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Planning and Housing Committee - 3 May 2023
A
Good
morning,
everyone
and
apologies
for
the
wait.
Thank
you
very
much
for
being
here.
Welcome
to
the
planning
and
housing
committee
meeting
first
off
I
do
want
to
acknowledge
that
Ottawa
is
located
on
unseated
territory
of
the
Algonquin
Island,
whose
culture
and
presence
have
nurtured
and
continued
to
nurture
this
land.
It
is.
C
D
A
A
You
very
much
my
understanding,
zip
counselor
Brockington
will
be
a
little
bit
late
this
morning
and
it's
likely
that
councilor
Kelly
is
not
going
to
be
able
to
join
us
due
to
the
flooding
issues
in
his
Ward.
So
I'll
just
make
note
that
this
is
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
proposed
comprehensive
official
plan
and
Zoning
bylaw
amendments
listed
as
items
4.1
to
4.4
on
today's
agenda.
For
the
items
just
mentioned,
only
those
who
make
oral
submissions
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendments
are
adopted.
May
appeal,
the
matter
to
the
Ontario
land
tribunal.
A
In
addition,
the
applicant
May
appeal
the
matter
to
the
Ontario
land
tribunal.
If
Council
does
not
adopt
an
amendment
within
90
days
of
receipt
of
the
application
for
a
zoning,
bylaw,
Amendment
and
120
days
for
an
official
plan
amendment
to
submit
written
comments
on
these
amendments
prior
to
their
consideration
by
City
Council
on
May,
10
2023,
please
email
or
call
the
committee
or
Council
coordinator.
A
A
C
A
F
E
This
is
an
amendment
to
document
three
details
of
recommended
zoning,
whereas
the
report
included
do
I,
have
the
right
one.
Yes,
I
do,
whereas
the
report
included
Direction
carried
at
the
September
21st
2022
meeting
of
council
to
implement
height
transitions
in
the
am
11
Innis
Road
Blackburn,
Hamlet
subzone,
and
whereas
these
height
transitions
were
not
to
apply
to
properties,
subject
to
an
active
planning,
application,
specifically
applications
for
98
and
100
Bear,
Brook
Road,
and
whereas
a
public
submission
concerning
the
site
and
requested
that
the
proposed
amendment
clarified
that
the
above
site
is
Exempted.
E
Amend
subsection
18611
by
adding
a
new
Clause
o
with
the
following
next,
despite
186
11
and
1
and
3
for
the
land's
known
municipally
is
98
and
100
Bear.
Brook
Road
the
provisions
existing
as
of
May
2nd
2023,
continue
to
apply,
therefore,
be
it
further
resolved
that
there
be
no
further
notice
pursuant
to
section
3417
of
the
planning
Act.
A
G
Have
a
question:
I
have
a
question
for
staff.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
this
once
again,
the
the
community
was
caught
off
guard
by
this
designation
of
am
11.
Zoning
relating
to
this
particular
piece
of
property
I'm
trying
to
understand
this
technical
Amendment
as
to
is
this
just
maintaining
what
is
already
current
there
I'm
trying
to
figure
this
out.
H
Through
the
chair,
the
amendment
will
apply
the
height
transition
Provisions
to
the
interior
side,
Lot
line
of
properties
in
the
am11
zone,
in
addition
to
the
rear
lot
line.
So
the
the
provisions
currently
apply
the
height
transitions
to
the
rear
lot
line.
Only
and
this
amendment
will
apply
the
provisions
to
the
interior
side
Lot
line
as
well.
G
G
All
right,
it's
silent
where
I
am,
which
is
unusual
with
my
dog,
no
I
I'm,
just
asking,
because
once
again
this
is
a
very
sticky
subject
for,
for
my
community
and
I
just
want
to
clarify
that
we've
had
lots
of
discussions
about
the
need
to
put
into
clear
and
understandable
terms
what
this
means
for
this
property.
So
this
is
clarifying
what
the
community
already
knew
for
this
particular
property
am
I
correct
that.
G
A
A
We
have
the
item
receiving
the
scaling
up.
Non-Profit
housing
in
Ottawa
report
will
hold
that
one.
There
are
a
lot
of
delegations
which
is
great
to
see
on
this
report
I'll.
Just
let
committee
know
that
I
will
be
looking
for
an
opportunity
to
take
a
20-minute
break
somewhere
around
the
the
new
now
or
if
that's
okay,
21
delegations
listed
so
far.
There
is
another
item
and
I'm
sorry
Vice,
chair,
Gower,
I
hadn't,
seen
you
in
the
room
previously,
so
I've
got
councilor,
troster
teed
up
to
add
an
item
to
the
agenda.
I
Sorry,
this
is
crossed
out
by
the
staff
member,
but
it
my
understanding.
This
was
not
identified
as
Urban
expansion
area
on
schedule,
C-17
in
the
council
adopted
official
plan,
but
were
subsequently
included
in
category
one
future:
neighborhood
overlay,
Urban
expansion,
areas
on
schedule,
C-17
with
ministerial
approval
of
the
official
plan
and
whereas
policy
56211
of
the
approved
official
plan.
States
development
may
only
receive
draft
approval
or
final
approval
on
land
within
the
future
neighborhoods
overlay.
Once
the
overlay
has
been
removed
through
an
official
plan.
I
That
would
allow
for
the
consideration
of
minor
variances
in
support
of
the
site
plan
control
application
for
the
proposed
Animal
Hospital
at
4
Campbell
Reed
Court
within
the
framework
of
the
future
neighborhood
overlay
designation
report,
their
findings
and
recommendations
for
any
required
policy
changes
to
the
planning
and
housing
committee
by
July,
6
2023,
ensuring
that
such
changes
are
consistent
with
the
objectives
and
intent
of
the
city's
official
plan
and
provincial
policy
statement.
Now.
A
D
A
I
I
This
file
predates
my
election,
so
the
community
consultation
was
held
in
the
summer,
so
I
do
want
to
apologize
to
the
community
associations
who
wrote
in
with
objections
to
this
project,
which
I
was
only
made
aware
of
yesterday.
So
I
have
been
playing
a
little
bit
of
catch
up
I
if
we
could
just
take
a
look
at
the
most
recent
rendering
of
the
building.
I
I'm
just
I
want
to
better
understand
how
some
of
that
feedback
was
incorporated
into
this
development,
because
I
see
some
changes
are
clear
and
respond
to
some
of
the
initial
concerns.
It's
great
to
see.
The
development
now
has
slightly
over
one-to-one
bicycle
parking.
The
visitor
parking
space
that
was
previously
included
on
the
site
was
eliminated,
I'm
just
wondering
if
staff
or
the
applicant
can
speak
to
what,
if
anything,
has
changed
in
the
application.
Since
the
public
meeting.
J
Yeah
so
I'll
just
start
off
by
summarizing
some
of
the
concerns
that
we
were
raised
in
the
initial
submission.
So
sorry,
my
name
is
John
Bernier
I'm
with
the
planning
department,
so
yeah,
so
the
issues
which
I
summarized
and
are
infrastructure
capacity,
whether
or
not
the
development
or
future
developments
could
be
supported
by
the
street.
J
J
So
in
the
initial
design,
the
bike
parking
was
actually
located
in
that
far
upper
left
corner
there,
which
is
the
west
side
of
the
site
and
there's
actually
a
parking
spot
located.
Where
you'll
see
the
bike
parking
areas
is
located
now,
so
it
was
a
single
parking
space
and
during
the
submission,
there's
a
lot
of
concern
as
to
whether
this
would
compromise
the
the
rear
Lane
and
whether
or
not
that
vehicle
would
be
backing
into
that
lane,
which
presently
is
just
used
for
pedestrian
traffic
or
accessing
rear
yards.
J
So
that
was
one
one
major
concern
that
we
heard
so.
The
second
submission,
as
you
see
here,
excluded
that
from
from
the
design
as
we
had
press
the
applicant
to
do,
it
also
unlocked
a
lot
more
space
for
a
amenity
area
and
located
that
bike
parking
to
a
more
functional
location.
That's
you
know
a
little
bit
more
accessible
from
the
front
yard,
but
largely
the
oh,
and
it
also
allowed
additional
plantings
within
the
rear
yard.
J
So
there's
an
additional
tree
that
over
time
will
will
kind
of
create
a
better
buffer
between
this
development
and
the
the
homes
to
the
rear,
but
largely
the
location
and
the
scale
of
the
building
Remains
the
Same,
as
was
included
in
the
first
submission.
So
it's
it's.
It's
largely
the
same
today,
including
the
number
of
units
and
the
setbacks
that
they're
they're
looking
for.
I
I
Think
the
Crux
of
some
of
the
frustration
from
the
correspondence
we
received
is
that
in
some
of
the
reports
we
see
the
participation
of
the
community
organization
noted
and
others
not
I'm,
just
wondering
what
standard
practice
is
and
how
we
might
find
a
way
to
ensure
that
that
feedback
that
there's
some
notation
of
of
how
these
applications
change
due
to
feedback.
When
we
see
them
a
planning
committee
right.
J
So
I
did
I
mean
I
did
summarize
their
response
responses
and
I
know
that
issue
is
taken
on.
You
know
the
level
of
summarization
that
I
that
I
undertook
on
those
comments,
so
I
could
I
can
and
will
in
the
future,
expand
on
those
a
little
bit
further
standard
practices
that
we
do
include
the
Community
Association
or
reference
to
the
Community
Association
within
the
public
consultation
details
and
I
neglected
to
do
so,
but
I
did
capture
all
of,
or
you
know
the
the
core
of
their
issues
within
that
summarization.
Okay,.
I
Thank
you
very
much.
I
mean
this
is
a
tough
one.
There
is
some
opposition
that
have
come
from
community
members,
I,
deeply
respect
and,
of
course,
the
Della
Jose
Community
Association,
but
I
definitely
struggled
with
this
one,
because
I
think
it
does
conform
to
the
secondary
plan.
I
think
it's
the
kind
of
density
we
need
to
see,
and
frankly,
it's
300
steps
from
the
future
course
through
Italia
station,
and
even
though
this
is
a
dead
end
side
street.
This
lot
is
the
one
that
literally
butts
right
up
against
Gladstone
lands.
I
So
you
know
it's
it's
four
stories,
which
is
what
the
official
plan
allows
and
if
anything
I
think
it'll
offer
a
nice
transition
to
the
high
rises
that
are
going
to
go
into
the
lot
next
door.
So
I
am
inclined
to
support
it,
but
thank
you
very
much
and
I
think
if
there's
a
way
to
just
try
to
better
capture
the
character
of
that
that
Community
input
and
then
it's
a
good.
I
A
I
2023-Cre-Ps-0049
seeks
the
zoning
bylaw
Amendment
approval
to
permit
a
26
unit,
low-rise
apartment
building
with
site-specific
exceptions,
and
whereas
a
technical
amendment
has
been
requested
for
the
project
Architects
to
slightly
increase
the
maximum
height
in
document
2
of
the
report.
Therefore,
it
be
resolved
that,
with
respect
to
report,
ACS.
A
F
K
It's
sort
of
a
question
and
a
comment,
but
you
know
I
saw
in
the
feedback
that
we
received
for
this.
That
people
were
saying
I,
think
one
person
said
If
This,
Were,
more
three
bedrooms,
I
would
love
it
and
we
have
that
a
lot
in
Canada
as
well,
where
people
will
say
there's
a
lot
of
batch
there's
a
lot
of
one
bedrooms.
Yet
it's
sort
of
projected
or
it's
sold
as
a
family-oriented
building,
what
you
know
given
all
the
bills
that
we
have
to
deal
with,
and
what
our
role
is
on
planning
committee.
K
A
F
L
K
K
I
Can
I
just
say
one
thing:
yeah
and
I'll
just
say:
Council
Curry!
It's
something
that
I
try
to
say
to
Residents
is
that
with
more
height,
there's
more
Provisions
for
for
more
larger
units,
so
in
a
lot
of
high
rises,
we're
exercising
that
right
to
ask
that
the
developer
include
those
larger
homes,
but
I
do
think.
I
It
would
be
really
helpful
within
the
context
of
our
zoning
bylaw
review,
to
think
about
whether
there
are
any
legislative
mechanisms
or
or
incentives
that
we
could
work
on
to
help
incent
larger
family
homes,
because
what
I
see
consistently
in
Somerset
Ward
and
in
Centertown
is
they
may
take
down
one
house
to
build
a
low-rise
apartment,
but
it's
a
loss
of
a
three-bedroom
home
and
replacing
with
a
ton
of
Bachelors,
and
so
it's
still
a
net
loss
of
family
size
homes
in
the
neighborhood.
It
is
a
consistent
problem.
A
Thank
you
very
much
to
stop
for
that.
I,
don't
see
any
further
questions
from
Members.
Is
this
I?
Oh
sorry,
is
the
amendment
carried
and
is
the
report?
Carriage
is
amended.
Thank
you
very
much.
The
next
item
on
the
agenda
is
for
377
and
381
Winona.
We
do
have
a
delegation
here
today
from
the
Westboro
Community
Association,
our
staff
prepared
to
make
a
presentation
on
this
one.
N
N
It
is
about
36
meters
from
Richmond
Road,
just
to
the
north
240
meters,
from
Scott
Street
to
the
north
of
that
and
460
meters
from
Westborough
station.
Under
the
official
plan
it's
designated
Main
Street
Corridor
and
it
is
zoned
traditional
Main
Street,
due
to
its
proximity
to
Richmond
Road.
Currently,
there
are
two
single
detached
dwellings
that
are
proposed
to
be
demolished
to
make
way
for
the
new
building
next
slide,
please.
N
So
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
construct
a
six-story
mixed-use
building
with
60
residential
units
and
two
ground
floor
commercial
units.
I.
Think
it's
important
to
note
for
this
application,
that
for
zoning
purposes,
because
its
own
traditional
Main,
Street,
Picton
Avenue
to
the
north,
is
actually
considered
the
front
yard
for
zoning
purposes
and
under
the
TM
Zone
that
would
be
subject
to
a
zero
meter
setback.
N
So
in
effect
the
applicant's
proposal
will
establish
Winona
Avenue
as
the
de
facto
Front
Street
for
the
building
the
ground
floor,
commercial
units
and
the
main
lobby
of
the
building
will
be
accessed
from
Winona
Avenue.
But
vehicular
access
will
be
provided
from
Picton
Avenue,
so
by
sighting
the
building
on
the
corner
of
the
lot.
N
The
applicants
able
to
provide
a
side
yard
that
you
can
see
on
the
east
of
the
building
where
utilities
will
be
located
and
where
opportunities
will
exist
for
some
minor
landscaping
and
outdoor
Terraces
for
the
three
ground
floor
units
also
in
accordance
with
the
TM
Zone
requirements.
The
building
will
step
back
above
the
fourth
story
on
both
the
Winona
and
the
Picton
elevations
next
slide,
please.
N
N
Next
line
please
so
the
relief
that
the
applicant
is
requesting
is
for
the
corner
side,
yard
setback,
which
in
this
case
would
be
Winona
Avenue.
The
applicant
is
proposing
a
zero
meter,
Corner
side
yard
setback,
as
I
mentioned,
to
establish
Wynonna
as
the
main
street
the
building
France
onto,
but
the
building
will
still
step
back
above
15
meters.
The
applicants
also
requesting
a
reduction
in
the
minimum
parking
space
rate
from
0.5
to
0.2
spaces
per
unit
after
the
first
12
dwelling
units
next
slide.
N
A
O
Okay,
so
my
name
is
Jeff
Kelly
from
novatech
on
behalf
of
our
client,
zero
Winona
Incorporated
regarding
applications
for
the
rezoning
on
the
property,
municipally
known
as
377
and
381
Winona
Avenue,
as
you
I
know,
I'm
also
joined
by
my
colleague,
Marie
Chan
and
I.
Think
we
also
have
Daryl
hood
of
CSC
Architects.
Should
there
be
questions
from
the
committee
next
slide?
Please.
O
So,
with
respect
to
the
state
context,
I
will
just
note
that
the
subject
property
is
located
within
600
meters,
radius
of
the
planned
katissippi
and
Westboro
O
train
stations.
I'd
also
note
that
the
subject
property
is
within
walking,
distance
of
a
broad
range
of
land
uses
and
amenities
that
contribute
to
the
development
of
15-minute
neighborhoods,
reducing
the
needs
for
residents
to
use
private
automobiles
to
access
their
daily
needs
and
also
making
it
a
suitable
location
for
mid-rise
intensification.
Next
slide,
please,
with
respect
to
the
site
plan.
D
O
O
We
note
that
the
approach
that
we
we
took
was
a
result
of
coordination
with
City
staff
in
advance
of
our
initial
submission,
and
it
was
based
on
providing
additional
building
separation
from
the
East
lot
line
and
any
future
development
of
the
property
to
the
east.
So,
as
you
can
see
on
the
landscape
plan,
the
proposed
zero
meter
setback
from
the
property
line
maintained
sufficient
space
to
provide
a
three
meter
buffer
area
for
landscaping
between
the
proposed
building
and
the
sidewalk
along
Winona
Avenue,
and
on
Picton
Avenue.
O
O
So,
just
with
respect
to
the
building
design,
you'll
see
the
image
before
you
looking
North
along
Winona
Avenue,
and
we
would
note
that
a
great
deal
of
thought
and
care
has
been
placed
into
ensuring
that
the
building
will
fit
well
within
the
existing
community
and
the
streetscape
along
Winona
Avenue.
The
building
is
designed
to
complement
the
character
of
the
neighborhood
by
using
durable
materials
that
are
common
in
the
area,
including
the
use
of
red
brick
with
detailed
patterning
intended
to
articulate
the
building
facade.
C
O
Picton
and
it's
a
complete
with
large
openings
that
reflect
the
scale
and
rhythm
of
buildings
along
Richmond
Road
and
contribute
to
acting
activating
the
public
problem
along
Winona
Avenue.
There
is
a
small
commercial
use
and
a
fully
conforming
patio
area
that
will
be
provided
at
the
corner
of
Winona
and
Picton
and,
as
previously
noted,
soft
Landscaping
is
provided
along
the
Winona
and
picked
in
frontages,
along
with
sufficient
space
for
tree
plantings
between
the
building
and
the
public
sidewalk
along
Winona
Avenue,
in
order
to
improve
the
streetscape
condition
next
slide,
please
so
with
that
I'd.
F
F
I
think
the
focus
of
the
discussion
from
residents
of
that
time
was
actually
on
the
proposed
patio,
which,
as
Jeff
has
indicated
in
his
presentation,
is
fully
conforming
and
permitted
under
the
zoning
today
and
none
of
the
or
the
application
of
the
report
that's
before
you
today
doesn't
really
relate
to
the
proposed
patio
you've
heard
from
both
staff
and
from
Jeff
with
respect
to
the
post
reduction
in
the
corner
side
yard
setback
from
a
design
perspective.
We
believe
it's
appropriate,
it's
still
providing
for
Street
trees
along
Winona.
F
A
A
A
P
I,
have
read:
novatex
justification
for
moving
the
building
three
meters
closer
to
the
street
and
they're
planning
right
in
their
planning
rationale.
Document.
This
justification
is
more
appropriate
to
a
true
traditional
Main
Street
like
Richmond,
Road
and
Wellington,
and
not
a
street
like
Winona
and
Picton,
which
are
clearly
residential
streets.
P
P
The
Urban
Design
review
panel
recommend
recommended
canopies,
supported
by
steel
rods
or
chains
to
help
relate
to
the
warehouse
Aesthetics
of
this
building
that
is
true
and
better
facing
anim.
A
better
Street
facing
animation
will
also
help
draw
your
eyes
downward
to
reduce
the
vertical
scale
of
the
building
and
that
that's
a
concern
to
the
neighbors.
P
The
elimination
of
the
three
meter
setback
is
also
a
very
has
a
very
serious
impact
on
landscaping.
Again,
the
Urban
Design
review
panel
said
the
panel
believes
the
Landscaping
should
reflect
the
character
of
the
neighborhood.
The
proponents
should
consider
setting
back
the
building
to
provide
more
than
a
1.5
meter,
soil
for
the
tree,
planting
trees
and
the
tree.
Canopy
are
an
important
issue
across
the
city.
I
have
noticed
recently
that
the
forest
Forestry
Department
gives
much
more
consideration
to
the
recovery
of
the
tree.
P
Canopy
I
believe
the
new
official
plan
looks
for
a
40
percent
tree
canopy,
which
this
project
clearly
does
not
have.
Forestry
also
looks
at
which
areas
of
a
property
can
and
should
accommodate
larger,
shade
trees.
In
this
case,
the
overhead
power
lines
are
on
the
opposite
side
of
the
street,
so
planting
larger,
shade
trees
are
on
the
applicant
side
of
the
street
and
a
priority
for
the
Forestry
Department.
The
city's
mandate
can
only
be
achieved
if
there
is
adequate
soil
space
for
trees
to
survive
and
mature.
P
A
A
K
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair,
I,
just
I
agree
with
Tim
like
and
I.
Look
at
this
I
think
this
had
some
opportunity.
You
know
to
to
put
more
trees
there
along
that
road.
I
mean
Mr
chair.
This
is
your
area
I,
look
at
how
close
people
can
go
to
to
where
there
may
be
like
Lions
Park.
Maybe
you
know
I,
guess
the
NCC
Parkway
they'd
take
their
bikes,
but
to
be
able
to
walk
down
that
street
I
see
the
two
trees
in
the
diagram.
K
What
what
I
guess
my
question
to
staff
is
what
did
when
you
looked
at
what
the
Urban
Design
panel
said,
then
how
much
does
that
go
into
some
of
your
thoughts
when
they
recommend
something
like
that?
I
I,
like
look
at
our
tree
canopy
in
the
downtown
Gore
like
Canada,
we're
we're
above
the
40
or
whatever
we're
good.
It's
you're,
the
heat
island,
you're
you're,
where
we
need
to
have
more
trees,
and
this
really
doesn't
allow
for
it.
K
Mr
chair
I
mean
I
appreciate
what
they're
trying
to
do
with
this
building
and
I
appreciate.
They
want
to
try
to
get
as
much
housing
as
possible
into
as
much
square
feet,
but
I,
don't
know,
I,
think
that
you
know
this
building's
going
to
stand
for
150
years
and
there'll
never
be
the
opportunity
to
have
those
nice
trees
and
that
nice
shady
area
for
people
to
walk
what
you
know.
If
we
we
reject
this,
then
what
happens
and
they
fight
it
at
the
Olt
we
lose.
K
Q
Chair
I
just
want
to
add
to
the
staff
response
that
in
urban
conditions,
it
is
often
difficult
to
achieve
good
Street
trees,
but
we
do
work
very
closely
with
our
our
colleagues
in
forestry
services
who
were
part
of
this
review
process
and
part
of
this
application
and
despite
udrp's
recommendations
which
came
from
a
good
place.
You
know
I
believe
that
the
same
outcome
is
being
achieved.
They
looked
at
the
soil
volumes.
Q
They
looked
at
the
trees
that
could
be
planted
along
Winona
and,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
will
have
a
street
Frontage
that
is
very
active
with
commercial
grade.
An
active
public
realm
with
a
sidewalk
Landscaping
opportunity,
and
our
experts
in
forestry
services
are
comfortable
that
the
amount
of
soil
volume
and
the
space
between
the
building
and
sidewalk
will
result
in
viable
Street
trees.
So
it's
a
really
balancing
act
as
part
of
our
planning
process,
where
you
have
comments
from
one
group
and
comments
from
another
group.
A
A
Okay,
so
now
we're
moving
to
the
receiving
the
scaling
up
non-profit
housing
in
Ottawa
report.
I
want
to
thank
staff
very
much
for
working
with
my
office
to
get
this
report
on
the
agenda.
This
is
not
a
city
report.
It's
been
written
by
authors
who
are
in
the
housing,
not-for-profit
housing
sector
I
think
it's
important
that
we
receive
it
formally
and
that
we
listen
carefully
to
the
recommendations
that
are
being
made
into
it.
A
I
cannot
imagine
that
as
we
go
through
the
term
of
council
priorities,
that
housing
is
not
going
to
come
up
at
the
top
of
everyone's
list,
and
you
know,
as
a
council
I
think
we
need
to
start
working
on
what
our
directions
are
going
to
be
fairly
soon.
The
the
clock
is
ticking
on
this
term
of
council,
even
though
it
doesn't
necessarily
feel
that
way.
A
Today,
I
have
asked
or
I've
monosity
committee
to
agree
to
allow
the
first
delegations,
who
are
the
authors
of
the
report,
to
make
a
15-minute
presentation,
rather
than
have
me
present
the
report
to
you,
which
is
certainly
going
to
result
in
any
number
of
inaccuracies.
So
with
the
will
of
the
committee.
There's
a
15-minute
presentation
from
the
Katie
and
caroling
authors
of
the
report
is
that
okay,
thank
you
and
with
that
then
Peterborough,
Calder,
Harris
and
Carolyn
Whitman.
You
have
15
minutes
to
present
the
findings
of
your
report.
R
Just
a
question
on
slides
is
that
me
or
you
or
you,
Kelly
you're,
doing
it?
Okay!
Thank
you
all
right.
Well,
thank
you
so
much
everyone
for
coming
today.
We've
really
appreciated
the
chance
to
meet
with
you
in
advance
of
this.
This
report
was
developed
by
Dr
Carolyn
Weitzman.
Many
of
you
have
probably
heard
it
Ad
nauseam
from
us,
so
we
we
appreciate
your
willingness
to
hear
it
again
and
if
you
could
switch
to
the
next
slide,
that'd
be
great.
R
I
do
want
to
start
and
I
know
it's
been
said,
but
this
report
is
about
land.
It
is
about
public
land
and
I.
Think
it's
important
to
remember
that
we
are
on
unseated
land.
We
don't
actually
own
the
land
that
we
are
talking
about.
So
when
we
talk
about
public
land
for
public
good,
we
need
to
remember
how
indigenous
peoples
were
first
here
and
that
this
is
ultimately
their
land
and
they
also
represent
about
30
percent
of
folks
who
experience
homelessness
and
a
much
higher
number
of
people
experiencing
housing
and
security
next
slide.
S
The
number
is
based
both
on
Election
time
commitments
by
the
current
mayor,
as
well
as
a
bit
of
a
feasibility
looking
at
the
housing
and
homelessness
report,
and
also
looking
at
the
total
Quantum
of
housing
that
has
been
pledged
by
city
council.
Now
this
report
was
written
before
it
was
fifteen
thousand
a
year
a
year
as
a
pledge,
we
were
thinking
a
little
bit
more
about
the
current
rate,
which
is
little
under
10
000
a
year
and
saying
that
1
000
of
it
should
be
non-profit.
S
The
official
plan
talks
about
20
percent
of
all
approvals
being
non-profit
and
affordable
in
the
official
plan
at
fifteen
thousand
a
year,
which
is
the
Quantum
that
is
been
pledged.
That
means
3
000
homes,
but
scaling
up
takes
a
while,
and
the
quantum
over
the
last
few
years
has
been
between
100
and
200
housing
and
homelessness
plan
talks
about
750..
We
I
think
that
a
thousand
is
a
legitimate
Ambit
claim
next
slide.
S
Please
so
how
the
first
recommendation
policy
direction
is
work
with
non-profit
developers
on
publicly
owned
sites
that
have
been
identified
way
back
in
2018
near
stage
one
to
and
to
LRT
stations,
and
and
talk
about
how
it
can
be
scaled
up
in
conjunction
with
the
housing
accelerator
fund
proposal,
which,
as
you
know,
was
recently
announced
by
the
cmhc.
The
portal
for
applications
opens
in
June
according
to
the
cmhc,
decisions
are
made
at
the
end
of
the
summer.
S
So
this
is
a
fairly
timely
issue
and
we
would
definitely
recommend
that
staff
report
back
as
soon
as
possible,
in
collaboration
with
the
non-profit
housing
providers,
about
making
this
kind
of
scaling
up
pledge
as
part
of
the
housing
accelerator
fund.
Next
slide,
please
foreign
right,
so
the
2018
report
on
affordable
sites
was
great.
S
There's
now
lrt3
being
talked
about,
so
it's
important
to
keep
a
pipeline
of
suitable
sites
for
social
and
Supportive
Housing
and
we'd
also
suggest
that
staff
identify
further
sites,
particularly
associated
with
LRT
state
phase.
Three,
so
in
other
words,
keeping
a
continual
pipeline
of
government,
land
and
I
should
probably
take
a
step
backwards
and
say
this
is
based
on
International
best
practice.
Almost
all
reports
on
social
and
Supportive
Housing
say
that
government
using
land
will
take
between
15
and
30
percent
of
the
cost
off
homes.
S
S
So
the
council
said
that
there
was
a
housing
and
homelessness
crisis
in
the
beginning
of
2020.
There's
almost
45
000
units
and
identified
in
the
census
as
being
in
core
housing
need
that's
about
one
in
eight
households.
I
could
get
into
a
very
long
discussion
about
2021
and
serve,
but
I'm
not
going
to,
but
I
will
be
pedantic
enough
to
say
that
core
housing
need
doesn't
include,
homeless
people
and
actually
the
a
Canadian
summary
of
point-and-time
counts,
found
a
doubling
of
unsheltered
homelessness
between
20,
18
and
2022.
S
So
this
is
a
gross
underestimate.
It's
probably
increasing
their
core
housing
need
doesn't
include
people
who
are
unlicensed
and
unlicensed
rooming
houses
in
the
city
of
Ottawa
has
a
report
on
that.
It
doesn't
include
people
in
long-term
care
or
congregate,
seniors
care.
It
doesn't
include
at
least
twenty
thousand
tertiary
students
in
the
rental
market
again
citing
a
city
of
Ottawa
report.
So
forty
five
thousand
real
underestimate
and
the
vast
majority
of
those
folks
are
very
low
or
low
income
next
slide.
Please.
S
It
also
doesn't
include
people
who
want
to
move
away
from
their
family
or
don't
want
to
live
with
roommates
for
issues
ranging
from
their
adults
now
to
violence
in
their
home
and
again,
an
estimate
has
been
provided
of
ten
thousand
individuals
a
little
bit
more
and,
as
we
also
know,
there
are
people
who
are
driving
until
they
qualify
for
low-cost
housing.
So
Ottawa
saw
a
little
less
than
a
one
percent
growth
between
2020
and
2021,
while
gadineau
and
Lanark
County
saw
a
much
larger
growth,
mostly
young
households.
S
So
what
can
the
city
of
Ottawa
do
to
address
the
needs
of
very
low-income
households
and
also
what
can
the
city
of
Ottawa
do
to
address?
The
need
of
larger
moderate
income
and
sometimes
larger
sized
households,
as
counselor
Curry,
said
in
the
last
two
items
ago.
So
why
are
estimates
there's
at
least
a
hundred
thousand
low
on
moderate
income
households
whose
needs
aren't
being
served
right
now?
That's
an
awfully
big
Quantum
next
slide,
please.
S
So
this
gives
you
a
sense
of
some
of
the
income
categories
and
one
of
my
jobs,
I'm
working
for
the
housing
assessment,
resource
tools
and
National
project
funded
by
the
cmhc.
We
have
data
on
all
municipalities,
regions,
provinces,
territories,
the
nation
as
a
whole.
We
have
five
income
categories
based
on
income
categories,
that
the
cmhc
is
historically
used
to
make
sure
that
people
are
getting
the
right
housing
where
they
need
it
and
the
right
sizes-
and
this
gives
a
sense
of
some
of
the
affordable
rents
less
than
515
dollars.
S
There
is
no
rooming
house
unit
available
at
that
cost.
There
is
certainly
no
other
form
of
Market
housing
at
that
cost,
a
little
less
than
thirteen
hundred
dollars,
particularly
if
you're
looking
at
anything
other
than
a
bachelor
apartment
and
the
most
common
group
in
core
housing
leaders
single,
that's
just
not
feasible
right
now
in
the
market
in
Ottawa
next
slide.
S
Please
and
again,
this
is
sort
of
the
composition
of
the
44
000
plus
households
that
are
in
the
census
as
being
an
unaffordable,
overcrowded
or
poorly
repaired
homes,
with
90
of
them,
having
affordability
as
their
presenting
issue
and
you're.
Looking
at
almost
31
000
households,
not
including
all
of
the
other
groups,
I
mentioned
and
6.5
000
households
who
are
very
low
income
next
slide.
Please-
and
this
gives
a
sense
of
some
of
the
priority
populations.
S
Single
mother-led
households
across
Canada
are
the
most
likely
group
to
be
in
core
housing
need
in
a
little
over
one
in
four
single
mother-led
households
in
Ottawa
are
in
core
housing
need
new
migrant
and
Refugee
claimant.
Households
also
are
very
likely
to
be
in
core
housing
need.
One
of
the
reasons
why
indigenous
households
aren't
more
likely
to
be
in
core
housing
need.
Is
that
many
of
them
are
homeless,
and
so
they
aren't
counted
in
core
housing?
Need
next
slide
please,
so
this
is
sort
of
the
current
market
rents
for
a
one
bedroom
apartment.
S
S
The
vacancy
rate
for
auto
apartments
at
rent
at
less
than
1200
a
month
is
0.6
for
apartments
over
13.50,
the
vacancy
rate
is
over
five
percent.
But
again,
there's
this
absolute
paucity,
lack
of
low-cost
apartments,
and
really
it's
only
thank
you
Jeff.
It's
only
the
market
simply
can't
provide
Homes
at
this
cost
again.
I
could
go
on
and
on
about
the
problems.
I
think
I
need
to
focus
now
on
the
solutions
next
slide,
please
so
the
best
long-term
solution
to
homelessness
and
inadequate
housing
is
scaling
up.
S
S
Right
so
just
some
reminders
for
those
who
say
it
isn't
possible.
Sweden
built
one
million
Homes
at
the
time.
Sweden
had
7.5
million
people
over
10
years
in
1965
to
74,
and
that
would
be
the
equivalent
in
Canada's
6
million
homes.
Today
most
of
them
were
non-profit,
most
of
them
were
prefab.
Modular,
and
you
know
people
are
looking
at
the
cmhc
report
that
says
5.8
million
homes
in
the
next
decade
and
going
impossible.
S
It
was
possible
in
Sweden
in
the
60s
Finland
eliminated,
virtually
eliminated
chronic
homelessness,
less
than
500
across
the
country
and
they're
building
to
25
public
housing,
30
percent
Co-op
and
45
private
Market
markets,
and
they
built
8
000
new
social
homes
last
year
in
a
country
of
5.5
million,
so
the
equivalent
in
Ottawa
would
be
1500
a
year.
So
it's
not
impossible.
S
Vancouver
built
over
350
new
non-profit
homes
on
four
rather
small
or
city-owned
sites
over
three
years
and
is
committed
to
a
thousand
more
on
11
sites,
and
they
estimated
that
there's
a
25
discount
from
using
free
leased
land
and
a
further
32
percent
discount
by
using
a
non-profit
developer
in
a
2019
study.
Next
slide.
Please.
S
Right,
so
here
is
the
methodology
that
we
used.
We
had
many
excellent
people
on
the
advisory
committee,
including
Ottawa
Community,
Housing,
Ottawa,
Community,
Land,
Trust,
Ottawa,
Aboriginal,
commission,
co-op,
housing,
Federation
of
Canada
I,
think
you'll
be
hearing
from
a
few
of
them
today,
and
we
also
had
a
lot
of
assistance
both
from
a
colleague
Melissa
Goldstein
in
Toronto
and
Pro
forma's
from
cadco
and
I,
see
cadco's
here
today.
S
Next
slide,
please
so
Ottawa
is
blessed
in
having
a
lot
of
well-located
vacant
or
underused
land
again
the
project
I'm
associated
with
heart
identified
over
200
well-located
vacant
or
underutilized
government-owned
sites,
not
just
Ottawa,
but
across
Canada
next
slide.
Please
Ottawa
has
a
strong
social
housing
sector,
15
000
homes
from
Ottawa,
Community
Housing,
as
well
as
a
community
land
trust
that
could
aggregate
the
assets
of
seven
thousand
other
non-profit
homes
next
slide.
Please.
S
I
and
Ottawa
has
strong
official
plan
commitments
to
support,
affordable
housing
through
development,
fee
and
property
tax,
waivered,
minimized
parking
requirements,
density
bonuses
and
expedited
approvals.
So
the
ingredients
are
all
there
for
Success
next
slide.
Please
so
large-scale
sites
bring
an
additional
discount
again.
If
I
had
a
little
more
time.
S
I
could
talk
to
you
about
some
sites
in
Europe
same
size,
cities
are
smaller
that
are
building
ten
thousand
homes
on
large-scale
sites,
St
Lawrence
neighborhood
times
two
and
modular
prefab
housing
has
been
used
successfully
to
quickly
bring
on
board
Supportive
Housing
that
can
help
move
towards
a
housing
first
perspective
next
slide.
Please,
the
city
of
Ottawa,
like
Calgary,
could
have
an
affordable
housing
office
that
has
One-Stop
shopping,
to
help
with
Federal
and
provincial
grants,
assistance
to
churches
and
other
groups
with
land
delegated
rapid
approvals
is
possible
and
design
Excellence
as
possible.
S
S
R
To
dive
in
for
the
closer
yeah,
we've
had
the
pleasure
of
meeting
with
almost
every
single
one
of
you.
As
I
said
at
the
beginning,
and
we've
heard
all
of
you
express
investment
and
care
for
this
issue
in
Ottawa.
You
know
that
the
housing
crisis
looks
like
one
bedroom
apartments
at
two
thousand
dollars.
It
looks
like
full-time
University
students
in
Emergency
Shelters
because
they
can't
afford
housing.
R
It
looks
like
people
working
full-time
at
factories
as
personal
support
workers
going
home
to
sleep
in
a
shelter,
and
it
looks
like
people
in
our
community
calling
your
offices
because
their
buildings
are
about
to
be
sold
and
they're
going
to
be
evicted.
We
know
that
seniors
can't
downsize
in
their
communities.
We
know
that
people
are
choosing
between
rent
and
food,
and
we
know
that
businesses
can't
hire
people
because
they
can't
afford
to
live
in
this
city
anymore,
we're
losing
our
talent,
because
people
don't
or
unable
to
afford
to
live
in
Ottawa.
R
In
short,
the
housing
and
homelessness
crisis.
It
threatens
our
growth,
it
threatens
our
Municipal
finances
and
it
ruins
lives
in
in
2020,
Economist
Sam
Bowman
wrote
an
article
called
the
housing
Theory
of
Everything.
He
describes
how
fixing
this
one
big
thing:
the
housing
crisis
can
actually
fix
a
whole
lot
of
other
seemingly
unrelated
challenges.
Everything
I've
just
named
is
at
its
core
a
housing
issue.
R
It's
not
fair
that
the
least
resource
level
of
government
has
the
most
responsibility
to
challenge
big
challenging
issues
like
housing
and
homelessness,
but
that
is
where
we
are
other
levels
of
government.
Don't
need
do
not
do
need
to
come
to
the
table
in
serious
ways,
but
it
starts
with
us
doing
everything
we
can
within
our
control
to
tackle
this
issue.
In
my
experience,
reducing
homelessness
and
tackling
the
housing
crisis
always
starts
locally.
Vision,
concrete
action
and
sheer
tenacity
from
local
leaders
is
what
begins
to
turn
the
table.
R
This
report
is
intended
on
what
to
build
on
what
all
Ottawa
already
has
within
its
control
leveraging
public
land,
a
history
of
using
strong,
affordable
housing,
zoning
and
tax
neighborers,
and
a
really
strong
sector
who's
ready
to
scale
up.
The
upcoming
housing
accelerator
fund
is
an
opportunity
for
Ottawa
to
get
some
real
money
for
non-profit
housing
from
other
levels
of
government,
but
we
need
to
show
that
we
will
use
every
tool
we
have
to
scale
up
in
order
to
make
our
city
a
world-class
place
to
live.
R
The
single
best
investment
we
can
make
is
in
non-profit
housing,
affordable
housing
attracts
Talent,
it
reduces
poverty
and
Social
Challenges,
and
it
shows
Vision.
It
is
cheaper,
smarter
and
the
most
compassionate
way
to
ensure
that
we
have
the
best
city
for
all.
We
can
get
there
and
I'm
glad
to
be
working
with
all
of
you
to
do
so.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much
to
both
it's
a
it's.
A
it's.
A
great
report
and
I
know
that
folks
will
want
to
take
a
closer
look
at
it
after
this
meeting
as
well.
We
do
have
two
motions
to
be
put
on
the
table
now
and
then
I'll
invite
people
to
ask
questions
of
Carolyn.
Oh
sorry,
we'll
move
into
public
delegations
staff
from
housing
are
here,
so
there's
an
opportunity
to
ask
them
questions
as
well,
but
first
let
me
get
the
emotions
on
the
table.
E
Yes,
I
do
so,
whereas
when
the
report
was
published
with
the
meeting
agenda
on
April
21st,
it
was
inadvertently
missing
the
page
containing
the
land
acknowledgment
and
whereas
a
revised
report
has
been
provided
to
committee
and
the
remainder
of
the
report
is
unchanged.
Therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
the
planning
and
housing
committee
receive
and
replace
document
one
with
the
revised
document.
One
on
file
with
the
office
of
the
city,
clerk.
K
Yes,
thank
you
very
much,
whereas
the
city
of
Ottawa
vacancy
rate
was
at
2.2
percent
in
October,
2022
and
whereas
the
city
of
Ottawa
has
an
established
10-year
housing
plan,
housing
and
homelessness
plan
for
2020
to
2030
and
whereas
the
alliance
to
end
homelessness,
Ottawa
has
presented
its
report.
Titled,
our
city
starts
with
home
scaling
up
non-profit
housing
in
Ottawa
to
the
planning
and
housing
committee.
K
Therefore,
be
it
resolve
that
staff
receive
the
alliance
to
end
homelessness
report
and
consider
its
recommendations
when
identifying
programs
and
initiatives
for
the
city's
forthcoming
submission
to
the
federal
housing
accelerator
fund.
When
refreshing,
the
10-year
housing
and
homelessness
plan
and
when
planning
other
initiatives
in
support
of
the
municipal
housing
pledge.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Council
Curry
we'll
deal
with
that
one
as
well
ahead
of
receiving
the
report.
I
anticipate
that
members
are
going
to
have
questions
of
Staff
about
how
the
recommendations
that
are
contained
within
the
scaling
up
housing
report
are
going
to
influence
our
upcoming
application
to
the
accelerator
fund.
So,
looking
forward
to
hearing
more
about
that,
Mr.
K
Is
it
I,
just
I
really
just
want
to
quickly
introduce
it
and
honestly
Mr
chair
I,
want
to
thank
you
number
one
for
making
sure
that
this
is
on
our
agenda.
It
could
have
been
an
attachment
to
a
report
like
to
attachment
to
an
email.
I
mean
where
we
all
just
went.
Oh
wow,
that's
a
nice
good
report.
This
is
much
more
important.
I
think.
K
A
lot
of
things
we
do
are
important,
but
I
really
want
to
thank
you
for
making
sure
it
actually
came
to
committee,
and
the
other
thing
I
want
to
say
is.
My
name
is
on
this
motion
because
somebody
has
to
move
a
motion,
but
it
could
have
been
anybody.
Everyone
thinks
the
same
thing.
We
have
a
mayor
who's
whose
priority
is
housing
and
I.
Think
when
you
have
a
report
like
this,
it
holds
a
ton
of
weight
and
I.
Really.
Thank
you
so
much
for
writing.
K
It
bring
it
to
our
attention
and
making
sure
it
is
this
much
in
front
of
us.
The
other
other
thing,
I
would
say
is
it
starts
with
home,
but
with
us
Mr
chair,
it
starts
with
a
very
good
plan
and
money
and
that's
what
our
role
is
here
and
that's
what?
Hopefully,
this
will
result
in
with
the
housing
accelerator
fund
money?
You
know
we
can't
just
keep
saying
it's
that
somebody
else's
problem.
A
A
I
hadn't
anticipated
that
worst
chair
ever
what
I
would
like
to
do
is
ask
that
you
folks
stick
around
until
the
end
and
then
after
delegations,
as
people
have
questions
for
staff
or
for
the
authors,
we'll
we'll
delve
deeper
into
that.
Is
that
okay
with
you
is
that
okay
with
the
the
members
fantastic?
So
let's
move
into
the
delegations,
then
so
we
have
the
benefits
of
the
of
their
comments.
A
T
This
report
comes
at
a
really
critical
time
and
I
want
to
acknowledge
the
moment
as
homelessness
is
on
the
rise
and,
as
we
know
that
average
rent
increases
in
recent
months
are
between
15
and
18
for
units
that
are
changing
over
to
new
tenants
and
so
to
advance
new
Solutions.
We
really
need
to
draw
on
every
tool
that
we
have,
which
is
what
makes
this
report
so
exciting,
because
it
allows
us
to
rise
to
this
moment
and
I
want
to
focus
on
the
recommendations
regarding
land.
T
As
Carolyn
noted
earlier
in
a
report
they
came
to
council
several
years
ago.
20
government-owned
sites
that
are
situated
near
ottawa's,
LRT
Network,
were
identified
by
staff
as
suitable
for
affordable
housing
and
I
know
that
you
all
agree
that
we
need
affordable
housing
on
every
corner
of
the
city
and,
what's
exciting
about
these
20
sites,
is
they
cover
many
of
those
Corners?
T
They
include
Orleans,
downtown
Lincoln,
Fields,
Overbrook,
Bar,
Haven,
Southeast,
nepea
and
Bayview
yards
and
others,
and
so
when
the
city's
10-year
plan
on
housing
and
homelessness
was
debated
the
next
year
in
2020,
it
actually
recommended
the
creation
of
a
land
strategy
for
affordable
housing,
referencing
the
availability
of
these
Parcels
of
land.
So
how
are
we
going
to
expedite
unlocking
these
sites
for
development
and,
of
course,
when
allocating
Parcels
of
land,
we
need
to
ask
how
that
public
land
might
benefit
the
most
residents
and
Advance.
T
The
city's
response
for
human
needs
and
I
suggest
that
affordable
housing
does
just
that.
Similarly,
we
need
to
ensure
that
the
city
and
residents
receive
a
maximum
return
for
this
investment.
When
land
is
transferred
to
and
retained
by
the
non-profit
sector.
We
would
not
only
will
we
get
affordable
housing
for
10
or
25
years,
but
we'll
see
the
development
of
permanent
and
often
deepening,
affordable
housing.
T
Now
is
the
report
notes.
Ottawa
is
fortunate
to
have
a
strong
sector
in
the
Ottawa
Community
Land
Trust
is
willing
to
be
a
partner
as
we
do
this
together.
The
report
and
and
Carolyn
this
morning
referred
to
the
community
landfest
in
Vancouver
the
city
of
Vancouver
scaled
up,
its
affordable
housing
through
a
partnership
with
the
BC
Community
Land
Trust,
which
some
referred
you
as
a
social
Enterprise
development
companies
in
2013,
the
city
released
to
the
Community
Land
Trust
for
ten
dollars
for
99-year
leases.
T
T
The
land
trust
developed
across
subsidy
rental
models
that
one
of
the
sites
could
be
set
up:
Market,
rent
levels
with
a
cash
flow
from
that
site,
subsidizing
others,
rented
at
affordable
levels,
effectively
market
rate
units
for
subsidizing,
others,
which
is
the
benefit
of
a
common
owner
and
a
single
portfolio
across
a
multiple
number
of
sites.
The
model
was
so
successful.
T
It's
actually
been
scaled
since
then-
and
this
is
all
interesting
because
here
in
Ottawa,
when
the
city
updated
its
20
its
10-year
plan
in
2020.,
it
actually
recommended
that
the
community
explore
the
creation
of
a
land
bank
or
Community
Land
Trust
for
affordable
housing.
Now
Incorporated
in
2021,
the
Ottawa
Community
Land
Trust
is
Keen
to
explore
how
we
can
serve
as
a
bridge
between
the
city
and
our
community's
non-profit
and
co-op
housing
providers
to
explore
the
applicability
of
this
model
right
here
in
Ottawa.
T
It's
the
same
reason:
we're
working
to
acquire
existing
rental
housing
to
build
a
balance
sheet,
just
multiple
assets
that
can
be
leveraged
to
you
even
more,
unfortunately,
we're
not
alone.
We
know
they're,
strong,
Community,
Support
and
I
know
that
the
oclt
is
quite
new,
but
we're
aiming
to
build
a
vehicle
that
can
maximize
Community
outcomes,
including
vis-a-vis
use
of
public
land.
T
Now
I've
only
been
with
the
land
trust
for
a
few
months,
but
the
conversations
that
I've
been
a
part
of
with
most
of
you
and
others
are
actually
quite
encouraging
and
inspiring.
Several
of
you
have
highlighted
parts
of
the
land
and
your
awards
that
you'd
like
to
see
developed
into
affordable
housing,
I've
met
with
Community
associations
who
want
to
see
affordable
housing
considered
as
they
work
on
secondary
site
plans.
T
Our
career-friend
groups
actually
wanting
to
develop,
affordable
housing
on
Park
and
rides
in
their
communities
and
I've
also
met
with
at
least
two
well
organized
groups
wanting
to
start
new
housing.
Co-Ops
I
say
all
of
this,
because
it
makes
me
believe
that
wheatson
actually
be
a
little
more
ambitious.
There's
land
there's
long
experience
and
emerging
groups
that
wish
to
leverage
that
land
and
there
are
models
that
we
can
learn
from
and
I
think
our
residents
want
more
solutions,
so
in
closing
I
hope
the
city
to
do
attention
to
each
of
these
recommendations.
T
A
A
U
It
feels
like
I've,
been
coming
to
this
committee
for
many
many
years
talking
about
it
as
well
and
just
over
three
years
ago,
the
city
of
Ottawa
declared
a
housing
homelessness
emergency,
but
these
this
is
a
slow-moving
emergency.
Isn't
it
it's
been
building
for
a
long
time
getting
a
bit
worse
every
year
and
it's
almost
like
we
become
acclimatized
to
situations
that
are
clearly
unacceptable.
U
You
know
we're
at
the
point
where
we're
seeing
that
that
asking
rents
for
available
apartments
in
the
city
of
Ottawa
are
going
up
by
15
year
over
year.
One
out
of
every
five
renters
is
in
core
housing.
That's
80,
000
people
and
the
Ottawa
got
no
area
that
cannot
afford
the
rent
where
they
live.
Right
now
and
a
couple
of
months
after
the
city
declared
a
housing
and
homelessness
emergency,
we
were
faced
with
a
fast-moving
emergency
right,
a
public
health
emergency.
And
what
did
we
do?
U
We
created
emergency
income,
Assistance
programs.
We
reacted
to
the
emergency
quickly
taking
emergency
actions,
but
for
these
slow-moving
emergencies,
why
do
we
continue
to
move
so
slowly?
I'll
pull
one
example
from
the
the
scaling
up:
social
housing
and
Ottawa
report
committing
all
of
the
city-owned
transit
oriented
development
sites
for
affordable
housing,
development
and
I
worked
with
the
city
five
or
six
years
ago
on
on
the
working
group
that
helped
the
city
come
up
with
these
sites
and
and
identify
and
prioritize
them.
U
But
why
are
we
releasing
them
at
a
at
a
slow
drift
in
an
acknowledged
emergency,
or
are
we
waiting
for
the
perfect
conditions,
we're
waiting
for
All
of
the
Stars
to
line
up
with
Federal
and
provincial
funding?
It's
not
going
to
happen
and
as
we're
waiting,
our
our
neighbors
are
couch
surfing.
Folks
are
living
in
tents.
People
are
cutting
back
on
healthy
food
lining
up
at
food
banks
just
so
that
they
can
make
that
month's
rent.
U
So
we
need
to
release
all
of
these
sites
now
and
see
what
kind
of
creative
proposals
come
forward
from
from
the
community
housing
sector,
and
then
you
need
to
find
another
20
sites
and
keep
on
going
from
there,
because
there
are
at
least
another
20
sites.
Will
these
projects
be
perfect?
No
will
they
make
an
emergency
a
bit
better?
Yes
and
Ottawa
has
one
of
the
strongest
and
I
can
say
this:
the
strongest
community
housing
sectors
in
the
country.
U
U
Are
we
waiting
for
the
city
to
magically
have
all
of
the
resources
it
needs
to
move
forward
on
this
perfectly?
Well,
don't
don't
hold
your
breath
so
here's
a
report
produced
from
the
creativity
and
initiative
of
the
community
housing
and
homelessness
sector
with
City
staff
with
Ottawa
Community
Housing
with
many
many
local
experts
on
the
research
steering
committee
here
are
the
practical
steps
that
we
can
do
and
a
lot
of
them
should
be
very
familiar
to
you.
They
come
from
the
city's
own
commitments,
so
creating
consistent
definitions
of
affordability
check.
U
That's
in
the
city's
10-year
housing
and
homelessness
plan
building
a
thousand
units
of
community
housing.
Every
year
check,
mayor
Sutcliffe
has
made
that
commitment
already
prioritizing
city-owned
Transit
oriented
demand
sites
for
Community
Housing
Development
check
commitment.
The
city's
already
made
working
with
the
Community
Land
Trust
check.
It's
in
the
10-year
housing
and
homelessness
plan.
U
Implementing
a
community
benefits
agreement
framework
check.
Yet
again,
it's
in
the
city's
10-year,
homeless
and
and
housing
program
city
government
is
where
the
rubber
hits
the
road.
It's
where
the
action
is.
Do
you
need
Federal
and
provincial
leadership?
Actually,
no,
you
need
Federal
and
provincial
resources
and
funding.
We
need
local
city
leadership.
U
A
L
Thank
you,
Ray,
and
also
thanks
to
Mike
as
well.
I
appreciate
all
the
work
you're
doing
and
as
I'll
put
on
my
other
hat
chair
of
Ottawa
Community
Housing
and
we're
trying
to
work
moving
forward,
and
we
are
doing
not
too
bad.
We're
I
was
supposed
to
be
going
to
wearing
kickoff
of
Rochester
Heights
today,
but
I
don't
think
I'll
make
it.
We
are
building
housing
in
in
the
much
in
the
model
of
what
was
spoken
about
with
the
mixed
housing.
L
L
Quite
a
few
of
them
are
actually
in
my
ward,
they're
smart
little
small
little
Parcels
that
got
created
because
of
the
train
going
through,
and
so
we've
got
these
bonus
land,
so
I
just
want
to
know
how
we
can
work
together
because
I
think
that's
really
important
in
in
figuring
all
this
out.
But
obviously
funding
is
a
big
factor.
We
rely
on
on
the
feds
to
to
come
to
the
rescue,
so
I,
it's
a
factor
and
the
other
big
factor
is,
is
just
other
spun.
C
L
U
Yeah
absolutely
and
there's
there's
a
so
much
creativity
in
the
local
sector
and-
and
you
know,
hats
off
to
the
Unitarian
Church
I
think
also
in
in
your
ward-
that
transferred
land
to
Ontario,
Aboriginal
Housing
Services
for
for
new
Housing
Development
recently
as
well.
Ottawa
Community
Housing
is
one
of
the
leaders
in
the
country.
You
know
they
are
on
stride.
They
are
creative
they're
getting
things
done.
U
U
Maybe
you
don't
have
the
perfect
deep
affordability,
the
number
of
units,
everything
you
need
up
front
at
the
beginning
of
the
development
project,
but
you
have
what
you
can
do
and
you
start
working
on
that
and
then
you
see
as
you
go
through.
How
can
we
make
it
more
affordable?
How
can
we
add
more
services?
How
can
we
build
on
what's
better
but
waiting
for
it
to
be
perfect
before
you
take
the
first
step
means
never
taking
the
first
step
and-
and
we
collectively
do
a
little
bit
a
little
bit
too
much
of
that.
U
So
you
know:
securing
land
is
the
first
step
figuring
out
to
build
a
building.
Is
the
Second
Step?
How
do
you
make
the
units?
Affordable
is
the
third
step.
How
do
you
make
some
of
them
deeply
affordable?
How
do
you
bring
in
Support
Services?
You
don't
have
to
do
all
the
steps
at
once,
but
you
have
to
start
with
the
first
step.
L
A
V
You
very
much
thank
you
for
having
me
here
today.
So
as
a
city,
we
struggle
to
fund
projects
that
can
have
positive
social
transformative
outcomes
when
we
do
commit
funding
it's
often
too
little
to
be
truly
effective
when
we
decide
to
build
public
housing
or
amenities
like
Parks
or
community
centers
or
similar
public
spaces.
V
We're
too
complacent,
we
lack
the
Bold
Vision
to
pursue
the
Excellence
that
we
need,
and
this
is
rooted
in
a
risk
aversion
model,
punitive
contracts
that
exclude
talent
and
requests
for
proposals
that
undermine
the
public
interest
and
demand
things
like
cash
discounts
on
award
of
contract.
If
the
city
complies
with
its
own
legal
obligations,
this
undermines
the
desire
of
talent
to
want
to
respond
to
publicly
funded
requests
for
proposal.
V
We
don't
budget
nearly
enough
and
are
content
to
let
the
private
sector
provide
short-term,
limited
affordability
through
cmhc
funding
that
has
a
recently
doubled
the
cost
of
doing
business
through
their
mli
program,
which
makes
it
harder
to
deliver
the
sustainable,
affordable
homes.
We
need
we're
content
to
let
public-private
Partnerships
take
on
that
risk
and
we
can
see
from
the
LRT
and
Lansdowne
how
well
that's
worked,
and
we
need
to
remember
that
P3
contracts
and
that
kind
of
partnership
can
cost
more
take
longer
and
deliver
lower
value.
V
By
contrast,
Edmonton
is
a
center
of
design
excellence
and
Hosts
International
design,
competitions
for
missing
metal,
infill
housing
on
publicly
owned
land.
These
are
projects
that
are
then
delivered
on
time
and
on
budget
every
single
time.
Edmonton
for
comparison
is
a
city
of
the
same
population
as
Ottawa
property
taxes
cost
the
same
in
Edmonton
as
they
do
in
Ottawa,
and
Edmonton
is
committed
to
spending
two
billion
dollars
on
public
infrastructure
and
public
projects
over
the
next
four
years.
That's
an
admirable
Choice.
V
It
makes
Edmonton
a
leader
nationally
and
internationally
in
how
to
build
high
quality,
Municipal
infrastructure.
We
know
that
that's
what
we
need
to
make
our
city
the
place
we
aspire
to
be.
We
have
the
potential
for
excellence
in
our
city.
Our
city-owned
land
can
be
transformative
by
bringing
positive
outcomes
to
the
people
who
need
it
most.
V
V
We
have
an
opportunity
to
think
creatively
to
be
Innovative
and
to
lead.
We
should
want
every
city
in
Canada
to
look
to
the
city
of
Ottawa
to
be
more
than
a
place
of
failed
LRT
procurements
and
to
do
better.
We
are
better
than
that
and
I
know
that
we
are.
We
can
be
a
role
model
for
excellence
in
meeting
the
needs
of
our
most
vulnerable
population
with
sustainable,
socially
transformative
public
housing.
V
V
We
need
to
adopt
an
approach
to
design
as
a
holistic
problem-solving
exercise
to
tackle
urgently
the
Urgent
crises
that
we
Face
housing,
Health,
Care,
climate
and
well-being
are
all
affected
by
how
we
design
how
we
design
and
how
well
we
deliver.
The
result
is
a
direct
product
of
how
we
hire.
We
need
to
reform
our
approach
to
commissioning
projects,
so
these
critical
projects
are
Advanced
with
creativity,
equity
and
fairness
to
deliver
the
built
form
that
our
residents
not
only
need
but
demand.
V
We
need
to
be
prepared
to
take
bold
action
to
lead
and
listen
to
advice
from
Decades
of
precedent
from
around
the
world
and
how
to
create
better
places
for
people.
This
urgency
is
created
through
a
process
that
is
Nimble.
Our
conventional
procurement
processes
are
anything,
but
let's
make
our
best
Ottawa
by
endorsing
this
report,
using
it
as
a
call
to
action
and
setting
ambitious
goals
for
leadership
28
seconds
to
go.
Thank
you
very
much.
X
D
D
First
I'd
like
to
take
the
opportunity
to
thank
the
committee
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
here
today.
Good,
affordable
housing
is
in
great
demand
in
our
city.
We
know
this
even
in
our
little
Co-op
from
our
own
waiting
lists.
We've
had
a
new
member,
just
move
in
who
has
been
on
our
list
for
over
five
years
now.
I
know,
that's
not
new
information
to
the
committee
and
I
know
the
social
Housing
Registry
has
massive
waiting
lists
as
well.
So
in
what
we'd
like
to
say
is
we
support
the
recommendations
of
the
report?
D
There's
a
great
need
for
more
non-profit
housing
in
Ottawa.
We
want
the
city
to
incorporate
these
recommendations
into
their
planning
and
policy
decisions.
Why
should
the
city
do
this?
Well,
we
understand
that
working
on
this
problem
will
require
multiple
approaches:
leverage
ottawa's,
co-ops,
non-profits,
Supportive,
Housing
indigenous
groups
to
chip
away
at
the
city's
housing
availability
and
affordability
issues.
D
D
One
recommendation
within
the
report
is
unlocking
land
to
non-profit
housing
providers,
for
example,
presents
an
opportunity
for
the
committee
to
have
significant
impact
and
relatively
quickly
I
think
you
know
we
could
start
seeing
projects
getting
launched
and
and
working
from
there.
This
leadership
will
pressure
other
levels
of
government
agencies
and
government-funded
organizations
so
that
they
follow
suit.
We
need,
you
know,
we
all
know
we
have
a
ton
of
federal
land
in
Ottawa.
D
We
need
to
show
some
leadership
and
say
it's
time
for
you
to
step
up
as
well,
and
then
we
can
also
look
for
some
funding
as
a
long-standing
non-profit,
affordable
housing
provider.
That
has
just
learned
that
the
University
at
Ottawa
has
no
intention
of
renewing
our
lease
after
2028
Sandy
Hill
housing
Cooperative
would
certainly
benefit
from
those
from
the
city,
unlocking
its
lands
for
non-profits.
D
D
I
D
Are
we
lease
Our
Land
from
the
University
of
Ottawa
and
they
want
to
build
more
residences,
so
we
are
now
homeless.
As
of
2028,
we
are
62
units,
half
of
which
I
would
say,
40,
40
of
which
are
three
bedrooms,
and
four
bedrooms
and
the
rest
are
half
of
our
two
bedrooms
and
that
other
10
is
one
bedrooms.
So.
I
D
My
office,
so
we've
been
actively
pursuing
all
kinds
of
connections
and
looking
for
Partnerships,
whether
it
be
with
politicians
talking
to
politicians,
also
looking
at
talking
to
the
housing
department
talking
with
developers
talking
with
anybody
who
will
talk
with
us,
we
do
have
some
capital,
we're
not
you
know
totally
without
resources,
but
we
need
a
piece
of
land
and
if
we
had
a
piece
of
land
we
could
move
pretty
quickly.
We
had
already
developed
two
plans
for
densification
on
our
property.
At
the
University.
We
have
our
team.
D
D
Y
D
Have
all
over
the
old
St
Pat's
property
over
there?
Yes,
so
we
are
in
the
process
of
getting
a
hold
of
candlelands.
Monofertier
is
our
MP
and
has
been
slightly
distracted
in
the
last
few
weeks
we
just
found
out.
We
just
announced
this
to
our
membership
on
April
2nd,
so
we've
been
hitting
the
road
running
since
that
date.
Z
D
AA
AA
How
do
we
retain
where
you
are,
so
you
can
retain
your
homes
and
stay
at
the
existing
locations,
so
the
advantage
that
your
timelines
in
the
co-op
that
I
believe
one
of
my
colleagues
to
my
right
used
to
live
in
is
facing
is
that
we
have
some
time
for
all
parties
to
get
together
and
work
out
a
solution,
but
I
just
wanted
to
say
you're,
not
alone,
but
the
goal
should
collectively
be
not
let's
find
another
place
for
these
folks
to
move
to,
but
retain
the
site
they're
at
right
now.
So
thank
you.
I.
D
Don't
disagree
but
you
know
we
have
a
landlord
and
we
have
a
lease
and
we
have
a
legal
contract
that
we
have
to
abide
to.
So
if
the
city
wants
to
talk
to
the
university
and
say
hey,
we
think
you
need
to
reconsider
your
plans.
That's
well
within
your
position
to
do.
We
don't
have
a
lot
of
Leverage
with
them,
they're
a
very
large
organization
and
we're
a
small
Co-op.
D
Now
we're
not
the
only
co-op
on
University
property,
there's
St
George's
Co-op
up
the
street
on
Anderson
and
councilor
plant
actually
lives
in
that
Co-op
and
as
far
as
I
know,
they're
in
the
same
position,
their
lease
is
coming
up
at
the
same
point,
I
don't
have
details
on
that.
So
I
can't
speak
to
their
exact
circumstance,
but
we
do
we
are
meeting
with
their
board
next
week.
AB
Hi
hi
everybody.
Thank
you
very
much
for
having
me
counselors
I'm
a
bit
shook
my
I
used
to
live
in
the
Sandy,
Hill,
Co-op
and
and
I'm
feeling
for
my
former
neighbors
and
and
community
members.
As
I
was
just
hearing
Glenn's
deputation
there
I'm
a
I'm,
a
lawyer
and
a
public
policy
professional
and
I
work
on
housing
policy
for
the
Canadian
Union
of
public
employees,
but
I'm,
not
here
representing
the
union
I'm
here.
AB
I've
worked
with
refugees,
folks
living
with
disabilities,
migrant
Justice
work
and
I
can
tell
you
that
a
Common
Thread
through
all
of
that
work
has
been
housing
when
refugees
arrive,
we
need
to
first
ask:
where
are
they
going
to
live
when
folks
are
living
with
disabilities
if
they
lose
their
housing?
Their
risk
of
death
increases
significantly.
As
a
as
racialized
folks
are
threatened
with
with
housing
and
security,
the
risk
of
living
in
poverty
living
without
supports
and
even
facing
hate
crimes
increases.
AB
So
there's
three
main
things
I
want
to
touch
on
here.
The
first
is
actually
gambling.
The
second
is
Supply
and
the
third
is
affordability,
so
on
gambling.
The
problem
that
we
have
is
that
we
have
very
few
rules
preventing
Bad
actors
from
gambling
with
housing
in
Canada.
It's
perfectly
legal
for
corporations
to
buy
and
sell
housing
just
to
make
money
being
inflate.
The
value
create
nothing
for
the
community
and
generate
revenue
for
their
shareholders
overnight.
AB
A
particular
unit
goes
from
affordable
to
unaffordable
they're,
also
fixated
on
turning
previously
affordable
units
into
income
generating
assets
for
their
investors.
Why?
Because
they
can
we
allow
them
to,
and
that
does
no
good,
there's
a
recognition
that
we
need
to
increase
housing
Supply
in
Canada.
But
what
does
increasing
Supply
mean
to
most
governments?
It
has
been.
It
has
just
meant:
build
build
and
build.
Theory
goes
that
increasing
Supply
will
build,
will
put
a
downward
pressure
on
prices
and
rents
will
stabilize
a
lot
of
the
National
Housing
strategy.
AB
Money
is
being
spent
in
this
in
this
way,
let's
just
figure
out
how
to
build
more
housing,
but
the
thing
is
not
all
housing.
Supply
is
a
good
housing
Supply
that
theory
may
work
for
beer,
but
housing
is
a
basic
need.
Maybe
we
can
argue
that
there
is
a
beer
is
a
basic
need,
but
if
it
were
true,
then,
given
that
investment
in
residential
residential
building
construction
has
doubled
since
2018.,
why
haven't
we
seen
runs?
Go
down?
AB
AB
We
should
be
hearing
them
say
well,
this
is
what
we're
currently
able
to
get
away
with
people
choosing
to
pay
50
of
their
income
for
an
apartment,
don't
want
to
pay
50
of
their
income,
they
do
it
because
they
have
no
choice,
so
rents
need
to
be
commensurate
but
then
come
they
need,
and
there
are
ways
to
measure
that
the
report
talks
about
that.
Market-Based
measures
make
very
little
sense.
We
often
hear
of
measures
like
85
percent
of
the
average
Market
rent,
for
example,
but
what
does
that
mean?
AB
85
of
something
that's
totally
out
of
control
is
still
85
out
of
control.
So
let's
focus
on
income-based
measures
for
affordability.
Let's
stop
the
loss
of
affordable
housing
and
focus
on
public
ownership.
Instead
of
selling
city
land
to
private
developers
lease
it
maintain
public
ownership
so
that
the
city
has
control
over
what
happens
next
in
Winnipeg,
an
affordable
housing
initiative
that
operated
for
30
years
has
sold
their
property
to
the
highest
bidder,
at
least
in
part,
because
no
level
of
government
had
any
stake
in
the
project
anymore.
AB
The
Alberta
firm
that
bought
the
building
boasts
on
their
website
that
they
want
to
turn
underperforming
units
into
income
generating
units
and
that's
what
affordable
housing
is
to
them.
Underperforming
units
mid-market
units
units
that
need
to
be
repositioned,
and
now
overnight
dozens
of
seniors
are
at
risk
of
losing
their
home,
the
biggest
obstacle
to
eliminating
homelessness
and
ensuring
housing.
Affordability
is
not
red
tape,
so-called
red
tape
or
zoning
bylaws.
AB
So,
let's
build
more
publicly
on
housing
and
stop
relying
on
for-profit
developers
to
find
a
solution.
Profit-Seeking
companies
have
no
interest
in
affordability.
Let's
stop
pretending
that
they
will
deliver
it.
Let's
focus
on
quality,
not
quantity.
We
need
non-market
housing.
We
simply
do
not
need
public
dollars
focused
on
building
more
Market
housing.
AB
The
market
is
what
got
us
into
this
mess
in
the
first
place,
so
let's
focus
public
dollars
on
the
public
interest,
not
private
profit.
That's
about
public
housing,
co-op,
housing
and
non-profit
housing.
That
is
what
will
guarantee
deep
affordability.
Generational
affordability,
Ottawa
has
been
a
leader
on
the
housing
file,
not
just
provincially,
but
nationally.
We
can
continue
to
lead
the
way
this
report
is
showing
us
a
clear,
Way
Forward
that
non-market
housing
is
what
creates
a
measurable
impact
to
address
housing.
Affordability
in
our
city.
AB
A
I
Hi
DJ,
thank
you
for
being
here.
I,
fully
agree
that
we
need
to
scale
up
non-profit
and
public
owned
housing.
The
only
thing
I
just
wanted
to
comment
is
that
a
lot
of
the
issues
around
out
of
control
rents
rests
with
the
province
and
I
know.
I
personally
have
been
advocating.
First
of
all,
we
have
no
tenancy
control,
so
this
is
the
problem
attendant
moves
out.
A
landlord
can
raise
rent
as
much
as
they
want
between
tenants
and
there's.
I
Also,
no
provincially
legislated
rent
control
for
any
building,
that's
built
after
2018.,
so
I
just
wanted
to
put
that
on
the
record
that
I
agree
with
you.
We
need
more
public
housing,
but
the
vast
majority
of
people
do
live
in
privately
owned
housing
and
we're
not
going
to
change
that
immediately
or
anytime
soon,
and
so
a
lack
of
rent
control
is
having
a
devastating
impact
on
my
own
neighborhood
and
also
a
lack
of
tenancy
control.
Thank
you.
So
much.
I
You're
welcome
to
respond
just
to
say
that
we're
not
going
to
solve
the
the
the
rental
crisis
simply
alone
with
with
building
non-profit
housing.
We
couldn't
possibly
meet
the
scale
of
need,
so
provincial
assistance
on
rent
control
legislation
would
obviously
be
helpful,
but
I'm
not
super
confident
with
this
government.
A
X
My
name's
Anthony
leading
I'm,
an
architect
in
Ottawa
and
with
CSV
Architects
I've,
been
involved
for
more
than
four
decades
in
affordable
housing
as
an
architect
over
the
years
I've.
These
projects
have
included
a
number
of
programs
that
the
city
supported,
including
action.
Ottawa
we've
done
work
through
the
cmhc
co-investment
fund
and
currently
we're
doing
work
for
the
rapid,
Housing
Initiative,
which
is
being
administered
by
the
city
of
Ottawa,
and
these
projects
over
the
decades
have
addressed
a
variety
of
needs.
X
They
include
family
housing,
I've
done
work
on
Veterans
housing,
housing
for
women
for
homeless
and
and
Supportive
Housing,
so
have
a
little
bit
of
experience
in
the
sector,
I've
seen
first
hand
and
how
the
non-profit
sector
delivers
high
quality
housing,
because
their
stake
is
a
long-term
stake.
They
have
a
vested
interest
in
in
Better
Built
Homes
that
are
more
durable
than
Market
homes.
Often
Energy
Efficiency
is
important
because
it
reduces
long-term
operating
costs.
X
So
there's
a
commitment
there
that
happens
to
be
in
line
with
where
Society
is
going,
but
they've
been
thinking
about
it
for
years
and
and
perhaps
most
importantly,
this
housing
exists
in
perpetuity
and
doesn't
disappear
into
the
private
private
market
after
a
period
of
time.
So
I
support
this
report,
it
it
other
many
aspects
to
addressing
affordability,
many
tools,
but
this
report
targets
key
areas
that
are
within
the
city's
control
and
that's
basically,
land
zoning
and
and
development
applications
and
I'll
make
a
couple
of
comments
on
some
of
those.
X
The
density
is
something
that
could
be
addressed
very
much
so
and
we're
currently
running
into
problems
with
the
r4u
Zone,
which,
in
an
attempt
to
make
buildings
more
articulated
and
and
apparently
more
have
more
design
character,
are
making
buildings
more
complicated
to
construct
less
affordable.
So
we're
running
into
problems
of
of
additional
setbacks.
That
personally,
I
don't
think
are-
are
useful
glazing
areas
that
we're
asked
to
provide
on
on
Main
Streets,
which
exceed
building
code.
Minimums
in
fact
exceed
the
recommendations
for
Energy
Efficiency
building
in
the
in
the
National
codes.
Z
AC
AC
By
way
of
introduction,
matri
works
with
many
partners,
including
Civil
Society
organizations,
people
with
lived
experience
and
governments
to
further
their
recognition
and
protection
of
the
human
right
to
adequate
housing.
As
a
reminder,
the
human
right
to
housing
is
legally
recognized
in
Canada,
as
per
the
National
Housing
strategy
Act
of
2019.,
and
though
the
ACT
is
a
federal
statute,
it
implies.
It
applies
to
all
governments
in
Canada,
including
the
city
of
Ottawa.
AC
AC
Secondly,
the
report
calls
on
the
city
to
use
specific
local
tools
to
support
the
development
of
affordable
housing.
That
is,
the
report
recommends
several
ways
that
the
city
can
unlock
land
for
the
use
of
non-profit
housing
developers
and
providers,
such
as
by
committing
Municipal
lands
for
non-profit,
affordable
housing
like
the
sites
identified
in
ottawa's
2018
interdepartmental
task
force
on
affordable
housing
near
Transit
stations,
it
also
calls
for
changes
to
zoning
and
planning
rules
that
would
support
non-profit
Housing,
Development
and
multi-tenant
dwellings.
AC
These
recommendations
are
illustrations
of
how
a
municipal
government
like
the
city
of
Ottawa,
can
support
the
progressive
realization
of
the
human
right
to
housing
by
using
the
maximum
available
resources.
It
has
including
regulatory
mechanisms
to
help
people
realize
this
right.
Lastly,
the
report
calls
on
the
city
to
pursue
capital
and
operating
funding
from
federal
and
provincial
governments
for
the
creation
of
more
affordable
and
greatly
needed
housing.
This
includes
the
development
of
permanent,
deeply
affordable
housing
and
Supportive
Housing.
AC
A
You
very
much
for
the
presentation.
I
particularly
appreciated
the
very
succinct
listing
of
the
report.
Recommendations
and
I
know
we're
looking
forward
to
exploring
further
with
the
authors
of
the
report,
some
of
the
the
color
around
that
as
we
move
through
this
and
then
also
asking
staff
to
talk
to
us
about
what
they're
doing
already
on
some
of
those
recommendations.
So
I
appreciate
I
appreciate
that
overview.
Are
there
any
questions
for
members
see
none.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
delegation.
Today,
Steve
Ball.
AD
AD
We
are
seeing
issues
that
are
concerning
both
from
guest
perspectives,
but
also
from
a
staff
that
work
work
downtown
and
we
are
blaming
everything
on
the
unhoused,
but
certainly
a
large
portion
of
the
issues
are
driven
from
the
streets.
We
are
seeing
an
increased
sense
of
desperation
and
unacceptable
Behavior.
That's
impacting
our
ability
to
do
business
and
to
keep
our
guests
and
our
staff
safe.
AD
AD
It's
only
a
matter
of
time
before
we
have
multiple
encampments
and
our
downtown
public
parks,
like
we're,
seeing
in
other
cities
and
I
fear
one
day
that
we're
going
to
be
headed
towards
a
council
meeting
that
we're
discussing
where
all
the
tents
go,
and
if
that
should
scare
you
it
should.
It
scares
me
and
it's
going
to
make
it
much
more
difficult
for
us
as
a
tourism
Community
to
be
able
to
attract
people
to
this
city.
AD
We
hear
all
the
time
that
people
are
afraid
to
go
downtown,
and
actually
we
hear
from
the
people
living
on
these
streets
that
they're
afraid
to
be
downtown,
but
most
concerning
is
we're
hearing
too
often
from
guests
that
they're
afraid-
and
we
can
confirm
this
from
all
of
our
comments
that
we're
seeing
on
our
trip
advisor
comments.
In
fact,
we
had
one
that's
most
concerning
just
recently
where
a
woman
gets
to
supply
a
comment
that
she
was
afraid
to
go
out
alone
in
the
downtown
core.
AD
AD
So
the
message
for
me
today
is
that
the
current
housing
situation
was
also
making
it
harder
for
us
to
do
our
tourism
jobs
and
it's
certainly
affecting
the
guest
experience
which
is
affecting
our
ability
to
grow.
Our
industry
I
think
there's
from
what
I've
listened
to
this
morning.
There's
certainly
support
for
the
alliances
report
and
I'm
thrilled
to
hear
that.
AD
A
Thank
you
very
much,
I
think
it
was,
it
was
Ray
or
it
was
Katie
who
mentioned
the
the
fundamental
precondition
of
having
adequate
housing
for
people
in
the
city
in
order
for
everyone
to
prosper,
and
without
it
that
Foundation
is
is
precarious.
I
know
there
are
questions
for
you,
councilor
droster,
hi,.
I
I
This
up
is
because,
of
course,
we're
also
struggling
with
the
Ford
government's
completely
inadequate
allocation
to
the
city
of
Ottawa,
specifically
for
affordable
housing
with
supports,
which
is
the
piece
that
is
really
going
to
help
those
folks
who
might
be
displaying
erratic
behavior.
That
could
be
frightening
to
some
individuals,
so
I
just
wanted
to
make
that
distinction,
because
I
think
it's
really.
It's
really
important
again.
I
AD
Counselor
you're
correct
I
I've
been
sitting
on
the
shepherd's
Board
of
Directors
for
six
years
now,
because
I
did
want
to
fully
understand
social
agencies
and
how
they
function
within
our
community
and
you're.
Absolutely
right,
it's
hard
to
delineate
or
differentiate
the
different
conditions
that
people
are
under
when
they
suffer
homelessness,
but
it's
all
connected
you're
right
here.
It's
all
connected.
A
A
AE
We
represent
2
200
housing
co-ops
from
across
the
country
in
every
Province
and
territory
in
Ontario
there
are
550
co-ops
and
then
in
Ottawa
there
are
about
42
housing.
Co-Ops
represents
about
2,
800
households
and
I'm.
A
member
been
a
member
of
this
advisory
committee
on
this
report.
So
I'm
really
happy
to
speak
and
in
favor
of
these
recommendations
and
happy
to
see
other
colleagues
that
you've
been
hearing
from
this
morning
and
Glenn
and
Addie
from
from
our
local
co-ops
here.
AE
So
we
have
about
2
800
households
in
Ottawa
that
are
members
of
housing
cooperatives
who
collectively
own
their
homes.
This
form
of
housing
is
more
affordable
than
the
market
rentals,
because
most
co-ops
operate
on
a
non-for-profit
basis,
resulting
in
smaller
annual
rent
increases
because
they
are
mission
driven
their
affordability
becomes
part
of
their
ongoing
operations
in
perpetuity.
AE
Co-Op
housing
can
offer
the
security
of
ownership
at
a
more
affordable
rate
than
renting.
There
is
no
outside
landlord
who
might
sell,
move
in
or
have
an
incentive
to
renovate
existing
co-ops
continue
to
pay
dividends
to
the
City
by
providing
long-term
security
for
residents
and
mutual
support
for
our
diverse
range
of
households.
AE
A
recent
analysis
has
shown
that
in
five
major
Canadian
cities
studied
including
Ottawa
Co-op,
rents
or
housing
charges,
as
we
call
them
become
more
affordable
over
time
and
dramatically
more
affordable
compared
to
similar
Market
rental
units.
So
we
studied
Apples
to
Apples,
townhome,
to
town
home
one-bedroom
apartment
to
one-bedroom
apartments
and
back
in
2006.
Seven
and
eight
Co-op
rents
were
about
20
percent
lower
than
Market
rates,
and
this
Gap
has
widened
over
time.
So
now
we're
about
35
percent
less
than
the
market
rate
in
the
last
few
years.
AE
This
is
even
across
all
unit
sizes,
apartments
and
town
homes
so
said
differently
in
Ottawa,
the
average
two-bedroom
Co-op
rent
is
now
about
475
dollars.
Less
co-ops
benefited
from
public
investment
which
supported
the
construction
and
operation
in
their
early
years,
and
the
long-term
payoff
is
clear.
We
now
have
permanently
affordable
homes
in
the
city
that
enable
people
to
put
healthy
food
on
the
table,
save
for
their
children's
education
and
allow
people
to
live
securely.
AE
Think
about
the
inflationary
situation
we
are
facing,
you
know.
Where
else
can
you
say
that
costs
are
going
down,
is
going
down
in
co-op,
housing
and
now
Market
housing?
So
as
a
sector
across
the
country,
CHF
Canada
is
aligned
with
the
goals
and
the
recommendations
laid
out
to
the
committee
in
this
report.
AE
We've
long
advocated
for
the
release
of
surplus
land
to
minimal
or
no
cost
to
be
used
for
the
construction
of
non-market
housing.
Land
costs
are
often
the
single
biggest
deterrent
to
new,
affordable
housing
development
and
we
are
working
with
other
levels
of
government
orders
of
government
to
make
this
happen
because
the
housing
problems
we
Face
require
solutions
from
all
levels
of
government.
The
2002
federal
budget
launched
a
new
Cooperative
housing
development
program,
which
is
1
million
in
Grants,
one
sorry,
500
million
in
Grants
and
one
billion
in
loans.
AE
This
program
represents
the
First
Federal
dedicated
funding
program
in
over
30
years,
and
the
budget
also
commits
the
federal
government
to
work
with
the
Cooperative
housing
Federation
of
Canada
and
our
colleagues
across
the
sector
to
co-design
this
program.
So
we're
looking
forward
to
launching
this
program
in
2023.
AE
We've
talked
a
lot
about
the
province
as
well.
We
engage
with
the
province
of
Ontario
and
continue
to
advocate
for
new
made
in
Ontario,
affordable
housing
programs,
I've
colleagues
to
speak
with
the
province
every
week
and
we
work
with
service
managers
across
the
country
and
I
urge
you
to
act
on
the
recommendations
in
this
report.
AA
But
my
question
for
you
is
based
on
what
we
heard
from
one
of
the
previous
delegations
and
problems
that
that
at
least
exist.
In
other
words,
and
that
is
when
land
leases
come
to
the
end
of
their
when
the
agreement
matures-
and
we
heard
the
the
example
of
the
co-op
on
the
University
of
Ottawa
property.
There's
a
co-op
in
my
ward.
That's
that's!
AA
Looking
down
the
barrel
of
of
this
as
well,
what
assistance
can
your
organization
provide
co-ops
to
ensure
that
the
members
aren't
literally
thrown
out
of
their
homes,
because
the
land
leases
are
going
to
expire?
There
should
be
a
mutual
Focus
or
objective
of
all.
Parties
is
to
find
ways
to
renew
those
leases
to
keep
people
in
those
homes.
So
what
advice
can
you
share
with
me
that
I
can
share
with
those
co-ops.
AE
Yeah,
a
good
question,
a
couple
things
I
will
just
say:
yeah
your
point
about
co-ops
as
they're
working
right
now
and
maybe
having
some
financial
difficulty,
something
that
we're
really
hearing
from
our
members
and
pushing
across
this
country
is
to
do
more
portfolio,
approach,
work
and
scaling
up.
So
we
want
to
work
with
Partners
like
the
Ottawa
Community
Land
Trust,
so
that
we're
we
don't
have
co-ops
by
co-ops
having
to
negotiate
or
protect
the
good
work
and
the
housing
that
they
have.
So
that's
something
that
we're
doing
across
the
country.
AE
We
have
some
examples
and
actually
in
Halifax
lots
of
great
work
in
Vancouver
Kingston
as
well.
So
that's
something
that
we
are
paying
attention
to
and
the
second
part
of
yeah
just
supporting
negotiations
again.
This
is
something
that's
yeah
very
important.
A
lot
of
co-ops
are
on
City
lease
land
in
Vancouver
a
couple
of
years
ago.
There
was
this
huge,
huge
portfolio
of
co-ops
that
all
had
to
re-up
their
leases
as
well.
L
Kavanaugh,
thank
you
very
much.
Courtney
co-opposing
is,
is
wonderful,
I've
lived
in
it
twice
once
at
University
of
Guelph
and
and
then
again
here
in
the
Westbrook
Co-op,
where,
where
my
kids
were
very
small,
and
it's
a
great
experience,
I'm
pleased
to
hear
that
there'll
be
financing.
Finally,
after
30
years
for
the
for
new
housing,
what
does
that
look
like
in
Ottawa
and
how
much
of
that
will
be
family,
friendly
housing
because
I
think
that's?
AE
Yeah,
so
it's
1.5
billion
dollars
to
develop
Co-op
homes
and
you
can
kind
of
do
the
math
about
how
many
doors
new
doors
that
will
make
it
is
supposed
to
be
a
national
program.
So
it's
going
to
be
available
to
co-ops
across
the
country
and
where
places
it
will
probably
make
the
most
impact
the
most
like
quickly
is
where
there's
kind
of
scale
and
capacity
already.
So
we
have
some
Partners
here.
There's
you
know,
there's
pockets
of
it,
but
the
other
parts
I
wrote
was
your
question
about
family.
AE
So
something
that's
been
really
important
for
our
members.
You
might
be
hearing
it
from
communities
as
well
is
like
the
concept
of
Aging
in
place.
So
the
fact
that
you
have
people
that
live
in
housing,
co-ops
and
maybe
throughout
their
lifetime,
their
needs
change
on
how
many
bedrooms
they
need
or
accessibility
requirements.
A
lot
of
the
stock
that
was
built
in
the
80s
doesn't
meet.
You
know
modern
accessibility
standards.
L
Yeah
that
sounds
sensible,
but
that's
what
we're
finding
is
in
terms
of
development,
that
the
tendency
just
out
in
the
private
sector
is
building
small
units.
I
mean
when
we,
you
know
here
and
councilor
Curry
talked
about
that
so
I'm
wondering
if
the
co-ops
are
tackling
the
fact
that
families
are
are
finding
it
hard
to
have
affordable
housing
and
and
and
what
your
role
in
that
is.
AE
Yeah
one
thing
I
would
just
say
too,
is
that
our
members
are
really
in
this
they're
feeling.
The
crunch,
like
you
heard
from
from
folks
right,
that
they
have
wait,
lists,
there's
huge
need
and
they
only
have
so
many
units.
So
our
job
as
a
sector
is
we're
advocating
for
more
to
build
more
so
that
we
can
yeah
have
like
appropriate
housing
for
most
people.
Yeah.
L
Thank
you
I
appreciate
the
fact
that
you're
talking
about
a
mix,
because
that's
that's
true
that
people
move
on
and
they
don't
need
a
townhouse
after
the
kids
grow
up
and
all
that,
but
maybe
they
want
to
stay
around
so
I
appreciate
that,
but
I
hope
there's
a
definitely
an
emphasis
on
the
families.
Thanks.
Z
Thank
you
for
your
presentation,
Courtney.
With
respect
to
the
recommendations
in
the
report.
I
can
understand
from
your
delegation
that
certainly
land
being
devoted
to
the
co-op
housing
and
the
building
of
co-op
housing
will
be
essential,
but
what
I
would
like
to
know
is-
let's
say
you
know
in
the
example
of
what
Mr
Sullivan
put
forward,
we
released
the
20
Parcels
of
land
all
at
once.
Z
Co-Ops
are
small,
they
are
unevenly
governed,
let's
say
some
have
more
and
less
experience
and
I
know.
Sometimes
there
may
be
some
reticence
on
the
part
of
the
city
to
invest
in
in
that
kind
of
turnover
and
that
kind
of
leadership.
So
what
is
happening
right
now
in
the
co-op
sector
and
with
other
agencies
within
the
Ottawas
I
want
to
know
about
the
Ottawa
landscape,
please
for
Mutual
support
and
perhaps
some
kind
of
systemic
approach
to
to
how
how
to
address
those
opportunities
because
to
have
46
individual
players
becomes
really
burdensome.
AE
Yes,
good
question
the
kind
of
Independence
and,
like
the
Democratic
decision-making
of
a
Cooperative,
is
very
inherent
to
how
the
co-op
operates
but
to
respond
to
the
housing
need
and
the
context.
What
we're
really
hearing
a
lot
for
our
members
that
we
need
to
grow
at
scale,
and
that
is
really
what
we've
been
focusing
on.
You
know,
as
an
advocacy
organization
just
to
work
with
our
members
on
how
they
can
scale
up
and
how
they
can
be
ready
for
new
developments
and
to
partner
with
other
organizations
with
municipalities.
Things
like
that.
AE
All
of
this
is
under
what
we
call
our
co-op
housing
for
All
Vision,
and
so
a
couple
of
those
mechanics
would
be
like
we
have
our
financing
Asset
Management
Services,
so
that
co-ops
can
kind
of
be
ready
when
opportunities
arise
when
their
operating
agreements
and
we're
seeking
investment
largely
from
Credit
Union
sector
to
to
refinance
so
that
they
have
Capital
to
work
with,
and
one
of
the
other
things
as
I
was
kind
of
mentioning
is
scale.
That's
working
really
well
is
to
kind
of
pull
lots
of
small
players
together.
AE
So
one
example:
that's
happening
in
Nova
Scotia
actually
is
compass,
Nova
Scotia,
which
is
essentially
a
it's
a
provincial
model.
Now
that's
a
bunch
of
co-ops
that
are
all
pulled
together
to
make
one
Co-op
across
the
province
and
they're
all
leveraging
their
own
assets
together.
So
we
have
that
what
we
call
it
like
a
compass
model.
Z
Thank
you
for
those
comments.
I
certainly
want
to
bring
forward
that
you
know
the
the
housing
sector
has
been
working
towards
a
Readiness
for
these
types
of
Investments
for
a
long
time,
so
that
we
don't
actually
have
to
imagine
that
the
administrative
side
would
would
require
a
big
long
ramp
in
order
to
deliver
on
some
of
the
recommendations
for
this
report.
So
thank
you
for
that.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Courtney
I,
don't
see
any
other
questions
for
members.
Thanks
for
your
delegation
today,
Mark
Mark
McCauley
is
with
Salas
and
is
our
next
speaker
while
Mark
is
making
his
way
to
the
table.
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
very
much
Mark
for
the
care
that
you've
taken
of
your
residents
after
the
flooding
incident
for
your
property
in
Westborough
I
know
they
appreciate
it.
So
thank
you.
AF
So
thank
you,
chair
and
committee
members
for
this
opportunity
to
speak.
My
name
is
Mark
McCauley
I'm,
the
executive
director
at
Ottawa,
Salas
I'm,
also
a
registered
psychotherapist.
As
a
not-for-profit
for
45
years
we
have
quietly
provided
professional,
evidence-based
Supportive
Housing
each
year
for
over
700
people
in
our
community
and
primarily
for
people
who
are
experiencing
serious.
Persistent
mental
health
and
substance
use
health
issues.
AF
Salus
is
really
an
expert
in
support
of
housing
and
it's
a
small
part
of
the
overall
larger
housing
issue.
However,
when
people
don't
have
the
supports
in
the
larger
building,
it
affects
the
life
of
everyone
in
that
building.
So
we
say,
often
housing
plus
supports
equals
resilience,
resilience
for
people
resilience
for
our
community.
So
some
of
the
services
we
provide
are
case
management,
on-site,
Community,
Development,
housing,
coordination,
transitional
rehab,
occupational
therapy,
recreational
therapy,
peer
supports
and
substance
use
supports.
AF
But,
as
I
said,
we
have
been
quiet
and
we
cannot
afford
to
be
quiet
anymore
today,
on
behalf
of
the
clients
that
we
serve
and
those
who
we
could
or
will
serve.
I
ask
for
your
support
for
a
new
generation
of
purpose-built,
non-profit,
permanently,
affordable
housing
with
14
properties.
Salas
has
the
experience.
AF
The
numbers
don't
lie
not
for
profits
are
an
efficient
way
to
deliver
services.
For
example,
in
Ontario
the
average
cost
per
day
for
Hospital
stay
is
486
dollars
and
for
Supportive
Housing.
Seventy
two
dollars
per
day,
but
it's
not
just
the
numbers
that
matter.
It's
the
people
who
are
behind
those
numbers.
AF
If
we
could
pull
up
the
slide,
please
I
want
to
share
a
small
story.
We've
heard
about
principles,
policies,
procedures
and
here
in
this
slide,
I
want
to
share
the
story
here
of
Marina
in
2014.
Marina
was
struggling
with
undiagnosed
schizophrenia
that
eventually
led
to
her
becoming
homeless
and
living
on
the
street.
She
came
to
live
with
salus
and
stayed
nine
years.
AF
She
just
left
last
year
in
a
conversation
with
Marina,
she
said,
I
can
confidently
say
that
Sal's
staff
saved
my
life
with
salus
by
my
side,
I
regained
confidence
that
I
had
lost
all
those
years
ago.
When
I
asked
how
Marina
said
you
don't
just
help
and
House
people
through
affordable
housing,
you
also
offer
the
mental
health
support
and
resources
to
every
tenant,
who
is
willing
to
receive
the
help
and
to
begin
a
journey
to
a
better
life.
AF
AF
So
while
we
have
a
daunting
challenge
in
front
of
us
very
complex,
I
invite
you
today
and
in
our
future
conversations
to
place
Marina
right
here
in
the
center
of
the
room
and
to
think
about
Marina,
because
she
could
be
your
friend,
she
could
be
your
mom.
She
could
be
your
dad,
your
sister,
your
brother,
but
the
decisions
and
policies
that
we
are
approaching
here
today
and
what
we're
putting
forth
is
essential
to
the
life
of
our
community.
AF
So
we
have
an
a
real
opportunity
here
to
unlock
the
capacity
of
Our
Community
Resources
by
helping
non-for-profit
housing
developers
scale
up,
allocate
the
government
land,
which
we've
heard
and
bring
in
all
levels
of
government
together.
We
know
solid
policy
will
guide
our
Direction,
so
we
must
act
quickly
to
support
the
citizens
of
Ottawa,
currently
struggling,
who
are
homeless
or
at
risk
of
losing
their
home
as
well.
A
K
Thank
you
very
much.
Mark
super
helpful.
When
I
was
at
options
by
town,
the
reality
was
they
don't
have
a
nurse
on
site
and
they
don't
have
they're
not
in
the
boundary
of
Center
Town.
What
public
health
or
Community
Health
Center
they're,
not
even
they're,
not
in
a
boundary,
so
they
they
don't.
Actually
they
can't
have
people
who
live
at
options
by
Town,
even
go
to
that
Health
Center
do.
I
AB
AG
AB
I
K
AF
As
we
all
know,
we
had
a
recent
flood
and
there's
impacts
with
that
on
the
housing,
so
we're
having
presentations
on
that
I
am
also
have
invited
Katie
I'm
at
the
table
for
the
addictions,
mental
health
Roundtable
here,
which
involves
Ontario
health
and
all
our
hospitals,
and
she
will
be
sending
Monday
the
findings
of
this
report,
because
this
issue
requires
it's
not
a
city
problem,
it's
a
community
problem
and
it
involves
our
health
care
providers
at
all
levels.
We
need
our
Public
Health.
We
need
our
health
teams.
K
Good
because
that's
that's
the
argument,
I
think
you
constantly
have
to
make
right.
That
would
be
the
other
speaker
and
I.
Think
Katie
made
the
point
as
well
when
you
can
translate
it
into
the
savings.
Absolutely
but
I
mean
the
other
thing
about
options.
They
have
one
psychotherapist,
like
you
and
you
know
doing
one
program
for
an
hour
with
a
person
once
a
week
or
something
you
know
like
it's
nowhere
near
enough.
It's.
AF
Absolutely
I
mean
we
all
know
that
there's
a
lot
of
trauma
and
therapies
is
an
important
part,
but
also
what
we
know
is
the
social
determinants
of
Health.
That
is
the
foundation
to
the
work
we're
doing
in
the
community.
The
therapy
you
can't
get
to
the
therapy
until
you
get
to
the
social
determinants
of
health,
so
these
supports
are
essential.
L
Thank
you
very
much
chair.
Thank
you
very
much
for
on
behalf
of
Salas.
For
all
your
all
your
work
because
I
know,
Ottawa
Community
Housing
really
relies
on
salus
you're
in
a
number
of
our
buildings,
and
it's
it
makes
all
the
difference.
Supportive,
Housing
I.
Don't
think
people
understand
that
it's
not
just
about
affordable
housing.
L
The
supports
are
absolutely
necessary,
especially
if
you're
taking
people
that
were
homeless,
there's,
usually
a
reason
why
they're
homeless
there's
complications
and
they
need
various
helps
and
I
appreciate
the
work
that
Salas
has
done.
You
talked
about
not
being
quiet
anymore,
I
saw
your
campaign
and
I
I
was
I,
was
surprised
by
it
because
normally
you're
in
the
background,
you're
you're
doing
a
fantastic
job
of
of
helping
our
residents,
but
you
had
to
speak
out
on
what
happened
with
the
province
but
you're.
L
AF
AF
So,
having
that
and
as
part
of
this
campaign-
and
you
know,
what's
occurring
of
recent
days-
is
exactly
in
line
with
that,
it
it
just,
we
have
to
do
it
and
our
provincial
funder
like,
for
example,
our
budget,
almost
50
to
60
percent
of
our
budget
is
provincial
dollars.
So
it's
an
integrated
component.
We
need
to
have
our
MPS
as
part
of
the
solution.
I.
L
A
AH
Thank
you,
Mr
chair,
we've
staff
and
members
of
council
have
been
advised
that,
due
to
an
ongoing
incident
at
lisgar,
Collegiate
City
Hall
is
in
a
secure
facility
status.
This
means
that
entry
and
exit
from
the
facility
is
strongly
discouraged
and
Ottawa
Police
are
currently
on
scene.
Following
the
recess
we
will
confirm,
but
I
believe
the
meeting
will
be
able
to
continue
in
its
hybrid
format
with
delegations
who
are
here
in
person
and
on
on
Zoom,
but
currently
the
dorsa
city
hall
are
locked.
AH
A
Thank
you
very
much,
so
my
intention
is
to
continue
with
the
meeting
this
afternoon,
but
I
had
discussed
with
the
members
taking
a
15-minute
break
now
just
we're
about
halfway
through
the
speakers
list.
Let's
move
our
legs
grab
a
bite
to
eat,
make
phone
calls
and
we
will
resume
this
meeting
in
15
minutes
and
at
that
point
we'll
just
make
a
final
confirmation
that
we're
continuing
with
the
meeting
this
afternoon.
Thank
you.
A
AI
Hi
everybody
good
to
see
you
again,
let's
just
make
sure
yeah
we're
good
to
go.
Okay,
so
good
morning,
everyone,
my
name,
is
Dean
tester
I'm,
the
co-founder
of
make
housing
affordable
I'm
here
today
to
support
the
scaling
up,
non-profit
housing
report
and
urge
you
to
adopt
every
recommendation.
They've
made
in
2020
Ottawa
city
council
declared
declared
a
housing
and
homelessness
emergency
in
Ottawa
and
I'll
quote
our
chair
from
the
council
meeting
at
the
time.
Lives
are
at
stake
when
lives
are
at
stake.
We
call
that
an
emergency.
AI
An
emergency
is
a
serious,
unexpected
and
often
dangerous
situation
requiring
immediate
action.
Three
years
later,
things
have
gotten
significantly
worse.
We've
completely
failed
to
act.
Our
shelters
are
overflowing,
our
homeless
population
is
skyrocketing.
Our
food
bank
had
400
000
visits
last
year,
an
unprecedented
number,
so
we've
got
to
act
now,
and
the
alliance
and
homelessness
has
given
us
a
fantastic
blueprint
to
tackle
this
crisis.
AI
I
live
right
next
to
an
appean
housing,
Corporation,
affordable
housing
developments
here
in
Bar
Haven,
and
let
me
share
with
you
what
their
website
says
when
you
visit
their
rent
with
us
page
in
all
caps.
No
vacancies,
our
units
have
an
approximate
weight
waiting
list,
time
frame
of
three
to
eight
years
for
one
bedroom,
two
to
five
years
for
two
or
three
bedroom,
five
to
eight
years
for
four
bedroom
units.
These
are
the
very
real
consequences
of
failing
to
build
social
and
affordable
housing
in
our
city.
In
my
opinion,
we
are
not
doing
nearly
enough.
AI
According
to
the
report
you've
received
today.
If
we
kept
building
social
and
affordable
housing
at
the
current
rate,
it
would
take
50
years
to
meet
our
affordable
housing
needs
if
we
had
zero
population
growth-
and
we
all
know
we're
not
going
to
have
zero
population
growth,
our
population
is
growing
in
Ottawa,
faster
than
ever.
It's
rapidly
outpacing
our
efforts
to
build
affordable
housing.
The
housing
crisis
is
accelerating,
and
anyone
who
tells
you
they
have
a
plan,
that's
working
from
any
level
of
government.
AI
It
is,
quite
frankly
gaslighting
you
and
it's
easy
to
point
the
finger
at
provincial
and
federal
governments,
because
they
have
both
failed
our
city
when
it
comes
to
funding
social
and
affordable
housing,
but
the
city
has
to
do
its
part
too.
We
can
lead
by
example,
set
clear
targets:
unlock
land
for
affordable
housing,
use
the
full
extent
of
zoning
and
planning
tools
to
cut
costs,
accelerate
projects
and
get
shovels
in
the
ground
and
be
a
champion
for
affordable
housing.
We
must
convince
the
provincial
and
federal
governments
to
do
their
part.
AI
A
AJ
Ahead,
thank
you
happy
to
be
here:
Graham
Hussey,
president
with
cadco
and
director
of
Housing
Development
with
Center
Town
citizens,
Ottawa
Corporation.
We
were
really
happy
to
help
contribute
to
the
report.
We
helped
Envision
and
create
the
development
scenarios
and
the
pro
forma
Financial
modeling
and
I
spend
my
day
along
with
a
team
of
15,
focusing
here
in
downtown
Ottawa
on
creating
affordable
housing
with
many
different
non-profits,
co-ops
and
Charities
next
slide.
Please.
AJ
So
we've
talked
a
lot
about
the
need
for
affordable
housing
and
why
to
make
change,
and
what
I
want
to
talk
about
is
a
bit
related
to
counselor
Johnson's
question
of.
Do
we
have
the
ability
and
the
capacity
to
do
that
really
to
create
any
project,
whether
it's
Market
or
affordable?
We
need
three
things:
land,
money
and
capacity,
and
the
focus
of
cadco
is
helping
to
enable
the
projects.
AJ
Through
the
capacity
we've
been
working
with
more
than
a
couple
dozen
non-profits
Charities
and
co-ops
in
Ottawa
to
create
projects
that
are
waiting
for
the
support
from
the
municipality
and
other
levels
of
government.
Next
slide.
Please
we
have
the
same
roles
and
responsibilities
as
any
other
non-pro,
any
other
real
estate,
developer,
non-profit
or
Market.
AJ
We're
helping
groups
find
that
land
secure
the
financing
and
oversee
the
project
until
it's
complete,
We've,
basically
Amalgamated
the
capacity
of
the
sector
in
Ottawa,
in
addition
to
Ottawa
Community
Housing,
to
help
serve
all
of
those
smaller
groups
that
don't
have
the
the
dozens
and
hundreds
of
staff
that
Ottawa
Community
Housing
has.
We've
worked
on
projects
from
women's
shelters,
fleeing
domestic
violence,
all
the
way
to
permanent
mixed
income,
rental
housing,
affordable
home
ownership
and
we're
the
sister
Corporation
to
CCOC
next
slide.
AJ
Ccoc
is
probably
well
known
to
many
others,
we're
the
pro
we're
the
largest
private
non-profit
landlord
in
Ottawa,
one
of
the
largest
in
the
countries
out
of
all
of
the
various
60
plus
groups
in
Ottawa
that
own
and
operate
affordable
housing
outside
of
Ottawa
Community
Housing
we're
the
largest
with
the
most
amount
of
units.
We
have
a
mixed
housing
model,
I
like
to
describe
it
as
if
you
put
everybody
in
Ottawa
in
a
snow
globe,
and
you
shake
it
up.
AJ
That's
who
lives
at
CCOC,
people
of
all
different
sizes,
income
abilities
and
some
that
need
supports,
and
some
that
can
live
independently
next
slide,
as
I
said,
we're
working
with
a
couple
dozen
non-profits,
co-ops
and
Charities
throughout
the
Ottawa
area
right
now
actively
on
projects.
Some
of
that
involves
government
land,
but
most
often
it
involves
these
groups
taking
risks
to
buy
the
land,
to
secure
that
to
then
try
and
get
the
government
funding
and
financing
to
complete
the
project.
AJ
We've
noticed
during
the
creation
and
unrolling
of
the
National
Housing
strategy
that
there
is
a
huge
need
for
capacity.
How
do
you
do
it?
Where
do
you
start?
It
feels
like
a
bit
of
a
black
box,
we're
spinning
our
Wheels,
and
so
what
cadco
does
in
Ottawa
to
help
these
groups
we've
envisioned
doing
that
at
a
national
scale,
and
then
this
past
year
we've
you
can
turn
to
the
next
slide.
We've
just
launched
a
national
program
across
the
country
to
coach
and
mentor
non-profits
to
increase
their
capacity
to
develop
more
affordable
housing.
AJ
L
Thank
you
very
much.
Graham
I
appreciate
your
work
and
I
I.
Look
at
you
as
a
as
someone
who's.
You
know,
partnering
actually
with
maybe
Ottawa
Community
Housing
is
doing
its
job
and
I
see
cadco
as
as
doing
its
job
as
well
and
I.
Just
want
you
to
ask
you
about
that
relationship
because
there's
there's
different
needs
out
there.
AJ
Yeah
I
think
absolutely
a
lot
of
respect
for
Ottawa
Community,
Housing
they're,
doing
they're
really
focused
on
development
and
increasing
their
amount
of
units
that
they
provide
right.
Now
we
have
a
great
relationship
with
them.
In
general,
they
have
a
really
good
collaborative
relationship
with
the
sector.
I'd
say
it's
a
very
collaborative
sector.
We
need
all
of
it.
AJ
We
need
Ottawa,
Community
Housing
to
scale
up
and
we
need
all
the
other,
non-profits
and
and
co-ops
and
I
think
sometimes
that
can
happen
where
groups
partner
with
auto
Academy,
housing
and
other
times
cadco
can
help
those
groups
to
maybe
do
it
on
their
own
or
to
lead
their
own
projects.
So
very
complementary.
L
I'm,
finding
that
one
of
the
areas
where
there's
growth
in
terms
of
affordable
housing
is
churches,
particularly
in
older
neighborhoods,
where
congregations
are
dwindling,
but
they're
still
strong,
a
strong
core
and
they,
and
they
really
want
to
help.
Is
that
a
target
for
that
you're
working?
Is
that
a
group
that
you're
working
with.
AJ
Absolutely
I
think
it's
always
been
a
lot
of
affordable
housing
groups
originate
through
some
type
of
Faith
support,
whether
it's
the
downtown
shelters
or
Cornerstone
housing
for
women.
They
were
all
created
by
faith
organizations
we're
working
with
a
number
of
Faith
groups,
including
Unitarian
hosts
in
Westborough
working
on
probably
six
different
sites
with
the
Anglican
Diocese
of
Ottawa,
but
there's
been
many
different
Faith
groups
who
are
interested
in
kind
of
leveraging,
their
land
to
create
affordable
housing
and
partnership
with
non-profit
groups.
It's
a
big
big
opportunity.
L
AJ
Yes,
it
is,
but
we
we
tend
to
work
with
many
different
groups,
and
so
the
focus
of
any
one
project
more
depends
on
the
different
groups
that
we're
working
with
so,
for
instance,
we're
working
on
a
project
with
Ottawa
Salas.
They
serve
people
who
not
only
need
an
affordable
place
to
live,
but
need
those
supports.
It
typically
focuses
on
a
single
household.
AJ
Z
Thank
you
and
nice
to
see
you
Graham
and
I.
We
didn't
coordinate
the
brilliant
question
on
my
part
with
his
presentation
that
was
actually
just
a
naturally
occurring
genius,
but
I
wanted
to
ask
with
your
expertise,
to
comment
more
on
the
second
recommendation
of
the
report
when
we're
looking
at
the
timelines
and
what
it
takes
for
affordable
housing
development
to
get
through
the
city.
What
are
the
current
barriers
that
you
can
help?
AJ
Yeah
so
right
now,
most
of
the
affordable
housing
projects
created
in
ottawan
and
Canada
rely
on
various
numbers
of
financial
sources.
Some
people
call
it
a
lasagna.
It
might
be
anywhere
from
five
to
a
dozen
different
sources
of
financing,
but
to
get
that
support,
you
typically
have
to
be
site
plan
approved
or
shovel
ready.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Counselor
Johnson
and
I
don't
see
any
further
questions
from
Members.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
delegation.
Today,
Graham
we're
going
to
go
to
Annie
Carruthers,
followed
by
Tom
Belanger
Larissa
Cheshire
Sam
Hurst
Cheryl
Parrott,
Ann,
Marie,
Mason,
John
Lee
and
Bethany
Wallen,
Joseph,
ostrovsky
and
Steve
Pomeroy,
so
Annie
Carruthers,
oh
and
Liz
Whitfield
I'm,
going
to
apologize.
AK
Options
by
Town
believes
that
the
report
being
presented
today
provides
viable
options
for
increasing
ottawa's
delivery
of
affordable,
Supportive
Housing
in
a
cost-effective
manner.
We
believe
it's
a
valuable
tool
to
inform
policy
development
and
to
support
our
City's
requests
for
resources
from
the
federal
government
under
the
housing
accelerator
fund.
AK
AK
AK
AK
We
also
run
a
housing
first
program
which
helps
people
experiencing
chronic
homelessness,
to
find
scattered
site
housing
around
the
city
and
then
provide
wraparound
supports
to
those
people
at
options.
By
town
we
take
people
as
they
are,
they
don't
require.
We
don't
require
sobriety.
We
don't
require
employment
or
clean
criminal
record.
We
offer
homes
and
services
that
include
assistance
in
connecting
with
health
services,
help
with
pet
care,
help
applying
for
financial
assistance,
help
getting
food
help
overcoming
hoarding
Behavior
and
help
getting
access
to
mental
health
and
or
substance
use
supports.
AK
This
type
of
program
is
the
solution
to
homelessness.
It
works
the
vast
majority
of
people
that
leave
homelessness
for
housing,
with
support
stay
housed.
They
become
less
likely
to
require
emergency
and
other
health
services.
They
become
less
involved
with
law
enforcement
at
options.
By
time
we
see
this
every
day
we
get
results
across
our
programs.
We
have
an
over
90
percent
success
rate,
which
means
that
the
vast
majority
of
our
tenants
stay
housed
at
options
by
town.
We
want
to
do
more.
We
have
a
trained
and
competent
staff.
AK
AK
Everyone
can
get
their
head
around
the
moral
argument
for
ending
homelessness,
but
an
economic
argument
also
has
to
be
made.
We've
all
heard
the
story
about
Million
Dollar
Murray,
the
Reno
Nevada
man,
whose
consumption
of
services
related
to
his
experience
of
homelessness
exceeded
a
million
dollars
over
the
course
of
10
years.
AK
This
article
didn't
land
far
from
the
truth.
By
any
estimate,
homelessness
is
expensive.
In
Canada,
the
average
cost
of
supporting
a
single
person
experiencing
homelessness
is
53
000
per
person
per
year.
There
are
a
thousand
chronically
homelessness
homeless
people
in
Ottawa,
so
we
can
all
do
that.
Math,
comparatively
speaking,
the
cost
of
Supportive
Housing
is
low.
AK
Jump
to
the
end,
if
Ottawa
is
serious
about
taking
Elite
to
achieve
its
targets
for
ending
homelessness.
The
report
that
you've
been
given
today
is
pure
gold
and
I'll
just
go
through
some
of
the
highlights.
It
provides
a
credible
basis
for
policy
development.
It
provides
a
proposal
for
really
responsible
land
use,
a
way
to
leverage
Partnerships
with
existing
and
willing
organizations
evidence-based
costed
targets
and
policy
options
to
achieve
them.
AK
L
Thank
you
very
much.
I
appreciate
it
and
I
I
had
a
tour
of
options
by
town
this
week
outside
of
an
elevator
that
didn't
let
us
out.
It
was
a
very
successful
visit
and
we'll
blame
lch
for
that,
but
it
you
know
seriously
I
when
I
think
of
of
the
cost
of
supports
and
how
important
they
are
and
I
was
just
thinking
about
it.
I
deal
a
lot
with
seniors.
I
have
the
highest
number
of
seniors
in
the
city,
and
the
big
push
on
by
the
provincial
government
is
long-term
care.
L
L
Person
living
in
yeah,
no
I
I've
heard
about
it
before
and
and
it
doesn't
take
long
to
figure
out
where
that
goes,
but
but
I
think
that
we
really
have
to
push
that
idea
that
there
are
people
in
need
that
will
will
benefit
if
we
could,
if
we
could
make
those
kinds
of
places
available
to
them.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
sir.
Thank
you
for
your
delegation
today
appreciate
it.
We
have
one
two,
three,
four,
five,
six,
seven,
eight
more
delegations
I
know
Carolyn
is
not
going
to
be
able
to
stick
around
much
past
an
hour
from
now,
so
something
to
keep
in
mind
as
we
go
through
the
delegations,
Tom
Belanger.
You
are
next
followed
by
Larissa.
AL
Thank
you
councilor
or
and
chair.
My
name
is
Tom
Balaji
I'm,
the
executive
director
in
the
PN
housing
Corporation.
Thanks
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
today,
there
are
a
number
of
excellent
recommendations
in
this
report
and
I'm
so
happy
to
see
so
many
smarter
people
than
being
educating
you
on
this
topic,
which
I
know
and
and
about
the
details
of
what's
going
to
solve
it.
AL
First,
for
you
who
don't
are
not
aware
to
pee
in
housing,
we're
a
non-profit
housing
provider
with
an
independent
board
of
directors.
We
are
formerly
a
municipal
non-profit
with
the
old
city
of
Nepean,
a
community
housing
provider
in
the
city
with
we
have
559
low-end
market
and
red
geared
income
units
in
six
communities
located
in
Bells,
Corners,
Craig,
Henry,
Center,
Point
and
barhaven,
and
we're
proud
to
be
over
35
years
of
experience,
developing
and
building
managing
non-reprofit
housing.
AL
It
started
five
years
ago
with
25k
25
years
ago
and
25
000
from
the
affordable
housing
unit
at
the
city,
with
an
additional
500k
in
Grants
and
promissory
notes,
and
a
lot
of
care
and
feeding
and
we're
about
to
break
ground
on
about
a
31
unit.
Three-Story
net
zero-ready,
infill,
serviced
land,
no
sorry,
Net,
Zero,
ready
on
an
infill
and
service
land
in
our
Dunbar
Community
located
in
Craig
Henry.
There
are
a
lot
of
non-profits
out
there
with
land
that
have
land
serviceable.
AL
That
could
do
what
we're
doing
in
in
in
Nepean
and
and-
and
you
know,
it's
just
a
matter
of
seeking
them
out
and
finding
them
and
supporting
them.
This
project
will
succeed
in
providing
safe
and
affordable
rental
housing
for
folks
with
disabilities
and
folks
needing
a
place
to
call
home
because
one
we're
a
non-profit
and
we're
not
in
it
to
make
money
two.
AL
We
have
the
free
service
land
on
our
own
and
that
that
we
we
had
key
financial
and
technical
support
from
the
city,
DC
fees,
Way,
waivered,
pre-development,
Grants
and
capital
grants
and
staff
in
the
affordable
housing
unit.
You
know
who
I
I
won't
embarrass
a
name
who
have
give
us
the
support
that
we
needed
in
order
to
get
moving
forward,
unwavering
political
support
from
local
counselors
and
Council.
AL
Your
yourselves
I
want
to
urge
you
to
support
the
following
recommendations
and
I
just
want
to
highlight
a
few
of
them
maintain
and
enhance
the
resources
of
the
affordable
housing
unit
that
helps
steer
projects
through
Planning
and
Zoning
is
critical.
It
has
supported
us
in
our
our
efforts
in
order
to
build
and
we
are
where
we
are
today,
because
of
the
staff
there
make
sure
they're
well
resourced,
maintain
a
pre-development
funding
part
to
support
their
efforts
to
develop
affordable
projects
and
bring
them
to
fruition.
AL
A
Thank
you
very
much,
Tom
and
anytime
that
you
don't
use
within
your
five
minutes
can
be
allocated
to
Carolyn
as
we
get
closer
to
the
report
authors.
So
thank
you
for
your
brevity.
Are
there
any
questions
for
members
see
none.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
delegation.
We're
going
to
move
on
to
Larissa
Cheshire
with
Somerset
West,
followed
by
Sam
Hirsch.
AM
Just
acknowledge
that
I'm
I'm,
calling
in
on
my
phone
from
the
launch
of
the
Rochester
Heights
community
house,
so
there
may
be
some
noise
in
the
background.
My
name
is
Larissa
Cheshire
I'm
here
in
my
in
the
role
of
community
engagement
manager
with
Somerset
West
Community
Health
Center
Somerset
West
is
a
non-profit
Community
governed
organization
that
provides
Primary,
Health,
Care
health
promotion
and
Community
Development
Services,
using
interprofessional
teams
of
Health
and
Social
Service
Providers.
AM
We
support
people
and
communities
to
enjoy
the
best
possible
health
and
well-being.
We
recognize
the
importance
of
responding
to
the
diversity
of
local
needs
within
local
communities
and
we
pay
particular
attention
to
those
members
of
the
community
who
are
most
vulnerable
and
at
risk.
As
a
community
health
center,
we
see
firsthand
how
a
lack
of
safe,
adequate
and
affordable
housing
impacts
on
the
health
and
well-being
of
the
clients
and
communities
we
serve.
We
are
well
aware
of
the
deteriorating
state
of
mental
health
and
the
corresponding
need
for
mental
health
support.
AM
We
also
acknowledge
the
disproportionate
impact
of
systems
like
housing,
on
the
lives
of
black
indigenous
people
of
color.
We
applaud
the
alliance
for
putting
Forward,
Concrete
and
achievable
actions
for
laying
out
and
for
laying
out
a
clear
path
forward
in
a
report
entitled
our
city
starts
with
home
scaling
up
non-profit
housing
in
Ottawa.
I
am
here
today
to
send
the
report
it,
including
clear
and
meaningful
targets
prioritizing
land
for
non-profit
development
and
making
use
of
Municipal
zoning
and
planning
tools.
AM
We
support
the
vision
of
purpose-built,
permanent
and
deeply
affordable
housing
as
it
lined
in
the
report.
We
urge
you
to
make
a
commitment
to
engage
with
the
Ottawa
black
mental
health,
Coalition
and
black
housing
allies,
develop
to
develop
black
LED
Housing
Solutions
in
Ottawa
and
as
a
member
of
the
Ottawa
Community
benefits
Network.
We
also
support
the
call
that
Community
benefits
agreements
be
applied
to
the
developments
on
government
land,
owned
land
or
in
receipt
of
government
funds
or
financing.
We
are
not
new
to
this
table.
AM
Since
2016,
we
have
led
and
supported
a
number
of
community-based
research
initiatives
resulting
in
the
development
of
reports,
Publications,
toolkits
and
primers
to
support
advocacy
in
the
areas
of
rooming
houses,
affordable
housing,
development
and
gentrification
and
Recreation.
Our
work
has
grown
out
of
concerns
that
the
gentrification
of
West,
Center
town
and
the
rapid
and
large-scale
development
that
continues
continues
to
lead
to
the
displacement
of
residents,
along
with
recommendations
for
landlords,
Municipal
and
provincial
governments.
AM
Our
work
has
advocated
for
the
purchase
of
rooming
houses,
called
for
the
support
for
non-profit
development
and
identified
the
need
to
leverage
Partnerships
to
provide
wraparound
supports
through
Community
consultations.
Residents
have
put
forward
the
following
vision
for
West
Centertown,
affordable
and
livable
housing
and
Equitable
development,
affordable
and
appropriate
housing
as
a
part
of
new
housing
construction
projects,
deeply
affordable
housing
for
people
on
low
to
modest
income
as
a
part
of
construction
project
on
public
land
in
perpetuity
and
maintenance,
and
improvements
to
already
existing,
affordable
housing.
AM
Non-Profit
models
of
affordable
housing
would
make
this
Community
Vision
possible.
In
June
of
2022,
we
launched
a
report
entitled
this.
Neighborhood
is
changing.
Who
is
it
changing
for?
This
report
was
a
collaboration
between
researchers
from
Carleton,
University's,
Department
of
geography
and
Environmental
Studies
in
Somerset
West,
the
report
studies,
Urban
Development
and
the
transformation
of
West
Center
town.
The
report
acknowledges
the
shrinking
stock
of
affordable
housing
and
raises
important
questions
about
the
definition
of
affordability.
AM
The
report
starts
a
conversation
about
who
stands
to
benefit
from
the
current
development
and
gentrification
and
highlights
the
critical
need
for
deeply
affordable
housing
to
meet
core
housing
needs.
It
is
for
these
reasons
that
we
are
compelled
to
make
a
deputation.
Today
we
see
significant
potential
in
non-profit
housing
to
achieve
the
vision
laid
out
by
the
community.
I
will
end
with
the
following.
For
anyone
who
spends
time
outside
in
the
urban
core,
you
will
have
borne
witness
to
the
human
face.
The
evidence
speaks
for
itself.
We
all
know
there
is
a
need.
AM
A
AN
Thanks
so
much
chair
leaper,
so
so
first
I
want
to
acknowledge
that
we're
on
the
End
season
on
Center
surrender
territory
of
the
Algonquin
people
and
thank
them
for
allowing
us
to
be
present
on
this
land
in
in
Canada.
Indigenous
peoples
represent
only
five
percent
of
the
population,
but
in
Ottawa,
according
to
the
homeless
Hub,
they
represent
32
percent
of
the
entire
homeless
population.
AN
Quite
simply,
Ottawa
is
not
doing
enough
for
indigenous
folks,
despite
their
constant
rhetoric,
around
reconciliation
and
declaring
a
home
housing.
A
homelessness
crisis
emerges
in
in
2020,
or
rather
an
emergency
and
I.
Suppose
that's
a
good
point
to
start
I'm
here
to
talk
on
this
report.
This
city
and
the
previous
Council
declared
a
housing
and
homelessness.
Emergency
at
home
assist
has
only
gotten
worse
and
yes,
maybe
the
pandemic
had
an
effect,
but
this
crisis
existed
long
before
March
2020..
AN
AN
If
we
keep
seeing
cities
as
things
to
invest
in
rather
than
to
live
in,
we
will
always
be
in
Perpetual
housing
crisis.
As
the
report
States.
Despite
this
new
Supply
average
rents
for
two
bedroom
units,
increased
20
to
20.3
percent
from
2020
to
an
average
cost
of
two
thousand
four
hundred
and
forty
three
dollars
a
month
in
October
2022
with
one
bedroom
apartments
at
1959.
AN
AN
The
solution
to
all
of
our
urban
planning
and
housing
problems
on
the
housing
crisis
cannot
continue
to
be
to
give
developers
more
land
and
space
to
develop
and
proper
room.
Sure
developers
are
hungry
for
more
profit
to
be
extracted
from
rising
property
values
and
ottawa's
planners,
for
the
most
part,
appear
to
be
happy
to
facilitate
ever-growing
property
values
through
up
zoning
and
urban
boundary
expansions.
But
property
values
cannot
go
up.
AN
Forever
Without
displacing
thousands
of
residents
and
businesses
who
can't
afford
increasingly
expensive
real
estate
and
rent,
allowing
private
housing
developers
to
run
rough
shot
and
have
almost
exclusivity
in
our
housing
market
has
led
to
Great
human
tragedies
like
herongate,
that
saw
hundreds
of
racialized
immigrants
evicted
with
almost
no
way
to
return
to
Eunice
that
were
unaffordable
and
things
like
the
urban
boundary
expansion.
That's
on
expansion
of
land
and
the
ability
to
you
know
to
sell
it
off
to
private,
Developers
and
and
I
think
this
is
one
of
the
most
pertinent
parts
of
the
report.
AN
We
we
need
to
stop
selling
off
the
land
that
we
have
and
ensure
Community
benefit.
Agreements
are
put
in
place
that
actually
last
for
a
long
time
to
ensure
affordability,
not
leave
it
to
the
benevolence
of
a
private
company
and
in
fact
data
from
other
jurisdictions
has
suggested
that
selling
off
public
land
hasn't
actually
led
to
more
affordability.
AN
According
to
the
UK
based
new
economics
Forum,
while
the
government
in
the
UK
has
sold
enough
public
land
for
developers
to
build
131
000
homes,
only
2.6
percent
of
those
homes
will
be
for
social
rent,
so
so
I
think
it's
clear
how
to
move
forward
here.
This
report
shouldn't
just
sit
on
a
shelf
collecting
dust.
We
need
to
act
on
it
and
ensure
money
is
spent.
You
know
from
our
own
coffers
too
and
I
know
that
the
province
and
the
feds
have
to
cough
up
money
as
well.
A
Thanks
Sam
I
can
tell
you
you
kept
your
notes.
A
little
abbreviated
this
afternoon.
I
appreciate
the
additional
time
that
we
can
give
to
Carolyn.
As
we
finish
up
the
delegations.
Are
there
any
questions
for
members
seeing
none.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
presentation
today,
Cheryl
Perez,
no
stranger
to
the
committee.
Cheryl
you've
got
five
minutes
to
address
the
committee.
AO
Perfect
sorry,
it
took
a
bit
to
get
in
there,
the
Hindenburg
Community
Association
and
the
Mechanicsville
Community
Association
support,
prioritizing
city-owned
land
for
medium
density,
cmhc,
Market,
rent,
affordable
and
deeply
affordable
housing,
which
includes
family-sized
homes.
We
want
to
see
those
family-sized
homes
because
we
don't
get
them
in
the
private
Market.
AO
AO
We
recommend
that
the
city,
in
collaboration
with
various
Community
organizations,
establish
a
task
force
to
examine
what
community
benefits
streams,
including
affordable
housing,
should
be
targeted
for
Bayview,
and
we
support
a
logical,
consistent
and
city-wide
approach
to
establishing
affordable
housing
targets
and
outcomes
for
Bayview
libreton,
Flats
Tunis
pasture,
among
others,
we're
eager
to
work
with
non-profit
housing
providers
to
effectively
build
inclusive
and
diverse
communities.
We
have
lost
so
much
diversity
in
our
community
over
the
last
decade.
AO
A
A
A
AP
We
are
I'm
here
to
represent
the
Ottawa
social
Housing
Network,
and
so
who
are
we?
We
are
representatives
from
all
social
housing
sectors.
In
Ottawa
we
represent
non-profit
housing,
non-profit
cooperatives,
Supportive
Housing
providers
and
urban
indigenous
groups.
We
have
105
member
organizations
managing
approximately
30
000
units
providing
low-income
and
Supportive
Housing.
Our
clients
include
youth
families,
singles
seniors
and
those
in
need
of
supports.
AP
So,
given
that
information,
what
do
we
do
we
meet
together?
We
have
a
place
for
all
of
us
to
exchange
knowledge
to
share
our
services
to
com.
You
know:
do
this
the
advocacy
piece
for
affordable
housing
and
developing
leadership
in
our
sector,
so
it
was
really
into
like.
Given
all
this,
you
can
imagine
there's
a
little
bit
of
everything
there
where
we
try
to
support
and
we
are
advocating
to
for
reports
such
as
this.
AP
AP
Things
I
would
ask
if
I
was
in
in
the
audience,
is:
what's
the
difference
between
non-profit
housing
and
and
co-op
housing
I've
worked
in
both
sectors.
There
is
the
only
difference
is
our
governance
structure,
but
we
were
all
in
the
same
business
of
of
building,
maintaining
safe
and
affordable
housing
for
our
people
in
Ottawa.
AP
As
a
note
for
the
St
George's
Co-op,
if
somebody
you
see
that
Sandy
Hill
is
losing
82
units,
George
St
George's
is
losing
49.
so
overnight
the
whole
the
city
of
Ottawa
in
2028,
is
going
to
lose
that
that
volume
and
that's
that's
critical,
non-profit
development
means
the
groups
that
are
building
this.
We
are
the
experts
in
this
area.
We
would
build
all
of
the
any
non-profit,
Co-op
or
non-profit
the
people
that
are
building
it
are
going
to
maintain
it.
They
are
going
to
forever
be
in
the
business
of
affordable
housing.
AP
So
when
you
have
a
developer
for-profit,
that's
going
to
build
a
hundred
units,
maybe
10
of
those
units
would
be
deemed
affordable
and
that's
the
cmhc
definition
of
affordable
which
is
not
affordable
for
most
of
our
poorer
citizens,
but
they're
only
affordable
for
10
years,
and
they
don't
have
to
live
with
maintaining
so
non-profits.
My
message
to
all
of
you
on
behalf
of
all
the
non-profits
and
co-ops
and
Supportive
Housing,
like
we're
they're
part
of
our
group
too,
and
and
the
indigenous
population.
We
are
the
people.
AP
A
A
AQ
My
name
is
Bethany,
and
this
is
my
classmate
John
we're
both
second
year
medical
students
at
the
University
of
Ottawa
and
first
we
want
to
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
share
our
perspective
on
why
we
believe
that
increasing,
affordable
housing
is
extremely
important.
In
Ottawa
this
week
our
team
of
medical
students
is
meeting
with
many
members
of
city
council.
AQ
Some
of
you
who
are
here,
we've
met
with,
or
we
will
be
meeting
with
later
today,
and
so
we're
really
grateful
that
you've
taken
the
time
to
meet
with
us
to
discuss
strategies
for
addressing
current
housing
and
homelessness
crisis
in
Ottawa,
and
that
includes
scaling
up,
affordable
housing.
Our
team
has
collaborated
with
the
alliance
to
end
homelessness
and
we're
so
grateful
to
partner
with
the
council
to
work
towards
better
health
for
our
communities.
AR
AG
AG
He
tried
to
sleep
next
to
radiator
and
he
receives
third
degree
severe
burns
and
because
of
that
third
degree,
severe
burns,
he
also
developed
a
condition
called
cellulitis
or
an
infection
of
this
deep
tissue
layers
because
of
that
infection,
and
also
that
burns
had
to
receive
extensive
treatment
which
not
only
costs
the
Health
Care
System.
A
lot
also
leads
to
significant,
more
mobilities
or
worsening
up
his
life
outcomes.
AG
After
the
after
the
treatments
he
was
placed
in
a
bed
on
in
toh
a
general
hospital
there,
he
receives
treatment
from
both
staff,
nurses
and
other
Healthcare
teams
for
pain.
We
gave
him
acetaminophen
morphine
various
utter
pain,
management
for
infections.
We
gave
antibiotics
very
study
drugs
and
to
treat
to
treat
the
burns.
We
can
give
them
the
skin
grafts,
there's
a
thing,
but
there's
one
thing:
we
cannot
cannot
help
him
with
which
was
housing.
AG
There
is
no
place
to
go
to
so
we
wish
we
could
have
prescribed
housing
for
him.
It
would
be.
A
great
prescription
would
have
helped
him
recover
much
better,
but
since
we
couldn't,
he
had
to
stay
there
in
the
hospital
constantly
surrounded
by
beeping
alarm
sounds
by
people
running
around
making
his
sleep
much
harder,
the
same
time,
making
Discovery
much
worse.
AG
In
addition,
since
he
didn't
have
housing
and
he
had
to
stay
there,
that's
another
bed
that
we
couldn't
have
another
patient
in
which
creates
significant
backlogs
in
the
Health
Care
system,
I'm
here
with
Bethany,
to
represent
various
over
400
medical
students
at
the
University
of
Ottawa
and
saying
that
we
need
this,
we
need
to
adapt
this
report.
We
need
non-profit
housing
and
Bethany
is
going
to
tell
another
story.
AQ
Yeah,
just
really
quickly,
I'd
like
to
talk
about
some
of
my
experience
in
more
of
an
outpatient
setting
in
a
community
clinic
working
with
a
family
physician
as
part
of
our
schooling
got
to
do
a
placement
and
something
that
I
wasn't
fully
prepared
for.
Was
that
a
lot
of
our
treatment
discussion
wouldn't
just
be
about
what
treatment
is
best
for
the
patient
to
heal
the
medical
condition
that
they
have,
but
a
lot
of
it
was.
Could
they
afford
this
medication?
Would
they
have
to
choose
between
purchasing
the
medication
or
paying
for
rent
and
I?
AQ
AG
A
team
we
believe
in
non-profit
housing
is
very
needed
in
order
to
create
more
affordable
housing
in
Ottawa,
and
we
would
really
appreciate
if
Council
can
accept
this
report
and
also
do
the
recommendation
subscribe
by
the
alliance
to
end
homelessness
and
we'll
also
be
meeting
you
this
afternoon
and
hopefully
in
the
future.
In
order
to
discuss
more
about
our
ask
as
well.
AG
A
I
Just
wanted
to
thank
you
so
much.
It
was
so
nice
to
meet
with
you,
and
you
know
it's
a
tough
thing,
because
cities
are
responsible
for
solving
this
housing
crisis,
and
yet
you
see
this
cost
of
one
individual
who
suffered
a
horrendous
injury
and
then
that
cost
gets
placed
on
our
Health
Care
system,
which
is
provincial
but
is
exponentially
more
expensive
to
have
someone
in
hospital
than
it
is
to
provide
housing.
So
I
think
sometimes
that
jurisdictional
difference
prevents
decision
makers
for
making
the
right
choice,
which
is
to
provide
supportive
and
affordable
housing.
AQ
A
W
Thank
you
I'm,
like
Dean
I'm,
also
from
the
make
housing,
affordable
organization
and
just
start
off
by
saying
that
we
appreciate
all
the
hard
work
that
the
alliance
tend
homelessness
and
Dr
Weitzman
have
done
in
putting
in
this
report
together
and
all
the
advocacy
and
expertise
they
have
generally
and
also
to
Council,
for
considering
this
report
and
for
City
councilors
that
have
helped
to
move
this
forward.
So
the
city
of
Ottawa
has
the
report.
W
We're
in
so
many
of
the
proposals
was
mentioned
by
other
people
are
things
that
the
city
is
already
working
on.
The
official
plan
and
Zoning
bylaw
review
already
in
Vision,
allowing
a
greater
variety
of
densities
and
living
arrangements
around
the
city.
The
community
Improvement
program
for
affordable
housing
will
likely
feature
changing
the
feast.
W
And
this,
as
was
also
mentioned.
The
city
can
also
take
advantage
of
the
work
done
by
the
alliance
and
Dr
Weitzman
as
a
starting
point
for
the
housing
accelerator
fund
application,
which
has
a
huge
list
of
proposals
that
the
city
is
working
towards
again
through
the
official
plan
and
through
zoning
bylaws
and
and
cips,
and
things
like
that.
But
kind
of
the
timeline
is
is
very
long
and
these
the
the
house,
as
was
mentioned,
the
HAF,
is
coming
up
this
summer,
and
so
so
or
so.
W
W
So
the
proposals
in
this
report
would
allow
the
residents
of
the
city
to
say
yes
in
my
backyard,
to
Affordable
intensification,
also
for
the
city
to
say
yes
in
the
city's
backyard
on
city
land
and
the
city
can
use
the
broad
Coalition
of
non-profits
organizations,
businesses
developers
that
kind
of
support.
This
report
to
end
homelessness
now
to
make
housing
more
affordable
generally
and
just
to
make
Ottawa
city
that
everyone
can
can
afford
to
call
home
and
I.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Joseph
I
appreciate
the
delegation.
Are
there
any
questions
for
members?
Seeing
none
thank
you
for
being
here
today,
so
our
last
presenter
is
Steve
Pomeroy,
who
I
know
I,
believe
someone
who's
worked
in
very
influential
immigration
of
this
report.
So
what
I'm
going
to
do
is
ask
Steve
to
make
his
presentation
and
while
he's
doing
that,
I'll
invite
Katie
and
Carolyn
to
come
back,
so
we
can
kind
of
blend
some
of
the
questions
that
are
going
to
come
up
as
a
result
of
the
delegation.
AR
I'm
a
long
time,
housing
policy,
researcher
I,
was
appointments
at
both
Carlton
and
McMaster,
and
also
on
the
board
of
the
Ottawa
Community
Land
Trust
I
want
really
a
whole
bunch
of
the
excellent
points
that
have
already
been
made
about
the
report
to
this
point,
I
simply
want
to
focus
on
on
one
particular
element,
and
that
is
that
scaling
up
the
non-profit
sector
doesn't
just
mean
building
new
Supply.
There's
a
there
are
more
than
one
way
to
skin
a
cat.
AR
Next
slide
again
again.
I
won't
spend
a
lot
of
time
on
this
I
think
Carolyn
has
covered
this
as
have
others,
but
I
think
you
know
the
need
to
scale
up.
The
sector
is
both
in
terms
of
continued
growth
of
population
and
the
degree
to
which
that
population
will
experience,
affordability,
challenges,
but
also
to
address
the
massive
backlog.
That's
accumulated
over
many
many
years
and
these
statistics
the
size
of
the
waiting
list,
the
number
of
households
in
core
need,
I,
think
you're
already
very
familiar
with,
and
therefore
I
think
you
know.
AR
There's
strong
support
for
for
adding
to
supply
next
slide
the.
But
the
key
point
I
want
to
make
is
that
the
value
of
the
non-profit
sector
is
not
so
much
in
the
building
of
new
Supply.
It's
in
the
fact
that
they
own
it.
The
issue
we've
been
facing
and
we've
seen
a
lot
of
discussion
in
the
media
over
the
last
number
of
years
is
the
is
the
ongoing
process
which
is
generally
referred
to
as
financialization,
where
we're
seeing
these
massive
increase
in
events.
AR
Double-Digit
increases
fifteen
twenty
percent
increases
year
over
year
as
a
result
of
vacancy
control
or
decontrol
on
vacated
units
properties
that
are
owned
by
non-profits.
They
operate
in
a
non-market
context,
they're
isolated
from
those
Market
pressures
and
if
we
actually
want
to
preserve
existing
affordability,
moving
more
of
the
stock
into
non-profit
ownership
is
really
one
of
the
key
solutions
that
we
can
actually
use
to
address.
This
particular
vaccine
problem
next
slide.
AR
So,
basically,
you
know
we'll
for
every
unit
that
we're
creating
under
the
affordable
housing
programs.
For
the
last
decade,
we've
lost
six
under
107.50
and
we've
lost
our
27
units
under
a
thousand
dollars
a
month.
We're
basically
running
backwards
very
quickly
off
the
treadmill
and
slamming
into
the
wall
behind
us
next
slide.
AR
So
really
the
point
I
want
to
make
is
that,
yes,
we
do
need
new
Supply,
but
alongside
new
Supply,
we
really
do
need
to
support
the
the
acquisition
and
support
the
the
capacity
and
financial
capacity
of
the
non-profit
sector
to
buy
existing
rental
properties
which,
if
they're
purchased
in
the
private
sector,
will
be
subject
to
Renovations,
we'll
see
rents
significantly
increased
existing
tenants
displaced.
If
we
purchase
these
by
non-profits
with
a
mission
to
preserve
the
low
rents,
this
will
actually
protect
them
from
those
particular
those
Market
pressures.
AR
And
what
tends
to
happen
is
when
a
building
gets
purchased
by
a
private
investor.
That's
seeking
to
increase
yield.
The
existing
tenants
quite
frequently
are
are
invited
to
leave
through
various
mechanisms
that
we
generally
refer
to
as
well
evictions
and
as
a
result,
they
have
to
now
go
out
and
find
a
plate,
a
new
place
to
live
in
a
marketplace
where
rents
are
a
thousand
dollars
more
than
they
can
currently
afford,
and
the
unit
that
they
just
vacated
is
also
now
the
event
is
being
doubled.
AR
Owning
these
in
the
non-profit
sector
is,
is
a
key
way
to
support
that
particular
problem
and
I.
Think
another
thing
the
city
needs
to
seriously
look
at
which
hasn't
been
discussed
is
consider
notwithstanding
Bill
23,
and
it's
it's
a
suggestion
that
it
might
limit
the
the
capacities
of
council
but
to
explore
rental
replacement
vitals.
So
when
we
are
knocking
down
existing
older
rental
buildings
at
low
rents,
generally,
you
know
below
the
CM.
AR
Is
the
average
Market
rent
that
we
actually
place
that
same
number
of
units
at
the
same
rents
as
part
of
the
new
development?
It's
a
condition
of
Redevelopment
a
number
of
municipalities,
both
in
Ontario
and
outside
of
Ontario,
have
those
kind
of
bylaws
and
it
can
be
an
effective
way
to
to
preserve
the
existing
stock,
so
I'll
end
there.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Z
Hi
Steve
nice
to
see
you
I'm
very
curious
to
understand.
You
know
what
what
you're
implying
for
the
rental
replacement
bylaw
within
the
purview
of
the
city
of
Ottawa
I
know
that
there
had
been
a
rental
replacement
mentioned
in
the
official
plan,
but
then
that
part
was
removed
by
The
Province
when
it
was
fully
ratified.
So
what
are
the
implications
for
that
and
what
actions
might
we
be
able
to
take
within
the
recommendations
of
this
report?
Right.
AR
Currently,
it's
a
little
uncertain
the
the
new
legislation
as
part
of
that
legislation
and
the
bill
was
introduced.
It
said
that
the
province
would
study
whether
in
fact
it
would
allow
municipalities
to
continue
to
adopt
the
governmental
replacement
bottle,
so
it
hasn't
actually
been
legislated
yet
so
the
capacity
is
still
there.
The
threat
was
that
they
would
they
would
stop
it
from
happening.
AR
Essentially,
it
is,
as
I
mentioned,
I
mean
the
bylaws
in
Toronto,
for
example,
required
that
any
you
know
the
same
number
of
units
of
the
same
configuration.
If
there
were
three
bedroom
units,
they
had
to
be
three
bedrooms.
If
they're
renting
a
thousand
bucks
they'd
be
a
thousand
bucks,
whatever
the
rent
guideline
was
for
the
last
couple
of
years,
so
trying
to
preserve
that,
and
given
that
return,
we're
talking
about
smaller
properties,
you
know
you're
sort
of
older
1960s,
1970s
walk-ups,
maybe
20
20
30
units.
AR
A
Thank
you
very
much
councilor
Johnson
Steve.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
presentation
today.
So
I've
asked
Carolyn
and
Katie
to
come
back
to
the
table.
I
know.
Carolyn
has
limited
time
so
I'm
happy
to
open
up
the
Florida
questions
of
them
and
we
can
probably
try
to
keep
that
in
the
order
of
questions
rather
than
comments
for
a
little
bit
get
as
many
through
as
possible.
Counselor
troster
I.
I
S
Thank
you
for
that
question.
Counselor,
troster
and
I
have
to
apologize
I'm
headed
off
this
afternoon
to
Toronto
for
a
Amo
conference
on
ending
homelessness,
so
I
think
what
we've
heard
today
is
that
there's
a
tremendous
amount
of
capacity
from
co-op
housing
from
social
and
Supportive
Housing.
We
didn't
have
anyone
from
OCH
today,
other
than
counselor
Kavanaugh,
who
is
on
the
board,
but
I
I.
S
Think
that
there's
also
a
lot
of
capacity
there
we're
seeing
it
in
Gladstone,
so
I
would
like
to
see
City
staff
continue
to
work
with
some
of
the
folks
who
are
here
today
in
a
partnership
in
a
co-development
approach.
That's
something
that
Courtney
talked
about
a
lot
to
try
to
make
things
work
for
social
housing.
Quite
often
the
best
is
the
enemy
of
the
good,
and
we
I
I
hope
it's
clear
from
this
report
that
we
can't
get
super
deep
affordability
from
city
sources
alone.
It's
it's
a
big
infrastructure
issue.
S
It
needs
collaboration
but
I've.
Seen.
For
instance,
the
city
of
Toronto
came
up
with
a
report
on
how
to
scale
up
rapid
modular
housing,
Supportive
Housing
the
very
same
day
that
the
rapid
Housing
Initiative
was
first
announced.
I
still
find
that
a
bit
suspicious,
but
in
any
case
they
were
able
to
hit
the
ground
running
I've
seen
Edmonton
and
Calgary
very
effectively
go.
This
is
what
we're
going
to
do
over
to
you
Province
over
to
you,
feds
and
I.
Think
that
kind
of
collaborative
partnership,
co-development
approach
is
really
important.
S
We
didn't
think
that
we
had
the
capacity
to
scale
up
in
the
70s
and
80s
that
there
wasn't.
There
was
public
housing
there
wasn't
that
much
Co-op
or
non-profit
housing,
and
it
happened.
It
happened
with
Municipal
and
federal
and
provincial
support.
I
think
the
capacity
is
there
again
and
I
think
it's
really
important
to,
as
Steve
just
said,
to
build
up
the
capacity
of
an
asset
base
of
non-profit
housing.
I
R
Yeah
absolutely
well
I
mean
I.
Think
one
really
encouraging
piece
is
that
this
sector
is
increasingly
aligned
like
there
is,
there's
been
a
shift,
I
would
say,
since
2020
of
just
we
are
working
together,
we've
always
been
collaborative
but
I
think
there's
a
real
appetite
for
coordination.
So
that's
something
that
I
think
has
shifted
and
and
we're
seeing
some
of
that
with
really
strong
Partnerships
around
OCH
buildings
around
you
know:
Supportive
Housing
providers
working
with
OCH
but
I.
R
Think
in
terms
of
having
a
systems-based
approach,
you
need
strong
governance
at
a
strategic
system-wide
level.
You
need
data
to
drive
your
outcomes
and
your
decisions,
and
then
you
need
sort
of
the
nuts
and
bolts
of
actually
doing
the
coordination
work.
So
those
things
are
key
and
in
the
context
of
scaling
up
non-profit
housing,
we
know
we
need
scale,
but
our
scale
also
needs
to
match
our
projections
right.
So
that's
so
much
of
the
important
work
that
Carolyn's
done
in
terms
of
the
heart
tool.
R
We
really
need
to
make
sure
we're
actually
building
the
housing
for
the
people
that
need
the
housing,
also
based
on
our
official
plan
projections
and
in
that
preventing
people
from
becoming
homeless
in
the
first
place
is
the
other
component
of
this.
It's
a
both
and
and
I'm
really
glad
that
Steve
spoke
last,
because
I
think
he
highlighted
both
the
capital
side
of
that
with
acquisition.
R
But
he's
also
done
some
great
work
on
you
know
we
could
reach
50
of
our
wait
list
in
10
years
if
we
actually
just
provided
the
preventative
subsidies
for
people
who
are
about
to
fall
into
the
system,
but
are
not
there
yet,
and
we
talk
about
our
shelters
overflowing,
particularly
with
families.
Those
families
had
red
flags
within
the
system
months
before,
and
there
are
rent
subsidies
that
are
available,
and
actually
we
know
some
of
the
challenges
is
getting
people
out
of
shelter
because
of
the
rgi
piece
not
wanting
to
take
subsidies.
R
K
Thank
you
very
much,
I
mean
a
million
times
over
I
just
want
to
focus
on
this
motion,
so
you
know
how
the
motion
we
made
sure
it
was
clear
that
for
sure
this
is
for
the
housing
accelerator
fund,
but
then
there's
all
that
is
to
come
right.
So
when
Council
troster
asked
about
generally
the
governance-
and
you
said
you
know,
the
governance
is
key.
K
That's
another
thing
that
has
to
be
scaled
up,
though
right
now
is
now
where
this
application
has
to
be
in
in
June,
and
so
when
you
say
you
know,
we
all
need
to
work
together
and
the
point
being
yeah
who's
us
and
there's
so
many
of
us.
What
do
you
think
that
actually
looks
like
on
the
ground
right
now
working
together,
because
we
have
to
get
this
application
in.
R
So
I
mean
obviously
we
know
the
city
is
going
to
be
putting
in
that
application
for
the
housing
accelerator
fund,
but
I
think
some
really
strong
partnership.
That's
clearly
outlined
ahead
of
time
in
terms
of
how
the
sector
is
going
to
work
together.
Obviously,
OCH
is
a
big
part
of
that,
and
one
thing
that
I
think
is
really
interesting.
R
So
some
level
of
a
concrete
here
is
where
we
as
a
system
agree
what
needs
to
happen
in
terms
of
our
outcomes
and
we're
going
to
have
to
figure
out
the
Partnerships
to
do
that,
and
just
on
the
governance
piece,
there
has
been
some
really
great
work
done.
The
city
hired
a
consultant.
There's
a
report
coming
out
at
the
end
of
June,
with
with
basically
a
proposal
of
a
governance
model
for
the
homelessness
and
housing
sector.
Implementation
is
a
whole
other
story.
K
Okay,
thank
you.
I
will
just
make
that
point
that
you
know
I
think,
there's
a
clear
message
from
the
government
right
now
that
you
have
to
have
shovel
ready
sites
right,
that's
what
they
don't
want
to
fool
around
with
people
either
that
are
not
ready,
so
I
think
the
other
message
in
there
is
that
absolutely
we
have
shovel
ready
sites.
K
A
E
E
Is
it
being
shared
in
any
formal
or
informal
ways
with
with
the
other
levels
of
government,
either
at
the
political
level
or
at
the
at
the
agency
or
Department
level
I'm,
just
maybe
looking
for
some
more
context
around
your
advocacy
with
other
levels
of
government,
because,
as
as
we've
heard
many
times
today,
all
three
levels
of
government
need
to
be
working
together
and
I.
Think
a
good
awareness
of
some
of
the
challenges
and
opportunities
are
foundational
to
that.
R
Yeah,
that's
a
great
question,
so
we
have
had
conversations
with
local
mpps
on
this
and
I
think.
Sadly,
based
on
the
funding
situation
that
with
the
provincial
government
last
week,
it's
actually
opened
up
a
line
of
conversation
with
The
Minister's
office
directly
between
us
and
the
alliance.
So
that's
been
a
positive
direction
and
I
think.
In
that
sense,
we
will
always
shamelessly
attempt
to
leverage
this
report
and
bring
that
into
the
conversation
and
then
federally
we've
had
a
really
positive
meeting
with
the
shadow
cabinet.
R
Minister,
sorry
Scott
HSN
and
he
was
I
mean
he's
been
a
mayor,
so
he
gets
what
this
looks
like
on
the
ground
and
we
found
that
a
really
positive
conversation
and
I
do
think.
Whatever
happens
politically.
I
think
that
kind
of
support
is
valuable
in
terms
of
bringing
forward
this
kind
of
message.
So
that's
been
our
engagement
and
I'll.
Let
Carolyn
take
on
the
rest
of
that
answer.
S
C
S
Aside
from
the
housing
need
assessment
tool
which
you
saw
today,
there
is
a
land
assessment
tool
which
was
also
referred
to
in
the
report,
as
well
as
an
Acquisitions
tool,
a
tool
waiting
for
a
national
program
and
there's
a
lot
of
excitement
in
municipality
across
Canada
for
all
of
those
tools
and
there's
a
lot
of
there's
a
lot
of
potential
for
the
programs.
The
national
programs
that
are
currently
coming
up
with
such
poor
outcomes.
In
many
cases
for
homelessness
and
and
core
housing
need,
they
are
being
reviewed.
S
That's
you
know
what
I
can
say
right
now,
so
I'd
say
that
this
reports
very
much
on
the
Forefront
of
the
program.
I,
don't
want
to
sound
like
Field
of
Dreams,
but
if
you
kind
of
set
it
aside
and
start
building
on
it,
I
think
that
you're
going
to
be
in
a
much
stronger
position
to
get
better,
certainly
Federal
funding
for
the
kinds
of
things
that
we're
talking
about.
G
Yes,
I
wanted
to
thank
you
for
this
report.
It
was
phenomenal
and
it's
it's
enlightening
as
well
too,
as
we're
struggling
as
municipality.
All
municipalities
are
starting
to
find
out
exactly
to
counselor
troster's
point.
You
know
what
do
we
do?
First?
How
do
we
start
this?
What
seems
like
an
instrumentable
Hill
to
climb
which
it's
not
we
need
to
start
just
getting
it
done?
G
I
will
limit
my
comments
because
I
know
Charlie
Burr
is
cognizant
of
the
time.
My
question
is
more
so
about
the
unlocking
of
city
of
land.
You
had
mentioned
that
that
will
be
key
to
this
process.
I
fully
agree.
There's
one
person
of
land
in
my
ward
that
I've
been
really
advocating
for
to
have
you
know:
Supportive
Housing,
affordable
housing,
something
of
that
nature
on
that
would
be
perfect
for
this.
However,
it's
nothing's
moving
like
everything's.
This
needs
to
be
a
blockage
to
opening
up
those
lands
at
the
city.
G
Does
own
and
I
was
curious
from
your
perspective,
I'm
going
to
ask
us
some
questions,
Steve
staff,
but
from
your
perspective,
what
is
what
is
the
obstacles
to
accessing
that
land
and
when
it
is
open?
You
mentioned
that
there's
capacity
in
in
the
network
that
different
providers
can
take
this
on.
That's
not
always
been
the
case,
I'm
just
curious.
If
we
open
up
these
lands,
how
fast
can
these
homes
be
built?
How
quickly
can
we
see
action.
S
I'm,
so
sorry
that
Graham
Cassie
of
Capco
had
to
leave
early
because
cadco's
creating
a
national
tool
kit
for
non-profit
or
social
housing
providers,
again
I
think
it's
it.
Housing
is
really
complex
and
there's
no
Magic
Bullets.
But
what
I'm,
seeing
more
and
more
is
a
Readiness
to
work
together
to
scale
up
I.
Think
one
of
the
main
barriers
councilor
dudas
has
been
folks
looking
at
the
programs
that
exist
and
finding
it
hard
to
pencil
out
at
the
levels
of
affordability,
they
would
want.
I
would
say
two
things.
S
The
first
is
as
as
Steve
Pomeroy
said
you
may
have
to
layer.
Some
additional
housing
benefit
on
it,
to
get
it
to
deep,
to
get
some
of
the
homes
on
deep
affordability,
but
that
it's
a
better
bet
to
layer
it
on
top
of
existing
non-profit
housing.
That's
assured
for
more
than
10
years
or
more
than
20
years,
but
for
the
lifetime
of
a
household
than
it
is
to
put
it
into
private
development.
I
mean
that's,
certainly
the
way
that
Quebec
does
it
and
I
think
it's
really
important
to
Forge
ahead
with
proposals.
S
Even
if
they
have
a
mix
of
incomes,
they
don't
perhaps
deliver
the
deepest
form
of
affordability,
but
some
of
those
can
be
set
aside
as
affordable
as
Supportive
Housing,
with
deep
affordability.
So
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
again
is
that
sometimes
we've
seen
the
best
be
an
enemy
of
the
good.
We
kind
of
look
at
that
and
we
go.
S
R
I
would
add
to
that
counselor
dudas
and
I
I
may
be
speaking
out
of
turn,
but
you
can
tell
me
if
I'm
wrong,
Carolyn,
what's
to
stop
Council
from
putting
up
rfps
by
the
end
of
the
year
for
those
20
persons
of
land
like
it's
green
means,
go
like
this
is
totally
the
moment
with
the
housing
accelerator
fund
too
and
I
think
that's
the
kind
of
vision
that
the
federal
government
is
looking
for.
So
that
would
be
I
think
one
of
the
biggest
steps
forward
in
that.
In
that
regard,
thank.
G
You
I
appreciate
it.
I
also
want
to
just
quickly
point
out
that
the
comments
about
preventing
people
from
becoming
homeless
is
so
key,
and
that's
going
to
be
important
as
well
as
operational,
ongoing
funding
like
supports
for
folks.
So
that's
a
different
committee,
but
I
do
I.
Do
look
forward
to
speaking
with
you
further
about
how
that
also
ties
into
this
very
important
report.
Thank
you.
Both.
Y
Y
I
am
as
a
city
councilor,
who
represents
the
area
called
herongate
that
made
International
headlines
several
years
ago,
I'm
extremely
interested
in
how
we
can
actually
move
forward
and
prevent
situations
like
that
ever
happening
again.
Can
you
speak
a
little
bit
to
how
some
of
the
recommendations
in
your
report
can
help
address,
specifically
the
case
that
we
had
there
where
hundreds
of
people
lost
their
homes
through
benedictions.
S
Nothing,
that's
in
this
report
mitigates
against
a
good
acquisition
strategy
and
nothing.
That's
in
this
report
mitigates
against
the
very
important
element
of
preventing
homelessness.
Obviously,
what
would
have
prevented
herongate
was
the
ability
to
have
a
first
right
of
refusal
which,
unfortunately,
the
Ontario
government
doesn't
yet
allow
and
then
to
step
in
and
buy
a
betland
before
it
got
lost.
S
S
Y
Y
We've
had
people
coming
off
the
social
Housing
Registry
wait
list
that
are
not
able
to
maintain
their
unit
because
they
don't
have
those
those
supports
in
place
and
so
and
we've
also
seen
in
our
in
our
Wards,
like
in
my
ward.
Just
regular
developers
are
not
developing
because
the
costs
are
so
high.
The
interest
rates
are
so
high,
so
is
it
really
attainable?
If
you
could
speak
to
that,
I'd
appreciate.
S
It
yeah
I'll
go
first
and
then
hand
it
over
to
Katie.
The
short
answer
is
yes,
so
Montreal,
which
is
a
city?
That's
a
little
over
2
million,
now
or
1
million,
has
a
target
of
6
000
non-profit
a
year
through
both
new
build
and
through
Acquisitions.
But
you
know
when
you
look
at
the
the
ambition
of
a
project
like
the
one
at
the
former
bluebonnets
race
course
in
Montreal,
you
see
a
city
firing
with
all
cylinders
and
a
really
exciting
way.
S
I
think
it
starts
with
ambitious
targets,
and
then
it
starts
with
a
can-do
attitude.
I
mean
you
know:
I'll
just
go
internationally
for
a
moment:
France
started
off
in
2000
with
20
social
housing
targets.
Paris
went
a
step
further
and
now
has
35
percent
social
housing
targets,
which
it's
meeting
is
meeting
through.
A
combination
of
acquisition
and
new,
build
and
I've
been
to
some
of
those
projects.
S
Y
Thank
you
and
I
asked
that,
of
course,
because
what
the
mayor's
housing
pledges
you
pointed
out,
it's
151
000
units
to
be
built,
I
think
by
2031,
and
we've
got
a
commitment
in
the
op
for
20
of
new
approvals
to
be
not
not
profit
or
affordable,
and
that's
over
3
000
homes
a
year
and
and
I
not
and
not
attainable.
So
I
appreciate
very
much
your
report
and
questions.
S
R
In
speaking
as
well
with
Graham
yesterday
from
cadco
I
mean
he
said
we
could
be
getting
higher
than
a
thousand
right
now.
He
certainly
thinks
we
could
be,
and
the
sector's
ready
I
think
that
I've
seen
City
staff
work
really
hard
whenever
any
opportunity
comes
up
for
housing
like
I've
seen
that
scramble
happen
in
the
last
three
years,
especially
and
I
think
with
a
really
coordinated,
strong,
Target
approach.
I
think
we
could
be
significantly
scaling
up.
L
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
very
much
for
the
report
and
meeting
with
me
and
with
all
the
counselors
to
take
that
extra
time.
I
appreciate
it
as
we
speak.
I
missed
a
grand
opening
of
for
OCH
housing
and
it
was
270
units
that
were
were
being
launched
and,
and
there
was
already
140
that
were
for
phase
one
and
that's
Rochester
Heights.
L
So
on
our
way
on
our
way,
we
have
an
advantage
if,
when
I
say
we
Ottawa
Community
Housing,
because
we
own
our
own
land
and
that
that
means
we
have
control
where
the
city
is
our
only
shareholder.
And
so
we
work
closely
with
the
city
and
I
know
that
there's
things
that
could
be
done
better
we're
in
the
midst
of
kind
of
rehiring,
I
guess
for
the
city
because
there's
some
vacancies.
L
So
what
would
you
say
to
people
coming
in
is
new
stuff
because
we
want
to
make
the
process
better
for
non-profit
Ottawa.
Community
Housing,
of
course,
is
part
of
that
I'm,
particularly
interested
in
Supportive
Housing,
which
Ottawa
Community
Housing
doesn't
do
directly
and
and
I
I
see
the
need.
I
had
a
lovely
visit
with
by
Tone.
S
The
short
answer
on
that
counselor
Kavanaugh
is
a
partnership
approach
that
I
definitely
think
Ottawa
can
do
in
Vancouver.
The
phrase
review
the
the
first
three
properties
offered
by
the
city
of
Vancouver
on
their
land
was
done
by
the
BC
Community
Land
Trust,
which
is
the
combined
assets
of
all
the
co-ops
in
BC
about
four
billion
dollars
in
assets,
and
they
went
out
to
two
groups.
S
Tikvah
I
think
one
was
one
group
which
is
a
group
for
people
with
Supportive
Housing
for
people
with
developmental
disabilities.
The
second
group
I
forget
what
the
name
of
it
is,
but
it
was
a
seniors,
Supportive,
Housing
and
so
those
are
a
mix
of
there's
some
co-op
units
and
two
buildings
and
then
there's
two
other
well
actually
one's
a
separate
building
and
one's
part
of
the
co-op
building.
S
That
is
run
as
Supportive
Housing
Calgary
just
did
a
renovation
of
an
office
building
and
it
has
a
combination
of
social
housing
and
housing
with
supports.
So
it's
entirely
possible
for
public
Builders
such
as
Calgary
housing,
to
work
with
Supportive
Housing
providers,
and
that's
the
kind
of
approach
that
I
think
might
work.
I
think
that
OCH
is
very
much
doing
the
work
of
a
municipal
development
company
and
there's
no
reason
why
they
can't
work
in
partnership
with
other
supportive
well
with
Supportive
Housing
providers.
R
They're
telling
me
that
you
know
back
in
the
early
2000s,
they
were
getting
30
percent
of
the
people
coming
into
their
buildings,
who
had
very
high
needs.
Now
it's
closer
to
70
percent.
That
is
an
extremely
difficult
context
with
which
to
work.
Most
of
those
folks
need
Supportive
Housing.
The
Partnerships
are
happening
in
really
significant
ways
and
absolutely
scaling
up
that
piece,
but
I
do
think.
L
Thank
you
very
much
and
the
other
thing
I
have
to
say
it.
Besides,
the
20
identified
lots
that
have
come
up
and
that
were
identified
in
2018.
it
it
was.
It
there's
also
other
Parcels.
There
too,
you
just
have
to
I
love,
Geo
Auto.
What's
great
shows
you
in
that
purple
where
city
land
is
and
I
think
that
there's
other
opportunities
as
well
that
we
need
to
look
at
in
the
future.
S
Sorry
to
jump
in,
but
the
the
Heart
Project
worked
with
the
city
of
ottawan
identified
200
sites.
I'm,
not
saying
that's
an
inclusive
use
an
inclusive
list
and
it
did
include
sites
that
were
owned
by
the
NCC
or
the
federal
government
or
ground
corporations,
and
the
provincial
government,
as
well
as
the
city
but
200
sites
have
been
identified,
did.
L
Ottawa,
okay,
thank
you.
No
I
look
forward
to
working
on
this.
We
need
to
work
together
and
be
supportive
of
each
other.
I
know
that
Ottawa
Community
Housing
has
been
part
of
your
working
with
you
and
but
there's
there's
much
to
do
and
we
we
can't
handle
it
all,
particularly
at
the
support.
I'm
really
glad
you
mentioned
about
the
the
need
and
and
the
intake
that
we're
we're
getting
appreciate.
It
thanks.
AS
Thank
you
chair.
Thanks
to
you,
both
I
can't
I
think
be
stated
enough.
How
lucky
we
are
to
have
your
Brilliant
Minds
on
this
and
I
know.
Katie
and
I
had
a
great
conversation
recently,
something
that
I've
heard
from
developers
of
all
sizes
is
that
a
major
roadblock
to
building
housing
more
quickly
in
this
city
seems
to
be
a
risk
averseness
that
allegedly,
is
a
little
bit
uniquely
Ottawa,
and
that
we
have
a
very
lawyer
driven
planning
process
here,
no
disrespect
to
our
legal
team.
AS
R
Absolutely
there's
a
reason
that
Alberta
is
leading
the
way
when
it
comes
to
reducing
homelessness
in
significant
ways
and
building
up
and
scaling
up.
It's
because
they're
cowboys
they're
willing
to
actually
push
back
and
they're
willing
to
actually
say
you
know
what
we're
going
to
break
some
things
and
we're
going
to
get
it
done
not
to
use
our
premier's
language
but
absolutely
and
so
I
do
think
there
is
something
to
it
that
we
have
to
say
go.
We
cannot,
let
perfect
be
the
enemy
of
a
good,
which
I
think
does
happen
here.
R
Sometimes
we
got
a
nightmare
now.
So,
let's
just
lean
into
that
and
start
saying
yes
and
I.
Think
right
now
we
are
sometimes
in
a
position
where
our
default
setting
is
no
our
default.
Setting
needs
to
become
yes
and
then,
if
something
goes
terribly
wrong,
we'll
figure
it
out,
but
we
need
to
say
yes
first.
So
thank
you
for
that
question.
AS
R
And
I
think
it
opens
the
space
for
the
smaller
guys
to
really
get
in
there
and
do
that
work
and
I.
Think,
especially
when
you
look
at
Partnerships
of
who
has
capacity
to
build,
we
know
ochccoc
and
the
land.
Trust
is
a
piece
of
that,
but
all
these
smaller
providers
that
are
ready
to
go
a
lot
of
those
folks
are
alliance
members
and
they
want
to
ambitiously
scale
up
their
housing,
but
they
may
not
always
be
the
best
position
to
build,
but
they
could
be
great
at
running
housing.
R
So
there's
that
piece
and
I
think
also
prioritizing
non-profit
housing
in
that
kind
of
an
office
is
extremely
valuable
and
it's
a
time
when
Bill
23
has
stopped
developers
from
building
because
it
makes
no
Financial
sense.
Even
though
Bill
23
is
a
silver
platter,
and
it's
because
because
of
interest
rates
versus
non-profit,
where
we
can
get
that
two
percent
interest
rate
from
cmhc
50
years
amortization
like
there's,
this
is
actually
a
great
window
of
time.
S
Yet
we
haven't,
we
haven't,
got
the
two
percent
times
35
yet,
but
that's
certainly
that
was
the
secret
sauce
in
the
80s
and
that's
certainly
something
we're
working
on.
Just
to
add
to
that,
I
want
to
reinforce
two
points
that
Katie
made.
The
developer
doesn't
need
to
be
the
provider,
so
OCH
could
be
the
developer
and
not
be
the
provider.
And
another
thing
to
keep
in
mind
is
that
it
is
possible
for
the
municipal
government
to
guarantee
loans.
S
The
unitarians,
what
I've,
seen
with
some
affordable
housing
offices
in
other
cities,
is
that
there's
some
active
work
with
churches,
for
instance
the
United
Church,
to
give
that
one
example
has
been
incredibly
good
in
redeveloping
the
air
rights
on
top
of
churches
and
I'd
love
to
see
greater
partnership
with
some
of
the
indigenous
housing
organizations
to
help
build
up
their
capacity
on
both
public
land,
but
also
on
Churchland
I,
see
that
as
a
very
essential
part
of
reconciliation.
So
that's
the
kind
of
thing
that
are
really
cooking
with
gas.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Councilor
kids,
before
I,
open
up
to
round
two
of
discussion.
I
know
Carolyn,
probably
has
to
leave
if
the.
If
the
recommendations
of
this
report
are
reflected
in
our
upcoming
housing
accelerator
fund
application,
what
should
this
committee
and
what
should
this
Council
expect?
That
will
actually
look
like
at
a
nuts
and
bolts
level.
S
Mechanisms
within
it
I'd
love
to
see
some
more
work
on.
What
are
the
parking
requirement
needs
for
instance,
of
Social
and
Supportive
Housing
I
know
what
the
answer
is,
but
I
think
it
would
be
good
to
have
that.
That's
a
very
small
amount
of
money,
I'd
say
the
main
amount
of
money
would
have
to
do
with
the
Readiness
of
some
sites.
I
mean
the
total
Quantum.
That's
expected
from
the
housing
accelerator
fund
across
Canada
isn't
huge.
S
It's
a
hundred
thousand
homes
across
Canada
over
four
years,
and
they
certainly
will
look
kindly
on
applications
that
have
a
strong
Equity
Focus.
So
I
would
focus
on
some
small,
medium
and
large
scale
projects
and
what
it
would
take
from
the
housing
accelerator
fund
over
the
next
four
years
to
get
them
over
the
line.
S
Well,
look
the
housing
accelerator
fund
is
saying,
look
at
what
you've
done
so
far
like
the
op,
which
is
really
great
and
then
what's
the
little
extra
stuff
that
you
can
do
that
you
aren't
doing
yet
and
I'm.
You
know,
City
staff
will
know
that,
but
I
think
that
City
staff
can
talk
to
some
of
the
really
great
housing
providers
and
say
what's
the
secret
sauce
that
we
need
in
order
to
get
some
more
projects
over
the
line.
S
Let's
say
a
thousand
a
year
for
the
next
four
years:
what's
it
going
to
take
to
get
that
over
the
line
with
even
deeper
affordability
and
the
other
thing
that
the
cmhc
appears
to
be
asking
for
is
what's
what's
scalable?
What
are
the
things
that
we
can
do
now
that
can
help
enable
housing
in
the
future
and
I
think
showing
a
really
viable
model
of
how
we
can
scale
up
Social
and
supportive
is
something
that
we
can
continue
to
build
on
for
the
future.
A
S
Well,
I
I
mean
there
were
City
staff
here
today.
Listening
to
some
of
the
really
excellent,
deputations
and
I
would
ask
some,
you
know,
are
you
talking
to
all
of
these
potential
folks?
There
was
some
really
great
Architects
I.
You
know,
there's
some
really
great
Finance
people
out
there
there's
some
really
amazing
people
who
can
contribute,
who
haven't
contributed
that
much
yet
you
know,
I've
been
working
with
Scotiabank
they're
fantastic
Vancity
is
in
Ontario.
S
R
AR
R
A
A
So
before
I
open
it
up
to
questions
Claire,
thank
you
very
much
for
joining.
Thank
you.
It's
been
a
long
day,
obviously,
and
I
appreciate
everybody
me
and
as
engaged
as
they
have
been
today,
do
you
want
to
take
a
few
moments
just
to
react
to
what
you've
heard?
Let
us
know
what
you're
thinking
about
what
what
you've
heard
said
today.
AT
AT
I
have
was
Paul
Paul
Levine
here
beside
me,
is
the
director
of
Housing
Services
Lauren
Reeves
here,
who
is
our
the
manager
of
our
affordable
housing
unit
and
there's
a
whole
team
of
homelessness
and
housing
staff
that
each
and
every
day
are
literally
running
into
the
wee
hours?
Looking
for
solutions
to
the
crisis
that
we're
facing
right
now,
our
community
social
services
and
I'll
speak
from
our
community
Social
Services
perspective
and
David.
AT
Weiss
is
here
from
our
planning
as
our
planning
colleague,
our
Planning
Group
and
colleagues
from
Community,
Social,
Services
and
our
and
our
whole
team.
We
are
grateful
for
the
report
we're
going
to
use
the
report.
You'll
hear
us
reference
the
report
when
we
come
back
to
you
with
our
reports
and
we
are
reading
it
with
interest
and
we
are
committed,
first
and
foremost
to
our
Council,
approved
10-year
housing
and
homelessness
plan.
AT
To
ensure
that
everyone
who
wants
a
place
to
sleep
has
one
that's
a
commitment
that
our
Council
has
made.
That's
commitment
that
we
as
a
sector
have
made
together
and
we
take
that
very
seriously.
At
the
same
time,
we
are
going
to
be
renewing
our
housing
and
homelessness
plan
in
2024,
and
we
do
see
a
potential
to
increase
a
focus
on
Supportive
Housing
and
to
really
look
at
our
policy
framework
around.
AT
How
do
we,
from
a
financial
perspective,
find
the
Investments
to
be
able
to
really
deepen
the
affordability
on
all
the
developments
that
we
move
forward
and
we
TR?
We
truly
are
committed
and
look
forward
to
continuing
to
work
with
the
sector
and
with
Council
on
an
investment
strategy
because,
ultimately
and
two
Council
Curry's
point-
we
have
a
plan,
we
need
the
money,
that's
that's
the
bottom
line,
and
so
when
we
talk
about
land
and
I'm,
not
the
expert.
AT
AT
The
budget,
24
2024
budget
process
and
I
think
I'll
I'll
stop
there,
but
I
do
want
to
acknowledge
and
thank
our
my
sector,
colleagues
and
and
you
counselors
around
the
table
for
really
also
speaking
to
the
other
side
of
this,
which
is
the
policy
framework
that
we
work
under
from
a
provincial
perspective.
Federal
perspective,
a
more
provincial
perspective
where
Income
Support
rates
have
not
increased
since
2018.
AT
Council
troster
spoke
to
rent
control,
that's
a
huge
issue
and
inter-government
Co-op
collaboration
and
coordination
in
terms
of
our
Health
Partners,
or
is
something
that
we
as
a
municipality.
Around
Municipal
tables
continue
to
advocate,
for
so
we
are
committed,
is
what
you're
hearing
from
me,
and
we
definitely
will
take
the
report
under
consideration
as
we
move
forward
our
various
plans
and
bring
those
back
to
you
and
now
I'll.
Ask
my
colleague,
David
weitz
from
planning
to
say
a
few
words
about
specifically
the
accelerator
fund.
M
Thank
you
very
much
and
again
charity.
It
is
a
pleasure
and
I
want
to
thank
again
the
the
authors
of
the
Sushi
report
and
their
contributions
and
the
the
recommendations
that
they
provided
as
well
in
terms
of
where
we
are
at
right
now,
we
do
have
to
understand
and
appreciate
that,
in
terms
of
laying
out
that
policy
framework
for
us
to
move
forward,
we
have
made
substantial
progress.
M
There
were
really
four
buckets
with
that.
One
of
them
was
stimulating
new
investment
in
housing
through
various
rezoning
initiatives.
Things
like
that
forming
those
strategic
Partnerships
by
looking
for
ways
to
incentivize
housings
through
Community
Improvement
plans
through
working
directly
with
our
housing,
Partners
Och
and
such
to
find
ways
to
leverage
what
resources
we
have,
what
lands
we
have
through
ocltc
to
bring
housing
opportunities
to
the
fore.
M
The
housing
bucket
number
three
was:
how
do
we
streamline
our
approvals
processes
as
well
to
make
sure
that
we
are
not
getting
in
the
way
as
much
as
we
reasonably
can?
Of
course,
we
do
have
a
regulatory
role,
but
to
see
where
we
can
maybe
lighten
the
load,
particularly
with
respect
to
non-profit
housing
providers
and
so
on,
and
then
the
fourth
one
of
course
is
Monitor,
so
we
can
be
held
to
account
for
where
we
go.
M
So
you
could
see
the
seven
initiatives
that
we
were
proposing
to
maximize
the
amount
of
funding
that
we
can
get
from
this
program
to
apply
for
housing
and
so
that
you
would
have
the
opportunity
to
weigh
in
and
look
at
what
staff
is
recommending
and
either
make
adjustments
suggest
some
other
Alternatives
and
suggest
some
other
directions.
That
is
still
fully
Our
intention
to
be
able
to
bring
those
things
forward
and
I
can
tell
you
that
that
active
work
on
that
housing
accelerator
fund
is
continuing
right.
M
The
timeline
for
that
is
June
14th
when
that
submission
does
need
to
get
in
it's
a
very
compressed
timeline,
it's
a
very
aggressive
timeline,
but
we
also
know
that
we
have
a
lot
of
actions
that
the
city
is
already
in
progress
from
both
within
Housing
Services
and
also,
of
course,
on
the
policy
front,
as
well
and
within
development
review
that
we
are
working
aggressively
towards
as
well.
So
we
will
be
bringing
that
for
your
for
your
consultation
and
we
look
forward
to
discussing
that
at
that
time.
A
A
K
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
yeah
I
hope
you
are
hearing
that
we're
not
saying
that
you
know
only
the
community
knows
what
we
should
be
doing.
We
understand
you're
all
working
on
this
as
well.
It's
almost
like
this
is
it
takes
a
whole
village.
The
stars
are
aligning,
let's
make
sure
we
all
do
this
as
effectively
and
efficiently
as
possible.
K
So
thank
you
for
all
of
that.
I
guess.
My
one
thing
I
want
to
ask
is
so
the
this
motion
asks
that
you
consider
all
the
recommendations,
but
what
I
didn't
put
in
this
motion
was
that
you,
let
us
know
which
ones
you
didn't
take.
You
know
so
there's
a
bunch
of
recommendations,
and
maybe
some
of
them
you'll
take
even
half
of
a
recommendation,
part
of
it,
but
not
fully.
Would
you
be
able
to
come
back
to
us
and
say
these
are
the
ones
we
absolutely
took
into
consideration
put
in
the
report.
AT
Through
youth
Mr
chair,
it's
it's
a
little
more
iterative
than
that
I
would
say,
as
we
take.
For
instance,
a
look
at
our
10-year
housing
homelessness
plan,
we'll
be
looking
at
the
report
and
we'll
be
identifying
how
we
can
take
multiple
elements
of
it,
even
some
principles
from
the
report,
for
instance.
So
we
it's
difficult
to
come
back
with
a
list
to
say
it's,
not
a
check,
yeah
difficult.
It's
not
a
check
mark
exercise.
I
guess
is
what
I
want
to
do.
K
That
yeah
I
can
appreciate
that
I
guess
I
just
would
like
to
have
an
understanding
of
ones
that
you
felt
like
we
couldn't
just
do
right
now.
It's
it
goes
to
comment.
Counselor
kits
made
about
risk
because
some
of
them
I
can
appreciate
that,
for
municipality
are
a
little
bit
risky.
They
even
just
some
of
the
funding
ideas
that
Ottawa
Community
Housing
is
using
may
be
seen
as
this
by
the
city
is
a
little
bit
too
risky,
but
I'm
hoping
not
I,
think
we
are
having
maybe
more
of
a
risk
tolerance
as
we.
K
Maybe
we
consider
it
more
of
an
emergency
I,
don't
know
what
it
is,
but
I
I
do
think
it
would
be
helpful
for
us
to
see
what
parts
of
it
you
didn't,
not
that
you
didn't
like
or
you're,
not
like
you
didn't.
You
thought
they
were
stupid
or
something
that,
but
that
were
just
not
for
the
moment
or
something
we
could
do
right
away.
AT
K
Mr
chair
has
disappeared,
okay,
so
I
guess
I
would
just
say,
though,
the
only
challenge
with
that
the
timing
is,
you
might
have
to
field
questions
on
you
know
we
are.
We
also
see
the
recommendations
you
know
so
I
guess
I
would
just
want
you
to
make
sure
you're
very
prepared
to
say
why
you're
not
looking
at
something
right
now
when
we
see
your
draft
report
sure,
because
you
know
a
council's
job
is
to
be
a
little
bit
more
risky,
I
think
and
provide
that
direction.
M
Yeah
counselor
I,
don't
think
necessarily
it's
a
question
of
risk.
It's
a
question
of
with
respect
to
the
housing
accelerator
fund
and
you
look
at
formulas
to
what
it
is
they're.
Looking
for.
A
lot
of
that
waiting
is
on
what's
going
to
deliver
permits
now
within
between
2023
and
2026..
So
those
are
the
things
we
know
that
we
do
need
to
be
very
aggressive
and
we
need
to
take
some
very
big,
bold
steps,
for
example,
on
the
zoning
side
policy
side.
M
Sometimes
those
are
in
association
with
the
list
of
properties
that
are
also
associated
with
City
owned
lands.
They
do
not
have
the
right
policy
framework
associated
with
it.
We've
got
to
do
a
lot
of
work
and
what
not
to
to
get
those
into
place.
Those
are
in
a
lot
of
cases,
more
longer
burn
items.
You
make
a
zoning
change.
You
make
a
policy
change.
M
Those
things
don't
reflect
themselves
into
actually
permits
being
built
for
quite
some
ways,
so
they're
going
to
get
scored
lower
in
the
application
process,
some
of
the
things
that
are
going
to
get
scored
higher
things
like
working
directly
with
our
housing
Partners.
Finding
ways
to
to
to
leverage
the
amount
we
know
that
in
a
lot
of
cases,
it's
the
it's
the
cash
flow,
it's
the
capital
to
get
to
those
housing
providers.
That
is
the
issue.
Those
are
things
where.
M
If
we
can
find
ways
to
leverage
the
housing
accelerator
fund
to
improve
that
situation,
perhaps
they
might
be
able
to
to
get
those
those
dollars
flowing
a
little
bit
more.
So
it's
not
necessarily
about
you
know
what
is
a
risky
decision
or
what
is
not.
It
is
what
is
the
best
pieces
to
bring
forward?
Now,
that's
going
to
be
most
effective
and
then
also
in
turn.
M
What
are
the
pieces
that
we
can
flow
into
our
longer
term
plans
into
our
longer
term
policy
changes
or
streamlining
changes,
as
Clara
mentioned,
the
10-year
housing
and
homelessness
plan,
the
other
pieces
that
are
all
going
to
flow
through.
So
it's
not
a
question
of
rejecting
any
of
these.
It's
a
question
of
what
are
the
best
things
that
we
can
do
right
now
and
what
are
the
things
that
we're
going
to
need
to
stage.
K
Okay,
that's
super
and
just
quickly
two
other
points.
Just
in
the
essence
of
time.
Katie
said
what
let
me
get
my
glasses
on.
What's
to
stop
us
from
issuing
rfps
on
the
20
Parcels
of
land.
What's
to
stop
us,
I
guess
I
would
just
ask
please
consider
that
question.
What
would
stop
us
from
doing
that?
Not
right
this
second
I,
don't
I'm
not
asking
for
an
answer,
but
I
guess
I
would
just
say:
can
you
please
really
seriously
contemplate
that
because
we
might
need
to
know
what
it
would
be?
K
That
would
stop
us
more
than
you
just
realizing
that
you
you
don't
want
to
do
that
or
you
can't
do
that
easily
and
then
the
second
thing
was
Katie
said
that
anything
she
can
do
or
they
can
do
to
help.
You
talk
to
the
right
people.
The
list
of
people
that
they
seem
to
be
talking
to
I
think
are
critical.
You
know,
I,
don't
I
never
like
to
insult
Fred
in
accounting,
because
Fred
and
accounting
is
important,
but
sometimes
it's
not
Fred
in
accounting.
K
AU
So
I
haven't
seen
the
list
of
the
20
Parcels
they're,
referring
to
in
terms
of
City
ownership,
or
to
have
to
take
a
look
at
that.
We
we
all.
Every
year
we
scrub
our
Our
Land
inventory
to
see
what
we
can
dispose
of
and
and
we
look
through
it
and
I
mean
I've,
been
with
the
city,
I
guess
now,
11
or
12
years,
and
we're
reaching
higher
and
higher
up
the
tree.
AU
The
low-hanging
fruit
is
gone
and
now
we're
getting
ladders
to
get
some
of
that
land
that
we
can
Surplus
and
and
put
on
the
market
or
or
to
transfer
to
Housing
Services
when
I
say
they're,
they're,
not
low-hanging
fruit.
A
lot
of
our
lands
have
environmental
issues
and
and
those
so
the
lands
aren't
necessarily
shovel
ready,
I
mean
they're
shovel
ready
and
that
we
have
to
do
something
with
the
contaminated
soil.
That's
on
there,
but
not
necessary
build
units.
AU
AS
M
Problem,
just
just
if
I
can
supplement
to
that
chair
just
through
that
is
there.
There
has
been
those
studies
that
we
have
looked
at
the
number
of
properties
that
are
located
in
short,
proximity
to
affordable
housing
stations
or
sorry
to
the
to
the
rapid
transit
Network.
I
should
say
we
do
know
that
a
lot
of
those
Parcels
when
we
went
through
and
did
that
assessment.
M
A
number
of
them
are
currently
being
occupied
and
used
to
staging
grounds
for
the
LRT
project,
for
example,
or
they
have
contamination
issues,
some
of
them
used
to
be
old
gas
station
sites
or
laundromat
sites.
They
actually
have
Brownfield
issues
associated
with
them,
as
I
said
before.
Some
of
them
also
have
significant
policy
issues.
What
not
that
are
associated
with
them.
So
from
that
triage
list
there
are
a
number
of
them
that
would
need
to
be
assessed
to
to
get
them
shovel
ready.
M
Our
colleagues
in
ocl
DC
are
working
on
a
few
of
them
to
to
prep
them
in
and
get
them
into
into
shape.
But
as
Peter
said,
those
were
things
that
we
would
like
to
to
go
through
and
do
a
more
comprehensive
review
to
see
what
the
opportunities
are
of
that
whole
triage
list
and
a
number
of
the
other
ones
that
I
know
are
are
with
Creo
to
see,
which
ones
might
be,
maybe
a
little
bit
more
ready
to
go
than
some
of
the
others.
AS
Thank
you
for
that
additional
context.
I'm
really
glad
that
that
works
being
done,
because
I
think
of
you
know
stage
two
coming
into
Orleans
and
what
a
huge
opportunity
for
affordable
housing
that
could
be
really
an
unprecedented
opportunity
for
affordable
housing
that
we
really
haven't
had
in
the
East
End.
So
looking
forward
to
to
more
on
that
and
I,
we
know
that
we
need
8
500,
more
affordable
units
based
on
our
10-year
housing
and
homelessness
plan.
AV
AV
Is
we've
had
higher
interest
rate
high
construction
costs,
so
the
projects
that
were
you
know
previously
approved
under
development
are
costing
more
so
a
lot
more
of
our
Equity
has
to
go
towards
completing
the
current
projects
that
are
that
are
underway,
and
that's
why
we're
going
to
need
to
review
refresh
our
long-range
financial
plan
as
well
as
a
10-year
plan
targets
to
see
you
know
moving
forward
as
we
pivot
to
a
post-pandemic
world.
What
can
we
realistically
achieve?
AS
AV
Look
at
the
glass
half
full
consult
with
our
partners,
bring
ideas
to
the
table
that
that's
what
it's
all
about
and
that's
what
you
know.
That's
how
we
create
the
10-year
plan
and
that's
how
we
identify
the
actions
that
come
out
of
our
10-year
plan
to
move
forward.
So
we
look
forward
to
working
with
the
alliance
and
and
all
the
other
partners
on
on
those
particular
issues.
And
you
know
they've
they've
done
great
work
and
they
have
a
great
report.
AV
Let's
not
reinvent
the
wheel,
let's
get
to
the
table
and
let's
see
what
how
we
can
build
from
that
and
and
also
what
we're
already
doing
in
terms
of
the
recommendations
in
the
report.
But
how
can
we
go
further
and
I
think,
and
we
certainly
look
forward
to
you-
know
some
of
the
discussions
around
affordability,
for
example.
Z
I
I
first
I
just
wanted
to
say
hello
to
Clara
I'm,
really
excited
to
be
able
to
work
with
you,
I,
don't
think.
We've
sat
across
from
the
table
since
you've
been
in
this
new
role,
so
I'm
excited
by
I
know
you
bring
a
lot
of
critical
thinking
to
your
roles
and
and
look
at
the
status
quo.
So
I'm
excited
to
see
what
you
can
do
in
this
new
position
and
I
wanted
to
ask
you
the
same
question
that
I
asked
Katie.
Z
Z
What's
missing,
what
resources
do
you
currently
have?
Is
there
a
a
point
person
like?
Is
there
Clarity
in
roles
and
responsibilities
across
the
various
implicated
departments?
I
I
get
personally
confused
a
little
bit,
sometimes
where
one
thing
begins
and
one
thing
ends.
So
if
you
could
comment
on
that
and
perhaps
Mr
wise
as
well.
AT
Thank
you
and
through
the
chair,
our
team,
our
team
works
very
I.
Think
the
first
answer
to
that
question
is
that
we
have
tremendous
collaboration,
as
you
heard,
from
Paul
with
the
sector
already,
so
that
increases
our
capacity
to
think
differently
to
think
critically,
as
you
said,
and
to
augment
our
ability
to
do
the
work,
we
also
have
fantastic
Partnerships
with
our
colleagues
internally,
such
as
the
Planning
Group,
to
advance
the
affordable
housing
agenda
and
David
gets
sick
of
me
always
saying,
don't
forget,
affordable
housing
increase
the
targets.
AT
We
we
will
talk
with
the
sector.
We
will
really
identify
what
is
the
scale
and
scope
that
needs
to
change?
We
have
approved
lrfp
right
now.
We
want
to
come
back
to
you
with
a
new
revised
lrfp
that
to
Paul's
points
speak
to
what
has
changed
in
the
economy.
That
makes
some
things
more
difficult.
We
also
have
other
legal
levers,
as
you
heard.
AT
We
have
what
we
need
and
we
would
definitely
come
back
with
as
part
of
our
plan,
how
we
new
targets,
how
we
plan
on
achieving
those
targets
within
existing
resources
and
the
lrfp
really
is
about
putting
before
you
what
we
feel
is
needed
for
the
capital
Investments
to
be
able
to
grow,
non-eat,
non-profit,
affordable
housing,
our
affordable
housing
mandate,
framework
and
program
is
all
about
non-profit
development.
So
that
is
what
we
do
it's
the
scale.
Z
Z
If
there
are
roadblocks
within
your
way
that
create
affordability,
problems-
or
you
know,
there's
some
kind
of
assumption
of
of
how
this
committee
would
respond.
We
want
to
be
able
to
remove
those
obstacles
for
you
before
we
get
too
far
down
the
the
year.
Long
review
right.
The
year
in
review
so
call
upon
us
to
to
bring
that
forward
so
I
I'm,
very
encouraged
by
that
response
and
I'll
look
forward
to
hearing
more.
Thank
you.
L
L
M
Yeah
chair
just
with
respect
to
that
I
think,
and
that
is
a
very
important
thing
in
terms
of
just
sort
of
minimizing
a
lot
of
those
obstacles.
We
always
have
to
frame
this
and
understand
that
we
also
have
the
we
have
a
brand
new
planning
framework
that
is
going
to
be
coming
down
the
pipeline
to
you
all
very
soon,
through
the
bill.
109,
streamlining
processes
that
are
coming
forward
crowd,
zoning
byland
site
plan
control
amendments,
that's
60
days,
start
to
finish
calendar
days,
get
her
done.
M
Essentially
the
other
thing
and
Derek's
not
here
so
I,
don't
want
to
speak
too
much
because
I'm
afraid
of
him,
but
no
I'm
not
come
on
now,
but
I
do
know
that
his
team
does
provide
development
facilitation
for
non-profit
groups
for
affordable
housing
providers
and
whatnot
is
to
get
through
that
process.
So
they're
going
to
have
to
still
go
through
a
pre-consultation
process
and
work
their
way
through,
and
you
know
in
terms
of
the,
how
can
we
further
streamline
things
beyond
what
the
province
is
already?
M
They
don't
need
to
go
through
a
zoning
and
policy.
That's
some
of
the
load
hanging
fruit
that
we
do
want
to
look
at.
We
do
want
to
see
if
we
can
tuck
that
inside
the
housing
accelerator
fund
as
not
necessarily
providing
immediacy
in
permits,
but
providing
and
setting
up
for
that
next
stage,
hoping
of
course
that
the
housing
accelerator
fund
will
continue
beyond
just
this
short
window.
L
I
hope
we
can
have
those
conversations
with
them
to
to
show
that
if
this
is
a
benefit
to
them,
so
that
nothing
gets
lost
in
in
the
waiting
periods.
I
appreciate
that,
particularly
for
Ottawa
Community
Housing,
that
already
has
its
property,
so
we're
we're
sitting
on
our
property,
so
it
it
should
be.
You
know
we're
not
out
searching
for
pieces
of
land.
We've
already
got
them
so,
hopefully
that
that
could
be
done.
L
L
M
I
think
that's
something
that
our
Creole
group
is
constantly
looking
for
and
how
to
leverage
them
together.
I
appreciate
that
they've
had
some.
You
know
strong
successes
recently
with
respect
to
Gladstone
Village,
for
example,
and
sort
of
assembling
pieces
together
and
working
with
OCH
in
order
to
to
make
a
much
larger
thing
out
of
smaller
pieces.
So
that
is
something
that
that
we're
always
leveraging
I,
don't
know
Peter.
If
you
wanted
to
provide
any
other
comment.
L
I
love
working
with
your
office
because,
with
stage
two
LRT
we've
had
to
do
real
estate
deals
and
it's
kind
of
exciting
because
we're
moving
forward
on
many
things
and
I.
When
I
look
at
that
Geo
Ottawa
map
and
see
where
the
purple
is
we've,
we've
got
things
like.
You
know
we're
releasing
out
to
the
to
the
Ottawa
Police
Services,
a
building,
that's
right,
beside
a
transit
station.
So
so
these
are
possibilities.
L
I'm
gonna
meet
with
the
chief
of
police
and
see,
if
he's
interested
in
moving
somewhere
else,
that
won't
be
a
one-story
surface
parking
place.
That
stores
things
stores
records
rather
than
let
that
be
affordable,
housing,
so
I
think
there's
lots
of
opportunities,
they're
not
even
identified
in
these
20
Parcels,
but
lots
of
potential.
It
we've
got
seven
stations
just
in
bayward
alone,
so
I
know
that
we've
got
plenty
of
potential
of
Transit
oriented
development,
so
hopefully
that
can
be
possible.
I,
don't
know
if
you
want
to
make
any
comments
on
that.
AU
AU
You
know-
and
maybe
through
the
sales
process,
we
can
help
fund
the
new
location
for
for
the
works
yard,
and
then
we
also
work
with
Asset
Management
to
make
sure
that
we
aren't
necessarily
funding
big
improvements
on
some
of
these
sites,
either
that
we
know
they're
coming
to
end
of
life,
and
so
I
mean
there
are
rec
centers
Arenas
that
we
all
need
to
start
considering
for
future.
Affordable
housing
development,
maybe
in
connection
with
City
facilities.
Also.
L
AH
L
I
Everybody
and
thank
you
so
much
especially
to
stop
for
sticking
with
us
I
know
I'm
going
loopy
in
hour.
Five
of
this
meeting,
but
I
do
think.
It's
really
really
important.
I
have
two
questions.
One
of
them
is
so
I
was
really
surprised
to
learn
that
the
nonprofit
housing
providers
that
are
not
OCH,
they
still
pay
property
taxes
as
property
tax.
Forgive
me
forgiveness
for
smaller
non-profit
developers
been
considered
as
an
incentive.
AV
I
Because
I
know
the
beaver
Barracks
development,
for
example
near
the
YMCA
building
in
Centertown,
that's
very
valuable
land.
They
pay
very
high
property
taxes,
but
the
folks
who
live
there
are
not
paying
Market
rent,
so
they
don't
break
even
on
that
building
every
year,
but
it's
very,
very
important,
affordable
housing,
so
I
would
just
like
to
put
a
pin
in
that
for
when
we
start
thinking
about
a
scale-up
plan.
I
M
I
Yeah
I'd
love
it.
If
I
don't
know,
if
I
have
to
do
directions
to
stop
it,
if
you
could
come
back
with
just
a
dollar
figure
of
what
that
what
that
might
cost
us
on
a
yearly
basis,
because
I'm
very
curious,
because
there
I
think
that's
something
easy
that
we
could
do
quite
easily
and
here's
my
next
question.
AT
Through
your
chair,
you're
right
we'd
have
to
come
back
to
you
with
a
dollar
figure.
I,
don't
expect
you
to
pull
it.
However,
you
have
already
a
goal
of
ending
chronic
homelessness
as
part
of
our
10-year
housing
homelessness
plan,
and
we
again
are
very
serious
about
achieving
that
goal
and
Levering
all
of
the
resources
we
have,
including
the
Investments.
The
council
has
made
capital
and
operating,
but
I
can
ask
Paul
in
terms
of
the
numbers
of
chronically
homeless.
Right
now
he's
the
expert
on
that.
AV
So
for
the
population
singles
that
are
chronically
homeless,
their
their
current
count
is
above
497.,
if
I'm
not
mistaken,
from
today's
data
that
I
received,
we
also
need
to
keep
in
mind
that
not
not
there's
going
to
be
different
strategies
that
are
being
successful
for
different
people.
Let's
say
the
500
that
we're
that
we're
talking
about,
so
you
can
expect
that
many
of
them
will
require
permanent,
Supportive,
Housing
and
those
take
time
and
to
build
through
Capital
funding
and
then
and
then
operating
funding.
AV
So
so
those
take
time
and
then
we
can
have
in
in
the
shorter
time
the
shorter
time
frame,
and
there
are
people
that
can
live
independently
with
supports
and
and
housing
benefits.
So
so
those
folks
can
can
have
those
resources.
You
know
pretty
pretty
soon
and
yeah.
Those
are
essentially
the
two
groups
from
from
The
Chronic,
quickly,
homeless
and
chronically
homeless
is
six
six
months
or
more
and
in
a
shelter
or
540
47
days
over
three
years.
So
so
we
much
as
possible.
AV
How
do
we
curve
that
and
and
what
are
some
some
of
the
strategies
that
we
want
to
put
in
place
to
you
know,
prevent
homelessness
if
people
become
homeless,
rapid
rehousing
and
get
them
out
of
the
system
as
soon
as
possible,
because
the
longer
they
stay,
the
more
costly
it's
going
to
be
for
everyone.
More
importantly,
for
the
individuals
experiencing
homelessness.
I
AV
I
A
C
AT
A
I
A
AW
Because
I
we
hear
about
the
money
all
the
time,
but
there's
so
many
gates
to
get
through
where
4
the
minister
in
the
area
is
actually
engaged
on
this
one
now
so
fingers
crossed
we
get
the
money
sooner
than
later.
But
do
you
see
that
as
one
of
the
bigger
issues
too
is
unlocking
access
to
federal
funds?
AW
C
AT
They
are
actively
working
with
the
Ontario
Aboriginal
Housing,
Development
Corporation
and
with
our
integrated
team
here
we
hope
to
support
them
to
acquire
Municipal
land
in
the
future
to
be
able
to
create
projects
that
are
very
important
to
their
Community
culturally,
and
so
that
is
part
of
what
the
the
development
in
your
award.
Counselor
speaks
volumes
to
the
community
in
terms
of
building
trust
and
walking
the
talk
in
in
terms
of
reconciliation,
so
I
just
wanted
to
commend
Council
for
your
support
with
that.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much
counselor
tuning.
If
there
are
no
other
questions,
I
guess
I
have
one
or
two
myself.
One
of
them
is
I'm
wondering
what
staff
need
from
Council
with
respect
to
sorting
out
who
would
be
the
want
to
call
it
beneficiaries
of
unlocked
city
land.
So
one
of
the
discussions
I
don't
think
we've
had
in
a
very
productive
way
at
the
city
yet
is
around.
A
A
The
mayor
is
looking
at
how
oldc
is
going
to
play
a
role
in
in
disposing
of
those,
and
then
we
have
this
body,
this
Incorporated
organization,
the
Ottawa
Community
Land,
Trust,
that
I'm
running
against
some
walls
right
now
doesn't
have
any
formal
relationship
with
the
city
of
Ottawa
I.
Think
we
need
to
understand.
A
As
a
council
who
is
going
to
play
What
role,
there
should
be
a
little
piece
of
it
for
everybody,
but
how
big
a
piece
each
one
of
those
players
gets
is
going
to
be
up
in
the
air
until
Council
I
think
makes
some
decisions.
What
do
you
need
from
Council
in
order
to
help
you
understand
what
council
would
like
to
see
in
terms
of
who
benefits
from
City
programming,
City
and
especially
City
lands.
AT
Well,
thank
you,
chair
and
in
terms
of
city
land
specifically
and
the
circulation
that
occurs.
The
disposables
through
the
city
lands
I'll
defer
to
Peter
or
David
in
a
second
in
terms
of
our
action
Ottawa
program.
It's
part
of
our
long-range
plan,
our
affordable
housing
framework.
It
has
been
Council
approved
and
we
follow
a
an
RFP
process.
AU
To
go,
yeah
yeah
I'll
go
first
and
then
just
like
our
process,
then
I
turn
it
over
to
Paul.
So
when,
when
we
are
going
to
try
and
surplus
some
land,
we
will
circulate
it
to
a
broad
range
of
individuals
throughout
the
corporation
to
make
sure
there
isn't
a
city
need
for
that
land.
First,
once
we've
done
that
that
includes
housing,
and
so
if
housing
puts
up
their
hand
and
says
you
know
that
this
would
be
a
good
piece
for
one
of
our
affordable
housing
providers.
AU
M
I
think
one
of
the
one
of
the
big
opportunities
that
that
there
is
there
is
that
in
this
term
of
council
and
included
within
the
pledge
and
some
of
the
work,
that's
that's
as
part
of
this
whole
thing
is
the
is
looking
at
ocldc
itself
as
a
delivery
mechanism,
and
that's
part
of
the
the
instructions
for
this
council
is
to
look
at
how
to
leverage
oclc
and
reframe
its
Mission
to
look
at
how
we
can
leverage
that
Corporation
to
provide
more
housing.
So
that's
something.
M
That's
still
a
work
in
progress
with
respect
to
developing
how
that's
going
to
work
and
how
that's
going
to
how
it's
going
to
leverage
but
I
know
that
that
our
colleagues
over
in
Creole
are
are
working
on
that
and
developing
those
frames
of
references.
But
I
think
that
that's
going
to
be
something
that's
going
to
be
a
really
interesting
development
tool
that
the
city
is
going
to
have
access
to
yeah.
A
AV
So
maybe
I
I
can
contribute
to
that
counselor.
So
when,
when
the
lands
are
identified
for
affordable
housing,
so
Housing
Services,
you
know
continue
to
work
with
our
approach
of
using
action,
Ottawa
framework
that
we
work
with
and
to
issue
our
rfps
or
transfer
the
land
with
Council
approval
to
housing
providers.
So
our
proponents
are
not-for-profit
housing
providers.
We
don't
deal
with
with
the
private
sector
and
there's
been
a
few
example
of
that.
A
Yep,
fair
enough
I,
I
I
still
think
I
want
to
understand
better
what
the
role
of
oldc
is
going
to
be
other
than
you
know.
If
it's
going
to
have
a
role
in
affordable
housing,
how
it
doesn't
become
a
middle
organization
in
getting
lands
into
the
hands
of
our
not-for-profit
partners,
including
Och
and
and
others,
if
Our
intention
is
to
put
City
lands
to
the
service
of
affordable
housing
I'm,
just
not
sure
that
it
makes
sense
to
go
into
the
hands
of
oil.
A
AU
And
from
my
perspective,
if
we
are
transferring
lands
to
affordable
housing
provider,
the
Land
Development
Corporation
doesn't
really
play
a
role
because
we'd
be
transferring
it
for
nominal
value
and
it
would
go
through
Housing
Services.
We
already
have
a
system,
a
mechanism
in
place,
for
that
I
would
say
that
the
Land
Development
Corporation
as
we
look
to
Rebrand
it.
We
would
be
trying
to
promote
affordable
housing
within
the
framework
of
a
private
development,
potentially
so,
whereas
in
the
past,
maybe
the
focus
for
the
land.
AU
Corp
has
always
been
to
generate
revenue
for
city
which
we're
still
tasked
to
do.
As
per
the
budget.
We
have
line
items
in
the
budget.
We
have
to
generate
certain
amounts
of
money
to
cover
capital
projects,
but
we
may
start
to
when
we
evaluate
bids
the
the
evaluation
might
be
heavily
rated
on
providing
a
section
for
affordable
housing
and
they
might
not
be
the
top
price
but
they're
they're
meeting
the
other
goals
that
we're
we're.
Looking
to
Rebrand
the
corporation
into
and.
A
A
AT
And,
and
at
this
stage
our
team
and
I
think,
together
with
our
real
estate,
colleagues,
are
looking
at
at
the
land
trust
concept,
their
framework,
how
it
relates
to
our
Development,
Corporation
and
and
we're
still
having
we
haven't
completed
that
assessment.
Yet
to
be
honest,
but
we're
we're
in
the
process
of
doing
that.
A
Has
Council
put
a
deadline
on
to
figure
that
out
I?
Don't
think
so?
Eh
yeah,
okay
I'm
not
going
to
do
that
today,
but
something
I
want
to
talk
more
with
my
my
colleagues
about,
because
you
heard
in
the
course
of
presenting
the
scale
up
report,
the
strong
interest
of
the
Ottawa
Community
Land
Trust
has
in
participating
in
the
disposition
of
City
lands
toward
the
purpose
of
affordable
housing.
A
A
A
M
A
About
our
larger,
comprehensive
zoning
bylaw
review,
you
know,
we've
heard
it
several
times
today.
The
zoning
of
parcels
is
a
hurdle
to
building
housing.
That
Council
has
accepted
that
we've
we've
asked
you
and-
and
you
are
working
diligently
on
bringing
hours
zoning
bylaw
into
Conformity
with
the
principles
of
the
new
official
plan.
A
Is
there
an
opportunity
to
accelerate
the
rate
at
which
that
work
is
being
done?
I
know
one
of
the
things
that,
when
I'm
under
pressure
to
do
that
faster
I,
make
note
you
know
we're
we're
a
level
of
government.
We
have
to
consult
with
people,
and
that
takes
the
time
it
takes,
but
are
there
other
opportunities
to
to
accelerate
the
rate
at
which
we
can
get
a
new,
comprehensive
zoning
bylaw
in
place
before
I'm?
Sorry,
late,
2025.,.
M
It
is
what
are
you
gonna
do
so
so
that
is
the
courage
on
all
sides.
That's
needed,
and-
and
that
is
the
challenge
we
need
to
come
forward
with-
that
zoning
exercise
to
provide
our
best
professional
recommendation
and
you're
going
to
hear
it
from
your
residents
and
that'll,
be
you
know,
that'll,
be
part
of
the
challenge
that
we'll
all
have
to
go
through
where
the
rubber
will
really
hit
the
road
with
respect
to
to
it.
M
So
that's
something
that
we
all
have
to
remember.
When
we
bring
these
things
forward,
we
do
have
to
recognize
that
there
is
going
to
need
to
be
the
big
gut
check
as
we
work
our
way
through
when
we
have
to
make
sure
that
we
understand
that
what
we're
doing
is
for
a
reason
and
is
for
a
purpose,
and
it
is
going
to
require
some
significant,
stealing
herbs
on
all
sides.
A
I
appreciate
the
exhortation:
those
are
the
questions.
I
have
counselor
dudas,
have
you
been
able
to
get
back
online
councilor
dudas,
unfortunately
lost
connectivity.
I
know
their
hand
was
up.
She
does
share
the
community
services
committee,
but
I
don't
see
her
online.
Unfortunately,
so
I
think
we've.
I
A
So
we'll
count
that
as
an
inquiry
afterwards,
so
thank
you,
but
unfortunately,
I
think
we
are
running
out
of
time
for
councilor
dudas.
So
if
you
are
listening,
Laura,
please
feel
free
to
touch
base
directly
with
staff.
I
do
want
to
say
thank
you
very
much
staff
for
the
work
that
you've
done,
particularly
with
my
staffer
Stephanie
and
getting
this
report
to
the
floor
of
this
meeting.
A
It
was
a
very
engaging
discussion
and
thank
you
very
much
for
all
the
work
that
you
do
on
behalf
of
the
residents
of
Ottawa
every
day,
so
we
have
two
motions
and
main
main
recommendation.
So
there
is
the
motion
with
respect
to
including
the
Aboriginal
land
acknowledgment.
Is
that
motion
carried
yeah?
There
was
a
motion.
Sorry,
the
councilor
Curry
motion
with
respect
to
directing
staff
to
take
these
recommendations
from
the
Sushi
report
into
consideration.
A
A
All
right,
thank
you
very
much,
colleagues
for
your
patients
today
in
in
doing
this
is
a
good
discussion.
We
don't
have
any
in-camera
items
information
previously
distributed.
We
don't
have
any
notice,
there's
a
motion
for
consideration.
A
subsequent
meeting
that
none
were
brought
to
my
attention.
I
see
none
in
queries.
Council
troster
has
made
an
inquiry
which
will
be
reflected
in
the
minutes.
There
was
no
other
business.