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Planning Committee meeting – August 27, 2020 – Audio Stream
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Is
that,
like
a
dot
matrix
printer
jan,
it
is
a
it
is
a
portable
printer
jeff
and
it's
awesome.
It
sounds
like
a
tractor
feed
dot.
Matrix
like
I
was
printing.
My
theses
often
show
you
watch
this
now.
Can
you
see
it?
Oh
that's
cute
yeah.
It
works
really
well
nice
yeah
and
that's
all
I
care
about.
I
mean
as
long
as
it
works
right,
but
between
the
rain
pouring
outside
and
I
had
to
close
the
window.
So
you
couldn't
hear
that
too
much
and
but
anyway,
it's
it's
almost
like
old
days.
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Thirteen
fourteen
and
fifteen-
and
it
teaches
us
to
take
those
couple
of
weeks
off
they
folks
on
today's
agenda
for
the
items
just
mentioned.
Only
those
who
make
oral
submissions
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendments
are
adopted
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
local
planning
appeal
tribunal.
In
addition,
the
applicant
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
local
planning
appeal
tribunal.
If
council
does
not
adopt
an
amendment
within
90
days
of
receipt
of.
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A
And
always
in
finding
a
solution
and
also
in
having
it,
even
though,
even
if
it's
on
the
phone,
you
can
tell
that
he's
got
a
can
do
attitude
a
smile
on
his
face
in
person
or
on
the
phone,
that's
just
the
kind
of
guy
he
is
and
we're
gonna
miss
him
over
the
last
several
years.
I
know
that
chair
el
cha
al-shantiri
talked
at
the
council
meeting
about
about
the
valuable
work
that
he's
done
with
all
of
the
the
tornadoes
and
the.
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Retirement
and
I
and
I
thought
that
the
letter
expressed
his
best,
my
thoughts
about
frank
and
what
he's
contributed
to
the
city
over
his
long
career.
So
I
want
to
take
a
minute-
it's
very
short,
but
I
want
to
take
a
minute.
Just
read
the
letter
into
the
record
for
frank
and
acknowledge
frank
for
his
incredible
work,
and
so
the
letter
goes
before
your
last
day
this
week.
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An
amazing
person
he's
going
to
be
sorely
missed,
but
the
one
thing
I
will
say
what
frank
has
done
is
created
a
very
strong
team
in
his
department,
and
we
have
some
very
strong
people
that
are
going
to
step
in
and
carry
on
the
the
culture
and
the
and
the
model
can
just
get
it
done.
That
frank
has
always
had
for
his
whole
tenure.
So
frank,
all
the
best
from
me
and
all
your
fellow
staff.
A
When
I
see
frank
and
if
you
can,
if
you're
looking
at
your
gallery,
you
could
there
he
is
he's
waving
and
kind
of
waving.
Besides
steve
thanks
very
much
steve
kay,
that
was,
it
was
very
good.
Now
we're
gonna
go
to
steve,
willis
steve.
I
see
people
behind
you.
They
should
come
into
the
room
as
long
as
they're
the
right
distance.
A
Thank
you
chair.
We
are
trying
to
observe
social
distancing
here,
but
I
will
say
who's
in
the
room
with
me.
So
frank
is
beside
me.
I'm
really
pleased
that
frank's
wife
monique
is
here
to
help
us
celebrate
today
and
john
buck.
Our
new
chief
building
official
is
actually
in
the
hallway
behind
me.
You
might
see
him
behind
so
we're
here
to
recognize,
as
well
as
many
parts
of
our
departmental
leadership
team.
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But
I
have
some
really
important
things
to
say
and
I
really
appreciate
the
chair
giving
me
the
opportunity
to
do
this
in
my
steve.
Can
you
speak
to
the
mic
closer
to
the
mic?
Steve
can
speak
closer
to
the
mic.
Please
thank
you
counselor.
I
hope
this
is
better.
So
in
my
entire
career
I
have
met
very
few
people
who
treat
public
service.
The
way
frank
does
and
his
view
of
public
service
is
incredibly
genuine.
He
believes
in
providing
service.
He
believes.
Q
K
During
the
pandemic
and
I'll
come
back
to
that,
all
of
the
other
chief
building
officials
in
ontario
were
calling
him
for
advice
on
how
to
do
it.
And
you
know
frank,
and
I
had
a
moment
together.
Last
night,
we
had
a
bit
of
a
conversation,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
in
march,
when
everything
was
unknown
about
this
pandemic
and
we
were
trying
to
as
a
department
figure
out
what
we
were.
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A
Of
what
he
pulled
off
during
that
time
period
now
frank
should
be
proud
of
what
he's
lived
through
in
his
time
period
he's
been
at
the
core
of
city
building,
but
I'm
going
to
tell
you
two
very
specific
examples
of
city
building
that
you
know
his
work
is
a
little
bit
behind
the
scenes.
It's
not
in
front
of
council
but
I'll
tell
you
two
things
that
I
think
are
important
achievements,
so
our
menu
of
federal
buildings
in
ottawa
are
extremely
complicated
and
they're
in
an
era
of
massive
renewal.
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A
A
The
pandemic
allowed,
so
I
want
to
wish
him
all
the
best
on
a
well-earned
and
deserved
retirement
and
extend
my
wishes
from
the
entire
department
and
your
team
and
to
your
family
on
your
retirement,
and
we
have
a
gift
for
you
and
I
will
show
I'll
show
it
closer
to
the
camera
with
charmaine's
help.
It's
a
very
significant
gift,
it's
relevant
to
what
I
just
had
to
say,
and
I
want
to
thank
counselor
george
derose.
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Had
a
lot
of
really
good
mentors
that
have
helped
me
along
the
way,
but
I'll
be
honest,
I
couldn't
have
done
anything
that
you
know
I
could
have
done
here
without
the
support
of
a
lot
of
people
committee
and
counselors
senior
management,
and
it's
and
all
my
staff
who've
been
incredible
people
along
the
way.
I
I
look
back
and
I
see
all
the
the
great
people
that
we've
had
working
with
us.
More
importantly,
I.
I
Take
pride
in
the
fact
that
a
lot
of
those
people
are
working
with
us
right
now,
I
had
a
hand
in
hiring
and
involved
in
their
career
development
as
well
so
yeah.
These
are.
These
are
really
interesting
times
coming
up
for
the
city
right
now
and
I
you
know,
I've
enjoyed
the
my
time,
but
I'm
looking
forward
to
seeing
what
the
city
has
to
bear
in
the
in
the
next
few
years.
It's
really
a
transformational
opportunity
and
I
wish
everyone
the
best,
but
more
importantly,
thank
you.
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R
Affecting
lands
both
within
and
or
beyond,
the
mature
neighborhood
overlay
are
being
proposed,
and
whereas
staff
in
zoning
and
intensification
have
recirculated
the
revised
bylaw
and
report,
therefore
be
it
resolved.
That
planning
committee
approved
that
the
item
be
deferred
to
the
september
24
2020
planning
committee
meeting
okay,
so
we
don't
have
any
speakers
on
that,
because
they
would
be
able
to
speak
to
deferral.
Only
so
on
deferral
is.
Is
this
carried
carried
any
any
descents
nope
so
that
one
will
come
back
to
us
on
september?
24Th.
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Item
number:
two:
is
the
r4
zoning
review
phase
two?
We
have
another
deferral
motion
on
that
from
vice
chair
gower.
Would
you
like
to
introduce
that
please?
I
will
thank
you,
whereas
the
report
details
the
second
phase
of
the
r4
zoning
review
and
recommends
changes
to
enable
the
development
of
more
infill
low
rise
apartment
buildings
and
stack
dwellings
in
existing
r4
zoned
areas
in
the
inner
urban
wards
and
whereas
in
recognition
of
the
length
of
the
report
and
the
summer
vacation
schedules
of
stakeholders,
therefore
be
it
resolved.
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I
have
if
they've
all
checked
in
or
whomever
is
here
just
so
that
they
can.
They
can
say
that
so
charles
tom
baer,
chair
of
development
or
carl
tom,
I'm
not
sure,
review
committee
of
the
manor
park
community
association.
Are
you
on
the
line
good
morning?
Yes,
I
am,
and
you
understand
that
we
are
moving
deferral
until
the
next
meeting
of
planning
committee
I
do,
and-
and
so
you
don't
need
to
speak
to
that
you're,
I'm
okay
with
deferral,
so
I
will
speak
on
september.
10Th
and
we'll
see
you
then.
Thank
you.
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A
Okay,
the
next
item
that
we
have
is
the
temporary
zoning
amendment
to
permit
schools
kobit
19
reopening.
This
is
the
one
that
we
dealt
with
at
council
so
that
if
the
schools
needed
help
in
getting
new
space
or
adding
portables
whatever
they
needed,
that
might
need
a
a
zoning
change
of
some
kind
on
a
temporary
basis
that
we
would
do
our
best
to
facilitate
that.
So
this
does
anyone
need
to
speak
to
this
item.
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A
K
The
planning
committee
recommend
to
council
that
the
details
recommended
zoning
document
2
be
amended
as
follows:
modify
clause
1c
to
read
area
c
from
dr
to
r3y
xxx5
instead
of
r3y2317,
add
an
additional
clause
after
current
clause,
5
for
a
new
exception,
xx5
to
section
239
urban
exceptions,
which
is
to
match
exception
2317,
except
where
an
attached
garage
access
is
a
public
street
by
means
of
a
driveway
that
crosses
a
sidewalk.
The
attached
garage
must
be
set
back
at
least
5.8
meters
from
the
nearest
edge
of
the
sidewalk
and
clause.
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A
I'd
like
to
thank
foten,
the
plenty
of
community
association
support
this
project,
but
had
certain
questions
and
the
reaction
time
related
to
bike
parking,
which
is
an
additional
22
going
in
the
pathway.
So
it's
not
a
labyrinth
to
get
in
there.
Thank
you,
miguel
and
the
floaten
team
and
personally
being
in
office
for
12
years,
the
triangle
intersection
getting
into
the
gloucester
mall.
Finally,
we
can
address
those
issues
of
walkability
around
there,
so
it's
all
good
news
and
we
continue
to
grow
in
the
east
end.
Thank
you,
good
job.
Miguel.
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Yes,
okay,
so
is
this
item
carried
everyone?
Okay,
thank
you.
Okay,
number,
10,
application
for
demolition,
a
347
gilmore
street,
an
alteration
of
278
and
280
o'connor
street
properties
located
in
the
centertown
heritage,
conservation
district.
Obviously,
in
council,
mckinney's,
board
designated
under
part
five
of
the
ontario
heritage
act,
and
we
also
the
next
one
is
the
official
plan
amendment
and
zoning
by
law,
amendment
278,
o'connor
street.
Well,
the
same
address.
A
I
don't
have
people
to
speak
to
it,
delegations
I
have
wow
five
people
that
will
speak
to
it
representing
the
applicant.
If
anyone
has
any
questions
so
on
the
application
for
demolition,
does
anyone
have
any
questions
or
counselor
mckinney?
Did
you
have
any
comments?
Yeah?
I
wouldn't
mind
making
comments
just
on
the
second,
not
on
the
heritage
application,
but
on
the
second,
okay,
so
on
the
heritage.
Application
is
to
those
of
you
that
are
here
representing
the
applicant.
A
Greg
migno
tony
kazarian,
robert
martin
and
david
blakely.
I
presume
that
none
of
you
need
to
speak
because
here
it
says,
if
needed,
I
just
have
to
affirm
that
you're
good.
If
we're
going
to
carry
this
item,
just
somebody
say
yes
or
no
hello.
Madam
chair,
yes,
we
appreciate
your
support.
Okay
was
that
kayla?
Yes,
it
was
thank
you
kayla,
okay,
so,
on
this
on
the
item
of
the
demolition,
is
it
carrie
jared?
A
A
A
It
here
that
I
don't
support
the
additional
height.
I
think
that
the
you
know
the
site
is
zoned
r4,
it's
a
transitional
site
and
you
know
it
is
meant
to
act
as
that
transition
and
it
happens
a
lot.
I
know
it,
you
know.
If
you
look
at
an
overall
picture,
sometimes
you
can.
You
know
you
look
like
one
block
over
and
you've
got
a
high
rise,
but
at
some
point
we
you
need
transition
from
residential
to
a
high
rise
in
that
in
the
downtown.
A
So
you
know
it
is
generally
surrounded
by
low-rise
buildings
to
the
south
and
the
east,
and
I
would
have
liked
to
have
seen
it
stay.
You
know
at
the
committed
four
stories.
I
think
that
what
could
have
worked
still
would
have
been
still
good.
You
know
gentle
intensification,
so
I
wanted
those
comments
on
on
the
record
that
I
won't
support
it
at
at
council.
A
K
If
we're
prepared
to
carry
it
kayla
representing
everyone,
you
don't
need
to
speak.
No,
madam
chair,
okay.
So
on
the
item,
the
official
plan
amendment
and
zoning
by
law,
amendment
for
o'connor
and
gilmore
street
is
it
carried?
Madam
sure,
there
is
a
technical
amendment.
Oh
go
sorry,
okay,
just
finding
it
here!
K
Okay!
So
it's
a
motion
to
clarify
the
report
number
and
content
of
document,
three,
the
details
of
recommended
zoning
I'll,
simplify
this
a
bit
if
I
can,
whereas
an
application
for
a
new
six-story,
mid-rise
apartment,
building,
apartment
dwelling
to
be
integrated
with
portions
of
two
existing
heritage.
K
Promotion,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
planning
committee
recommend
to
council
to
confirm
that
the
report
number
is
acs.
2020
p,
I
e
p
s
0
0,
8
3,
not
acs,
2019
p,
I
e
p
s
0
0,
8
3.
and
be
it
further
resolved
that
the
following
changes
were
made
to
2b
in
document
3..
I
won't
read
these
because
they
are
up
on
the
screen,
thank
you
and
for
the
resolve.
The
pursuant
to
the
planning
act,
subsection,
3417,
no
further
notice
be
given
awesome;
okay,
so
everyone
and
that's
the
last
one.
K
K
K
K
K
So
does
anyone
have
any
question
question
I
see
oh
hi
councilman
aaron,
oh
hi.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
on
this
one
that
which
is
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
at
1050
and
1060
bank
street
I'll?
Just
make
a
couple
comments?
If
that's
okay,
chair,
let
me
just
see
if
anybody
has
anything
to
say
anybody
have
anything
to
say:
no,
okay,
go
ahead!
K
Great
thanks!
Yes,
I
just
wanted
to
to
say
you
know.
I've
appreciated
working
with
with
these
folks
on
this
development.
The
community
has
been
brought
in
on
this.
This
is
the
type
of
example
that
we
need
to
see.
More
more
often,
mr
santagoda
made
the
the
initiative
to
bring
in
community
very
early
they've
adjusted
this
development
on
in
many.
K
In
many
cases,
there's
you
know
going
through
cmhc
as
well
for
affordable
housing,
but
also
contributing
to
our
ward,
17,
affordable
housing
fund
that
that
we've
got
started,
and
you
know
some
some
real
improvements
here,
so
we've
been
working
with
seniors
in
the
area
for
some
needed
rental.
This
is
going
above
the
zoning,
madam
chair,
so
right
now
it's
a
one
story:
it's
business,
there's
just
three
businesses
that
are
there.
K
This
is
going
up
six
stories,
business
on
the
bottom,
it's
zoned
for
four,
and
so
it's
certainly
an
amendment
and
in
my
community
you
know
that
that's
not
always
an
easy
thing
to
do,
but
this
is
the
example
of
how
you
do
it.
You
bring
people
in
early
talk
to
them,
make
it
make
amendments
and-
and
everyone
takes
some
water
in
their
wine.
So
I
just
appreciate
where
we've
been
on
this
one-
and
you
know
thank
the
community
and
and
the
developer
and
mr
santaguita,
for
you
know
who
owns
victoria
tutorial.
K
K
Are
you
comfortable
not
speaking
if
we're
prepared
to
carry
this
item?
Madam
chair,
I
simply
want
to
say
that
it
was
a
pleasure
working
with
the
councillor's
office.
The
stakeholders
staff
wrote
a
terrific
report.
They
got
it
right
and
we're
thrilled
and
hopefully
gain
your
support
and
counsel
to
adopt
the
bile
in
a
couple
weeks.
Thank
you
great.
Thank
you.
So,
on
this
item,
everyone,
it's
kerry,
terry.
Gary
thanks,
everybody.
K
K
A
Projected
growth
didn't
meet
demand,
so
I'm
just
trying
to
figure
out
from
staff
the
projections
that
they're
working
with
for
this
widening
project
to
be
funded
and
if
they
don't
have
an
answer
today,
that's
okay!
I
just
want
to
plant
it
and
get
an
answer
back
jerry
if
I
may
I'll
actually
respond
to
that
rather
than
mr
baker.
A
Thanks
go
ahead,
so
so
counselor
you're
raising
a
question
that
other
counselors
have
raised
on
other
road
segments
and
that
really
we
will
need
to
work
with
ms
chi
to
get
you
a
more
detailed
response.
So
if
you
don't
mind,
I
will
take
that
offline.
We
we
do
have
a.
We
would
normally
be
updating
the
the
tmp
projections
to
update
the
dc's
in
the
next
round
and
we're
working
on
an
interim
strategy
to
review
that.
Q
I
think
that
we're
going
to
hang
on
to
this
until
the
end
of
the
of
the
day,
because
is
the
situation
still
the
same,
mr
willis,
that
there
could
be
an
announcement
today
from
the
provincial
government
that
might
give
us
more
information
jared
there's
a
lot
of
uncertainty
about
the
timing
of
this.
I
I
know
mr
schrum
and
I
are
here
to
help
answer
any
questions.
I
think
probably
I've
discussed
this
matter
with
many.
K
We
only
have
rumors
chair.
We
don't
have
facts.
Would
the
rumor
benefit
us
putting
this
on
the
agenda
for
september
10th
chair?
I
think
the
report
stands
on
its
own.
It's
an
information
report
on
the
status
of
it
if
there
is
further
developments
on
the
release,
the
regulations,
mr
shroma
and
I
are
make
ourselves
available
to
brief
committee
at
the
next
meeting.
K
Q
Q
I
suppose
we
could
receive
it
and
ask
for
an
update
at
the
next
meeting.
Would
that
be
appropriate?
Madam
chair,
you
have
two
paths
open
to
you
a
it.
It
is
unusual
to
defer
an
information
report,
but
that's
option
number
one
and
then
option
number
two
and
I
think
it's
the
option
I
would
recommend
is
that
if
there
is
information
forthcoming,
it
could
be
added
to
the
agenda
by
two-thirds
vote.
B
Receive
this
item
and
and
with
the
understanding
that
we'll
bring
more
further
information
as
we
have
it
to
any
report
that
comes
forward,
we
pretty
much
do
that.
We
do
that
anyway.
So
is
it
it's
on
this
item
on
item
number
17,
the
briefing
on
planning
and
development
charges,
aspects
of
bill,
197,
coven,
19
economic
recovery
act-
is
that
received
received.
B
All
right
now,
I'm
still
seeing
the
cash
in
lieu,
but
I
think
that
we're
not
dealing
with
that
one
today,
even
if
somebody
wants
to
lift
it,
correct,
correct,
okay,
okay,
so
we're
going
to
go
back
to
the
beginning,
and
just
because
I
have
so
many
piles
of
paper
here.
I
just
want
to
confirm
the
ones
that
we've
held.
B
Q
B
E
A
P
K
400
albert
156
and
160
lion,
as
you
can
see,
it's
almost
an
entire
city
block
bound
by
albert
lyon,
bay
and
slater,
with
the
exception
of
the
northwest
corner
where
there's
existing
three-story
apartment
buildings.
So
it
is
in
the
central
area.
It's
also
located
one
block
south
of
the
lion
o
train
station
and
the
new
clearage
moon
development,
which
has
a
grocery
store
at
the
bottom
as
well.
Downtown
close
to
parliament
next
slide.
K
R
Some
design
concepts
that
are
being
worked
through
I'll
show
you
that
in
a
moment,
so
we've
got
one
tower
facing
albert
street
and
then
the
other
two
towers
on
slater
and
at
the
corner
of
line
next
slide,
please
so
the
development
I
just
wanted
to
include
this
slide.
The
development
is
when
you,
when
you
look
at
the
whole
development,
it
is
approximately
930
units
with
430
parking
spaces
down
below.
R
Another
thing
to
note
on
this
slide
is
the
garage
entrance
is
on
bay
street,
and
this
was
originally
an
issue
with
the
community
may
still
be
an
issue
with
the
community
or
concern.
But
they've
they've
done
a
really
good
job
at
redesigning
this
entrance
so
that
it's
recessed
and
pulled
back
from
the
street
so
that
vehicles
entering
and
exiting
don't
have
any
conflict
with
the
sidewalk
and
cycle
lane.
A
vehicle
can
pull
up
out
of
the
garage
sit
there
before
entering
that
infrastructure
and
have
clear
sight
lines
before
going
into
bay
street.
R
So
really
good
design
aspect
there,
and
then
you
see
the
really
great
opportunity
for
ground
floor
and
second
floor
retail
here
and
if
the
applicant
speaks
I'll,
get
them
to
confirm
the
uses.
But
there's
a
really
good
synergy
happening
here
with
the
moon
development
across
the
street,
delivering
a
grocery
store
into
this
neighborhood,
and
then
this
development
delivering
other
great
community
serving
uses
through
those
retail
spaces.
R
And
then
you
see
the
park
there
again
at
the
corner
of
albertan
slater
next
slide.
Please,
the
architecture
and
design
on
this
on
this
development
is
is
quite
remarkable.
It
was
very
well
received
by
the
planning
department
and
received
a
really
strong
support
from
our
urban
design
review
panel
as
well.
It's
a
really
unique
design
that
incorporates
some
curvilinear
designs.
As
looking
like
the
movie,
the
building
kind
of
moving
through
the
sky,
really
strong
materials.
R
You
can
see
at
the
podium
level
that
there's
a
range
of
different
heights
and
setbacks
and
the
the
building
kind
of
cascades
with
a
bunch
of
terraces,
as
as
it
gets
higher,
so
a
really
unique
design.
The
two
images
here
are
the
facades
you're,
seeing
from
the
albert
slide
and
I'll
go
to
the
next
slide.
Please,
and
then
these
are
the
images
of
the
building
from
the
slater
side.
R
It's
a
really
unique
and
different
look
for
ottawa
and
I
think
it's
a
great
example
of
the
type
of
quality
we're
looking
in
our
downtown
core,
as
well
as
in
our
design
priority
areas
next
slide,
please.
This
is
a
rendering
image
of
that
mid-block
connection.
So
it's
looking
from
the
slater
slide.
Things
to
note
is
that
this
space
is
going
to
be
flanked
by
the
retail
uses.
So
again,
some
good
opportunity
and
synergy
to
animate
that
space
make
it
a
really
strong
pedestrian
realm.
A
And
out
to
the
urban
park,
so
just
all
around
really
good
connectivity
through
this
site
and
public
realm
treatment
next
slide.
This
is
just
a
snapshot
of
some
of
the
design
concepts
for
the
urban
park
at
the
corner
of
albert
and
lyon.
This
will
go
through
a
separate
public
process,
but
the
the
applicant
has
really
started
to
develop
a
conversation
about
what
could
go
into
that
space
from
seating
street
trees.
A
Different
types
of
lighting,
day
and
night
time
use
to
really
animate
that
corner
and
make
it
a
strong
urban
park
that
the
city
will
end
up
owning
next
slide
and
then
just
a
couple
images
of
of
the
type
of
infrastructure
we're
looking
at
to
make
this
a
really
quality
public
space
and
work
well
with
the
development
next
slide.
I
lastly
want
to
touch
on
the
view
protection.
So
when
this
item
was
first
submitted,
the
tallest
tower
was
was
38
stories
and.
B
It
was
sort
of
threatening
going
above
our
our
viewplane
protection
policies.
We
worked
really
close
with
the
applicant
between
the
city
of
ottawa
and
the
national
capital
commission,
and
now
what
you
have
before
you
is
heights
that
are
reduced,
so
the
two
buildings-
and
I
should
say
that
this
this
site
is
uniquely
situated.
It's
in
the
background
area
of
our
height
control
policies,.
A
And
so
it's
going
to
work
very
well
and,
like
I
said,
the
site's
uniquely
situated,
but
this
type
of
thing
would
be
really
really
difficult
to
to
replicate.
So
there's
no
concern
here
about
a
precedent
setting
of
having
those
heights
and
it
works
well,
and
we
did
good
work
between
the
city
of
ottawa
and
ncc.
A
So,
madam
chair,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
think
it
speaks
volumes
that
a
development
of
this
nature
not
having
anyone
come
out
from
the
public
in
opposition
is
a
really
strong
point
and
we
look
forward
to
the
site
plan
process
on
this
one.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
and
I
think
you're
on
holiday.
So
thank.
J
J
J
Leaper
thanks
and
the
the
architecture
looks
great,
I'm
I'm
quite
jealous,
as
as
scott
street
evolves
a
little
more
blandly.
I'd
love
to
see.
You
know
this
sort
of
design,
not
just
in
the
downtown
core,
but
what
is
staff's
commitment
to
ensuring
that
we
achieve
that
quality
architecture
that
we're
being
shown
in
these
renderings,
the
the
icon
at
dao's
lake
was
going
to
be
a
more
distinctive
building.
It
is
less
so
in
its
final
form.
J
Madam
chair,
the
counselor
raises
an
excellent
question.
It's
a
good
opportunity
to
mention
that
I'm
quite
confident
this
is
the
design
you're.
Seeing
before
you
with
the
rezoning
is
what
will
transpire
in
the
site
plan
through
the
site
plan
application.
We
do
have
the
ability
to
strictly
tie
elevations
to
plans
going
back
to
pre-consult
staff
actually
raised
the
question
about.
How
are
you
going
to
deliver
this?
J
Council
leaper,
I
I
I
absolutely
would
be
interested
in
hearing
from
the
from
the
developer
on
on
that
front,
because
you
know
our
ability
to
regulate
architecture
is
somewhat
limited.
I
know
we
have
some
tools
through
site
plan,
but
it
is
one
of
the
one
of
the
justifications
for
the
much
greater
height
than
you
know.
Previous
zonings
might
have
allowed,
is
great
design
and
we're
making
a
a
really
important
effort
in
that
in
our
new
official
plan.
J
Great
public
realm
great
design
as
part
of
the
the
five
big
moves
that
we're
making
and
I
would
be
interested
in
hearing
what
the
developers
commitment
is
to
making
sure
that
the
architecture
turns
out
to
be
as
really
attractive
as
what
they're
showing
okay
emily
are
you
on
are.
Are
you
available
to
speak
to
that
question?
J
J
Good
morning,
good
morning,
madam
chair,
I
am
hi,
I'm
emily
rukhian.
I
am
the
director
of
develop
development
for
maine
and
maine.
Thank
you,
andrew
for
giving
such
a
great
overview
of
the
of
our
development
to
jump
right
into
councillor
leeper's
point.
I
just
want
to
highlight
one
of
the
holding
provisions
that
that
city
staff
is
recommending
through
our
through
our
zoning,
bylaw
and
I'll
I'll
read
it
specifically.
J
It
states
that
the
approved
elevations
confirming
the
curvilin,
curvy,
linear,
design
of
the
concept
buildings
and
a
series
of
setbacks
and
step
backs
above
the
podium.
So
just
to
echo
andrew's
point.
We
as
a
developer
are
extremely
committed
to
building
the
the
the
towers
that
you
see
in
front
of
you.
We've
done
before
we
embarked
on
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment.
We
spent
a
lot
of
time
with
our
architect
to
ensure
we
could
build
exactly
what
you're
seeing
and
I
do
know
a
lot
of
developers.
J
You
know
can
show
a
pretty
picture,
but
haven't
done
a
lot
of
the
background
work
and
I
can
assure
everybody
at
all
council
that
we
are
certainly
have
done
the
background
work
and
are
committed
to
building
to
building
the
building
that
you're
seeing
and
the
holding
provision
further
encumbers
us
to
do
so
so
that
should
provide.
I
hope,
the
clarity
that
you're
looking
for
counselor
leader,
okay,
and
I
am
encouraged
to
hear
that
you're.
H
H
Well:
okay,
when
we
get
to
psych
plan
and
things
like
that,
I'm
sure
that'll
be
taken
into
consideration,
but
that's
great
thanks,
counselor
kavanaugh
yeah!
Thank
you
wow!
This
brings
back
memories
because
I
was
on
the
board
for
for
alterna
savings,
and
I
remember
when
we
discussed
this
site
over
11
years
ago,
and
hopefully
I
was
hoping
it
was
going
to
be
the
library
just
curious
was
this:
was
this
site
owned
by
alterna?
Was
it?
Has
there
been
some
transfers
since
then?.
H
Madam
chair,
I
can
take
that
question.
There's
been
several
ownership
over
the
years.
I
brought
the
report
here.
I
can't
remember
a
few
years
back
and
it
was
on
behalf
of
alterna
broccolini
had
a
proposal
and
my
understanding
is
at
that
time
they
were
under
a
purchase
and
sale
agreement
and
then,
after
the
zoning
was
prove
they
abandoned
that
I
don't
know
if
broccolini
ever
picked
it
up
or
not.
H
H
So
maine
and
maine
is
now
the
owner,
but
there's
definitely
been
turnover
and
ownership
over
the
years,
and
thank
you
yes,
no.
I
just
remember
the
discussion
of
this
and
glad
that
something's
happening,
but
I
would
like
to
hear
from
the
local
counselor
and
see
if
make
sure
she's
she's
happy
with
it.
Thank
you
yeah.
I
don't
see
her
waving,
but
I
did
intend
to
ask
her
councillor.
Mckinney.
Do
you
have
anything
yeah
thanks,
chair
yeah,
you
know
what
I
I
have
to
say
this.
H
This
is
a
rare
occurrence
when
I
get
many
more
emails
asking
me
to
approve
something
than
you
know,
then
not
to
so
you
know
this
went
through
a
few
different
iterations.
The
architecture
was
always,
you
know
quite
impressive.
I
thank
councillor
leeper
for
his
questions.
We've
seen
it
happen
before
and,
and
you
know,
residents
are
rightfully
skeptical
when
they
see
a
rendering
and
then
they
see
what
you
know.
H
What
act
is
the
end
result
and
when
they
don't
add
up,
especially
you
know
in
in
very
tall
and
prominent
buildings
it
it
does.
You
know
it
does
make
residents
skeptical,
but
you
know,
I
think,
that
you
know
in
my
conversations
with
this
applicant
over
my
goodness.
I
think
it's
been
over
a
year.
You
know
they.
I
feel
that
they
are
committed
to
building
what
is
a
spectacular
building.
H
I
you
know
there
is
you
know
to
to
replace
essentially
a
parking
lot
right
now
with
these
three
buildings
is
an
exceptionally
good
use
of
the
site,
and
it
you
know,
provides
for
that.
Mixed
use
that
we
want
the
only
you
know
the
only
asterisk
that
I
keep
in
the
back
of
my
mind
is:
I
know
there
are
synergies
with
clearage
moon
and
clearance
moon.
It
has,
you
know,
committed
to
a
grocery
store.
This
is
a
serious
food
desert.
We're
putting
more
people
in.
T
T
That
you
know,
residents
in
the
surrounding
neighborhood
have
asked
me,
you
know
if
cleridge
moon
doesn't.
What
does
that
mean?
Is
there?
Is
there
some
ability
to
to
you
know,
locate
a
grocer
here,
so
you
know,
I
think
that
I
think
that
you
know,
given
the
the
food
desert
that
we're
we're
dealing
with.
That
is
a
legitimate
concern,
continue
to
watch
for
that.
To
date,
claire's
moon
is
still
committed
to
bringing
in
a
grocer,
but
no
this
is.
This
is
an
example
of
good
development.
T
It
is
intense,
is
what's
needed.
It's
what's
needed,
like
you
said
chair,
this
part
of
the
downtown
is,
is
evolving
those
folks
in
151
bay.
I
remember
having
a
meeting
with
them
three
years
ago,
because
I
said
you
know
what
you're
going
to
be
under
so
much
pressure
in
the
next
few
years.
We
just
knew
when
lrt
opened,
that
that
whole
area
was
going
to
be
under
this
type
of.
So
thank
you
to
to
the
applicants.
T
T
That's
so
good
to
hear
you
say
that
it
really
is.
I
mean
that's
why
we
have
the
that's.
Why
we're
having
a
presentation?
Today,
often
you
know
interest,
is
what
drives
a
presentation
you
know
in
the
in
delegations
that
sign
up
on
that,
but
not
always,
but
in
this
case
it
just
shows
what
can
happen,
and
it's
so
different.
I
think
than
what
we've
seen
it's
big
city
style.
T
It
really
is,
but
in
a
really
good
way
you
know
I
mean,
if
you
I
know,
you've
been
to
chicago
okay,
it's
got
that
kind
of
an
ambiance,
and
I
love
the
fact
that
there's
green
space,
that's
important
to
you,
and
I
mean
I.
I
know
that
you
struggle
to
to
get
it
wherever
you
can.
This
is
going
to
be
good.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you.
Everyone
emily
did.
You
need
to
speak
if
we're
prepared
to
carry
this
item.
T
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
No,
I'm
satisfied
with
emotion.
I
just
wanted
to
thank
counselor
mckenny's
office
and
planning
staff,
as
well
as
what
councilman
kenny
just
mentioned.
The
very
engaged
community
members
who
have
come
out
in
support
and
collaborate
with
us
to
get
us
to
this
point
so
excited
to
to
see
this
development
forward.
T
Thank
you
very
much.
So
everyone
on
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
for
388
and
400
albert
street
156
and
160
lion
street.
Is
it
carried
carrick?
Oh
wait.
I
didn't
have
a.
I
don't
have
a
technical
thing
to
do
right,
counselor,
gower,
vice
church
hour.
I
don't
think
so
good
because
I
saw
your
eyes
and
I
thought.
Oh,
my
god,
I
missed.
I
missed
it,
but
I
didn't
all
right.
So
it's
carrie
thanks
very
much
so
the
next
one
that
is
held
is
the
development
charge
complaint
at
130
britannia
road.
T
T
T
I
practiced
tax
litigation
in
the
department
of
justice
for
25
years
and
was
one
of
only
a
handful
of
lawyers
who
were
permitted
to
argue
before
the
supreme
court
of
canada,
and
I
had
many
cases
there.
Statutory
interpretation
was
a
big
part
of
what
I
did
and
this
case
is
100
statutory
interpretation.
T
Our
full
written
argument
is
document
2
of
the
report.
Our
view
is
that
the
city
made
two
mistakes.
First,
it
did
not
interpret
subsection
9-1
of
the
bylaw
correctly,
with
the
result
that
both
severed
lots
became
eligible
for
one
credit
and
I'll
deal
with
that
issue.
Second,
it
then
applied
a
first-come,
first-served
test
to
deny
the
credit
to
the
complainant
a
test
that
is
unlawful
because
it
is
not
set
out
in
the
bylaws.
The
province
requires
and
reese
will
be
dealing
with
that
issue.
T
T
T
A
T
H
A
A
P
And
one
house
to
be
built
no
increase
in
dwelling
units
precisely
the
situation,
the
91
credit
was
designed
for
the
city's
approach
failed
to
focus
on
the
site
as
91
directs
and
instead
focused
on
the
parent
parcel.
It
is
irrelevant
that
at
the
time
of
demolition,
there
was
only
one
parcel.
What
matters
is
whether
the
demolition
was
on
the
site
where
the
development
is
occurring
and
even
if
the
city
were
right
and
nine
one
applied
to
the
parcel,
then
both
lots
would
be
eligible
for
the
credit.
P
But
the
problem
with
the
city's
interpretation
is
that
there's
no
language
in
section
nine
to
decide
between
the
two.
If
we
have,
if
the
absence
of
language
meant
that
there
was
no
basis
in
the
bylaw
to
deny
the
credit
to
the
owner
of
136,
then
there
is
equally
no
basis
in
the
bylaw
to
deny
it
to
the
owner
of
130.
P
Yet
the
city
has
done
so,
and
we
are
left
with
the
anomalous
situation
that
the
city
granted
a
credit
to
site
136
that
had
an
increase
of
one
dwelling
unit
and
denied
the
credit
to
site
130
that
had
no
increase
in
dwelling
units.
Exactly
backwards
and
contrary
to
the
intention
of
the
bylaw,
my
son,
reese,
will
all
continue
this
with
dealing
with
the
first
come
first
serve
test.
Thank.
P
P
A
B
E
The
provincial
development
charges
act
clearly
specifies
in
section
5
and
6
that
a
municipality
must
develop
rules
to
determine
if
a
development
charge
is
payable
in
any
particular
case
and
to
determine
the
amount
of
the
charge
it
must
set
out
these
rules
in
a
by-law.
So
where
do
we
find
language
in
the
bylaw
to
support
a
first-come,
first-served
test?
We
don't.
There
is
no
such
rule
in
our
bylaws
to.
D
Support
a
first-come,
first-served
test
eligibility
is
determined
under
section
9-1
of
the
bylaws.
When
I
asked
city
staff
why
I
was
being
denied
the
credit,
they
told
me
that
it
was
policy
to
provide
the
credit
to
the
first
building
permit
issued.
I
asked
more
than
once
for
a
copy
of
this
policy
and
they
were
unable
to
provide
it
to
me
and
eventually
told
me
that
this
policy
isn't
even
written
down
in
any
case
calling
it
policy
does
not
make
it
a
lawful
use
of
power.
D
The
city
has
been
aware
of
our
position
for
over
two
months
now,
and
I
have
asked
mr
mark
for
an
explanation
as
to
why
they
consider
it
acceptable
to
deny
the
credit
to
130
on
the
basis
of
the
first
come
first
serve
rule
to
date.
No
explanation
has
been
forthcoming,
nor
have
they
even
attempted
to
answer
this
question
in
the
report
before
you.
The
city
needs
to
speak
up
and
provide
a
justification
for
using
a
rule
that
is
not
authorized
by
the
bylaw.
E
D
Requires
that
the
bylaw
provides
certainty,
the
rules
as
to
whether
a
development
charge
is
payable
and
the
amount
payable
must
apply.
In
any
particular
case,
a
resident
should
be
able
to
go
to
the
bylaw
and
determine
the
amount
of
the
development
charge
payable
on
his
or
her
prospective
site,
with
the
first.
E
E
A
property
it's
important
to
know
and
understand
how
these
credits
are
applied,
that
information
is
required
to
be
centered
in
the
bylaws
and
not
in
unwritten
unofficial
back
office
policies
at
city
hall.
How
are
residents
of
this
city
possibly
supposed
to
establish
a
value
if
it's
so
uncertain,
I'm
a
mortgage
broker
by
day,
and
I
have
many
clients
looking
to
purchase
property
and
build
build
homes
on
them.
E
A
Budget
should
be
affected
by
thirty
thousand
dollars
by
the
actions
of
their
neighbor.
According
to
the
city
under
91,
the
credit
belongs
to
the
mother
parcel.
How
would
this
interpretation
apply
if
there
was
a
severance
into
five
or
ten
or
a
hundred
lots
is
every
single
lot
there
eligible
for
the
development
credit.
One
minute
I
was
hoping
that
the
city's
report
to
this
very
committee
would
shed
some
light
on
how
they
justify
their
position
and
their
use
of
the
first
come
first
serve
policy.
To
deny
me
the
credit.
A
Q
Provided
in
respect
of
the
first
building
permit
issued
subsequent
to
the
demolition,
I
would
kindly
ask
that
you
request
the
staff
for
their
justification
and,
if
they
aren't
able
to
justify
their
position
within
the
confines
of
the
bylaw,
as
is
required
by
the
provincial
by
the
provincial
development
charges,
act
that
you
allow.
My
appeal
thanks
very
much.
D
Q
Why
is
that
important?
Well
as
residents,
it
was
that
experience
that
led
us
to
unknowingly
acquire
a
30,
000
development
charge
and
subsequently,
what
felt
like
fumbling
in
the
dark
to
come
before
you
today.
I'm
hoping
that
by
sharing
this
experience
with
you
as
direct
representatives
of
our
community,
that
this
kind
of
deliberation
will
prompt
new
insights
and
perhaps
test
assumptions
about
how
the
city
implements
its
policies.
D
For
it,
and
neither
was
reese
I'll
pause
here
to
let
you
know
that
the
seller
was
the
owner
of
both
lots
at
the
time,
and
it
was
also
her
firm
understanding
that
the
credit
belonged
solely
to
the
law.
We
were
purchasing
and
she
in
fact
used
that
as
part
of
her
real
estate
negotiations
with
us,
so
reece
called
the
city
and
spoke
with
a
building
department.
Official
at
first
she
told
us
the
credit
would
belong.
J
Either
lot
when
reece
asked,
how
is
this
possible
if
the
lots
had
separate
owners
and
the
demolished
building
was
only
on
our
site?
She
said
you're
right
that
doesn't
make
sense.
Let
me
consult
with
my
colleagues
and
I'll
get
back
to
you
when
she
called
us
back.
It
was
to
let
us
know
that
she
and
her
colleagues
all
agreed
that
the
policy
was,
for
the
credit
to
follow
the
land
that
accompanied
the
demolished
building
with
due
diligence
top
of
mind.
M
So
fast
forward
past
the
purchase
of
our
site
to
a
point
where
I'm
eight
months
pregnant
with
our
second
child,
and
I
happily
announced
teresa
that
we've
saved
fifteen
thousand
dollars
for
my
upcoming
maternity
leave.
This
safety
net
of
savings
was
to
help
recent
iowa.
We
built
our
new
home
and
I
wasn't
bringing
in
my
regular
income
that
sense
of
accomplishment
was
so
short-lived
when,
just
a
few
days
later,
we
discovered
that
the
city
expected
us
to
pay
a
30
000
charge.
We
had
not
budgeted
for,
we
were
devastated.
A
A
E
A
Legislation
to
be
set
out
clearly
and
in
their
entirety
in
the
bylaws,
even
though
the
city's
position
about
the
development
charge
was
disheartening,
to
say
the
least.
We
remained
optimistic
that
we
could
resolve
the
issue
without
exhausting
formal
proceedings
with
the
city,
such
as
we're
doing
right
now.
P
P
E
E
We're
asking
you
today
to
please
return
the
development
charge
levied
against
us
not
only
based
on
the
clear
legal
grounds
that
we've
presented,
but
also
on
the
compelling
moral
grounds.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
crystal
crystal.
Have
you
the
email
that
you
talked
about?
Have
you
submitted
that
as
part
of.
A
D
A
On
it,
is
it
just
says
that
our
conversation
that
we
had
over
the
phone
is
is
accurate?
Okay,
so
I
still
think
that
you
should
submit
that.
There's
probably
you
know
I'm
hearing
from
some
various
people
on
that
are
texting
me
on
on
the
planning
committee.
So
I'm
gonna
go.
We
do
have
a
few
speakers,
so
I
guess
all
three
of
you
are
in
the
same
room
and
you're
part
of
the
same
bubble.
Yeah
all
right.
A
A
Yes,
thank
you
and
I'm
sorry
to
hear
about
this
experience
and
when
I
heard
about
it
coming
to
planning
committee,
I
I
called
up
mr
mark
to
explain
it
to
me
because
I
didn't
understand
what
had
happened.
Frankly,
it's
for
a
lay
person,
it's
very
confusing
about
how
how
this
proceeded
it.
It's
it
seems
like
what
happened.
Is
that
it's
not
typical,
because
there
was
because
of
the
way
the
ownership
went.
D
M
I
think
that
this
deserves
a
little
more
time
and
that
we
need
to
look
at
this
again,
because
it's
unusual
in
the
sense
that
it
was
one
parcel
with
one
owner
and
then
divided
up
with
two
purchasers
and
in
in
typical
sense.
It's
usually
one
developer,
who
who
divides
up
a
property,
and
so
this
doesn't
come
up,
but
because
of
the
way
it
was
purchased
it.
It
did
come
up
and
only
one
got.
D
Q
Q
Be
clear
that
reading
the
report
this
is
the
original
property
was
130.
It
was
severed
into
130
and
136,
but
the
credit
for
the
development
charge
went
only
to
136
no
credit
whatsoever
for
for
130
and
we're
only
talking
about
30
000,
so
I'd
like
to
know
from
staff
why,
at
the
least
it
wouldn't
have
been
15
000
per
lot
stuck
with
the
property,
not
necessarily
with
the
property
owner.
Q
D
It
was
after
the
house
was
demolished
that
the
parcel
was
split
into
two
when
the
owner
of
136
came
to
the
city
for
a
request
for
a
building
permit
because
of
bylaw
governments,
and
because
there
was
no
language
in
the
bylaw
to
deny
that
person
the
credit
the
credit
had
to
be
extended
to
that
person,
because
that
is
what
results
from
the
language
of
the
bylaw.
There
was
only
one
credit
and
therefore
it
came
to
the
first
one
who
asked
for
it,
which
was
the
owner
of
136.,
there's
no
provision
in
the
bylaw.
D
D
B
A
M
J
A
B
A
A
To
the
applicant
for
the
building
permit
and
the
owner,
who
has
already
received
the
credit
they
they
are
done,
madam
chair,
that
we
do
not
have
any
ability
to
recover
those
funds
from
them.
So
it's
the
the
total
credit
then
amounts
to
sixty
thousand
dollars
that
the
city
applies.
One
is
the
thirty
thousand
to
the
owner
of
one
thirty
six,
and
one
is
thirty
thousand
the
owner
of
one
thirty.
Yes,
madame
jam,
okay,
my
second
question
is:
is
there
for
for
both
and
I'm
sorry
wendy?
A
A
I'll
let
mr
mark
speak
first,
yes,
so
I
I
did
not
go
looking
specifically
for
jurisprudence
on
this,
but,
as
committee
will
appreciate,
I
do
read
through
development
charge
cases
regularly
and
I
do
not
recall
this
instance
ever
coming
up
in
any
case
that
I
have
read
that
there
aren't
to
be
there.
Aren't
that
many
cases
with
respect
to
development,
church
credits-
and
I
don't
recall
one
on
this
matter-
okay,
ms
burnham.
N
Thank
you.
What
vice
chair
gower,
do
you
still
want
to
speak
well,
counselor,
leeper
pursued.
Some
of
the
questions
that
I
was
wondering
about
is,
I
suppose
I
think
it
may
be
wise
for
a
committee
to
direct
staff,
regardless
of
what
the
decision
is
here
on
whether
or
not
these
charges
should
be
refunded
or
credited.
N
I
think
it's
pretty
clear.
We
need
to
clarify
or
update
the
bylaws,
so
something
like
this
could
not
happen
again.
I'm
still
on
the
fence
as
to
what
the
right
thing
is
to
do
on
this
one.
I
think
we
should
direct
staff
to
at
least
do
a
review
of
this
bylaw
and
update
it
so
that
we
have
clarity
on
when
lots
are
centered
like
this
okay,
mr
mark,
can
you
take
that
direction
as
stated
by
councillor
gower,
or
do
you
need
something
formal?
N
N
N
No
all
right
so
oh
counselor
kavanaugh
kelsey
kavanaugh.
Yes,
I
just
want
to
thank
scott
councillor
moffat
for
removing
that.
I
think
this
is
the
right
thing
to
do.
Clearly
it
was
complicated
and
I
don't
think
people
should
have
to
have
a
lawyer
in
the
family
to
figure
this
out
and
and
do
all
this
research
on.
On
such
an
instance,
we
need
to
make
our
our
bylaws
a
little
clearer
and,
as
I've
said
before,
the
fact
that
we're
going
to
be
doing
more
of
this
with
infill.
N
N
I
I
truly
believe
that
staff
had
no
authority
to
achieve
what
was
being
asked
here
and
that
the
only
authority
lays
with
us,
and
we
must
make
this
decision,
so
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
this
motion
of
altering
the
report
recommendations
has
nothing
to
do
with
staff.
I
don't
believe
they
aired
in
any
way
good,
and
we
also
want
to
make
sure
that
there's
no
precedent
either
that
could
be
considered
in
the
future.
From
you
know,
someone
coming
in
and
saying:
well,
you
know
a
me
too
kind
of
a
thing.
N
It
sounds
like
it's.
A
very
unique
situation
and-
and
mr
mark
has
the
direction
from
you
that
he's
going
to
go
back
and
make
sure
that
this
is
all
clarified,
and
will
you
report
back
when
that
when,
when
you
have
done
that,
mr
mark
madam
chair?
Yes,
now
the
normal
opportunity
to
make
the
change
would
be
only
in
2024.
J
N
A
bylaw
amendment
comes
up
before
then
for
other
reasons.
Then
we
may
take
advantage
of
that
opportunity
to
revise
a
section
under
the
bylaw
manager.
Would
it
be
possible
to
put
some
clarification
into
the
bylaw
itself?
I
mean
without
revising
it.
It
just
would
be
a
clarification
even
as
a
help
for
staff,
because
you
know
with
all
the
development
that
I've
had
over
the
years
and
bar
haven
has
grown
like
crazy
and
everything
else
I
mean
my
greatest
wish
is
that
people
actually
take
the
time
to
ask
the
questions
of
city
hall.
N
They
don't
buy
the
dream
from
the
sales
office
of
the
person
that
tells
them
where
johnny's
going
to
ride
his
bike
and
where
susie's
going
to
you
know,
do
her
hair.
That's
often
what
happens
and
people
don't
follow
up.
I
mean
for
those
of
us
in
the
high
growth
area.
I'll
tell
you
I'm
sure
that
they'll
all
agree
that
you
hear
well.
When
I
went
to
the
sales
office,
they
told
me
this.
A
P
F
F
I'm
done.
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
so
car
vice
chair
gower.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
just
want
to
make
sure
how
much
understanding
if
we
accept
or
if
we
approve
counselor
moffitt's
motion,
we
would
be
the
city
would
be
refunding
thirty
thousand
five
hundred
forty
dollars
to
to
the
property
owners.
I
wanna
make
sure
I
understand
the
accounting
on
that.
Where
does
that
money
come
from?
Do
we
need
to
specify
anything
within
a
motion
to
have
certainty
as
to
where
that
that
credit
gets
paid
from?
F
F
F
If
staff
believe
that
working
within
the
confines
of
an
existing
bylaw,
an
injustice
was
being
made,
would
they
flag
that
in
their
report
to
the
committee
that
we
have
to
work
within
the
confines
of
a
bylaw,
but
we
believe
there
is
a
shortcoming
within
that
by-law
and
we
are
flagging
that
to
you,
and
I
asked
that
because
we're
we're
contemplating
two
things.
One
is
the
motion
that
counselor
moffat
has
on
the
table
now
which
talks
about
refunding
the
funds.
But
the
other
is
direction
that
counselor
gower's
just
made
that
says
hey.
F
We
need
to
clean
up
the
bylaw
itself,
so
my
question
really
is
is
if
we
believe
that
there's
a
there's,
an
issue
with
the
bylaw
and
mr
mark
wants
to
confirm
that.
Then
I'm
much
more
swayed
into
voting
in
favor
of
councillor
moffat's
motion.
But
if
the
bylaw
is
sound
and
that's
what
mr
mark
has
to
work
with,
then
I'm
likely
to
uphold
the
staff
recommendation
before
us.
So
I
just
like
mr
mark
to
comment.
F
Madam
chair,
it
occurs
to
me
that
the
two
items
can
both
be
true,
that
the
bylaw
can
be
sound
and,
in
my
opinion,
it
is
but
that
a
more
specific
approach
which
has
been
invited
by
councillor
gower,
would
be
in
order
and
so
committee
will
decide
what
it
wishes
to
decide.
But
in
my
opinion
the
bylaw
is
clear,
but
in
order
to
provide
more
specificity
with
inspect
with
respect
to
internets
or
credits,
can
that
be
done?
I
believe
it
can
and
is
something
that
staff
would
be
prepared
to
do.
F
F
F
F
F
F
Q
Q
F
A
F
A
A
A
I
I
Okay
is
richard
colvin
on
the
line
or
on
in
the
bubble?
Yes,
I
am
hello.
Is
this
richard?
Yes,
we're
going
to
go
ahead,
we'll
go
ahead
with
richard
before
jared,
then,
because
and
and
derek
will
get
your
mic
fixed
up.
So
you
have
five
minutes
richard
go
ahead,
please!
Okay,
thanks!
So
my
name
is
richard
coven,
I'm
the
owner
of
41
acacia,
which
is
adjacent
to
65
acacia
to
the
south
side.
I
So
thank
you
for
hearing
my
input,
so
I
have
some
strong
objections
to
the
request
to
rezone
65
acacia,
but
relate
to
the
setbacks
and
there's
kind
of
two
sets
of
concerns
or
comments.
One
relates
to
its
impact
on
the
neighborhood
and,
secondly,
impact
on
my
own
property.
41
acacia,
I'd
like
to
the
developer
did
hold
two
meetings
with
the
community
which
are
quite
well
attended.
I
He
did
make
some
modifications,
but
they're
relatively
minor
and
in
his
comments
to
the
report
our
counselor
willston
king
suggests
the
developer
has
addressed
all
of
the
key
areas
of
concern,
but
unfortunately
that
is
not
not
really
the
case.
So
talk
about
the
impact
from
the
neighborhood.
Obviously
I
live
in
the
neighborhood,
so
this
is
sort
of
related
to
me
as
well.
So
far,
67
households
have
written
letters
of.
M
M
I
Acacia
here
and
the
65
acacia
property,
so
it's
quite
an
unusual
topography.
It's
a
it's
a
steep
hill,
ascending
from
this
kind
of
flat,
plain
area,
and
then
it
crests
at
it's
basically
like
a
two
block
stretch
for
press
up
here.
So
this
is
quite
a
it's.
A
leafy
green
low-rise
neighborhood
lyndon
lee
on
one
side
of
acacia
and
rockcliff
on
the
other,
and
these
all
the
little
black
dots
all
sorry.
This
is
a
acacia
here.
I've.
A
E
Which
would
in
effect
be
five
stories
when
you're
looking
at
it
from
either
the
bottom
of
a
hill
going
up
or
on
the
street
facing
it.
It
has
ground
level
parking
and
then
four
stories
above
it.
So
if
it's
re-zoned
to
permit
reduced
setbacks,
it
would
really
be
as
massive
structure
compared
to
everything
surrounding
it.
A
very
large
structure
without
greenery
over
mature
trees
would
be
knocked
down.
E
So
it
would
really
like
stick
out
like
a
sort
of
sore
thumb
in
this
old,
mature
residential
low-rise,
green
neighborhood,
so
there's
kind
of
this
visual
effect
that
will
create
which
will
really
impact
the
feel
of
the
character
again
of
what
is
a
purely
residential
and
an
established
area.
Secondly,
I
guess,
because
of
the
hill
things
come
down
here,
very
fast
you're
going
to
have
underground
parking.
E
There's
some
safety
concerns
anyway,
that's
the
sort
of
the
a
big
chunk
of
concerns
have
to
do
with
simply
the
scale
of
this
project
if
the
rezoning
is
allowed.
Secondly,
across
the
street
is
is
rock
cliff,
which
is
a
heritage
neighborhoods,
and
it
won't
get
into
the
specifics
of
that.
It's
only
too
much
time
leaving
a
cycle
for
the
neighborhood
aspects.
In
case
of
my
own
car
property.
E
65
occasion,
sorry
41
acacia,
it's
on
a
very
narrow
lot,
so
it's
so
narrow
and
tight
that
there's
actually
a
bit
of
encroachment
onto
65
acacia
from
a
chimney
built
back
in
the
50s,
so
with
rezoning
to
provide
relief
on
the
side,
yard
setbacks.
I'd
have
a
very
big
building,
really
right
up
against
my
property
and
it
would
stick
out
at
the
back
it's
with
relief
again
at
the
back.
E
It
would
be
it
would
extend
beyond
at
the
back
and
the
front,
and
it
would
get
very
close,
and
I
have
a
window
on
that
side
too.
So
it's
a
potential
safety
kind
of
fire
issue.
Anyway,
that's
the
gist
of
it
not
opposed
to
developing
the
site.
It's
a
good
site
too.
It's
a
two
double
site,
but
it's
this
particular
project,
the
scale
the
and
the
impact
that
would
have
both
on
the
neighborhood
and
and
on
my
own
on
my
own
house.
E
E
No
sorry
that
must
have
been
left
over
from
the
last
one.
Okay.
Thank
you
well,
thank
you.
Mr
colvin
is
derek
crane
now
available.
Derek
are
you
there?
I
am
here.
Is
my
speaker
working
yes,
it
is.
We
can
hear
you
fine.
You
have
five
minutes,
sir
okay,
thank
you
and
I
appreciate
the
challenge
here.
I
should
introduce
myself
thank
you
counselors
briefly,
I'm
professional
architect
graduate
of
mcgill.
E
I
have
a
master's
degree
in
city
planning
and
the
second
master's
degree
in
urban
design,
for
the
university
of
california
berkeley
1973.
I
directed
new
communities
policy
for
the
old
ministry
of
state
urban
affairs
on
returning
to
ottawa.
I
practice
as
an
architect
for
about
45
years.
I
am
now
retired.
I
did
early
consulting
with
the
city
of
canada
and
undertook
the
first
comprehensive
financial
analysis
of
development
charges
out
in
that
area,
which
was
both
controversial
and
challenging.
E
A
Of
architects,
I
chaired
the
design
review
committee
of
the
city
of
ottawa
for
many
years,
for
was
a
member
over
the
1980s.
I
co-chaired
marion
doers
task
force
from
the
central
city
and
initiated
the
design
and
development
of
the
somerset
village
bia,
and
I
was
a
past
chairman
of
the
ottawa
board
of
trade.
B
B
Q
E
Proposed
development
or
be
granted
rezoning
changes
today,
that
would
only
serve
to
set
an
acceptable
precedent
and
do
irreparable
damage
to
a
mature
and
emblematic
auto
neighborhood
there's
an
opportunity.
Today,
though,
I
appreciate
listening
to
you
all
over
the
last
few
weeks,
a
very
difficult
one.
Q
A
The
second
is
a
failure
to
a
digress
address
the
escarpment
and
heritage
area
impacts
of
the
proposal
and
third,
there
is
a
broken
zoning
height
bylaw
in
this
area
that
needs
to
be
addressed
on
over
development.
Essentially
the
front
and
rear
yard
setbacks
should
not
be
reduced.
The
official
plan
makes
it
incumbent
upon
our
community
to
plan
to
develop.
A
With
care
and
forethought
as
to
scale
nature
and
character,
existing
community
staff,
discretion
and
waiver,
this
requirement
is
a
recognition
that
the
site
was
not
correctly
evaluated
for
building
setbacks.
This
would
include
especially
the
1.6
meter,
front
yard,
reduction
being
requested
and
the
0.8
meter
rear
yard.
The
prevalent
rear
yard
setbacks
in
the
neighborhood
just
happened
to
be
7.5
meters.
J
A
A
O
The
building
setback
and
building
heights
were
up
around
slide
image
20
to
23.
building
setbacks
must
be
realigned
the
streetscape
norms.
The
mandate
of
the
op
was
a
mandate
of
the
old,
the
the
old
design
committee
that
I
chaired
in
the
past
had
in
the
city
and
that's
an
important
one,
but
it
can
be
well
discharged
by
the
planning
staff
if
they
use
urban
design
as
an
important
part
of
their
work.
O
O
Shows
that
the
project
with
heritage
area
adjacency
cannot
be
viewed
in
isolation
up
to
slide
24.
Thank
you.
The
broken
zoning
bylaw
that
we
face
today
says
that
the
building
height
must
be
reduced
to
a
maximum
of
four
stories
above
the
sidewalk,
the
proposal
at
65
of
acacia
was
ignored
and
it
degrades
the
existence
of
the
significant
redo
terrorist
escarpment.
O
Sir.
I
have
to
stop
you
there
your
past
time,
but
I
I
think
that
I
think
that
perhaps
vice
chair
gower
might
have
some
questions
for
you.
I
understand
the
time
limit.
Madam
chair,
I
think
I
had
hoped
that
if
I,
my
mic
was
working
that
the
original
speaker,
richard
colvin,
would
waive
some
of
his
time
to
get
through
this
last
note.
O
O
Yes,
thank
you
on
on
the
I
was
just
thanking
the
presenters
for
their
for
their
time
have
certainly
received
correspondence
from
them
over
the
course
of
the
review.
This
application
on
the
points
that
we
heard
from
mr
crane
with
respect
to
over
the
development,
the
application
is
not
seeking
a
to
establish
the
principle
of
development,
low-rise
apartment
building
is,
is
permitted
in
the
independence
current
zoning
and
yet
we're
looking
at
minor
modifications
to
the
zoning
to
permit
this
form
of
development.
O
On
the
issue
of
the
broken
zonian
height,
similar
to
the
point
that
mr
colvin
raised,
this
is
a
characteristic
and
an
exaggeration
of
all
the
homes
on
on
that
north
side
of
acacia,
where
they
all
present
higher
than
what
they
are.
As
a
two-story
or
a
three-story
building,
I
I
don't
disagree
that
they
will
be
read
as
a
taller
building,
but
the
zoning
bylaw
regulates
height.
It
defines
how
we
calculate
that
height
and
and
the
permitted
building
is
within
that
permission,
specifically
with
respect
to
the
design
and
mr
colvin
next
door.
O
The
applicant
has
made
multiple
revisions
over
the
course
of
the
application.
The
the
pinch
point
for
lack
of
a
better
term
abutting.
The
chimney
has
been
revised
on
that
edge
to
be
fully
compliant
with
the
interior
side
yard
for
a
degree
of
that
edge
to
provide
provide
compliance,
and
that
was
in
a
result
to
address
that
concern
raised.
Thank
you.
O
A
Q
Q
O
If
this
was
a
required
assessment
as
part
of
this
application,
the
answer
received
was
no
as
well.
In
my
report.
I
respond
to
the
provincial
policy
statement
and
how
it
gives
direction
on
adjacency
and
when
we
are
to
assess
those
heritage
districts
but
fundamentally
councillor,
I
relied
on
the
expertise
of
our
heritage.
Q
Staff
who
we
work
with
closely
in
assessing
applications
within
and
the
budding
districts
and
the
answer
was
clearly
no
okay.
Thank
you,
madam
chair,
thank
you
and
thank
you,
mr
crane.
I
now
go
to
paul
robinson
who's,
representing
ph
robinson.
Consulting.
Are
you
on
the
line,
sir?
Yes,
I
am,
and
did
you
want
to
speak
for
five
minutes
or
sure
no
problem?
My
name
is
paul
robinson
planning
consultant
for
the
owners
of
this
property.
A
The
the
time
period
we've
had
community
meetings,
we've
had
meetings
with
the
counselor.
What
is
before
you
today
is
an
application
for
just
a
number
of
small
modifications
to
the
performance
standards
in
the
in
the
zoning.
It's
in
an
r4p
zoning
right
now.
The
modifications
that
we're
asking
for
is
the
first
is
for
a
front
yard
setback.
A
I
Is
either
at
or
in
excess
of
2.5
meters?
A
lot
of
that
is
related
to
the
fact
that
we
are
have
a
curve,
a
curved
front
lot
line
and
we're
asking
we're
having
a
few
indentations
in
the
the
front
facade
of
the
building,
which
require
a
modification
of
the
front
yard
setback,
as
mr
diaco
indicated
in
terms
of
the
interior
side
yard,
sat
back
that
abuts
the
property
owner
to
the
south.
I
We
have
made
modifications
so
that
the
only
portion
that
is
really
asking
for
a
modification
is
the
portion
of
the
building
closest
to
the
street
and
that's
from
2.5
to
2
meters.
The
fourth
floor
would
be
2.5
meters
all
the
way
through
and
the
rear
portion
of
that
side
yard
setback
is
also
zoning
compliant
at
2.5
meters.
I
The
north
side
yard
setback
is
proposed
to
be
two
meters
throughout
and
the
fourth
floor.
2.5
meters,
the
rear
yard
lot
area
we're
asking
for
a
small
modification
from
126
to
116
square
meters,
which
co
relates
to
the
request
for
a
reduced
rear
yard
setback
from
5.39
meters
to
4.6
meters.
That
is
in
a
pinch
point.
I
The
we
have
made
modifications
over
the
time
to
the
exterior
appearance
of
the
building,
in
particular,
the
upper
level
of
the
building.
The
building
is
zoning
compliant
in
terms
of
height,
the
height
light
height
limit
in
this
area
is
14.5
meters.
Our
maximum
height
is
just
under
13
meters,
we're
providing
now
in
the
revised
plans,
seven
underground
parking
spaces.
I
S
S
S
Just
getting
myself
off
of
off
of
mute,
I
don't
really
have
anything
further
to
add
beyond
what
mr
diego
diaco
answered
regarding
the
adjacency
to
the
rockwell
park
heritage
conservation
district.
I
think
he
answered
the
question.
Well.
So
no
further
comments
on
that.
Unless
there
are
questions,
okay,
any
so
counselor
just
stay
on
the
line.
In
case
we
end
up.
Circling
back
council
leaper
yeah
thanks
chair,
I'm
just
wondering
paul.
S
S
We.
We
also
have
a
concurrent
site
plan
application
that
is
not
completed
and
we'd
like
to
have
some
finality
on
the
zoning
and,
as
you're,
probably
aware,
very
often
site
plan
committee
of
adjustment
applications
are
tied
to
the
the
final
site
plan-
drawings,
okay
and
I'm
sorry-
I
forgive
me
if
I
miss
this.
These
are
proposed
to
be
rental.
Presumably
that
is
correct.
I
mean
it's:
it's
a
nice
addition
of
rental
housing
into
into
a
great
neighborhood.
Okay,
thanks
paul!
S
S
Hello
welcome
hi,
hi
lucy
welcome.
You
have
five
minutes
pleasure.
Thank
you
so
much
good
morning,
madam
chair
and
committee
members
just
wanted
to
thank
you
for
giving
me
some
time
on
the
agenda
today.
I'd
also
like
to
thank
councillor
leeper
and
his
staff
for
his
time
on
this
file
over
the
last
several
months.
S
So
my
name
is
lucy
hargreaves,
I'm
the
resident
at
330,
winona
avenue
my
home
is
located
directly
beside
the
proposed
development
and
I
retained
land
use
planning
lawyer
christy
ross
to
help
me
with
this
issue,
and
she
submitted
a
letter
to
the
committee
on
my
behalf,
which
I
think
you
should
have
in
your
package.
Unfortunately,
we
do
notification,
so
she
could
not
join
today.
Before
outlining
my
specific
concerns,
I
think
I'll
just
take
a
few
moments
to
provide
some
background
on
my
home
and
my
family.
S
the
house
on
my
property
is
a
two-story
detached
home,
which
is
similar
to
many
of
the
other
homes.
On
my
street,
my
children
actively
use
the
driveway
on
my
property,
which
is
the
driveway
which
runs
between
my
house
and
the
proposed
development,
and
it's
a
safe
place
for
them
to
play,
ride
their
bikes
and
spend
time.
S
My
house
also
includes
a
rooftop
deck
on
the
second
story
of
the
north
side
of
my
property,
and
this
is
just
a
private
area
that
my
family
uses
to
spend
time
together.
In
addition,
my
son
has
adhd
and
is
extremely
sensitive
to
noise
and
distractions,
and
he
and
my
other
children
will
be
at
home
during
the
day
the
school
year
as
a
result
of
covid
they'll,
be
learning
remotely
so
now
that
I've
outlined
that
background
I'll
just
shift
to
providing
an
overview
of
my
concerns
of
the
development.
S
S
S
I
have
concerns
around
safety
in
that
situation,
for
the
families
that
play
on
use
and
cross
winona
avenue.
I
also
have
a
series
of
concerns
that
relate
specifically
to
my
property,
including
the
impact
of
the
proposed
development
on
the
safe
use
of
my
driveway
by
my
children
and
loss
of
privacy
due
to
the
proposed
pedestrian
pathway.
That's
directly
adjacent
to
my
property
between
winona
and
churchill,.
Q
I'm
also
asking
if
that
is
not
possible.
I'm,
alternatively,
asking
the
planning
committee
to
encourage
the
developer
to
enter
into
a
negotiated
agreement
with
me
to
address
the
site
plan
issues
and
minimize
the
adverse
effects
of
the
development
to
my
property
during
and
after
construction.
Specifically
I'd
like
to
see
the
following
items
addressed
number
one.
I'd
like
to
see
the
fencing
changed
from
an
open
iron
fence
to
a
solid
fence
that
is
the
maximum
height
possible
to
improve
the
privacy
of
my
property
and
prevent
overlook
from
the
building
and
the
pathway.
Q
I'm
also
asking
for
the
pathway
to
be
modified
or
narrowed,
to
increase
the
space
for
a
green
vegetation
buffer
between
my
property
and
the
proposed
development,
and
also
traffic
calming
measures
to
be
considered
introduced
on
to
winona
to
prevent
or
minimize
turns
out
of
the
development
on
wino
on
winona.
Thank
you
yeah.
That's
it
sorry!
That's
that
that's!
Okay!
Q
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much
yeah.
Thank
you
very
much,
and
so
what
you're
asking
for
are
site
plan
issues
we
do
have
the
applicant
speaking.
Does
anyone
have
any
questions
for
lucy?
I
do
counselor
leaper,
then
we'll
go
to
the
applicant
and
and
thanks
ms
hargreaves
for
your
delegation
today,
as
the
chair
just
alluded
to,
these
are
a
number
of
things
that
we
can
work
through
in
sight
plan.
But
when
was
your
most
recent
discussion
with
the
developer,
so
we
had
a
discussion.
Q
I
don't
have
the
date
in
front
of
me,
but
I
believe
that
it
was
in
may
at
some
period
of
time,
so
it
was
after
the.
I
know
that
the
proposal
has
gone
through
a
number
of
iterations,
so
it
was
after
the
the
it
was
before
the
latest
iteration
of
the
site
plan.
Okay,
I
I
received
ms
ross's
and
had
a
chat
with
her
over
the
past
couple
of
days.
These
are
issues
that
can
be
worked
through.
My
understanding
is
that
we
are
not
bringing
site
plan
today.
Q
That's
a
a
process
to
come.
I
do
have
the
ability
not
to
concur
with
site
plan
and
to
force
that
to
a
vote,
and
I
you
know
if,
if
I
don't
see
some
dialogue
emerge
here
between
yourself
and
the
developer,
I
will
absolutely
use
that
hammer
to
bring
site
plan
to
a
vote.
So
my
strong
encouragement
to
john
is
to
reach
out
and
let's
make
sure
that
there's
a
a
good
productive
discussion
before
we
get
to
the
point
of
seeking.
A
F
E
A
I
think
heather
is
gonna.
Go
through
a
a
presentation
of
our
of
our
development
and
the
efforts
made
to
deal
with
transition
issues,
and
I
think
madam
chair
you're,
aware
of
how
much
we
spent
and
time
and
money
to
ensure
our
development
was
responsive
to
the
needs
of
the
community,
including
buying
the
neighboring
land
for
1.2
million
dollars,
which
is
three
times.
A
B
A
2019
we've
had
two
udrps:
we've
been
working
with
staff
for
18
months.
We
have
bent
over
backwards
to
accommodate
everything
we
possibly
could.
I
think
andrew
mcrae
is
very
well
aware
of
that.
Quite
frankly,
I
don't
time.
Did
ms
hargreaves
reach
out
to
us
until
april
2020
we
had
a
conversation.
We
went
through
the
issues.
A
M
There
and
we
thought
that
was
the
end
of
the
issue
we
didn't
hear
from
her
again
until
last
thursday,
when
her
lawyer
sent
us
another
letter,
essentially
saying
that
if
we
don't
agree
their
demands,
they're
going
to
speak
at
a
committee-
and
you
know
we're
always
happy
to
talk,
but
this
is
very
last
minute
and
we've
been
very
clear
with
community.
I
give
my
personal
phone
number.
My
email
said
anytime,
you
have
any
issues,
please
come
see
me.
I
live
in
the
neighborhood,
so
we're
not
that
kind
of
developer.
M
We
try
to
engage
our
community
members
and
if
you
look
at,
I
think
counselor
kavanaugh
is
aware
of
our
efforts
at
929
richmond
road.
The
community
supports
us.
They
know
what
we
we're
doing
every
day
to
ensure
they're
they're
happy.
So
that's
not
our
style.
We
are.
We
are
a
responsible
community
developer
and
we
will
continue
to
be
so
and
if
the
fence
has
to
be
a
different
materiality,
I'm
sure
heather
and
lisa
can
work
around
that.
If
we
want
more
trees,
we
can
do
that.
A
A
L
Previewing
very,
thank
you,
sorry.
Maybe
that
was
just
my
computer.
Sorry
anyway,
we've
managed
to
in
the
last
18
months
with
respect
to
negotiations
with
the
city
and
we've
acquired
an
additional
property
on
winona,
therefore
increasing
our
our
frontage
on
winona
to
39
meters,
which
gives
us
a
large
degree
of
separation
to
our
proposal.
If
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
please
so
really
many
many
of
the
kind
of
key
ingredients
come
out
in
our
ground
floor
planning.
L
This
is
a
ground
floor
plan
that
you're
looking
at
so
really
starting
at
the
corner
of
churchville
and
scott
we've,
we've
been
quite
generous
with
providing
a
plaza
for
the
community
there.
An
adjacent
retail
uses
really
acknowledging
that
this
is
a
kind
of
threshold
intersection
within
the
community
that
retail
does
wrap
around
onto
scott
street
and
then
you'll
see
on
the
north
side.
L
We
have
the
entrance
to
the
the
project
itself,
our
lobby
and
then
adjacent
to
that
some
amenity
space
that
we
envision
as
a
kind
of
we
work
space
that
also
contributes
and
animates
the
pedestrian
realm
and
then
turning
the
corner
onto
winona.
We
have
four
great
related
townhouses
that
really
start
to
speak
to
the
issues
of
transition.
L
L
This
is
a
panel
that
we
presented
at
one
of
our
our
initial
public
outreach
meetings,
and
this
speaks
to
the
kind
of
architectural
expression
and
uses
that
we're
proposing
at
grade
we're
very
interested
in
potential
restaurant
uses
right
at
the
corner
and
perhaps
there's
opportunity
for
some
bike.
Repair
shops
we're
right
adjacent
to
the
multi-use
pathway
on
the
north
side
of
scott
street.
L
So
if
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
please
we're
really
inspired
by
a
building
that
has
a
kind
of
high
degree
of
detail
at
the
base
in
the
form
of
a
brick
podium.
The
top
two
images
on
this
page
are
pictures
of
projects
that
quadrangle
the
firm
that
I
work
for
has
worked
on
and
really
led
john
to
choosing
our
practice.
L
These
are
impressive
images
for
some
of
the
tower
expression
that
we're
currently
contemplating
this
idea
of
fins
that
undulate
that
create
a
kind
of
dynamic
facade
and
a
high
degree
of
visual
interest,
as
you
go
around
the
building,
if
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
please
so
these
are
just
some
quick
floor
plans.
This
is
level
four,
so
showing
the
kind
of
setback
to
one
of
the
podium
floor
plates
showing
the
private
terracing
that
we're
achieving
on
the
south
and
on
the
east
side
and
the
large
19-meter
setback.
L
If
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
please.
This
is
a
the
sixth
floor
where
we
started
to
get
into
the
tower
floor
plates.
Just
noting
the
outdoor
amenity
at
the
at
the
southwest
corner
and
the
increase
set
back
to
over
20
meters
to
the
tower,
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide
please.
So
this
is
the
lower
tower
plate
with
11
rental
suites
per
floor.
If
we
can
go
to
the
next
slide,
please
and
then
going
up
the
tower.
L
The
number
of
suites
decreases
to
seven
and
if
we
can
keep
going,
these
are
the
building
elevations
again
showing
the
brick
podium
and
the
the
kind
of
lighter
tower
expression.
The
next
slide
please,
and
if
we
can
keep
going
please
this
is
the
elevation.
Sorry,
this
slide
prior
was
the
elevation
along
scott.
A
K
Much
longer
because
I
have
lisa
as
long
as
lisa
doesn't
speak,
you
could
have
a
few
minutes
from
her,
but
that's
it
yeah.
I
don't
think
lisa
was
planning
on
speaking
okay,
so
I'll
give
you
one
minute.
Okay,
thank
you.
So
this
is
the
winona
street
elevation,
where
you
can
very
clearly
see
the
stepping
and
the
higher
degree
of
detailing
that
we're
adding
at
those
townhouses
in
the
form
of
picket,
railings
lighting
and
landscaping.
K
K
These
are
project
statistics,
I'm
not
going
to
dwell
on
these
and
I
believe
the
next
slide
is
some
community
benefits
that
I
think
john
already
touched
on
the
pedestrian
mid-block
connection
and
the
plaza,
and
then
this
is.
This
is
an
outdated
rendering
before
we,
we
actually
incorporated
some
of
the
revisions
that
the
city
has
requested
and
that
we've
been
negotiating,
but
it
shows
the
kind
of
general
intent
and
expression
of
the
architecture
and
that's
the
end.
Thank
you.
K
Thank
you
very
much.
Hang
on
I'm
just
going
to
look
at
my
just
a
minute.
Let's
see
anybody
ask
wanting
to
ask
questions,
so
that's
good
good
presentation.
Thank
you
very
much
all
right
so
on
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
for
2070
scott
street
sorry
jen
comments
I
asked
and
you're
not
you
were.
I
didn't.
I
didn't
have
questions
for
the
applicants,
but
normally
we
we
turned
to
the
to
the
motion.
So
it's
this
is
an
interesting
one.
Colleagues,
I
have
actually
been
vacillating
on
this.
K
K
K
K
Right
next
to
the
westboro
lrt
station,
you
know,
I
think,
as
a
city
we
can
be
demanding
better.
I
I
I'm
looking
forward
to
seeing
what
the
final
architectural
expression
of
this
building
is
today
we're
approving
a
building
envelope.
I
hope
that
the
building
looks
as
good
as
it
does,
and
I
was
excited
to
see
what
they're
doing
in
catherine's
ward
at
the
the
lion
and
bay
site.
K
But
I
would
note
you
know,
as
a
result
of
the
section
37
it's
going
to
put
600
000
of
that
I've
asked
to
be
put
into
our
ward,
affordable
housing
fund.
That
fund
is
starting
to
come
into
play
to
start
to
achieve
some
affordable
housing
in
the
ward,
and
I've
also
asked
that
around
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
be
used
for
traffic
calming
so
to
ms
hargreaves
point
about
the
in
and
out
and
and
traffic.
I
think
we're
actually
going
to
be
able
to
do
some
good
things.
Q
But
I
do
recognize
that
it
triggers
affordable
housing
money.
It
triggers
traffic
calming
money.
They
are
showing
us
some
interesting
architecture
and
they've
made
significant
strides
toward
making
it
a
building
that
breathes
on
the
site,
as
opposed
to
the
the
first
one
that
we
saw
my
big
thanks
city
staff
for
for
pushing
the
developer,
particularly
on
that
front.
So
I
will
leave
it
there
thanks
chair.
Q
K
Q
And,
and
and
thank
you
to
the
the
applicant
as
well
for
coming
out
and
for
miss
far
fans
for
coming
out
thanks
a
lot.
Thank
you,
okay.
So
the
next,
the
last
item,
as
far
as
I
can
see,
that's
up
today
that
has
been
held
is
zoning.
Bylaw
amendment
for
339,
343,
gloucester
street
and
vice
chair
gower
has
a
technical
motion
to
clarify
the
content
of
document.
Two.
I
I
Be
it
resolved
that
planning
committee
recommend
to
council
that
the
following
changes
be
made
to
document
two?
They
are
on
the
screen,
so
I
will
not
read
all
those
and
be
a
further
resolve
that,
pursuant
to
the
planning
act,
subsection
3417,
no
further
notice,
be
given
good.
So
on
the
technical
amendment
is
that
carrie
carried
carry
period
and
on
the
report
343.
I
Oh
no.
I
can't
go
to
that.
Sorry
good!
Try,
jan
it's
1203,
so
I'm
not
even
going
to
ask
you
whether
we
need
to
take
a
break
for
lunch
at
12
30,
because
we
have
three
speakers
of
their
delegations
and
then
we
have
the
applicant
is
here
as
well.
Sorry
about
that
linda
williams,
followed
by
jeff,
rogers
and
mandana
gedx
says
good
access,
so
linda
williams,
are
you
here?
I
I
A
A
B
B
B
A
Facing
units
of
my
building
and
the
proposed
new
building
will
be
approximately
50
feet,
measured
balcony
to
balcony.
At
first
glance,
that
seems
like
a
lot
of
distance
and
it
would
be
if
we
were
talking
about
single-family
homes
in
the
suburbs,
but
single-family
homes
have
solid
walls
made
of
brick
or
siding.
A
I
Of
the
north
side
of
this
new
building
will
also
suffer
the
same
fate.
I
will
be
able
to
see
into
their
living
areas,
but
they
will
have
the
choice
to
live
under
these
conditions,
since
we
are
living
in
an
existing
building.
The
only
choices
we
have
are
to
put
up
with
the
lack
of
privacy,
lack
of
sunlight
or
to
sell
our
apartments
and
move.
G
G
G
And
finally,
myself
and
my
fellow
residents
are
acting
you
to
reject
this
project.
It
will
have
a
negative
impact
on
residents
and
on
our
neighborhood.
It
fails
to
comply
with
the
official
plan
for
the
central
area
by
diminishing,
rather
than
enhancing
quality
of
life.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
of
speaking
to
you
today.
G
G
G
G
G
As
my
good
neighbor
has
just
said,
the
surrounding
blocks
are
already
extremely
high
density.
Densification
is
not
a
penicia,
I
realize
it's
the
go-to
word
and
it
is
very
applicable
to
many
communities
throughout
north
america
and
and
the
world,
but
at
high
levels.
It
has
a
negative
impact
on
the
community.
G
G
G
The
fact
that
exceptions
were
given
to
the
bowery
does
not
mean
that
this
building
needs
to
get
exceptions
and,
in
fact,
exceptions
given
to
the
bowery
or
the
other
large
constructions
in
the
last
10
years.
Maybe
impede
the
ability
to
approve
to
approve
the
exceptions
this
time,
and
that
may
be
the
reality
of
the
moment.
A
R
I
I
There
are
five
ways
in
which
this
couldn't
just
be
built.
As
of
right,
without
seeking
this
committee's
permission,
they're
asking
for
a
front
yard
setback
and
you
will
face
the
rear
of
the
building,
is
my
understanding
if
you're
on
laurier,
correct,
okay,
so
from
they're
allowed
to
build
a
21-story
building
at
the
distance
that
they're
requesting
at
the
front
they're
asking
to
have
a
setback
of
2.6
meters
instead
of
the
required
three,
so
they're
they're
being
asked
to.
Q
Q
Every
bit
that
we
reduce
the
space
taken
up
in
the
sky
from
the
varying
angles
makes
a
difference
to
what
sun
would
be
received
in
the
case
of
the
front
setback.
Honestly,
it's
the
occupants
of
the
bowery
who,
with
the
evening
sun
on
the
north
side,
which
is
the
only
sun
they
get
where
it
will
make
a
difference
to
them
right.
Does
it
look
like
a
difference
to
the
view
or
the
sun
from
my
condo?
A
M
Net
appeal
and
enjoyability,
okay:
no,
I
I
hear
that
I'm
just
you
know
we
are
looking
at
a
difference:
they're
allowed
to
build
a
21
story
building
and
whether
it
has
one
foot
more
or
a
of
a
setback
on
the
front
or
not.
I'm
just
struggling
to
understand
how
that
makes
any
kind
of
meaningful
difference
in
in
what
this
neighborhood
looks
and
feels
like,
and
I
I
do
know
the
neighborhood
well
all
right.
I
will
leave
it
there.
I've
got
some
questions.
R
Thanks
chair,
thank
you,
council,
leaper,
and,
and
thank
you,
mr
rogers.
I
just
wanted
saeed.
Are
you
there
or
doug
james?
Madam
chair?
Yes,
I'm
here
as
a
site.
Okay,
I
just
wanted
you
know
recently.
We
we
passed
the
policy
for
the
tall
buildings
and
that
sort
of
you
know,
which
was
a
very
big
policy
and
an
important
one.
How
does
this
application
fit
within
that?
I
know
you
weren't
in
your
current
role
at
this
time.
R
That's
why
I
said-
or
maybe,
mr
james,
so
I
leave
it
up
to
you.
Thank
you,
madam
chair
I'll,
I'll,
try
to
answer
the
question.
We
did
look
at
the
the
high-rise
design
guidelines
in
review
of
this
particular
application
with
respect
to
the
neighboring
properties
to
the
east
and
the
west
to
the
east.
There's
a
five-story
parking
garage
which
is
part
of
the
23-storey
condominium.
R
Laurier
avenue
to
the
north
of
this
property,
so
we
felt
that
that
that
site
was
wide
enough
if
it
were
to
be
redeveloped
in
the
future.
To
to
me
generally
meet
the
separation
guidelines,
you
know
for
for
high-rise
development,
the
property
to
the
west
is
an
eight-story
residential
building,
and
there
was
some
discussion
about
looking
at
a
limiting
distance
agreement
there.
R
However,
we
we
thought
again
that
it
was,
you
know,
not
really
necessary
in
that
case
and
if
that
site
were
to
be
redeveloped
to
be
a
high-rise
building
that
there
was
sufficient
room
to
meet
the
intent
of
the
guidelines.
So
we
did
take.
Take
those
into
consideration
the
the
distance
between
the
building
to
the
to
the
north
and
the
subject.
Property
is
approximately
20
meters
and,
given
that
the
site.
A
A
A
A
That
gloucester
and
nepean
are
one-way
street,
so
how
they're
going
to
plan
when
they
start
doing
the
construction,
so
that
would
be
one
factor
that
they're
kind
of
worried
about,
because
there's
so
many
buildings
on
gloucester
that
they
need
access
to
their
garage.
So
how
is
that
going
to
affect
us
getting
to
the
garage
areas?
A
And
the
other
concern
as
like
linda
mentioned,
is
the
privacy
because
we're
facing
the
south-
and
we
already
could
see
the
living
room
of
the
other
two
condos
right
across
from
us,
so
by
having
this
other
additional
building,
we're
practically
going
to
be
so
close
to
one
another
that
we
could
see.
You
know
each
other's
living,
room
or
dining
room
so
pretty
much.
These
are
my
concern
at
this
point
and
I
would
appreciate
it
if
the
city
councils
and
the
planning
committee
could
take
this
into
consideration.
A
A
Or
for
wrap
up
or
whatever,
okay
changing
up
the
applicant
as
well
yeah,
yes,
I'm
just
council
leaper.
Did
I
hear
you
yeah?
Okay,
I
see
some
now,
okay,
so
we're
going
to
go
to
the
applicant
now
who
is
nico
church
and
brian
casagrande
with
photon?
You
have
five
minutes
to
get
all
together.
It
says
here:
kevin
reed
is
here
on
the
architecture,
so
go
ahead.
A
Brian
nico!
Thank
you.
Madam
members
of
committee
ryan,
casagrande,
photon
consultants.
Nico
is
going
to
do
the
majority
of
the
presentation
we're
going
to
keep
it
really
brief.
To
respond
to.
I
think
the
comments
that
we
heard,
because
I
think,
for
the
most
part,
saeed
and
even
to
an
extent,
counselor
leaper,
have
touched
on
the
salient
issues
here,
but
we'll
see
if
we
can
add
a
little
bit
more
and
then
kevin
reed
is
also
available
as
the
architect.
Certainly
if
we
have
any
questions
related
to
the
architecture.
Thank
you.
A
Good
afternoon,
madam
chair
and
members
of
committee,
hello,
hello,
can
you
hear
me?
Yes,
we
can.
Thank
you,
okay,
wonderful,
so
my
presentation
will
be
speaking
primarily
to
the
existing
context
of
the
site
and
surrounding
properties,
the
proposed
development
and
the
requested
amendments
and
how
they
fit
in
again
within
the
existing
policy.
So
next
slide,
please.
A
So
the
properties
on
the
north
side
of
gloucester
street
in
the
central
area-
it's
located
just
about
300
meters,
south
from
the
lyon
lrt
station,
and
the
current
use,
is
a
two
and
a
half
story.
Residential
use.
Building,
looking
at
the
surrounding
area
to
the
north
is
the
the
condo
building
fronting
onto
laurier,
which
I
believe
is
a
22-story
high-rise
to
the
east
in
the
photo
on
the
left.
A
You'll
notice,
the
the
five-story
parking
garage
that's
syed
referred
to
earlier,
and
that
is
part
of
the
the
condo
building
lands
to
the
west
is
an
eight-story
mid-rise
apartment
building
and
between
the
apartment,
building
and
the
subject.
Property
are
associated
surface
and
underground
parking
facilities
to
the
south
of
the
property
are
three
high-rise
apartment
buildings
with
very
little
in
the
way
of
separation
distance,
and
this
is
something
that
you
see
in
this
part
of
the
city,
where
there's
many
examples
of
high-risk
buildings
that
are
built
very
close
to
each
other.
A
Another
example
is
on
the
next
slide
and
it's
actually
again
the
the
470
laurier
condo
building.
So
this
is
looking
south
from
laurier
right.
Beside
the
condo
building
to
the
left
is
another
high-rise
apartment
building.
So
again,
this
is
we're
looking
at
a
context
where
there
are
several
existing
examples
of
high-risk
buildings
that
are
built
close
to
each
other
in
terms
of
the
policy
and
zoning
very
quickly.
The
official
plan,
the
central
area
secondary
plan,
as
well
as
the
zoning
bylaw,
all
permit
a
high-rise
apartment,
building
and
I'll
quickly.
Note.
A
The
zoning
bylaw
here
does
denote
a
height
limit
of
64
meters.
We
are
not
proposing
to
go
over
that
height
limit,
so
the
proposed
development
is
a
21-story
high-res
apartment
building
with
115
units,
we're
proposing
only
12
underground
vehicle
parking
spaces
due
to
the
proximity
to
lrt,
at
the
same
time,
we're
also
proposing
more
than
one
bicycle
parking
space
per
unit,
most
of
which
will
be
located
indoors,
sheltered
for
for
convenient
use
and
storage
by
the
residents.
A
I
would
also
like
to
note
sorry
previous
slide:
the
rear
yard
setback
of
7.9
meters.
The
initial
ask
was
for
six
meters,
the
the
current
zoning
permits
a
seven
and
a
half
meter,
re-yard
setback.
We
initially
asked
for
six
meters
after
consultation
with
the
residents
of
the
the
building
to
the
north.
We
decided
to
shorten
the
building
and
move
it
forward
in
order
to
provide
and
actually
exceed
the
rear,
edge
setback
of
7.5
meters.
A
So
the
requested
amendments
that
we're
asking
for
next
slide.
Thank
you
is
that
reduced
front
yard
setback
in
order
to
meet
the
separation
guidelines
between
this,
this
property
and
the
condo
building
to
the
north
and
there's
actually
a
20
meter
separation
distance
between
the
two,
which
does
meet
the
high-rise
guidelines
in
the
central
area.
A
A
We
understand
that
these
are
not
a
very
big
separation
distances
between
the
building
and
the
east
and
west
interior
side
here
at
setbacks,
but
given
the
existing
context
of
non-sensitive
uses
to
the
east
and
the
west
again
the
the
parking
structure,
as
well
as
the
surface
and
underground
parking
of
the
building
to
the
west,
we
do
believe
that
there
will
be
a
much
lesser
impact
and
again
we
don't
see,
uses
being
redeveloped
anytime
soon.
So
nico,
that's
your
time!
Yeah!
I
was
just
going
to
invite
any
questions.
I
was
done
there.
A
Thank
you
yeah
great
thanks,
and
so
I
see
councilor
lieber.
Are
you
waving
for
questions?
Yep,
okay,
go
ahead
and
it's
the
same
question
I
asked
a
previous
applicant.
Why
is
this
in
front
of
our
committee
rather
than
the
committee
of
adjustment?
The
changes
from
the
performance
standards
seem
so
minor.
A
A
It's
just
fraught
with
much
more
unpredictability
and
you
know
to
our
clients
the
burden
of
spending
a
little
bit
more
money.
Quite
honestly,
and
a
little
bit
more
time
for
us
to
have.
You
know
I
guess
the
our
colleagues
at
the
city
to
see
the
policies.
The
way
we
do,
we
think
is,
is
a
more
valuable
and
reliable
process.
A
A
A
A
I
did
a
tally
of
all
the
applications
today
and
I
think
it's
worth
noting
that
if
this
this
item
is
approved,
we'll
have
approved
zoning
bylaw
amendments
that
would
allow
for
over
1900
apartments
in
the
city
of
ottawa,
most
them
in
the
core,
but
they
do
stretch
from
ogilvy
road
in
the
east
all
the
way
up
to
stittsville
in
the
west,
so
kind
of
a
good
indicator
of
some
of,
I
think
we're
all
seeing
more
apartment
applications
in
our
awards.
So
worth
noting.
Thank
you,
madam
thank
you,
councillor,
mckinney
yeah,
just
very
quickly.
A
I
just
wanted
to
note
one
thing
and
then
make
a
comment
about
site
plan.
So
my
comments
that
are
in
the
report
were
actually,
I
didn't,
have
an
opportunity
to
update
them.
The
the
the
application
came
back
without
any
notification,
so
I
just
I
just
want
to
note
that
my
opposition
was
to
the
original
very
what
I
thought
was
too
close
to
proximity
for
the
rear,
rear
yard
setback.
A
So
I
you
know
I
just
I
I
do
want
I
did.
I
did
want
to
note
that
publicly
and
just
on
the
issue
of
privacy,
you
know
I
I
understand
why
residents
reacted
the
way
they
did
when
this
first
came.
Six
and
a
half
meters
is
very
close.
You
know
if
you're,
if
you're
10,
15
20
stories
up
and
somebody's
that
that
close
to
you
privacy,
is
a
concern,
but
you
know
with
the
with
the
extension
to
20
meters.
A
You
know
we
can
do
that
through
architecture
by
you
know,
shifting
windows
making
sure
that
they're
not
perfectly
aligned
with
with
the
existing
the
existing
building.
So
just
a
note
that
something
that
we
can
discuss
through
through
site
plan.
Thank
you
thanks
very
much
counselor.
I
don't
see
anyone
else
so
on
the
zoning
bylaw
amendment
for
339
343
gloucester
street.