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From YouTube: Planning Committee – September 11, 2018
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Planning Committee meeting – September 11, 2018 – Audio Stream
Agenda and background materials can be found at http://www.ottawa.ca/agendas.
A
Good
morning,
this
is
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
proposed
comprehensive
official
plan
and
zoning
bylaw
amendments
listed
as
items
one
to
six
on
today's
agenda.
So
the
items
just
mentioned
only
those
who
make
all
submissions
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendments
are
adopted
may
appeal
a
matter
to
the
local
planning
Appeal
Tribunal.
In
addition,
the
applicant
may
appeal
the
matter
to
a
local,
coinage,
Appeal
Tribunal.
A
In
wishing
to
submit
written
comments
on
these
amendments
or
to
sign
up
to
speak
and
a
note
to
the
committee
members
that
counselors
as
a
reminder,
if
you
have
any
motions
on
any
of
the
items
listed
today,
please
send
a
copy
to
us
ahead
of
the
public
delegation,
so
that
committee,
members
and
staff
have
an
opportunity
to
review
and
there's
necessary,
clarify
in
motion
during
the
discussion
of
the
matter.
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay,
any
declarations
of
interest.
B
B
A
A
Right
so
that's
received
confirmation
of
minutes,
minutes,
68
28th
of
August
2018
with
that
amendment.
Thank
you
where
you
going
council
shelling:
okay,
okay,
zoning
bylaw
amendment,
part
of
38,
82,
barnesdale,
vote
and
part
of
3960
green
Bank
Road,
the
only
speaker.
This
is
in
my
area
and
my
ward
and
the
only
speaker
is
he
go
alone
pimento.
A
If
anyone
does
anyone
have
any
questions
of
us,
we
should
go
for
prepared
to
carry
this.
Are
you
still
needing
to
speak?
Okay.
Thank
you
very
much.
Society
canning.
Thank
you.
More
bailing
for
bar
Haven
I
am
number
two
again
is
in
my
area.
It's
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment,
part
of
3640,
Green,
Bank,
Road,.
A
A
C
B
A
Be
it
tomorrow,
tomorrow,
council,
just
the
ways
that
we've
had
that
they've
had
to
incur
for
extra
information
that
we've
asked
them
to
bring
forward
Construction
sees
in
the
norm,
so
Carrie.
Thank
you.
So
you
heard
that
so
item
number
3,
we
have
a
speaker,
Janet
kif,
Macaluso
Ghent,
so
we're
going
to
hold
that
item
inside
number
3,
which
is
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
1795
Montreal
wrote.
Maybe
the
first
item
after
I
go
through
the.
C
C
A
A
A
Remember
five:
is
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
anomaly,
35
wedge
sorry,
Edgewater
Street,
it's
in
Kanata,
south
and
I?
Have
nobody
registered
to
speak?
Is
this
item
carried
Harry?
Thank
you
item
number.
Six
is
the
Kannada
Highlands
or
of
an
expansionary
official
plan
amendment
a
comprehensive
study
report,
it's
in
both
by
councilor
of
Nathanson
and
kill,
sir
Elgin
cherries
area.
I
have
one
speaker,
Julie
Carrera
from
Fulton
I,
see
Kevin
here,
Julie
extend
even
have
any
questions
as
I
did
see
out
of
correspondence
from
both
councillor
Ellen
Terry
and
councillor
Wilkinson.
Supporting
this.
C
A
A
C
A
thank
you
all
dispense
with
the
preamble.
This
is
the
anti
disco
club
part
of
it
therefore
be
resolved.
That
planning
committee
recommend
council
approve
document
to
details,
recommended
zoning
by
amending
and
replacing
section
2b
with
the
following,
add
column:
I'd
call
him
for
the
text,
all
users
accept
office
and
warehouse
and
be
it
for
the
result
that,
pursuant
to
the
planning
out
subsection,
3417,
no
further
notice
be
given
and
that's
I'm,
a
damn
shard.
C
You
want
to
thank
the
representative,
Marie
Chow
working
so
closely
with
the
community
I
think
that
was
a
key
component
to
the
success
at
first
it
appeared
one
thing
and
by
the
end
of
it
it
became
harmonious.
So
thank
you
for
the
great
work
I'm
really
on
that
end
with
the
Wroclaw
homeowners
association.
A
A
Now
we're
going
over
to
Kannada
highlands,
urban
expansion
area
official
plan,
amendment
and
comprehensive
study
report
to
questions
from
Council
early
per
so
who's,
coming
up
to
speak
on
this
11th
Avenue,
okay,
council
Eber,
and
we
also
have
Julie
cólera
from
Fulton,
so
Julie
you
might
as
well
come
up
and
have
a
seat.
Please
thanks.
C
D
C
C
C
So
the
most
they
will
do
is
say,
there's
a
reasonable
expectation
that
the
proponent
can
get
a
permit
based
upon
their
concept
plan,
and
so,
as
the
when
they
the
proponent,
submits
a
plan
of
subdivision
for
the
area,
then
they
will
also
submit
a
permit
application
to
the
ministry
and
provided
that
the
provided
that
the
minister,
the
plan
of
subdivision
and
the
permit
to
the
ministry
are
consistent
with
each
other.
Then
we
would
move
it
Paul's
being
be
equal.
We
would
move
ahead
with
approval
of
the
subdivision
conditional
upon
subsequent
receipt
of
a
permit.
C
C
There
were
no
changes
since
the
M&R
reviewed
the
concept
plan
and
no
reason
to
expect
that
there
would
be
a
difference.
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
It's
a
it's
an
interesting
process.
The
CSR
on
page
11
speaks
to
the
the
fact
that
the
development
will
have
25%
of
housing
affordable
up
to
the
40th
percentile.
It
meets
the
policy
direction
of
the
Official
Plan.
What
is
our
mechanism?
When?
Are
we
going
to
ensure
that
that
is
followed
through
on
Madame
sure?
That
is
a
standard
sentence
that
we
have?
C
It
remains
a
policy
direction
that
it
doesn't
have
the
enforceability
of
a
zoning
bylaw,
so
they
have
put
forward
the
the
CSR
to
say
yes,
we're
going
to
meet
the
Official
Plan,
but
we
don't
have
any
way
to
actually
enforce
it.
They
do
enforce,
we
don't,
but
we
all
obviously
have
data
to
know
what
the
levels
are
in
terms
of
price
for
the
regional
market
area
is
defined
by
the
provincial
policy
statement,
and
you
know
there
can
be
a
comparison
of
how
many
units
will
be
made
available
within
that
price
range.
C
My
best
guess
would
be
at
plan
of
subdivision
when
they're
supposed
to
present
the
the
housing
mix,
okay
and
then
I'm
sorry,
Nick
I
may
need
to
ask
you
to
come
up
again
or
the
EIS
speaks
to
be
the
Builder
responsibility
for
oversight
of
similar
construction
activities
that
might
have
environmental
implications
monitoring
to
make
sure
that
if
they
see
a
species
at
risk
that
their
report
that
making
sure
that
they're
not
cutting
down
the
wrong
trees.
This
is
an
environmentally
sensitive
development.
C
Obviously,
how
what
kind
of
directions
will
go
out
to
the
contractors
who
are
working
on
this
site
to
make
sure
they
follow,
through
with
those
GIS
recommendations,
with
respect
to
monitoring,
typically
with
species
at
risk
and
development
in
the
sensitive
area
and
habitat
for
species
at
risk?
We
require
the
proponent
to
prepare
an
information
package
for
their
contractors,
which
includes
descriptions
of
the
photographs
of
the
species
that
may
be
encountered
on
the
site
and
specific
instructions
on
what
to
do
if
they
encounter
one
of
those
species.
C
The
developer,
we
typically
ask
the
developer
to
have
a
biologist
on
call
who
can
respond
when
the
contractors
run
into
those
situations
and
then,
in
terms
of
other
environmental
impacts,
the
environmental
planner
will
be
monitoring
the
development
and,
of
course,
our
to
planning
one
of
our
two
planning.
Foresters
will
also
be
monitoring
the
development
as
it
goes
along,
and
do
we
get
on-site
periodically?
Yes,
absolutely
do
we
do
any
checks
to
make
sure
that
the
the
subs
have
received
that
information
get
those
information
packages?
Do
we
double-check
that,
yes,
we
did.
Okay,
wonderful!
A
A
B
You,
madam
chair,
my
first
question
before
mr.
Willis.
At
the
time
that
we
reduced
the
fees,
it
was
around
a
discussion
that
there
was
a
ample
surplus
and
the
reserves
I
believed
counterculture
had
identified.
It
was
close
to
like
a
five-year
surplus
in
there.
There
was
no
discussion
about
the
need
to
do
any
hiring
at
that
time,
and
yet
the
most
recent
media
article
on
this
suggested
that
that's
what
we
should
have
done.
Could
you
speak
to
that?
Mr.
Wallace?
That's.
D
Some,
madam
chair,
just
it's
important
to
go
back
and
remember
that
under
provincial
legislation
and
for
Building
Code
services,
the
city
must
set
its
fee
in
accordance
with
the
cost
of
the
services.
That's
what
the
law
says
and
the
city
can't
use
that
money
that
comes
in
for
any
other
purpose.
It's
it's
in
a
segregated
account
under
provincial
law.
We
can't
use
it
for
any,
even
any
other
activities
within
the
planning
department.
It's
solely
related
to
the
costs
of
building
plan,
review
inspections
and
enforcement
activities.
D
It's
actually
quite
constrained,
so
you
know
you
can't
predict
you
over
how
much
activity
you're
going
to
get
and
that's
what
we
have
a
reserve
fund
to
allow
us
to
smooth
out
the
high
years
from
the
lawyers.
But
what
happened
in
the
previous
round?
Is
the
reserves
have
been
building
up
year
over
year
and
there's
a
point
at
which
you
actually
one
risk
of
being
off
side
of
the
potential
law?
D
If
your
reserves
are
too
high
when
you're
sitting
on
five
years
worth
of
reserves,
you
can't
say
that
you're
actually
charging
for
the
cost
of
services
and
one
of
the
things
that
can
happen
is
any
applicant-
can
actually
could
challenge
the
fee
they're
being
charged
at
any
time
saying
it's
not
related
to
the
cost
of
the
service.
So
that's
why
this
city
really
didn't
have
a
lot
of
choice.
You
couldn't
do
anything
else
at
the
time,
other
than
lower
the
fees,
but
we
do
review
every
single
year.
We
review
our
fees
at
budget
time.
D
We
look
at
the
level
of
development
activity.
We
looked
at
that.
We
look
at
the
health
of
the
reserve
and-
and
we
do
that,
our
looking
at
staffing
levels
and
what's
mr.
then,
can
talk
a
bit
more
about
what's
changed
in
the
last
number
of
years,
but
what's
changed
significantly
in
the
last
three
years
has
been
a
big
uptick
and
the
year
over
a
year
in
amount
of
development
activity,
because
the
economy
is
healthier.
You
know
it.
Economy
is
driven
by
confidence,
they
hiring
in
the
public
and
private
sector.
D
All
those
things
drive
it
and
things
have
changed
a
lot
in
the
last
three
years
in
Ottawa.
So
we
have
a
lot
more
volume
and,
as
mr.
Benton
also
tell
you,
with
the
changes
in
the
what's
being
built
more
institutional
buildings,
much
more
many
more
hi
Liza's,
the
complexity
of
what
we're
building
has
changed.
So
I
think
I
needs
are
changing
because
we're
not
hitting
that
size
as
a
city.
D
So
we're
doing
what
we
need
to
do,
which
is
bringing
you
the
recommended
right
now
for
additional
staff
to
deal
with
our
needs
and
we
review
the
fees
every
single
year
and
if
the
health
of
that
reserve
is
not
appropriate,
we
will
recommend
increases
in
the
future,
because
if
the
reserve
drops
too
much,
we
have
to
rebuild
it
with
these
as
well.
So
we
do
try
to
balance,
but
we
don't
have
a
crystal
ball,
but
we
certainly
have
to
be
responsible
or
the
way
we
manage
that
money.
Okay,.
B
E
Yeah,
the
12.
In
addition,
it's
in
addition
to
the
complement
itself,
the
a
vacancy
that
we
currently
have
right
now
we
are
currently
working
on
filling
those
vacancies
right
now
we
have,
and
then
we've
called
a
couple
couple
couple
of
competitions
currently
underway,
and
we
hope
that
by
the
end
of
this
year
that
those
will
be
filled,
it's
a
bit
of
a
constant
battle,
but
we're
continuing
with
that.
E
Over
the
next
ten
years,
we
need
to
put
some
resources
back
into
that
as
well:
additional
resources,
also
in
the
areas
of
inquiries
and
pre-consultation.
That's
an
area
that
we're
finding
is
a
obviously
an
emerging
trend
within
our
business
right
now,
with
more
complicated
building
codes
regulations,
ISM
bylaws
more
like.
B
B
Okay,
that
programs
been
around
for
a
while
morn
been
years
and
I
can
tell
you
that
a
lot
of
experience
with
that
in
the
West
End
and
we
saw
a
fair
bit
of
abuse
or
attempt
to
program
so
I
think
it's
a
good
idea
that
you
do
have
actual
inspectors
on
that
program,
so
support
your
proposal
to
hire
for
that.
One
question
on
these
inspectors
does
this
include
inspecting
the
work
that
utilities
are
doing
in
our
areas
or
is
that
a
separate
inspection
function
because
we're
way
behind
and
not
getting
very
massive.
D
Sum,
madam
chair,
if
I
may
take
that
question,
mr.
Britain's
team
do
not
inspect
utilities
that
they're
under
think
of
the
foundation
and
everything
up
from
that
point
is
in
their
realm
covered
by
the
Building
Code
Act.
So
their
responsibility
is
inspecting.
As
it
relates
the
building
code
act,
we
have
a
separate
development
inspections
group.
D
We
also
have
separate
pavement
inspections,
groups
and
transportation
and
we're
actually
in
the
process
of
doing
a
business
consolidation
where
we
have
one
inspector
do
all
of
those
inspections
right
now
there
are
two
and
it's
a
bit
erratic,
so
we're
trying
to
improve
our
entire
process
by
having
one
do
it
and
we're
hoping
by
the
end
of
2019.
All
of
those
inspections
will
be
consolidated
under
planning
infrastructure
and
economic
development,
but
we're
working
closely
with
transportation
right
now
to
bring
that
forward.
D
A
You
just
wanted
to
say
it
and
have
conversation
with
Miss
Bevan
and
also
with
Cheryl
Johnson
on
a
number
of
opportunities
in
the
last
couple
of
weeks
and
I
know
that
Frank
has
been
working
with
her
to
it's.
Not
that
easy
just
to
get
somebody
and
just
have
people
apply.
There
have
to
be
extremely
qualified
for
these
jobs.
A
Of
course,
they
would
need
to
be,
and
there's
not
a
large
pool
that
she
does
have
a
program
for
building
inspectors,
but
what
she
now
is
looking
at
further
to
our
conversations
and
I
know
pranks
as
well,
is
having
a
like
a
like
a
master
technician
program,
kaboom
that
the
people
congratulate
will
be
at
get
an
extra
level.
So
you
know
part
of
the
problem
over
the
years
and
for
those
of
us
been
around
for
a
while.
A
We
know
that
there's
not
this
ready
pool
that
Algonquin
is
a
leader
in
Canada
in
and
providing
programs
that
equal
jobs
and
skilled
jobs.
The
moment
someone
graduates
like
the
program
we
have
there
with
hydro
Ottawa,
it
is
an
award
winner,
and
so
we
have
linesman
fully
fully
trained
where
you'd
hit
the
street
the
day
and
have
a
job
the
day
that
they
graduate
so
I
think
there's
absolutely
the
will
of
Algonquin
to
continue
to
work
with
us
and
to
address
the
new
needs
that
we
have
correct.
A
C
You
just
very
well
covered
off
my
first
question,
which
was
going
to
be
if
there
was
a
challenge
both
retaining
and
attracting
qualified
talent,
and
my
fear
would
be
as
as
as
good
as
always
doing.
Working
with
our
colleges.
My
fear
would
be
you
know,
we're
sort
of
the
industry
leader
working
with
post-secondary
institution,
we're
attracting
and
educating
helping
to
educate
new
talent,
but
other
municipalities
at
some
point
poach.
C
Our
own
talent,
so
is
there,
is
or
in
addition
to
what's
happening
in
Ottawa
provincial
initiatives
that
recognizes
that
this
industry
has
scarcity
in
the
marketplace
for
this
talent
and
that
we
are
protecting
ourselves
not
just
today,
but
if
we
can
foresee
that
there's
going
to
be
a
shortage
of
qualified,
you
know
employees
in
the
future
that
something
is
being
done
as
well
greater
than
not
or
just
a
brief
comment.
We'll
get
to
my
other
questions
and.
E
E
C
E
Think
it's
very
very
difficult
to
predict
right
now.
The
what
we're
looking
for
is
is
simply
the
the
the
addition
to
the
complement,
so
we
can
start
working
on
it.
There
may
be
additional
trends
and
changes
within
you
know
the
construction
landscape
that
requires
a
regulatory
landscape
to
requires
to
change
a
little
bit,
but
I
think
that
it
admitted
to
be
a
fairly
immediate
impact
in
terms
of
our
ability
to
meet
legislative
timelines
and
I.
Think
we'll
have
a
better
understanding
of
the
way
forward
in
terms
of
the
future
and.
C
My
final
question
I'm
not
sure
if
I
addressed
this
to
you
or
mr.
Monaco
or
whom
but
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
why
this
is
coming
to
committee.
Is
it
because
we
are
spending
part
of
the
reserve
and
that
requires
the
authority
or
we're
adding
FTE
outside
of
a
budget
year?
What
what's
the
trigger?
That's
coming
back,
because
I
hope
that
some
units,
if
you
have
staffing
needs
you
would
automatically
have
that
authority.
But
what's
the
trigger
provide.
D
Put
this
amount
mature,
because
this
is
the
creation
of
new
positions,
not
filling
vacant
FTEs.
We
do
require
committee's
approval
and
there
is
a
financial
implication
to
that
approval
that
is
effected
this
year's
reserve.
So
we
also
required
approval.
That's
the
motion
actually
asks
for
both
approvals.
C
E
Overall
statistics
with
respect
to
a
performance
in
that
time
period
were
indicative
of
the
overall
performance
right
across
the
branch
in
all
process
streams.
In
all
types
of
buildings,
they're
different
different
process
streams
in
different
kinds
of
buildings
have
different
mandated
a
turnaround
times.
E
There
was
one
particular
area
that
we
did
see
a
decrease
in
performance,
and
that
was
really
around
the
the
smaller
construction
things
and
the
like
that
area
has
already
been
has
already
improved
since
that
time,
with
the
additional
hires
we've
been
filling
our
vacancies,
as
we've
been
going
along
very
very
aggressively
pursuing
that,
and
with
that
we'll
already
up
about
10
to
12
percent.
Already
from
that
time
line
and
we're
hoping
to
get
obviously
bring
it
to
to
approximately
at
least
the
90
percentile,
which
is
where
we'd
prefer
to
be,
and.
C
That's
that
is
going
to
be
the
results
of
hiring
these
new
FTEs.
That
is
correct,
and
so
your
assertion
is
that
the
the
number
that
you
are
asking
for
today
is
the
right
number
to
get
us
back
there
within
a
reasonable
period
of
time.
That
is
that
is,
that
is
correct.
Okay.
Those
are
my
questions
thanks,
sir
thank.
C
E
C
That
would
be
track
housing
where
we
consider
development
to
subdivisions,
etc.
That
is
correct.
Sure
one
of
the
term
accounts
priorities.
You
suggest
that
this
report
addresses
is
to
improve
the
client
experience
through
established
service
expectations.
What
are
the
established
service
expectations
for
your
apartment?.
E
With
respect
to
legislative
timelines,
we
would
like
to
try
it
we
endeavor
to
meet
the
provincial
legislation.
That's
set
for
a
single-family
home
for
home
for
production
building
as
an
example.
That
would
be
a
10-day
business
day,
turnaround
time
from
the
date
of
application
to
the
first
complete
review
in
identification,
issuance
of
a
better
permit
or
the
identification
deficiencies.
Sure.
C
C
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Okay.
We
do
have
mr.
Frank,
because
if
you
could
yeah-
because
we
have
two
speakers,
so
Ted
folks
come
forward
and
then
Jason
when
coming
together.
Okay,
so
maybe
you
can
scoot
over
one
Frank,
please
Jason
Birk
laugh
is
the
new
executive,
a
second
objective
that
Jericho
I
jogged
over
later
Ottawa
homebuilders
and
Ted
Thoris.
Everybody
knows
ten.
A
C
You,
madam
chair
I,
was
going
to
introduce
Jason
he's
the
new
guy
on
the
block,
so
I
know
he's
gotten
around
to
meet.
Many
of
you,
I
thought
I'd
like
to
give
a
little
bit
of
history
for
this.
For
what
it's
worth
about
15
years
ago,
maybe
Diane
Coburn,
who
was
the
then
Minister
Municipal,
Affairs
and
housing,
had
received
numerous
complaints
from
builders
across
the
province
about
not
only
the
cost
of
building
permits,
but
the
time
that
we
took
to
get
them
some
municipalities
held
them
for
months
and
months
and
months
didn't
review
them.
C
They
basically
use
the
of
a
building
permit
to
blackmail
developers
into
doing
things
that
they
wanted
them
to
do
and,
as
a
result
of
a
committee
called
brag
that
was
set
up.
The
government
of
the
day
legislated
that
permits
be
issued
within
a
certain
time
frame
and
they
also
legislated
that
the
reserves
and
the
cost
to
pay
for
those
would
be
something
that
the
industry
could
challenge
on
an
annual
basis
and
we
have
worked
with
Miss
forbidden
since
amalgamation
to
keep
track
of
those
costs
keep
track
of
the
times.
C
He
sits
on
a
committee
with
Leanne
and
and
members
of
the
industry,
and
we
we
talk
very
regularly
about
the
process,
the
timing
of
permits
and
so
on
and
he's
kind
enough
to
keep
us
updated
with
where
things
are
out.
The
door
is
always
open
when
we
need
to
have
a
discussion
about
hiring
staff
or
whatever
the
industry
has
historically
been
always
very
supportive,
because
now,
as
a
result
of
legislation,
we
know
exactly
where
the
money
sits
and
the
communication
lines
are
open.
So
I
just
want
to
thank
mr.
Benton
for
the
report.
C
A
The
many
of
the
whether
this
came
up
in
our
about
town
and
then
likely
the
public
doesn't
know,
but
at
no
time
is
the
public
at
risk
of
paying
for
our
building
inspectors.
I
think
it
where,
as
you
said,
they
pay
for
their
houses
but
I'm
talking
about
the
general
taxpayer.
That
may
think
that
this
is
a
further
burden
or
tax
crap
in
any
way.
It
absolutely
is
not
so
just
to
clarify
that
that
is.
A
Cows
are
surely
they'll,
remember
back
in
our
Nepean
days
when
we
used
to
call
it
the
slush
fund
and
in
fact,
was
called
Jack's
slush
fund
and
then
and
which
used
to
anger
him
the
great
deal.
But
the
fact
was
that
Evan
flow
with
development.
Sometimes
money
comes
in
and
sometimes
money
isn't
going
to
be
spent.
And
so
probably
you
know
what
was
a
lot
faster,
so
I'm,
sorry
to
say
all
the
people
over
here
and
your
PA
used
to
built
a
lot
faster,
but
the
process
was
faster.
It
just
was
right
anyway.
A
C
I
could
in
closing
Madam
chair
just
one
comment
in
no
councillor.
Huebel
was
a
little
caught
off
by
some
comments
that
had
been
made
a
few
years
ago
with
respect
to
the
permit
issuance
a
previous
executive
director
that
we
had
didn't
do
as
good
a
job
as
I
know.
Jason
is
fully
capable
of
doing
and
will
be
doing
to
make
sure
that
councillors
are
aware
because
I
know
every
penny
counts
to
him
and
he
wants
to
make
sure
that
money
is
wisely
spent.
So
we
do
too,
and
that's
certainly
common
goal.
B
E
Believe
across
the
industry
we're
looking
at
about
about
about
about
the
about
the
opera,
carry
about
the
opera
invertible
about
how
the
percent
of
our
operating
and
that
would
be
an
actual
maximum
number.
So
a
little
bit
less
I.
Don't
have
any
concern.
Really
it's
about
making
sure
that
we
don't.
We
don't
run
into
a
position
where
we
can.
We
cannot
continue
to
enforce
the
building
code,
Act
revenues,
the.
C
C
When
I
sat
on
that
committee,
the
brake
committee,
there
was
a
long
discussion
about
the
amount
of
the
reserves,
and
the
intention
was
was
that
if
there
was
a
recession
of
a
year
or
two,
a
department
wouldn't
have
to
be
completely
gutted.
So
it's
not
the
intent
that
mr.
Goodman's
department
would
be
completely
wiped
out
and
it
would
only
carry
one
given
year.
C
We
might
have
a
one
to
three
year
recession
and
the
point
was
that
he
would
have
money
to
continue
to
pay
the
staff
that
he's
trained
to
be
able
to
continue
to
work
during
that
timeframe.
So
I
would
say
yes,
as
all
the
industry
is
very
supportive
of
the
the
numbers
that
are
established
by
the
legislation
and
within
the
time
frames
and
the
numbers
mr.
Penton
has
yeah.
You
want
to
retain
capacity
for
when
the
build
when
development
starts
building
the
back
up
again.
So.
C
A
A
The
last
time
of
the
time
before
that
to
be
discussed
this
and
many
people
were
shocked
by
the
amount
of
building
permit
fees.
They
are
they're,
not
high.
These
would
be
the
other
fees
that
you
do.
Pay
and
I
know
that
want
people
that
miss
comments,
then,
at
that
time
of
people,
said
relieve
it.
It's
two
thousand
dollars.
You
have
that
kind
of
a
thing,
so
anyways
I
think
that
we
have
this
well
in
hand,
I
just
one
thing
and
so
I.
Thank
you
both
for
coming
forward.
Mr.
A
A
Certainly
you
we
I
think
we
need
to
prepare
the
workforce
of
the
future
for
the
type
of
work
that
will
be
done,
which
is
not
static
and
may
not
be
reflected
in
all
the
programming
in
it.
And
it's
not
just
miss
Department.
It
could
be
any
number
of
areas,
certainly
on
waste,
certainly
on
any
of
the
environmental
issues.
D
Certainly
in
the
senior
management
team,
we
are
discussing
talent,
charges
and
difficulties
in
certain
areas.
It
absolutely
is
an
issue
and
miss
gray
can
give
more
information
on
that
at
the
first
opportunity.
But
working
closely
with
the
post-secondary
institutions
is
the
answer
and
down
this
particular
issue.
Mr.
Burton's
been
very,
very
proactive
on
that
he's
actually
part
of
an
advisory
committee
for
Algonquin
on
their
programs
on
building
trades
and
I.
D
Think
that
gives
us
an
access
to
a
pipeline
good
candidates
to
come
in
and,
as
his
association
is
working
province-wide
on
this
issue,
I
think
that's
that
where
this
is
where
we're
working
closely
with
the
educational
institutions,
but
if
you
put
the
economic
development
on
for
a
second
that
I
wear.
If
you
talk
to
the
national
capital,
heavy
construction
association,
they'll
tell
you
their
entire
industry
is
having
a
challenge
with
finding
talented
workers,
and
even
the
technology
of
construction
is
going
to
change
dramatically
in
the
next
decade.
D
So
there
has
to
be
a
conservative
effort,
province-wide
in
how
we
train
people
for
building
trades
and
building
inspections
in
parallel.
So
it's
it's
very
much
a
in
flux.
Right
now,
but
I
think
we're
doing
everything
we
can
do
and
I
think
the
good
partnership
mr.
Biden
has
with
Algonquin
is
bubbling
our
best
opportunity.
Yeah.
A
You
know
with
the
school
bus
and
certainly
by
the
time
they
get
in
and
know
that
a
place
like
Algonquin,
for
example,
is
going
to
give
you
that
technical
expertise,
something
else
that's
come
up,
is
the
fact
that,
with
all
the
new
Canadians,
our
new
one
of
Canadians
or
new
immigrants
that
are
coming
here,
you
know
we
don't.
Nor
should
we
get
to
say
you
should
all
be.
It
only
wants
people
who
have
this
kind
of
back
then
about
going
about
them.
A
Many
people
coming
here
are
farmers,
okay,
and
so
we
know
that
that
farming
is
changing
dramatically,
and
certainly
we
are
leaders
in
North
America
and
what
we're
doing
so.
I
just
think
that
we
have
a
major
role
to
play
with
the
future
of
our
residents,
and
certainly
our
city
councilor
Blaine.
Well,.
C
Yeah
I
just
wanted
to
clarify
is
your
outreach,
including
the
City
College
out,
because
we
have
the
city
has
a
trades
facility,
basically
in
Orleans,
just
down
the
street
from
other
neighborhoods,
where
we're
having
some
challenges
and
I'm
wondering
you
know
if
we're
reaching
out
to
them
as
well.
I.
E
A
Okay,
because
I
find
the
the
for
post-secondary
and
the
for
school
boards,
they
collaborate
at
their
highest
level,
the
the
Jennifer
islands
and
the
Edith,
Jamal
and
etc,
etc,
and
I
know
that
they
meet
monthly,
and
so
they
are
cautious
in
not
duplicating
and
looking
for
opportunities.
It's
and
I
think
that's
good
I.
Just
think
we
have
a
bigger
role
play.
Okay,
anybody
else
have
anything
else
amount,
so
that's
I
mean
is
carried
right.