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Date: Wednesday, June 21, 2023
Time: 9:30 am
Location: Champlain Room, 110 Laurier Avenue West, and by electronic participation
A
C
D
E
A
Thank
you
very
much,
so
this
is
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
proposed
comprehensive
official
plan
and
Zoning
bylaw
amendments
listed
as
items
4.2
and
4.4
to
4.8
on
today's
agenda.
For
the
items
just
mentioned,
only
those
who
make
oral
submissions
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendments
are
adopted.
May
appeal,
the
matter
to
the
Ontario
land
tribunal.
In
addition,
the
applicant
May
appeal
the
matter
to
the
Ontario
land
tribunal.
A
If
Council
does
not
adopt
an
amendment
within
90
days
of
receipt
of
the
application
for
a
zoning,
bylaw,
Amendment
and
120
days
for
an
official
plan
amendment
to
submit
written
comments
to
these
amendments
prior
to
their
consideration
by
City
Council
on
June,
28
2023,
please
email
or
call
the
committee
coordinator,
Declarations
of
Interest
I,
believe
councilor
Johnson
has
Declarations
of
interest
to
make.
Thank
you.
I
do
so.
F
Right,
counselor,
Lane
Johnson
declare
a
potential
deemed
indirect
pecuniary
interest
on
the
following
items
on
the
planning
and
housing
committee
agenda
of
June,
21st,
2023
item
4.1,
233,
Argyle
and
330
McLeod
Street
item
4.2,
33,
Argyle
and
330
McLeod,
Street
and
item
4.5,
15
and
17
desoblas
Avenue,
as
my
spouse,
has
a
financial
relationship
with
the
owners
of
the
properties.
Thank.
A
A
Okay,
so
running
through
the
agenda,
we'll
see
what
can
pass
so
item
4.1
applications
to
ultra
233,
Argyle
and
330
McLeod
properties
designated
under
part
5
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
act.
We
have
a
related
item,
4.2
the
zoning
bylaw
Amendment
for
the
same
addresses.
There
is
a
presentation
ready
if
we
need
one.
However,
there
are
no
delegations
on
this
item.
A
A
Item
4.4
zoning
bylaw
Amendment
part
of
3265
jockville
Road
in
barhaven
West.
We
don't
have
any
delegations
on
that.
There
is
a
presentation
available
if
one
is
required.
Is
anyone
interested
in
holding
that
item
I
don't
see
so
the
applicants
are
represented
today
by
Paul
black
of
Oten
and
Carl
Fernie
at
Minto,
all
and
Carl.
If
the
committee
is
prepared
to
carry
this
item,
did
you
still
wish
to
speak.
A
A
A
A
A
E
A
J
A
A
H
Thank
you
so
much
so
I
just
want
to
State
up
front
I.
Don't
have
a
strong
objection
to
the
application.
I
appreciate
that
the
comments
provided
by
many
community
members
over
the
process,
including
the
center
to
town,
Community,
Association,
Heritage,
Ottawa
I,
think
the
project
has
been
improved
through
addressing
Community
concerns.
So
I
wanted
to
thank
you
for
that,
but,
as
with
any
project
of
this
nature,
I
think
the
lack
of
two-bedroom
units
is
a
real
detriment
to
the
area
is
creating
more
of
the
type
of
housing.
H
You
will
hear
me
talk
about
all
the
time
at
planning
committee,
smaller
one
bedroom
or
Bachelor
units
I
just
could
stop
speak
to
how
many
applications
are
currently
on
the
books
from
Smart
Living.
Do
you
have
any
sense,
because
we
have
two
applications
at
this
committee
meeting
and
and
I'm
seeing
a
lot
of
them
in
reward
Mr.
K
H
I'm
just
curious
about
how
it
compares
to
other
developers
in
the
city,
because
we're
seeing
we're
seeing
a
lot
from
this
company
I
was
wondering
if
the
applicant
can
speak
to
how
you're
able
to
scale
up
so
quickly.
Given
the
reasons
the
industry
often
cites
as
this
behind
as
the
slow
pace
of
construction,
because
you
really
do
have
a
lot
of
projects
going
on
in
the
ward
and
in
the
in
the
city.
L
I'm
not
sure
we
do
have
a
representatives
from
Smart
Living
specifically
and
they
were
joining
online,
so
I'm,
not
sure.
Okay,
there
that's
fine,
jumping
on
or
not,
but
I
can
say
as
the
Consultants
we
we
get
the
approvals
and
then
when
they
decide
to
to
build,
is
is
up
up
to
them
and
there's
a
lot
of
specifically
in
the
downtown
in
the
areas
that
are
tight
like
this,
like
construction,
does
require
a
lot
of
consideration
for
shoring
and
in
tight
spaces
and
there's
a
lot
of
approvals
that
have
to
sort
of
happen.
L
H
Might
not
also
not
know
the
answer
to
this
question.
I
can
follow
up
with
the
developer
after,
but
do
you
know
if
Smart
Living
is
still
funding
through
the
rental
construction
financing
initiative,
the
co-investment
fund
or
any
other
Federal
funding
stream
designed
to
increase
housing,
affordability.
L
H
H
Okay,
the
only
reason
I'm
asking
these
questions
is
just
to
point
out
that
Smart
Living
was
recently
financed
by
by
global
investment,
firm
they're,
a
big
financialized
housing
provider,
and
they
have
a
lot
of
developments
in
the
world
and
overwhelmingly
what
we're
seeing
is
they're
fully
furnished
they're,
expensive,
they're,
small
and
they're,
designed
for
a
very
specific
kind
of
tenant
and
again
I.
Don't
have
a
specific
problem
with
this
project.
It's
not
displacing
anyone.
H
There
are
other
projects
in
my
neighborhood
where
they're
certainly
displacing
people
and
replacing
much
more
affordable,
larger
homes
with
tiny,
much
more
expensive
homes.
So
that's
simply
the
point
I
wanted
to
make
just
to
have
that
on
record,
but
I
don't
have
a
problem
with
this
particular
project
and
I
think
you
and
they
have
done
a
really
nice
job
with
the
conversion.
So
thank
you
very
much.
A
H
A
Are
there
any
other
questions
for
members
of
the
oh
I
would
have
both
the
staff
and
applicants
seen
none
and
I
just
want
to
confirm
as
well.
Counselor
Johnson
did
turn
off
her
camera
before
this
item
started
as
she's
conflicted,
so
she
has
not
been
participating
in
this
debate.
Is
that
item
carried?
A
Okay,
the
next
held
item
is
for
15
and
17.
Does
disobey
Avenue
and
I
would
ask
that
the
planners
provide
us
with
a
presentation
on
what
is
being
proposed,
at
which
point
we
will
turn
to
questions
or
we'll
give
the
opportunity
to
the
applicants
to
make
a
presentation
of
their
own
and
again
I
would
ask
the
applicants
just
to
focus
on
items
that
haven't
been
covered
by
our
staff?
At
which
point
we
will?
A
M
Get
started
without
video
for
now
and
hopefully
be
able
to
you'll
be
able
to
see
my
face
shortly,
so
my
name
is
John
Bernier
I'm,
with
the
planning
real
estate
and
Economic
Development,
Department
and
I
have
before.
Here
you
hear
a
zoning
bylaw
Amendment
and
I
will
say
that
there's
an
Associated
site
plan,
application
for
15
and
17
basoblats.
M
M
M
M
So
in
terms
of
zoning,
the
property
is
split:
zoned,
as
r4ud
with
exception
and
holding
symbol
and
r5b
with
exception
and
a
holding
symbol
as
well.
The
site
is
split
zoned,
which
is
basically
reflective
of
the
Old
Ottawa
East
Secondary
plan,
following
the
height
schedule,
to
ensure
proper
transition
to
the
properties
to
the
north.
So
they
are
far.
Our
four
portion
permits
a
low-rise
apartment
building
the
R5
portion
permits
a
mid-rise
apartment
building
with
a
maximum
height
of
six
stories.
M
To
the
closest
fitting
zoning,
which
is
r5b
with
exception
and
a
schedule
to
regulate
height
setbacks,
step
backs
and
the
schedule
will
recognize
all
setbacks
of
the
existing
structure,
which
is
shown
as
area
C
in
the
graphic
it
will
introduce
the
building
Edition
shown
as
area
B
and
under
area.
A
the
heights
of
the
entire
building
is
a
maximum
of
15
meters,
which
equates
to
a
four-story
low-rise
structure
area.
A
is
meant
to
demonstrate
the
permitted
location
of
the
proposed
enclosed
amenity
space.
M
The
intention
is
to
allow
the
amenity
space
to
project
to
a
maximum
of
4.5
meters
above
the
fourth
floor,
to
a
maximum
floor
area
of
350
square
meters
and
the
setbacks
insurer
or
sorry.
The
step
backs
of
this
structure
ensure
that
the
rooftop
structure
is
in
set
to
reduce
the
impression
of
a
larger
building
from
the
street
and
to
provide
approximately
eight
meters
of
Separation
to
the
Western
lot
line
and
I'd
say
about
10
to
11
meters
of
separation
between
the
existing
building
and
this
structure
on
the
roof.
M
Next
slide:
please:
okay,
sorry,
one
back!
Actually,
there
you
go
so
this
site-specific
exception
includes
relief
from
the
required
resident
parking
for
reference.
The
proposed
building
with
284
units
in
its
current
iteration
would
require
136
parking
spaces
and
the
request
is
for
zero
resident
parking
spaces.
M
So
the
site
is
designated
as
neighborhood
low-rise
and
neighborhood
mid-rise
within
the
Old
Ottawa
East
Secondary
plan
policy
area.
Three,
this
policy
encourages
a
variety
of
residential
buildings,
types
and
tenures.
Complementary
building
and
landscape
design,
with
an
emphasis
on
appropriate
transition
to
the
low-rise
residential
neighborhoods
to
the
north,
is
located
within
the
urban
transect
policy
area.
The
official
plan,
which
encourages
a
more
urban
mid
to
high
density
style
development.
M
It
is
also
within
the
evolving
neighborhood
overlay,
which
supports
low-rise
intensification,
with
a
focus
on
supporting
a
15-minute
neighborhood
I've
also
included
reference
to
an
important
section
of
the
official
plan
that
seeks
to
encourage
the
shift
to
a
more
sustainable,
an
active
mode
of
transportation,
and
this
formed
a
crucial
part
of
the
recommendations
for
the
reduction
parking
on
site.
So
in
essence,
the
policy
within
this
section
states
that
we
shall
support
active
modes
through
reductions
and,
in
some
cases,
outright.
M
M
The
proposal
is
for
the
Adaptive
reuse
of
the
former
Convent
building
in
a
four-story
Edition
on
the
northwest
corner
of
the
property
to
allow
for
a
284
unit,
low-rise
rental
apartment
building,
the
building
would
include
a
variety
of
Studio
one
two
and
three
bedroom
units
and
I'll
say
that
there's
a
total
of
57,
2
and
above
bedroom
units
in
this.
In
this
plan,
in
terms
of
amenity
space,
there
are
a
variety
of
at
grade
amenity
areas,
including
the
courtyard
to
the
northwest
and
a
rooftop
Terrace,
and
an
enclosed
rooftop
amenity
structure.
M
There
is
a
Surface
parking
lot
accessed
from
Springhurst
Avenue
to
the
north.
This
is
a
slight
expansion
of
the
existing
parking
lot
and
will
include
27
visitor
parking
spaces,
which
is
a
minimum
requirement.
Under
the
present
zoning
bylaw,
the
desoblots
frontage
will
be
greatly
improved
through
the
proposed
development.
The
latest
iteration
of
the
plan
includes
a
continuous,
concrete
sidewalk
at
grade
bicycle
parking
spaces,
two
dedicated
car
share
spaces
and
a
large
amount
of
landscape
improvements
such
as
15,
trees
and,
and
you
know,
numerous
shrubs
plantings.
M
So
there's
a
mid-block
connection,
also
located
along
the
western
property
line,
something
that
the
community
was
asking
for
and
is
being
provided,
and
a
public
park
will
be
secured
through
the
following
site
plan
approval,
the
design
of
which
will
be
subject
to
further
public
participation
next
slide,
please
so
here's
a
view
of
the
building
Edition
from
the
Springhurst
side,
looking
South
Southeast,
and
it
offers
a
good
view
of
the
mid-block
connection
that
I
was
just
discussing
to
the
right
in
this
image.
That
would
lead
you
to
desoblats.
M
M
So
the
applicant
and
ownership
team
has
agreed
to
a
comprehensive
Transportation
demand
management
strategy
meant
to
encourage
alternative
modes
of
travel,
and
this
is
to
offset
the
pressures
that
would
be
caused
by
you
know
not
providing
any
parking.
These
measures
include
bike
parking
rate
that
exceeds
the
number
of
bedrooms
at
1.3
units
or
spaces
per
unit.
A
J
L
All
right
so
good
morning
and
through
you,
chair,
Photon
and
the
applicant
team,
who
are
with
me
today,
though,
should
be
popping
up
on
the
screen,
want
to
thank
City
staff
and
the
counselor's
office
and
the
community
for
their
input
and
the
many
meetings
we
had
with
iterations
of
this
plan,
what's
presented
by
John
as
a
result
of
great
Dialogue
on
the
Adaptive
reuse.
In
addition
to
the
convent
at
15
and
17
days,
oblatz
Avenue
next
slide,
please.
L
L
It's
designated
neighborhood
in
the
official
plan
and
further
refined
in
the
policy
of
the
old
ottawae
secondary
plan
which
designate
these
lands
as
residential
low
rise,
which
is
fronting
Springhurst
and
residential
medium
rise
on
fronting
oblats.
These
designations
permit
Heights
up
to
four
stories
on
Springhurst
and
six
stories
on
desoblatz.
The
current
zoning
aligns
with
the
secondary
plans
designations,
so
the
Amendments
being
requested.
Oh
sorry,
next
slide
the
Amendments
being
requested
will
facilitate
the
ReUse
of
the
existing
Convent
and
accommodate
a
new
addition
along
adding
approximately
284
all-inclusive
apartment
rental
units
of
varying
sizes.
L
The
team
is
still
working
with
the
city
on
finalizing
the
site
plan
details.
However,
we
do
want
to
point
out
that
the
new
park
will
be
the
home
of
the
relocated
Blessed
Virgin
statue,
as
well
as
the
publicly
accessible
mid-block
pathway
connection,
is
provided
through
the
providing
porosity
through
the
site.
So
that's
shown
by
that
red
dashed
line
along
the
the
western
side
of
the
property
next
slide.
L
L
The
proposed
building
setbacks
consider
the
existing
setbacks
of
the
Covenant
and
the
addition
aligns
with
the
current
requirements
of
the
r4ud
Zone,
which
is
what's
in
place
today,
where
a
side
yard
is
supposed
to
be
1.5
meters.
This
the
addition
is
set
back
four
meters,
the
area
shown
in
Orange,
which
John
alluded
to
is
a
rooftop
enclosed
space.
That's
made
of
mechanical
needs,
along
with
other
amenity
space,
other
amenity
space,
to
complement
the
outdoor
rooftop
element
such
as
a
bathroom.
L
It
was
designed
considering
the
existing
building
to
the
west
and
will
not
look
any
different
than
a
mechanical
Penthouse
wood,
which
is
a
permitted
use.
There
are
no
windows
on
that
west
side
and
the
placement
also
offers
a
buffer
to
the
more
active
outdoor,
rooftop
amenity
space
running
parallel
to
Springhurst
next
slide.
L
John
did
go
through
this.
These
are
the
the
parking
TDM
measures,
so
I
visualized
it
a
little
bit
on
this
screen,
but
as
as
indicated,
we
are
looking
for
a
reduction
of
no
Vis
no
resident
spaces.
However,
we
are
meeting
the
visitor
requirement.
We
did
look
at
providing
underground
parking.
However,
in
addition
to
cost
it
also
would
have
a
reduced
footprint
as
it
could
not
be
provided
under
the
existing
Covenant
and
with
the
Parkland.
L
So
we
decided
to
just
eliminate
that
opportunity
from
the
beginning,
so
people
moving
in
know
that
they
will
never
be
able
to
park
on
site
and
that
a
notice
on
title
and
in
their
leases
would
indicate
that
street
parking
is
not
a
viable
option.
So
the
comprehensive
demand
management
strategies
that
John
has
gone
through
are
now
visualized,
so
the
parking
rate
is
exceeding.
The
total
number
of
bed
total
exceeds
the
total
number
of
bedrooms
proposed
on
the
site
so
opposed
to
unit
we're
doing
it
by
bedroom
so
that
equals
1.3
per
unit.
L
L
So
those
are
being
done
to
offset
the
demand
so
to
Ops
to
encourage
people
to
to
use
those
alternative
measures
that
exist
in
the
in
close
proximity
to
this
site,
if
not
on
the
site.
So
last
site
slide
please
so,
hopefully
we
have
demonstrated
that
this
adapted
Convent
and
new
addition
aligns,
with
the
policy
of
the
official
plan,
creating
a
pedestrian
friendly
environment
with
reduced
parking
to
encourage
residents
to
utilize
the
more
sustainable
forms
of
transportation
that
exists.
The
development
will
add
density
to
an
exist.
L
Diversity
to
an
existing
unit
mix
encouraged
you
to
be
to
an
already
viable
example,
setting
15-minute
community
of
Old
Ottawa
East.
So
with
that
I'm
going
to
thank
you
for
your
time
and
we
welcome
any
questions.
We
are
joined
by
The
Architects
Woodman
architecture.
We've
got
representatives
from
the
Smart
Living
and
Forum.
It's
a
joint
partnership
for
this
project,
as
well
as
cghr
Transportation
Consultants
on
this
file.
Thank
you.
N
Thank
you,
Mr
chair
I
overall
I,
like
this
I,
read
all
the
comments
from
the
community
that
happy
about
the
parking
situation
predominantly,
but
you
know
you're
right
in
between
Ottawa
U
and
St
Paul,
there's
only
one
really
close
little
elementary
school
I
guess.
My
question
is:
will
these
units
not
be
geared
towards
University
students
or
a
particular
type
of
person?
N
L
Three
young
professionals
it
could
be
in
could
also
be
a
group
of
older
people
that
potentially
want
to
live
together.
Family.
We
don't
know
like
it's
not
designed
specifically
for
any
use.
The
the
amenity
spaces
are,
you
know,
there's
a
gym,
there's
a
rooftop
amenity,
so
it's
it's
not
specifically
designed
for
one
group,
but
we
do
anticipate
it's
probably
a
young
professional
person.
That's
in
this,
whether
they're,
you
know
nurses
or
doctors
from
the
hospitals
who
are
you
know,
shift
workers
who
don't
necessarily
need
a
bigger
living
space.
I
Thank
you
Lisa,
my
name
is
primolad
I'm
here
on
behalf
of
forum
SLP,
just
to
add
to
what
Lisa
had
mentioned,
we're
not
limiting
this
to
any
particular
demographic
or
whatnot.
This
is
available
for
anyone.
We
provide
a
variety
of
unit
types
to
facilitate
our
unit
types
A
number
of
bedrooms
to
facilitate.
N
Okay,
thank
you
for
that
Mr
chair,
one
of
the
committee
meetings
a
few
weeks
ago,
I
learned
that
that
requirement
for
three
bedrooms
is
not
necessary.
It's
not
out
in
Canada,
because
we
have
so
many
other
options
for
three
bedrooms
so
because
people
in
Canada
are
often
asking
for
apartment
units
but
three
bedrooms,
and
they
all
are
one
and
two.
But
this
has
three
is
this,
because
there
is
a
requirement
for
three
bedroom
units
and
if
that
requirement
weren't
there,
we
wouldn't
necessarily
have
three
bedrooms.
M
N
K
Sure
I
think
once
counselor
is
referring
to
is
a
discussion
at
a
previous
planning
committee,
where
we
were
talking
about
Iris
developments
in
a
different
designation
of
where
there's
a
policy
Direction
encouraging
three
or
more
bedrooms,
five
percent
or
ten
percent,
depending
on
the
development
which
has
not
been
part
of
our
implementing
zoning
bylaw
to
date,
so
I
think
you're
thinking
of
a
different
context
which
doesn't
apply
to
this
site.
But
this
zoning
does
have
a
requirement
to
look
at
two
or
more
bedrooms
for
this
unit.
N
A
Thank
you
very
much
Council
Curry
and
I'll
just
issue
my
my
own
caution
through
the
course
of
this
debate
that
you
know
we
speaking
the
official
plan
about
a
diversity
of
housing
types.
Every
neighborhood
should
be
served
by
all
kinds
of
different
housing
and
I'll.
Just
warn
the
Committee
Against
veering
into
a
discussion
of
people's
own,
not
that
you
did,
but
we
do
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
shying
away
from
that
councilor
Brockington
thanks.
O
L
O
L
L
I
I'm
not
sure
I'm,
not
sure
if
they've
done
that
performa
but
I
can
I,
it
would
be
a
lot
of
layers
just
because
of
the
footprint
itself.
It
wouldn't
just
be
one
surface
lawyer,
you'd
be
going
deeper
and
with
the
river
being
there
I'm,
assuming
that
there
might
be
some
issues
with
the
depth
that
you
can
actually
go.
O
How
are
these
cost
savings
being
reflected
in
the
rents
that
you're
going
to
be
charging
here
in
this
location?
You've,
you've
acknowledged
none
will
be
affordable
units.
So,
if
there's
a
request
not
to
provide
any
parking.
What's
the
compromise
offset
for
the
community
for
the
residents
who
are
going
to
live
here.
I
Absolutely
female
lab
in
Forum
here
again
just
want
to
add
to
the
fact
that,
even
though
you
know
underground
Park
is
not
being
provided.
The
alternative
to
this
that
we're
introducing
here
is
geothermal,
we're
going
to
be
introducing
ESU
measures
for
geothermal
on
site,
which
also
impacts
the
ability
to
to
have
any
underground
parking.
I
O
Okay,
fair
enough,
and
can
you
just
clarify
I
appreciate
the
report
and
I
heard
again
clarified
this
morning?
That
leases
will
indicate
that
parking
is
not
provided.
What
exactly
and
again
I
don't
put
you
on
the
spot.
But
what
is
that
exactly?
Will
that
say
in
the
lease
we'll
specifically
just
say
that
that
your
unit
does
not
come
with
parking.
K
Chair
I
can
elaborate
on
that.
It's
part
of
a
site
plan
agreement,
so
we
have
a
condition
that
will
require
a
notice
on
title
and
it
goes
into
a
municipal
consent
agreement
that
the
owner
will
sign
acknowledging
that
every
time
they
lease
a
unit
there'll
be
a
clause
in
that
lease
notifying
a
potential
tenant
that
the
development
does
not
come
with
parking.
So
there's
a
warning
right
there
in
your
lease
before
you
sign
it:
okay,
fair
enough!
Okay,
thank
you.
A
A
That's
correct,
chair,
so
I
think
that's
new
I
haven't
seen
that
in
any
of
the
applications
before
us
I'm
wondering
if
you
can
send
the
committee
the
wording
that
the
site
plan
is
going
to
require
be
included
in
the
lease
just.
So
we
have
a
chance
to
see
that
obviously
no
huge
rush,
but
at
some
point
in
the
next
few
days,
that
would
be
great
before
Council
apologies,
councilman.
P
Those
things
are
are
always
a
topic
of
discussion,
but
something
that
I
think
the
TDM
measures
here
have
really
accounted
for
and
I.
Don't
think.
We've
seen
an
application
like
this
before,
where
those
TDM
measures
are
put
in
place
to
such
a
a
vociferous
type
of
way.
So
I
appreciate
that
work
from
the
applicant
on
that
side.
I
did
want
to
ask
about
the
car
share
so
on
the
site.
L
P
Thank
you
for
that.
The
there
is
going
to
be
a
pre-loaded
Presto
card.
It
says
for
the
first
occupants.
I
just
wanted
to
get
clarity
on
that.
So
so
is
it
all
new
residents
that
would
move
in
it?
Would
it
be
if
there's
a
move
out
and
the
new
resident
moves
in
again
after
that
move
out?
Would
they
also
have
a
pre-loaded
Presto
card?
I
just
wanted
to
get
some
clarity
on
how
that
all
worked.
P
Okay,
I
guess
I
I
would
just
give
direction
that
we
should
be
working
on
that,
for
you
know
new
residents
that
might
come
in,
but
then
also,
if
there's
a
move
out
and
other
residents
move
in
there.
Obviously,
if
you're
wanting
to
keep
this
this
level
of
modal
share
up,
then
that's
a
very
helpful
item,
so
I
would
just
hope
to
direct
staff
to
continue
working
with
you
on
that
aspect.
P
As
the
Billet
happens,
I
think
that's
an
important
piece
as
we
proceed
with
site
plan
and
other
areas
with
this
with
this
site
to
keep
that
up,
because
this
there'll
be
change
over
here
right.
It's
it's
not
just
going
to
be
people
living
there
in
perpetuity,
there's
going
to
be
a
lot
of
shifts,
there's
a
lot
of
furnished
units,
and
so
there
will
be
certainly
big
student
population.
P
So
probably
we'll
see
a
lot
of
move-ins
move
outs,
and
so
that's
going
to
be
an
important
piece
that
for
those
move-ins
we
continue
that
that
aspect
and
so
I
just
I,
would
just
ask
that
you
continue
working
on
on
that
piece.
We
did
talk
a
lot
lot
about
affordability
here
too,
and
of
course,
adding
units
you
know,
does
some
minor
amount
for
affordability,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
without
actual
purpose-built,
affordable
housing?
I
P
Thank
you
so
much
for
that.
I'll
have
other
just
questions
or
comments.
First
staff,
but
I
did
want
to
say
you
know
thank
you
for
the
work
with
the
community
that
I
know.
This
is
not
an
easy
file.
I
know,
there's
been
a
couple
of
different
consultations
on
this.
We've
helped
one
there's
been
a
city
issued
one.
We've
worked
a
lot
on
this
and
it
is
a
new
thing
for
the
city
to
with
mandatory
minimum
parking
limits
and
I.
P
Think
a
lot
of
this
is
recognizing
that
without
the
mandatory
minimum
parking
there
or
if
you
have
mandatory
minimum
parking,
you
you
are
inviting
more
cars
into
the
neighborhood
and
so
I
try
to
make
that
discussion
Point,
knowing
that,
if
you've
got
a
lot
of
parking
there
you're
going
to
see
a
lot
of
cars
in
and
out.
If,
if
you
don't
have
a
lot
of
parking
there,
then
people
make
different
choices
when
they
live
there.
Not
all
of
them
will
certainly
just
bike
and
walk
and
take
transit.
P
Some
people
will
have
cars
that
live
here,
and
it's
the
mitigation
of
that
that
is
important
here.
So
I
appreciate
get
the
TDM
measures
and
staffs
work
with
you
directly
on
that,
and
you
know
the
work
with
with
our
office
and
looking
forward
to
hearing
the
delegations
on
this
too.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Chair.
Q
H
Thank
you,
so
much
I
was
just
wondering
if
you
could.
Let
us
know
what
you
anticipate
the
target
rent
to
be
for
apartments
of
various
sizes,
given
that
this
is
I've
heard.
Smart
Living
refer
to
this
as
a
product.
This
is
a
fully
furnished,
as
you
said,
right
down
to
plates
and
Cutlery
I
I
just
want
to
get
a
sense
of
what
the
anticipated
rents
will.
L
I
C
H
Okay,
but
can
you
give
me
an
estimate,
because
when
we
talk
about
Market,
rent
plus
everything
else,
you're
offering
and
we're
talking
three
bedroom
like?
Are
we
talking
four
thousand
five
thousand
like
if
you
had
to
Ballpark
it
I'm
curious
about
I'm,
curious,
first
of
all
about
what
you
would
charge
for
some
of
these
larger
homes
and
also
who
might
be
interested
in
a
fully
furnished,
larger
home
right
down
to
plates
and
Cutlery.
I
I
threw
you
chair
a
lot.
The
opportunity
by
having
providing
fully
furnished
home
was
kind
of
like
a
One-Stop
shop,
where
people
have
the
ability
to
move,
have
it
in
move-in
ready
places
rather
than
having
to
seek
furniture,
and
all
these
various
items
that
a
new
home
would
need
in
terms
of
in
terms
of
what
the
rents
would
be
I
would
have
to.
I
would
have
to
look
into
it
further
and
get
back
to
you
on
that.
I
I
I
I,
unfortunately,
can't
speak
on
behalf
of
the
tenure
of
how
long
solid
wood
status
at
a
at
a
at
a
at
this
within
this
unit.
However,
the
intent
is
that
these
are
not
month-to-month
leases
that
we're
proposing
on
the
site.
These
are.
These
are
leases
that
people
will
be
locked
in
for
and
hope
to
have
tenure
ship
on
through
their
state.
H
It's
this
seems
to
be
a
model
that
you're
intent
on
expanding
and
I
will
just
put
it
out
there
I
think
for
the
larger
homes
you
might
want
to
consider
renting
some
of
them
as
a
typical
apartment,
if
you
actually
do
want
to
Target
longer
term
tenants.
Otherwise,
as
Sean
as
cancer,
Menard
and
other
folks
have
been
saying,
the
neighborhood
can
expect
a
lot
of
move-ins
and
move
outs.
A
Thanks
also
Foster
so
yeah
I,
obviously
a
subject
about
which
you
have
some
very
strong
feelings.
I
I
will
make
sure
that
we
are
aware
that
there
are
seven
particular
forms
of
zoning
relief
that
the
applicant
is
seeking,
and
our
decision
today
is
with
respect
to
whether
or
not
those
are
appropriate.
I
don't
see
any
other
questions
for
the
app
oh
Council
Kavanaugh,
oh
mine,
again,
it's
like
it's
going
to
be
as
bad
as
it
was
the
last
planet,
Community.
L
The
intention
here,
unlike
some
other
smaller
properties,
with
the
number
of
units
that
are
being
proposed,
that'd,
be
24-hour
on-site
property
managers.
So
yes,
there
most,
there
will
be
a
number
and
a
person
potentially
to
to
be
able
to
to
answer
and
direct
questions
and
concerns
to
not
only
from
the
residents
inside,
but
also
from
the
outside,
trying
to
get
a
hold
of
somebody.
It
would
similarly
operate.
I
would
say
like
a
condo
board,
where
you
do
have
that
sort
of
person.
L
L
The
waste
management
there
is
a
the
addition
is
going
to.
Currently
they
just
sort
of
have
some
bins
in
some
of
those
surface
parking
lots
with
the
re-
development.
The
addition
is
going
to
be
having
a
ground
floor,
garbage
room
enclosed
in
the
Edition,
so
there's
no
outside
storage
anymore
and
then
garbage
day.
The
bins
will
get
rolled
out
and
picked
up
and
then
put
back
in
so
it'll
be
internal
to
this
into
the
building.
So.
S
L
Q
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Are
there
any
further
questions
for
the
applicants,
while
they're
in
front
of
us
see
none?
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
presentation,
we'll
move
on
to
the
public
delegations,
the
first
of
whom
is
Adriana
Beeman
Adrian.
If
you
want
to
come
up
to
the
front,
there's
a
the
same
microphone
that
Lisa's
been
using.
T
To
speak
as
fast
as
I
can
no
I
I
try
to
limit
to
five
minutes
and
I've
rehearsed,
and
it
goes
a
little
bit
over.
So
if
you
can
indulge
me,
I
would
greatly
appreciate
and
I'll
try
to
slow
down,
because
when
I
got
into
five
minutes,
you're
not
going
to
hear
anything
I
say
so.
I
really
appreciate
your
patience
and
good
morning
again:
I'm
a
resident
of
Old,
Ottawa
East
and
a
neighbor
to
the
proposed
development.
My
chief
concerns
are
no
parking
for
future
residents.
T
The
development's
poor
fit
within
the
city's
existing
plans
and
the
inappropriate
design
of
the
addition
and
the
categorization
of
that
fifth
floor
amenity
space.
I,
just
ask
you
to
consider
the
following:
Graystone
Villages
original
approved
plan
didn't
include
the
community
center
within
a
school,
the
retirement
home
housing,
a
long-term
care
facility.
These
new
features
wonderful,
but
they
increase
traffic
and
on-street
parking
due
to
school
buses,
employees
and
visitors.
So
now
the
maximum
density
of
Greystone
that
was
planned
of
one
thousand
has
been
surpassed
and
it's
projected
to
be
doubled.
T
T
The
Tia
does
mention:
oh
there
may
there
will
be
a
small
spillover
parking
and
this
neighboring
streets
can
absorb
this.
That
is
inaccurate.
The
Tia
emphatically,
but
incorrectly
places
the
birdie
burden
on
the
existing
Community
to
adapt
to
this
development
and
change.
Such
a
sophisticated
owner,
aware
of
the
zoning
before
purchase,
should
adapt
their
development
plans
to
respect
zoning
rather
than
expect
the
community
to
absorb
the
entire
burden.
J
T
In
conclusion,
this
report
recommending
the
applicant's
request
without
changes,
sites,
policies
and
zoning
bylaws
that
are
subject
to
interpretation.
As
I've
indicated,
your
mandate
to
ensure
proper
investigation
can
be
restricted
because
of
the
new
introduction
of
provincial
Time
Guidelines
for
an
in-depth
review
of
each
application.
However,
I
kindly
request
that
you
consider
a
motion
to
defer
this
report
to
return
to
the
planning
and
housing
Committee
in
order
to
allow
the
planning
services
staff
to
address
the
issues
raised
today
and
to
achieve
a
most
harmonious
result
for
all
the
parties.
Thank
you
very
much.
P
You
very
much
chair
and
thank
you
for
your
public
delegation.
It's
appreciated.
I
will
ask
staff
about
the
Shadows
from
the
fifth
floor
amenity
space
that
you
have
raised
so
I'll.
Ask
that
in
the
in
the
questions
to
stop
a
period
of
time,
I
did
want
to
ask
you
about
the
Adaptive
reuse
of
of
this
building.
P
I
did
want
to
just
ask
you
about
the
Adaptive
reuse
of
the
building
and
your
views
on
that.
I
know
that
there
are
some
aspects
of
this.
Obviously
that
that
you
take
issue
with
on
the
the
keeping
of
the
property
of
the
Heritage
building,
though
I
suspect
that
you
know
this
was
always
going
to
be
developed
at
some
point.
You
would
be
in
favor
of
keeping
that
Heritage
structure
and
adaptively
reusing
it.
Somehow.
T
Yes,
I
mean
the
we,
the
community,
I
believe
speaking
on
behalf
of
my
neighbors
is
happy
that
there
is
going
to
be
an
Adaptive
use
of
the
convent.
We
are
just
amazed,
though,
that
the
the
amount
of
the
the
density,
the
requirement
of
the
parking
to
zero,
even
as
I
said
the
Urban
Design
of
the
building
itself,
it
was
it's
quite
an
imposing
building.
The
mass
is
quite
strong.
T
There
were
the
consultations.
We
didn't
really
have
a
lot
of
answers
from
the
owner
in
terms
of
different
designs.
That
may
be
more
well
fitting,
but
our
main
concern
is,
of
course,
this.
This
increased
density
that
we
see
happening
in
our
neighborhood
and
I,
see
it
every
single
day
with
parking,
especially
in
the
winter.
The
winter.
The
the
off
street
parking
is
Springhurst,
is
a
narrow
road
and
to
place
such
a
massive
building.
T
That
Edition
would
create
even
more
difficulties.
In
addition,
that
you
know
fifth
floor
is
really
a
fifth
Story.
It's
not
an
Amenia
projected
in
my
in
in
what
I
see
again,
this
is
what
I'm
saying
there's
a
different
interpretation.
The
staff
has
provided
its
report
based
on
saying
it
does
fit
into
the
policy.
It
does
do
this,
but
it
it
has
to
be
reviewed
more
because
it
doesn't
in
in
it
doesn't
fit
into
all
these
little
boxes.
T
In
order
to
to
you
know,
get
these
zoning
bylaw
amendments
passed,
and
we
just
want
to
be
heard
as
a
community
in
terms
of
trying
to
make
a
very
as
I
said,
15-minute
neighborhood
allowing
people
to
come
come
to
Main
Street
come
to
Old
Ottawa
East
encourages
encourage
businesses
to
you
know.
We've
got
places
that
need
to
be
leased
and
to
to
have
that
sense.
N
You
for
that,
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
So
at
the
end
you
said
you
want
us
to
defer
this
so
that
there
could
be
a
more
harmonious
result.
So
what
does
that
harmonious
result?
Look
like
to
you.
Would
it
be
more
parking
lots,
shorter
building,
like
a
redesign
of
everything?
That's
that's
been
put
forward
here,
so
right
go
back
to
the
drawing
board.
T
Not
complete
go
back
to
the
drawing
about
me
as
I
I
didn't
have
an
opportunity
to
to
speak
in
terms
of
you
know.
My
opinion
is
that
you
know
I'm,
seeing
all
the
time
that
there
are
sophisticated
developers.
They
know
what
the
zoning
bylaws
they
know
anything
and
we
know
they
want
their
their
financial
stability.
They
also
want
to
contribute
to
the
neighborhood
I'm,
not
saying
it's
all
about
finances
but
they're,
trying
to
maximize
Financial
returns
and
so
forth.
T
Without
consideration
of
everything
I'm
just
wanting
a
compromise,
a
Redevelopment.
Do
you
need
284
units
in
their
brochure
they
say:
oh
shared
accommodations
are
more
affordable
than
Studio
units,
yet
76
of
the
units
are
Studios.
So,
as
the
I
know,
we're
not
here
to
talk
about
the
type
of
housing,
but
it
does
play
effect
into
the
policies
of
the
official
plan,
the
policies
of
the
city
about
affordability,
the
policies
about
Transportation.
Yes,
that's
all
very
important.
There
has
to
be
some
sort
of
compromise.
T
It
can't
just
be
all
right
here.
It
is,
and
we
can
fit
it
in
these
little
boxes
of
if
it's
in
the
policy
it
fits
in.
That
I
just
would
like
a
more
thorough
review,
a
consideration
of
the
future
of
Old
Ottawa
East
with
increased
density.
There
were
well
intention
planning
decisions
when
Greystone
was
developed,
they
blew
up,
you
know,
developers
asked
for
more,
they
got
more
and
this
is
increased
traffic.
T
It
has
from
people
coming
in
long-term
care
facilities,
and
these
are
all
wonderful
things,
but
we
have
to
not
keep
going
and
saying.
Okay,
let's
keep
going
with,
whatever
units
are
requested.
Why
don't
we
say,
let's
scale
back
the
the
need
in
our
community
is,
of
course
housing,
but
what
they're
targeting
student
I
really
do
believe
that
in
their
brochure
too,
they
talk
about
the
company
talks
about
school
housing
I
with
all
due
respect
to
the
owner.
T
T
Councilor
Menards
concerns
were
addressed
in
terms
of
changing
the
number
of
units,
but
there
are
still
a
lot
of
other
concerns
that
were
not
thoroughly
addressed
and
that's
what
I
would
like
I
would
like.
As
you
said,
perhaps
a
redesign
that
fifth
Story
amenity
is.
You
know
there
are
other
options
that
the
owner
can
take.
That
would
at
least
address
some
of
the
concerns
of
the
community.
I
mean
we're
all
in
here.
As
a
community
happy
neighbors,
happy
Community.
We
all
want
to
work
together
for
the
betterment
of
Old
Ottawa
East.
T
So
I
really
urge
you
just
a
deferral,
emotion,
because
I
fear
that
you
know
I
I
appreciate
with
these
new
provincial
guidelines.
Applications
have
to
go
I
appreciate
the
what
is
going
on,
but
I
just
want
you
to
kindly
just
take
a
step
back
and
think
about
it,
and-
and
you
have
you
all-
have
concerns
and
I
really
doubt
I'm
sorry,
counselor.
A
A
U
U
There
is
much
to
like
about
this
proposal.
It
promises
much
needed.
Semi-Affordable
housing,
I,
initially
said
affordable,
but
today's
debate
indicates
that
there's
a
question
about
that.
Repurposes,
a
building
important
to
the
heritage
of
our
community.
It
provides
a
much
needed
mid-block
connection
between
the
community
to
the
North
and
the
shops
and
schools
of
Greystone
Village.
U
U
The
community
of
Old
Ottawa
East,
has
already
embraced
active
transportation.
We
now
have
four
OC
Transpo
bus
routes
serving
the
community
where
there
used
to
be
one.
We
are
blessed
with
a
well-used
network
of
cycling,
Lanes
on
both
sides
of
Main
Street
along
the
canal
and
the
Rideau
River,
including
the
Flora
Footbridge.
U
The
Consultants
have
already
admitted
that
it
is
possible
to
provide
some
residential
parking
with
reconfiguration
of
their
design.
So
we
would
urge
the
committee
to
direct
staff
to
work
with
the
developer
to
provide
some
residential
parking,
which
must
be
either
below
grade
or
obscured
from
View
next
slide.
Location
of
the
amenity
space.
C
A
U
P
Thanks
so
much
chair,
I
just
wanted
to
thank
Ron
and
the
Community
Association
for
the
work
you've
done
on
this
to
you've
helped
improve
it.
A
lot
I
know
that
that
pathway
has
has
been
an
important
issue:
the
Adaptive
reuse
of
the
building,
of
course,
and
then
you
know
the
keeping
of
a
of
a
public
park.
That'll
be
created
here
and
I
know.
P
The
community
has
been
instrumental
in
in
the
work
you've
done
there
and
I
think
you've
been
reasonable
here,
in
terms
of
you
know
a
balance
of
a
approach
so
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
in
your
approach
and
if
there's
I
guess
one
thing
that
you're
the
one
big
piece
that
you
would
really
want
to
see
here.
I
know
you
mentioned
three,
but
if
there's
one
that
you
had
to
pick,
which
one
would
it
be.
P
U
A
A
Chair,
thank
you.
I
have
a
question
with
respect.
There
was
a
statement
that
you
made
in
your
presentation
that
it
is
inconceivable
that
only
a
few
people
would
bring
cars
I'm,
frequently
frustrated
that
this
assertion
is
out
there
when
I
was
a
Community
Association
president
arguing
for
Less
parking
in
buildings.
C
A
Know
certainly
no
interest
in
in
getting
the
license
he's
got
a
lot
of
options.
It
is
not
inconceivable
to
me
when,
in
2012,
a
majority
of
people
who
lived
in
Ottawa,
Central
area
in
multi-residential
housing
did
not
have
cars
that
for
this
number
of
units,
264
households
that
are
furnished
that
they're
not
going
to
be
able
to
find
people
who
are
living
car
free.
What
is
what
is
your
evidence
for
the
inconceivable
nature
of
an
assertion
that
they
can
have
people
move
in
with
no
cars.
U
Well,
thank
you
very
much
for
that
question.
My
comment
was
that
it's
inconceivable
that
not
one
or
no
one
of
the
resonance
and
it's
284
residential
units
I
have
no
empirical
evidence.
I
am
just
saying
that
I
cannot
conceive
of
a
situation
where
not
one
of
280
for
a
residents
of
284
units,
particularly
in
the
city
of
Ottawa,
with
winter
conditions,
would
not
want
to
have
a
car.
U
A
We're
not
supposed
to
debate
here
today,
but
if
you
are
able
to
bring
some
quantitative
evidence
to
the
table
before
Council
of
of
your
position,
I'd
be
interested
in
reading
it.
I
do
frequently
look
at
the
data
and
it
is
very
conceivable
to
me
that
people
live
in
in
this
area
would
be
able
to
live
car
free.
We
are
approving
thousands
of
units
every
two
weeks
at
this
committee
that
have
parking.
A
A
A
V
It
thank
you
Jared.
Thank
you.
Everybody
else
for
having
me
for
a
few
minutes
here.
So
just
a
real
quick
background.
I
live
in
Greystone
right
behind
St
Paul's
I
live
in
a
bachelor
here,
I've
looked
and
been
working
around
this
area
for
the
last
two
years
of
development,
so
I'm
very
well
acquainted
with
it.
I
bike
and
I
run
winter
and
summer
and
I
also
have
three
vehicles
after
downsizing.
V
This
Community
is
an
older
aged
Community,
with
new
people
coming
in,
which
is
great
and
I.
Think
that
the
plan
here
to
use
the
nunnery
and
to
establish
some
sort
of
use
for
it
is
wanted
by
all
because
nobody
wants
to
look
at
a
vacant
building
a
few
points,
284
units
136
bases
originally
going
down
to
zero
I,
won't
say
that
it's
untenable
to
find
actual
zero
people
that
have
cars,
but
I'll
say
that
human
nature
is
what
human
nature
is.
V
So
in
these
buildings
alone,
in
the
one
that
I'm
in
right
now,
where
I
live
in
a
bachelor.
Many
of
these
buildings
came
with
a
substantial
amount
of
parking,
but
some
units
did
not
come
with
any
people
are
constantly
in
these
units
trying
to
barter
or
pay
for
parking
of
spaces
that
aren't
being
used
or
they
use
the
side
streets.
V
If
that
is
the
case,
then
there
has
to
be
some
mitigations
with
respect
to
the
neighborhood
and
strategy
and
some
realization
facts
and
logic
space
with
no
emotion
as
to
how
is
the
community
currently
running
right
now,
if
you
look
at
this
building,
if
you
look
at
Springhurst,
which
is
the
border
of
north
of
this
building,
Springhurst
is
a
one-way
Street.
It's
a
single
Lane
as
soon
as
you
do
add
snow
to
that
it
becomes
even
worse.
What
Springhurst
it
does
is.
V
V
So,
on
the
other
side,
oblat's,
obviously,
two
lanes
with
sidewalks
with
limited
or
no
parking
with
respect
to
the
two
car
share
planes
there.
So,
with
respect
to
that
flow,
through
of
traffic
of
this
plan,
everybody's
coming
through
Springhurst
they're
doing
either
drop-offs
pickups,
whether
it
be
paratranspo,
whether
it
be
visitors,
whether
it
be
Ubers,
whether
it
be
whatever
but
then
they're
going
right
into
a
rosemere
which
is
limited.
Access
with
no
left
turns.
V
If
you
take
the
other
side
of
this,
and
you
look
at
oblats
on
the
south
side
of
this,
this
situation,
if
you
go
directly
down
oblots
right
now,
it
currently
is
a
very
tenuous
single
lane
road
because
there's
parking
on
both
sides.
If
you
add
snow
to
it,
it's
barely
a
single
Lane
because
we're
navigating
in
and
around
people's
bumpers
to
try
to
get
down
that
road.
Having
said
that,
you
get
to
oblots
and
you
get
to
the
end
of
that
and
there's
the
Elizabeth
Brier
Center.
V
V
Do
not
enter
private
unassumed,
so
you
end
up
with
a
almost
virtual
dead
end
if
you
continue
down
old
blats
to
the
end
and
then,
if
you
come
up
through
my
way,
which
is
in
behind
St
Paul's,
where
the
new
construction
of
the
third
Tower
is
happening
in
Greystone
you'll
actually
come
into
demasanod.
The
mazinod
is
currently
undergoing
construction
right
now
and
it
looks
like
it's
going
to
be
single
Lane
one
way
in
a
counterclockwise
circular
fashion,
which
matches
what
the
end
state
is
on.
The
pathway
bordering
the
river.
V
V
Oh
that's
right!
Spits
you
back
out,
so
your
Ingress
and
egress
plan
for
the
community
ends
up
being
one
to
a
maximum
of
two
roads
and
then,
if
you
add
that
the
mitigation
required
for
both
the
snow
removal
which
we
found
this
last
winter
was
was
an
issue
because
there's
private
and
then
there's
public
assumed
growth,
snow
removal.
If
that
snow
removal
is
not
done
in
a
timely
fashion
and
we
get
wind
rows
and
snow
roads
and
ice
roads,
there
will
be
no
parking.
V
There
has
to
be
an
app
a
mitigation
strategy
with
respect
to,
even
when
you
do
do
the
snow.
Where
do
people
put
their
cars
so
the
reality
is
and
I
don't
I
hate
spending
all
my
time
just
on
cars
here
the
reality
is
people
are
going
to
bring
their
cars,
people
do
travel
and
people
do
need
their
cars.
Not
everybody
will
need
cars,
but
I
would
suggest
to
you
that
50
of
the
people
here
will
sign
any
lease
that
says
you
shouldn't
have
cars
and
parking
on
the
streets
is
not
usually
viable.
V
R
V
C
V
A
P
Jim,
thanks
for
for
speaking
today,
just
wanted
to
ask
of
you.
You
obviously
aware
of
the
site
here
and
and
we're
aware
that
the
winter
issue
and
the
clearing
issue
there
I
know
we've
exchanged
emails
with
with
our
operation.
Our
excellent
operation,
staff
and
I
know
as
a
new
build
area.
This
is
one
that,
obviously
we
need
some
uptick
and
support
there.
I
know:
we've
been
on
site
a
few
times
with
my
team
talking
to
them
about
those
issues
so
appreciate
you
raising
that
one
related
to
the
site.
P
V
V
In
my
view,
the
actual
facts
are
that
happened
last
winter
four
times
where
the
bus
was
actually
stuck
in
the
middle
of
two
different
intersections,
the
intersection
either
being
the
entry
via
the
St,
Paul's
entry
or
or
the
exit
on
turning
left
back
onto
oblats
was
actually
where
the
articulated
buses
get
stuck.
All
the
time
I
would
recommend.
We
never
have
articulated
buses
come
down
in
any
inclement
weather.
V
Having
said
that,
the
the
road
width
is
very
narrow,
so
having
those
buses
there
is
great
I
just
would
submit
that
if
they're
actually
sitting
there
as
a
rest,
stop
they
just
shut
the
bus
off,
but
having
it
turn
in
there
is
is
an
option
for
Saint
Paul's
and
it's
helpful,
but
also
knowing
that
there's
Surplus
capacity
at
St
Paul's
in
the
residents,
because
right
now
we
know
the
military
is
using
it
for
coursing
and
as
well.
The
Red
Blocks
use
it
for
housing
as
well.
V
So
there
is
Surplus
capacity
there,
which
leads
me
into
another
one
and
I
don't
want
to
digress,
which
is
what
is
this
housing
aimed
at?
Is
it
student
because
I
don't
think
that
that's
the
actual
case
here,
but
there's
a
lot
more
questions
on
that,
so
the
issue
I
have
is
if
you're
aimed
at
seniors,
which
can
walk
or
can't
walk,
then
the
sidewalks
have
to
be
cleared,
and
so
do
the
roadways
and
seniors
may
or
may
not
be
able
to
take
that
bus.
V
They
may
require
a
paratranspo,
so
you
have
to
aim
it
at
everybody
and
then
there's
people
like
me
as
well
that
are
getting
up
there
in
years,
but
there
has
to
be
options
and
I'm
just
looking
at
the
entire
Community
as
a
risk
mitigation
with
how
do
we
risk
mitigate
the
offset
of
a
zero
car
capability
with
respect
to
that
many
units
of
284
without
having
a
huge
negative
impact
because
I
see
it
right
now
the
amount
of
tickets
being
issued
using
the
public
lot.
That's
on
Watts
attached
to
one
of
the
condos.
A
Q
Thanks
counselor
Menard,
thank
you
chair,
sorry,
everybody
I,
I
I,
do
have
some
some
questions
and
and
concerns
and
comments
in
regards
to
the
parking
or
lack
thereof.
I
do
think
it's
conceivable
that
we'll
find
people
to
live
there
perfectly
fine
who
who
may
or
not
need
access
to
a
vehicle
and
that
some
of
the
measures
that
are
put
in
place
that
we've
discussed
today
would
be
sufficient
for
those
people.
Q
What
I
find
inconceivable
is
that
we
seem
to
be
okay
with
excluding
people
so
because
people
who
need
cars
also
need
housing.
So
when
we
put
put
a
development
forward
and
approve
it
with
zero
parking
spaces,
we
are
basically
excluding
people
who
work
in
the
trades.
People
who
drive
delivery
vehicles
for
living,
some
cab
drivers
who
own
their
own
vehicles,
particularly
accessible
cabs,
which
I
know
some
of
us
were
chatting
about
very
recently,
and
so
I
I
cannot
comprehend
how?
Q
How
we
is
this
a
is
this
a
conscious
decision
that
we're
making
as
a
city
to
exclude
these
people
in
the
hopes
that
they
will
just
be
able
to
find
housing
elsewhere,
because
we've
been
approving
a
lot
of
developments
of
this
committee
that
don't
meet
the
minimum
parking
standards
and
I'm
just
wondering
is:
is
that
something
that
we're
okay
with
as
a
city?
Where
are
those
people
supposed
to
live?
I
know
many
people
who
work
in
the
trades
that
need
a
vehicle?
Q
They
often
work
outside
of
the
city,
but
they
live
in
the
city
and
and
they
need
housing
and
affordable
housing
as
well,
so
I
I
do
see
major
issues
with
providing
absolutely
zero
parking
and
I
was
just
wondering
if
the
staff
could
comment
on.
You
know
what
the
rationale
here
and,
and
just
whether
or
not
we're
thinking
about
all
of
these
other
people
who
may
require
a
vehicle
who
also
require
places
to
live
and
how
we
can
be
okay.
With
this.
K
K
I
can
appreciate
the
conversation
of
someone,
maybe
not
wanting
to
go
there
if
they
own
a
car
which
they
would
be
excluded
from,
maybe
wanting
to
look
at
a
development
of
that
nature,
but
we
do
set
up
this
development
to
provide
a
variety
of
options
and
I'll
remind
the
the
committee
that
part
of
the
zoning
requirements
do
require
car
share
spaces.
There's
two
dedicated
car
share
spaces
on
oplots
and
the
ability
to
add
five
more
car
share
spaces
within
the
visitor
parking
lot.
K
Q
And
and
those
those
measures
are
enough
to
mitigate
the
I,
think
obvious
concerns
and
things
that
would
happen
when
we
completely
eliminate
a
minimum
parking
standard.
So
if
we
have
a
minimum
parking
standard,
it
must
be
for
a
reason,
and
so
when
we
go
from
that
minimum
standard
down
to
zero
are
we
are
we
just
accepting
like
I
I
have
a
really
hard
time,
understanding
how
that's
not
going
to
affect,
like
some
of
the
public
delegates
have
said
here
today.
Q
They
live
in
buildings
that
are
close
by
with
limited
parking
and
that
they
do
see
parking
spilling
out
onto
the
street
and
issues
occurring
as
a
result
of
that.
So
do
we
feel
that
the
measures
that
have
been
put
forward,
such
as
you
know,
a
handful
of
car
sharing
spots
as
able
to
to
mitigate
the
concerns
that
we've
heard
quite
clearly
from
the
people
who
already
live
in
that
neighborhood
today,.
K
Yeah,
chair
staff
are
quite
comfortable
and
supportive
of
our
recommendation.
There
was
a
lot
of
review
and
changes
that
happened
throughout
the
course
of
this
application,
and
I
have
no
problem
telling
you
that
at
the
beginning
of
this
application,
we
flagged
concerns
with
the
parking
reduction
and
what
that
did
was
allow
a
conversation
to
happen
where
originally
the
proposal
had
less
visitor
parking
than
what
was
required
and
working
with
our
parking
studies
group.
K
We
upped
the
visitor
parking
to
meet
the
minimum
requirement
and
we
started
to
engage
in
a
conversation
and
I
heard
a
lot
of
buzzwords
today
about
mitigation
compromising
human
behavior.
This
application
before
you
is
a
model
example
of
what
a
developer
should
do
when
they're
going
to
make
a
significant
parking
reduction.
I,
don't
know
what
else
we
can
do
on
this
site.
There's
car
share
spaces.
There's
the
notices
on
title
bicycle
parking
is
one
per
bedroom,
not
one
per
unit,
one
per
bedroom.
K
There's
access
to
visitor
parking
for
bicycles,
there's
also
so
the
rental
opportunity
for
bicycle.
So
this
development,
although
bicycle
focused,
is
actually
well-rounded
in
all
modes
of
transportation.
That's
exactly
what
we
want
to
see
happen
when
there's
a
parking
reduction
on
the
table,
foreign.
P
Thank
you
very
much,
chair
I
did
want
to
comment
that
there
there
are.
Certainly
you
know,
cities
that
have
been
moving
towards
the
elimination
of
mandatory
minimum
parking
standards.
Edmonton
has
just
done
this
recently
in
the
city
of
Toronto
or
Edmonton,
did
actually
I.
Think
2020
a
city
of
Toronto
in
2022
and
I
I
know
you
know
it's
it's
a
it's
an
adjustment
and
I
think
to
councilor
Kelly's
a
point.
P
There
needs
to
be
obviously
a
lot
of
mitigation
that
goes
on
with
this
and
I
couldn't
have
imagined
a
lot
better
mitigation
than
what
we're
seeing
here
in
this
area.
This
is
certainly
a
15-minute
Community.
It
is
a
walkable
likable
Community,
this
Transit
friendliness.
As
you
hear
it,
Transit
goes
into
the
site
and
people
drive
here
too,
and
so
what
we've
seen
is
about
six
different
TDM
measures.
That
I
think
will
really
help
in
this
regard.
P
I
think
you
are
going
to
see
a
population
that
is
coming
in
and
out
of
these
units,
there
is
going
to
be
a
high
student
population
here,
going
to
St
Paul's
going
to
University
of
Ottawa
going
to
Carl
University.
That's
I
think
what
there's
a
design
here
for-
and
you
know
you
think-
about
student
residences
and
many
of
them
don't
have
some
of
them
have
parking
available.
Some
of
them
do
not.
So
it
depends
on
where
you
are.
With
regard
to
this.
P
On
the
on
the
staff
side,
the
specific
measures
that
they're
putting
place
with
the
over
400
bike
parking
spots,
the
rentable
Bike
Share
the
car
share
option.
Of
course,
the
transit
option
there,
the
walkability
here
you're
within
50
minutes
of
a
grocery
store
within
schools
within
amenities
in
this
space.
P
It's
really
a
tremendous
space
in
the
city
to
live,
work
and
play,
and
you
know
I
think
that
hopefully
there's
definitely
an
appreciation
of
of
the
type
of
City
we
wanted
to
build
within
our
official
plant
in
this
area.
I
did
want
to
comment
to
just
ask
about
a
couple
of
questions
that
my
community
has
raised
around
the
on
the
shadow
impacts
of
the
fifth
Story
there.
I
did
I
did
look
into
that.
P
M
The
proposed
Edition
is
largely
compliant
with
the
existing
zoning,
as
mentioned
by
the
applicant
for
the
permitted
projection.
The
structure
is
set
back
to
minimize
this.
The
shadowing
impacts,
amongst
other
you
know,
perceptions
that
it's
a
larger
building,
but
I
will
say
that
the
as
of
right,
shadow
of
of
a
six-story
building,
which
is
permitted
on
the
southern
portion
of
the
site,
would
have
a
a
much
larger
impact
on
the
community
if
it
were
to
be
at
the
the
you
know,
current
scale
of
the
existing
building.
M
P
Appreciated
information
and
I
know
you
know
the
Community
Association
generally
supports
the
the
re
adaptive
reuse
of
this
building.
They've
been
pretty
steadfast
in
the
fact
that
it's
it's
nice
to
keep
this
Heritage
structure
there
and
that
and
to
to
utilize
it
in
a
way
that
they
knew
would
be
developed
at
some
point
and
nice
to
see
that
the
building's
not
just
knocked
down
and
and
the
tower
put
up
there's
a
lot
of
unit
potential
within
that
space
and
I.
P
M
So
we,
as
mentioned
we
did,
involve
our
parking
services
staff
early
on
in
the
process
to
understand
the
parking
issues
in
the
area,
and
this
wasn't
known
to
us
at
the
time
of
when
we
had
the
public
consultation
and
we
wanted
to
get
a
sense
of
the
potential
impacts
that
would
occur.
Should
there
be
any
spillover.
So
that's
when
we
started
double
double
Downing
on
or
doubling
down
on
the
transportation
demand
management
strategies.
P
M
P
Thank
you
for
very
much
for
that.
There's
been
a
discussion
about
that
pathway
through
the
community.
I
I'm,
just
wondering
the
details
of
the
lighting
of
that
pathway
is
not
finalized,
yet
I
know
it's.
It's
surrounding
buildings
will
provide
some
light,
but
I
just
wanted
to
ask
about
that
pathway
and
what
kind
of
measures
might
be
put
in
place
there
for
that
access
from
Springhurst
over
to
oblats
and
what
you
might
be
thinking
there
in
terms
of
lighting
and
that
access.
M
M
But
we
could
also
because
this
is
an
ongoing
site
plan-
involve
our
colleagues
with
Ottawa
Police
Services,
to
assess
this
from
a
crime
prevention
through
environmental
design
perspective
and
to
see,
if
there's
any
additional
measures
that
can
be
taken.
I'll
also
just
end
off
by
saying
that
there
is
a
an
entrance
on
that
location
as
well,
so
it
will
be
traveled
fairly
frequently.
P
Yeah,
this
is
an
area
where
you're
blocked
off
from
getting
there.
You'd
have
to
go
all
the
way
around.
It's
it's
a
needed
pathway,
and
so
you
know
and
SEPTA
it.
It
is
all
well
and
good.
I
guess
what
I'm
most
concerned
about
is:
is
the
functionality
of
the
pathway,
the
accessibility
of
the
pathway,
which
I
think
we're
going
to
be
able
to
work
through
on-site
plan
and
appreciate
that
the
the
public
park
that
is
supposed
to
be
created
here,
how
how
would
that
come
to
be
in
terms
of
development
of
the
site?
P
K
Thanks
chairs,
so
through
the
zoning
we've
carved
out
the
area
that
the
park
will
be
located
on
the
corner
there
with
the
01
zoning,
which
is
typical
of
our
park
space,
and
that
zoning
was
confirmed
by
our
Park's
colleague,
The
Next
Step
will
be
through
the
site
plan.
Control
application
there'll
be
a
condition
in
our
on
our
agreement
for
Parkland
conveyance,
so
you'll
see
land
conveyance
in
this
case,
instead
of
the
typical
cash
and
lieu
which
we
see
on
other
developments
in
this
area.
K
Generally
speaking,
we
have
that
land
conveyance
occur
along
with
the
site
plan
agreement
being
registered
on
title
and
then,
depending
on
construction
needs
or
staging.
There
becomes
a
conversation
between
our
staff
and
park
staff
about
the
timing
of
the
city,
taking
ownership
of
that
running.
Parallel
to
that
process,
though,
Parks
will
run
an
independent
consultation
process
for
the
final
design
of
that
Park.
So
your
zoning
and
site
plan
process
will
secure
the
the
area
and,
as
well
as
the
land
and
City
ownership,
fantastic.
P
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
I
guess
my.
My
last
question
is
just
around
the
concern
of
I.
Guess
that
the
parking
piece
so
I,
is
it
City
staff's
experience
that
when
you
add
parking
to
developments
there
are
more
cars,
utilizing
that
infrastructure
in
and
around
that
development?
Or
has
it
been
your
experience
that
if
you
reduce
the
parking,
there's
there's
fewer
cars
in
and
around
that
development
accessing
it,
because
the
the
parking
there's
fewer
spaces
there,
I
guess
do
you
have
experience
in
that?
What's
your
assessment
of
that.
K
Sure
I'm
going
to
cautiously
generalize
this
response
and
saying
that
we
are
seeing
more
and
more
applications,
whether
it's
low
rise,
mid-rise
or
even
high
rise
along
our
Transit
corridors,
going
more
the
route
of
parking
reductions.
I,
don't
think.
We've
seen
enough
of
that,
build
out
to
understand
the
full
implications
of
that
parking
reductions
as
we're
adding
those
Transit
demand
strategies,
but
certainly
from
a
construction
and
Market
point
of
view.
K
We
are
seeing
developers
utilize
that
more
often
than
we
had
in
past
years,
so
I
can
only
infer
that
when
you
don't
build
the
parking
and
set
up
a
development
to
signal
that
you
know
this
is
a
development
geared
towards
alternative
modes
of
transportation.
That
change
in
human
behavior
and
shift
will
occur.
Naturally,.
P
Hey,
thank
you
very
much
for
this
and
I
just
want
to
plug
this
area.
One
last
time
obviously
Grace
Jones
developed
there's
been
adaptive,
reuse
into
a
school
of
the
day,
Shadow
late
building,
as
well
as
OCH
looking
into
affordable
housing
in
this
area,
the
grand
la
which
is
going
to
house
the
Main
Street
farmers
market
in
the
future
is
a
wonderful
amenity.
P
In
this
space
there
is
going
to
be
fantastic,
walking,
biking,
Transit
infrastructure
that
continues
along
this
area
and
just
you
know,
really
appreciate
the
community's
involvement
in
in
creating
this
with
staff
and
obviously
the
the
applicant-
and
you
know,
development,
team
and
teams
in
this
area.
So
certainly
big
changes
for
this
community
I
think
the
community
is
almost
based
on
this
Development
Area
nearly
doubled
in
size
over
a
decade
and
so
and
and
that
you
know,
obviously
continue.
P
So
there
is
a
lot
of
change
here,
but
there's
there's
so
much
to
be
proud
of
of
what
this
area
is
because
coming
and
it's
exciting
to
see
the
businesses
on
Main
Street
that
are
popping
up.
That
used
to
be
fully
residential
on
fronting
on
that
street
and
doing
very,
very
well
so,
and
obviously
the
community
thriving
with
the
new
community
center
that
is
supposed
to
go
into
that
building
as
well
at
21
000
square
feet.
K
D
C
D
Minor
thing
just
before
it
goes
to
council.
No,
the
point
of
the
question
about
the
meters
was
I
know
there
are
some
condos
to
the
West
towards
Main
Street
to
the
west
of
of
this
building,
and
and
where
that
amenity
space
is
going.
Where
that
supposed
possible
extra
floors
going
like
it's
I
just
want
to
know
how
close
it
is
to
the
to
the
height
of
the
neighboring
building
like
if
it
really
is
something
that's
going
to
be
so
you
know
obtuse.
M
D
No,
so
the
well,
no,
that
the
height
in
meters,
because
you
know
there
was
a
public
delegation
earlier.
That
said,
it's
like
adding
a
fifth
Story
and
then
it's
going
to
add
all
these
Shadows,
but
I
note
that
there
are
condos
right
beside
it
too,
right
to
the
west
of
this
building
and
and
based
on
street
view.
They
appear
to
be
a
very
similar
height
with
the
with
the
enclosed
amenity
area.
M
Unfortunately,
I
don't
have
any
information
on
the
the
adjacent
building,
but
I
know
that
the
that
building
has
limited
projections
within
that
space.
It's
it
was
zoned
in
a
similar
fashion,
split
zoned,
so
that
portion
of
the
site
is
restricted
to
four
stories
and
they've
chosen
to
to
locate
most
of
their
density
of
the
building
to
towards
the
southern
portion
on
dieselblats,
and
there
may
be
some
minor
encroachments
within
that
space.
K
I
will
I'd
share
that
the
final
design
of
that
space
will
be
done
through
site
plan,
but
the
way
we've
set
up
the
zoning
in
this
schedule
is:
there's
the
four-story
height
limit
up
to
15
meters,
which
is
the
part
of
the
building.
You
see
framing
the
street
that
amenity
level
is
allowed
to
go
a
maximum
of
four
and
a
half
meters
above
that
height
and
based
on
the
schedule.
It's
also
a
minimum
two
and
a
half
meters
from
the
edge
of
the
building.
N
Council
Curry,
thank
you
Mr
chair,
so
I
mean
what
we
have
here
is
we
have
a
staff
recommendation
and
even
though
the
counselor,
the
local
counselor's,
not
on
this
committee,
it
sounds
like
the
counselor
is
supportive.
So
because
the
report
just
simply
said,
the
counselor
is
aware
of
it,
but
it
sounds
like
the
counselor
is
supportive
of
it.
P
So
thank
you
chair.
This
will
rise
to
council
and
I'm
supportive
of
the
Adaptive
reuse
of
this
building.
I
think
there's
a
couple
little
things
that
we
want
to
figure
out
with
the
developers
still
around
the
affordable
housing
piece
that
I
had
mentioned
and,
of
course,
the
pathway
inside
plan,
but
in
general
I'm
supportive
of
the
application
overall.
N
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
clarification.
It's
very
difficult
to
vote
against
something
that
has
staff
recommendation
and
local
counselors
supporting
I
I
will
say:
I
just
want
to
ask
a
couple
of
questions
so
have
we
ever
before
have
I
guess
our
planning
staff
ever
supported
an
application
or
seen
an
application
where
the
reductions
of
parking
is
to
zero.
K
Chair
I
can't
think
of
specific
examples
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
I'd
be
fairly
confident
in
saying.
Yes,
We've
also
significantly
changed
our
bylaw
over
the
years,
where
any
development,
12
units
or
less
does
not
require
any
parking
and
there's
also
the
area
Zed
areas
that
are
close
to
downtown
Coors
Transit
priority
areas
where
the
zoning
bylaw
itself
requires
no
parking.
A
N
K
Chair
based
on
the
the
site,
design
and
the
Adaptive
reuse
of
the
building,
I
said
I
would
venture
to
say
that
it'd
be
very
difficult
to
add
parking.
After
the
fact,
there
is
the
surface
parking
lot,
which
does
have
the
27
visitor
parking
spaces
and
there's
the
ability
to
provide
up
to
seven
car
share
spaces
on
this
site.
Beyond
that,
if
this
development
is
constructed
in
accordance
with
those
plans,
I'd
say
there'd
be
limited
opportunity
to
add
it
after
the
fact.
N
M
M
The
current
layout
of
that
Frontage
has
direct
access,
parking
spaces
and
the
first
iteration
is
the
site
plan
included
a
few
lay-by
parking
stalls
and
we
requested
that
they
remove
that
to
have
a
more
continuous
Frontage
and
they
were
open
to
that.
So
we
have
a
a
sidewalk
that
will
run
continuously,
save
for
the
two
Karcher
parking
spaces,
but
other
otherwise,
there's
quite
a
bit
of
additional
plantings
within
that
that
space.
N
Great
thank
you.
I
I
appreciate
that
I
saw
that
I
just
I
thought
it
is
also
taking
away
additional
parking,
but
I
guess
my
overall
comment
here
is
that
I,
don't
think
a
deferral
is
going
to
help
I,
don't
think
anything
real
would
happen
with
a
deferral.
I
think
it
would
be
a
long
process
that
would
maybe
result
in
not
really
solving
most
of
the
problems.
N
N
I've
seen
that
in
Canada
as
well,
the
one
thing
I
will
say
is
an
overall
higher
level
comment
than
I
think
we
heard
this
from
the
planner,
because
you
know
counselor
Kelly
makes
a
very
good
point
that
you
know
this
kind
of
building
potentially
discriminates
against
some
people
living
there.
There
are
other
places
to
live,
but
the
reality
is
people
who
need
a
truck.
You
know
for
their
work,
not
a
car
share
vehicle
people
that
have
live
in
a
world
where
they
have
to
be
somewhere
immediately,
can't
necessarily
wait
for
a
Subway.
N
There
are
jobs
like
that.
You
know
psws
in
particular
need
to
have
a
car
with
all
their
equipment
in
it
they
can't
just
constantly
be
having
ride,
share
vehicles
and
the
visitor
parking
space
on
the
PSW
front.
Here
is
a
good
thing,
because
psws
need
parking
spaces
in
front
of
buildings
where,
if
seniors
were
in
these
units,
they
would
be
at
least
able
to
park.
N
So
there's
sort
of
the
the
positives
and
the
negatives
here
on
any
fronts,
but
my
my
concern
always
is
is,
if
you
don't
encourage
families
to
live
in
this
area,
that's
not
a
good
thing,
and
it's
challenging
for
families
to
live
in
this
setting
with
all
of
these
restrictions.
It's
not
impossible,
but
it
is
challenging
and
I
just
always
want
to
see
developments
that
are
more
family
friendly.
I.
Don't
know
that
this
is
it
it's
challenging
to
have
many
kids
in
no
car
at
all,
even
just
to
store
it.
N
I
hear
people
and
I
hear
some
of
the
counselors
here
saying
you
know
the
younger
generation
maybe
isn't
getting
their
licenses,
but
they
live.
They
grow
up
in
a
family
with
a
car
that
they
at
least
had
to
store
somewhere.
You
know
that
they
used
occasionally
to
go
on
a
camping
trip
or
whatever
it
was,
but
mostly
used
bicycles
and
scooters
and
everything
else.
N
The
reality
is
that
this.
This
is
something
the
developer
has
to
deal
with.
Who
are
they
going
to
Market
this,
to
maybe
not
families,
maybe
to
University
students
and
people
who
want
fully
furnished
apartments
and
those
are
whoever
they
are
people?
Don't
aren't
offered
parking
right
from
the
start
that
will
help.
You
know,
like
you're,
told
right
away,
there's
no
parking,
there's
no
parking
on
the
street,
there's
no
parking
available
here.
So
this
is
not
the
building
for
you
and-
and
you
know,
look
elsewhere.
That
maybe
has
to
be
the
case.
N
E
Thanks
chair,
there
was
a
question
earlier
about
whether
or
not
we're
we're
restricting
or
not
building
enough
homes
for
people
with
cars.
I
just
wanted
to
note
that
previously,
today,
in
the
parking
and
housing
committee,
we
approved
664
vehicle
spaces
for
600
homes
in
jockville
Road,
which
is
600
meters
from
two
different
Transit
stations
and
then
cereville
Road.
It
was
one
parking
per
unit
for
356
homes,
400
meters,
from
a
transit
station.
We
approve
a
lot
of
parking
in
this
committee.
E
I
just
wanted
to
to
sort
of
clarify.
So
the
official
plan,
because
this
is
within
800
meters
of
a
transit
station
in
this
case-
leaves
transit
station.
It
allows
staff
to
consider
an
applicant
request
for
a
reduction
of
parking
to
zero,
so
I
get.
That
is
that
an
automatic
you
can
have
zero
or
what?
What
are
the
specific
check
marks
that
an
applicant
has
to
meet
in
order
for
staff
to
consider
a
parking
reduction,
Justified
and
advisable.
K
K
So
it
would
be
considered
on
a
case-by-case
basis,
with
the
option
there
of
getting
all
the
way
up
to
no
parking,
but
certainly
not
an
automatic.
A
lot
of
work
went
into
understanding
how
we
would
down
to
zero
and
a
big
part
of
that
was
the
measures
we
put
directly
in
the
zoning,
with
the
increased
bicycle
parking
and
things
of
that
nature
and
other
things
that
we'll
do
through
site
plan.
Through
our
conditions
that
we
have
powers
to.
E
Do
okay,
so
it's
site
by
site
there's
a
number
of
different
factors
that
might
come
into
play?
Okay!
Yes,
thank
you
for
clarifying
that
yeah,
I
I.
Don't
think
it
should
necessarily
be
an
automatic
thing
that
we
we
approve
zero
parking
when
it
comes
in
front
of
us,
but
I
I.
Think
in
this
case
it
is
justified
in
a
good
location.
Also,
in
the
report
notes
it's
in
a
a
neighborhood
that
scores
very
high
on
walkability
and
I.
E
S
I
appreciate
that
residents
who
live
there
can
reach
out
to
someone,
but
those
who
don't
live
there,
who
have
concerns
about
the
property,
because
I've
had
issues
in
the
past
about
properties
that
aren't
well
managed
in
terms
of
littering
or
whatever,
and
is
there
someone
or
this
parking
concern
actually
is.
Is
that
the
the
developer
has
said
that
there
will
be
a
phone
number
that
will
be
displayed?
How
is
that
enforced
or
incorporated
into
the
site
plan.
K
Mr,
chair
I'm
not
sure
strictly
about
the
enforcement,
but
this
is
a
case
actually,
where
the
developer
proposed
this
property
management
approach
as
part
of
their
Transit
demand
strategy.
It
would
not
be
typical
of
a
site
plan
condition,
but
they
acknowledged
and
agreed
that
they
would
want
to
do
that
as
a
condition
to
make
sure
that
there's
oversight
on
how
the
site
is
set
up,
enforcement
I
believe,
would
come
back
to
typical
bylaw
complaints,
and
you
know
if
there
was
enough
complaints
on
this
property.
S
Okay,
thank
you,
I
think.
It
also
should
be
noted
that
this
is
being
said.
It's
going
to
be
rental,
but
that
is
up
to
the
developer.
They
could
have
made
it
a
condo,
it's
not
a
requirement
of
us
or
they
just
it's
their
decision.
So
if
they
change
their
mind
further
down,
they
could
make
it
condominiums
or
in
the
future.
Is
that
correct.
K
S
Yeah,
okay
I
mean
that's
just
just
to
let
people
know
that
those
are
things
that
can
happen,
that
this
is
their
the
decision
right
now
it
could
be
a
retirement
home,
maybe
I,
don't
know
considering
the
neighborhood,
especially
with
no
parking
for
people
who
are
not
driving
anymore
anyway.
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
and
appreciate
your
work
on
this
file.
Thank
you.
A
I
live
on
a
street
that
is
characterized
by
semi-detached
and
even
single
detached
homes
and
and
people
are
not
parking
on
our
street,
except
for
many
of
the
homeowners
who
are
parking,
their
second
cars
and
their
cars,
for
which
they
don't
have
room
and
staff
who
are
working
on
Wellington
Street.
Some
people
do
move
into
these
buildings
with
a
car
right
like
I'm,
not
going
to
pretend
that
doesn't
happen,
and
then
they
call
my
office
because
bylaw
is
on
them
they're
getting
ticketed.
A
We
have
daytime
winter
parking
bans,
nighttime
winter
parking
bans
the
snow
clearing
is
such
that
you
can
no
longer
Park
safely
on
the
street
for
much
of
the
winter.
They
call
my
office
looking
for
help
and
I'm
very
blunt
with
them
that
I
have
no
help
to
give
right.
There
are
ways
in
which
you
can
live
in
hinsonburg
with
a
family
with
cars.
Unfortunately,
it's
very
expensive
right.
If
you
want
to
buy
a
property
that
has
attached
vehicle
or
your
private
storage
for
your
vehicle,
most
people
can't
do
it
right.
A
The
the
prices
in
hintzenberg
and
Westborough
are
through
the
roof.
The
only
way
we're
going
to
be
able
to
allow
not
allow
the
only
way
we're
going
to
be
able
to
facilitate
people
of
all
income
levels
to
live
in
our
neighborhood
is
to
encourage
more
of
this
kind
of
development
that
doesn't
add
the
cost
of
parking
on
to
the
rent
that
is
park,
that
is,
car
free
that
doesn't
take
up
space
with
surface
parking
right
where
we're
doubling
down
on
intensification
and
no
parking
buildings
or
a
deliberate
choice
on
the
part
of
council.
A
We've
we've
said
that
we're
going
to
facilitate
this
through
our
official
plan,
so
I'm
I
am
fully
supportive
for
those
folks
who
moved
into
these
buildings
without
a
car
or
with
a
car
when
they
hear
that
they
cannot
live
viably
in
these
buildings
with
a
car
they
they
move,
and
it's
unfortunate
I
know.
That's
extremely
stressful
for
people,
which
is
why
I
keep
talking
to
staff
about
the
need
to
warn
people
very
explicitly.
You
can't
park
on
the
street
here
right
if
you're
going
to
move
into
this
building,
you
can't
park
on
the
street.
A
There
might
be
street
parking
available,
you're
not
going
to
be
able
to
use
it.
It's
critical
that
we
be
really
really
blunt
with
people,
because
the
stress
of
moving
into
a
building
and
then
finding
out
that
you
can't
in
fact
park
sustainably
on
the
street
is
is
more
than
people
should
have
to
bear,
but
there
are
hundreds
soon
to
be
thousands
of
people
who
are
moving
into
the
great
neighborhoods
that
we're
building
along
LRT
without
cars
and
it's
very
sustainable
for
them.
A
You
can
move
into
our
neighborhood
with
a
car,
but
you
have
to
find
a
unit
that
has
private
vehicle
storage
as
part
of
it
and
unfortunately
near
LRT
stations.
That's
going
to
cost
money.
It
costs
a
lot
to
try
to
find
something
that
has
barking
and
I.
Don't
have
the
silver
bullet
on
that
I
will
leave
it
there.
A
A
So
Armstrong
I
haven't
asked
for
a
performance.
This
is
a
file
that,
as
far
as
I'm
concerned,
should
have
been
in
front
of
the
committee
of
adjustment
with
respect
to
the
need
for
a
zoning,
but
we
do
keep
seeing
these
in
front
of
the
committee.
I
have
a
delegation.
Sorry
I
have
Jack
Dylan
and
Eric
Bean
right
from
Lion
trade.
Who
are
the
applicants
who
are
prepared
to
speak
Jack
and
Eric?
Did
you
want
to
make
any
comments
before
we
hear
from
our
public
delegation?
A
A
W
W
One
thing
that
was
not
noted
is
we
will
be
making
two
of
the
units
affordable,
housing
units
that
that
is
consistent,
what
we
did
in
Beechwood
and
it
worked
out
well
and
so
we'll
be
doing
that
and
then,
as
as
was
mentioned
throughout
the
past
presentation.
This
is
a
12
unit.
Building
does
not
require
parking
as
part
of
the
city
guidelines
and
and
is
presented
as
such,
especially
given
its
proximity
to
to
the
light
rail.
A
W
A
So
that's
50
that'll
be
about
1535
per
month
for
a
one
bedroom
unit,
which
would
be
a
reasonably
substantial
discount
from
what
you
could
probably
get
on
the
open
market
and
on
Armstrong
and
hintzenberg,
which
would
be
closer
to
2000
or
so
a
month,
as
my
assumption,
correct,
yeah.
Okay,
so
with
that
we
have
a
delegation
from
Cheryl
Parrott
Cheryl,
no
stranger
to
the
committee.
X
We
are,
however,
very
disappointed
that
the
applicant
is
unwilling
to
increase
the
amount
of
bicycle
parking,
provided
we
always
make
this
request
on
every
new
proposed
development
because
pretty
well.
Everything
here
has
no
parking
provided,
and
it's
particularly
urgent
on
this
site
and
part
of
the
reason
for
that
is,
there's
no
parking
anywhere
around
so
on
Armstrong
Street,
there's
no
parking
on
Parkdale,
there's
no
parking
Carruthers
is
so
intensified,
which
is
you
know
quite
a
ways
away
that
there's
no
parking,
left
and
hinchi
doesn't
have
very
much
tall.
X
So,
given
that
it's
really
essential
that
bicycle
parking
be
increased
to
at
least
one
space
per
unit,
and
you
should
have
indoor
or
weather
protected
bicycle
parking
that
should
be
provided
and
some
developers
coming
forward
have
done
that
they
have
amended
their
plans
to
do
that.
But
unfortunately,
this
developer
has
not,
and
we
have
supported
the
r4u
zoning
which
encourages
the
construction
of
low-rise
apartments
and
forbids
parking
in
favor
of
that
soft
landscaping
and
trees,
and
we
fight
very
hard
to
keep
that
required
green
space
in
the
rear.
X
However,
the
failure
to
increase
the
requirement
for
bicycle
parking
to
at
least
one
space
per
unit
creates
really
serious
issues
with
on-street
parking,
which
is
already
in
such
sort
short
supply
in
our
neighborhood,
and
we
really
can't
rely
on
the
Goodwill
of
developers
to
just
increase
the
supply
of
bike
parking
beyond
the
minimum.
0.5
spaces
per
unit
residents
who
choose
to
live
without
a
car
will
almost
certainly
own
one
bike
per
person
and
even
when
a
one
bedroom
unit
may
contain
two
people.
So
there
you
need
two
spots.
X
A
Carol,
thank
you
very
much
and
certainly
I'll
be
taking
that
to
to
staff
and
certainly
through
the
comprehensive
zoning
by
our
review.
I
think
we
absolutely
have
to
take
a
look
at
bicycle
minimums
right
across
the
city.
The
preview
we
just
saw
the
oblates
lands
where
they
were
proposing
one
per
bedroom,
which
is
a
good
way
of
looking
at
it.
So
we
got
work
to
do
on
that,
but
Cheryl
I
wanted
to
ask
you.
Today
we
passed
the
R4,
the
new
R4
zoning
I
guess
three
years
ago
somewhere
around.
J
A
X
They're
not
adhering
every
application
pretty
well.
That
comes
forward
is
for
a
reduction
in
that
rare
yard
space,
and
we
have
been
going
to
Committee
of
adjustment
and
speaking
against
a
reduction
in
that
rare
yard
space.
It's
so
very
minimal.
To
start
with
the
required
soft
Landscaping
is
just
a
little
bit
bigger
than
my
car,
and
that
can
be
for
eight
units
and
that's
supposed
to
contain
a
tree
and
any
use
of
the
backyard.
X
A
As
opposed
to
the
Westport
rainfall
study,
which
has
sort
of
stopped
the
variances,
because
we
gave
them
a
box
in
which
the
developers
are
by
and
large
working,
the
R4
box
is
one
from
which
the
developers
continue
to
seek
wiggle
room
and
I'm
supporting
today's
applique
education,
because
we
have
a
staff,
a
staff
recommendation
in
favor.
You
know
if,
if
this
committee
were
to
refuse
it
I
doubt
very
strongly
that
we
would
have
Olt
sustain
us
on
it.
A
But
what
we
see
with
the
committee
of
adjustment-
and
you
know
in
some
cases
these
rezonings
is
Staff,
support
and
I.
Guess
I
am
concerned
that
it
is
becoming
a
def.
You
know
it's
becoming
too
easy
for
developers
to
get
wriggle
room
on
the
R4
zoning
and
that's
something
that
I
want
staff
to
be
aware
of
today
in
terms
of
moving
forward.
So
I
appreciate
the
the
delegation
Cheryl.
X
Well,
that's
a
it's
a
huge
issue
for
us.
I
know
you
don't
want
me
to
speak
right
now,
but
it's
it's
a
really
huge
issue
that
that
constant
reduction
and
and
since
you
brought
it
up,
the
Our
concern
is
that
City
staff
always
have
no
concerns
at
Committee
of
adjustment
with
that
reduction,
sometimes
of
of
over
two
meters
and
it's
minimal
to
start
with.
Thank
you.
No.
A
Thank
you,
Cheryl
and
that's
that's
well
raised
an
issue
for
for
moving
forward,
but
something
I
felt
was
important
to
put
on
the
table
today.
Are
there
any
other
questions
for
the
delegation
see
none.
Is
that
item
carried
Gary
all
right?
Thank
you
and
thank
you.
Cheryl
I,
believe
that's
so
the
item
for
Boris,
O'kane,
I,
don't
think
counselor
Hill,
so
I
think
we
can
just
speak
on
his
behalf.
It
is
withdrawal.
R
R
The
community
recommends
the
council
approving
exemption
to
sections
114
and
121
table
1A
of
the
permanent
signs
on
private
property,
bylaw
2016-326,
as
amended
to
follow
to
allow
one
the
installation
of
an
additional
identification
ground
sign
within
30
meters,
of
an
existing
ground,
sign
on
the
same
premises
and
on
the
same
street
Frontage
and
two
permit.
A
combined
signed
signed
face
area
of
the
two
ground
signs
beyond
the
maximum
allowable
five
square
meters,
but
not
exceeding
7.35
square
meters.