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Ottawa City Council – Wednesday, September 9, 2020 – Video Stream
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A
A
C
D
E
F
F
Oh
no,
I
would
hate
oh
hey
at
least
I
don't
have
any
carbs,
because
then
I
would
be
falling
asleep
here
we
go
so.
The
next
item
is
the
application
to
alter
175
main
street.
Hang
on.
I
put
my
thing
back
up.
I
had
to
fight
to
get
back
in
line
too
so
application
to
alter
175
main
street.
The
de
chatlant
building
a
property
designated
part
4
of
the
ontario
heritage
act,
we're
going
to
have
a
presentation
combined
on
items
2
3
and
by
the
heritage,
planner,
patrick
and
jc
renault.
H
F
That's
weird,
then.
The
next
item
is
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
for
205,
scholastic
drive
and
the
third
item
so
item
number
four:
is
the
zoning
by-law
amendment
360
to
chatela
avenue
so,
as
I
said,
we're
going
to
have
a
short
presentation
on
the
three.
We
have
a
lot
of
speakers
on
the
three
and
so
are
you.
F
I
F
Okay,
just
so,
you
know
feel
free
to
jump
into
the
answers
as
needed
as
well.
I
don't
know
if
you're
in
the
same
space
as
everybody
else,
but
whatever
works.
So
let's
go
ahead
with
the
five
minute
presentation.
Hopefully,
five
minutes
from
miss
fitzpatrick
j.c
renault.
The
floor
is
yours.
Thank
you.
E
E
The
property
is
located
in
the
community
of
old
onwa
east
located
between
main
street
and
the
rideau
river
in
the
gravestone
village
subdivision
next
slide.
This
is
the
heritage
building
it's
designated
under
par
four
of
the
heritage
act.
It
was
constructed
in
1885
as
a
scholastic
kit
for
the
oblates
of
mary
immaculate,
a
missionary
order.
E
E
Next,
the
alterations
are
proposed
to
accommodate
the
adaptive
reuse
of
the
primary
portion
of
the
building
into
a
mixed-use
facility,
which
would
include
an
elementary
school,
a
community
center
and
future
residential
uses.
The
building
has
been
vacant
since
2016
and
various
opportunities
for
adaptive
reuse
have
been
explored
throughout
the
process.
The
chapel
has
presented
a
significant
challenge:
the
adapter
reuse,
due
to
its
narrow
configuration
layout,
construction
and
structural
integrity.
E
Staff
are
recommending
approval
of
the
heritage
application
as
it
conserves
the.
Thank
you
next
slide.
Just
the
one
showing
the
the
full
building
staff
are
recommending
approval
of
the
heritage
application
as
it
conserves
the
overall
cultural
heritage,
value
of
the
building
itself.
The
application
will
facilitate
the
rehabilitation
and
adaptive
reuse
of
the
most
significant
portion
of
the
building
and
ensure
the
long-term
preservation
of
the
heritage
resource
next
slide
in
terms
of
process.
E
As
we
mentioned,
there's
a
heritage
permit
application
and
zoning
vinyl
amendment
in
front
of
you
today
and
as
well
a
letter
of
understanding
between
recreation
services
and
the
school
board,
which
will
be
brought
forward
to
council
in
october
and
kevin
weary
is
here
to
answer
any
questions
related
to
that
I'll.
Now,
pass
it
on
to
saeed
saya
manager,
development,
review
of
central
who
can
speak
to
the
zoning.
J
J
Secondly,
it
will
modify
the
performance
standards
to
allow
for
parking
off-site
and
to
permit
additional
projections
above
the
allowable
height
limit
and
then
third
we're
placing
a
holding
zone
on
the
on
the
site
as
well
until
such
time
that
we've
received
a
building
permit
for
school
or
community
use
or
an
agreement's
been
entered
into
with
a
school
or
community
use
for
for
use
on
the
subject
property.
The
next
slide,
please,
oh
next
slide.
J
Now,
madam
chair,
you
mentioned
another
application.
We
we
have
also
before
us
a
zoning
amendment
for
360
de
chatelet.
This
is
a
nine-story
35
unit
apartment
building,
and
in
this
case
we
are
recommending
three
rather
minor
adjustments
to
the
zoning
boiler
to
accommodate
the
site
and,
as
you
can
see
here
where
the
star
is
on
the
location
plan,
it's
it's
a
it's.
An
awkward
shaped
parcel
just
in
front
of
the
sort
of
to
the
southwest
of
the
other
property
next
slide.
J
J
Okay,
so
in
this
case
the
zoning's
been
amended
to
do
mainly
two
things
to
accommodate
the
proposed
building.
First
is
to
allow
an
interior
side
yard
of
approximately
three
meters
and
also
to
allow
a
washroom
to
be
considered
as
a
projection
above
the
required
height
limit.
There
are
other
projections
allowed
within
the
roof,
but
a
washroom
is
not
one
of
them.
Next
slide.
J
Oh
next
slide
yep!
Thank
you.
So
these
are
just
some
other
views
of
the
site
plan,
and
here
you
can
see
the
elevation
of
the
building
so
again
for
the
projection.
There
are
other,
you
know:
mechanical
spaces,
elevator
room
are
allowed
up
there,
but
a
washroom
is
not
a
permitted
projection
above
that.
So
again,
this
is
a
fairly
minor
zoning
amendment
for
360
dish
actually
and
that
that
concludes
my
presentation.
F
F
F
K
K
K
We
tried
to
express
to
the
city
the
grave
concerns
from
several
of
the
senior
oblate
men
about
this
turn
of
events.
They
were
already
devastated
by
the
requirement
to
reposition
their
cemetery,
to
gatineau,
to
make
space
for
regionals
plans,
and
even
more
so
when
it
was
discovered
that
a
number
of
unmarked
graves
came
up
during
site
excavation.
K
I'm
sorry.
Madam,
but
we
were
just
confused
that
all
these
planning
and
documents
appear
to
have
put
no
effort
into
planning
they're
all
about
development,
nothing
about
history
and
heritage,
nothing
about
the
most
effective
use
of
the
space
for
social
housing
needs
nothing
about
the
needs
of
the
children
in
an
educational
environment
and
their
hand.
We
are
also
looking
for
long-term
engagement
of
a
community
association,
and
I
think
that's
that's
key.
K
We
think
the
city
staff
in
the
city
can
do
better
and
I
think
you'll
show
us
on
this
file.
Previously,
we
sent
a
note
to
mr
renault
concerning
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
for
the
above
knows
site
a
zbla
request,
which
we
have
to
admit.
We
found
somewhat
confusing
the
core
of
the
concern.
The
current
zoning
in
question
does
not
allow
a
mixed
use
facility
that
would
include
a
school.
K
Further,
as
I've
already
noted,
we
have
not
heard
any
clear
and
positive
information
about
the
school
board's
request
for
authority
to
what
amounts
to
a
podium
whether
or
not
this
requires
provincial
agreement
or
not.
We
believe
that
the
sequencing
of
events
to
de-designate
a
part
of
the
scholastica
would
see
a
number
of
these
steps
having
to
occur
first
before
any
request
for
lifting
the
heritage
status
or
approving
a
demolition
permit
should
be
considered.
K
None
of
this
was
presented
to
the
old
auto
by
east
community
association
to
the
oblates,
nor
to
the
city.
At
the
time,
the
property
is
being
considered
for
sales,
regionally
that
company's
senior
home
already
exceeds
what
we
believe
to
be
a
height
restriction
to
avoid
overshadowing
the
existing
heritage
building
and
impeding
its
perspective.
K
K
F
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
scott.
Councilman
art
has
the
question
for
you.
I'm
sorry
that
we're
not
going
to.
We
don't
have
a
system
that
allows
me
to
go
to
the
staff
to
comment
directly
to
you,
but
we'll
catch
up
on
that.
After
all,
the
speakers
have
spoken
so
council
monarch,
questions.
Please
thanks.
D
Very
much
chair
and
I'll
keep
it
quick
thanks,
mr
scott,
for
being
here,
I
know
we're
not
exactly
on
the
same
full
wavelength
on
this
one,
but
I
did
want
to
reassure
you
because
one
of
your
questions
at
build
heritage
subcommittee
and
from
that
was
what
kind
of
teeth
we'd
have
going
forward
to
ensure
that
the
other
elements
were
getting
built
in
a
process
that
was
appropriate
and
I'll.
Be
bringing
a
motion
today.
D
D
Mr
scox,
I
know
you've
been
active
on
this
and
that
the
questions
you've
asked
have
helped
to
perform.
You
know
to
alleviate
some
of
the
concerns
that
I've
had
through
the
questions
and
answers
I've
received
back
from
from
staff
through
you,
so
thank
you
for
all
you've
done
and
appreciate
you
being
here
and
you'll
see
that
motion
shortly.
I'm
not
sure.
Madam
chair,
you
want
me
to
read
that
out
now
write.
D
Okay,
so
the
motion
is,
whereas
the
report
recommends
approval
of
an
application
of
the
ontario
heritage
to
alter
the
existing
building
at
175
main
street,
which
includes
removal
of
the
chapel
wing
and
whereas
the
proposed
alterations
are
associated
with
the
conversion
of
the
primary
portion
of
the
day,
chatelain
building
into
a
mixed-use
facility,
which
would
include
an
elementary
school,
a
potential
community
center
and
potential
residential
uses,
and
whereas
additional
measures
should
be
taken
to
ensure
the
long-term
adaptive.
Reuse
of
the
building,
therefore
be
it
result.
F
I
Okay
thanks
very
much
good
afternoon,
madam
chair
and
members
of
the
planning
committee.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
this
agenda.
Item
you've
already
introduced
me,
so
I've
saved
20
seconds
the
day
chatelet
building
is
the
heart
of
the
central
district
of
old
ottawa.
East
was
built
before
the
original
village
was
incorporated
and
features
prominently
in
many
of
the
early
pictures
of
the
of
the
community.
I
I
We
were
happy
to
hear
during
tuesday's
meeting
of
the
built
heritage
subcommittee
of
councillor
menard's
efforts
to
work
with
staff
to
find
wording
that
will
provide
those
assurances
and
we
look
forward
to
hearing
the
results
of
these
discussions
before
reaching
a
final
position
and
councillor
menard
has
just
read
out
the
conditions,
I'm
afraid
my
shorthand
is
not
adequate.
So
I
didn't
copy
it
all
down,
but
we
would
indeed
have
time
to
look
at
that.
I
D
Thanks
very
much,
madam
chair,
thanks
for
being
here
ron.
My
my
question
is
actually
around
your
comment
at
the
very
end
and
it's
another
motion,
madam
chair,
and
I
guess
we're
off
in
process
here,
but
it's
another
motion
to
speak
to
the
commemoration
that
mr
rose
has
spoken
about,
so
maybe
I'll
get
that
on
the
agenda
as
well.
Right
now,
if
that
makes
sense
to
you.
D
Yes,
go
ahead:
okay,
it's!
Whereas
the
report
recommends
approval
of
an
application
under
ontario
jack
to
the
existing
building
of
175
main
street,
which
includes
the
removal
of
the
chapel
wing
and
whereas
the
proposed
alterations
are
associated
with
the
conversion
of
the
primary
portion
of
the
day,
chalet
building
into
a
mixed
use
facility,
which
would
include
an
elementary
school,
a
potential
community
center
of
potential
residential
uses
and
therefore
be
resolved.
D
F
G
The
chatterley
building
was
constructed
in
1885
as
a
scholastic
gate
for
the
oblates
of
mary
immaculate.
As
the
order
grew,
the
facility
was
altered
and
enlarged
with
two
new
wings
added
in
the
north
and
south.
In
1925,
a
five-story
wing
was
added
in
1950,
which
includes
the
two-story
chapel
an
early
example
of
the
work
of
canadian
modernist
architect,
luigi
lapierre.
The
design
is
characteristic
of
a
french
modernist
and
features
concrete
construction
with
buttress-like
columns
and
a
vaulted
ceiling
heritage.
G
We
were
pleased
when
the
coincide
as
they
called
catholic
du
santoreste,
expressed
an
interest
in
adapting
the
building
for
use
as
a
school.
Such
use
would
only
preserve
its
heritage
attributes
what
would
be
in
keeping
with
the
property
statement
of
cultural
heritage
value.
A
letter
of
understanding
is
under
development
between
the
cecce
and
the
city
about
the
potential
inclusion
of
a
community
recreational,
a
community
center
inside
the
chatelet
building
and
a
new
gymnasium
structure
on
the
north
side
of
the
property.
G
G
After
a
careful
reading
of
the
documentation
associated
with
this
application,
we
are
not
convinced
that
either
the
applicant
or
the
city
have
made
a
persuasive
argument
to
justify
the
demolition
of
the
chapel
wing
heritage.
Ottawa
believes
that,
under
these
circumstances,
the
demolition
is
premature.
G
If
the
school
has
no
requirement
for
the
chapel
wing
at
this
time,
why
not
stable
it
stabilize
it
while
the
city
further
considers
its
option
or
the
current
owner
tries
to
find
another
partner
to
enable
them
to
live
up
to
their
commitment
to
preserve
the
building
made
over
five
years
ago?
One
minute
the
chapel
wing
is
essentially
structurally
sound
and
now
low
its
preservation
may
be
costly.
G
G
F
D
G
G
I
think
we
would
have
to
look
at
that
if,
if
we
were
convinced
that
that
was,
there
was
no
other
option.
I
don't
think,
though,
that
the
owners
should
have
given
up
on
it
so
quickly
they
have
developed
much
of
the
property
already,
and
you
know
I'm
thinking
of
you
know
the
example
that
the
city
had
with
the
sisters
of
the
visitation
con
convent
on
richmond
road,
where
ashcroft
housing
was
ashcroft,
was
able
to
go
ahead
and
build
much
of
their
new
development.
G
F
A
A
Secondly,
you
and
all
decision
makers
must
understand-
I
mean
simply
stated
there
are
not
major
structural
issues
with
the
chapel
wing
of
the
heritage
designated
the
shadow
lake
building
accordingly
and
appropriately,
the
chapel
wing
and
the
heritage
protected
interior
of
the
second
floor.
Chapel
should
be
repurposed
and
not
demolished.
A
A
On
tuesday,
the
applicant's
architect
spoke
about
egg
cartons
and
mr
lormer
provided
a
cross-section
drawing
of
the
chapel
wing
dated
september
27
2016.
that
cross-section
was
not
previously
made
public
would
have
been
very
helpful
in
the
assessment
of
the
chapel
wing.
In
my
opinion,
this
drawing
complete
with
the
height
measurements
reinforces
the
viability
of
repurposing
the
chopper
wing.
The
chapel
wing
is
a
perfect
location
for
a
community
center
and
recreational
uses
on
the
levels
one
and
two
and
the
fourth
and
fifth
floors
are
perfect
locations
for
such
much
needed,
affordable
housing.
A
A
F
L
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
My
name
is
kelly
roganizer
with
the
regional
group
and
we're
the
applicant
for
the
demolition
of
the
chatelet
chapel
wing.
I
brought
my
team
with
me
to
provide
additional
details
and
I
address
technical
issues
that
you
might
have
on
our
applications.
So
we
have
doug
vanderham
from
hobit
architecture.
L
L
I'm
going
to
provide
you
with
a
very
brief
background
and
context
onto
why
we're
requesting
the
demolition
of
the
chapel
wing
that
was
built
in
the
1950s
by
the
in-house
team
of
the
obatz
fathers
who
undertook
the
construction
themselves
over
the
last
five
years.
Regional
has
worked
with
several
potential
users
and
purchasers
to
try
to
repurpose
the
de
chatelet
building.
L
Sorry
is
that
okay,
jan
yeah
go
ahead.
Sorry
sorry
entered
into
a
conditional
purchase
and
sales
agreement
for
the
cecce
to
purchase
the
chatelais
building,
finalize
negotiations
with
the
city
parks
and
rec
department
to
build
a
full-size
gymnasium
and
a
community
center
and
demolish
the
chapel
wing.
The
school
board
prior
to
entering
into
this
aps
determined
they
did
not
require
the
chapel
space
for
programming
or
for
the
school,
nor
could
they
find
any
suitable
user
to
repurpose
the
chapel
wing
and
associated
spaces.
L
The
current
plan
that's
being
proposed
is
that
adelaide
on
the
ground
floor
half
would
be
used
for
the
city
for
community
center
and
the
other
half
for
a
school.
The
second
and
third
floor
would
be
for
the
exclusive
use
of
the
school
and
the
fourth
and
fifth
floor
would
be
for
the
potential
affordable
residential
units.
L
Now,
questions
were
raised
at
the
heritage
committee
about
what
would
happen
if
the
aps
of
the
chapel,
with
the
aps,
with
the
cece,
if
the
chapel
wing
wasn't
demolished,
my
response
was
it
had
not
been
contemplated
and
we
would
need
to
discuss
further.
I
wanted
to
provide
planning
committee
clarity,
after
speaking
with
our
owners.
L
L
L
F
F
D
F
D
Yeah
that
this
is
a
have
you
to
work
together
to
see
about
commemorating
the
space
within
the
the
building
that
remains
and
commemorate
the
the
chapel
within
that
building.
There's
requests
from
the
community
to
do
this.
Some
stained
glass
windows
are
going
to
be
kept
as
many
as
possible.
This
adds
to
that
to
say
there
should
be
more
of
a
commemoration
of
the
space
within
the
community.
F
D
D
Yes,
thank
you,
and
so
I
do
have
just
some
wrap
up
comments
thanks.
Madam
chair.
This
is
not
a
an
easy
one
overall,
but
this
is
really
part
of
an
important
step
towards
the
construction
of
a
community
center.
You
know
a
school,
affordable,
housing
units
within
the
day,
chevrolet
building
that
will
return
life
and
community
utility
to
this
historic
site.
I
do
regret
the
removal
of
the
chapel
wing,
and
I
know
how
attached
many
members
of
the
community
are
to
it.
D
One
of
the
key
concerns
for
some
in
the
community
is
that
there
does
need
to
be
more
teeth.
I
think
we've
achieved
that,
so
you
know.
For
these
reasons,
I
support
this.
I
hope
you
will
too.
I
have
a
lot
of
work
ahead
of
me,
as
does
regional
the
school
board,
the
city
and
och,
to
make
all
this
a
reality,
but
that
is
moving
in
the
right
direction
and
I
have
faith
and
trust
we're
gonna
get
that
done.
So
I
appreciate
your
your
time
today
and
hope.
You'll
support
this
item.
F
Thank
you
very
much
so
on
the
two
motions
that
we
know
about
the
one
that
adds
the
holding
symbol:
that
staff
support
that
is
being
moved
on
council
bernard's
behalf
by
councillor
lieber,
is
that
carrie
married
barry
and
on
the
commemoration
motion
carried
as
well
perfect
and
on
the
report
as
amended.
Okay,
perfect.
Okay,
now
we're
going
on
to
item
number
three,
which
is
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
for
205
scholastic
drive.
We
have
a
lot
of
speakers
on
this
as
well.
F
We
have
representatives
from
a
called
elementaire
catholic
ocor,
dodge
wah,
and
also
the
it's
board
so,
but
ron
rose
is
at
the
top
of
the
list
so
ron
you
go
first
you're
the
interim.
Well,
I
already
told
everybody
who
you
were
about
the
interim
chair
planning
committee:
oh
water,
eastern
association
ron.
I
The
conversion
of
the
de
chatelet
building
into
a
mixed
use
facility,
which
would
include
a
school
community
center
and
affordable
housing.
We
support
the
first
requested
relief,
which
would
promote
the
building's
use
as
a
school,
and
we
would
be
pleased
to
see
the
building
return
to
its
original
function
as
a
school
astricate.
I
I
There's
a
statement
on
page
seven
of
the
report
that
says
the
requested
relief
would
bring
the
zoning
into
conformity
with
the
secondary
plan.
As
per
the
lpat
decision.
We
just
require
some
clarification
on
what
that
actually
means
reduced
interior
side
yard.
We
agree
to
the
proposal
on
this
aspect
on
the
understanding
that
it
regularizes
the
existing
situation
of
the
building
regarding
the
request
for
permission
to
sever
the
land.
I
I
I
I
B
You
very
much
madam
chair
for
having
me
I'm
I'm
a
father,
a
parent
of
two
boys
who
are
now
at
ottawa
and
I've
been
a
member
of
the
school
council
since
its
inception
in
2017,
and
I
would
like
to
express
the
favor
for
this
project
from
for
the
rezoning
to
move
forward.
The
school
is
a
wonderful
school.
B
It's
the
the
benefit
that
the
school
brings
to
the
community
surpasses
my
expectations
before
my
children
actually
started
that
school,
the
they
are
conscious
about.
I'm
sorry,
I'm
getting
emotional
here,
they're
conscious
about
sustainable
development,
about
ecology,
about
a
holistic
approach
to
education.
B
I
am
so
privileged
to
actually
be
a
part
of
this
school
and
I'm
so
happy
that
when
the
school
announced
that
they
potentially
had
a
permanent
location,
it's
been
quite
challenging
to
grow
in
the
current
school
situation,
and
it's
it's
really
really
and,
as
you
know,
downtown
living
downtown.
Nothing
is
cheap.
F
Well,
thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
and
I
can't
I
personally
can't
believe
that
your
school
does
so
well
in
such
a
little
space.
But
it
sounds
to
me
like
they're,
very
lucky
to
have
you
serving
in
you
know,
and
volunteering
with
that
school,
and
I
can
tell
that.
There's
real
pride
in
your
voice
and
what
grade
is
your
son
in.
M
M
So
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak
today.
I've
learned
so
much
listening
to
the
intricacies
of
your
conversations
this
morning,
but
I
understand
you
have
to
decide
whether
to
support
the
community,
the
continued
efforts
of
community
members,
parents
neighbors,
they
considered
catholics
and
other
partners
to
create
a
school
community
center
and
desperately
needed,
affordable
housing.
M
The
reason
I'm
sharing
this
particularly
nerdy
piece
of
my
career
history
with
you
is
because,
in
order
to
apply
you
had
to
be
bilingual,
I
grew
up
as
a
proud,
franco
albertin
and
was
able
to
attend
french
immersion
school
and
participate
in
the
francophone
community
in
calgary,
but
moving
to
ottawa
and
being
exposed
to
so
much
french
in
my
day-to-day
life
was
an
incredibly
enriching
experience
and
it
was
a
key
reason.
I
decided
to
stay
and
build
a
life
here.
M
M
I
love
living
here.
The
urban
setting
has
been
a
wonderful
place
to
raise
children,
we're
happy
to
trade
in
the
sprawling,
lots
and
backyards
that
my
friends
and
all
enjoy
for
checking
out
the
ducks
in
the
canal
and
the
frogs
and
browns
inlet-
and
I
can
say
this
part
as
a
quote:
glebe
snob,
but
I
chose
o'keldawa,
even
though
much
more.
It's
so
close
to
my
house
that
I
can
hear
the
bell
in
the
mornings,
which
usually
means
we're
late.
M
M
I
love
that
because
of
the
french
community
that
has
been
built
through
this
school
when
we
run
into
our
neighbors
on
the
street,
the
children
and
parents
speak
french
to
each
other.
This
was
a
revelation
to
me
compared
to
my
childhood
growing
up
in
calgary,
where
I
had
to
seek
that
out
and
even
though
it's
humbling
sometimes
I
love
that
as
a
result
of
the
incredible
community.
My
kids,
french
is
already
better
than
mine,
especially
when
it
comes
to
keeping
up
with
my
son's
interests.
M
I
can't
say
that
I
had
three
axle:
dump
truck
and
other
construction
site
lingo
at
the
tip
of
my
fingers
in
french.
For
the
record.
That's
the
camion
toisis
needs
that
this
is
because
we're
all
a
part
of
the
ocal
data
community
schools
are
community
builders,
even
more
so
now
during
the
pandemic,
when
school
feels
pretty
different.
M
When
we
put
my
son
on
the
list
vocal,
that's
why
years
ago,
when
he
was
still
a
baby
and
when
the
school
was
meant
to
be
located
on
o'connor
street
downtown,
I
could
never
have
imagined
years
later
that
we'd
still
be
waiting
for
a
permanent
location.
It
is
a
credit
to
the
teachers
and
principal
at
ocala.
Who've
had
to
contend
with
renting
space
on
a
year-to-year,
at
least
creating
contingency
plan,
to
accommodate
the
growing
school
community
at
our
current
location
at
maine
and
lee's.
M
It's
also
important
to
me,
as
a
community
member,
that
we
include
everyone
in
our
community,
including
those
who
need
homes
and
especially
downtown
one
of
the
big
draws
for
our
family
was
the
unique
situation.
Ocal
data
was
meant
to
be
is
meant
to
have
when
they're
connected
to
potentially
affordable
housing
and
a
community
center
one
minute.
F
F
You
know
whether
this
smiling
whatever
and
everyone
was
smiling,
and
I
have
a
couple
of
my
girls
that
went
to
school
in
calgary
and
one
of
them
who
I
know
we
don't
have
much
time,
but
I
I
I
wouldn't
even
say
it
normally.
On
old
otto
east,
I
say
everything
and
I
actually
have
a
story
about
the
school
you're
in
or
where
you're
having
your
school.
But
when
we
moved
to
calgary
and
my
daughter,
elena,
who
many
of
you
know,
was
born
out
there
but
andrea
who's.
F
10
years
older
than
elena
went
to
alex
monroe
school
and
she
struggled
from
the
time
she
went
to
bayshore
catholic
moved
to
belleville.
They
didn't
have
any
french
available.
They
let
her
take
grade
four
french
in
belleville,
because
that's
when
it
started
there.
So
when
we
got
to
calgary
where
there
was
no
friends,
she
was
way
ahead.
F
D
F
D
F
O
So
currently
we
are
located
in
the
dimazonod
building
located
at
main
88
main
street
across
the
across
the
street.
Pretty
much
and
it
has
been
a
challenge
we
are
in
a
currently
in
elise
situation,
which
is
has
been
renewed
on
a
yearly
basis.
But,
as
you
know,
that
building
is
is
owned
by
the
english
language
school
board.
Who
has
plans
for
those
spaces
for
other
projects,
and
currently
the
lease
is,
is
held
only
until
the
end
of
the
current
school
year.
O
O
We
currently
have
over
150
elementary
students
and
year
after
year,
we
unfortunately
have
to
create
a
waiting
list
for
students
wanting
additional
students
wanting
to
access
the
school
which
we
cannot
accommodate
the
regards
because
of
space.
The
school.
The
cecce
desperately
needs
a
permanent
site
for
this
school
we've
scavenged
the
area
many
occasions
knocked
on
doors
and
looked
at
various
options,
and
this
this
atlea
option
seems
to
be
the
the
best
and
and
by
far
the
best,
and
so
it
is
this
school.
O
Establishing
this
school
in
this
building
is
the
cecc's
top
priority
and,
as
I
said,
it
presents
a
great
opportunity
so
mainly
why
we've
established
this
school
and
what
we're
hearing
from
parents
is.
There
are
no
currently
no
french
language
schools
in
the
neighborhood
other
than
the
one
we
just
opened
and
establishing
a
permanent
site
would
basically
meet
that
need
only
english
language.
Schools
are
available
in
the
area
which,
before
opening
it
forced
students
to
attend
or
to
try
those
english
schools
or
having
to
travel
great
distances.
O
I
remember
a
story
of
a
parent
telling
us
that
you
know
they.
They
were
finding
it
hard
because
their
their
sk,
a
senior
kindergarten
five-year-old,
was
falling
asleep
on
the
bus
because
of
a
45
minute
bus
ride
to
get
to
the
nearest
french
language
instruction
school
that
we
had
we
currently
have
and
so
relocating
permanently.
This
site
is,
is
very
important.
O
We
can
touch
and
help
those
residents
who
often
deal
with
loneliness
and
also
address
the
well-being
piece
of
the
younger
kids
that
need
additional
support
and
so
and
for
currently,
we've
spoken
about
it.
But
the
mou
with
the
city
for
the
park
and
sorry
the
gym
and
the
community
center
has
been
great,
so
that's
underway.
We
just
desperately
need
this
building.
This
zoning
amendment
for
us
to
be
able
to
put
all
those
wonderful
pieces
together,
and
so
this
is
what
we're
we're
hoping
to
get
from
you
and
request
today.
D
Question
yeah
just
a
very
quick
question.
Thank
you
very
much
for
being
here
and
thanks
for
all
the
discussions
we've
had
throughout
this
the
last
couple
of
years
around
this
some
some
questions
come
up
in
the
community,
but
the
level
of
commitment-
and
I
just
wanted
to
to
ask
you
around
your
level
of
commitment.
D
O
Of
course,
I
agree
with
what
you
said
and,
and
definitely
we
we
are
taking
risks.
We
are
expecting
this
school
to
be
open
as
soon
as
possible.
Of
course,
the
covet
closures
kind
of
affected
that,
but
we're
aiming
for
as
soon
as
possible
and
and
right
now
for
the
beginning
of
of
the
the
next
school
year,
if
not
sooner
so.
This
makes
it
very
tight
for,
with
with
respect
to
deadlines
and
so
the
school,
with
the
board's
approval
has
taken
calculated
risks.
O
If
I
may
call
it
that
way
and
has
invested
amounts,
we
we've
established
a
a
early
access
agreement
with
regional
we're
working
on
that,
so
that
we
can
start
and
we've
identified
some
contractors
to
begin
designated
substances.
Removal
we've
given
that
contract
out
received
with
the
tender
got
everything
done,
and
so
we've
invested
or
or
you
know,
we're
going
underway-
are
investing
hundreds
of
thousands
of
dollars
in
this
project
and
we're
very
much
very
much
involved
and
and
committed
and
from
our
understanding.
So
well,
not
from
for
what
we're
seeing.
O
D
Yes,
thank
you
so
much
for
that
you've
been
a
wonderful
partner
to
work
with
so
far.
I
know-
and
I
know
regional
has
with
the
city
as
well,
so
I
appreciate
everything
you've
done
to
to
advance
this,
and
certainly
is
a
need
for
a
continuing
french
language
school
in
that
area
of
odawa
east.
So
very
much
appreciate
this.
F
A
F
A
A
A
If
there's
any
transportation
questions,
but
my
basic
position
is
that
I'm
in
support
of
the
staff
report
recommendation,
which
is
basically
to
permit
a
school
in
the
building,
that's
the
that's
the
the
biggest
portion
of
the
zoning
application.
Yes,
there
are
some
ancillary
pieces,
a
the
parking
has
to
be
made
available
off-site.
So
we
need
a
provision
to
reflect
that
they've
secured
16
parking
spaces
in
the
p1
level
of
the
condos
that
are
being
built
on
the
west
side
of
forecourt
park.
A
A
A
A
A
And
then
the
height
thing,
we're
not
asking
for
a
height
increase,
we're
simply
there's
a
bunch
of
things
that
stick
out
on
the
roof.
They're
called
normal
rooftop
projections.
We
just
need
the
bylaw
to
permit
those
normal
rooftop
projections.
So
that's
what
the
file
that's,
what
the
bylaw
is
asking
for
the
and
the
and
the
bylaws
is
throwing
a
holding
zone
at
us,
which
we
acknowledge
and-
and
we
understand
it's
a
a
good
way
to
protect
the
community
in
terms
of
the
the
other
things,
the
other
components
of
this
deal.
A
We
understand
that,
okay,
so
and
anyway,
so,
basically,
that's
it.
I
just.
I
also
want
to
point
out
that
there's
a
few
other
steps
to
this
process
so
that
you
don't
think
it's
going
to
happen
overnight.
There
is
a
severance,
that's
required,
there's
a
development
agreement
to
be
entered
into,
there's
a
lifting
of
the
holding
bylaw
and
so
there's
other
steps
that
are
required.
But
basically
I'm
here
in
support
of
the
application.
F
F
F
Perfect,
does
anyone
have
any
questions
for
any
of
those
people
that
I
just
said
I'm
going
to
once
more
ask
and
for
a
final
time,
if
paul
goodkey
is
here,
I
can't
see
him,
but
this
is
the
third
or
fourth
the
fourth
time.
I
guess
I've
asked
all
right.
So
colleagues
do
you
have
any
questions
of
staff
and
may
I
ask
staff
to
from
what
you
heard
at
the
beginning.
If
you
have
comments
to
make
on
any
of
the
questions
that
were
posed
to
us
by
mr
rose.
P
F
F
P
Sure
so
about
the
height
there's,
no
technically,
there's
no
additional
height
required
only
projections
into
the
height
limit
and
those
are
for
the
proposed
hvac
unit
and
the
elevator
overrun,
and
I
do
have
a
confirmation
from
the
applicant
saying
that
the
existing
hvac
that's
already
on
the
chatelet
building,
is
currently
at
a
height
of
87.3
meters
above
sea
level,
and
the
proposed
hvac
and
elevator
runoff
will
be
no
higher
than
86.7
meters
above
sea
level.
So
that
means
whatever
projections
above
the
height
limit.
P
P
Is
relating
to
parking
and
again
I
have
confirmation
from
the
applicant.
I
will
bring
up
that
confirmation
that
the
16
spaces
that
were
calculated
are
based
off
of
the
zoning
bylaw
requirements
of
their
projected
19
classrooms,
0.75
spaces
per
classroom,
plus
the
requirements
for
the
daycare
equals
16
spaces.
So
that's
where
that
number
comes
from
and
those
will
be
secured
and
reserved
for
the
school
board
in
the
buildings
at
the
175
main
street
and
10
disabled,
and
this
has
been
confirmed
in
writing
by
regional
as
well.
D
Very
much
chair,
I
won't
take
up
much
time.
I
just
I
wanted
to
say
thank
you
to
kevin
wary
in
particular
jc
renault
and
many
other
people
on
staff
who
have
worked
on
this
to
get
us
to
this
stage.
There
is
a
complicated
kind
of
process
as
we
go
through
this,
but
I
wanted
to
say
thank
you
to
them.
One
piece
that
we've
been
talking
about
is
where
the
buses
will
come
in.
D
There's
not
many
there'll,
probably
be
two
three
buses
for
this
school
and
I
believe,
there's
going
to
be
lay-bys
on
the
on
the
road
next
door.
It's
not
going
to
be
right
in
front
of
the
day
shuttle
a
which
is
an
emergency
route.
So
I
just
want
to
confirm
that
that
currently,
the
plan
is
to
put
those
buses
on
on
scholasticate.
I
believe
it
is
not
right
on
the
emergency
road
in
front
of
the
in
front
of
the
building.
P
A
D
Okay,
thank
you
thanks
very
much,
I'm
not
going
to
ask
more
questions.
I've
asked
about
100
questions
offline
and
they
have
answered
them
in
sequence.
So,
and
my
community's
been
very
active
on
this,
so
I
just
wanted
to
say
thank
you
again
for
all
the
work
that
has
gone
into
this.
I
do
hope
committee
supports
this.
I
think
it'll
be
a
really
groundbreaking
project
that
we
can
be
proud
of
in
the
future,
and
so
thank
you,
madam
chair
back
to
you.
F
F
Do
I
have
any
emotions
on
this
one?
No,
on
the
item
of
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment,
to
allow
for
the
school
to
move
into
205
scholastic
drive.
Is
that
carrick
way
to
go?
That's
great
thanks,
everybody!
So
one
more
item
that
is
in
old
ottawa
east,
and
that
is
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment.
This
is
item
number
four
360
to
shadow
avenue
avenue,
and
so
we
have
people
here
that
are
willing
to
speak.
If
we
have
any
questions,
does
anyone
have
any
questions.
A
F
F
What's
happened
to
fisher
hi
beside
it
anyway,
okay
item
number:
five:
zoning
bylaw
amendment,
an
official
plan,
amendment
2740
cedar
view
road,
4190,
4200,
4210
and
4236
battlefield.
Road,
sean
moore,
is
the
planner
and
we
have
two
people
to
speak.
Adam
ferrone,
adam.
Are
you
here
just
coming
on
perfect
and
followed
by
tim
miller?
N
N
F
N
Well,
thank
you
and
thank
you,
madam
chair
committee,
members
and
the
committee
coordinator.
Thank
you
for
helping
me
do
this.
This
means
a
lot
to
me.
My
wife
and
I
have
supported
the
secondary
plan
for
nepean
south
areas.
Nine
and
ten,
since
we've
lived
here
11
years
ago,
and
it
was
only
farmland
when
we
moved
in
and
we
don't
cry
wolf
we've
been
to
the
meetings
we've
supported
it
and
we've
made
our
life
decisions
regarding
it.
N
So
our
home
is
a
rural
community,
we're
we're
in
a
rural
residential
home
on
half
an
acre,
and
so
now
on
the
subject
site,
the
applicant
is
proposing
to
throw
away
the
secondary
plan
for
areas
9-10
and
26
meters,
away
or
adjacent
from
our
home,
our
rural
home.
They
want
to
put
188
units
of
apartment
buildings
and
some
other
garden
slim
town
homes.
I
guess,
if
you
will,
and
on
segregated
land.
This
land
is
now
isolated,
according
to
the
secondary
plan,
to
provide
these
jobs
and
amalgamate
these
three
different
communities
and.
N
To
put
residential
on
this
land
would
mean
that
they
have
no
access
to
the
the
existing
residential
community,
which
means
that
they,
according
to
the
city
of
ottawa's
measurements,
for
walking
distance
to
parks.
It
would
be
a
10-minute
walk
if
you
had
a
residential
subdivision
on
this
land
just
to
enter
the
community,
which
would
now
make
them
our
our
closest
neighbor,
and
it's
not
what
we
signed
up
for
to
date.
The
applicant
has
yet
to
offer
any
reason
for
this.
N
N
All
we
see
from
the
applicant
is
what
is
wanted
and
what
is
needed
to
achieve
these
ones,
but
I
stipulate
that
sticking
a
high
density
residential
subdivision,
segregated
from
the
rest
of
the
residential
units
in
the
area,
doesn't
conform
with
any
of
our
official
plan
guidelines,
any
of
the
provincial
policy
guidelines
and,
more
specifically,
the
the
plan,
the
very
restrictive
plan
for
areas.
Nine
and
ten.
N
If
the
the
widening
of
fallow
field
world
will
continue
we'll
come
back
for
the
next
official
plan,
but
thanks
to
the
secondary
plan,
they
already
took
this
into
account.
So,
while
providing
amalgamating
three
different
communities
and
having
institutional
slash
institutional
office,
only
employment
says
government,
building
or
or
bank
it
has,
it
doesn't
have
traffic.
It
has
different,
am
and
pm
traffic
hours
and
doesn't
conflict
with
our
traffic
in
the
area,
but
only
complements
it,
and
I'd
just
like
to
point
out
and
like
to
ask
everybody
involved
in
in
this
decision
to.
N
Please
read
the
facts,
because
if
this
is
is
allowed
to
exist,
our
home
will
be
expropriated
if
falafel
gets
widened.
That
means
we
get
expropriated
and
the
fundamental
basis
for
traffic
in
this
is
invalid.
It
doesn't
follow
the
guidelines
for
the
tatia
guidelines
2017
and
it's
based
on
that
time.
Thank
you.
A
N
F
P
Well,
mostly
here
for
questions,
madam
chair,
but
there
are
some
points
that
I
just
want
to
kind
of
counteract
there
from
what
the
residents
are
basically
saying
here
in
the
situation.
I
wholly
disagree
that
it
doesn't
comply
with
the
official
plan.
I
I
think
in
this
case
you've
got
an
outdated
secondary
plan.
That's
over
20
years
old,
it's
the
former
city
of
nepean
secondary
plan,
and
yes,
it's
been,
you
know,
brought
forward
a
couple
of
times
with
some
amendments.
P
It's
a
document
that
wouldn't
stand
the
test
today,
under
today's
pps
or
current
city
strategy
under
the
new
op,
we
need
to
encourage
more
development.
Some
some
moderate
density
increases
into
the
urban
area.
Otherwise
we're
never
going
to
achieve
the
intensification
targets
that
we
see
in
the
city
of
ottawa.
P
This
particular
community
was
developed
on
a
plan,
as
I
said,
that's
20
years
old,
that's
largely
developed
with
townhouses
and
single
detached
houses,
there's
very
few
apartment
buildings
in
this
area
and
in
fact
the
the
plant
had
proposed
for
higher
densities
along
stranded
drive
to
accompany
the
business
park
that
developed
across
developing
across
the
street,
but
that
never
happened.
It's
just
towns
and
singles,
so
this
is
one
of
the
last
opportunities
to
introduce
some
moderate
level
of
density
and
to
allow
for
some
other
level
of
forms
of
housing
to
occur
in
this
community.
P
The
institutional
office
has
never
materialized,
as
it
was
envisioned
20
years
ago.
You
now
have
a
developing
community
developing
business
park
across
the
street.
That's
just
starting
to
hit
its
strides
with
some
recent
development
and
so
allowing
some
event
development
to
occur
in
this
neighborhood,
where
people
could
actually
walk
to
work
is
good
planning.
So
I
fully
support
this.
Our
our
study
did
follow
the
tia
guidelines.
P
We
met
the
level
of
service
requirements.
There
is
no
other
requirements,
we're
not
triggering
a
widening
to
fallowfield
road
development
in
the
entire
west.
End
of
the
city
of
ottawa
and
south
end
of
our
haven
is,
is
creating
that
need
for
transportation
improvements,
not
our
development.
So
I
I
highly
support
this
development.
The
staff
report
was
well
researched
and
well
written,
and
I
hope
today
that
you'll
support
this
application.
Thank
you.
J
F
P
Yeah,
I
mean
the
only
thing
I'll
add
just
to
greg's
point
is
that
the
general
urban
area,
which
this
falls
guides
light
intensification
to
exterior
of
interior
exterior
of
neighborhoods,
not
the
interior
and
capping
height
at
under
four
story,
four
stories
and
under,
and
so
this.
This
application,
as
mr
winters
pointed
out,
is,
is
meeting
kind
of
legit,
the
intent
of
the
general
urban
area
policies
or
guiding
development
outside
of
stable
neighborhoods
and
in
terms
of
the
the
the
site
design.
P
We
worked
with
residents
comments
to
make
sure
that
minimal
impact
was
done
to
adjacent
neighbors,
specifically
on
newburgh
place,
where
there
is
a
large
buffer
put
in
to
transition.
I
think
the
right
of
way
protected
is
an
arterial
road
on
on
fallow
fields.
So
it's
about
a
over
a
40
meter.
Right-Of-Way,
that's
protected
across
to
to
mr
frohn's
place.
F
F
Is
the
green
bank
realignment
with
two
bridges
that
have
to
be
built,
etc?
So
we
won't
be
knocking
on
your
door
soon
to
take
land
for
a
road
widening.
Thank
you.
Everyone
that
item
is
is
carried
item
number
six.
We
have
speakers
for
this.
This
is
a
zoning
bylaw
amendment
for
30
30
cents,
so
san
josef
boulevard,
counselor
tierney-
are
you
still
here.
F
Yes,
okay,
so
instead
vice
chair,
gower
is
going
to
move
a
motion
on
behalf
of
staff
on
zoning
by
law,
amendment
for
30
30,
san
jose
boulevard,
and
I
just
wanted
to
let
you
know
that
while
you
did
see
counselor
and
deputy
mayor
matt
luloff
here
this
morning,
he
had
to
leave
just
after
lunch
for
some
counselor
and
deputy
mayor
duties.
So
without
further
ado,
we
will
go
to
our
first
speaker,
but
vice
chair
gower.
Can
you
just
tell
us
about
the
motion.
F
Q
F
A
Q
A
They
they
use
a
schedule,
yyyy
they're
represented
they
just
weren't
referred
to
in
the
motion,
and
so
they
needed
to
be,
but
that
nothing
changes
there.
It's
in
accordance
with
the
schedule,
as
was
presented
in
the
report
and
with
respect
to
the
floor
space
index,
it
should
have
been
referenced
from
the
start.
There
was
to
be
an
increase.
Originally
it
was
going
to
be
4.5.
A
P
F
F
F
G
F
E
F
G
Okay,
thank
you.
I'm
speaking
today
about
the
composition
of
the
construction
site
and
the
surrounding
land
leda
clay
in
particular,
and
its
relevance
to
the
zoning
application,
specifically
that
the
higher
you
build
the
deeper
you
have
to
dig.
We
welcome
expansion
in
orleans
and
the
resulting
benefits
from
responsible
construction.
G
However,
this
escarpment
that
torgan
group
wants
to
build
into
like
all
of
orleans,
is
layered
with
lidoclay.
As
I
will
explain
to
you,
the
more
prolonged
and
intensive
the
construction
will
be
at
this
extremely
sensitive
site.
The
more
risk
there
will
be
to
the
adjoining
subdivisions
and
further
into
orleans
litoclaze
significantly
differs
from
regular
clay
deposits
found
everywhere
else
in
canada
outside
of
the
ottawa
quebec
city
region.
G
It
is
not
found
in
the
toronto
hamilton
region,
and
this
is
a
crucial
factor,
because
torgan
has
never
developed
or
built
in
eastern
ontario
soil
before
scientific
studies
by
carleton
university
geological
survey
of
canada
and
others
make
it
clear
that
if
lita
clay
is
disturbed,
it
becomes
unstable
and
unpredictable
and
critically.
Regarding
this
construction,
these
scientific
studies
published
over
the
last
50
years,
stressed
that
lita
clay
easily
absorbs
and
retains
more
water
than
normal
soils,
making
it
extremely
unstable
under
certain
circumstances.
G
Conversely,
it
dries
up
more
easily
causing
serious
and
uneven
long-term
differential,
settling
endangering
foundations
and
structures
within
it.
It
more
easily
allows
shock
waves
and
vibrations
to
pass
through
it,
and
in
case
this
actually
amplifies
these
waves
and
in
an
active
earthquake
fault
zone
such
as
in
our
own
region.
G
Right
here
is
actually
liquefied
the
ground
with
horrific
consequences
and
loss
of
life
as
what
happened
just
35
kilometers
north
of
orleans
in
notre
dame
de
salette,
so
lydic's
clay's
unique
structure
can
become
dangerously
unstable
and
unpredictable
when
disturbed,
and
it's
not
a
point
of
view,
it
is
a
fact.
We
know
that
numerous
multi-story
high-rise
buildings
have
been
built
in
the
ottawa
area,
but
not
into
the
face
of
an
escarpment
with
established
neighborhoods
as
proposed
here.
G
The
orleans
escarpment
is
like
multiple
layers
of
cake
that
also
has
layers
of
lita
clay
and
glacial
till
as
studied
it's
these
layers
of
lead
of
clay
that
will
allow
the
transmission
shock
waves
to
travel
much
much
further
than
normal
soils
and
can
actually
amplify
these
shock
waves.
Accordingly,
you
dig
down
into
the
strata
to
build
a
multi-level
garage
and
foundation
of
a
16
story,
high
rise,
and
you
will
be
projecting
every
single
blast.
G
Every
pile
driving
shockwave
through
these
layers
of
later
clay
in
the
escarpment
and
amplifying
them
into
the
surrounding
subdivisions,
with
resulting
damage
to
homes
and
foundations.
Compounding
this
is
the
fact
that
water
reserved
in
the
little
clay
will
certainly
drain
down
into
the
construction
site
as
the
water
drains
and
is
removed.
G
Properties
will
subside
and
foundations
crack,
as
has
happened
before
to
the
crestview
home
surrounding
the
1970s
construction
in
the
maryville
road
area,
resulting
in
a
seven
year
long
battle
and
class
action
lawsuit
brought
by
the
homeowners
that
the
city
ultimately
had
to
settle
out
of
court.
Of
course,
core
samples
will
show
various
layers
of
strata
that
includes
leah
clay,
but
these
studies
show
it's
the
very
presence
of
little
clay.
G
That
makes
it
an
impossibility
for
anyone
to
assure
this
committee
that
constructing
a
16-story
high-rise
into
this
escarpment
will
not
cause
damage
to
the
homes
it
abuts.
Even
the
patterson
group
geotechnical
study
has
caveats
on
this
this
by
their
own
definition,
a
limited
geotechnical
study
states
that
the
site
is
quote
considered
adequate
for
proposed
development,
but
then
they
contradict
themselves
in
their
own
report.
By
listing
hazards,
particularly
quote
vibrations
caused
by
blasting
or
construction
operations,
could
cause
detrimental
vibrations
to
the
adjoining
buildings
and
structures.
G
Furthermore,
the
site
doesn't
even
abut
the
plasmalines
complex
in
lrt
zone.
It
actually
bucks
in
as
part
of
the
escarpment
and
queso
sites
and
orleans
subdivisions
that
immediately
surround
it.
That's
not
an
opinion
that
is
a
fact
for
all
the
properties
listed
on
two
oregon
group
website
their
own
website.
They
show
they
have
never
developed
or
constructed
a
building
over
five
stories.
G
High
and
they've
never
done
a
16-story
high-rise
building,
let
alone
one
on
a
lita
clay
and
an
active
earthquake
fault
zone
such
as
ours,
and
this
is
critical,
because
the
area
that
torgan
wants
to
experiment
on
has
suffered
two
separate
landslides
just
a
number
of
decades
ago
in
the
1980s,
this
property
was
deemed
unbuildable
by
the
city
of
cumberland.
That
was
changed.
Somehow,
maybe
somebody
wasn't
paying
attention,
but
today
you
are
today.
G
F
F
F
F
N
Q
Q
I
wanted
to
speak
on
the
aesthetics
of
the
proposed
building
at
1330,
st
joseph
boulevard,
for
I
believe
that
the
proposed
variance
to
the
height
of
this
building
is
very
inappropriate
in
relation
to
the
local
community
in
which
it's
located,
the
building
will
be
constructed
into
a
cliff
again
adjacent
to
do
four
drive
a
street
which
provides
the
primary
access
to
the
queenswood
heights
community
from
st
joseph
boulevard
to
the
south.
Queenswood
heights
contains
about
12
000
residents
and
4
500
milk
homes.
Q
Q
E
Q
Please-
and
this
slide
contains
an
excerpt
from
the
city's
own
urban
design
review
panel
report.
You
have
a
copy
of
the
full
report
in
your
package.
The
highlights
are
mine,
but
you'll
note
that
the
architects
on
this
panel
have
serious
concerns
over
the
proposed
building
height.
The
application
represents,
in
their
words
over
building
of
the
site,
and
it's
worth
noting
that
the
study
was
based
on
the
original
12
story
application.
Q
Q
Once
again,
following
the
next
slide,
this
is
the
north
elevation
from
across
saint
joseph
boulevard
and
farm
boy
farm
boy.
Management
have
said
that
they
would
not
welcome
such
a
huge
development,
as
inevitably
their
parking
lot
would
be
occupied
with
residents,
visitors
and
patrons
to
the
high-rise
building,
which
has
limited
parking.
Q
A
variance
to
a
building
on
the
small
sloped
corner
property
is
16
levels
with
two
parking
levels.
Only
underground
is
entirely
egregious
inappropriate
and
out
of
character
with
the
surrounding
community.
It
reminds
me
of
the
two
huge
bridgeal
towers
at
highway,
174
and
trim
roads.
It
would
be
the
same
height.
Q
Q
Q
Q
We
do
need
more
commercial
and
multi-level
residential
development
near
major
transit
hubs,
but
not
at
this
height
this
location
or
at
this
time,
rather
a
building
located
north
of
highway
174
adjacent
to
the
lrt
when
commuters
would
have
easier
access
to
the
train
more
opportunity
for
parking
and
would
cause
less
road
congestion
on
the
street.
You
can
see
it
by
the
the
x
and
the
final
slide
again.
We
would
love
to
see
development
in
our
community,
but
we
absolutely
agree
with
your
urban
design
panel
of
distinguished
architects.
Q
F
Councillor
hubley
was
commenting
to
me
that
you
may
have
had
an
excellent
presentation.
Thank
you
very
much.
It
was
very
informative
and
I'm
going
to
ask
our
our
planner
on
the
file
steve
ballen,
to
comment
when
it
when
the
delegations
are
finished
on
on
what
the
points
were,
that
mr
thornberg
was
raising.
Okay,
all
right
next
is
elise.
Adams,
elise,
are
you
here?
E
I
understand
there
are
benefits
to
the
city
if
this
apartment
or
condo
gets
built,
and
it's
clear
that
the
toronto-based
landowner
is
poised
to
make
a
significant
profit,
which
is
presumably,
why
he's
pushing
so
hard
to
have
this
variance
approved?
Perhaps
the
city
will
be
enticed
by
sleek
lines,
shiny
windows
and
a
handful
of
new
taxpayers.
E
E
The
document
states
that,
subject
to
a
zoning
amendment
taller
buildings
up
to
a
maximum
of
12
stories,
may
be
considered
at
the
following
nodes.
If
the
development
provides
a
community
amenity
and
meets
the
official
plans,
urban
design
and
compatibility
policies
which
are
within
400
meters,
walking
distance
of
a
rapid
transit
station.
This
doesn't
apply,
and
it's
noted
in
the
document
directly
abutting
an
intersection
of
the
main
street
with
another
main
street
or
a
transit
priority
corridor.
This
also
doesn't
apply
or
directly
abutting
a
major
urban
facility.
E
Here's
where
it
gets
fuzzy.
This
last
point
is
being
used
to
confirm
that
the
subject
site
is
a
suitable
location
for
greater
building
heights.
However,
the
criteria
says
directly
abutting
and,
as
we
can
see
on
a
map
or
read
in
this
document
on
page
seven,
the
site
is
adjacent
to
the
mall
with
the
road
in
between
it's
not
directly
a
budding,
and
as
for
the
community
amenity,
there
was
initial
discussion
of
a
staircase
going
through
the
property
allowing
pedestrians
to
continue
using
that
shortcut,
even
if
the
staircase
is
built
after
several
years
of
construction.
E
E
Now,
if
you
would
please
follow
me
over
to
page
16.
For
my
final
point,
we
come
across
the
term
of
budding
again
where
the
document
states
that
city
staff
have
confirmed
that
the
subject
site
is
a
gateway
site
located
abutting
the
following
street
intersections,
and
it
goes
on
to
list
several,
including
st
joseph
and
placed
orleans
drive,
which
is
across
the
street.
We
also
read
on
page
14
that
the
intersections
of
arterial
and
collector
roads
can
serve
as
gateways
into
communities.
E
It
appears
as
though
somebody
has
decided
to
run
wild
with
the
idea
of
a
gateway
site,
but
I
would
invite
each
of
you
to
have
an
honest
look
at
this
space
and
see
if
you
agree,
this
is
a
unique
location
with
commercial
buildings
on
one
side
of
st
joseph
and
almost
exclusively
low
density,
residential,
just
up
the
street
on
the
other
side,
as
mike
says
it
doesn't
fit
in.
We
have
a
really
special
neighborhood
full
of
people
who
care
deeply
about
orleans.
E
The
future
lrt
revitalizing,
centrum
and
upgrading
local
storefronts
are
all
worthy
projects
to
keep
orleans
relevant
and
beautiful.
There
are
certainly
locations
nearby
that
would
naturally
accommodate
tall
buildings,
but
this
isn't
one
of
them
counselors.
We
now
leave
it
to
you
to
look
at
the
information
we
brought
forward
today
and
the
feedback
from
residents
to
decide
if
a
high-rise
on
this
corner
is
good
or
with
a
little
more
time
to
get
creative.
I
think
we'll
see
that
orleans
can
do
better.
Thank
you
all
so
much
for
hearing
from
us
today.
F
H
F
H
H
H
The
southern
edge
of
the
subject.
Property
is
located
approximately
60
meters
from
the
rear
lot
line
of
the
properties
of
the
existing
homes
along
kennedy,
lane
west
there's
the
dufour
drive
right-of-way,
as
well
as
an
area
of
municipal
green
space.
Located
in
between
the
subject
property
and
these
existing
residential
units,
given
that
the
proposed
building
is
cited
towards
saint
joseph
and
the
rear
yards,
the
existing
units
have
rear
yards.
The
separation
between
the
proposed
and
existing
buildings
themselves
is
an
even
greater
distance.
H
H
But
there's
several
concerns
with
the
steps
that
would
have
be
required
to
create
a
pedestrian
passage
there,
including
they
would
not
be
functional
in
the
winter.
They
would
not
be
accessible
to
all
people
and
the
steps
would
bring
pedestrians
to
a
point
along
st
joseph,
that
is
removed
from
the
traffic
lights
that
do
forward
and
would
likely
result
in
dangerous
pedestrian
crossings
of
saint
joseph.
H
H
H
The
slide
also
shows
the
subject.
Property
is
located
in
area
zed
on
schedule,
1a
of
the
zoning
by-law,
which
applies
to
areas
located
in
proximity
to
higher
order,
transit,
so
properties
within
areas
that
are
only
required
to
provide
parking
for
visitors
of
residential
uses.
No
parking
is
required
for
residents
or
non-residential
users
required
parking
space
rate
for
visitor
parking
and
area.
F
J
The
proposed
building
will
be
located
within
100
meters
of
the
high
volume
intersection
of
due
for
drive
and
saint
joseph
boulevard,
with
the
addition
of
new
residents
occupying
the
144
unit.
Building
a
significant
increase
in
traffic
volume
and
movement
can
be
expected
at
this
already
very
busy
and
dangerous
intersection.
J
This
intersection
is
currently
being
policed
by
a
red
light
camera
the
road
at
due
for
drive
often
sees
cars
and
buses
struggling
or
unable
to
climb
its
steep
slope
in
slippery
winter
conditions.
At
this
time,
both
pedestrians
and
cyclists
fear
crossing
the
intersection.
It
should
be
noted
that
there
are
no
bicycle
lanes
on
st
joseph
boulevard.
J
In
order
to
level
the
ground
enough
to
start
construction,
the
dump
trucks
being
filled
with
debris
from
the
slope
will
impede
traffic
both
on
dufour
drive
and
st
joseph
boulevard
stain
will
occur
with
other
vehicles
needed
to
construct
the
building.
As
there's
no
level
area
on
the
land,
there
is
very
little
space
for
heavy
construction
equipment
to
be
placed
which
will
inevitably
lead
to
lane
and
road
closures.
J
J
J
N
F
C
Thank
you
very
much
I'll
try
to
be
brief.
I
know
it's
been
a
long
day
for
everybody,
so
the
site
is
interesting
that
the
reference
back
to
the
previous
udrp
proposal
and
what
I
want
to
do
is
sort
of
walk
you
through,
where
we
are
now
as
a
result
of
that
meeting
with
the
udrp
and
where
we've
ended
up
in
terms
of
the
revised
design
and
some
of
the
key
features
that
took
place
so
right
off
the
bat
we.
C
If
you
look
at
saint
joseph's
boulevard,
we
really
widen
the
whole
sidewalk
moving
our
building
back
to
create
quite
a
nice
plaza
area
across
the
entire
front
of
the
building
and
provide
proper
room
and
for
bicycle
walk-in.
All
foot
things
mentioned
by
the
previous
presenter,
a
major
feature
or
push
on
this
design,
was
actually
to
reduce
the
overall
tower
floor
plate
from
where
we
were
down
to
the
high-rise
guidelines.
So
we
dropped
down
to
an
eight
thousand
square
foot
plate.
C
We
increased
all
our
our
side,
yard
setbacks
to
be
in
line
with
the
high-rise
design
guidelines,
and
one
of
the
key
features
was
to
push
the
building
off
of
the
intersection.
At
st
joseph
and
do
for
it
and
create
a
major
plaza
area
at
that
corner,
you
can
see
in
our
plans
the
large
plaza
area
here
it
hasn't
been
programmed
yet,
but
we
see
this
as
a
sort
of
joint
pops
area
as
well
as
potential
for
spillover,
for
maybe
a
restaurant
in
the
corner.
C
The
other
key
feature,
of
course,
is
the
reduced
by
reducing
the
tower
floor
plate.
We
add
a
significant
green
area
to
the
south
of
the
site,
budding
the
natural
green
area
that
exists
today
we're
this
is
an
important
building.
We
we
thought
this
building
sets
up
the
tone
for
development
down
saint
joseph's,
with
a
16
story
anchor
at
the
corner
and
then
showing
that
low
rise
of
traditional
main
street
flavor
has
moved
down.
If
you
go
to
the
next
slide,
please.
C
It
is
a
very
traditional
mixed-use
building
ground
for
retail,
with
direct
access
off
the
street
access
to
the
underground
parking
garage
off
of
saint
joseph,
and
we
have
terrace
areas
that
sort
of
work
into
the
hill.
As
you
move
up,
move
up
to
four
avenue
you
see,
most
of
the
building
now
has
been
concentrated
at
the
lower
end
of
the
hill,
trying
to
keep
as
much
of
the
natural
vegetation
and
and
replenishing
it.
The
next
five
days.
C
These
are
views
and
when
they
say
setting
up
the
sort
of
the
language
that
can
be
used,
so
the
idea
is:
we've
got
this
concentrated
development
in
the
tower
format
of
an
8
000
square
foot
plate
with
very
large
setbacks
both
to
the
east
and
to
the
west.
The
creation
of
that
large
plaza
area
as
coming
down
due
for
wrapping
around
again.
C
C
This
was
a
a
key
request
of
the
counselor
to
really
create
a
unique
sort
of
urban
space
in
the
corner,
very
pleased
with
the
change
that
took
place
and-
and
I
think
the
from
an
urban
design
point
of
view.
The
panel
was
pleased.
The
design
group
within
the
city
were
pleased
with
the
direction
and
we
sort
of
moved
comfortably.
Taking
these
changes
forward,
that's
my
presentation.
The
only
thing
I
could
speak
to
was
the
oh.
C
C
As
we
moved
up-
and
you
see
the
four
sections
of
this
page-
significant
changes
to
help
reduce
the
visual
impact
of
of
our
project
on
the
residents
up
the
hill
as
also
creating
these
more
open
green
spaces
and
urban
spaces
that
we
talked
to
with
the
plaza
area
and
and
the
green
at
the
top.
So
it's
a
significant
change
from
the
original
pdrp
proposal
to
where
we
are
today
and
it
was
well
received
on
a
sort
of
go
forward
basis.
F
C
E
C
Right
so
I
mean
ottawa,
the
ottawa
area
is
blessed
with
either
rock
right
below
the
service
or
lita
clay
and
it's
throughout
the
whole
city.
It's
something
we
deal
with
on
a
fairly
regular
basis,
and
so,
in
our
opinion,
done
properly,
there's
not
an
issue
and
examples
of
the
past
where
there
was
failure.
C
I
think
you
can
examples
are
probably
not
done
properly.
Our
engineers
obviously
take
this
very
seriously.
They
do
an
analysis
and
they
give
us
a
comfort
level
to
proceed.
The
fact
that
in
their
reports,
they
suggest
that
you
know
we
maintain
buildings
in
the
charming
area.
With
we
do
pre-blast
or
pre-construction
surveys.
C
That's
a
standard
thing
we
do
in
every
project.
We
do
we
do
it,
whether
on
rock
or
literally,
it's
it's
basically
informing
the
the
developer
that
you
have
to
monitor
all
construction
work
and
and
it's
there
to
protect
both
the
developers
as
well
as
the
residents.
So
you
know,
old
cracks,
don't
become
new
cracks
caused
by
the
construction
and
any
new
crack
that
is
caused.
E
Okay,
so
I
will
echo
my
colleague,
my
eastern
colleague,
councillor
luloff,
in
respect
to
his
indication
of
not
only
support
for
this.
I
will
be
supporting
this,
but
also
that,
if
you,
you
know,
rental
units
in
the
east
end
are
few
and
far
between
it's
something
that
we're
dire
need
of
in
the
east,
affordable
housing
as
well
too.
I
I
know
he
had
indicated
that
so
once
again,
if
you
could
keep
that
on
your
radar,
that
that's
certainly
a
market
that
we
do
not.
E
We
have
a
deficit
of
in
the
east
and
in
respect
to
this
particular
project.
It
had
been
mentioned
that
this
sets
the
tone
for
the
all
of
saint
joseph,
and
it
truly
does-
and
you
know
we
will
be
seeing
you
know,
while
I
empathize
with
all
the
residents
who
did
speak
about
their
concerns
about
this
project,
it
is
going
to
be
something
that
we're
seeing
along
the
whole
length
of
saint
joseph,
including
an
inner
sword
and
it,
although
it's
600
meters,
from
lrt,
it's
600
meters
through
a
very
wonderful
shopping
center.
E
It's
in
close
proximity
to
many
amenities.
People
will
have
the
opportunity
to
bike
and
to
take
transit,
so
you
know
I'm.
I
fully
agree
with
this
development.
I'm
going
to
be
supporting
it.
I
encourage
my
colleagues
to
do
so,
and
I
think
that
some
of
the
issues
that
presidents
have
can
be
addressed
throughout
the
process.
A
My
concern
so
I'd
like
to
have
some
sort
of
an
agreement
done
that
any
notice
going
out
to
residents
when
the
construction
starts,
that
they
encourage
the
residents
themselves
to
also
take
pictures
of
their
foundation
so
that
they,
if
anything,
does
happen
to
go
wrong
in
this
plan
and
foundations
start
getting
cracked,
they
have
their
own
evidence
and
don't
have
to
rely
on
the
out-of-town
developer
to
provide
the
evidence
that
their
foundations
were
damaged.
So
would
that
be
possible
to
get
that
as
an
agreement
from
the
applicant.
F
F
F
A
F
C
A
C
A
R
Go
okay!
I
will
be
very
brief.
I'm
not
intending
to
revisit
the
policies
in
the
report
and
julie's
already
covered
all
of
the
policies
on
on
our
behalf.
What
I'll
do
is
I'll
address
some
of
the
the
comments
from
the
delegations
and
in
particular,
I
feel
the
need
to
correct
some
of
the
statements
that
were
made
I'll
start
with
the
lolita
clay.
R
Patterson
group
has
done
extensive
investigations
well
and
above
above
and
beyond
what
would
be
required
at
the
time
of
zoning.
That's
why
there
are
some
limitations
to
the
study.
I
think
it's
an
important
subtlety
in
that
we
have
yet
to
go
to
a
site
plan
control
application.
At
the
time
of
site
plan
control.
The
studies
will
be
even
more
construction
specific
to
the
building.
That
rod
is
designing
and
the
remaining
issues
flagged
in
the
geotech
study
will
be
addressed
and
again
to
rod's
point.
R
It's
very
important
to
remember
that
even
an
out-of-town
builder
surrounds
himself
with
local
consultants,
whether
it's
transportation,
architectural,
geotechnical
planning
and
remember,
if
you
will
trinity,
morguard
clv,
and
they
these
are
all
out
of
town
builders.
They
do
very
well
in
in
the
ottawa
climate
and
and
they're
very
well
suited
for
it
with
respect
to
the
udrp
I'll.
Refer
you
back
to
document
4,
page
22
of
the
report.
R
The
comments
that
were
raised
during
the
delegation
are
relevant
now
they're,
based
on
on
the
old,
the
old
building
and,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
as
a
result
of
those
comments.
Partially,
that's
how
we
got
here
with
the
new
building
and
in
response
to
those
comments
and
those
those
comments
at
page
22
are
overwhelmingly
supportive
of
rod's
redesign,
including
the
podium
treatment
along
saint
joseph,
the
enhanced
separation
to
the
to
the
rear
to
those
properties.
R
This
area
is
going
to
change
this
project
anchors,
the
eastern
edge
of
st
joseph,
but
it's
across
the
street
from
a
major
community
facility,
a
shopping
center,
a
town
center
and
an
lrt
station
470
meters
away.
The
city
has
already
initiated
the
saint
joseph
corridor
study
to
go
through
exercise
to
allocate
height
and
density
the
heights
that
we're
showing
on
this
site
are
much
more
modest
than
the
heights
you're
going
to
see
in
the
orleans
town
center
as
a
result
of
that
transit
station
in
full
force.
R
In
effect,
when
those
buildings
come
in,
this
building
proposed
by
touring
group
is
actually
a
transition
building
to
the
residential
community
up
the
hill,
which
sits
about
four
residential
stories
above
above
the
the
floors
of
this
building.
So
the
topography
really
does
work
to
our
advantage
to
provide
that
transition
to
the
residential
community.
There
was
issues
raised
of
of
views
and
the
ward
councillor
was
particularly
concerned
with
the
impacts
to
those
houses
and
and
rod
actually
worked
considerably
with
the
counselor
and
the
udrp
comments
to
massage
that.
R
So
we
end
up
having
a
much
slender
building
the
benefit
of
this
slender
building.
If
you
go
back,
one
slide,
melody
is
protection
of
those
views.
The
building
is
is
considerably
narrower.
If
you
look
in
particular
east
and
west
elevations
efforts
were
made
to
have
a
much
more
slender
building
that
that
was
a
little
bit
more
mindful
of
the
views
that
were
existing
in
terms
of
traffic.
R
R
I
always
say
this
developers
have
an
impossible
task
of
making
everyone,
including
themselves
happy
for
parking,
but
I
think
this
ratio
does
a
very
good
job
of
that
and
then
the
last
point
that
rod
already
touched
on
there
was
disappointment
about
the
loss
of
a
potential
cut
through
on
the
site,
but
for
a
range
of
reasons.
That
was
impractical,
but
this
project
is
not
without
benefit.
A
I
do
for
either
well
for
any
of
the
the
applicant
representatives.
The
question
of
compatibility
came
up
and
compatibility
always
comes
up
when
we
have
taller
buildings
in
suburban
area.
This
area
of
the
community
has
had
in
general,
lower
buildings.
I'm
not
sure
what
the
maximum
would
be
out
there
now,
but
certainly
lower
than
what's
being
proposed.
R
And
do
you
mind
going
back
to
the
very
first
slide
in
the
presentation?
I
think
it's,
I
think
it's
helpful.
We
have
to
start
with
a
notion
of
where
the
property
is
in
relation
to
other
land
uses
the
go
to
the
very
first
one.
If
you
don't
mind,
that's
the
one,
so
the
property
actually
has
more
synergy.
To
be
perfectly
honest
with
the
town
center
area,
it
falls
within
the
saint
joseph
corridor
study.
All
of
those
areas
in
the
in
the
pink
bubble
are
gonna
be
defined
by
taller
buildings.
R
There
are
taller
buildings
in
proximity
to
the
shankman
arts
center
that
are
are
permitted
as
of
right,
but
the
intent
is
to
intensify
those
lands
over
time.
Recognizing
the
transformation
is
going
to
be.
These
lands
actually
serve
a
purpose
of
transitioning
to
that,
but
recognize
that
as
of
right,
you're
going
to
have
taller
buildings
along
saint
joseph,
so
the
context
changes-
and
I
think
it's
the
burden
of
of
us
and
and
you
as
a
as
the
planning
committee
to
be
mindful
of
of
planned
function
as
to
how
this
area
will
change
over
time.
R
I
I
get
that
there's
core
areas
of
saint
joseph
boulevard
that
may
stay
low
rise,
there's
some
heritage
buildings,
there's
the
church,
there's
other
features
there
that
maybe
the
core
will
stay
low
rise
and
I
think
that's
why
rods
use
the
four-story
podium
to
the
building
to
recognize
it's
an
arterial
main
street.
It
does
have
a
bit
of
a
a
low-rise
character,
the
podium
transitions
well
into
that,
but
the
intent
is
to
have
tall
buildings
within
proximity
to
transit.
C
No-
and
I
think
it's
it's
obviously
the
issue
of
tall
building
against
low-rise
single-family
homes.
It's
it's
impossible
to
say
you
know,
that's
compatible
when
they're.
If
I
took
this
building-
and
I
brought
it
up
on
top
of
the
hill
and
put
it
on
that
street,
but
the
fact
that
we've
got
some
as
miguel
pointed
out.
C
So
imagine
if
you
start
envisioning
saint
joseph's,
built
to
its
sort
of
planned
function,
we
would
we
would
become
very
compatible
because
that
street
would
become
in
that
range
of
you
know,
sort
of
not
up
to
six
and
nine
story.
Buildings.
The
same
way
the
streets
like
I
live
in
west
richmond
road
is
evolving
now
into
from
two-story
buildings
into
six
and
nine-story
buildings
along
richmond
road,
and
they
are
very
much
compatible
with
the
single-family
homes.
You
know
a
block
away,
so
I
think
we're
achieving
that
compatibility.
F
F
F
F
A
F
F
Thank
you
very
much
eli
for
making
yourself
available
for
us
the
as,
as
was
determined
you
can
see.
The
difference
mr
mark
spoke
to
this
and
said
that
it
wasn't.
It
was
minor
in
nature
from
his
perspective.
That
was
a
question
we
all
had
just
to
remind
you
so
on
the
amendment.
Is
that
kerry
all
right.
F
F
F
E
F
Yeah,
I
know
that
the
the
the
maple
grove
one
is
very
important
to
many
people.
So
thank
you.
Okay,
so
on
6102
rental
road
we
have
dan
paquettes
here
he's
with
rosalind
hill
david
halpenny,
chris
lacroix
dan.
Are
you
here
for
for
questions?
I
know
that
the
the
counselor
dude
asks
laura.
Do
you
have
questions
you.
A
F
E
I
have
two
quick
questions
and
I
just
wanted
to
move
something
so
and
they
may
be
for
staff
they
might
be
for
the
applicant,
but
the
first
question
is
is
most
likely
actually
for
staff.
We
just
came
out
of
that
conversation.
Well,
it
felt
like
five
minutes
ago,
but
it
was
hours
ago
now
about
r4
and
we
were
talking
about
the
impact
and
the
lack
of
infrastructure
and
how
that
has
to
play
into
the
factoring
of
these
zoning
amendments
so
to
staff.
E
You
know
I
had
based
that
motion
in
respect
to
having
infrastructure
lined
up
and
ready
to
go
when
it
comes
to
rezoning
of
properties.
That
very
motion
was
based
on
this
community
bradley
estates
and
the
fact
that
it
does
not
have
pedestrian
sidewalks.
It
doesn't
have
retail,
it
doesn't
have
the
road
infrastructure.
So
I'm
asking
staff
that
you
know
how
does
that
motion?
A
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
just
to
say
I
last
week
I
did
have
a
conversation
with
councillor
dudas
in
that
regard
as
well.
Yesterday
I
had
a
another
conversation
with
staff
with
transportation
staff,
phil
landry
and
vivi
chi,
and
we're
going
to
have
another
meeting
after
that
to
take
a
look
at
the
counselor's
concerns
with
respect
to,
I
know,
there's
missing
sidewalks
along
the
main
road.
A
E
Okay,
I
think
that'll
be
wonderful
and
I
had
one
question
and
this
is
likely
for
the
applicant.
First
of
all,
I
want
to
thank
you,
because
I
understood
that
you
did
have
a
fulsome
conversation
with
the
community
association
and
and
addressed
a
number
of
their
concerns,
but
I
know
that
one
of
the
concerns
was
the
number
of
outlets
onto
saddle
ridge,
and
I
was
just
curious
in
terms
of
the
traffic
that
will
be
generated
by
this
development
and
the
number
of
outlets.
E
F
E
Again,
please
I'm
just
I'm
trying
to
understand.
I
know
that
traffic
in
this
community
is
is
always
an
issue
with
these
developments,
and
I
know
that
in
particular,
this
development,
while
it
is
a
good
fit
for
this
site-
and
I
will
be
supporting
it-
there
is
a
an
impact
from
the
traffic
generated
and
there's
concerns
about
the
number
of
outlets
onto
saddle
ridge,
particularly
so
I'm
trying
to
understand
if
there's
been
any
changes
that
have
been
made
or
accommodations
being
made
or
the
impact
of
the
traffic
that
you've
been
assessing.
N
R
N
N
E
Sorry,
internet
connections.
Right
once
again,
I
wanted
to
thank
the
developer
and
the
applicant
for
working
with
community
association.
I
will
be
very
brief.
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
I
will
be
supporting
this
development.
Bradley
states
for
no
road
and
navin
road
are
particularly
lacking
in
infrastructure.
E
There
are
gaps
in
pedestrian
sidewalks
and
both
of
those
roads
are
still
two-lane
rural
roads,
and,
while
I
understand
fully
as
you're
saying
that
we're
talking
about
one
car,
every
two
minutes
right
down
the
road
from
this
is
another
development
of
a
very
similar
nature.
Another
you
know
block
down,
there's
another
development
of
similar
nature.
So
it's
it's
constantly
drops
in
the
bucket
of
more
traffic,
more
people,
and
while
I
fully
appreciate
that-
and
I
support
it,
we
need
to
have
the
infrastructure
keep
pace
with
the
growth.
E
F
Well,
thank
you,
councillor,
dudas
and,
as
you
know,
you
and
I
had
a
conversation.
When
did
we
fit
it
in
on
saturday
at
4
30
or
I
think
it
was
and
yes
about
this,
and
you
know
tossed
around
some
ideas
about
how
you're
going
to
fill
in
those
gaps
and
that
and
so
I'm
sure
that
we're
going
to
get
a
lot
of
ideas
and
information
from
our
staff,
folks
that
we
talked
about
so
good
work
on
this.
So
anyone
else,
no,
I
don't
see
anyone
else
waving.
F
A
Other
than
I
I
apologize
for
messing
up
there,
I've
been
with
you
guys
since
nine
o'clock
this
morning
and
anyways,
I'm
back
for
the
record.
We
support
the
application
and
for
the
record
we
appreciate
working
with
the
local
counselor
and
the
community
on
this.
I
think
it's
going
to
be
a
nice
project.
Thank
you.