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Planning Committee - 6 December 2021
B
C
Yeah,
certainly
yeah,
so
thank
you
so
there's
two
parts
to
50
minute:
neighborhoods,
there's
the
services
and
the
many
of
these
components
that
we
all
very
visually
a
queue
to,
and
there's
also
that
that
pedestrian
environment,
so
for
service
amenities.
If
we
look
at
our
mapping
military
many
areas
within
the
built-up
area
score
fairly
well
or
have
some
access
to
service
amenities
may
not
be
all
nine
of
them,
but
there
are
a
few
of
them
so
over
time.
C
C
And
then,
if
we
also
enable
intensification
around
these
areas,
they
also
create
some
market
conditions
for
for
an
increase
of
that
customer
base.
So
it
really
speaks
to
enabling
providing
and
the
environment
that
enables
new
businesses
to
locate
in
areas
where
it
makes
sense
either
through
customers.
There
are
permissions
and
there's
a
nice
and
safe
area
of
connection
to
get
to
where
you
want
to
do
your
business.
E
To
everything
that
you'll
ever
need
and
others
don't,
and
you
know
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we're
not
leaving
anyone
behind
because
as
we're
growing
as
a
city,
whether
you're
living
in
a
in
a
new
subdivision
or
downtown
or
in
the
suburbs
I
mean
all
of
us-
deserve
the
best
quality
of
life.
So
I'm
very
pleased
to
hear
that
staff
are
taking
that
into
consideration,
and
I
continue
to
look
forward
to
to
your
update
dates,
as
the
public
consultations
take
place
and
excellent
work
on
this.
Thank
you.
G
G
I
think
it'd
be
very
productive
to
to
discuss
what
is
seen
in
terms
of
the
war,
each
ward,
the
the
spots
I
mean
alluded
to
that
about
about
food
deserts.
I
have
one
in
foster
farm
because
you
know
a
giant
tiger
didn't
want
to
be
there
anymore
and
that's
it
and
there's
nothing.
You
can
do
about
it.
It's
that
total
feeling
of
helplessness
when,
when
that
happens,
though,
we're
hoping
that,
in
the
future
that
density
will
change
things.
G
I
particularly
wanted
to
say
thank
you
about
the
child
care
facilities,
location.
I
thought
that
was
great
to
have
that,
and
I
just
wanted
to
just
double
check
on
the
definition
of
of
the
child
care
facility.
Are
you
including
ones
in
schools?
Are
you
just
including
self-standing
ones,
or
I
just
wanted
to
check
on
that.
E
G
Okay,
thank
you,
yeah,
and
I
can
see
some
gaps
and
I
can.
I
can
see
that
this
is
something
that
we
need
to
work
on
for
for
the
future
and
hopefully,
when
we
hear
about
a
plan
from
the
ontario
government,
this
will
be
very.
This
will
be
very
useful,
so
I'm
sure
that
jason
is
appreciative
of
it
and
and
the
staff
to
get
that
that
going
yeah.
No,
it's
it's
extremely
helpful.
G
I
would
like
to
discuss
an
analysis
by
the
ward
just
to
go
over
what
what
can
be
worked
on
because
as
we
get
development
applications
and
they
include
possible
retail-
I
mean
I
know
intuitively,
but
it
it's
good
to
have
this
data
as
well
to
to
show
that
they
can
play
a
role,
and
this
is
things
that
we
can
push
for
in
the
future.
So
no
thank
you
very
much.
G
H
Thank
you,
chairman,
good
morning
to
you
and
and
colleagues
thank
you
staff
for
this
presentation,
certainly
coming
out
of
the
new
op
with
the
15
neighborhood
15-minute
neighborhood
focus
there's
interest.
It's
got
people
thinking
about
what
we
have,
what
we
don't
have,
what
we'd
like
to
see
in
neighborhoods
of
tomorrow
and
how
you
take
a
mature,
already
built
community
and
and
evolve
it
and
massage
it
further
riverward
approaching
51
000
people,
how
many
grocery
stores
do
you
think
we
have
in
riverward
an
urban
ward
in
the
middle
of
ottawa?
H
One
we
have
one
grocery
store
metro
in
hunt
club,
there's
no
grocery
store
in
carlington,
no
grocery
store
in
central
park.
We
have
a
specialty
small
italian
food,
stops
food
stop
in
carlton
heights,
no
grocery
store
in
riverside
park,
no
grocery
store
in
ridgemont
and
the
one
grocery
store
in
hunt
club
is
a
metro
for
51
000
people,
so
we
all
have
to
drive.
Yes,
there
are
convenience
stores
and
places
where
you
can
get
milk,
no
libraries.
H
They
didn't
want
to
deal
with
small
guys
like
him,
and
so
he
packed
up
and
left
and
again
yet
another
food
desert
when
we're
when
we're
adding
more
towers
in
that
immediate
community.
Anyway,
let
me
ask
my
question,
and
that
is
how
can
we
better
link
mature
neighborhoods
that
are
not
generating
a
lot
of
new
development
they're,
not
generating
a
lot
of
new
dc's?
I
have
this
argument
with
the
library
board.
H
We
will
never
be
able
to
generate
enough
dc's
in
riverward
to
build
a
new
library
based
on
the
formula
that
we
have
now
right,
because
there's
not
enough
money
being
put
in
the
pot
to
build
that.
If
you
look
at
the
formula,
our
is
the
15
minute.
Neighborhood
looking
at
well,
we've
got
these
mature
communities
which
are
now
not
generating
gobs
of
new
dc's,
like
the
suburbs
are,
but
they
need
certain
amenities.
There
are
certain
amenities
that
that
are
absent,
that
won't
get
built
unless
we
tweak
how
it
gets
funded.
Is
that
being
considered.
I
So
chair,
the
counselor
has
a
very
good
question,
but
it's
beyond
the
scope
of
this
report,
so
in
all
fairness
to
the
staff
who
prepared
the
report,
this
is
a
baseline
measurement
of
where
we're
at
and
we've
never
had
such
a
detailed
baseline
measurement
as
it
relates
particularly
to
communities
like
the
counselors
before
that
really
gives
an
overall
snapshot
of
where
the
gaps
are
in
the
system.
So
I'm
actually
quite
pleased
with
what
the
team
has
accomplished
in
terms
of
setting
the
baseline
in
the
next
term
of
council.
I
We're
going
to
be
talking
about
how
council
can
use
development
charges,
how
council
can
use
the
new
community
benefits
bylaw
charges
council
will
always
have
to
wrestle
in
terms
of
its
strategic
plan
and
allocation
of
tax
supported
capital
investment
projects.
This
will
become
part
of
that
mission
for
the
next
term
of
council
to
deal
with
this,
and
I
know
that
you
know.
I
As
some
of
these
areas
see
new
development,
there
will
be
more
development
charge
revenue,
but
development
charge
is
not
as
it's
currently
doled
out
done
in
an
eye
dropper
on
the
ward
in
which
it
originated,
it
is
done
on
a
city-wide
basis.
So
if
growth
is
truly
happening
on
a
citywide
basis
and
population,
we
hit
that
heading
towards
that
1.4
or
almost
1.5
million
people.
There
will
be
opportunities,
I'm
sure,
because
the
level
of
service
calculation
and
the
development
charges
will
inevitably
mean
we'll
need
more
of
these
facilities.
I
H
Fantastic-
and
I
was
not
expecting
silver
bullet
this
morning,
but
my
role
is
to
inform
this
committee.
It's
shocking.
When
you
look
at
an
urban
ward
of
50
000,
yes,
we're
blessed
with
green
space.
We
have
community
centers.
We
do
have
some
amenities,
but
people
are
surprised
when
I
say
we
have
no
library
and
when
you
look
at
sort
of
the
at-risk
neighborhoods
that
do
exist
in
my
ward,
you
would
think
we
as
a
city
would
prioritize
these
communities
and
say:
thou
shalt
have
a
library.
H
You
will
have
a
fully
populated
community
center
with
programming.
You
will
have
child
care
centers
for
your
families
that
those
would
become
sort
of
the
key
building
blocks
of
a
vibrant
community.
So
look
the
report
today
is
is
very
good.
There
are
strong
interests,
I
know
in
my
ward
and
across
the
city.
I
support
that
and
I
just
wanted
to
mention
a
few
points
that
continue
to
be
an
issue
in
my
award.
Thank
you,
chair.
J
C
So
so
shares,
I
think
it's
a
matter
of
just
how
we
plan
for
those
communities
for
new
secondary
plan
areas
would
be
different
from
how
we
look
at
existing
areas,
and
that's
part
of
part
of
the
next
steps
is
to
figure
out.
How
can
we
do
that
in
a
way
so
that
we
can
advance
some
of
the
services,
maybe
a
little
bit
quicker
than
it
would
have
been
without
that
framework?
And
now
that's
some
of
the
next
steps
we
have
to
do
through
our
secondary
planning
exercises
just
to
figure
that
out.
J
Okay,
I
appreciate
that.
I
guess
that
the
question,
though,
is
like
the
the
question
in
my
mind.
Anyway,
that's
a
fair
answer:
it's
it's
that
there's
already
existing
suburban
communities
that
we
see
all
the
time
here
that
don't
have
those
services
don't
and
other
communities
like
council.
Brockton
is
just
talking
about
it's
a
basic
core
community
without
the
the
15-minute
concept.
J
So
if
we're
planning
for
expansion
and
that
we
build
those
differently
than
the
other
areas,
you've
got
to
think
there's
a.
I
mean,
there's
only
so
much
funding
to
go
around
there's
only
so
much.
You
can
provide
services
based
on
where
our
taxes
are
at.
So
I
just
find
it
difficult
because
our
our
expansion
of
urban
boundary
to
me
is
going
to
affect
the
services
that
we
can't
have
in
our
suburban
communities
that
are
already
existing
or
in
our
core
communities
that
don't
have
this
counselor
broadcasting.
J
J
So
I
just
think
you
know
we
we
need
to
get
in
a
better
direction
than
we've
been
going
so
far,
because
the
direction
we're
heading
in
does
not
make
it
easier
to
create
15-minute
communities.
It
makes
it
much
more
difficult
in
terms
of
the
cost
of
servicing.
So
I'll
just
leave
that
as
a
comment,
I
guess
chair
thanks
very
much.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
I
have
a
a
couple
questions.
One
of
them
that's
going
to
tie
into
a
number
of
themes
already
raised
about
commercial
amenities
and
growth
areas,
and
so
on.
So
I
think
the
methodology
that
staff
use
here
is,
is,
you
know
very
innovative
and
the
maps
are
interesting,
but
I
think
what's
really
valuable
in
the
report.
B
I
Chairs
one
of
the
things
that
shifts
with
this
new
thinking
of
15
minute
neighborhoods-
I
mean,
if
you
look
at
the
suburbs,
that
we
started
building
in
the
70s
and
really
designed
around
town
centers
and
in
each
of
the
suburbs.
Right
now
we
have
very
distinct
town
centers,
where
there
was
a
concentration
of
activity
and
that
sort
of
worked
but
what's
changing
now
is,
as
those
suburbs
mature
more
to
hit
15-minute
neighborhoods,
we
need
sub-concentrations
outside
of
the
outside
of
the
those
town
centers.
I
So,
for
example,
I'll
just
give
an
example
in
canada,
the
town
center
is
south
of
the
417
and
it
accomplishes
an
awful
lot
in
serving
that
area.
But
if
you
live
north
of
the
417,
it
is
not
necessarily
that
great
an
amenity
for
you
because
of
the
division
of
the
highway.
So
we
have
to
start
looking
at
sub-centers
and
creating
them.
Our
zoning
on
the
our
on
the
main
streets,
general
almost
exclusively
is
mixed
use.
So,
in
a
sense,
the
the
the
basic
bones
of
permissions
are
already
there.
I
People
just
have
to
use
those
permissions,
and
I
do-
and
I
think
over
time
as
we
go
into
the
next
zoning
bottle
up
review,
we
have
to
look
again
at
further
barriers
for
that
happening
as
well.
So
I'm
you
know
my
projection
is
we'll
adapt
our
methodology
over
time.
The
benefit
of
this
report
is,
it
gives
a
to-do
list
for
us
when
we're
opening
up
community
planning
in
those
areas
and
it's
the
clearest
to-do
list
we've
had
yet
to
help
plan
to
go
forward.
B
So
it's
those
mixed
use,
areas
on
the
arterial
main
streets
that
I'm
concerned
about,
because
what
I'm
seeing
at
least
in
my
ward
and
I'm
sure
it's
happening-
in
other
words,
we're
not
seeing
mixed
use,
we're
seeing
one
or
the
other
we're
seeing
all
commercial
or
all
residential
and
right
now,
there's
not
a
lot
of
demand
for
commercial
for
a
number
of
reasons.
There's
not
as
strong
a
market
demand.
There's
a
huge
market
demand
for
residential.
B
I
see
it
most
egregiously
in
an
area
out
here
called
fern
bank,
it's
near
a
future
transit
station.
That
transit
won't
be
here
until
at
least
a
decade,
but
it's
an
area
marked
mixed
use.
There
are
three
plots
of
land.
The
first
plot
is
going
to
be
residential
towers.
We
have
an
application
in
now
for
residential
on
the
second
plot.
That
leaves
one
plot
left
where
we
could
have
commercial.
B
If
that's
built
as
residential,
we
have
lost
every
opportunity
to
have
walkable
commercial
in
the
core
of
this
new
neighborhood.
So
will
we
have?
Are
there
opportunities
in
that
zoning
bylaw
review
to
put
some
limits
so
that
we
don't
get
100
commercial
like?
Are
there
legal
ways
that
we
could
say
at
least
25
of
this
land
or
this
gross
floor?
Space
area
has
to
be
commercial?
Do
we
have
what
tools
do
we
have
to
ensure
that
mixed
use
is
actually
mixed
and
not
just
individual
sites
built
completely
in
one
use?
B
I
Chair
in
the
previous
zoning
official
plans,
we
had
a
series
of
zones
and
in
previous
times,
even
employment
designations
that
had
mandatory
minimums
of
use
uses,
and
it
really
has
not
worked,
and
in
many
cases
they've
had
to
be
abandoned
as
tools.
What
we're
looking
for
at
more
and
more
in
this
new
official
plan
is
adaptable,
built
form
such
as
is
the
ground
floor
of
that
building
built
so
that
it
could
be
different
things
over
time.
I
I
So
the
more
mature
suburban
areas
are
seeing
it,
but
we
struggle
with
this
very
issue
about
you
know
buildings
not
being
mixed
use.
I
know
we
had
many
debates
recently
before
this
committee
on
beechwood,
for
example,
where
we
wanted
more
mix
of
uses
even
within
buildings,
and
the
problem
is
the
building
industry?
Isn't
there
yet
in
terms
of
all
the
mechanisms?
Very
few
of
them
will
do
very
few
builders.
Very
few
lenders
will
will
participate
in
those
types
of
developments.
So
it's
not
it's
it's
changing
in
north
america.
B
Yeah,
I
I
think
there
are
some
developers
more
willing
to
have
that
conversation
than
others.
In
fact,
I
think
the
carling
avenue
item
that's
on
our
agenda
today.
There
is
space
that
will
be
kept
for
retail,
for
it
could
be
a
grocery
store,
and
that
was
through
some
negotiation
and
encouragement
of
the
developer
to
do
that,
but
it
unfortunately
doesn't
always
happen.
The
other
thing
I
wanted
to
ask
was
just
in
terms
of
a
cadence
for
getting
updates
to
this
50-minute
report.
We've
got
the
baseline,
but
what
is
the
plan?
C
Our
employment
survey
is
done
every
five
years
supposed
to
be
done
in
2020
and
it
was
delayed
with
govid,
so
at
a
minimum
the
frequency
would
be
just
after
we
received
the
results
of
our
employment
survey
to
answer
that
subset
and
then
we'd
also
have
to
look
at
the
frequency
of
other
available
data.
But
so,
at
this
point
we're
looking
at
a
minimum
of
perhaps
a
five
year
cycle
or
to
tie
it
with
how
frequent
we
conduct
our
employment
survey.
B
B
Okay.
Before
we
go
to
item
three,
we
have
a
deferral
motion
for
item
number,
five,
which
is
200
bearable
street,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
we
deal
with
that
right
away,
because
we
have
a
number
of
delegations.
Who've
been
sitting
patiently
waiting
for
that
item.
I
believe
counselor
moffett
has
the
deferral
motion
once
we
get
it
on
screen.
This
is
for
item
five
200
baraboo
street.
E
Thank
you
I
imagine
councillor
fleury
might
want
to
speak
to
you
at
some
point,
but
the
the
deferral
motion
is
where's.
The
report
before
us
seeks
his
own
amendments
to
accommodate
the
construction
of
85
unit
planned
unit
development
and
whereas
the
award
counselor
has
requested
that
the
report
be
deferred
to
the
next
regular
meeting
of
planning
committee
on
january
27th,
2022.
E
E
B
K
L
Yeah
sorry,
mr
chair,
there
are,
if
you
read
my
comments
in
the
report.
There
are
a
number
of
site
plan
elements,
but
there's
some
that
are
aren't
clear
and
I
apologize,
but
I
was
not
able
to
connect
with
the
applicant
and
I'll
take
full
blame
for
it
ahead
of
this
meeting.
So
I
believe
we
can
come
to
a
consensus,
but
we
do
need
to
meet
to
come
forward.
B
M
Good
morning
co-chairs
thanks
for
allowing
me
the
opportunity
to
speak
the
the
owner
of
the
site.
Kevin
mcmahon
may
also
take
an
opportunity
to
respond.
We
were
aware
of
the
the
site
plan
items
that
you
know.
We
were
going
to
have
further
coordination
with
the
counselor's
office
as
well
as
staff.
I
was
not
aware
of
the
motion
to
defer
it's
a
significant
amount
of
time,
as
it
would
be
at
the
end
of
january.
M
B
M
Through
you,
mr
chair,
there's
not
a
specific
schedule,
but
these
zoning
exception
provisions
are
specific
for
this
particular
development.
The
rear
yard
setbacks
because
of
the
shape
of
the
lot
and
and
the
positioning
of
the
units,
it's
actually
sort
of
there's
a
pinch
point
and
then
it
broadens
out,
and
so
you
know,
we've
made
the
zoning
to
be
relatively
tailored
to
this
development.
B
I
want
to
ask
councillor
fleury:
we
have
got
quite
a
long
time
before
this
goes
to
council.
Can
we
deal
with
the
zoning
today
and
have
you
deal
with
the
site
plan
matters
between
now
and
council
on?
If
there's
any
significant
issues
that
come
up
between
now
and
then
there
might
be
a
need
for
deferral
at
council,
but
absolutely.
L
Yeah,
absolutely
I
see
no
problem
and
again
I'm
I'm
taking
full
blame
for
not
being
able
to
connect
with
the
applicant
ahead
of
time
for
on
these
on
these
minor
things.
But
looking
for
for
additional
clarity
and
I'm
glad
for
the
item
to
to
proceed-
and
I
know
there's
a
number
of
delegations
today
and
we
can
take
it
offline
afterwards.
So
sorry
for
sorry
for
creating
confusion.
B
O
P
O
We
have
a
number
of
small
properties:
small
businesses,
restaurants,
coffee
shops,
patios
things
like
that
that
are
by
nature
of
main
street
zoning,
cheek
by
jowl,
with
residential
neighborhoods
directly
alongside,
and
so
we
had
a
number
of
businesses
that
were
never
allowed
to
have
an
outdoor
patio.
Before
and
all
of
a
sudden.
With
these
new
regulations,
they
were
able
to
put
up
the
table
and
the
chairs
they
were
able
to
put
out
some
picnic
tables.
O
This
was
a
regulatory
barrier
that
was
getting
in
the
way
of
small
businesses
being
able
to
improve
the
quality
of
life
along
our
streets.
This
is
a
proposition
that
provides
more
flexibility
to
create
more
of
a
livable
community
within
our
city,
and
so
what
the
planning
department
is
recommending
is
to
make
those
regulations
permanent
and
move
those
things
forward.
O
O
Now,
with
respect
to
sensitivity,
though,
we
understand
that
there
is
an
issue
with
respect
to
a
commercial
development
next
to
a
residential
property
and
as
much
as
there
is
a
reasonable
expectation
for
how
how
to
be
a
good
neighbor.
We
do
think
it's
prudent
to
provide
some
restrictions,
so
we
are
calling
for
those
patios
to
provide
screening
and
landscaping
between
that
commercial
patio
and
that
residential
district.
O
The
other
restriction
that
we
are
putting
into
place
is
we
are
going
to
continue
the
prohibition
on
outdoor
amplified
sound
outdoor
amplified.
Sound
is
the
number
one
issue
that
we
have
with
outdoor
patios,
whether
they
are
on
the
right-of-way
or
within
private
lots,
and
that
is
speakers
amplified
music.
O
Things
like
that
that
raise
the
decibel
threshold
much
up
much
further
up
within
30
meters
of
a
residential
property.
An
outdoor
commercial
property
will
be
allowed
to
have
a
patio,
but
they
may
not
have
an
amplified
sound
system
on
that,
which
means
that
it
is
human
voices
that
we
are
dealing
with,
subject,
of
course,
to
the
noise
bylaw
as
it
moves
forward.
O
B
B
F
F
So
we
are
happy
to
see
from
the
initial
recommendation
that
the
two
meter
high
screening
is
going
to
be
brought
forward
again.
It
was
originally
taken
out,
but
it's
important
that
this
be
a
sound
attenuation
structure,
not
just
a
visual
screening,
because
the
wording
appears
to
be
just
some
screen
and
you
could
put
up
a
piece
of
lattice
which
isn't
going
to
reduce
the
noise
from
a
patio
at
2
am
on
a
monday
night.
F
So
many
of
the
patios
that
opened
during
the
pandemic
in
parking
lots
at
the
rear
of
buildings
had
limited
hours
and
limited
capacity,
and
so
looking
at
that,
it's
not
really
a
fair
estimation
of
what
the
impact
might
be
on
neighbors,
whose
windows
are
directly
beside
this,
and
so
we're
really
concerned
about
what
the
full
impact
will
be.
Once
things
get
back
to
full
capacity
because
many
of
those
patios
you
know
they
they
couldn't
serve
past
10
at
certain
times
and
and
that
kind
of
thing,
and
we
really
disagree
about
noise.
F
F
So
there
needs
to
be
a
better
way
of
doing
this,
and
just
punting
it
to
cps
doesn't
seem
to
be
adequate
without
adding
extra
resources
and
you've
already
passed
the
cps
budget.
Now
so
our
traditional
main
street
wraps
around
the
corners,
and
so
we
do
have
patios
that
are
a
budding
residential
zone
and
in
one
particular
one
we
were
able
to
negotiate
a
good,
sound
attenuation
wall
with
the
the
owner
who
went
through
committee
of
adjustment.
F
So
we're
also
concerned
about
the
oversight
by
businesses
of
the
patios
across
the
street
or
down
the
block,
which
is
what
is
in
the
staff
recommendations.
So
how
do
they
get
food
and
alcohol
down
the
street?
We
asked
agcl
what
the
policy
would
be
and
they
had
no
idea.
This
was
coming
and
they
forwarded
it
to
toronto.
F
F
F
We
support
the
small
businesses,
so
some
parts
of
this
are
good,
but
there's
not
enough
in
terms
of
mitigation
that
we
believe
that
you've
got
in
there,
so
the
noise
barriers
are
essential,
so
the
wording
in
that
should
be
changed
to
a
noise
barrier
as
opposed
to
a
screening
which
could
be
just
a
lattice
and
some
way
for
bylaw
to
be
able
to
keep
up.
If
that's
the
strategy
you're
going
to
go
with,
you
need
more
officers,
they
need
to
be
dedicated.
F
There
needs
to
be
some
way
of
three
strikes
and
you've
got
some
some
implications
on
you.
So
please
send
us
back
to
staff
and
ask
for
better
measures,
because
this
is
a
good
thing,
but
if
it's
right
under
your
bedroom
window,
what's
the
response
other
than
just
call
3-1-1,
which
is
like
bashing
your
head
against
a
cement
wall.
N
N
F
F
One
was
extremely
loud
as
I
walked
by
on
armstrong
street,
but
again
people
were
trying
to
help
those
businesses
survive.
So
nobody
wanted
to
call
noise
complaint
this
year
and
again
those
patios
often
were
not
going
very
late
either,
and
certainly
you
know
if
they
have
to
apply
for
a
new
liquor
permit
this
year
for
those
spaces,
then
the
community
will
have
a
chance
to
be
able
to
look
at
possible
conditions
of
hours
of
closure,
as
opposed
to
everybody
leaving
at
2
45.
F
There
were
prohibitions
on
serving
alcohol
after
certain
hour
for
part
of
the
year.
It
was
10
o'clock.
I
believe
so.
Those
conditions
will
now
probably
be
gone
so
serving
until
two
in
the
morning
and
having
people
out
there
until
2,
45
or
3
is
a
concern
for
residents
that
are
nearby
so
yeah.
There
were
two
patios
that
there
was.
There
was
a
fair
amount
of
noise
from
they
weren't
open
late,
but
yeah.
Just
throwing
people
to
the
one
one
is
is
difficult.
N
Okay,
I
mean
I'm
supportive
of
the
the
motion
that's
being
put
forward,
as
you
know,
and
I
would
encourage
you,
I
I
don't
mind
working
with
owners
to
to
see
what
sort
of
compromises
we
can
come
to
in
in
hintonburg
you're
not
going
to
have
a
lot
of
parking
lot,
patios
or
dining
room,
patios
open
until
tour
two
o'clock
in
the
morning.
I
don't
think
but
I'll
I'll
leave
it
there
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation,
cheryl.
N
So
I
do
wonder
what
staff
are
hearing
with
respect
to
the
separate
licensing
for
patios
that
provide
the
community
with
leverage
to
work
out
compromises
on
things
like
ours
prior
to
the
pandemic,
when
new
patios
opened,
that
was
a
separate
license,
and
that
gave
community
associations
and
others
a
chance
to
work
through
opening
hours
capacities.
Things
like
that.
Do
we
have
any
indication
at
this
point
of
whether
the
the
provinces
is
planning
to
resume
that
kind
of
separate
licensing.
Q
N
N
So
a
if
a
if
a
restauranteur
suggested
opening
a
patio,
they
sought
a
separate
license
for
that,
and
the
community
then
had
an
opportunity
to
talk
to
agco
and
talk
to
the
owner
about
reduced
hours
compared
to
the
dining
room,
for
instance,
and
I
I
do
take
cheryl's
point
with
respect
to
treating
patios
differently
with
respect
to
the
license
than
the
then
the
dining
room.
Do
we
have
any
indication
of
what
ag
co's
approach
might
be
with
respect
to
separate
licenses
for
patios
versus
dining
rooms,.
O
O
Florida
would
be
well
aware
that
we
did
a
lot
a
lot
of
that
with
respect
to
the
byward
market
and
to
to
regulate
some
of
the
nuisance
behaviors
that
were
there,
and
I
think
that
when
we
talk
about
issues
of
quality
of
life
and
nuisance
behavior,
that
is
a
tool
that's
available
to
us.
The
noise
bylaw
is
one
tool.
Enforcement
is
one
tool,
but
also
our
partners
at
heco
are
another
tool.
N
N
I
haven't
been
out
that
late
in
a
very
long
time,
but
the
you
know
it's
one
thing
to
have
a
something
like
anthony's
patio
operating
until
nine
o'clock
or
ten
o'clock
on
a
summer's
evening
versus
having
it
open
up
until
you
know
two
o'clock
in
the
morning,
which
is
you
know
when,
when
things
start
to
get
a
little
bit
loud
all
right.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
it.
B
J
J
So
that's
it
used
to
be
a
was
it
a
75
meter
screen
necessary
75
meter
inset
there
was
a
screen
necessary
and
now
it's
down
to
30..
If
you
could
just
confirm
that
or
clarify
that,
and
then
the
other
piece
I
wanted
to
ask
you
about
is
around
that
right
away.
Piece.
You
mentioned
separate
item
for
parking.
You
know
spaces
on
the
road,
for
example,
or
patio
spaces,
on
sidewalks
with
accessibility.
J
We
had
an
initiative
in
capital
ward
that
we,
you
know,
had
a
street
entrance
converted
to
a
public
patio
hugely
well
received
by
residents
in
the
area,
local
businesses,
visitors
that
were
coming
here
and
and
couldn't
have
been
better
better
received
than
that.
So
I
I
I
do.
We
still
have
the
ability
to
do
that
in
the
future.
When
will
those
discussions
happen
about
the
conversion
of
say,
on-street,
parking,
spaces,
right-of-way
spaces
and
and
street
conversions
like
we
did
this
past
year.
Q
Thank
you
chair.
I
will
just
confirm
the
first
question
before
I
turn
it
over
to
our
right
away
staff.
For
the
second
question,
the
counselor
is
understanding.
It
correctly,
the
requirement
that
we're
proposing
to
put
in
which
wasn't
originally
in
the
circulation,
but
we
have
been
putting
in
based
on
on
feedback
from
the
counselor
and
others.
It
is
to
continue
requiring
screening
for
any
patio
that
is
within
30
meters
of
a
residential
zone.
Q
Currently
this
is
the
requirement
that
does
apply
for
any
patio
that
is
within
75
meters
of
a
residential
zone,
so
currently
within
30
meters
would
be
normally
prohibited
between
30
and
75
meters.
It's
permitted,
but
you
require
the
screening.
What's
proposed,
now
is
permitted
within
30
meters
and
only
within
30
meters.
Do
you
require
the
screen
so
I'll
now
turn
it
over
to
to
the
right-of-way
staff.
Just
to
answer
that
second
question.
Thank
you
sure.
A
Through
you,
mr
chair,
just
in
terms
of
the
right-of-way
patio
innovation
program,
we're
looking
at
coming
forward
to
transportation
committee
in
february
with
a
detailed
report
in
terms
of
the
initiatives
we're
looking
at
taking
for
2022
patio
season
and
glad
to
to
hear
that
there
were
successes
through
the
2021
season
and
looking
for
feedback
at
that
time.
And
and
we
can
reach
out
in
advance
to
get
a
little
bit
more
feedback
in
terms
of
what
worked.
And
what
didn't
work
and
coming
forward.
With
the
report
to
to
transportation
committee.
E
E
M
L
L
E
N
L
That
planning
committee
amend
document
1
by
revising
the
first
line
of
item
1b
so
that
it
reads
as
follow
where
an
outdoor
commercial
patio
is
within
30
meters
of
a
residential
zone.
It
is
not
permitted
to
be
served
by
an
amplified
system
directly
or
indirectly
for
music
or
entertainment
purposes.
Be
it
further
resolve
that
there
be
no
further
notice
pursuant
to
section
3417
of
the
planning
act
and
therefore
be
it
resolve
that
staff
be
directed
to
develop
a
good
neighbor
information
document
for
outdoor
commercial
patios,
located
in
both
the
right-of-way
or
and
on
private
lands.
E
Okay
thanks,
it
said
the
wording
of
that
it's
kind
of
jumbled.
It
should
be
therefore
be
resolved.
Then
the
thing
at
the
bottom
should
be
be
it
further
resolved.
That
should
be
the
next
thing
and
then
the
last
thing
should
be
the
planning
act
mention
of
the
no
further
notice,
but
anyway,
that's
just
small
details.
Can
I
just
get
a
comment
from
staff
on
that
motion?
If
you
don't.
O
E
E
B
J
J
Thanks
so
much
chair,
I
I
just
wanted
to
thank
canada
lands
for
their
cooperation
here.
This
has
been
a
long
process
for
them
interrupt
started
before
the
pandemic.
Working
with
our
office,
you
know
and
then
through
right
through
the
pandemic,
there's
been
a
lot
of
consultations
held,
I'm
I'm
very
happy
to
see
where
we've
ended
up
here
and
to
have
a
good
partner
like
canada
land.
J
I
also
think
we
were
mentioning
food
deserts
before
there's
a
potential
here
now
for
a
to
attractive
grocery
store,
based
on
how
we've
worked
through
the
ground
floor,
commercial,
the
zoning
and
so
really
appreciate.
You
know
candleline's
work
with
us
on
that
as
well.
This
is
a
an
area
that
is,
quite
frankly,
a
food
desert
and
and
and
needs
that
type
of
support
here.
So
I
hope
in
the
future
when
these
lands
do
get
developed.
J
That
is
that's
possible
and
also
just
you
know,
a
huge
potential
here
for
new
parks,
the
natural
geological
formation
with
the
the
rock
outcrop.
This
is
right
along
carling
and
sure
we're
getting
a
lot
of
development
right
from
bronson
right
down
to
carling,
as
you
know,
to
preston
and
beyond.
So
that's
going
to
be
a
major
corridor
hub
30
is
now
but
it'll,
be.
J
You
know
a
much
larger
corridor
with
much
increased
transit
service
in
the
future,
and
this
is
one
of
the
the
housing
typologies
that
we're
going
to
see
on
there,
which
is
these.
These
high
rises.
This
one
has
done
a
great
job
of,
I
think,
being
more
human
scale
in
nature
and
appreciate
the
work
of
staff
and
the
applicant
and
my
office
in
particular
thanks
chair.
B
A
A
The
property
is
located
within
the
vanya
neighborhood
next
slide,
please
more
specifically
north
of
the
vanier
parkway
near
the
intersection
or
at
the
intersection
of
laundry
street
and
barrybo
street
next
slide.
Please
here
are
a
few
pictures
for
context,
so
the
top
left
picture
is
shows
the
site
at
the
intersection
of
laundry
and
baribo
looking
southwest,
and
the
bottom
right
picture
is
the
site
in
question
from
the
perspective
of
maribo
street.
Looking
north
next
slide,
please
in
yellow
on
this
site.
A
So
we
see
a
bird's
eye
view
of
the
area,
so
the
site
in
yellow
the
carrion
street
at
the
bottom,
as
well
as
the
maya,
private
neighborhood
on
the
the
left-hand
side,
and
we
also
see
the
existing
saint
ambrose
park
at
the
to
the
left
of
the
site
as
well.
Next
slide,
please
here
we
see
the
existing
zoning
on
the
property.
It's
currently
zone,
minor
institutional.
A
It
is
the
site
of
a
former
school
which
was
recently
demolished.
It's
also
affected
by
the
floodplain
covered
under
section
58
of
the
zoning
bylaw.
It's
not
your
standard
floodplain,
it's
commonly
known
as
flood
fringe
section.
58
includes
requirements
for
permitting
development.
Within
these
types
of
floodplains,
provided
that
it's
carried
out
in
accordance
with
floodproofing
measures
and
receives
approval
from
the
relevant
conservation
authority
next
slide,
please
so
the
proposed
zoning.
A
The
proposal
is
for
a
planned
unit
development
consisting
of
85
townhouse
dwelling
units
accessed
via
internal
private
streets.
The
proposal
seeks
to
rezone
the
property
to
two
separate
zones,
top
left
of
the
the
map.
You
see
the
open
space
zone
that
is
proposed
to
coincide
with
the
park,
the
addition
to
the
existing
saint
anwa's
park
and
the
remainder
of
the
site
is
to
be
proposed
to
be
rezoned
to
an
r4
ua,
with
a
site-specific
exception,
which
would
introduce
a
reduction
in
front
corner
and
rear
yard
setbacks.
A
K
A
A
So
the
proposal
is
consistent
with
official
plan
policies,
namely
section
2.2,
managing
growth
and
section
2.5,
building
livable
communities.
It's
so
consistent
with
section
4817,
which
identifies
the
area
as
a
two-zone,
floodplain
policy
where
development
is
permitted,
where
permission
is
obtained
from
the
conservation
authority
and
also
the
proposal
or
the
proposed
zone,
which
is
our
for
ua,
is
consistent
with
other
zoning
categories
seen
throughout
the
neighborhood.
B
M
Fantastic
thank
you
morning.
Everyone,
I
see
it's
almost
afternoon,
members
of
planning
committee.
My
name
is
christine
mcquaig,
with
q9
planning
and
design
a
planning
consultant
that
will
be
giving
you
a
brief
overview
of,
what's
known
as
dominion
village
at
200
bearable
by
park.
River
properties
next
slide.
Please.
M
As
jc
had
highlighted,
this
site
is
located
in
vanier,
it's
a
former
school
site
located
south
of
beechwood
north
of
vanier,
parkway
and
east
of
kingsview
park.
This
proximity
to
beechwood
avenue
and
vania
parkway
provides
access
to
transit
and
amenities
to
the
left
of
the
proposed
development
is
an
existing
or
the
existing
mayor.
Private
planned
unit
development.
This
site
is
otherwise
surrounded
by
low-rise
residential
in
a
mix
of
singles
and
multi-unit
rentals
in
various
forms.
Next
slide,
please
also,
as
noted,
the
site
is
currently
zoned
minor
institutional.
M
It's
also
identified
as
an
area
of
reduced
flood
risk,
meaning
that
it's
afforded
protection
by
existing
berms,
and
we
have
had
significant
consultation
with
the
rideau
valley
conservation
authority,
and
they
are
supportive
of
the
development
specifically
because
the
institutional
zone
is
actually
not
permitted
in
the
floodplain
overlay,
whereas
residential
is
next
slide,
please
so,
as
noted,
the
proposed
development
would
contain
85
units
and
a
mix
of
town
home
styles.
The
focus
of
the
project
was
to
offer
that
ground-oriented
urban
living
that
would
be
an
alternative
to
an
apartment.
M
So
these
are
some
renders
of
the
project
to
illustrate
the
quality
the
urban
design
being
proposed.
There
is
a
mixture
of
textures
articulation
and
colors
no
unit.
Driveways
are
proposed
for
landry
or
variable
allowing
that
space
for
for
street
parking
as
needed
to
maximize
landscape
people
for
spaces
such
as
front
porches,
and
all
of
this
facing
towards
the
existing
community
next
slide.
Please-
and
this
would
be
a
view
looking
into
the
development
from
landry,
and
you
can
see
the
balconies
soft
landscaping.
The
proposed
trees
and
the
pedestrian
spaces
are
prominent
next
slide.
M
M
What
we
had
provided
is
garages
that
are
set
back
with
front
porches
that
are
prominent
as
well
as
balconies,
and
this
is
to
ensure
that
the
the
pedestrian
spaces
and
the
the
front
porches
and
the
architectural
elements
of
the
building
are
made
prominent
and
not
the
the
garages,
which
is
why
they
are
in
set
for
this
proposal
next
slide.
Please
so
just
getting
into
the
numbers
really
quick.
As
I
noted
there's
85
units
and
it's
made
up
of
back-to-back
towns,
rear
lane
towns
and
traditional
towns.
M
Each
unit
has
a
garage,
as
these
are
slab
on
grade
units
and
the
team
felt
that
garages
were
important
spaces
that
can
be
used
as
parking
or
storage
depending
on
the
end
user's
needs
and
as
of
course,
as
you
know,
needs
change
over
time
and
transit
improves
in
general
areas
of
the
city.
This
allows
suitable
flexibility
for
the
site
and
units
in
consultations
with
the
community.
There
were
those
who
felt
that
there
was
too
much
parking
and,
conversely,
there
were
those
who
felt
there
was
not
enough
parking.
M
Given
the
site's
location,
we
felt
that
the
proposed
parking
arrangement
was
balanced.
There
are
additional
three
visitor
parking
spaces
within
the
development
itself
and
in
terms
of
the
parkland
there
is
a
required
dedication
of
0.127
hectares.
The
proposed
park
expansion
is
going
to
be
0.1
hectares
with
the
remaining
as
cash
in
lieu
that
will
be
put
towards
the
actual
construction
of
the
park
concurrently
with
the
development
of
the
project,
so
that
it's
all
developed
as
one
cohesive
community
and
for
the
entirety
of
the
site.
M
We
have
proposed
127
large
species,
trees,
there's
currently
about
20
on
the
site
right
now,
so
there
will
be
a
significant
greater
number
of
trees
on
this
on
this
site,
which
will
contribute
to
the
city's
canopy.
Next
slide,
please,
as
identified
by
staff.
This
project
requires
the
zoning
amendment
to
resolve
the
lands
from
institutional
to
r4ua,
which
is
consistent
with
the
budding
zone
to
the
south
of
this
development,
along
with
some
site-specific
exception
provisions
and
site
plan
control
has
been
proceeding
concurrently
and
we
are
still
moving
through
that
process.
Next
slide,
please.
M
So
this
is
a
list
of
these
site-specific
exceptions
for
the
proposed
zoning
amendment.
They
were
also
in
the
staff
report
and,
as
I
noted
previously
planning
committee
for
this
particular
project,
the
exception
provisions
have
been
tailored
quite
specifically
to
this
development,
which
does
include
an
increase
to
the
interior
yard
setback,
which
would
be
for
the
units
facing
a
budding
mayor
private
in
order
to
maintain
and
ensure
that
we
have
that
sufficient
rear
yard
amenity
conditions.
M
M
So
this
is
an
image
of
the
a
colored
version
of
the
site
plan
which
highlights
some
key
views.
I
will
end
on
this
slide,
as
this
is
a
suitable
slide
to
conclude
on,
but
I
do
want
to
highlight
that
this
project
provided
an
engagement
website
for
residents
to
share
their
thoughts
and
to
discuss
the
project
and
be
kept
aware
of
the
status.
M
We
had
an
open
line
of
communication
with
a
dedicated
email
and
phone
number
that
was
managed
by
park
river
properties,
as
well
as
a
public
information
session.
A
survey
of
you
know,
residents,
thoughts
and
positions
as
well
as
saint
ambrose,
working
group
and
communication
with
the
vanier
community
association
and
then,
finally,
before
I
conclude,
I
do
want
to
acknowledge
we.
M
Thank
you
very
much
and
myself
is
available
for
questions
as
well
as
kevin
mcmahon
of
park,
river
properties
and
also
on
the
line
is
barry
hoban
hugo
latre,
and
there
was
someone
online
from
csw
as
a
landscape
architect,
but
I
believe
they
had
to
drop
off.
So
I
will
do
my
best
to
answer
any
landscape
related
questions.
Thank
you.
B
B
A
B
P
Okay,
thank
you.
If
any
a
community
association
has
been
actively
engaged
on
this
application
and
from
the
start
has
been
concerned
about
an
apparent
failure
in
the
city's
implementation
of
the
official
plan
concerning
this
former
school
and
city
of
vanier
park,
it
was
disappointing
to
learn
that
the
city
failed
in
its
obligation,
as
we
saw
under
the
provincial
policy
statement
and
the
official
plan,
specifically
paragraph
2.5.3,
concerning
school
closures.
P
There
was
no
effort
in
this
case
to
consult
the
community
about
the
future
use
as
per
the
official
plan.
We
don't
blame
the
applicant
for
this
failure,
but
it
did
motivate
the
community
to
seek
a
rezoning
from
institutional
use
that
would
ensure
maximum
public
benefit
and
consistency
with
the
new
r4
zoning
regime.
P
The
staff
report
and
recommendations
to
provide
extensive
exemptions
to
the
r4
bylaw
for
this
project,
together
with
the
city's
turndown
of
a
vca,
call
for
a
maximum
park,
dedication
and
land
to
mitigate
the
loss
of
the
previous
park
space.
That
shortage
in
banyak
were
disappointing
and
even
disconcerting
first
slide.
Please.
P
Why
does
the
city
advocate
for
a
reduced
street
frontage
setback
as
if
more
trees
along
vanity
streets
should
be
sacrificed
to
the
city's
apparent
support
for
a
more
urban
field
in
vanya,
as
suggested
in
the
report,
fail
to
take
into
account
meaningful
planning
to
address
this
development
on
vanni's
floodplain
confirms
the
recognition
of
this
committee
on
the
need
to
include
a
review
of
floodplain
policies
as
part
of
a
na
secondary
plan.
The
need
for
compliance
with
setback
requirements
under
the
bylaw,
in
our
view,
is
obvious,
especially
in
this
context.
P
P
You
have
all
received
a
useful
analysis
of
these
issues
in
a
recent
letter
from
my
residents,
and
you
will
hear
more
from
other
residents
speaking
today.
We
urge
you
to
ensure
adherence
to
the
bylaw
provisions,
especially
those
affecting
the
perimeter
of
the
project,
to
enhance
vanie's
highly
dense
inner
urban
public
realm
permit
tree
planting,
including
along
public,
speak
streets,
so
important
for
a
flood
plain
and
minimize
impacts
on
adjacent
residents.
If
the
setback
exceptions
proposed
by
the
city
are
accepted,
you
are
undermining
the
credibility
of
the
new
r4
regime
you
approved
late
last
year.
P
P
B
D
I
was
content.
I
believe
they
reduced
it
by
two
units
to
allow
for
more
space.
I
am
again
concerned
because
of
the
rather
name
reduction
in
lanes
on
montreal
road.
We
have
been
in
contact
with
the
city
and
in
particular
council
fleury's
office,
I'm
on
montfort,
just
a
block
away.
It
is
not
unusual
to
see
cars
far
in
excess
of
the
speed.
D
D
D
You
will
see
no
major
stories
within
a
block
or
two
from
major
intersections,
such
as
the
417,
because
of
transportation
are
current
they're
shutting
down.
I
understand
the
metro
market.
A
current
transport
truck
will
come
in
at
probably
53
plus
so
you're
looking
at
60
feet
and
they're,
not
negotiating
urban
streets.
I'll.
D
I
am
concerned-
and
this
is
one
of
the
things
in
talking
to
a
variety
of
the
leading
engineers
in
canada-
that
I've
met
through
my
wife
infrastructure.
You
know
you're
putting
thousands
of
new
people
in
here.
Has
anybody
contacted
or
made
arrangements
for
the
province
about
increasing
the
availability
of
services
at
watford
hospital?
D
You
know,
as
far
as
I'm
concerned
I
might
get
on
my
my
rag
about
ottawa
is
perhaps
the
worst
city
I
know
of
for
ableism.
You
know
the
complete
lack
of
designated
handicapped
parking
spots
in
ottawa
floors
me,
but
that's
another
issue.
I
can
go
needing
a
walker
to
get
around,
there's
no
place
in
venue
I
can
get
to
without
a
car
20
of
the
city.
It
has
some
thing
disabled,
so
I
know
this
doesn't
considerably
is
not
part
of
your
consideration
directly.
D
However,
I
am
concerned
that
all
this
new
building,
this
project
in
particular,
is
now
going
to
place
stress
on
local
services.
The
nearest
place
I
can
go
for
groceries
is
now
the
macarthur
on.
If
the
metro
closes
is
now
the
mccart,
the
wobbles
down
the
macarthur,
and
I
ca
you
know,
I
and
my
wife
can't
do
that
without
using
a
car.
B
R
So
importantly,
I
would
first
like
to
say
that
we
believe
this
housing
and
park
extension
project
would
be
a
net
benefit
to
the
community,
but
considering
you
know
the
existing
land
zoning
context,
we
recommend
the
following
adjustments.
Oh
did
you
put
the
first
slide
on
please
eric
yeah,
sorry,
okay,
but
considering
you
know
the
the
existing
land
context.
We
recommend
the
following
adjustments
to
the
site
perimeters
to
the
balcony
projections
and
to
the
park
extensions.
R
R
R
R
So,
in
regards
to
the
setbacks
and
the
balcony
projection,
the
applicant
performed
a
similarity.
I
have
saved
time
saying
similarity
analysis
based
on
neighborhood
housing
as
a
justification,
so
for
new
units
positioned
further
within
the
site.
Where
there's
no
previous
context,
then
it's
reasonable
to
use
comparable
housing
further
in
the
neighborhood
as
precedence,
however,
not
for
the
new
units
position
at
the
site
perimeter
right,
it's
the
abutting
lots
that
experience
direct
local
impact,
so
they're
the
ones
that
should
be
the
comparable
housing
units.
R
R
R
Okay!
So
now,
in
regards
to
the
park
extension,
we
understand
that
this
application
may
be
about
land
development,
but
we
also
need
to
consider
the
housing
and
site
plan
design.
Why
is
that?
Well,
housing
units
are
relatively
large
in
order
to
allow
families
to
grow,
which
is
you
know,
one
of
the
main
goals
of
this
project,
but
by
design
the
private
outdoor
space
is
limited
to
the
balcony.
Throughout
the
entire
site.
There
is
no
yard
space
for
children
to
run
and
play
which
then
pushes
these
activities
into
public
green
space
as
such.
R
Due
to
this
specific
housing
design,
the
park
extension
should
be
at
least
at
its
minimum
value
of
0.12
acres.
Right
off
note.
Such
outdoor
space
design
may
ultimately
be
how
many
future
redevelopment
projects
occur
in
central
urban
areas.
So,
for
example,
what
I
have
in
that
dotted
line
is,
you
know
a
suggested
design
by
the
applicant
on
a
neighboring
lot
in
carrino
street
and
other
developers
may
do
similar.
But
if
that's
the
case,
it
gives
even
more
reason
to
maximize
that
public
green
space
use
and
have
it
at
its
full
extent
make
sure
that.
R
Yeah
yeah,
I'm
done
it's.
The
last
slide
next
slide
so
yeah
in
summary.
Again,
if
we
believe
in
the
net
benefit
of
the
project,
but
we
also
believe
that
a
better
overall
design
can
be
possible.
So
if
you
agree
with
discussion
points,
we
request
that
you
pass
a
motion
to
adjust
the
site
perimeter,
setbacks,
the
balcony
projections
and
the
park
extension
according
to
arrow
and
the
venue
community
association
recommendations.
R
B
E
E
We
also
feel
the
same
way
with
arturo
and
the
vca
that,
given
the
fact
there
is
such
little,
you
know
accessible
green
space
within
the
proposed
development
that
the
park
space
should
be
at
at
minimum.
The
maximum
proposed,
if
not
more,
I
don't
really
have
anything
else
to
add,
but
but
I
think
yeah
rto
did
a
wonderful
job
thanks.
B
B
S
We
have
people
who
you
know
are
backing
on
to
the
proposed
development,
as
well
as
other
residents
of
the
street
who
are
concerned
about
the
park
size
because
of
the
lack
of
space.
For
you
know,
children
to
play
on
the
new
development
and
how
it's
going
to
impact
on
the
local
park,
which
already
is
quite
small
and
so
the
minimum
park
space
that's
less
than
minimum
park.
Space
provided
is
an
issue.
S
Traffic
is
something
else
that
came
up
in
discussions
and
we're
pleased
that
the
counselor
has
proposed
that
it'd
be
a
one-way
street
going
from
better
bow
through
to
laundry.
But
I
guess
that
might
cause
problems
for
people
on
mount
four,
and
our
concern
was
that
the
mayor
private
is
already
used
as
a
cut-through
from
laundry
through
to
vanier
parkway,
and
this
could
well
increase
the
amount
of
traffic
coming
through
there,
and
it
is
a
private
street
that
we
have.
We
pay
fees
from
our.
You
know.
S
Our
own
condominium
group
to
you
know,
cover
costs
of
repair
and
repairs
and
snow
removal
etc
to
that
street.
So
we
would
like
to
see
that
there
be
a
traffic
study
done
after
the
development
is
out
built,
so
we
can
see
the
traffic
flows
at
that
point,
but
I
guess
our
main
concern
really
is
the
impact
that
it
will
be
on
our
private
space
and
arturo's
covered
that
mike's
covered
that
as
well.
S
We
use
our
private
space
in
the
back
as
our
place
for
relaxation
it's
a
private
space
for
us
to
you
know,
have
barbecues
and
for
our
kids
to
play
grandchildren
to
come
and
play
in
our
backyards
and
so
on,
and
we
feel
that's
going
to
be
quite
negatively
impacted
by
the
way
the
development
is
set
up
now,
with
the
no
guarantees
of
the
the
size
of
the
trees
that
might
grow.
You
know,
they're
going
to
be
used
could
well
exceed
the
height
of
the
the
townhouses.
S
Some
of
them
are
15
meters,
you
know
projected
to
grow
to
and
so
on.
The
area
taken
up
by
those
trees,
too,
is
going
to
be
quite
large,
so
there
could
well
be
an
impact.
You
know
shadowing
impact
on
us
by
those
trees
and
there's
no
guarantees
that
they
will
be
maintained.
So
those
are
the
main
concerns
that
we
have.
B
B
B
L
Could
you
maybe
speak
to
some
of
your
your
your
objectives
in
terms
of
the
rear
yard
elements
that
are
often
raised
by
residents
as
concerns
along
the
out
private
and
cathedral?
Specifically,
I
know
it's
been
a
an
ongoing
conversation
between
all
parties
here,
so
I
I
wonder
if
you
could
propose
how
you
see
that
this
application
is
minimizing
those
impacts
from
from
early
community
feedback.
M
M
Some
of
them
were
a
bit
dated,
though
I
do
believe
we've
had.
Mr
mcmahon
has
had
communication
with
the
community
association
and
there
have
been
updated
plans.
The
rear
yard
setbacks
at
both
facing
mayor
private
development,
as
well
as
facing
south
ontario,
have
been
increased
from
the
original
proposal
that
was
submitted
and
we've
gone
back
and
forth
with
staff
and
forestry
on
those
matters,
as
well
as
urban
design.
In
a
number
of
instances,
and
with
specific
regard
to
the
mayor,
private
rare
yard
budding
conditions.
M
If,
if
there
were
at
great
amenity
spaces,
it
would
present
more
of
a
privacy
consideration,
because
you
would
be
looking
below
the
canopy
of
the
proposed
trees,
whereas
the
location
of
the
balcony
ensures
that
the
tree
canopies
would
actually
create
that
privacy
between
both
rear
yard
amenity
users.
So
that
was
the
proposal
as
to
the
rationale
as
to
why
we
chose
to
go
with
that
particular
avenue
as
to
have
the
trees,
buffered
and
the
balcony
spaces.
E
No,
I
think
you
covered
everything
I
I
think
our
initial
position
was
based
off
of
the
the
rear
air
setbacks
required
for
the
planned
unit
development
based
on
the
lot
depth,
which
I
believe
is
four
meters
and
through
consultation.
That
was
became
clear-
that
we
needed
to
do
more
than
that,
and
so
we've
done
the
best
we
can,
while
trying
to
retain.
L
Okay
and
then
just
as
a
follow-up
there,
there
continues
to
be
concern
relating
to
the
availability
of
visitor
parking,
particularly-
and
I
I
I
I
know
we
have
to
work
through
those
elements
from
us
from
sidewalk
with
to
fire
lane
requirements.
But
I'd
love
for
us
to
work
on
finding
some
on-street
spots
within
the
private
and
just
looking
for
for
your
agreement,
that
that
would
be
a
that'd
be
discussed
in
the
next
phase.
For
from
your
perspectives.
M
We're
open
to
meeting
with
staff
in
your
office
as
well
to
discuss
those
ongoing
site
plan
control
issues.
The
current
visitor
parking
that's
provided
within
the
development
is
those
three
additional
spaces
in
addition
to
the
driveway
spaces
that
are
that
are
being
proposed
and
to
my
understanding
there
are
on-street
parking
spaces
permitted
both
on
variable
and
on
landry
as
well.
M
We
want
to
make
sure
in
those
discussions
going
forward,
that
we
do
achieve
a
balance
of
housing
and
landscaping,
especially
in
consideration
of
current
climate
considerations
for
for
the
city
and
going
forward
and
improvements
to
transit
and
lrt
across
the
city.
So
I
just
wanted
to
highlight
that
is
kind
of
our
goal.
Moving
forward
on
those
discussions
with
your
office
and
with
city
staff.
L
Yeah,
no,
absolutely
we
don't
intend
to
increase
the
hard
surface
or
to
add
roadway.
Quite
the
opposite.
I
think
there's
opportunities
to
to
increase
the
pedestrian
realm
and
and
reduce
the
movement
through
the
site
just
for
further
concurrence.
So
there
are,
it
is
unclear
in
some
of
the
plans,
really
we're
looking
for
additional
trees
at
the
rear
yards
and
and
for
each
addresses
along
landry
and
baraboe
and
and
that
again
to
you
would
be
a
site
plan
site
plan.
Consideration.
M
That's
correct:
we
will
continue
to
review
and
find
locations
for
additional
trees
in
the
rear
yards.
I
believe
I
don't
have
the
numbers
directly
in
front
of
me,
but
I
believe
we're
at
an
average
of
four
trees
per
rear
yard
along
the
west
and
and
the
south
locations
there's
currently
proposed
to
be
127
large
species
trees.
M
So
we
are
looking
at
more
than
one
tree
on
average
per
unit
for
this
85
unit
development.
I
think
there's
eight
additional
trees
beyond
that
127,
but
they're
not
classified
as
large
species
trees,
and
so
there
is
a
you
know
over
130
trees
being
proposed.
So
I
do
want
to
flag
that,
but
we
are
certainly
we
will
work
with
csw.
L
You
know,
and
we
can
take
the
details
at
our
conversation.
The
last
point
relates
to
to
the
the
blocks
that
really
have
a
front
entrance
on
beribo
and
landry.
Specifically,
it
feels
really
back
of
a
building
from
the
site
plan
drawings.
I've
seen
so
can
is,
are
the
architectural
renderings
to
soften
the
landscaping
and
look
at
materials
and
stuff
along
that
laneway.
Also
part
of
the
site
plan
considerations.
M
Certainly
mr
hobin
from
from
hoban's
office
is,
is
available
on
the
call,
but
that
architectural
design
has
been
detailed
and
enhanced
throughout
this
process.
As
I
mentioned
in
my
presentation,
the
garages
have
been
set
back
so
that
we
really
ensure
that
the
prominence
of
the
porches
and
the
balconies
are
the
first
thing
that
you
really
are
drawn
to
mr
hobin.
I
will
defer
to
you
if
you
want
to
add
on
to
that
at
all.
K
Am
I
muted
or
unmuted
you're
good?
Okay?
I
I
think
it's
important
to
actually
position
this
project
and
take
it
up
to
20
000
feet.
You
know
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
projects
in
established
neighborhoods
where
we're
looking
at
low-rise
apartment
buildings
or
mid-rise
apartment
buildings.
What
we're
trying
to
do
with
this
scheme
is
basically
a
ground-oriented
owner-occupied
project
and
I
can
guarantee
you.
There
are
very
very
few
projects
like
this
being
proposed
within
the
urban
area.
K
So
you
know
all
of
the
things
that
I
hear
mentioned
about
green
space,
about
parking
about
all
of
those
things.
Basically
are
the
tension
points
when
you
actually
want
to
do
a
ground-oriented
pre-hold
scheme
within
an
urban
area,
so
you
can't
win
on
every
front
so
christine
and
others
have
pointed
out
how
we've
animated
the
street,
by
facing
all
of
the
units
on
laundry
and
bearer
boat
to
the
street.
K
So
you
can't
have
it.
You
can't
have
a
green
space
on
one
side
and
then
basically
not
have
some
cost
on
the
other
side,
so
would
speak
to
councillor
florey's
comment
about
the
back
side
of
those
units
yeah.
Of
course,
the
backside
basically
suffers
because
you
put
the
garage
on
that
side,
but
the
other
side
is
animated
and
the
other
part
of
that
is
to
freeze
up
the
street
for
street
parking,
which
is
you
know,
something,
that's
believe
it
or
not.
It's
in
demand,
so
I
mean
in
all
these
things.
Yeah.
K
Are
we
saying
it's
the
perfect
suburban
model
where
we
have
tons
of
green
space,
and
we
have
you
know
over
amount
of
parking?
No,
but
we're
dealing
with
an
urban
area
we're
trying
to
create
density,
which
is,
I
think,
entirely
consistent
with
the
the
new
official
plan
and
certainly
the
notion
of
intensifying
within
existing
neighborhoods
without
relying
on
mid
to
high-rise
development.
So
that
would
be
my
my
my
only
comment.
Obviously,
the
option
to
introduce
street
trees
etc
is
always
there.
K
You
have
to
also
keep
in
mind
that
when
you're
doing
these
types
of
projects
low-rise
that
we
have
to
accommodate
a
number
of
technical
and
engineering
things,
not
the
least
of
which
is
fire
route,
that
has
to
be
able
to
be
planned
through
this
subject
through
this,
this
community
and
the
notion
of
providing
enough
space,
in
fact,
to
have
parking
and
or
visitor
parking
within
the
development,
not
relying
on
the
streets
that
are
on
the
outside.
So
that's
my
that's
my
my
quick
overview.
J
Thanks
chair
I'll,
be
quick,
there's
a
lot
to
like
in
this
proposal
that
I've
said
I've
seen.
I
think
the
the
piece
that
needs
more
discussion
here
is
as
council
florida
points
out
how
cars
work
through
the
site
and
the
amount
of
parking
space.
So
I
just
want
to
get
the
the
team
to
confirm
the
parking.
I
understand.
J
There's
85
resident
parking
spaces
that
are
proposed
here,
which
is
over
double
what
is
required
and
88
visitor
parking
spaces,
which
is
more
than
11
times,
what's
required,
so
that's
173
parking
spaces
where
the
bylaw
only
calls
for
48
in
a
fairly
urban
core
neighborhood.
I
just
want
to
confirm
with
the
team
that
is
currently
the
the
projection.
This
may
change
in
sight
plan,
but
I
just
wanted
to
hear
from
you
on
that
point.
K
M
80
of
the
units
also
have
a
driveway
space
and
that
is
sort
of
an
incidental
space
required,
as
the
the
pug
provisions
necessitate
the
building
to
be
set
back
from
the
private
way,
and
so
that
space
between
the
private
way
in
the
garage
is
instant.
Incidentally,
a
driveway
space,
five
of
the
85
units,
this
space
between
the
garage
and
the
private
way,
is
less
than
what's
required
in
the
planned
unit.
Development
provisions,
and
so
those
five
spaces
are
technically.
M
So
we're
trying
to
achieve
a
balance,
understanding
that
the
garages
have
the
ability
to
be
used
for
parking
as
needed
for
residents
or
they
may
use
it
as
storage,
which
some
of
us
in
ottawa,
especially
in
the
winter
conditions,
typically
do
use
garages
for
either
parking
and
storage
or
one
or
the
other.
So
we
wanted
to
ensure
that
flexibility
was
there.
So
I
hope
that
gives
you
some
clarity.
J
J
One
is
that
it
would
be
good
to
have
a
transit
stop
right
at
the
doorstep,
here,
you're
you're,
close
to
to
transit
services.
Here,
that's
the
first
and
then
the
the
second
is
a
lot
of
that
parking
space
could
be
used
for
housing
space
if
in
a
in
a
design
that
that
helps
to
achieve
that
missing
middle
housing.
We're
looking
for
so.
J
I
still
think
there's
too
much
parking
here
personally,
counselor
flurry's
a
suggestion
around
how
the
the
site
works
in
terms
of
that
one
way
and
other
other
pieces
can
be
accommodated,
but
I
think
you
should
be
looking
to
reduce
the
parking
gear
and
increase
the
the
housing
unit
potential
personally
from
our
own
official
plan
goals
and
other
things
that
we're
trying
to
accomplish
in
the
city
so
appreciate
the
rest
of
the
proposal.
It's
a
good
proposal
and
just
want
to
add
those
comments.
Thanks.
L
L
I
know
that
you've
been
on
this
proposal
for
a
number
of,
if
not
a
year
or
so,
could
you
clarify
the
concerns
from
residents
along
maya,
private
in
cation,
as
it
relates
to
the
rear
yard
setback
and
how
the
current
proposal
meets
or
doesn't
meet
the
planning
policy?
Intents
you've
heard
from
delegations
and
we've
seen
through
email
those
concerns
and
just
want
for
the
record
to
formalize
what
the
city's
perspective
is
on
those
rear
yard
conditions.
A
L
Okay-
and
I
know
obviously
that
will
continue
to
be
of
concern
to
to
neighbors
the
other.
The
other
question
or
comment
relates
to
the
city's
protection
of
the
parkland,
and
I,
I
obviously
just
see
you've
done
the
work
to
protect
and
expand
saint
ambrose
park
and
get
cash
in
the
parkland,
but
I
think
pre
to
that.
The
community
association
was
really
wondering
why
the
city
hadn't
put
its
hand
on
the
school
property
and
I'd
love
to
understand
what,
in
what
policy
environment
we
have
in
that
regards.
K
Well,
mr
chair,
with
respect
to
disposal
of
school
sites,
it's
it's
it's
my
understanding
that
there's
a
hierarchy
and
the
city
would
have
the
opportunity
to
to
obtain
that,
but
another
like
a
public
site,
but
it's
up
to
council
to
decide
if
that
will
become
a
city
asset
or
not,
and
then,
if
not,
it
gets
offered
off
to
the
to
the
private
sector
for
for
development.
But
did
we
up
the
council
to
have
enough
funds
or
funds
set
aside
for
the
purchase
of
any
school
sites?
L
Okay
and
then
the
final
question
to
to
staff
on
this,
mr
chair,
relates
to
the
the
items
that
are
outstanding,
so
trees
at
the
front
chairs
at
the
back.
Some
of
the
the
can
the
design
concerns
along
those.
What
would
be
back?
What
would
be
all
of
the
back
of
those
townhouses
along
landry
and
baribo
kind
of
those
alleyways,
and
then
some
of
the
transportation
elements,
particularly
width
of
sidewalks.
Those
are
all
elements
that
we
can
discuss
at
the
next
phase
in
siteline.
A
L
L
L
We
could
be.
The
applicant
could
have
been
seeking
great
much
greater
heights
here
as
we
as
we
have
at
at
70
and
90
landry
for
for
the
site,
and
I
think
this,
the
the
hope
of
seeing
more
families
move
into
vanier
in
this
in
this
environment
is
very,
very
positive.
There
are
outstanding
elements
that
I
don't
want
to
neglect
and
you've
heard
me
state
that
I
I
will
be
pursuing
those
at
site
plan
committee.
I
might
need
your
help
if
we
can
advance
it.
L
I
might
pull
delegated
authority
and
come
back
to
you
relations
to
some
of
those
objectives.
Hopefully
we
don't
get
there.
One
of
the
delegations
did
speak
to
cut
through
meow
private,
which
has
been
the
neighboring
development.
I
want
to
raise
that
it
is.
There
are
a
number
of
community
concerns
have
cut
through
through
the
community
from
montreal
road
to
the
vanier
parkway,
particularly,
but
I
do
want
to
raise
for
record
now.
L
Private
development
is
a
network
of
four
condo
boards
and
I've
repeatedly
brought
to
their
attention
their
need
to
agree
on
a
traffic
mitigation
aspects
within
their
private
street
network.
We've
have
phil
landry
and
emergency
services
as
written
with
the
framework
to
bring
forward
road
closures
or
limitations
to
the
road
closures.
L
So
I
will
once
again
reiterate
that
to
the
five
condo
boards,
within
with
the
now
private,
that
those
cut
through
issues
can
be
resolved
by
the
condo
board
and
the
city
is
supportive
within
the
framework
that
was
provided
in
writing
so
that
doesn't
mitigate
some
of
the
cut
through
concerns.
We
have
for
this
application,
but
it
does.
I
did
want
to
set
that
for
record.
So
again,
mr
chair,
I
am
supportive
of
the
application,
I
think
there's.
L
There
are
a
lot
of
positive
here,
including
additional
park,
land
increasing
of
saint
ambrose
park,
and
there
are
some
outstanding
elements
that
we
are
looking
forward
to
resolve
through
site
plan,
so
I'll
leave.
It
in
committee's
hands-
and
again
I
want
to
thank
the
community
and
the
applicant
for
for
their
submission
today,
I
think
from
where
from
where
they
started
to
the
community
engagement
to
where
we're
at
today
we're
we're
in
a
very
interesting
spot,
and
yes,
there
continues
to
be
some
elements
to
to
finalize.
Thank
you.
B
B
B
N
That
correctly,
so
on
behalf
of
counselor
mckenny
radon
is
naturally
occurring
gas,
which
is
low
risk
outdoors,
but
can
accumulate
in
buildings
and
elevated
radon
levels
present
an
increased
risk
of
lung
cancer
building
code
services
recently
released
guidance
on
voluntary
radon
mitigation
measures
for
the
construction
industry.
However,
voluntary
measures
are
not
sufficient.
Does
the
city
of
ottawa
have
a
plan
to
introduce
a
mandatory
radon
mitigation
and
testing
policy
or
program
such
as
the
radon
gas
mitigation
program?
That's
been
established
in
the
city
of
guelph?