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B
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D
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C
What
it
says
is
there
with
me:
no
person
will
use
any
land
erect
place,
alter,
expand
or
use
a
building
within
the
territorial
limits
of
the
city
of
Ottawa,
except
in
full
conformity.
With
all
provisions
of
this
bylaw,
then
197
198,
as
with
all
of
the
other
zoning
provisions,
will
list
what
is
permitted.
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D
Okay,
thank
you.
My
second
area
of
question
is
I'm,
looking
at
the
staff
report
and
trying
to
understand
what
the
rationale
would
be
for
why
staff
would
recommend
that
a
prohibited
use
be
permitted
in
this
case
and
to
that
effect
and
I'm.
Looking
at
the
staff
report
on
page
three
and
the
executive
summary
is
a
is
a
nice
opportunity
to
get
a
distillation
of
what
those
arguments
are.
I
will
read,
you
I
think
the
most
germane
sentence.
D
The
department
is
recommending
approval
of
the
subject
application
because
the
pros
a
development
is-
and
here
there
are
three
elements.
One.
A
relocation
of
an
existing
shelter
to
the
built
form
has
been
designed
in
a
manner
to
admit
to
mitigate
land-use
and
physical
compatibility
impacts
and
three.
The
subject.
Development
does
not
preclude
the
ability
for
Montreal
Road
to
develop
in
a
manner
that
meets
the
intention
of
the
traditional
Main,
Street,
designation
and
I.
D
Guess
when
I
read
that
the
concern
I
have
and
I
raised
this
with
staff
yesterday
afternoon
is,
it
seems
to
be
that
none
of
those
reasons
I
mean
firstly,
the
first
of
those
three
reasons:
I,
don't
think,
is
relevant
at
all,
because
the
current
shelter
is
not
on
a
traditional
Main
Street.
Nor
is
there
any
indication
and
the
staff
recommendation
that
this
is
a
relocation
of
one.
It's
providing
a
site-specific
exemption
for
the
property
in
question.
So,
let's,
let's
take
one
out
of
there
and
and
talk
about
two
and
three.
D
My
concern
with
those
is:
none
of
them
seem
specifically
relevant
to
the
property
in
question.
You
could
apply
either
argument,
presumably
to
this
application
were
it
to
be
proposed
for
any
traditional
Main
Street,
and
so
my
question
to
you
is,
you
know:
do
you
agree
with
that?
Do
you
think
staff
have
made
a
compelling
case?
Why
and
again
I
want
to
acknowledge
that
an
applicant
has
every
right
to
apply
for
an
amendment
to
the
Official
Plan.
C
So
let
me
address
them.
The
first
and
I
know
counselor
that
you
skipped
over
that
one,
but
I
want
to
come
back
to
it.
That
is
what
I
spoke
to
yesterday.
It
is
this
strange
application
of
the
concepts
of
legal
non-conforming
use
which
only
apply
to
specific
properties.
You
know
if
I
had
a
shelter
there
and
it
it
was
in
contravention
of
the
bylaw,
but
it
was
legal
when
I
put
it
there.
If
it
burns
down,
I
can
replace
it.
C
That's
legal
non-conforming
use,
but
there
is
nothing
in
the
law
that
allows
the
concept
of
I
had
it
over
there,
and
it
was
legal,
so
I
can
put
it
over
here
and
it's
legal,
that's
simply
not
there
in
the
law.
Moreover,
it
is
a
mischaracterization
of
the
2008
study
that
is
referred
to
it
in
the
in
the
two
sentences
prior
that
2008
study
called
for
a
reduction
of
the
numbers
of
shelters
and
the
Byward
market
was
not
the
focus.
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C
There
is
the
compatibility
sections
of
the
Official
Plan,
it's
at
section,
four
411,
but
it
goes
beyond
built
form
and
the
subject.
Development
does
not
preclude
the
ability
for
Montreal
Road
to
develop
in
a
manner
that
meets
the
intention
of
the
traditional
Main
Street
designation.
So
let
me
take
the
committee
back
in
time
a
little
bit
in
2003.
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C
The
evidence
that
was
put
forward
yesterday
and
I'm
sure
more
will
be
is
that
this
facility
will
likely
degrade
the
ability
of
Montreal
Road
to
develop
in
the
manner
contemplated
in
the
Official
Plan
in
terms
of
residential,
intensification
and
commercial
intensification,
and
there's
already
been
submissions
made
to
this
committee
to
that
effect.
So,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
my
view
is
no.
There
was
an
economic
study
put
forward
by
the
proponent
that,
quite
frankly,
I'm
hoping
I
get
the
opportunity
to
cross-examine
the
author
on,
because
it'll
be
fine,
okay.
D
C
Believe
it
belongs
under
traditional
Main
Street.
So
when
I
started
yesterday,
what
I
said
and
I
will
reiterate?
I
have
no
difficulty
with
the
proposal.
I'm,
not
an
expert,
at
least
not
at
the
moment.
I
may
have
to
become
one
for
a
hearing,
but
I'm
not
an
expert
on
what
the
best
way
to
deliver
these
services
are
so
for
the
moment
and
I
want
to
say
for
the
moment,
I'm
prepared
to
go
with
what
dr.
Turnbull
said.
C
B
Not
on
that
piece
down,
thank
you
Michael
for
being
here
and
taking
time
of
your
day
and
taking
a
strong
stance
on
this
want
to
hear
from
you.
Yesterday,
I
did
ask
a
question
that
was
answered
by
John
Smith
about
our
official
plan.
I
asked
him
the
clear
question
which
followed
counsel,
Ernest
bombs.
C
So
what
I
will
say
to
you
is
my
recollection
is
that
shelter
is
not
addressed
in
the
official
plan.
I
could
be
wrong
on
that,
but
it's
clearly
a
use
that
is
required
in
this
city
and
in
any
city,
and
so
the
notion
of
whether
a
shelter
is
permitted
within
the
Official
Plan
is
not
the
issue
here.
The
issue
is:
is
this
the
right
location
and
clearly,
when
you
read
the
policies
concerning
traditional
Main
streets
and,
interestingly
enough,
there
aren't
a
lot
of
policies
on
on
on
residential
uses.
C
B
C
Going
to
agree
with
my
friend
mr.
O'connor
in
his
memo
that
says,
the
actions
of
the
past
council
do
not
bind
the
actions
of
a
future
council.
I
agree
with
that,
and
so
is
this
committee
bound
by
the
results
of
that
study.
Absolutely
not
and
I
agree
with
councillor
Nussbaum.
Anybody
has
the
right
to
bring
an
OPA
application
and
a
zoning
bylaw
amendment
application
on
anything.
C
I
could
suggest
that
we
put
a
40-story
office
building
in
the
middle
of
the
Glebe
I
suspect
that
there
might
be
a
little
opposition
to
that
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
what
I
would
say
is
that
this
committee
must
consider
the
evidence
before
it,
including
its
own
actions.
The
2008
study
was
one
of
those
actions
and,
as
a
consequence,.
C
In
considering
that,
that's
why
I
said
in
answer
to
a
question
posed
by
Councillor
leaper
that
surely
what
this
committee
should
be
doing
is
considering
the
same
issues
in
the
2008
study
and
either
taking
them
at
face
value
or
requiring
that
another
study
be
done
by
the
proponent
or
otherwise.
But
you
can't
simply
ignore
it.
At
least
you
do
at
your
own
peril,
because
if
this
is
adopted
by
this
committee
and
council,
then
a
lawyer
challenging
this
would
not
be
doing
his
or
her
job
if
they
didn't
subpoena.
The
authors
of
the
2008
study.
B
So
let's
continue
on
the
2008
study
discussion,
so
there
is
a
shelter
calf.
There's
a
separation
distances,
that's
highlighted
as
part
of
that
study.
How
do
how
should
we
address
the
fact
that
there
is
the
cap
has
been
exceeded
in
word,
12
I
highlight
that
I
highlighted
the
two
hotels
which
the
hotel
motels,
which
you
referred
to
earlier,
there's
also
shelters
for
women's
fleeing
situation
of
violence,
there's
some
from
those
ending
their
Corrections
parole,
I,
guess
in
some
ways
how
do
we?
B
C
If
you're
moving
out
of
the
Byward
market,
then
the
city
will
work
with
you
to
help.
You
find
an
appropriate
location
which
I
understand
took
place
before
this
site
was
selected.
But
the
the
upshot
of
the
2008
study
was
a
conclusion,
not
that
the
number
of
shelters
should
be
held
where
it
is,
but
in
war
12,
but
that
they
should
be
reduced.
B
A
C
Anywhere
no
I
was
speaking,
sir
of
the
Maison
Sophia,
which
is
referred
to
in
the
staff
report,
just
one
at
that
and
is
classified
as
a
residential
care
facility,
but
it
what
what
it
says.
What
the
Maison
Sofia
says
on
its
website
is
that
its
temporary
accommodation
of
three
to
four
weeks
for
certain
kinds
of
qualified
refugees
that
need
emergency
assistance.
No.
B
Thanks
for
that
clarification,
because
yeah
I
I
thought
you
were
referring
to
the
conifer
motel,
no
sir,
which
which
doesn't
advertise
itself
that
way
and
so
for
further
clarity.
I
thought
this
is
where
you
were
going,
but
I
was
going
to
ask
you
but
I
think
you
answered
the
question.
So
your
opinion
is
that
this
facility
cannot
go
anywhere
in
were
12.
B
C
Me
let
let
me
let
me
amend
my
answer.
Yes
was
a
little
flip.
What
I
would
say
is
that
the
2008
study
approved
by
council
spoke
to
a
reduction
in
the
number
of
shelters
in
Ward
12,
without
further
study
as
to
why
putting
a
shelter
somewhere
in
Ward
12
is
a
good
idea.
Then
I
would
say
that
you're
stuck
with
the
results
of
the
2008
study.
If
further
study
is
done
around
the
results
of
the
2008
study.
C
B
B
C
B
E
B
C
B
That
and
we've
also
heard
yesterday
from
people
who
you
acknowledged
as
experts
like
dr.
Turnbull.
Yes,
that,
yes
and
and
he
didn't
dispute
that
he
was
an
expert
in
the
production
of
these
services-
that
this
was
actually
a
good
idea.
This
was
a
good
model.
You
heard
that
from
the
shepherds.
You
heard
that
from
dr.
Turnbull,
you
heard
that
from
Wendy
McClure
and
again,
you've
reiterated
this
morning.
B
C
C
B
C
B
B
C
It's
not
a
binary
choice.
This
committee
can
endorse
the
concept
and
say
this
is
the
wrong
place.
I
think
it's
important
to
to
underscore
that
if
dr.
Turnbull
had
given
evidence
that
this
is
the
right
place,
that
would
be
outside
of
his
expertise
and
and
at
the
end
of
the
day,
nobody
myself
included
is
sitting
here
saying
that
this
is
a
bad
idea
in
terms
of
the
facility
that
is
proposed.
C
I'm
simply
saying
this
is
the
wrong
place
for
it,
and
none
of
the
I'm
gonna
call
them
industry
experts,
not
a
fair
characterization,
but
I
want
to
capture
everybody
from
dr.
Turnbull
to
the
the
the
shepherds
of
Good,
Hope
and
everyone
else
who
spoken
to
the
value
of
doing
this
are
qualified
to
speak
to
the
issues
of
the
social
impact
of
putting
this
in
this
location.
So
you
don't
have
a
binary
choice.
I've
seen
we're
not
doing
it
or
we
are
doing
it.
C
B
C
B
C
C
That
I
think
you
could
hear
from
sociologists
on
both
sides
that
can
speak
to
whether
putting
this
kind
of
facility
in
that
location
is
a
good
idea.
I
think
you
could
ask
your
own
planning
staff
why
they
don't
allow
more
than
one
group
home
housing,
10
people,
every
half
a
kilometer
I
think
those
are
all
people
that
you
could
hear
from
so.
B
C
What
I'm
hearing
no
I'm
saying
that
that,
if
you,
if
you,
if
you
would
have
asked
the
president
of
the
Shepherds
yesterday,
the
question:
are
there
people
in
the
nearby
area
that
are
preying
on
on
the
users
of
your
facility?
She
would
have
said
absolutely.
There
is
and
suggesting
that
the
physical
structure
of
this
building
is
going
to
prevent.
That
is
simply
not
the
case,
because
people
are
going
to
be
arriving
there
and
as
they
arrive,
they
can
fall
prey
to
those
who
are
going
to
take
advantage
of
their
disadvantage
and
I.
C
B
Okay,
last
last
question
after
you
left
yesterday,
I
posed
a
question
to
our
legal
staff
about
an
issue
that
you
had
raised
being
that
this,
in
fact
was
not
people's
owning
our
legal
staff
and
I
want
to
put
words
than
in
their
mouths,
but
essentially
said
no.
This
some
of
the
arguments
we
have
heard
today
are,
in
fact
people
zoning
and
we're
not
allowed
to
do
that
and
to
be
fair.
B
You
weren't
in
the
room
when
I
when
I
posed
the
question,
so
I
wanted
to
give
you
an
opportunity
to
speak
to
that
issue
again,
because
what
we
heard
was
the
impact
of
the
individuals,
the
services
they
would
be
accessing
the
type
of
people
that
they
were
to
me.
That
falls
into
people.
Zoning
and
I.
Again,
I
asked
the
question
without
you,
in
the
room,
so
to
be
fair.
A
A
You
won't
be
turning
it
over
to
him.
That's
your
question.
You
just
briefly
answer
the
question
and
then
we're
going
to
go
and
I'm
going
to
remind
people
we're
getting
necessarily
with
this
conversation,
but
I
want
to
ask
you
not
to
repeat
questions
okay,
so
think
back
and
what
you've
heard,
because
we
are
now
at
10:25
and
still
a
couple
of
speakers.
Thank
you.
A
C
C
Under
the
provisions
of
the
Planning
Act.
Now
counselor,
you
went
to
the
same
kind
of
school.
I
did,
and
you
know
that
the
finding
in
a
case
has
to
be
held
within
its
terms,
and
in
that
case
it
was
a
question
of
whether
family
could
be
narrowly
defined
so
as
to
rule
out
unrelated
people
sharing
accommodation.
That
was
our
V
Bell,
okay,
but
cases
that
came
later.
Okay
and
that's
important.
The
the
the
Ontario
Municipal
Board
in
a
case
called
the
University
of
Western,
Ontario
and
London
indicated
in
a
dispute
over
student
housing.
C
When
the,
when
the
board
upheld
the
bylaw,
it
said
the
Board
finds
that
the
clauses
in
these
bylaws
are
good
planning.
In
these
circumstances,
the
board,
the
problems
that
the
students
are
presently
encountering
in
regard
to
housing
accommodation
are
serious
and
deserve
quick
attention
from
the
City
Council
of
London
and
the
governments
of
Ontario
and
Canada.
They
will
not
be
resolved
by
removing
from
the
bylaws
the
definition
which
afford
some
measure
of
protection
to
property,
owner
and
residents
and
to
the
neighborhoods
in
which
the
houses
are
situate.
C
In
other
words,
what
the
board
said
was
you
can
look
at
adverse
impact
and
in
another
case,
before
the
Ontario
Municipal
Board
called
melon
core
in
Waterloo,
the
board
specifically
said
again
dealing
with
student
housing.
The
board
can
find
no
basis
upon
which
to
conclude
that
this
proposal
would
create
an
unacceptable
adverse
impact
on
the
neighbors
or
the
neighbourhood.
I
spoke
to
that
earlier.
C
C
So,
with
all
due
respect
to
the
legal
department,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
you
cannot
put
a
giant
fence
around
the
words
people,
zoning
and
saying
it's
all
out.
There
are
elements
of
things
that
speak
to
the
users
and
those
that
prey
on
them
and
the
adverse
impact
that
it
would
cause
a
neighborhood
that
is
fair
game
and
Bell
does
not
deal
with
the
issues
before
us.
Thank.
D
C
C
D
C
C
C
D
C
C
A
business
per
sorry
when
I
say
appropriate.
Let
me
narrowly
define
that
I
didn't
say
it
was
a
bad
idea.
This
council
said
it
was
a
bad
idea.
This
council
said
that
we're
not
going
to
put
any
more
than
a
handful
of
group
homes
in
a
single
neighborhood.
This
council
said
we're
not
putting
shelters
on
traditional
Main
Street.
So
my
answers
to
your
question
need
to
be
interpreted
through
that
lens.
C
I
am
NOT,
a
Planning
expert
I
am
merely
a
lawyer
and
I
am
saying
that,
in
light
of
previous
decisions
by
council
that
it
is,
a
council
concluded
that
it
was
a
bad
idea
to
put
shelters
on
traditional
Main
streets
and
in
residential
areas.
My
understanding
is,
and
I
haven't
researched
this.
That
shelters
are
permitted
in
commercial
zones,
and
so,
if
that's
correct,
then
council
has
already
spoken
on
this.
C
D
C
D
C
You
don't
have
such
a
comprehensive
study
on
this
issue
today
and
that's
what
I'm
saying
when
I
said
to
councilor
egg,
why
it's
not
a
binary
choice.
One
of
the
things
you
could
do
is
say
you
know
what
staff
go
away
and
continue
the
study
that
was
commenced
in
2007
and
and
so
so
I'm
saying
you
don't
have
the
the
evidence
to
suggest
that
that
studies
conclusions
are
incorrect.
C
D
C
C
I
think
the
answer
to
that
is
correct.
Yes,
but
that
still
would
raise
the
issue
of
residential
uses
and
whether
it's
a
good
idea
in
light
of
what
this
council
has
repeatedly
done
on
group
homes,
there's
no
logical
nexus
between
that
decision
and
this
or
between
decisions
on
adult
entertainment,
and
this.
C
D
Thanks
very
much
madam
chair,
mr.
Palmer
I
just
want
to
clarify
your
thinking
on
something
that
you
had
said
earlier,
so
you
and
just
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
I,
don't
think
we're
gonna
get
into
it.
I
think
this
is
gonna,
be
pretty
short.
Your
contention
is
that
anything
that
is
not
expressly
permitted
in
the
bylaw
is
therefore
dis
permitted.
Is
that
correct.
D
D
C
B
C
Here's
what
I
would
say
I
would
say
that
every
time
this
committee
shuts
down
discussion
on
that
you
are
creating
grounds
of
Appeal
and
the
reason
that
I
say
that
is,
there
is
a
requirement
of
fairness
and
natural
justice.
So,
let's
assume
for
the
moment
that
it
is
fair
to
say
that
it
is
uncertain
as
to
whether
or
not
the
advice
of
your
legal
department
on
whether
this
is
people.
Zoning
is
or
is
not
correct.
I
say
it's
not
okay.
B
That
thank
you
because
you
did
answer
the
second
and
third
questions.
What
kind
of
risk
are
we
exposing
ourselves
to,
especially
if
we
want
whatever
decision
we
make
to
be
defensible
if
we
continue
to
operate
within
this
very
small
box
of
considerations
that
stop
at
the
property
line
and
I
agree
with
you
that
we
are
probably
working
counter
to
coming
up
with
a
decision
that
is
defensible
before
the
board
if
we
continue
with
our
current
approach.
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr.
Pollan.
A
Next
up
and
I'm
gonna
call
three
people.
Please
no
clapping.
Remember
the
rules
from
yesterday.
Thank
you,
Alexander
Graham,
H,
your
first
up,
Peter,
couch,
Arriba,
couch,
Erica,
you'll
correct,
will
tell
me
what
how
to
pronounce
it
and
Natalie
Bella,
Vick
and
Natalie
you'll
be
third
up.
So
welcome
again,
no.
G
Signs
on
their
lawn,
we
in
my
case
and
since
the
early
90s
and
others,
are
newer
to
the
neighborhood.
They
were
attracted
and
they're
all
property
owners,
some
property
owners
have
income
properties
and
they're
cognizant
of
the
impact
with
regards
to
security
and
growth
and
safety
of
our
children,
and
we
are
against
the
proposal.
We
would
like
the
committee
to
render
a
decision
that
is
representative
of
the
consensus
set
out
by
most
of
the
intervenors
here.
We
do
believe
that
it
is
conformed
to
the
objectives
and
the
policies
in
the
Official
Plan.
G
We
believe
that
the
proposal
does
not
respect
the
spirit,
and
that
is
what
has
been
discussed
here
other
than
their
technical
legal
arguments
and
the
intentions.
What
is
the
spirit
behind
the
notions
of
a
traditional
Main,
Street
designation,
and
we
are
of
the
opinion
that
this
proposal
does
not
at
all
respect
the
Montreal
Road
a
secondary
plan.
We
believe
that
mr.
Lieber
spoke
about
the
technical
aspects.
G
This
is
we're
operating
in
a
small
box
so
for
technical
issues
here
and-
and
you
have
certain
parameters
in
terms-
and
it
would
be
a
grave
mistake
and
there
would
be
serious
consequences
and
if
you
do
not
consider
the
10-year
logic
lodging
plan
and
the
plan
to
fight
against
homelessness,
these
social
repercussions
that
this
project
could
have
on
our
community.
This
is
an
affront
in
the
opinion
of
the
average
resident
of
the
neighborhood,
it's
an
affront
to
the
very
notion
of
urban
planning
to
evacuate
aspects
that
are
found
in
the
plan.
G
So
we
hope
that
other
than
hearing
the
technical
arguments
that
you
will
also
with
also
the
recommendations
in
despite
the
recommendations
that
are
made
that
you'll
be
able
to
not
limit
yourselves
to.
This
is
very
procedural,
procedurally
limited
aspect
and
that
you
will
be
able
to
represent
the
will
of
the
majority
of
the
residents
that
you'll
be
able
to
look
at
this
with
a
critical
eye
and
that
you'll
be
able
to
use
a
holistic
approach
in
your
decision-making.
G
I
know
that
we've
speaking
of
the
holistic
approach-
and
this
was
represented
in
the
design
of
this-
it's
the
establishment
but,
as
has
been
clearly
stated,
we
cannot
limit
ourselves
to
only
the
property
we're
talking
here
about
the
survival
of
a
community
in
our
opinions.
Vanya
is
small.
It's
a
very
distinct
community
and
now
I'd
like
to
talk
about
the
specific,
citing
in
the
historical,
this
historical
part
of
a
distinct
region.
It's
supposed
to
be
the
French
Quarter,
our
region
and
so
our
area.
So
why
is
this
street?
G
G
G
A
Thank
you
for
coming
out
today,
then
thank
you
for
coming
out
yesterday.
Coming
back
today,
I
see
you
no
question,
so
thank
you
again
and
thanks
for
your
submission,
following
up
to
sit
in
mr.
grammage
seat
is
Claire
carrier
and
now
Peter.
How
do
you
say
your
last
name,
Sherpa
I,
wasn't
even
close.
Thank
you
and
I
probably
couldn't
even
repeat
it,
but
welcome,
and
you
have
five
minutes.
Thank.
H
You
my
damn
chair,
my
name
is
Peter
Cooper
and
I'm.
A
lawyer
and
resident
of
Vanier
I
speak
for
myself
today.
As
a
community
advocate
and
I
have
a
presentation:
that's
been
going
to
be
thrown
onto
the
screen
as
I
speak
I
chair
a
community
committee
which
authored
an
objective
report
concluding
to
our
surprise
that
the
Salvation
Army
breached
all
the
city
rules
when
it
comes
to
shelter
locations
in
Ottawa.
H
With
this
in
mind,
I'm
going
to
speak
to
two
important
issues
today,
traditional
Main
Street
and
the
cap
and
separation
requirements
please
skip
to
in
the
next
slide
and
the
slide
after
that.
So
on
the
issue
of
traditional
Main
streets,
the
question
we
have
in
front
of
us
today:
no
thank
you
remote,
perfect,
traditional
Main
streets.
The
question
we
have
in
front
of
us
is:
we
know
that
a
shelter
is
not
permitted
on
a
traditional
Main
Street.
The
question
is:
should
a
shelter
be
permitted
on
a
traditional
Main
Street?
H
So
there's
a
lot
of
issues
that
you
will
be
presented
here
today.
Those
issues
are
likely
going
to
arrive.
Increased
traffic
and
transportation
issues
substantive
volume
of
poor
people.
That
will
have
a
detrimental
economic
impact
to
a
traditional
Main
Street
zone.
There
were
numerous
safety
security
concerns,
including
intimidation,
blockage
of
commercial
activities,
and
also
that
the
proposal
has
not
been
properly
vetted
or
assessed
by
the
BIA
for
a
commercial
objective
plan
and
of
course,
it
will
result
in
lower
investment
property
values,
an
attractiveness
of
a
traditional
Main
Street.
H
So
many
we
look
at
all
of
this.
We
say
this
doesn't
seem
to
be
a
right
fit
under
the
planning
rules
and
on
top
of
that,
there's
a
2008
City
report
that
provides
that
it
should
not
be
located
based
upon
evidence
presented
ten
years
ago,
and
this
evidence
is
still
valid
today,
as
there
is
no
policy
justification
or
no
evidence
that
has
changed
in
the
last
10
years
as
Privett
as
presented
in
our
previous
speaker.
H
So
as
a
matter
of
due
diligence,
we
really
should
be
looking
at
undertaking
a
legal
assessment
and
a
policy
assessment
just
look
at
the
impacts
of
a
shelter
on
a
traditional
Main
Street
zone.
If
not,
we
set
ourselves
for
popper
appeal.
Second
question
I
want
to
talk
to
you
about
today.
Is
the
separation
and
cap
requirements?
So
we've
had
a
lot
of
debate
yesterday
afternoon
on
what
is
the
shelter?
No
it's.
This
is
difficult
to
eat
on
the
screen,
but
there's
a
few
things.
I
want
to
highlight
and
we'll
be
sharing
this
with
the
counselors.
H
The
city
interpretation
note
of
a
residential
care
facility
includes
things
like
a
nursing
home,
a
complex
for
handicapped
persons
and
Home
for
the
Aged.
When
we
look
at
a
group
home,
we
look
at
the
group.
Home
must
be
the
entire
facility
and
we
look
at
issues
of
cost
who's
paying
for
this
in
a
shelter
it's
likely
free
but
in
other
circumstances
the
residents
expected
to
pay,
and
the
last
issue
is
chattels
now
we'll
get
to
that
in
a
moment.
H
So
when
we
were
talking
to
the
City
of
Ottawa
homelessness
coordinator,
they
spoke
about
the
issue
of
shelter
for
30
days
or
less
meaning
in
a
shelter
people
expected
to
stay
there
for
30
days
or
less
expected
in
a
residential
care
facility.
They're
expected
to
stay
there
longer
and
they're
also
expected
to
have
channels,
which
means
they
can
say.
I
want
to
bring
my
flat-screen
TV
to
my
room.
H
I
would
like
to
see
if
a
resident
of
the
proposed
site
can
bring
a
flat-screen
TV
to
their
room,
I
wonder
what
the
reaction
would
be,
but
by
the
Salvation
Army.
So
we've
done
an
assessment
and
we've
looked
at
how
the
definition
of
shelters
applies
to
different
facilities
across
Ottawa
and
we've.
Seen
in
this
word
that
there
are
actually
12
shelters
in
were
12
that
attained
the
legal
definition,
as
you
can
see,
on
the
map
and
those
circles
around
them
or
the
500-meter
separation
distance
between
those
shelters.
H
So
the
question
is
what
is
the
primary
use
of
funding
and
source
of
a
facility?
This
is
the
debate
where
we
say
if
it
looks
like
a
duck
and
it
quacks
like
a
duck.
It
must
be
a
duck.
Well
if
it
acts
like
a
shelter,
it
functions
like
a
shelter.
It
must
be
a
shelter
one
minute
and
if
we
look
closely
at
this,
there's
actually
three
shelters
located
within
500
meter
distance
of
the
proposed
site
of
333
Montreal
Road.
Now
we
follow
the
legal
definition.
H
We
follow
the
definition
provided
by
law
and
we
look
at
an
applicable
look
at
what
shelters
are,
and
this
is
the
conclusion
we
have
as
such.
It's
recommended
that
the
city
having
this
backup
the
city
look
at
and
do
an
assessment
on
what
facilities
actually
attain
the
definition
of
shelter
within
the
word
12,
so
we
can
make
sure
we
have
a
transparent
and
accountable
assessment
of
the
separation
and
cap
distance
requirements.
Thank
you.
B
You
for
for
being
here
and
thank
you
for
doing
the
the
analysis,
I'd
love,
to
hear
a
little
more
clear.
That's
if
we
were
to
narrow
in
on
one
of
the
shelters
which
I
don't
want
to
put
any
women
in
situation
of
violence.
Any
of
those
shelters
addresses
publicly
I.
Don't
think
that's
useful!
So,
let's
use
one
that's
a
little
more
neutral.
The
Ottawa
in
in
your
mind,
how
does
the
Ottawa
end
function
as
a
shelter
and
I
would
be
best
to
to
recognize
that
use.
H
Thank
You
councillor
ferry,
the
question
is
as
the
Ottawa
in
a
shelter,
and
the
answer
is
yes.
This
is
because
the
Ottawa
in
has
tenants
that
are
being
taken
care
of
under
a
shelter
environment.
It
is
actually
being
paid
for
by
the
city
to
comedy
people
for
temporary
residences
as
an
Objectivist
shelter.
It
is
named
by
the
city
as
a
temporary
shelter.
It
is
called
a
temporary
shelter
because
that's
what
it
does.
It
provides
short-term
accommodation
for
those
in
needs
paid
for
by
the
city.
H
Well,
if
the
city
acknowledges
its
taking
care
of
people
on
this
location,
is
it
not,
then
a
shelter
on
a
traditional
Main
Street
violating
the
cap
requirements
and
the
separation
distance
requirements?
It
also
then
binds
the
city
in
a
position
where
they
can't
build
another
shelter
within
500
metres
of
this
location,
for
the
city
to
give
money
to
this
and
to
have
it
used
mainly
and
functionally
as
a
shelter
as
a
primary
use
and
funding
source
of
the
facility
and
then
turn
around
and
say.
H
And
I'm
glad
you've,
given
me
the
time
to
go
through
this
in
detail,
five
minutes.
Just
isn't
enough,
so
we
looked
at
the
criteria,
the
top
we
looked
at
what
was
provided
in
the
bylaws
okay,
we
looked
at
size,
so
we
have
size
requirements
on
the
Left.
We
have
facility
requirements
and
we
have
attributes
so
attributes,
for
example,
for
shelter
is
emergency,
which
means
it
has
to
be
accessible.
H
If
somebody
comes
to
the
location
and
says,
I
need
to
be
put
into
an
accommodation
because
I
am
homeless
and
the
city
turns
around
or
a
service
provider
says
yes,
we
can
do
this.
The
facility
will
accept
the
people
within
a
very
short
notice,
for
example,
than
24
hours.
This
person
could
be
placed
in
a
facility,
that's
in
emergency
aspect.
These
facilities
are
expected
to
have
the
person
there
within
30
days
or
less.
Now
there
may
be
more.
H
We
know
the
circumstances
that
change,
but
they're
expected
to
be
the
30
days
or
less,
and
this
is
compounded
by
your
experts
in
this
city
who
say:
yes,
shelters
should
be
30
days
or
less,
and
also,
if
we
look
at
this,
the
clients
not
really
expected
to
have
stuff
right.
They're
not
expected
that
Shadle.
It's
not
gonna
move
in
with
their
big-screen
TV
the
couch,
the
stereo
system,
they're
gonna,
walk
in
with
the
things
they
have
in
their
hands
very
likely,
Peter.
D
The
cost
is
free
Peter.
Thank
you.
Sorry,
it
was.
It
was
the
worst
shadows
which
I
hadn't
picked
up
on
so
I
appreciate
that
yes,
so
if
I
can
summarize,
perhaps-
and
you
can
say
yes
or
no
to
my
understanding,
if
the
temporary
housing
or
temporary
residents,
whatever
verbage
we
want
to
use-
is
paid
for
by
government,
you
believe
that
it's
a
shelter,
it's
a
shelter
versus
if
it's
some
kind
of
temporary
solution
that
you're
paying
for
to
receive
treatment
of
some
kind.
It's
it's
a
residential
care
facility.
H
H
H
If
you
look
at
the
residential
care
facility,
it
does
provide
nursing
homes
which
in
which,
which
would
imply
that
would
be
an
environment
where
you
need
long
term
health
services
and
by
looking
at
the
interpretation,
note
you
and
it's
a
supervised
living
environment
where
they're
expected
to
stay
more
than
30
days.
There
are
other
definitions
that
would
probably
attain
higher
health
requirement
facilities.
I
appreciate.
D
How
is
that
different
than
a
long
format,
hospital
type
setting
if
you're,
if
you're
staying
for
a
long
period
of
time
in
a
in
a
room
or
a
bed
that
is
assigned
to
you
and
you
are
receiving
treatment
or
service
related
to
helping
you
improve
your
health
status
in
some
way?
How
what
is
the
difference?
Well,.
H
The
difference
is
term
of
accommodations
if
you're
in
there
for
likely
less
than
30
days,
and
there
are
definition,
it's
a
shelter
and
we
provided
on
the
map,
those
facilities
that
attain
that
definition
under
30
days
now,
under
this
shelter
definition,
you
are
permitted
to
provide
other
social
services,
so
it
could
be
drug
addiction.
It
could
be
abuse,
it
could
be.
H
A
I
We
all
understand
that
they
do
great
works
in
the
city
and
it
makes
us
look
at
them
in
a
different
light
than
if
it
were
just
Joe.
Schmoe
developer
coming
to
make
this
application,
however,
simply
put
the
application,
isn't
in
line
with
the
spirit
of
the
traditional
Main
Street
zoning
to
call
the
facility
a
community
hub
is
a
misnomer.
It
really
is
a
350
bed,
shelter
of
temporary
housing
for
people.
There
are
many
shiny
objects
that
are
being
thrown
at
you,
but
at
the
root
of
it.
It's
still.
A
temporary
building.
I
You've
said
that
human
impact
is
not
part
of
what
the
Planning
Committee
looks
at
in
its
decision
making.
However,
I
think
that
that
is
flawed,
because
zoning
bylaws
are
put
in
place
with
the
intention
of
protecting
neighborhoods
spirit
of
living
style
of
housing
and
density.
So
those
are
all
impacts
on
human
living.
I
I
understand
that
it's
hard
also
for
suburban
councillors
to
appreciate
these
kinds
of
projects
and
demands,
because,
from
the
suburban
perspective,
your
communities
are
so
finely
planned
and
tuned.
There
are
really
very
few
opportunities
for
things
like
this
to
arise,
but
as
urban
residents
we
are
constantly
bombarded
with
people
trying
to
push
the
envelope
and
over
develop
or
change
the
development
scheme
and
focus
that
the
city
has
had
in
place.
I
I
also
strongly
object
to
the
process
and
to
the
way
that
this
deal
seems
to
have
been
brokered
in
the
back
rooms
of
City
Hall
I
appreciate
that
the
market
is
not
the
touristic
jewel
that
Ottawa
wishes
it
to
be.
However,
by
moving
one
problem
to
another
area
does
not
solve
the
problem.
It
just
moves.
I
I
Also,
we've
been
told
that
there
will
be
economic
benefits
to
the
community
if
this
application,
ism
approved
and
I,
find
that
ludicrous
there
will
be
two
hundred
people
working
at
the
site
coming
in
and
out.
That
is
not
enough
for
a
potential
business
owner
to
set
up
shop
on
a
street
to
potentially
service
those
people.
I
A
Thank
you
very
much
you
and
thanks,
because
you
actually
raised
some
different
points
that
we
haven't
heard
most
of
yesterday
was
good.
Thank
you
very
much.
Inky
I,
don't
see
any
questions
thanks
for
coming
out.
You're
welcome
so
to
sit
in
miss
Bella
Vic's
place
is
Gisele
Bouvier
Giselle.
If
you're
here
please
come
forward
and
now
we'll
go
right
to
Claire
Carriere
Bonjour.
E
I
First,
I'm,
not
an
expert
in
anything
being
discussed
here
today.
In
fact,
I'm
really
nervous,
except
that
I've
spent
more
time
than
I
ever
wanted
to
listening
learning
researching
attending
many
meetings.
Meetings
I
had
to
fight
to
get
access
to
a
few,
even
with
Salvation
Army.
Finally,
so
that
I
could
better
understand
how
this
proposed
land
use
might
affect.
My
participation
in
my
community
I've,
pretty
deep
roots
in
Vanier
I'm,
a
french-born,
semi-retired,
HR
professional,
proud,
grandma,
attended,
Riedl
high
school.
I
My
three
sons
were
born
at
the
Montfort,
was
on
the
board
of
the
VCA
I
volunteer
at
our
community
gardens.
So,
though,
I'm
not
an
activist
getting
myself
blocked
from
my
mayor's
Twitter
account
certainly
has
me
thinking.
Otherwise,
thanks
Betsy
I
choose
to
live
in
Vanier
for
many
reasons,
but
partly
this
is
where
I
can
let
my
French
flourish,
and
it's
where
being
involved
in
this
community
is
really
quite
gratifying.
So
please
don't
preach
to
be
about
not
doing
our
part
I
care
about
doing
the
right
thing.
I
For
those
needing
a
hand
up
I
applaud
the
good
that
the
Salvation
Army
does,
even
though
I
might
not
agree
with
some
of
their
doctrines,
despite
some
evidence
to
the
contrary,
there's
some
pretty
great
places
to
enjoy
here
in
Vanier,
and
there
is
a
serious
imbalance
between
those
in
need
of
help
and
those
able
to
be
that
helped.
This
proposal
further
impacts
that
balance.
So
should
this
developer
get
to
impact
my
ability
to
safely
access
an
entire
city
block
on
my
main
street.
I
Today
there
are
10
times
the
number
of
police
calls
to
George
Street,
as
there
are
to
Montreal
Road.
How
does
more,
maybe
better
square
footage
make
all
these
things
disappear,
there's
so
many
ambiguous
facts.
You've
heard
I
was
here
yesterday.
What's
the
actual
number
of
Vanier
residents
accessing
salvation
services?
When
is
a
shelter,
not
a
shelter?
When
is
a
hotel,
not
a
hotel,
not
easy
to
conclude
the
adverse
or
no
adverse
impacts?
I
really
do
sympathize
with
you.
I
I
My
concerns
here
are
based
on
decades
of
evidence
and
police
statistics
of
not
targeting
people
I'm
looking
at
facts
just
like
many
of
you
are
too
so
when
I
ask
the
Salvation
Army
again
at
a
meeting
about
their
efforts
for
ensuring
my
safety,
their
response
at
that
time
was
it's
a
police
issue
or
they
described
a
bunch
of
safety
precautions
they'd
be
taken
for
their
employees,
not
very
reassuring.
For
me.
I
I
also
don't
buy
the
Salvation
Army
party
line,
saying
that
the
350
male
clients
will
all
sit
around
and
chitchat
over
coffee
in
the
pretty
courtyard
winters
get
a
little
cold
here.
Humans
need
the
freedom
to
wander
a
minute,
then
add
this
dynamic
to
a
neighborhood
where
serious
struggles
are
already
occurring.
Frankly,
it's
like
putting
the
Fox
in
the
henhouse,
no
matter
what
they
decide
to
call
this
institution,
given
that
a
community
hub
doesn't
allow
overnight
use
to
me
you're
trading,
a
shelter
for
a
shelter
and
a
new
neighborhood.
D
Thanks
very
much
for
coming
out
this
morning,
if
one
of
your
concerns
is
that
they
may
use,
the
other
aspects
of
the
facility
is
overflow
for
temporary
sheltering.
If
you
could
be
assured
that
that
would
not
happen
in
some
kind
of
very
formal,
not
just
taking
their
word
for
kind
of
way.
Would
that
alleviate
your
particular
concern?
No.
I
Cuz,
it
doesn't
change
the
imbalance
that
currently
exists.
You
asked
yesterday
why
the
businesses
don't
come.
We
know
why
the
businesses
don't
come.
We
just
hesitate
saying
yet
because
of
getting
pinpointed,
NIMBY
and
other
things,
but
there's
an
imbalance
350
more
in
that
opposite
side
of
balance,
to
get
economic
viability
doesn't
help
the
neighborhood.
A
A
In
fact,
Michael
Pollan
wasn't
the
only
one
that
got
that
applause
yesterday,
but
please,
let's
we've
got
a
lot
of
speakers
to
go
through
and
I
hope
that
anyone
here
who
is
in
this
room
today,
that's
on
the
list
that
we
get
to
today,
but
we
are
at
a
like
a
hundred
and
seventy,
and
we
are
currently
I'm
going
to
ask
Celyn
to
speak
next
and
she's
number
37,
so
the
next
person
to
come
and
sit
at
the
front.
Please
is
Denise
Beauchamp
here
Denise
come
and
have
a
seat
and
sullen
the
floor
is
yours.
F
Thank
you.
I
wanted
to
speak
today
because
I
wanted
to
express
that
I'm
disappointed
in
the
Salvation
Army
for
giving
me
reasons
to
be
disappointed
in
the
Salvation
Army
I'll
start
with
some
context
similar
to
others.
What
others
have
said
and
then
I'll
get
specific
about
this
case.
I
chose
to
live
in
Vanier.
For
many
reasons,
it
is
ethnically
diverse.
It
is
linguistically
diverse.
It
has
residents
from
various
different
backgrounds.
It
has
a
large
indigenous
population.
F
These
things
make
the
area
interesting
to
live
in
I
have
volunteered
with
the
venue
Beautification
Committee
I
pick
up
litter
I
pick
up
litter
in
Vanier,
I
ride
a
bike;
I
don't
own.
A
car
and
I
like
living
in
a
downtown
neighborhood
I
have
donated
produce
from
my
garden
to
the
local
food
bank
called
bath
venue
I
donate
to
the
mission,
the
Ottawa
Food,
Bank
OC,
so
Oxfam
care
and
the
UN
refugee
agency.
F
I
have
volunteered
for
four
months
in
Guatemala
for
Habitat
for
Humanity
I
have
volunteered
serving
food
at
the
Shepherd's
of
Good,
Hope
and
I'm.
Saying
all
this,
because
I'm
disappointed
that
many
residents
are
being
called
Ninh,
biased,
racist
and
against
the
homeless,
in
social
media
and
some
traditional
media.
There
are
shelters
and
various
special
housing
in
Vanier
and
elsewhere
in
our
ward,
and
we
don't
complain
about
them.
In
fact,
we
support
them
and
we
volunteer.
This
is
not
about
a
community
rejecting
the
downtrodden.
F
F
New
333
montréal
Road
to
get
to
know
our
community
better
I
used
to
donate
to
the
Salvation
Army,
but
I
will
no
longer
do
that
because
of
the
way
the
Salvation
Army
has
decided
to
approach
this
issue
and
how
they
have
created
conflict
in
my
community
and
across
the
city.
Their
approach
has
pitted
people
against
each
other.
If
you
don't
support
their
proposal,
you
are
against
the
homeless.
F
I
do
not
agree
with
that
statement
if
the
Salvation
Army
had
made
a
call
to
the
public,
including
vani
residents
and
residents
of
other
communities,
if
they
talked
to
the
BIA
to
the
social
services,
and
we
heard
yesterday
that
they
did
not
speak
to
CSA
Vanier,
which
is
a
major
hub
of
services
in
our
community.
If
they
had
spoken
with
indigenous
representatives
and
I
have
heard
from
people
who
work
in
that
community
that
they
were
not
approached,
I
don't
know
if
they
spoke
into
sex
workers
that
we
worry
about
on
our
streets.
F
I,
don't
know
if
they've
talked
to
former
addicts
who
are
our
neighbors.
If
they
had
taken
the
time
to
gather
ideas
and
listen
to
our
concerns,
they
could
have
avoided
this
conflict
and
this
crisis
situation.
We
find
ourselves
in
one
of
the
counselors
yesterday
asked
about
the
public
consultation
on
this
proposal.
The
community
found
out
about
this
proposal
through
the
media
in
June.
The
Salvation
Army
refused
to
have
a
public
consultation
during
the
summer.
F
We
know
from
public
records
that
the
Salvation
Army
did
take
the
time
to
meet
individually
with
the
mayor
and
several
members
of
council
The
Salvation
Army
made
a
presentation
and
apartment
building
on
Mott
railroad
that
was
closed
to
the
public.
The
Salvation
Army
was
going
to
have
a
closed-door
meeting
with
the
board
of
the
Vania
Community
Association,
but
residents
insisted
the
meeting
be
opened
in
that
meeting.
The
Salvation
Army
was
not
able
to
answer
very
basic
questions
about
whether
the
proposal
considered
the
safety
and
security
of
nearby
residents.
F
They
had
no
interest
in
changing
their
design
based
on
community
input
and
questions.
The
September
13th
event
was
called
an
open
house
and
consultation
by
the
Salvation
Army.
It
was
an
open
house,
but
respectfully
it
was
not
a
consultation.
It
was
held
outside
of
Vanier,
which
is
a
very
important
point.
They
did
not
hold
it
in
vain
yay
it
was.
It
lasted
about
six
or
seven
hours,
possibly
in
the
hope
that
no
critical
mass
of
residents
would
develop
to
ask
them
questions.
F
The
Salvation
Army
survey
document
that
they
were
circulating
asked
something
like
did
you
learn
anything
today
there
was
no
panel
of
Salvation
Army
staff,
no
microphone,
no
chairs
for
people
to
sit
no
schedule
of
speakers.
It
was
a
bonding
exercise.
They
were
clearly
not
interested
in
hearing
from
us
or
open
to
making
meaningful
changes
to
their
proposal.
Before
these
three
days
of
Planning
Committee.
F
We,
the
residents,
businesses,
social
services,
never
got
to
have
a
meaningful
engagement
with
the
Salvation
Army
to
discuss
the
needs
in
our
community
and
the
concerns
and
questions
of
our
community
and
whether
the
proposed
land
use
makes
sense
as
envisioned
by
the
Salvation
Army
as
it
is.
We
can
speak
here
to
this
committee,
but
not
to
the
community
and
Protective
Services
Committee,
which
should
look
into
this
case.
We
have
an
opportunity
to
do
something:
positive
for
the
clients
of
the
Salvation
Army
and
the
residents
and
taxpayers
of
Ottawa.
F
Please
vote
against
this
proposal
and
tell
the
Salvation
Army.
They
can
come
back
to
you
once
they
have
genuinely
engaged
with
the
community
and
worked
with
a
variety
of
stakeholders
on
a
viable
plan
that
takes
into
account
their
client's
needs,
the
interests
of
local
businesses
and
the
questions
of
residents
of
various
ethnic
and
socioeconomic
backgrounds.
Thank
you.
D
J
Hello,
the
policies
of
the
provincial
policy
statement
set
out
the
government's
land-use
vision
for
how
we
settle
our
landscape,
create
our
built
environment
and
manage
our
land
and
resources
over
the
long
term
to
achieve
livable
and
resilient
communities.
The
PPS
also
states
public
service
facilities
should
be
co-located
in
community
hubs,
where
appropriate,
to
promote
cost-effectiveness
and
facilitate
service
integration,
access
to
transit
and
active
transportation
planning
staff
has
emitted
the
part
that
says
we're
appropriate.
J
It
is
not
appropriate
in
an
already
vulnerable
community,
like
Vanier
many
of
the
presenters
before
me,
attested
to
that
vulnerability,
and
many
intervenors
after
me
will
do
also.
You
cannot
ignore
this.
This
development
will
not
achieve
a
livable
and
resilient
community.
It
will
destroy
the
community.
J
The
Ontario
Planning
Act
provides
the
basis
for
preparing
official
plans
and
planning
policies
to
guide
future
development
in
the
cities.
Official
plan
volume,
1,
section,
205,
building,
livable
communities,
a
preamble
states,
a
focus
on
community
design,
draws
attention
to
how
buildings
and
the
spaces
around
them
look
and
function
in
their
setting.
This
is
what
planning
staff
has
done.
In
the
same
paragraph,
we
read
the
best
urban
design
is
informed
by
a
solid
appreciation
of
a
place
being
built,
the
people
in
it
and
the
community
around
it.
J
Since
planning
staff
has
ignored
both
the
people
in
it
and
the
community
around
it.
I
am
deeply
concerned
that
no
social
impact
assessment
was
done
first,
concerning
the
people
in
the
place
to
be
built
of
the
men
who
will
move
from
the
current
booth
center
to
the
proposed
site
in
Vani.
Many
have
addiction,
and/or
mental
health
issues,
a
few
with
unpredictable
and
at
times
violent
behavior.
J
The
man
only
booth
Center
has
a
record
of
being
in
the
top
five
addresses
for
calls
to
the
police,
which
is
no
surprise,
since
it
is
a
magnet
for
predators
offering
sex
and
drugs
second
about
the
community
around
it
under
Section,
two
five
one
urban
design
and
compatibility.
One
of
the
design
objectives
is
to
create
places
that
are
safe,
accessible
and
are
easy
to
get
to
and
move
through.
As
for
safety,
there
was
an
unusual
spike
this
summer
in
unwelcome
activities
on
and
near
our
traditional
Main
Street.
Other
communities
experienced
this
as
well.
J
I
found
out
the
cause
at
yesterday's
committee
meeting,
a
private
security
company
was
hired
to
clear
the
Byward
market
area
and
down
George
Street
before
Canada
day,
one
500.
As
a
result,
we
got
to
see
people
openly
dealing
drugs
offering
sex
and
furtively,
injecting
drugs
strangers
have
been
trespassing
on
private
property
residents,
have
found
hypodermic
needles
in
their
own
backyards
and
been
victims
of
theft
from
their
cars.
J
This
has
given
us
a
taste
of
what
to
expect
when
the
criminal
activity
around
the
booth
Center
moves
to
Vanier,
and
since
the
proposed
facility
will
have
many
more
beds,
we
can
expect
an
even
greater
frequency
of
this
activity,
while
the
applicants,
plans
and
flashy
PR
documents
show
a
six
story.
Building
the
planning
staffs
report
mentions
twice
that
a
12
story
building
is
allowed
on
the
site.
J
We
can
expect
the
same
scenario
that
occurred
in
old
Ottawa
south,
where
a
builder
received
approval
to
expand
a
six
unit,
apartment
building
to
12
bedrooms
and
ended
up
with
27
simply
by
requesting
a
minor
variance
to
committee
of
adjustment.
If
the
application
is
accepted
and
the
applicant
has
expressed,
they
are
looking
to
further
expand,
we
expect
to
see
a
request
before
the
committee
of
adjustment
for
a
minor
variants
to
add
six
floors
which
would
not
affect
the
size
of
the
approved
land
area
occupied
by
the
building
with
12
floors.
J
K
D
D
J
E
Dear
counselors,
my
name
is
Denis
Basha
344
Street,
since
1967
member
are
the
social
impact
Committee
on
Vanier.
As
a
member
of
the
francophone
community,
I'd
like
to
register
my
vote
against
the
application
made
by
the
Salvation
Army
for
the
construction
of
mega
refuge
for
people
who
are
homeless
3:33
in
Montreal
Road
is
situated
in
Vanier
the
French
Quarter
for
families.
E
One
point,
one
point:
one
and
one
point
four
point:
one
of
the
secondary
plan
for
the
material
world
district
in
which
they
see
parwa,
has
taken
the
following
commitments
that
is
comply
with
the
objectives
that
are
set,
encourage
a
traditional
Main
Street,
as
well
as
development
and
redevelopment
that
value
the
positive
aspects
of
the
actual
aspect
of
the
area
too,
have
public
spaces
covered
areas
with
landscaping
accessible
to
each
and
everyone
and
public
art
that
reflects
the
history
of
the
district.
One
point
for
point:
one:
Montreal
Road,
along
Montreal
Road.
E
The
center
area
is
designated
as
the
French
Quarter.
You
know
that,
and
its
role
is
that
of
an
intersection
for
the
cultural
identity
of
Vanier,
public
art,
street
furniture
infrastructures
and
contemporary
interpretation.
That
offer
that
is
offered
by
the
design
of
buildings
are
some
of
the
elements
that
reflect
the
history
of
the
French
Quarter.
How
can
this
proposed
project
meet
those
objectives?.
E
Daily
I
would
like
to
continue
to
be
served
in
French
in
Vanier,
as
well
as
elsewhere.
In
Ottawa,
like
will
the
Salvation
Army
coffee
shop
offer
services
in
the
language
of
my
choice,
I'm
also
objecting
to
your
decision
to
allow
Batman's
zoning
amendments
for
the
following
reasons.
I
only
have
three
to
large
concentration
of
comings
and
goings
and
criminal
activity
that
we've
known
in
the
violent
market
that
will
affect
the
quality
of
light
and
the
safety
of
citizens
I'm
concerned
with
drugs
or
prostitution
having
more
street
gangs
in
the
area
and
intrusions
on
our
properties.
E
3
I'm
also
concerned
with
the
increase
of
car
traffic
that
will
be
caused
by
deal
opening
of
the
former
Street
Reginald,
that
close
to
my
house.
Those
will
have
an
impact,
a
negative
impact
on
the
quality
of
my
life,
my
health,
my
safety
and
will
contribute
to
my
isolation
in
order
to
help
our
most
vulnerable
citizens,
I
would
propose
the
approach
that
is
found
in
the
official
plant
housing
first,
where
they
would
be
spread
out
in
different
areas
of
Ottawa.
Thank
you.
E
Morning,
miss
Borgia,
thank
you
for
your
wonderful
presentation
and
the
clarity
of
your
submission.
I
have
a
personal
question.
If
you
frequently
walk
in
the
bar
with
market.
Yes,
in
the
summer,
we
also
use
our
bikes.
We
we
go
very
often
you're.
Our
senior
members
of
council
are
very
interested
in
access,
ensuring
that
seniors
be
active
in
the
community
and
be
safe.
So
what
is
your
impression
if
you've
walked
the
block
between
Cumberland
Andalusia
on
George?
Have
you
been
there
before?
E
What's
your
impression,
my
first
impression
is
that
we
are
afraid
now,
there's
always
people
who
are
begging
for
money
and
they
say
bad
things.
So
less
and
less
do
we
use
our
bikes
to
go.
We
take
the
car.
That's
my
first
impression
what
model?
What
do
you
think
of
the
model
that
is
submitted
to
by
a
Salvation
Army?
What
is
the
impact?
Is
it
only
on
the
sidewalk?
E
A
A
We
have
an
empty
seat
to
move
to
some
empty
seats
now
rosemary
leach.
Are
you
here
rosemary,
come
forward
and
Tara
o'halleran
Tara?
Okay,
so
we'll
go
back
to
Hortense
Hortense?
Are
you
Hortense?
No
Marilyn,
okay,
I'm
good,
no
I'm,
no
I'm
really
confused!
So,
okay,
let
me
just
make
sure
who
I
I
haven't
called
up
then
Hortense,
where's
Hortense,
is
that
you
coming
down
the
stairs.
A
G
J
A
lot
of
what
goes
on
at
the
Salvation
Army,
it's
a
very
complicated
place
with
a
lot
of
complicated
people
with
a
lot
of
complicated
problems.
I
see
about
50
people
a
day
who
come
in
for
emergency,
food
assistance
and
vouchers,
and
others
who
have
like
housing,
related
appointments
and
some
people
who
just
come
in
to
talk
I
meet
a
lot
of
people
who
come
to
access
our
service
at
CFS,
which
is
community
and
Family
Services
for
emergency
assistance.
J
One
of
the
services
that
CFS
offers
is
money
wise
money.
Wise
is
a
program
designed
to
help
singles
and
families
gain
stability
in
housing
and
financial
affairs
through
coaching
trustee,
shape
and
support.
The
program
serves
Ray's
recipients
of
social
benefits,
pensions
and
our
wages
and
managing
their
money
in
order
to
decrease
the
risk
of
homelessness
and
to
learn
to
manage
their
own
personal
finances
responsibly.
J
The
clientele
that
we
deal
with
range
from
mothers,
families,
single
parents,
Syrian
refugees
and
newcomer
to
Canada
in
the
new
building
CFS
will
be
located
on
the
ground
floor
with
a
separate
entrance
which
will
be
will
minimize
the
risk
of
young
families
being
exposed
to
the
vulnerable
population,
which
is
the
way
it
works
now.
This
will
give
clients
a
sense
of
security
in
a
non-judgmental
environment.
J
This
will
provide
clients
with
the
safe
environment
to
access
the
specific
services
that
they
require.
There
will
also
be
a
trip
store
on
site,
which
will
be
an
improvement
now
when
a
client
comes
for
a
voucher,
they
have
to
go
to
different
locations
to
further
trip
store.
This
will
be
a
one-stop
shop
and,
in
conclusion,
I
just
want
to
say
that
I
this
will
be
an
improvement
with
everyone's
needs
being
met
as
everything
now
it
will
be
separate.
Our
clients
will
be
continued
to
be
treated
with
respect,
compassion
and
caring.
Thank
you.
B
B
J
B
Were
talking
before
about
the
some
of
the
Syrian
families
and
some
of
the
families,
we
know
that
these,
for
example,
the
Salvation
Army
currently,
but
also
on
the
new
location,
does
not
propose
a
Family
Shelter,
so
why?
Why
would
that
need?
Why
would
that
service
be
required
on
that
location?
Could
we
not
could
the
Salvation
Army
not
offer
Family
Services
elsewhere
and
offer
maybe
a
more
safe
environment.
J
B
A
A
It's
me
the
last
time
I
call
okay,
so
we're
going
to
Rosemary
Leach
before
we
do,
though
it's
Anita
Millington
here,
Sunita
no
I'll
call
her
again,
but
the
last
Jillian
Kirkland
Jillian
you're,
moving
up
the
list
quickly
come
on
and
have
a
seat
and
I'll
I'll
make
sure
that
I
call
Sunita
again
before
so
rosemary.
You
have
five
minutes.
Thank
you
for
coming
today.
Good.
K
Morning,
madam
chair,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
present
to
planning
committee
on
this
matter.
As
you
know,
my
name
is
rosemary.
Leach
I've
lived
in
beignet
for
four
and
a
half
years
there
any
number
of
ways
to
characterize
beignet.
It's
eclectic
diverse,
colorful,
edgy
rough
poor,
complex.
The
list
goes
on.
K
One
word
that
is
never
used
to
describe.
Vanier
is
exclusive.
Fanny
does
not
shun
shelters
nor
shy
away
from
the
people
who
use
them.
On
the
contrary,
with
a
large
number
of
shelters
in
this
area,
they
are
part
of
the
fabric
of
our
community,
but
we
do
oppose,
however,
as
a
shelter
of
the
scale
and
magnitude
proposed
for
333
Montreal,
Road
adjacent
to
a
mature
neighborhood
and
along
a
designated
traditional
Main
Street.
The
Main
Street
strives
to
be
a
place
of
business
and
social
interact,
action
that
is
pedestrian
friendly
in
planning
terms.
K
A
traditional,
Main
Street
is
intended
to
accommodate
a
broad
range
of
uses,
including
retail,
commercial
office,
residential
and
the
institutional
with
the
Salvation
Army's
abstinence
policy
and
its
minimal
harm
reduction
strategies.
The
shelter's
clients
who
use
drugs
and
alcohol
may
find
themselves
spilling
onto
beignets
traditional
Main
Street.
This
could
encourage
even
more
predatory
drug
dealers
and
payday
loan
stores
to
the
area
to
police
audits
in
2016
around
the
booth
center
on
George
Street
confirm
this
activity
at
that
location.
K
An
amendment
to
the
official
official
plan
for
a
traditional
Main
Street
should
be
rejected
if
it
will
hurt
the
chances
for
economic
growth
along
a
traditional
Main
Street.
With
this
in
mind,
I
urge
you
to
turn
down
this
application.
It
will
kill
Montreal
roads
chances
of
ever
becoming
a
traditional
Main.
Street
Vanier
needs
an
influx
of
viable
businesses,
not
more
pot
shops
and
payday
loan
stores.
K
A
handful
of
promising
shops
have
popped
up
over
the
past
few
years,
but
there's
been
a
distinct
chill
since
the
announcement
of
the
Salvation
Army's
proposed
shelter
at
333
Montreal
Road.
This
proposal
is
not
only
scaring
away
investors
and
business
owners,
but
also
families
who
would
move
here
and
patronize
those
businesses.
It
doesn't
make
sense
to
amend
the
Official
Plan
to
pave
the
way
for
an
institution
that
will
hobble
Vanier's
chances
for
economic
development,
with
a
treated
traditional
Main
Street
at
its
core
trading.
K
The
problems
that
exist
on
George,
Street
and
redoubling
them
on
Montreal
Road
is
not
an
answer
to
the
issue
of
homelessness
in
Ottawa.
Shelters
of
this
scale
do
not
belong
on
any
Main
Street,
not
in
Westboro,
not
in
the
market,
not
in
the
Glebe,
not
in
bar
Haven,
and
certainly
not
in
Vani.
Moreover,
the
proposed
site
is
just
meters
from
the
waba
no
Aboriginal
health
center,
which
delivers
health
care
to
the
largest
pocket
of
aboriginal
people.
K
An
already
vulnerable
group
in
this
city,
Aboriginal
women
and
young
children,
go
there
for
their
health
care
as
the
inquiry
into
murdered
and
missing
indigenous
women
stumbles
along
the
thought
of
placing
350
at-risk
men
in
close
proximity
to
this
facility
is
nothing
more
than
a
ticking
time
bomb
in
the
area
of
brick,
an
era
of
reconciliation.
It
would
be
unconscionable
to
situate
this
facility
here.
K
This
is
not
an
easy
question
and
there
are
no
easy
answers,
however,
problems
that
are
already
hindering
Montreal
roads.
Revitalization
should
not
be
amplified
because
an
amendment
is
made
to
the
official
plan
to
place
a
shelter
that
does
not
fit
with
planning
policy
objectives
is
put
there.
Surely
there
are
more
fitting
places
to
deliver
these
services
away
from
a
Main
Street
Ottawa
follows
a
3,
R's
motto:
it
is
time
to
think
about
a
separate
set
of
ours
for
banier
revitalization,
economic
redevelopment
and
certainly,
as
we
sit
on
unseeded
Algonquin,
Terry
territory,
reconciliation.
K
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L
L
In
my
submission,
I
was
wondering
where
the
closest
safe
injection
site
would
be
for
Montreal
Road
residents
now
that
they
wouldn't
have
Shepherds
nearby
and
I
was
also
when
listening
yesterday,
hearing
about
collocation
being
a
good
model,
wondering
where
are
women
going
to
get
this
same
collocation
service?
All
that
said
I'm
here,
to
recommend
that
the
Planning
Committee
either
temporarily
hold
on
a
decision
or,
if
necessary,
vote
against
this
project.
Why
do
I
say
this?
Well,
why
I'm
cognizant
that
today's
agenda
item
relates
to
plan
amendment
and
zoning
holistic?
L
Strategic
planning
is
not
done
in
a
vacuum.
It's
very
unfortunate.
The
city's
community
and
Protective
Services
Committee
didn't
meet
beforehand
to
discuss
this
proposal.
This
is
where
the
social
impact
aspects
could
have
been
discussed.
How
we
can
justifiably
proceed
on
a
decision
regarding
such
a
socially
focused
project.
L
This
gap
in
the
process
is
unclear
to
me.
This
committees
terms
of
reference,
however,
recognizes
a
holistic
approach,
as
one
of
its
specific
responsibilities
under
the
planning
section
is
to
quote
ensure
the
proper
investigation
and
survey
of
the
physical,
social,
economic
and
environmental
conditions
in
relation
to
the
development
and
redevelopment
of
the
land
within
an
urban
boundary.
Well,
perhaps
this
proposal
is
not
considered
development
redevelopment.
In
any
event,
we
know
that
reasons
for
homelessness
can
range
anywhere
from
a
breadwinner
losing
their
job
to
addicts,
mental
health
issues
so
on.
L
Yes,
some
need
counseling
and
some
need
a
bed
for
the
night,
but
literature
and
research
and
positive
outcomes
indicates
a
solution
for
certain
people
along.
This
continuum
lies
with
the
housing
first
model,
which
is
being
applied
around
the
world
and
somewhat
here,
it's
getting
results
and
it's
saving
taxpayer
money
in
the
long
run.
With
this
model,
we
have
the
potential
to
eradicate
and
not
just
manage
homelessness
for
specific
target
populations.
L
L
Yes,
funds
are
needed,
so
accommodations
can
be
built
and
our
existing
place
is
rented,
but
we
have
a
model
that
we're
not
fully
taking
advantage
of,
thereby
perpetuating
an
increase
in
the
need
for
more
expensive
alternatives
in
the
long
run,
such
as
transition,
shelter,
temporary.
However,
but
if
we
don't
have
the
funds
for
something
that
pulls
concrete
results
like
housing
first,
then
how
do
we
have
the
funds
to
pay
for
extra
beds?
L
And
how
do
we
afford
to
sacrifice
frontage
and
square
footage
along
a
Main
Street
in
lieu
of
business,
generating
revenue,
paying
taxes,
creating
foot
traffic
and
revitalizing
a
neighborhood?
It
seems
to
me
the
planning
committee
would
be
involved
in
discussions
to
bring
about
housing
first
here
again,
perhaps
at
clearly
understand
mandate,
but
the
affordable
housing
section
of
their
terms
of
reference
scopes.
L
Some
responsibilities,
as
quote,
make
recommendations
to
counsel
and
how
to
adequately
and
affordably
house
Ottawa
residents
and
provide
options
for
increasing
the
supply
of
affordable
housing
and
make
recommendations
to
Council
on
housing
policies
for
the
city's
official
plan.
In
closing
approving
this
application,
because
the
city
has
timeline,
commitments
would
be
premature.
L
We
need
to
make
decisions
that
are
financially
sound
and
that
make
the
best
use
of
taxpayer
dollars
so
that
the
city
that
the
city
receives
to
address
this
social
and
economic
problem,
we
need
to
further
adopt
and
evolve
and
ensure
that
we
are
planning
a
holistic
approach
to
our
different
types
of
homelessness
along
this
continuum,
and
it
starts
with
this
proposal-
it's
not
too
late.
Thank
you
great.
B
For
being
here,
I'd
love
for
you
to
take
a
second,
your
condo
president
did
speak
to
committee
yesterday.
Can
you
obviously
have
diverging
views
on
the
approach?
In
your
mind,
the
current
situation
has
its
own
challenges,
but
until
we
find
a
more
holistic
situation,
you
believe
that
the
current
situation
should
should
should
stay
until
we
invest
heavily
in
housing.
First,
could
you
maybe
speak
to
you
as
a
resident
that
lives
across
the
street
from
the
existing
location?
How
you
see?
How
do
you
see
that
the
needs,
and
how
do
you
see
that
unfold.
L
L
I,
say
hi,
they
say
hi
they
like
that
they
like
to
talk
to
people,
and
so
that's
going
to
happen.
Either
way
people
need
fresh
air,
they
need
sunlight,
they
need
to
get
out
and
I.
Think.
If
someone
mentioned
yes,
there's
a
courtyard,
but
you
know
you
don't
want
to
feel
like
you're
in
a
prison
and
you
may
be
it's
not
a
place
to
be
thanks.
B
A
B
A
B
A
A
G
A
Working
all
right
thanks,
hello,
my
name
is
Gillian
Kirkland
and
I.
Am
a
citizen
and
a
resident
of
Vanier
I?
Welcome
the
opportunity
to
address
the
Planning
Committee
on
issues
related
to
the
zoning
of
Montreal
Road
Montreal
road
is
the
main
street
of
our
community.
The
main
street
of
a
community
is
like
the
heart
of
a
body.
It
is
where
the
lifeblood
of
the
community
flows
and
where
each
of
the
parts
can
interact
with
the
whole
in
a
healthy
community.
It
is
where
neighbors
reconnect
and
do
business,
but
venues
heart
is
sick.
A
It
is
overburdened
by
pawn
shops
and
money
changers
along
with
a
bingo
hall
and
strip
club.
This
creates
an
environment
that
most
of
the
residents
seek
to
avoid.
As
a
consequence,
it
has
become
a
sort
of
dead
zone
where
criminal
activity
of
every
time
can
flourish
to
help
the
people
in
need
who
are
already
part
of
our
community
and
to
whom
many
of
us
have
shown
great
compassion.
A
We
need
to
be
enabled
to
create
an
environment
that
offers
hope
for
a
better
future,
a
future
that
includes
small-scale,
supportive
housing,
not
a
mega
shelter,
and
here
I
would
like
to
quote
report
from
the
Mental
Health
Commission
of
Canada
at
home.she.
Soir
dated
2016
housing
first
rapidly
ends
homelessness
across
all
cities,
housing
first
participants
obtained
housing
and
retain
their
housing
at
a
much
higher
rate
than
the
treatment.
A
As
usual
group
in
the
last
six
months
of
the
study,
62%
of
housing,
first
participants
were
housed
all
of
the
time
22%
some
of
the
time
and
16%
none
of
the
time,
whereas
31%
of
treatment
as
usual
participants
were
housed
all
of
the
time
23%
some
of
the
time
and
46%.
None
of
the
time,
I'm
very
happy
that
this
committee
is
interested
in
discussing
this
zoning
issue
from
your
mom
first.
G
Of
all,
we
need
to
our
Main
Street,
because
we
have
the
distinction
of
having
the
highest
concentration
of
pawn
shops
in
the
entire
country.
Secondly,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
businesses
such
as
the
bingo
hall
and
the
striptease
club,
cannot
give
their
licenses
to
future
owners
and,
third,
we
need
to
encourage
the
establishment
of
businesses
that
will
benefit
the
neighborhood
through
an
improvement
plan.
A
The
consultation
that
this
public
consultation
is
a
democratic
farce
and
that
the
decision
of
this
committee
has
already
been
made.
Be
that
as
it
may,
we,
the
people,
a
venue,
will
not
stand
by
silently,
as
our
rights
are
trampled
on
once
again
for
the
sake
of
a
misguided
band-aid
solution
to
a
complex
problem.
Bigger
is
not
better.
A
The
frustration
you
hear
expressed
today
is
not
new.
In
fact
it
has
been
building
for
decades,
while
Hintonburg
was
getting
a
new
Aquatic
Complex.
We
were
left
to
deal
with
the
contaminated
soil
in
our
yards.
When
the
Glebe
was
getting
a
modernized,
Lansdowne
Park,
we
were
picking
up
syringes
in
our
children's
playground
and
while
Orleans
was
getting
a
light
rail
station,
we
were
fighting
against
having
a
mega
shelter
foisted
upon
the
main
street
of
our
community.
With
all
due
respect.
Madam
chair
and
committee
members,
we
are
not
second-class
citizens.
A
We
are
not
a
convenient
little
dumping
ground
for
all
of
the
city's
problems,
and
we
are
certainly
not
interested
in
returning
to
office.
Those
who
have
led
us
down
time
and
again,
monshell
Road,
is
our
Main
Street
and
the
heart
of
our
community
and
what
that
heart
needs
to
regain
its
strength
and
its
dignity
is
nowhere
to
be
found
in
a
mega
shelter.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
L
L
I'm,
a
music
teacher
I
teach
in
my
home
studio
in
Vanier,
my
students
range
in
age
from
6
to
80.
My
advertising
says
close
to
beechwood
and
I
hate
doing
that.
But
I
do
it
for
two
reasons:
one
because
I
am
close
to
beechwood
and
two,
because
if
I
said,
Vanier
I
might
get
fewer
phone
calls,
so
instead
I
say
near
beechwood
and
when
they
call
me
I
convinced
them
to
come
and
I've
heard
time
and
time
again
from
new
students.
L
L
Now
recently
the
BIA
had
meeting
the
first
public
meeting
were
those
of
us
in
the
neighborhood
were
able
to
listen
to
what
the
Salvation
Army
had
to
say
in
person
and
afterwards
we
were
given
the
opportunity
to
ask
some
questions
and
so
I
got
up
and
I
asked
the
representative
from
the
Salvation
Army.
What
I
should
tell
my
prospective
students
already?
Some
of
them
were
hesitant
to
call
me
and
he
smiled,
and
he
said
well,
maybe
our
clients
will
want
guitar
lessons.
L
L
This
one
run
by
one
woman,
an
immigrant
who
said
that
would
be
the
straw
that
broke
the
camel's
back
and
she
would
have
to
stop
now.
Will
this
affect
my
business?
It
might
I,
don't
know
it's
going
to
make
traffic
a
lot
worse
and
already
I
hear
complaints.
When
my
students
arrive,
my
Curtin
students
and
I
have
been
talking
a
whole
lot
because
they
see
the
SOS
Vanier
signs
around
the
neighbourhood
and
they
want
to
know
what
that's
about,
and
none
of
them
have
said.
L
Oh
great
move,
the
mega
shelter
here
and
I
also
want
to
add
that
I
am
an
immigrant
I've,
only
been
a
Canadian
citizen
for
three
years
and
I'm,
a
very
proud
Canadian
citizen,
but
right
now,
I'm
not
very
proud
of
this
plan
to
move
a
mega
shelter.
Five
blocks
from
my
house
that
will
not
benefit
their
clients,
nor
will
it
benefit
our
neighbourhood.
Thank
you.