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Planning Committee meeting – July 12, 2016 – Audio Stream
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A
All
right,
thank
you,
everyone
for
your
attention,
we're
going
to
start
today's
July
12th
planning
committee.
Believe
it
or
not.
It's
the
agenda.
29
I
know
those
of
us
on
this
committee
believe
that
what
it
is.
This
is
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
proposed
comprehensive
official
plan
and
zoning
bylaw
amendments
listed
as
items
one,
four,
six
and
seven
on
today's
agenda
for
the
items
listed
above.
Only
those
who
make
all
submissions
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendments
are
adopted
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
interior
municipal
board.
A
In
addition,
the
applicant
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
interim.
Miss
the
board
of
council
does
not
adopt
an
amendment
within
120
days
of
receipt
of
the
application
for
zoning
in
180
days
for
an
official
plan
amendment,
and
as
most
of
you
know,
and
if
you
don't
a
common
sheet
is
available
over
there
under
that
screen.
For
anyone
wishing
to
submit
written
comments
or
to
sign
up
to
speak
and
when
you
sign
up
to
speak
and
it's
your
attorney,
you
have
five
minutes.
Thank
you.
A
All
right,
any
declarations
of
interest
committee
members,
no
confirmation
of
minutes
from
the
meeting
of
the
28th
of
June
its
that
carry.
Thank
you.
Okay.
Her
first
night
in
mom
was
tabled
at
the
last
meeting.
It's
the
kanata
north
of
an
expansion
study
area,
integrated
official
plan
amendment
and
environmental
assessment.
As
you
know,
we
I
closed
the
door
on
the
on
the
public
portion
and
tabled
it
today
for
debate
and
questions.
So
I'm
going
to
ask
mr.
Smith's
coming
forward
mr.
Colley's
and
mr.
Chau.
A
Okay,
though
you
may
find
it's
a
little
bit
strange
to
have
mr.
chan
up
here
at
this
point,
but
I'm
going
to
tell
you
what
I
didn't
know
the
last
meeting
and
which
I
think
if
I
had
known
it
would
have
saved
us.
A
lot
of
time
is
that
this,
this
CDP
for
the
past
three
years
has
been
developer
driven.
So
therefore,
the
ownership
and
the
most
knowledge
of
the
different
most
difficult
questions
and
another
thing
was
there
were
interesting
questions
that
I
think
that
mr.
Chow,
a
new
it'll
be
helpful.
A
B
B
Okay,
the
tight
I'm,
not
clear
of
here
is
I
understand
through
the
exercise.
There
was
a
report
done
that
said
that
we
could
have
got
smaller,
Park
right
here,
because
it's
only
meant
for
the
buses
at
the
end
of
the
loop.
We
have
the
new
parking
light
being
built
at
innovation.
That's
supposed
to
be
providing
all
the
capacity
in
that
area.
Was
there
not
any
consideration
for
having
the
to
put
together
into
one
good
sized
parking
lot.
C
Through
you,
madam
chair
I,
guess
in
terms
of
the
Park
and
Ride
the
location
in
this
part
of
the
city,
it
was
identified
already
in
the
city's
official
plan
and
the
TMP
as
a
result
of
a
park-and-ride
study.
There
was
a
couple
studies
done
that
OSI
commissioned
and
there
was
recommendation
to
have
a
partner
right
in
this
community
at
the
southern
portion
of
this
community.
C
Through
the
process,
though,
we
evaluated
whether
that
southern
portion
that
southern
location
was
the
most
appropriate
location,
it's
already
an
official
plan
starting
the
TMP
and
obviously
transfer
from
the
perspective
of
wanting
to
have
the
parking
lights.
Typically,
at
the
end
of
line
about
that,
a
much
better
location
we,
the
northern
part
of
this
community,
it
would
serve
the
rural
population
better.
C
It
would
serve
the
new
residents
better
and
also
works
better
for
Ruby,
especially
during
rush
hour
traffic,
and
so
that
was
the
reason
why
the
existing
identified,
Park
&
Ride,
was
moved
further
to
the
north.
In
terms
of
consideration
of
joining,
the
two
I
would
have
to
probably
look
over
dou
C
transpose
and
yes,
Stefan
off
is
here.
Maybe
she
can
answer
that
question
in
this
specific
detail,
but
so
it's.
B
I
just
worked
on
it
with
them
was
to
get
the
parking
light
open
at
the
Canadian
Tire
place,
and
so
the
question
is
where
we
could
have
those
spots
for
next
to
nothing.
Why
are
we
spending
tens
of
millions
of
dollars
creating
a
new
park
of
ride
and
now
a
spinoff
of
that
new
park
arrived
so
who
answers
that
you
guys
are
all
season
at
some
point.
You
have
to
be
accountable
to
the
taxpayer.
Yes,
well,.
C
B
A
Does
anyone
have
that
we
do
have
a
couple
of
nations
on
this
item
and
maybe
and
I
know
I
haven't
done
the
consent
agenda
yet,
but
we'll
do
it
after
we
we
go
through
this.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
on
the
canal
nor
CDP
for
any
of
the
people
before
us
go
okay?
So
let's
go
introduce
the
motions
vice
chair
attorney.
We
have
two.
The
first
of
all
have
one
with
regard
to
crapload
accounts
are
here.
We
want
to
introduce
that
one
for
our
councilor
auctioneering.
B
Whereas
concerns
have
been
expressed
by
members
of
the
public
regarding
the
to
increase
in
traffic,
long
walk
up
road
as
a
result
of
the
proposed
development
of
Canada
North
open
expansion
area,
therefore
be
it
resolved
that
the
kanata
north
community
design
plan
be
amended
to
require
the
monitoring
of
traffic
along
no
cap
road,
once
approximately
750
units
have
been
constructed
on
the
west
side
of
North
Road
within
the
CTP
area.
Thank
you.
So.
A
B
B
Sorry,
open
expensive
lens
is
approximately
three
point:
five
kilometers
from
the
rich
craft
recreation
complex
in
Kannada
and
whereas
the
community
park,
preliminary
design,
a
fit
plan
shows
two
full-size
soccer
fields.
A
double
tennis
court
play
structure,
splash
pad
bottling
board,
a
drink
for
hockey
and
basketball,
a
shade
structure
and
two
parking
lots,
but
no
provision
for
washrooms
or
community
meeting
space,
whereas
the
project
popular
projected
population
of
8,000
is
to
be
housed
on
these
lands.
B
Providing
for
a
50
percent
portion
of
the
cause,
therefore,
be
it
resolved.
The
figure
3.
The
fit
plan
for
the
community
part
be
modified
to
show
a
location
for
a
field
house
of
2500
square
feet,
and
the
description
for
the
community
part
be
amended
to
include
a
field
goats
in
the
park.
Construction
to
be
subject
to
funding
for
the
field
house
being
resolved
prior
to
the
construction
of
the
park,
failing
which
the
site
will
be
reserved
for
construction
a
later
date
when
funding
is
obtained.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
So.
A
E
E
On
the
screen,
I
just
had
a
question
to
staff,
so
this
is
basically
for
futures
I
assume,
and
it
would
be
up
to
you
councillor
Wilkinson,
to
raise
this
money.
Is
this
a
practice
that
we
should
be
doing
for
all
of
planning
efforts
in
the
future
as
councilors
putting
these
kind
of
placeholders
in
there.
C
A
You
know
with
the
usual
things
queue-jumping
and
that
sort
of
thing
and
taxpayers
money
and
that
sort
of
thing
and
forcing
the
hand
of
the
taxpayer
being
all
of
us
collectively
to
support
it
because
the
park
was
going
in
so
I
did
talk
to
the
general
manager
of
Parks
and
Rec
dantien
yay
and
to
Kevin
wary,
and
so
this
is
what
Dan
sent
me
this
morning.
He
said
councilor
to
add
to
Kevin's
note.
A
Also,
the
motion
reflects
the
chat
I
had
with
councillor
Wilkinson
yesterday
that
the
facility
kept
of
a
size
not
to
cause
a
pressure
on
the
city
having
to
staff
it.
So
a
facility
of
this
size
would
be
operated
by
way
of
key
agreements
with
user
groups,
which
is
the
way
field
houses.
Are
we
don't
have
any
staff
at
Kinross
field
house?
It
was
paid
for
by
the
user
groups,
the
soccer
and
rugby
and
football
and
all
that
kind
of
stuff.
E
And
thank
you
for
that,
madam
chair,
but
I
think
I'm
I'm
I'm,
just
questioning
with
eight
this
week.
Councillor
wall
can
still
be
able
to
do
this
in
the
future,
or
is
this
just
something
that
we're
putting
out
there
to
make
sure
it's
part
of
the
record
and
I'm
asking
because
in
established
areas
like
where
I
have
I
got
Ken's,
Deer,
Park
and
now
getting
section
37
money
to
put
a
bunker?
And
you
know
25
years
after
the
field
was
built
if
we're
to
build
new
field.
E
C
It
just
the
council
will
have
some
comments
in
this,
but
I
think
it
provides
some
clarity
and
it
can
you
speak
loud.
It
was
right,
I
think
it
provides
some
clarity
in
terms
of
a
future
desire,
and
you
know
the
park
is
going
to
be
designed.
We
have
fit
plans
in
the
CDP
that
shows
all
the
facilities
within
the
park
and
by
identifying
that
this
is
a
possible
space
that
could
be
coming
in
for
a
field
house
we'll
design
around
that.
C
A
F
Certainly,
the
council
Wilkinson
was
at
the
table
throughout
this
process
and
she
has
raised
this
a
couple
of
times.
Obviously,
the
question
of
funding
was
initially
were
struggling
with
in
terms
of
what
we
showed
on
the
apart
fit
plans
that
were
included
in
the
CDP
that
was
released
to
the
public
and
to
members
of
this
committee
earlier
in
in
Maine,
but
I
I
think
this
is
a
good
approach
to
who
to
make
sure
that
there
is
a
location
identified
on
that
Park
fit
plan.
So
we,
if
and
when
funding
is
available.
F
A
F
If
I
can
jump
in,
it
might
be
a
little
bit
faster
there,
his
pathways
located
on
the
inside
of
the
collector
roads
that
surround
that
part.
There
are
bike
lanes
on
March,
Road
adjacent
to
that
Park
and
to
the
north
there's
a
creek
corridor
with
a
recreational
trail
along
it,
which
would
connect
to
those
multi-use
pathways
or
the
bicycle
tracks
on
March
roads
and
there's
a
signalized
intersection
Admiral
to
provide
access
to
all
of
the
residents
on
the
east
side
of
Marsh
Road.
So
it's
a
very
accessible
park
for
by
non
vehicular
modes
of
transportation.
F
E
G
The
plane
yeah
thanks
very
much.
It
would
be
hopeful
if
these
motions
could
get
circulated.
Cuz
I,
you
know
further
them,
but
it
sometimes
it's
nice
to
read
them
specifically,
I
guess.
My
question
is:
how
do
we
ensure
that
the
notion
of
reserving
space
for
this
facility
doesn't
then
put
pressure
on
either
the
next
round
of
Street
initiatives
or
development
charge
by
our
review
to
come
up
with
a
way
to
generate
funds
to
build
it
from
the
taxpayers
opposed
to
from
the
community
or
from
the
development.
A
E
But
in
general,
just
reread
either.
Therefore,
Clause
therefore
be
resolved
in
figure
3.
The
foot
plan
for
the
community
park
be
modified
to
show
the
location
of
the
field
house
of
2500
square
feet
and
the
description
for
the
community
park
amended
to
include
field
house
in
the
park.
Construction
will
be
subject
to
the
funding
from
the
field
house
be
resolved
prior
to
construction
of
the
park,
failing
which
the
site
of
the
field
house
will
be
reserved
for
construction
at
a
later
date
when
funding
is
obtained.
Yes,.
G
A
G
His
wind
blowing
madam
chair,
is
in
Cumberland.
We
had
a
facility
that
was
on
a
plan
that
was
shown
that
there
was
no
plan
to
fundraise
for
or
to
raise
money
for
or
to
develop
in
any
way
shape
or
form,
and
we
created
a
local
development
charge
to
pay
for
it.
In
partnership
with
the
home
builders
in
the
neighborhood
to
accelerate
this,
and
so
I'm,
not
sure
why
we
simply
went
by
language
and
that
there
should
be
paid
for
through
an
area,
specific
development
charge
restricted
to
the
community
that
were
talking
about.
So.
C
Motion
of
the
motion
in
front
of
me
now,
I
didn't
I
just
got
circulated
it's
their
last
words,
so
we're
a
city's
staff
indicated
that
a
community
association
LED
application
to
the
Community
Partnership
major
capital
programs
should
be
made
subject
to
local
fundraising,
provide
providing
50%
portion
of
the
cause.
Mr.
G
A
My
suggestion
I'm
actually
just
sending
the
email
that
I
received
from
mr.
Shin
EA
this
morning
to
mr.
mark
and
asking
if
you
can
take
the
the
real
points
here,
which
include
DC
comments,
significant
pressure
on
budgets
or
FTEs.
That
sort
of
thing
and
incorporated
into
this
motion
the
last
rendition
of
the
motion
that
has
been
read
into
off
on
the
floor
and
while
we're
doing
that,
can
we
just
table
this
again.
I'll
go
through
the
consent
agenda,
while
he's
looking
at
that
and
we'll
come
back,
I
think
that
we're
all
on.
A
We
want
the
opportunity,
Parks
and
Recreation,
ask
council
back
in
2004.
Should
we
have
an
opportunity
sure
we
should
I
mean
wish
we
all
what
we're
doing
that.
But
the
fact
is.
We
have
to
be
very
careful
that
there's
no
queue-jumping
which
I
said
in
the
beginning
and
that
there
isn't
a
take
of
development
charges
that
really
it's
not
in
the
lineup
to
have
at
that
point.
A
So
we
know
where
those
things
are
being
spent,
but
clearly
an
opportunity
for
councillor,
Wilkinson
or
whomever
is
the
counsellor
of
the
day
when
that
happens,
to
have
a
place.
That
is
in
the
park
so
that
it's
not
being
used
for
something
else.
An
opportunity
missed
is
basically
what
mr.
Jenny
is
talking
about.
A
If
you
miss
the
opportunity,
you
will
never
have
it,
and
this
is
just
preserving
the
opportunity
and
if
you
can,
but
it
should
not
be
dependent
on
building
the
park,
has
to
have
the
Fieldhouse
or
the
funding
has
to
be
tied
to
it
and
that's
what
I?
That's
what
I
hope
that
mr.
mark
will
come
up
with
well
good?
It
would
even
you
can
well
then
go
and
talk
to
him
because
we're
on
the
table
and
we're
going
to
go
with
that
consent
agenda.
A
Okay,
so
the
table
that
again
so
item
number
two
is
the
highway
name.
Change
application,
Nortel,
drive-in
bar
Haven
to
city
gate
drive.
Is
that
Carrie
okay
and
then
we
have
the
development
charge.
Complaint
300,
green
Bank,
Road,
there's
a
request
that
we
defer
that
to
the
August
23rd
meeting
and
if
you
have
any
questions,
maybe
a
talk
to.
A
A
A
Okay,
we
have
one
speaker
here:
Paul
Hicks,
from
Fulton
representing
Mattamy.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
on
this
item?
You
do
Joe
after
you
want
to
hold
it
then.
Well,
then,
how
you
gonna
say
sure
we
run
it.
Mr.
Hicks,
where
are
you?
Okay?
Okay,
hang
on
a
second
we're
going
to
have
a
comment
from
councillor
hubely
thank.
B
You,
madam
chair,
for
your
indulgence,
I'm
about
to
put
on
the
record
that
I'm
not
but
staff
the
developer
in
the
councillor
there's
some
traffic
issues
that
come
up
in
the
public
meeting
that
we
are
going
to
make
an
adjustment
to
castle
Frank
Road
to
address
it's
not
here
in
the
motion,
but
we'll
pick
it
up
in
the
detailed
planning
piece
of
the
the
work,
and
that
involves
both
number
four
and
number
six.
It's
the
houses
involved
in
poll.
So,
if
that's
okay
manager,
sure
thank
you.
A
The
motion
to
move
it
tomorrow,
it's
a
technical
amendment.
Yes
right,
okay,
hang
on
a
second,
so
mr.
Hicks!
If
the
committee
is
willing
to
carry
this
item,
do
you
still
need
to
speak?
Okay?
Fine,
so
we
have
a
technical.
We
have
a
technical
error
that
was
on
the
original
report
requiring
this
report.
The
councillor
Kadri
thank.
A
A
B
You
very
much
madam
chair
and
I
do
want
to
thank
counselor
Hughley
for
the
concerns
that
he's
raised
about
the
traffic
flow
at
this
intersection
when
in
when
this
gets
connected
to
a
castle.
Thank
both
councilor
hubely
and
some
of
the
staff
we've
had
discussions
on
this
traffic
issue
and
we
will
worked
together
to
resolve
the
traffic
concern
that
constabies
expressed.
A
There
was
a
four-week
delay,
and
so
it's
at
a
time
and
we
wanted
to
assist
with
the
sales
office
which
is
ready
to
go
and
having
it
allowed
to
be
constructed
so
normally
because
we're
dealing
with
it
today,
it
would
have
been
on
August
the
31st,
but
councilor
Kadri
has
a
motion
to
to
move
that
to
Council
tomorrow,
which
will
deal
with
right
after
we
care.
The
item.
Is
the
item
carried
okay?
Now
your
motion
to
to
move
it
to
Council
tomorrow.
Thank.
B
You
again,
madam
chair
in
the
game.
That's
therefore
be
resolved
at
report.
The
ACS
2016
zero
one,
two
one:
zoning
bylaw
amendment,
950,
Terry,
Fox,
Drive
and
part
of
unaddressed
parcel
to
the
north
proceed
to
City
Council
on
July,
13th
2016
and
be
it
further
resolved
that
there'd
be
no
further
notice
pursuant
to
section
3417
of
the
Planning
Act.
Thank.
A
So
the
next
item
is
318
Lisgar
Street
zoning
bylaw
amendments
recommending
council
approve
an
amendment
to
zoning
bylaw,
2008
254
318,
the
history
to
rezone
the
entire
property
to
permit
an
office
use
and
to
amend
the
vehicle
parking
provisions
as
detailed
and
document
two
we
do
have
Stephanie
Morris
is
here
she's
a
planner
with
Holstrom
consultants.
Hang
on
a
second.
A
A
A
G
A
A
We
know
we're,
we
haven't
been
yet
that's
right,
so
we
shouldn't
have
repeats
and
we
definitely
should
go
to
Lidl
Goulburn
probably
see
a
few
barns.
Okay,
then
you
read
whether
something
permanent
signs
on
property,
private
property
by
law
review
is
item
number
nine
and
we
do
have
a
speaker
so
we're
holding
that
number.
Ten.
The
status
update
planning
committee
in
craz
emotions
for
the
period
ending
30th
of
June
2016
is
that
item
received.
A
E
H
A
A
I
F
A
G
G
So
it's
not
on
the
screen,
counselor
business
but
yeah
I
think
I
get
the
gist
mr.
mark.
If
your
version,
though,
is
approved,
are
we
not
effectively
approving
in
advance
a
major
capital
grant
application?
We're
saying
we'll
give
you
the
money
as
long
as
you
always
have
we're
saying
that
today,
as
opposed
to
six
or
seven
or
eight
or
ten
years
from
now,
who
knows
if
the
major
capital
program
will
even
exist,
then
madam.
G
The
fact
that
the
budget
that
there
may
not
be
a
budget
for
the
fieldhouse
because
it
speaks
to
when
the
product
is
constructed,
the
funds
aren't
identified,
and
then
it
speaks
account
being
addressed
at
a
later
date
and
it
being
addressed
a
later
date
may
mean
that
the
funding
is
in
approach.
So
I
would
not
read
the
motion
as
approving
funding
for
the
fieldhouse
in
advance.
A
Anyway,
honestly
I
gotta
say
this
is
embarrassing.
Okay,
it's
very
embarrassing.
We're
not
clearly-
and
you
think
you
spoke
to
it
at
the
beginning
when
you
said,
if
we
had
these
motions
ahead
of
time,
there's
a
lot
staff
problem.
This
is
AG
like
a
coordination
problem
and
I,
don't
like
flying
by
the
seat
of
our
pants
okay.
So
we're
just
going
to
take
a
five-minute
recess.
A
Okay,
so
everybody
anybody
wants
to
go
and
and
have
a
sip
of
water
or
take
a
walk
around
the
hallway
there
we're
going
to
come
back
we're
going
to
have
everything
right
before
it's
the
right
stuff:
stability
on
the
screen-
that's
no
fault
at
all,
to
miss
doofen
a
here
and
there
stuff
or
to
anybody.
Okay.
But
this
is
a
big
item.
We've
worked
on
it
for
three
years.
It
could
mean
that
there'll
be
more
questions,
so
the
three
of
you
just
stay
there
and
relax.
J
A
A
G
Yeah
I
guess
the
larger
concern,
certainly
for
a
growth
area
like
mine,
is
that
we
have
not
reviewed
our
long-term
plan
for
building
community
facilities
and
rec
facilities
in
my
above
12
years
or
so,
and
in
that
time
thousands
of
Hector's
of
new
land
have
been
brought
into
the
urban
boundary
and
as
I
understand
it,
there
is
no
plan
beyond
the
next
rec
center.
There
really
is
no
plan
as
to
what
should
come
next,
where
it
should
go.
G
We've
had
development
inside
the
core
as
well,
and
there's
probably
need
in
that
part
of
the
city,
and
so
my
concern
with
establishing
these
without
any
kind
of
funding
criteria
is
that
they'll
be
elevated
to
the
top
of
that
list.
Whenever
that
new
version
of
that
plan
comes
about
and
I
expect,
we'll
have
to
get
into
that
fairly
soon.
Otherwise,
we're
not
going
to
be
able
to
collect
development
charges
for
them,
and
so
I
appreciate
the
efforts
that
have
gone
into
adjusting
the
motion.
G
A
So
that
would
be-
and
we
think
it's
next
year
that
that's
coming
forward-
it's
long
overdue
for
sure
I
mean
we've.
You
know,
if
there's
an
area
that
we
have
not
folk,
we
have
not
had
the
time
spent
since
amalgamation.
It's
certainly
that
Parks
and
Recreation.
With
regard
to
what
we're
talking
about
right,
that's
information
that
we
need
to
have,
so
are
you
going
to?
Would
you
recommend
that
that
be
a
friendly?
If.
A
Emotion,
emotion,
which
would
be
this
is
the
motion.
These
are
the
criteria,
but
when
we
review
the
facilities
plan,
the
master
plan
with
Parks
and
Rec
and
2017
or
whatever
it
is,
it's
been
this
term
that
that
consideration
be
given
there
and
then,
at
that
time,
that
they'll
do
the
due
diligence
on.
Is
there
a
need
for
this
Fieldhouse
with
it?
You
know,
is
it
a
price?
Should
it
be
a
priority?
Is
there
a
need
in
the
general
area?
Is
it
can
be
satisfied
another
way,
so
we
would
go
with
this
motion.
G
E
A
A
With
what
he
just
put
on
the
floor,
which
is
the
and
that
all
of
these
rules
have
been
in
place
with
regard
to
this
one
location
in
this
one
field
house
in
this
one
place
that
it
be
part
of
the
consideration
of
the
facility's
master
plan
which
is
being
updated,
I,
don't
think
we
can
put
more
more
conditions
on
it
than
now
to
Varian.
It
might
mean
that
councillor
Wilkinson
is
once
again
going
with
a
local
improvement
charge
or
something
like
that.
A
D
D
D
A
D
A
E
A
Wilkinson
he
puts
the
call
to
vote
on
this
motion.
Okay,
so
on
the
motion
which
is
about
this
Park
in
the
future
of
sports
feels
likely
to
have
the
ability
to
have
a
field
house
on
site
when
it
becomes
affordable
through
very
strict
ways,
and
that
this
proposal
be
conditional
on
the
facility's
master
plan
review.
That's
the
only
new
part.
That's
been
added
to
it.
We're
calling
the
vote.
That
means
we
don't
discuss
it
anymore
for.
I
A
A
A
G
D
I
A
A
A
A
B
Like
to
say
something,
if
I
may,
because
I
think
it
need
to
be
said,
we
worked
on
this
for
three
years
with
a
group
of
volunteered
in
our
community
and
I.
Think
that
we
have
press
not
to
recognize
that
effort.
The
open
that
hands
their
houses
to
to
have
us
meeting
in
their
homes,
and
we
had
nineteen
Nathan
and
I
can
tell
you
their
tendency
was
almost
full
at
a
time.
B
I,
don't
think
too
many
F
of
committee
member
reception
from
all
those
Nathan
and
to
communicate
in
the
last
minute
is
a
heartbreaking
to
see
how
we
dealt
with
it.
But
I
just
won't
go
on
record
the
committee.
We
work
with
the
staff
and
even
the
developer,
who
had
never
back
working
with
us.
They
did
a
tremendous
job
and
that
should
go
on
record.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
A
A
F
A
A
B
C
Yeah,
we
clarified
a
little
bit
familiar
comments
that
were
made
the
there's
a
study
right
here
as
a
2009
study
that
was
conducted
by
the
planning
department,
our
transportation
branch,
with
significant
input
from
OC
Transpo.
But
they
were
the
lead
on
that
study,
which
was
then
fed
into
the
TMP
and
the
OPA.
D
D
D
They
didn't
have
enough
money,
because,
if
not
enough
money
in
the
park
budgets
to
actually
do
everything
that
you
really
need
to
do
for
a
community,
especially
an
isolated
community
and
we're
fundraising
for
a
splash
pad,
but
we
put
the
location
in
the
plan,
so
we
could
do
it
afterwards
and
that's
exactly
what
is
trying
to
do
here.
The
actual
process.
I
was
an
incredibly
difficult
and
complicated
process.
It
didn't
seem
that
when
we
started,
but
when
you
start,
we
have
three
stew,
a
queue
lot
develop,
it's
the
nation
to
it.
D
We
have
people
paid
surcharges
because
they're
backed
onto
farmland
that
we're
backing
onto
it.
We
have
creeks
to
it.
We
have
a
major
road
right
through
the
middle
of
it,
which
sort
of
breaks
limbs
like
the
Queen's
way
effectively,
and
so
that
and
we
have
forced
roads
which
are
very
narrow
and
at
the
old
car
parade
which
have
very
serious
implications
if
a
lot
of
traffic
starts
going
on,
and
so
they
I
want
to
say
that
the
community
members
of
the
group
we're
particularly
good
and
bringing
forward
ideas.
D
They
really
put
a
lot
of
effort
into
it
very
smart,
bright
people
that
came
forward
to
it
keep
up
the
huge
amount
of
their
time,
because
we
had
a
lot
of
meetings
to
do
that
and
the
staff
that
worked
on
it,
both
Wendy
from
standing
and
Amory,
and
his
staff
from
the
consulting
office
they're
very
open
to
having
additional
meetings
then
went
to
be
those
homes.
They
usually
actually
status
as
well,
which
is
always
nice
at
a
meeting.
D
But
they
every
fund
that
we
were
able
to
resolve
most
of
the
very
thorny
issues
of
how
you,
when
you
have
an
area
this,
because
I
designate
at
will
and
now
it's
urban.
How
do
you
make
that
adjustment?
And
it's
so
that's
why
it
took
so
much
time
and
the
servicing
is
complicated
as
well
and
I?
Think
that's
come
out
with
the
clock
meets
most
of
those
objections.
D
There's
still
a
few
things
that
people
would
like
to
have
seen
if
you
can't
see
that
that
happens
in
every
planet,
so
I
want
to
commend
them
for
doing
that.
I
thank
the
Planning
Committee.
For
forgiving
with
that
it
is,
we
found
it
was
complicated
because
I
kept
changing.
That
I'll
tell
you
over
the
three
years,
I've
kept
changing
too
I'm,
not
sure
what
you
end
up
with
that
plan
number.
F
D
A
F
A
E
Choice
and
conduction
be
resolved
at
the
original
report.
Recommend
recommendations
be
deleted
and
replaced
with
the
following.
That
planning
committee
recommends
two
counts
of
one
approved:
the
kanata
north
community
design
plan,
the
transportation
master
plan,
the
environment
management
plan
and
the
master
servicing
plan,
which
are
dated
June
28
2016
and
was
submitted
under
a
separate
cover
and
to
approve
Official
Plan.
Amendment
number
of
the
City
of
Ottawa
official
plan
dated
June
24th
2016
to
implement
the
community
design
plan.
A
E
A
E
A
A
Pointing
now
to
application
to
alter
Somerset
house
at
350
to
Somerset
straight
through
the
removal
of
the
to
easterly
Bay's
and
the
portion
of
the
third
Bay
to
be
determined
through
further
analysis
on
the
North
facade.
Now,
coincidentally,
this
item
was
before
built
heritage
subcommittee
yesterday,
which
it's
rare
when
the
two
are
bumped
up
so
closely
against
each
other.
A
A
Okay,
did
you
want
to
do
any
introductory
comments
like
sharing
this
phone
and
then
I'm
going
to
just
so?
You
know
I'm
going
to
go
to
all
of
you.
If
you
have
any
questions
before
the
delegation
I
know,
that's
not
the
way
we
usually
do
it,
but
that's
what
we're
gonna
do
today.
I
can
do
that
too,
but
I'm
going
to
actually
actually
asking
counselor
and
news
farm
to
do
that
in
his
role
as
the
chair
Thank.
G
G
The
essence
is:
is
that
because
of
to
engineering
reports,
the
north
wall,
so
a
section
of
the
of
the
sort
of
second
structure,
the
more
easterly
structure
that
north
wall
is
going
to
have
to
be
demolished.
If
the
committee
and
council
approved
the
request
for
a
heritage
permit,
as
well
as
the
fourth
day
of
the
original
three-story
structure
and
now
one
thing
just
to
note,
madam
chair
is
as
a
result
of
an
amendment
that
came
from
the
vice-chair
yesterday,
which
the
committee
supported.
G
There
are
a
few
additional
conditions
that
are
attached
to
the
staff
report
before
us,
essentially
to
ensure
that
the
owner
records,
particularly
the
fourth
day
of
that
existing
structure,
that
the
owner
stores
the
material
as
its
demolished,
if
council
approves
the
heritage
permit
and
that
every
attempt
be
made
to
reconstruct
that
fourth
day
of
the
rate
of
the
original
house
using
those
same
materials.
So
that's
the
gist
of
the
amended
motion
which
is
before
planning
committee
today,
maybe
I'll.
Stop
there.
G
A
K
K
Just
quickly,
then,
this
is
a
building,
that's
continuing
within
the
contained
within
the
center
town,
Heritage
Conservation
District,
at
the
corner
of
Somerset
in
Bank
streets.
It
was
constructed
in
two
phases,
this
the
portion
facing
Bay
Street
in
the
turn
of
the
century,
the
18th
century
and
the
portion
to
the
rear,
which
is
of
what
we're
talking
about
today
about
ten
years
later
it
the
currently
of
the
building
is
unoccupied.
It
has
been
since
it
collapsed
as
a
result
of
a
construction
mishap.
K
In
the
ten
years
ago,
the
large
portion
of
the
building
was
demolished
and
pieces
of
it
were.
The
real
part
which
is
we're
discussing
today,
has
been
held
up
by
a
steel
frame.
Since
that
time,
then
you
can
see
the
steel
frame.
So
the
what
we're
talking
about
today
for
removal
as
the
councillor
so
helpfully
pointed
out,
is
I
can't
make
this
work.
Oh
there
we
go,
is
the
demolition
of
this
portion
and
and
perhaps
what
we
are
calling
a
controlled
demolition
of
this
portion,
depending
on
its
condition
and
the
rebuilding
of
this
again.
K
These
pictures
were
taken
on
Saturday,
so
it
is
the
most
recent
again.
It's
designated
under
the
Heritage
Act.
The
application
is
to
remove
a
piece
of
the
north
wall
again.
Every
one
of
the
recommendations
in
front
of
you
today
is
conditional
upon
the
concurrence
of
the
chief
building
official,
because
the
process
leading
to
the
issuance
of
a
permit
for
the
demolition
of
those
walls
is
going
to
be
complicated.
So
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
working
together
and
that
it
is
actually
safe
and
possible
to
move
the
sections
again
more
pictures.
K
K
K
With
as
much
of
the
Heritage
character
of
the
building
as
possible,
conserve
their
the
base.
Street
facade,
it
continues
to
be
in
fair
condition.
Their
husband
restoration
work
undertaken
there,
and
that
will
continue.
So
again.
The
long-term
goal
going
forward
is
to
have
this
building
back
again
as
a
vital
part
of
the
Heritage
Conservation
District.
Thank
you.
A
A
It
sensible
so
this
is
your
the
heritage
coordinator.
That's
your
official
role
and
Matthew
Graham
and
Frank,
but
in
Matthew,
is
manager
of
inspections
and
Frank
is
our
acting
chief
building
officer,
okay.
So
these
are
the
people
that
are
going
to
answer
your
questions
and
we
will
have.
We
have
two
speakers
on
this
item,
but,
first
of
all,
if
you
have
any
questions
at
a
high
level,
just
quick
questions
and
then
any
other
questions,
obviously
that
you
want
to
interject
when
and
when
the
delegations
are
speaking
counselor
Croce.
G
K
The
purpose
of
the
construction
mandate
that
was
the
beginning
of
the
restoration
of
the
projects
when,
when
that
work
was
undertaken,
it
was
to
begin
to
adapt
and
reuse
the
project
and,
and
then
there
there
was
a
mishap
and
work
without
permits
and
that's
what
caused
the
building
to
collapse.
So
there.
K
After
the
collapse,
the
building
was
stabilized.
The
frame
that
you
see
in
this
picture
was
installed
and
then,
subsequent
to
that,
there
were
two.
There
have
been
recently
two
building
permits
issued,
one
for
foundation,
work
and
one
to
to
do
a
facade
restoration
which
that
was
commenced
and
has
and
has
been
partially
completed,
and
in
2013
there
was
an
application
to
do
a
lodge
addition
to
the
rear
of
the
building
and
that
heritage
permit
was
issued
by
City
Council
to
do
that,
but
that
permit
was
not
acted
upon.
Okay,.
G
K
I
This
building
has
basically
sat
vacant
and
deteriorated
for
nine
years.
I
have
eyesores
in
my
ward
as
well
and
I'm
told
as
long
as
there
is
continuous
work.
That's
not
between
prolonged
periods
of
non
work
that
there's
actually
progress
going
on.
The
bylaw
will
not
take
action
against
that
property.
So
I'm
trying
struggling
to
understand
how
we've
permitted
this
to
happen
for
nine
years.
I
don't
see.
I
You
know
that
you
had
mentioned
the
permit
being
issued
in
2013
that
there
may
have
been
some
evidence
that
they
were
ready
to
move
forward,
but
because
nothing
has
happened
for
nine
years.
We're
now
at
a
point
where
the
building,
the
foundation
and
walls
can't
be
saved,
and
so
I'm
struggling
understand
how
the
City
of
Ottawa
permits
this
to
happen.
G
We're
not
empowered
to
make
work
happen,
I
mean
that
they
apply
for
permit
and
they
they're
doing
work
and
that's
moving
ahead.
That's
one
thing:
there's
the
power
of
the
order
to
remedy
unsafe
buildings,
so
we
make
sure
that
there's
enough
work
done
in
order
to
maintain
public
safety,
but
it's
it's
the
deal.
The
building
is
owned
by
tks
holdings
and
they're,
the
ones
that
have
to
execute
the
work.
So
the
powers
in
the
building
codes,
nuances.
G
I
It
just
there's
a
madam
chair
item.
Five
of
the
motion
talks
about
or
possible
the
app
will
be
required
to
clean
and
store
brick
stone
elements
decorative
metal.
How
do
we
enforce
that?
How
do
we
ensure
that
actually
gets
done
so
I
miss
pretty
your
question.
He
just
part
of
the
motion
talks
about
that.
The
existing
materials,
if
there
are
salvageable,
will
be
reused
for
the
permanent
build.
How
do
you,
how
do
I
make
sure
that
the
cities
I'm
monitoring
that
to
make
sure
they
are
preserving
brick,
metal.
G
Not
be
part
of
the
process
will
complement
from
the
engineers.
We're
gonna
ask
them
to
provide
us
with
a
process
and
a
mechanism
of
how
they
plan
to
retain,
keep
and
store
some
some
of
those
those
materials
or
they're,
going
to
store
them
on-site
like
the
front
part
of
the
building,
is
in
fact
heated.
So
if
they've
got
room
that
can
store
them
in
there,
but
we
haven't
come
to
terms
with
that
yet,
but
certainly
that
is
part
of
the
part
of
the
process.
A
It
might
be
a
good
time
to
Frank.
To
you
know,
talk
about.
We've
talked
about
having
a
report
come
back
further
to
our
discussion
today
towards
the
end
of
September
likely
miss
Frank.
You
know
we
was
asked
you
know.
Do
you
think
that
we
have
the
tools?
Do
we
have
to
go
to
the
province
to
lobby
the
province
to
have
more
tools?
Frank?
Did
you
want
to
speak
to
that.
G
G
I
think
there
needs
to
be
also
maybe
some
further
investigation,
as
as
mentioned
like
about
my
chair
harder
regarding
the
ability
through
using
a
maybe
a
planning
mechanism
need
to
investigate
that
a
little
bit
further.
These
are
some
ideas
that
we
currently
are
holding
and
we
would
like
to
investigate-
and
the
idea
here
is
that,
through
a
planning
application,
there's
an
opportunity
to
potentially
old
to
potentially
have
securities,
not
sure
yet
would
like.
It
would
like
to
feel
this
one
out
so.
A
A
What
that
looks
like
what
we
can
do
so
there's
a
legal
process.
That's
going
to
have
to
be
involved
and
if
we
can
be
ready,
I've
tasked
them
with
by
the
end
of
September
I.
Think
that's
reasonable
if
they
have
just
wait
till
October
we'll
wait
for
that,
but
I
we're
going
to
have
something.
That's
much
a
tighter
tighter
to
the
best
of
our
abilities
and
usually,
and
probably
some
financial
pressures
as
well.
That
will
likely
change
will
be
our
best
shot
at
change
for
sure.
A
Okay,
but
I'm
I'm,
satisfied
when
staff
say
that
this
is
not
something
we
can
shove
to
the
province
or
for
legislative
changes,
because
we
just
need
to
understand
what
our
rights
are
and
then
we
have
to
coordinate
internally.
So
it's
a
good
time
to
be
doing
that.
Anybody
at
council
reaper
and
then
we're
going
to
go
to
our
first
delegation,
who
is
Maurice
Quinn
I've.
G
In
condition
five
or
recommendation
five,
it
uses
that
really
subjective
term,
where
possible
so
impose
as
a
terminal
condition
and
set
approvals
that
were
possible.
The
application
applicant
to
be
required
to
clean,
install
bricks,
etc,
whose
determination
is
that
as
to
whether
it's
possible
or
not?
Is
that
our
interpretation
or
is
that
a
discussion
between
the
developer
and
ourselves.
K
Madam
chair,
that
recommendation
five
is
augmented
by
ten
that
was
passed
yesterday
at
the
Belotero
subcommittee,
because
it
says
that
matching
new
materials
of
do
necessary
through
peer
review
by
an
independent
qualified
heritage
consultant
so
on.
Basically
that
the
the
idea
is
is
that
certainly
the
brick
might
all
be
in
bad
condition
and
that
it
won't
be
the
oil
and
it
won't
be
heritage
staff
because
we're
not
experts,
it
would
be
an
independent
person
who
will
say
that,
yes,
this
can
be,
can
be
reused,
etc.
G
Intent
was,
this
would
be
done
by
the
City
of
Ottawa.
One
of
the
discussion
points
is.
We
would
want
the
payment
for
the
services
of
that
person
to
be
charged
back
to
the
owner
of
that
property
and
that's
something
we
still
need
to
work
out,
but
the
idea
is
to
remove
the
decision-making
from
the
owner
of
the
property
and
have
someone
who's
independent
from
them.
G
Making
the
decision
so
we'll
have
this
mechanism
in
place
of
an
independent
expert
who
is
intended
to
be
paid
for
by
the
the
applicant,
but
we
haven't
got
that
nailed
down
yet
well.
If
you
look
at
section
9,
so
the
idea
is
that
the
chief
building
inspector
mentioned
securities
and,
while
we've
put
into
this
motion
that
the
security
needs
to
be
paid
as
determined
by
the
staff
to
ensure
the
preservation
of
original
materials
retained
from
the
demolition
and
I
think
that
the
hope
would
be
that
from
that
security
or
bond,
that's
that's
paid.
G
Any
additional
costs.
Ie
inspecting
the
brick
to
see
if
it
can
be
reused,
could
possibly
be
paid
out
of
that
security.
Should
we
be
nailing
that
down
today?
Before
passing
honest?
No
there's
a
huge
amount,
I
mean
I.
Imagine
an
independent
expert
might
cost
us
20,
K
or
something
by
the
time.
This
is
done,
but.
J
So
effectively
I'm
here,
because
Sally
suggested
that
I
be
here.
For
you
we'll
ask
questions,
and
yesterday
we
had
a
number
of
questions
or
points
that
came
up
from
the
counselors.
That
I
thought
would
be
best
to
clarify,
so
I
can
either
speak
to
those
or,
if
you
have
questions
right
away,
I
can
take
those
first
I
think.
A
J
Yesterday,
there
were
five
points
that
were
raised
that
we
never
really
addressed
effectively.
There
were
some
concerns
raised
that
the
owner
may
not
intend
to
restore
this
building.
I
can
assure
the
councillors
that
he
is
indeed
looking
to
restore
the
building.
He's
done
a
very
good
job
of
restoring
other
heritage
buildings
I
think
there
were
people
here
yesterday
from
heritage
Ottawa.
Who
would
agree
with
that
statement?
I
shouldn't
speak
for
them,
but
a
number
of
structures,
including
one
he
recently
did
on
Gladstone
in
very,
very
good
condition.
J
The
protection
of
the
structure
that
was
afforded
I,
don't
believe
the
owner
understood
how
Cooley
what
was
in
place
was
protecting
his
structure.
It
was
not
in
his
technical
ability
to
understand
that.
We've
only
been
on
the
case
since
about
January,
and
we
very
quickly
saw
that
it
was
insufficient
to
defend
the
structure
from
the
elements,
but
we
hadn't
actually
a
very
good
appreciation
for
just
how
bad
things
were
so
much
more.
J
Recently,
city
staff
are
to
be
commended
for
how
quickly
they've
helped
us
out
how
they've
responded
to
this
situation
and
really
being
the
the
longer.
The
short
of
the
question
of
the
situation
is
that
this
structure,
given
the
permits
right
now,
if
we
carry
out
the
work
that
is
before
the
committee,
we
shouldn't
see
continuing
deterioration
once
we
enclose
this
in
an
effective
building
envelope,
protect
it
and
heat
it.
Whether
it's
pretty
built
this
year
or
next
I
mean
the
the
owner
is
very
much
wanting
to
do.
J
Work
this
summer,
there's
a
bit
of
a
misunderstanding
as
to
how
long
it
takes
to
get
going
with
all
the
required
permits.
But
his
intention
is
to
have
this
reconstructive
in
short
order,
in
fact
we're
the
meeting
on
Thursday
talking
about
getting
our
structure
set,
ready
to
protect
or
to
support
the
architectural
set,
to
which
point.
J
Madam
chair,
the
only
reason
the
work
that
was
permitted
in
2013
didn't
go
ahead
was
that
there
was
never
the
production
of
a
structural
set
which
could
support
the
architectural
set,
so
the
Heritage
permit
is
issued
against
an
architectural
picture
of
what
the
owner
wants
to
achieve.
But
you
can't
build
from
a
simple
architectural
set.
You
have
to
have
both
architectural
and
structural
sets,
as
well
as
supporting
mechanical
and
civil
and
landscaping.
There
are
other
allied
professionals
involved,
but
fundamentally
the
issuing
of
a
heritage
permit
does
not
then
give
the
only
the
ability
he
wants.
J
A
G
G
J
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I
can
tell
you
that
we
are
working
now,
as
we
speak
on
a
structural
set,
supporting
the
architectural
set
that
everyone,
including
members
of
the
public,
have
very
much
liked
from
2013,
and
we
hope
to
move
forward
with
that
in
short
order.
It
would
be
a
matter
of
getting
those
plans
into
the
city,
reviewed
and
out.
One
of
our
recommendations
we
were
making
in
our
report
was
that
there
be
an
accelerated
process
of
review
and
I
think
that
the
city
staff
are
on
board
for
that
type
of
thing.
J
We
we
very
much
want
this
project
to
complete
I
think
you
can
appreciate
that
the
owner
has
no
intention
of
turning
this
into
a
parking
lot.
It's
much
more
valuable
to
them
as
a
finished
heritage,
structure
and
I.
Believe
it
to
be
a
point
of
pride
for
the
owner
to
restore
this
building
to
its
honest
glory,
he
very
much
wants
to
do
so.
Well,.
A
J
You,
madam
chair
effectively.
What
occurred
was
that
the
previous
structural
engineering
firm
completed
a
set
of
products
in
support
of
the
architect
to
a
certain
point
and
then
demanded
a
change.
There
were
two
conflicting
reports
from
geotechnical
engineers
and,
as
a
result,
this
sort
of
confusing
inputs
into
the
system
then
created
a
situation
where
there
was
a
professional
dispute
as
to
how
to
go
forward.
J
I,
I
suppose
it'd
be
probably
a
bit
too
much
information
if
I
get
into
great
deal
of
detail,
but
think
about
it
in
terms
of
a
dispute
as
to
how
best
to
rebuild
the
structure
and
the
architect
had
completed
their
drawings.
To
the
point
where
you
could
construct
architectural
II
from
those
drawings
and
resisted
the
changes
that
the
structural
engineer
at
the
time
was
requesting
I'd
even
say
so
far
as
to
demand
and
as
a
result,
the
owner
was
faced
with
the
architect
saying.
J
If
I'm
going
to
redesign
this
you're
going
to
pay
me
and
the
structural
engineer,
saying
I've,
given
you
66%
drawings
and
now
I
am
told
by
my
geotech
colleague
that
I
can't
continue
with
what
I've.
Given
you
I
have
to
change
gears
to
something
else.
He
wants
more
money.
The
architect
wants
more
money,
it
sort
of
dwindled
into
a
dispute.
One
of
the
reasons
why
we've
been
bowing
board
by
the
owner
is
that
we
actually
agree
with
the
original
set.
K
K
No
again,
but
of
course
that's
just
the
Heritage
permit
all
the
building
permits
under
the
Building
Code
act,
in
such
words
as
well,
and
it
probably
at
that
point
site
plan
and
other
planning
applications
have
to
go
ahead
but
again,
I
think
there's
the
commitment
to
getting
all
the
permits
in
place.
So
this
project
can
be
underway
as
soon
as
possible.
Yeah.
A
G
J
Sir
sir,
madam
chair,
that's
actually
again
a
level
of
sort
of
detail,
the
architectural
enclosure
of
a
structure,
the
protection
of
the
structure,
ultimately
against
wind
rain
and
other
deleterious
elements
that
is
architectural
and
you
do
build
those
types
of
elements
directly
from
an
architectural
set,
a
a
company
who
specializes
in
building
envelope
work
or
flashing
roofers
those
people
work
from
architectural
sets,
but
the
substance
of
a
structure
which
is
missing,
walls
and
footings
and
beams
and
foundations.
The
first
thing
you
do
is
build
from
the
structural
set
footings.
J
Columns
tie
beams
floor
systems,
walls
all
of
those
details
come
from
the
structural
set,
which
was
missing
so
well,
it's
true
to
say
and
I
didn't
mean
to
misspeak
in
a
way
that
would
be
confusing.
But
it's
true
to
say
that
you
could
build
from
the
architectural
set
the
owner
had,
but
you
can't
build
from
that
set
those
details
which
come
from
architectural
sets
until
you
have
the
structural
set
and
complete
the
work
from
that
structural
set
electrical
and
mechanical
things
can
go
afterwards,
but
structure
comes
before
architecture
and
that's
because
of
the.
H
J
G
You
spoke
of
proof,
dispute,
professional
disagreement
from
an
engineering
point
of
view
and
you've
just
come
on
in
January
and
have
had
those
and
use.
You
indicated
a
certain
level
of
comfort
with
the
with
the
state
you'll
be
able
to
build
from
the
the
structural
sets
that
you
have
or
you've
adjusted
them
to
your.
Madam.
J
J
There
were,
let's
call
them
court
responses
based
on
his
opinion
of
the
owner,
and
we
weren't
able
to
do
so,
but
we've
replaced
what
we
needed
to
replace
in
order
to
proce
progress,
this
site,
to
the
point
where
it
would
be
safe
for
the
public
to
be
adjacent
to
the
structure,
and
we
are
actively
working
to
replace
the
structural
sets
which
previously
existed
with
our
own
structural
design
in
support
of
a
pre-existing
architectural
that
everybody
likes.
So
the
architect
really
is
the
lead
in
these
sorts
of
situations.
J
An
architect
decides
how
large
the
space
will
be,
how
many
stairs,
how
many
toilets,
how
much
public
space,
how
much
confined
space
all
of
those
things
are,
are
sort
of
pre-screened
and
proportioned
by
an
architect
after
that,
a
structural
engineer
takes,
and
ideally
what
you
want
from
the
architect
is
a
completed
set
in
many
ways.
What
we're
getting
is
a
Cadillac
problem
for
a
structural
engineer.
We
have
an
architect
who
is
giving
us
a
complete
set
of
finished
drawings,
who's
telling
me
everywhere.
Everything
has
to
be,
and
I
can
work
from
that.
J
That's
a
beautiful
thing
for
a
structural
engineer,
because,
most
of
the
time,
our
fees
and
our
efforts
get
swallowed
by
people
moving
walls,
one
or
two
feet.
They
don't
have
an
understanding
or
an
appreciation
that
by
moving
the
oil
two
feet
for
a
structural
engineer,
you've
changed
everything
and
I
have
to
go
back
and
redo.
All
of
my
work
that
shouldn't
happen
here.
J
We
should
be
able
to
produce
our
structural
set
quickly
to
a
known
standard
set
by
a
very
reputed
architect
and
produce
a
design
which
should
go
quickly
through
the
city
and
then
go
ideally
quickly
to
construction
and,
if
I
may
add
the
struck
construction
in
this
country,
people
jokingly
say
we
have
winter
and
construction
in
many
ways.
That's
quite
true,
but
it's
not
true
of
a
site
like
this,
where
we
have
to
be
continuously
heating
with
salamanders.
J
A
A
Okay,
we
absolutely
get
what
that
decision
of
taking
down
that
wall
with
structure
bearing
wall,
excetra,
etc
from
tiny
houses
to
old
mansions
of
their
renovating
it's
an
interesting
I
was
in
your
your
comments
were
very
interesting,
so
thank
you,
I
think
we
had
that's
it
for
questions,
and
but
we
have
ISM
so
councillor.
Brockington
does
have
a
question
of
staff
and
while
he
is
asking
that
allows
mr.
genes
to
come
forward,
who
is
the
president
of
Heritage
Ottawa.
I
Just
so
I
can
sleep
at
night.
Could
staff
please
clarify
what
safety
precautions
are
being
taken
to
ensure
the
building
doesn't
fall
down
on
anyone
walking
by
on
the
sidewalk?
If
the
building
is
in
such
poor
shape
and
it
has
to
be
torn
then
because
of
the
shape
it's
in?
What
are
we
doing
to
ensure
that
I
mean
is
this?
Is
the
south-facing
sidewalk
closed
right
now
to
pedestrians?
I
G
City
services
go
out
last
week
or
two
weeks
ago,
analogous
and
closed
down
the
sidewalk
to
restrict
public
access
along
that
side
as
part
of
the
process
for
moving
forward
on
the
demolition
that
that
side
of
the
street
will
be
hoarded
right
up
to
the
sidewalk
during
the
construction
phase
and
then
at
completion
of
construction
phase.
The
site
left
over
the
the
open,
excavation
behind
will
be
hoarded
and
the
sidewalk
will
be
reopened.
So
is
the
most.
G
H
You
sure
we
had
a
long
discussion
that
the
subcommittee
yesterday,
many
of
my
heritage,
Ottawa
colleagues,
were
in
the
audience
supporting
me
because
we've
been
involved
with
this
building
over
the
whole
history
since
2008
and
before
we
regretted
the
loss
of
an
important
part
of
the
East
portion
of
the
building
in
2008.
We
regret
the
total
loss
that
you're
going
to
approve
today
of
that
part
of
the
building,
and
we
deeply
regret
that
we
are
now
losing
part
of
the
original
1899
building.
H
We've
had
many
examples
of
what
we
called
the
mission
by
neglect.
You
know
very
well
the
situation
of
our
ladies
school
at
the
corner
of
Murray
and
Cumberland,
which
became
not
only
the
loss
of
most
of
a
heritage
structure,
but
also
a
public
safety
hazard
requiring
the
total
closure
of
the
sidewalk
there,
and
until
that
could
be
completely
stabilized
back
in
2008.
H
This
building
was
stabilized
and
was
safe,
but
today
we
are
facing
a
safety
issue
where
further
deterioration
of
the
supported
wall
and
deterioration
of
part
of
the
wall
that
didn't
require
support
back
in
2008
has
now
led
to
a
public
safety
issue.
The
problem
here
is
that
the
property
standards
by
law
that
was
passed
by
council
in
2013
has
heritage
clauses
which
are
designed
to
prevent
this
sort
of
thing
happening,
designed
to
make
sure
heritage.
H
Buildings
that
are
vacant
or
damaged
are
properly
secured
against
damage
from
the
elements,
and
that
was
not
done
in
this
case.
I
will
I'm
not
going
to
speak
to
persons
in
in
this
case,
but
I
always
say
that
in
2013
we
were
very
pleased
with
the
development
proposal
which
this
committee
approved
with.
We
thought
that
it
was
good.
It
reused
as
much
as
possible
of
what
had
been
preserved
in
from
2008
and
it
respected
the
1899
design
of
the
building
yet
producing
a
useful,
modern
reuse
of
the
structure.
H
We
still
hope
to
see
that,
but
we
do
feel
that
we've
had
too
many
cases
of
demotion
by
neglect
and
that
council
must
ensure
that
the
bylaw
that
it
passed
in
2013
is
observed
and
and
is
applied
in
these
cases.
We've
had
many
other
such
cases
7,
Clarence
Street,
which
you're
aware
of
which
is
in
a
very
bad
state
right
now
has
been
demolished
and
yet
there's
even
more
damage
that
has
has
appeared
in
in
the
NCC
moving
to
reconstruct
that
building
110
to
116
sparc
Street.
H
This
is
going
back
a
few
years
where
none
of
the
brickwork
could
be
saved
and
what
had
to
be
resorted
to
was
the
creation
of
a
replica
facade
with
completely
new
bricks
and
the
overlays
store
facade
will
only
in
the
end,
only
about
25%
of
the
original
facade
was
able
to
be
saved
and
reconstructed,
reusing
bricks
from
the
much
larger
roles
that
were
demolished
there.
So
so
we
feel
from
a
heritage
point
of
view.
The
the
property
standards
by
law
is
not
being
applied
and
that's
a
serious
problem
in
this.
H
A
Thank
you,
mr.
genes,
and
earlier
on,
when
we
came
to
this
item,
you
heard
the
conversation
about
staff
believing
that
they
have
enough
legislative
approval
that
they
need
to
coordinate
better
within.
You
must
be
pleased,
then,
with
that
that
they're
going
to
come
back
in
the
fall
with
with
further
details
on
how
to
do
that
from
a
legal
perspective
from
other
pressures
we
can
apply
perhaps
with
securities
and
that
sort
of
thing
looking
at
our
planning
process
so
making
it
far
more
holistic,
and
so
I
would
think
that
that
must
please
you
to
hear
that.
A
A
E
E
According
to
the
plans
developed
in
the
construction
with
the
application,
ere
to
staff
and
chief
building
official
is
part
of
the
process
leading
to
the
issuance
of
the
building.
Permit
number
3
approve
the
demolition
of
the
three
East
Bay's
of
the
structural
old
general
accordance
with
the
plans
received
on
June
9
2016,
conditional
upon
the
concurrence
of
the
chief
building
officer
in
the
gusts
and
methods
being
followed
in
the
demolition
number
for
approval
approved
a
stabilization
of
the
north
and
east
foundations
of
the
structure.
E
In
accordance
with
the
plans
received
on
June
9
2016
conditioned
upon
the
concurrence
of
the
chief
building
office
official
regarding
the
methods
followed
by
the
execution
of
the
proposed
stabilization
number
5
imposes
eternal
and
conditions
on
fools.
Where
possible,
the
applicant
would
be
required
to
clean
store
bricks,
store
a
stone
elements
and
decorative
a
decorative,
a
metal
that
may
be
used
elsewhere
in
the
repair
and
restoration
of
the
ring
number
six
delegated
authority
number
six.