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Planning Committee meeting – May 8, 2018 – Audio Stream
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A
This
is
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
the
proposed
comprehensive
official
plan
and
zoning
bylaw
amendments
listed
as
items
one
to
five
on
today's
agenda.
For
the
items
just
mentioned,
only
those
who
make
all
submissions
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendments
are
adopted
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
local
planning
Appeal
Tribunal.
A
B
C
A
A
B
B
D
A
Myself,
no,
so
no
it's
not
so
mean
discuss
today,
but
it
will
be
on
the
next
agenda
and
maybe
I
would
appreciate
it.
If
you
could
tell
us
what
you're
interested
so
we
can
think
about
it.
If
I
had
ahead
of
time,
maybe
no
not
mean
right
now,
I
mean
just
between
now
and
then
thank
you.
Okay,
I,
remember
one
more
holding
because
we
have
a
presentation-
and
we
have
speakers
item
number
two
is
the
zoning
amendments
for
small-scale
industrial
uses
in
commercial
zones.
Storefront
industry.
A
C
Yes,
thank
you,
chair,
I,
very
much
support
the
staff
report
on
this
item.
I
think
this
is
an
excellent
idea
and
initiative.
The
purpose
of
the
motion
is
simply
to
make
two
small
suggested
amendments
to
the
specific
zoning,
both
in
mixed
juice,
downtown
zones
and
traditional
Main
Street
zones.
Currently,
those
those
are
two
areas
where
staff
are
recommending
a
maximum
space
of
200
square
meters,
whereas
most
of
the
other,
all
of
the
other
urban
zoned
areas
had
a
recommended
maximum
space
of
350
square
meters.
B
A
E
You
very
much
so
on
behalf
of
councillor
McKenney.
There
is
a
motion
to
oliva,
add
one
more
area
where
this
would
otherwise
not
be
allowed,
whereas
the
report
recommends
zoning
changes
to
enable
a
new
used,
storefront
industry
in
commercial,
mixed
use,
zone
citywide
and
whereas
the
storefront
industry,
by
definition,
combines
a
light
industrial
component
with
a
retail
store,
retail
food
store
and
or
restaurant
component,
where
products
manufactured
on
site
are
sold
and
served
and
where
a
zoning
exception
needed.
E
One
currently
applies
to
lands
on
Beech,
Street
and
Rochester
Street,
which
has
the
effect
of
allowing
light
industrial
uses
in
an
hour
40
residential
zone,
and
whereas
it
is
desirable
to
allow
these
light
industrial
uses
to
include
a
retail
store,
retail
food
store
and
or
restaurant
components
in
the
configuration
consistent
with
the
proposed
new
term
storefront
industry.
Therefore,
the
result
that
the
following
changes
be
made
to
the
staff
report,
one
that
document
two
details
of
the
recommended
zoning
be
amended
by
adding
the
following.
As
recommendation,
7
G
G
amend
exception.
E
88
were
one
by
inserting
of
the
words
storefront
industry.
After
the
words
light
industrial
uses
in
column,
three
additional
permitted
uses
and
by
inserting
the
words
or
storefront
industry,
after
both
instances
of
the
words
permitted
industrial
uses
in
column,
five
provisions
and
be
it
FURTHER
RESOLVED
that
there
be
no
further
notice
pursuant
to
section
34
17
of
the
Planning
Act,
so
I'm,
not
sure.
If
councillor
McKenney
is
here,
my
understanding
on
Thursday's
line
betrayer.
So
if
there
are
any
questions,
ensure
that
councilman
there.
A
Right
well,
I
thought
they
gave
quite
good
explanations,
but
that's
fine,
we'll
hold
it.
Next
is
5315
Abbott,
Street,
East
zoning
bylaw
amendment,
perhaps
counselor
you
could
ask
the
questions,
maybe
of
mr.
Morman.
After
we
get
through
all
this.
If
you're
interested
zoning,
bylaw
amendment
and
I
appreciate,
you
didn't
see
them
ahead
of
time,
53:15
Abbott,
Street
East.
So
this
isn't
counselor
Cadbury's
Ward
and
we
do
have
speakers
in
support.
A
We
has
ashraf
al
nikki
and
you're
the
student
representative,
hi
Isabel
cody
KO,
sada,
pillow,
hello,
Bonjour,
mark
Bertrand
mark,
and
we
have
a
couple
of
other
people
too
that
are
here
to
support
the
application.
Add
an
ear
here
and
in
suppose
the
Planning
representative
and
I've
asked
them
all
earlier.
If
we're
willing
to
prepare
to
support
this
dome
on
their
land
in
Stitz
Ville,
which
is
a
great
opportunity
for
recreation.
A
F
You
all
very
much
matter
chair
and
thank
you
to
my
colleagues
for
supporting
this
application
and
I
also
wanted
to
say
a
special
thank
you
to
Mary
Dickinson
from
the
planning
staff
for
working
and
continue
to
work
on
this
BA
application
in
the
future.
The
proposed
new
building,
madam
chair,
represents
good
planning
and
will
foster
the
active
lifestyle
of
the
community,
and
not
only
for
today,
but
also
in
the
future,
and
it
will
inspire
students
and
the
community
to
even
get
more
involved
in
the
community
in
terms
of
recreational
opportunities.
F
Merci
Allah
Commissioner
is
called
add
that
wat
by
a
reckless
vehicle
elaborate
on
projet
who
want
FLE
tillis
a
public
amenity.
This
is
again
like
I
said,
as
it
is
an
exciting
project
for
the
community
and
not
only
for
the
local
communities
to
tour,
but
also
for
the
city,
because
it
does
provide
another
recreational
facility
available
to
the
community
and
on
that
note,
madam
chair
I
just
want
to
thank
the
participants
specially
the
school
board
and
all
their
work
and
diligence
on
this
working
with
our
city
staff.
F
A
A
G
A
G
A
A
Okay,
just
for
the
record
just
for
the
record.
We
had
a
little
bit
of
conversation
about
this
this
morning
about
and
not
vote
just
to
this,
but
it
just
seems
that
this
is
one
of
these
things
when
you're
just
changing
I
use,
it
has
to
be
a
major
deal
to
do
it.
We
think
that
in
the
next
term,
we're
going
to
look
at
how
we
can
change
that
you
know,
for
example,
cow
you
have
one
Kelly
laughing,
but
they're
not
really
laughing
inside
because
they
went
to.
A
You
know
we're
in
a
handbasket
on
a
project
out
in
Kannada
and
and
now
they
just
want
to
you-
add
a
veterinarian
use
which
has
minimal
impact,
and
you
see
them
all
along
March
Road
at
most
of
the
little
corner,
businesses
along
there,
it's
a
local
service
right
and
yet
they
have
to
go
through
this
large
large
process.
So
you
know,
anyway,
we're
going
to
we're
going
to
look
at
that
in
the
next
term
when
we're
dealing
with
all
of
our
very
large
items.
So
on
this
item
on
the
a
world
blood,
it's
carried
right.
A
Thank
you,
okay!
So
then
we
have
some
IP
DS
information
previously
distributed
a
is
Ottawa
next
beyond
2036
and
the
next
update
on
the
city's
official
plan.
Thank
you
for
that.
Mr.
Schmitt
B
is
response
to
an
inquiry
about
impacts
of
construction
on
adjacent
properties
and
C
is
cash
in
lieu
of
parkland.
A
A
F
F
H
Okay,
good
morning,
members
of
the
planning
committee,
madam
chair
I,
would
like
to
take
this
opportunity.
Before
we
start
a
presentation.
I
would
like
to
take
the
opportunity
to
thank
Volunteers
of
the
architecture:
community,
the
academics,
the
National
Capital
Commission,
Public,
Works
and
government
surface
canopy
SPC
and
the
government
industry
for
their
contribution
to
the
research
about
this
project,
and
we
would
also
like
to
thank
members
of
the
community
who
provided
a
comments,
a
ponder
the.
H
H
The
buildings
are
actually
located
outside
of
downtown,
and
they
are
many
of
the
buildings
most
contemporary
architecture.
They
are
more
transit
oriented
and
that
they're
more
pedestrian
focused.
So
the
design
guidelines
has
a
result
of
some
improve
the
design
in
inner
city.
On
the
other
hand,
through
the
part
that
the
experience
in
the
past
decades
there
has
been
almost
are
that
we
also
identified
some
limitations
as
to
what
the
design
guideline
has
has
been
doing.
For
example,
the
design
guideline
current
design
counter
is
for
residential
only
and
which
is
limited
in
its
scope.
H
Some
of
the
guidelines
are
pretty
generic
and
I
did
them
to
take
into
consideration
the
specific
context
of
different
locations
of
the
city
and
there's
also
our
lack
of
guidance
on
certain,
perhaps
aspects
of
the
design
of
high-rise
buildings,
for
example
wider
and
shorter
buildings,
aka
slava
buildings.
There
is
lack,
there's,
really
a
lack
of
guidance
on
those
type
of
buildings.
H
Guideline
for
the
city,
I'm
going
to
just
use
a
few
slides
next
few
slides
to
higher
data
some
of
the
key
issues
that
has
been
identified
in
the
course
of
the
past
decades.
Also
after
the
adoption
of
the
previous
urban
design
guide
at
the
current
urban
design,
guidelines
for
high-rise,
housing
and
and
what
we're
moving
towards
in
terms
of
how
can
we
improve
and
update
the
current
guidelines
and
and
improve
the
design
of
high-rise
buildings?
So
issue
number
one,
its
high-rise
buildings
in
close
proximity.
H
So,
let's
show
on
this
slide,
and
this
is
actually
located
in
an
area
called
downtown
makes
users
own.
There's
only
in
the
area
allows
for
lot
line
to
lot
line
to
lot
line
development.
Now,
in
this
case,
the
two
high-rise
buildings
up
to
27
stories
who
was
built
in
the
quarters
were
the
zoning.
There
is
about
17
to
18
meters
separation
between
these
two
towers.
But,
however,
as
you
can
see,
these
two
buildings
were
actually
located
next
to
the
property
line,
to
the
tulip
to
the
two
Diaz
lot
that
is
currently
empty
yeah.
H
Now
the
expectation
at
the
time
was
that's
because
the
lot
adjacent
to
is
was
too
small.
It
is
highly
unlikely
that
another
high-rise
building
is
going
to
be
built
and,
of
course,
a
few
years
later,
a
proposal
was
put
forward
for
the
light,
which
is
highlighted
here
in
the
in
yellow
and
the
two
towers
was
proposed
and
was
consequently
rejected
at
the
dis
committee
and
council.
H
So
this
is
one
of
issues
that
we're
starting
to
address
in
the
new
set
of
design
guidelines
and
in
the
proposed
draft
rezoning,
a
zoning
provisions
and
the
second
issue,
as
we
learned
again
through
years
of
experience
since
the
adoption
of
the
current
high-rise
guidelines,
is
high-rise.
Buildings
adjacent
to
existing
communities
and,
as
shown
in
this
image-
and
there
is
a
high-rise
building-
is
Israel
is
under
construction
and
it
is
sort
of
very
close
to
the
dismounting
of
the
low-rise
buildings.
And
so
the
question
here
was:
how
would
should
a
transition
occur
in
those
areas?
H
Of
course,
a
lot
of
debate
has
has
occurred
in
the
third
se
DPS
and
secondary
plants,
and
a
Tod
study
process
that
that
there
is
a
lack
of
general
guidance
in
a
current
design
guideline
in
guidelines
in
terms
of
the
general
approach
to
that
and
further
moving
out
to
the
new
communities
in
the
in
the
suburbs.
And
there
are
examples
where
high-rise
buildings
are
proposed
and
that
they
are
completely
isolated
from
the
surrounding
urban
fabric.
H
And
finally,
there
is
the
issue
about
the
design
of
our
buildings,
or
sometimes
it's
called
slab
buildings,
and
these
are
the
buildings
that
are
not
very
tall
and
that
they
are
wide
and
that
they
are
big.
And
although
the
the
the
city's
official
plan,
the
secondary
plan
b,
c
d
PS
and
the
current
design
guidelines
do
not
favor
this
kind
of
developments
that
they
are
occurring.
H
Anyways
in
some
locations
of
the
city,
particularly
in
a
more
suburban
locations
in
the
city,
and
so
there
is
a
lack
of
guidance
on
the
design
of
those
buildings
and
that
the
current
design,
the
new
proposed,
updated
design.
Guideline
attempted
to
change.
Give
some
guidance
to
this
type
of
type
of
high-rise,
building
development.
H
So
the
new
urban
design
guidelines
expanded
its
goal
to
include
all
type
of
high-rise
buildings,
and
the
new
guidelines
include
about
98
design
principles
with
new
diagrams
and
recently
examples.
So
as
update
to
the
current
design
guides,
the
structure
of
the
document
has
been
updated
and
in
comparing
with
the
2001
guide,
the
current
design
guidelines,
the
new
ones
is
more,
has
more
emphasis
on
the
context
of
of
the
development
and
then
the
offers
more
flexibility
for
built
form
design,
including
its
types
floor
plate
and
the
separation
distance
distance.
Depending
on
the
context.
H
It
also
offers
a
some
broader
tripod
principles
on
transition
and
the
directions
for
placemaking,
particularly
in
the
new
communities,
and
there
are
also
considerations
for
some
detailed
design
elements
such
as
exterior
eliminations
and
the
so
on,
which
is
currently
lacking
in
our
current
design.
Guidelines.
I
just
want
to
mention
one
thing:
the
design
guidelines
are
now
instead
Ettore
and
they
are
not
a
checklist
when
it
comes
to
reviewing
or
develop
applications,
and
the
guidelines
that
I
got
are
98,
advise
that
they
are
not
equally
applicable
to
every
single
site.
H
The
context
of
each
site
will
determine
which
guidelines
are
most
applicable
and
how
should
they
be
applied
and
the
guidelines
will
be
most
mostly
used
in
the
in
the
in
the
process
of
in
the
dome
applications
process
of
pre
consultation
and
the
UDI
peer
review,
and
some
of
the
guidelines
may
also
be
used
to
inform
the
preparation
of
the
CV
piece
master
plans,
particularly
in
a
suburban
locations.
So
with
that
I'm
going
to
pasture
the
to
my
colleague
Carol
to
talk
about
the
zoning.
G
G
Urban
design
and
they're
intended
to
the
zoning,
will
contribute
to
higher
quality
public
spaces
by
providing
for
light
to
reach
the
ground
and
for
views
at
sky
views
to
be
maintained
through
spacing
of
the
buildings,
and
they
will
optimize
conditions
for
occupants
of
the
high-rise
buildings
by
ensuring
privacy
of
those
occupants,
and
we
were
providing
even
playing
field
for
property
owners.
So
there
are
two
development
standards
proposed
to
deal
with
high-rise
development.
G
So
if
you
want
to
refer
to
the
schedule
on
the
French
side,
so
the
first
standard
is
for
the
mixed-use
downtown
zone,
which
is
in
the
central
area
of
the
city.
Basically,
it's
our
core
downtown
area
and
parts
of
the
market
and
then
was
a
sector
second
set
of
provisions
for
those
area
which
referred
to
as
area
a
in
that
schedule.
So
those
are
that's
the
darker
gray
area,
which
is
our
lands
inside
the
Greenbelt,
but
are
not
in
an
MD
zone
and
then
the
third
standard
of
provisions
is
for
the
suburban
area.
G
Applications
received
prior
to
the
date
of
Council's
approval
of
the
zoning
and
design
guidelines
would
come
in
under
those
formal
rules
and
following
approval
of
both
documents,
there
will
be
outreach
to
the
community
and
to
development,
Review
staff
in
terms
of
implementation
of
these
new
guidelines
and
zoning.
That's
our
presentation.
A
I,
you
know
on
my
desktop
and
like
on
my
desktop,
doesn't
show
here,
but
on
my
desktop
I
have
actually
the
2009
tall
buildings
reports
when
I
look
at
that
picture,
I'm
going
I
have
that
fell
on
my
desktop,
so
I
think,
once
in
a
while
I
look
at
the
project
team
circulated
the
draft
urban
design
guideline
recommendations
in
February
of
this
year
to
220
registered
community
organizations
as
well
as
the
FCA,
and
you
only
heard
back
from
two
groups.
Let
me
ask
you:
why
do
you
think
that
is
any
idea,
I
think
the
general.
G
Speaking,
the
community
appears
to
be
really
concerned
with
the
location
of
where
these
buildings
are
permitted
and
how
high
they
are,
and
then,
when
you
get
into
the
weeds
of
you,
know
the
lot
size
you
know
whether
it's
thirteen
hundred
and
fifty
square
meters
or
fifteen
hundred
square
meters,
it
didn't
have
a
lot
of
relevance
to
them.
I
think
they
were
just
mostly
concerned
about
where
they
or
they
are
currently
permitted.
I
think.
A
A
A
G
I,
don't
think
so
and
I
think
that
currently
in
the
zoning
battle,
we
have
no
regulations
to
regulate
our
separation
distance.
So
we're
really
achieving
a
lot
through
these
new
zoning
provisions
and
we
currently
don't
have
a
minimum
lot
area
for
what
we
do
actually
for
in
the
are
five
zones.
A
lot
areas
are
ridiculously
small
actually
for
high-rise
buildings.
They
go
anywhere
between
450
and
600
square
meters
and
that's
not
really
big
enough.
Those
zones
were
developed
years
and
years
ago
before
any
of
this
is
really
contemplated.
G
A
You
wonder:
have
450
square
meters
is
even
possible
when
we
just
had
countering
this
foam
counter
leap.
Remove
emotion,
shook-up,
create
a
brewery,
350
square
metres.
Okay,
thank
you
very
much
anywhoo
we
have.
We
have
people
out
to
speak
I'm,
going
to
call
them
up.
I
just
thought
that
that
was
important,
that
we
heard
how
thorough
you
were
in
in
your
outreach.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
that.
A
I
Hello,
counselor,
Harbor
and
counselors.
My
name
is
Khoa
messroom,
a
senior
development
manager
with
colony,
Bridgeport
and
colony.
Bridgeport
is
an
active
member
of
DOMA
and
I
was
one
of
the
form
of
Representatives
and
at
the
city's
tall
building
focus
group
over
last
year
and
a
half
with
Carroll
and
Randolph,
and
attended
all
the
meetings
and
actively
participated
in
the
process,
we're
generally
supportive
of
the
urban
design
guidelines
for
high-rise
buildings
that
have
been
presented
here
today.
I
We
appreciate
the
spirit
of
recommendation
number
3,
which
is
presented
to
you
here
today,
and
we
are
couraging
planning
committee
to
support
this
recommendation.
We
will
work
with
staff
and
apply
our
best
efforts
with
an
open
mind
and
good
faith
to
seek
approve
a
resolution
to
our
appeal
on
the
understanding
that
the
city
is
willing
to
review
section.
1
point
sorry
for
point:
11
of
the
OPA,
in
conjunction
with
these
high-rise
guidelines,.
E
I
Sure
so
our
appeal
was
specifically
with
regard
to
the
design
tower
separation
and
the
size
on
the
floor
plate
and
the
size
of
the
Lots
and
I
believe
that
that
is
all
captured
in
the
high-rise
guidelines.
So
therefore,
I
think
we
can
find
find
a
resolution.
Our
appeal
is
similar
to
what
plumbers
appear
is
and
Gope
is
going
to
be
here
before
you
as
well
too,
and
we
feel
that
that
can
be
resolved.
That
was
written.
E
And
I'll
be
asking
staff
in
a
bit
what
has
changed
from
the
the
previous
guidelines,
but
would
it
be
fair
to
say,
as
I
seek
to
understand,
what's
changed
from
the
2009
guidelines
that
the
developers
have
achieved
less
separation
between
towers,
smaller
minimum
lot
sizes?
What
are
some
of
the
technicalities
on
that
front
so.
I
The
way
the
guidelines
are
how
I
interpret
the
guidelines
is
that
the
tower
separation
is
actually
bigger
than
23
metres,
that
there's
language
in
there
that,
depending
on
your
location
and
site,
specific
situations
that
there's
an
opportunity
to
reduce
that
separation.
If
there
is
good
urban
design
and
it's
appropriate
and.
I
A
A
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
My
name
is
Dean
karakasa
I
am
the
executive
director
of
the
building
owners
and
managers.
Association
of
Ottawa,
usually
referred
to
as
Bo
Marlo
with
me
today,
is
Nancy
Milosh
the
Stantec
who's
here
in
our
capacity
as
the
chair
of
the
boma
government
affairs
committee,
so
we'd
like
to
start
out
on
a
good
note
here
and
congratulate
the
city
in
its
approach
to
the
development
of
these
guidelines
and
thank
staff
for
their
hard
work.
F
Organizing
stakeholders,
we
understand,
can
be
some
something
like
herding
cats,
so
we
really
do
appreciate
the
work
that
they've
done
and
accepting
input
both
from
bulma
and
several
of
the
industry
members
that
are
members
of
boma.
We
believe
these
guidelines
are
superior
to
to
what
exists
currently
and
that
they
are
a
good
step
forward
for
all
of
us
to
use.
We
will
support.
F
J
Yes
good
morning
and
thanks
very
much
members
of
the
committee-
yes
I
just
want
to
underscore
as
well
what
a
positive
process
some
boma
believes.
This
has
been
working
with
staff
and
Randolph
and
and
Carol
were
prepared
to
come
out
and
meet
one-on-one
with
some
of
our
members
was
a
really
collaborative
I,
think
process,
and
there
was
a
lot
of
good
discussion
back
and
forth,
but
as
well.
J
I
just
wanted
to
underscore
the
importance
of
recommendation
three
in
our
mind,
and
that
is
that
staff
will
continue
to
work
towards
the
resolution
of
the
appeals
under
OPA
150
boma
did
put.
Some
did
put
an
appeal
letter
in
which
has
been
going
through
a
series
of
pre
hearings
as
I'm
sure
the
committee
is
aware,
and
the
basis
of
the
appeals
under
150
related
to
the
of
course,
the
old
urban
design
guidelines,
and
so
we
were
concerned
about
transitioning
about
targets
and
about
building
height
issues.
J
E
J
So
again,
as
Kelly
was
saying,
if
the
test
is
quality
urban
design
and
that
will
give
staff
I
think
much
more
flexibility,
as
well
as
the
transitioning
provisions
that
staff
have
put
forward
so
I
think
the
guidelines
are
very
positive
and,
as
Randolph
also
states,
they're
they're
not
meant
to
be
a
checklist,
but
they're
meant
to
for
owners
and
developers
to
really
look
at
what
those
positive
impacts
can
be
under
the
guidelines.
What.
E
H
Across
the
leaper
and
the
actually,
the
current
design
guideline
is
pretty
vague
in
terms
of
how
transition
should
should
occur
there,
the
throughout
the
the
period
of
the
past
decades.
Also
after
the
adoption
of
the
current
guidelines
and
then
through
consultation
of
many
different
CDP's
in
the
secondary
plans-
and
we
learned
a
lot
in
terms
of
what
practical
and
reasonable
transitions
the
ways
to
to
to
to
introduce
practical
and
reasonable
ways
for
transitions,
recognizing
that
each
site
is
different
and
each
community
is
different.
H
There
may
be
different
offenses,
so
we
established
some
broad
brush
principles
in
terms
of
how
transition
should
occur
and
also
gives
directions
in
terms
of
that
recognizing
the
variations
of
different
conditions
in
different
communities
and
different
alots,
and
so
that's
sort
of
in
a
nutshell.
This
is
the
differences
between
the
current
guideline
and
the
new
guideline
moving
forward.
So.
E
And
if
I
just
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
understanding
this,
it
would
be
fair
than
to
say
the
previous
design
guidelines
were
relatively
silent
on
what
transition
means.
We
know
the
transition
comes
up
in
each
of
the
contentious,
irise
or
even
mid-rise
discussions
that
we
have
in
the
ward
previous
guidelines
were
relatively
silent.
Now
you've
introduced
much
more
specific
guidelines
and
might
take
a
look
at
what
those
are
I
think
that
the
community
would
largely
be
happy,
there's
a
lot
of
discussion
about
angular
planes
etc
in
a
fairly
explicit
way.
E
But
the
developers
are
pleased
that
those
guidelines
are
going
to
be
just
guidelines
and
that
on
a
site-specific
basis,
staff
and
the
developer
and
the
community
will
have
to
make
a
determination
as
to
whether
or
not
they
should
be
applied
as
privileged
of
the
guidelines.
Is
that
a
fair
way
to
characterize
it.
F
Is
it
it
is
I
mean
we
would
look
at
these
guidelines
and
the
same
thing
we
say
about
the
OPA
and
resolution
of
the
outstanding
Appeals
is
the
more
that
we
can
understand
upfront
what
is
required
and
then
negotiate
work
with
city
to
to
do
something,
that's
appropriate
for
every
particular
area.
That
is
a
positive.
That
is
a
step
in.
E
J
Counselor
absolutely
and
what
you
will
see
again,
recommendation
4
I
believe
is
that
the
zoning
come
back,
which
will
I
know.
Staff
have
intentionally
tried
to
keep
it
very
succinct
and
very
tight
of
the
zoning.
So
that
again
more
you
know
the
industry
is
not
straightjacket
either,
but
it's
really
the
quality
of
that
process
of
the
back-and-forth
with
communities
that
we
feels
important
are.
E
You
concerned
at
all
that,
as
often
happens,
residents
will
seize
upon
the
guidelines
as
being
something
that
should
be
adhere
to
as
if
written
in
stone,
so
that
if
a
site-specific
application
moves
forward,
your
you
know
as
as
as
developers
and
this
building
builders,
it
is
proposing
something
that
is
significantly
different
than
what
the
guidelines
would.
Ordinarily
indicate
should
be
allowed
that
you're
going
to
face
a
lot
of
pushback
from
residents
who
are
saying,
apply
the
guidelines
well.
J
I
think
that
you
know
that
that's
the
possibility
but
I
think
in
this
city
we've
got
guidelines
now
for
so
many
different
types
of
development
and
we're
all
quite
used
to
dealing
with
them,
whether
it's
a
traditional
Main,
Street,
mixed-use,
center,
low-rise,
buildings
and
and
I
think
I.
Think
this
city
has
done
a
really
superb
job
staff
in
bringing
forward
design
guidelines
that
really
try
to
create
a
look
and
feel
and
new
development
I
think
that's
important.
J
E
Think
the
status
quo
works
out
well
for
developers
in
the
city,
but
as
the
city
councilor,
you
know
it
can
be
a
difficult
communications
challenge
to
say
that
this
is
a
guideline
and
to
try
to
help
residents
understand
why
that
guideline
is
not
being
adhered
to.
So
I
have
a
bit
of
a
concern
about
setting
up
expectations
on
the
part
of
residents
that
these
new
separation
distances
that
new
angular
planes
for
transitions
are
going
to
always
guide
development,
but
that
is
a
that
is
something
we'll
need
to
manage
as
we
move
forward
well,.
F
And
you
know,
guidelines
always
offer
you
the
ability,
when
you
speak
to
the
public,
to
talk
about
harnessing
the
best
and
brightest
in
terms
of
ideas
and
talent
and
and
that's
what
you
try
to
do.
Every
time
an
application
comes
forward
is
within
the
industry.
There
is
a
lot
of
talent
to
be
brought
to
bear
on
individual
developments
that
help
build
a
better
city.
The.
E
A
D
Go
ahead
good
morning,
madam
chair
councillors,
my
name
is
David
Renfield
domicile
developments
and
I'm
here
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
greater
Allen
Builders
Association
I'm,
an
executive
of
the
board
and
chair
of
the
urban
infill
Council
and
I'm
pleased
to
offer
golbez
complete
support
of
the
urban
design
guidelines.
These
guidelines
will
offer
improved
design
direction
on
context
built
form
in
public
space,
whether
or
not
a
statutory
checklist.
Therefore,
they
will
offer
consistent
context-sensitive
direction
without
unnecessary
red
tape.
D
D
We
are
eager
to
resolve
our
appeals
and
you're
looking
forward
to
starting
the
next
official
plan
with
a
clean
slate
in
the
next
term
of
Council
I'd
like
to
use
the
balance
of
my
time
on
you
this
morning
to
knowledge
staff
in
highlight
what
a
collaborative
process
this
was
I
can
speak
factually
that
there
are
many
passionate
discussions
regarding
forum
set
back
lot
sizes
in
tower
separation.
Through
these
numerous
debates,
the
level
of
respect
was
created
and
a
positive
relationship
was
formed.
D
It
turned
out
that
we
all
care
tremendously
about
the
skyline
of
Ottawa
in
the
impacts
of
new
projects
on
the
neighborhood
scale.
The
Association
truly
appreciates
the
willingness
of
stuff
to
seek
and
understand
of
why
lot
sizes
in
building
efficiency
are
critical
to
develop
a
parcel
of
land.
The
discussion
would
be
on
context
in
form
in
evolve
to
building
science
and
land
economics.
We
hope
this
energy
created
continues,
as
an
aim
is
built
upon
as
a
foundation
for
future
power
policy
initiatives
in
the
next
official
plan.
D
A
You
very
much
David
anybody
have
any
questions
thanks
for
coming
out.
Thank
you
for
I
mean
you're
involved
in
every
one
of
our
big
policy
pieces.
I
really
appreciate
it.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Okay.
So
we
have
questions
now
from
questions
of
staff.
Counselor
flurry,
counselor,
miss,
qualms,
leaper.
Anybody
else
go
ahead,
so.
B
G
A
B
I,
just
it's
an
interesting
report,
I
think
my
community
and
other
trees
would
have
been
interested
in
participating
and
a
lot
of
this
information.
I'm
I'm
not
sure
that
I'm
neutral
at
this
point,
I'm
not
sure
it's
bad
or
good
I,
just
it's
the
first
we
see
in
it
I
know
in
the
last
24
hours
a
lot
of
colleagues
and
community
associations
have
reached
out
to
learn
more
I'm,
not
well
informed,
so
I
wonder
if
they've
all
seen
now
in
Council.
That's
that's
exactly
what
I
was.
B
B
A
B
F
B
A
C
Thank
You
chair
and
thank
you
to
staff
the
a
lot
of
good
things
and
in
the
guidelines
that
I
appreciate,
but
I
do
have
a
couple
of
questions
and
I'm
going
to
start
on
separation
distances
between
towers.
The
first
question
is
were
not
for
the
OPA
one
150
appeal.
So
if
you
were
doing
this
in
the
absence
of
that,
would
staffs
best
planning
advice
be
to
reduce
the
separation
towers
in
the
central
area,
or
is
that
a
response
to
the
appeal?
C
G
H
Concerta,
maybe
I
can
add.
Currently
the
zoning
there's
a
lot
line
to
long
line
development
so
that
there
is
no
reduction
of
required,
a
separation
distance.
Actually,
the
new,
the
zoning
bylaw
introduces
new
requirements
for
separation
between
the
towers,
which
is
15
meters,
and
that
is
only
the
design
guideline
and
also
introduced
the
same
provisions
as
it
same
principles,
but
current
way
within
the
downtown
area,
as
I
show.
In
the
first
example,
a
development
can
can
develop.
A
building
goes
lot
line
to
lot
line
to
a
lot
line,
so
the
there's
no
reduction
percent.
H
C
G
It
hadn't
so
we
hadn't
started.
This
is
actually
the
implementation
or
an
attempt
at
implementation
of
policies
that
are
currently
under
appeal,
but
the
impetus
wasn't
to
resolve
an
appeal.
The
impetus
was
to
begin
a
study
to
look
at
the
issue
of
what
appropriate
minimum
separation
distances
should
be
included
in
the
Official
Plan
and
considering
contextually.
What
the
appropriate
standards
are
in
different
parts
of
the
city.
Maybe.
H
I
just
add
one
thing
in
terms
of
the
relationship
between
official
general
provisions
of
the
zoning
zoning
always
Trump's
the
Official
Plan.
So
if
the,
if
the
Official
Plan
has
general
directions
for
separation
for
whatever
squealers,
if
the
zoning
current
base
size
is
zero,
it's
a
zero.
So
what
does
this?
The
new
provision
actually
sort
of
trying
to
interpret
implement
your
plan
in
that
regard?
H
C
So
if
you
read
that
guideline,
then
you
wouldn't
be
accused
of
being
crazy
to
think
that
the
only
cases
in
which
a
minimum
separation,
distance
of
15
meters
in
the
downtown
core
and
20
meters
in
other
parts
of
the
green
ball
are
when
the
condition
that
an
overlap
of
more
no
more
than
15
to
20
percent
of
the
length
of
the
facing
facades
exists.
But
that's
not
what
the
zoning
bylaw
says.
The
zoning
bylaw
says
you
have
a
Nazarite
ability
to
have
a
minimum
power
distance
of
50
meters
regardless.
H
Interesting
question:
counselor
its
talks
about
the
relationship
between
the
design
guide.
I
can
start
off
with,
so
we
just
highlighted
the
relationship
between
zoning
and
the
design
guidelines
and,
as
indicated
design,
guidelines
all
provides
a
general
framework
for
understanding
certain
aspects
of
design,
including
the
separation
distances.
Zoning
bylaw,
on
the
other
hand,
is
always
black
and
white,
and
design
guideline
is
not
that
black
and
white,
and
so
the
in
the
sense
that
you
know
design
dollars,
offers
to
some
further
a
way.
H
Clarifies
us
ways
that
the
means
to
interpreters
only
about
our
just
keep
in
mind
sewing
bylaws
provision
for
separation.
Distance
is
minimal,
is
a
minimal
separation.
So
what
the
design
guideline
actually
says
is
that
if
you
want
to
reduce
it
to
two
minute,
if
you
want
to
achieve
the
minimum-
and
there
are
certain
conditions
made
right
now,
having
said
that,
I
also
have
to
clarify,
because
these
are
the
that
we
said
indicated.
H
This
is
based
on
experience
of
Senate
on
CVP
suppressed,
incurring
CDP's,
Scott,
Street,
CDP's
and
so
on.
So
there
is
a
list
of
sort
of
studies
that
has
been
done
prior
to
that
and
the
design
guidelines
simply
want
to
roll
back
the
whole
experience
and
the
build
upon
those
experience
that
moving
forward.
Thank
you.
C
That's
fine
and
I
could
I
understand
the
purpose,
but
that
I
do
think
and
I
would
encourage
you
to
consider.
Maybe
we
reworking
that
section,
because
I
think
the
worry
is-
and
this
gets
to
the
point-
counsel
II
pillars,
raising
your
creating
expectations.
If
you
read
the
guideline,
I
mean
if
you
were
to
read
that
guideline,
you
would
say:
okay,
fifteen
to
twenty
meters
will
only
be
considered
in
cases
where
there's
a
maximum
overlap.
I
mean
that
language
is
crystal
clear.
That
in
fact
that's
not
the
case,
so
I
don't
know.
C
Maybe
there's
a
way
of
saying
that
that
you
know
out
the
core
builders
are
encouraged
to
minimize
the
overlap
or
something-
and
it's
not
so.
This
is
just
more
question
of
managing
expectations.
I
mean
I.
Think
it's
good
planning
policy
to
minimize
the
overlap.
Then
the
other
option,
of
course,
is
putting
that
into
into
the
zoning
bylaw,
but
I
think
to
do
one
or
the
other
is
important,
because
right
now,
I
think
you're
leaving
the
reader
of
those
two
things
with
a
contradictory
impression
of
what
will
be
approved.
X.
E
H
So
a
generous
beacon,
the
the
the
current
guidelines
that
the
proposal
new
guidelines
is
more
contextual
and
the
take
into
consideration
that
gives
ability
for
considering
different
conditions
of
the
city
and
the
different
conditions
of
the
streets
in
the
neighborhood
and
and
the
the
current
design
guideline,
which
is
approved
in
2009,
was
a
rather
connected
in
a
straightforward
way.
In
terms
of
you
know,
this
is
what
the
expectation
is
that
kind
of
expression
in
the
current
design
guideline,
but
the
the
the
new
guidelines
really
is
more
contextual.
F
Add
to
that
a
little
bit,
I
think
back
in
2009
when
we
prepared
those
first
guidelines,
it
was
in
response
to
high-rise
building
proposals
coming
into
the
city,
and
we
we
prepared
them
from
a
research
based
approach.
You
know
we
had
some
input,
but
we
didn't
have
a
lot
of
experience
with
new
type
of
Hall
building
proposals,
so
we
prepared
a
set
of
document.
It
was
generic,
it
was
citywide
and
it
was
only
for
residential
uses.
I
think
this
process.
F
The
big
change
is
that
we
recognized
through
all
the
CDP's
that
we've
done
all
the
neighbourhood
studies.
That
we've
done
is
that
one
size
doesn't
fit
all
in
terms
of
even
a
guideline
perspective.
So
the
difference
there
is
that
you
know
downtown
is
very
different
from
the
elder
types
of
downtown,
which
is
very
different
from
the
suburban
development.
F
So
we
spent
a
lot
more
time
in
terms
of
context
in
terms
of
lot
fabric
in
terms
of
what
we
can
try
to
achieve
in
each
of
these
areas
from
the
most
constrained
area
being
the
downtown,
and
that
was
where
we
ended
up
spending
the
most
of
the
time.
So
the
biggest
change
our
context,
related
issues
and
then
I'll
also
say
that
probably
just
a
greater
attention
and
focus
on
public
realm
at
the
base
than
we
did
previously
and
that's
one.
E
Of
the
red
flags
that
I
saw
in
the
report
was,
there
was
a
line
in
there
that
developers
were
concerned
about
the
loss
of
developable
space,
and
that
was
explicitly
recognized
as
I.
Think
one
of
the
one
of
the
pieces
of
context
in
how
this
was
being
done,
and
we
don't
want
to
forget
that
this
is
also
being
done
in
the
context
of
official
plan
challenges
in
front
of
the
Ontario
Municipal
Board
communities
were
invited
to
provide
input,
but
they
were
not
at
the
table.
E
F
Well,
I
think
that
the
main
point
here
is
that
when
we
went
out
through
all
the
consultations
that
we
did
for
the
official
plan,
all
the
consultations
that
we
did
for
every
secondary
plan
and
to
you
study
in
an
area
where
there
was
high-rise
development
proposed
Scott,
Street,
CDP,
Center
town,
you
know
Uptown
Reno,
you
name
it.
We
went
through
this
process
with
the
community
and
we
learned
very
clearly
a
number
of
things.
F
E
Want
to
disagree
with
that,
in
that
you
know,
certainly
in
our
Ward
you're,
well
aware
of
the
different
reactions
that
to
developments
have
received.
There
is
the
the
the
feeling
of
the
canyon,
which
is
something
you're
trying
to
address
in
these
guidelines
at
the
the
convent
site,
and
then
you
have
the
very
positive
reaction
to
the
pedestrian
experience
of
Bill
Berks
building
at
the
the
far
end
of
Richmond
near
Gould.
E
F
Yes,
I
was
going
to
end
quite
finish.
My
sentence,
I
was
going
to
say
that
through
through
the
all
those
different
plans,
we
also
learned
a
lot
of
contextual
issues
and
they
were
actually
incorporated
in
all
the
documents
in
terms
of
angular
planes
and
things
like
that.
So
what
these
guidelines
do
is
bring
in
all
that
we've
learned
through
all
those
public
consultation
processes
and
try
to
get
best
practices
embedded
into
this
document.
It's
a
much
stronger
document
than
the
existing
guidelines,
much.
E
So
the
the
consideration
that
residents
have
around
the
pedestrian
field,
not
wanting
to
create
another
Canyon
I,
would
suggest
that
you
need
to
make
sure
you're
talking
about
that
and
not
just
where
tall
buildings
are
and
how
high
they
are.
But
the
pedestrian
experience
is
something
you're
telling
me
that
you
thought
about
carefully
and
in.
H
E
C
Mr.
Collins
just
raised
raised
something
that
I
had
wanted
to
ask
earlier,
but
he
tweaked
me
to
it.
He
talked
about
looking
at
best
best
practices
and
I'm
a
little
bit
curious
back
to
towered
separation,
distances,
Toronto
25
meters
in
the
downtown
core
Vancouver
25
meters
in
the
downtown
core
Calgary
24
meters
in
the
downtown
core.
So
what
were
the
best
practices
in
serve
that?
Why
are
planners
in
those
that
is
recommending
significantly
larger
separation,
distances
between
towers
versus
what
players
in
the
City
of
Ottawa
are
recommending.
H
The
thanks
very
much
for
that
very
good
question.
This
is
actually
a
part
of
the
research
that
we
have
we
have
done
and
as
moving
forward,
it
was
the
new
guidelines
and
the
set
of
zoning
bylaw.
The
each
city
has
different
circumstances
and
they
also
came
in
with
different
tools
and,
for
example,
Chicanos
25
meter.
Separation
is
in
their
guidelines
and
they're.
Not
they.
C
No
no
I
get
that,
but
that
are
gone.
I
mean
I,
think
ran
laughter,
I,
don't
know
your
last
name
better
say
you
were
arguing
that
there's
a
difference
between
guidelines
and
and
zoning
I
mean
I
thought
the
minimum
requirements
and
those
other
cities,
but
even
if
they're,
not
that
the
guidelines
are
not
recommending
significantly
larger
separation
distances
from
what's
in
the
zoning
bylaw.
So
regardless
of
whether
they're,
legally
binding
or
not
I'm,
just
really
just
trying
to
understand
what
the
planning
rationale
so
I'm.
C
A
That's
when
we
were
whispering
over
in
our
corner
too
about
the
difference
here
with
the
parliamentary
precinct
and
also
even
between
like
beechwood
and
and
the
view
between
beechwood
and
the
downtown
I
mean
they
would
have
the
opportunity
in
those
other
cities
to
go
skyscraper
on
and
have
the
distances
and
have
something
of
some
of
one
of
those
designs.
It
was
like
a
wave
and
etc
like
that
so,
but
does
anyone
else
have
any
questions,
because
I
think
I'd
like
to
make
a
recommendation.
A
I
was
speaking
to
court
curry
and
councilor
flurry
before
he
left
was
asking
for
a
meeting
with
some
of
his
community
associations
on
this
before
council.
So
this
is
what
I'm
going
to
advise
we're
not
having
separate
meetings.
Okay,
honestly,
we're
not
going
to
do
that.
What
we're
going
to
do
is
we're
going
to
provide
mr.
A
Curry's
going
to
have
his
staff
provide
a
technical
briefing
in
this
room
next
week,
so
that
there's
lots
of
time
some
of
them
next
week
that
anybody
who's
interested
or
has
any
community
associations
representatives
that
would
be
interested,
even
though
220
of
them
were
invited
in
February
to
participate
plus
the
FCA
and
only
two
did,
even
though
all
of
that
they're
going
to
provide
that
that
sound,
fair,
yeah.
Okay,
all
right,
thank
you.
So
thank
you
very
much.
A
C
A
So
we
do
have
to
vote
on
the
motion
so
we'll
vote
on
the
the
LI
promotion
came
in
first
actually,
even
though
I
had
you
introduced
it
so
on
the
LI
promotion,
it's
like
a
major
win
fee
and
this
on
behalf,
if
you
remember
councillor
McKenney
storefront,
so
on
the
LI
promotion,
the
carry
and
then
on
the
Nussbaum
motion,
which
is
to
increase
the
craft
brew
places
to
350
square
metres.
Is
that
carry
thank
you
cheers.
A
A
A
Think
I
know
who
it
is,
but
I'll
just
check
to
make
sure
Bronson
Center
is
represented
by
Cori
Mabel
and/or,
JP
Melville,
all
right,
okay,
you're
on
solo
come
on
down.
I
hope.
You
found
that
interesting
that
really
yeah
yeah.
It
was
a
good
time.
I
can
tell
okay.
So
this
is
the
just
remind
everybody
that
this
is
the
zoning
amendment
on
live
music
and
performance
venues.
K
Button,
thank
you
very
much
for
having
Bronson
Center
here
today.
I'm
JP
Malvo,
representing
Bronson,
senator
Cory,
Maybelle
and,
of
course,
I'm
representing
the
board.
The
previous
session
was
fascinating.
I
am
a
planner
myself,
so
I
like
the
theater
I
enjoy
it.
Apologies
to
the
rural
communities
of
Ottawa,
I
was
out
of
town
and
not
able
to
present
to
agricultural
committee.
K
Culture
and
cultural
space,
particularly
Bronson
Center
play
an
important
role
to
people
across
Ottawa
and,
of
course,
outside
of
Ottawa,
as
well
as
a
performance
center
I'm,
not
in
an
official
capacity
to
represent
other
venues
in
the
downtown
core.
But
I
would
like
to
make
mention
of
everybody,
ranging
from
the
new
building
at
arts
court
in
nouvelle
Sen
and
Ottawa
Little
Theatre
great
Canadian,
Theatre
Company,
the
Gladstone,
the
Chinese
cultural
center
on
Kent
Street.
K
K
Bronson
Center
is
now
playing
a
key
role
in
that
function.
What
is
that
role
that
Bronson
Center
plays
well
1996
Bronson
Center
was
founded
by
the
grey
sisters
in
1928.
Immaculata
was
founded,
so
we're
going
back.
Almost
a
hundred
years
now,
Bronson
Center
celebrated
20
years
of
operations,
I'd
like
to
point
out
that
those
operations
were
revenue
positive
for
a
charity.
It
is
a
successful.
K
In
that
sense,
revenue
haunted,
there's
been
a
lot
of
sleeping
through
the
cracks
for
Bronson
Center
because
of
its
success.
There's
a
lot
of
pressure
out
there
in
the
in
the
and
contemporary
Canada
to
to
promote
social
enterprise
and
as
the
successful
social
enterprise
low
and
behold
they
slip
through
cracks.
Well,
you
don't
need
help
and
we're
not
looking
for
help
I'm,
not
here
today
to
ask
for
assistance,
Bronson,
Center
I'm
here
to
promote
and
support
the
amendment
for
Bronson
Center
and
st.
Bridget's
downtown.
K
It's
a
reflection
of
the
changes
that
are
taking
place
and
the
importance
of
concentration
of
cultural
activities
in
the
downtown
core
and
making
that
accessible
not
only
to
the
citizens
of
Ottawa,
but
also
to
the
tourist
industry.
That
is
very,
very
important
to
Ottawa
as
our
nation's
capital
I'm.
Just
going
to
click
to
my
next
slide
here
that
is
Bronson
Center
should
be
familiar
to
a
lot
of
people
45,000
square
feet
of
community
space.
There
are
40
up
to
40
different
nonprofit
organizations
operating
out
of
the
Bronson
Center
every
day
as
a
charity.
K
Bronson
Center
provides
affordable
space
that
includes
the
850
seat
theater
and
the
200
seat
community
hall,
which
also
has
a
stage
and
a
commercial
kitchen
effectively.
Over
the
last
20
years,
Bronson
Center
has
operated
as
a
cultural
community
space.
It
serves
a
wide
range
of
people
here
in
Ottawa,
ranging
from
new
immigrant
communities
who
use
it
as
a
faith
center
on
the
weekends
to
spectra
sonic
who
promotes
indie
in
its
mid-sized.
It's
an
opportunity
as
a
mid-sized
auditorium.
K
850
seats
is
like
that.
Oh
I
guess
I
could
show
the
theater
now
thanks
a
lot
to
say
about
all
of
that.
Well,
that
is
the
theater
and
what
you
will
see.
There
is
some
of
the
renovations
that
have
taken
place
recently,
but
three
years
ago
we
installed
the
flattened
floor
where
the
removable
seats
are
seen.
What
you
can
see
here
that
is
now
a
dance
floor,
mosh
pit
orchestra
Petra.
It
is
created
a
versatile
space
in
that
theater.
K
We
can
go
to
the
next
slide
and
because
I
was
going
to
show
you
sorry,
let's
go
back
one.
The
green
rooms
are
part
of
their
would
have
been
upgraded
at
the
Bronston
Center
over
the
past
five
years.
Next
slide
sure
thanks
and
here's
the
community
on
the
the
commercial
kitchen,
which
also
was
recently
in
the
past
three
years,
I.
Think
that
grated
what
I
want
to
say
about
the
20
years
of
Bronson
Center,
just
like
seeing
budgets
is
that
it
has
been
evolving
and
growing
over
20
years.
K
Its
successes
represented
in
that
look
at
that
that
staff
at
City
of
Ottawa
have
seen
delight
to
recognize
its
cultural
role
in
the
City
of
Ottawa,
and
so
the
sand
is
one
of
those
important
factors
that
has
to
be
taken
into
consideration.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
that
20
years
of
bouncing
centre.
Yes,
I
think
most
of
you
know
that
it
was
the
gray
sisters
of
the
immaculate
conception.
K
A
Great,
it's
absolutely
just
saying
to
counter
leaper
that
there's
a
lot
to
be
said
for
the
older
schools
that
built
theaters
into
their
auditoriums
into
their
school
and
not
cafetorium
is
with,
if
you're,
lucky
a
polo
bleacher.
So
thank
you
for
saving
it
and
investing
in
it.
I
can't
really
per
has
question
really.
E
K
The
music
shows
are
well
I
can
do
a
couple
of
things.
We've
pushed
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
revenues
for
Bronson
Center,
and
that
probably
reflects
over
seven
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
spin
off
to
the
community
and
on
my
count
over
thirty
in
2017,
okay,
okay
and
that's
indeed
concerts.
That's
not
the
community
activities
and
cultural
activities
also
taking
place
in.
E
The
bank
so
folks,
like
Specter
sonic
or
you
know
some
of
the
promoters
bring
in
shows
in
there
fantastic
the
the
zoning
has.
It
has
there's
only
never
been
an
issue
for
Boston
Center.
Have
you
ever
had
a
problem
that
you
weren't
previously
have
theater
as
a
as
a
permitted
use
in
in
the
zoning
theater.
K
Was
not
a
recognized
use,
it
was
a
school
and
then
in
2008
we
got
the
zoning
for
the
residential,
because
part
of
bouncing
Center
is
also
residential
services
for
Elizabeth
Fry
Society,
so
that
was
a
support
from
the
City
of
Ottawa.
This
is
new
support,
recognizing
his
traditional
uses
over
the
past
20
years.
E
K
B
A
E
Respect
to
the
intake
that
was
provided
by
the
auto
music
industry
coalition,
there
is
some
language
in
the
report
that
has
got
will
Mike,
who
are
partners
in
the
new
music
strategy
concerned
about
the
long
term,
zoning
considerations
to
have
Live
Music
Venues.
You
are
not
proposing
to
have
a
new
designation
for
music
venues.
They
feel
that
the
door
has
been
shut
to
that
discussion.
Is
there
the
potential
at
some
point
in
future,
to
review
how
cultural
venues
are
working
and
have
a
discussion
with
them
about
whether
or
not
at
some
point
in
future?
I
E
We've
what
well
we
are
lucky
good.
What
we
found
was
was
that
the
existing
definitions
are
as
are
as
clear
and
distinctive
as
they
can
be
using
the
relatively
blunt
object
of
zoning.
That
being
said,
the
question
of
where
some
of
these
uses
as
they're
currently
defined,
whether
theaters
or
what
technically,
under
the
zoning,
is
a
nightclub
where
they
might
be
permitted.
Of
course,
the
good
news
story
of
looking
at
all
this
is
that
these
uses
are
permitted
in
most
of
the
the
commercial
zones.
E
The
broader
good
news
story,
of
course,
is
said:
you
know
we're
recognizing
human.
The
report
that
live
music
is
not
only
is
it
not
just
a
use
by
itself,
but
it's
something
that
is
appropriate
as
an
accessory
used
to
any
commercial
use.
So
that
gives
a
lot
of
clarity
and
comfort
to
the
various
unconventional
venues
that
may
have
shows
record
stores.
Restaurants,
ice
cream
shops,
aware
of
our
music,
wants
to
happen.