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Planning Committee - 28 October 2021
Agenda and background materials can be found at http://www.ottawa.ca/agendas
A
E
E
B
Thank
you
eric.
This
is
a
public
meeting
to
receive
oral
submissions
pursuant
to
the
development
charges
act
listed
as
item
one
on
today's
agenda.
This
is
also
a
public
meeting
to
consider
the
proposed
zoning
by-law
amendments
listed
as
items
two
and
three
on
today's
agenda
for
items
two
and
three.
Only
those
who
make
oral
submissions
today
or
written
submissions
before
the
amendments
are
adopted
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
ontario
land
tribunal.
In
addition,
the
applicant
may
appeal
the
matter
to
the
ontario
land
tribunal.
B
B
Are
there
any
declarations
of
interest
this
morning,
I'm
seeing
none
we're
going
to
do
confirmation
of
minutes.
We
have
four
different
meetings.
We
need
to
approve
minutes,
for.
The
first
is
the
last
regular
meeting
of
planning
committee
from
september.
23Rd
2021
are
the
minutes
confirmed,
confirmed
very
view.
B
B
Thank
you
and
the
minutes
for
the
special
joint
committee
of
planning
committee
and
built
heritage
subcommittee
that
was
related
to
the
ottawa
hospital
master
plan
october
1st
2021.
Are
the
minutes
confirmed
great?
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
and
the
minutes
for
the
special
meeting
of
planning
committee.
This
was
for
the
ottawa
hospital
again
october,
1st
and
october
4th
2021
are
the
minutes
confirmed,
confirmed.
B
Thank
you
and
we
will
be
looking
at
the
minutes
for
the
official
plan
joint
meeting
at
the
next
meeting
of
planning
committee.
So
we
don't
have
to
confirm
that
today
we
have
three
items
on
the
agenda
for
this
morning,
I'll
just
go
through
each
one
and
see
if
we
need
to
hold
them
for
further
discussion.
B
B
D
Therefore,
be
it
resolve
that
planning
committee
defer
the
report,
zoning
bylaw
amendment
129
and
133
catherine
street.
Until
there
is
proof,
this
property
owner
can
be
a
responsible,
downtown
property
owner
and
commit
to
deliverable
plans
to
rehabilitate
the
somerset
house
site
and
be
a
further
resolve
that
there'll
be
no
further
notice
pursuant
to
subsection
3
4
17
of
the
planning
act,
so
that
the
motion
is
pretty
self-explanatory.
D
D
D
You
know
for
years
to
covet
and
when
we
finally
got
in
front
of
a
judge,
he
was
able
to
convince
the
judge
for
yet
another
extension.
So
this
is
a
part,
four
heritage
building
that
is
falling
into
it's
being
demolished
through
through
neglect,
and
we
really
don't
have
much
leverage
you
know
outside
of
a
possible
expropriation
which
you
know
is
exceptionally
difficult
to
follow
through
on.
D
B
So
there
are
some
questions
so
we'll
hold
this
item
and
we'll
come
back
to
it
as
third
on
the
agenda
thanks
counselor.
Thank
you,
okay!
So,
let's
well,
we
held
all
the
items.
Let's
go
back
to
our
held
items.
The
first
item
was
the
new
zoning
bylaw
for
the
proposed
budget
and
revised
work
plan
for
2022
2024.
B
A
Sure
so,
obviously
this
is
going
to
be
a
massive
effort
and
I
would
suggest
that
it's
going
to
be
an
even
more
difficult
exercise
than
the
official
plan
was.
Every
neighborhood
is
going
to
want
to
have
touch
with
planning
staff.
Every
counselor
is
going
to
be
asking
city
staff
to
come
meet
with
the
community
associations.
A
A
C
F
G
F
The
mixed-use
commercial
centers
industrial
zones,
environmental
zones,
things
like
that
I'll
also
be
looking
for
four
additional
planners.
The
support
staff
to
to
deal
with
exceptions,
schedules,
overlays,
legal
non-conforming
issues,
all
of
the
other
issues
that
need
to
come
up.
Projections,
administration
sections
all
of
those
things
as
well.
We
also
have
a
fairly
significant
gis
exercise
as
well
that
we're
going
to
be
doing
it's
unfortunate.
I
actually
had
a
beautiful
presentation
with
some
just
fantastic
visuals,
for
what
it
is
I'll.
F
F
So
we
we
really
do
have
an
all
hands
on
deck
situation
here
we
know
that
we
are
going
to
need
to
send
wave
after
wave
planners
into
the
community
associations
to
have
those
hard
discussions
and
to
do
those
lengthy
discussions
that
need
to
be
done
and,
quite
frankly,
the
time
frame
that
we
have
is
tight.
It
is
aggressive.
A
C
A
I
think
our
community
associations
were
relatively
pleased,
certainly
in
kitchissippi,
at
the
the
touch
points
I
think
they
probably
would
have
liked
more
and
certainly
the
equity
seeking
groups.
I
think
we're
looking
for
a
stronger
role
and
more
contact
with
the
planning
team
as
well
so
yeah
I'll
I'll
vote
for
this.
F
That
will
lay
out
exactly
how
we
are
going
to
do
the
zoning
exercise
in
detail
as
we
go
through
if
we
find
that
we
are
going
to
have
some
issues
with
respect
to
phasing
or
allocating
priorities
with
respect
to
all
of
the
various
secondary
plan
asks
that
have
also
come
out
of
that
exercise.
We
will
go
through
in
detail
what
we
will
need
to
do
to
respond
to
all
of
those
challenges.
F
The
allocation
that
we're
doing
right
now
is
a
development
charge
amendment,
so
ninety
percent
of
the
the
zoning
budget
will
be
supported
by
dc
as
part
of
this.
This
package
that
we
presented
here
today
if
there
is
additional
scope,
change
or
unforeseen
circumstances,
then
that's
something
that
we
would
have
to
revisit
at
that
time.
I
can't
make
predictions
right
now.
A
Okay,
I
mean
we
promised
a
lot
of.
We
promised
a
lot
of
communities,
some
special
attention
through
secondary
plans
and
targeted,
looks
and
I'm
looking
at
the
the
budgets
that
have
been
allocated
for
things
like
community
design
plans,
community
infrastructure
plans,
you
know
three
million
dollars
or
so,
and
I'm
just
not
sure
that
we're
gonna
be
able
to
fulfill
quite
the
level
of
commitment
that
we
made
through
the
op
process
with
that
level
of
budget.
E
E
It
is
the
comprehensive
zoning
bylaw
and
when
I
look
at
the
work
plan,
I
see
terms
like
consultation
with
the
public
consultation
with
stakeholders,
but
I'm
not
a
that
doesn't
give
me
detail,
and
maybe
this
is
a
high
level
work
plan
and
we're
not
getting
into
the
weeds
as
far
as
to
how
this
will
be
done,
but
there's
very
high
expectations
in
my
award
that
the
consultation
on
the
zoning
viola
how
we're
going
to
do
this
is
going
to
be
significantly
more
intensive
than
the
op.
The
op
was
the
the
global
planning
policy.
E
E
As
mr
wise
knows,
I
have
presidents
who
want
to
know
street
by
street
how
they're
going
to
be
impacted,
and
so
how
do
we
match
expectations
which,
with
the
ability
to
deliver
over
the
next
three
years,
because
people
who
are
apprehensive
just
about
the
global
op
and
how
their
neighborhoods
are
going
to
change,
are
going
to
want
that
detail,
they're
going
to
want
that
opportunity
for
planning
staff
to
come
into
the
neighborhood
and
have
that
not
one
discussion?
This
is
going
to
have
to
be
multiple
discussions,
and
so
is
that
factored
in?
E
Do
you
have
enough
staff?
Do
you
have
the
communication
staff
that
we
need?
Do
we
have
the
human
resources
to
go
across
the
city
to
have
those
meetings
and
so
you're
going
to
have
to
reach
out
to
every
member
of
council
to
talk
about
expectations?
Talk
about
how
we're
going
to
do
that.
I
don't
think
community
by
community
is
realistic,
but
definitely
worldwide.
The
word
council
can
help
shepherd
those
meetings,
but
that's
my
number
one
concern
going
forward.
E
E
F
Mr
chairs,
I
I
think
that
there
is
no
doubt
whatsoever
that
staff
fully
understand
and
recognize
the
significance,
complexity
and
scale
of
what
it
is
that
we
are
about
to
undertake
counselor
brockington.
As
you
know,
certainly
I'm
well
aware
of
the
level
of
detail
that
certain
community
associations
are
looking
for.
Quite
frankly,
they
deserve
to
know
it.
F
One
of
the
things
that
we
are
talking
about
when
we
talk
about
zoning
is,
we
are
talking
about
impacting
people's
homes
right
where
they
live,
and
what
we
find
in
zoning
is
is
often
sometimes
the
argument
over
what
might
seem
like
a
small
detail.
0.3
meters
in
some
cases
can
mean
the
world
to
people
and
that's
something
that
we
have
deep
respect
for,
that.
F
So
believe
me,
I
I'm
well
aware
of
what
it
is
that
we're
facing.
It
is
a
daunting
challenge,
no
doubt,
but
we
will
work
our
way
through
this
step
by
step.
It
is
a
big
big,
big
project
that
we're
about
to
undertake
a
a
project
that
very
few
cities
around
the
world
have
had
the
courage
to
really
go
through
and
undertake.
So
we
are.
H
Whoops
press
the
video
button
instead
of
my
sound
button
thanks
chair.
Thank
you
for
the
report
looks
good
to
me.
I
think
I'll
echo
comments
of
counselor
leaper
and
counselor
brockington
around
our
community
associations,
really
wanting
to
dig
in
on
this,
and-
and
I
mean
that
I
mean
I
have
seven
community
associations
in
my
award
and
they're
very
much
interested
in
workshopping.
H
They
don't
want
to
see
a
high
level
presentation
to
them.
They
really
want
to
get
in
a
room
or
zoom
and
and
workshop
back
and
forth
and
test
assumptions.
So
that's
going
to
be
really
important
for
this
exercise,
because
their
knowledge
level
is
extremely
high.
They
know
their
communities
best
and
they
really
want
to
work
with
with
staff
directly,
and
I
think
we've
found
through
the
official
plan
process
there.
There
is
an
ability
to
get
things
through.
H
That
may
not
be
what
everybody
wants,
but
we'll
we'll
find
that
that
middle
ground-
and
in
this
case
that's
gonna,
be
really
really
important.
So
just
to
emphasize
the
the
goal
is
not
so
much
those
broad
high
level
presentations
in
consultations
but
actual
workshopping
and
meeting
on
a
regular
basis.
I
think,
with
fca
community
associations
and
the
broader
community
to
talk
about
what
they
want
and
to
see
that
reflected
in
the
plan
as
much
as
possible.
H
I
had
a
couple
of
questions
as
well.
One
is
around
the
inclusionary
zoning
by
law,
so
we
had
talked
a
lot
about
the
need
to
approve
the
official
plan
as
early
as
possible
so
that
this
could
come
fairly
soon
after
I
I'm
wondering
about
an
update
on
the
timing
of
that
is
that
set
to
come
with
the
rest
of
the
zoning
bylaw
update.
H
My
understanding
is
a
lot
more.
Work
has
been
done
on
that
in
advance
and
that
there
could
be
some
pieces
ready,
and
I
say
that
reading
the
report,
seeing
that
there
might
be
a
quick
hits
piece
and
a
big
moves
piece
that
comes
so
I
just
I
just
would
like
to
know
where
that
portion
fits
and
how
we're
going
to
be
undertaking
the
work
over
the
next
couple
of
years.
F
Yeah
inclusionary
zoning
is
not
going
to
wait
until
the
three
year
process
for
the
zoning
violence
we'll
be
bringing
inclusionary
zoning
forward.
Very
very
soon,
we've
had
a
consultant
working
on
the
housing
market
analysis,
which
is
required
by
provincial
regulations
that
housing
market
analysis
is
nearly
complete.
F
We
are
also
looking
at
what
toronto
is
currently
doing:
they're
the
first
municipality
to
take
the
step
to
move
forward
in
inclusionary
zoning,
so
we're
communicating
very
closely
with
their
staff
to
see
how
that
is
rolling
out,
certainly
watching
very
closely
the
reactions
with
industry.
The
discussions
with
stakeholder
groups
on
those
things
as
we
go
along
and
we're
certainly
watching
and
seeing
what
they
do
and
seeing
how
things
are
going.
F
We
expect
that
we
will
be
looking
forward
to
to
moving
with
the
housing
market
analysis
and
making
that
public
in
the
next
couple
of
months
and
engaging
in
a
public
consultation
process
and
discussions
on
how
that's
going
to
occur
in
an
ottawa
context
again
over
the
next
few
months
as
well
too.
So
we
may
be
in
a
position
to
be
able
to
bring
forward
inclusionary
zoning,
including
an
official
plan
amendment
and
zoning
bylaw
updates
in
the
next
year.
That
is
certainly
something
that
we
would
like
to
do.
F
H
Thanks,
mr
wise,
that's
very
helpful
with
regard
to
development
charges
again
a
separate
conversation,
but
there's
some
implication
here.
My
understanding
is
the
dc
full
update,
which
we
really
badly
need
in
this
city
would
not
be
taking
place
until
next
term
of
council.
I
think
2024
is
the
schedule
for
that.
That's
a
separate
piece
that
is
that
any
way
related
to
this.
Will
it
come
at
the
same
time
or
do
you
have
any
other
information
for
us
on
how
that'll
work.
F
I
don't
know
if
don
has
more
information
with
respect
to
the
dc
bylaws
schedule
for
the
update,
but
certainly
with
respect
to
relationships
between
the
zoning
between
the
land
use
between
development
charges
between
cash
and
bill.
Parkland
of
doing
all
of
those
pieces.
There
is
significant
relationship
between
all
of
those
documents,
so
we
all
do
need
to
be
working
together
just
as
a
simple
codex
here.
F
C
H
Okay,
thank
you
for
that,
and
this
one
last
comment
is:
is
we're
gonna
be
undertaking
this
exercise?
It's
gonna
be
a
lot
of
work
for
city
staff,
a
lot
of
work
for
our
communities
and
for
council,
and
I
hope,
there's
been
a
lot
of
promises
made
through
the
op
process
around
this
around
tree
preservation,
our
green
space,
et
cetera.
H
A
lot
of
that
has
been
referred
to
this
process,
and
so
another
plea
I
think
to
for
us
to
defend
this
when
it
is
done
that
we
we
hold
it
up
and
say
this
is
brand
new.
Let's
defend
what
we're
putting
forward
as
much
as
possible
applications
are
allowed
to
come
in,
of
course,
but
this
will
be
really
important
to
to
get
behind
and
and
stick
to
what
we
say
when
we
do
it.
So
thank
you
again,
mr
wise,
mr
wire,
and
back
to
you,
chair.
B
B
J
J
J
J
J
What
what
that
caused
other
than
the
than
the
noise,
obviously
that
there
was
also
the
the
construction
which
creates
a
lot
of
I'll
call
it
for
lack
of
a
better
term,
sometimes
some
sort
of
sand
type
dust
which
was
left
in
my
backyard.
All
my
neighbors
backyards,
the
patio.
You
know
the
patio
door,
windows,
the
bedroom
windows
and
the
constant
cleaning
was
intensely
labor,
labor-ish,
basically
and
had
to
be
done
often-
and
you
think
about
that.
J
That
was
for
at
least
you
know
for
a
year,
if
not
more
solid,
that
that
had
to
be
done
on
a
regular
basis.
So
obviously
winter
time
didn't
affect.
But
then
the
summer
time
it
was
painful
to
say
the
least
so
and
I'll
just
make
a
quick
comment
that
you
know
think
about
where
you're
living
right.
Now.
Sorry,
just
before
I
say
that
and
then
you
know,
a
five-story
building
went
behind
our
backyards,
basically
right
so
think
about
where
you
live.
J
J
The
with
the
fight
with
this,
the
new
building
that
was
created
in
2013.
This
has
created
an
amplified
sound
from
recycle
riverside
drive
traffic.
Before
I
never
heard
any
noise
now
I
hear
it
constantly
the
street
traffic
or
even
as
far
as
I
can't
remember,
the
park's
name
now
configuration
heights
as
far
as
that,
it's
an
unbelievable
actually
not
to
mention
I,
you
know,
loss
of
sunlight
as
well.
J
So
all
this
to
say,
you
know,
with
with
the
additional
construction
that
or
the
rezoning,
the
saint
patrick's
or
sorry
28
to
65
is
looking
to
do.
My
fear
is
all
this
will
be
another
nightmare
that
will
reoccur
as
to
where
I
live
notwithstanding
as
well.
I
know
this
is
not
on
the
topic
at
hand,
but
729
richwood
avenues
also
and
there's
also
a
zoning
bylaw
that
is,
is
planning
to
be
done,
I'm
not
sure
actually,
where
that
sits
right
now,
but
I
know
that's
forthcoming
as
well.
J
C
J
So
all
this
to
say
so,
if,
if
there's
basically,
if
this
I'm
not
sure,
hopefully
this
is
recorded,
what
I'm
saying
into
the
minutes,
but
I'm
not
sure
how
so
for
the
you
know
the
the
working
time
bylaw.
If
it's,
how
that's
going
to
be
respected,
if
there's
going
to
be
any
mess
that
I
will
incur
or
the
private
citizens
will
incur
residential,
I
should
say
that
will
incur
what
will
the
city
of
ottawa
or
the
construction
company
do
to
help
us
out
here.
J
E
I
like
to
host
not
just
an
information
meeting
before
it
comes
to
this
committee,
but
before
they
actually
start
construction,
I
host
a
construction
mitigation
meeting
with
the
contractor
and
local
residents
and
the
property
owner,
and
we
go
through
the
construction
timelines
and
we
talk
about
mitigation
efforts
to
ensure
that
the
impact
on
neighboring
residences
and
businesses
is
mitigated.
It's
not
never
perfect,
but
we
go
through
those
concerns.
That's
my
commitment
to
you.
E
J
E
E
J
So
my
last
question:
thank
you
for
that.
My
last
question
is:
how
did
this
get
approved
to
begin
with,
and
if
it's
too
long
of
an
answer,
then
we
can
talk
offline.
But
again
you
know
just
to
my
earlier
comment
about.
I
find
it
really
odd
that
a
five-star
building
would
get
built
adjacent
between
residential
homes,
commercial
property
that
to
me
I'm
baffled
again.
This
could
be
a
long
answer
and
a
sort
of
a
other
discussion
that
needs
to
happen,
but
I
find
it
really.
J
I
know
this
is
completely
different,
so
I
you
know
I
apologize
to
me.
I
don't
mean
necessarily
me
to
go
there
in
the
sense
that
this
is
a
different
topic,
because
it's
going
to
be,
I
believe,
facing
riverside,
but
still
you
know
I
I
find
it
difficult,
sometimes
to
understand
how
zonings
gets
approved,
and
maybe
it's
just
my
lack
of
knowledge.
That's
all.
B
Was
I
was
going
to
suggest
perhaps
that
that
is
a
question
that's
best
taken
offline
councillor
brockington
may
be
able
to
discuss
that
with
you
and
even
bring
into
the
conversation
some
of
the
city
planners
and
look
at
some
of
the
historical
discussions
and
decisions
for
for
this
area,
so
I
think
that
that
would
likely
be
the
best
route
to
take
steve.
Okay.
B
No
more
questions,
so
we
do
have
several
representatives
from
the
applicant
who
are
available
to
to
speak
and
answer
questions.
We
have
james
ireland
from
nova
tech,
anna
frolic
from
ccoc
and
cheryl
hummuth
and
janet
morris
from
st
patrick's
home
for
the
applicant.
Did
you
wish
to
make
to
provide
comments
in
the
committee
today
or
I'm
not
sure?
If
there's
any
questions
from
committee
members
in
particular,.
C
We
don't
have
anything
further
to
add,
except
to
say
that
this
is
the
zoning
amendment
application
and
obviously
the
site
plan
will
follow.
So
we
haven't
made
an
application
for
site
plan,
so
a
lot
of
issues
will
be
dealt
with
through
that
process
and
obviously
that
will
delay
construction.
I
would
expect
to
pass
this
spring
at
the
very
least,
but
if
there
is
any
other
questions
for
me,
I'm
happy
to
answer
otherwise,
I
believe
we're.
Okay,
thanks.
B
E
So
jared,
I
will
be
supporting
this
application.
I'm
proud
to
see
the
application
on
behalf
of
the
catholic
congregational
legacy
charity
for
phase
two
of
their
development,
the
original
saint
pat's
home,
which
was
built
on
the
location
we're
actually
talking
about
now,
came
down
in
2012
2013.
The
current
building
that
is
open
now
was
opened
in
2014,
and
it's
a
beautiful
building.
It's
a
long-term
care
home
and
phase
two.
The
proposal
before
us
today
is
not
a
long-term
care
home
per
se.
It's
more
of
an
apartment-style
building
that
will
provide
congregate,
living
opportunities.
E
There
will
be
affordable
housing
units
in
this
building
and
I
think
for
the
members
of
the
community
who
came
out
to
the
public
meeting
in
july.
That
was
an
attractive
feature
for
them.
They
really
like
to
see
that
this
is.
There
are
components
within
the
building
where
people
can
can
dine
together
and
be
together.
E
The
exact
opposite
side
from
the
delegation
we
just
heard,
I
think,
are
all
positive,
so
concerns
that
we're
raised
are
site
plan
related
and
I
certainly
work
with
the
applicant
in
the
community
when
we
get
to
the
site
plan.
But
as
far
as
the
planning
application.
I
think
this
is
a
very
good
fit
for
our
community,
where
we
want
to
see
a
diverse
mixed
dwelling
types
in
riverside
parkwanes
bay,
and
I
think
that
this
will
be
a
good
fit,
so
I'm
supportive
of
the
application.
B
B
C
K
Thank
you
counselor
for
the
question
to
staffs
to
staff's
thoughts
on
the
motion.
To
be
fair,
we
did
not
know
that
this
motion
was
coming
typically
in
in
assessing
an
application
today
for
129
catherine's
treat
it's
very
abnormal
to
tie
it
to
conditions
for,
or
a
situation
for,
another
site
that
the
the
applicant
happens
to
own.
K
So
I
believe
it's
staff's
position
that
we
would
not
support
the
motion
and
that
we're
here
today
to
deal
with
the
zoning
amendment
request
for
129
catherine
street,
and
I
did
want
to
speak
to
one
comment
from
the
counselor
in
our
opening
submission
on
construction
at
this
site.
At
catherine,
street
construction
actually
has
started
on
this
site.
The
project
was,
is
already
formed
and
built
and
wrapped
in
tyvek,
as
you
can
see
in
my
presentation,
but
we
should
be
focusing
on
this
application
at
hand.
K
I
appreciate
the
counselors
concerns
on
the
long
long
history
and
frustrating
history
at
somerset
house,
but
it's
our
position
that
we
should
be
focusing
on
the
matter
at
hand,
and
I
don't
know
how
to
give
you
that
answer
counselor
on
what
that
proof
would
be.
With
respect
to
somerset
house
being
advanced
far
enough,
thank
you.
C
Okay,
so,
and-
and
I
I
appreciate
that,
I
appreciate
your
expertise
on
it.
I
think
that
you
know
the
the
history
of
somerset
house
and
the
adjacent
properties,
although
it
was
mentioned
in
this
motion,
has
been
widely
reported,
I
recall,
being
a
reporter
and
having
covered
this
very
story,
and
we
know
of
the
neglect
and
the
damage
that
it
caused
to
something
that
could
have
been
a
wonderful
heritage
building.
C
So
I
don't
like
rewarding
bad
behavior
in
respect
to
property
owners
that
have
preside
over
a
heritage
structure
or
anything
else
for
that
matter,
especially
when
they're
flouting
city
rules
and
regulations
in
other
respects.
So,
while
I
respect
simon
your
comments
about
how
we
should
look
at
this
one
application,
I
think
in
in
the
greater
greater
good
it
does
tie
in
to
past
history
and
precedence
in
terms
of
this
property
owner,
I
I
will
be
supporting
deferral
I
do
would
like.
D
D
D
I
Menard's
word
with
west
coast
video,
and
we
have,
in
my
in
my
ward
at
26,
60
south
fail
crescent,
problematic
property
owners,
and
so
I
understand
that-
and
I
I
see
your
opportunity
here
to
send
a
strong
message
to
the
property
owner
that
you
have
an
application
on
this
property.
But
we
still
have
concerns.
I
I
G
I
G
I
Thank
you
for
that,
and
my
last
question
I
guess
is
to
is
to
counsel
mckinney
and
and
it's
it
amplifies
what
councillor
dudas
said
and
maybe
we
could
take
it
offline.
You
know
what
is
a
serious
proposal.
What
is
the
proof
that
the
property
owner
can
be
responsible?
It's
I
I
would
just.
I
want
to
be
supportive.
I
Absolutely
because
again
we
have
so
few
tools,
but,
and
perhaps
we
could
have
that
that
conversation
counselor
mckinney
as
to
what
your
expectations
are,
because
I
certainly
somerset
house
is
certainly
an
important
parcel
of
land
at
bank
and
somerset
and
we
do
want
to
see
it
improved
and
in
that
property
use.
So
I,
if
we
could
connect
on
that
yeah,
I
would
appreciate
it
chairs.
Thank
you.
Merci.
H
Very
much
chair,
it's
important.
I
think
that
that
we
start
to
get
a
little
more
tough
with
property
owners
who
keep
decrepit
buildings
like
this
in
our
in
our
city,
and
it's
not
just
that.
It's
the
ones
that
float
the
rules
on
a
regular
basis
through
property
standards,
and
otherwise
we
have
so
many
cases
of
that.
H
I
have
several
in
my
ward,
where
a
developer
comes
in,
puts
something
up
that
wasn't
agreed
to
whether
through
committee
of
adjustment
or
the
the
site
plan
they
asked
for,
or
they
just
simply
put
in
extra
bedrooms.
For
example,
we've
got
property
owners
that
keep
decrepit
buildings
on
our
main
streets
for
a
very
very
long
time.
H
We
need
to
be
looking
at
expropriation
for
that
building.
We
need
to
be
pushing
for
expropriation
of
that
building
and
we
have.
We
do
have
the
option
to
expropriate,
but
as
councilor
mckinney
says
it
is,
is
not
easy,
but
this
this
committee,
I
think,
should
be
sending
a
message
and
I
understand
some
of
the
implications
with
individual
applications,
but
if
we
just
keep
going
on
this
route,
we're
going
to
continue
to
see
our
rules
flouted.
H
B
G
G
L
L
Also,
the
liabilities
on
us
and
he's
walking
away
with
all
the
money
he's
got
issues
with
that.
This
is
someone
who
does
not
play
by
the
rules,
so
why
should
we
be
expected
to
as
well
there's
a
long
history
on
this
simon
mentioned
that
there's
tyvek
rap
on
it?
The
tyvek
rap
went
up
in
april
of
2019
or
at
least
before
april
2019,
and
before
that
there
was
other
tyvek
wrap
on
the
building.
L
L
L
And
you
know,
maybe
we
shouldn't
maybe
it's
wrong
to
tie
this
property
to
the
other,
but
this
person
does
nothing
for
us.
They
never
have.
I've
sat
on
built,
hair
and
subcommittee
since
we
created
the
committee
in
2012..
This
keeps
on
coming
back
new
drawings.
He
had
richard
schmiel
great
architect,
richard
schmiel.
In
my
opinion,
tony
k
wasted
richard
shmeal's
time
because
richard
schmiel
brought
forward
a
great
project
for
this
property
in
2013
and
then
more
submitted
drawings
in
2017,
but
still
nothing.
L
L
But
you
can't
let
people
like
this
keep
on
running
rough
shot
over
our
rules,
our
elected
officials,
I
mean
how
many
times
have
we
talked
about
this
councilor
mckenny,
mayor
watson,
about
this
property
and
even
before
them.
This
predates
almost
our
entire
council
membership,
this
issue,
so
whatever
we
can
do
to
hold
this
guy
to
some
sort
of
account
that
we
have
such
limited
ability
to
do,
then
we
should
take
that
opportunity.
E
E
What's
the
city
strategy
we
reach
out
to
the
applicant
and
say
the
committee's
put
this
on
the
side
burner.
We
want
you
to
address
issues.
Do
you
come
back
to
this
committee
to
give
us
an
update?
Is
this
a
binding
deferral
that
we
don't
want
to
hear
until
they've
actually
made
some
concrete
progress?
Talk
me
through
this.
E
When
do
we
conclude?
Well,
that's
that's
sufficient.
We
now
want
to
bring
this
back
to
committee.
Like
I
I
don't.
Oh
ideally,
I
don't
want
to
go
to
appeal.
Ideally,
I
want
the
owner
to
address
the
issues
that
counselor
mckinney's
concerned
about
that
we're
all
concerned
about.
But
at
what
point
do
we
conclude
all
right?
They've
made
sufficient
progress,
we're
now
going
to
revisit
their
application
for
catherine
street
and
we're
going
to
deal
with
that
application
outside
of
an
appeal,
because
I
think
we
should
avoid
the
peel
at
all
costs.
E
Okay,
so
I
think
that
has
to
you
know:
counselor
mckenna,
you've
heard
that
I
I
think
that
a
landowner
goes
to
appeal
and
his
appeal
is
successful.
Nothing
that's
outstanding
gets
addressed,
because
the
appeal
will
only
deal
with
the
application
right
and
nothing.
None
of
the
outstanding
matters
will
be
germane
to
the
appeal
that
appeals
about
catherine
street
application,
and
so
I
agree
with
our
limited
tool
chest.
This
is
one
thing
that
catherine
mckinney
is
proposing
to
try
and
force
them
to
address
some
of
those
outstanding
issues.
E
A
Thanks
chair,
so
colleagues,
I
I
don't
know
the
legalities
of
this,
but
what
I
do
know
is
that
if
we
give
this
developer
permission
today
through
zoning
for
a
new
project
from
which
they
will
profit,
that
will
only
diminish
trust,
I'm
no
stranger
to
recalcitrant
heritage,
property
owners.
I
know
how
difficult
it
is
to
do
my
job
as
a
city
councilor,
when
I'm
forced
to
throw
up
my
hands
and
plead
process.
A
I
know
the
degree
to
which
residents
find
that
frustrating
they
feel
as
if
the
city
doesn't
have
their
back
and
dealing
with
the
matter
of
catherine
street
today
is
is
just
going
to
make
it
that
much
more
difficult
for
us
to
win
the
trust
of
our
residents,
that
we've
got
their
back
and
I'm
I'm
more
than
happy,
regardless
of
what
the
the
legal
outcome
might
be
to
support.
Catherine
in
in
this
motion
today,.
D
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
chair
yeah,
just
very
quickly.
I
just
want
to
thank
everyone
for
their
their
comments
today
and,
for
you
know,
just
you're
thinking
around
somerset
house.
I
mean
it
really
is
it's
a
part
four
heritage
building.
It
is
a
prime
example
of
demolition
by
neglect.
I
do
believe
at
this
point
that
is
the
the
goal
of
of
the
owner,
and
we
just
cannot
allow
that
to
happen
in
in
our
city.
You
know
this
is
in
front
of
us
as
a
bylaw
is
only
by-law
amendment.
D
D
This
is
an
owner
who
is
shown
time
and
time
and
time
again
year
after
year
that
he
is
not
willing
to
essentially
be
a
good
neighbor,
and
I
say
that
when
I
respond
to
residents
or
when
I
walk
down
bank
near
somerset
down
somerset
near
bank
or
the
other
way,
I
get
stopped
almost
every
time.
I
actually
sometimes
avoid
that
corner
when
I'm,
when
I'm
out
walking,
because
people
do
not
understand
as
counselor
we
percent
they
do
not
understand
that.
We
just
don't
have
the
tools
to
compel
outside
of
expropriation.
D
We
don't
have
to
compel
a
developer.
You
know
without
a
but
an
empty
buildings
bylaw
to
actually
do
something
with
their
with
their
property.
So
it
it
it
is.
It
is
not
conventional.
I
understand
that.
What
is
proof
you
know
what
that's
that
that
will
be
a
political
decision
at
some
point
if
we
get
an
application
in
front
of
us,
if
it's
serious,
if
he's
moving
forward
on
site
plan,
perhaps
that's
the
time
and
that
will
be
for
for
us
to
to
decide
again.
D
B
Chair
thanks
counselor,
I
support
you
on
this.
I
actually
think
your
motion
does
define
when
it's
appropriate
to
consider
this
catherine
street
file.
Again
you
you
mentioned
in
the
motion,
the
property
owner
being
a
responsible,
downtown
property
owner
and
committing
to
deliverable
plans
to
really
rehabilitate
somerset
house.
So
you've
got
two
conditions
there.
It's
around
plans
to
rehabilitate
somerset
house
and
in
the
preamble
to
your
your
motion.