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Planning Committee meeting – June 27, 2019 – Audio Stream
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A
A
C
C
Test
test
better,
so
so
what
happened?
So
heather
has
a
new
job
she's
now
a
supervisor
of
technical
things
at
the
City
of
Ottawa
okay.
So
we
always
need
to
have
a
back-up
plan,
because
I
would
not
have
gone
forward.
What
we
were
doing
is
seeing
whether
the
council
chambers
were
available
because
we're
going
to
be
here
for
quite
a
while.
It's
not
fair,
certainly
to
have
so
many
people
have
to
stand,
but
it's
not
fair
more,
so
even
for
people
that
can't
even
hear
what's
going
on.
C
What's
the
point
you
might
as
well
stay
at
home
problem
is:
if
we
move
there,
we
wouldn't
have
any
audio
feed,
so
people
who
are
at
home
wouldn't
be
able
to
hear,
and
certainly
there's
a
lot
of
staff
that
don't
come
here.
They
listen
at
their
desks
so
for
the
last
time
we're
putting
in
a
request-
and
we
do
expect
to
see
it
in
the
budget
money
mm-hmm.
C
F
C
You
want
to
speak
to
something
else
for
item
number:
seven.
Okay,
then
I
might
want
to
go
back
to
work
and
we'll
call
you,
okay,
we're
holding
number
seven
okay
catch
vice
chair
tyranny,
vice
chair
tyranny.
On
number
eight,
we
don't
have
any
speakers,
but
we
do
have
a
technical
amendment,
and
this
is
the
front
ending
reports.
Cambrian
Road
and
Apple
hoon,
Way,
Delphinus,
I,
don't
even
know
how
these
names
come
up.
C
E
E
We
have
a
second
technical
amendment,
therefore,
it
be
resolved.
The
planning
committee
recommend
to
council
that
the
fourth
recommendation
be
added
to
their
report.
For
that,
the
amendment
to
the
front
end
agreement,
forshay
Road
pump
station,
be
authorized
to
increase
the
total
funding
envelope
from
two
hundred
and
four
thousand
four
hundred
and
three
dollars,
plus
up
the
old
taxes
to
three
million
five
hundred
and
four
thousand
four
hundred
and
three
dollars
plus
applicable
taxes
and
further
be
resolved.
C
Number
nine:
we
have
no
speakers.
So
this
item
is
land
use,
constraints.
Amendment
and
Leitrim
Road
realignment
elevation
of
an
extend
within
the
Official
Plan.
Anybody
have
any
questions
or
is
that
carried
carried?
Thank
you
item
number.
Ten
is
stormwater
management
guidelines
for
the
Pine
Crest
Creek
West
burrow
one,
oh,
okay,
sorry
I
get
into
that.
A
C
E
C
C
D
C
So
I'm
going
to
I'm
going
to
just
ask
my
committee
colleagues,
as
you
know,
at
12:30,
normally
I
would
say
to
you:
do
you
want
to
break
for
lunch?
I'm,
just
asking
you
if
you
would
like
to
make
that
decision
now,
so
that
people
who
are
here
but
doesn't
have
to
be
at
12:30.
It
could
be
before
that.
Okay,
it
could
be
like
an
11:30
or
noon
so.
C
Right
now
is
not
an
option;
no,
no!
This
is
not
school
and
there
is
no
recess
well.
There
is,
but
not
today.
So
how
about
we
say
this
and
I'm
saying
this
for
the
information
of
people
who
are
here
because
we
have
held
virtually
well
absolutely
the
majority
of
the
items,
and
we
have
speakers,
so
you
can
use
your
time
wisely
and
leave
and
know
that
it's
a
certain
time
we're
going
to
be
stopping
for
half
an
hour.
So
I
would
say:
let's
go
for
12:00,
okay,
twelve
o'clock,
that's
good!
Everybody
shaking
the
head!
C
G
You,
madam
chair
and
councillors
today
we're
discussing
two
particular
items
that
pertain
to
the
Greystone
village
subdivision.
Just
a
couple
of
points
of
in
terms
of
orientation.
The
Greystone
village
subdivision
is
an
old
Ottawa
East
community
between
the
Rideau
River
and
the
east
side
of
Main
Street.
It's
approximately
600
meters,
south
of
the
least
transit
station.
It's
about
26
acres
in
size,
93
meters
of
frontage,
along
Main,
Street,
475
meters
of
frontage
along
the
Rideau
River.
The
de
châtelet
building
is
central
to
the
site.
G
It's
existed
there
since
1885
and
it,
along
with
the
ground,
LAN
forecourt,
have
been
designated
under
part
four
of
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act.
There's
a
series
of
prominent
trees
that
exist
along
the
ground,
la
proposed
to
be
retained
and
the
subject
site
includes
up
to
six
meters
of
dump
fill
in
some
areas
which
has
had
the
effect
of
artificially
raising
the
grade.
G
This
is
the
overall
concept
plan
for
Greystone
village.
Two
buildings
were
recently
proposed,
one
fronting
on
Main
Street,
which
is
known
as
building
2a
I'll
use
a
pointer
there,
2a
and
2b
circled
in
the
red.
There
there's
an
eight
story:
building
under
construction
right
now
as
to
25
scholastic
drive
and
a
nine-story
building
under
construction
right
now
at
5:30
de
macedon
in
this
area
2a,
and
to
be
submitted.
G
The
two
processes
before
you
today
are
an
official
plan
amendment
to
modify
wording
in
the
old
Ottawa
East
secondary
plan
and
then
a
site-specific
zoning
amendment
to
1000
blades
Avenue
for
the
proposed
building
of
to
be
so
I'm
going
to
start
with
the
Official
Plan
amendment.
There
are
three
provisions
in
the
secondary
plan
that
I'd
like
to
draw
your
attention
to,
and
this
is
a
Schedule
A
of
the
land
use
from
the
secondary
plan.
G
So
the
first
provision
that's
relevant,
is
within
the
land,
use
and
design
policies,
and
it
speaks
to
no
buildings
higher
than
six
storeys
and
the
entire
secondary
plan
area,
except
for
those
within
the
precinct
that
is
known
as
gray,
stone,
village
or
the
mixed-use
center
area.
The
second
provision,
that's
of
relevance,
is
that
building
heights
within
the
medium
rise
area
will
not
exceed
9
storeys.
G
Now
within
gray,
stone,
village,
there's
two
medium
rise
areas,
there's
a
mixed
use,
medium
rise
area
and
a
residential
medium
rise
area,
so
the
mixed
use,
medium
rise
area
is
what
we're
going
to
be
talking
about.
Today
is
located
in
the
center
area
of
the
portion
there
and
it's
it's
sort
of
a
hot,
pink
color
on
the
schedule.
G
That's
the
area
shown
in
brown
there's
also
a
provision
that
related
zoning
will
reflect
transition
between
Heights
in
this
range
and
buildings
and
proximity
of
lower
heights,
but
the
policies
are
silent
in
terms
of
a
reference
to
the
mixed
use,
medium
rise,
designation,
except
for
it
belonging
within
the
precinct
of
grey
stone,
village
and
the
parent
reference
in
relation
to
the
medium
rise
areas.
So
the
contradiction
of
the
conflict
in
policy
is
that
within
the
general
provisions,
there's
a
reference
to
both
with
six
storeys
and
a
nine
stories
height
limit.
Also
within
the
secondary
plan.
G
It
speaks
to
a
variety
of
residential
building
types
in
ten
years:
complimentary,
architectural
treatments,
compatibility
and
transition
and
maintaining
public
access
through
the
site
so
now
going
to
the
zoning
provisions.
So
this
is
a
slide
showing
the
zoning
that's
in
place
right
now,
overlaid
with
that
secondary
plan
designation.
This
zoning
for
Graystone
Village
was
approved
in
2015,
so
there's
a
few
provisions
that
I
would
just
want
to
touch
base
on
the
traditional
Main
Street
zoning
was
put
in
place
for
this
particular
policy
or
project.
G
So,
in
terms
of
the
staff
recommendation,
first
want
to
point
out
that
the
original
application
to
staff
was
she
referenced.
The
general
provisions
in
the
secondary
plan
that
they
not
exceed
building
heights
in
both
medium
rise
areas
not
exceed
nine
stories,
because
there
is
a
medium
mixed
use.
Medium
rise
area
up
here,
known
as
four
man,
Street
that
say,
was
initially
signed
and
notification
was
sent
out
related
to
that.
But
the
staff
recommendation
now
is
not
to
the
general
provisions.
G
It's
the
specific
provisions
within
Graystone
Village,
so
we're
not
recommending
any
changes
in
the
secondary
plan
to
that
form.
An
avenue
so
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out.
We're
recommending
two
changes
as
part
of
the
Official
Plan
one
is
that
a
range
of
building
heights
between
three
and
nine
stories
be
permitted
for
the
mixed
use,
medium
rise,
designation
within
Graystone,
Village,
that
pink
area
and
then
to
strike
from
the
general
provisions
that
building
heights
will
not
exceed
in
the
medium
nine
stories,
because
it's
not
required
it's
irrelevant.
G
G
G
The
recommended
zoning
bylaw
before
you
that
site-specific
is
to
amend
the
portion
of
the
property
with
a
nine
story,
building
to
include
a
height
schedule
so
that
a
height
schedule
is
shown
on
the
right,
and
that
includes
a
variety
of
setbacks
and
Heights
at
varying
stories.
So
it
locks
in
those
setbacks
and
step-back.
G
The
proposal
on
the
Left
shows
one
of
the
earlier
versions
and
the
Purple's
on
the
right
is
what's
before
you
today
and
I
just
want
to
point
out
some
of
the
changes
that
were
made
through
the
course
of
the
review
of
the
application.
The
massing
of
the
nine
story
building
was
modified
to
introduce
step
backs
above
the
six
storey.
So
above
here,
this
portion
of
the
building
was
pulled
back.
G
Balconies
were
modded
modified
to
inset
some
and
remove
others.
So
you'll
notice.
This
Bay
of
balconies
here
has
been
inset
along
the
right
side
and
other
balconies
had
been
removed.
Further
on
those
upper
stories,
kitchen
and
indoor
seating
facilities
in
the
rooftop
amenity
area
have
been
removed
completely
stone
was
incorporated
along
the
main
body
of
the
nine
story.
G
Now
this
just
shows
this
is
a
staff
generated
image,
so
it's
not
submitted
by
the
applicant,
but
we
put
the
building
in
its
context
to
just
evaluate
really
the
relationship
between
the
buildings,
others
surrounding
it
and
the
belt
form
that's
proposed.
This
is
an
earlier
vision
of
the
nine
story.
Building
that's
shown
here,
so
it
doesn't
reflect
all
the
changes
that
were
made
for
the
application,
but
I
just
wanted
to
show
a
part
of
this
to
talk
about.
G
Why
we're
supporting
the
site,
specific
zoning
amendment
part
of
the
reason
is
related
to
the
location
of
the
site,
subject
to
the
others
in
the
area,
so
Main
Street
that
where
the
six
storeys
is
permitted,
is
75
meters
from
the
site.
So
this
is
an
interior
site
related
to
the
Main
Street,
and
the
de
Chatelet
building
is
located
as
I
mentioned.
110
meters
from
the
subject
site
so
in
between
the
de
Chatelet
building,
and
the
nine
stories
proposed
is
a
new
public
road.
G
A
series
of
town
homes
or
three-story
buildings
proposed
right
now,
a
public
park
and
then
the
de
châtelet
building
the
shape
and
the
massing
of
the
building
was
important
to
our
discussion.
It's
an
l-shaped
building
with
varying
setbacks
and
step
backs.
So
it's
got
a
limited
frontage
along
the
day.
Shot
are
along
the
ground
la
here
and
then
a
series
of
step
backs,
as
I
mentioned
above
the
six
storey.
G
Mississip
again
back
to
the
original
concept
plan,
the
building
is
set
back
six
point,
two
meters
from
the
grande
la
at-grade
and
then
between
two
point:
seven,
four
point:
two
meters
from
oblate
Savin
it
with
varying
step
boxes.
It
goes
up.
We
reviewed
their
transportation
study,
the
Sun
shadow
study
are
evaluated,
privacy
impacts
from
and
the
bill
form
impacts
of
this
particular
site
specific
zoning
amendment
and
feel
that
it
does
not
cause
undue
adverse
impact.
It
is
a
change.
This
is
a
change.
G
C
C
Okay,
just
for
everyone's
information,
so
I
don't
have
to
repeat
it.
Everybody
has
five
minutes
to
speak
in
five
minutes.
Only
if
I
sense
that
you're
going
to
go
long,
I
probably
will
tell
you
that
you
have
a
minute
or
less
just
to
give
you
a
heads
up.
So
you
have
the
opportunity
to
wrap
up,
but
I'm
I
am
known
to
stick
to
the
five
minutes
and
I'm
absolutely
sticking
to
the
five
minutes.
So
welcome
Heather
you're
the
first
one
up
today
and
you
have
five
minutes.
Thank
you.
H
Very
much
madam
chair
and
councilor
council
members
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
in
opposition
to
the
proposed
amendment.
The
terms
of
the
secondary
plan
relevant
to
this
site
were
negotiated
over
a
period
of
several
years
to
reach
a
three-way
compromise
amongst
the
owner
of
the
property
on
behalf
of
subsequent
developers,
staff
from
the
city's
Planning
Department
and
residents
of
the
community.
The
intent
of
the
secondary
plan
was
twofold:
to
protect
the
historical
legacy
of
st.
H
Paul
and
deal
blades,
and
to
provide
planning
predictability
for
the
community,
in
particular
for
future
residents
of
the
area
in
question
and
a
change
to
the
city's
legal
planning.
Documents
must
therefore
be
renegotiated
with
all
three
parties
at
the
table
to
again,
as
established
a
compromise
acceptable
to
all
three.
The
current
application
is
the
wish
of
the
developer
only
and
is
not
supported
by
the
community.
H
H
Development
has
occurred
as
part
of
a
whole
picture,
not
piece
by
piece
and
must
continue
to
do
so.
Changes
to
the
approved
secondary
plan
and
the
Official
Plan
must
only
be
made
as
part
of
a
comprehensive
review
process
that
looks
at
the
community.
As
all
that
looks
at
the
city
as
a
whole.
Changes
must
not
be
made
piecemeal,
as
that
destroys
the
integrity
of
your
planning
process.
H
The
residents
of
old
Ottawa
East
are
not
NIMBYs,
they
support
intensification,
but
it
must
occur
in
a
regulated
way
and
within
the
parameters
of
approved
planning
documents.
If
it
does
so,
the
community
will
support
it.
In
fact,
there
are
already
nine
eight
and
nine
storey
buildings
on
construction
on
the
Greystone
property.
The
community
has
not
objected
to
these
because
the
building's
respect
the
approved
plans
and
are
in
appropriate
locations
for
the
height
being
built.
H
The
applicants
request
covers
other
parcels
of
land
near
channel
Blatz.
It's
obvious
that
the
applicants
intention
is
to
change
the
potential
development
possibilities
of
these
properties
to
increase
their
marketability.
The
community
is
justified
in
fearing
that
any
developer
might
then
cover
the
land
with
additional
tall
buildings
totally
inappropriate
for
these
locations.
H
The
planning
rationale
for
the
Greystone
site
was
that
heights
of
the
buildings
would
sloped
gradually
towards
the
river,
with
the
de
satellite
building
being
the
focal
point
and
the
tallest
structure
between
Main
Street
and
the
Rideau
River.
This
was
to
ensure
a
degree
of
relatability
between
the
structures.
The
increase
in
height
proposed
as
a
zoning
amendment,
negates
that
rationale.
H
This
application
should
be
rejected
for
ignoring
the
intent
of
the
community
design
plant
and
the
resultant
secondary
plan.
It
should
be
rejected
for
establishing
an
unwise
precedent
for
the
undeveloped
lands
covered
by
the
application.
It
should
be
rejected
for
again
at
to
destroy
the
trust
of
the
community
in
the
planning
process.
Half
a
minute.
This
is
not
just
a
technical
issue.
This
is
a
moral
issue
minute.
You
have
approved
zoning
and
secondary
plans
to
provide
predictability
and
assurances
to
the
citizens
you
represent.
H
C
Just
a
minute,
vice-chair
I
didn't
didn't
occur
to
me,
to
mention
the
fact
that
we
don't
applaud.
Nor
do
we
boo.
We
treat
people
with
respect
and
I
know
that
you're
happy,
but
what
Heather
had
to
say
you
can
put
your
hand
but
I
think
what
the
rule
at
the
what
we
did
with
these
Salvation
Army
is.
We
said
if
you're
really
really
supported
it
for
300
people
that
came
out
put
your
hand
up,
and
you
you
know
like
this
something
silent,
but
that's
not
happening.
C
E
E
I
I
There's
a
love
fest
here
in
2011
August
I
was
engaged.
After
with
the
institutional
properties
they
were
sold.
We
were
sold
to
the
sisters
sold
to
domicile
and
the
oblate
so
to
regional
I've
submitted
my
written
comment.
So
I
doubt
they've
had
time
to
read
them:
they're,
not
complete,
but
if
you
have
questions
about
certain
items
in
the
staff
report,
please
go
to
my
comments.
I've
laid
it
out
that
way.
If
I
didn't
know,
I'd
be
speaking.
Second,
today
I
pulled
out
this
document.
I
Had
it
scanned
I,
don't
know
if
you
have
it
I,
don't
know.
If
it's
able
to
be
up
there,
I
guess
it
is
there.
It
is
okay,
so
I'm
involved
for
a
long
time.
This
is
the
concept
plan
May,
21st
2014
on
the
subject.
Property
shows
those
to
brown.
Everybody
see
those
brown
ones
on
the
subject
property.
Those
are
indicated
to
be
three
stories,
can't
maybe
read
it,
but
look
at
the
actual
document
that
I've
passed
on
that
was
scanned,
and
then
you
have
the
frontage
properties
that
are
six
stories.
I
So
there's
four
four
separate
buildings
on
that:
there's
lots
of
concepts
as
we
went
along
but
or
as
regional
went
along,
but
they
never
got
higher
than
six
storeys
and
never
got
less
than
two
buildings.
So
I
just
can't
accept
this
fact
that
they've
put
the
premise
out
there
that
they
could
build
a
shoebox.
That's
what
they
could.
Okay
I
doubt
it.
Don't
you
already
be
really
happy
about
that.
I
guess
the
question
I
gotta
be
briefed
only
got
five
minutes
ago.
I
The
real
question
is:
how
do
we
get
from
this
concept
with
the
high-rise
buildings,
where
they
should
be
nine
stories
in
the
south?
Even
let's
see
one
building
on
this
concept
is
six
storeys.
We've
got
the
same
townhouses
in
front
of
the
desk
Adelaide
we've
got
one
building,
that's
six
storeys
and
can't
be
any
higher
than
eighty
three
point:
seven,
which
is
the
height
of
that.
A
shot
late
building,
how
did
it
get
to
9
storeys,
it's
14
meters,
14
meters,
above
that
the
châtelet
building
I,
was
going
to
talk
about
the
you
RDP
comments.
I
I
Don't
know
what
else
I'm
just
I'm.
Basically
this
makes
me
sick
and
I've
told
Murray
child,
not
when
I
came
in
this
morning,
I
couldn't
couldn't
help,
but
doing
so
I,
don't
think
I've
got
anything
else
to
say:
I'm
just
really
really
really
disappointed
that
we've
gone
from
this
concept
to
an
approved
concept
having
buildings
on
this
property.
C
You
the
questions:
Thank
You,
mr.
dance,
John
dance,
followed
by
Phyllis
Auden
box
Sutton,
president
of
the
old
Ottawa
East
Community
Association,
and
mr.
good,
keep
me
did
breach
I
certainly
did
read
them
and
I
know
what
you're
talking
about
it.
We
made
it
easy
with
the
pages.
It
was
really
appreciated.
Thank
you.
Mr.
your
dance
just.
J
Thank
you
very
much
chair
back
in
2012,
I.
Think
a
few
of
you
were
here
were
there
at
the
planning
summit
that
the
mayor
had.
We
need
greater
predictability
and
certainty
when
it
comes
to
development
in
our
city.
We
all
heard
that
maybe
the
Planning,
Department
and
regional
may
not
have,
but
the
rest
of
us
heard
that
we
believed
mayor
Watson.
J
Key
dates
in
this
effort
are
that
in
2005
the
CDP
process
began
in
Ottawa
East
2011,
the
CDP
secondary
plan
were
approved,
2015
gray,
stone
village
was
rezone,
and
here
we
are
four
years
later,
regional
saying.
Oh
no,
we
didn't
mean
that
we
want
a
50%
increase
in
front
of
Desjarlais.
Okay,
that's
that's
like
that's.
What's
happened
here
now,
the
realities
are
that
at
absolutely
no
point
during
the
CDP
secondary
process
program
was
the
original
zoning
of
nine
stores
to
the
west
of
the
chalet,
discuss,
proposed
or
discussed,
and
indeed
had
it
been.
J
J
Secondly,
who
would
and
was
involved
in
this
process
ever
heard?
Nobody
heard
this
city
staff
sight
the
ambiguity
of
the
secondary
plan,
but
there
was
absolutely
no
intent
to
allow
more
than
six
storeys
west
of
the
châtelet
staff,
didn't
even
check
with
the
proponents,
even
in
their
own
staff,
I'm
sure
and
within
the
performance
of
the
CDD
secondary
plan
to
determine
intent.
They
simply
decided
decide
it
with
a
developer's
official
plan
amendment,
but
also,
how
is
that
good
planning?
You
know,
mrs.
J
O'connell
speaks
that
this
has
been
good
planning,
but
it
is
not
good
planning
when
you
don't
consider
what
the
intent
was.
Just
look
at
this
is
a
picture
of
what
the
demonstration
plan
approved
by
the
people
who
sold
the
property
at
discounted
price
because
they
didn't
want
big
buildings.
This
is
what
what
this
is,
what
it
looked
like,
that
was
a
win
that
was
the
house.
Look
all
six
storeys
in
front
of
Desjarlais.
Okay,
then
make
no
mistake
about
it.
This
is
how
it
looked
from
the
ground.
J
All
a
you
know
the
châtelet
residence
was
for
most.
It
was
the
key
to
this.
It
wasn't
overshadowed
look
at
the
the
heights,
the
heights.
It
was
clearly
specified
that,
for
the
section
in
front
of
section
C
in
front
of
an
justifying
their
little
pointer
pointer
here,
thanks
Ron,
all
this
section
C
has
says
up
here:
six
storeys,
20
meters.
This
is
what
was
in
the
demonstration
plan,
no
mistake
about
it:
okay
and
then
we
move
on
to
regionals
proposal,
four
years
later,
2015
and
here's
what
they
had.
J
They
had
six
story
buildings
in
front
of
a
delay.
This
is
a
zoning
you
approved.
Let's
take
another
look.
This
is
how
they
had
it.
What
they're
proposing
see
where
it
says
the
purple
ones?
The
six
story:
condo,
that's
where
they're
now
proposing
a
nine
story.
This
was
not
consistent
with
what
was
ever
discussed,
absolutely
not
again,
another
another
picture,
what
they
present
it
just
four
years
ago.
J
It
was
all
all
twenty
meters
six
stories
so
conclusion,
so
they
want
a
regional
wants
in
the
city
wants
to
do
this
planning
stuff,
it
should
say,
want
to
revisit
something
to
prove.
Just
four
years
ago,
after
a
huge
amount
of
wherever
by
a
free
effort,
I
might
add
from
the
community
we
spent
a
lot
of
time.
This
is
a
waste
of
staff
time
it's
it's
a
waste
of
the
planning
committees,
time
and
it's
a
waste
of
the
community's
time.
It's
a
squandering
a
goodwill
that
regional
during
you
know
we
work
well
with
them.
J
They
were
good,
but
they're
just
blowing
it.
Then
we
can't
be
trusted.
This
request
cannot
be
what
mayor
Watson
had
in
mind
when
he
called
for
a
Great,
Creator
certainty
and
predictability.
I
got
to
ask
if
you've
made
any
progress
towards
greater
certainty
and
predictability.
It
appears
not.
There
is
no
ambiguity
whatsoever
in
the
old
Otto
East
secondary
plan
and
CDP
six
story.
Maximum
is
but
all
parties
support.
You
can't
come
along
ten
years
later
and
say:
oh,
we
didn't
mean
that.
Thank
you
very
much,
madam
chair
Thank.
C
K
J
K
Good
morning
my
name
is
Phyllis
Oden
back
Sutton
and
I'm
the
president
of
the
old
Ottawa
East
Community
Association.
Why
are
we
so
opposed
to
this
change?
There
are
a
number
of
reasons.
I
would
like
to
focus
on
several
key
ones:
number
one
respect
for
heritage.
The
original
owners
of
the
properties
worked
with
the
community
in
the
development
of
our
community
design
plan.
They
wanted
to
ensure
that
their
legacy
would
not
be
lost
through
development.
That
did
not
respect
the
key
historical
feature
of
the
site.
K
The
day
shuttle
a
building
all
of
the
lands
east
of
Saint
Paul
University,
which
is
the
brown
area
on
that
secondary
plan,
could
have
had
a
nine
could
have
had
nine
story
buildings
as
per
the
community
design
plan
and
the
secondary
plan
and
subsequent
zoning
regional
chose
to
build
low-rise
singles
and
towns
on
these
lands.
In
doing
so,
they
effectively
chose
to
reduce
their
ability
to
build
nine
story
buildings
where
they
were
zoned
to
be
built.
Why
should
the
community
now
allow
nine
story?
Buildings
elsewhere
on
the
site?
K
Number
two
ambiguity:
City
staff
have
suggested
that
our
secondary
plan
is
unclear
and
that
this
official
plan
amendment
is
all
about
removing
ambiguity.
There
is
no
ambiguity
with
the
intent
of
our
secondary
plan
with
respect
to
building
height
in
this
area
of
the
development,
but
the
residents
of
old
Ottawa
East
have
been
faced
with
ambiguity
created
by
city
staff.
The
staff
report
indicates
that
the
lands
subject
to
the
amendment
are
those
designated
as
mixed
use,
medium
rise
in
our
secondary
plan.
K
Those
are
the
pink
areas
on
the
slide
that
is
on
the
graph
and
that
these
lands
include
part
of
Greystone
village,
but
the
signage
at
the
steuby
site
lacks
a
map
of
the
affected
area.
It
continues
to
indicate
that
it
was
posted
on
April,
9th
2018
long
before
an
amendment
was
proposed.
So
what
is
the
scope
of
the
proposed
change?
Does
it
cover
all
parts
of
the
pink
areas
of
our
secondary
plan,
except
for
form?
An
Avenue
can
nine
story
buildings
really
be
built
in
front
of
behind
and
on
either
side
of
the
day.
K
Shoddily
building
have
the
lands
owned
by
st.
Paul
University
had
their
zoning
changed
as
well,
even
though
it
is
our
understanding
that
they
were
not
informed
by
the
city.
Yes,
there
is
ambiguity,
but
not
as
a
result
of
the
secondary
plan.
Number
three,
the
precedent-setting
nature
of
this
application.
A
number
of
community
members
submitted
comments
expressing
their
concern
that
an
increase
in
height
for
building
to
be
would
set
a
precedent
for
elsewhere
in
the
development.
The
staff
response
to
this
concern
is
outlined
on
page
35
of
their
report.
K
Planning
applications
do
not
set
precedent,
but
elsewhere
in
the
staff
report.
Indeed,
in
the
planning
rationale,
section
previous
planning
decisions
are
used
as
precedents.
For
example,
on
page
16,
there
is
a
reference
to
the
retirement
residence
at
225,
scholastic
Drive
exceeding
six
storeys
in
height
as
the
result
of
a
minor
variance
application.
This
looks
a
bit
inconsistent
to
us
since,
in
the
words
of
staff,
planning
applications
do
not
set
precedent.
In
conclusion,
the
proposal
does
not
represent
intensification.
K
The
total
number
of
units
is
relatively
unchanged
from
the
original
design
and
from
the
design
approved
in
2015.
The
rationale
for
this
change
appears
to
be
based
on
architectural
preference
and
perhaps
the
decision
to
build
low-density
single-family
homes
and
townhouses
or
nine
storey
buildings
were
zoned
old
Ottawa
East
is
a
community
that
has
experienced
and
continues
to
experience,
significant
intensification.
We
are
not
averse
to
change.
Indeed,
we
have
invested
hundreds
of
hours
voluntarily
in
the
development
of
our
Community
Design
plan,
which
was
then
turned
into
a
secondary
plan.
Please
respect
our
approved
plans.
Thank
you.
K
C
D
You
good
morning,
counselors
I,
recognize
and
thank
you
for
the
time
and
effort
you
put
into
your
positions,
both
as
city
councillors
and
as
members
of
planning
committee.
Thank
you
for
listening
I
plan.
To
be
brief,
I've
tried
in
vain
to
find
a
compelling
reason
why
the
applicants
request
for
this
amendment
should
be
accepted.
D
It
does
not
make
old,
Ottawa
East
more
of
a
neighborhood
Lauro
community.
It
does
not
enhance
the
majesty
of
the
heritage
du
Chatelet
building
and
it
does
not
make
Main
Street
more
of
a
traditional
Main
Street.
This
request
planning
committee
is
properly
called
an
amendment.
From
my
perspective,
however,
it
is
not
an
amendment
but
a
complete
dismantling
of
the
old
Ottawa
East
community
design
plan
and
the
secondary
plan.
I
do
not
presume
to
be
able
to
predict
the
long-range
effects
of
an
approval
of
this
amendment.
D
D
Promises
made
can
easily
be
promises.
Broken
second
approval
will
inevitably
increase
the
density
of
gray,
stone
village
in
a
long
term,
parcels
of
land
will
be
sold
off
by
regional
to
other
developers,
who
will
seek
increased
height
allowances.
The
added
density
will
aggravate
traffic
flow
in
the
area,
which
is
already
problematic.
D
C
L
C
C
L
L
It
is
very
disappointing,
to
say
the
least,
that
we
should
see
this
request
coming
from
regional.
At
this
point
at
the
point
at
which
I
bought
on
paper,
which
was
in
2015
all
the
representation
that
had
ever
appeared
of
what
was
planned
for
the
adjacent
Graystone
project
indicated
six
story,
buildings
across
the
street,
and
that
was
acceptable
and
that
also
respected
the
approved
secondary
plan.
L
L
That
the
effect
of
the
precedent
would
would
occur,
and
also
I
would
like
to
mention
that
the
the
staff
report
focuses
on
the
visibility
and
prominence
of
the
decide
to
shadow
a
building
really
almost
exclusively
from
the
point
of
view
of
Main
Street
at
the
grand
aller,
and
that
is
appropriate
as
far
as
it
goes.
But
surely
we
should
give
some
consideration
to
other
viewpoints,
a
pedestrian
on
Oh,
Blotz
Avenue,
a
pedestrian
on
the
ground
delay
closer
up
with
this
taller
building
beside
so
I
would
like.
C
N
My
name
is
Barbara
Kirk
I
live
on
Grand
Avenue
in
old
Ottawa,
East
and
I've
actually
been
a
resident
in
that
area
for
over
60
years,
our
little
area,
the
city,
was
for
a
long
time
a
very
quiet
place
that
nobody
really
paid
much
attention
to,
except
if
you're,
trying
to
get
downtown
fast,
buy
a
Main,
Street
or
possibly,
you
know
familiar
with
the
green
door.
Restaurant
very
popular
spot.
However,
all
that
changed
when
these
lands
became
available
for
development
and
faced
with
those
significant
changes
to
our
community.
N
N
At
the
way
the
process
works,
parties
prepare
proposed
changes,
they
they
discuss
counter
proposals
and
they
make
trade
offs
and
concessions,
but
they
bargain
in
good
faith,
because
they
everybody
wants
a
deal
in
the
end
and
for
you,
as
elected
officials,
you
yourselves
you're
in
office,
because
the
people
in
your
constituencies
voted
for
you,
because
I
thought
you
were
the
best
person
based
on
your
values
and
your
principles
who
would
represent
them
in
office.
This
was
an
effective
social
contract
that
you
have
with
the
people
in
your
constituency.
N
It's
a
pact
and
you
would
not
expect
to
break
that
pact.
The
trust
that
your
constituents
have
in
you.
So
the
regionals
proposal
is
the
this
deal.
That
would
they
agreed
to,
and
that
was
approved-
constitutes
a
breach
of
trust.
It's
kind
of
like
bargaining
in
bad
faith
and
you'd
wonder
how
little
moral
and
social
responsibilities
certain
developers
have,
if,
if
they
they
continue
to,
they
make
deals
and
then
then
come
back
and
ask
for
more
changes.
N
If
you
vote
for
this
amendment,
it's
it's
almost
like
you're.
You
know,
you're
condoning
the
the
behavior
that
it's
okay
to
make
deals
because
developers
are
going
to
come
back
anyway,
so
it
doesn't
really
matter
so.
In
conclusion,
I
would
respectfully
urge
you
to
deny
this
application
and
respect
the
approved
plan.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Miss.
O
C
O
Thank
you
good
morning
my
name
is
Alexandra
gruesome
Macaulay,
my
husband
and
I
purchased
a
new-build
home
in
old
Ottawa
East.
Four
years
ago
in
near
proximity
to
Greystone
village,
we
love
our
new
adopted
neighborhood
of
old
Ottawa
East.
Our
move
was
based
on
a
careful
study
of
old
Ottawa
East's
character,
as
well
as
planned
developments
and
changes
expected
to
take
place
in
the
community.
O
Before
moving
to
our
home
in
the
old
Ottawa
East,
we
spent
over
20
years
in
the
beautiful
community
of
Beaverbrook
in
Canada
north,
while
raising
our
children
in
Canada.
We
experienced
massive
development
and
change
throughout
Canada.
Some
of
these
changes
were
welcomed
by
residents,
but
many
developments
were
contested
as
not
respecting
zoning
and
community
character.
In
these
cases,
residents
would
hear
the
same
repeated
refrain
if
the
land
were
to
be
purchased
today.
Whatever
amendment
under
consideration
would
not
be
allowed,
however,
the
developer
purchased
the
land
many
years
ago
and
permissions
for
development
have
been
grandfathered.
O
O
We
attended
all
community
consultations
related
to
the
urban
park
at
the
Chatelet,
as
well
as
the
opening
of
the
Graystone
presentation
center,
where
the
plans
for
the
development
were
on
full
display.
It
was
like
a
breath
of
fresh
air.
Clearly,
all
stakeholders
were
coming
together
in
productive
collaboration.
O
While
it
is
true
that
the
language
of
ten
to
one
four
introduces
some
apparent
ambiguity,
any
changes
should
support
the
original
intent
of
the
plan,
which
could
not
be
clearer
that,
notwithstanding
limits
defined
in
the
Official
Plan,
mixed
use,
medium
rise
in
the
designated
zone
will
not
exceed
six
storeys
and
that
overall,
the
larger
section
of
Greystone
that
is
ordered
by
the
Rideau
River
will
not
exceed
9
storeys.
Since
this
larger
area
includes
residential,
medium
rise,
height
limits,
the
community
of
old
Ottawa
East
has
a
carefully
thought
through
secondary
plan.
O
C
D
D
An
anomaly
would
be
one
that
counselors
will
recall
in
2011
that
almost
killed
somebody
it
Bluesfest.
My
point
is
that
I
don't
think
these
are
anomalous
anymore.
I
think
they
may
be
considered
low
probability,
but
shouldn't
be
excluded
from
planning
studies
back
to
the
intersection
when
I
was
cycling.
Last
summer,
downtown
O'connor
in
the
Queensway
I
saw
a
front
coming
through
that
had
been
announced
on
the
radio
I
took
shelter
under
the
Queensway
and
a
few
minutes
later,
I
pedaled
home
through
Immaculata
and
by
the
time
I
got
to
this
intersection.
D
All
the
construction,
fencing
around
the
Immaculata
field
was
fly
and
they
were
getting
ready
to
work
on
that
field
and
they'd
set
up
this
stuff.
It
was
all
down
because
of
the
way
the
buildings
in
the
field
work.
Any
strong
winds
from
those
directions
are
shearing
abruptly
at
the
domicile
buildings
and
that
effect
is
going
to
increase,
as
development
is
built
further
along
Main
Street
I
think
that
intersection
is
already
feeling
like
it
can
be.
A
hazard
and
I.
Don't
think
that
hazard
should
be
lost
in
a
wash
of
seasonal
averages.
Thank
you.
P
P
Think
the
the
the
value
of
perhaps
a
perspective
that
I
can
add
to
this
discussion
is
really
focused
on
on
the
the
hair
that
heritage
aspects
and
the
impact
of
changing,
changing
the
planning
from
the
anticipated
six
to
nine
floors
and
and
a
consideration
of
that
in
relation
to
some
of
the
other
building
which
is
going
on
in
in
the
area.
I
just
like
to
say
that
my
wife
and
I
are
residents
of
the
corners
on
Maine.
P
We
moved
in
basically
in
July
and
arrived
from
Kudarat
Quebec
and
then
doing
that,
and
the
method
in
this
is
that
we
had
we
needed
to
be
closer
to
our
grandson,
who
was
sitting
in
the
back
there
and
and
and
the
people
who
take
care
of
him.
So
it's
sort
of
family
attractions
in
a
former
working
life
I
was
I,
played
a
leadership
role
with
Parks
Canada
in
in.
P
Finalizing
the
implementation
of
the
standards
and
guidelines
for
a
conservation
of
Historic
Places
in
Canada,
and
also
working
with
all
provinces
and
territories
to
have
the
standards
and
guidelines
adopted.
The
standards
and
guidelines
is
really
a
benchmark
for
sound
conservation
practice
in
Canada.
It
eating
it
talks
as
a
document
about
the
notion
of
a
cumulative
impact,
and
it
also
includes
a
specific
standard,
related
related
to
additions
to
historic
places
or
our
additions
or
additions
to
an
environment
which
have
an
impact
on
a
place
and
I
suggest.
P
I
would
suggest
to
the
the
committee
that
there
are
cumulative
impacts
and
significant
ones
which
are
underway
with
the
with
the
site,
specifically
with
reference
to
the
the
day
shots
all
a
building
which
is
a
designated
building
and
protected
under
the
Ontario
Heritage
Act,
but
also
just
as
a
reminder,
st.
Paul's
and
sacra
cough
are
both
on
the
municipal
Register
of
Historic
Places,
which
provides
a
very
modest
level
of
protection.
But
it
does
say
that
these
are
important
buildings
to
the
to
the
history
of
Ottawa.
P
Now,
just
just
you
know,
looking
at
it,
Minh
see
that
would
be.
Part
of
this
would
include
starting
off
with
a
retirement
home.
It's
nominally
lower
than
the
day
shot,
delay
building,
but
not
by
much
and
it's
extremely
close
to
the
day
shot
tool.
A
building,
and
the
overall
impression
is
that
that
structure
is,
is
I,
look
at
it
and
it's
bullying
and
and
swarming
through
the
day
shot
tool.
P
There's
you
know
certainly
on
the
particular
site,
with
the
planning
there's.
A
proposed
townhouses,
which
will
end
up
looking
sort
of
like
a
palisade
of
house
of
houses,
are
around
the
du
chatelet
building
and
the
view
plane
which
the
heritage
consultants
have
have
focused
on
is
is
actually
very,
very
narrow
and
and
looking
at
it.
P
The
the
addition
of
another
six
three
floors
to
the
two
to
two
block
to
be
just
reinforces
that
process
and
it's
further
reinforced
by
the
nine
story
building
and
the
other
and
the
other
structures
which
are
planned
for
in
adjacent
to
st.
Paul's
University.
At
least
those
buildings
are
somewhat
removed
from
st.
Paul's
and
showing
a
little
bit
of
respect
for
the
respect
for
the
building,
but
they
and
they
never
love
us,
have
an
impact
and
contribute
to
the
overall.
P
You
know
the
the
overall
cumulative
impacts
on
the
particular
designated
building
that
they
saw
today
so
I,
you
know,
I
think
it's
just
it's
creating
a
process
which
is
which
is
completely
inappropriate
from
from
a
heritage,
heritage,
conservation
perspective,
and
certainly
you
know
sort
of
is
a
reinforces.
I
think
the
observations
that
many
people
have
shared
with
you
about
keeping.
P
The
the
the
irony
is
that
my
grandchild,
Logan
is
a
student
in
he
just
started
school
at
oh,
the,
the
francophone
school
and
just
around
okay
dove
in,
and
if
the
negotiations
with
the
school
board
continue
that
he
could,
he
could
well
be
a
student
in
the
day
shots
are
they
building
if
it
is
used
as
a
school,
so
that
would
be
wonderful,
we're
rather
invested
in
the
community.
Thank.
C
You
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
to
committee
members
that
we
have
miss
sally
coots
is
somewhere
here
in
the
room.
Should
you
want
to
follow
up
with
any
heritage
questions
from
one
of
our
heritage
experts?
So,
as
I
said,
our
next
speaker
is
Lauren
at
Kingston
and
after
Lorna
will
hear
from
Karen
Dufton
Karen
is
the
president
of
the
board
of
directors
of
the
corners
on
Maine.
M
Welcome
Laura
thank
you
and
thank
you
councillors.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
congratulate
regional
group
for
their
cooperation
with
the
old
Ottawa
East
Community
Association,
when
the
project
was
initially
launched.
A
number
of
articles
extolling
this
cooperation,
appeared
in
the
Ottawa
Citizen
an
article
in
November
21st
to
14th
issue
of
the
citizen.
By
the
editor
of
the
home
section
stated,
the
community
has
worked
with
the
developers
to
create
a
village
vision
for
the
lucrative
chunk
of
land
between
Main
Street
in
the
reader
River.
M
The
editor
goes
on
to
say
that
the
Greystone
village
was
designed
in
close
collaboration
with
the
Community
Association,
which
spent
five
years
holding
public
meetings
and
drafting
a
community
development
plan.
Further
on
in
the
article
it
states
that
regional
presented
its
plan
to
the
community
and
met
loud
applause
and
the
capital
ward
councillor
David
Turner
chenko
stated
that
domicile
and
regional
read
the
community
design
plan
and
understood
what
the
community
wanted
with
sustainable
living
and
came
home
forward
with
proposals
that
were
compatible
and
I
quote
him.
Here
we
will
be
getting
intensity
without
going
high.
M
That
is
very
good.
The
Ottawa
Citizen
published
three
articles
featuring
the
Greystone
project
in
2014,
2015
and
2016,
all
extolling
the
cooperation
between
the
developers
and
the
community
people.
Like
me,
read
those
articles.
We
read
looked
at
the
community
development
plan
we
heard
about
how
there
there
was
cooperation
between
the
Builder
and
the
communities
development
plan
we
believed
would
be
read.
We
believed
what
we
saw
in
presentation
center,
which
was
six
story
buildings
in
that
space.
M
M
What
happened
to
this
cooperation
with
the
community
and
the
community
plan
once
the
Oblates
who
had
worked
so
hard
to
ensure
that
their
vision
was
respected,
had
moved
out
and
after
people
had
bought
into
this
old
Ottawa
East,
based
on
what
they
had
read
and
what
they
had
seen
with
their
own
eyes?
Regional
has
applied
for
this
change
to
the
zoning
bylaw
and
the
Official
Plan.
M
This
building
will
not
significantly
change
the
density,
but
it
will
destroy
our
plan.
It
will
create
a
precedent.
It'll
block
views
of
the
day,
Chateau
led
building,
that
is,
the
centerpiece
of
the
development
and
blocked
the
Sun
for
many
residents.
In
April
of
this
year's
City
Council
passed
a
climate
emergency
plan.
M
Declaration
staff
were
directed
to
review
the
city's
climate
change
plan
to
present
options
to
meet
the
reduction
targets
for
greenhouse
gas
emissions.
Does
this
application
to
change
the
Official
Plan
on
zoning
agree
with
the
climate
change
initiatives
in
Ottawa
the
ice
on
the
city
sidewalks
last
winter
will
certainly
not
be
helped
by
this
nine
story.
M
K
Thank
you,
I'm,
going
to
be
brief,
because
a
lot
of
what
I
had
prepared
to
say
has
already
been
said:
I
think
that
Lorna
Kingston
and
I
you
somehow
pretty
much
captured
everything
I
wanted
to
say,
I'm
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
board
of
directors
of
the
coroner's
on
main,
it's
a
67
unit,
six
story
building
that
will
be
located.
That's
located
across
from
Tanana
Blatz,
as
lernen
noted
most
of
us
bought
and
the
coroner's
on
main
well
for
any
shovels
had
gone
into
the
ground.
K
We
read
all
the
articles
in
the
citizen,
we
looked
at
the
community
plan
and
we
made
our
decision
based
on
what
we
had
read.
I
think
the
difference
between
what
I've
prepared
and
what
learn
ahead.
Is
she
quoted
the
citizen
and
I
quoted
the
CBC
in
my
comments,
which
was
every
bit
as
positive
on
the
community
support
how
everyone
had
worked
together,
and
there
was
a
huge
sense
that
this
community
would
unfold
as
plan.
K
What
I'm
going
to
do
is
just
skip
to
what
I
have
noted
that
I,
don't
think,
has
been
captured
when
the
big
concerns
that
we
have
is,
while
everyone
has
said,
this
won't
set
a
precedent.
We
look
at
the
convent,
that's
beside
us
and
when
we
purchased
the
six
storey
Turner's
on
main,
we
knew
there
would
be
a
six
story
building
across
from
us,
and
we
expected
that
where
the
convent
was
that
two
would
be
a
six
story.
K
Building
our
big
concern
is:
how
do
you
stop
what
will
go
on
the
vacant
lands
if,
if
there
is
a
nine-story
building
at
ten
Blatz
I,
don't
know
what
reason
you
would
use
to
limit
the
convent
development
to
being
six
storeys
and
if
there's
a
nine-story
building
across
from
the
corners
on
main
and
a
nine-story
building
beside
the
corners
on
main,
that
will
make
a
huge
difference
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
sunlight
that
we
have
and
wind
tunneling
and
to
come
back.
What
to
what
others
have
said?
K
We
will
end
up
not
with
what
we
were
expecting
to
purchase,
but
we
will
end
up
with
something
totally
different.
Everything
that
we
read
when
we
did.
Our
due
diligence
said
that
we
would
be
purchasing
a
six
story
building
in
a
community
of
low-rise
buildings
and
for
us,
the
community
design
was
a
big
part
of
why
we
purchased
our
units
before
any
shovel
had
gone
into
the
to
just
echo.
What
everyone
said.
K
The
sense
of
disheartened
and
disillusion
that
we
had
when
we
barely
unpacked
our
moving
boxes
and
the
sign
went
up
across
the
street,
requesting
the
zonings
changed
to
nine
stories.
We'd
hardly
moved
in
and
already
the
community
that
we
had
expected
and
anticipated
and
planned
for
its
looks,
were
being
changed.
K
We
totally
support
the
views
of
the
old
Ottawa
East
Community
Association,
and
we
sincerely
hope
that
city
officials
will
generally
consider
genuine,
genuinely
consider
the
public
interest
and
good
land
use
planning
and
look
at
the
community
views
rather
than
allow
developers
to
once
again
change
plans
midway
through.
Thank.
C
Q
You
very
much
madam
chair
and
counselors
today,
you've
heard
from
a
number
of
existing
residents
and
their
reasons
for
opposing
these
proposals.
It's
also
important
to
provide
the
view
of
those
who
were
involved
in
the
original
plan,
especially
when
it
comes
to
the
area
between
the
day
Chatelet,
building
and
Main
Street,
as
well
as
the
importance
of
preserving
the
Grand
La.
The
original
parties
were
the
city,
the
community
and
the
landowners.
Q
Clearly,
the
city
did
not
perceive
buildings
higher
than
six
storeys,
because
the
demonstration
plan
they
initially
prepared
showed
only
buildings
lower
than
the
de
châtelet
building.
The
Community
Association
did
not
want
tall
buildings
in
that
area,
and
we've
been
pretty
clear
in
expressing
that
view.
Today.
Q
The
landowners
at
the
time
wanted
low
buildings
and
respect
for
the
views
of
the
day.
Chatelet
building
you
have
in
your
package
a
letter
from
the
rector
of
the
university
of
st.
Paul,
one
of
the
original
owners
of
the
institutional
lands
and
the
current
owner
of
some
of
the
lands
that
will
be
affected
by
this
amendment.
That
letter,
clearly
states
and
I
quote
the
proposed
change
to
the
zoning-
does
not
respect
the
understanding
reached
among
the
community,
the
city
and
the
landowners
end
of
quote
the
rector
also
states
again,
I
quote
at
the
time.
Q
Therefore,
it
is
clear
that
none
of
the
parties
participating
in
the
original
drafting
of
the
community
design
plan
wanted
buildings
greater
than
six
storeys
in
this
area.
It
is
also
accurate
to
say
that
none
of
the
parties
involved
in
the
2015
bylaw
application
requested
buildings
in
excess
of
six
storeys
in
front
of
the
de
Chatelet
building.
I
also
want
to
discuss
the
matter
of
predictability
and
the
difficulties
caused
by
ad
hoc
rezoning.
Q
Each
of
those
community
associations
has
people
who
spend
a
lot
of
time
developing
plans
for
their
community,
and
they
expect
to
hear
certainty.
I
want
now
just
to
play
a
clip
that
records
a
conversation
between
the
chair
of
the
Planning
Committee
many
years
ago,
and
the
city
planner,
as
the
chair
was
looking
for
certainty,
that
there
would
not
be
developers
come
back.
Looking
for
greater
heights.
D
Zoning
I
notice,
the
zoning
bylaws
are
there
that
make
sure
that
we
they
conform
to
the
provisions
of
the
CDP.
Then
we're
are
there
any
and
I've
read
I.
Think
I've
read
through
the
CDP,
but
are
there
any
areas
where
there's
potential
for
increased
height
that
there
is?
The
zoning
doesn't
contemplate
that
if
you
follow
what
I
mean,
we've
zoned
it
to
a
limit,
but
you
know
they,
but
because
I
can
just
see
mr.
Pro
bear
coming
back
here.
You
know:
interpreting
a
look
at
I've
got
a
new
interpretation
of
the
recently
passed
EVP.
D
Mr.
chair,
yes,
we
have
addressed
that
concern.
In
fact,
we've
included
a
policy
within
the
painting
design
plan
in
the
secondary
plan
that
states
that,
notwithstanding
anything
else
in
the
official
plan,
any
other
policies
that
would
allow
for
greater
heights.
That
Heights
would
be
limited
to
six
storeys
within
this
this
community
other
than
as
identified
within
the
next
Youth
Center.
D
Of
course,
that
would
allow
taller
and
more
denser
development,
as
well
as
somewhat
on
the
institutional
properties
that
we
were
addressing
for
the
demonstration
plan
right,
where
Heights
can
go
up
to
9
storeys
in
a
certain
locations
and
it's
zones
specifically
for
ads,
and
it's
all
crystal
clear.
Thank
you
saying
that
in
the
plan
there
is
no
turned.
F
C
C
R
Thanks,
that's
a
tough
act
to
follow,
so
my
name
is
Jeff
phony
element
resident
of
the
community
and
in
particular
I'm
a
resident
of
the
new
community.
Grace
don't
I
live
just
a
few
blocks
away
and
one
of
the
single-family
homes
there
that
is
in
that
residential,
medium
rise
area.
So
a
lots
been
said
already:
I'll
try
to
not
be
too
repetitive,
but
I
will
go
through
some
of
the
key
points.
I
apologize
in
advance
for
using
the
standard
Government
of
Canada
briefing
deck.
That's
just
what
I'm
used
to
in
my
day
job
here.
R
So
really
what
you've
heard
here
is
that
the
applicant
and
the
city
are
suggesting
that
there
is
ambiguity
and
the
secondary
plan
and
that
any
sort
of
difference
and
opinion
there
leans
towards
nine
stories
on
the
subject:
lands
myself.
The
community
and
as
you've,
probably
seen
through
some
submissions,
the
ward
councillor
as
well,
do
not
believe
there's
ambiguity
with
respect
to
the
vision
for
the
subject.
R
Land
six
storeys
seems
to
be
what's
there
in
the
Official
Plan
secondary
pyelogram
policies,
as
well
as
all
the
supporting
documentation,
including
the
previous
community
design
plan
that
was
developed
through
a
multilateral
process.
That's
been
mentioned
to
date,
the
backgrounds
been
gone
over
before
so
I
won't
dwell
on
it,
but
there's
a
clear
storyline
here
from
the
initial
stages
of
the
planning
process.
Up
until
just
before
the
submission
of
this
application
that
20
metres
or
6
storeys
is
the
agreed
to
height
amongst
all
parties
for
the
subject
lands.
R
Any
deviation
from
9
storeys
within
the
overall
gray
stone
area
is
highlighted
and
limited
to
the
residential
medium
rise.
The
brown
area,
if
you
will,
where
to
9
stories,
are
currently
under
development.
There
were
two
being
five
nine
stories
there,
but,
as
was
mentioned
earlier,
the
developer
optics.
You
build
low-rise
on
half
of
that
site.
It
may
be
2/3
of
that
due
to
market
conditions.
I.
Imagine
at
the
time.
R
At
the
time
the
CDP
was
submitted
and
the
secondary
plan
was
approved,
it
was
agreed
to
by
staff
that
this
was
good
planning
and
that
it
was
consistent
with
the
provincial
policy
statement.
The
language
in
the
one
section
that's
been
referred
to
earlier
has
led
to
confusion,
but
if
you
read
the
documents
as
a
suite
of
policy
instruments,
it's
pretty
clear
to
me
and
clear
to
others
that
six
storeys
is
the
agreed
to
height
in
this
area.
The
policies
are
there,
I
won't
dwell
on
them,
but
they
are
there
and
maybe
there's
some.
R
You
know,
ambiguity,
but
I,
don't
think
there
is
when
you
read
it
as
a
suite
of
documents.
The
current
status
is
that
20
meters
is
the
zone
height
for
that
land
and
the
other
lands
in
the
pink
zone
in
front
of
the
de
chelly
building
the
Lariat
areas
behind
are
guided
by
height
above
sea
level
as
the
grade
slopes
significantly
at
the
back.
So
yes,
it
is
8
storeys
at
the
back.
R
It
is
not
8
storeys
at
the
front
and
the
height
respects,
although
I
agree
that
it
does
crowd
and
overpower
the
Heritage
features
of
that
building,
the
2005
or
sorry
2015
amendment
was
initiated
by
grey
stone
and
the
developers
for
EQ
and
catchy
ringtone
there,
and
it
remained
at
20,
storeys.
So
I
guess.
Why
wasn't
the
height
change,
then?
That
was
the
door
to
maybe
change
it.
It
wasn't
changed,
then
it
was
only
changed,
or
at
least
constipated
for
changed
now.
R
So
my
discussion
really
is
in
others
have
alluded
to
this.
This
is
not
about
height
and
we
heard
earlier:
what's
the
what's
the
appropriate,
what
would
you
want
here?
Seven
storeys,
8
storeys,
it's
not
about
height,
it's
about
policy,
20,
storeys,
30
storeys.
It
doesn't
really
matter
it's
about
a
policy
that
was
set
through
a
multilateral
process
and
that
policy,
like
a
thread
on
a
sweater,
is
being
pulled
and
we're
worried
that
it
will
unravel
and
lead
to
more
of
deviation
from
the
original
vision,
which
will
basically
just
a
road.
R
The
whole
process
that
many
many
people
put
a
lot
of
time
and
effort
into
this
community
is
not
afraid
of
height
height
is
in
the
residential
area.
Height
is
nearby
at
that
leaves
mixed-use
center,
where
many
many
20-30
stories
are
contemplated.
The
city's
own
urban
design
panel
expressed
concerns
with
the
height
and
I
I,
wonder
if
the
intent
really
was
for
nine
stories
in
this
pink
area,
then
why
was
a
specific
provision
created
within
the
secondary
plan
to
allow
the
brown
area
to
not
have
that
provision
apply?
That
would.
R
Question
so
I
think
there
are
two
options
here:
the
option
to
approve
the
applicants
proposal
but
I
think
there's
another
option
here
and
that's
to
take
this
opportunity
to
reinforce
the
original
vision
of
the
plans
and
to
cut
the
loophole.
If
you
were
out
of
the
plan
to
allow
for
the
original
vision
to
stand
and
stand
for
the
rest
of
the
development.
Thank.
F
Thank
you
so,
a
couple
slides
ago,
you
said
that
wasn't
a
high
question
that
it
was
a
policy
question.
So
I
guess
is
your
contention
that
there
should
not
be
the
opportunity
to
amend
policies
based
on
real
life,
changes
or
circumstances
that
once
policy
has
said
that
it's
uniform
and
universal
across
the
board.
I.
R
R
You
know
the
paint
is
still
dry
on
this
document
and
I'm
not
sure
that
enough
has
changed
with
the
development
of
the
area
to
warrant
a
right
turn
away
from
the
original
intent
of
this
vision,
maybe
15
20
years
from
now
it
could
be
revisited
or
if
it
is
revisited
all
together,
it
should
be
a
collaborative
exercise,
as
the
original
process
was
with
the
community,
the
landowners
and
the
city.
Thank.
F
Everyone
seems
to
be
saying
that
there
was
process
that
led
to
an
agreement
and
a
secondary
plan
and
part
of
the
Official
Plan.
This
committee
exists
for
one
reason
only,
and
that
is
to
judge
changes
to
existing
policy.
So
if
you
want
to
get
me
interested
in
your
argument,
you'll
have
to
tell
me
what
you
think
is
wrong
with
the
proposal
of
nine
stories
other
than
the
fact
that
it
wasn't
planned
before
I
recognise
that.
But
what
is
it
about
nine
stories
that
is
worse
for
the
community
than
six
stories?
R
F
Asked
we
have
an
application
for
nine
stories.
We
have
to
examine
the
application
for
nine
stories.
We
do
not
have
an
application
for
six
stories,
so
we
are
examining
the
application
for
nine
stories.
So
if
you
think
there's
something
wrong
with
nine
stories,
you
can
say
that
here
so
go
ahead.
Thank
you.
I.
R
Do
think
there's
something
wrong
with
nine
stories.
I
think
it
detracts
from
the
heritage
feature
I
think
it
detracts
from
the
gran
delay,
which
was
to
be
the
focal
point
of
this
I.
Think,
through
my
experiences
and
through
my
learning
I'm
sorry
I
will
just
put
out
there
that
I
am
a
planner,
so
I
have
gone
through
this
process
before
I.
Think
what
we
want
here
is
a
European
type
feel
of
the
grand
la
of
a
view
towards
a
heritage
feature
of
a
consistent,
street-level
human-scale
that
respects
the
views
towards
that
feature.
R
I
think
we're
missing
that
in
some
of
these
areas
around
the
city,
I
think
this
is
an
opportunity
to
build
that
I.
Think
if
you
have
one,
if
you
have
one
of
these
buildings
pop
up,
it
just
draws
your
eyes
away
and
I
appreciate
the
staffs
model,
but
nobody
lives
1,000
feet
above
the
ground
and
looks
at
the
building.
From
that
angle.
We
live.
R
We
work
we
exist
at
the
street
level
and
that's
for
the
relationship
between
built
form
is
established
and
I
feel
that
through
the
initial
CDP
process
it
was
agreed
to
that
six
storeys
was
the
appropriate
built
form
for
this
area
and
I
think
anybody
anybody
who's
travelled
throughout
North,
America
Europe,
that's
a
comfortable
human
scale
for
people
to
react
with
the
street
to
react
with
heritage
feature
to
draw
people
in
and
I
think,
and
you
can
already
see
from
that
mistake.
I
will
say
of
the
residential
retirement
home
that
it's
already
crowding
out.
R
It's
already
distracting
from
that.
So,
let's,
let's
that's
water
I'm
the
bridge,
but
this
is
a
time
to
say:
okay
enough
is
enough.
Let's
just
stick
with
the
vision.
I
live
in
this
neighborhood
I
live
one
of
those
little
purple
houses.
This
is
a
wonderful
neighborhood.
This
and
I
applaud
the
developer
in
the
architect.
I
thoroughly
enjoy
living
here.
This
is
a
great
area,
I
plan
on
raising
my
family
here
and
I
plan
on
walking
down
that
grand
delay
as
I
walk
to
work
every
day
participating
in
that
you
know,
live-work-play,
environment
and
I.
C
A
C
S
So
I
will
possibly
drop
in
a
few
French
comments
here
and
there
that's
how
my
Franco
Ontario
brain
works,
Bonjour
good
morning,
a
tous
Madame
chair
and
councillors,
attendees.
Thank
you
to
the
planning
committee
and
staff
for
the
opportunity
to
address
the
proposal
for
an
official
plan
amendment
to
the
old
Ottawa
East
secondary
plan.
If
I
read
today's
agenda
correctly,
it
includes
three
plan
amendments
with
requests
to
increase
the
number
of
storeys
and
buildings
from
various
parts
of
the
city.
It
would
seem,
then,
that
the
Greystone
regional
request
is
not
unusual.
S
However,
it
may
point
to
a
citywide
problem
to
which
I
would
like
to
speak.
Is
there
a
limit
to
that
which
citizens
are
invited
to
participate?
Is
our
participation
only
valued
in
the
more
mundane
of
tasks?
It
looks
as
a
relatively
new
resident
of
old
Ottawa
East
and
in
fact,
Ottawa
I
wondered
if
it's
worth
getting
involved
at
all
when
I
see
what
it
looks
like.
What
looks
like
a
lack
of
respect
for
citizen
planning.
S
Permit
me
to
quote
Jane
Jacobs
cities
have
the
capability
of
providing
something
for
everybody
only
because,
and
only
when
they
are
created
by
everybody.
Miss
Jacobs,
eminent
author,
journalist
and
urbanist
spoke
to
the
value
of
citizen
participation
in
community
building.
You,
as
councillors
I'm
sure,
agree
by
the
very
nature
of
your
role
here
that
participation
in
the
life
of
our
neighborhood,
our
city,
makes
for
a
healthier
place
to
live
work
play
in
fact
on
councillor
Glen
goers
web
page
I
read
the
following:
he
and
I
quote.
S
He
challenges
all
residents
to
get
involved
in
community
activities.
Flood
your
neighborhood
rink
join
us
school
council
participate
in
a
fundraiser
for
a
cause,
keep
making
a
positive
difference
in
your
neighborhood.
These
folks
are
doing
that
old,
Ottawa
East
residents
spent
in
numerable
hours
and
considerable
efforts,
creating
the
2,000
secondary
plan
and,
to
be
frank
councillor
le
I've,
somewhat
resent
I
happen
to
understand
the
function
of
the
committee
here,
but
I
resent
the
fact
that
we
haven't
explained
to
you
why
we
don't
want
nine
stories.
S
It
has
been
clearly
expressed
if
you
were
listening
in
some
of
the
earlier
presentations.
Nonetheless,
it
is
my
understanding
that
they
are
one
of
the
few
neighborhoods
to
have
such
an
in-depth
plan.
It
was
created
as
a
collaborative
effort
and
I
commend
all
those
who
participated
to
provide
not
only
a
vision
for
old,
Ottawa
East,
but
also
a
specific
plan
for
what
that
vision
would
look
like.
Perhaps
the
others
in
the
room
today
addressing
changes
to
height
restrictions
and
their
areas
have
done
the
same.
I
don't
know
developers
do
what
they're
meant
to
do.
S
They
invest
they
risk
they
hire,
contribute
as
valued
partners
and
city
developments.
Hopefully,
the
profit
also
a
necessity
for
success
done
in
partnership
with
communities
and
its
citizen.
This
works
in
this
role.
They
will
push
the
municipality
to
give
them
as
much
as
possible
towards
the
end
goal.
That
is
understood.
I'm
a
longtime
business
owner
I
get
it
I'm.
An
environmental
advocate
have
been
for
more
than
40
years.
I
didn't
get
this
gray
without
a
little
bit
of
work,
I
get
intensification,
say
Piper,
I
blame
you
see.
S
It
is
then
in
the
councillors
hands
to
make
the
right
decision
by
respecting
the
community
plan,
and
we
have
explained
why
we
value
that
community
plan
limit
the
height
to
six
storeys,
be
the
backbone
council
who
sets
boundaries
for
the
good
of
the
electorate.
My
man,
Zepto
Jewel
and
I,
can't
say
this
in
English.
Don't
know
how
BC
on
a
bus,
Hilda
Payne
beanie.
Does
anybody
know
what
that
means?
Not
really
okay,
so
the
Payne
beanie
means
the
holy
bread.
S
Okay,
don't
take
advantage
of
the
holy
bread
and
I
think
the
sing
seems
appropriate,
given
the
provenance
of
this
land
in
the
last
hundred
and
thirty
forty
years
or
so
I'm,
not
sure
how
the
tant
translators
will
interpret
it,
but
essentially
don't
push
your
luck,
don't
get
greedy.
There
is
no
doubt
that
this
property
was
in
a
sense,
a
gift
to
the
developers.
I
don't
mean
financially,
but
it
was
a
gift
in
the
big
picture.
I
fully
expect
they
celebrated
the
day.
This
deal
closed
to
date,
regional
has
been
a
good
partner.
S
Please
don't
blow
it
now.
In
summary,
you
have
before
you
a
committed
intentional
community.
We
know
the
value
of
citizens
contributing
to
communities
old,
Ottawa
residents
did
so
when
they
created
the
secondary
plan.
It
is
a
legacy
plan.
If
you
value
our
volunteered
work
in
school
councils
at
ranks
on
fundraisers,
then
please
respect
the
plan.
That
is
proof
positive,
that
you
have
an
engaged
healthy
community
in
old,
Ottawa
East.
Please
respect
the
facts.
This
is
objectively
thing,
the
best
decision.
Thank
you.
Thank.
C
C
T
T
I
will
send
a
version
afterwards
back
in
November
2015,
when
an
amendment
to
the
zoning
for
gray,
stone
village
came
forward.
I
spoke
to
Planning
Committee
on
behalf
of
the
green
space,
Alliance
or
Canada's
capital.
We
said,
then,
that
it
was
a
pleasure
to
be
able
to
praise
about
the
proposal
and
the
process
that
had
little
bit
starting
in
2005,
the
community
identified
the
potential
of
this
land
even
before
the
developer
bought
it.
The
community
owned
the
CDP
in
2011,
the
CDP
was
turned
into
a
secondary
plan
and
zoning
bylaw
amendment.
T
So
when
the
developer
came
into
the
picture,
its
options
were
clear.
When
regional
ladel
desires
some
amendments
to
the
zoning,
we
praised
the
company's
leadership
for
realizing
that
a
better
way
than
confrontation
and
antagonism
was
dialogue
in
cooperation
it
led
to
fruitful
discussion.
Compromises
were
made.
The
community
agreed
with
the
2015
amendments,
this
exemplary
process,
doing
intensification.
Smartly
was
noted
by
many,
including
former
attorney
general
yasser
Naqvi,
and
if
memory
serves
former
OMB
member
mark
Dennis,
that
was
then
less
than
four
years
later
last
march
and
today
again
a
modified
form.
T
The
developer
is
breaking
the
record
that
contracts
with
the
community
and
the
city
is
facilitating
that
breach
of
legal
services
were
smart
to
insist
that
a
secondary
plan
had
to
be
amended
since
the
latest
amendments
to
Ontario's
land
use
planning
appeal
process
are
not
yet
in
force
and
Billa
wanna
wait.
The
test
on
appeal
will
be
whether
the
requested
zoning
conforms
to
the
secondary
plan.
T
T
What
is
before
you
today
will
help
explain
why
there
is
more
excitement,
as
councilman
R
says,
and
I
quote:
how
does
it
look
to
be
allowing
an
amendment
ostensibly
because
the
developer
wishes
it
now,
despite
years
of
understanding,
an
agreement
between
multiple
parties,
we
cannot
reasonably
go
back
to
residents
of
Ottawa
and
say
that
our
official
plan
will
be
defended
by
councillors.
If
this
goes
sorry,
if
this
goes
ahead.
Unfortunately,
the
city
has
set
a
precedent.
When
the
proposal
for
900
Albert
was
approved,
council
unilaterally
changed
the
2013
secondary
plan
to
accommodate
it.
T
T
A
E
Now
see
messy
tune,
is
a
media
cause
I
say:
stick
co-operate
c-come
DBT
see
that
our
software,
it's
a
pleasure
to
be
here,
chair
I,
want
to
begin
by
thanking
the
residents
of
old,
Auto
East
and
their
leadership,
because
this
is
what
makes
our
city
great.
In
my
opinion,
in
many
occasions
when
I've
been
with
the
mayor
at
events,
the
mayor
often
cites
the
fact
that
our
city
has
the
highest
per
capita
amount
of
volunteerism
in
the
country.
E
The
highest
per
capita
amount
of
donations
to
charitable
causes
in
the
country
and
I
think
we
see
evidence
of
people
engaged
in
their
city
here.
What
I
fear
will
happen
if
this
variance
is
approved?
Chair
is
something
other
folks
whose
name,
but
I
want
to
name
it
in
my
capacity
as
MPP,
also
seeing
some
legislation
currently
being
debated
at
Queen's
Park
bill
108,
if
you're
familiar
with
it,
we
are
moving
to
a
much
more
combative
world
if
it
isn't
already
too
combative.
E
With
debates
over
development
in
our
community
section,
37
of
the
Planning
Act
development
charges,
negotiations
and
voluntary
arrangements
between
communities
and
developers
and
those
folks
selling
land
are
good
practice
models
on
which
to
build.
But
what
I
see
if
this
variance
is
allowed
is
a
turn
to
a
far
more
combative
world
in
which
the
only
reasonable
conclusion
a
resident
can
draw
is
that
they
have
to
use
extra
legal
disruptive
tactics,
that
institutional
tactics
won't
yield.
E
Anything
and
I'm
thinking,
in
particular,
of
what
John
said
and
folks
who
have
been
active
since
2005
and
the
development
of
this
community
development
plan
only
to
see
it
key
elements
of
it.
Abrogated
in
my
letter
to
you,
I
I
also
worry
about
the
commitments
made
in
the
community
development
plan
around
affordable
housing,
something
that
I
think
is
not
only
important
in
Ottawa
Center,
but
across
our
city.
We
have
a
crisis
in
affordable
housing
and
I.
I.
E
Welcome
the
opportunity
today
to
read
into
the
record
and
my
concern
that
we
need
to
salute
and
respect
developers
like
the
regional
group
who
had
originally
decided
to
go
a
collegial
route:
the
oblate,
the
old
owners
who
wanted
to
fund
that,
by
failing
to
the
community
resources,
legal
expertise,
planning
expertise.
So
they
could
work
on
an
equal
terrain
with
the
regional
group
and
to
have
that
consolidated
into
an
actual
community
development
plan,
which
my
predecessor,
yessir
Naqvi
often
said,
was
the
envy
of
the
country.
E
When
I
spoke
to
Yasir
yesterday
at
the
flora
footbridge
opening,
he
reiterated
that
opinion
and
I
think
you
know
we
need
to
think
very
seriously
about,
as
the
previous
speaker
said,
the
message
we're
sending
out
to
our
city
to
its
residents
when
the
debate
around
900
Albert
segues
into
this
particular
debate.
What
is
the
reasonable
conclusion
residents
can
draw
in
so
far
as
how
their
voice
matters
and
how
they
will
make
it
matter
and
future
decisions?
I,
don't
want
to
see
a
divisive,
disruptive.
E
Excessively
adversarial
approach
to
development
I
want
to
see
development
work
for
people.
I
know,
I
have
family
members
who
are
in
the
development
business
in
other
provinces,
where
rules
are
very
clear
around
what
ought
to
be
done
with
respect
to
municipal
plans
would
ought
to
be
done
with
respect
to
inclusionary
zoning,
no
one
that
I've
heard
testified
to
date.
A
de
pute
to
date
has
said
that
development
is
inherently
wrong
or
intensification
is
inherently
wrong.
E
We
want
smart
development
and
we
want
our
local
democratic
institutions
to
mean
something
so
as
the
MPP
for
Ottawa
Center,
I'm
very
happy
to
be
here,
reinforcing
those
messages,
I'm
very
happy
to
have
the
opportunity
to
read
these
opinions
formally
into
the
record
and
I.
Invite
you
to
consider
this
opportunity
to
say
to
our
friends
at
regional
group
that
we
respect
their
work.
We
respect
their
engagement
to
date,
but
this
variance
is
not
something
that
is
good
for
our
city.
Thank
you.
Thank.
C
F
E
Thanks
for
the
question
counsel,
sure
Ellie,
what
I
would
say
is
that
in
in
my
mind,
my
understanding
of
this
particular
variants
being
sought
is
that
it
is
not
in
good
spirit
with
the
community
development
plan
that
was
developed
collegiately
in
good
faith
with
the
community
and
the
sellers
of
the
property
and
the
new
owners
of
the
property.
And
that's
that's
what
I
think
should
motivate
a
decision
to
vote
against
this
particular
variance.
C
Thanks
very
much,
thank
you
probably
councillor
leaper,
because
we're
going
to
the
just
for
the
record.
I
did
have
Rick
Grimes
here
and
I
understand
that
Rick
Grimes
is
no
law.
You
Rick
Grimes
is
here
now
so
I.
Don't
know
why
why?
Why
were
we
told
that
you
weren't
here?
Did
you
tell
somebody
that
you,
weren't
speaking.
D
D
You,
madam
chair
and
councillors
and
planning
committee
and
the
marvelous
audience
behind
me
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
today.
My
concern
from
approving
from
a
six
story
to
a
nine
story
comes
into
the
fact
of
an
emergency
response
concern.
As
you
know,
our
roads
are
getting
narrower
and
our
vehicles
for
emergency
response
often
are
getting
larger.
A
six
story
building
can
mostly
be
reached
with
a
30
meter
aerial
truck
ladder
from
the
fire
department.
D
It
would
mean
that
we
would
probably
district
chief
with
good
conscience,
would
probably
call
it
for
three
aerial
ladders
and
two
or
three
pumps,
depending
again
upon
conditions
and
the
type
of
call
that
we
have
come
in.
So
I
can't
in
good
conscience,
say
to
you.
Yes,
go
ahead.
I
can
only
say
no
I
vehemently
oppose
going
from
six
stories
to
nine
stories
on
on
emergency
response
for
the
people
involved.
Thank
you
for
your
attention.
Thank.
D
C
D
D
D
D
C
C
Sir
okay,
so
just
so
y'all
know
it's
25
to
12
and
so
we're
we're
going
to
continue
on
and
next
up.
I
have
mr.
Cohen,
who
is
speaking
on
behalf
of
the
applicant,
oh
yeah,
and
while
you're
coming
up
counselor
Lieber
is
moving
a
couple
of
motions
for
counselor
Menard.
So
because
just
so,
you
all
know
in
the
audience
he's
not
on
the
committee,
so
he
doesn't
get
to
move
motions
at
the
committee,
so
counselor
leaper
is
sponsoring
him
lost.
C
C
C
C
So
you
signed
up
individually
as
Speaker,
so
I
called
Alan
up,
Barry
Hoban
has
signed
up,
Murray
town
is
signed
up.
I
know
we
have
other
regional
folks
that
are
here
that
are
representing
themselves,
but
they
haven't
registered
so
I
presume
you're
here,
for
if
there's
questions
that
on
history
or
something
like
that,
okay,
all
right.
So,
as
you
know,
you
each
have
five
minutes
and
I'll
allow
that
to
play
out.
C
However,
you
want
to
merge
them
together,
link
them
or
whether
you
have
a
presentation
or
whatever,
but
you
still
only
have
the
same
rules
as
everybody
else,
oh
yeah,
before
you
do
that.
The
reason
we
took
the
break
is
for
the
motion
and
after
the
motion.
Well
after
you
do
that
I'm
gonna
before
we
go
to
the
applicant
I'm
gonna,
go
to
mrs.
O'connell
and
ask
her
to
make
tell
us
what
the
difference
is.
Okay
to.
E
E
Medium
rise,
designation
within
Greystone
village,
therefore
be
it
resolved
that
planning
committee
recommend
to
council
the
document
to
Part
B
details
of
the
Official
Plan
amendment
to
the
old
Ottawa
East
secondary
plan
be
deleted
and
replaced
with
the
following.
The
following
changes:
hair
by
made
to
the
Official
Plan
of
the
City
of
Ottawa
1,
the
old
Ottawa
East
secondary
plan,
section
10,
dot,
3
dot,
4
dot,
4
dot
his
hair.
E
My
amended
I
could
do
that
all
day
is
hair
by
Amanda
to
add
the
following
text
quote
uncle
and
between
three
to
six
stories
in
the
mid
mixed
use.
Medium
rise,
designation
following
the
words
residential
medium
rise
designation
in
the
first
sentence
to
the
old
Ottawa
East
secondary
plan.
Section
10.14
is
hereby
amended
to
remove
the
text
and
in
the
medium
rise
area,
will
not
exceed
nine
stories.
E
C
G
C
So,
just
for
the
record
of
everybody
pretty
much
always
when
counselor
is
very
passionate,
supportive,
etc,
not
only
the
community
but
of
a
particular
item.
We
will
go
to
staff
to
ask
them
to
help
us
with
the
drafting
so
that
we
make
sure
that
they
legal,
speak
etc.
Is
alright,
I'm
sure
all
of
us
at
one
point
or
another,
have
or
will
do
that
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
that
everyone
was
aware
of
that.
But
I
think
it's
important
that
you
tell
us.
G
The
motion
recommendation
to
provide
that
range
between
three
and
six
stories
would
have
the
effect
of
not
permitting
the
site-specific
zoning
amendment
that's
before
us
today
for
the
nine
story
building
at
to
be
that
would
not
be
permitted
if
this
language
was
adopted
in
the
secondary
plan
as
well.
The
language
now
in
the
secondary
plan
of
the
range
between
three
and
six
nines
to
three
to
six
stories
was
adopted.
G
It
would
also
have
the
effect
of
being
in
contradiction
to
zoning
amendments
that
have
already
been
approved
by
this
planning
committee
and
council,
where
there
is
a
building
right
now
that
is
within
that
designation.
That
has
has
zoning
permitted
for
nine
stories,
as
well
as
an
eight
story,
building
under
construction
right
now
adjacent
to
the
de
Chatelet
building
within
the
same
designation.
F
E
F
I
Morning,
madam
chair
members
of
committee,
thank
you
I'll
start
briefly
by
making
reference
to
councillor
Ali's
question,
which
I
think
is
the
pertinent
question,
and
that
is
what
is,
if
you're
speaking
against
the
proposal
wrong
with
the
proposal
and
from
our
side
through
you,
madam
chair
councillor,
the
question
is:
why
is
the
proposal
appropriate
and
why
does
it
represent
good
land-use
planning?
That
is
the
reason
I'm
flanked
by
mr.
Hoban
and
mr.
Chow,
who
will
speak?
I
I'm
sure
eloquently
to
those
points.
I
T
I
There
was
no
suggestion
that
one
couldn't
deviate
from
an
approved
CDP
a
few
years
after
that,
our
client
came
forward
to
seek
a
rezoning
to
9
storeys
on
a
parcel
of
land,
with
the
designation
that
the
subject
parcel
has
that
was
recommended
for
approval
by
her
staff
and
was
said
to
be
in
conformity
with
the
Opie
and
Council
passed
that
bylaw
subsequent
to
that,
my
client
came
back
and
sought
a
rezoning
from
a
six-story
to
a
seven-story,
again
same
designation,
again
recommended
for
approval
to
your
council.
Again,
your
council
passed
the
bylaw.
I
Then
the
matter
went
to
the
committee
of
adjustment
to
be
lifted
from
effectively
7
to
8
storeys
with
the
geodetic
reference
and
that
went
through
madam
chair
little
wonder
that
my
client
was
strongly
of
the
view
that
9
storeys
is
in
conformity
with
the
Official
Plan
for
this
site.
That
is
not
precedent.
That's
simply
a
history
of
opinions
that
had
been
advocated
to
you
and
which
you
have
accepted.
I
So
we
applied
for
an
Okie
for
clarity's
sake,
but
of
being
of
the
strong
opinion
that
there
is
conformity
fani.
Madam
chair,
with
respect
to
the
motion.
I
think
Murray
will
speak
to
it,
but
it
is
a
down
zoning
not
only
prohibiting,
as
Ms
O'connell
said,
the
rezoning
of
this
site
that
effectively
down
zoning
other
properties
within
Greystone
and
I,
submit
to
that
little
notice,
not
to
fair
inappropriate.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
D
B
I'm
very
hoping,
I'm
responsible
for
this
plan
I
should
be
wearing
a
green
t-shirt
because,
contrary
when
we
look
at
what's
being
spoken
to
today,
it's
such
a
small
part
of
the
overall
plan,
but
the
basic
planning
principles
which
are
behind
it
have
been
subject
of
great
consultation
and
of
considered
considered
response,
both
from
a
design
perspective
and
the
what
we
have
before
us
that
what
you'll
see
on
the
screen
is
the
original
C
DB
plan,
which
we
thought
was
absolutely
not
early
ridiculous.
It
did
not
reflect
the
fine-grained
nature
of
adjoining
neighborhoods.
B
When
we
actually
came
up
with
a
plan,
this
master
plan
framework
by
the
way
I
was
very
interesting
to
see.
Paul
show
various
other
iterations
of
the
same
plan.
There
have
been
numerous
changes
to
this
plan
nuances,
but
the
principles
are
very
much
the
same
and
if
I
just
took
you
through,
so
when
it
when
people
say
they
don't
wanna
see
the
plan,
change
I've
just
wondered:
are
they?
They
don't
want
to
see
the
fine-grain
response?
That's
there
or
they
want
to
see
these
blocks
on
the
plan
not
being
interrupted.
B
This
is
the
planning
framework
within
which
we
basically
have
two
buildings
which
are
currently
above
the
six
storey
limit,
but,
more
importantly,
I'll
go
back
to
basic
planning
principles.
What
we
thought
was
absolutely
essential
in
creating
a
modern,
infill
neighborhood
was
actually
a
solved.
Some
of
the
problems
which
existed
in
adjoining
neighborhoods,
so
councillor,
Menards
Ward,
has
very
few
opportunities
for
apartment
and
and
Brewhouse
dwellings.
B
Same
thing
happens
in
a
lot
of
other
downtown
Awards
there's
problems,
so
our
whole
idea
with
this
scheme
was
in
fact,
even
though
the
mid-rise
residential
area
could
build
9
storeys.
We
thought
it
was
important
actually
to
extend
a
low-rise
profile
into
the
neighborhood
and
housing
diversity
being
absolutely
important,
which
includes
not
only
townhouse
singles
semies
condos,
as
well
as
rental
accommodation
and
the
subject
of
this
particular
park
is
a
rental
accommodation
building.
That
includes
something
as
simple
as
providing
low
rised
singles.
B
This
was
the
visualization
of
the
phase
1
of
this,
which
you
can
see
before
you
as
a
combination
of
singles
and
rows,
and
our
9
story
condominium
buildings.
At
the
back
phyllis
mentioned,
we
are
possibly
trying
to
cobble
back
some
of
the
density
we
lost
here.
That's
not
the
case.
In
fact,
we
just
felt
that
there
was
important
to
have
diversity
of
a
forum
to
attract
a
variety
of
people
to
this
neighborhood.
So,
what's
important
of
this
is
that
you
know
design.
B
The
master
plan
has
gone
through
a
few
iterations,
and
at
this
point
in
time
we
had
what
we
had
drawn
actually
was
actually
pretty
close
to
what
we
had
contemplated.
The
reality
is,
other
parts
of
the
site
were
subject
to
further
analysis,
and
when
we
moved
to
the
mid
rise
sections
of
the
building
where
we
had
mixed-use
and
mid-rise,
it
caused
us
to
look
at
things
in
a
slightly
different
way,
and
particularly
the
the
building
that
we're
talking
about
today
is
called
to
be
and
the
context
of
other
buildings
which
are
higher
form
9
storeys.
B
You
can
see
that
there
are
highlighted
in
the
yellow
the
the
top
pieces,
the
you
tire
Minh
home,
which
is
I,
think
only
eight
levels,
but
you
know
how
do
we
get
there?
What
is
it
that
would
cause
us
to
make
adjustments
to
the
plan
and
I'm
going
to
tell
you
that?
There's
some
really
strong
physical
reasons
why
we
moved
and
shape
the
building?
This
way,
Phyllis
Ricard
called
it
architectural,
whatever
I,
don't
think
she
used
arrogance,
I,
think
she,
the
term
architectural
whatever
it
is.
It
is
architecture
in
some
but
form.
B
So
there
are
a
number
of
things
which
shape
to
be
so.
You
can
see
Main
Street,
which
is
here
the
grand
alley,
which
leads
you
to
the
de
Chatelet
building
and
Old
Lace
Avenue
the
key
factors
in
terms
of
shaping
this
parcel,
the
greater
relief
required
along
the
grand
allée
because
of
truth
because
of
the
tree
root
tree
ball.
That
needs
to
be
pected
in
order
to
save
those
trees,
the
tightness
of
old
Blatz
Avenue,
which
is
extremely
narrow,
and
the
notion
of
further
definition
of
the
components
on
the
site
just
to
highlight
that.
B
So,
if
you
look
at
the
parcel
land,
that's
out
in
yellow
the
trees
which
form
a
substantial
part
of
the
grand
la
required,
an
additional
six
meters
setback,
all
Blatz
Avenue
and
a
number
in
in
number
two
is
a
very
narrow
constrained.
Street.
And
then
we
look
at
the
length
of
the
entire
block
and
we
felt
it
was
important,
actually
respect
the
notion
of
block
cadence,
so
in
councilor,
Menards
Ward.
If
you
walk
between
fifth
and
and
First
Avenue,
every
one
of
those
blocks
is
sixty
meters
deep.
It
allows
for
cadence
of
buildings.
B
Config
us
in
with
a
much
tighter
thing
would
have
been
inappropriate.
So
we
then
began
to
look
at
the
massing
and
the
massing
required
us
to
do
offsets
and
the
natural
result
of
that
is,
as
we
offset
and
create
a
great
separation.
We
added
some
Heights
to
the
last
block.
It's
not
about
a
density
increase,
it's
about
quality
of
design
and
how
design
makes
for
a
better
neighborhood,
which
includes
the
pedestrian
realm,
the
porosity
of
the
site
and
access
to
a
major
major
heritage
piece
which
is
the
grand
la.
B
So
we
end
up
with
a
scheme
that
looks
something
like
this,
and
this
is
the
actual
scheme.
You
can
see
the
grand
ala
leading
to
the
de
châtelet
building
and
it's
important
to
note
that
they
châtelet
building
in
reality
is
framed
by
those
trees.
So
when
I'm
showing
it
here
as
being
wide
like
this,
you
actually
can't
see
it.
So
that's
the
ultimate
of
the
ultimate
build-out
of,
but
what
shapes
it
from
a
design
perspective.
B
So
from
a
design
perspective,
everything
along
here
is
set
back
because
of
respect
for
the
trees
and
the
preservation
of
those
trees.
Secondly,
is
the
notion
of
datum
line,
which
we
feel
incredibly
important
as
your
respect?
In
the
grande
la
that
that'd
be
a
one
level
part
one
level
thing
and
then
an
offset
there's
a
six
story.
Datum
line,
which
exists
and
reinforces
the
Grande
la
the
additional
height.
Is
that
little
piece
that's
back
there,
but
in
addition
to
that,
there's
a
separation
between
units
of
twenty
one
point:
four
meters
and
I'll.
C
C
As
I
said
at
the
beginning,
I
guess
you
weren't
listening
that
each
of
them
have
signed
up
independently,
there's
other
people
here
to
speak.
If
there's
questions,
but
just
like
each
of
you
had
five
minutes,
each
of
them
has
five
minutes.
Mr.
Cohen
did
not
take
five
minutes,
so
we
added
his
piece
to
what's
doing
there.
They
have
15
minutes
in
total
for
the
presentation
one
person
could
have
come
up
and
spoke
for
five
minutes.
The
rules
are
the
same
I'm
very
consistent
about
that.
B
As
part
of
the
respect
for
the
ground,
la
is
not
to
do
a
continuous
wall,
but
actually
to
create
a
cadence
of
building
blocks
along
here,
so
that
there
was
an
interruption
and
some
celebration
of
the
way
that
this
building
is
designed
to
basically
advantage
the
views
of
the
grand
allayed.
One
of
my
favorite
things
is
to
talk
about
the
TM
offset
which,
in
the
yellow,
is
what's
prescribed
in
most
zoning
templates
and
cross-sections,
which
I
believe
to
be
totally
inappropriate
for
most
main
streets
in
Ottawa,
and
that
is
example
by
two
projects.
B
One
is
1140
Wellington
and
council,
leapers
Ward
and
the
other
Bolton
councillor
reaper's
award,
which
is
basically
dealing
with
the
one-story
offset.
Our
city
would
be
better
informed
to
actually
use
this
kind
of
cross-section.
The
idea,
basically,
that
we
have
a
very
long
block
and
that
that
we
would
have
two
different
building.
Textures
and
identities
was
foundational
and
doing
that,
and
here
is
the
actual
plan,
so
2a
and
2b.
The
separation
between
these
two
buildings
is
absolutely
essential,
because
old
lats
Avenue
is
too
narrow
to
allow
any
parking
and
loading
to
occur
on
it.
B
So
we
actually
separated
the
building's
21
metres
apart,
so
that
that
would
serve
as
a
way
of
both
providing
servicing
and
garbage
and
provide
some
level
of
teaser
parking
that
would
support
ultimately,
a
grocery
store
in
2a.
So
this
looking
at
that
same
view
at
night,
so
you
get
the
the
idea
of
that
again.
The
offset
at
the
ground
floor
being
absolutely
important,
a
view
of
looking
at
the
separation
between
the
two
things.
This
came
up
to
the
you
DRP
panel,
the
notion
of
animating
this
corner
and
greening
this
up.
B
This
does
provide
access
through
here
from
the
building
from
the
those
that
are
live
in
the
corners.
It
actually
provides
visual
access
for
the
people
who
live
in
the
corners
and,
if
you're
real,
if
you
notice
the
edge
of
the
corners
building,
is
right
at
the
at
this
break
and
from
then
on
is
where
2b
is
where
the
added
height
is
and
those
buildings
are
not
there.
B
Ground-Floor
animation,
absolutely
essential
in
terms
of
making
Main
Street
into
something
more
vibrant
than
it
is
today,
I'm
just
going
to
look
at
the
impacts
of
the
to
be
obviously
from
Spring
Hurst,
there's
no
impact
because
you
can't
see
it
above
the
bill,
the
corners
building
and
if
you
look
at
the
Heritage
impact,
a
fertile
couple
of
comments
about
the
Heritage
impact
of
a
nine
story
on
the
du
Chatelet
building.
That's
a
hundred
and
twenty
five
meters
away
from
block
to
be
today
châtelet
and
not
to
mention.
B
There's
a
three
and
a
half
story
ring
a
circle
of
townhouses
in
between.
You
can
see
that
this
image
is
taken
from
the
big
lawn
in
front
of
the
ground
la
you
can
just
see
the
top
of
the
the
to
be
a
building.
But
this
is
the
one:
that's
more
hilarious.
If
you
actually
looked
at
the
distance
between
to
be
and
the
de
Chatelet
building,
it's
essentially
the
football
field
at
Lansdowne
Park
come
on.
This
is
a
long
ways
of
wait
in
terms
of
heritage
in
pack.
B
This
has
no
impact
with
respect
to
with
respect
to
the
Desjarlais
building.
Those
are
my
my
key
points.
I
think
Erin
had
mentioned
in
her
presentation
and
there's
evidence
on
file
about
the
shadow
impact
being
absolutely
minimal.
In
fact,
it's
enhanced
by
creating
the
increase
by
a
break
between
2a
and
2b,
sorry
to
speak
so
fast,
but
I
want
to
leave
some
time
from
if.
F
Gonna
have
to
go
very
fast
with
a
minute
and
20
seconds.
What
I
wanted
to
say
is
that
when
we
prepared
our
planning
rationale
in
support
of
the
site
plan
and
zoning
applications
that
were
filed
more
than
a
year
ago,
we
were,
we
came
to
the
conclusion
that
the
applications
for
site
plan
and
rezoning
fully
conformed
to
the
secondary
plan,
and
that
opinion
is
clearly
supported
by
staff
and
that's
where
we
have
a
difference
of
opinion
with
the
Community
Association.
F
Section
ten
point:
two
point:
one
of
the
secondary
plan
is
called
land
use,
sorry
general
land
use
and
design
policies.
So
this
section
applies
throughout
the
old
Ottawa
East
secondary
plan
policy.
10.2
point
one
four
says:
building
heights
within
the
low-rise
residential
area
will
not
exceed
four
storeys
and
in
the
medium
rise
area,
will
not
exceed
nine
stories.
So
if
I.
K
F
Stop
there
that
tells
me
that,
in
the
medium
rise,
designation,
I'm
allowed
to
go
to
nine
stories
policy
two
says:
notwithstanding
blah
blah
blah,
no
buildings
will
be
allowed
higher
than
six
stories
or
twenty
meters.
So
what
that
tells
me
is
the
other
designations
not
covered
by
four
are
limited
to
six
stories,
though
it's
the
traditional
Main
Street
and
those
would
be
the
institutional
designations.
Then
policy
two
goes
on
to
refer
to.