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Planning Committee meeting of 14, 15 and 17 November 2017 - Audio Stream Part 1 of 6 (November 14, 2017 - AM)
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A
Yes,
we
do.
This
is
the
public
meeting
to
consider
the
proposed
comprehensive
official
plan
and
zoning
bylaw
amendments
listed
as
items
1,
2
3
on
today's
agenda
for
the
items
just
mentioned,
only
those
who
make
oral
submissions
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendments
are
adopted
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
Ontario
Municipal
Board.
In
addition,
the
applicant
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
Ontario
Municipal
Board.
B
Road
334
mo
4th
Street
and
273,
st.
and
Avenue,
as
my
daughter
is
employed
at
Shepherds,
our
Good
Hope,
an
organization
that
is
within
the
same
funding
bracket
as
Salvation
Army,
the
applicant
mentioned
and
could
see
its
operations
affected
by
the
changes
associated
with
this
application
should
I
proceed.
Okay,.
A
Just
for
those
here
in
the
chamber
that
may
not
know
this.
That
means
that
your
recusing
yourself
from
the
discussion
on
item
number
three.
Okay,
thank
you
and
just
for
anyone
in
the
room.
If
you're
looking
for
simultaneous
interpretation
of
both
official
languages,
we
have
available
for
you
and
for
all
members
of
the
committee
and
visiting
council
members
that
aren't
on
the
committee
confirmation
of
minutes
from
the
meeting
of
October
24th
2017.
Are
they
carry
okay?
So
the
first
item
on
the
agenda
today
is
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
250
Vanguard
Drive.
A
We
have
one
speaker
who
is
here
in
favor.
Just
any
member
of
council
have
any
questions.
Mr.
Michael
Wright.
Can
you
identify
yourself?
Please
do
you
need
to
speak,
sir,
if
we're
prepared
to
carry
this?
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
so
on
this
item.
Is
it
Carrie?
Thank
you.
Item
number
two.
Is
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
for
2144
East
acres
Road?
We
have
no
speakers.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions?
This
item?
Carrie?
A
A
Thank
You
counselor
Ellie,
so
we're
down
to
just
one
item
on
the
agenda
and
normally
at
with
just
one
item,
might
say:
that's
a
light
agenda
and
that
we
would
be
wrapped
up
before
noon.
But
that's
obviously
not
going
to
be
the
case
here.
The
Salvation
Army
is
seeking
amendments
to
the
Official
Plan,
the
zoning
bylaw
and
the
Montreal
Road
district
secondary
plan
to
permit
a
residential
care
facility,
a
shelter
and
surface
parking
on
their
property
on
Montreal
Road.
As
you
can
see
by
the
number
of
the
people
in
the
room.
A
A
Want
to
thank
the
community
members
who
have
been
so
active
and
engaged
on
this
file.
The
future
of
this
corner
of
Vanier
will
be
shaped
in
cooperation
between
engaged
residents
and
an
organization
that
wants
to
be
an
integral
part
of
the
community.
Ideally,
both
sides
will
continue
to
work
to
find
solutions
and
compromise
that
will
result
in
a
better
development
and
a
better
community
for
all
right
now,
however,
we
have
a
planning
application
to
consider
and
a
recommendation
from
our
plan.
A
Our
city
planning
staff,
it's
important
to
keep
in
mind
that,
while
there
has
clearly
been
strong
interest
from
the
community,
the
rules,
and
indeed
the
powers
of
Planning
Committee
in
its
consideration
of
this
application,
are
the
same
as
for
any
other
planning
committee.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
our
decision
must
relate
to
the
land
use
of
the
proposed
application
and
must
be
based
on
sound
land-use
planning
principles,
concerns
regarding
the
neighborhood
or
social
impact
of
this
development
are
appropriate,
but
must
relate
to
the
land
use
and
not
the
users
of
the
proposal.
A
We
also
have
over
150
people
who
have
already
signed
up
to
tell
us
their
thoughts
on
what
we
need
to
consider
about
this
development
and
about
the
staff
recommendations,
so
we're
going
to
take
the
time
we
need
to
listen
and
then
we're
going
to
discuss
the
proposed
facility.
For
that
reason,
we've
set
aside
three
days
and
the
council
chambers
to
listen
to
what
people
think
about
this
application
news
of
own
don't
preview
twice
so.
C
A
So
this
was
the
right
choice
and
to
handle
any
overflow
car
crowds.
We
have
also
set
up
the
Champlain
room,
so
you
can
follow
along
with
the
proceedings
from
there
just
as
easily
as
from
here
before
we
begin
I'm
going
to
set
out
how
we
expect
each
day
to
go
so
the
counselors
and
the
public
have
a
sense
of
what
is
happening.
A
At
12:30
and
I
asked
that
everybody
be
prompt
in
in
returning
here,
so
that
we
we
stay
on
schedule
as
much
as
possible.
If
you're
wondering
why
we're
not
meeting
on
Thursday
it's
because
the
community
and
Protective
Services
Committee
will
be
meeting
that
day
and
the
rules
don't
permit
committees
to
meet
at
the
same
time.
So
we'll
take
a
break
that
day.
It's
great
that
there
are
so
many
interests
of
people
here,
but
I'm
guessing
there
are
some
rules.
A
We
follow
that
people
who
have
never
been
here
before
might
not
be
aware
of
so
please
be
patient.
While
I
explain
if
you
have
registered
as
a
public
delegation,
you
will
want
to
pay
attention
to
these
instructions,
especially
if
you've
never
presented
to
a
committee
before
they
delegate
see
on
public
and
Street
the.
A
Traductor
e
remarks
I
will
ask
the
city
planning
staff
to
come
forward
and
make
a
presentation
about
their
report
and
their
recommendation
to
approve
the
application.
After
that
presentation
will
begin
hearing
from
public
delegations,
public
delegations
are
called
in
the
order
they
signed
up.
So
we
can't
guarantee
what
time
you
will
be
called
to
make
your
presentation.
You
can
visit
the
sign-up
desk
from
time
to
time
to
see
where
you
are
on
the
speakers
list.
A
Again,
that's
just
outside
the
doors
here,
but
you
need
to
listen
for
for
myself
or
Vice
Chair
T,
or
need
to
call
your
name
when
we
call
your
name
make
your
way
to
the
table,
which
is
that
table
where
I'm,
pointing
right
there
and
take
a
seat
at
the
spot.
Marked
for
public
delegations
and
you'll
see
there's
three
signs
there.
That
say
public
delegations,
though
özkan
özkan
new
boots
at
Pala
row
when
we
call.
C
A
Room
so
when
I
call
a
public
delegation,
I
will
also
announce
the
next
two
names
on
the
list
to
give
them
time
to
make
their
way
to
council
chambers.
When
called
I
ask
that
you
take
a
seat
at
the
table.
Even
if
it's
not
your
turn,
if
you're
one
of
the
three
people
that's
in
line
to
speak,
please
have
a
seat.
There
should
be
enough
chairs
and
there
will
be
once
you
start
your
presentation.
You
will
have
five
minutes
to
finish
on
that.
I
will
make
no
exceptions.
A
Vice
chair,
Tierney
is
gonna,
be
helping
me
with
that.
We
will
advise
you
when
there
was
one
minute
remaining
so
that
you
can
wrap
up
with
any
concluding
remarks
and
again
when
there's
30
seconds
remaining,
because
we
want
to
be
fair
to
everyone.
I
will
be
strict
about
halting
presentations
at
the
5-minute
mark,
come
news
below
at
3:00
a
key
tab,
since
we
want.
A
A
When
you
finish,
your
presentation
to
the
committee
just
remain
seated
and
I
will
ask
my
council
colleagues
if
they
have
any
questions
for
you
before
they
leave
the
table
and
on
this
I
want
to
be
really
clear
to
my
fellow
cons
counselors
on
this
next
point:
I'm
only
going
to
allow
questions
to
a
public
delegation.
If
the
speaker
has
raised
concerns
relating
to
planning
principles,
sure
notaries,
they're
sure
note
I
will.
A
Principles:
sieved
a
memo
from
the
city,
clerk
and
solicitor
earlier
this
month
explaining
the
need
to
restrict
the
scope
of
our
discussion
on
this
file.
We
need
to
remember
that
committees.
Decision
on
this
matter
must
be
based
on
planning
principles
and
not
on
considerations
like
social
housing
policy,
how
well
shelters,
work
or
how
this
facility
might
be
funded
in
the
future
once
it
is
built.
These
concerns
are
outside
the
jurisdiction
of
this
committee
and
are
not
related
to
land
use
planning
principles.
A
Limiting
questions
in
this
way
will
ensure
that
whatever
decision
is
made
by
this
committee
is
based
on
relevant
considerations.
The
dull
bulk
of
the
day
will
be
spent
hearing
from
speakers
about
45
minutes.
Before
the
end
of
the
day,
we
will
help
public
delegations
for
that
day.
I'm
thorough
Karen
thank
Manute
have
on
effect
about.
A
We
circulated
to
all
members
of
council.
You
can
still
sign
up
if
you
haven't
yet
done
so,
but
please
know
that
you
will
be
replaced
at
the
end
of
the
speakers
list
as
a
whole.
Not
the
end
of
today's
speakers
list.
Your
name
will
be
called
an
order.
This
meeting
format
will
be
the
same
for
all
three
days,
except
there
won't
be
a
staff
presentation
every
day.
A
Only
today,
once
we
have
heard
from
all
public
delegations,
there
will
be
one
more
round
of
questions
of
staff,
and
then
we
will
have
our
final
discussion
as
a
committee
before
we
come
to
a
decision
with
respect
to
motions,
I
am
recommending
that
we
use
an
approach
whereby
all
amendments
are
tabled
and
referred
to
Council
with
the
direction
to
staff
that
they
provide
comments
on
the
proposed
amendments
prior
to
council
consideration.
This
is
a
practice
we
have
filed
in
the
past
for
some
of
the
more
larger
files
that
we
have
considered
at
committee.
A
A
A
Affect
the
way
to
have
a
public
discourse,
so
I
will
be
very
strict
on
that.
No
cheering
and
no
booing
I
know
that
some
of
you
in
the
audience
have
probably
never
been
to
a
committee
meeting
before
and
I
know
it
can
be
confusing.
I
hope
this
introduction
helps
make
it
a
bit
clearer
how
we're
going
to
proceed
over
the
next
few
days.
Just
barabar.
C
C
A
Few
days
planning
staff
to
start
their
presentation,
but
before
I
do
I
want
to
introduce
our
Director
of
Planning,
miss
LeAnn
Staten,
who
is
sitting
on
a
Waverly
and
mr.
John
Smith,
who
is
our
director
of
economic
development
and
long-term
planning
long-range
planning,
and
we
also
have
our
legal
staff
under
the
direction
of
our
city
solicitor.
Mr.
Rick
O'connor,
we
have
Samantha
montre,
who
is
our
one
of
our
lawyers
on
this
file.
A
Man,
okay,
Kristina
man,
thank
you
and
then
over
here.
On
this
side
we
have
Aaron
O'connell.
She
is
the
lead
planner
on
the
file
she's
going
to
be
giving
the
presentation
beside
her
is
her
manager,
Doug
James,
who
was
in
charge
of
development
review
for
the
central
area
and
Steve
go
Jay?
Who
is
another
planner?
That's
working
on
this
file
as
well.
So
now
with
that
seriously
before
the
presentation.
C
Madam
chair,
thank
you
for
that
overview
of
the
ground
rules.
Before
we
get
going,
can
I
just
ask
if
colleagues
have
motions
that
are
ready
and
available
to
share
that
they
either
email
them
to
members,
so
we
can
look
at
them
think
about
them.
They
may
be
germane
to
ask
questions
to
some
of
our
delegations,
but
rather
than
wait
to
the
very
end.
A
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
members
of
committee.
What
we
have
before
us
today
is
an
official
plan
and
zoning
bylaw
amendment
for
a
property,
largely
on
Montreal
Road.
What
I
will
be
speaking
to
is
the
process
of
this
application,
the
location,
the
context
what's
being
proposed
before
us
policy
context,
and
why,
ultimately,
our
department
is
recommending
approval.
C
A
D
Certainly,
madam
chair,
the
process
followed
for
this
application
has
been
standard
of
that
for
an
official
plan
and
zoning
bylaw
amendment.
However,
the
city
did
also
provide
and
prepare
a
website
to
direct
information
on
the
applications,
the
process
and
the
timelines.
This
is
a
screenshot
from
the
process
slide.
That
was
a
part
of
that
City
website.
The
project
will
go
to
the
urban
design
review
panel
as
part
of
the
site
plan
control
matters
following
the
decision
from
Planning,
Committee
and
counsel,
so
we're
at
step
7
right
now
in
the
process.
D
The
addresses
for
this
property
include
a
large
parcel
that
has
three
municipal
addresses:
325,
327
and
333
Montreal
Road
a
site
at
273,
seen
an
avenue
is
included
in
the
proposed
development
and,
as
is
part
of
three
three
four
ma.
Fourth
Street.
The
proposal
is
to
sever
off
part
of
the
site,
which
includes
the
existing
Salvation
Army
thrift
store,
resulting
in
the
following
site.
D
The
site
itself
is
located
between
the
Vanier,
Parkway
and
Sandler
on
Boulevard,
it's
adjacent
to
Gabriel's,
Pizza,
to
the
east,
surrounded
by
a
low-rise
residential
area
to
the
north
and
then
surface
parking,
low-rise,
commercial
and
low
to
high-rise
residential
uses
along
Montreal
Road.
The
site
itself
is
about
7,000
square
meters
with
the
thrift
store
property.
It
has
15
meters
of
frontage
on
Montreal
Road
13
metres
on
Saint,
Anne
and
5
metres
on
La
Fleur.
D
D
D
This
is
a
portion
of
the
site
at
3:34
and
mall
4th
Street.
The
portion
of
the
property
from
the
property
line
on
the
left
of
the
screen
to
the
edge
of
the
garage
is
about
7
meters.
The
proposal
includes
demolishing
this
garage
and
using
five
meters
of
this
property
for
access,
as
shown
roughly
by
the
yellow
arrow.
D
This
is
a
proposed
development
before
us
today,
just
to
orient
everyone.
Montreal
Road
is
located
on
the
bottom
left,
st.
Anne
along
the
left
and
top,
and
the
access
to
parking
from
ma4
is
on
the
right
of
the
screen.
The
proposed
development
is
a
residential
care
facility
and
shelter
with
a
total
gross
floor
area
of
six
thousand.
One
hundred
and
fifty
nine
square
meters
801
square
metres
is
for
the
shelter
use
shown
in
yellow
the
buildings
been
designed
in
an
8
shape.
D
With
two
separate
wings
of
three
and
six
storeys
connected
by
a
two-story
communal
area.
Each
wing
has
separate
pedestrian
entrance.
There
are
three
separate
vehicular
accesses
that
are
shown
in
the
yellow
arrows.
The
main
pedestrian
access
is
from
Montreal
Road.
It
permits
vehicular
access
as
well
and
includes
a
limited
amount
of
surface
parking.
The
entrance
for
employee
parking
is
from
ma4
and
the
loading
for
both
the
proposed
development
and
the
thrift
store
is
from
st.
Anne.
D
The
loading
area
flares
out
where
it's
closest
to
the
rear
yard
of
the
adjacent
triplex,
which
has
surface
parking
in
the
rear.
There's
a
total
of
27
parking
spaces
proposed
for
the
employee
parking
area
in
the
rear.
15
parking
spaces
are
located
at
the
front
of
the
property
and
for
off
scene.
In
there's,
a
series
of
outdoor
amenity
areas
proposed
in
the
front
rear
and
southeast
areas.
The
closest
part
of
the
rear,
sunken
terrace
at
the
rear,
is
about
17
meters
or
56
feet
from
the
closest
residential
lot
line.
D
The
belt
form
itself
is
set
back
between
four
and
a
half
and
eight
point:
eight
meters
from
adjacent
property
lines
on
scene
and
Granville,
with
additional
step
backs
for
the
six
story
portion
above
the
second
story,
from
the
rear
property
line
of
homes
on
mom.
For
the
three
story
portion
at
its
closest
is
nine
point.
Eight
meters
and
the
six
story
building
is
between
15
and
20
meters
from
the
property
lines
along
La
Fleur.
The
landscape
plan
also
includes
27
new
trees,
which
are
proposed
largely
around
the
perimeter
of
the
site.
C
C
D
In
our
official
plan,
I'll
now
speak
about
policy
context
on
the
site,
so
in
our
official
plan
this
site
is
designated
as
a
traditional
Main
Street.
The
traditional
Main
Street
designation
speaks
to
a
broad
range
of
uses
permitted.
It
includes
things
like
retail
and
service
commercial
uses,
offices,
residential
and
institutional
uses.
It
also
speaks
to
active,
frontages
and
compact
pedestrian
friendly
development.
D
This
is
one
of
our
target
areas
for
intensification
in
our
official
plan,
there's
a
generally
permitted
use
of
section
or
an
official
plan
that
states
that,
where
the
zoning
bylaw
permits
a
dwelling
in
areas
designated
general
urban
area,
developing
community
central
area,
mixed-use
center
and
village,
the
bylaw
will
also
permit
shelter,
accommodation,
shelter,
accommodations
shall
be
designed
in
a
manner
compatible
with
the
general
area.
The
zoning
bylaw
may
include
provisions
to
regulate
the
size
and
location
of
this
use.
D
This
section
in
our
official
plan
is
prefaced
by
certain
land
uses
are
considered
to
be
characteristic
and
supportive
of
the
daily
life
and
functioning
of
the
community
for
convenience.
These
uses
have
been
grouped
as
generally
permitted
uses.
These
uses
will
be
permitted
within
all
land
use
designations.
Subject
to
the
policies
set
up
below
and
in
other
applicable
sections
of
this
plan,
there
is
not
direction
specifically
to
prohibit
this
use.
D
This
is
our
land
map
for
the
Official
Plan
amendment
before
us
today.
The
amendment
is
to
permit
shelter
located
in
a
specific
area
outlined
specific
for
our
official
plan
amendment
we're
recommending
this,
because
this
is
a
mixed-use
pedestrian
oriented
development
within
a
traditional
Main
Street
designation
in
our
Official
Plan,
which
permits
a
broad
range
of
uses.
The
cute
there
are
community
serving
uses
on
the
site.
A
strong
pedestrian
entrance
is
included
to
activate
the
site
and
the
built
form
has
been
designed
to
be
compatible
with
the
surrounding
low-rise
community.
D
It
fits
with
the
broad
range
of
uses
permitted
and
a
shelter
is
compatible
with
the
remainder
of
the
complex.
The
criteria
found
in
four
point
eleven
and
two
point
five
point:
one
of
our
official
plan
have
been
reviewed.
The
scale
and
massing
of
the
building
transition
and
use
are
all
part
of
the
zoning
and
Official
Plan
amendments
issues
associated
with
noise,
light
parking
and
access,
microclimatic
conditions
and
architectural
elements
are
also
part
of
our
view.
Our
review
but
more
applicable
to
site
plan
control
process.
D
In
the
Montreal
Road
district
secondary
plan,
this
site
is
designated
as
part
of
the
central
sector.
There
are
policies
in
the
Montreal
Road
district
secondary
plan
that
speak
to
development,
including
building,
site
design
and
streetscaping
elements
which
acknowledge
the
history
of
the
French
Quarter.
Adequate
setbacks
in
transition
to
adjacent
low-rise
uses
are
also
stated.
D
The
Montreal
Road
district
secondary
plan
does
not
permit
surface
parking
lots
in
this
area.
We
had
recommended
an
amendment
regarding
surface
parking.
It's
because
the
majority
of
the
parking
is
located
at
the
rear
of
the
property
where
the
parking
has
been
located
in
the
front.
It's
been
limited
to
13
meters,
back
from
the
front
property
line
and
buffered
by
a
potential
landscaped
area.
F
D
With
regard
to
the
zoning,
the
subject
properties
are
zone,
traditional
Main,
Street,
sub-zone
3,
with
a
height
limit
of
42
meters
and
residential
fourth
density
sub
zone
II.
The
main
portion
of
the
property
is
zoned,
traditional
Main
Street
and
the
properties
on
st.
Anne
and
MA
for
our
designated
residential
fourth
density
for
the
traditional
Main
Street
zone.
The
purpose
is
to
include
a
broad
range
of
uses,
including
residential
and
institutional
uses,
and
that
Street
continuity,
scale
and
character
is
maintained.
D
The
uses
are
compatible
and
that
they
complement
the
surrounding
area
with
respect
to
uses
they're
permitted
for
this
uses
for
this
zone.
Right
now
include
residential
care
facility,
community
center
Community,
Health
and
Resource
Center
emergency
services,
instructional
facility
medical
facility,
place
of
worship,
a
hotel,
a
funeral
home
recording
studio
and
residential
dwelling
units
and
rooming
units.
If
they're
in
a
building
with
non
residential
uses,.
D
For
the
zoning
details
of
the
highlighted
cells
on
the
screens
are
what
is
being
Rebecca
recommended
for
an
amendment
like
to
point
out
that
the
height
is
less
than
what's
permitted
in
this
existing
zone
and
the
setbacks
are
all
increased
from
the
minimum
required
in
the
zoning
bylaw
for
the
change
to
the
maximum
front
yard
setback.
We've
deemed
this
acceptable
because
it's
a
limited
amount
of
frontage
and
it's
appropriate
to
setback
greater
than
2
metres,
so
pedestrian
activity
does
not
impede
the
right-of-way.
D
The
Official
Plan
also
speaks
to
two
situations
where
development
does
not
occupy
the
entire
frontage
of
the
site
that
this
site
should
be
clamped
planned
in
a
coordinated
fashion,
with
measures
to
relieve
the
visual
impact
of
surface
parking,
which
we
feel
has
been
accomplished
through
setting
back
that
parking,
13
meters
from
the
front
law
line
for
the
parking
reduction,
that's
being
proposed
for
amendment.
The
current
boost
center
facility
has
less
parking
than
what's
proposed
here.
There
will
be
a
maximum
number
of
staff
on-site
at
any
one
time.
D
This
is
a
zoning
key
plan
which
forms
part
of
our
recommendation
in
area
a
we're
proposing
to
rezone
to
permit
the
shelter
use
area
B
we're
recommending
a
rezoning
to
consolidate
with
areas
a
but
for
that
area.
We've
retained
the
height
limit
of
11
meters
to
be
consistent
with
the
adjacent
residential
properties
for
area
C,
which
is
the
access
off
mall
for
we're,
retaining
the
existing
residential
zoning,
but
permitting
recommending
an
exception
to
allow
for
access
to
the
site
with
area
D,
which
is
the
existing
Salvation.
D
Army
thrift
store
we're
recommending
a
rezoning
to
permit
the
loading
zone,
but
not
to
permit
a
shelter
use
at
that
specific
location.
What
is
before
us
today
from
a
zoning
perspective,
is
largely
the
shelter
use,
the
parking
reduction
and
location
and
the
change
to
the
front
yard
setback.
All
the
other
provisions
included
in
the
zoning
details
are
details
of
the
proposed
design.
D
We
are
recommending
this
because
this
is
a
mixed-use
pedestrian
oriented
development
in
a
traditional
Main
Street
designation,
which
permits
a
broad
range
of
uses.
The
complex
fits
with
the
broad
range
of
uses
permitted
and
the
shelter
is
compatible
with
the
remainder.
The
commute
there
are
community
serving
uses
on
site,
a
strong
pedestrian
entrance,
and
the
built
forum
has
been
designed
to
be
compatible
with
the
surrounding
low-rise
community
Criterion.
Our
official
plan
have
been
reviewed.
The
scale
and
the
massing
building
transition
and
use
are
part
of
that.
D
Zoning
and
official
plan
amendment
review
again,
if
she's
associated
with
things
like
noise
light
parking
access,
micro,
climatic
conditions
and
architectural
elements
were
also
part
of
our
review,
but
more
applicable
to
the
site
plan
control
process.
The
build
form
also
includes
setbacks
and
step
backs
from
adjacent
properties
that
exist
along
Montrell
Road,
which
won't
limit
the
built
form
potential
for
sites
along
Montreal
road
to
develop
into
the
future.
D
This
slide
shows
the
distribution
of
uses
within
the
proposed
facility.
The
portion
of
the
shelter
in
the
greater
facility
is
shown
at
red
at
the
rear
of
the
six
storey
portion
and
again
totals
801
square
metres
of
the
total
six
thousand.
One
hundred
and
fifty
nine
square
metre
complex,
we've
recommended
in
new
zoning
details
a
cap
in
the
zoning
of
nine
hundred
square
meters
for
the
shelter
use
to
provide
a
minimal
amount
of
flexibility.
D
I'd
now
like
to
speak
a
little
bit
to
section
134
of
our
zoning
bylaw,
which
is
specific
to
shelter
accommodations
in
section
134,
there's
provision
which
limits
the
number
of
shelters
in
more
twelve
to
four.
There
are
four
shelters
in
Ward
12.
Currently
that
were
recognized
in
the
2008
report.
Where
council
approved
recommendations,
the
intention
of
this
project
is
to
close
the
Salvation
Army
boo,
Center
and
relocate
to
this
site.
D
If
this
subject
proposal
is
approved,
there
will
be
four
shelters
in
Ward
12
we've
reviewed
facilities
that
have
been
identified
to
us
to
determine
what
zoning
definition
is
applicable.
In
all
cases,
the
other
sites
are
community
health
and
resource
centers,
hotel
group
homes
or
residential
care
facilities
under
the
zoning
bylaw
definition,
these
other
facilities
that
have
been
identified.
They
did
exist
in
2008
when
the
cap
was
put
in
place
and
they
were
not
deemed
to
be
shelters
at
that
time.
D
In
conclusion,
madam
chair
and
members
of
committee,
this
is
a
relocation
of
an
existing
facility
from
an
area
with
a
high
concentration
of
shelters
under
our
zoning
bylaw
to
a
site
with
compatible
and
permitted
land
uses
within
the
same
building.
The
built
form
has
been
designed
to
mitigate
land-use
impacts
and
to
allow
space
for
Montreal
Road
to
continue
to
develop.
As
intended.
We
review
the
applications
for
official
plan
and
zoning
amendments
and
conclude
that
they
are
appropriate
for
the
site
and
as
such
we
are
recommending
approval.
C
F
F
The
site
specific
rezoning
being
requested
addresses
the
relocation
of
an
existing
shelter
and
is
not
related
to
a
new
shelter.
Therefore,
there
is
no
impact
on
the
shelter
camp
established
for
Ward
12
in
the
city's
comprehensive
zoning
bylaw
2008
250,
the
Planning
Committee
is
responsible
for
overseeing
all
development
and
planning
within
the
urban
boundary,
in
accordance
with
the
city's
official
plan
document,
including
zoning
designations,
Community
Planning
site
design
requirements
and
affordable
housing.
F
The
planning
committee
is
responsible
for
evaluating
planning
applications
under
the
applicable
planning
policies,
specifically
the
provincial
policy
statement,
the
official
plan
and
the
zoning
bylaw.
The
jurisdiction
of
this
committee
is
limited
planning.
As
with
all
other
considerations,
the
considerations
that
are
not
linked
to
the
use
to
land
use
should
not
inform
the
decisions
of
the
committee
or
for
the
council.
F
G
A
G
A
A
Not
using
a
mic
and
you're,
not
an
in-order
anymore,
so
I'm
going
to
go
to
the
first
three
people
and
ask
them
to
come
forward.
Please.
First
one
is
andrew.
Lumsden
you'll
be
the
first
speaker
Andrew.
If
you
could
take
a
seat,
Ben
Gianni
or
are
you
here,
Ben
you're,
a
second
and
Suzanne
looking
Suzanne?
Are
you
here,
no
see
so
take
your
seats.
Vice
chair
tyranny,.
C
A
A
H
H
Most
of
them
were
pretty
articulate
and
intelligent
and,
of
course,
very
well-informed
on
the
system.
I
tried
to
persuade
them
to
sign
up
and
come
and
speak
to
you
today,
but
I
didn't
succeed.
I
got
as
far
as
coaxing
one
into
accompanying
me
here
today
to
help
me
out.
If
there
were
any
questions,
but
at
the
last
minute
he
said
he
had
to
go
off
and
get
some
drug
treatment.
So
so
he's
not
here
today,
so
I
presume
to
talk
on
behalf
of
them
and
perhaps
give
you
some
inside
information
from
their
point
of
view.
H
H
H
The
booth
century
turns
out
has
not
consulted
with
them
at
all.
Regarding
the
move
to
venue,
many
most
have
no
knowledge
at
all
of
the
proposed
move.
The
booth
center
doesn't
even
have
a
residence
committee
which
are
quite
common
among
shelters
across
the
country
when
I
asked
them
what
life
was
like,
they
said.
Well,
it
really
is
it's
not
a
shelter,
it's
more
like
a
prison
and
they
should
know
two
of
them
have
been
in
and
out
of.
H
For
example,
they
take,
they
administer
random,
urine
tests
and
if
they
don't
pass,
they
literally
get
thrown
out
in
the
street
without,
and
this
is
their
story
anyway,
even
if
it
might
be
minus
30
degrees
they're
out
on
their
ear
on
the
street,
and
my
final
point
is
to
bring
to
your
attention.
You
know
if
you're
not
aware
of
it,
how
they
financially
get
by
the
majority,
was
received
an
allowance
on
the
city's
social
assistance
program
or
ODSP,
the
Ontario
Disability
Support
Program,
others,
others
are
on
workman's
compensation
or
some
form
of
disability
insurance.
A
A
I
And
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak.
My
name
is
Benjamin
Johnny
I'm,
a
professor
and
former
director
of
the
School
of
Architecture
at
Carleton
University,
where
I
now
coordinate
the
urbanism
program
in
the
course
of
the
work
that
I
do
at
the
University
I
work
regularly
with
city
planning
staff,
with
ward
councillors,
community
representatives,
architects,
professional
planners
and
many
of
Architects,
sorry
Ottawa's,
key
developers,
city
building
is
my
business
and
I
know.
The
lay
of
the
land.
I
Venya
is
also
my
turf.
I've
lived
in
the
community
for
close
to
two
decades.
Each
morning,
I
wait
for
the
bus
on
the
corner
of
Montreal,
Road
and
Mari
a
the
issue
before
the
Planning
Committee
is
whether
a
site-specific
exception
should
be
made
to
permit
a
shelter
at
3:33.
Montreal
Road.
Both
the
location
and
the
scale
of
the
facility
have
been
a
matter
of
great
debate,
as
has
the
organization's
service
delivery
model.
I
I'm
here
to
argue
in
favor
of
the
Official
Plan,
namely
that
the
facility
proposed
by
the
Salvation
Army
does
not
belong
on
Montreal
Road
or
on
any
of
our
Ottawa's.
Traditional
Main
streets.
According
to
the
Official,
Plan,
shelters
are
permitted
anywhere
in
the
general
area
that
residential
uses
are
permitted,
notwithstanding,
whatever
other
zoning
provisions
might
apply,
and
although
they
crisscross
the
general
urban
area,
the
Official
Plan
treats
traditional
main
streets
differently,
based
on
the
unique
and
important
role
they
play
in.
I
The
communities
that
have
formed
around
them
uses
on
these
streets
are
intended
to
support
what
the
opie
calls
quote.
An
essential
community
focus
unquote
and
must
quote
minimise
disruption
in
existing
stable,
neighborhoods.
Unquote.
The
Vanier
community
has
argued
that
the
Salvation
Army's
proposed
facility
will
do
neither
indeed
there's
broad
consensus
that
the
facility
will
further
disrupt
and
erode
the
stability
of
a
struggling
neighborhood
I
want
to
emphasize
that
to
not
permit
a
shelter
on
a
traditional
Main
Street
can
in
no
way
be
considered
a
hardship.
I
The
land
abutting
main
streets
constitutes
an
infinitesimally
small
percentage
of
the
land
available
in
the
general
urban
area.
By
proposing
a
shelter
at
333,
Montreal
Road,
the
Salvation
Army
is
in
effect
implying
that
there
are
no
sites
in
the
general
urban
area
that
are
suitable
for
shelters.
I
strongly
contest
this.
The
Salvation
Army
has
not
demonstrated
that
suitable
sites
do
not
exist
elsewhere,
and
due
diligence
has
not
been
done
by
requesting
an
exception.
I
The
Salvation
Army
is
in
effect
claiming
that
their
proposed
site
at
333,
Montreal
Road,
is
exceptional
or,
in
other
words,
is
an
exceptionally
good
site
for
a
facility
of
this
kind.
Again,
I
would
argue
that
the
Salvation
Army
has
in
no
way
demonstrated
this,
and
this
raises
what
I
consider
to
be
the
most
important
issue,
namely
the
very
limited
scope
of
the
Salvation
Army's
site
selection
criteria,
which
makes
no
mention
of
neighbourhood
impact
not
to
consider
how
a
facility
of
this
scale
and
this
nature
might
affect.
The
host
community
is
beyond
irresponsible.
It's
downright
negligent.
I
This
quote-unquote
oversight
is
especially
egregious
considering
the
core
values
of
the
Salvation
Army.
They
should
be
held
accountable,
given
the
inevitable
impact
on
the
community
and
the
a
significant
amount
of
municipal
funds
that
will
underpin
the
operation
of
the
proposed
facility.
I
would
argue
that
both
the
city
and
the
Salvation
Army
should
be
held
to
a
higher
standard.
Both
the
Planning
Committee
and
the
council
as
a
whole
must
consider
the
full
range
of
issues
and
implications
involved.
I
These
include
the
impact
of
the
proposed
of
size
and
service
delivery
model
of
the
facility
on
the
surrounding
community
and
fortunately,
there's
strong
evidence
to
suggest
that
the
Ontario
Municipal
Board
would
agree
with
this
assessment.
Venya
is
without
question.
A
supportive
community
to
brush
off
its
concerns
as
NIMBYism
would
be
disingenuous,
to
say
the
least
minute.
But
while
the
community
supports
the
Salvation
Army's
move
to
a
more
suitable
facility,
there
is
no
evidence
to
support
that
3
3
3
Montreal
Road,
is
the
best
of
all
possible
alternative
sites.
A
G
I
C
G
I
This
is
a
case
that
became
and
it
came
before
the
OMB
in
2004,
a
shelter
provider
was
turned
down
and
appealed
the
the
issue
to
the
OMB.
The
OMB
was
very
clear
in
that
decision
that
indeed
it
went
beyond
strict
planning
issues
and
really
considered
the
impact
of
the
use
and
the
scale
of
the
use
on
the
community.
Ultimately,
the
OMB
upheld
the
city
of
Toronto's
decision
to
turn
down
the
shelter
use
and.
G
You've
done
a
lot
of
work.
We,
the
committee
you
were
working
with,
did,
did
a
review
of
the
exact
site
selection
criteria,
as
identified
by
the
Salvation
Army
you've
identified
thirty-two
sites,
which
you
spoke
to
demonstrated
that
they
didn't
do
their
research.
Could
you
talk
about
some
of
those
sites?
And,
and
what
was
you
know-
we're
not
trying
to
push
this
issue
into
another
community?
And
that
was
clear,
but
it
was
a
demonstration
that
they
didn't
do
their
homework,
and
maybe
you
can.
A
Discussion,
okay,
I
mean
we're
talking
he's
not
the
person
making
the
application.
We
do
have
an
application
before
us.
It's
it's,
not
an
application
that
says
hey
find
out.
If
you
can
find
me
another
spot,
that's
better,
so
that
question
I
think
is
out
of
line.
Do
you
have
anything
else
for
him?
Well,.
A
A
J
Thank
you
very
much.
Miss
Jenny
you've
noted
that
the
they
don't
belong
on
traditional
Main
streets.
The
Salvation
Army
has
not
taken
into
account.
Neighborhood
impact
can
I
just
ask
you:
what
do
you
feel
that
neighborhood
impact
is
going
to
be
I?
Think
that's
going
to
be
critical
for
those
of
us
who
may
be
uncomfortable
with
the
notion
of
putting
one
of
these
on
a
traditional
mainstream.
I
My
own
opinions
I
look
to
the
Official,
Plan
and
I,
look
at
what
the
terms
of
reference
for
traditional
Main
streets
are
set
by
the
official
plan.
I
quoted
a
few
of
them,
which
would
be
essential
community
focus
and
uses
which
minimize
disruption
in
existing,
stable,
neighborhoods
and
I
would
argue
that
it
would
be
very
hard
to
argue
that
this
is
a
community
focused
use
unless
you
have
a
very
limited
idea
of
what
the
many
community
is
or
that,
indeed,
it
would
provide
minimum
disruption.
I
I
think
the
community
has
been
arguing
all
along
that,
in
fact,
the
level
of
disruption
would
be
quite
severe
and
then
I
would
also
refer
to
the
Official
Plan,
which
talks
about
established
neighborhoods
and
the
impact
of
these
facilities
on
established.
Neighborhoods
I
believe
that
there
are
sites
in
Ottawa
around
which
a
community
could
develop
around
a
facility
like
this,
which
are
not
established.
Neighborhoods
lots
of
areas
in
the
Tod
areas
designated
for
Tod
development,
for
instance,
would
be
excellent
sites
for
consideration
for
a
shelter
of
this
kind.
A
I
J
I
There
will
be
lots
of
people
to
speak
to
this
issue
I'm
by
no
means
the
expert,
but
the
Salvation
Army
has
very
strict
rules
about
who
can
and
can't
spend
time
in
the
facility
during
the
day,
and
therefore
there
is
very
strong
reason
to
believe
that
many
of
the
the
users
and
clients
of
the
facility
will
be
out
on
the
streets
during
the
day
and
that
for,
for
instance,
would
have
a
negative
impact
on
business.
Businesses
in
the
community.
J
J
C
I
The
I,
don't,
unfortunately,
I
didn't
bring
them
and
I,
don't
have
them
in
front
of
me.
It
had
to
do
with
being
in
close
proximity
to
services.
It
had
to
do
with
being
within
a
30
minute
radius
of
the
existing
booth
center.
It
had
to
do
with
having
access
to
transport,
and
there
were
a
few
others
had
to
do
with
being
1.8
acres
when
we
looked
at
before,
I
could
come
here
and
make
a
claim
that
that
no
no
no
case
has
been
made
that
this
is
an
exceptional
site.
I
H
A
K
Grandmother
and
a
nurse
and
when
the
Salvation
Army
announced
the
proposed
and
I
took
some
time
this
summer
to
walk
around
bike
around
the
neighborhood
and
talk
to
our
community.
These
are
the
women,
families
and
children
as
well
since
the
Salvation
Army
plan
to
build
a
very
large
institution
for
high-risk
man
and
also
their
friends
in
our
on
our
Main
Street.
The
community
has
voiced
many
concerns,
so
women
and
families
are
very
scared
and
the
sex
worker
in
Montreal
Road
are
absolutely
petrified.
K
Both
the
City
of
Ottawa
and
the
Salvation
Army
have
failed
to
recognize
respond
to
the
negative
impact
the
development
will
have
on
a
vulnerable
community.
The
city
has
a
responsibility
to
conduct
a
comprehensive
social
impact
assessment
to
address
both
the
social
and
security
Vanier
is
a
very
poor
community
and
is
coping
with
significant
social
and
health
and
security
and
economic
issues.
K
K
The
50%
of
the
children
who
are
in
kindergarten
are
vastly
disadvantaged
are
not
school
ready,
66%
of
family
with
children
in
Vanier
live
in
small
apartment.
They
have
no
place
to
play
the
children
play
in
the
alleys
they're
playing
the
street
and
they
play
in
front
of
their
home
or
on
the
sidewalk.
We
have
a
very
high
rate
of
teenage
pregnancy
10%
vs.
2%
in
Ottawa
we
have
four
elementary
school
within
less
than
a
kilometre
of
the
proposed
site.
K
The
Salvation
Army
has
invested
in
a
high
security
institution
providing
safety
and
privacy
for
their
clients
in
their
employees.
Us
recognizing
high
risk
dangerous
environment,
yet
neither
the
Salvation,
Army
or
the
city
takes
responsibility
when
the
clients
are
outside
their.
The
boundaries
of
property
boundaries
resident
will
be
consuming
outside
alcohol
and
drugs
they're
not
allowed
to
consume
on
the
sites.
There's
no
armed
reduction
program,
the
Salvation
Army
on
boot
Street,
has
consistently
been
the
top-five
location
requiring
police
intervention.
K
There's
been
two
police
audit
in
October
to
16
that
demonstrated
the
prevalence
of
criminal
activity
and
Israeli
public
behavior
within
that
site.
Many
legal
activities
identified
within
the
vicinity
are
prepared
perpetrated
by
resident
and
non-resident
that's
a
big
factor.
It
is
also
a
lot
of
non-resident
coming
to
the
facility.
K
Will
there
be
more
intoxicated
men
in
vagrancy
in
our
Park?
Will
there
be
more
broken
bottles
needles
where
children
play?
What
about
the
fentanyl
crisis?
Will
there
be
bigger,
larger
gathering
loitering
an
individual
in
our
street?
Will
there
be
more
sexual
harassment,
exploitation
of
women
and
teens
on
Montreal
Road?
We
are
deeply
concerned
about
the
negative
and
security
impact
unsafe,
neighborhood
children
don't
play
outside
and
they
don't
take
part
in
activity
at
school.
Children
are
will
be
sedentary
watch
television
become
overweight.
K
The
community
has
worked
hard
in
recent
year
to
improve
the
cultural,
social
income
neck
landscape.
The
city
has
invested
in
positive
programs
like
the
vani
social
pediatric
hub.
The
sense
of
Hope
has
attracted
young
family.
There
is
more
empowerment
and
engaged
in
our
community.
The
implementation
of
the
proposed
would
have
a
powerful
and
destructive
impact
for
venue
for
generation
to
come.
Please
ensure
the
city
conducts
a
social
impact
assessment.
Thank
you.
A
L
How
our
seniors
gonna
be
affected.
What
is
it
going
to
be?
Their
impact?
Senior
citizens
represent
a
substantive
demographic
and
dan-yi
seniors
represent
twenty
seven
point:
five
percent
of
ami
residents,
high
proportion
of
them
there's
a
higher
proportion
of
seniors
in
menu
than
in
other
sectors
of
the
city.
Eighty-Five
percent
of
seniors
live
alone
compared
to
26
percent
citywide.
L
L
Seniors
are
especially
susceptible
to
aggressive
nature
of
the
servation
armies
coins,
as
demonstrated
at
the
current
starvation
army
location
due
to
the
lack
of
consultation
and
social
impact,
assessment
seniors
will
be
placed
at
greater
risk
of
crime
and
violence.
The
proposal
is
already
creating
fears
among
seniors.
L
If
the
proposal
is
allowed
to
move
forward,
it
is
expected
to
create
a
greater
fear
and
intimidation
of
seniors,
especially
at
risk
senior
women
and
those
shopping
and
walking
on
Monterey
Road.
The
use
of
the
land
will
affect
their
physical,
psychological,
spiritual,
financial
well-being
and
their
quality
of
life
in
venue.
C
The
impact
on
the
French
community,
The
Salvation
Army
Mokpo
vu
with
their
director,
said
that
40
percent
of
employees
are
bilingual
only
and
there's
going
to
be
around
40
percent
of
services
that
girl
are
going
to
be
bilingual
and
this
in
the
French
community.
The
linguistic
rights
will
also
again
be
tampered
with.
We've
no
known.
L
L
M
A
N
Does
not
meet
the
objectives
of
the
policy
statement
and
the
city
plan
as
they
pertain
to
traditional
Main
streets
and
building
healthy,
sustainable
communities.
Main
streets
are
integral
for
driving
the
local
economy
and
creating
a
healthy,
vibrant
community
around
it.
Downtown's
create
a
critical
mass
of
activities
where
commercial,
cultural
and
civic
activities
are
concentrated,
facilitating
business
learning
and
cultural
exchange.
The
Main
Street
is
the
heart
of
a
neighborhood.
N
A
healthy
heart
is
a
healthy
community,
and
this
is
critical
because
dealing
with
homelessness
begins
with
prevention,
I'm
lucky
to
speak
to
you,
because
I
wasn't
supposed
to
make
it.
I
grew
up
with
the
teenaged
mother
who
dropped
out
of
high
school
and
disabled
father,
who
couldn't
give
us
a
child
support.
Kids,
like
me,
usually
become
one
of
these
statistics.
Growing
up
in
poverty
impacts
your
health,
mental
and
physical
for
adults
and
kids.
N
Unlike
most
kids
from
my
neighborhood
I
got
out,
my
mother
had
the
foresight
to
put
me
in
a
French
immersion
program
outside
my
catchment
area.
The
result
was
I
had
role
models
from
outside
my
socio-economic
group
in
my
neighborhood
I
watched
adults
struggling
to
balance,
parenting
with
addictions,
child
abuse
and
many
other
antisocial
activities
at
school.
I
met
payers
who
gave
me
a
sense
for
what
family
life
could
be
normalized,
routines
and
peers
who
valued
education.
Later,
my
city
created
its
first
mixed
income
development
and
we
moved
in.
N
N
These
things
help
me
break
out
of
multi-generational
poverty.
I
use
this
chance
to
focus
my
masters
on
how
we
change
interventions
and
create
better
outcomes
for
low-income
youth,
eirick
six
years
worth
abused
and
traumatized
Children's
Aid
Awards
in
residential
treatment,
a
population
who
has
adults
comprised
40%
of
people
experiencing
homelessness.
So
I
speak
to
you
from
personal
educational
and
professional
experience.
N
If
Montreal
Road
develops
a
diversity
of
restaurants,
shops
and
cultural
venues,
Vanier
blossoms
into
a
community
where
all
people
see
themselves
living,
not
only
poor
ones,
if
we
diversify
the
economic
landscape,
we
build
a
market
driven
approach
to
mitigating
the
ill
effects
of
poverty
and
interrupts
interrupts
its
cycle
in
the
next
generation.
Hintonburg
is
a
great
example
of
neighborhood
growth
driven
by
a
Main
Street
evidence
shows
to
pull
child
out
of
poverty.
Sometimes
all
you
need
is
wine.
N
Healthy,
positive
role,
model
encourage
development,
so
all
people
income
levels
irrespective
see
themselves
belonging
and
you
create
that
mixed
income
community
and
provide
a
natural
intervention
for
poverty,
the
cost
of
city,
nothing
and
saves
it
for
paying
for
future
services.
Evidence
also
proves
moving.
Shelters
out
to
distressed
neighborhoods
is
better
for
shelter,
users,
the
applicant
and
city
staff
had
said
the
development
will
not
interfere
with
material
development,
because
the
emergency
shelter
is
a
small
percent
of
the
land's
use.
However,
a
hundred
and
forty
of
350
beds
is
actually
about
40
percent
of
the
development.
N
Secondly,
classifying
the
non-emergency
shelter
beds
as
a
residential
care
facilities
erroneous.
This
is
not
a
population
who
requires
residential
care
and
evidence,
show
they
do
better
when
they
live
on
their
own.
This
development
is
actually
a
350
bed,
shelter,
it's
erroneous
by
the
author
to
state
that
the
development
will
minimally
impact
the
main
street.
N
The
applicant
claims
that
the
property
lines
allow
for
regular
development
realistically
concentrating
Social
Services
inhibits
growth.
These
are
two
main
streets.
Two
kilometers
apart
bordering
the
same
community,
one
has
no
social
services.
The
other
has
15,
including
for
addiction,
treatment
or
methadone
clinics,
adding
another
giant
service
to
the
community
stigmatized
as
the
community
from
commercial
investment.
I
personally
cancelled
my
plan
to
move
my
business
into
the
area
after
the
announcement
was
made
worrying
that
the
stigma
would
affect
client
choice
to
take
my
services.
Ironically,
modern
urban
planning
arose
to
address
inequalities
in
poverty.
N
We've
escaped
these
roots,
somehow
focusing
solely
on
built
forms.
If
you
in
the
slightest
at
the
supposition
that
property
design
will
protect
the
economic
development
from
the
effects
of
concentrating
social
services,
respect
the
city
plans,
admission
of
shelters
as
permitted
uses
on
traditional
Main
streets
and
vote
against
this
help
us
prevent
homelessness
and
help
us
help.
People
escape
Holman
says
faster
one
minute.
If
counsel
proceeds
to
place
the
shelter
on
the
Main
Street,
it
reads
as
a
consideration.
N
A
J
Planning
committee
chair
vice
chair
members
and
councillors-
I
am
here
today
to
speak
about
the
fact
that
much
railroad
will
not
develop
in
a
manner
that
meets
the
intention
of
the
traditional
Main
Street
designation.
If
you
choose
to
approve
the
Salvation
Army's
application
for
3
3
3
Montreal
Road,
this
contradicts
the
unfounded
assertion
made
in
the
Planning
Department
recommendations
and
the
deeply
flawed
economic
benefits
study
produced
at
the
Salvation
Army's
request.
I
believe
the
evidence
shows
that
this
development
will
stunt,
if
not
reverse
the
revitalization
of
montreal
road
and
vania.
More
broadly.
J
Common
sense
tells
you
that
when
a
large
and
concentrated
institutional
use
is
added
to
a
traditional
Main
Street
that
has
a
pre-existing
high
concentration
of
Social
Services.
This
leads
to
economic
decline
as
opposed
to
development
in
regard
to
shelters,
specifically,
their
concentration
leads
to
a
concentration
of
illegal
behaviors,
particularly
drug
use
and
trafficking.
J
To
quote
the
2008
interim
Control
bylaw
study
quote
these
acts
result
in
negative
impacts,
worsening
the
health
and
safety
of
both
the
homeless
and
at-risk,
as
well
as
increased
safety
concerns
amongst
the
residents,
particularly
in
communal
areas
such
as
streets,
sidewalks
stores
parks
and
schools.
Unquote.
Indeed,
this
was
part
of
the
rationale
laid
out
in
the
2008
interim
bylaw
control
study,
which
ultimately
led
to
the
cap
on
the
number
of
shelters
in
Ward
12
and
a
restriction
on
the
distance
between
shelters
to
500
meters.
J
Importantly,
these
are
among
the
restrictions
that
the
applicant
and
planning
staff
are
looking
for.
You
to
amend,
City
of
Ottawa
planning
staff
will
assert
that
these
community
impacts
are
beyond
the
scope
of
planning
process.
However,
on
appeal
to
the
city
of
toronto,
municipal
shelter,
bylaw,
the
Ontario
Municipal
Board
ruled
in
2004.
That
quote,
the
board
makes
a
determination
as
to
whether
the
neighbourhood
is
an
appropriate
type,
probably
one
for
the
type
of
use
and
whether
the
use
is
one
which
will
either
not
adversely
impact
the
neighbourhood,
or
only
do
someone
admit
to
a
minimal
extent.
J
J
The
economic
and
social
impacts
on
the
community
are
particularly
relevant
to
Vanier.
In
a
2008
report
submitted
to
the
community
and
Protective
Services
Committee
entitled
criteria
for
fair
distribution
and
distribution
of
social
housing
and
services,
then
more
12,
councillor,
George
Bedard,
writes
quote.
Studies
also
show
that
adding
homelessness
service
locations
has
negative
effects
that
are
particularly
severe
in
distressed
neighborhoods.
Those
with
low
income
or
high
density.
Adding
a
single
service
location
in
a
distressed
neighborhood
has
substantial
negative
impact,
600
metres
away
well
in
better-off
neighborhoods.
J
The
impact
is
neutral
or
positive
if
six
or
fewer
sites
are
present
within
150
metres.
The
social
consequences
of
poverty
are
not
linear,
that
is
to
say
the
impact
of
adding
poor
or
homeless.
People
in
an
area
depends
on
the
concentration
of
those
who
are
already
in
the
air.
Unquote.
I
think
it
goes
without
saying
that
Vanier
is
a
distressed
neighborhood
with
among
the
highest
concentrations
of
social
services
and
crime
of
any
neighborhood
in
the
city
of
Ottawa.
According
to
the
Ottawa
neighborhood
study,
30%
of
any
children
live
in
poverty,
roughly
double
the
Ottawa
average.
J
Meanwhile,
nearly
one
in
four
vania
children
scores
in
the
lowest
10%
for
school
readiness
related
to
cognitive
and
language
development,
almost
four
times
the
Ottawa
average.
For
these
reasons,
and
many
more
vania
could
reasonably
be
considered
a
distressed
neighborhood
and
as
such,
adding
homelessness
service
locations
in
vania
could
be
expected
to
have
disproportionately
negative
impacts
on
this
already
struggling
community.
J
In
contrast,
downtown's
redevelop
through
what
are
known
as
Smart
Growth
principles.
Accordingly,
downtown
revitalization
begins
with
community
consultations,
for
example
the
Montreal
Road
district
secondary
plan.
The
main
street
should
allow
for
a
mix
of
retail
uses
that
creates
an
identity
that
makes
people
want
to
live
there
and
visit
and
should
have
an
attractive
and
walkable
streetscape
that
must
not
only
be
safe,
but
must
also
feel
safe
and
needs
to
be
tidy
and
free
of
crime
and
associated
dangers.
J
However,
the
proposed
Salvation
Army
facility
at
333,
Montreal
Road,
reflects
none
of
these
principles
and
best
practices.
Instead
of
supporting
a
diversity
of
economic
uses,
it
will
lead
to
further
concentration
of
an
institutional
use
that
has
associated
with
drug
trafficking
and
consumption,
as
well
as
other
illicit
activities,
as
was
pointed
out
in
the
aforementioned
2008
reports
with
that,
I
would
like
to
thank
you
for
your
time
and
we'll
be
happy
to
take
any
questions.
J
G
Because
don't
Randall
a
I
have
a
few
questions
relating
to
the
current
you're,
an
economist
you,
you
live
in
the
neighborhood.
What
do
you
see
in
terms
of
the
economic
development
along
which
railroad
and
more
specifically,
the
land
uses
that
are
permitted
for
its
for
its
its
development
and
its
to
allow
it
to
thrive?
Well,.
J
I
think
the
reason
was
made
very,
very
clear
in
the
the
2008
interim
controlled
by
law
that
the
rationale
for
restricting
the
use
of
shelters
in
the
capital
Mort
was
the
cap
on
the
number
of
were
12
and
the
distance
between
them
was
because
of
the
activities
that
were
created.
The
concerns
that
came
from
the
community,
as
well
as
as
well
as
economic
impacts,
so
I
think
that
I
think
it
goes
without
saying
that
the
impact
is
going
to
be
an
adverse.
G
J
Since
we
moved
there
about
five
and
a
half
years
ago,
we've
seen
an
improvement
in
the
so
in
the
mix
of
business
offerings
that
are
there,
the
the
quality
of
business
offerings
that
are
there,
and
that's
certainly
something
that
attracted
us
to
actually
move
back
from
Toronto
to
return
to
Vanier,
where
we
still
in
our
home,
because
the
neighborhood
continue
to
improve,
has
excellent
schools
and
has
a
very
good
community
feel
and
a
sense
of
optimism
about
the
future.
For
that
economic
development.
Thank.
G
C
Man,
I'm
deputy
John.
Thank
you
very
much
of
the
presentation.
In
light
of
some
of
your
comments,
the
the
staff
report
specifically
page
18,
the
future
Montreal
Road,
says
the
subject.
Development
will
not
preclude
the
ability
of
Montreal
Road
to
develop
as
a
traditional
Main
Street.
Do
you
agree
with
that
or
no.
J
I,
don't
agree
with
that.
No
I
believe
that,
because
of
the
large
concentrated
institutional
use
and
the
activities
that
are
associated
with
that
specific
institutional
use,
it
will
preclude.
We
will
preclude
business
and
residential
investment
in
the
area
and,
as
a
result,
it
will
lead
to
a
reversal
in
what
we've
seen
in
terms
of
economic
development,
on
Almont
railroad.
H
D
A
B
B
A
B
C
B
My
reason
for
for
opposing
the
proposals
I,
don't
believe
that
the
proposed
multi-purpose
building
includes
a
residential
care
facility,
as
defined
by
the
City
of
Ottawa.
Specifically,
a
residential
care
facility
is
defined
as
an
establishment
providing
supervised
or
supportive
in-house
care
for
those
needing
assistance
with
daily
living.
In
the
case
of
the
proposed
multi-purpose
building,
there
are
210
long-term
beds
planned
for
man
receiving
residential
care
based
on
the
research
I'm.
Going
to
tell
you
very
briefly
about
I.
B
Now,
up
until
very
recently,
our
social
service
systems
delivered
services
to
people
with
chronic
histories
of
homeless
homelessness
in
a
series
of
treatment
steps
that
would
eventually
lead
them
to
becoming
permanently
housed.
But
people
had
to
be
judged
as
being
ready
for
independent
living
by
demonstrating
treatment.
Compliance
psychiatric
stability
and
abstinence
in
the
past
several
years
has
been
a
radical
shift
in
how
services
are
delivered
to
people
who
have
a
history
of
chronic
homelessness,
instead
of
providing
them
with
residential
treatment,
often
delivered
in
shelters
as
a
step
along
the
way
to
becoming
housed.
B
B
In
2008,
the
Mental
Health
Commission
of
Canada
sponsored
a
large
multi-site
study,
known
as
the
at-home
Shay
SWAT
demonstration
project
on
the
effectiveness
of
using
a
housing
first
approach
with
people
who
were
chronically
homeless
I
served
as
a
member
of
the
national
research
team
and
was
the
co-lead
researcher
at
the
Moncton
site.
We
followed
it
to
about
2000
participants,
half
for
receiving
housing.
First,
the
other
half
were
receiving
treatment
as
usual,
including
in
some
cases,
residential
care.
B
Now,
if
you
look
at
it'll,
be
hard
for
people
to
see
in
in
the
in
the
seats,
but
the
top
line,
the
red
line
is
the
housing
first,
it's
time
percentage
of
time
in
permanent
housing.
The
blue
line,
which
is
the
bottom
line
in
the
different
cities,
is
people
receiving
treatment
as
usual,
again
percentage
of
time
in
permanent
housing.
You
can
see
that
housing
first
is
clearly
superior
to
treatment
as
usual
and
ending
homelessness.
It
also
shows
with
despite
the
early
spike,
that
people
are
housed
very
rapidly.
B
It
demonstrates
that
the
majority
of
individuals-
and
in
this
case
it
was
it-
was
80
plus
percent
of
people-
are
able
to
end
homelessness
by
participation
in
these
programs.
This
is
why
I
would
argue
that
the
beds
dedicated
to
residential
care
and
the
proposed
multi-purpose
building
actually
entail
more
shelter
beds.
As
a
result,
it
contravenes
a
zoning
bylaw,
limiting
the
gross
floor
area
for
shelter
use,
as
stated
on
page
13
and
page
70
of
the
planning
document.
B
Because
of
the
findings
of
the
at
home,
she
saw
study
programs
and
policies
across
the
country
have
moved
in
the
direction
of
scaling
up
housing.
First
program,
one
minute,
thank
you.
It
includes
the
federal
homelessness
part
mixed
strategy
revised,
so
the
majority
of
its
funding
is
allocated
now
to
housing.
First
programs,
the
province
of
Ontario,
recently
released
a
document
called
the
Ontario
supportive
housing
policy
framework.
It
states
that
housing
for
special
needs
population
should
be
guided
by
housing
first
principles.
A
key
aspect
of
the
city
of
Ottawa's.
B
Current
ten-year
plan
is
implementing
the
housing
first
model
with
targeted
outcomes,
including
the
elimination
of
homelessness
and
getting
shelter
stays
down
to
less
than
30
days.
The
fact
individuals
do
not
require
residential
care
to
exit
homelessness,
combined
with
the
very
high
likelihood
that
funding
for
these
types
of
services
going
forward
will
not
be
available.
Calls
into
question
the
defining
of
these
longer
term
beds
as
being
part
of
a
residential
care
facility
for
this
region.
I
believe
that
the
proposed
buildings
should
not
be
approved
by
the
Planning
Committee.
Thank
you.
A
J
You
chair,
one
of
the
one
of
the
challenges
that
those
of
us
who
who
happen
to
agree
with
the
thrust
of
your
presentation
have
in
in
voting
on
this
proposal
is
that
it's
been
made
very
clear
to
us
that
we
are
dealing
with
a
planning
issue.
Zoning
land
use
and
it
is
going
to
be
difficult
for
a
number
of
us
to
find
that
planning
act.
Angle
on
the
kind
of
argument
that
you've
just
made,
and
it
may
be
unfair
to
put
you
on
the
spot.
J
B
J
How
would
you,
how
would
you
amend
this
particular
proposal
to
de-emphasize?
What
you've
asserted
is?
Is
the
argument
in
making
that
there
is
a
an
inappropriately
large
amount
of
this
space
devoted
to
shelter
that
the
residential
shelter
is
not
is,
in
fact,
shelter,
I'm
just
trying
to
find
a
way
to
turn
this
into
Planning
Act
language,
so
that
those
of
us
who
feel
that
it's
an
inappropriate
use
here
can
can
make
a
decision
that
is
defensible
before
the
board
I
just.
B
Believe
most
of
the
residential
care
facility
is
not
needed.
It
just
doesn't
it
just
doesn't
align
with
what
we
know.
People
are
able
to
do
when
they
end
up
in
an
emergency
shelter
so
that,
from
my
standpoint,
I
would
actually
get
rid
of
the
residential
care
facility.
Most
of
it
I
appreciate,
there's
some
beds
for
respite
care
and
that
that's
and
that's
another
issue.
B
However,
the
other
parts
daily
skill
living
training,
addictions,
treatment,
there's
a
there's
beds
being
reserved
for
working
men
I,
would
just
hide
those
off
because
I
would
argue,
they're
just
not
necessary
and
instead
provide
provide
the
emergency,
shelter,
beds
and
and
and
grow
the
house.
The
housing
first
model
in
the
shelter
which
the
Salvation
Army
is
already
doing
and
and
doing
well.
J
And
I
appreciate
the
thoughtfulness
of
the
reply.
It's
a
question
that
I'll
be
asking
from
time
to
time
and
for
those
who
may
be
listening,
who
are
going
to
be
presenting
or
presenting
over
the
next
couple
of
days.
I
hope
it's
something
that
they'll
provide
some
serious
thought
to
when
we
are
dealing,
for
example,
with
a
mixed-use
building
on
a
traditional
Main
streets
and
in
Kitsap
reward,
and
the
thought
is
to
provide
retail
space
on
the
ground
floor.
J
We
don't
look
under
the
Planning
Act
debt
does
Ottawa
need
or
does
Westborough
need,
another
coffee
shop,
it's
not
a
Planning,
Act
consideration
and
so
I
hope
over
the
course
of
the
next
couple
of
days
that
we're
going
to
be
able
to
tune
it.
The
argument
that
you've
been
making
together
with
Planning
Act.
B
Considerations,
but
in
this
case
in
the
document,
it
clearly
states
that
the
area
of
the
shelter
has
been
amended,
I
think
by
about
a
hundred
square
feet
from
800
to
900
and
one
possibly
okay,
and
what
I'm
saying
is.
Actually
what
you
have
in
large
part
is
an
emergency
shelter
of
over
six
thousand
square
feet.
That's
that's
the
point
I'm
making.
That's.
A
O
A
But
I'm
we're
gonna
have
time
for
questions
later
today.
Right
and
you'll
have
listen
to
the
people
that
come
forward,
we'll
ask
the
staff
for
their
perspective
on
what
we've
heard
and
as
far
as
the
you
know,
the
comments
that
are
being
made
about
mega
shelter,
interpretation
of
what
that
is,
etc.
I'm
you
know
we're
going
to
hear
that
it's
only
15
percent
of
the
entire
building,
the
application,
we're
gonna,
hear
things
like
that
from
different
people
right
so
weird,
thank
you.
G
In
your
mind,
you
may
not
have
stated
this
clearly,
but
it's
clear,
but
maybe
you
can
confirm
that
you'd
like
for
the
City
of
Ottawa,
to
remove
any
shelter
right
from
any
of
our
zoning
to
align
with
the
guiding
documents.
Maybe
to
that
you
could
speak
to
the
current
land
use
impacts
of
these
shelters.
G
B
I
mean
that's
that
that's
a
tough
one,
but
but
we
know
that
this
is
a
group
of
people
who
use
shelters
who
are
stigmatized
there,
some
of
our
most
marginalized
citizens
in
the
city
and
there's
a
real
problem
when
you
increase
the
numbers
because
it
it
it,
it
feeds
that
stigma
and
it
feeds
that
marginalization
and
I.
Think
that's
that's
one
of
my
difficulties
with
an
institution
of
this
size
and
again
getting
back
to
my
argument
to
you
know
to
tie
it
to
zoning
I.
G
Okay,
so
could
you
clarify
that
in
your
mind,
I
know
we
have
the
application
today,
but
in
your
mind
we
should
not
allow
shelters
to
rests
and
are
permitted
in
any
of
our
permissions
across
the
city.
As
that,
would
you
go
as
far
as
that
that
you
wouldn't
allow
for
shelters
to
be
built
in
the
first
place,
and
you
always
I.
B
Wouldn't
go
that
far
I
mean,
unfortunately,
we
need
emergency
shelters.
I
mean
you
know:
people
get
displaced
for
all
sorts
of
reasons,
so
we're
gonna,
we're
gonna
need
emergency
shelters.
I'm,
not
you
know,
I
wouldn't
take
the
position
that
we
can't
have
them.
They
should
be
smaller
though,
and
we
should
get
people
out
of
them
as
quickly
as
possible
and-
and
we
now
have
the
the
social
know-
how
to
do
that.
I
guess!
That's!
That's
the
you
know
one
of
the
points
I'm
trying
to
make
here.
Okay,
thank
you.
C
Good
morning
and
thank
you,
professor
Aubry,
for
your
remarks,
I
want
to
focus
my
question
on
land
use
and
I'm.
Just
going
to
read
you
quickly,
two
sentences,
the
first
from
the
staff
report
and
the
staff
report
says
well.
The
official
plan
and
zoning
bylaw
cannot
regulate
how
social
services
are
provided
from
a
land-use
perspective.
There
are
efficiencies
in
providing
compatible
social
services
on
the
same
site.
Now
the
second
sentence,
I'm
going
to
read
to
you,
is
from
the
2013
report
on
housing.
C
First
called
housing
first
in
Canada,
you
probably
know
it
well
and
in
one
of
the
case,
studies,
Lethbridge,
Alberta,
there's
reference
to
land
use
as
well,
which
has
a
very
different
perspective
on
the
relationship
between
land
use
and
social
services,
and,
let
me
read
it
out:
an
integrated
service
delivery
model
is
essential,
but
is
often
misunderstood
as
a
centralized
service,
where
all
programs
are
run
out
of
the
same
building.
In
fact,
overly
centralized
service
delivery
can
undermine
efforts
to
move
people
out
of
homelessness.
C
The
land
use
separation
of
services
is
very
important,
so
I'm
curious
between
those
two
perspectives:
the
staff,
the
staff
view
that,
from
a
land-use
perspective,
there
are
efficiencies
in
having
compatible
social
services
on
the
same
site
and
the
lesson
from
Lethbridge
and
the
housing
first
report
that
I
alluded
to,
which
argues
that
land-use
separation
of
those
services
is
important.
Could
you
offer
your
perspective
on
those
two
positions
on
land
use
and
separation
of
Social
Services
yeah.
B
I'm
not
aware,
and
there
might
be,
but
I'm
not
aware
of
any
research
that
suggests
that
centralizing
services
are
is
better
in
in
in
in
in
some
way,
but
I
will
say
where
we're
moving
in
social
services,
and
this
includes
an
in
in
the
whole
area
of
trying
to
treat
you
know.
Kind
of
work
with
people
support
people
who
are
experiencing
homelessness
is
we're
trying
to
integrate
them
in
the
community
and
the
problem
with
centralized
services.
Is
it
works
against
that
and
that's
one
of
the
central
tenets
of
housing?
B
M
A
A
We
hear
that
we
we
constantly
hear
it.
Sometimes
you're
gonna
see
vice-chair
Tierney.
Talking
with
me
we're
talking
about
whether
or
not
it's
that
the
presentation
is
whatever
or
any
kind
of
questions.
You'll
see.
Other
counselors
and
not
everybody
here
is
a
member
of
the
planning
committee.
So
you
have
engaged
counselors
that
are
here
because
they
want
to
hear
from
you
right.
A
They
don't
have
to
be
here
they're
here
so
when
they
go
to
ask
questions
of
a
staff
person
or
whatever
I
want
you
to
think
about
the
fact
that
they're
interested
in
what
you're
saying
and
they
want
clarification
or
they
want
the
opinion
up.
For
example,
you
may
see
me
talking
to
chair
Dean's
who
chairs
the
community
Protective
Services
Committee,
it's
what
we
do.
It's
not
different
today,
it's
it's!
How
we
make
our
best
judgments
and
listen
to
people
at
the
same
time,
so
I
hope
that
clears
that
up
now
we'll
go
over.
L
So
the
Ottawa,
Valley
and
New
Democrats
very
much
want
to
support
homeless
people
to
find
emergency
shelter
when
they
need
it.
However,
the
New
Democrats
believe
that
the
real
solution
to
homelessness
is
to
invest
in
long-term,
affordable
housing.
We
also
appreciate
the
Salvation
Army's
long
history
of
community
service.
However,
this
proposal
for
a
very
large
emergency,
shelter,
short-term
housing
and
limited
social
support
services
for
men
only
is
insufficiently
aligned
to
the
city's
bylaws
policies
and
plans.
L
L
They
addressed
the
noise
and
the
light
and
other
sorts
of
impacts,
but
not
the
impact
on
the
community
itself.
In
these
larger
terms,
as
stated
on
the
city's
website,
the
Planning
Committee
has
a
responsibility
to,
and
I
quote,
ensure
coordination
and
consultation
with
other
standing
committees
and
departments
where
responsibilities
overlap
on
planning
matters
and
our
issues
relevant
to
the
Mandate
of
more
than
one
committee.
I
would
argue
that
this
very
much
overlaps
with
the
other
committees,
including
the
community
Protection
Committee.
L
Clearly,
this
decision
is,
is
more
than
just
deciding
whether
a
site
needs
a
larger
parking
lot
or
a
different
set
asides,
quoting
from
the
Official
Plan.
The
city
uses
the
Community
Design
Plan
process
and
collaborative
planning
to
both
empower
the
community.
That's
us
and
achieve
the
objectives
of
the
official
plan
at
the
local
level,
our
Main
Street,
the
variance
requested,
while
seemingly
a
small
amendment
to
the
Official
Plan.
L
A
plan
developed
over
many
years
of
consultation
with
citizens
and
lots
of
research
is
is
actually
a
very
large
departure
from
many
other
long-standing
thoughtful
and
well
supported
policies
and
plans
of
the
city
and
its
citizens.
These
policies
are
intended
to
guide
the
city's
realization
than
making
real
of
its
social
objectives,
that
is,
to
create
viable
communities
and
a
healthy
vibrant
city.
The
community's
decision
and
the
Salvation
Army
proposal
should
also
be
in
alignment
with
the
Montreal
Road.
L
The
second
district
secondary
plan,
housing
first
policy
I,
know
we've
said
you're
not
going
to
consider
that,
but
I
would
argue
that
this
very
much
propo
to
this
discussion.
We
propose
instead,
that
the
Salvation
Army
build
a
series
of
multiple,
smaller
emergency
shelters,
short-term
housing
options
and
support
services
out
across
the
city
in
areas
that
are
under
service
now.
Vanya
is
not
the
only
neighborhood
with
a
homeless
population.
L
Despite
the
numbers
reported
by
the
city,
homelessness
is
increasing
in
Ottawa
many
homeless,
people
are
invisible,
especially
homeless
women
and
children,
and
who
are
not
captured
by
the
city's
surveys
and
they
don't
all
live
in
Vanier
or
even
in
the
downtown
core.
There
are
homeless
people
in
every
part
of
Ottawa
in
rural
and
suburban
areas
and
in
wealthy
neighborhoods
too.
The
tragedy
is
that
they
have
even
fewer
services
available
in
their
own
neighborhoods
and
they
are
forced
to
seek
out
support
in
the
city
center
far
from
their
traditional
support,
networks
of
friends
and
family.
L
L
Would
welcome
smaller,
integrated
decentralized
shelters,
housing
options
and
support
services
in
our
neighborhood
if
they
align
with
the
existing
zoning
and
planning
requirements
and
if
they
are
accessible
to
women,
families
and
children,
not
just
men.
It's
undeniable
that
this
very
large
temporary
shelter
for
men
only
will
have
immediate
and
long-term
negative
effects
on
the
character
and
culture
of
the
Cocteau
Vanier.
Reversing
all
the
work
done
in
recent
years
to
create
a
vibrant,
safe,
healthy,
inclusive,
equitable
and
prosperous
community,
with
the
unique
cultural
and
historic
character
who's
going
to
benefit
from
this.
L
It's
not
the
homeless
population.
It's
not
the
community
of
Vanier
and
it's
not
even
the
City
of
Ottawa.
This
large
emergency
shelter
for
men
only
is
not
the
answer
today
or
for
the
future.
The
Ottawa
Valley
New
Democrats.
Ask
that
you
deny
this
variance
to
the
Official
Plan.
This
is
a
much
larger
issue
than
can
be
dealt
with
by
a
zoning
variance.
The
proposal
should
be
discovery.
A
M
The
Byward
market
BIA
has
also
submitted
a
petition
of
support
with
names
and
signatures
of
many
BIA
business
members
and
employees
I'm
also
here
in
another
capacity
as
president
of
the
board
of
directors
of
the
st.
George
condominium
corporation
at
160,
George
Street,
which
is
directly
across
the
street
from
the
booth
center
I,
represent
more
than
235
residents
and
business
employees
in
st.
M
As
your
City
Planning
staff
have
indicated,
the
market
area
has
changed
considerably
in
the
past
15
years,
when
I
moved
into
the
st.
George
in
2001,
it
was
the
only
condominium
residence
in
the
neighborhood.
There
are
now
14
more
some
numbering
28
stories,
plus
townhouses
and
apartments
and
others
planned.
M
A
number
of
embassies
have
also
chosen
to
locate
in
the
Byward
market,
one
located
for
many
years
on
the
opposite
corner
of
the
street,
from
the
booth,
Center
ambassadors
embassy
staff,
members
of
parliament
and
their
families
have
chosen
the
st.
George
to
live,
and
they
still
do.
Our
small
residential
community
of
a
few
hundred
has
grown
to
several
thousand
and
continues
to
grow
the
co-operative
community
that
has
been
encouraged
and
fostered
with
shelters.
Other
organizations
residents
businesses
over
the
past
many
years
does
not
support
the
NIMBY
arguments
voiced
in
Vanier.
M
Contrary
to
some
claims,
existence
of
the
booth
centre
and
other
shelters
close
close
by
has
not
caused
property
values
to
decrease.
In
fact,
they've
increased
considerably.
My
own
condo,
for
example,
has
more
than
doubled
in
value
since
I
moved
in
living
into
st.
George.
For
all
this
time
it
has
given
me
a
front
row
seat
and
a
unique
opportunity
to
observe
and
interact
with
the
clients
of
the
Salvation
Army
booth
Center
walking
my
dog
going
shopping,
going
visit.
Other
people
talking
to
me.
M
It
was
obvious
from
the
outset
that
her
facility
was
inadequate
to
provide
the
proper
space
to
deliver
the
necessary
services,
the
people
they
were
trying
to
help.
As
a
result,
these
people,
many
of
whom
are
in
need
of
assistance,
spend
most
of
their
time
out
in
front
on
the
sidewalk,
where
they
are
vulnerable
to
negative
influences.
M
Many
discussions
and
meetings
with
a
Salvation
Army
senior
staff
looking
for
solutions,
convinced
me
that
the
built
their
building
was
inadequate
and
there
was
no
opportunity
to
reconfigure
it
in
the
current
location.
The
new
facility
will
change
all
that
and
ease
the
concentration
of
shelters
in
the
downtown.
M
A
G
Diamond,
thank
you
for
for
being
here.
I
have
a
few
questions
relating
to
the
current
current
impacts
that
you've
had
as
a
condo
condo
president
across
the
street.
Can
you
maybe
highlight
some
of
the
efforts
the
condo
has
done
and
some
of
the
challenges
you
you
keep
you
keep
seeing
in
and
around
your
property
I'm.
G
M
B
A
Just
mr.
mr.
diamond
okay,
when
you
all
come
up
here
when
it's
your
turn
to
come
up
and
speak,
I
hope
that
people
are
polite
to
you
and
not
calling
out.
This
is
part
of
the
heckling.
We're
not
having
it
councillor
flurry
asked
a
question
of
one
of
his
residence
and
I
want
him
to
have
the
time
to
respond.
M
So
there's
a
condominium
plan
at
the
former
site
of
the
honest
lawyers
on
delay
right
now,
but
it
will
eventually
go
up.
That's
another
20
odd
story,
one
on
that
same
street
right
next
door
to
the
current
News,
Center
and
I
suspect,
with
a
move
to
out
of
the
George
Street
and
the
sale
of
that
property
that
will
which
will
need.
We
generate
money
in
order
to
complete
this
whole
project.
Another
residential
commercial,
complex
will
go
up.
I.
M
The
principle
one
I
just
mentioned
was
that
they
don't
have
a
space
for
their
customers,
their
clients,
the
people
who
use
the
services
to
gather
off
the
street
and
that's
the
big
limitation
of
the
current
site.
The
new
plan,
as
you
saw,
allows
for
that
kind
of
space,
so
they'll
be
separate
from
a
street
and
be
able
to
socialize
and.
G
A
M
G
M
G
M
G
M
P
A
C
You,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
a
mr.
diamond
for
your
presentation,
and
you
said
that
the
Byward
market
is
a
great
place
to
live.
I
haven't
lived
there,
but
I
certainly
agree
with
you
that
the
Byward
market
is
a
great
place
and
you
mentioned
that
property
values
over
time
have
gone
up
even
with
shelters
like
the
Salvation
Army
present.
I,
don't
think
the
Vanier
concerns
are
NIMBYism
per
se.
C
C
Your
immediate
area
and
across
the
street,
from
where
you
live
and,
of
course,
you're
here
to
support
that.
So
how
can
you
accuse
one
neighborhood
of
being
NIM
the
residents
when
you're,
in
fact,
here
speaking
today,
to
ensure
that
this
leaves
the
immediate
area?
I,
just
I,
don't
understand
how
you
could
make
that
statement.
M
Even
the
thrust
of
my
presentation
was
that
I've
watched
this
for
16
years.
I,
don't
know
that
the
people
in
Vanier,
who
were
making
comments
about
the
potential
for
this
site
to
move
out
to
Vanier
have
seen
what
I've
seen
and
no
understand
most
of
the
customers
of
The
Salvation
Army
are
quite
they.
You
have
challenges
some
of
the
mental
challenges
and
other
other
addictions,
but
they
are
generally
brouilly.
They
follow
regulations.
A
Q
Here
today,
on
behalf
of
the
merchants
of
Montreal
Road
I'm,
the
chair
of
the
Kelsi
vania
BIA
and
I'm
here,
to
share
their
views
on
this
proposal.
As
you
know,
Main
streets
in
the
surrounding
communities
are
essential
to
the
economic
development
of
cities
and
our
top
criteria.
When
new
out-of-town
talent
is
seeking
to
relocate
to
a
new
city,
the
ability
to
have
thriving
Main
streets
enhances
our
neighborhoods,
promotes
tourism
city
pride
and
ensures
that
shopping
and
entertainment
dollars
remain
in
our
city.
Q
A
decision
to
set
a
precedent
to
modify
the
traditional
Main
Street
definition
to
allow
for
an
emergency
shelter
on
a
street
that
is
designated
for
economic
development
is
irresponsible
and
undermines
the
work
undertaken
on
enhancing
economic
diversity
and
development
in
Vanier.
As
for
the
scope
of
this
committee,
I
will
limit
my
comments
circular
to
planning
aspects.
This
is
a
land
use
issue.
Q
Traditionally,
exemptions
are
sought
when
two
different
planning
policies
are
at
odds
with
one
another
and
it
usually
comes
down
to
height
restrictions,
exemptions
that
are
granted
based
on
the
city's
intensification
goals,
not
land-use
you're
being
asked
today
to
allow
something
that
was
never
intended
in
either.
The
traditional
Main
Street
designation,
nor
the
secondary
plan,
these
designations
and
plans
are
made
with
specific
goals
in
mind,
and
investors
and
developers
want
certainty
and
make
majors
investments
based
on
the
inflexibility
of
those
plans.
Opening
up
the
definition
lowers
the
confidence
in
the
plans
and
scares
investment
away.
Q
The
shelter
does
not
meet
the
urban
planning
goals.
It
goes
against
the
TM
designation
that
does
not
list
a
shelter
as
an
acceptable
use
TM
as
a
commercial
objective.
What
are
the
commercial
objectives
of
this
project?
This
project
also
goes
against
the
20
2014
secondary
plan
for
much
railroad,
which
is
designed
to
attract
new
investment
to
montt
railroad
through
generous
exemptions
to
height
restrictions
and
strong
intensification
policies.
Q
The
proposal
also
runs
counter
to
Ontario's
2014
provincial
policy
statement
under
the
Planning
Act,
which
states
that
the
viability
and
vitality
of
Main
streets
need
to
be
enhanced
where
possible,
as
well
as
creating
opportunities
for
sustainable
economic
development
based
on
these
three
principles
alone.
There's
no
justification
that
allows
shelters
on
Main
streets
or
on
Montrell
Road
in
2008
in
the
2008
city
council
directive,
it
was
advised
that
shelters
should
not
be
within
500
metres
of
each
other
and
that
a
limit
of
4
and
any
ward
should
be
maintained.
Q
I
understand
that
this
was
never
formally
incorporated
into
bylaw
and
that
current
City
Council's
not
beholden
to
this
hard
rule.
However,
when
making
planning
decisions,
this
policy
advice
should
have
been
given
strong
consideration
in
the
staff
report.
Look
at
the
policy
objective.
Why
did
the
city
think
that
locating
many
shelters
and
one
ward
was
inappropriate
in
2008?
Why
does
the
mayor
want
the
shelters
spread
out
and
out
of
the
tourists
downtown
core
beyond
the
issue
of
zoning?
Q
There's
a
real
concern
of
the
business
impact
on
Montreal
Road
when
considering
the
safety
and
security
of
the
street,
the
Salvation
Army
has
not
shown
any
ability
to
manage
the
negative
activity
around
its
premises.
There
have
been,
there
will
be
an
increase
on
enf
EMS
service
calls
to
the
address
in
the
last
five
years.
The
booths
three
facility
at
3300
calls,
whereas
the
current
location
only
had
300
more
than
ten
times
increase.
Q
They
have
stated
that
part
of
the
reason
for
the
high
volume
of
cold
calls
is
the
side
by
side
nature
of
the
detox
center
in
the
shelter
beds.
Yet
they're
proposing
the
exact
same
model
here.
Salvation
Army
is
not
willing
to
manage
alcohol.
Drug
use
and
smoking
on
his
premises
and
I've
told
us
that
any
consumption
of
these
substances
will
be
pushed
onto
Montrell
Road.
We
do
not
want,
nor
is
it
fair,
the
business
community
to
transpose
the
problems
at
George
Street
boost
center
to
the
commercial
heart
of
an
yay.
Q
In
a
few
minutes,
you'll
hear
from
landlords
who,
since
the
announcement
of
the
essays
plan,
have
moved
to
move
in,
have
lost
deals
had
to
lower
rents
to
convince
tenants
to
stay.
This
will
further
encourage
them
to
accept
lesser
quality,
tenants,
pawnshops,
marijuana,
dispensaries,
payday
loans,
all
this
hampering
the
economic
growth
and
a
potent
and
potential
prosperity.
Q
Montrell
road
already
has
a
lack
of
retail
services
mix,
a
lack
of
development,
the
most
concentration
of
payday
loans
in
Ottawa
and
five
pot
shops
I
feel
confident
expressing
these
feelings
on
behalf
of
150
businesses
and
property
owners
on
Montrell
Road,
because
since
the
announcement
there
has
not
been
one
business,
come
up
to
us
and
supported
this
project,
including
in
concluding,
there's
a
bigger
point
to
be
made
here,
and
that
is
the
precedent
you
would
set
if
you
were
to
allow
a
shelter
on
any
Main
Street
in
Ottawa.
Forget
banning
you
for
a
moment.
Q
We
all
have
visions
of
a
thriving
local,
Main,
Street
and
the
shelter
simply
does
not
fit
that
vision.
If
we
allow
each
mega
shelter
on
one
Main
Street,
it
opens
the
door
for
shelter
to
be
located
on
Elgon
streets,
Park,
Street,
Richmond,
Road,
Bank
Street
in
the
Glebe.
Can
you
picture
it
on
any
of
those?
Then
you
shouldn't
be
allowed
on
much
railroad.
Q
G
Oppression
of
some
of
the
since
the
proposal
but
as
you've
stated
also
Venu,
does
have
an
issue,
especially
a
long
winter
road
in
terms
of
business
mix,
and
you
highlighted
payday
lenders.
But
maybe
maybe
you
can
highlight
speaking
to
some
of
the
landowners
speaking
to
some
of
the
businesses
and
I
know
we'll
hear
from
some.
So
maybe
not
those
who
are
here
today
but
from
others
who
aren't
here
today
about
what
you're,
seeing
in
terms
of
the
the
mix
that
business
mix
issues
along
along
that
corridor.
Absolutely.
Q
So
as
the
BIA
we're
off
and
privy
to
some
of
the
early
stage,
discussions
about
potential
retailer
services
coming
to
our
Main
streets,
and
so
we
you
know
we
often
hear
about.
But
you
know
we
try
to
mix
the
property
owners
with
potential
businesses
and
what
we've
heard
time
at
a
time
and
again
is
all
plans.
Anyone
having
any
thoughts
of
moving
in
too
much
or
I'll
Road
I've
put
those
those
plans
on
pause
or
have
thought
about.
Q
G
Q
To
be
honest,
it
just
doesn't
look
good
I
mean
we've
been
with
site
selectors
who
drive
down
my
trail
Road
and
they
see
the
the
mix.
That's
there
and
you
know
the
lack
of
economic
success
breeds
more
lack
of
economic
success.
You
know
they'll
they'll
drive
by
and
say
well
I'm,
not
going
to
put
my
beautiful
new
building
beside
you
know,
but
sandwiched
between
a
pawn
shop
and
a
pot
dispensary
and
you
know
a
payday
loan
in
place.
So
that's
that's
really
what
we're
find.
G
Q
Definitely
missing
in
great
numbers,
a
good
service
mix
in
terms
of
restaurants
bars
places
for
people
to
go
entertainment.
As
we
all
know,
retail
is
having
a
hard
time
in
general,
but
we
would
love
to
see
there
are
smaller
stores.
I
could
be
opening
up
for
munch
railroad
with
the
cheaper
rents
that
we
have
and
we're
just
not
seeing
any
any
ability
to
to
create
that
sort
of
positive
momentum.
Q
A
Okay,
now,
how
am
I
saying
your
name?
David,
SEPA?
Okay,
before
you
start
I,
just
want
to
to
call
a
duel
presenter
to
take
your
seat,
Joseph,
Ibrahim,
Ibrahim
and
Natalie
Carrie
era.
So,
if
you're
coming
up
together,
you
only
have
five
minutes
between
the
two
of
you.
Are
you
both
here
and
in
both
coming
up?
E
E
Yeah
so
I'm
here
to
speak
about
the
planning
issue
of
land
use
on
the
traditional
Main
Street
on
Monterey
Road.
Can
we
just
get
you
to
get
closer
to
microphone?
Please?
Can
you
hear
me
okay
yeah,
so
my
name
is
David
Siva
and
I,
along
with
my
wife,
I
came
here
to
Canada
back
in
2013
in
2015
we
got
a
place
on
Montreal
Road.
We
open
our
bakery.
Quelque
chose
patisserie.
E
E
I
just
want
you
guys
to
see
what
it
looks
like
Montreal
Road,
as
you
can
see
at
the
web,
a
new
center-
it's
empty!
That's
your
in
the
week!
So
that's
how
it
looks:
Monterey
Road,
no
pedestrian
there
between
the
guava,
no
Center
and
Salvation
Army
thrift
store
is
an
abandoned
food
market
with
a
for
lease
sign
in
the
window.
I've
seen
that
sign
ever
since
I
got
here
in
kind
of
four
years
ago,
and
it's
the
same
sign.
E
E
A
block
up
is
the
cartel
Vania
BIA
office
with
another
payday
loan
shop
and
a
pawn
shop
next
door.
That's
like
all
next,
like
door-to-door
the
confectioner
is
now
closed,
but
the
payday
loan
shop
and
pawn
shop
continue
to
bring
residents
kitty-corner
to
cartel
veneer
offices,
distorted,
kill.
Cash
shows
right
in
the
corner.
E
E
You
know
what
I,
rather
Drive
20
minutes
to
go
to
Westboro
then
go
in
there
because
of
them
the
smell
of
the
witch
shop
next
door,
people
standing
right
at
the
window
of
our
shops
firing
women
of
the
night
standing
there
all
day,
they'd
rather
drive
20
minutes
to
go
to
Westboro,
then
just
what
two
minutes
to
go
there
next
to
us
an
abandoned
restaurant.
It's
been
like
that
forever.
E
Across
the
street,
from
that
restaurant
is
an
old
sport
store
that
has
not
been
open
in
years
and
upstairs
in
the
property
is
a
crack
house
up
ahead
on.
The
next
block
is
a
four-story
tower
that
is
40%
fake
vacant
and
a
marijuana
bong
shop
across
from
the
bomb
shop
is
a
vacant
lot
note
that
there
are
few
pedestrian
on
a
sunny
day.
It's
empty
next
to
the
Lord
is
the
LCBO
and
an
abandoned
building.
E
O
Thank
You
chair
I'm,
just
curious
as
I
as
I,
listen
to
your
presentation
and
some
of
the
others.
What
and
and
our
decision
as
we
sit
here
and
listen
to
delegations
through
the
next
2-3
days.
Our
decision
is,
it
has
to
be
made
on
on
land
use
for
for
this
report
and
what
is
the
best
use
of
land
specifically
on
our
traditional
Main
streets
and
it'll
be
a
difficult
decision
there.
O
If
people
a
lot
of
poor
people
live
together,
it
will
bring
down
a
neighborhood
and
I,
don't
believe
that
to
be
true,
I,
actually
yeah,
I
just
I,
don't
believe
that
to
feature
there's
absolutely
nothing
in
neighborhoods
that
I
represent.
That.
Would
that
would
confirm
that
so
I
just
wonder
what
it
is
about
this
particular
recommended
site
and
and
the
land
use.
That
would
make
things
worse
for
you
in
Vanier
today
and
what
it
is.
Why
are
things
so
bad
and
what
it
is
about
the
land
use
that
is
being
recommended
here.
E
E
O
E
There's
a
lot
of
issues
as
it
is
now
like
as
it
is
now
Monterey
Road,
there's
a
lot
of
issues
that
we
should
work
on
before
we
take
such
a
project
as
a
shelter,
that's
my
opinion,
and
it
affects
just
just
as
soon
as
the
news
came
out.
Our
cells
went
down
just
as
the
news
of
the
new
shelter
came
out.
Just
the
news.
Imagine
once
we
have
the
balloon
right.
There.
A
A
H
I
just
said
my
name:
I'm,
a
real
estate
broker
and
I've
been
investing
in
vania
for
a
long
time.
I'm
here
today
to
speak
to
the
planning
issue
of
land
use.
The
bottom
line
is
that
shelter
do
not
belong
on
traditional
Main
Street.
Traditional
Main
Street
is
a
term
used
to
refer
to
a
planning
zone
in
the
city
official
plan.
The
purpose
of
the
zone
is
to
number
one
accommodate
a
broad
range
of
land
uses
example,
retail
office
residential
number
to
promote
compact,
mixed-use
pedestrian
oriented
development.
H
Number
three
recognize
the
function
of
Business
Improvement
areas
as
primary
business
and
shopping
areas,
number
four
imposed
development
standard
to
ensures
a
street
continuity
scale
and
character
is
maintained
and
that
users
are
compatible
and
complement
surrounding
land
uses.
I
do
I,
am
the
owner
of
90
92
94
and
99
Montreal
Road
99
Monterey
Road
is
a
building
located
next
to
that
important
also
used
to
be
derringer.
H
I
bought
this
building
in
March
to
15
after
the
BIA
sold
me
on
a
promise
of
Vani
being
a
traditional
Main
Street
that
was
slated
for
Street
improvement
and
that
there
were
plans
for
other
desirable
businesses
to
move
to
Montreal
Road
in
216
I
spent
a
year
completing
a
major
renovation
stand,
spending
almost
200k
on
supremacist
in
the
spring
of
217.
A
major
franchise
approached
me
about
leasing
my
space
at
99,
Monterey
Road.
Getting
this
major
franchise
to
sign
a
lease
required
me
to
do
further,
upgrade
of
electrical
and
much
more.
H
Our
lease
negotiations
started
in
April
and
in
June
of
this
year
the
franchise
had
sent
me
a
letter
of
intent
to
least
99
Montreal
Road,
but
by
the
end
of
June,
when
the
Salvation
Army
development
application
was
announced,
the
franchise
just
walked
away.
I
have
many
properties
in
banning
and
hope
that
vani
was
going
to
become
the
next
surviving
neighborhood.
My
investment
were
made
on
Montreal
Road,
based
on
the
zoning
being
upheld
and
protected,
and
now
the
bylaw
is
being
changed
for
a
mega
shelter.
H
A
A
Hang
on
I'm,
just
updating
my
list
here
for
mr.
Gary.
The
next
person
to
come
forward
is
Kathy
or
folly.
Kathy.
Are
you
here
got
the
earth
Valley?
Thank
you
come
on
down
so
next
up
we
have
Joseph
Ibrahim
and
Natalie
Carriere,
and
you
have
five
minutes
between
the
two
of
you.
As
soon
as
you
start,
we'll
start
that
followed
by
Mahara
rawr
and
then,
as
I
said,
Kathy
or
fali
welcome.
H
H
We
hope
that
when
they
fix
the
sidewalk
on
Montreal
road
back
about
20
years
ago,
that
will
help
the
business,
but
business
mix
is
getting
worse.
The
hard
drugs
and
prostitution
are
seriously
issue
on
our
traditional
Main
Street
of
Montreal
road.
Most
of
my
rental
are
at
least
25
percent
below
the
market
and
Taxation
rate.
H
With
the
announcement
of
the
Salvation
Army
development
that
is
causing
rental
to
reduce
even
more
on
renewal,
I
already
have
to
keep
rent
somewhere
under
market
value
to
keep
tenant
happy
in
vain.
Yet
my
10-8
calculus,
who
just
speak
few
minute
ago,
is
upscale
bakery
that
makes
macarons
that
are
famous
citywide.
The
one
tenant
that
I
have,
that
is
going,
that
is
opening
other
franchise
in
the
city
and
now
Kalki
shows
want
to
leave.
H
H
H
That's
the
incident
to
get
better
tenant
when
this,
when
the
city
are
not
protecting
our
investment
in
November,
2016,
I,
purchase
two-story
makes
use
commercial
and
residential
property
at
four
one
for
Monterey
Road.
One
block
from
the
Salvation
Army
site
I
am
in
the
process
of
renewing
the
building.
I
have
worked
it
very
hard
to
bring
a
good
tenant.
I
started,
negotiate
with
pastry
shop
owner
in
the
spring
of
2017,
and
he
was
very
keen
to
lease
my
property
until
he
heard
about
the
Salvation
Army
development.
H
He
is
considering
whether
the
proceed,
whether
to
proceed
with
lease,
listen-
and
he
is
here
with
me
today.
I
can't
make
a
living
on
this
traditional
Main
Street.
If
the
city
does
not
invest
and
unable
investment
that
is
responsible
and
that
fit
within
the
commercial
objective
of
the
Montreal
Road
secondary
plan.
C
D
C
C
N
H
C
N
A
S
S
So
that's
how
long
it
took
for
someone
to
go
into
the
her
car
and
steal
her
purse.
Of
course
she
became
emotional.
She
started
crying
and
we
had
to
call
the
police,
but
the
irony
is:
she
actually
was
one
of
the
journalists
who
broke
a
story
about
versus
being
stolen.
Just
two
weeks
ago
she
was
actually
on
TV,
publicly
telling
warning
citizens
not
to
leave
their
purses
in
the
car
and
what
I
want
to
say.
This
is
the
norm
in
vain.
S
Yet
it
is
not
the
exception
and
I
can
tell
you
that,
because
I've
owned
the
building
for
ten
years,
I
know
in
Vani
inside
out
and
and
if
you
ever
wonder
why,
at
47
years
of
age
I
have
this
gray
hair
on
my
beard,
half
of
it
has
to
do
with
banging
and
the
other
half
has
to
do
with
what
happened
to
me.
But
so
let
me
tell
you:
I've
been
suffering
like
my
other
fellow
business
owners
and
landlords
with
respect
to
filling
the
space.
S
The
building
has
been
vacant
for
40%
vacant.
For
about
eight
years
now,
and
I
have
changed
agents
four
times,
just
I
thought.
Maybe
it
was.
The
agent
was
not
doing
good
job
and
to
no
avail.
So
finally,
I
have
decided
to
take
things
into
my
own
hands
and
I
did
not
fire
my
agent
yet,
but
I
am
turning
those
vacant
space
into
a
co-working
space.
S
So
basically
the
announcement
came
as
a
bomb
for
for
me,
because
I
had
already
started
investing
and
the
idea
was
for
me
to
attract
high
tech
and-
and
you
know,
on
freelancers
to
the
area.
In
fact,
I
contacted
uber
tried
to
lure
them.
Maybe
I
was
naive
to
learn
into
my
building
and
we
didn't
get
anywhere
so
I
think
the
project
is
in
contradiction
with
what
the
city
it
has
a
plan
for
for
that
Main
Street,
the
city.
S
What
matters
our
perception,
I
can
tell
you
for
the
last
few
months,
we
our
inquiries,
dropped
significantly
we're
not
even
getting
any
more
inquiries
about
about
leasing
space
in
the
building.
So,
in
my
opinion,
this
this
project,
if
you
approve
it,
it
will
make
a
lot
of
people
suffer.
Not
only
the
journalists
will
cry,
there
will
be
resonance
and
thousands
of
them
crying.
There
will
be.
A
C
G
G
I'd
love
to
hear
from
you
on
the
type
of
businesses
you
expected
to
to
come
as
a
as
an
investment
along
the
corridor
to
to
make
your
investment
valuable
and
to
promote
the
community
overall.
So
I'd
love
to
hear
you
know
as
a
when
you
bought
in
you
knew
about
the
zoning
on
the
corridor.
You
knew
about
the
the
mixed
commercial
goals.
What
what
expectations
did
you
have
from
that?
Well,.
S
My
motivation
for
buying
a
building
in
Vanier
was
like
anyone
else
like
you
know,
Li
say
that
you
know
I
thought
Vania
was
gonna,
be
in
the
next
West
burrow
and
that's
one
motivation.
Obviously
there
was
there
was
more
other
motivation,
because
I
thought
you
know
the
community
needs
some
services
and
need
some.
You
know
some
activity
in
the
area,
so
I
have
two
dentists
on
the
first
floor
as
anchor
tenants
for
the
building,
so
I
was
expecting
more
more
dentists,
more
doctors,
more
lawyers
and
also
because
I
have
a
tick.
S
Grond
I
was
really
trying
my
my
best
to
attract
some
entrepreneurs
and
startups
to
that
neighborhood.
But
it's
it's.
It's
never
never
worked
and
I'm
worried
now,
with
this
project
going
on,
to
be
honest,
I'm
still
going
ahead
with
my
working
space,
because
I've
already
started
and
I
really
don't
know
why
we
are
here
today.
S
Frankly,
if
you
want
to
discuss
things
purely
and
technical
things,
you
be
my
guest,
but
if
you
want
to
look
at
the
social
impact,
it's
going
to
have
a
huge,
huge,
negative
social
impact
and
it
does
not
take
a
rocket
scientist
to
tell
you
this
doesn't
take
reports
or
anything
just
the
reality.
It's
it's
a
five-year-old
kid
would
would
tell
you.
It's
gonna
have
a
negative
social
impact,
and
please
imagine
if
this
project
is
going
to
your
neighborhood.
What
would
you
say
just
please
and
again
I'm
not
against
the
project.
S
Salvation
Army,
as
a
you
know,
suspected
organization
has
been
doing
great
work
for
long
years,
but
I.
What
is
I
find
controversial
here
is
that
the
everything
was
done
and
then
the
community
was
being
consulted
and
I
think
that
it's
Salvation
Army
should
have
consulted
the
community
as
of
a
year
ago.
This
will
have
been
better
for
everyone.
Thank
you.
C
A
S
A
T
Perfect,
thank
you,
okay,
I'm,
here,
to
discuss
my
reasons
why
I'm
firmly
against
the
Salvation
Army's
proposed
development
from
Monterey
Road
and
the
required
official
plan
amendment
and
zoning
changes
for
land
use
on
this
Main
Street?
Why
does
this
concern
me?
My
family,
yes,
has
owned
real
estate
in
Vanier
for
over
a
decade,
but
last
April
I
purchased
a
building
on
Montreal
Road,
a
few
hundred
meters
from
the
proposed
shelter
and
will
be
opening
my
financial
planning
company
at
the
building
in
two
months,
and
it's
not
a
payday
loan
business
either.
T
I
look
forward
to
serving
the
vania
community
equally
important,
though
I'm
a
proud,
philanthropist,
I
love
to
do
charity
work
here
and
internationally
and
I
serve
on
the
board
of
a
Canadian
charity,
I
believe
in
social
justice,
social
issues
matter.
My
primary
issue
is
that
I
want
to
addressed
is
that
the
proposed
changes
in
land
use
and
the
zoning
in
more
twelve-hour
an
issue
when
I
bought
the
building
last
spring
I
had
hoped
for
the
business
community
on
the
Montreal,
Road,
Main,
Street
and
I
said
sorry.
T
I
bought
it
counting
on
the
fact
that
the
city
protected
and
supported
the
zoning
bylaws
for
traditional
Main
streets,
also,
the
Official
Plan
and
zoning
decisions
would
protect
the
merchants
and
businesses
and
the
vitality
of
Montreal
Road.
The
Official
Plan
was
put
in
place
to
support
a
socially
healthy,
strong,
productive
and
safe
community
as
an
investor
and
soon-to-be
business
owner
on
the
Montreal
Road
Main
Street,
as
well
as
a
very
supportive
municipal
taxpayer,
I'm
heavily
invested
in
venue,
but
I
no
longer
feel
protected
by
the
bylaws,
an
official
plan
that
the
city's
put
in
place.
T
If
this
proposed
development
goes
ahead,
the
city
will
in
essence,
have
broken
a
promise
to
the
public
to
the
vania
community.
One
of
my
tenants
of
the
building
mentioned
they're
not
likely
to
renew
their
lease.
If
they're
proposed
Salvation
Army
development
goes
ahead.
Another
was
asking:
will
I
hire
a
security
guard
for
the
building
council
members?
This
represents
a
potential
loss
of
close
to
fifty
thousand
dollars
annual.
For
me,
what
about
the
rest
of
the
tenants?
T
This
proposal
is
affecting
me
personally
not
to
mention
what
kind
of
new
tenants
will
Montreal
Road
attract
if
good
tenants
leave,
but
the
road
will
look
very
different,
there's
a
justified
fear
in
the
venue
business
community.
This
proposal,
if
approved,
could
be
the
tipping
point
for
a
negative
spiral
and
reversal
of
progress.
Fear
always
turns
into
reaction
and,
ultimately
negative
actions
brought
on
by
fear
spread
like
wildfire.
This
is
exactly
what's
beginning
to
happen
from
the
impact
of
proposed
change.
Land-Use.
Imagine
what
will
happen
if
this
is
approved.
T
It
would
be
devastating
to
our
businesses,
residents
and
youth,
not
to
mention
social
implications,
which
I'm
are
we
supposed
to
talk
about?
Those
I'm
not
sure,
apparently,
they're
not
relevant
to
the
decision
before
you,
but
we
all
know
that
social
impact
to
a
community
matters
in
changing
the
land
use
and
zoning
in
my
community
you're,
sending
a
message
to
other
Main
Street
business
communities
watch
out,
invest
at
your
own
risk.
T
Some
other
items
will
a
shelter
on
the
Main
Street
and
venue
promote
a
good
quality
range
of
businesses.
How
will
the
surrounding
community
feel
if
this
is
approved
after
it's
built?
How
will
it
look
in
five
years?
What
are
the
total
amount
of
beds
in
the
shelter?
Not
a
hundred
and
forty,
but
three
hundred
and
forty
a
bed
is
a
bed
they're
all
used
for
sleeping
as
a
society.
We
know
that
helping
people
is
always
the
right
thing
to
do.
T
There
will
be
an
answer:
let's
look
for
better
solutions
as
a
community
and
as
a
city
in
closing
I
do
understand
that
not
all
city
staff
have
to
directly
represent
the
public
through
their
decisions,
but
I
also
understand
that
under
section
224
of
the
Municipal
Act,
the
fundamental
role
of
councillors
is
to
represent
the
public.
Please
I
urge
you
all
to
represent
the
public.
We,
the
local
businesses
and
residents
of
Annie
and
vote
against
this
amendment
in
the
fish'll
plan
and
rezoning
and
protect
our
already
vulnerable
community.
T
A
O
A
Up
is
Peter
Hyde
and
followed
by
Maria
Jose
and
then
just
to
let
all
of
you
know
that
at
that
point
we're
going
to
take
a
break
for
half
an
hour
and
I'm
going
to
remind
counting
colleagues
again
that
half
an
hour
we'll
be
timing.
You
as
well,
you
need
you
back
in
the
seat,
so
we
can
respect
those
that
have
come
out
today.
So
mr.
Hyde,
you
have
five
minutes,
go
ahead.
P
Okay,
thank
you,
madam
chairperson,
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
on
this
matter.
I
am
a
longtime
resident
of
Ottawa
I
live
in
Rockland
and
frequent
Montreal
Road
for
shopping,
visiting
friends
and
relatives
and
I'm
well
aware
of
the
area
to
be
affected
by
this
proposal.
If
it
goes
ahead,
I'm
strongly
opposed
to
it
for
many
reasons,
and
it
provided
them
to
the
Salvation
Army,
to
which
I've
given
financial
support.
P
Nearly
all
my
working
life
I
believe
it
is
a
great
mistake
for
this
significant
proposal
to
proceed
with
a
widespread
community
support
before
any
work
is
done
in
the
pros
on
the
proposed
site.
I
recommend
it
be
shelled
until
a
more
comprehensive
study
is
undertaken
using
revised
principles.
Both
the
city
and
Salvation
Army
would
be
wise
to
seriously
consider
alternatives
and
avoid
wasting
time
and
money
to
fight
the
local
opposition.
The
montreal
location
is
not
suitable
for
heavy
track
of
traffic
which
will
bring,
nor
is
there
sufficient
street
parking
available.
P
There
will
be
a
significant
disruption
of
montreal
for
the
two
years
during
construction,
especially
during
winter
as
well.
For
the
thereafter,
no
amount
of
improvement
that
the
city
has
promised
will
change
that.
There's
a
large
residential
area
stretching
from
the
site
of
the
proposed
facility
up
to
the
Beachwood
Cemetery,
which
includes
many
families
with
young
children.
As
already
has
been
pointed
out,
these
folks
are
not
enthused
with
the
policy
possibility
of
being
close
to
the
Salvation
Army's
proposed
facility,
and
yet
letting
young
kids
walk
to
their
school
or
traveling
to
and
from
bus
stops.
P
Another
location
such
as
the
site
of
the
former
Edo
high
school
or
the
target
department
store
shopping
center,
which
have
been
vacant
for
about
a
year,
both
of
which
are
on
salar
Boulevard
and
have
ample
space
for
parking
and
other
outside
activities
would
be
better
choices.
With
the
rise
of
Amazon
and
demise
of
both
target
in
Canada
and
recently
Sears,
there
will
be
little
chance
of
a
big
department
store.
Locating
there.
P
The
proposed
location
is
also
inconvenient
for
people
coming
from
the
417
Highway,
and
the
light
rail
route
currently
under
construction
and
I
mean
not
just
clients.
There's
people
servicing
the
facility.
The
proposed
site
will
be
close
to
the
waba.
No
Center,
which
serves
indigenous
persons,
who
have
different
needs
and
I
understand,
are
not
in
favor
of
this
project
being
located
close
to
it.
I
also
just
heard
that
the
ma4
Hospital
is
opposed
to
this
project
and
I
am
a
strong
supporter
of
ma4
hospital
and
have
been
for
years.
P
Vanier
needs
new
commercial
businesses
and
improvements
to
the
area
living
conditions,
not
more
homeless
people
and
drug
users.
The
Salvation
Army
proposed
facility
will
only
make
it
more
challenging
for
vanie
to
achieve
its
objectives.
Statistics
provided
a
mr.
Tim
Richter's
column
in
today's
Ottawa
Citizen.
On
page
a
nine
supports
it.
What
would
be
even
better
than
this
proposal
will
be
for
the
Salvation
Army
to
decentralize
our
operation
and
locate
them
in
a
number
of
small
locations
around
the
city.
Audit
was
spread
out
over
a
great
area
than
Toronto
Montreal
or
Edmonton.
P
Hence
it
would
be
far
better
for
them
to
distribute
their
operations
widely
to
serve
the
whole
city
and
provide
smaller
facilities
for
homeless
in
those
areas.
Ottawa
Salas
and
Robert.
Smart
Center
are
a
couple
of
excellent
examples
of
charities
which
have
been
very
successful
doing
this
without
causing
community
opposition,
see
also
the
evidence
in
mr.
Richter's
call
them
that
I
mentioned
earlier.
There
are
many
good
reasons
for
splitting
the
Salvation
Army's
project
into
smaller
local
based
facilities
and
avoiding
the
community's
opposition
to
this
mega.
P
One
some
experienced
people
have
argued
that
the
selves
in
our
Salvation
Army
needs
services
designed
for
community
support
using
property
tax
money
to
fund
shelter.
Bins
is
a
pointless
way
to
solve.
The
homeless
issue,
some
have
argued
that
support
for
SOS
vania
organization
is
marginal,
but
I
can
assure
you
from
what
I
know
there
is
wide
support,
widespread
support
from
outside
the
community
as
well
as
vania
itself.
P
A
R
Great
thank
you
very
much
for
allowing
me
to
speak
today.
My
name
is
Mary.
Josie
oil
and
I've
been
working
in
the
affordable
housing
sector
in
Ottawa
for
the
last
14
years
and
I've
worked
front
lines
as
a
housing
coordinator
later
held
the
title
of
project
manager
as
I
developed
for
affordable
housing
projects
scattered
across
the
state,
II
and
I
still
work
as
a
consultant
for
the
coop
housing
sector.
R
My
last
job
I
was
the
executive
director
for
OSI,
so
nonprofit
Housing
Corporation
a
job
that
I
lived
through
the
death
of
Abdul
Rahman
Abdi
at
the
hands
of
a
police
on
our
doorsteps.
So
working
with
a
wide
range
of
vulnerable
people
is
nothing
new
to
me
and
I've
seen
and
experienced
many
things
over
the
past
years.
R
So
this
past
January
I
was
the
bania
community
center
services
located
at
290
Dupree,
where
I
was
asked
to
come
for
a
job
interview
and
while
I
waited
in
the
reception
area,
I
overheard
an
older
man
screaming
into
the
courtesy
phone
as
he
perched
precariously
on
his
Walker,
and
he
screamed
do
I
have
to
go
over
there
and
shoot
the
place
up.
For
me
to
be
understood,
this
was
my
introduction
to
Vanier,
so
I
did
get
that
job.
My
new
office
is
located
on
the
second
floor
at
261,
Montreal
Road.
In
fact
mr.
R
RR
who
spoke
earlier
is
my
landlord,
and
you
know
the
building
is
where
the
H&R
Block
is.
On
the
first
floor,
there's
a
beautiful
mural
commissioned
on
the
side
of
it,
and
my
building
can
also
be
seen
among
the
payday
loans,
everything
that
everyone's
described
all
morning
for
you
and
it's
also
exactly
across
the
street,
from
the
junk
woods
through
where
someone
had
his
throat
slit
this
summer.
R
Now
that
the
weather
is
getting
colder,
these
occurrences
are
increasing
in
frequency,
so
since
March
first
I've
been
the
executive
director
for
Exxon
asthma,
we're
a
homelessness
prevention
organization,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
the
people
that
I
see
on
the
streets
in
front
and
behind
my
office
every
day
the
people
who
try
to
sneak
into
our
office
building
seeking
shelter
are
not
the
people.
The
individuals
that
my
organization
can
help.
However,
and
I
speak
to
you
as
someone
who
has
been
working
in
affordable
housing
sector
for
quite
a
while.
R
These
are
the
individuals
that
a
purpose-built,
flexible,
Salvation
Army
facility
can
help.
These
people
are
here.
You've
heard
it
all
morning,
they're
in
Vanier
they're
here
every
day,
and
that's
why
the
construction
of
this
facility
in
a
purple
location
is
vital
to
this
community
and
these
people
that
require
the
range
of
services
provided
by
this
shelter
are
already
here
and
it's
not
just
shelter
services.
It
is
support
services.
So
we've
talked
about
a
bed
as
a
bed.
That's
absolutely
untrue.
R
They
do
need
a
place
to
stay
and
they
also
need
the
supports.
So
when
I
talk
about
homelessness
to
the
public
and
tomorrow,
I'm
gonna
go
teach
a
lecture
at
University
of
Ottawa.
I
quote
the
following:
stats:
Ottawa
has
a
2%
vacancy
rate,
there's
a
huge
shortage
of
rental
accommodations
in
the
city.
Ottawa
has
the
third
highest
rents
in
Canada
after
Vancouver
in
Toronto,
the
vacant
unit.
R
R
This
year
that
number
rose
to
200
and
with
the
Canada
150
celebrations,
the
motels
were
so
full
that
the
family
shelters
had
to
relocate
people
to
live
in
Rockland
and
in
Cornwall
the
emergency
shelters
for
single
individuals
are
cracking
at
the
seams,
so
the
housing
first
seems
to
be
the
buzzword
of
the
day.
It
does
not
work
well
for
everyone.
Besides.
There
needs
to
be
housing
available
to
run
a
housing
first
program
and
at
the
time
Ottawa
has
a
huge
shortage
of
rental,
accommodations,
nevermind,
affordable
housing.
R
D
R
G
R
Basically,
preparing
the
question
for
mr.
Fleury
was
about
the
the
link
between
the
things
that
I've
witnessed
the
things
that
everyone
has
witnessed
this
morning
and
why
I'm
in
favor
of
the
Salvation
Army
facility,
it
is
going
to
be
purpose-built.
It
is
going
to
be
flexible,
so
the
face
of
homelessness
changed
since
2013.
There's
been
a
lot
of
reasons
why
people
have
become
homeless
since
then,
and
since
the
development
of
the
10-year
plan,
we
never
thought
that
war
would
bring
people
to
our
doorsteps.
R
We
never
thought
that
the
flooding
would
in
in
the
Etowah
region
would
make
people
lose
their
homes.
So
my
point
is:
is
that
these
people
that
these
individuals
that
need
the
help
are
already
in
Vanier
and
they're,
causing
chaos?
Everyone
has
been
speaking
about
it
all
morning.
What's
not
being
spoken
is
that
the
services
that
this
new
facility
will
provide
and
that
its
size
and
its
flexibility
that
will
provide,
will
be
able
to
address
a
lot
of
these
issues
that
we
see.
So
people
will
no
longer
be
loitering
on
the
streets.
R
G
Okay
and
the
the
second
aspect,
are
you
began
by
saying
this
around
your
previous
work
in
the
sector.
You
talked
about
OSI,
so
and
and
more
specifically,
of
the
investments
in
scattered
units.
What
what
can?
What
can
you
present
like?
What
are
the
ratios
in
your
mind,
of
density
that
make
sense
when
you
look
at
different
housing
types
and
more
specifically,
looking
at
shelters?
What,
in
your
mind,
brings
enough
enough
value
for
the
investment,
but
not
not
so
much
that
it's
an
unmanageable
in
terms
of
location?
Well,.
R
I
can't
speak
in
terms
of
shelters
because
my
specialty
really
was
affordable,
housing
and
I
do
believe
in
a
mixed
model
of
affordable
housing.
However,
that
is
not
a
shelter
situation.
However,
this
is
also
what's
being
proposed,
for
the
shelter
is
a
mixed
model,
not
in
a
mix
of
income,
but
if
mix
of
services
and
emergency
beds
and
a
flexibility
to
be
adaptable.
While
we
move
through
this
ten-year
housing
and
homelessness
plan
and
that's
what
they're
proposing
so
I'm
sorry,
mr.
Fleury
I'm,
not
quite
answering
your
question.
R
J
Very
may
quit
60.
What
are
the
questions
with
which
this
committee
is
is
ostensibly
seized
is
whether
or
not
a
shelter
use
belongs
on
a
traditional
Main
Street,
the
city
has
has
grappled
with
traditional
Main
streets
and
and
our
desire
to
promote
those.
We
can
think
about
the
the
the
great
traditional
Main
streets
that
are
across
the
city.
I've
heard
multiple
references
to
it's
a
West
burrow
and
Hintonburg.
For
example,
we
could
also
say
Bank,
Street
or
the
Glebe.
R
J
Certainly
Hintonburg
is
is,
is
very
full
of
housing
for
vulnerable
populations,
but
not
on
the
Main
Street,
and
that
that
is
the
question
with
which
we
are
struggling
today
is:
do
we
amend
the
secondary
plan,
the
Official
Plan,
to
allow
a
shelter
use
on
a
Main
Street,
not
whether
to
allow
a
shelter
and
that's
that's
again,
the
critical
difference
that
I
hope
subsequent
speakers
will
come
to
the
table
prepared
to
address,
but
I
do.
Thank
you
for
the
presentation
I.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
contributions
that
you
are
making
ongoing
in
your
professional
capacity.