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Finance and Economic Development Committee – September 1, 2020 – Audio Stream
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Okay
good
morning,
everyone
and
thank
you
for
joining
us
today
welcome
to
the
finance
and
economic
development
committee
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by
virtual
means
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a
reminder
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will
be
watching
for
those
cues,
the
usual
five-minute
speaking
limit
will
also
apply.
A
We
have
public
delegation
sign
up
for
a
couple
of
agenda
items.
However,
members
of
the
public
are
welcome
to
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written
comments
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will
be
circulated
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members
of
council
for
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delegations
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have
signed
on.
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I
call
on
you
to
speak,
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coordinator
will
unmute
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and
she
will
project
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advance
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I'll.
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have
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the
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A
D
E
C
A
Vice
chair,
dudax,
yeah,
okay,
so
thank
you
we'll
go
through
the
consent
agenda
and
then
come
back
to
those
items
that
have
public
delegations
or
members
of
council
wish
to
speak
to
them.
So
declarations
of
interest
declaration,
the
conflict,
confirmation
amendments,
adoption
on
the
process.
A
F
G
A
Okay,
that's
glenn.
Yes,
it
is
okay,
pro
approval
of
preferred
proponent
and
budget
for
lrt
stage.
Two
lessons
learned
exercise
carried:
okay.
A
Planning
infrastructure
and
economic
development,
economic
development
and
long-range
planning
item
six
riocan
management
tanker
outlet,
application
for
exemption.
We
have
presentation
our
motions
and
speakers
on
that.
So
we'll
come
back
to
that
wellington,
west
business
improvement
area,
boundary
adjustment.
We
have
a
delegation
dennis
van
staten,
lien
executive
director.
I
don't
think
this
is
particularly
controversial.
Does
any
member
of
committee
have
any
concern
with
this
expansion?
Councilor
leeper,
I
know
you're
supportive
of
it.
A
H
Just
a
quick
note
to
note,
the
bia
has
taken
this
consultation
process
extremely
seriously.
I
want
to
thank
them
for
that,
and
I
also
want
to
thank
them
for
the
work
that
they've
been
doing
through
the
pandemic.
They've
been
particularly
active
on
behalf
of
their
members,
trying
to
ensure
that
landlords
and
banks
and
everybody
is,
is
helping
our
small
merchants
out
and
I
think
that's
part
of
the
really
positive
response
that
they've
gotten
to
the
consultation
for
for
an
expansion.
A
So
dennis
we'll
just
unmute
dennis
for
a
minute
there
dennis
there
seems
to
be
unanimous
support.
Do
you
want
to
offer
any
comment.
G
Yeah,
just
I
want
to
thank,
certainly
I
want
to
thank
councillor
leeper
and
the
economic
development
staff
for
all
their
support.
We've
been
thinking
about
this
for
the
last
couple
of
years,
since
we
were
approached
by
a
few
businesses
that
weren't
included
in
the
current
boundaries
and
asked.
How
can
we
be
part
of
this
thing?
So
it's
it's
been
a
few
years
and
of
course,
our
january
gm
is
when
this
was
approved.
G
We
had
hoped
to
go
out
and
consult
in
march
2020,
which
was
a
bad
time
for
going
door
to
door,
as
you
might
imagine,
but
I
just
wanted
to
just
update
a
couple
of
numbers
that
you'll
see
in
the
report
that
that
were
that
need
to
be
sort
of
amended.
We
actually
received
letters
of
support
from
six
of
our
expansion
businesses,
as
opposed
to
three
two
bia
members,
which
includes
one
property
manager,
who's
active
in
the
expansion
area
and
to
community
association.
G
A
Great
well,
thank
you
so
on
the
committee
recommendation
carries
all
right.
Thank
you.
Okay.
Next
item
covet
19
economic
recovery
update.
We
have
a
presentation
on
that.
So
we'll
come
back
to
that
and
then
follow
up
to
motion's
request
for
offers
to
acquire
lease
hotels,
motels
councillor
suds
has
motion
on
that
as
and
then
we
have
another
governance
of
bia
issue
that
councilor
dudas
will
raise
at
other
business.
A
We'll
just
go
back
to
the
first
item
that
we
have
delegations
for
which
would
be,
I
believe,
the
tanger
outlet.
So
this
is
item
six
planning
infrastructure
and
economic
development.
Ryokan
management,
tango
outlets,
auto
application
for
an
exemption
to
buy
a
lot
of
the
retail
business
holidays
act
and
we
have
presentations
by
three
people
from
the
proponents
and
mr
mckinney
from
the
district
labor
council
is
mr
willis.
Can
you
give
us
or
a
member
of
your
staff
a
quick
overview
in
terms
of
what
the
staff
recommendation
is
all
about?
I
And
cindy
and
so
on
so
mr
mayor,
I'm
going
to
switch
chairs
with
mr
simpson
and
let
him
give
that
to
you.
J
Good
morning
regarding
the
rbha
example
and
application
that
came
in
from
rio
can
what
that's
really
looking
at
is
seeking
approval
to
allow
them
to
open
up
on
some
of
the
statutory
holidays,
as
outlined
within
the
retail
business
holidays,
act
legislation
in
reviewing
the
application
and
the
information
as
provided
it
seems
to
clearly
meet
the
requirements
as
laid
out
in
legislation.
That's
where
the
report
is
coming
forward
to
committee
today,
looking
for
approval
to
move
it
to
council.
A
So
it's
very
hard
to
hear
you
on
on
my
system.
Here,
brian,
you
want
to
speak
up.
A
J
Perfect,
essentially,
what
we're
looking
at
with
the
report
that's
brought
forward
today
is
allowing
tanker
outlets
to
be
open
on
a
few
statutory
holidays
that
are
listed
within
the
retail
business
holidays
act
and
reviewing
the
application
that
came
forward.
I
will
note
it
came
forward
prior
to
the
covert
pandemic
reaching
ottawa.
J
What
it's
really
looking
at
is
allowing
opportunities
for
the
businesses
to
remain
open,
provide
opportunities
for
employees
to
work
during
those
statutory
holidays
on
a
premium
and
again
in
reviewing
the
the
eligibility
criteria
is
listed
within
the
legislation.
The
application
meets
all
the
criteria
and
that's
where
it's
before
committee
today.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
So
we
have
eric
toppolinski
regional
director
with
riocan.
Is
he
on
the
line?
I
am
yes
right.
So,
mr
toppolinski,
if
you
could
just
identify
yourself
and
you
have
five
minutes
and
then
followed
by
sarah
blavair.
K
Okay,
great,
I
mean
so
I'm
I'm
eric
topplenacek,
I'm
a
regional
director
of
operations
with
ryokan.
K
I
was
actually
just
recently
promoted
this
position,
but
I
spent
most
of
the
last
five
years
actually
as
the
general
manager
of
tangor
outlets,
and
I
think
I
can
speak
on
behalf
of
myself
and
the
two
other
delegates
that
we
have
here.
Sarah
bavaro
and
stuart
craig
from
rio.
K
Can
we
just
want
to
thank
basically
the
committee
for
for
allowing
us
to
speak,
and
we
really
don't
have
much
of
an
opening
statement
other
than
to
just
say
that
we're
fully
supportive
of
everything
that's
identified
in
the
committee's
report
or
sorry
in
the
in
the
city
staff
report,
and
we
welcome
any
opportunity
that
any
of
the
counselors
have
or
the
mayor
has
to
answer
any
questions
that
anybody
may
have.
K
But
we're
very
excited
about
this
and
we
we
think
it's
a
great
opportunity
for
the
shopping
center
for
the
tenants
and
business
in
the
area,
and
we
would
just
like
to
open
it
up
to
see
if
anybody
has
any
questions
that
we
might
be
able
to
answer.
L
Thank
you
mayor,
just
one
question,
sir,
do
you
have
statistics
about
the
number
of
out
of
ottawa
tourists
that
come
to
this
mall?
Do
you
have
any
numbers
that
you
can
present.
K
So
to
answer
the
question
directly,
I
don't
have
any
hard
numbers
to
give
you
today,
but
I
can
certainly
tell
you
that,
in
our
experience
in
the
in
the
last
five
years
that
we
see
a
huge
demand
for
the
shopping
center
to
be
open
on
statutory
holidays,
in
fact,
I
can
recall
several
many
many
instances
actually
where
people
will
travel
in
say
on
on
a
holiday
that
we're
close
day,
let's
do
paper
day
as
an
example
we'll
actually
get
complaints
on
our
voicemail
email
on
our
facebook.
K
Basically,
in
any
touch
point
that
we
communicate
customers,
people
will
have
driven
in
from
cornwall
quebec.
Kingston
they'll
show
up
in
ottawa
fully
expecting
that
the
outlet
malls
were
to
be
open
only
to
be
disappointed,
of
course,
that
they're
not.
I
can
also
speak
to
the
fact
that
particularly
I
mean
we
all
know
that
tourism
has.
K
You
know
high
season
low
season,
and
we
certainly
know
that
summer
is
the
high
season,
and
so,
if
you
can
visit
the
parking
lot
or
you,
you
know
walk
through
the
shopping
center
like
I
have
on
you
know
almost
every
day
for
the
last
five
years.
You
stop
to
talk
to
people
in
summer
and
just
find
out
where
they're
from
there's
tons
of
people
from
out
of
town
from
wide
and
far
from
toronto
from
you
know,
far
on
the
boundary
of
eastern
ontario
and
quebec
from
kingston
from
montreal
from
from
all
over.
K
L
K
Yes
see
mr
mav,
and
thank
you
very
much,
mr
topalinsky.
How
does
the
ability
to
operate
on
on
a
stat
holiday,
which
is
what
we're
looking
at,
does
that
ensure
the
growth
and
the
viability
of
the
mall
from
a
a
tenant
perspective,
a
tenant
retention,
a
growth
perspective?
How
does
how
does
this
impact
the
model,
the
business
model?
K
I
mean
it,
it's
a
great
question.
I
think
that
I
I
think
we
need
to
be.
You
know
fair
and
clear,
in
that
I
mean
this,
isn't
something
that
we're
doing
to
ensure
the
viability
of
them
all.
We
have
an
excellent
shopping
center,
that's
always
performed,
in
fact
it's
performed
increasingly
well
for
us
every
year,
since
we've
opened,
but
what
we're
trying
to
do
and
what
we
think
this
tourism
application
will
help
us
do
is
take
the
shopping
center
to
the
next
level.
K
So
where
you
know
we
have,
we
have
a
lot
of
great
tendencies
that
are
performing
very,
very
well,
but
sometimes
you
just
need
an
extra
push
to
bring
you
to
the
next
level
and
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
attract
tenants
that
are
of
you
know,
maybe
just
that
next
caliber
tenants
that
perhaps
are
just
on
the
cusp
of
wanting
to
come
to
ottawa
and
if
we
can
attract
those
tenants
by
doing
so,
it'll
it'll
make
the
shopping
center
even
more
unique
and
it
will
breed.
K
You
know
more
success
because
the
more
unique
your
tenant
base,
the
more
reasons
there
are
to
visit
the
center
and
that
only
benefits
the
collective
of
all
of
the
other
tenants.
So
to
answer
the
question
directly,
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
is
just
keep
growing
and
take
that
next
step,
so
that
we
can
attract
that
next
level
of
cachet
tenant
to
the
city
of
ottawa,
and
hopefully
you
know
to
tanker
outlets.
K
K
Tourist-Based
operators
from
outside
the
city
to
encourage
them
to
to
visit
the
city-
and
I
I
guess
my
my
other
question,
the
other
part
is:
is
there
evidence
of
spin-off
where
people
that
might
attend
are
spending
money
elsewhere
in
the
city
yeah?
K
M
Good
morning,
so
my
name
is
sarah
boiber
and
I'm
the
current
general
manager.
I
was
also
with
the
mall
during
the
grand
opening
and
and
like
eric
said,
you
know
that
the
mall
continues
to
do
incredibly
well
and
and
we're
excited
if
this
opportunity
moves
forward
to
see
what
how
it
can
elevate
the
center
more
for
the
city
and
what
it
would
continue
to
attract.
So
to
answer
your
question:
yes,
we
absolutely
partner
with
many
tourism
organizations.
M
M
The
ottawa
tourism
concord
group
who
brought
in
tourism
delegates
from
china
we've
had
many
tour
buses
come
through
a
lot
of
them
repeat
tours
from
destinations
like
toronto
quebec,
some
from
the
us-
and
these
are
kind
of
the
initiatives
that
we
work
on
year
after
year-
is
how
do
we
continue
those
partnerships
and
how
do
we
grow
new
ones?
So
we
also
work
with
a
number
of
the
local
hotels.
We've
had
shop
and
stay
packages
with
brook
street.
We
work
closely
with
the
holiday
inn.
M
The
new
wingate
hotel
we've
been
working
closely
with
them
and
we'll
look
to
do
more
initiatives
as
they
open
and
grow
with
us.
B
B
Often
when
you
walk
through
the
parking
lot,
you
can't
help
but
notice
the
variety
of
part
of
license
plates
from
all
over
the
place,
and
so
I
think
it's
important
to
remember
that
this
really
is
beyond
just
a
local
shopping
destination.
It
is
certainly
a
destination
for
many
that
is
certainly
helping
to
to
drive
economic
growth.
The
question
that
I
was
going
to
pose
was
with
respect
to
partnerships,
and
I
I
think,
we've
heard
through
councillor
kuche's
question
some
the
response
to
that.
B
The
only
points
that
I
wanted
to
to
maybe
ask
for
further
explanation
around
also
being
a
hockey
mom,
I'm
quite
familiar
with
the
fact
that
between
you
know,
between
the
senators
and
that
facility,
as
well
as
the
sens
plex,
which
hosts
many
tournaments
throughout
the
year.
It's
my
assumption
that
there's
also
quite
a
drive
from
that
sport
as
well
driving
customers
from
out
of
the
city
to
the
shopping
mall
and
just
wondering
any
further
thoughts
on
that.
And,
if
that,
if
there's
partnerships
there
that
are
growing
and
driving
economic
growth
in
the
city.
M
Yeah,
that's
an
absolutely
true
statement.
So
when,
when
the
bell
capital
cup
and
when
there's
hockey
going
on
at
the
sens
flex,
we
absolutely
see
that
that
traffic
come
here.
First
of
all,
they
come
to
eat
between
games,
they're
hungry
and
then
they
spend
their
time
shopping
in
between
and
obviously
we
have
great
brands
that
support
kind
of
that
hockey,
life,
which
you
know
things
like
under
armour
and
nike
and
adidas.
M
All
of
all
those
are
are
great,
hits
with
that
crowd
and
then,
when
it
comes
to
the
ctc,
obviously
hockey's
a
challenging
one
these
days.
But
what
we
have
seen
over
the
past
couple
of
years
and
on
is
huge
traffic
increases
around
the
time
of
events,
whether
they
be
hockey
or
unrelated.
So
you
know
to
put
into
perspective
when
there
was
a
night
with
michelle
obama.
Our
traffic
was
up
over
300
percent
and
that's
not
unique
to
that
event,
that
that
happens
over
many
many
events,
hockey
or
or
other.
B
Okay,
fantastic
just
gonna
move
my
screen
here
a
little
bit
okay,
so
I
have
an
amendment
working
with
staff,
just
a
technical
amendment
to
correct
a
clerical
error
in
an
act
in
the
by-law.
I
see
it
on
the
screen
here
and
I'll
go
through
it.
B
Finance
and
economic
development
committee.
Recommend
council
number
one
add
the
words
family
day
and
remove
good
friday
in
the
definitions
section
of
the
draft
by
law
in
document
document.
One
so
that
the
list
reads:
number
one
holiday
means
a
new
year's
day
b,
family
day
c
victoria
day
d,
canada,
day
e
labor
day
and
f
thanksgiving
day
and
number
two
remove
2005
in
the
tanger
outlets
ottawa
proximity
to
tourist
attractions,
section
of
the
report
related
to
the
canadian
tire
center
on
page
13,
so
that
it
reads:
5
the
2008
nhl
entry
draft.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
Now.
Sarah
boiver
you've
been
answering
some
questions,
but
you're
also
down
to
speak.
Do
you
wish
to
use
your
five
minutes
now
or
simply
take
questions.
M
No
I'm
just
available
for
any
questions
that
may
come
up
and
I
think
stuart
craig.
Our
vice
president
of
development
is
also
on
the
line,
so
he's
available,
probably
for
a
further
statement.
A
So,
mr
craig,
do
you
want
to
offer
your
statement
now.
N
Mayor
watson-
I
I
agree
with
sarah,
I
think
and
with
eric's
comments
earlier.
I
think
the
the
report
speaks
for
itself.
I
don't
think
there's
anything
other
than
just
a
bit
of
long-windedness
that
you
guys
don't
need
to
hear
from
me
that
I
would
add
so.
J
A
Great,
like
your
honesty,
thank
you,
counselor
suds
you're
still
up
to
speak.
If
you'd
like
to
speak
or
are
you
satisfied
with.
A
Okay,
so
our
next
speaker
is
sean
mckenney
from
the
ottawa
district,
labor
council.
I
don't
see
him
on
the
screen.
A
Is
he
on
there
sean
hello.
O
O
Well,
thanks
to
the
committee
for
the
opportunity
to
present
this
morning,
for
those
who
may
not
be
aware,
the
ottawa
district
labor
council
represents
over
90
union
locals
and
has
a
combined
membership
of
over
50
000
working
men
and
women
in
the
city
of
ottawa.
It's
certainly
not
a
secret
that
we
argued
against
the
removal
of
staff
holidays
in
the
gleam
2016
appeal
to
the
omb
got
handily
slapped
down
likewise
the
airport
in
2018.
O
Although
our
decision
then
was
to
not
appeal
to
the
board
here,
we
are
once
again
in
2020,
arguing
against
taking
away
staff
holidays
from
working
people,
the
vast
majority
who
are
working
in
precarious
and
minimum
wage
jobs.
Early
this
year
in
june,
the
ontario
government
floated
the
idea
of
taking
away
stat
holidays
in
the
retail
sector,
province-wide
premier
doug
ford,
backed
down
also
in
june,
saying
at
the
time
I
won't
do
that
to
the
workers.
He
added
people
need
to
take
a
break
with
their
families
nine
times
a
year,
and
that's
quote
that's
verbatim.
O
That's
word
for
word.
A
premiere
is
certainly
not
recognized
as
a
friend
to
most
workers
in
this
province.
Actually,
speaking
about
the
importance
of
stock
holidays
for
workers
and
families
and
quality
of
life
for
those
retail
workers-
and
I
wanted
to
slip
in
here
many
workers,
even
with
existing
labor
legislation-
do
not
have
the
choice
to
work
or
not
to
work
if
requested
by
the
employer.
O
We
get
that
today,
real
cane
management,
the
tenure
outlets
in
canada
may
be
struggling
collecting
reds,
but
that's
not
unlike
the
thousands
upon
thousands
upon
thousands
of
other
businesses
in
this
city
across
this
country
and
around
the
world.
Perhaps
ryokan
management
needs
to
be
more
creative
if
it
wants
to
attract
more
people
to
its
stores
and
not
try
and
do
so
on
the
backs
of
workers
employed
there,
perhaps
to
the
planners.
The
idea
of
an
outdoor
mall
might
not
have
been
such
a
good
one
in
one
of
the
coldest
capitals
in
the
world.
O
Two
things:
two
things
in
respect
to
the
report.
The
city
staff
report
submitted
supporting
application.
Page
12
states
that
led
us
to
support
the
rio
can
tanger
application
were
received.
It
then
names
those
who
provided
the
written
support,
including
the
usual
suspects,
auto
tourism,
ottawa
board
of
trade.
Five
businesses
listed
I'll
just
say
that
again,
a
total
of
five
businesses
located
in
the
tanger
mall.
We
don't
know
if
it's
those
businesses
or
the
toronto
or
american
head
offices
in
the
report-
support
that
application.
O
O
There's
no
question
that
this
city
has
an
incredible
staff:
complement
of
dedicated
professional
and
capable
individuals,
but
no
mention
of
the
pandemic
in
the
report,
a
pandemic
that
has
taken
countless
lives
around
the
world
and
in
the
city
a
pandemic
that
has
thrust
itself
upon
us
with
such
force
and
with
such
speed
that
it
has
altered.
It
has
changed
every
single
aspect
of
our
daily
life,
yet
no
mention
in
the
report.
Let's
face
it
with
our
masks
on
or
otherwise
nothing
has
happened
at
the
canadian
tire
center
in
six
months.
O
There
has
been
no
circle,
a
there's
been
no
concerts,
there's
been
no
michelle
obama
or
kevin
hart,
there's
been
no
hockey
games
and
the
list
goes
on.
Likewise,
the
bell
sends
clex,
there's
been
no
craft,
shows
no
home
and
garden
shows
no
hockey
tournaments,
similar
to
the
thunderbird
sports
center.
Their
criteria,
as
required
under
the
legislation,
has
not
been
met.
Not
today
with
the
pandemic.
O
O
When
I
say
could
you
let
us
all
know
heroes,
one
and
all
those
on
the
front
lines,
including
those
in
retail,
have
proved
to
be
with
many
elected
officials
in
the
city
and
elsewhere,
repeating
the
word
heroes
to
describe
those
workers
that
so
many
of
us
have
become
dependent
on
during
this
pandemic.
At
a
time
when
a
premier
refuses
to
entertain
the
notion
of
removing
stat
holidays
from
the
people
in
ontario,
including
those
in
the
city
of
ottawa,
we
have
a
city
committee
that
is
contemplating
doing
the
opposite.
O
That
truly
is
sad
and
with
a
pandemic
upon
us
and
with
labor
day
a
mere
six
days
away,
it's
a
kin
to
a
slap
in
the
face
to
our
workers,
whether
members
of
a
union
or
not.
We
ask
the
committee
to
vote
down
the
application
until
rio
can
to
reapply
if
they
so
choose
once
the
pandemic
is
over.
That's
you're
out.
A
Great
right
on
time,
thank
you,
mr
mckenney
question
from
councillor
kavanaugh
to
the
delegation.
P
Sorry
about
that.
Thank
you,
mr
mckinney,
for
your
presentation.
I
think
this
is
the
the
oddness
of
this
is
the
timing
that
we're
talking
about
extending
hours
during
a
time
when,
when
it's
been
precarious,
to
go
into
stores
in
the
first
place
is.
Is
that
your
main
point
on
this?
Mr
mckinney?
Are
you
talking
about
holding
off
during
while
we're
going
through
the
covet
19
pandemic.
O
You
know
look,
I
got
beat
up
pretty
bad
during
2016
when
we
tried
to
two
argued
about
glebe.
The
city's
lawyers
were
a
lot
more
effective
than
I
was
there's
there's
several
pieces
in
here,
but
but
but
the
the
requirement
is
clear.
It's
talking
about
today.
It's
not
talking
about
2019,
what's
happening
there
today
the
committee
has
has
has
has
to
go
with
what's
happening
today,
not
2019,
there's
no
hockey
games.
They
can't
use
pieces
of
the
of
the
legislation
calling
for
that
tours
and
designation.
O
If
nothing
exists,
there
are
no
hockey
games,
as
I
said
so,
my
presentation.
So
yes
to
the
committee,
that's
the
biggest
piece
that
during
the
pandemic,
it
does
not
in
any
way
fit
the
requirements.
We
don't
know
when
this
pandemic
is
going
to
be
over
two
years
three
years.
O
You
know
god,
let's
let
let's
hope
that
it's
within
the
next
couple
months,
but
we
don't
know
that
rio
can
can
come
back
and
this
committee,
if
they're
doing
their
their
their
duty
and
far
be
it
for
me
to
tell
them
what
to
do
this.
This
doesn't
fit
and
they've
got
to
send.
Tell
real
can
go
back
reapply
once
this
pandemic
is
ordered,
hey,
hey!
I
don't
mean
to
imply
that
we're
not
going
to
push
back
at
that
time
either.
A
Great
thank
you,
mr
mckinney
questions
to
staff
counselor
brockington.
L
J
L
J
L
L
J
L
L
I
have
people
that
come
as
patients
to
the
civic
hospital
or
royal
ottawa
hospital,
but
we
have
small
business
owners
who
have
said
before
to
me
that
when
the
city
entertains
providing
the
these
exemptions,
which
I'm
not
opposed
to
per
se,
they
feel
that
they're
at
a
a
disadvantage,
because
one
area
or
district
is
allowed
to
open
and
not
another.
Q
Thanks
very
much,
mr
mayor,
as
you
know,
I
don't
I
don't
sit
on
this
committee,
but
I
I
wanted
to
follow
this
and
had
questions
for
staff.
This
somewhat
follows
on
on
what
mr
mckinney
had
to
say
this
morning,
though,
looks
at
it
from
it
from
a
different
perspective.
Q
We
know
that
the
report
doesn't
speak
to
covid
at
all
and
I'm
not
going
to
go
down
the
road
that
mr
mckinney
did,
though
it's
an
interesting
point
about
the
lack
of
activities
in
in
the
various
tourist
destinations,
but
we
heard
from
the
proponent
how
many
out-of-town
visitors
they
have
they
cited
cornwall
and
toronto
and
quebec,
even
china,
and
and
how
this
is
some
of
the
business
that
they
want
to
go
after
and
and
to
promote.
Q
I
I
wonder
why,
whether
this
makes
sense
at
this
juncture
to
be
engaging
and
inviting
people
from
out
of
town
to
come
in
large
numbers,
the
indoor
spaces
in
in
the
fall
and
winter?
Yes,
they'll,
do
it
in
the
summer
too,
if
we
pass
it,
but
there's
thanksgiving
in
there
new
year's
day
boxing
day,
I
I
just
I
I
so
this
is
more
a
question
of
staff
I
kept
and
we
considered
this.
Q
Does
this
make
good
sense
when
we're
dealing
with
the
biggest
health
crisis,
we
ever
had
encouraging
more
people
to
come
to
the
city,
more
people
to
be
inside.
Yes,
it's
an
outdoor
mall,
but
in
december
you're,
not
spending
a
lot
of
time
outdoors
on
new
year's
day,
you're,
not
spending
a
lot
of
time
outdoors
you're
in
the
stores,
so
my
question
staff
is:
why
wasn't
this
taken
into
consideration
and-
and
you
know
frankly-
does
it
make
sense
to
be
doing
this
at
this
time?
Or
is
this
something
that
perhaps
should
be
tabled?
Q
J
I
think
in
this
instance,
what
we're
really
looking
at
are
the
covert
restrictions
really
taking
priority
over
any
anything
else
in
this
instance.
So
we're
still
looking
at
the
guidelines
from
auto
public
health,
which
will
be
implemented
to
ensure
the
safety
of
both
the
employees
and
the
customers
that
decide
to
visit
the
location.
Q
Okay,
fair
enough,
but
but
would
you
agree
that
one
of
the
main
reasons
this
is
being
asked
for
is
to
encourage
tourist
traffic,
so
people
from
out
of
town
to
come
to
ottawa
to
spend
time
essentially
indoors.
J
J
I
think,
in
this
instance,
that's
up
for
committee
to
make
that
decision,
but,
as
previously
mentioned,
this
is
a
conversation
that
began
prior
to
the
pandemic,
reaching
ottawa,
that
that
can
be
more
future
looking
going
out
years
into
the
future.
Q
A
Okay,
councillor
gower,
please.
E
Thank
you,
mr
mayor
morning,
brian,
I
wanted
some
clarity
on
the
the
geographic
boundaries
of
what's
considered:
tangor
outlets,
for
example,
there's
a
cabela's
and
a
princess
auto
that
I
wouldn't
consider
tango
outlets,
but
I
just
want
clarity
on
what's
included
in
this
application.
J
E
Okay
and
I'm.
E
So
if
there
are
additional
businesses
within
two
kilometers
of
canadian
tire
center,
it
would
be
up
to
each
of
them
to
make
an
individual
application
to
the
city
in
order
to
to
be
exempt
from
the
to
be
able
to
allow
to
open,
because
there's
a
number
of
retail
businesses
in
canada
south
around
say
where
the
costco
is
two
kilometers
from
canadian
tire
center
will
would
include
a
few
businesses
from
hazelden
road.
E
A
Great
thank
you
counselor
and
councillor
suds
who's,
the
ward
counselor
for
this
project.
B
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
Just
a
couple
questions
for
staff,
the
first
one
I
I
am
following
along
the
line
of
questioning
and
counselor
egg
lie
has
raised
specifically
around
covid
and
you
know
I
I
respect
that.
B
This
is
an
important
point
to
raise
at
this
point
in
time,
as
we
consider
the
application,
I'm
wondering
brian,
if
you
can
speak
to
or
or
perhaps
stephen
the
importance
of
tourism
as
we
look
at
our
economic
recovery
as
a
city,
because
I
think
I
think
we
need
to
factor
that
in
you
know
we
we
are
open
for
business.
We
are
going
through
the
provincial
stages,
and
so
that's
not
something
we
can
change.
B
Perhaps
it
will
change
if,
if
we
do,
you
know
have
a
setback.
This
fall.
But,
having
said
that,
you
know
the
province
has
set
the
guidelines
as
to
reopening
so
we're
open,
and
I
think
it's
important
as
a
city
to
grab
opportunities
to
help
our
economy
recover
and
tourism
has
been
hit
tremendously
hard.
So
so
you
know,
I
guess
what
I'm
asking
is.
Is
what
role
can
this
help
play
in
that
economic
recovery.
J
I
think
it's
no
surprise
that
tourism
is
one
of
the
hardest
hit
industries
with
also
having
effects
on
the
retail
sector,
and
what
we
do
know
is
ottawa.
Tourism
is
really
looking
at
really
hyper
local
right.
Now
we
get
inter-provincial
looking
at
day
trips,
so
we
do
see
this
as
an
opportunity
to
start
building
out
and
working
in
conjunction
with
those
plans.
B
Okay
and
then,
secondly,
a
point
that
councilor
brockington
raised,
which
I
think
is
important,
is
the
point
that
you
know
why
here
and
not
all
businesses
across
the
city
and-
and
I
can
appreciate
that
question
and
those
concerns.
I
guess
in
my
mind
it
it.
It
doesn't
make
economic
sense
for
all
businesses
to
open,
because
they
don't
have
that
that
draw
that
tourism
draw
of
customers
that
that
substantiates,
you
know
being
open
on
some
of
these
holidays.
B
So
what
I'd
like
to
hear
from
you,
brian,
is
you
know
the
impact
of,
for
example,
allowing
tangor
to
open,
because
there
has
to
be
spin-off
effects.
You
know
these
taurus
regional
destination.
Shoppers
are
spending
money,
not
just
in
tanger,
and
I
think
it's
important
to
factor
that
into
our
decision
making,
because
it
has
a
snowball
effect
and
that
creates
jobs
and
wealth
in
our
city
and
at
a
time
where
we're
struggling-
and
we
know
the
next
few
years
are
going
to
be
tough.
J
Thank
you.
What
we
do
know
is
that,
quite
often
when
people
are
visiting
tang
rails
they're
making
a
day
of
it,
so
we're
seeing
spin-off
positive
benefits
to
places
such
as
hotels,
restaurants
and
things
of
that
nature.
B
Okay,
thank
you,
and
I
I
think
that
that's
the
point
I'm
trying
to
make
is
that,
although
yes,
the
businesses
in
tanger
will
benefit,
it
is
not
just
them
and
it
is
those
spin-off
effects.
It
is
restaurants
in
the
area,
it
is
hotels
in
the
area.
It
is
the
sports,
leagues
and
whatnot
that
also
draw,
and
these
these
tourists
to
our
city
and
the
people
who
work
in
all
of
those
businesses
don't
necessarily
come
from
canada
north.
B
So
there
is
a
benefit
from
an
employment
perspective
that
I
think
is
important
to
consider
it.
You
know,
I
think
the
number
is
we
lost
55
or
56
000
jobs
in
our
city
up
till
july,
due
to
covet,
so
I
I
think
we
need
to
put
that
into
perspective
as
well.
This
is
a
time
where
those
jobs
are
important,
and
this
is
an
opportunity
for
for
spin-off
jobs
to
be
created
and
supported.
So
thank
you.
A
Great
thank
you
councillor
hubley,
please.
R
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
I
want
to
echo
what
my
colleague
to
the
north
just
said.
This
is
really
planning
for
the
future,
for
when
the
stores
open
or
sorry
when
businesses
come
back
and
covet
is
under
control,
I
can
speak
firsthand
that
I've
been
to
tanger
a
couple
times
over
the
last
month
and
what
I
observed
was
a
lot
of
people
wearing
their
masks.
R
I
had
to
wait
in
line
to
enter
a
number
of
stores
because
they
were
queuing
people
up
following
the
public
health
recommendations,
so
I'm
not
sure
why
we
would
want
to
penalize
them
and
and
start
parking
all
our
decisions
until
covet
is
under
control.
For
anything
you
know,
I
think,
of
planning
decisions
and
other
committees
if
we're
going
to
start
parking
all
that
that
is
really
going
to
take
effect
or
we
benefit
from
after
covet
we're
going
to
have
quite
a
few
decisions
in
the
queue.
R
If
we
do
that,
so
I
I
want
to
share
my
experience
that
they
are
following
the
protocols
and
even
when
it
gets
cold,
I
fully
expect
there
will
be
people
standing
outside.
They
have
outdoor
heaters
in
that
I've
been
over
there
in
the
winter.
You
don't
experience
the
same
crowds,
but
you
do
see.
People
coming
in.
R
The
other
thing
I
want
to
point
out
here
is
that
this
location,
the
tanger
el
mal,
is
a
major
employer
of
young
people,
as
jenna
mentioned,
not
just
in
canada,
north
they
come
from
canada,
south
they
come
from
stittsville.
They
come
from
all
around
to
go
there
because
there's
a
lot
of
jobs
there
and
what
we
have
noticed
from
the
coved
experience
is
a
number
of
the
businesses
at
tangor
have
closed.
A
number
of
businesses
said
all
our
malls
and
and
restaurants,
and
so
on.
R
In
the
neighborhood,
we've
lost
a
lot
of
businesses
and
a
lot
of
jobs.
We're
not
really
seeing
the
impact
of
that
yet
because
of
the
the
federal
government
support
programs,
so
there
it
hasn't
become
as
big
an
issue
for
the
city
that
I
think
it
will
be
in
about
six
months
time.
R
So
I
think
we,
as
a
committee
should
do
what's
right,
support
this
application,
because
we
all
came
together
a
couple
years
ago
and
supported
the
one
in
capital
award
and
and
elsewhere
over
the
the
years
we
we've
applied
this
to
tourist
destinations
and,
as
several
my
colleagues
said,
all
it
takes
is
a
walk
through
that
parking
lot
to
know
how
many
tourists
are
there
pre-covered
and
probably
post-covet.
R
It
is
a
major
destination
for
folks
to
come
in
there.
One
last
point,
mr
mayor:
we
don't
ask
our
businesses
to
under
covet
we're
asking
them
to
get
names
so
for
the
contract
contact
tracing
purposes,
but
in
regular
times
we
do
not
ask
our
businesses
to
track
who
is
shopping
there.
You
know
we
we
take
into
account
people's
privacy
and
we're
not
trying
to
find
that
out.
R
So
I
think
it's
unfair
to
make
a
judgment
and
say
you
must
provide
us
how
how
many
people
come
from
what
part
of
town
or
what
part
of
the
province
or
what
part
of
the
country
to
your
business.
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
A
Great,
thank
you.
Counselor
to
staff
brian
are
stores
required
to
open
on
those
holidays
if
they
they
choose
not
to
and
the
same
with
them.
My
understanding
is
employees
can
decline
working
those
extra
hours.
I
guess
it
would
normally
be
time
and
a
half
they'd
be
paid.
J
A
And
in
terms
of
the
employees
they
they
have
the
right
to
not
work
on
those
days
that
they
choose
not
to.
But
if
they
do
are
they
paid
time
and
a
half.
A
So
just
a
couple
of
comments,
thank
you
to
our
presenters,
both
the
proponents
and
mr
mckinney.
I
I'm
going
to
support
this.
I
think
a
number
of
you
recognize
that
I
and
some
of
your
colleagues
have
been
work.
Well.
All
of
you
really
have
been
working
hard
to
help
those
businesses
in
your
wards
survive
covet
and,
as
jenna
pointed
out,
we've
lost
tens
of
thousands
of
jobs.
A
So
if
we
have
an
opportunity
through
a
regulatory
mechanism,
that's
been
given
to
us
by
the
province
to
allow
a
business
to
open
longer
hours,
particularly
on
those
days
that
we're
talking
about
it,
gives
those
individuals
more
opportunity
to
earn
more
money,
and
it
also
gives
those
companies
more
opportunity
to
hire
more
people.
So
you
know
everything
that
we've
been
doing
since
covet
has
been
focused
first
and
foremost
on
health
and
public
safety.
A
But
a
close
second
is
economic
renewal
and
revitalization,
and
we
very
much
need
you
know
to
be
working
hand-in-hand
with
the
business
community
to
ensure
that
we
attract
more
people.
So
the
notion
that
you
know
we
don't
want
to
attract
people
is
wrong.
We
are,
we
have
been
through
our
buy
local
campaign
through
our
advertising
campaigns
through
bias,
who
are
working
very,
very
aggressively
to
attract
people
to
their
neighborhoods.
A
Well,
whether
it's
you
know
west
wellington
or
the
glebe
or
montreal
road,
we
are
doing
all
we
can
with
limited
resources
to
open
opportunities
up
for
people
who
want
to
work
who
want
to
get
that
first
job,
perhaps
in
retail,
and
who
want
to
make
a
little
bit
more
money
to
help
pay
their
bills.
Today,
of
course,
is
september
1st
a
lot
of
our
fellow
citizens
are
going
to
have
a
tough
time
paying
their
rent
because
they've
lost
their
job,
so
anything
we
can
do.
That
is
reasonable.
A
That
is
safe
to
ensure
that
we
open
up
opportunities
for
economic
development
and
and
jobs
we
should
be
doing
so.
I'd
urge
you
to
support
the
staff
recommendation
and,
as
was
pointed
out,
this
was
done
before
covet
19,
but
we
cannot
wait
in
perpetuity
to
decide
whether
the
canadian
tire
center
is
going
to
be
hosting
shows
and
so
on
in
two
months
or
two
years
from
now
the
rest
of
the
business
community
that
can
open
and
can
expand.
We've
got
to
give
them
those
opportunities.
A
So
we
have
a
a
motion
by
councillor
suds,
which
is
a
technical
amendment
on
the
motion
carrier.
A
Thank
you,
okay,
so
I
believe
that
is
our
last
delegate
or
that's
the
last
item
with
delegates.
So
we'll
go
back
to
the
beginning
of
the
agenda
and
we
have
a
video
and
presentation
on
stage
two,
our
quarterly
update
for
lrt.
So
we
have
michael
morgan,
who
is
doing
the
presentation
mr
manconi
sends
his
regrets,
he's
not
able
to
be
here
due
to
a
family
issue,
so
we'll
go
over
to
michael
morgan.
Michael,
are
you
there?
You
are
right
there
good
morning.
S
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
We,
I
think
the
video
should
be
queued
up
and
we'll
start
with
the
video
and
then
I'll
walk
through
the
normal
slide
deck
and
give
you
an
update
on
the
design
and
the
rest
of
the
works.
A
B
A
A
S
So
that
video
will
be
available
shortly
to
share
and
hear
it
online
with
the
with
the
music,
hopefully
when
it
when
it
comes
out,
so
I
do
have
a
slide
deck
so
carol.
If
you
put
up
the
slide
deck
I'll
go
through
that
quickly
and
provide
some
narrative
around
the
work,
that's
been
ongoing
and
the
progress
that
we've
been
making.
S
So
if
we
just
go
to
put
it
in
the
presentation
mode
great
and
then
we
skip
right
ahead,
we're
going
to
start
with
the
trillium
line
and
we'll
go
to
slide
three
we'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
the
design
progress,
so
you
know
there's
several
hundred
designers
working
away
for
transit
next,
getting
to
the
final
final
stages
of
design,
so
we
have
issued
for
construction
drawings,
the
design,
sequences,
preliminary
designs,
final
designs,
construction,
designs
and
issued
for
construction.
S
S
The
next
kind
of
set
of
packages
that
are
coming
through
airport
station
guideway
work,
we're
seeing
those
final
designs
come
through
and
then
a
variety
of
structures
on
kind
of
the
northern
or
existing
section
of
the
alignment
go
to
slide.
Five
still
looking
at
some
final,
so
this
is
kind
of,
I
would
say,
the
sixty
to
eighty
percent
design
packages,
dazzling
tunnels,
getting
a
massive
upgrade
at
upgrading
the
tunnel
ventilation
system
and
a
variety
of
other
things.
S
The
the
new
vehicles
from
stadler
have
undergone
their
final
design,
so
that's
progressing
nicely,
and
then
we
go
to
slide
six.
You
know
still
still
some
work
to
be
done
on
the
track
layout
in
the
the
maintenance
yard,
trying
to
kind
of
optimize
that
so
it
works,
works
well
for
our
in-service
period.
Signaling,
train
control,
looking
at
a
siemens
solution
for
the
signaling
system,
which
looks
to
be
very
good
we're
into
the
pre,
essentially
the
pre-final
on
some
of
these
stations.
S
This
is
essentially
just
the
preliminary
design
of
some
of
these
stations,
and
I
know,
there's
some
discussion
that
we've
been
having
with
with
those
stations
and
improvements
that
we
can
make,
and
then
the
communication
systems
as
well.
If
we
go
to
slide
seven
talk
a
little
bit
about
just
the
the
progress
so
kind
of
a
big
milestone
for
the
project
this
summer
was
to
complete
the
rock
excavation
at
gladstone
station.
S
We're
starting
to
see
the
walkthrough
maintenance
facility
kind
of
grow
out
of
the
ground
as
well.
That's
coming
together
nicely
and
then
I've
got
some
photos
here
on
some
of
the
work
at
ellwood
diamond.
Just
to
give
you
a
sense
of
how
much
work
is
involved
at
that
location
and
then
recently,
south
keys,
we've
broken
ground
on
that
station
and
boeseville
station.
S
If
you
drive
past
that
future
park
and
ride,
you
can
start
to
see
the
piles
going
into
the
ground
at
that
location
for
that
the
buildup
of
that
station
as
well
on
slide
eight,
some
additional
progress.
You
know
for
all
of
these
rail
bridges,
we've
seen
a
lot
of
progress
over
the
summer
with
the
bridge
girders
going
up
and
the
embankments
being
built
up
to
those
bridges
and
so
a
lot
of
progress.
S
I
don't
have
a
date
for
when
the
first
track
is
going
to
be
laid,
but
all
the
long
strings
of
rail
are
being
put
together
now
so,
which
is
a
good.
A
good
sign
for
the
project
go
to
slide.
Nine
just
gives
you
a
bit
of
a
before
and
after
of
gladstone
station,
so
back
in
may,
when
we
closed
the
trillium
line
north
and
then
just
kind
of
a
photo
of
august,
where
we
are
now
in
terms
of
the
excavation
and
the
the
preparation
for
future
gladstone
station.
S
The
next
slide
shows
you
elwood
diamond.
So
this
is
a
great
separation
of
the
rio
between
the
trillium
line
traffic
and
the
via
rail
traffic.
As
you
can
see,
I've
highlighted
three
bridges.
That
kind
of
are
all
in
sequence:
there
are
sawmill
creek,
bridge,
transitway
bridge
and
then
the
actual
rail
diamond.
So
the
we're
creating
a
massive
structure.
That's
going
to
go
over
all
three
of
those
locations.
S
The
transit
ray
bridge
comes
out.
Sawmill
creek
rail
bridge
comes
out
as
well,
so
that
all
gets
rebuilt.
So
there's
a
lot
of
activity
at
that
location.
It's
kind
of
tucked
away.
You
can't
see
it
from
the
road,
but
a
lot
of
work
to
get
that
done.
That
will
be
a
great
outcome
for
this
project.
Go
to
the
next
slide.
We
just
have
a
highlight
of
the
walkthrough
maintenance
facility,
so
they're,
slowly
kind
of
putting
it
together
piece
by
piece
next
slide
shows
south
key
station,
so
we
broke
ground
there
recently.
S
You
know
this
is
going
to
be
a
very
interesting
station,
because
this
is
where
the
transfers
happen
for
the
airport
link,
so
there'll
be
a
lot
of
track
work,
there's
a
lot
of
utilities
and
culverts
in
this
area.
So
it's
a
pretty
dense
area
for
construction
and
it
also
provides
a
critical
link
down
to
the
nrc
facility.
So
that's
kind
of
has
us
on
a
critical
path
to
get
that
completed.
So
we
can
restore
freight
deliveries
to
the
national
research
council.
S
The
next
few
slides
slide
13
shows
the
leicester
rail
bridge.
So
this
is,
you
know,
just
very
close
to
that
nrc
facility,
but
this
is
a
good
location,
we're
essentially
eliminating
an
at-grade
crossing
at
this
location.
We
do
have
buses
that
go
through
here
so
and
traffic.
So
that's
a
very
good
outcome
for
the
project
at
that
location.
S
Bleacher
rail
bridge
on
the
next
slide
slide
14..
So
there's
a
very
long
structure
here
that
we've
built
essentially
we're
going
over
leitrim,
road
and
then
we're
basically
coming
down
just
enough
to
to
go
to
leitrim
station
future
station.
So
a
very
long
structure
at
that
location.
If
we
go
to
15,
we
see
the
boseville
rail
bridge,
so
some
of
the
night
work
that
took
place
when
the
road
was
closed.
S
To
put
the
girders
in
place,
we're
continuing
to
build
up
the
the
guideway
that
meets
this
location
and
then
we
need
to
do
some
topping
work
on
top
of
that
location
to
to
make
it
ready
for
for
the
secondary
works
for
the
platform
and
the
tracks
and
the
rest
of
it.
The
next
one
line
bank
station.
So
this
is
a
there's
going
to
be
a
big
structure
at
this
location.
So
this
is
going
to
be
the
elevated
station.
S
You
see
the
initial
case
ons
in
place
there
for
the
station's
going
to
go
over
the
road
at
this
location
and
then
drop
back
down
for
the
long
three
kilometer
connection
back
to
boseville
go
to
slide
17.
S
We
see
the
airport
parkway
rail
bridge,
so
a
lot
of
work
there
to
get
that
that
done
that
that
was
a
success.
They
were
able
to
get
that
those
girders
in
overnight
without
any
without
any
issues.
So
we're
very
happy
with
the
progress
we're
seeing
there
slide.
18
uplands
rail
bridge,
you
see,
they're
starting
to
put
on
the
you
know
the
precast
panels,
on
top
in
preparation
for
building
up
the
rest
of
that
structure
to
support
the
train
traffic.
S
So
you
know
the
trillium
line
is:
is
characterized
by
all
these
rail
bridges
and
and
they've
gone
up
very
quickly
over
the
summer.
You
know,
there's
a
couple
more
to
do
so
we
go
to
slide
19.
We'll
talk
about
some
upcoming
work,
some
critical
things
that
are
happening.
We
need
to
do
some
additional
blasting
rock
excavation
at
carling
station
to
lengthen
carling
station,
as
well
as
between
beach
street
and
the
417.
We
need
to
do
some
widening
to
allow
more
double
track
in
that
area.
S
As
I
spoke
about
the
caisson
excavation
and
the
elwood
diamond
rail
bridge,
which
is
a
big
part
of
the
project
of
walk
lee
facilities
coming
along
nicely
next
big
kind
of
physical
change
that
people
will
see
is
the
hunt
club
rail
bridge.
We
need
to
start
that
there's
currently
a
single
track
rail
bridge
over
that
location,
we're
going
to
add
a
second
track,
as
well
as
a
multi-use
pathway
or
pedestrian
bridge
at
that
location.
S
So,
hunt
club
will
have
very
good
connectivity
as
well
as
a
double
track
rail
across
that
location
and
we'll
start
to
see
the
stations
all
the
foundations
are
going
to
be
coming
online.
Soon,
we've
already
seen
work
at
south
keys
in
boseville
uplands
will
be
starting
soon,
as
well
in
terms
of
traffic
and
mobility
impacts
on
slide
20.
S
Obviously,
the
first,
the
biggest
one
was
closing
line
two,
and
so
that
that
will
be
closed
until
we
open
the
system
in
a
couple
of
years.
You
know
a
variety
of
multi-use
pathways
have
been
affected.
You
know
trying
to
put
in
good
detours
with
good
signage
to
get
around
those
locations.
Obviously
tarleton
station.
You
know,
there's
a
there's
a
bridge
there.
S
We
want
to
re
rehabilitate
with
the
maltese
pathway
underneath
gladstone
carling,
a
couple
of
changes
coming
up
there
carling
the
big
one
being
at
carling
station,
where
we
need
to
do
the
rock
excavation
and
the
multiuse
pathway
is
essentially
right,
adjacent
to
the
the
rock
cut,
so
some
important
detours
there
to
allow
that
work
to
progress
slide.
21
you'll
see
a
couple
more
things
that
are
coming
up.
S
The
muppet
south
keys,
that's
already
on
detour
at
walkway,
there'll,
be
a
detour
just
behind
the
the
hotel
there
on
that
mop,
because
we
need
space
to
build
walkway
station
and
brookfield
map
as
we
go
to
build
the
via
grade
separation.
There'll
be
some
impacts
at
that
location
that
we
need
to
manage
as
well.
So
that's
the
that's
the
update
on
on
the
trillium
line,
and
so
we
go
to
the
next
slide.
S
Talk
about
some
of
the
work
that's
happening
in
the
east,
so
in
terms
of
the
design
updates
on
slide
23
starting
to
get
into
these
construction
drawings
for
some
of
the
stations,
which
is
really
good.
Roadway
drainage
works.
We're
going
to
start
to
see
a
lot
of
additional
roadway
work
in
the
east
between
montreal
road
and
champlain
bridge
coming
in
the
next
couple
of
months,
and
so
getting
those
construction
drawings
in
place
is
critical
to
that
go
to
slide
24
and
some
final
designs
that
we're
working
on
track
and
guideway.
The
overall
design.
S
Some
of
the
existing
bridges
need
some
rehabilitation
work.
The
montreal
station
bridge,
we
built
the
bridges
adjacent
to
montreal
station,
and
now
we
need
to
focus
on
the
design
for
the
station
itself,
traction
power,
overhead,
catenary,
train
control
and
signaling,
and
so
you
know
it's
really
great
to
see
those
packages
advancing.
S
You
know
well
in
advance
of
when
we're
gonna
be
starting
that
work,
but
you
know
paves
the
way
for
for
smooth
smooth
construction
work
later
on
the
project,
which
is
really
good
flight
25
we're
starting
to
get
to
the
point
where
we
start
have
some
insights
as
to
the
public
artwork
and
how
that's
going
to
feed
in
I
know
we
been
working
very
closely
with
the
public
art
team
and
with
the
the
builders
for
the
confederation
line
extensions
to
to
get
some
updates
there,
so
there'll
be
something
coming
out
potentially
later
this
year,
some
updates
that
they
can
provide
july
26.
S
Some
of
the
progress
that
you
we've
been
seeing
or
you're
going
to
see
the
montreal
interchange
I'll
show
you
some
pictures
of
that.
There's
a
lot
of
work
been
happening
there
widening
at
greens,
creek
and
then
there's
a
series
of
things
right
near
blair
station
there's
a
lot
of
activity
between
blair
and
montreal
road.
There's
a
lot
of
activity
there
on
to
slide.
27
show
you
some
the
actual
construction
photos,
so
this
is
actually
so.
S
If
you
go
to
slide
28,
you
can
see
from
a
ground
level
a
lot
of
paving
activity,
a
lot
of
detours
kind
of
pretty
that
go
into
place
pretty
quickly
in
and
out
they've
been
making
a
lot
of
changes
in
this
area.
You
go
to
the
next
slide.
Montreal
road,
the
big
big
push,
is
to
get
traffic
flipped
onto
the
new
montreal
road
bridge
on
slide,
30
you'll
see
the
structure.
S
S
If
you
go
to
slide
31,
we
have
a
bit
of
a
before
and
after
shot
of
where
we
were
in
may
and
then
the
build
up
to
august
when
we
have
now
the
the
structures
in
place
and
we're
putting
the
precast
panels
and
starting
to
get
ready
to
pave
that
section
and
to
move
traffic
onto
that
new
that
those
new
road
bridges
in
terms
of
upcoming
work,
so
you're
going
to
continue
to
see
a
lot
of
work
between
blair
station
and
greens
creek,
the
widening
of
the
highway,
that's
going
to
kind
of
increase
in
intensity.
S
So
that's
going
to
you're
going
to
be
able
to
see
the
work
and
the
progress
very
tangibly
in
the
coming
months,
or
so
in
terms
of
the
next
slide
33
the
impacts
I
mean,
I
think,
we've
seen
the
impacts
we
were
able
to
kind
of
reduce
montreal
road
over
the
summer
and
re
restore
it
to
the
four
lane
configuration
just
recently
a
few
weeks
ago,
which
was
very
good
ahead
of
labor
day,
which
we're
very
pleased
with
that
progress
and
the
ability
to
kind
of
restore
the
restore
to
the
road
to
its
original
configuration.
S
So
that's
in
the
east.
The
big
work
is
really
by
the
end
of
november,
we're
expecting
to
see
that
all
the
road
traffic
moved
on
to
the
new
bridges
and
that
center
the
existing
center
bridge
torn
down
to
make
way
for
the
montreal
station
construction
we
go
on
to
the
west,
I'm
going
to
slide.
35
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
design
progress,
so
obviously
the
parkway
tunnel
we've
seen
some
some
final
submissions
on
that
for
some
early
works,
there's
a
variety
of
bridges.
Trillium
line
is
characterized
by
rail
bridges.
S
S
You
know
a
variety
of
structures,
baseline
bus
operator,
building
we're
going
to
start
working
on
a
new
facility
there
shortly
in
a
variety
of
you,
know,
drainage,
work,
utility
works,
the
type
of
stuff
that
you
would
expect
at
this
stage
of
the
project
onto
slide
37
see
a
little
bit
about
kind
of
the
the
progress
I
think
there's
roughly
70
design
packages
that
are
under
review
now.
S
S
Some
final
roadway
drainage
works,
pedestrian
bridges,
obviously
queensview
pedestrian
bridge
greens,
creek
pedestrian
bridge,
there's
a
number
of
bridges
and
underpasses
that
are
that
are
being
added
to
the
project
or
included
in
the
project
going
to
slide
39
some
of
the
construction
progress
that
you've
seen.
You
know
we're
going
full
blast
at
moody
for
the
lmsf
facility,
byron,
linear
park.
Things
are,
you
know,
there's
been
a
lot
of
prep
work,
a
lot
of
fencing
and
lay
down
area
preparation.
That's
been
happening
over
the
last
few
months.
S
That
area
is
going
to
really
increase
in
intensity
in
the
coming
days.
Lincoln
fields
has
been
a
hive
of
activity
as
they
build
a
structure
there
and
then
a
variety
of
things
over
at
iris,
higher
station
pinecrest
pond
so
work
all
across
the
west,
which
is
very
good
and
I'll.
Show
you
some
photos
of
that
in
a
second
on
slide
40.
Some
final
comments
about
some
upcoming
activity
lincoln
field
station,
so
we
are
getting
ready
starting
to
do
the
preparations
for
some
of
the
bus
detours
in
that
area.
S
We
do
have
to
tear
down
the
existing
lincoln
field
station
and
build
a
new
rail
station,
so
there'll
be
a
variety
of
detours
through
that
area
over
the
coming
years,
as
we
build
up
the
new
station
in
terms
of
some
of
the
photos
slide,
41
shows
a
pretty
pretty
complex
area,
so
iris
station
iris
road
bridge,
there's
culvert
work,
there's
a
variety
of
things
that
need
to
happen
in
this
area,
including
putting
the
buses
on
detour.
S
So
this
is
kind
of
a
big
big
focus
of
the
project
right
now,
if
you
go
to
slide
42,
you
see
that
the
moody
light
maintenance
and
storage
facility
in
the
distance
there's
a
couple
of
cranes
and
we're
putting
in
some
foundations.
There
is
a
small
creek
at
that
end
of
the
facility,
and
so
we
need
to
obviously
create
a
few
small
bridges
to
get
over
that
creek
and
keep
it
intact.
And
so
that's
the
work.
That's
progressing
there
now
going
to
slide.
43
you
see
cannot
so
this
is
in
in
the
foreground.
S
On
the
left,
you
see
that's
the
pinecrest
bus
facility.
You
can
kind
of
get
a
sense
of
where
the
tunnel
is
coming
through
there.
If
you,
you
draw
a
diagonal
line
from
the
park
through
to
just
the
right-hand
side
of
the
bus
facility.
That's
where
the
cannot
tunnel
is
going
to
go.
So
it's
going
to
cut
under
that
residential
neighborhood
before
it
pops
up
adjacent
to
the
highway.
S
You
go
onto
slide,
44,
lincoln
fields,
a
variety
work
here.
This
photo
is
not
you
know,
just
some
caissons
being
put
in
place,
but
if
you
see
on
slide
45,
you
kind
of
get
a
better
sense
of
some
of
the
work.
That's
ongoing.
So
again,
the
rail
line
is
going
to
from
the
bottom
of
the
page
pop
out
from
the
parkway
tunnel
cut
through
across
lincoln
fields
and
then
split
before
it
drops
back
down
into
the
the
tunnel
on
the
other,
not
tunnels.
S
So
essentially
you
know
a
vertical
line
through
the
middle
of
this
page
is
where
the
the
train
is
going
to
be
running
in
the
future.
S
We
can
kind
of
maintain
the
width,
but
where
you
need
to
do
excavation
for
the
two
tunnels
or
tunnel
stations
clear
in
the
orchard,
you
need
a
lot
more
width
and
so
there's
a
lot
more
impacts
on
on
the
roadway
and
tightening
up
and
so
a
bunch
of
work
that
we
need
to
do
in
this
area
in
terms
of
optimizing
pedestrian
crossings
and
optimizing
bus
locations
and
while
also
still
accommodating
all
the
construction
work
that
needs
to
take
place
in
this
area,
you
go
to
slide
47.
S
We
see
goldenrod
bridge.
So
this
is
where
you
know.
If
you
look
out
past
the
end
of
tony's
pasture
station,
you
essentially
you
see
what
is
a
roadblock
or
a
train
block
there.
You
know
a
small
road,
that's
on
on
a
hill,
so
we're
going
to
put
in
a
bridge
there.
Obviously,
that's
an
obstruction
to
the
rail
line
and
this
will
be
kind
of
the
start
of
construction
into
the
the
rest
of
the
transit
way
now,
but
a
bridge
needs
to
go
in
there.
S
First,
we'll
put
buses
on
detoured
system
a
slight
detour
through
this
area
once
that
new
bridge
is
in
place
just
to
allow
the
the
track
construction
to
continue
in
this
area
in
terms
of
some
of
the
upcoming
work
on
slide
48,
so
the
cut
and
cover
tunnel
that
is,
you
know,
one
of
the
critical
pieces
of
the
project
in
the
west
is
starting
soon
lincoln
fields,
there'll
be
some
very
visible
progress.
S
We
we
see
that
once
they
get
the
caissons
in
the
ground,
they're
able
to
put
the
pier
caps
up
quickly
and
put
the
girders
in
quickly-
and
you
see
some
very
tangible
progress,
and
so
that
that
will
be
a
big
change
that
neighborhood
I'm
still
looking
at
you
know
a
lot
of
material
needs
to
be
moved
out
for
the
two
tunnels,
and
so
we
are
putting
in
a
temporary
hauling
road
at
queensview
station
to
avoid
having
to
go
through
the
residential
neighborhoods,
a
variety
of
utility
protections.
S
Iris
traffic
realignment
to
continue
the
construction
there
and
then
some
other
water
main
relocations.
You
go
to
slide
49.
We
start
to
see
some
of
the
traffic
mobility
impacts,
so
the
the
s
jam
basically
handed
over.
Now
it's
it's.
The
current
configuration
is
out
of
the
way
of
the
tunnel
construction,
and
so
we
can
start
down
that
that
path
and
start
with
that
work.
A
series
of
you
know
off-peak
closures
on
richmond
road.
You
know
lincoln
field
station
there'll
be
a
series
of
detours
as
we
move
through
there.
Irish
street.
S
You
know
a
variety
of
impacts
already
to
date,
but
obviously,
once
we
need
to
put
the
buses
on
detour
around
that
area
that
next
year,
there'll
be
some
larger
impacts,
so
that's
kind
of
the
construction
in
the
west.
If
I
talk
about
the
the
two
fleets
of
vehicles
that
we're
ordering
the
stage
two
allston
citizen
vehicles,
so
we've
accepted
four
of
them.
Those
four
are
now
in
in
service.
We
are
starting
to
see
additional
vehicles
come
out
of
the
brampton
facility.
S
So
if
you
go
to
slide
51,
it
shows
just
a
quick
shot
of
the
brampton
facility.
As
you
know,
the
a
number
of
the
vehicles
are
going
to
be
built
at
that
location
and
then
shipped
or
trucked
to
ottawa.
I
believe
the
first
one
may
have
trucked
in
this
weekend,
but
they
are
making
good
progress.
They
did
slow
down
temporarily
for
kobe,
but
they're
back
up
and
running
again
slide.
52
talk
a
little
bit
about
the
stadler
flirt
vehicles,
and
so
this
is
again.
S
I
think
I
spoke
previously
that
this
is
really
that
the
crux
of
the
the
trillium
line
project
is
seeing
these
vehicles
arrive
in
in
2021.
You
know
that's
going
to
be
kind
of
a
big
indicator
for
the
success
of
that
project.
Manufacturing
is
set
to
begin
later
this
year
and
once
we
have
some
visuals
of
that,
we'll
be
sure
to
share
that
slide.
53
stakeholder
engagement,
you
know,
with
the
onset
of
covid,
we've
moved
all
of
our
consultations
online.
A
number
of
those
were
very
successful.
S
You
know
we're
going
to
conti.
We
need
to
do
a
number
of
additional
consultations
as,
as
we
start
to
see
some
additional
information
come
out
of
the
two
design
teams,
and
so
we're
going
to
continue
with
those
and
continue
providing
as
much
information
as
we
get
as
we
can
with
the
community
with
the
counselors
for
their
respective
areas,
as
the
information
is
brought
forward
from
from
the
two
design
teams.
So
with
that,
mr
mayor
I'll
take
questions
if
there
are
any
on
the
progress
or
the
the
general
update.
A
R
Sorry,
thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
want
to
thank
michael
for
the
excellent
presentation.
Michael,
can
you
just
confirm
that
our
schedules
are
still
intact?
We,
we
haven't
had
any
significant
delays
identified
as
yet
to
the
the
stage
two
project
due
to
covet
or
anything.
S
Yeah
you
know,
I
think
that
appreciating,
for
example,
the
the
brampton
facility
had
a
bit
of
a
stop
and
a
start
due
to
covid
in
a
general
kind
of
slow
down,
we're
still
monitoring
the
impacts
to
see
kind
of
what
the
long-term
outcomes
are.
You
know,
as
I
said,
on
the
trillium
line,
wanting
to
see
those
those
trains.
You
know
arrive
next
year
whenever
I
check
in
and
ask
about
that,
it
seems
like
that's
still
still
on
schedule
and
so
no
issues
there.
S
S
You
know
worked
with
us
and
gave
us
a
lot
of
support
and
getting
some
critical
work
done
this
past
week
through
that
area,
and
so
the
the
builder,
you
know,
absolutely
had
a
hard
deadline
of
cutting
over
that
that
roadway
this
year
and
getting
into
the
middle
of
that
road
to
be
able
to
kind
of
take
down
start
building
montreal
road
or
start
building
montreal
station,
and
so
that
looks
to
be
good
they're
going
to
be
able
to
do
that
this
winter.
S
And
so
you
know,
there's
there's
impacts,
but
you
know
we're
managing
those
impacts,
and
you
know
we're
every
everyone's
on
board
to
to
deliver
as
required.
S
Quarterly
written
updates
and
quarterly
presentations
as
well
yeah.
R
A
Great
thank
you
councillor,
councillor
brockington,
please.
L
Thank
you
mayor
and
thank
you,
mr
morgan.
I
just
want
to
say
that
to
the
committee
that
mr
morgan
has
come
into
the
south
end
and
provided
presentations
and
he's
always
been
extremely
good
and
detailed
and
thorough,
and
I'm
very
pleased
with
his
leadership
on
this
file.
So
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
L
How
are
we
tracking
progress
of
our
contractors
with
the
issue
with
stage
one
was
you
know
they?
They
really
didn't,
have
a
good
sense
of
the
amount
of
time
each
task
and
couldn't
follow
their
progress,
but
are
we
being
much
more
stringent,
much
more
focused
on
here's?
What
you're
working
on
they're
telling
us
it's
going
to
take
30
60
90
days
to
complete
following
up?
Are
we
much
more
ingrained
this
time
this
round.
S
Yeah,
you
know,
I
think
one
of
the
so
that
one
of
the
big
changes
is
that
we
have
a
construction
team
that
we've
had
in
the
field
from
the
start
dedicated
just
to
monitoring
the
activity
monitoring.
You
know
issues
you
know,
keeping
track
of.
You
know
when
they
run
into
a
hiccup
that
we're
aware
of
what
that
hiccup
is,
and
we
can
kind
of
stay.
You
know
stay
on
top
of
them
in
terms
of
ensuring
that
they
they
resolve
that
you
know.
So
I
think
I
think
that's
a
big
difference.
S
You
know
we're
also
trying
to
kind
of
have
these
key
checkpoints
where
we
know
like
on
the
trillium
line,
for
example,
those
vehicle
deliveries
being
a
key
checkpoint
on
the
west,
the
cut
and
cover
tunnel
wanting
to
see
that
start
on
time.
The
east,
you
know
getting
that
montreal
road
progress
over
the
last
couple
of
months
has
been
key.
S
Having
people
kind
of
on
the
ground,
full-time
checking
certainly
helps
us
kind
of
inform
the
schedule
ensure
that
we,
we
know
what's
happening
in
the
field
and
we
can
kind
of
make
educated,
be
more
educated
about
what
are
the
mitigations.
What
are
the
opportunities?
Where
do
they
need
help?
Where
can
we
push
them
along.
L
Okay,
the
south
end
line
the
trillium
line
is
supposed
to
open
in
2022
a
year
and
two
ahead
of
the
west
and
east
lines.
I
didn't
see
any
pictures
about
walkway
station
but
to
the
chairs
question.
The
south
end
is
on
schedule
on
time,
where
we're
at
where
we
want
to
be
right
now
for
construction
of
all
the
major
stations.
S
So
I
think
you
know
when
we,
when
we
look
at
the
south
end
that
entire
line,
I
think
that
you
know
gladstone.
We've
made
very
good
progress
there,
the
via
diamond
good
progress
there,
south
keys,
you
know
we've
seen
you
know,
we
have
an
issue
with
kind
of
an
intermediate
deadline
at
south
keys,
where
we
want
to
be
able
to
make
restore
that
freight
line
to
get
deliveries
back
to
the
nrc,
and
so
that's
a
bit
of
a
pressure
because
that's
a
complicated
location.
S
You
know,
I
think
the
fact
that
the
rail
bridges
kind
of
all
came
up
very
quickly.
We're
very
pleased
to
see
that
you
know.
Litrim
is
kind
of
another
key
one,
we're
tracking
that
one
closely.
It
has
some
impacts
on
on
water
mains
and
we
obviously
you
know,
aren't
going
to
do
nothing
to
impact
the
water
delivery
to
riverside
south
and
so
we're
being
very
cautious
about
that
in
the
but
in
a
pragmatic
way.
So
you
know,
I
think
I
think
we
are
we're
happy
with
with
where
we
are.
S
We
see
a
couple.
You
know
we're
kind
of
monitoring
about
the
nrc
that
nrc
issue
and
then
monitoring
a
little
bit
about
the
progress
at
the
airport,
because
obviously
we
want
to
be
in
lockstep
with
the
airport
and
the
work
they're
doing
on
their
side.
So
a
lot
of
attention
on
the
project
on
north
and
south.
L
S
I
you
know
so
my
team
isn't
leading
that
particular
work.
I
know
that
I
I
went
by
there
a
few
days
ago
and
it
I
was
originally,
I
believe,
scheduled
to
be
back
in
the
service.
The
idea
was,
I
was
gonna,
support
the
detours
for
stage
two
with
the
september
start
of
service.
I
would
have
to
get
back
to
you
on
the
actual
date
on
when
they
plan
to
open
that
road.
We.
L
I
think
counselor
menard
and
I
have
had
some
recent
questions
about
when
this
road
will
be
completed,
and
you
know
in
service
you
know
to
and
from
bronson
avenue,
so
to
just
get
an
update
there
and-
and
I
don't
think
you
can
speak
to
our
two
replacement
bus
service
numbers.
Maybe
that's
for
pat
scrimger,
but
do
you
have
any
sense
of
whether
this
service
is
being
fully
subscribed
or
not?.
S
L
My
last
request,
and
then
I'm
done,
is
there's
a
lot
of
work
in
riverward
from
the
rideau
river
at
carleton
university,
all
the
way
to
hunt
club
road
and
all
points
in
the
middle
and
I'm
starting
to
receive
within
the
last
30
days.
Some
surprise
closures
of
multi-use
pathways
that
I
was
not
aware
of
that's
coming.
S
Absolutely
I've
asked
working
with
the
the
comms
and
stakeholder
team
on
the
project.
We've
are
planning
to
organize
kind
of
structured
or
scheduled
meetings
with
each
of
the
effective
awards
to
to
go
through
just
that
type
of
information
on.
H
Thanks
mayor
michael,
thank
you
very
much
for
a
good,
comprehensive
overview
of
where
we
are.
I
I
do
want
to
come
back
to
the
same
thread
of
questioning
that
counselors,
hubli
and
brockington
had,
which
is
making
sure
that
we
are
on
time.
Obviously
that
was
something
that
you
know.
We
didn't
keep
close
enough
track
of
over
the
course
of
building
stage
one
you
mentioned
that
you
know
you
have
a
number
of
checkpoints.
H
S
So
the
the
trillium
line
has
two
intermediate:
checkpoints,
one
to
be
able
to
restore
freight
traffic
to
the
nrc
and
one
to
to
do
a
handover
of
a
loading
dock
at
the
airport,
and
so
those
two
checkpoints
are,
you
know
on
that
project
have
have
not
been
met
and
so
we're
following
up
closely
on
that
working
with
the
nrc
to
find
mitigations
and
working
with
the
airport,
just
to
make
sure
that
you
know
what
the
impacts
are,
and
you
know
what
what
support
they
need.
S
So
those
are
two
things
that
that
we've
been
following
closely.
You
know
on
the
east,
I
think
you
know
montreal
road,
big
success.
You
know
still
looking
you
know,
looking
ahead
to
getting
that
cut
over
by
the
end
of
november,
so
still
monitoring
that
one
and
then
in
the
west.
It's
you
know
it's
those
tunnels.
You
know
wanting
to
to
make
sure
those
tunnels
go
in
and
are
built.
You
know,
that's
that's
the
complicated
piece
with
the
tunnel
ventilation
system,
all
the
electrical
systems
running
through
there.
S
So
that's
still
a
little
ways
off
you
know.
We've
got
some
things
in
our
control.
That
kind
of
work
to
our
advantage.
You
know
we
are
four
vehicles
into
the
order
of
stage
two
vehicles,
and
so
we've
got
a
fleet
of
38
vehicles
that
we're
starting
with
now
that
will
have
a
lot
of
mileage
on
them.
That
will
be,
you
know,
we'll
have
the
benefit
of
time
and
reliability
improvements
on
those
by
the
time
we
go
into
stage.
Two
we've
got
the
x.
S
You
know,
I
see
the
the
cooperation
between
rito
transit
maintenance
and
oc
transpo,
the
rail
operations
staff,
the
rail
control
staff.
You
know
their
skills
and
ability
in
terms
of
operating
system.
You
know
that's
definitely
going
to
put
us
in
a
different
position
than
we
were
in
stage
one.
So
I
think
that
just
the
ability
for
us
to
kind
of
react
to
issues
and
respond
issues
is
is
going
to
be
much
different
in
stage
two.
H
Was
all
this
site
prep
completed
on
time
in
the
west.
H
S
S
I
mean,
I
think,
that
the
big
one
was,
you
know
getting
the
the
sgm
parkway
detour
put
in
place.
I
think
you
know
that
that
was
critical
to
getting
that
work
done
in
terms
of
some
of
the
other
kind
of
works
through
byron,
linear
park.
You
know
we're
still.
You
know.
We
still
need
a
little
bit
of
cleanup
with
some
of
the
bus
stops
and
some
of
that
coordination,
and
so
that's
that's
where
we
are
today,
but
they're
they're
ready
to
go
they're
going
to
be.
S
I
you
know,
I
don't
have
a
that
particular
checkpoint
was
not
on
you
know.
I
don't
think
that
I
had
a
hard
start
for
that.
The
prep
works.
You
know
started
when
we
expected
it
to,
but
I
don't
in
terms
of
the
actual
excavation,
I
didn't
have
a
hard
date
on
that
that
I
was
following.
H
Okay,
I
mean-
I,
I
think
it's
important-
that
we
get
d
some
of
these
sort
of
information
as
as
as
details
breaking
down
those
checkpoints.
So
we
do
understand
immediately
whether
or
not
there
are
any
red
flags.
H
So
we
avoid
a
repeat
of
of
being
caught
by
surprise,
like
I
think
we
were
on
stage
one,
but
thank
you
very
much
for
the
work
that
that
you're
doing
in
terms
of
stakeholder
engagement
thanks
to
the
stakeholder
engagement
team
as
well
for
for
keeping
us
in
the
loop
of
what's
coming
up
next.
I
know
these
are
seem
a
little
chaotic
on
the
outside,
but
I
think
your
team
is
doing
a
good
job,
keeping
us
as
informed
as
we
can.
P
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
morgan,
and
thank
you
for
all
the
work
you're
doing
in
bayward.
We've
got
a
lot
happening
as,
as
everyone
could
see,
and
it
could
it's
good
for
me
to
see
that
big
picture
and
and
and
see
what's
going
on
across
the
city.
P
It's
it's
a
lot
and
in
our
area
we're
probably
well,
I
I
dare
say
we're
probably
the
closest
to
homes
and
and
that's
sort
of
been
a
touch
point
because
there's
still
concerns
in
terms
of
sound
and
of
sound
barriers,
etc.
We're
working
on
berms
we're
working
on
other
mitigation.
I
just
wanted
to
get
an
update
on
how
that's
going.
S
In
terms
of
the
the
long-term
plan,
for
example,
you
mentioned
the
berms-
you
know
there
was
the
united
idea
introduced
earlier
in
the
year
to
to
build
these
berms
to
create
some.
You
know:
noise
barriers
and
visual
barriers
to
that
flyover
in
lincoln
fields.
You
know,
I
think
that
there
was
initial
pressure
to
do
that
quickly,
but
we
caused
the
the
pressure
on
the
speed
and
the
team
is
now
working
to
do
some
technical
consultations.
S
They
want
to
do
some
public
consultations
on
those
designs
and
make
sure
that
you
know
there's
a
series
of
technical
issues
between
utilities
and
lighting
and
various
things
that
need
to
be
matched
with.
Also,
you
know
outcomes
in
terms
of
visual
barriers,
noise
and
that
type
of
thing,
so
you
know
we're
looking
at
doing
those
consultations.
Kind
of
this
fall-
and
I
know
the
design
team
is
looking
at
having
something
next
year.
You
know
that's
kind
of
that's
the
berms
and
that's
mitigating
that
issue.
In
that
particular
location.
S
I
have
been
working
with
others
on
the
the
noise
in
the
rock
cut
to
see.
If
there's
a
mitigation
there,
we
have
a
request
for
materials
that
went
out.
I
think
it
closes
later
this
week
to
give
us
some
opportunity
for
improvements
in
the
transit
way
and
where
we've
seen
some
noise
issues
and
then
obviously
with
the
stage
one
rectification
plan
which
I
won't
go
into
detail.
P
That
that's
great
to
hear,
I
don't
know
how
we
can
get
sort
of
sampling
of
so
that
we
know
what
it
actually
sounds
like
and
what
the
decibels
would
be
like,
but
the
more
information
we
can
get
the
better
to
to
to
give
the
community
and-
and
I
appreciate
their
husband,
reach
out
and
look
forward
to
continuing
to
work
with
you
can.
So
I
expect
we'll
be
having
community
meetings
very
soon
on
this,
and
I
appreciate
that
kev
has
hired
a
communications
lead
to
help
us
out.
P
I
think
one
of
the
the
big
things
is
that
there's
just
so
much
going
on.
We
need
information
in
a
timely
fashion
because
it's
happening
so
fast
and
it's
just
sort
of
normal
that
you
find
out
a
memo
that
something's
going
to
happen
tomorrow
and
the
whole
community
has
to
be
prepped,
for
this
is
happening
like
tomorrow.
P
So
I'm
wondering
if
we
can
have
weekly
updates
to
even
if
it's
briefings
for
my
office
to
to
keep
the
surprise
element
down.
S
Yeah
we
we've
definitely
agreed
to
do
structured
meetings.
You
know
we
on
our
on
a
routine
basis
and
we
can
talk
to
the
team
about
how
to
do
that
and
what
the
the
agenda
needs
to
be
for
those
sessions.
P
Okay,
anyway,
I
appreciate
it
and
we'll
we'll
be
in
touch
for
sure.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
great.
Thank
you
councillor,
councillor
dudas,
please.
T
Thank
you
chair.
I
wanted
to
thank
you
michael
and
your
team.
You've
been
doing
a
number
of
very
beneficial
stakeholder
outreach
in
regards
to
connectivity
to
the
various
stations
in
particular
to
montreal
station.
I
just
wanted
to
understand
how
that
feedback
from
the
community
cycling
groups
seniors
groups.
Community
associations
is
going
to
feed
into
what
we
see
in
terms
of
the
final
designs
of
not
just
montreal
station,
but
all
of
the
stations.
S
Right
so
we've
taken
that
information
and
through
the
various
technical
advisory
committees
and
the
public
consultation
we've
distilled
that
down
into
essentially
a
variation
request
that
we've
put
to
the
designer
for
stage.
Two
that's
been
submitted,
we're
looking
for
their
feedback
on
on
costing
on
timing
on
designs
and
then
once
we
have
that
information,
especially
on
costing
then
we'll
have
a
good
sense
of
how
we
can
proceed
and
you
know
are
there
elements
that
we
need
to
defer?
Is
there
an
opportunity
to
add
more
elements
in
once
we
have
that
feedback.
S
We
would
need
to
come
back
to
the
community.
You
know
when
there's
kind
of
a
decision
point
to
say
you
know
these
are
the
things
that
we
are
able
to
include.
These
are
the
things
that
we
need
to
perhaps
work
with
transportation
planning
on
to
include
in
the
longer
term.
S
So
at
this
point,
we're
essentially
waiting
for
feedback
from
the
designer
on
what
the
costing
might
look
like
and
what
the
how
they
can
incorporate
the
design
solutions
into
the
build.
T
Okay-
and
I
I
had
just
a
point
of
clear
that
wasn't
me
squeaking
by
the
way.
Sorry
it
was
my
dog
toy,
or
maybe
it
was
me
so
quick
question.
That's
so
distracting
you!
You
mentioned
that
some
of
the
old
strum
vehicles
are
being
built
in
brampton.
I
just
wanted
some
clarification.
I
thought
our
facility
here
was
capable
of
building
the
trains
and
I'm
just
curious
as
to
why
we're
bringing
them
in
from
brampton
or
what
the
difference
is.
I
just
want
some
clarity
and
respect
to
that.
S
Yeah,
I
think
so
you
know
when,
when
the
build
was
initiated,
they
were
all
going
to
be.
The
final
assembly
was
all
going
to
be
done
in
ottawa
and
they
they've
done
the
first
34
vehicles
from
the
stage
one
order
and
they
got
a
good
start
on
the
next
12
vehicles
from
the
stage
2
order,
but
at
some
point
alstom
decided
that
it
would
be
more
efficient
if
they
had
a
dedicated
facility
elsewhere,
so
that
they
didn't
interfere
with
any
of
the
maintenance
activity.
S
Kind
of
gives
them
broader.
You
know:
they've
got
a
big
facility
here
in
ottawa
now,
and
so
it
gives
them
kind
of
full
capacity
to
move
the
vehicles
around.
Do
the
maintenance
that
they
need
to
without
the
distraction
of
the
manufacturing
activity.
So
you
know
they've
made
that
decision
it's
in
part,
because
they
also
have
another
order
for
vehicles
being
delivered
into
the
gta,
and
so
there's
going
to
be
two
essentially
two
production
lines
there
for
for
vehicles
for
probably
for
our
project
plus
two
other
projects.
S
S
So
I
think
you
know
that's
really
within
austin's
remit
to
make
that
decision
and
they've
decided
for
the
remainder
of
the
fleet
that
they're
going
to
build
them
in
brampton.
S
Yeah,
so
the
vehicles,
you
know,
they'll
be
they'll,
be
assembled
there.
They
get
broken
apart
and
put
on
trucks
shipped
to
the
ottawa
site.
S
They
get
kind
of
re,
put
back
together
and
there's
some
final
testing
they'll
do
in
the
shop,
then
we'll
put
them
into
we'll
put
them
on
the
line
out
of
service
for
roughly
a
thousand
kilometers,
just
to
make
sure
you
know
1000
kilometers
fault
free
to
make
sure
that
they
work,
and
you
know,
work
out
any
kinks
or
issues
that
they
have
and
then
there's
a
final
inspection
that
oc
transpo
does,
and
my
team
does
before
final
sign
off
in
handover
to
put
them
into
service
for
use
with
passengers.
A
Q
I
thank
mr
mayor,
mr
morgan,
just
following
up
a
little
bit
on
on
questions
from
councillor
dudas.
What
would
you
say
is
the
single
biggest
lesson
learned
or
repair
necessary
coming
out
of
stage
one
vehicles
that
has
been
incorporated
or
fixed
in
stage
two.
S
I
think
I
mean
I
think
that
that
probably
the
biggest
issue
that
we
saw
was
with
the
power
electronics
on
the
roof.
I
think
that
issue
where
you
know
last
winter
we
had
water
and
salt
and
other
things
getting
into
the
inductors
and
shorting
out
those
inductors
and
losing
power
and
stranding
those
vehicles.
S
That
was
probably
the
most
critical
issue
that
we
saw,
and
so
that's
that's
you
know,
there's
a
variety
of
kind
of
things
that
come
out
of
that
there's
the
inductors
themselves
that
need
to
be
all
replaced,
there's
a
special
cover
that
is
being
installed.
S
That's
probably
the
biggest
the
biggest
thing
you
know
it,
seeing
so
that
you
know
obviously
got
a
lot
of
attention
because
it
really
it
affected
the
fleet
count
in
a
very
bad
way
and
then
the
wheel
flats,
being
the
second
one,
and
that's
really
an
integration
issue
between
there's
a
variety
of
detection
systems,
the
train
control
system,
the
braking
system
that
one
had
more
tentacles
that
needed
to
be
fixed,
but
those
those
are
probably
the
two
biggest
things
that
reduced
the
fleet
count
yeah.
Q
It
fair
enough
fair
enough.
I
appreciate
the
broader
answer
and-
and
I
guess
the
follow-up
question
to
that
michael
is
you've
said
on
several
occasions-
that,
as
issues
are,
are
remedied
or
identified,
then
the
fix
is
incorporated
into
the
stage
2
trains,
so
the
vehicle
we're
going
to
get
at
the
end
of
the
day
will
be
different
than
what
we
first
got
with
stage
one.
Can
you
run
us
through
how
that
process
works?
Who
flags
that
is
there
an
obligation
on
on
the
the
consortium
running
stage,
one
to
say?
Q
S
I
mean
the
the
responsibilities
is
primarily
with
the
consortium
you
know
with
rito
transit
group
and
they
they
have
a
constructor,
that's
building
the
vehicles
and
they
have
a
maintainer,
that's
operating
them,
and
so
it's
you
know
it's
in
their
best
interest
to
ensure
that
all
of
the
fixes
are
included.
Now
now,
some
of
the
fixes,
for
example,
we
did
a
train
control
software
update.
S
If
that
fix,
wasn't
applied,
it
wouldn't
work
like
the
train
would
be
unusable
on
stage
two
now
something
maybe
less
yeah
that
that
would
stop
the
train
from
operating
with
something
like
the
door
software.
If
it
wasn't
updated,
the
train
would
still
operate,
and
so,
in
that
case
it's
first
incumbent
on
the
builder
and
the
maintainer
to
check
that
they're
doing
the
right
thing.
S
But
then
we
also
have
a
process
where
we
check
the
car
history
book,
which
is
essentially
kind
of
a
document
that
indicates
the
software
versions,
the
configuration
management
status
for
the
vehicle.
So
we
do
a
final
check
of
that
before
we
accept
the
vehicle.
So
it's
it's
with.
I
guess
where
I'm
going.
Q
S
A
Great
thank
you
councillor
tierney,
please.
G
Great
thank
you
very
much,
mr
mayor,
and
thank
you
michael.
I
actually
want
to
give
a
a
bit
of
a
shout
out
to
allison
from
your
your
wonderful
crew
over
there.
She's
helped
deal
with
you
know
with
any
large
construction,
there'll
be
little
issues
dirt
and
parking
lots,
etc,
etc,
and
she
has
been
absolutely
fabulous
and
making
sure
that
all
the
construction
industry
stays
on
side
and
respects
the
neighborhoods
that
we're
in.
G
So
I
just
want
to
say
thank
you
for
that
resolve
many
many
issues
very
very
quickly,
and
I
also
want
to
apologize
for
so
many
hours
that
we've
spent
speaking
with
you
between
my
community
associations
and
homeowner
groups,
as
well
as
even
bike
ottawa
east.
We
had
a
great
discussion
about
the
pathway
segments
and
I
believe,
we're
still
working
on
that.
G
One
major
concern
that
we
we
see
on
the
on-ramp
of
montreal
road-
you
guys
were
taking
it
back
and
re-cooking
it,
because
it's
frankly
too
dangerous
in
my
mind,
is
that
still
underway
that
work.
S
G
That's
that's
wonderful
news
and
I
look
forward
to
seeing
what
new
configurations
come
back
into
that
really
that's
that's
all
I
I
have
most
of
the
questions
are
already
asked
and
I
know
people
want
to
get
through
this.
But
thank
you
again.
I
know
there'll
be
many
more
meetings
and
there
was
only
one
real
question
I
had
at
the
end.
How
are
we
looking
on
timelines
about?
G
I
know
we're
probably
still
a
while
out
about
the
root
configurations
and
designs
for
the
stations,
because
obviously
my
neighborhood's
gonna
really
love
the
montreal
road
station
and
when
are
we
gonna
start
going
to
the
public?
I
remember
there
was
a
timeline,
but
I
it's
slipping
my
mind
right
now.
Can
you
refresh
my
memory.
S
G
Wonderful
because
I'm
getting
a
lot
of
feedback
now,
where
you
know
richcraft
sends
blacks
east
currently
doesn't
have
service.
This
is
a
good
opportunity
to
link
it
up
to
much
raw
road
station,
as
well
as
many
other
areas
in
the
biking
hill,
south
area.
That
would
really
appreciate
it
so
I'll
link
back
up
and
thank
you
very
much.
A
S
F
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
I'd
like
to
echo
council
attorney's
comments.
Allison
has
been
absolutely
incredible
working
with
our
office.
F
I
know
that
she's
moving
on
now
to
communications
for
stage
two,
so
looking
forward
to
working
with
with
ethel
just
wondering
mr
morgan,
if
you
might
be
able
to
give
me
a
quick
update
on
the
design
phase
of
the
sound
barrier
along
the
174,
I
know
a
lot
of
residents
are
really
concerned
about
both
construction,
noise
and
and
the
you
know,
historical
issues
of
noise
on
the
174,
so
just
wondering
kind
of
where
the
team
is
at
on
on
that
project.
S
Yeah,
so
I
had
a
check
in
the
other
day
with
the
consortium
just
to
kind
of
get
an
update.
I
know
we
have
a
meeting
scheduled
to
your
team
shortly
to
kind
of
go
over
some
particular
items
in
some
areas
there
you
know
there
are
no
concerns,
we're
just
waiting
for
the
design
to
progress
like
we.
S
No
property
concerns,
it's
just
really
just
a
matter
of
getting
it
in
into
the
the
program
of
design,
and
you
know
we
raised
it
with
the
project
director
and
john
was
there
at
the
same
time
just
to
kind
of
flag
that
that
was
important
because
you've
been
asking
about
it
on
on
the
one
side
of
the
road
where
we
have,
you
know,
you've
got
a
multi-use
pathway
and
then
you've
got
the
the
hydro
one
interface
and
then
you've
got
kind
of
a
series
of
small
berms
that
exist
today.
S
You
know,
there's
a
little
bit
more
design
work
that
needs
to
be
done
there,
and
so
we
need
to
have
a
bit
of
a
discussion
and
potentially
some
consultations
about
what
what
is
going
to
be
done
in
that
location.
We're
still
looking
at
doing
the
design
kind
of
this
year
into
early
next
year,
with
potentially
again,
the
request
was
made
to
try
to
get
some
of
those
sound
barriers
in
as
quickly
as
possible,
still
with
the
idea
that
we
could
start
some
of
that
next
year.
But
I
don't
have
a
confirmation.
F
Mitigated,
okay,
perfect,
really
appreciate
that
that
update,
also
wondering
if
you
might
be
able
to
provide
me
a
little
bit
of
information
about
where
the
team
is
at
on
the
reconfiguration
of
the
overpass
at
john
dark.
I
know
that
you
know
prior
to
the
pandemic,
we
were
you
know,
hoping
that
construction
would
begin.
You
know
this
the
spring
that
just
passed
so
just
kind
of
wondering.
Now
what
were
the
teams
at
on
that
one.
S
Yeah,
so
that
so
the
builder
has
been
you
know,
100
focused
on
segment,
seven,
which
is,
is
really
the
segment
between
blair
station
and
montreal
road,
that's
kind
of
been
their
critical
path.
We're
expecting
that
work
to
wrap
up
pretty
shortly,
and
the
latest
update
I
have
is
that
they're.
You
know
if
they
can
free
up
the
cruise
from
that
work,
that
potentially
they
could
start
that
jean-dark
reconfiguration
in
october.
F
Okay,
that's
that's
great
news
for
the
community.
I
really
appreciate
you
guys
front
loading
that
I've
received
quite
a
few
comments
from
from
both
residents
and
oc
transpo
drivers
themselves
about
how
incredibly
quickly
and
well
the
work
is
progressing
along
the
174
between
those
two
stations
that
you
just
mentioned
so
so
great
work
on
that
and
keep
keep
it
up,
really
appreciate
your
work
thanks.
Thank
you.
A
All
right
thanks
councillor
councillor
kavanaugh
second
round.
P
Thank
you
very
much
following
a
question
from
councillor
dudas
in
terms
of
connectivity.
P
It
strikes
me
that
we're
all
looking
at
connectivity
and
perhaps
we
need
a
a
separate
presentation
on
that
of
of
what
the
standards
will
be
and
so
because
it
feels
like
we're
all
kind
of
working
in
pods
with
our
communities,
but
I'm
sure
that
there's
a
set
of
standards
that
we
all
would
like
to
see,
for
example,
to
have
it
so
they're
you
can
get
there
in
winter,
so
that
they're
winter
cleared
that
there's
lighting.
P
That
kind
of
thing,
and
I'm
wondering,
if
that's
possible,
because
I
think
we
all
have
a
commonality.
We
want
people
to
get
to
these
wonderful
stations,
and
so
the
connectivity
is
crucial.
So
is
that
possible.
S
Yeah,
of
course,
you
know,
there's
a
variety
of
groups
that
we
need
to
pull
into
the
mix
for
those
discussions.
You
know,
especially,
as
you
know,
through
your
area,
some
of
the
multis
pathways
are
in
ncc
land.
You
know,
so
we
need
to
get
back
to
there's
a
variety
of
stakeholders
internally,
that
kind
of
share
responsibility
for
for
lighting
and
winter
maintenance
and
different
things,
and
so
we
would
need
to
coordinate
something.
P
Those
pathways
yeah,
notwithstanding
that
extra
complication,
I'm
dealing
with
ncc,
of
course,
but
we
still
should
have
standards
because
we're
talking
about
getting
to
our
stations.
So
if
we
and
others
may
have
ncc
land
as
well,
but
I
think
that's
important
that
that
there's
some
consistency
so
that
it's
not
one
standard
one
place
and
one
another.
D
Quick
question:
thank
you,
mr
morgan,
for
your
presentation
and
would
have
been
possible
to
to
send
us
the
video,
mr
morgan
and
the
presentation
to
our
counselor.
A
Thank
you
and
counselor,
also
my
office,
just
tweeted
it
out
with
a
french
and
english
message
as
well.
So
that's
an
option
for
you.
We.
A
Okay,
michael,
thank
you
very
much
great
presentation.
Next
councillor
gower
asked
that
we
hold
the
comprehensive
legal
services
report.
Councillor
gower,
you
have
a
question.
E
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
It's
a
specific
to
the
municipal
liability
premium
increase,
okay,
just
14
and
50
in
the
report.
Just
given
the
given
the
size
of
the
increase,
I
thought
it
was
I'd
like
to
get
a
little
bit
of
clarification.
Make
sure
I'm
understanding,
so
we're
being
asked
to
approve
that
the
the
increase
in
the
premium
of
5.4
million
dollars
would
be
covered
through
the
tax
stabilization
fund.
Is
that
correct.
E
Okay
and
then
the
report
mentions
the
municipality
liability
component
of
3.8
million
dollars
that
accounts
for
most
of
the
increase.
Can
you
explain
where
the
rest
of
the
increase
is
coming
from?
What
are
the
factors
that
are
leading
to
the
to
that
entire
4.4
million
dollars?
5.4
million
dollar
increase.
N
E
And
the
report
mentions
that
every
ontario
municipality
is
seeing
pressure
from
increased
premiums.
Can
you
characterize
you
know?
Are
we
in
line
like
if
you
look
we're
almost
doubling
our
insurance
premium
this
year
from
5.9
million
to
11.3
million?
So
that's
5.4
million
we're
almost
doubling.
It
are
other
municipalities
seeing
that
same
percentage
increase,
I'm
just
trying
to
try
to
understand
how
much
worse
or
or
whether
we're
on
par
we
better
or
worse.
Where
are
we
benchmarking
to
other
cities
in
ottawa
and
ontario.
N
N
You
know,
other
municipalities
may
have
much
smaller,
for
example,
on
the
property
side,
they
have
much
smaller
assets
to
deal
with.
So
not
everyone
has
seen
that
same
number
increase,
and
you
know,
as
noted
in
the
report,
some
of
it
is,
is
in
relation
to
the
city's
own
kind
of
personal
loss
history
in
that
regard
yeah.
So
certainly
the
discussion
there's
been
discussion
amongst
the
the
municipal
solicitors
around
the
province
amongst
municipal
treasures,
around
the
province
and
they're.
N
N
Certainly
in
in
2019,
this
municipal
council,
through
the
mayor's
office,
wrote
to
to
the
minister
to
request
for
ongoing
reform
with
respect
to
joint
server
liability
and
what
we
call
the
one
percent
rule.
Amo
has
really
taken
that
under
its
wing
to
push
that
forward
with
the
ministry
in
terms
of
what
the
city
is
doing
itself
and
the
areas
that
it
can't
control
itself.
That
is
that's
the
goal
of
an
enhanced
risk
management,
practice
and
procedure
and
overall
structure
for
the
city.
E
So
explain
to
me
what
that
would
do,
because
I'm
I'm
not
entirely
clear
on
yes,
hiring
a
risk
management
officer.
What
kind
of
impact
does
that
have?
Is
that
an
impact
of
the
hundreds
of
thousand
dollars
or
millions
of
dollars?
If
we
had
had
a
risk
management
officer
in
place
already,
would
we
have
seen
an
increase
of
5.4
million
or
would
have
been
substantially
less?
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
the
impact
of
what
a
risk
management
officer
would
have
in
the
future
for
us.
N
It's
I'll
be
honest.
It
would
be
very
difficult
to
quantify
and
just
to
be
clear,
it's
not
necessarily
the
hiring
of
what
it
may
be
restructuring
of
of
existing
an
existing
position,
for
example.
The
aim
is,
is
twofold:
is
one
to
reduce
the
city's?
N
What
I
would
say
that
this
is
primary
liability
and
the
cost
of
that
in
terms
of
those
claims
that
are
under
its
or
within
itself,
insured
retention
and
limiting
those
and
that's
those
are
dollar
savings
anytime,
that
someone
doesn't
slip
on
the
sidewalk
or
if
you
know
our
vehicles
are
not
involved
in
an
accident,
for
example,
then
those
are
so
those
are
straight
savings.
N
The
other
part
of
it
is
also
helping
to
present
a
better
picture
to
the
insurance
industry
in
terms
of
of
what
kind
of
risk
they're
taking
on
by
taking
on
the
city's
business.
So
that
is,
that
is,
is
reflected
in
hopefully
reduced
premiums
in
the
future.
You
know
and
again
it's
difficult
to
quantify
simply
because
there
are
some.
N
There
are
market
factors
that
are
at
play
as
well
with
what's
called
a
hardening
insurance
market,
and
that
just
means
that
it's
much
more
difficult
for
organizations
like
municipalities
to
get
insurance
and
the
more
that
supply
is
constricted.
The
more
the
the
premiums
go
up.
E
And
would
you
be
able
to
look
into
the
future
two
or
three
years?
Are
we
likely
to
see
premium
increases
in
the
millions
of
dollars
over
the
next
few
years
or
do
you
do
you
see
it
stabilizing?
What
what
can
we
expect,
because
we
need
to
obviously
do
some
longer-term
budget
planning
in
terms
of
how
we
cover
these
increasing
costs?
N
The
desire
and
the
anticipation,
and
certainly
given
this
year
with
reduced
economic
activity,
reduced
vehicular
activity
and
things
like
that.
The
hope
is
that
come
renewal
time
next
year,
we'll
be
able
to
present
a
better
picture
and
a
better
risk
profile
for
the
city.
It's
also
an
opportunity
for
the
new
insurers
that
we've
that
have
come
online
with
us
to
learn
the
city's
business
and
to
to
kind
of
smooth
that
relationship
and
develop
a
relationship
over
time.
N
So
I
think
it's
it's
it's
dependent,
of
course,
on
those
market
factors,
my
aim
is
to
ensure
stability
and
working
to
reduce
those
premiums
and
the
city's
primary
liability
over
the
course
of.
As
you
say,
you
know
it's
an
ongoing
process.
Next,
two
three
five
years.
N
Well,
invariably,
the
the
it's
the
the
cities,
as
I
say,
the
risk
profile
and
how
much
risk
the
insurers
assume
that
they're
taking
on
by
taking
on
the
city's
business
in
the
same
way
that
they
look
at
you
know
if
you're
getting
car
insurance.
What
your
driver
record
is
so
they
look
at
our
lost
history.
Some
of
that
will
be
erased
by
time,
as
as
it
go,
it
kind
of
falls
out
of
our
five
and
ten
year.
N
Loss
histories,
part
of
it,
is
better
practices,
and
those
are
those
are
that
work
is
ongoing,
with,
for
example,
our
fleet
group
to
ensure
that
and
oc
transpo
to
limit
the
opportunities
where
we
have
those
kinds
of
incidents
that
give
us
a
a
an
unfavorable
loss.
History.
E
Okay,
thank
you.
It
is
concerning
because
we're
looking
at
a
doubling
of
our
premium
over
five
million
dollars,
not
like
we
have
an
option
to
shop
around
a
different
insurance
providers.
It
is,
it
is
what
it
is
and,
and
we
don't
have
much
option
to
pay.
We
can't
stop
our.
E
We
can't
not
have
insurance,
so
it's
concerning,
I
think
it's
something
we'll
all
be
looking
for,
updates
from
you
on
and
advice
from
you
as
we
go
forward
to
get
this,
get
some
more
certainty
and
get
this
under
control.
Thank
you.
A
Great
thank
you
counselor
counselor
tierney.
Please.
G
Great
thank
you,
and
thanks
glenn
for
actually
holding
this,
because
I
had
a
quick
question.
I
have.
I
have
a
community
association
in
my
area
that
gets
private
insurance
through
a
company
called
aeon
they've
been
just
recently
told
that
they're
literally
doubling
to
over
a
thousand
dollars
a
year
for
community
association
insurance.
I
also
have
another
community
association
in
the
area
that
actually
gets
their
insurance
via
the
city
for
their
community
association.
G
N
Mr,
I
couldn't
speak
to
what
the
quantum
of
those
would
be,
but
I
anticipate
that
there
will
see
you
will
see
a
flow
through
of
those
costs
for
those
people
that
are
that
are
kind
of
eligible
to
sign
on
to
the
city's
insurance
program.
G
Okay
and
I
think,
that's
critical-
I
think
we
need
to
know
that,
because
our
phones
will
be
ringing
very
quickly
because
my
community
association,
that
is
insured
through
the
city,
they're
already
paying
seven
hundred
dollars,
and
that
was
previous
to
kobe.
So
I
can
only
anticipate
if
it
was
a
doubling
in
the
private
industry
with
aeon
to
a
thousand
dollars
for
beacon
hill.
What's
going
to
happen
in
pine
view,
how
do
we
get
that
information
back?
Who
would
be
the
most
appropriate
person
to
speak
to?
G
As
a
matter
of
fact,
I
think
many
members
of
council
would
probably
really
appreciate
it,
because
we
do
all
have
associations
in
our
area
some
more
than
others,
and
certainly
we
want
to
make
sure
that
they
still
continue
to
thrive
and
provide
those
community
events.
So
I
appreciate
that
thanks
david.
A
Great
thank
you
counselor,
so
on
the
report
as
presented
received
married
all
right.
Our
next
item
that
was
held
is
cobit.
19
economic
recovery
update
miso
relative,
please
economic
foundation.
A
And
mr
willis
and
cindy
van
buskirk
and
layla
gibbons
have
a
presentation
for
us.
This
is
our
last
item.
I
A
A
Let's
just
pick
up
steve:
can
you
bring
your.
I
I
A
I
The
tourism,
accommodations
and
airline
industries
are
measuring
their
pace
of
recovery
in
years,
not
months,
and
they
are
the
most
severely
impacted
areas,
and
we
also
know
that
retail
and
restaurant
closures
will
continue
to
negatively
impact
traditional
main
streets
and
tourism
districts
and
that's
exacerbated
by
the
slow
return
to
people
in
their
offices,
downtown,
which
we've
seen
so
on
slide.
Three,
it's
not
all
bad
news,
mr
mayor.
I
The
ottawa
is
weathering
the
economic
upheaval
far
better
than
every
other
canadian
large
city,
and
you
know
our
gdp
decline
is
going
to
be
the
lowest
of
the
13
largest
cities
in
canada,
and
our
unemployment
rate
is
tracking
well
below
the
national
average
we're
below
10
when
the
national
unemployment
rate
is
at
12.3.
I
We
we
know
that
many
parts
of
our
economy
are
continuing
to
be
quite
robust.
Housing
starts
are
stable.
The
residential
resale
market
is
extremely
hot
at
unprecedented
levels,
but
we
do
know
that
office
vacancy
rates
will
continue
to
climb
in
2020
but
remain
manageable
compared
to
other
cities,
and
this
is
what
we're
hearing
from
the
leading
brokers
in
the
city.
F
I
On
the
fourth
slide,
I'll
I'll
just
quickly
pass
through
this
is
that
mr
canalacas
previously
presented
to
council.
We
established
an
economic
recovery
toss
team,
and
this
is
an
interdepartmental
effort
that
I
am
leading
co
and
co-leading
with
lyla
gibbons,
with
support
from
the
economic
development
staff,
many
of
whom
are
with
me
today
on
the
fifth
slide
just
quickly.
I
We
have
used
data
from
a
variety
of
sources
to
monitor
economic
recovery
efforts
and
our
and
the
impacts
on
our
economy
and
we're
working
hand-in-hand
with
the
provincial
framework
for
reopening
and
continuing
to
adjust
our
program
as
that
program.
Proceeds
and
everything
is
done.
Hand
in
hand
with
ottawa
public
health.
I
On
the
sixth
slide,
one
of
the
things
that
ottawa
did
very
early
and
that's
being
modeled
by
other
cities.
Is
we
established
an
economic
partners
task
force
which
the
mayor
called,
and
it
is
the
mayor
chairs.
This
will,
along
with
councillor
dudas
and
councillor
al
shantiri,
and
we
have
our
key
partners
for
all
of
the
different
agencies
in
ottawa,
who
might
have
a
role
in
economic
development
in
the
city
and
all
of
our
strategies.
We've
consulted
them
and
they've.
I
Given
us
extremely
useful
feedback
and
we've
conveyed
that
feedback
either
to
our
own
efforts
or
to
ottawa
public
health
for
more
information
from
them
on
the
seventh
slide,
just
to
give
some
highlights
of
what
we
have
done
so
far,
so
we've
had
a
tax
deferral
program
which
has
had
over
1900
deferrals.
So
far
we
our
business
recovery,
web
support
and
recovery
webpage
has
had
over
11
000
wed
web
page
visits.
To
date,
our
buy
local
campaign
has
had
over
34
million
impressions
on
social
media.
I
I
The
rural
tourism
campaign
has
has
over
one
million
facebook,
impressions
and
and
and
there's
other
statistics
there
as
well,
which
ottawa
tourism
reports
is
their
second
highest.
Viewed,
instagram
tv
video
that
they've
ever
produced
so
far,
so
there's
clearly
a
lot
of
interest
and,
as
we
talked
earlier
about
our
efforts
to
to
focus
on
hyper
local
economic
activity,
this
is
a
key
part
of
that
strategy.
Right
now,
our
business
reopening
tool
kit
has
had
over
14
000
web
page
visits
and
been
downloaded
over
12
000
times.
This
is
the
toolkit.
I
I
We
were
probably
the
first
to
have
one
out
there
and
we
keep
getting
compliments
on
our
work
that
we've
done,
and
people
and
the
business
community
has
found
it
quite
useful
and
then,
as
a
result
of
the
motion
by
counselor,
the
innovation
pilot
program,
recovery
stream
focused
on
how
this
is
a
program
we
normally
have
every
year
is
focused
on
how
we
can
support
economic
recovery,
outstanding
response
rate,
47
applications
and
five
pilots
were
selected
onto
the
next
slide.
I
Please,
in
our
right-of-way
program,
the
patio
and
cafe
seating
permits,
we've
had
a
substantial
increase.
The
number
of
right-of-way
patio
permits
we
issued
this
year
over
25
26,
which
is
and
a
42
percent
increase
in
cafe
seating
permits,
and
we
know
from
many
restaurants.
This
has
been
crucial
for
their
reopening.
I
I
So
we
had
a
rapid
approval
process
and
seven
different
street
closures
around
the
city
have
facilitated
patio
expansions
and
social
distancing
at
the
same
time
on
the
next
slide,
please
so
our
work
continues
and
it
will
continue
as
long
as
the
pandemic
goes
on
and
we
are
monitoring
the
ongoing
impacts
to
re,
inform
our
efforts
and
we
will
continue
to
consult
the
task
force
to
identify
the
top
strategies
we
we
will
pursue
we're
working
on
a
fall
winter
recovery
program,
because
a
lot
of
the
outside's
offerings
will
not
necessarily
work
in
as
the
weather
gets
colder,
so
we're
working
with
our
stakeholders
to
find
other
opportunities
to
support
them
and,
as
I
said,
the
economic
development
services
work
plan
this
year.
I
we're
working
on
delivering
a
new
economic
development
strategy
which
will
deal
with
the
world
post
pandemic
by
the
end
of
2021,
and
that
will,
you
know,
address
some
of
our
longer
term
aspirations
to
update
the
economic
development
strategy,
but
we'll
also
look
at
the
world
beyond
kova
2019
and
our
lessons
learned.
So.
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
for
the
opportunity
to
present
this.
It's
been
an
enormous
amount
of
effort
from
staff
in
all
different
departments,
with
support
from
our
partners
and
we're
really
grateful
because
that
team
effort
has
made
this
work.
A
Great
thank
you,
mr
willis.
I
can
certainly
attest
you
and
your
team
have
put
a
lot
of
effort
into
this
and
we
very
much
appreciate
it,
because,
obviously
you
saw
those
statistics.
You
know
where
we
we're
below
the
national
average
in
terms
of
unemployment,
but
we're
also
at
over
10
percent,
which
is
a
far
cry
of
course,
from
pre
covid.
A
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Your
worship
and
thank
you
steve
and
your
team,
specifically
cindy
leila
and
brian,
really
was
pleasure
working
with
you
folks.
During
this
time
some
of
the
the
questions
tv
came
up
from
our
resident.
D
We
did
a
great
job
at
the
beginning
of
the
pandemic,
with
you
know,
focusing
on
the
small
business
to
take
out
and
pick
up
and
give
certificate
and-
and
some
businesses
did
very
well
and
unfortunately,
some
not
so
well
that
the
experience
we
we
have
this
summer
and
we
learn
creativity
like
some
businesses,
the
the
vineyards
and
be
able
to
have
dining
on
the
under
the
stars.
So
that's
not
going
to
happen
much
longer,
as
the
weather
change
now
have
have.
D
We
shift
our
focusing
with
the
team
to
start
hearing
from
the
partner
or
some
other
area.
D
What's
on
the,
what
we're
planning
for
the
falls
and
winter
and
speaking
with
my
colleague,
theresa
cavanaugh
when
she
visited
my
area
and
she
said
well,
west
cartoon
become
a
destination
for
for
bicycle
and
tourism
from
the
city.
Can
we
capitalize
on
this
in
the
winter
time?
Is
that
something
you
think
we
can
be
able
to
at
least
promote
and
manage
for
the
winter
or
fall
and
winter.
I
We're
absolutely
working
with
our
key
partners
to
look
at
the
fall
and
winter,
and
that's
our
focus
this
month,
where
we're
going
to
be
developing
some
proposals.
Some
of
those
proposals
will
deal
with
our
winter
patio
permitting
process
we're
also
continuing
with
the
rural
tourism
campaign,
because
we
believe
that
those
opportunities
will
still
exist.
There's
cross-country,
skiing,
snowshoeing,
snowmobiling
activities
that
all
could
be
done
safely
in
outdoor
environments
throughout
the
winter
and
ottawa
is
a
great
winter
city.
D
Mr
willis,
as
you
know,
in
it's
not
just
in
the
rural
area,
but
in
many
areas
they
have
those
large
facilities
and
obviously
under
use,
found
that
this
like,
when
you
talk
about
the
barn,
dance
or
or
areas
like
carp,
fair
or
cafe
or
other
who
have
the
space
and
they
can
manage
to
have
we
reach
out
to
these
folks,
ask
if
we
can?
D
How
could
we
help
them
or
how
or
they
have
any
idea
for
the
fall
and
winter,
because
there's
a
great
destination
in
the
city,
whether
the
apple
orchards
or
or
or
driving,
around
or
bicycling,
as
chris
kavanagh
would
want
me
to
say
around
the
rural
area
in
nepal?
Is
that
something
we
were
shifting
the
focus
from
what
used
to
be
a
patio
somewhere
now
to
shift
it
fall
in
winter?.
I
Mr
mayor,
we
certainly
are
focusing
on
those
areas
I
mean
up
until
very
recently.
The
province
had
very
strong
restrictions
on
the
use
of
any
large
facility.
They
had
very,
very
small
caps,
which
didn't
make
it
particularly
practical
to
focus
on
that,
but
now
that
the
province
has
loosened
those
rules
a
little
bit,
we
are
consulting
with
the
ottawa
festivals
network
on
festivals
and
events,
opportunities
we
are
contacting
it
through
ottawa,
tourism
is
doing
work
with
some
of
the
rural
destinations.
I
As
I
indicated
of
those
other
areas,
everything
has
to
be
done
hand
in
hand
with
guidance
on
on
safe
use
of
these
facilities
and
and
working
with
auto
public
health.
But
the
counselor's
point
is
well
taken
and
we
we
will
continue
to
work
in
that
area.
We'll
have
more
to
report.
D
Well,
thank
you
very
much,
mr
willis.
Again
I'd
like
to
echo
my
my
appreciation
to
you
and
your
team,
and
and
let's
keep
working
on
it
and
yeah
we're
open
for
ideas.
If
any
colleagues
or
any
businesses
listening,
they
have
some
ideas
they
want
to
share
with
us
in
the
test
at
tamir's
task
force.
It
is
welcome
to
to
receive.
Thank
you,
mr
may.
Thank.
A
You
thank
you,
council,
shintari,
councillor
suds.
Please.
B
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
thank
you
very
much.
I
echo
councillor
al
shantiri's
gratitude
to
to
steve
and
your
team
for
the
work.
That's
what
that's
happened,
as
well
as
the
mayor's
economic
partners
task
force.
B
When
I
look
through
the
report-
and
you
know
when
I
read
the
extent
of
the
initiatives
and
projects
that
have
been
taken
on
not
just
within
the
city
bought
by
our
partners,
it's
really
encouraging
to
see.
I
I
do
have
concerns.
I
I
won't
lie
that,
although
we
are
faring
better
than
the
rest
of
the
country,
we
we
still
have
a
long
way
to
go
as
far
as
our
economic
recovery
is
concerned,
and
things
will
get
worse
before
they
get
better.
B
Unfortunately,
from
my
opinion
and
a
question
when
I
look
at
specifically
the
objectives
of
the
economic
recovery
efforts
as
they've
been
outlined
in
the
report,
I
I
can't
help
but
wonder
where
connectivity
falls.
B
And
so
I
do
feel
like
that.
Connectivity
piece
is
incredibly
important
as
a
city
to
direct
some
efforts,
and
I
welcome
any
comments
as
to
why
we
don't
see
it
as
part
of
this
effort
or
these
objectives
or
if
there's
work
happening
elsewhere.
On
that.
I
So,
mr
mayor,
although
was
not
called
out
as
a
specific
line
item,
I
think
in
our
mind
we
always
had
that
is
as
part
of
developing
future
economic
resiliency,
because
it
is
actually
part
of
the
core
economic
development
strategy
of
the
city
already
to
be
advocating
to
the
senior
levels
of
government
for
more
more
funding
and
support
for
for
connectivity,
particularly
in
those
areas
that
are
under
service
as
well.
I
We
continue
with
invest
ottawa
to
do
work,
to
support
the
l5
initiatives
in
the
city
and
digital
main
streets
efforts
to
help
businesses
who
are
struggling
to
actually
find
those
connectivity
supports,
but
we
absolutely
agree
with
the
council.
100
percent
ottawa
needs
a
more
enhanced
connectivity
and
that
is
actually
always
part
of
our
economic
development
strategy.
B
Okay,
excellent,
I'm
I'm
glad
to
hear
that,
and
I
hope,
as
as
we
move
forward
and-
and
I
know
you
you've
referenced
a
new
economic
development
strategy
that
that's
at
the
forefront,
because
again
I
think
it's
critical
to
the
new
reality
that
I
think
we'll
we'll
be
living
in
for
for
quite
some
time.
B
B
It
is
one
of
our
strengths
as
a
city
and
so
the
opportunity
to
make
sure
that
it
is
well
supported
and
continues
to
grow
resonates,
so
any
initiatives
or
efforts
in
that
vein,.
I
So,
mr
mayor,
at
last
year's
budget
cycle,
the
city
committed
300
000
additional
funding
to
invest
ottawa
for
them
to
work
on
the
talent
strategy
on
behalf
of
the
city
of
ottawa,
and
they
are
working
with
industry
partners
to
deliver
that,
and
mr
trombley's
team
is
doing
an
excellent
job,
we're
reaching
out
finding
pipelines
of
talent
for
people
to
come
into
the
city
and
work
with
industry
partners
to
know
that
we're
getting
our
opportunities
out
there
to
the
rest
of
the
world.
It's
it's
very.
I
Right
now,
when,
when
the
borders
are
closed
to
a
lot
of
talent
mobility,
but
I
know
that
the
work
that
they're
doing
will
will
be
both
useful
in
the
short
term
and
the
long
term.
B
Okay,
excellent,
I'm
glad
to
hear
that
work
still
continuing,
I'm
sure
it's
taking
on
a
new
importance
in
our
current
reality,
a
question
with
respect
to
the
city
or
or
our
partners
through
our
partners
focus
on
working
with
small
business
specifically
to
ensure
they
have
an
online
presence.
B
I
think
we
can
all
attest
to
the
fact
that
online
has
become
online.
Shopping,
has
become
a
growing
phenomenon
and
a
need,
frankly
for
for
many
and
the
bricks
and
mortar
presence,
unfortunately,
is
is
taking
a
hit.
So
two
veins
there.
How
are
we
supporting
the
growth
of
online
presence?
But,
secondly,
is
there
a
strategy
or
thought
process
that
your
team
steve
would
be
going
through
around
a
strategy
with
vacancies
in
the
city.
I
So,
mr
mayor,
on
the
first
point
related
to
small
business
presence
on
the
internet-
and
I
hope
you
can
hear
me
clearly
still
invest.
Ottawa
was
very
successful
in
getting
a
grant
through
fedex
ontario,
which
is
both
federal
provincial
joint
funding
for
a
program
called
digital
main
streets,
which
is
all
about
assisting
businesses
getting
online
if
they've
not
previously
been
online
and
invest
ottawa
is,
is
getting
the
leading
experts
in
the
city
to
work
with
them
to
help
and
we've
also
seen
private
initiatives.
I
The
board
of
trade,
for
example,
has
facilitated
a
lot
of
sessions
on
helping
businesses
get
online
if
they
previously
weren't
there.
Luckily,
we
have
a
hotbed
of
people
in
this
city
who
know
how
to
help
each
other
and
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
inter-business
collaboration
going
on
regardless
of
the
efforts
we
do
so
we're
certainly
focused
on
that
and
invest.
Ottawa
is
the
main
agent
for
us
on
that.
I
I
I
think
this
needs
a
much
more
coordinated
strategy
in
time
and
we're
leaving
that
for
the
economic
development
strategy
later
in
the
year
when
we
have
a
better
handle
on
what
areas
need
more
effort
than
others,
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
tools
in
the
toolbox.
The
municipal
act
does
tie
our
hands
a
lot,
but
I
think
that
we're
very
concerned
about
that
issue.
B
Okay,
thank
you.
I
think
we'll
be
following
along
closely
on
that
one.
Unfortunately.
Lastly,
you've
referenced
that
a
new
economic
development
strategy
will
be
developed,
and
I
think
I
heard-
and
I
read
q4
2021
I
I
respect
that.
It's
a
very
fluid
environment
right
now
and
we
are,
I
think,
doing
a
great
job
of
reacting
and
being
as
proactive
as
we
can.
I
just
question
why
q4
2021
for
the
new
strategy.
I
So
so,
mr
mayor,
this
project
was
originally
supposed
to
be
started
in
2020
and
then
completed
in
early
2021.
I
But,
as
I
indicated
earlier,
when
the
pandemic
hit
in
march,
we
made
the
decision
as
a
department
to
put
pens
down
on
all
other
projects
and
focus
on
recovery
efforts,
and
so
it
is,
you
know
we
have
a
limited
pool
of
very,
very
talented
staff.
I'm
we're
very
fortunate
to
have
a
really
outstanding
economic
development
team,
but
it's
small
and
their
focus
has
been
on
the
business
reopening
toolkits
and
everything
else
that
we've
we've
talked
about
so
far,
so
we're
going
to
get
back
on
track.
We
will
deliver
this
in
2021.
I
It's
been
a
priority
for
the
department
for
the
last
couple
of
years,
and
we
know
what
that
strategy
looks
like
because
we've
been
mapping
it
out
well
since
last
year,
but
we
will
bring
it
to
council
as
quickly
as
we
can.
B
Appreciate
it
and-
and
I
wholeheartedly
agree-
you've
got
a
small
but
mighty
team
who
who
do
some
outstanding
work.
I
I
think
the
the
strategy
will
certainly
be
welcome
as
we
consider
what
the
impact
of
covet
is
in
the
in
the
medium
to
long
term.
So
appreciate
that,
and
I
look
forward
to
it
coming
to
to
committee
and
council
later
next
year.
Thank
you.
A
All
right,
thank
you,
councillor
leeper,
please.
H
Thanks
mayor
steve,
I'm
wondering
just
picking
up
on
councillor
suds's
question:
what
does
the
retail
landscape
look
like
in
traditional
main
streets
right
now,
when
I
walk
through
the
wellington
west
and
the
the
westboro
bia
areas?
I
am
surprised
by
how
vibrant
the
the
retail
sector
seems
to
be.
I
have
not
seen
the
kinds
of
vacancies
that
obviously
we
were
all
extremely
nervous
about
at
the
outset
of
the
pandemic.
I
So,
mr
mayor,
we
were,
we
were
going
through
a
major
transition
in
retail
before
the
pandemic
hit
and
that's
sort
of
an
underlying
factor.
We
have
to
remember,
and
it
was
affecting
a
lot
of
businesses
and
the
move.
The
pandemic
has
accelerated
some
of
those
trends,
as
people
do
more
e-commerce
and
it
is
that's,
that's
a
permanent
change
and
I
don't
you
know
all
the
leading
experts
and
everything
we've
read.
Don't
think
that
that's
going
to
go
back
to
the
way
it
was
before
in
its
entirety.
I
A
lot
of
people
will
continue
to
use
e-commerce
as
it
is,
and
we
want
vibrant
main
streets
so
very
concerned,
and-
and
we
were
facing
a
bit
of
a
precipice
this
week
on
commercial
rent
support.
If
the
senior
governments
didn't
continue
the
effort-
and
you
know
they're,
sending
all
the
right
signals,
but
the
winter
is
the
hard
season.
I
You
know:
that's
that's
when,
when
people
may
not
be
out
as
much
and
if
we
have
a
resurgence
of
activity,
so
we
need
a
sustained
effort
by
the
federal
and
provincial
governments
on
this,
and
if
they
don't,
we
could
see
an
acceleration
of
the
decline
in
retail
on
the
main
streets,
which
is
absolutely
what
we
don't
want
to
see.
So
we're
watching
it
very
carefully.
I
I
Mr
mayor,
I
mean
it's
certainly
a
something
that
we've
provided
support
to
the
others
who
do
it.
If
it's
council's
will,
I'm
sure
the
the
we
can
assist
the
mayor
to
communicate
directly
with
the
senior
governments
on
that
matter.
Okay,.
H
And
certainly
it's
something
I
would
encourage
counselors
and
I
know
counselors
have
been
talking
to
mps
talking
to
mpps
about
how
they
can
help,
and
I
I
hope
we
all
continue
to
do
so,
but
with
respect
to
actual
numbers
of
rental,
vacancy
or
retail
vacancies,
do
you
have
a
handle
on
how
many
stores
so
far
may
not
be
reopening.
I
Mr
mayor,
we
don't
have
accurate
data
and
the
the
data
I
have
is
just
what
I
see
on
certain
streets,
and
you
know
I'm.
I,
I
think
council
in
council,
leapers
ward,
the
the
bia,
has
been
very,
very
active
in
supporting
the
businesses
and
we've
seen
some
really
good
opportunities.
I've
walked
streets
with
counselors
like
counselors
lula,
councillor
gower,
for
example,
and
seen
different
things
in
different
areas.
I
It's
a
very
uneven
effect
and
we
don't
have
reliable
data
yet,
but
we
we
should
see
by
year-end
a
bit
more
information
that
we
might
be
able
to
rely
on.
H
I
think
one
stakeholder
who
suggested
that
we
need
to
relook
at
our
traditional
main
street
zoning,
which
precludes
some
things
like,
for
example,
real
estate
offices,
because
you
know
they
tend
to
fill
their
front
window
up
with
with
with
advertisements
and
has
suggested
that
the
the
the
vacancies
are
going
to
be
so
damaging
that
we
need
to
start
looking
at
relaxing
some
of
those
rules
just
so
that
there
are
at
least
tenants
in
those
buildings,
and
I
I'm
not
sure
that
we're
at
the
point
where
we
can
say
that
that's
actually
going
to
be
something
we're
required
to
do.
I
Just
really
quickly,
mr
mayor,
I've
actually
asked
the
zoning
team
they're
preparing
the
work
plan
for
planning
committee
to
consider
for
the
rewrite
of
the
zoning
bylaw,
and
I've
asked
them
to
put
that
issue
on
the
list
to
study
as
part
of
that
project.
Okay,.
H
I
Mr
mayor,
we
will
we'll
go
in
to
statistics,
canada,
data
and
see
if
we
can
get
that
information,
and
I
will
provide
a
memo
to
council
with
that
breakdown.
If
we
can
find
it
in
time
for
council.
H
P
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
mayor,
and
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
We
are
fortunate
here
in
ottawa
that
we
don't
get
hit
as
hard.
We've
got
much
more
stable
economy
with
the
federal
government,
and
so
that
helps
out
a
lot,
and
I
want
to
thank
my
my
colleague
councillor
al
shantiri,
for
inviting
me
out
to
his
ward
and
and
yes,
cyclists-
add
to
the
economy
out
there
and
and
I'd
love
to
encourage
more
of
them
out
there.
P
It's
it's
always
great
to
to
visit
carp
in
terms
of
the
economic
recovery.
One
of
the
concerns
I
have
is
youth
that
there's
even
before
the
the
pandemic,
we
had
issues
in
terms
of
them
finding
jobs
as
especially
those
in
less
fortunate
situations,
and
I
wonder
if
there's
anything
in
here
that
can
still
draw
them
in
you
know,
given
that
we're
battling
against
the
effects
of
a
pandemic.
P
But
I
just
don't
want
to
forget
that
group
of
that
who
have
a
harder
time
getting
getting
jobs.
I'm
talking
about
career
jobs,
I'm
not
talking
about
working
at
retail
stores
exactly
but
in
terms
of
participating
in
our
economy.
I
Mr
mayor,
that
the
councilor
has
a
very
good
point:
it's
certainly
something
we're
tracking
in
youth
unemployment
and
when
we
look
at
that
data
we'll
see
if
we
can
get
some
data
on
youth
unemployment,
we
we
know
that
across
the
country,
those
numbers
are
climbing
very
very
rapidly,
and
there
are
a
number
of
things
that
drive
that
some
of
what
has
to
do
with
the
precarious
work.
Some
of
it
has
to
do
with
the
fact
that
entry-level
workers
usually
are
the
first
to
to
be
unemployed
in
a
downturn.
I
We're
also
seeing
a
number
of
people
unable
to
you
know
not
choosing
to
go
to
post-secondary
education,
for
example,
because
of
the
limitations
and
also
entering
the
workforce.
So
it's
a
national
problem
and
you
know
where,
where
our
strategies
can
assist
we'll
we'll.
Certainly
what
look
for
that
at
this
stage
we're
it's
a
much
more
broader
sectoral
support,
we're
trying
to
do,
but
I
think
you
know
we
do
have
to
keep
our
eyes
on
this
and
the
counselors
correct
about
that.
P
Thank
you
very
much,
and
I
just
wanted
to
know
if
there's
been
a
gender
lens
put
on
on
this
plan,
I
did
notice
the
mention
of
the
sheboot
program
and
that's
great,
but
just
in
overall
is
that
being
taken
into
consideration,
since
that's
a
major
part
of
the
economy.
I
Mr
mayor,
it's
always
a
it's
always
a
top
of
mind
that
we're
looking
at
the
unequal
impacts
of
the
economic
downturn,
and
we
know
that
that's
very
much
an
issue
and
when
we're
working
with
our
partners,
such
as
the
board
of
trade
and
rja,
for
example,
they're
they're
delivering
programs
specifically
focused
at
women
entrepreneurs
invest.
Ottawa
has
had
an
outstanding
program
this
year.
On
that,
so
you
know
we're
we're
keeping
up
those
efforts
even
in
the
downturn,
because
we
think
entrepreneurship
is
a
good
growth
opportunity
for
those
areas.
I
So
it's
it's.
It's
important
to
continue
to
support
that.
P
Thank
you
very
much.
I
have
a
question
for
you.
That's
it's
really
a
national
question,
but
the
real
estate
market
is
is
crazy,
hot
right
now
and
I
want
to
know
what
effects
that
has
on
our
economy
because
it
doesn't,
it
just
raises
prices
of
houses
which
pushes
a
lot
of
people
out
of
the
the
buying
market
that
were
that
might
have
joined
and
into
into
homeownership,
and
I'm
a
little
worried
about
it,
because
I
I
don't
see
it
as
an
up.
P
I
see
it
as
as
a
problem
kind
of
like
what
vancouver
went
through,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
get
your
analysis
of
that.
I
So,
mr
marriage,
it's
interesting.
We
have
an
unprecedented
situation
in
the
local
real
estate
market,
the
anecdotal
stories,
including
people
sitting
around
me
right
now,
who've
been
in
the
real
estate
market.
It
just.
I
don't
think.
We've
ever
seen
this
in
ottawa
before
at
all,
it's
brand
new
for
us
and
it's
not
just
ottawa,
and
it's
not
just
ontario.
I
mean
we're
hearing
evidence
united
states
that
some
of
the
same
things
are
going
on.
So
this
is
a
social
phenomenon
that
I'm
not
sure
we
understand
what's
driving
it.
I
Yet
I
don't
know
if
it's,
because
people
have
more
disposable
income
who
have
jobs
or
whether
it's
people
change
change,
interest
rates
being
extremely
low.
We
don't
know
what's
driving
it
yet.
So
it's
very
much
a
concern,
and
during
our
scenario-based
planning
work
for
the
official
plan,
we
I
did
identify
the
risk
of
an
extremely
hot
housing
market
as
being
a
real
risk
auto
because
we've
always
marketed
ourselves
as
being
more
affordable
than
everywhere
else.
I
So
it
is
a
concern
and
we
will
have
a
knock
on
effects
and
we're
afraid
we
are
concerned
about
how
it
might
affect
our
housing.
The
the
diversity
of
our
housing
market,
the
availability
of
affordable
housing
for
for
a
wide
range
of
people.
So
I
don't
have
an
answer
to
that.
Yet
because
it's
such
a
new
phenomenon
for
us,
but
we'll
continue
to
work
with
our
partners
in
cssd
to
monitor
the
situational
report
to
council.
As
we
have
more
data.
A
You
counselor
gurus,
please.
N
Thank
you,
mr
mayor,
and
thank
you
very
much
steve
for
the
presentation
with
you
and
your
team,
I'm
going
to
echo
what
counselor,
sas
and
eli
said
concerning
the
encouragement
and
the
way
that
you
guys
came
up
to
to
the
market
and
to
the
community
to
help
our
economy
and
making
sure
our
small
businesses
and
everything
has
been
able
to
make
some
money
or
recover
some
of
the
profit.
A
couple
I
have
a
few
things
for
you.
N
One
of
them
is
throughout
your
strategy
for
the
long
term
in
the
queue
for
2021
when
you're
gonna
sub.
Are
you
gonna
look
about
some
of
those
zoning
bylaw
or
some
of
those
permission
that
we
gave
some
of
the
people
that
necessary
in
in
only
in
the
city
of
our
downtown
or
urban
or
suburban
on
how
they're
going
to
be
able
to
manage
their
business
for
the
future
instead
of
only
temporary
allowing
them
to
do
the
patio?
Is
that
something
you
are
planning
or
you
want
to
look
into
it
after
cover.
I
So,
mr
mayor,
there
really
two
answers
to
that
in
the
short
term,
we're
looking
at
whether
or
not
depending
how
long
the
pandemic
goes,
whether
or
not
we
replicate
the
program
into
next
year.
We're
looking
at
a
winter
version
right
now
and
we'll
report
to
you
very
shortly
on
that
we'll
look
at
a
continuation
of
the
current
program
into
next
year
and
tweaking
it
to
see
if
we
can
improve
it.
I
Based
on
the
lessons
learned-
and
you
know,
to
be
frank,
I
think
we've
seen
lots
of
really
great
street
activity
and
there
will
be
some
aspects
of
this
we'd
like
to
bring
proposals
to
council
to
make
permanent.
Mr
curry's
team
will
be
looking
at
that
and
bringing
that
part
of
their
recommendations
as
we
come
forward,
but
too
early
to
give
you
a
definitive
answer
on
on
this,
yet,
but
other
than
that.
We
we're
looking
at
winter
now
and
we'll
be
back
with
recommendations
very
shortly
on
that.
N
I
know
I'm
happy
to
see
that
you're
going
to
look
at
also
the
f
for
the
future,
how
we
will
be
able
to
if
we
see
some
area
where
it
it
makes
sense
to
have
those
patio
or
those
street
activity
to
keep
them
and
will
be
very
open-minded.
To
look
at
that.
I
have
a
one
more
question
concerning
the
process.
I
know
that
you're
looking
into
the
winter
and
the
fall-
and
I
understand
that
you
guys
in
your
team,
is
in
in
the
midst
of
looking
at
it.
Now.
N
If
we
have
suggestion
or
I
have,
we
have
few
businesses,
we
need
to
look
at
because
now
people
want
to
invest
in
this
in
three
seasons:
audio
and
they
want
to
spend
money.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
they
could
use
this
investment
or
or
their
values
in
the
future
will
be
able
who
will
be
able
to
discuss
or
one-on-one
or
because
some
scenario-
it's
not
always
the
cookie
cookie
cutter-
doesn't
fix
everything.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
there
is
anybody
in
your
team
or
in
your.
I
So,
mr
mayor,
really
quickly
on
three
season:
patios
first,
I
cautioned
anybody
who's
looking
at
them,
we
would
love
to
see
them
happen.
They
do
require
building
code
approval,
so
people
should
be
in
close
contact
with
building
code
as
quickly
as
possible
to
discuss
their
requirements
with
them
and,
secondly,
our
staff
and
economic
development
are
on
point.
They
can
certainly
contact
any
of
our
economic
development
staff
and
they
will
assist
them,
get
the
answers.
They
need
we're
we're
here
to
help.
N
No,
I
I
I
and
that's
that's
my
that's
basically,
why
I'm
bringing
this
point
to
right
now,
because
it's
important
building
code
will
tell
you
something
and
of
course,
your
team
will.
We
need
to
make
sure
we
have
a
partnership
and
synchronizing
those
two
process
together,
so
we'll
be
able
to
making
sure
give
the
right
advice
to
the
to
the
establishment
or
to
the
restaurant.
I
N
A
Thank
you,
councillor
derus
councillor
dude
asks
please.
T
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
there's
been
so
many
phenomenal
questions
that
have
been
asked
so
far
and
a
lot
of
kudos
related
to
your
team
and
to
the
business
community
and
the
collaboration
that
has
led
us
to
this
point.
Where
we're
you
know
we're
managing
to
fare.
Well
with
the
situation
that
we've
been
faced
with,
I
did
have
a
question
in
regards
to
the
high
economic
impact
projects
that
city
staff
were
going
to
be
looking
at
that's
projects
that
would
bring
large
development
to
the
city,
creating
jobs
and
economic
growth.
T
I'm
curious
as
to
if
you've
had
any
luck
with
that.
It
seems
like
that's
a
very
ambitious
task
in
the
last
six
months
being
the
the
economy
as
it
is
and
and
the
business
communities
as
it
has
been.
I'm
wondering
I
understand
that
staff
are
looking
at
developing
this
program.
Has
it
launched?
What
does
that
look
like
when
you're
identifying
locations?
Is
it
going
to
be
spread
across
the
city?
T
I
know
in
the
east
end
in
particular,
I
can
speak
to
the
fact
that
we
do
have
a
lack
of
jobs
and
economic
growth
and
we're
trying
to
rectify
that.
With
your
with
your
aid,
so
I'm
just
curious
if
you
can
give
a
very
brief
overview
of
where
that's
at
what
we
can
expect
that
to
look
like.
I
The
high
economic
impact
program
is
a
program
that,
if
employers
coming
in
for
creating
more
than
100
jobs,
regardless
of
where
it
is
in
the
city,
rather
than
go
through
the
normal
planning
support
process
with
a
planner
from
development
review
services
running
the
file,
we
actually
assign
a
staff
person
from
economic
development
to
run
the
file
for
them
and
work
to
expedite
it.
And
all
of
the
commenting
periods
are
shortened
and
we
have
a
fast
track
issues.
I
Resolution
process
for
it
and
examples
of
the
projects
that
have
already
gone
through,
that
are
the
two
amazon
facilities,
the
one
in
the
east,
end
of
boundary
road
and
the
new
one
being
constructed
in
bar
haven
and
also
the
soundstage
project.
That's
going
to
be
constructed
on
woodruff
avenue
is
also
a
part
of
that
program,
so
that
program
exists
where
again
employers,
if
if
they
have
a
project
that
meets
that
they
can
call
me
personally
and
I
will
make
sure
we
get
them
assigned
to
somebody
to
help
run
the
file.
I
We're
going
to
be
broadening
the
criteria
in
the
next
little
while
to
include
a
new
stream
called
high
social
impact
as
well,
which
may
have
different
criteria
than
the
hundred
jobs,
and
it
may
be
one
of
those
extremely
critical,
affordable
housing
projects
or
those
other
or
something
of
that
ilk.
We're
working
on
the
criteria
and
we'll
present
that
to
committee
shortly.
T
So
steve
one
quick
follow-up,
though
you
mentioned
that
employers
potential
employers
can
reach
out
to
the
city.
Are
we
reaching
out
to
potential
employers?
I
mean
this
is
a
very
difficult
global
economy
right
now,
but
being
that
city
is
so
well
positioned
in
terms
of
bearing
so
well
coming
out
of
this
pandemic.
Does
that
put
us
in
a
better
position
than
say
other
jurisdictions
in
terms
of
achieving
those
objectives.
I
So,
mr
mayor
city,
economic
development
staff,
directly
don't
reach
out
but
but
invest
ottawa
does
that's
actually
their
role,
we've
assigned
that
role
to
them,
and
they
they
do
they
market
ottawa
in
around
canada
and
around
the
world,
and
they're
still
in
contact
with
companies
from
outside
of
canada,
who
are
interested
in
investing
in
ottawa
as
the
opportunities
as
things
become
a
little
clearer.
We
also
started
a
new
initiative
this
year,
where
we
re-engaged
working
with
the
province
and
their
economic
development
marketing.
You
know
up
until
last
year,
they
were.
I
The
province
was
only
concerned
with
certain
very
very
narrow
group
of
industries
that
they
would
market
and
an
ottawa
was
not
a
target
for
the
industries.
They
were
chasing
now
that
they
are
actually
broadening
what
they're
chasing
we're
working,
much
more
collaboratively
with
them,
and
I
think
we've
made
massive
inroads
with
them
in
the
last
year.
A
Okay,
thank
you
so
on
the
report
received.
A
Next
notice,
a
motion
for
consideration
of
subsequent
meetings,
meeting
inquiries,
any
written
inquiries,
other
business
counselor
dudas,
has
a
motion
that
requires
suspension
of
the
rules
with
respect
to
a
governance,
bia
working
group
that
was
requested
by
the
ottawa
coalition
of
business
improvement
areas.
So
on
suspension
carriers.
T
The
finance
and
economic
development
committee
recommend
council
establish
a
temporary
temporary
working
group
comprised
of
senior
economic
development
staff,
be
selected
by
the
general
manager
of
planning,
infrastructure
and
economic
development.
A
representative
of
legal
services,
a
representative
of
the
office
of
the
city,
clerk
representatives
of
city
council
and
board
members
of
ocobia
to
review
governance
matters
related
to
the
relationship
between
bias
and
the
city
of
ottawa,
and
bring
forward
recommendations
for
consideration
as
part
of
the
midterm
governance
review
or,
where
applicable,
2022
term
of
council
governance
review
and
be
it
further
resolved.
T
P
T
Certainly,
mr
mayor,
you
know
our
relationship,
as
I
said
before,
our
collaboration
with
our
business
community
in
particular.
Our
bias
is
incredibly
strong,
but
this
this
letter
that
we
had
received
from
acobia
will
continue
to
further
strengthen
that
give
us
the
ability
to
provide
overview
of
governance
and
really
strengthen
that
relationship
and
that
partnership
between
the
city,
as
well
as
our
business
community.
So
I
certainly
would
encourage
members
to
support
this,
and
you
know
I
think
it's
a
wonderful
initiative.
R
Thank
you,
mr
mayor.
I
wonder
if
it
would
be
a
friendly
amendment
to
include
the
ottawa
border
trade,
because
not
all
wards
have
bias
and
in
fact
the
ottawa
board
of
trade
has
done
a
lot
of
work
to
merge
with
other
chamber
commerces
and
boards
of
trades
across
the
city,
and
I
think
they've
got
membership
in
the
range
of
seven
or
800
members.
R
So
I
think
it's
very
important
that
if
what
we're
trying
to
do
by
way
of
this
motion
is
improve
our
relationship
with
businesses
within
the
city,
then
it's
not
going
to
work
unless
we
have
the
board
of
trade
involved
in
it.
But
would
that
be
a
friendly
amendment?.
G
A
You
I
think
I
saw
a
counselor
harder,
no
okay,.
B
I'm
I'm
I'm
just
pondering
the
friendly
amendment
that
councillor
hubley
just
put
forward
and
I'm
pondering
it
because
I
think
the
relationship
that
a
cobia
is
asking
us
to
look
into-
and
you
know
delve
further
into-
is
their
governance
model
and
the
relationship
that
governance
between
the
city
of
ottawa
and
our
respective
20
odd
bias,
and
I'm
I'm
not
sure
that
the
same
governance
entails
with
the
ottawa
board
of
trade.
I
think
it's
a
different
model,
so
I'm
just
questioning
whether
that
makes
sense
or
not.
That's
all.
A
Yeah,
I
think
my
understanding
is
counselor.
Hubley's
point
is
more
that
they
would
be
sitting
around
the
the
table,
perhaps
acting
as
a
bit
of
a
voice
for
those
areas
that
don't
have
a
bia,
because
this
councilor
dude
asks.
His
motion
is
very
much
geared
towards
the
governance
and
relationship
bias
in
the
city.
B
A
B
I'm
not
opposing
I'm
just
trying
to
get
my
head
around
the
world
just
again
because
of
the
distinct,
the
distinct
governance
relationship,
but
that's
fine.
Thank
you.
Thank.
H
Thanks
and
I
I
I
would
pick
up
on
councillor
sudz's
point
again-
I
if,
as
I
read
the
letter
from
acobia,
what
they're
clearly
asking
the
city
to
look
at
is
the
role
of
the
counselor
on
the
bia.
So
they
write
things
like
it
has.
It
has
come
to
our
attention
that
there
is
a
significant
variation
in
the
type
of
rules
that
govern
the
relationship
between
each
bia
and
the
city,
as
well
as
the
municipal
representative
that
sits
on
their
board.
H
So
ocobia
is
looking
to,
I
guess,
standardize
how
counselors
and
and
their
boards
work.
They
repeat
it
again
in
a
later
part
of
their
letter.
So
I
mean
I
think
what
okovia
is
looking
for
is
to
try
to
understand
the
counselor's
role
on
the
board.
There
shouldn't
be
any
confusion.
H
Counselors
are
a
member
of
the
board
under
the
under
the
municipal
act
and
and
have
all
the
rights
and
privileges
of
board
members,
but
I
I'm
struggling
to
understand
why
we'd
want
to
broaden
that
out
to
include
boards
trade,
given
that
you
know
the
real
issue
that
a
cobia
wants
to
discuss
is
not
you
know
the
relationship
between
businesses
in
the
city,
I
think
what
they're
really
trying
to
get
at
is
what
is
the
role
of
a
counselor
on
a
bia
board?
C
Thank
you
mayor
and
I'd
really
like
to
hear
what
councilor
el
shantiri
has
to
say
about
this
because
he's
been
your
longtime
representative
on
a
cobia.
But
let's
remember
folks.
This
is
a
cobia,
that's
asking
for
it
and
therefore
I
think
it
should
be
specific
to
the
rules
as
we
apply
them
to
our
bia
system.
We
have
a
lot
of
bias.
I
know
that
where
we
don't,
we
don't,
but
it's
not
because
in
many
cases
like
there
has
been
interest
in
other
parts
of
the
city
in
forming
bias.
C
If
the
ottawa
border
trade
is
concerned
about
anything,
they're
certainly
free
to
write
to
us
and
we'll
deal
with
it,
but
this
is
the
kobe
driven.
I
think
it
would
be
most
appropriate
if
we
deal
with
it
just
with
the
governance
as
it
applies
to
the
bias.
C
So
I
agree
with
councillor
suds
and
certainly
I,
as
I
said,
I'd
like
to
hear
what
counselor
alcian
terry
says,
I
I
I
think
it
would
complicate
something
that
doesn't
need
to
be
complicated,
but
it
does
need
to
be
clarified
because
there
shouldn't
be
an
assumption
that
all
counselors
play
the
same
roles
in
bar
haven,
for
example
the
bar
even
bia
we
don't
have,
or
we
didn't
have
a
a
voting
role.
C
C
So
I
think
that
if
councillor
hubey
wants
to
move
it
as
a
separate
motion,
that's
fine,
but
I
don't
think
we
should
tie
it
in
with
the
cobia
ask.
Thank
you,
colleagues.
A
I
I
have
a
time
commitment,
unfortunately,
another
event
I
supposed
to
be
at
20
minutes
ago,
so
we
have
four
more
speakers
on
a
relatively
innocuous
motion.
Yeah.
A
T
Just
jump
in
can
we
is
it
possible
to
simply
word
it
and
that
we
will
reach
out
to
the
board
to
see
if
they
wish
to
be
consulted
on
this
matter
and
then
have
it
in
that
site,
because
I
fully
agree
with
this
conversation.
The
bia
governance
and
respect
to
the
city
and
its
involvement
differs
from
obot,
but
I
know
that
in
conversations
with
obot
having
a
strengthened
relationship
with
our
business
community
on
a
broad
scale
is
always
beneficial.
So
rather
than
open
up,
this
can
of
worms
that
we're
all
delving
into.
A
Is
that
okay,
it
still
addresses
your
issue
of
reaching
out
to
the
board
of
trade,
but
more
for
their
advice,
as
opposed
to
their
involvement
in
a
bia
issue.
R
Absolutely,
mr
mayor
and,
as
you
know,
I've
done
it
several
times
in
the
past,
where,
whenever
we're
dealing
with
issues
with
the
bia,
I
always
ask
that
the
board
of
trade
be
included
in
it.
Just
so
we
reach
that
bride,
a
broader
range
of
businesses,
but
if
this
motion
is
very
specific
that
it's
only
going
to
deal
with
the
the
counselor's
representation
on
the
bia,
then
I
I
understand
that
the
need
to
not
include
them
in
that,
and
so
I
accept
the
the
the
change
that
counselor
dude
has
is
suggesting.
A
Yeah,
I
think
that
was
the
intent
of
the
the
wrote
to
vias
so
counselor
el
shantiri,
please
counselor
harder.
Were
you
you're
finished.
D
Quickly,
mr
mayor,
I
know
I'm
glad
we're
back
to
the
original
motion,
because
the
original
motion
came
from
out
of
a
council
of
baas
and
we
need
to
address
that
concern
and
I
totally
agree
with
my
colleague.
We
need
to
focus
on
this
one
and
move
forward,
and
the
border
trade
is
always
our
partner.
We
work
together,
but
that's
not
that's,
not
the
the
question
here
or
the
issue
at
all.
D
So
I
would
encourage
you
to
support
the
motion
the
way
it
is
because
that's
how
came
to
us
from
the
govia
and
we
need
to
establish
that
the
continue
the
consistency
among
all
the
ias
and
that
are
presented.
A
Okay,
so
on
the
motion
carried
okay,
thank
you,
emotional
adjourn
carried,
and
our
next
meeting
will
be
tuesday
october
6
october
meeting
adjourned.
Thank
you
very
much.