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Planning Committee - 8 November 2021
Agenda and background materials can be found at http://www.ottawa.ca/agendas
A
Yeah
all
right,
I'm
looking
for
five
faces,
at
least
the
planning
committee
on
the
screens.
Before
we
start
it
is
9
30.
one,
two,
three,
four.
Okay,
perfect
all
right!
Welcome
everyone
to
our
planning
committee.
For
monday
november,
the
8th
we
acknowledge
that
ottawa
is
located
on
unseated
territory
of
the
algonquin
anishinabe
nation,
whose
culture
and
presence
have
nurtured
and
continued
to
nurture
this
land.
A
Today,
november,
8th
is
world
town
planning
day,
also
known
as
world
urbanism
day.
This
is
a
international
day
celebrating
the
accomplishments
of
planners
and
their
contributions
to
their
communities.
So
this
is
a
good
opportunity
today
to
say
thank
you
to
our
professional
planners,
both
in
the
public
sector
and
the
private
sector,
for
all
of
their
contributions
to
our
community
on
world
town
planning
day.
C
B
A
Okay.
Thank
you.
This
is
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
proposed
comprehensive
official
plan
and
zoning
bylaw
amendments
listed
as
items
one,
two,
three
four
and
five
on
today's
agenda
for
the
items
just
mentioned.
Only
those
who
make
oral
submissions
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendments
are
adopted
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
ontario
land
tribunal.
A
In
addition,
the
applicant
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
ontario
land
tribunal.
If
council
does
not
adopt
an
amendment
within
90
days
of
receipt
of
the
application
for
a
zoning
bylaw
amendment
and
120
days
for
an
official
plan
amendment
to
submit
written
comments
on
these
amendments
prior
to
their
consideration
by
city
council
on
november
24th,
2021,
please
email
or
call
the
committee
or
council
coordinator.
A
A
A
E
A
A
Item
number
three.
Is
a
zoning
bile
amendment
for
part
of
27.00
long
fields
drive?
We
have
no
public
delegations.
Do
any
of
the
committee
members
wish
to
hold
this
one
I'll
ask
the
the
applicant
jamie
posen
is
here
jamie
if
the
committee
is
ready
to
carry
this?
Do
you
wish
to
speak
today
on
the
item.
C
A
A
A
A
A
L
A
K
A
G
K
A
Carried
thank
you
and
there's
a
ipd
on
the
agenda
for
cash
and
move
parkland.
Anyone
interested
in
lifting
that
for
discussion-
probably
not!
No,
so
that's!
That's
it
for
the
items.
So
we'll
go
back
to
items
that
we
held.
We
held
only
one
item
and
that
was
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
for
2020
wackley,
road
and
2935
conroy
road
in
gloucester
southgate.
So
we
do
have
a
staff
presentation.
What
we'll
do
is
we'll
begin
with
the
staff
presentation.
A
Then
the
applicant
has
a
brief
presentation
and
then
we'll
go
to
public
delegations.
We
have
four
people
who
are
registered
to
speak.
Then
we'll
have
an
opportunity
to
ask
the
applicant
questions
and
staff
questions.
So
we'll
begin
with
the
staff
presentation.
Sarah
ezio
is
here
this
morning
from
the
city's
planning
staff
good
morning.
Sarah.
M
Good
morning,
thank
you
chair,
I'm
sarah
ezio,
I'm
the
lead
planner
on
this
file,
so
I'll
just
wait
for
the
presentation
to
be
shared.
Thank
you.
So
the
file
that's
before
us
today
is
an
application
for
a
zoning
bylaw
amendment
to
permit
a
warehouse
use
on
the
site
at
2020,
walkway
and
2935
conray
road.
M
M
So
here's
the
location
of
the
site,
which
is
at
the
on
the
southeast
corner
of
the
intersection
of
walkley
and
conroy
roads.
The
site
is
a
rectangular
shaped
parcel
with
an
area
of
5.7
hectares
and
is
currently
developed
with
two
buildings:
a
building
to
the
north
of
the
site
containing
a
city
of
ottawa,
employment
and
social
service
center
and
a
building
to
the
south
containing
office
uses.
M
Next
slide,
please,
the
lands
are
designated
as
urban
employment
lands
by
the
city's
official
plan.
The
employment,
the
urban
employment
area
is
intended
to
provide
sufficient
areas
for
economic
activity
over
the
long
term
and
provide
large
parcel
sizes
to
accommodate
user
needs
for
storage
parking
and
floor
plates.
These
designations
are
usually
in
close
proximity
to
highway
interchanges
or
arterial
roads,
corresponding
with
the
urban
truck
route
designation.
In
order
to
facilitate
the
movement
of
goods,
the
urban
employment
area
permits
traditional
industrial
uses
in
the
city
of
ottawa,
such
as
manufacturing
warehousing
distribution,
storage,
communications
and
construction.
M
Next
slide,
please
here
is
schedule
e
of
the
city's
official
plan,
which
illustrates
the
city's
urban
road
network.
The
slide
illustrates
the
city's
arterial
roads
in
red
and
collector
roads
in
green.
So
you
can
see
that
the
the
site
is
located
with
frontage
on
two
designated
arterial,
roads,
walkley
and
conroy
roads
and
one
collector
road,
st
lawrence
boulevard.
M
Artillery
roads
are
the
longest
travel
routes
in
the
city
and
are
connected
to
other
artillery
and
interchanges
in
order
to
provide
the
highest
volume
capacity,
arterial,
road
service,
the
city's
designated
urban
check
rates
and
link
employment
areas.
The
section
of
walk
lee
road
is
also
designated
by
schedule.
C.
The
primary
urban
cycling
network
as
a
spine
route,
and
this
section
of
conroy
is
designated
as
a
crosstown
bikeway
as
well.
M
Next
slide,
please,
the
site
is
zone
light
industrial
with
an
urban
exception
zone
1477,
which
is
a
site-specific
exception
zone.
The
zoning
has
an
associated
height
schedule,
permitting
heights
greater
than
those
permitted
in
the
parent
light
industrial
zone
and
the
site
is
subject
to
a
holding
symbol,
permitting
greater
gross
floria
sorry
gross
floor
area
at
such
a
time
that
the
planned
alta
vista
parkway
is
constructed.
The
existing
zoning
permits
a
range
of
a
number
of
uses
that
are
shown
on
the
screen
here,
such
as
recreational
and
athletic
facility,
research
and
development
center.
M
M
The
rezoning
application
is
accompanied
by
a
concurrent
site
plan
application
with
this
slide,
showing
this
submitted
proposed
site
plan.
The
site
plan
shows
three
warehouse
buildings
having
a
combined
total
gross
floor
area
of
24
651
square
meters.
The
future
tenants
of
the
warehouse
buildings
are
not
currently
known
at
this
time.
The
buildings
are
to
be
constructed
in
three
phases,
with
the
first
phase
being
the
southernmost
warehouse
on
the
site.
At
the
final
phase,
the
site
plan
will
include
a
total
of
291
surface
parking
spaces
for
vehicles
and
32
loading
spaces
for
trucks.
M
The
site
will
include
four
accesses
with
a
write-in
right
out,
driveway
on
walkley
road,
two
right
in
right
out,
driveways
on
conray
road
and
a
full
access
driveway
on
st
norton
boulevard,
the
transportation
impact
assessment
was
conducted
in
accordance
with
the
approved
tia
guidelines,
and
it
shows
that
the
redeveloped
site
will
would
generate
44
vehicle
trips,
including
both
car
and
truck
trips.
During
morning
peak
hour,
with
46
during
the
afternoon
peak
hour,
in
order
to
proceed
with
the
development
of
rezoning
is
required
to
additionally
permit
a
warehouse
use
on
the
site
next
slide.
Please.
M
Staff's
recommendation
is
that
planning
committee
recommends.
Council
approve
an
amendment
to
permit
a
warehouse
on
the
site.
Staff
are
recommending
that
a
maximum
cap
of
the
size
of
individual
warehouse
buildings
be
capped
at
10,
000
square
meters
of
gross
floor
area.
The
rezoning
will
not
affect
the
holdings
symbol
currently
on
place
on
the
site,
nor
the
existing
maximum
height
schedule
next
slide.
M
Please
staff's
review
of
the
rezoning
application
has
found
that
the
proposed
change
aligns
with
the
applicable
official
plan
policies
for
this
area,
including
section
2.2.3,
citywide
employment
area
policies,
2.3.1
movement
of
goods,
policies
and
3.6.5
urban
employment
area
policies.
Together,
these
policies
support
the
protection
of
land
for
traditional
employment,
uses
that
require
movement
of
goods
such
as
warehousing
at
strategic
locations
close
to
arterial
roads.
A
J
J
Firstly,
I
wanted
the
members
of
committee
to
be
aware
of
who
else
is
with
me
this
morning
to
answer
questions
for
you,
mr
stephen
nicoletti
managing
director
eastern
canada
for
manulife
investment
management,
who
are
the
owners
of
the
subject.
Property
is
supposed
to
be
on
this
morning
I
was
scanning
the
list
of
participants
and
I
unfortunately
don't
see
his
name,
but
hopefully
he
will
be
joining
us.
J
A
planner
on
my
team
from
nova
tech
is
also
with
us.
He's
been
the
lead
on
this
file.
So,
mr
chairman,
all
of
us
have
not
asked
for
five
minutes
to
speak
to
the
committee
this
morning.
I
don't
expect
my
presentation
to
be
much
longer
than
five
minutes,
but
I
would
hope
that
the
chair
would
allow
me
to
go
a
little
bit
longer
than
five
minutes.
J
I
want
to
start
by
thanking
ms
ezio
and
the
presentation
that
she's
made
to
the
committee
this
morning
in
the
report
that
she's
written
to
the
committee.
My
presentation
actually
is
going
to
sound
an
awful
lot
like
hers.
I'd
also
like
to
say
thank
lily
zoo
for
her
assistance
on
this
file
and
mike
giampa
who's
been
intimately
involved
in
the
discussions
dealing
with
any
the
traffic
concerns
associated
with
this
project.
J
As
ms
ezio
indicated
to
you,
each
of
these
buildings
is
under
9
000
square
meters
or
just
in
the
order
of
90
000
square
feet
in
terms
of
concerns.
With
respect
to
the
scale
of
this
project,
I
would
remind
committee
members
that
amazon
warehouses
tend
to
be
in
the
order
of
a
million
square
feet
so
that
each
of
these
buildings
is
one-tenth
of
the
size
of
an
amazon
warehouse.
We
are
not
talking
about
that
type
of
a
use
on
this
property
next
slide.
Please.
J
Once
again,
the
list
of
permitted
uses
under
the
zoning
today
wanted
to
particularly
highlight
that
the
existing
zoning
on
the
property
already
allows
for
light
industrial
uses
and
research
and
development
center
has
permitted
uses
on
the
property.
The
warehouse
use
in
terms
of
its
form
and
function
will
be
very
similar
to
the
uses
that
are
already
existed
under
the
current
zoning
for
the
property
next
slide.
Please.
J
This
is
the
exception
provision
for
the
zoning
bylaw
that
places
a
cap
of
60
385
square
meters
of
gross
floor
area
on
the
property.
Today
I
would
remind
the
committee
of
ms
ezio's
report
and
her
presentation,
where
the
total
square
footage
that
our
area
is
being
proposed
for
this
site
is
24
651
square
meters,
less
than
half
of
the
total
score
area
that
could
be
developed
on
this
site
as
of
right
today.
J
That's
30
years
ago,
that
report
to
planning
committee.
As
I
read
it,
was
the
result
of
an
application
brought
by
metropolitan
life,
who
were
the
owners
of
the
subject
property
at
that
time
and
they
had
a
vision
of
a
office
complex
on
their
property
that
would
function
as
a
gateway
to
the
business
park.
J
So
what
you
see
here
is
the
zoning
that
was
passed
at
the
time
and
with
respect
to
the
subject
site
that
zoning
is
still
in
place
today,
allowing
for
buildings
as
tall
as
36
meters
or
12
stories
in
the
area.
That's
highlighted
in
yellow
to
create
that
gateway
to
this
business
park.
Next
slide.
Please.
J
J
A
light
on
industrial
use
includes
the
manufacturer,
processing,
assembly
or
packaging
of
finished
parts
or
finished
products
made
from
previously
prepared
materials,
whereas
a
warehouse
allows
for
the
storage
and
distribution
of
goods
and
equipment.
Quite
frankly,
between
the
two
uses,
I
would
think
a
light.
Industrial
use
is
more
will
have
more
impact
than
a
warehouse
use
next
slide,
please.
J
J
J
Ms
ezio
put
up
a
schedule
from
the
official
plan
which
shows
the
arterial
streets
and
collector
streets
as
designated
in
the
official
plan.
We
thought
it
would
be
important
to
put
up
this
slide,
which
identifies
the
urban
truck
routes
where
full
loads
are
permitted,
highlighting
that
both
conroy
and
walkley
road
are
full
load
truck
routes.
So
this
is
a
logical
location
for
a
warehouse
development
with
direct
access
to
those
truck
routes
and
those
truck
routes
in
turn
providing
direct
access
to
highway
417
next
slide.
Please.
J
I
only
have
two
slides
left,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you
so
much
so
this
chart
highlights
the
vehicle
trip
generation
for
the
proposed
or
for
the
site
and
the
proposed
development.
I
want
to
draw
the
committee's
attention
to
the
first
line,
which
is
identified
as
the
trip
generation
for
the
existing
site.
You'll
see
that
in
the
am
peak
hour
the
total
trips
generated
by
the
existing
site
is
116
trips
and
the
pm
is
122.
J
J
We
have
had
discussions
with
staff
about
how
we
could
address
that
through
the
site
plan,
approval
process
and
what
this
slide
illustrates
in
green
at
each
of
the
entrances
to
conroy
road
and
also
at
the
channel
for
the
right
turn
lane
at
conn
ryan
walkley,
where
we
would
be
considering
installing
green
thermoplastic
markings
and
signage,
to
draw
the
attention
to
drivers
to
the
bike
lane
and
to
protect
the
cyclists
in
the
back
in
that
bicycle
lane.
Mr
chair
members
of
the
committee.
That
concludes
my
presentation.
We
strongly
support
the
report.
J
A
N
Good
morning,
thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair,
for
the
opportunity
to
speak.
I
think
the
key
thing
with
this
this
this
development
is
the
location
of
it.
It's
not
the
access
to
the
roads,
which
I
understand
it's.
The
injection
of
a
lot
of
large
vehicles
into
the
neighborhood
of
the
junction
which
is
already
bursting
at
the
seams
and
development
to
the
south
of
this
area,
continues
to
grow.
This
road
is
never
going
to
get
better.
It's
only
going
to
get
worse,
this
particular
corner
it
has
been
in
keeping
with
the
light
industrial
zoning.
N
The
current
buildings
have
been
there
for
quite
a
long
time.
We
feel
that
moving
to
warehouses
would
not
be
consistent
with
the
other
entrances
to
the
park.
We
certainly
have
buildings
office
buildings
much
more
impressive,
so
the
combination
of
the
use
of
the
corner
and
the
traffic
summarizes.
If
you
like,
the
two
reasons
why
we
don't
think
this
is
the
right
thing
to
do
now.
N
They'd
work
the
words
we
just
heard
about
painting
the
green
marking.
I
think
that
is
progress
to
be
fair,
to
ignore
it
to
to
acknowledge
that,
however,
that
lane
isn't
integrated
when
you
get
to
the
junction
of
walker
road,
the
proponent
did
actually
propose
doing
away
with
that
bike
lane
and
using
the
mup
on
the
opposite
side
of
the
road.
There
is
no
mup
along
that
side.
N
It
is
a
bike
path,
an
ad
hoc
bypass,
which
is
not
integrated
in
which
you
have
to
cross
both
conroy
and
walkley,
to
get
access
to
the
northern
parkway.
So
there's
work
to
be
done
a
lot
more
than
just
green
paint
to
make
the
path
for
the
bike
parts
safer
today
and
obviously
with
more
trucks.
There's
more
emphasis
on
that
now
there
are
two
areas
where
the
city
didn't
address.
My
comments,
one
is
the
mvp
I
just
mentioned.
N
The
other
was
the
we
saw
on
the
map
of
access
routes.
It's
clearly
a
good
route
to
come
from,
hunt
club
road
up
conroy
to
the
warehouse.
I
don't
think
that
was
addressed
in
the
tia
and
that's
a
concern
for
the
whole
of
conroy,
because
it
affects
traffic,
which
is
already
pretty
heavy
along
that
road.
N
Sorry,
since
my
review
of
the
city
report,
I
did
see
some
concerns
with
here.
I
hadn't
noticed
before
there
is
a
driveway
under
walkway
and
some
of
the
traffic
from
that
development
has
been
attributed
to
that
exit.
But
another
part
of
the
same
report
says
that
exit
isn't
big
enough
for
trucks,
because
it's
not
wide
enough.
N
So
it's
worrying
to
find
inconsistencies
in
the
report
which
weren't
picked
up
by
the
city.
The
other
piece
is
the
diagram
that
I
submitted
with
my
written
notes.
I
believe
many
of
you
have
a
copy
of
it's
from
appendix
k
of
the
tia
and
it
shows
how
a
truck
turning
right,
which
is
the
least
intrusive
maneuver
onto
conroy
road
from
the
development,
takes
up
two
lanes
and
the
bike
lane
before
it
can
go
right
onto
walter
road.
N
A
C
C
N
It's
been
talked
about
for
as
long
as
I've
lived
in
this
part
of
the
city
which
is
since
1982,
so
I
wouldn't
hold
my
breath
on
it
happening.
I
think
that
would
improve
things,
because
it
would
allow
better
continuity
through
that
junction
if
the
development
has
a
precondition
of
that
road
going
in,
then
that
might
help
with
the
traffic.
But
I
don't
think
that
in
the
future
is
contributes
anything
until
we
can
be
certain.
It's
going
to
happen.
C
N
I
live
just
off
bank
street
in
the
area
of
south
keys
greenbrier,
our
neighborhood
stretches
from
bank
street
to
conroy
and
basically
there's
two
choices
for
going
north
one
is
bank
street
and
the
other
is
conroy
okay,
so
it
limits
at
the
edge
of
our
association
stops
at
conroy.
I
know
we
have
speakers
from
hunt
club
park
they're
on
the
other
side
of
conway,
so
they
have
the
same
concerns.
E
A
A
N
I
I've
used
that
class
on
numerous
occasions
and
as
far
as
I
can
see,
it
is
a
sidewalk
where
cycling
is
tolerated.
There's
no
signs,
there's
no
line
down
the
middle
like
an
mup.
There
is
no
integration
at
the
roads
that
it
crosses
before
it
gets
to
walk
lee.
So
there's
no
warning
for
drivers,
there's
no
indications
of
any
features
of
an
mup
that
I've
ever
seen.
So
I
believe
it's
tolerated
because
it's
there
it's
not
heavily
used
by
pedestrians.
N
A
O
Cornrow
off
417,
for
example,
on
the
hunt
club
travel
down,
hunt
club,
which
is
an
extremely
heavy
route,
and
it's
a
broken
road
turn
right
onto
conroy,
go
down
conroy
and
then
other
are
the
two
right
in
so
we
have
issues
there
with
the
right
ends
across
with
the
bike.
Lenses
has
been
addressed
and,
as
martin
rightly
pointed
out,
when
the
truck
turns
in
it's
not
just
a
it's,
not
a
honda,
civic.
O
O
In
that
I
got
the
impression
that
that's
that
strategy
may
well
have
changed
since
since
his
first
comments,
so
I
I
to
me
it's
gonna
be:
I
would
make
an
assumption
that
it's
gonna,
probably
larger
warehouse
facilities,
which
they
have
the
reduced
number
of
trucks
or
vehicles,
but
again
they're
50
trucks
versus
100
cars.
It's
a
lot
more
intrusive.
So
that's
our
big
concern
is
that
it's
a
different
use
for
the
area,
because
we've
been
the
area
I've
been
here
since
92.
I
grew
up
in
alamo
acres.
O
The
area
was
always
going
to
be
a
premier
park.
Yes,
there
was
going
to
be
office,
buildings,
that's
great!
Yes!
Yes,
there
were
changes.
There
was
supposed
to
be
a
loblaws
across
the
street
by
the
so
in
that
whole
area,
but
2008
economic
meltdown
killed
that
so
yes,
there's
been
ideas,
but
the
the
park
itself
has
done
really
well
with
that
good
light.
O
Industrial
use,
production,
studios
embassies,
insurance
companies,
whatever
having
large
warehouse
facilities,
kilometers
away
from
the
major
417
route
when
there
are
warehouse
facilities
closer
to
the
417,
seems
to
me
as
a
it's,
not
a
appropriate
use.
I
think
that
it's
great,
we
do
need
the
warehouse
space.
It's
we
desperately
need
that
warehouse
space
should
be
closer
to
the
417
and
not
in
not
causing
not
causing
traffic
to
come
in
up
up,
hunt
club
and
up
conroy
and
affecting
residential
areas,
because
we
do
have
a
significant
amount
of
traffic
on
club
again.
O
Traffic
traffic
traffic,
but
hunt
club
is
a
mess.
Conroy
is
getting
to
be
a
mess
people,
our
friends
from
findlay
creek,
are
coming
in
and
there's
more
development
south
as
you
as
everybody
knows,
so,
there's
more
traffic
coming
up
because
bank
street's
a
a
broken
street.
So
that's
our
big
issue
is
warehouse
space
and
trucks
and
right
turning
lanes
off
of
conrad.
It's
just
it
just
won't
for
us.
It
doesn't
work
if
they
could
look
at
yeah
it
just
it
won't
work,
it'll,
cause
issues
and
I'll
be
quiet
from
there.
P
Good
morning,
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
thank
you
to
all
members
of
the
committee,
I'm
kathy
fisher
and
I'm
a
long-standing
resident
of
the
area
of
hunt
club
park.
I've
lived
there
for
32
years,
I'm
also
on
the
hunt
club
park
community
association,
I'm
also
the
coordinator
of
neighborhood
watch.
I've
served
on
community
safety
committees.
So
the
reason
for
my
for
my
reputation
this
morning
is
just
to
give
you
a
sense
of
what
what
I
am
experiencing
and
also
what
other
folks
in
our
community
are
experiencing,
and
council
libra.
P
P
There
was
an
accident,
a
a
a
a
significant
accident
last
weekend
and
what
you're
dealing
with
when
you
have
increased
traffic,
and
that's
happening
right
now,
when
you're
you're
getting
folks
that
are
frustrating
and
they're
they're
tr
they've
been
sitting
and
traveling,
so
they're
trying
to
to
make
those
lights,
and
some
folks
are
making
some
some
of
their
decisions.
Traffic
decisions
are,
you
know,
are
dangerous,
so
so
what
you
can
expect
from
having
a
a
you
know,
entrances
from
conroy
to
this.
P
This
new
site
is
you're,
going
to
increase
the
traffic
regardless
by
30
by
40
by
50.
You
are
increasing
traffic
and
you're
increasing
frustration,
and
so
you
are
going
to
have
more.
There
is
potential
I
should
say
for
more
accidents
and
also
exiting
your
community,
that's
our
exit
to
get
to
hospitals
and
for
many
of
us
who,
in
the
community
you
know
we
need
to
get
to
those
hospitals.
P
And
from
my
experience
this
is
very
important
to
our
family,
where
I
have
to
be
able
to
get
to
the
to
either
chio
or
to
the
general
hospital
very
quickly
and
that
that
is
hampered
at
this
particular
point.
In
time,
so
I
that's
the
perspective
that
I
wanted
to
share
with
you
this
morning
and
also
to
support
the
comments
given
that
I
am
a
member
as
well
as
the
community
association
for
the
for
hong
kong
park.
P
D
E
Thanks
and
I'll
just
pick
up
on
the
point
that
was
made
by
the
first
delegation
with
respect
to
the
difference
between
a
number
of
vehicle
trips
versus
versus
the
heavy
truck
trips.
So
I
wrote
that
down
as
well.
I
mean,
obviously,
there
are
a
lot
of
more
intensive
trip,
generator
uses
that
could
go
into
this
site
and
it's
a
relatively
low
volume
of
trips
that
you're
anticipating,
but
how
many
of
those
trips
are
going
to
be
heavy
truck
traffic.
Because
that's
the
chief
concern
that
I
have
with
approving
this
today.
J
F
You
chair
and
thank
you
to
the
delegation
and
and
we've
met
and,
and
I
appreciate
the
information
you
provided
me
this-
this
encounter
dean's
ward,
but
it
impacts
my
residence
more
than
hers,
given
the
proximity
right
across
the
street,
the
canterbury,
community
and
and
and
and
murray.
Thank
you.
You
showed
some
pictures.
F
J
F
F
Yep
they
would
okay.
So
thank
you
for
that.
So
I
I
just
wanted
to
you
know
you
very
you.
You
showed
the
picture
you
showed,
but
you
know
there
are
30
or
so
truck
bays
that
are
contemplated
for
this
and
and
sarah
they
commented
in
the
report.
A
relatively
a
relatively
small
number
of
of
truck
bays.
It's
30
truck
bays
that
that
that
will
be
that
will
be
contemplated
and
and
also
with
respect
to
the
the
traffic
study.
It's
44
additional
trucks
per
hour.
F
F
I
won't
permit
that
into
downtown
using
the
altifista
transportation
corridor,
and
so
I
I'm
simply
asking
my
colleagues
to
not
approve
this
because
of
the
bus,
rapid
transit,
the
extension
of
the
baseline
bus
rap
transit
that
is,
post
2031
to
to
go
to
to
walk
lee
to
heron
and
walkley
the
cycling
lanes
that
connect
the
community
along
along
those
routes.
We
just
need
to
consider
a
better
utilization
of
our
transportation
network,
even
when
we're
looking
at
future
needs
and
designs,
and
so
I'm.
F
I
am
not
convinced
that
I
will
be
voting
no
on
this
application
that
the
warehouse
of
this
you
nature
is
the
best
use
of
that
land
space
there.
It
is
not
permitted
and
given
the
future
strategies
in
the
area,
and
so
my
my
residents
also
have
concerns
about
the
truck
traffic,
the
vibrations,
the
noise
and
that,
and
so
with
that
chair,
I'm
asking
my
colleagues
to
not
approve
this
application,
and
I
thank
thank
you
for
the
time.
D
G
Thank
you
chair.
I
do
have
a
few
questions
for
the
proponent,
the
applicant,
and
that
is
about
the
demand
for
warehouses.
Can
you
talk
to
the
committee
about
current
and
future
demand
for
warehouses?
We
talked
about
plans
30
years
ago,
but
we
evolve
as
a
society
and
I'd
like
to
have
a
better
understanding
of
warehouse
demand
and
the
second
part
of
my
com.
My
question
is:
why
not
near
highway
interchange,
instead
of
bringing
it
into
an
urban
core?
J
So,
mr
chair
I'll
turn
that
question
over
either
to
steve,
nicoletti
or
eric
corden,
I'm
not
sure
which
one
of
them
would
like
to
respond
just
in
terms
of
the
market
demand
for
this
use
in
terms
of
location.
Certainly
they
can
comment,
but
I
may
want
to
add
something
in
response
to
that
question.
If
I
may
so,
either
steve
or
eric.
H
H
What
they've
discovered
is
that,
in
terms
of
the
the
amount
of
square
feet
of
industrial
or
warehouse
space
per
person
in
the
major
municipalities
in
in
canada,
ottawa
ranks
the
lowest
out
of
the
sort
of
the
seven
major
major
municipalities
or
major
cities.
So
toronto,
montreal
vancouver
calgary
places
like
waterloo
as
well
ottawa,
sits
at
22
square
feet
of
industrial
space
per
person.
H
The
national
average
is
close
to
100.
Montreal
sits
at
about
70
square
feet
of
industrial
space
per
person.
Toronto
124,
so
the
ottawa
ranks
the
lowest
in
terms
of
the
amount
of
industrial
space
per
person
across
the
country
in
the
major
municipalities
and
then
beyond
that,
the
stock
of
the
stock
of
the
industrial
space
in
ottawa
is
also
the
oldest
out
of
those
those
same
cities
as
well,
where,
on
average,
the
the
stock
of
industrial
space
here
is
about
1970s
vintage.
H
J
So,
if
I
may
add-
and
with
respect
to
the
question
as
to
why
here,
I
would
remind
the
committee
of
the
figure
that
we
had
in
my
presentation
showing
all
of
the
properties
that
are
already
zoned
for
a
warehouse
use
in
this
business
park
along
the
south
side
of
walkie
road.
We
aren't
introducing
a
new
use
into
a
neighborhood
that,
where
the
use
isn't
already
permitted-
and
secondly,
if
you
were
to
go
back
and
look
at
the
truck
route
figure,
that
was
part
of
my
presentation.
J
G
Okay,
thank
you
for
that.
My
other
question
is
regarding
the
estimates
for
for
truck
traffic.
Can
your
traffic
specialist
elaborate
on
her
estimates?
How
are
they
derived?
How
do
we
know
that
they
are
going
to
be
accurate
when
you
don't
know
who
exactly
is
moving
into
the
center?
So
can
I
have
some
information
on
on
that.
L
Please
so
our
estimates
are
based
on
industry
standard
rates,
so
ite
produces
manuals
for
all
different
kinds
of
uses
that
we
use
regularly
in
our
tias
to
estimate
traffic,
particularly
when
a
specific
user
isn't
known
when
you
do
know
a
specific
user,
it's
possible
to
to
estimate
from
first
principles,
but
that's
not
the
case
here.
So
we
did
use
our
industry
standard
rates
to
estimate
both
the
total
traffic,
including
you
know,
cars.
Everything
as
well
as
the
truck
terms.
G
G
I
guess,
as
demand
in
ottawa
continues
to
evolve
and
then
the
demand
continues
to
go
up.
I'm
just
worried
that
I've
seen
in
the
past
with
other
developments,
estimates
that
were
x
and
then
in
reality
that
were
much
higher,
and
so
the
fears
that
are
being
expressed
by
the
local
councillors
and
community
leaders,
particularly
about
traffic,
will
only
be
further
worsened.
L
I
do
and-
and
I
understand
the
fear
of
warehousing
and
what
kind
of
warehousing
will
there
be
distribution?
Will
there
be
logistics?
Will
there
be
sortation?
What
kind
based
on
the
layout
of
this
site
is
three
buildings
with
truckwords
and
parking
along
the
side,
so
the
layout
itself
precludes
a
big
user
from
coming
in
and
operating
the
site.
You
know
as
one
large
building
and
and
having
trucks
come
and
go
that
way
shift
work.
That
kind
of
thing
so.
Q
Good
morning,
thank
you.
We
just
went
through
some
a
similar
exercise
in
my
ward
and
in
terms
of
rezoning
for
a
warehouse,
a
large
warehouse
and
we're
starting
to
get
questions
now
from
staff.
Regarding
exactly
when
the
transportation
impact
study
was
conducted,
and
I
see
anyone
who
knows
this
area,
conroy
walkley
hunt
club
knows
this
is
a
very,
very
busy
area.
Q
So
I'm
going
to
ask,
I
want
specifically
to
ask
exactly
when
the
traffic
impact
study
was
done.
Was
it
pre-pandemic
when
traffic
was
a
heck
of
a
lot
worse
than
it
is
right?
Now
I
mean,
I
think,
it's
worse,
it's
bad
now,
but
it's
going
to
be
even
worse.
Was
the
traffic
impact
study
done
pre-pandemic
or
during
the
pandemic.
L
Q
But
you
say:
you're
you're,
making
assumptions
and
you're
estimating.
Yes,
has
anyone
gone
out
there
and
sat
and
watched
I'm
kind
of
hands
on
person?
You
got
to
go
and
look
at
the
situation,
something
that
you
see
on
a
computer
is
totally
different
than
what
the
residents
are
enduring
in
a
neighborhood.
Q
L
Clarify
the
number
of
trucks
councillor
leeper
had
asked
us
specifically
that
question
and
it
was
answered
the
total
traffic,
including
cars
and
everything
is
45
per
hour.
The
amount
of
trucks
is
less
than
10.,
so
5
to
8
is
what
you
know.
Our
book
rates
give
us
based
on
square
footage,
but
less
than
10.
Q
L
Q
L
Right
so
yes
to
your
original
point,
the
traffic
study
is
based
on
pre-pandemic
numbers,
because
it's
worst
case,
if
we
wanted
to
go
and
collect,
counts
right
now,
it
wouldn't
be
as
bad
as
it
was
pre-pandemic.
Nobody
knows
post
pandemic
what
it
will
be
yet,
but
we
have
taken
worst
case
and
we've
looked
at
the
intersection
operations
based
on
pre
pandemic
when
you
know
to
us
that
that's
when
it
was
the
worst
right.
So
yes,
we've
we've
looked
at
that
and
that's
that's
included
in
the
traffic
study.
Q
L
Q
Well,
you're
estimating,
as
someone
who
lives
in
these
neighborhoods
and
travels
these
neighborhoods,
I
can't
imagine
this
being
any
better
but
I'll
I'll
leave
you
with
that
and
all
the
roads
around
walking,
conroy
hunt
club
the
traffic
impact
studies
were
all
done.
Pre-Pandemic,
yes,
okay.
I
think
that's
something
for
counselors
to
consider.
Thank
you
very
much.
C
C
H
Yeah
happy
to
speak
to
that,
so
just
to
to
be
clear.
As
of
today,
we
don't
have
a
an
end
user
for
the
site.
We
certainly
have
an
idea
of
the
types
of
groups
that
you
know.
We
think
that
this
would
appeal
to,
but
but
we
don't
have
an
end
user
that
we're
in
discussions
with
or
that
we're
even
that
we've
concluded
anything
with
or
anything
of
that
nature.
So
the
intention
here
is
really
to
appeal
to
the
broadest
range
of
of
users
possible.
H
So
warehouse
use
would
just
be
one
of
a
number
of
uses
that
we'd
look
to
have.
You
know
permitted
for
the
site
and
in
terms
of
the
types
of
uses
or
groups
that
we
would
have
in
mind.
You
can
picture
a
tiling
company,
as
ms
long
mentioned
earlier,
they
may
have
a
small
showroom
at
the
front
and
a
warehouse
used
at
the
back.
H
D
R
D
A
B
Thank
you
lily,
mr
chair.
We've,
we've
reviewed
the
the
trip
generation
estimates
and
yes,
they
are
estimates
because
they
are
proposed
and
we
we
typically
do
that
for
every
every
tia
that
triggers
that
triggers
the
the
trip
generation
warrant
and
we
have
no
issues.
They
are
based
on
institute
of
transportation,
engineer
methodology
and
we
we
have
reviewed
them
and
we
have
no
concerns
with
the
44
or
45
vehicles
per
hour.
G
Thank
you
going
back
to
a
question
I
I
raised
or
a
thought
I
raised
during
my
question
and
answer
with
the
applicant,
and
that
is
sorry,
the
appropriate
location
for
warehouses
in
urban
settings
as
opposed
to
hugging
highway
interchanges,
a
discussion
we
recently
had
with
the
gloucester
south
european
application.
So
I'd
like
to
hear
from
planning
staff.
M
Thank
you
chair,
so
the
official
plan
policies
have
provided,
provide
a
very
clear
direction
on
where
employment
area
should
be
supported
and
it's
locations
close
to
major
goods,
movement
facilities
and
corridors.
So
those
locations
that
do
not
have
access
to
major
goods,
movement
facilities
and
corridors
would
not
permit
employment
uses.
This
site
has
direct
access
to
wackley,
which
is
an
arterial
providing
direct
access
to
the
417..
M
G
M
M
N
K
K
K
C
Thank
you
very
much
chair.
I
question
for
staff
around
future
transportation
routes
here.
If
the
alta
vista
transportation
corridor
is
built
and
that's
a
big
if
just
given,
where
conversations
are,
would
it
in
its
present
configuration
allow
for
heavy
truck
traffic
that
in
that
north-south
corridor.
M
I
Actually
chair,
I
can
take
that
question.
It's
vvt
here,
so
the
alta
vista
transportation
corridor.
When
we
did
the
environmental
assessment
for
it,
it
was
intended
to
be
like
a
parkway,
so
it
was
not
intended
to
have
heavy
traffic
on
it.
There
would
be
cycling,
there'd,
be
you
know,
other
active
transportation
facilities
on
it.
It
would
be
landscaped
along
that
corridor.
So
that
was
the
plan
in
the
ea.
I
C
Thank
you,
misty,
that's
very
helpful
and
in
line
with
my
understanding
as
well,
I
I
guess
in
relation
to
the
application,
it
was
mentioned
in
our
staff
presentation
that
that's
a
potential
for
the
future
and
it
could
assist
in
terms
of
some
of
the
warehouse
use
here
and
that's
where
the
overlapping
concern
comes
in.
I
don't
see
heavy
truck
traffic
ever
going
there.
C
As
the
council
puche
has
also
said,
I'm
doubting
that
there'll
be
traffic
at
all
in
terms
of
that
that
corridor
in
the
future
and
the
reliance
on
it
for
an
application
of
this
sort,
probably
premature,
is
there
any
holding
conditions
that
are
that
are
discussed
as
part
of
this
in
terms
of
other
build
outs
or
rapid
transit,
or
anything
like
that.
That's
been
put
in
place
here.
M
C
M
A
A
A
Some
degree
of
storage
must
be
allowed
for
manufacturing,
but
storage,
isn't
the
primary
use
in
manufacturing
and
clearly
manufacturing
and
processing
and
assembly
would
have
distribution,
but
that's
not
necessarily
the
primary
use
for
the
other
uses
say
a
printing
facility
which
is
specifically
allowed
on
this
land.
Would
there
be
any
any
limit
to
the
number
of
truck
bays
allowed
in
a
building
like
this.
K
A
Okay
and
then
we've
heard
earlier
the
peak
hour,
the
highest
peak
hour
truck
trips,
would
be
fewer
than
10
additional
truck
trips.
So
there
is
a
some
impact
by
changing
the
allowable
use
and
that's
in
likely
the
distribution
part
of
the
warehouse,
but
it's
fewer
than
10
truck
trips
in
the
highest
peak
hour.
A
Okay,
so
I
think
that's
important
whenever
we
are
considering
a
change
of
use.
What
is
the
impact
from
that
change
of
use?
I
wanted
to
ask
also
about
the
10
000
square
meter
cap
that
you've
come
up
with
that's
higher
than
each
of
the
three
buildings
that
they're
proposing.
Did
you
consider
it
all
having
a
cap,
that's
closer
to
what
they're,
proposing
so
lower
than
10
000
to
to
better
shrink
wrap?
What
they've
proposed
for
the
site
plan.
M
Yes,
that
that
was
considered
and
discussed
with
the
applicant
and
ultimately
it
was
decided
to
do
the
the
to
impose
the
10
000
square
meter
gfa
cap
in
order
to
provide
a
little
bit
of
flexibility,
recognizing
that
we're
currently
at
the
rezoning
stage
and
the
details
of
the
the
site
plan
will
be
ironed
out
later.
Once
we've
final
once
the
the
design
has
been
finalized.
A
M
A
There
is
that
odd
jog
that
people
using
the
the
pathway
on
the
west
side
have
to
make
to
connect
up
to
the
other
side
of
of
walk
lee
road.
Are
there
any
plans?
Has
this
been
evaluated,
for?
I
think
this
would
be
a
great
location,
for
example,
for
a
protected
intersection.
But
what
are
the
current
near-term
plans
for
any
improvements
for
pedestrians,
cycling
safely,
safety
at
wakley
and.
K
A
chair
respond
quickly
and
ask
mr
jampa
to
add
to
it.
So
staff
did
explore
the
opportunities
to
improve
that
cycle
tracker
crossing
at
inter
intersection,
the
our
colleagues
from
you
know,
local
improvement
teams
do
not
recommend
it
to
be
a
priority,
and
not
ask
mike
to
add
to
the
reasons.
That's
why
thank
you.
B
Mr
chair,
yes,
everything
lilly
said
is
correct.
It
is
not.
It
is
not
in
the
immediate
plans
of
our
our
transportation
planning
group
to
do
any
work
at
that
intersection.
It
would
require
a
complete
reconstruction
of
the
intersection
to
make
it
protected
bike
signals
bike
detectors,
possibly
removing
the
right
turn
channels,
there's
some
significant
work
that
would
be
required
there
and
unfortunately,
it's
not
a
very
high
priority.
So.
A
Okay,
yeah,
perhaps
it
perhaps
it
should
be
given
the
without
this
development.
Clearly,
there's
improvements
needed
there,
okay,
counselor
deans.
Did
you
have
questions
or
is
your
hand
up
for
a
wrap-up
for
wrap-up?
I
want
to
make
sure
we
give
counselor
deans
the
the
last
wrap-up
is
any
other
questions
for
staff
or
counselors
who
wish
to
wrap
counselor
clutches
on
wrap-up.
F
Yes,
thank
you,
chair
and,
and
I
guess
at
the
beginning,
not
knowing
how
you
wanted
to
to
manage
the
meeting.
I
I
had
my
counselors
to
the
my
questions
to
the
proponent,
to
staff
and
and
my
wrap
up
all
went
in
one,
so
I
apologize
for
for
not
following
along
just
again.
I
want
to
reiterate
to
my
colleagues
that
I
support
counselor
deans
and
her
concerns
about
this.
About
this.
R
Thank
you,
mr
chair
and
good
morning,
colleagues,
and
thank
you
for
your
consideration
of
this
application.
I
am
here
this
morning
to
ask
you
to
vote
no
to
the
rezoning
application
for
2020
wackley,
road
and
2935
conroy
road
to
permit
warehouses
on
the
prime
corner
in
ottawa's
premier
prestige
business
park.
Let
me
take
you
back.
30
years,
when
the
city
of
ottawa,
the
pre-amalgamated
city
of
ottawa,
was
developing
this
park.
R
These
lands
were
not
owned
by
the
city
of
ottawa,
but
the
city
negot,
the
city
started
a
rezoning
application
to
remove
warehousing
use
from
this
property
for
the
purpose
of
recognizing
that
this
was
a
prime
focal
point
to
their
prestige
business
park.
This
was
the
prime
corner
in
the
park.
The
entrance
way
to
this
facility
that
the
city
was
developing
and
this
this
facility
has
been
developed
over
30
years
as
a
prime
park.
It
has
all
kinds
of
embassies
of
the
canadian
medical
association
headquarters.
Is
there
witchcraft
homes
headquarters?
Is
there
muskoka
kitchen's
headquarters?
R
R
R
R
R
And
I
think,
as
we
move
to
our
new
official
plan,
we
really
have
to
start
thinking
about
what,
where
we
expect
these
uses
to
go,
because
after
this
pandemic,
we
have
seen
that
people's
habits
have
changed
and
the
market
has
changed
with
it.
And
yes,
this
is
an
opportunity
for
this
group
who
own
this
prime
piece
of
real
estate
in
that
park
to
make
a
quick
buck,
but
it
doesn't
work.
You
will
have
heard
we.
I
held
a
public
meeting
back
in
may
45
people
attended
of
the
attendance
in
that
meeting.
R
All
45
were
opposed
to
this
application.
I
have
received
20
emails
in
my
office.
All
20
are
opposed.
You,
as
members
of
planning
committee,
have
received
31
written
submissions
from
the
community.
All
31
are
opposed.
There
is
not
anybody
that
thinks
this
makes
sense
at
this
location,
and
you
heard
from
the
presidents
of
the
community
associations
today
and
from
residents
who
told
you
that,
from
a
commuter
perspective,
from
a
cyclist
perspective
from
a
pedestrian
perspective
that
these
conflicts
at
that
corner
do
not
make
sense,
they
don't
belong
there.
R
R
It's
not
as
if
there's
no
place
for
this
use.
There
are
absolutely
places
in
my
ward
that
I
would
be
happy
to
entertain
these
uses,
but
this
location
is
not
one
of
them
and
it's.
This
is,
in
my
estimation,
just
poor
planning,
so
on
this
town
planning
day
or
world
urbanism
day,
let's
do
the
right
thing
for
this
community.
Let's
do
the
right
thing
for
this
city:
let's
recognize
the
vision
that
we've
had
for
that
park
and
uphold
it
going
forward.
Thank
you.