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Planning Committee meeting- September 25, 2018 - Audio Stream

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Okay, good morning, everyone, hello.

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Okay, we'll wait get inside. Let's start, let's start the meeting. This is a public meeting to consider the proposed comprehensive official plan and zoning bylaw amendments. This is listed as items three four, six, seven and eight on today's agenda for the items just mentioned. Only those who make all submissions today or written submissions before the amendments are adopted may appear the matter to the local planning Appeal Tribunal. In addition, the applicant may appeal the matter to the local planning Appeal Tribunal.

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If council does not adopt an amendment within 150 days of receipt of the application for zoning and 210 days for an official plan amendment, the common sheet is available at the door for anyone wishing to submit written comments on these amendments and that also among councilors on the committee that, if you have any mentions on any of the evidence, that's today, please send a copy to us ahead of the public delegation so that the committee members and staff and the public have an opportunity to review and as necessary, clarify your motion during the discussion of the matter.

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Thank you very much. So any declarations of interest for anybody, then confirmation of minutes from Armenia and September 11th 2018.

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Ok, 8 first item is the renovation of original hosts of construction of a real addition at 119 York Street, a property designated under part 5 of the Ontario Heritage Act within the Byward market, Heritage Conservation District- and we have one speak on that Garry McLaughlin carrying here. Ok, are you in opposition of? Are you? Are you for or against?

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Ok, so we'll be holding that item? Thank you.

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Okay, I remember to is the application to alter the Medical Arts Building 180 met cats tree the property designated under part, four of the interior part Heritage Act blog Leahy, is here to say: don't have any questions on this one? Why do you need to do? You need to speak if that were prepared to carry this item? Thank you very much. As this item carry and cute.

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Item number three: is zoning bylaw amendment parts of 23:36, tenth line Road? We have one speaker he goal alone. Does anybody have any questions on this item so Hugo? Do you need to speak if we're prepared to carry this item? Thank you. So is the item carried? Thank you. Next item is only by our amendment for 241 Eric chapter clay in Orleans, ward, I. Have no speakers. As this item carry oh wait a minute now, I do Oh Greg well yeah, my printers. Do you need to speak if we're prepared to carry it?

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Thank you very much. So is this item carry we want to hold it Eric traffic here chocolate play okay, so as Eric Chapman is rezoning by our amendment for 241 Eric chaplet way, I carried okay. Thank you. Okay item number, six, we're holding that. We have speakers that is the zoning bylaw amendment for part of 401 and part of 411 corks, Town Road payment I. Get to that. Oh I, missed item five item number five is the site plan control, 113 and 115 echo Drive. We have speakers so we're holding that one item number seven.

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While he did sex and we're holding it because it's I have speakers I'm number seven is the zoning bylaw amendment. So it's in councillor, Catherine's, Ward, 58, 97, Fernbank I have Jeff meadow here from Fulton. Does anyone on the committee have any questions yeah, Jeff middle?

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If the committee is prepared to carry this item, do you still need to speak? Ok is this item caring thanks, very much. Ok number H is in my ward, it's official plan and zoning bylaw amendment 433, 70s, Green, Bank, Road and Greg. Winters is here again on that one. Does anyone I know I, don't have any questions. Does anyone here have any questions on I? Remember 8.

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Do you still need to speak if we're prepared to carry ok thanks very much so that item is carried anybody yes, ok, I, remember 9 is the settlement of a some appears to OPA 150th, good news, okay, so more you'll be here. If I, we need you for a bit and I. Remember Tim. If the status update, Planning, Committee inquiries and motions for the period ending fortunate September 2018, we have no speakers.

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Is it received? Okay, okay, we'll go back to the beginning. The first item held is the first item, which is the renovation of the original construction of a real addition at 119, York, Street of property, designator part 5 of the Ontario Heritage Act between the Byward market, Heritage, Conservation District, it's in kosyay, please writing and board.

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Sorry, you almost get a promotion there Matt and we have before us well Dana, Dana Collins is here and David Maloney. So we're not doing a presentation. Okay, so I am going to bring the person the delegation Gary McLaughlin. Would you like to come up and serve as a a mic on the door side? There.

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Just press the button to turn it on good morning morning. You have five minutes, sir. Okay will be that long. I just like to make one request to the planning.

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Committee is that they follow the existing rules that are in place for that property right now. What's on the books is that if there is the.

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Adjacent property, 121, New, York Street has a backyard and.

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Due to that, they need to have the proper to be site. If that is requested. 2/6 answer to the property line, who is required to have three.

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And a half meters from.

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To their have the adjacent neighbor, having a backyard of just like the committee to have the follow those rules that are on the books now and that's basically, it thank.

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You does anyone have any questions for mr. McLaughlin, but thank you for coming out, sir I'm going to ask Taft to comment on that. After you take your say: ok, David,.

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Good morning, madam chair and so the the underlying zoning on this property is MD mixed-use downtown zone, which requires a zero meter. Riyadh setback.

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However, the Heritage overlay under Section 60 of the zoning bylaw also does apply on this property and the Heritage.

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Overlay suggest that the require the we had set back.

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To be determined by the underlying zoning, so in this case MD, which would.

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Be zero meters, however, in the same sentence it does say in no case.

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Should the in no case can the rear at attack be less than three meters? So in this case there is a requirement for variance to that. We have sent back to to allow for zero metre setback and in terms of the Heritage Review, we've reviewed the the.

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Appropriateness of the development and.

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And we are through the by Road market HTV guidelines. It does suggest looking at adjacent properties, to determine what would be an appropriate site back. So we've done that through a review and determine that this is an appropriate setback. Given there's a zero metre setback to the west and also the condo building in behind is a zero metre setback as well.

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Because anyone have any questions for mr. Maloney okay, thank you for that explanation, and does anyone have any comments at all so on the item, the renovation of original house and construction of a rear addition at 119 York Street, a proper designated under part, five of the interior Heritage Act, then the Byward market, Heritage Conservation District- is that approved? Okay? Thank you thanks very much. Thank you. Mr. McLaughlin.

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Okay. The next item up is the site plan. Control site plan was lifted by a counselor and Rinca there you what 113 and 115 echo drive on this item. We have.

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We have John dance up to speak and then we have Jack Stirling, Emily, Myers, bang, Hoban and Calpurnia, so I will Andrew. Mccrea is here he is the planner of file and his boss. Doug James. I also would say that this is not. We had seven beside me. He noticed it is Derek moody. Now we a miss our Director of Planning and she had to be away. That means I, think she's at center at Centrepointe for important meetings today. So derek has filling him in the very capable of doing something just not as cute.

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That's all so Derek, okay. So we're not having a presentation on this but I'm going to ask mr. dance to come forward. He's the past president of old Auto, East Committee Association. We do have your comments on file thanks very much for saying them. It's always great to have a chance to read them before you know having a presentation.

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We're also going to have a technical amendment to correct document six by adding one document to the list. Why don't we do that before he starts to race, chair tyranny? The technical amendment for item number: five.

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There was a document that was missing and this adds it back in.

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Great area- thank you, madam chair, whereas to report recommends that approval of the site plan control application for the construction of the new six story building contains 39 units, as provided in document three. Four five and six where's report contains the interim use plan in document three say the proposed site plan and in turn, used in document six list of approved plans in the report.

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Therefore, if you resolved that the planning committee amendment list of document six list of approved plans and reports to include thirteen dot interim use plan, drawing number s1 prepared by urban architecture, dated the 2017 1103 revision, seven dated 20 1806 twenty-nine.

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Thank you. Are you ready? Mr. dance, did you have a presentation? Yes, indeed,.

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You Jeff, thank you. Thank you, counselor mishchenko, who allow with through the delegated authority on this one so two years ago,.

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We'll try again sorry limb, it's not a bit. Could you advance next, like this, a.

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Two years ago we were here we supported the bylaw amendment. We supported those six story structure and the three live work. You know some main, but we know that that that rezoning treasure to traditional means we should include the same restrictions. That's what pertains to the rest of Main, Street, Hawthorn, mcquaig and specifically opposed raised elevation of Main Street units, lack of integration, Main Street public realm and the lack of expanded sidewalks, something that the secondary plan requires. Kelso Turner Shantay, repeatedly request the Main Street units be at grade and could be advanced again.

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We're having a few technical problems here.

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So since then, we'd hoped through progress through the state plan control process- that's what's supposed to happen, but the development has been adamant that the echo entrance would be at grade, but not the Main Street entrances developer initially responded that great accessibility to manuals could be through the echo entrance on 50 meter walk around about my wheelchair, hardly contributing to vibrancy then said the ramps could be built to Main Street units, but these ramp to only be built. Have the owners operate the units with commercial functions? Then the owners must pay for ramps.

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The secondary plan that was approved by the planning committee by council is as floated by the provision by this application. If I'm going to the next slide this. So why does grade-level matter? Well, the secondary plan. Cdp. We worked really hard with the city on that. The idea was that yes, there'd be much more intensification, old, auto East, that we get a vibrant and thriving Main Street with a pedestrian family environment along street frontage as and main facades.

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The primary doors are ground-level facing street and accessible from the public sidewalk odd creators inviting and readily accessible and creates a better public realm for at least two years and maybe much longer. The city is not approved any new TN buildings of ground-floor not at grade it's a terrible precedent for the rest of Main Street could I have the next slide please. So this is what this looks like and what the architect would develop. They've got a lovely love building, there's no question about that.

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Commend them for that, but it can be lovely towards echo, but it can also work for Maine. It does not work at name. That's what it looked like from Main Street. Does that look like a traditional Main Street to any of you here? It does not it got, it must be changed. Could our next slide please this? On the other hand, which you've appeared this corners in Maine well underway? That's what it's supposed to look like, and it's beyond this, why you can't why this one possess a developer.

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Superb arktech can't design something that has twice the frontage on name as it doesn't echo. That is singing too what exists on the rest of Main Street, additional Main Street. We wanted vitality, that's not we get what we're getting. Could you have next slide please? So the choice is well, let's put in context near Watson 2012. What mayor's who are at that big session, and he spoke a greater predictability and certainty when it comes to development and we work hard without the CDP RCEP sbu through the year after so what's happened.

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Also, certainly that's promised gets tossed aside. It sounds like a trivial thing, but it's really really important for our traditional Main Street. The developers should not be allowed to just say: oh well, we it's better for the live working as that we have not upgrade so. Your choice is basically two sorts of all right side with a developer's proposal or the support of our community and improved CDP secondary plan and required Main Street furnitures ad grade and contributing to street fatality.

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It's not a big request to the developer and in make an immense difference to the community and to the development Main Street, something that you all want. If you approve it. You're just study and really those requests meant for what will happen all on your community and every other community ask traditional Main Street and that's the fundamental is not well it Belpre likes it better. The way it is the way they're proposing you want to have a traditional nice tree that works as one knot that is separated from from the street. Thank you very much.

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Thank you. Mr. Danson clear. We have any questions and cancer time is for that. Your name counselor. Mr. one, it's only been two weeks. That's right!.

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Just a quick question: if you go back to your presentation or to a slide that shows the frontage on Main Street that can so others there. What is that showing the ramps? Is that with that that paved areas between the sidewalk.

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If I read this correctly, ramps aren't showing what there are. There are two steps behind their foliage okay, so you don't see the ramp in that picture. The ramps are optional. Is.

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Something that a buyer has to put in after the after the fact, the standard.

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That what you buy is with stairs, at least according to the to the staff reporting.

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Okay, I'll have a question to stop afterwards about that, but thank you. Okay,.

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Anyone else have another question and cancer great thanks.

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So the objection is that there's three stairs, let's know.

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It's twofold: that's what best part of that is not accessible. It's not a trade as it is the problem you award in every other one, but that more see it as significantly is that it's not inviting as a traditional Main, Street yeah, the CDP, the secondary plan required to originally acquired two meters of additional sidewalks. So.

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Haven't expanded public domain I.

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Spit out which you saw up corners of Maine, this does not look like a.

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Traditional Main Street development at all, but is your primary objective- are concerned that there's no retail on the first floor, our.

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Primary concern is that it's being built, so it's not.

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Going to be conducive to have breed that will work well detail, another commercial, that's what our primary objective is. Does that look like a vibrant mean street to you? Well, it looks like they can walk out of their apartment onto Main Street and that there's landscaping along the Main Street. Yes,.

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To complete a certain name is daddy is not that they can walk it, that these are to be vibrant commercial entities at Kennedy's, I'm.

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Trying to get you to summer, you want it not residential, you want it retail or commercial in the first quarter. That's your! What you're asking for just say that the.

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Council can say, a plan appeared in previous appeared that they could.

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Live work; units, okay, okay,.

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But at the moment it's it's going to be very hard for them to make it make it look.

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Units, because the way they are on the Main Street frontage, why? Why couldn't I have my accounting office in that location or my legal firm in that location or my massage therapist studio in something like that? Yes,.

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You could that would it be inviting.

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Whether the people who want a massage or would be.

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Decide look at all like the traditional Main Street that we saw in the earlier image the cyber way we want all in these group to look like I say you know you already have today's most, you have traditional main streets, and this is not the way you wanted traditional Main Street to look this development that has twice the frontage on Main Street as it does an echo, and then it turns its back on echo. Is that what it should be?

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The thing that we got to rezone destitution, Main, Street, and yet it turns his back on on Main Street? That's not what you're supposed to be doing. It seems to me thanks very much monitor mr. mark. Could you just remind us about the rezoning that was approved in the zoning? That's not before is not before us. Thank you and mr. MK. Thank you guys for coming here, just in case there's any misunderstanding about what was approved for zoning. What it allows I'm talking about the live, work aspect.

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Madam chair I would expect that mr. McQuaid would be in a better position to advise you of the zoning. That's in place and I would be well. I can't advise the committee is that the matter before them is only the site plan Authority and that does not go to use. Madam chair.

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Yep Andrew.

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Chair fight took us back to the conversation when this item was before this committee. At the time of the OPA and the zoning bylaw amendment the site Pacific's, there was very site-specific policies for this property that amended the secondary plan and, as part of that exercise, a residential use building was fully permitted from a policy perspective. When that translated into the zoning that committee passed on, they went to a TM zone that permits a wide range of residential commercial uses.

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So, in the context of the proposal before you in the discussion that just happened, a blower unit or residential unit is permitted at grade. I live work is primitive upgrade, so would be a full commercial unit. So a scenarios are permitted, upgrade.

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They would have any questions councillor Kathy thank.

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You very much madam chair and just coming back to staff about the three steps to these units from Main. Street was the accessibility aspect handled in that particular scenario,.

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I'm, surely, through the site plan process, we commuted communicate a lot with the accessibility, Advisory Committee. Their first comments was general about accessibility in the building and targeting that fourteen point, six percent of the population could have accessible needs. A lot of it was Building Code specific.

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Then I prompted that committee to specifically talk about the scenario of if the design of these units as live, work or commercial potential pose a problem, and their response was that the units are accessible, they're accessible from the main entrance from echo and internal to the building and then secondly, some of the conditions of approval that we set up through purchase and lease agreements require to put in that ramp. If they live working it or commercial unit exists in that space, so by all accounts that is accessible and depending on.

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If it's residential live work or commercial, it will function from an accessible point of view.

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Thank you for that to the public delegation just mentioned that the if the ramp is required or wanted by the unit they would have to pay, for that is that tactic that is corrected is required for a live working at or commercial unit. I think the only exception would be as if the first purchaser through the marketing as a live work, you might disclose that they wanted then probably built in the first instance and I, don't know who the payment from that would become. Thank you thank you about. You. Can.

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I just ask you: we have throughout the city, certainly the suburbs we have quite a few of them and it's desirable to have live work units on long coast drive, for example, in bar Haven. We have besides mothers raised to high school I. Think it's a rich craft product, but it's has them here. There's a hair salon and there's a mr. sand. Then they live there and that sort of thing so in, but everybody else just lives there.

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So in these units across the city, where we have somos I'm sure that we all have them in the suburbs, what are the rules there? Do we make the ad? We do we force them to have an accessibility like an accessible. We have to enforce them to be a grade because I'm, just thinking of the ones on long fills and they're, not they're, not it I create, and then how do we have? Is the accessibility portion of it come into play if indeed, they open the work portion of their opportunity?

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A good question: not okay, I'm, not sure the exact specifics of some of the examples that you mentioned, but it would be subject to a building code review and with the especially with the near AODA compliance. Perhaps a new full commercial unit would have to prove accessibility and again in this. In this instance, the entrance from the main building satisfies that requirement. It's that additional layer of the conversation where you get that ramp rate from Main Street that adds that extra level of accessibility, but those other examples, I, don't know the specifics and.

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So just say, questio so same is the way that this is now. If the market is such that somebody wants to turn, one of them into a business is when they apply for the business permit. Is there a trigger there on accessibility? Do we know that I.

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Believe there would be through the building code. Yes, so.

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At that time, that that was the case they would they would be.

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That would be one of the checks and balances you have to be accessible, and it would it be enough that they're accessible as the applicant suggests from the main door, and we have accessibility there, or in that case, if they were work units. Would you may not even notice this, because this could be beyond that you know, but would there be a need for them to be accessible at the individual unit? In that case, I, don't.

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Know if there'd be a need from a compliance point of view with the ramp to Main Street, but it is part of the conditions we set up with those purchase and sale agreements so that anyone looking at this units in the mindset of running a live, work or commercial is fully aware that that's an obligation and it's quite common I- think for someone taking over if there was a residential space to a commercial to have to go through some level work and renovations to accommodate their business needs in.

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This would just be one component of that discussion. So.

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If that were to happen, and they right now, they can either they can work that can probably do live and work, not probably they can, but if they're living now and that use changes, there will be a trigger the mechanism that that oversees or guides any change, that's necessary at that time. That's.

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Correct: okay,.

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Thank you for that information. I'm going to go to councillor. Did you have a question, but did you want to speak milk councillor and Jenko uh I just.

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Want to know it, you know, there's motion coming that a councillor libras remember. This committee has offered to forward on my behalf, and you should see it very shortly- we're we're simply putting forward as site plan conditions. Some of these accessibility and a few other minor changes as.

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They exceed it.

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Mister dance has not seen the motion, but he all the points that are in it or essentially the sticking points that he okay.

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In the beginning,.

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Of the at the beginning of the agenda before I said that I Pat I've had that little bit about councillors, putting that on but I.

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Appreciate it, it was taking time coming through when a semi.

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Just ready not I'm, not being credited yeah.

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What enjoyment is opposed.

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Hang on a second, what we're going to do is we're going to pause, because before the mister dances points are covered in it so I know. The applicant has not seen this in.

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Fact, if it's appropriate I could read it out, so we know that it's on the table.

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The applicant he could indicate whether he yes thank you, the applicant, so disappears to what I was speaking at the beginning, because we have an when the L Pat first started. We had a situation that was clearly it would have been beneficial for the people, the delegations, both the delegations that were public delegations and the applicant to have seen what was coming. What.

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I can tell you is that these conditions were communicated by letter to the applicant last week, in my invitation to them to accept them to agree to them in advance. They politely chose not to will I'm sure they will address that.

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Nothing in the motion that the applicant has not already been asked to agree to in a sense we're here for me to try to that.

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Boy, they just won it on the floor yep. So after you put on the floor or or counsel, we provide that you feel free to you presented and we'll have it moved by Councillor, repr, okay, so go ahead.

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Now, right yeah, where is the auto East community design plan states? The development will quote, encourage pedestrian use within this intensified Main Street environment by means of streetscape improvements, streetscape improvements and whereas the old Auto East community design plan continues by stating that, with the move to a more intensely developed, mixed-use form of development, the retail frontage will be clearly defined on the first floor and whereas the area north of the Queensway along Main Street would be under significant development pressure over the course of the next 10 to 15 years, therefore be resolved.

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The Planning Committee imposed the following three site plan: approval conditions on the development at 1:13, left of 115 eco condition. 1. The proponent must build both ramped and walkway access to the units at the outset. Ensuring that the existing built condition will always be able to support accessible commercial enterprises with entrances off of Main Street and not via the interior of the building and condition to owners of the ground. Oriented units along Main Street are prohibited from installing any form of lattice or screening.

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Further, they are prohibited from growing vegetation, greater than 3 feet in height and condition 3 any fencing or great states installed at the ground. Oriented units must be transparent in nature, no greater than 4 feet in height and not situated along the property line with Main Street.

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Thank you, sir, and so cancer loop is going to move that so now, I at the end, the rest away, yo the speakers Jack sterling Emily Myers, very Hoban, Karl Bernie.

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Can I ask some people to UM mark? Can you let one of them sit there? Please just until go to the side.

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That's way better, thank you. It's getting it's getting strange, I mean you know, I know it's election time, but I didn't know. Jack Sterling's gonna be a weight on in West Carlton.

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Good all right go.

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Ahead, thank you very much, madam chairman pleasure, to be here today. This is an exciting project that has been in the works, as you can tell for a number of years. I appreciate the comments we've heard today and the comments that we've been hearing for the last number of weeks, but I just and the discussions we've had with members of council, but I just want to has been discussed. Take you back a bit in history.

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It was two years ago that this site came through committee for zoning, and the zoning was very well thought out and addressed by members of the committee and in fact, if you had the time to look back to the October 11 2016 planning committee report, the uniform has been consistent in its proposal on this site from day one. The report indicates that there will be 37 billion units with three ground oriented units along Main Street, intended to function as live work. Units stated clearly on page three of your report.

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Two years ago report was on to say the ground Orion units offer animation along Main Street, and the amended policy for commercial use. Permissions is appropriate within the site locations. The zoning bylaw that was passed offers a shopping basket of uses that are permitted on this site.

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Uniform has by right the ability to build a purely residential building case closed uniform in discussions with the community and wanting to address the issues that the community was raising. With respect to animation on the street has agreed to pursue the live work opportunity for these three units. It's a permitted use uniform, has not ever had any desire intention and still has no desire intention to design the building with any opportunity for retail. There is no opportunity for retail on this site. Uniform has reached out to its its associates in the retail world.

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There is no opportunity for retail that was a beautiful photo that was shown of the domicile corners building on on Main Street. That's a stretch of Main Street that has gone through your traffic calming reconstruction. There is lay-by parking, there's opportunities for people to stop and park and go into those shops. There is no on street parking on Main Street in front of this site.

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In fact, the city's about to undergo a reconstruction of this intersection in conjunction with domicile- and there is no provision for parking on Main Street in this area at all, the closest non street parking is about a block and a half away.

B

The other visual that was very appropriate when you're shown the Main Street slide was certainly retail can look very attractive from the street on Main Street, one block south of us, a condominium building was built six years ago by Charles fir'd called the Glass Works. It has a retail component to it, similar to what was shown by the community representative. I wanted to stop and take a photo of it. The other day for you but I couldn't because I couldn't stop there and there was no parking. The space is papered over. It is empty.

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It is the odd Beauty Parlor in it, but it is now empty. Only reinforcing our concerns about retail use in this area. Instead, uniform is put forward a proposal supported by staff and consistent with the zoning bylaw to actively promote live work. Yes, there are two steps to the terrace, not three: they provide a quasi private area for the resident and they were specifically required in the zoning when it went through two years ago, 130 meters of square meters of amenity space.

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They provide opportunity for a work unit, in effect to have a lobby so that, as to councillor Blais question, if a masseuse or a lawyer or a doctor was running a service from that work unit, there would be opportunity to provide a lobby to provide some accessibility.

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We see the live work opportunity here, just for out for doctors, for lawyers, for medical practitioners etc, not only on an appointment basis, so we don't see access as being an issue in terms of being able to block up under the and knock on the door and come in and get an appointment. I also want to clarify. We are agreeable and we work with staff on the ramps.

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We can provide ramps for accessibility to all three units. Therefore live work purchaser that day, one is purchases purchasing a unit for the live work we will provide the ramp. Oh, we provided as part of the purchase and sale discussion with the owner if a ramp is required, second or third sale down menu, the ramp has been site plan approved and can be provided by the purchaser just the same way as somewhere in Centrepointe, whether it's live, work or anywhere else. A third or fourth round purchaser decides to buy a unit has to make changes.

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One of the changes they would have to make is to construct a ramp, but they would not have to go through site plan approval or anything with the city, because it's already approved.

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In summary, we believe the proposed we know if proposal we have put forward conforms to the zoning bylaw conforms to all uniforms. Discussions on his property for the last three years is supported by staff, and we are looking for community support today on our site plan so that we can proceed and build this spectacular building.

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Thank you very much. Thank.

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You who has questions for any of the folks up here, can search in djenka. Well, you had your hand up. First, oh, go ahead.

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Thank you very much so that everyone knows, and certainly you know, Jack and as the the whole proponent team we've been in conversation throughout those two years, different iterations and the issue is not about the building design. It's not about the zoning, but really it came down to you asked for the rezoning in order to it to build this kind of unit, and yet the community and I feel that you've got the benefits of that new zoning, but didn't fully offer the expectations.

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If you will that the community design plan the secondary plan, we're looking for here, I take the point that at the moment and in the foreseeable future, is not likely to happen at this location, but it is an evolving location in the end, the conditions that I'm putting forward today, I guess the first thing I want to ask- is that you are fully aware that these are conditions that I have asked for, and so there's not that's, not a surprise. Today. I just want to be sure, with help out other possibilities that that's that's clear.

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Yes, we saw them yeah. Thank you. What, in the end, then, would you describe? How do you characterize your unwillingness to adopt those suggestions at this point? Is it commercial that you feel, let's picture, that these units be built with the ramp as opposed to without one from the outset, and that they'd built be built without the latticework and sort of height of gates, staying below the limit I oppose?

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Are you concerned that they may not sell if it is mandatory that they be built from the outset as sort of fully live work, as opposed to modify it later?

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Well, first of all, like I, think it's been been addressed and stated that even without the ramps re-live work units meet the fully meet the accessibility requirements of the city. The ramps are an addition that we are offering two above and beyond the requirements I'm going to let very discuss some of the aspects with respect to design, but I guess in reviewing your three conditions. From the outset again, we have looked at this building on a very comprehensive basis.

B

If the ramps are needed by any user, they can be provided, but by putting the ramps in in the first place and ultimately, possibly not requiring them, we think it's a degradation of the streetscape that we're proposing right now and it it does have an impact on that streetscape.

B

Second of all, and with all due respect, I, don't think. I have ever heard a member of staff or council suggesting a motion that we should limit the height of vegetation.

B

I know there are aspects associated with site, planning and safety issues that set there that are addressed by the police during the site plan approval process, but I am shocked to hear something that would suggest limiting the height of vegetation in an urban setting. Unless there were issues related to safety and to your third point, we are providing lowly wall, fencing and ornamental broad iron railing fencing on top of that which will be transparent, is below the four feet height. The gate is below that. So we are already meeting two to that criteria.

B

But and as I say, let there you speak to it. The other two points we just see right now as being totally contradictory to the atmosphere and the elevations that were trying to create from the get-go. If you have any, if we just pull up a slide for there, I think councillor bleh when he was under questioning the image that was used in mr. dances presentation.

B

You know openly asked the question: is this not seeable for the ESA's of operating quote down one one and I guess what we've been asked to do is to balance between two things live and work, and everything that the conditions that I've seen all basically speak to just live at work and or retail.

B

These are lots of there's lots of examples around, so everything Watson would work on Centrepointe Drive, where basically one side isn't is raised up and the other side is accessible. These examples of bridgehead in West Bell, which the council weeper would know well stepped up in small wall Starbucks in the middle of councilors award and third Avenue, with a raised role in private area Rosy's, which has a gated front under the notion that what we're proposing slipped the image of above our actual proposal, we I, think actually contrary what Mr Dan says.

B

That looks pretty attractive to me. If I'm operating business over there and or a boutique retailer, the notion that I have a small security area allows me to operate those for live as well as work, but if I'm running a boutique wine bar hora I'm, actually going to have to gate that area to get a liquor license. So to me, um I understand what the council's trying to do. I just find an incredibly subjective and trying to direct design when, in fact, I know I'm supposed to be a designer to me.

B

That looks like it's actually addressing the street. What we're missing in all of this is that the building is facing echo Drive. So it's the side. It is an unusual situation with a staggered front. We actually staggered it, so it would address Main Street as an inclination. So there's simple comments: I just find the conditions, overly overly subjective.

A

I'm so council leaper and then blame anybody else want to ask questions. Council Shrivers! You want to ask questions. No, okay, I'll, add you chapter council break: go ahead, counselor big.

B

A

Okay, perfect I'll cancel a.

B

Thanks just so I'm I'm understanding on quit, there is another door, I presume off of echo that provides accessible room to Evan. Is there some kind of central Lobby? Yes, the main access to the building is off of echo and all the units have access to the lobby, okay and so for others using the computer apologize. Can you go back to the other, though? What.

A

Did you say just.

B

Go back to the other, I was apologizing to the computer user or making them switch back and forth. Actually the slide, but I like that hasn't been shown yet as the the one that shows the that one. The slide number three that the diagram it shows, the terraces and their orientation to the whole building yeah and when you call them terraces, I. Think of a terrorist like a balcony. I presume, that's not necessarily what it is right now. This is that grade.

B

We have two steps up and as I say, if you look at each unit there's three units, they have the terrace in front of them that has a lonely wall, landscaped area and a fence and a gate. They are accessible the main street and, to your point, an entrepreneur running a live work unit there. These these, these terraces or areas, provide a quasi private lobby space for the the unit. They still interact very well with the streetscape.

B

So on this image, that's the the brown, the shaded area, Reza yeah, and so would it be permissible to enclose those in the future? No, so they must remain open.

A

Is there no mechanism that you can apply for if you wanted to do that.

B

You could apply for it. You'd have to go through the condo board, you're, changing the exterior, the building, etc and I think this has to be stressed, and- and this is a minor point but I think it's a very important point. This is a condominium building, so these people will be purchasing this unit, whether they're living in it live working in it or if it's a retail unit, the marketplace, generally speaking on retail uses, does not purchase their unit they rent.

B

So even if there was a retailer which we don't believe there is out there, that's looking right now or in the future. Just because of the way this street is set up, a condominium does not afford itself well to lend lend itself to that type. I think I think we can't stress enough about the fact that this is a different component of Main Street than the area south of the Queensway.

B

The area south of the Queensway you, the city, redesigned put in lay by parking, has units with with domicile and EQ that have retail units as described on the street in a very different setting than we have at this end of the northern end. We have, as I say, can't stress enough now on street parking. We are totally separate from what's going on south of Hawthorne.

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Mister spelling Waymon cancer, nispom men, let them go okay,.

B

I'm just a quick question, so using your various experience and expertise, can you estimate what the cost would be if a subsequent owner of a condominium or Kern owner wanted to change the use to live work and put in a lab, as required in the site plan right now, just rough estimate of what would be involved with that 59 bucks.

B

Okay, said, then, if any of its ashphalt or whether it's sandstone or you know how, how rich that material is, but just assuming that's this slab on grade, it's not a it's not talking about substantial expensive and the objection in terms of putting this at the outset is more aesthetic than it is cost oriented. Is that correct, absolutely petra dies? Emotions live according market bill, toes which we guarantee with marketers both the same time.

B

Then it's gotta be attractive as a res use as well as your artwork, because that so I guess I'm left and maybe as a question to staff, which maybe I can ask now right.

B

I mean it strikes me that in some ways, if we're trying to be sensitive to the needs of the community when some way in the worst of both worlds, so the applicant has two steps and doesn't want to change that there is an accessible entrance, but now, in the site plan we're requiring that any future live work owner, go beyond the accessibility, Oz of the province and their the second grant and I.

B

That's why I'm just trying to sort out is: what's the policy rationale for that, and if that portion would be removed in the site plan, I mean, if that, if that's a barrier, if the 1500 bucks or the 2000 bucks or something is a barrier to some live other working it and there is an accessible entrance already and I, don't want to denigrate the importance of accessibility. But why build in a second requirement above and beyond the one accessible entrance? That's already there! So what I'm saying and right? That's a question of stuff.

B

Why does staff feel that that provision needs to be in the site plan?

B

Madam chair, that condition was put in with discussion with the applicant through the counselor's office, and it was a condition that was agreeable upon with everyone to be quite honest as a as a means to try to address this community concern. No one disagreed with that. Everyone was agreeable to it and that's why it's in there I fully appreciate the councillors point that he's making, but that was part of the discussion between the applicant and counselor's office and something that we agreed on. Okay,.

A

That's that's a great question because I hadn't thought about that. So if the I don't know how many people in the community had this concern, but if it wasn't raised to the counselor's office, you have been satisfied and it would have met the excessive there needs of Ontario. Had we can go back to the picture of the the front door.

A

Yeah, but that wide open space with large doors would have suffice to meet the AODA standards. As the.

B

File leader I would have taken direction from the accessibility Advisory Committee, and they did acknowledge that the setup without the ramps was indeed accessible. So that is a possible scenario of where this could have landed. All.

A

Right does anybody have anything else if no I don't have anything else on offense, for that is the cancer. Miss Burrell is a very good play about up there on us I'm going to go back to councillor mischenko. Thank.

B

You very much and I do want to acknowledge that we've maintained a cordial and professional dialogue throughout this, which isn't always the case I have to say and 177, hopefully, I'm, okay, just slip that one in in the end is. Is this just as my semantics? Is it just subjective? Some could interpret it that way. I do take that point that it might be seen that way to me. Really.

B

It is about trying to ensure that Main Street, which is evolving this section of Main Street, with that most of Main Street, is evolving right now it is getting denser.

B

It is becoming more and more of a true Main Street, with mixed-use buildings with retail and the community and I are concerned that every loss towards that truly engaging Main Street sets the bad precedent that someone else is I'm going to try to go even further, so isn't that this one goes that far away from moving away from that, but the next one might point to it and as much as we always hear, there's not supposed to be precedent. Everyone tries to use it and answer. That is a concern.

B

Is this location likely to have retail at the moment? No as I said not in the near future, but let's keep in mind the density just around this building is quadrupling at a minimum there, where there were little old, pre-war and post-war homes on Big Lots. You now have 60 unit, you know townhouses and and four-story buildings just off of Greenfield next door. That is a trend. That's going to continue and it's not a bad thing, because it will in fact stop the Glass Works beauty salon from shutting down because there isn't sufficient business.

B

So what I want to prevent is taking a step that later will regret. It's a shame. We didn't at the time make sure that this was fully engaged with the street and accessible and impose on a future owner the cost of making those changes later.

B

So we see the density coming, there's going to be a new protected crossing of kornel by Drive right to this location and new bike tracks right to this location. So there is the possibility of people coming off corner by Drive and saying in the future. Oh look: there's a coffee shop right there protected crossing, certainly not the case now with granola buy drive to the point of the fifteen hundred dollar cost.

B

I guess I would just say I'm trying to get to concrete steps in front of my house on Seneca repaired and I haven't been able to get a quote under four thousand dollars all summer. So if you've got someone who can do it for 1500, please let me know that's trying to get a little humor out of this, but I don't.

A

B

People laughing, we no I, find it hard to think that it's going to be as little as that with any time I've tried to have repairs done even on my own home.

B

So in the end these are coming forward. They may appear subjective they're, about visibility of the buildings of the unit's about about making sure they can easily be accessed fully accessible to someone coming off the street because picture yourself, you are coming down the street, you say: oh, there is an account. Oh there's, massage! Oh there's a won't, go dental clinic pick another! You know live work, type of type of scenario, I'll just step in.

B

Oh no I've got to go around the building, find the entrance to echo Drive press the buzzer get led in and then make my way through. Imagine yourself in a wheelchair, with a walker someone for whom that wasn't an easy and easy walk up, or for whom, when you see it you're thinking instead, public access here can I. Just walk in you know.

B

Is this private that I need to make an appointment and so that in the end, that's what I in the community are trying to do and that's the conditions in front of you are attempting to to do, which is to maximize the Main Street character here on Main Street, so I hope you will support councilor libros motion. Thank.

A

You, mr. Cherenko, so yeas and nays on the councillor mishchenko /lu promotion, the height of the vegetation, the must be an lamped from the beginning, no matter who web site or works there and any fencing your gates. We installed to ground our inner units, I think yeah. That's it. Okay, so accounts for blame. No.

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For brockington no cancel rally: councillor kucheng, no cancer; here; brain cancer Reaper; yes, cancer, whispering no cancer; cabbie, no dice you're chaining myself, man.

A

Snoring, one and final report is amended and no time report unimportant, not a minute. No chapter come in Mahina. We already had that in a table like protective amendment that was put on until the very very early just that I baptized information, okay and then on the report as amended. Okay,.

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Thank You, counselor and Schanker for doing the best to represent your people, as you always do.

B

Great okay, good, so we'll carry on with item number six. If I can get staff to put up and there's a couple of pictures that go along with this item. It's a zoning bylaw amendment 401 and for 11 of corks Town Road.

B

We do have some delegations speaking today.

B

So at this point, I'm going to call our first delegation in Kentucky, chair of the Transportation Committee of Crystal Beach Lakeview, Community Association,.

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mister, ladies and gentlemen, dead.

B

Just for wanting out, you have five minutes and the authorities are indicated 30 seconds it's getting close I'm.

A

Here representing the Crystal Beach Lake, Community Association, remember of its executive as well as chair of the Transportation Committee I'm, also representing the Association on the natural environment, stewardship committee of the Ottawa Carleton Wildlife Center. In the springtime you noticed, the sign posted on the quarter note indicating a proposal for a bylaw amendment for Less included parks to the Association executive.

A

Our president herself met with the executive director at Wesley, quiver and staff to build on the existing relationship with them, discuss the proposal request from them participation in a public meeting for the community to better understand and share opinion on the project of all the proposal was still into revision. At that time, witless staff was ongoing. We left with the mutual understanding that they would endeavour to give us three weeks notice before the mission came to Planning Committee for us to collaborate on a public meeting.

A

Regrettably, we received 10 days of notice, no reading occurred and an opportunity for any legitimate community input and collaboration was lost both to westerly Park in our community. This insane points to a deficiency, in our opinion, in the planning process at City Hall. To quote the committee document. The city considers Planning Committee as the public meeting. That policy, in our opinion, is misguided and unacceptable. This flawed process should change absent a true public meeting and in spite of written comments today in the document, the community misses the opportunity to share its opinion.

A

Its ideas and concerns and City Council misses the input of its citizens on important projects. Democracy is not well served by this, and we would there be further action if the new counselor to change this, not only point before you, staff has located the site as green belt will adjacent islands designated green valve employment and institutional area. The report also emphasizes that the principal concern with this proposal is around the traffic disruptions and flows associated with the planned theater. Yet on its Northside 401 courts.

A

Town is immediately adjacent to core Natural Area, the highest designation of the land in the green belt, as well. A significant portion of natural link area, the second highest designation on its west side, there's a natural environment area, the neighbor tech, drawing from June of 2016, shows a tributary water course exactly through the concert site and another Water Course adjacent to the site, and sadly the best the report can do is say it's unlikely to pose any negative effects on the adjacent properties.

A

We're talking here about the green belt, the ultimate jewel in the crown for national capital green space when Leslie Chloe was given permission in 2015 for the Shania Twain concert. Why is there no requirement for the environment impact assessment, pre or post concert? What was the environment impact of that concert? What will be the impact of several multi-day concerts of 25,000 people each every year? Should that happen? We are told that 5,000 is the proposed number for future concerts. From the city's point of view.

A

They also told the 25,000 over repeat days is what promoters to make it profitable. 20:19 appears to be the slippery slope. Why are you not requiring the appropriate environmental impact study for the concerts in 2019 unlikely to pose any negative effects on adjacent properties is not good enough.

A

Wesley kohler parks proposal is only the latest threat to the fragility of a Greenbelt having goodie drive. We already have the stresses and the damages done by the bus, rapid transit, the upcoming LRT and light maintenance and storage facility, DMD construction, with the loss of significant numbers of trees in the individual image of wetlands, with significant ecosystem degradation several times by persons unknown immediately adjacent to this property. Under consideration. Not only do we have to preserve the wetlands and the environments, we already have to rehabilitate them.

A

It's only that hiring harder to preserve these precious lands as storms get more severe in frequent and demands for development getting louder and louder. The people of our law have spoken strongly by their actions that they want government to be more to protect. What we have here, 30.

B

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Green belt is not NCC and/or city, land, RVCA, Lana's island. You have a responsibility, we're citizens of our law to work collaboratively with other governments and agencies of government, the more fully protect and rehabilitate our Greenland. Please take the opportunity to strengthen the requirements of the city of this proposal. Don't just assume the NCC is going to take care of it, because that too, is not good enough. Thank mr. chair for having had the opportunity to address the committee right.

B

Down to the second you've done this before, and is there any questions? The delegations and I have some questions on how to staff later on myself, councillor Nussbaum good morning, and thank you for coming up. Could you just explain a little bit how this application is going to affect you mentioned a couple of natural feeder natural features, the watercourse. Can you explain a little bit more? What what is the worry in greater detail about how more concerts is going to impact on those futures, but.

A

If this is absence of knowledge in terms of the public record of what specifically is going to happen at the theater, we know that there is no building structure that is planned. These will be temporary structures. We know from the diagram from Nova TAC that there's a small tributary coming from the West into this area and ultimately feeds into ditches adjacent to the trans-canada trail, often to Stillwater, Creek and so on.

A

So our concerns are what will happen if the specific construction, what sort of elevation of rain changes, what sort of infrastructure changes that they have to be in creating the base for this concert area? We understand that a person at Wayne concert there is significant damage post concert. You know obviously some sorts of repair we're done.

A

We don't have enough information, that's where the absence of public consultations, where we can see the diagrams talk with the people interact with them as to concerns that we have, as well as the whole holistic approach of what happens with the Greenbelt. We've had some success actually with stage 2 LRT in dialogue with them, when they're preparing for the LRT extension to MIDI. There's big interactions, there has been changes of plans has been evolution.

A

Of that we're not very we've, got other concerns, but dialogue and collaboration works and, unfortunately, because this is about an area that is governed by overseen by in some respects, different governments, different agencies of government, the lack of collaboration, the silo effect that goes on here, where there isn't enough openness and communication is damaging to not a the Greenbelt, but to the relationship with the community is associated with the Greenbelt.

B

Great to think of that I look around the table. I don't see any further questions for the delegation. Thank you for coming out today. Thank you. My next audition I hope I pronounced an innate Alex : Alex Cullen, hair fair. If you can come for president balcony of this association and just I, don't have to warn you this apartment, it will maybe because of you I, don't know, but that.

A

The rule exists, that's.

B

It but that you do have five minutes, sir, and yet the floor starts when you stretch thinking.

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Wait till we get it up. Please.

A

Let that one there for this one yep and can I have the mouse. Let's move it along. Okay,.

B

And I just click.

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A tool too long.

A

Okay, Thank You. Mr. chairman, thank you remember. As a planning committee, my name is Alex Cullen and the president of Bell town leaders, Association we're in the western Nevada, ah were located between Britannia Park and Andrew Hayden Park, the other river on the north and Carney Avenue. In the seven members of the belt, our neighbors Association became aware that the resilient changes proposed for NCC lands released by resident clover parks. We were dismayed that the NCC did not call public consultation with respect to this proposal, either.

A

June 13 and no German in Belltown residents unanimously agreed to express our concerns over these proposed zoning changes in the national capital Greenbelt as well. We are aware that there are other, can be associations. Environmental organizations also concerned about the potential impact of the was the Cova proposals for these Greenbelt lands. Their zoning applications involve building an outdoor theater facility, a childcare center which, in our view, are inconsistent with the Greenbelt master plans, primary role to protect the natural environment, Maghrib own master plan policy, prohibiting federal facilities.

A

Your own official plan, you see the bubble here in the presentation, says: policies for the Greenbelt in the Official Plan implement provisions, the Greenbelt master plan prepared by the NCC I'm trying to move up there we go and then we have a small delay. Mr. chairman I hope we're not doubt these seconds, while we're moving on.

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A

Poppin next one one- it is thank you so we mean about master plan, contains six references to non federal use of lands and was it clear. The park is a non federal use of lands. So you see here bolded all facilities, federal non-federal will be encouraged not to exceed and where possible, reduce the land footprint that supports those structures in Chapter.

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Four, the strategic statements focus of federal facilities, while discouraging non-federal facility development on Greenbelt lands back on four point: two Greenville vision statements do not allow new non-federal facilities and things out existing facilities over time. Minimize infrastructure intrusions in B, don't in Chapter five, a plan designations, non-federal lands, one whose footprint will be reduced over time to reduce the impacts and other Greenbelt rules in table five point: five: there's a listing of policies to apply to non-federal facilities and operations.

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Remember, non-federal facilities to those currently existing within the Greenville prohibit new facilities are new sites, the prohibited activities, no expansions of major at non-federal facilities, no new facilities on the site, so the destruction of these new facilities would mean a reduction in green space in to be built and involve uses. That may be better provided outside the being built to suggest that the singular uses associated with missing activities only begs of question aware those users should stop and lens pastor to the principle counter to the principle of protecting Greenbelt from development.

A

The proposal to permit an outdoor feet on the site to accommodate Bishop 5,000, potentially 25,000 people is wholly out of scale with this site and conflicts with the greed that uses our experience of going back to this Shania 20 2015 event for these concerts was awful. There was insufficient parking. There is no public transit. The site was a mess afterwards. The experience of those attending was often we heard about an area and a meeting, so not what the Greenbelt is supposed to be use for.

A

There are other locations of accommodate concerts of this magnitude with respect to the Charter. Some have been proposed, a part of them corks on road. This would involve the construction of another building on the screen website, leading to further loss of Greenbelt. Last two development there are other locations outside the Greenbelt.

A

The committal accommodate a child care center, therefore, were asking that this planning committee reject this application to use own lands of 401 for 11 corks down the road, so that we can continue to preserve green space and be consisted with the primary goal master plan, which is the protection of the natural environment, particularly with those be built master plan policies govern non-federal use, degree boat lands which do not allow new non-federal facilities to be built. These would be new facilities, runs counter to the planet, to the policies that are embedded official plan.

A

We have to take any questions. Mr. chairman,.

B

135 seconds, thank you very much. Mr. Cohen American grand councilor Lieberman says what has the NCC said. Yes, they're the stewards of the green belts yeah now in the best position, redetermination to determine how it should be used, moving forward and.

A

Well, there should be bound by known policies. We wrote them on this matter and it works back on ice. Let us say neither why is least she wasn't cocoa park, that's their planning application and, of course, if we're going to change our policy, we would hold a public meeting. We were not satisfied with that response. We intend to follow up with our MP, because the policies are very clear: six references in the master plan and that master plan is part of your official plan, but the owner go through the SEC, the SEC punched. Basically, okay,.

B

And a lot of staff about that as well things out cancer gathering.

A

Thank You Ellen mr. chair mr. Kollin. Thank you for your presentation this morning. In.

B

Terms of the you and the previous delegation spoke about damage to VA, because the Shania Twain concert continue to provide benefit to explain that what damage is taking place yeah. It.

A

Turns the bin space into a muddy field. So just what is green there and glass there before became mud, the because there's only one major entrance off corks, Town Road at 4:01 onto the site, the parking facilities were totally inadequate. The parking spot out on the road took ages for people to exit the facility, but the day after it was a mess that is when I was what was reported. Thank.

B

You for that, but the damage to the field so to the class here was a repair that's about accurate, but.

A

I can't speak to repair, they were covered, but this is not a use that the wing belt was designed for I take classes in there for cross-country skiing. Obviously that's winter and we use the trails. That's recreation use is the former European Equestrian Center, so you're, taking advantage of the rural aspect of the site by putting up outdoor structures by having these kind of events. That is not consistent with the Greenbelt in terms of promoting the environment. This is an urban activity.

A

Having a concert like that, you have the community entire place just down the road that, presumably in a few years, will be vacant when did regarding thoughts. There are lots of other opportunities other locations to hold these kind of urban events in a rather than have it intervene by setting so.

B

The horse show that's held every year in the recipe required. They.

A

Accommodate that, but that is they have a built infrastructure there they're able to handle the parking. You don't see the parking spill over on corks, Town, Road they're, using facilities that are in place and, of course they look after the base base. Afterwards, we don't have a complaint about that. That's been going on for a long time as using existing facilities. You're talking about a new use and the new belt master plan is very clear about non-federal use of land no new uses. Their expectation is to limit to reduce, to eliminate non-federal uses by.

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Hello, mr. Colin, that was.

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The question that I asked by my colleague mr. Lieber of that dmcc, so that's part of their bucket right in terms of that I'm trying to get at this point if the events are being held already there until your course show, for example, and the damage that the Shania Twain concert mill caused previously has been repaired.

B

So I don't see where your so.

A

Mr. mr. counselor, have you just look at the screen there, so let says here limit non-federal facilities, so those currently existing. So that's the horse show no.

B

No I get that mr.

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Prohibit new facilities on new scientist richer, so the outdoor sent the others great.

B

Thank you very much for that. Do you have any further questions for the delegation considerably.

A

Thank You mr. vice chair mr. :. If there's an existing Squealer day case under right.

B

There for 11 men I'd been up there visited the kids are getting to learning all the environment they're getting to walk the trails. Another thing so I'm not quite sure why you're.

A

Objecting to bring more kids in without experience, neither song I'm, the former chair of the campsite, Authority I'm, know very well: the facility harvest not a childcare facility, it's a field house and not a no duty, uses it from the winter I intended to teaching them against them. It's going to be one of the new kids learning and that's great, but when you're talking about initially building on sight that you have to have food services for child care center, I'm, sorry, that's new development, new uses.

A

The policies here clearly prohibit new uses, so is there is another place for the childcare facility for daily programs. They have the put the facilities in place, but if you put in a new building that you are eliminating green space, it was counter to these policies. Would you well? Maybe you wouldn't.

B

Agree with us, but I think most people would agree that, since the city has withdrawn from the care the site and turned it over to what sir clover it has been simply amazing the work they have done with all the facilities in there the burns they now got world-class equestrian events back there.

A

I think the investments been fantastic. I was a recently within stolen bad.

B

Houses which is probably going to do more for reducing our mosquito population than any other evident across the city, so I'm, sorry, mr. : I think what they're proposing here is they're good prior community I believe we are still protecting the Greenbelt and I think we're also trying to do something or I should say: what's the Cobra, we shouldn't take credit for this. What they're proposing here is also going to bring more people into the area and know, learn more about the environment and why it's so important to protect the Greenbelt so.

A

Let me draw the line in terms of the issue of uses. I mean this is so you have an outdoor theater, so maybe you want to continue to go with it. Maybe you want more washrooms to go with it and up step by step by step, you lose green space. There are other places for in a concert, other places for a charter facility. The policies cleared No mmm non-federal uses. This is a non-federal use. They go to the bottom line.

A

It was a total park, not in the public interest in protecting green space in the be mail easily. Also did you come down by the park play today.

B

Or did you condemn on ok cancer I'm going to ask if there's any quite distant art and enter into debate? So if I could ask if it counselor counselor? If I can ask you just to remain with the questions for delegation, if it can be concise in response, we do have other delegations as well can certainly and.

A

This I think will be the last question. If you can down by the Parkway today, as probably many people did, you would have seen where they had Blues Fest. That was a.

B

Mud pit, as you described the day after the concert when you go by today or the.

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War at Matthews we, mr. :, maybe someones, got tarnished my cocktail. Toast came to speak now. We know why that rules, the greed space at the but can say. Can you get to your question for the delegation just making a point that which what was the question just say? The delegation can answer I want to see if he had seen that clearly he hasn't. So it's the exact second, so so honest is so to the delegation I'm going to stop at this line of questioning that's entered into debate now.

B

Do we have questions for the delegation at this point place seeing them? Thank you very much for coming up mr. :. We do have next on board Treece Academy. True second compose.

B

Hence, cotton. You have a five minutes of the resource. Thank.

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You and I used to stay within the five minutes. My name is Teresa Cavanaugh I'm, the resident of Belle town and on the candidate for City Council, for they Ward I'm here supporting my community associations and residents in Bay Ward in opposing the development in Greenville, particularly proposal for an outdoor theater and childcare center in Wesley Clover Park on cork, stone Road in the Greenbelt, the national capital Greenbelt is precious to many residents, not just they would, but across the city.

A

It preserves green spaces and provides important recreational activities and the reef from ottawa's urban area. To quote the NCC Greenbelt master plan, the Greenbelt was conceived up and continues to be a tangible expression of the federal government's desire for a capital of outstanding character and beauty. The Greenbelt enhances the unique identity of Canada's capital region and, as the urban area grows, the green belts role in defining beautifying and conserving nature in capital, for the benefit of all Canadians will continue to grow in importance.

A

The Greenbelt provides residents of Canada's capital region with many quality of life benefits that will benefit and continue to be important and expected to be even more important in the future for more people and increase recreational and economic activities as the urban matrix evolves and intensifies. The Greenbelt significance will increase and become more important to residents and visitors as a place of nature, recreation and agriculture. This master plan needs the commitment of our leaders and citizens so that the Greenbelt can continue to grace the capital for the benefits of the present and future generations.

A

I ask that you show leadership and vote to oppose this development in West overpack. Thank you.

B

Retire. Thank you very much for the presentation today. Do you have any questions there delegation seem long. Thank you very much for coming out today. Thank you very much. Next we do have the applicant Greg winters in turn: speeds specs, specs. Forgive me.

B

If you have presentations are going on earth, yeah monotone can grant.

B

Clint yeah bad minutes good morning, my name is Greg winters I'm, a senior project manager, an urban planner for Nova Tech I'm, here with Karen sparks, who is the executive director for Wesley over parks. So what we're here today for is. Thank you very much for this opportunity. First, off it's an exciting project. It's an exciting facility, as councillor Hubli was was talking about.

B

They've got a lot of great things was the clover has been nothing but an exemplary corporate citizen in bringing new facilities and new events to this site that are benefiting the community in the city as a whole.

B

What there seems to be a lot of confusion today and in the past him some of the discussions we've had with the community associations when people have called me with this application and that they seem to be thinking that we're actually applying for some new use, we're spending a significant amount of time today talking about the green belt master plan, as if we were applying for an amendment to that process. In fact, we're not the NCC has been and continues to be embraced in this project throughout they've.

B

Actually come to the City of Ottawa they've had meetings with city staff to explain the proposals and, what's significant to note here, is that the resident of the parks, ami NCC, have worked together on a process where they have obtained a federal land use approval in 2013, which amended the green things based master plan to allow these specific uses to happen in principle. Subsequent to that- and this is all in line with the lease agreement that they signed with the NCC that allows them to use these uses.

B

So the for school, the equestrian uses expansions to this facilities. Improvements to this facilities, the addition of soccer field, zero, athletic facilities, the funny ones all these things have been contemplated since day, one in the lease agreement, when was a global parks, took over this facility, both the equestrian park and the campground.

B

Subsequent to that now, the NCC has actually given an another approval to this, which is a federal land, use approval for a master plan for the save, which has been included as a document in the planning rationale that I wrote, which shows conceptually all the uses that are going to occur in this site and again we're including the FIFA soccer field, which has been constructed.

B

The five soccer fields that have been constructed now that are being used by West Ottawa soccer club, as well as the forest school, which is not a facility at this point in time. But it's a use that children are walking through the woods on existing trails and a campground. So what that master plan does also contemplate, for is the potential to construct some extra facilities. There is the contemplation that we're going to be building a force fuel some point in the future.

B

We don't know how big how large all that we do know is that if it is to be constructed, it would be constructed in the already disturbed area of the campground location, so it'd be within that where the existing buildings and structures currently are and services are currently existing for sanitary and water to that site. We are so before we can do any these things have to go back to the NCC again and seek another federal land use approval. They cannot put a shovel in the ground.

B

We cannot do a work on this site without seeking a federal land use approval each and every time we go to do anything. In addition to that, with city staff, we have to apply for a site plan application for the site. There is a holding provision- that's contemplated in the zoning bylaw that if we are today that building we're gonna have to come in and do an environmental impact assessment and the environmental impact statement to show that what are the proposed structures we build on the site are not going to impact the uses.

B

What we're really here today for is to turn a page on something that has already occurred on the site. The zoning is in. The zoning does not accurately reflect the uses as they occur in the site today and they're, not in perfect alignment with the NCC's policies and the approvals that have been given. What we're seeking to do is to change the zoning amendment to add the users to bring them in alignment, so we keep using the terms of theater everybody.

B

That's called me today keeps thinking that, with building a multiplex we're not building the multiplex, this is a Napier venue. We built a gravel pod in 2015 for the Shania Twain concert. It was constructed in accordance with review through the NCC we received, a federal land use approval for it.

B

We kept everything well outside of the setbacks of the watercourses, so we've adhered to, the 15 metre setback from the watercourses, and that was in consultation with both the NCC and the reader Valley Conservation Authority, the Goblet pad, is the only feature that you will see there. That is going to be for a concert as a permanent feature. That's to hold the stage in its location.

B

Everything else is trucked in and trucked off the site when it's done and and much to the to the discussion that we've been having today I'm at a loss to figure out what impact there was on a grass field was a clover Parks and Ken sparks can speak to this continues to use that inventing facility for their force events, so they actually have field jumping and the horses use deficit.

B

They also grow hay on that spot, so they're, not in the business of destroying or wrecking a facility that they need to actually support their core function of as an equestrian facility. So we haven't had any impact nobody's indicated in the impact and in fact the we had to get a federal land use approval in advance. We had a federal land use approvals in review after the event and the NCC was in attendance during the Shania Twain concert so I'm at a bit of a loss as to what impacts were talking about here today.

B

So I also lies hearing now because I've used that my five minutes but I would like, if necessary, to allow Karen to speak as well.

A

What ways did you lay down penny if men go ahead, can take some things? Everyone and I can speak to the activities that are happening there today, but cordial.

B

A

You want to hear that.

B

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A

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B

Answer engines is anyone have questions.

A

Whether you have some questions, the go ahead, safe use, speak for a couple of minutes and then we'll ask for some questions. Sure I could just add to what good listening and it is a big news. We met with 2015 in concert. There was a minimal damage, a few mud tracks which we prepared in terms of a moment wasn't that did occur in advance and we provided and lands to compensate for habitat loss to the Bobolink bird. So those measures are actively and we monitor them in consultation with a for the consultant tomorrow.

A

Those lands for the bobbling third day, but it's because it was a half years of the Bible and how roots there. And so we big conversation and that's the only really a. We also monitor that so I bonsoir was before and after the concert they were completely unaffected by the 2015 concert and, like I said, there's no major, there's no construction, it will all be outdoor, there's no theater being built or anything it just didn't. Use and I.

A

Think I should speak to the theater users there right now for the five thousand and under we currently have quite a few charity runs and live music. That would happen German equestrian event or du jour charity. Then, a few weekends ago we had an IBC fun name. They raised over 350 thousand dollars for TL. We need theater used to be able to it.

A

I'll continue to continue to allow those sort of things to happen on the property for a major event, we're asking for a two-day I'm kind of a hold for you guys to allow us to to try out the event if it doesn't look out if seed has every right to to not agree to for it to go on it's a third party, it's Live Nation that we're putting on that event. Seed has every right to say no to that event and that's their business.

A

We would like to as the site allow that to happen and from my perspective, if it doesn't work out, if there are issues for the 25,000 or the 20 to 25 thousand dollar concert, we don't want to go forward. If it doesn't it's not a good thing for the city, we don't want to do it. It is important to us, though, to be able to allow the fire up to 5,000 people for live music for aqua charity events and injury. Equestrian events may typically.

A

Okay, cancerous rally that can they just see if he wants to ask questions so we have shui. We have miss bond reaper.

A

Shirttail, that's it okay, so go ahead! Counselor shall we think in heaven chair well,.

B

I was at the concert and just my observation, that was the biggest problem was dealing with the shuttling in and a lack of shuttling in I. Don't think people ever realized that you were holding something as big as a web blocks game and you could have just used the same system through the red blocks use and you would have had what ended up being the main problem. I was able to walk home, get my car and then drive and pick up my family at it after the concert before they could get out properly.

B

So I think that is as much on us as it was on you guys, because you guys didn't know to stand up to the group and say this is not going to work anyway. Aside from that, what lasting problems came out of the show which, by the way, was a good show? Oh, my god, I.

A

Can take that one and I would say we had a bruised ego and some bland effects, but there was no lasting effects to you today and I related to the bottom. Third was completely compensating and I would say, and the density would agree have more habitat out of the 2015 culture than they did before, because we will turn Haley innate in that property which destroys their habitat. Now they have the exact same amout of encourage and that that has not tilt during the mating season.

A

So we have more habitat for the environment and the bottom swallows. We did a study, three short rain and potion airplane and then completely ineffective in terms of members. We have bars always, but as the Viceroy dies, there's the mess, I choose it to our body and, like I said, the numbers are completely unaffected in terms of lasting, effective fail or none. Okay,.

B

So presumably whatever happens next is going to have even less impact going forward, because you had to have learned a lot from that and.

A

In terms of transportation or in the middle of creating a transportation study, there is a net complaining that we'll go through the scenarios of various sizes of events from five to twenty five thousand. To explain how we would deal with that or how to third party that is, the site. Would.

B

Do so and yeah.

A

In terms of environmental, they there's nothing permanent, a second season, tire.

B

Prior to the event, um we're not school, serious I told you something, but, prior to the event, I did point out that the question isn't where the event is it's, where the audience is coming from, and it's coming from across the region which it does for the redblacks games. They seem logical to me to just plug into that same system, but still in the worst case scenario, which is what I think we had.

B

Although people had to wait, it still came out pretty good.

A

Thank you for saying so, but I've done one thing: I do anacondas that are a few significant challenges in comparison to a red-black scenario. They will have to meet that in consultation with planning in the NCC I think their challenges that we believe you can read and study say that would be better a currently in Vegas. Oh thanks.

B

A

I think the best some of the things to that term more problematic where it will be identified through the seat process and it ever expanded seat process, because some of the things that I heard, but in addition to the traffic, we're definitely food and then not enough food washrooms and not enough not to so I think they've. Something about that could be handled through that, but Tom whom I got next to kazran is gone. And then council, reaper I.

B

Think ature I'm just a quick question about time. The forests in nature school is that something that you run it's.

A

A third party cut the child in a tree alliance, say they, then, if you programs and I'm happy to explain what they do not occur. I just had a specific question because in the staff report.

B

It says there is no need for structure a building at this time, but then it also says that when the out the can not if, when what the can relate to expended a care facility to include a building a site plan, control application will be required. The proposed building will not have any other buildable. So are there plans for proposed present or not? Yes,.

A

If you wouldn't mind is giving a unit to explain what the course good guys and I can explain, but isn't it's not mmm and so there's the other four school operated by the child charter. Major lines which are neutralized does two things: they plan conferences and additions, courses that teach about the Foursquare methodology, and they also then be on the Foursquare, which clearly has Scrooge preschool and Families children participating a magical education programs on the site, that's implicated them in partnership with the other district school board and intersect and child services.

A

So that's happening right now. It's utilizing. The odd death in 1960s advocated was dead by the SEC on the property, so they use that and they also use a cabin, a temporary cabinets on-site, not the one that mr. Coleman is referring to. That's for the kind of Nordic say, there's an others and there's another cabin down down through some trails by the existing amphitheater.

A

If they were to expand school is a student that there they would have kind of a fitting facility and their plans their plans, not our plans, but their plans and included a compared one with the other children, one in four kind of infants and preschoolers, and to two years for preschool children and they're getting into details here, but we're talking in a fairly modest reading and because they integrate within the force it's very important to them and to us that it would be environmentally sound. They're gonna get in the built areas of the campground.

A

Furthermore, like regulator to those must be a federal land. Use agreement will supply to NCC for that, so you do have NCC of people in principle of both that building and they both at the for school. But of course we have to go through a three-day on a 40-day for where and where that would occur, then it might occur. So it's a real scenario at this point, but I do want to pay for that in the zoning application.

B

Okay, thank you.

A

Cancer, they play.

B

Thanks I'm, going to lay my cards on the table said the opportunity for a large music festival in a real space is actually exciting to me. I think all one needs that I think this is a great place to host it, but between 15 concert was obviously a bit of a cluster fudge that shakes shakes and competence. We are you going to hire to take a look at the environmental impacts. How are they going to be retained by you? What is going to be their expertise?

B

I understand that you're not going to build like a PGD amphitheater outdoors, but it's a lot of trucks to bring in the stage sound that whatever the potential for things to go wrong is fairly big and I want to know that you're hiring very good people to make sure that you are not damaging the ecosystem around you.

A

So, thank you guys my question and there's two parts that I want to answer that: firstly, I / 2015 was AEG Live and speaking some past experience. It wasn't a good experience for us. We have a name partner that is very committed to both this city and to the site and, furthermore, to their fans. So we feel very confident that they would be able to pull it off and care deeply about that plant experience. So that's that's one thing about a confident in a partner going forward and secondary with regional to do is you need.

B

To continue to work with them on what aspects are they looking at? You know they taking a look at logistics plans and trying to really understand what the potential impacts are for the natural environment around. You is just a quick inventory, I'm curious, for instance, when you did your counts for bonds holders, how he did that work, and you know, were they qualified to do exam yeah.

A

International consultant say what please.

B

Retained it was Golder, Association was actually retained for the work, so they produced a series of reports. There is the the Barn Swallow report. There was the babbling SWAT with the public report, and so it resulted in some approvals from the from the NCC as a result of those reports, and some of that work is actually ongoing today. So something stuff that Karen is alluding to is that because we actually have a footprint in a Hayfield, we're bobbing tend to exist.

B

They have to compensate for the loss about, even though the Hayfield was still there today and it's still being used. They actually made an agreement with the farmer to the south of the 416 417 pardon me, and they reserved an area in there. That's owned with the seed as a recommendations from Gould associates to plant poor, the bobbling to exist in out location and that's going to be contained in perpetuity for it's a 10-year period.

B

If you have an agreement with it five-year period with the option to renew it- and this is all again been lost by the NCC on top of that there's a monitoring program, so Golders has been going out and monitoring the Bobolink to see what the impacts are and that's in line with, with any kind of development application that we do in the city of all the way we're impacting the potential habitat of a species at risk.

B

Now the federal government doesn't consider Bobolink has a listed species, however, we've been calling basically the provincial rules and then some so we're always trying to find the most respectful most advantageous position in order to respect the environment going forward and we'll continue to work with builders in that, in that aspect, they're going to be the potential for things like you know, fire, for example. You know you've got a lot of electrical gear on so it wouldn't have a large outdoor concert.

B

I know of one recent very unfortunate uns in the ward recently or a fire at a site has left. You know a temporary impact in the sand with with respect to the fallout from that in each seat. Meeting I would ensure that whoever is the councillor for the award during the next season will want to take a look and be involved with that very closely. Sorry, I.

A

B

Understand unless time, the sand.

A

And season and the.

B

Best person in the next festival season I know.

A

That you know the turlet Council.

B

But the next councilor I know will want to be heavily engaged, so I would love to make sure that you're bringing their the most detailed reports possible to those seat meetings in order to ensure that all the different permutations and community combinations of things that could go wrong are being looked at from that environmental perspective. Absolutely as we go forward on each of these applications that see it's an iterative process. So there's a huge group of people there's by law.

B

There's fire there's place, there's paramedics, obesity on the table and we dialogue these things for months in advance exactly it was a good six months of back-and-forth dialogue with the C committee to come up with the best operable plan. You know in recognition there were some traffic issues that can better that we don't deny that that's part of the boost you go to that Karen spoke to, but they were lessons learned from that we are.

B

We did a traffic monitoring study, we had cameras up at all the intersections and and worked with that to produce a traffic monitoring report and there's been some very valuable lessons in that coming out of that process, that's going to enlighten us into the next application with seat going for it, so I would urge you to keep them keep Golda involved for for the next several years. Absolutely as that confidence level on the part of the city needs to be restored, it's required by the NCC, so we'll definitely be doing that perfect. Thank you.

B

A

Thank you. Anybody else have questions before I go to cancer right area, okay, councillor Taylor,.

B

Thanks very much madam chair and thank you colleagues for hearing this application. I want to say that we have had nothing in our office, but a productive and positive working relationship with with the Weston Clover Park said Karen and her team, as well as the NCC and planning staff both on this file and on this space. Ever since the assumption of the former city of Nepean in Ottawa campground equestrian park, these lands have been in a state of kind of exciting and evolving iterations and I. Think councillor hubely alluded to that.

B

This site currently hosts sports events. Equestrian competitions, races, runs the cannot ignore discrete Nordic Ski Club, it's also home to the four school we heard about that innovative partnership that provides education in a natural learning environment. One of the long-term goals of the site was always to be able to host country style, music festivals. On the interim on an annual basis and several years ago course we talked about the Shania Twain concert. I want to offer this.

B

As the word counselor in a large measure, the issues experienced at the concert were ones of a learning nature. You know we heard about them: the need for some additional water stations- and you know longer lines- should have been shorter lines. The trip wire issue that we've heard about and counselors really spoke about. It was, you know the ability to get people on and off the site. A lot of learning has been done in that regard, and I would argue that this is not inconsistent with how other large festivals have evolved over time.

B

Blues fest, Jazz Fest, even events such as escapades, which we allow to be held in the city which have and I would argue much more significant impacts on people. You know we managed to be able to work with the proponents to pull off all these events I'm in support of this application.

B

As long as we have the controls that are embedded to Newport that allow for the evolution of the site and a managed in responsible way, but a bit the green space and the impact to the environment, and, of course, if you're concerned about having safeguards and not the NCC, who are comfortable with the application provided at all of the future flute agreements come back to them for approval. You know they are the stewards of that space on behalf of the people of Canada, but this is not an inconsistent use with what is on site today.

B

It's an evolution of the use, that's on site today, you know I would argue that our zoning decision here simply further enables and allows something that is currently taking place on the site to take place in a more formalized way, but it also installs caps and controls on how that can grow over time. You know, despite the need for the staff and the Parks, to develop a better transportation plan and get people on an alpha site. Remember that this site is at the Nexus of the 416 and the 417.

B

It does not immediately abut the residential communities nearby and after the 2023 stage, to completion of the LMS F next door to be a special events, LRT platform at this site, so for an event, space you're going to be immediately served by an LRT platform. You are at the junction of two major highways and with a sufficient, robust transportation plan. I think I think these are all the elements that actually make it an ideal site. The site is appropriate for this type of use.

B

Like any large event, you know, they're gonna have to work receipt to ensure that there's a mitigated impact to this this space and that I would support this rezoning, especially with the temporary cap, is secured by a holding Symba in place to manage the size allowing for the exemption next year for a one-time music festival that can be an opportunity for staff and for their planner and for their consultants to prove the to prove the concept that a larger event can can work well on the site.

B

So I want to thank you for hearing this application today and and allowing this site. If you support this to evolve and continue to grow in a way, that's both responsible to the environment, supportive of the local arts and business community and also takes the piece of green space and actually invites people into it, and we talked a lot about the importance of preservation about green space and obviously sitting on the Environment Committee I'm. Very supportive of that.

B

But one of the very nice things about green space is the opportunity to invite auto ons and Canadians into the space to enjoy it. I know a lot of people who struggled with we don't know, what's going on at West, Luke Lobo parks, but once you get them onto the site, whether it's for an equestrian event or a sarong, they tend to go back quite a lot because they enjoy the site and we enjoy the natural offerings of the site.

B

So I don't see these as inconsistent, I, see them as complementary, and it asks for your support. Thank you, madam chair.

A

Thanks very much thanks very much chair, counselor, okay, anybody else sure I'm.

B

Just a question to staff I'm just curious why the NCC didn't come forward, given that they're the applicant I.

A

Think you, madam chair, we do have a lot of support written in from the NCC during the circulation process that states that they don't have any objections to the proposed rezoning and then support the added uses through the demonstration plan that was provided by Wesley Taylor parks.

A

And it okay, so is only by our amendment, part of 401 and part of 411 corks Town Road. Okay, thank you. Okay.

A

Now we're going on to our last held item, which is the settlement of some appeals to OPA 150 and to that speaking, for that on that is Alam and Bruce Finley welcome.

A

So we have questions on it. First up is counsel Shelley, countering this bomb in Castle, Reaper, okay, sure anybody else have questions on this. The Murray you're here, if you need right.

B

Okay, hold off all the love till you say: go I'm.

A

Just thinking about you know, normally we ask questions after the delegation noise just here to just speak. If we need them to, they have any questions at the industry, though,.

A

We do have a technical amendment ahem and our vice chair is not here, so it's moved by its me by vice-chair tuning where, as a report, this report includes a supporting document containing changes to official plan.

A

Amendment number 150 is part of the agreed settlement of appeals by goba and boma and whereas item 40 in document 1 to the staff report, deals with building notes and where highways buildings may be considered and whereas policy 15 was proposed to be modified to include high-rise as well as hi wives, 31 plus buildings, and whereas further discussions between the parties has concluded that the original purpose of this policy in Opa 150 was to guide the location of buildings.

A

Greater than 30 storeys in height, therefore, be it resolved that the planning committee approve a technical amendment to modify item 40 policy 15 in document 1 to south report, a cs20, 1/8, p, IE, PDP, 0, 4 7 to remove the words high-rise and from the beginning of policy 15 and there's a whole bunch of stuff attached. Ok, that's a technical amendment, so I.

B

Like 44, isn't was going smooth.

A

Almost I didn't do that, though, because I, like you too much people respect you from one side: hey I'll, tell you after your my question at the Ontario Home Builders Association it did. It was respectful, okay, counselor, Shelley and then councillor miss Baum councillor, Luther, okay,.

B

Okay, thank you, madam chair. Okay, I I have always since I first got on council, wondered about the logic of having these things move off into settlements between parties in the city, because it leaves out the public which is involved in every other part of it so accept the settlement. It doesn't make sense to me, but this is what we live under so I. My first question: just generally: what do the developers in this case think they got out of this settlement?.

A

Would be they can't answer for the developers Mary? There's no Mary can answer because I'm pretty pretty sure that personal and I'm not going.

B

To what was your big whim? Clarity, clear.

A

That's a good answer, we're against all who said that, okay.

B

Nobody appeals to get clarity. They appeal to get well.

A

If you're the illegal people, probably like that a lot right. Mr. mark that.

B

Is true, madam chair? What what it's narrated? One of the matters have come up across this appeal and cost other Appeals is where the opponents are seeking clarity with respect to what a sought by the policy.

B

So there was no additional rights or abilities that come out of this. The.

A

Second word that I would provide, would be flexibility, there's some flexibility that.

B

Addresses the concerns that we had that we would have to come back with official plan amendment applications on minor deviations from the policies as they were written, okay, I guess. The next question would be how minor that would be.

A

That would be determined through zoning and site plan processes, so.

B

I can be a larger definition and may be obvious here, so a secondary question I have in Alaska now because it really doesn't fit anywhere else, and that is regarding who the parties were and I know. Some people in my ward are wondering if diamond was one of the parties either as an individual and required application. That's pending or citywide on potential new policy, not okay, I'm, not certain I thought I've been Dimond as in the storage company.

B

Yes, no, they are not any have any status in the open, because I believed that to be the case, but I am asking next so from staffs point of view. What difference will this make in terms of likelihood of projects getting approved on on the highway on a highway basis? So what difference does it make how much more likely less likely in what circumstances?

B

Mr. chairman, what we sought to do here is to describe as best we can in the policy framework, what we're looking for in terms of outcomes and also account for the fact that no two sites are the same and there's still an ability for our colleagues and development review to take the policy and take the intent or policy and arrive at the right answer, based on site-specific conditions when they deal with an application, and hopefully that application is Oni or site plan and not an official plan amendment.

B

So we're trying to eliminate the need for discussions at the policy level. When you come to a side-by-side scenario, where your policy is clear enough that you know what you have to do and you're able to deal with an application based on that, what you need to deal with on a particular site. That's from our standpoint, a ritual planning framework.

B

Yes! Well, what does that? Make it easier to get approval for a high-rise, I, wouldn't say necessarily mr. chairman, it gives you its Beza, where you're allowed to do a high-rise and where you're not where you're not allowed to do a high-rise and that's what the policy framework is selected. It okay, but does it provide counsel with the same basis, to reject an application as as it would have today or it does the desert rejection.

B

Does a rejection get exposed to vulnerability because it doesn't have the same protections of official plan status? That's a difficult question answered mr. chairman. It would depend which designation you're in in the city I mean there's designations in the Official Plan, where you can do a high-rise as of right. By and large, though I mean, this official plan introduces the need for a secondary plan to exist in most cases where you're going above a certain type of is building.

B

So in the absence of a secondary plan you're into a process to amend the Official Plan anyways, but by and large, where you are ready allowed to do a high-rise building. I would say that there is no change. It's pretty much the same approach, it's just spelling that, where you're allowed to do a high-rise and where you're not allowed to do a high-rise, and does this mean there are more places where you're allowed to do a high-rise? In the final analysis, there is not a big difference. Mr.

B

chairman, as it relates to mixed use centers, we know that most of them, if not all, already, are under a secondary plan or as a Tod plan or an area specific policy in the Official Plan itself. So that's one thing that we checked and double-checked before recommending. What's before you today do the secondary plans.

B

Under this scenario, do the secondary plans called the same way as the overall official plan, the secondary plans are adapted under section 17 of the planning acting they remain of the same force, that's just by way of how the Planning Act operates. Mr. chairman, so it's about the Official Plan. So, but that's where we know right. Okay, that's a no well! No, that's less! A secondary plan has the same force as the Official Plan, so the secondary plan limits the height that okay, then so.

B

Does this make it easier or harder for somebody to assemble properties say to properties that are each 200 feet from the main street? Does it make it easier or harder to do that assembly and therefore, does it grant the assembling party easier access to building a high-rise? I would say it does neither neither easier nor more difficult. Mr. chairman land assemblies would take place on again very site-specific conditions and circumstances and I don't think that there is anything that the policy and sense or dissin sense in any different way than before.

B

Okay, then, what's the point of it simply I seem to be hearing that it makes almost no difference so just I'm, not sure which, which particular policy referring to mr. shermin okay, if it doesn't make it more if it doesn't, make it easier to assemble and build high rises within 400 meters, if it makes almost no difference with respect to that, and it makes almost no difference with respect to the secondary plan. What okay so what's gained by us I think perhaps what we are focusing in on here, mr.

B

chairman, is the language in the policy that talks about the arterial, Main Street designation, extending to 400 meters potentially. Is that correct? That's correct, okay! So, right now in the existing Official Plan, we go to 200 meters right for Main streets in general. This addition was to recognize that in arterial Main streets, sometimes there are lots that are deeper than 200 meters, but it has to be an existing lot.

B

So right now, I mean I, can examples along Ennis Road in Orleans, where we have lots that are in excess of 300 meters in depth along the east side of Merrivale south of baseline, where you have lots that are between two and three hundred meters and depths, but those are existing Lots of record they had. They have to be existing Lots of record if you're purchasing a lot that is today under the general urban designation. It keeps that designation.

B

Okay. So even if somebody assembles a property that is then four hundred meters that doesn't fall under it, he would not fall under that. Mr. chairman, okay, all right, that's it for thank you. Cancer, newsmen, Thank, You, chair I'm, two questions, one related to the maximum parking issue.

B

Could staff just characterize how they think what the meaning of those changes are? That would be helpful. Okay, so mr. chairman and the wording that we added basically makes it more explicit I guess you would say that if the city were to introduce new limits on parking that we would want to be sensitive to the context of the a around which those new regulations would apply. So just to back up a little bit, we already have maximum parking provisions around transit stations.

B

Those have been in place since the region of ala Pelton when the transit way was first put in service, so none of those are being affected or touched. We are also not touching our ability to reduce or eliminate parking requirements. This is something that talks about introducing new limits on how much parking you're allowed to provide within the vicinity of transit stations and the language that we've introduced, simply mix that, as the city does, that it would have a regard for the context around which those new limits would be brought in.

B

So let's say that it's a station that won't be built for the next 15 years, we might think of it differently than if it's around a station that is about to go under construction.

B

So under item 83 on parking policy, the proposal is to delete section II I'm, on page 26 of the report, which used to say the city may undertake reviews of the zoning bylaw with respect to parking requirements appropriate to implement the broader goals of the plan. I'm just trying to understand mr. Mack. This may be a question for you.

B

Surely the city can undertake reviews of the zoning bylaw whenever a wishes. So what is the significance of deleting this subparagraph.

B

Madam sure that if they hey that section really is being replaced by new subsection 37, where we've consolidated everything under one clause, so calcium is bombs correct. We retained the ability to review Arizona provisions at any given time.

B

Okay, thank you and my second set of questions which I think we're answered by Councillor. Ali's question about arterial Main streets was 400 meters in some contexts, I'm thinking about, say, Montreal, Road East to cinahl, for example, weather lots are not deep and I. Think I. Would you say a land assembly would not be a way of achieving a larger footprint or a larger depth of those Lots. Is that correct? That's great nurturer! Okay, thank you. I'm finished miniature. Thank.

A

You cancer Reaper.

B

Thanks Nellie I just want to thank staff for the line by line the the black actors are the black line, vision that was extremely helpful in terms of understanding. What precisely has changed. I know: I asked for that in the high-rise design guideline document to get that that never actually crossed my desk to get those precise changes, but in this instance having a black line version of the changes was extremely helpful. My only question was with respect to on pages 24 and 25 of the document.

B

The one thing I didn't understand in this document was you've struck out in section 2 point one-eighty through pocket parking policies, the city may undertake reviews of zoning bylaw with respect arkham acquirements further down, we've added a section under section 84 in order to achieve the parking objectives identified and policies blah blah blah. What is the effect of that change? I. Didn't understand that, madam chair, simply consolidation of the policy into a single Clause, where it flows logically with the rest of the policy. That's all it is so.

A

B

The same thing: okay and it does the same thing- so accomplishes no substantial, meaningful change in in the park. You know it's just cleaning up the order and flow of the policy, okay and other. If I may just ask question to mr. Chan, you mentioned earlier that what the developers are getting out of this is clarity.

B

What were and I do understand. The developers clearly got something out of this. The builders got something out of this. What were the effects about which you were concerned? Had there been a continuing, as you assert lack of clarity? What could have been some of the negative outcomes for builders and then how would those have impacted on residents with respect treated share them?

B

That's not what the clarity provided there was just the language of the policy, sometimes weren't clear to us in terms of what they were trying to achieve and then, through the discussions with staff, we've been able to provide some clarity, so we understand what the policies intended to achieve. They understand so moving forward. Well, on the same page, this is not a. What did you get out of the process? It's not what we got with some clarity on policies which we were unclear on as they were adopted by council.

B

We've clarified some of that language, okay. So what you're telling me is that you simply didn't know what the city meant by some of the language that it was using and now you do in many of their changes. They're made that's exactly the case. Yes, okay, Thank You children. Thank.

A

You questions anybody else, okay, so on the salmon of some appears to OPA 115 I want to thank ya I want to thank you very much for all of your efforts, because it is time to move on. We've got all of our big plans coming up in the next term of counselor and I'm glad that we've cleared the decks of this portion of it. So thank you mr. mark and your team and thank you Marian your team and Thank You Ella and jumpers. We have a technical amendment, Vice Chair, Jimmy,.

B

A

Better guy about it, that's why I'm confused yeah all right so on the technical amendment. Is that carried okay and on me so when descent councilors rally had we're not just any other technical well, then hold your fire okay. So everybody agrees on the Tetra commitment on the report as amended. Okay, perfect now, I have some very good news. Thank.

B

A

Thanks very much: okay I have the same pair and that's but no notice of motion cancel sure, Ally. Okay, it's.

B

Me by myself, where's the plumbing I, provides the ability for municipalities to collect land for parks or cash, and we land for parks at the time of development redevelopment or when we lots created through plans of subdivision or through seven sirs anyway, as the Planning Act provides for parkland or Cashion leopar claim to be collected concurrently with the planning approval or at the time of issuance of a building permit and whereas prior to amalgamation, the for municipalities had different approaches as to when parkland or cash in lieu of parkland was taken and where's.

B

The former City of Ottawa is an urban municipality collected, parkland or cash in lieu of parkland at the time of the issuance of a building permit, and whereas, if for municipalities, bylaws were harmonized, the new parkland dedication by law of inaugurated Ottawa per item for parkland or cash in lieu parkland to be taken concurrently with a planning approval or so plus a plan control plan of subdivision or consent and where's.

B

The this approach does not provide for parkland there cash a new park land to be taken in the absence of a planning approval, therefore, be it resolved that staff be directed to review the current parkland dedication by law and assess whether changes may be suitable to modify the time at which parkland dedication is taken, in particular, for developments where no planning approvals are required that, whether where the use of the land is being intensified via therefore resolved that staff bring back report to committee no later than the fourth quarter of 2019 reporting on the findings of the review, along with recommendations that may be considered warranted.

A

So in a nutshell, do you want to tell us what it is you're accomplished in.

B

A nutshell: we have what over 50 properties, for instance in City View, where development has occurred, which would normally generate cash in lieu of parkland to the city but which did not have to pay cash in lieu parkland because they were created without having to go through that planning approval process, and so they escaped having to pay cash and little park land that everyone else had to pay. That's basically, it lots.

A

Are the 1/2 to 3/4 of an acre something you know they? Houses are 1/2 to 3/4 of an acre built online. Doing okay! Thank you. So that's a minister motion, any employees. Yes, madam.

B

Chair, how will the city expedite building permit application approvals to ensure that houses that have been damaged or destroyed by the September 21st significant weather events can be fixed as soon as possible? So.

A

They'll have some of the accounts on that to me: excellent yeah. Okay, maybe yes can I just get my question on the record, though yeah okay Jake, you have admitted into thanks very much and okay other business. Here's the good news ready! Oh no, the only planning committee meeting scheduled in October is on October noise.

A

Okay, so only having one night over the remember 30 tooth comb, it e we has been canceled. The November 27th planning meeting committee meeting has been rescheduled to November 20th, so by blending the two of them, because we have a ton of work like if you saw the legislative, a list of them. It's not like you know we're doing it for any other reason just makes sense and then December 11th planning committee meeting has been cancelled.

A

Now that could change if situations change, but that's that's we're going to go forward and they're going to send out a survey today. So you can put time 'event square unit, B December 1st, which always says.

B

A

Who knows would be returning.

B

That's what he said and I'm sure you have no idea either. Okay,.

A

He wants to move the motion that we have more than Timbits.

A

Anyway, don't wait for it anyway, thanks everybody, so our next meeting is Tuesday October, the 9th thanks a lot and thanks Derek for filling in.