here:
cannabis
store
is
called
a
land
use
the
final
under
the
Zone,
the
the
appropriate,
the
only
definition
it's
a
retail
store.
So
the
fact
that
whether
the
applicant
is
adding
two
flower
shops
here
or
two
Cannabis
stores
here
are
the
same
saying
for
the
purview
of
the
learning
Bible
amendment
to
review.
Q
I
D
So
to
answer
your
question,
the
considerations
in
the
report
were
not
only
based
on
the
15-minute
neighborhoods,
so
the
policies
for
the
Mixed
industrial
designation.
They
do
permit
small
what
they
call
small
scale
service
commercial
uses
as
long
as
these
uses
are
located
within
well,
not
within,
but
along
the
edge
of
the
mixed
industrial
area.
In
this
case,
it
is
along
the
edge
and
it
has
also
be
a
budding
residential
neighborhoods,
and
in
this
case
it
is
a
budding
residential
neighborhoods
to
the
rear.
I
X
X
With
respect
to
the
comments
in
the
delegation
and
I
probably
should
have
asked
this
through
the
delegation
I
just
wanted
to
confirm
the
delegation
made
a
comment
about
not
being
a
restaurant
in
the
area.
Presently,
I
think
I
think
there
actually
is
a
I,
don't
think
it's
a
shisha
bar
I
think
it's
a
the
Garden
restaurant
but
I
just
wanted
to
confirm.
There
already
is
retail
in
the
building
that
it's
just
not
operating
legally.
Is
that
correct?
Could
we
just
clarify
that
point
so
I
fully
understand
the
application.
D
That
is
correct,
so
the
flower
store
is
a
retail
store
which
therefore,
the
stoning,
bylaw
Amendment
would
legalize
that
flower
store,
and
in
the
past
there
was
also
a
vape
store
that
is
currently
the
vacant
unit
where
the
cannabis
store
wants
to
be,
and
that
technically
would
have
been
in
the
past.
Also,
no,
not
not
legal.
X
A
T
F
G
A
That
item
carries
so
with
that
I
believe
now
we're
done
with
the
substantive
agenda
in
camera
items
or
no
in
camera
items
for
this
meeting
information
previously
distributed.
There
is
an
item
placed
on
the
agenda
that
you've
all
seen
the
question
of
Parkland
balances
feel
free
to
reach
out
to
staff.
If
you
have
any
questions
with
respect
to
those,
my
understanding
is,
there
are
no
notices
of
motion
today
see
none.
Do
we
have
any
inquiries
today,
I
see
none
other
business,
we
have
no
other
business
none's
been
received.