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From YouTube: Planning Committee - May 13, 2021
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Planning Committee - May 13, 2021 - live stream
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A
Okay,
so
it
is
9
30.,
so
we'll
get
going.
This
is
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
proposed
comprehensive
official
plan
and
zoning
bylaw
amendments
listed
as
items
one
to
five
on
today's
agenda.
For
the
items
just
mentioned,
only
those
who
make
oral
submissions
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendments
are
adopted
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
local
planning
appeal
tribunal.
A
In
addition,
the
applicant
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
local
planning
appeal
tribunal.
If
council
does
not
adopt
an
amendment
within
90
days
of
receipt
of
the
application
for
zoning
and
120
days
for
an
official
plan
amendment
to
submit
written
comments
on
these
amendments
prior
to
their
consideration
by
city
council
on
may
the
26th,
please
email
or
call
the
committee
or
council
coordinator,
who
is
the
lovely,
melody
destiny,
and
if
anybody
has
any
emotions
that
we
have
not
seen
yet
that
you'll
be
bringing
forward
today,
please
do
so
as
quickly
as
possible.
A
As
you
know,
it's
always
helpful
if
we
can
see
these
ourselves
in
advance
and
certainly
the
any
of
the
applicants,
the
delegations
that
may
be
joining
us
today
as
well.
We're
going
to
do
a
quick
quorum
call
just
to
get
that
out
of
the
way
so
councillor
brockington.
A
B
A
A
So
any
declarations
of
interest,
I
see
none
confirmation
of
minutes
from
the
april
22nd
meeting
and
the
special
joint
meeting
of
the
planning
committee
and
community
protective
services
committee
meeting,
which
was
also
on
april
22nd.
Anyone
have
any
changes
to
me.
C
A
You,
okay,
we're
going
to
go
through
the
consent
agenda
and
see
what
we
can
clear
away:
the
first
one.
We
won't
be
clearing
away
because
it's
we
have
speakers
speaking
in
opposition
and
support,
and
this
is
the
zoning
by-law
amendment
for
5000
robert
grant
avenue,
formerly
1000
robert
grant
avenue.
So
we're
holding.
That
item
item
number
two.
A
A
C
Okay,
I'll
read
it
out
now,
whereas
the
report
recommends
a
zoning
amendment
to
bylaw
2008-250
to
permit
low-rise,
back-to-back
and
stacked
town
hoses
at
6429,
renault
road
and
whereas
the
applicant
has
alerted
staff
to
an
omission
and
the
details
of
recommended
zoning
document
2
in
relation
to
the
permitted
location
for
air
conditioners,
therefore
be
it
resolve.
The
document
2
item
2b
be
amended
such
that
0.2
of
the
third
bullet
should
now
read.
Two
air
conditioner
condenser
may
be
located
in
a
front
yard
or
corner
side
yard.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
So
does
anyone
have
any
questions
that
on
this
item
or
on
the
technical
amendment?
A
A
You
who
did
have
their
hands
up
councilman
and
I'm
just
putting
my
hand
up,
jan,
because
I
I'd
like
to
just.
D
Have
say
something
about
item
number
six,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
I'm
just.
A
Okay,
well,
I'm
going
to
ask
you
julie
so,
but
I
was
asking
the
committee
members.
Anybody
on
the
committee
or
council
have
any
questions
on
this
on
on
the
6429
renault.
A
D
I
just
want
to
take
about
15
seconds
to
to
state
that
our
firm
has
been
working
on
this
file
since
2012
for
nine
years,
and
we
have
come
to
a
a
conclusion
here
with
the
the
good
input
and
work
by
the
ward
council
of
the
community
association
and
we're
we're
thrilled
with
the
staff
support,
and
we
trust
that
the
council
will
support
this
planning
committee
and
and
council
as
well.
So
we'll
just
wait.
If
there's
any
questions
thanks
very
much.
A
E
A
A
F
Yeah
rod.
A
No,
so
is
this
item?
Thank
you.
So
is
this
item
carrie
terry.
Thank
you.
Thanks
rod,
okay,
the
zoning
by-law
amendment
for
one
dunbar
court.
This
is
in
councillor,
egleye's
award
and
I
know-
and
he
just
wants
to
say
a
few
words
but
not
yet
keith.
I
just
want
to
ask
everybody:
does
anyone
have
any
questions
on
this
on
this
application
from
nepean
housing,
no
and
jane
you're
with
us?
Do
you
need
to
speak
if
we're
prepared
to
carry
this
item?
A
No,
you
you
don't.
I
can
see
a
shake
in
your
head.
Okay,
back
to
you,
counselor
egg
lie
and
then
we'll
want
to
take
a
quick
vote.
I
Thanks
chair
just
very
very
quickly,
I
just
want
a
few
quick
words
of
thanks
to
planning
staff,
to
donna
grace
shop,
to
yourself,
chair
for
being
very
supportive
of
this,
this
project
and
and
a
big
thank
you
to
nepean
housing,
because
this
is
a
really
really
smart
use
of
existing
land
they're
using
land
that
they
already
own,
that
they
previously
developed,
they're,
developing
it
better.
They
create
more
units,
nicer
units,
a
community
building.
A
Thanks
very
much
for
calling
so
on
the
nepean
housing
application
zoning
by
law,
amendment
one
done
barcode
is
it
carried,
carry.
A
Thanks
everyone,
so
item
number
six
we
do
have.
A
This
is
the
one
where
oh,
no,
we
we
have
late
breaking
news
on
this
one
at
about
9
23
staff
came
forward
with
a
well
an
amendment
that
we
needed
for
it,
and
I
know
that
pierre
dufresne
is
here,
and
I
recognize
like
counselor
man,
that
you
want
to
speak
to
this
one.
So
I'm.
D
Just
I'm
just
I'm
curious
about
what
this
late-breaking
development
your
office.
G
A
I
I
did
check
to
make
sure
so
you
just
it's
not
it's
that
soon,
that
you
just
probably
missed
it
the
solution
in
the
10
minutes.
I
hesitate
to
hold
this
because
it
could
be
quite
a
while
before
we
get
back
to
you.
Do
you
all.
Can
we
present
the
the
motion
here
and
you
see
pierre
there
so
in
a
nutshell,
miss
ned?
And
why
don't
you
just
say
what
what
this
is?
What
this
is
doing.
D
Leanne,
yes,
madame
chair,
thanks
very
much,
I'm
just
trying
to
find
my
scream
just
one
sec
here.
D
So,
madam
chair
members
of
committee,
what
we're
doing
here
is
accelerating
the
payment
for
the
applicants
in
this
particular
case
that
the
work
has
already
been
completed
and
we
have
the
money
within
the
budget
that
finance
has
been
able
to
confirm.
So
the
applicant
has
asked
if
we
would
be
willing
to
accelerate
that
payment,
and
so
this
is
what
this
motion
and
this
report
is
asking
to
do.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
A
Am
I
the
only
one
that's
having
a
hard
time
hearing
miss
nathan.
D
A
A
Don't
know
what
so
this
is
what
we're
gonna
do.
I'm
gonna
hold
the
item.
If
somebody
could
speak
to
counselor
man
off,
maybe
obviously
off
of
the
hollywood
squares
here.
D
Yeah-
but
I
I
need
to
because
I
don't
have
anything
in
front
of
me,
that
that
indicates
anything
happening
overnight
or
this
morning,
so
we're
paying
the
litrim
landowners
group
back
money
that,
because
we
already
we
have
money
to
pay
them
back
for
the
front.
Loading
of
that
intersection
design
change
is
that
it.
D
D
Yes,
this
is
a
front-ending
agreement
that
is
to
to
pay
the
the
applicants
back
for
the
road
works,
the
widening
and
the
intersection,
and
so
they've
designed
that
intersection.
So
this
is
to
reimburse
and.
A
And
leanne:
okay,
okay,
councilman,
I'm
I'm
I'm
going
to
move
on
and
we're
going
to
hold
that
item
and
if
you
okay,
speak
to
miss
sneddon
or
whomever
she
does.
A
Okay,
all
right
moving,
but
the
next
one
is
reimbursement
of
the
intersection
of
bank
street
and
blay
road
mcconnell
road,
and
mr
dufresne
is
here
for
that
one
as
well.
A
This
is
also
in
your
award,
counselor
man
and
and
also
in
councillor
jerusale's
work.
So
do
you
have
any
issue
with
this
one
councilman
number,
seven,
no
okay,
and
I
don't
think
anyone
else
has
any
questions
on
it.
A
No,
so,
mr
dufresne,
here,
if
we're
prepared
to
carry
this
item,
do
you
still
need
to
speak
to
it?
Okay,
so,
on
this
reimbursement
of
the
intersection
at
bank
street
and
blay
road
mckenna
wrote.
Is
that
carrie,
terry
okay,
number
eight
is
the
heritage
permits
issued
through
delegated
authority
2020.
A
Is
that
no
no
questions
received
received?
Thank
you.
The
next
item
is
being
held.
It
has
the
site
plan
control
standard
for
range
road,
and
this
is
in
council
flurries
ford,
and
we
have
speakers
for
and
again
so
we'll
hang
on
to
that
one,
and
then
we
have
two
ipds
one
on
cash
and
little
parkland
and
one
which
is
an
update
on
the
residential
mural
one
year
pilot
program.
A
Does
anyone
need
to
lift
this
okay?
I'm
going
to
allow
councillor
lieber
just
to
say
a
few
words
on
the
residential
mural
one
year
pilot
program
for
the
record.
J
Just
to
thank
staff
for
the
work
that
they've
done
on
that.
Obviously
everyone
on
city
council
wants
to
see
murals
more
enabled.
There
is
some
work
to
still
be
done,
and
you
heard
the
mayor
chat
about
it
at
the
one
of
our
recent
meetings
on
commercial,
murals
and
commercial
zones,
and
I
know
that
staff
will
begin
to
work
on
that
as
as
soon
as
they
have
the
capacity
to
so
it
might
be
a
while,
but
that's
definitely
the
direction
in
which
we're
heading.
A
Good
thanks
very
much
for
that.
Okay,
everyone
we'll
go
back
to
the
beginning,
and
the
first
item
is
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
for
five
thousand
robert
grant
avenue,
formerly
1000
robert
grant
avenue
and
vice
chair
gower,
has
a
motion
he'd
like
to
introduce
before
we
go
to
the
delegate
delegates
mr
gower.
C
Yeah,
thank
you
chair.
So
this
is
a
motion
to
amend
the
holding
condition
and
the
report
is
as
it's
written.
It's
well
I'll
read
out
the
whereas
and
the
therefore
be
it
resolve.
C
Therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
the
holding
provision
recommended
by
staff
in
document
2,
details
of
recommended
zoning
3d3a
be
revised
to
the
following.
The
holding
symbol
may
only
be
removed
at
such
time
as
the
segment
of
robert
grant
avenue
between
abbott
street
and
maple
grove
road
has
been
constructed
and
open
to
vehicular
traffic
and
be
it
further
resolved
that
no
further
notice
be
provided
pursuant
to
subsection
3417
of
the
planning
act.
I
will
explain
what
this
means
later
on
in
my
wrap-up
chair.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much,
mr
gower.
So
we'll
go
to
the
delegates
and
our
and
I
want
to
thank
everyone
who
submitted
their
comments.
We
received
a
lot
of
correspondence
from
you,
so
thank
you
very
much.
The
first
one
up
is
neil
mcclellan.
Neil,
are
you
here?
No
chair
he's.
A
Everyone
can
I
just
before
you
start.
I
just
will
tell
everyone
today
that
will
be
speaking,
that
the
rule
is
five
minutes,
that
the
delegates
get
and
and
the
applicants
for
that
matter
go
ahead
and
you're.
Sorry
to
disturb
you.
A
B
You
well
we're
here
today
to
speak
as
as
residents
in
the
blackstone
development
of
which
this
proposed
development
will
impact,
and
while
we
oppose
the
entire
development
just
due
to
the
it
being
incongruent
with
our
neighborhood
and
what
the
residents
need
of
the
neighborhood
we're
here
really
to
speak
about
the
traffic
impact
that
this
development
will
have,
as
well
as
the
safety
of
families
living
around
blackstone
park.
B
So
we've
already
seen
as
as
residents
of
tapadera
avenue,
we've
seen
firsthand
the
impact
that
the
low-rise
rental
apartments
that
have
been
built
along
liberty
street
have
had
on
traffic
within
the
neighborhood,
because
there's
no
through
road
from
round
c.
All
right,
sorry
from
livery
to
robert
grant
traffic
was
funneled
through
tapadero
through
bubble
link
and
through
westphalian
to
terry
fox.
B
So
this
proposed
development
we'll
add
another
700
cars
down
our
streets.
There's
700
parking
spots,
which
I
think
is,
is
just
a
little
bit
it's
a
little
high.
Considering
that
we're
going
to
be
raining,
it's
going
to
be
built
next
to
a
transit
corridor,
a
proposed
transit
corridor
and
we've
already
seen
that
approximately
there's
been
about
a
thousand
vehicle
trips
added.
B
Just
due
to
the
200
extra
residents
down
livery
street,
this
will
add
about
two
to
three
thousand
more
vehicle
trips
down
our
street
and
my
wife
and
I
have
seen
many
times
very
close
calls
with
children
at
blackstone
park.
People
driving
down
cabadero
do
not
respect
the
the
speed
limits
whatsoever.
B
They
don't
respect
the
small
signs.
They
don't
respect
anything
in,
unfortunately,
around
the
the
park
and
adding
an
additional
two
to
three
thousand
car
trips
down
tapadero
every
single
day
seems
incongruent
with
the
safety
of
the
neighborhood
and
furthermore,
we
don't
understand
why
this
needs
to
be
18
stories
tall.
We
also
own
a
condo
in
a
residential
building
downtown
that
isn't
that
high.
B
So
it
seems
quite
inconsistent
that
we
would
build
something
this
tall
in
an
area
that
is
not
designed
for
it
and
we
still
have
developable
land
within
the
green
belt
to
build
these
apartments.
So
I
think
overall
we
we
do
oppose
this
and
and
we'd
like
it
noted
that
we
don't
think
this
is
going
to
be
safe.
A
Thanks
very
much
counselor
vice
chair
gower
has
a
question
for
you.
Glenn.
C
Thank
you
chair,
thank
you,
jennifer
and
andrew
for
presenting
today.
I
wanted
to
ask
you:
how
long
did
you
say
you
lived
in
the
neighborhood
for
five
years
five
years
and
and
were
you
first-time
homeowners
you
bought
from
the
builder?
C
Were
you
aware
that
the
site
that
this
is
on
were
you
given
any
indication
about
the
zoning
that
existed
the
nine-story
zoning
that
already
existed
on
the
site
when
you,
when
you
purchased
or
no
okay,
because
that
is
a
problem,
because
this
is
some
feedback.
We've
heard
from
a
lot
of
people
that
people
buying
homes
were
told
that
this
whole
area
along
robert
grant
would
be?
Actually,
you
know,
low-rise
commercial,
so
I
can
understand
a
lot
of
surprise
from
the
community
that
the
the
land
is
actually
zoned
for
for
taller
buildings.
C
I
just
wanted
to
mention.
I'm
gonna
ask
the
applicant.
We
have
miguel
trombley
from
foten
later
on
in
this
meeting,
to
address
some
of
those
traffic
impacts,
because
it
is
a
concern
about
how
do
we?
How
do
we
make
sure,
as
much
of
the
as
many
of
the
vehicles
as
possible
are
being
sent
towards
the
robert
grant
side
of
the
property,
as
opposed
to
the
livery
side?
C
That's
something
that
we
are
going
to
address
through
the
site
plan
process,
but
I
will
ask
later
on
that
mr
tremblay
speak
a
little
bit
to
to
how
that's
going
to
be
accomplished,
because
I
agree.
We
want
to
see
people
using
the
arterial
road
coming
in
and
out
of
this
project
as
much
as
possible
and
then
they'd
go
down
robert
grant
or
they'd
take
abbott
street
because
it
really
doesn't
make
sense
for
vehicles
to
go
twisting
and
turning
through
livery
and
tapadero
and
and
so
on.
C
So
we
will
chat
about
that
later
on
with
with
mr
tremblay,
but
thank
you
for
your
presentation
today.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
I
don't
see
anyone
else
with
questions.
Thank
you
for
joining
us
today.
I
have
just
our
committee
coordinator,
ms
duff,
and
he
says
that
mr
mcclellan
can't
seem
to
rejoin
the
webinar.
We
just.
A
K
K
Thank
you
thank
you
for
giving
the
opportunity
to
address
this
committee.
I
know
I
only
have
five
minutes
to
speak,
so
I
chose
to
submit
my
opinions,
along
with
supporting
references
as
to
why
this
project
should
not
be
approved
in
its
current
form
to
the
committee
last
monday.
I
will
ask
two
additional
questions
shortly
and
hope
that
the
committee
can
address
them.
When
I
finish
speaking
for
those
of
you
watching
on
youtube,
I
contend
that
five
thousand
robert
grant
does
not
meet
any
of
the
three
criteria
required
to
amend
the
current
bylaw.
K
There
isn't
a
budding
major
urban
facility
nor
of
main
street
a
budding
another
main
street
on
a
transit
priority
corridor
and
it's
unknown
if
a
rapid
transit
station
would
be
located
within
400
meters
or
5
000
robert
grant,
because
the
exact
location
of
the
station
is
unknown
using
an
estimated
location
on
google
maps.
I
question
that
the
station,
in
fact,
is
within
that
400
meter
perimeter.
K
K
Mr
gower,
however,
was
kind
enough
to
send
me
a
map
monday
night,
but
to
think
that
lepen
could
have
their
application
approved
based
on
a
conceptual
map
alone
is
not
very
comforting,
particularly
in
light
of
how
much
public
opposition
there
is
to
the
project.
As
indicated
by
the
petitions
that
were
submitted
to
the
city.
K
K
My
last
concern
is
regarding
the
construction
of
a
massive
building
within
50
meters
of
a
500
000
volt
transmission
line.
Two
years
ago,
hydro,
one
cleared
all
the
natural
brush
under
their
low
voltage
lines
in
kanada
near
stonehaven.
The
primary
reason
for
doing
this
was
to
reduce
the
possibility
of
arcing
between
the
transmission
lines
and
the
brush.
K
D
K
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
thanks
for
trying
so
hard
to
join
us
today.
The
questions
you
raised
will
answer
those
the
way
that
this
works
is.
A
We
have
the
delegates
speaking
first
and
then
after
that
happens,
any
members
of
council,
including
committee
members,
but
all
members
of
council
can
ask
questions
of
staff,
and
so
I'm
sure
you're
going
to
try
to
stay
stay
on
the
line
and,
and
hopefully
your
questions
will
get
answered
and
we
have
you
you're,
welcome
and
vice
chair
gower
is
has
a
question
for
you
right
now,
though,
vice
chris
gower.
C
Sure
thank
you
chair
and
thank
you,
neil
for
your
delegation
today,
and
I
also
appreciate
the
opportunity
that
we
had
last
week
to
speak
on
the
phone
about
some
of
the
issues
you've
raised
and
thanks
as
well
for
the
detailed
comments
you
sent
to
committee.
What
I
wanted
to
ask
you
is,
if
you
could
describe
the
committee
a
little
bit
about
what
robert
grant
avenue
looks
like
now
and
why
it
is
such
a
transportation
issue
for
people
in
your
community.
K
Well,
I
guess
the
whole
part
of
robert
grant
so
far
is
one
lane
in
each
direction,
so
anyone
exiting
5
000
robert
5000
robert
grant
onto
robert
grant
will
have
to
make
a
right-hand
turn
go
northbound
regardless
if
the
person
wants
to
continue
north
to
haveldy
or
go
down
to
fernbank
and,
conversely,
if
somebody
wants
to
come
back
to
the
residence
on
5000
robert
grant,
they
will
have
to
if
they're
north
they
they'll
have
to
come
down
to
bobbling
and
use
the
roundabout
there.
K
K
There's
no
merge
lane
onto
robert
grant
and
there's
no
exit
lane
to
be
able
to
for
people
to
pull
off
to
the
right-hand
side
before
entering
into
the
5000
robber
grant.
This
is
like
every
other,
every
other
lupine
facility
that
I've
seen
are
on
major
roads
in
when
I
say
major
by
the
city's
description
about
main
street.
This
is.
There
are
four
lanes
two
lanes
in
each
direction.
We
don't
have
that
on
robert
grant.
C
K
I
believe
each
each
of
the
other
facilities
that
I've
seen
also
have
traffic
lights
at
those
locations.
You
don't.
C
And
I
know
you
have,
you
have
been
out
at
a
few
of
the
other
philippine
sites
in
ottawa
to
just
have
a
look
at
the
environment
and
the
conditions
there,
which
is
helpful.
K
I
want
everyone
that
I
could
just
to
make
sure
that
I
understood
what
would
probably
be
replicated
in
stittsville,
okay
and
I'll
make
just
one
other
comment.
This
is
I,
I
think
somebody
missed
urban
geography,
101
classes,
because
I
is
there's
no
comparison
to
robert
grant
to
any
of
the
other
facilities
and
don't
get
me
wrong.
This
is,
I
think,
lepen
makes
a
beautiful
building
beautiful
facilities.
K
C
Okay,
well,
I
see
another
colleague
has
a
question
and
thank
you.
Neil
you've
raised
some
good
points
and
when
we
do
get
to
questions
for
staff,
I'm
sure
myself
and
some
of
my
colleagues
will
raise
some
of
these
points.
So
thank
you.
Neil
thank.
B
You,
yes,
I
thought
I
was
reading
your
lips
and
it
looked
like
you
were
saying
counselor,
so
I
don't
have
a
question,
but
just
I
don't
think,
there's
anyone
here
from
hydra
ottawa
today
to
speak
to
the
comment
you
made
about
arcing,
I
can
tell
you:
there
is
information
on
hydrator's
website.
It
speaks
to
overhead
clearance,
it
does
touch
on
arcing.
It
does
touch
on
safe
distance
from
power
lines,
including
buildings.
These
buildings
are
are
quite
well
set
back
from
the
power
lines.
When
you
go.
B
Look
at
the
you
go,
look
at
the
information
on
hydra
ottawa's,
but
just
a
quick
google
search
of
hydro
ottawa,
overhead
clearance
and
you'll
find
some
some
answers
to
those
questions
you
had
about
about
arcing.
K
Thank
you,
councilor
moffat.
It
says
you
know
I
it's
it's
beyond
my
meager
intelligence,
how
you
could
put
30
000
tons
of
structural
steel
within
five
hundred
thousand
or
within
50
meters
of
a
500
000
volt
transmission
line.
But,
as
I
said
this
is
it's
not
my
expertise.
It
just
doesn't
make
any
sense
to
me
whatsoever
personal
opinion.
B
Yeah,
no
that's
fair.
I
mean
on
the
website
what
you'll
notice
is
that
minimum
safe
distance
power
lines,
two
or
three
thousand
volts
or
higher,
is
six
meters
and
you're
talking
about
50
meters.
K
Great
hope
you
have
the
opportunity
to
live
next
to
it,
sir,.
A
Thank
you,
mr
mcclellan,
thanks
very
much
for
coming
out
today.
Our
next
speaker
is
tanya.
Hein
tanya
is
the
president
of
the
statsville
village
association.
Tanya.
Are
you
with
us.
M
Good
morning,
hi
welcome.
Thank
you
chair.
The
sva
has
a
number
of
concerns
with
the
arguments
that
were
put
forward
in
the
staff
report
and
the
zoning
by-law
amendments
that
were
requested
by
the
developer.
Like
others
have
said,
this
particular
application
has
generated
more
comments
from
residents
to
our
organization
than
anything
else.
I
can
remember
in
at
least
the
last
decade
or
so
and
for
good
reason.
M
I
think
stittsville
residents
have
long
balanced
our
history
as
a
village,
with
one
of
the
most
intense
growth
rates
in
the
city,
I'm
sure
you've
seen
that
in
bar
haven
as
well,
while
residents
in
the
adjacent
neighborhoods
have
been
the
most
vocal
and
their
concerns.
I
don't
really
think
that
this
is
a
nimby
situation,
like
I've
heard
in
the
media.
Almost
every
person
that
I've
spoken
to
has
voiced
support
for
reasonable
growth,
including
mid-rise
buildings,
almost
unanimously,
though
they're
really
a
pro
opposed
to
what
we
consider
precocious
growth
in
an
area.
M
M
The
existing
zoning
allows
for
up
to
nine
stories,
which
is
already
a
tremendous
leap
over
anything
else
in
stittsville.
No
other
structure
is
even
close
to
that.
Having
nine
story
buildings
would
make
a
significant
and
permanent
change
to
the
character
of
the
community
and
would
allow
for
a
lot
more
accommodation
diversity.
M
M
I
saw
the
words
sensitive
and
compatible
when
they
were
talking
about
setbacks
and
how
the
buildings
transition
to
the
existing
neighborhoods,
but
as
proposed.
The
development
is
not
sensitive.
It's
not
compatible
with
the
neighboring
communities
and
it's
going
to
change
the
landscape
of
stittsville
in
a
drastic
way.
Everybody
understands
the
compatible
doesn't
mean
the
same,
but
the
people
who
actually
live
in
the
area
know
that
livery,
for
example,
is
already
a
crowded
residential
street.
They
know
that
a
parking
garage
access
to
hundreds
of
homes
really
isn't
going
to
help.
M
If
the
zoning
is
approved,
it's
going
to
set
a
precedent
that
I'm
sure
we're
going
to
see
repeated
as
the
next
blocks
within
that
400
meter
radius
are
developed,
and
that
will
just
compound
the
problem
that
we
see
at
the
sva.
We
prefer
a
more
moderate
approach
to
intensification
that
comes
only
when
the
appropriate
infrastructure
is
in
place.
So
that
means
a
more
incremental
growth
pattern
and
not
a
disproportional
18
story,
benchmark
influencing
other
premature
development.
Long
before
the
infrastructure
is
in
place.
M
Now
it
looks
like
the
revision
that
councilor
gower
mentioned
might
address
this,
but
putting
a
hold
on
the
tower
until
robert
grant
is
extended
only
to
hazeldene
might
delay
some
of
the
problems
headed
toward
the
neighborhood,
but
it's
not
going
to
solve
the
issue
and
it's
not
going
to
get
anyone
to
abandon
their
cars
in
favor
of
taking
a
bus.
Rapid
transit
is
more
than
a
decade
away,
as
likely
as
a
proper
connection
from
robert
grant
to
the
queen's
way.
M
M
A
C
Thank
you,
tanya.
Thanks
for
the
presentation
today,
I
wanted
to
ask
if
you
could
give
a
picture
a
better
picture
to
the
committee
about
the
current
transportation
network
overall
in
stittsville.
I
think
you
have
a
very
good
global
view
of
what
what
commuting
day-to-day
errands,
what
that
looks
like
without
having
robert
grant
avenue
fully
built
for
people
who
live
here.
M
You
know
I
personally
haven't
had
to
make
the
commute
on
a
regular
basis,
but
I
do
hear
the
complaints
it's
it's
incomplete
all
across
stittsville.
You
know,
there's
a
lot
of
misconnections
robert
grant
has
been
touted
as
one
of
the
you
know,
the
major
spine
rates
that
we
need
to
have
in
place,
and
I
think,
as
we
have
literally
thousands
of
building
permits
in
the
fern
bank
area,
that
problem
is
going
to
be
compounded
more
and
more.
M
You
know,
I'm
sure
covid
right
now
is
having
a
temporary
impact
on
how
many
people
are
commuting,
how
many
people
are
taking
the
bus,
but
you
know
there
should
be
light
at
the
end
of
that
tunnel
and
eventually
more
people
are
going
to
be
moving
from
stittsville
all
the
way
downtown
and
back
on
a
daily
basis.
Again,
if
you've
been
on
carp
road
during
rush
hour,
it's
a
mess
any
any
way
to
get
to
the
queen's
way
or
anyway,
to
try
and
get
from
stittsville
to
work.
Downtown
is
just
a
disaster,
most
mornings.
J
I
do
and
tanya
I'm
I'm
struggling
with
this
one.
The
intensification
that
we
need
to
see
in
the
city
is
gonna
have
to
be
distributed
throughout
the
city.
That's
something
that
kitchissippi
residents
are
are
very
keen
to
see,
but
it's
also
critical,
as
as
we
move
with
intensification
further
out
into
the
suburban
areas
that
we
still
support,
15-minute
community
type
of
type
of
development,
can
you
just
I'm
I've
been
looking
at
the
map
throughout
this
morning
at
length?
Where
is
the
grocery
store?
Where
is
the
gym?
Where
is
the
library?
J
How
are
people
going
to?
You
know
not
just
commute,
and
I
I
get
the
challenges
associated
with
commuting
here.
I
get
the
challenges
with
the
transit
that
really
doesn't
exist
in
any
meaningful
way
at
this
point,
but
how
are
people
also
going
to
go
about
their
their
day-to-day
existence
beyond
the
commute.
M
Well,
just
looking
at
the
clubhouse,
for
example,
that's
being
proposed,
it's
a
one-story
structure
with
a
swimming
pool
and
some
meeting
rooms.
I
think
those
meeting
rooms
could
be
moved
into
one
of
the
bigger
buildings.
There's
an
excellent
community
pool
minutes
away
at
the
cardinal
rec
center
that
people
could
use
this
area
is
sort
of
on
the
ridge
between
canada
and
stittsville.
So
there's
library
options.
If
you
go
to
stitchville
maine
or
you
can
go
into
glencairn
for
a
library.
J
M
You
you
could
walk,
you
know,
there's
trail
access
to
the
gym,
so
that
would
be
easy.
Would
I
want
to
walk
necessarily
with
my
four
children
of
you
know
various
ages
to
some
of
the
facilities
and
you
know
get
our
week's
groceries.
No.
J
M
J
Yeah,
I'm
I'm
struggling
with
a
development
of
of
this
intensity
in
this
location,
where
it's
it's
not
on
a
main
street.
It's
not
nestled
amid
commercial
amenities,
we're
absorbing
a
lot
of
really
tall
buildings
in
in
kitchissippi,
ward,
westborough
hintonburg,
that
are,
you
know,
hop,
skip
and
a
jump
away
from
grocery
stores.
It's
an
easy
walk,
and
so
you
don't
have
to
drive
around
the
community
to
get
to
the
library
to
the
gym,
to
the
grocery
store,
the
coffee
shop,
etc.
J
A
Made
thank
you
tanya
for
coming
out.
Okay.
The
next
speaker
we
have
is
miguel
trombley
with
photon
on
behalf
of
le
pen
lepin
from
group
lepen
miguel.
I
Okay,
I
have
a
brief
presentation.
Melody
will
work
the
controls
for
me
and
if
it's
okay,
I
may
steal
a
little
bit
of
pascal's
time,
but
our
intent
is
still
to
come
under
the
the
ten
minutes.
I
As
always,
my
intent
is
never
to
revisit
all
of
the
the
analysis
and
the
the
policy
overview
of
the
staff
report,
but
I
will,
if
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
please
I
will
flush
out
some
of
those
policies,
especially
in
light
of
some
of
the
comments
made
by
the
delegations
related
to
the
the
role
of
robert
grant
and
and
some
some
other
policy
considerations.
I
As
always,
my
intent
is,
is
always
to
tip
my
hand
a
little
bit
to
the
committee
and
leave
you
with
a
couple
of
thoughts
early
and
and
the
two
points
that
I
I
want
to
make,
and
I
I
would
appreciate
the
committee
were
to
retain
is
number
one.
This
is
truly
not
a
density
discussion.
The
densities
proposed
on
the
site
are
actually
about
10
percent
lower
than
the
densities
for
anticipated
by
the
auto
official
plan,
the
fern
bank
cdp
and
the
existing
zoning,
and-
and
I
I
I
really
want
you
to
retain
that.
I
I
Yes,
it
is
taller,
but
that
height,
which
is
afforded
to
le
pin
in
those
policy
documents
and
allows
the
city
to
consider
greater
height,
has
been
to
affect
a
better
building
form
transition
to
livery
and
the
community
to
the
east,
and
also
recognizing
that
a
transition
will
be
necessary
to
the
eventual
residential
community
on
the
west
side
of
robert
grant
next
site.
If
you
don't
mind,
actually
two
slides
we'll
we'll
skip
this
one.
I
Just
for
for
this
is
livery,
but,
and
I'm
gonna
try
to
touch
on
some
of
counselor
leeper's
questions
as
well.
Oh
actually,
I
should
have.
I
should
have
done
it
on
the
previous
slide,
but
the
the
lands
are
designated
arterial
main
street.
The
arterial
main
street
permits
buildings
up
to
nine
stories.
It
also
provides
us
with
an
evaluative
criteria
to
assess
if
greater
building
height
can
be
accommodated.
I
In
this
case
here
le
pin
chose
to
redistribute
that
height
into
something
different
in
order
to
respond
well
to
the
context
and
an
effort
to
transition
you'll
recognize
that
robert
grant
is
a
44
meter,
wide
arterial
roadway.
It
is
a
transit
priority
corridor
but,
most
importantly,
next
slide,
please.
I
These
lands
are
immediately
south
of
a
proposed
transit
station
and
and
a
park
and
ride
facility
that
is
proposed
to
be
located
within
the
hydro
corridor.
Just
quickly
on
that
matter,
we
are
doing
other
applications,
including
an
application
on
taran
road,
where
we
will
be
putting
parking
within
a
hydro
corridor.
It
is
very
reasonable
and
there's
a
very
defined
hydro
process
as
to
how
to
do
that.
The
counselors
leapers
questions
earlier
and
and
some
of
the
delegations-
yes,
the
area
within
400
meters
of
this
transit
station-
will
transform
over
time
councillor
leeper.
I
You
should
be
aware
that
the
properties
immediately
to
the
south
of
the
le
pin
property-
if
you
remember
the
air
photo
that
I
showed,
is
anticipated
to
be
the
village
green
within
the
fernbank
cdp
area
and
actually
some
of
the
design
considerations
that
le
pin
did
was
to
open
up
potential
synergies
with
that
property
which
will
kind
of
fulfill
that
function
it
does.
It
does
have
a
mix
use
function
in
the
in
the
cdp
document.
I
It
is
intended
to
be
something
bigger
and
better,
but
other
lands
within
proximity,
with
the
exception
of
the
high
school,
will
over
time,
be
characterized
by
high-rise
buildings.
Next
slide,
please
actually
two
slides.
This
is
in
your
staff
report.
It's
the
zoning
so
to
be
abundantly
clear.
This
is
what
is
permitted
today
under
the
current
zoning
it
it.
It
has
about
550
to
560
units
in
30,
meter,
high
nine
story,
mid-rise
buildings.
I
It
provides
little
to
no
transition
to
livery.
It
provides
less
functional,
open
space
as
you'll
see
in
comparison
to
the
new
proposal,
and
it
doesn't
afford
for
sunlight
and
all
those
other
things,
including
the
synergy
to
the
to
the
property
to
the
south,
that
you
can
see.
Counselor
leaper
a
budding
building
b.
The
undeveloped
lands
next
slide.
Please.
I
This
is
the
proposal.
Building
c
is
the
18
story.
Building
the
density
has
been
pushed
to
that
building
with
because
it's
in
closest
proximity
to
the
transit
station
it
frames
robert
grant.
The
pathway
to
the
north
is
the
community
amenity.
It's
formalizing
through
the
le
pin
lands,
an
important
pedestrian
connection
from
livery
and
and
the
balance
of
that
community
to
provide
access
to
transit
building
a
previously
a
nine
story.
I
Building
is
now
a
four
stepping
to
a
five
stepping
to
a
six-story
building,
with
very
articulated
setbacks
in
order
to
affect
that
transition
to
to
low-rise
dwellings
on
livery.
It's
removing
that
massing
and
redistributing
it
truly
to
building
c
building
b,
with
its
short
edge
to
robert
grant
is,
is
still
a
nine
story
building
as
permitted
under
the
zoning
in
terms
of
the
open
space.
Now
we
have
about
58
open
space
onto
this
property.
It
allowed
the
pin
to
add
an
amenity
building
to
meet
some
of
the
needs
of
the
residents.
I
You'll,
be
aware,
I
think
from
other
projects
that
le
pen
is
very
much
focused
on
seniors
apartments,
and
it
opens
up
a
good
portion
of
the
site
now
to
the
property
to
the
south,
which
is
the
village
green
next
slide,
please.
This
is
the
transition
which
is
noticeably
different.
Yes,
there's
an
18-story
building
on
the
site
now,
as
opposed
to
nine-story
buildings,
but
all
of
these
efforts
have
been
to
transition
properly
to
livery,
beyond
what
the
zoning
would
obligate
le
pin
to
do.
I
To
to
one
of
the
delegations
points
the
frontage
or
the
depth
of
this
property
is
about
125
meters,
so,
regardless
of
the
location
of
that
station,
it
will
be
well
within
that
400
meters,
but
for
a
density
that
is
slightly
less
than
what
was
originally
anticipated
in
the
existing
zoning.
Le
pin
is
proposing
504
units
slightly
less
10
percent,
less
than
what
is
permitted
in
the
zoning.
I
Previous
applications
did
not
fully
meet
the
parking
requirements.
There
was
a
considerable
amount
of
community
discomfort
related
to
that
so
now.
The
proposal,
despite
the
fact
that
it's
in
proximity
to
transit,
will
meet
the
bylaw
in
an
effort
to
unburden
abutting
streets
from
potential
off-street
parking.
The
density-
and
I
know
it's
been
brought
up
by
delegations
and
and
some
of
the
counselors
but
the
city
in
this
case
now
there
is
no
fsi
on
the
property.
I
The
city
is
proposing
an
fsi
of
3.5
to
restrict
the
density
to
exactly
what
was
permitted
in
the
zoning,
so
the
this
is
truly
an
exercise.
Next
slide,
please
in
density
redistribution,
to
be
mindful
of
a
budding
context-
and
I
said
this
before:
building
to
the
existing
zoning
is
not
always
the
best
urban
design
approach.
This
is
sculpting
that
massing
to
make
it
more
palatable.
Yes,
it's
taller,
but
there
are
policies
and
criterias
in
the
official
plan
that
direct
the
city
to
consider
taller
buildings
when
you
can
do
it
better.
I
So
I'll
leave
it
to
that
slide,
I
think,
but
it
just
and-
and
you
know,
I've
spent
a
lot
of
time
on
transition
to
livery,
but
we
were
also
very
mindful
of
transition
to
that
community
to
the
to
the
west
on
the
other
side
of
robert
grant,
but
recall
that
and
again
in
massaging
these.
These
forms
robert
grant
is
a
44
and
a
half
meter
wide
arterial
roadway,
which
will
provide
sufficient
separation
to
that
future.
Community.
I
The
18th
story
building
now
has
a
four-story
podium
with
a
recessed
tower
to
contribute
to
that
transition
with
a
seven
and
a
half
front
yard
setback,
seven
and
a
half
meter
front
yard
setback
all
in
efforts
to
sculpt
the
massing
to
make
it
more
a
more
positive
transition
to
the
abundant
community.
So
in
terms
of
of
traffic,
the
counselor
in
particular
has
spearheaded
a
restriction
on
the
construction
timing
of
the
18
story,
building
to
tie
it
to
the
construction
of
robert
grant,
all
the
way
to
maple
grove.
To
be
clear.
I
The
traffic
study
fully
supports
all
of
the
densities
proposed
without
that
condition,
there's
something
that
the
counselor
articulated
given
community
discomfort.
Le
pin
has
agreed
to
that
condition,
but
truly
that
the
network
is
available
to
to
support
the
density.
Primary
access
will.
A
L
Thank
you
very
much
chair
and
I'll.
Ask
it
now
I
might
ask
again
later
staff,
but
so
I'm
very
familiar
with
le
pine
and
have
some
beautiful
philippine
buildings
here
in
my
ward
as
well
looks
quite
similar,
I
think,
to
what's
trying
to
be
achieved
in
this
development.
L
N
Can
answer
this
so
service
oriented
retail
is
something
that
we
have
in
mind,
but
this
this
is
something
that
we're
gonna
take
into
consideration
more
at
the
site
plan
level.
I
do
want
to
add
also
that
the
block
located
south
of
the
village
green
is
owned
by
a
choice
rate.
I
Just
to
add
the
thank
you,
pascal,
the
the
zoning
doesn't
preclude
at
great
commercial
and
it
permits
it
the
arterial
main
street
zoning
we're
not
affecting
it
through
the
zoning
it's
already
permitted
for
ad
grade
and,
for
instance,
the
le
pin
project
in
your
ward
has
a
morning
owl,
coffee,
shop
and
and
other
amenities.
L
Yeah
so
again,
as
you
know,
thinking
about
this,
as
you
do
move
forward
to
site
plan,
you
know,
I
think
those
amenities
and
that
ground
floor,
commercial
or
services
is
really
important
to
kind
of
the
fabric
and
the
culture
of
this
neighborhood
as
it
grows,
and
so
it's
certainly
something
that
that
I'll
be
watching
for
and,
I
think,
should
be
a
consideration.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Counselor
councillor
leeper.
J
Thanks
chair
councillor,
suds
hit
the
hit
the
the
nail
on
the
head.
It's
an
am
zoning
which
obviously
does
allow
for
entirely
residential
developments,
but
I
think
it
is
counter
to
the
spirit
of
what
the
am
zoning
is
attempting
to
do
and
as
we
try
to
make
livable
density
in
our
suburbs,
it's
critical
that
we
have
those
amenities.
J
Choice
may
own
the
the
property
the
south,
but
I
that's
not
a
guarantee
that
anything
is
is
going
to
be
built
by
choice
that
the
land
will
stay
in
their
ownership
and
as
we
move
forward,
we
we
need
to
have
that
commercial,
arterial,
main
street
development-
and
I
just
don't
see
it
here-
which
is
a
continued
struggle
on
my
part-
to
to
try
to
bring
myself
to
support
this.
One.
N
I
just
want
to
add
that
when
it
comes
to
service
oriented
retail
for
densities-
like
this,
it
would
be
good
for
the
city
to
take
into
consider
consideration
a
reduction
of
the
parking
ratio.
Just
because
we're
not
this
isn't
a
small,
it's
not
a
walmart,
it's
not
a
it's,
not
a
grocery
store.
This
is
this
would
very
much
be
for
the
neighborhood
for
the
our
residents.
A
Thank
you
so
before
I
go
to
counselor
gower
for
questions,
does
anyone
else
on
the
committee
or
council
have
any
questions?
No
counselor
gower.
C
Yeah,
thank
you
chair.
Thank
you,
councillor,
suds
and
councillor
lieber
for
both
raising
the
question
about
retail
amenities.
It's
something
that
I've
had
a
number
of
discussions
with
the
lepin
group
about.
I
do
think
when
this
whole
neighborhood
was
master
designed
back
in
2009.
C
It
was
a
miss
that
there
wasn't
specific
local
retail
zoned.
You
know
not
mixed
use,
but
actual
local
commercial
zoning
added
here
so
I'll.
Add
to
my
colleagues
and
encouraging
lipin
once
again
to
see
if
we
they
can
find
a
way
to
include
a
coffee
shop,
a
hair
salon,
a
yoga
studio
that
kind
of
space
for
the
community.
I
wanted
to
ask.
C
I
want
to
ask
miguel
the
the
first
delegation
we
had
mentioned:
2
000
to
3,
000,
vehicle
trips
and
concern
about
vehicles
using
livery
street
rather
than
robert
grant
as
the
primary
entrance.
Can
you
explain
what
what
the
plan
is
from
a
planning
perspective?
What
mitigation
might
there
be
to
keep
as
much
traffic
as
possible,
using
robert
grant,
as
opposed
to
livery.
I
Sure-
and
I
think
pascal
can
speak
to
this
as
well,
but
you
know
recognizing
that
the
property
has
125
meters
of
frontage
onto
robert
grant.
The
primary
access
will
be
on
robert
grant.
There
is
a
secondary
access
for
for
fire
blockages
in
the
event
that
the
main
access
is
is
compromised
for,
for
whatever
reason
people
need
to
be
able
to
get
in
and
out,
but
the
intent
is
that
that
access
to
livery,
which
is
set
back,
you
know
about
35
to
40
meters
from
the
from
the
road.
I
So
it's
it
certainly
won't
be
intrusive
visually
from
to
to
livery,
but
it's
intended
internally
to
be
designed
as
a
secondary
access.
You
know
some
of
the
previous
delegations
noted
some
of
the
the
challenges
to
moving
around
on
robert
graham,
but
it's
quite
the
opposite.
There
are
two
roundabouts,
both
north
and
south,
of
the
proposed
access
for
the
le
pin
group
property.
So
that's
the
beauty
of
roundabouts
is
it
allows
you
to
maneuver
without
waiting
for
lights,
so
movements
will
be
unencumbered
in
and
out.
I
If,
if
movements
are
intended
to
go
eastbound,
they
would
simply
leave
on
robert
grant,
go
north
and
then
use
the
roundabout
and
go
on
abbott
eastbound.
So
there
would
be
very
little
incentive
to
use
the
livery
access
to
make
their
way
through
that
community
to
work
their
way
to
terry
fox,
when
abbott
would
provide
arterial
road
access
to
that.
N
And
I
just
want
to
add
that
the
underground
parking
is
going
to
be
designed
in
a
way
that
it's
going
to
be
more
convenient
for
our
residents
to
be
using
the
robert
grant
entrance
and
delivery
entrance
is
going
to
be
more
of
a
an
inconvenience,
but
it's
just
that
we
need
to
have
for
that
type
of
density.
We
need
to
have
a
secondary
parking
entrance
just
in
case
there's
a
door
that
fails
or
something
like
that.
C
C
We
are
certainly
seeing
in
stittsville
and
I'm
sure
it's
true,
in
other
words
as
well,
there
seems
to
be
a
lot
of
applications
in
mixed-use
areas
for
residential
and
very
little
that's
coming
in
for
commercial.
Can
you
just
talk
about
some
of
the
some
of
the
trends
or
some
of
the
factors
that
are
behind
it?
Why
is
it
so
hard
to
get
a
local
grocery
store
or
a
local
coffee
shop
built
in
a
mixed-use
zone
like
this?
Why
aren't
we
seeing
more
applications.
N
So
I
think
a
lot
of
it
has
to
right
now.
Covet
is
a
bit
of
an
exception
just
to
the
to
the
current
how
the
market
is
is
taking
it
on
with
the
retail
and
the
in
the
office.
But
I
think,
what's
I
think,
for
us
really
what's
gonna
help
us
with
the
putting
in
that
retail
putting
in
those
coffee
shops
those
hairdressers,
those
those
dry
cleaners,
is
going
to
be
that
taking
into
account
that
parking
ratio
we're
like
we're
fully
supportive
of
including
retail
into
our
buildings.
N
But
the
challenge
that
we're
having
is
to
do
with
the
parking
ratios,
but
that's
something
that
we're
really
open
to
to,
including
into
our
projects.
I
Maybe
an
additional
comment,
because
we
do
a
lot
of
work
for
sobes
and
and
metro
and
choice,
and
and
really
I
mean
they're-
it's
not
that
complicated
of
a
business
model
in
that
they're.
Looking
for
density
and
rooftops,
so
typically,
grocery
stores
don't
go
into
communities
that
are
under
development,
but
rather
are
developed
because
they
want
the
density
there
when
they
open
up,
not
they're,
not
interested
in
in
having
density
accrue
around
them.
I
So
we
have
sites,
you
know
in
greeley
and
other
locations
for
some
of
these
retailers
that
are
waiting
for
the
densities
to
accrue
projects
like
this
facilitate
that
they
they
ultimately
provide
density
that
supports
those
uses.
C
Okay,
thank
you.
I
I
wanted
to
point
out
too,
that
you
know
1.5
kilometers
away,
which
is
on
the
verge
of
a
15-minute
walk
a
little
bit
more
is
the
strip
along
hazelden
road,
and
it's
it's
not
much
today,
but
the
way
the
zoning
is
there
and
future
development
is
likely
going
to
be
very
intense,
with
retail
and
doctors,
offices
and
other
uses,
and
I'll
speak
a
little
bit
later
about
the
importance
of
robert
grant
avenue.
But
you
know
it
will
be.
C
You
know,
bike
paths,
walking
paths,
sidewalks
and
so
on,
so
as
it
grows.
I
hope
that
we're
going
to
see
more
variety
in
what's
here,
it
won't
be
just
homes,
we'll
have
a
lot
more
variety
into
what's
within
a
reasonable
walking
distance
for
residents,
but
thank
you
pascal
and
miguel.
N
Sorry,
I
just
want
to
add
something
when
I
I'm
talking
about
the
parking
ratio-
I'm
not
talking
about
the
residential
component,
I'm
talking
about
strictly
the
commercial
component
for
that
commercial
portion
and
also
commercial
commercial
tends
to
come
after
the
density
after
after
the
residential
portion.
So
as
this
area
really
builds
up
the
commer,
the
commercial
aspect
and
like
the
retail
and
the
offices
are
going
to
follow
after
that,
that's
kind
of
the
trend
of
the
market
and
how
how
how
development
usually
goes.
A
So
I
think,
are
you
finished
vice
checkout.
C
A
So
you
know
it's
interesting
to
have
this
conversation,
because
15-minute
neighborhoods
is
something
that's
playing
a
big
role
in
the
official
plan
and,
as
you
know,
we'll
see
an
updated
draft
sometime
going
into
the
summer
and
then
we'll
be
having
before
our
joint
committees.
But
I
think
that
what's
important,
I'm
going
to
ask
mr
trombley
miguel.
The
zoning
will
stay
available
for
commercial
purpose
when
that
time
comes
or
it
might
be
at
the
beginning,
or
it
might
be
during
the
time.
A
But
if
you
were
to
have
residential
and
or
use
it
for
residential
does
not
mean
that
it
can't
be
converted.
You
know
when
demand
shows
itself
at
a
later
date,
correct
because
of
the
zoning.
That's
that's
before
us.
I
Yeah,
the
zoning
and
it's
not
drawn
to
your
attention
because
we're
not
amending
any
portion
of
the
zoning
to
remove
the
commercial.
It's
it's
always
there,
but
we're
working
on
other
buildings
that
the
the
ground
floor
can
easily
be
converted.
The
one
on
taran
road
could
be
either
and
residential
or
commercial
uses,
and
it's
going
to
be
a
function
of
market
at
the
time
of
site
plan
and
and
there's
nothing
that
would
preclude
le
pin
from
doing
commercial
if
it
met
the
needs
of
their
their
residents
or
the
broader
community.
A
And
I
would
just
if
anybody
knows
the
colonnade
road
area
at
all
back
when
that
was
in
my
ward,
so
in
2005
or
so,
when
ashcroft
put
their
their
application
in,
for
the
ravine,
I
think
is
the
is
the
is
the
retirement
home
and
a
whole
series
of
places
there,
but
on
colonnade
itself,
at
the
time
we
made
a
firm
decision
to
force
commercial
on
the
bottom
I
haven't
been
by
there
for
probably
well
with
the
cope
with
covet.
A
I
haven't
been
by
there
probably
for
about
seven
months
that
piece,
but
in
that
entire
time
other
than
having
one
laundromat
there
I
think
it
was.
There
has
never
been
anything
in
that
space.
That's
a
long
time
for
it
to
be
empty.
However,
in
one
of
the
mayor's
favorite
sites
is
in
it's
a
campanelli
in
bar
haven
in
long
fields,
right
by
longfield
station
and
wow.
It's
it's
just
like
what
you
want
for
that
type
of
commercial.
A
You
know
small
flower
shop
by
an
independent
owner,
a
nice
little
carmelitos,
cafe,
that's
just
open
and
that
sort
of
thing,
and
it's
strictly
because
you've
got
the
schools
in
place.
You've
got
the
density
in
place.
You
have
a
transit
station,
the
longfield
station.
As
I
said,
it's
very
walkable
you've
got
a
32-acre
park
there
I
mean
it's
just
that
it's.
A
It
was
okay
to
be
ready
from
the
start,
even
though
the
start
of
long
pills
was
1990,
but
that
infill
that
was
massive,
as
some
of
you
will
recall
in
the
last
10
years
or
so.
So
that's
interesting.
So
now,
thanks
to
the
mr
trombley,
miss
lepin,
and
now
we're
going
to
go
to
questions
of
staff
who
has
said
questions
of
staff,
counselor,
tierney,.
I
Great
thank
you,
madam
chair.
So
question
of
staff.
There
was
a
delegation
that
was
referring
to
robert.
D
Grant
avenue
concerns
that
almost
that
it's
not
an
arterial
can.
I
C
G
I'll
type
that
madam
chair,
the
robert
grant,
is
designated
as
an
arterial
road
in
the
transportation
master
plan.
At
the
moment,
this
segment
of
robert
grant
between
fernbank
and
abbott
street
is
it's
in
an
interim
configuration
right
now
it
has
a
sidewalk
and
a
mop
on
each
side
of
the
road,
and
it's
got
two
lanes
of
traffic.
G
In
the
longer
term,
it
will
be
widened
and
there
will
also
be
a
bus
route
running
down
the
center
boulevard
of
the
street.
So
it
will
be
four
lanes
of
traffic
and
two
lanes
of
bus
traffic
down
the
middle.
So
it
definitely
it's
already
designated
as
an
arterial
road
and
as
I
mentioned,
it's
it's
built
up
to
abbott
street
the
segment
between
abbott
up
to
hazelden,
which
is
the
the
next
segment
as
you
head
north.
G
That
one
travels
through
a
subdivision
that
is
in
progress
now,
and
there
is
the
ability
for
the
developer
to
front
end
that
road.
If
they
wanted
to
build
it
sooner
than
expected,
and
then
the
segment
north
of
hazelden
road
is
a
more
longer
term
and
then
there's
it's
all
different
segments
of
road.
The
most
northerly
part
up
around
palladium
is
being
built
now
through
a
different
subdivision
application.
G
So
what
we
see
now
on
robert
grant
is
not
the
ultimate
configuration,
but
despite
what
it
looks
like
now,
it
definitely
is
an
arterial
road.
It's
designated
as
a
transit
priority
corridor
and
the
transit
station.
That's
shown
on
schedule
d
of
the
official
plan
that
miguel
mentioned,
despite
the
fact
that
it's
not
built
yet
it's
still
the
official
plan
policies
do
allow
this
request
for
additional
height
because
it
is
designated
as
a
future
transit
station.
So
whether
or
not
it
exists
is
is
not
really
pertinent
to
this
discussion.
C
F
Thank
you
chair.
My
first
question
to
staff
is
to
do
with
the
point
that
was
raised
by
one
of
the
delegations
to
do
with
the
hydro
lines.
F
Could
they
speak
to
that
because
those
hydro
lines
run
through
not
just
built
stiffville,
but
my
community
as
well
and
in
through
what
was
formerly
known
as
nepean?
It's
the
main
power
source
coming
into
the
city.
So
I'd
like
to
hear
staff
comment
on
just
how
safe
that
is.
G
I
can
take
that
hydro,
one
hydro,
one
was
circulated
at
the
time
of
the
rezoning
application
and
there
were
no
comments
of
concern
that
were
provided
to
us.
They
would
also
be
involved
at
the
time
of
the
site
plan
application,
which
is
when
we
would
be
looking
at
the
exact
location
of
the
buildings,
but
there
have
been
no
concerns
raised
and
there
are
developments
all
along
the
the
perimeter
of
this
hydro
easement
one
resident
also
mentioned
potential
concerns
with
parking
in
the
hydro
easement.
G
There
was
an
environmental
assessment
done
for
what's
called
the
west
transitway
connections
that
was
the
future
extension
of
light
rail
and
transit
to
stittsville
and
hydro.
One
was
also
a
stakeholder
and
very
involved
in
that
process,
so
they
are
certainly
aware
of
the
city's
intent
to
construct
a
park
and
ride
within
the
hydro
lands,
and
no
detailed
design
has
been
done
yet,
but
they
would
be
involved
at
the
time
of
detailed
design.
F
Okay,
kathy,
I
I
wasn't
really
concerned
about
the
parking
side
of
it.
I
think
the
what
the
resident
was
raising
is
health
concerns,
and
I
don't
think
I'm
looking
for
a
hydro
one
to
come
back
on
health
concern
issues
here.
What
I'm
looking
for
is
some
details
about
studies
that
are
available,
that
staff
would
have
available
to
them
from
health,
canada
and
others
on
the
safety
of
building
within
these,
the
the
cone
of
these
power
lines,
for
example
in
my
area,
there's
a
school
built
underneath
one
of
these
power
lines.
F
So
you
know
if
you're
looking
for
a
lot
of
steel
and
everything.
Well
that
goes
into
a
school,
and
there
was
extensive
studies
done
before
that
school
was
built.
I
know
health
canada
does
follow-up
stories
to
to
make
sure
that
there's
no
clusters
of
cancer
or
anything
like
that
under
these
power
lines.
So
when
you
look
at
these
plans
for
approval,
I'm
assuming
that
you
are
taking
these
studies
into
account.
G
We
are
not
involved
in
any
studies
like
that
through
a
rezoning
process
there
there
were
years
of
work
that
was
done
through
the
fern
bank
cdp
when
the
entire
framework
for
the
community
was
developed.
That
was
council
approved
back
in
2009
and
hydro.
One
was
a
stakeholder
at
that
time
and
it
was
during
that
process
that
it
was
identified
where
the
various
land
uses
would
be.
So
this
parcel
was
identified.
It's
meant
for
high
density
development,
it's
arterial
main
street.
It's
immediately
abutting
the
hydro
corridor,
but
all
of
that
is
what
was
intended.
G
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair
to
staff.
I
just
had
a
question
piggybacking
previous
inquiry.
J
On
traffic
flow
on
the
arterial
road,
because
the
road
right
now,
if
I
want
to
get
to
the
queensway,
which
is
probably
the
main
way
that
sticksville
residents
get
downtown,
can
you
just
describe
the
the
timelines
to
upgrade
the
road
network
from
this
community
where
the
proposal
is.
G
Okay,
so
right
now,
if
someone
were
if
this
building
were
constructed
or
for
residents
that
are
living
in
the
area
right
now,
they
would
go
northbound
on
robert
grant
as
far
as
abbott
and
abbott
is
built
going
eastward
to
terry
fox.
So
then
they
would
take
terry
fox
up
to
the
queen's
wave.
That
would
be
the
route
at
this
time.
G
Robert
grant,
as
we
discussed,
will
be
extended,
so
the
abbot
to
hazel
being
segment,
which
is
the
one
closest
to
this
development,
the
funding
for
that
is
in
2024,
so
that
would
be
funding
in
that
year
and
then
at
approximately
two
years
for
detailed
design
and
construction,
so
that
could
be
built
in
2026..
G
Now,
there's
also
the
possibility
of
the
developer
that
the
road
runs
through.
They
are
in
the
process
of
a
subdivision
application,
so
if
they
front-end
it
that
could
conceivably
come
online
sooner
than
that
target
and
then
north
of
hazeldean,
the
next
segment
would
be
hazeldean
to
palladium
drive
and
that
segment
has
funding
in
2029,
which
means
the
road
could
be
built
in
2031.,
and
then
the
most
northern
chunk
closest
to
the
queen's
way.
G
I
guess
the
segment
that
is
the
longest
away
is
the
part
between
abbott
or
or
sorry
between
hazel
dean
and
palladium.
That
would
be
the
chunk.
G
That
is
the
farthest
away
and
council
gower
made
a
motion
to
delay
the
tall
building
until
the
segment
from
robert
grant
to
maple
grove
is
constructed
and
that
would
fall
within
that
piece
of
hazeldine
to
palladium
and
so
for
that
we're
looking
at
approximately
2029
so
by
extending
the
our
staff
report
recommended
a
holding
provision
until
robert
grant
was
built
up
to
hazelden
and
that
is
technically
not
required.
The
traffic
network
handle
the
traffic
generated
by
this
development.
G
The
number
of
units
isn't
changing
from
what
the
current
zoning
allows.
So
this
is
traffic
that
was
expected.
There
was
a
traffic
impact
study
done
for
this
rezoning
and
the
the
numbers
are
really
not
much
different
than
what's
allowed
and
back
when
the
subdivision
was
done.
The
subdivision
that
created
these
blocks
and
created
the
lots
on
livery
and
the
surrounding
area.
There
was
a
traffic
impact
study
done
there
too,
and
it
projected
the
number
of
cars
that
would
be
generated
by
the
subdivision,
and
so
really
what's
happening
is
what
we
expected.
G
So
we
recommended
that
holding
provision
until
robert
grant
is
built
up
to
abbott
street,
primarily
to
address
public
concerns
that
were
expressed
about
an
incomplete
road
network,
but
technically
it
is
not
required.
So
it's
more.
It
was
something
that
will
defer
construction
till
the
road
network
gets
more
complete,
but
it's
not
really
required.
Okay,.
J
E
Can
you
speak
to
where
the
closest
transitway
stop
is
please.
G
G
So
there's
an
express
route
that
travels
from
this
neighborhood
and
goes
to
connie's
pasture,
so
people
can
catch
the
lrt,
there's
also
local
routes
that
serve
this
community
again
on
cope,
which,
which
would
be
a
couple
of
blocks,
that
robert
grant
had
cope,
which
is
a
few
blocks
south,
and
there
is
local
transit
service
that
would
go
to
terry
fox
station,
and
that
runs
all
day,
and
that
would
be
for
if
someone
wanted
to
go
to
the
center,
for
example,
teenagers
want
to
go
to
a
movie,
they
can
get
on
a
bus
and
go
to
terry
fox
and
then
there's
also
a
bus
that
goes
61
goes
through
stiffville.
G
N
Counselor,
if
I
can
just
jump
in
for
a
second,
I
just
wanted
to
point
out
through
the
the
site
plan
control
process
as
well.
Oc
transpo
will
be
circulated,
so
there
is
an
opportunity
to
explore
with
them
through
the
site,
plan
control
for
each
of
the
individual
buildings.
Whether
additional
stops
are
warranted
from
oc
transpose
perspective
along
robert
grant.
A
N
Thank
you
chair.
You
know
we're
talking
about
the
west
end
of
the
city
today,
but
we
see
a
lot
of
the
same
issues
and
concerns
about
development
versus
infrastructure
in
the
east
end.
So
I
really
appreciate
the
discussion
we're
having
and
I
do
have
some
questions
for
staff
can.
Can
you
comment
on
I'm
not
sure
who
to
direct
this
to,
but
can
can
staff
comment
on
how
an
appropriate
height
gets
decided
like?
How
did
how
did
you
determine
what
height
could
be
allowed
in
this
location?
N
If
I
can
jump
in
here,
counselor
I
just
wanted
to
express
our
evaluation
of
height
is
typically
we
respond
to
the
development
application
before
us
in
determining
whether
it's
appropriate
development
or
not.
So
it's
not
necessarily
a
matter
for
us
to
decide.
N
You
know
what
exactly
is
the
permissions
we
look
at
what's
before
us
and
determine
whether
it's
appropriate?
We
did
have
some
discussions,
certainly
with
the
developer
about
transitions
and
recognizing
that
the
existing
permissions
permit
a
higher
development
form
adjacent
to
delivery.
So
from
the
get-go
there
was
discussions
about
ensuring
that
appropriate
transition
to
the
adjacent
communities.
N
We
have
a
set
of
urban
design
guidelines
for
high-rise
buildings
that
we
use
to
evaluate
proposals
for
high-rise.
So
we
we
take
into
consideration
things
like
proximity
to
the
low-rise
community.
So
how
far
away
a
high-rise
is,
in
this
case
the
the
tallest
building
proposed
on
the
site
is
98
meters
from
the
property
line
along
liberty.
So
it's
a
substantial
distance
from
that
low-rise
community
and
then
we
also
look
at
things.
A
guiding
principle
is
on
a
slide
that
miguel
provided
showing
a
45
degree
angular
plane.
So
how
that
development?
N
That
height
is
proposed
within
proximity
again
to
that
low-rise
community,
and
then
we
evaluate
things
like
whether
an
urban
forum,
a
pedestrian
scale
urban
forum,
is
proposed
along
robert
grant.
So
in
this
case,
as
well
through
discussions
with
the
developer,
we've
introduced
a
podium
form
along
robert
grant.
So
there's
step
backs
at
a
minimum
of
the
above
the
fourth
floor.
N
When
lepen
comes
in
for
the
site
plan,
they
may
opt
to
do
a
lower
podium,
but
at
a
minimum
above
the
or
at
a
maximum
should
sorry,
I
should
say
above
the
fourth
floor
that
would
be
required
step
backs.
So
that
that
pedestrian
urban
experience
along
robert
grant
is
maintained
for
the
podium
form,
so
it's
a
combination
of
factors,
but
primarily
I
should
add
as
well.
N
We
also
take
into
a
consideration
the
advice
of
our
urban
design
review
panel,
so
this
application
was
before
the
urban
design
review
panel
and
the
the
notes
associated
with
that
design.
Panel
review
are
included
as
part
of
kathy's
report
at
the
end
and
that
formed
part
of
our
discussion
with
the
developer
in
terms
of
consideration
of
this
additional
height
and
how
to
best
shape
the
site.
N
Okay,
great,
that's,
that's
very
helpful,
and
is
there
a
limit
to
height
in
the
official
plan.
N
In
I'll,
say,
generally
speaking,
there's
not
a
maximum
limit
of
consideration,
but
for
for
high-rise
buildings
once
we're
into
the
30-story
plus
category.
That's
an
area
where
there's
specific
direction
in
the
official
plan
as
to
where
those
high
high-rises
are
considered
and
those
are
and-
and
so
that's
a
different
category
of
analysis
that
we
take
into
consideration
at
that.
At
that
rate
and.
N
Okay
and
then
my
last
question
is,
you
know,
kind
of
more
general,
but
how?
How
do
we
pay
for
the
infrastructure
upgrades
needed
in
our
suburbs
is?
Is
bringing
infrastructure
upgrades
to
a
community
before
in
before
we
add
intensification?
Is
that
possible.
D
Madam
chair,
maybe
maybe
if
I
could
just
start
with
that
conversation
and
let
miss
ragus
or
o'connell,
to
add
into
that
in
suburban
communities.
Growth
is
intended
to
pay
for
growth.
So
a
lot
of
the
infrastructure
that
comes
with
new
developments
counselor,
it's
part
of
our
development
charge,
bylaw.
D
It's
part
of
the
development
that
comes
before
you,
so
there's
been
a
number
of
different
studies
that
our
policy
team
has
done
with
respect
to
affordability
with
our
suburban
development,
and
this
would
be
another
situation
in
case
where
part
of
our
you
know,
development
charges
and
our
taxes
that
we
we
acquire
ultimately
pay
for
our
infrastructure.
The
challenge
is
sometimes
it's
the
chicken
and
the
egg
situation
which
comes
first
and
often
we
need
those
development
charges
to
be
able
to
pay
and
support
for
the
infrastructure.
A
I'm
trying
to
save
my
bandwidth
here
so
I
can
still
continue
to
hear
people
anyway
just
see.
I
was
just
going
to
say
that
as
an
example
to
what
you
were
just
saying,
you
know
we
we
see
that
across
the
city.
A
You
have
situations,
certainly
in
in
your
neck
of
the
woods
and-
and
you
know,
and
as
miss
sneddon
said,
but
you
know
the
strandheard
project,
that's
currently
underway,
for
I
think
it's
just
105
million
or
something
that
keeps
getting
bandy
to
vote
by
a
great
on
a
regular
basis
at
many
committees.
A
You
know
as
a
solution
to
a
lot
of
things,
but
over
and
well
over
90
percent
of
that
is
paid
for
by
development
charges,
including
all
the
the
amount
that
goes
for
the
servicing
for
the
sewers
and
the
water
and
all
of
that
sort
of
thing.
That's
all
part
of
that
project
and
and
and
and
those
things
in
the
suburbs,
especially
the
water
and
the
sewer,
are
really
like
98
99
paid
for
through
development
charges.
A
So
if
you
don't
have
the
development
you're,
not
you're,
getting
the
work
done
too,
and
so
our
last
person
with
counselor
with
questions,
is
vice
chair,
gower.
C
A
C
Slides
too
so,
first
of
all,
I
want
to
say
thank
you
to
all
the
residents
who
made
presentations
today
and
the
many
residents
who
wrote
letters
to
the
committee.
I
will
talk
about
the
motion,
but
first
I
wanted
to
set
it
up
by
talking
to
the
committee
about
growth
in
stittsville.
C
Currently
we
have
a
population
of
43
000
people
in
15,
000
households
and
over
the
past
few
years
we've
grown
at
a
rate
30
percent
faster
than
the
city
at
large.
By
2034
we
expect
to
have
67
000
people
living
in
stittsville
between
2014
and
2019.
The
city
collected
129
million
dollars
in
development
charges
from
new
builds
in
stittsville
and
in
2019
alone
it
was
42
million
dollars.
That's
a
full
10
million
dollars
more
than
the
next
highest
award,
which
was
carol
ann
meehan's
ward
in
gloucestershire.
C
So
we
have
certainly
been
paying
our
fair
share
towards
development
charges.
Right
now
we
have
25
active
development
applications
in
stittsville.
To
put
that
in
perspective,
that
means
there
are
more
homes
and
apartments
in
the
approval
stage.
Right
now,
then
there
were
total
homes
in
stittsville
just
15
years
ago.
The
pace
of
this
growth
can
be
overwhelming
for
residents
and
it's
also
very
frustrating
when
these
new
homes
arrive
ahead
of
the
transportation
infrastructure.
C
Now
many
of
these
new
applications
are
for
homes
along
the
future.
Robert
grant
avenue
corridor.
In
fact,
most
of
them
are
robert
grant
avenue,
will
be
the
major
north
south
transportation,
arterial
from
fern
bank
to
the
queensway.
So
far,
only
a
little
stub
of
the
road
is
built.
So
this
green
part
down
here
at
the
bottom
is
what's
built.
The
rest
is
what
is
still
to
be
built
and
the
lapine
site's
the
little
orange
square
right
there.
So
how
does
traffic
get
to
the
queensway?
C
It
takes
two
transfers
just
to
get
to
tony's,
so
the
transit
area,
the
transit
service
in
this
area,
is
also
pretty
poor,
so
the
site
that
lapin
owns
they're
allowed
to
build
nine
stories
as
of
right,
including
across
the
street,
from
a
row
of
two
town
of
two-story
town
homes.
C
That's
all
in
the
2009
firm
bank,
community
design
plan
and,
as
you've
heard,
they're
also
allowed
to
go
higher
because
under
schedule
d
of
the
official
plan,
it's
within
400
meters
from
a
future
transit
station,
so
they're
totally
justified
in
asking
for
this
height
based
on
the
policy.
But
the
problem
is
despite
the
thousands
of
homes
already
being
built
and
built
already,
and
despite
the
tens
of
millions
of
dollars
collected
in
development
charges,
robert
grant
is
nowhere
near
to
be
finished
and
that
promised
transit
station
is
at
least
2031
or
beyond.
C
So
you
know,
no
wonder.
Residents
are
frustrated
with
this
process.
I
can
totally
understand
that.
How
can
we
tell
residents?
This
applicant
is
allowed
more
height,
based
on
proximity
to
transit
when
the
transit's
still
years
away
and
the
arterial
arterial
road
isn't
even
built?
Yet
so
it's
this
problem.
We
have
with
the
planning
where
it's
a
huge
gap
between
when
homes
are
built
and
when
the
roads
and
transit
are
there
to
serve
residents.
So
the
motion
I
introduced
helps
close
this
gap
for
this
lipin
project.
C
In
particular,
they
have
come
to
the
table
with
a
lot
of
improvements
already
based
on
concerns
from
the
community.
The
motion
I've
introduced
goes
a
big
step
further,
it
would
delay
the
construction
of
the
18-story
tower
until
robert
grant
is
open
all
the
way
to
maple
grove.
This
is
important
because
it's
the
last
phase
of
the
road
to
be
built,
so
we're
saying
you
can't
build
the
18-story
tower
until
robert
grant
is
complete
to
the
connection
to
the
queen's
way.
C
It
also
gets
us
a
lot
closer
to
when
the
transit
station
will
actually
be
built,
and
that
was
the
whole
reason
to
allow
extra
health
height
in
the
first
place
and
it'll
get
us
closer
to
when
shops
and
services
are
in
the
way
to
support
these
residents
within
washington,
and
I
do
know
that
this
proposal
is
unpopular.
It
still
will
be
even
with
this
amendment,
but
in
the
bigger
picture.
C
Putting
apartments
and
putting
more
density
close
to
transit
station
is
the
kind
of
trade-off
we're
going
to
need
if
we're
going,
to
stop
pushing
further
and
further
out
into
farm
fields
and
forests
and
taking
action
on
climate
change.
What
we
have
to
do
as
a
council
and
city
staff
now
is
step
up
and
make
sure
we
speed
up
the
timeline
to
connect
transit
to
build
the
roads
and
transport
transportation
infrastructure
that
we
so
badly
need
here
in
stittsville.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
thank
you
and
thank
you
again
to
all
of
the
people
that
participated
with
their
correspondence
and
in
coming
out
today.
I
see
no
other
fans
being
waived.
So
thank
you
for
that.
On
the
zoni
bylaw
amendment
5000
robert
grand
avenue,
formerly
1
000
robert
grand
avenue,
we
do
have
that
technical
amendment
to
the
holding
provision
vice-chair
gower
introduced
it
already.
A
Okay
and
on
the
zoning
by
law,
amendment
for
five
thousand
robert
grant
avenue,
formerly
one
thousand
robber
grant
avenue
as
amended-
is
that
carried.
N
A
Thanks
very
much
everyone
and
thank
you
meister
gower,
you
know
I
know
over
the
past
year.
You
have
really
really
done
a
lot
of
work
on
this
and
I'd
like
to
thank
miguel
tremblay
too
and
miss
lupine,
who
you
know
it's
always
good
when
you
have
developers
who
are
willing
to
listen
to
the
community,
listen
to
our
staff,
and
I
I
know
that
kathy
ragas,
with
the
support
of
aaron
did
a
really
good
job,
but
really
when
you
listen
and
you
can
make
the
changes
that
you
have.
A
You
know
it's
for
some
of
us,
it
could
be
the
envy
of
of
what
we're
trying
to
do
as
well.
So
thank
you
for
that
thanks
everyone.
I
wanted
to.
Let
you
know
that,
since
the
consent
agenda,
when
we
had
the
item
number
six,
which
we
just
kind
of
set
it
aside,
I'm
going
to
have
that
come
before
us
now,
that's
the
one
that
counselor
man
was
wanting
to
speak
to
and
want
a
clarification
on
the
late
breaking
solution.
A
If
you
will
for
the
payback,
and
so
that,
just
to
remind
you,
that's
the
front-ending
report,
preliminary
design
of
the
litrium
road
bank
street
intersection
improvements
and
the
bank
street
widening
south
of
leitrim.
Road
to
john,
is
the
skipper.
Drawing
and
we
had
is
his
counselor
man
back
with.
N
A
I
don't
see
her
okay,
counselor
counselor
pierre.
A
A
Is
he
here,
I
see
him
there
yeah
okay,
so
I
did
get
confirmation,
which
is
why
we
have
this
one
before
us
now
and
not
after
that.
The
conversation
was
had
or
held
between
the
two
of
them
and
that
councilor
man
is
aware
and
and
supportive.
A
And
you
are
as
well,
mr
dufresne
yeah
and
miss
nedden.
Any
comments.
D
No,
madam
chair,
I
think
mr
dufresne
and
a
counselor
we're
able
to
communicate
and
connect
online
and
I
think,
everything's
good
to
go
from
our
end.
Thank
you.
A
Okay,
so
on
this
item
we
have
the
motion
that
fights
your
gower
move
to
do
the
payback
now,
because
there
is
money
available
to
do
so.
Oh
excuse
me,
I
see
a
hand
up
counselor
moffat.
B
Thanks
just
for
the
sake
of
clarity
and
because
we
had
talked
about
this,
but
then
no
real
closure
so
just
to
confirm
this
was
this
is
a
report
that
would
have
we
would
have
paid
them
back
with
the
crude
dc's
over
time,
but
we're
paying
them
back
now
using
some.
I
assume
surplus
funds
out
of
the
network
modifications
program
that
we
don't
need
for
anything
else.
D
Madam
chair,
the
time
frame
for
payback
was
2023
and
the
money
for
the
project
was
approved
by
council
in
2021,
so
the
money
and
funding
is
there.
It
was
just
a
series
of
timing
of
when
the
payback
would
occur.
I'm
going
to
let
miss
hugh
or
frank
mckinney
to
be
able
to
confirm
if
there's
anything
different
from
that
lily.
D
B
A
Yeah
thanks
very
much
scott
for
raising
okay,
so
on
this
item
on
the
amendment
so
on
the
amendment
that
was
moved
by
vice
chair
gower
is
that
carrie
and
on
the
on
the
front-ending
report,
which
I've
introduced
many
times
now
as
amended.
Is
that
carrie
carey?
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
thank
you
here
and
the
next
item
that
you
came
out
for
we've
deferred
it
to
the
next
meeting.
Sorry
we
have
it.
Sorry,
hang
on
I've
got
the
I've
reordered
all
my
stuff,
so.
A
A
Thank
you
thanks
very
much.
So
the
next
item
up
is
not
6429,
renault
road,
because
we
preferred
that
item.
So
let
me
just
see
where
we
are.
A
Is
that
right,
ms
stephanie,
correct?
Okay?
Okay,
so
we
have
speakers
in
support
and
and
against,
and
we
have-
and
this
is
in
councillor
fleury's
award.
So
we
do
have
a
motion.
Do
we
have
anybody
moving
that
motion?
Yet
that's
it.
I've.
E
Flurry
yeah,
so
thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
counselor
libra.
So
there
are,
as
you
can
see
in
my
comments.
There
are
three
section
I'm
focused
on
one
with
this
motion
here,
which
is
the
privacy
between
four
and
six
range
and
basically
asking
that
the
applicant
put
in
a
privacy
fence,
and
I
I'm
flexible
to
the
warding.
It
doesn't
need
to
be
wooden.
It
could
be
a
tree,
but
certainly
just
putting
that
on
the
table,
that
we
are
looking
for
a
privacy
fence
between
four
and
six
range.
A
Okay,
thank
you
for
introducing
that
all
right,
I'll
call
the
the
speakers
forward.
Now.
Our
first
speaker
is
mr
barry
padalski
and
who
has
sent
in
comments
just
earlier.
I
think
it
was
maybe
monday
barry.
Are
you
here.
H
Nice
to
be
here-
and
I
keep
my
presentations
to
planning
committee
very,
very
sparingly,
such
as
the
shadow
laurier,
and
this
happens
to
be
something
in
my
backyard
and
I
live
at
eight
range
road
and
I
just
in
the
heritage
conservation
district,
and
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
the
proposal
for
the
intensification
of
this
property
conversion
from
from
a
diploma
diplomatic
mission
to
a
residential.
I
support
it's,
not
a
question
of.
I
want
it
in
my
backyard.
H
What
I'm
concerned
about
in
discussions
with
councillor
fleury
is
that
in
the
heritage
conservation
district
attached
to
this
building,
designed
by
one
of
canada's
premier,
architects,
coburn
meredith,
who
is
on
the
auto
improvement
commission,
the
proposed
wooden
fire
escape
is
really
a
terrible
eyesore
in
the
heritage
conservation
district.
And
I
would
hope
that
planning
committee
could
modify
the
staff
recommendation
to
approve
to
have
the
owner
and
their
architects
redesign
the
fire
escape
to
be
in
metal
and
to
move
it
to
the
back
of
the
property.
H
It
disfigures
quite
a
beautiful
stone
and
brick
facade,
and
I
also
just
want
to
say
I
support
the
motion
or
the
amendment
that
has
been
put
forward
to
do
a
privacy
fence,
not
that
it
affects
me
personally,
but
I
think
that
the
people
next
door
at
six
range
would
benefit
from
that.
So
there's
my
very
brief
presentation
and
it's
actually
nice
to
see
all
of
your
smiling
faces.
A
Yes,
nice
to
see
you
too,
barry
been
a
long
time
since
the
champlain
room,
as
I
said
before,
we
get
started
today.
H
A
A
A
L
Thank
you
chair,
so
susan
young,
I'm
the
president
of
action
sandy
hill,
like
barry,
I
will
be
very
brief.
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
certainly
action
sandy
hill
supports
this
application,
feels
it
will
meet
a
housing
need
in
the
neighborhood
and
it's
a
sympathetic
conversion,
especially
for
heritage
conservation
districts,
of
which
we
have
a
number.
L
This
cannot
be
said
for
the
majority
of
the
other
applications
we
see
in
our
neighborhood,
so
we're
happy
to
support
it.
We
do
also
support,
though
the
the
asks
from
barry
and
the
counselor
on
the
stairs.
Please
for
the
heritage.
Look
and
the
privacy
fence-
and
I
understand
as
well
there'll
be
something
raised
about
a
curb
cut,
certainly
support
all
of
those,
and
these
are
easy
fixes
we
feel
for
the
applicant
and
that's
it.
Thank
you
very
much.
A
Next
up,
we
have
chris
john
again
follow
up,
and
this
is
the
applicant.
So
I
don't
know
whether
chris
you're
speaking.
B
Sure,
thanks
for
having
me
yeah,
I'm
I'm
one
of
two
owners
of
the
of
the
building
just
wanted
to
to
share
some
comments,
because
we
had
received
some
feedback
regarding
the
staircase,
unfortunately,
due
to
the
orientation
of
the
building
and
the
proposed
density
inside
the
building,
the
units
run
east
west
and
so
therefore
access
to
the
and
to
clarify
before
I
move.
D
B
B
Secondly,
like
I
said
the
the
building
runs
east
west,
so
the
apartments
are
kind
of
stacked,
east-west
on
either
side
of
the
building.
So
moving
the
staircase
to
the
back
of
the
building.
It
is
impossible
to
offer
access
to
all
the
apartments
that
would
be
needing
that
access
so
that
that
basically
is
impossible,
and
then
I,
the
other
thing
I
wanted
to
note,
is
that
I
submitted
a
letter.
We
are.
We
did
review
some
of
the
feedback
about
the
staircase
in
in
detail.
B
We
submitted
a
letter
last
night
from
the
architect
just
stating
a
few
reasons
why
it's
not
feasible
to
go,
go
to
metal
for
that
structure
and
some
some
of
it
is
structural
and
then
the
other
part
of
it
is
just
that.
You
know:
we've
run
through
all
this
heritage
six
months
ago
and
through
staff
and
everyone
was
satisfied
and
it
meets
the
heritage
planning
requirements.
So
just
wanted
to
state
that,
on
the
record
and
here
to
answer
any
questions,
if
anything
else
comes
up.
A
A
Okay,
well,
thank
you
chris.
Let
me
just
see
I
had
you
counsel
leave
or
has
a
question.
J
B
Yes,
sorry,
I
missed
that
point
yeah,
we're
open
to
that.
I
believe
the
neighbor
is
not
it's
a
there's
a
tree
line
along
that
property
line
that
they're
shared
trees.
B
It
was
recommended
by
the
forestry
department
of
ottawa
not
to
remove
those
trees
and
also
through
our
tree
conservation
report
that
was
submitted
in
our
application
and
that
that's
why
there's
not
a
privacy
fence
there
we'd
prefer
not
to
remove
that
greenery,
but
I'm
not
I'm
not
opposed
to
it,
but
it
would
require
cooperation
from
neighbors
and
cutting
down
several
large
mature
trees
in
the
neighborhood,
which
is
against
what
most
most
feedback
is
that
that's
not
wanted.
J
A
Well,
I
see
mr
james
is
shaking
his
head
in
agreement
with
what
you
were
saying:
counselor
leaper.
I
don't
see
any
other
questions
there
for
you
christopher,
so
thank
you
for
coming.
Oh,
do
you
have
a
question
of
christopher
no
okay.
Thank
you
christopher,
for
coming
up
today,
so
we'll
go
over
now.
Does
anyone
on
the
committee
want
to
speak
before
councillor
fleury?
This
is
now
questions
of
staff,
council,
hubley,.
F
Thank
you
chair,
I'm
hoping
to
get
a
comment
from
either
councilor
leaper
councillor
fleury
on
this
new
information
that
the
neighbors
may
not
want
this
fence
and
that
it
would
involve
removal
of
trees,
which
is
something
we
always
try
to
avoid
at
at
every
opportunity.
E
Correct
correct,
councilor
lieber:
the
intention
is
to
certainly
not
remove
trees,
but
to
do
provide
a
privacy
fence.
We
have
been
in
contact
with
a
number
of
tenants
in
the
building
at
in
the
adjacent
building
and
obviously
their
main
entrance
in
is
on
the
north
wall
and
the
number
of
of
new
doors
to
the
southern
facade
of
this
building
is
five
doors.
E
I
believe
so
the
intent
here
and
I'm
glad
to
amend
my
motion,
but
we
are
looking
for
a
green
privacy
fence
that
would
retain
the
trees
but
but
does
create
a
privacy
buffer
between
the
two
properties,
and
I
I
believe
I
have.
I
have
spoken
to
the
applicant's
other
partner
who
was
comply.
Who
was
in
favor
of
that?
So
I
hope
that
that
that
that
can
can
be
implemented.
A
Well,
we
do
have
the
flurry
motion
that
counselor
leaper
has
put
on
the
table
at
the
beginning
of
the
conversation.
F
But
it
references
a
wooden
fence
and
suggests
to
me
that
everybody's
in
favor
of
this
and
and
now
we've
heard
from
one
of
the
owners
that
that
may
not
be
the
case
and
councilor
fleury
is
suggesting
that
he's
not
committed
to
the
wooden
fence
that
he's
open
to
other
ideas.
And
so
I'm
just
wondering
if
that's
going
to
get
in
the
motion,
because
I'd
hate
to
vote
for
this
motion
that
says
a
wooden
fence
and
and
then
the
owners
be
obligated
to
build
that
fence
up.
E
Man,
I'm
sure,
could
I
suggest
a
path
forward
so
that
we
don't
get
caught
here
in
the
motion.
E
Yes,
would
staff
look
at
working
with
the
applicant
to
enable
a
a
a
green
planting
that
adds
privacy
but
doesn't
impact
the
existing
trees
on
that
southern
line?.
E
I
I'm
fine
if,
if
planning
staff
are
willing
to
implement
it,.
O
I
don't
see
a
problem
with
that,
if
the
applicant's
also
willing
to
to
move
in
that
direction,.
A
Happened
is
rather
than
a
motion.
We
have
a
direction
that
you
and
and
your
co-owner
work
with
the
planner
jc
renault,
to
see
whether
that
you
can
add
green
to
provide
a
privacy
without
disturbing
any
of
the
trees,
with
the
compliance
of
the
people.
The
neighbors.
J
B
Although
some
exit
stairs
are
being
added
on
that
side
of
the
building,
the
primary
entrances
are
actually
on
the
other
side
of
the
building.
But
I
agree,
you
know
some.
Maybe
some
privacy
in
terms
of
greenery
could
be
done
and
that's
a
lot
easier
to
do
than
and
and
less
disturbance
for
the
trees
for
sure.
A
Good
back
over
to
you,
I
think,
and
now
oh,
my
hang
on
counselor
flurry.
Counselor
fuji
has
a
question.
E
A
D
Not
captured
in
the
second
part
of
the
of
the
recommendations
that
planning
committee
returned
delegated
authority
to
staff
for
further
changes
to
the
approved
plans,
conditions
and
reports.
It's
pretty
general,
but
I
think
and
there's
a
willingness
here
on
the
applicant,
the
planner
and
and
counselor
fleury
to
to
find
a
solution.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
and
thank
you
for
your
help
here
and,
and
I
think
we
we
did
take
a
good,
an
important
step.
I
am
no
heritage
expert
and
I
want
to
thank
heritage
staff
for
their
involvement
through
that
there
will
continue
to
be
discussions
on
elements
of
character
and
materials.
So
I
I
will.
I
will
allow
that
conversation
to
continue
to
open
and
and
not
rest
on
this
application.
E
I
did
make
that
as
a
comment,
and
I
I
think
it's
it
is
up
for
interpretation
and
obviously
I've
made
my
position
on
that
clear.
The
issue
I
wanted
to
raise
to
committee
is
is
and
and
a
question
to
staff
is
relating
to
curb
cuts,
so
you
know
being
knee-deep
into
reading
the
op
documents
and
and
the
various
documents
over
the
years.
E
We
have
goals
to
reduce
the
amount
of
curb
cuts,
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
developments
through
that,
and
I
want
to
thank
planning
staff
for
heading
that
direction,
we're
seeing
usually
much
more
friendly
landscaping
and
and
much
more
standard
and
accessible
sidewalks
because
of
it.
I've
come
across
an
operation
issue
and
I
would
love
to
understand
how
planning
staff
worked
through.
We
are
told
by
solid
waste
staff
that
if,
if
no
curb
cuts
exist
on
a
property,
then
there
is
no
say
public
waste
pickup.
E
So
there
appears
to
be
a
bit
of
a
gap
in
it.
I
want
obviously
we're
in
zoom
world,
so
maybe
it's
lost
into
the
emails,
but
my
interpretation
is
unclear
as
to
how
do
we
ensure
that
the
planning
policy
goals
of
removing
curb
cuts
can
actually
live
in
in
in
practice?
As
the
operations
team
has
seen
to
to
highlight
a
barrier
here.
O
Madam
chair,
I
can
fill
this
one.
I
think
it's
important
to
make
a
difference
in
this
case
between
this
property,
which
is
a
modification
to
an
existing
situation,
as
opposed
to
a
brand
new
development
and
a
brand
new
curb
cut.
So
what
we're
faced
with
here
is
an
existing
driveway
with
an
existing
curb
cut,
and
I'd
also
like
to
point
out
that
the
applicant
had
accepted
to
reinstate
a
portion
of
the
front
yard,
which
was
previously
used
as
front
yard
parking.
O
So
we
are
seeing
an
improvement,
a
definitive
improvement
in
the
front
yard
situation
on
this
property.
What
remains,
or
it
was
proposed
to
remain-
is
an
existing
driveway.
An
existing
curb
cut
that
is
permitted
to
exist
on
a
property
such
as
this
one.
What
the
counselor
is
referring
to
in
terms
of
waste
collection
is
one
of
their
requirements
that
exists,
that
they
need
a
curb
cut
in
order
to
roll
their
waste
bins
out
onto
the
street.
O
Necessarily
a
curb
cut
for
waste
purposes
does
not
need
to
be
as
wide
as
a
driveway,
but
so
it
could
be
as
wide
as
a
pathway,
because
that
that
is
what's
required
for
waste
management.
But
in
this
case
we
did
not
think
it
was
worthwhile
to
ask
the
applicant
to
reinstate
an
entire
driveways
width
of
a
curb
cut
in
this
situation,
because
it
was
an
existing
one
and-
and
one
last
thing
I
want
to
add-
is
reinstating
the
curb
cut
in
this
situation.
O
D
And
madame
sheriff,
I
may
add
two:
there
is
a
driveway
there
today
and
the
driveway
is
intended
to
stay
and
having
that
driver
will
allow
vehicles
for
deliveries
to
come
in
people
to
move
in
people
to
move
out
of
the
apartment
building
and,
as
mr
renault
had
said,
there
is
a
actually
there
is
a
there
is
a
fire
hydrant
there
and
visiting
the
site.
D
My
site
check,
there's
also
no
parking
on
that
side
so
and
having
this
curb
cut
in
that
driveway
makes
it
a
better
situation
for
people
moving
in
and
moving
out
and
for
deliveries.
Because,
there's,
as
I
said,
there's
no
parking
on
the
street.
A
And
doug,
while
I
have
your
attention
there,
can
you
just
clarify
whether
or
not
the
suggestion
that
counselor
kluche
made
that
item
number
two
or
number
two
captures
the
essence
of
the
consideration
and
work
with
for
the
added
privacy
along
the
trees
existing
without
needing
a
formal
direction?
Would
that
be
included
in
that
or
is
it.
D
My
opinion
and
listening
to
the
counselor
madam
chair
is
yes.
If
delegate
authority
goes
back
to
staff,
we
can
look
at
putting
some
more
green
greenery
along
there
other
trees.
There
are
three
very
mature
white
pines
there
now,
along
with
cedar
trees,
so
there's
a
good
opportunity
to
plant
more
vegetation
along
there
if
delegated
authority
is
given
back.
So
I
would
have
to
tim
mark
might
want
to
say
something,
but
I
I
would
have
to
say
yes,
I
would
agree
with
the
counselor.
A
E
You
know,
and-
and
thank
you
for
that-
and
I'm
sure
I
want
to
thank
both
jc
and
doug
on
the
actual
application.
I
I'm
still
raising
the
flag
on
the
policy,
though
so,
if
they're,
what
if
we
have
infills
and
they
remove
curb
cuts
or
if
we
have
new
buildings
where
there's
no
driveways,
there
seems
to
be
an
anomaly
where
solid
waste
is
saying:
well
wait
a
minute.
We
can't
serve
this,
but
private
contractors
will
pick
up
even
if
it's
raised
curbs.
E
D
A
sudden,
perhaps
madam
chair
may
be
a
formal
inquiry
and
then
a
response
could
be
provided
to
the
counselor
as
a
wrap
up.
That
would
be
great
thanks.
Counselor,
that.
A
Would
be
good,
so
kelsey
fleury
we're
almost
at
the
end
of
well.
We
you
know,
can
you.
E
I'll
write
a
an
inquiry
and
send
it
to
melody
for
committee
for
committee
or
for
staff
to
look
at.
Thank
you.
A
We'll
put
it
on
the
next
meeting,
which
is
the
27th
of
may
okay,
perfect.
Okay,
I
don't
see
any
other
hands
waving
or
any
other
kind
of
getting
my
attention.
A
Having
said
that,
we
have
the
site
plan
control
before
us
for
four
range
road
and
we
don't
have
the
need
to
have
the
motion
any
longer.
So
on
this
item,
is
it
carry.
D
A
Varied
thanks
very
much.
I
think
that
that
is
it
correct,
ms
stephanie,
it
is
so
folks
we
have.
Our
next
meeting
is
may
the
27th,
and
I
would
imagine
it
it-
has
the
potential
of
going
a
bit
longer
than
this
one
or
a
lot
longer
or
the
same.
A
But
if
I
can
give
you
a
heads
up
in
advance,
I
will
try
to
do
that.
Okay,
thank
you
for
your
attention.
Everyone!
Thank
you
for
all
of
those
who
aren't
on
the
committee
that
came
out
today
as
well
and
to
all
the
staff
thanks,
miss
neden
and
your
team.