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Environment and Climate Protection Committee meeting - March 26, 2018 - Audio Stream
Agenda and background materials can be found at http://www.ottawa.ca/agendas.
A
A
Good
morning,
partial
to
old
revenue
or
rainy
on
the
committee,
so
Andiamo
is
la
protección
climatic.
Welcome
to
the
meeting
of
26
March
2018
of
the
Environment
and
climate
protection
committee,
I'd
like
to
remind
everyone
that
you,
those
who
may
have
come
with
the
intention
to
speak
as
delegations
to
any
of
the
items
please
register
at
the
desk
so
that
we
have
your
requests.
Anyone
who
may
have
a
PowerPoint
presentation.
You
should
also
indicate
that
to
our
staff
at
the
desk,
so
that
that
can
get
loaded
up.
A
A
See
so
if
we've
got
we
have
quorum
Bruce
here,
I
also
would
like
to
remind
you.
There
was
one
other
thing
that
was
that
long
pause
we
have
simultaneous
translation,
I
believe
live
today.
A
loss
si
vous
voulez
Palais
on
Jose
Jana,
preserved
new
key
key
compen
set
off
at
now,
Jose
made
Desert
key
keyboard
is
equity,
hello,
civil
apollyon
Jose,
as
well
as
a
piece
assorted.
We
just
a
reminder
that
it
will
be
translated
simultaneously.
A
So
if
anyone
wants
to
follow
in
French
and
cannot
do
so,
please
help
yourself
to
the
to
the
headphones
over
there
to
my
right
right.
Dirk.
Do
we
have
declarations
of
interest?
Anyone
seeing
none
confirmation
of
minutes
from
the
meeting
of
Tuesday
20th
of
February
2018?
Are
those
received
see?
Thank
you.
We
have
communications
response
to
two
inquiries
that
we
have
received.
Are
those
received
yep?
A
Thank
you.
We
have
three
agenda
items
and
in
IPD
which
would
not
be
held
unless
someone
wanted
to
lift
it
going
through
the
consent
agenda.
First
of
all,
Community
Energy
Innovation
Fund.
We
do
have
one
speaker
to
that
item,
so
we
will
hold
that
one
believe.
It's
just
the
one
speaker
at
the
moment:
item
number
to
clean
water
and
wastewater
fund
transfer
of
funds
between
approved
projects.
A
Side
item
carried
carried
item.
Three.
To
nobody's
surprise,
we
will
hold
for
a
presentation
first
from
staff,
then
from
the
Auditor
General,
and
then
we
will
go
to
delegations.
I'll
probably
remind
you
again
when
we
go
to
that
to
that
item,
that
we
will
not
take
questions
to
staff
right
after
their
presentations
or
during
the
delegations.
B
C
A
So
that
was
just
a
question
of
whether
the
auditor-general
will
stay
I
believe
that
was
the
intention
so
that
staff
can
are
so
that
committee
members
can
ask
questions.
So
returning
then,
to
item
number
one:
the
Community
Energy
Innovation
Fund.
We
have
Stu
Campania,
who
wanted
to
speak
to
to
that
item.
A
A
D
D
But
what
I
really
wanted
to
get
into
some
of
the
context
here,
which
is
that
many
of
fellow
carbon
6
1-3
members
have
already
set
these
targets
in
the
range
of
15
to
20
percent
reduction
over
10
years,
having
committed
to
something
on
the
order
of
3,000
tons
of
co2
equivalent
to
be
reduced
by
2028
or
so
additionally,
urban.
Six
one
three
is
one
out
of
seven
sister
organizations
across
the
province
of
Ontario
under
the
umbrella
of
an
organization
called
sustainability,
co-op
in
sustainability.
D
Collab,
there
are
many
municipalities
who
are
also
working
with
these
target
based
sustainability
programs
towards
setting
greenhouse
gas
reduction
targets
so
that
the
city
of
Waterloo,
City
of
Hamilton,
Pickering,
Durham,
Region,
Kingston,
York,
Region,
etc,
and
many
of
these
have
SSO
set
targets
and
are
working
towards
these
greenhouse
gas
reduction
targets
and
I.
Think
a
worthwhile
aside
here
that
we're
going
to
be
speaking
to
water
and
and
waste
water
and
waste
later
in
their
committee
meeting.
D
These
things
account
for
a
significant
percentage
of
Ottawa's
overall
corporate
emissions,
so
I
think
worth
keeping
that
in
mind
as
well.
But
but
what
I
wanted
to
to
highlight
and
underline
is
that
there
are
members
of
Ottawa's
business
community
as
well
as
municipalities
across
the
province,
who
are
looking
to
your
example
here
and
are
very
interested
in
the
work
that
the
city
of
ours
done
and
are
very
pleased
with,
with
all
of
us
leadership
on
sustainability
issues.
A
Thank
you
very
much.
Do
we
have
any
questions
for
the
delegation
from
committee
members?
No
seeing
none
I!
Thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
to
attend
today
and
for
the
work
you're
doing
with
carbon
six
one
three
I
know
the
city
has
got
a
lot
of
useful
information
and
tools
from
from
what
you
provide
and
from
the
networking
with
other
members
of
the
organization,
Thank.
A
Moving
into
the
main
event
for
today,
source
separated
organics
program,
update
I
would
like
to
set
a
bit
of
context.
First,
with
some
opening
remarks,
then
I'd
like
to
read
onto
the
record
a
motion
that
I
am
bringing
which
I
believe
will
address
some
of
the
things
well,
some
of
the
things
we've
been
hearing
and
are
likely
to
hear
from
our
delegations,
so
I
thought
it
good
to
get
it
right
out
there
from
the
beginning.
A
So
we'll
know
that
that
it's
going
to
be
considered
by
committee
to
start
with
I
just
want
to
remind
everyone
that
the
city
has
been
in
contract
with
Orgaworld
for
approaching
a
decade
now
and
I.
Don't
think
we'll
be
a
surprise
to
anyone
for
me
to
say
that
contract
has
not
served
the
city
or
the
taxpayers
particularly
well.
We
have
spent
a
lot
of
time
in
legal
processes
trying
to
make
improvements
to
the
contract.
A
A
So,
moving
forward
to
this
this
item,
we
will
have
a
fairly
substantial
presentation
from
from
staff
from
belief.
Kevin
Wylie
will
be
doing
most
of
that
to
a
mill
and
journal
as
well
and
tempting
as
it
is
to
ask
questions
immediately
because
I'm
sure
they'll
have
some.
No
no
I
will
not
accept
them.
We
will
then
move
to
the
Auditor
General
I'm,
not
sure,
if
he's
here
already
yet
mr.
A
Hughes-
yes,
yes,
there,
we
are
thank
you
and
and
then
he
will
have
a
presentation
as
I
said
already,
but
we'll
repeat,
we
still
will
be
taking
questions
at
that
point.
We
will
go
to
delegations
and
go
through
those
at-rich
points.
We,
of
course,
will
take
questions
to
those
delegations,
but
then,
probably
depending
on
timing,
probably
have
a
break
before
we
come
back
to
questions
of
staff
and
that's
how
I
intend
to
proceed
this
morning,
I'm
going
to
find
the
motion
that
I
have
thank
you
very
much.
A
A
A
And
whereas,
although
the
expanded
green
bin
program
will,
if
approved,
accept
compostable
plastic
bags,
the
City
of
Ottawa
is
not
currently
in
a
position
to
accept
compostable
plastic
products
or
packaging
in
green
bins
due
to
the
untested
impacts
in
order
worlds.
Aerobic
process
and
the
increased
risk
of
introducing
contamination
for
the
new
waste
stream.
Noting
that
biodegradable
degradable
and
compostable
do
not
process
the
same
way,
though,
consumers
may
see
them
as
interchangeable,
including
cost
implications
of
doing
so.
A
And
whereas
the
province
has
identified
the
need
to
consider
at
the
end-of-life
measurement
and
recovery
of
compostable
plastic
products
in
packaging.
In
its
draft
policy
statement
for
the
proposed
food
and
organic
waste
framework,
but
has
yet
to
identify
specific
standards
or
practices
to
govern
this
new
waste
stream
and
whereas,
in
the
absence
of
clear
provincial
direction
to
stakeholders
and
producers,
and
given
the
recognition
of
the
longer-term
need
to
make
progress
on
this
issue,
municipalities
like
Toronto,
are
developing
proposed
policies
and
criteria.
A
They
were
used
to
consider
accepting
new
materials
into
their
waste.
Diversion
programs,
including
the
processing
technology
for
these
waste
streams,
therefore
be
resolved.
That
staff
investigate
the
feasibility
of
expanding
ottawa's
green
bin
program
to
accept
new
items
for
accept,
for
example,
compostable,
coffee,
pods
and
compostable
cutlery
within
the
first
two
years
of
the
expanded
program
and
its
staff
report
back
to
Council
on
their
findings
as
part
of
the
broader
waste
diversion
report
coming
to
Council
in
2019.
E
You,
chair
and
members
of
committee
we're
here
today
to
talk
to
you
about
enhancements
to
the
city's
source
separated
organics
program
that
are
known
as
the
green
bin
program
staff
have
worked
with
Orgaworld
management
to
provide
an
option
that
improves
contract
terms
and
enhances
ret
services
for
residents.
In
this
presentation,
we
will
walk
through
the
elements
of
the
new
enhanced
contract
compared
to
the
current
contract
and
highlight
value
to
residents,
as
well
as
review
other
evaluated
options
for
your
consideration.
E
The
green
bin
currently
accepts
household
organic
food,
waste,
soil
paper,
products,
kitty,
litter,
animal
bedding
and
leaf
and
yard
waste.
Since
the
start
of
the
program
over
533
tons
of
organic
waste
have
indirect
diverted
from
landfill,
the
current
organic
diversion
rate
is
40
percent
and
the
participation
rate
is
52
percent
for
curbside
collection,
the
average
costs
per
household
for
all
waste
diversion
and
garbage
programs
is
about
$35
74
cents
per
year
and
in
2012,
garbage
pickup
moved
to
every
other
week
to
encourage
diversion
the
collection
of
organic
leaf
and
yard
waste
together.
E
The
city
contracts
Orgaworld
canada
to
possess
organic
waste
at
their
Hawthorne
Road
facility
following
a
competitive
procurement
process
in
2007,
a
20-year
contract
between
Orgaworld
in
the
city
was
signed
in
March
of
2008.
The
city's
is
currently
in
year.
Aid
of
a
20-year
contract
that
has
been
difficult
from
the
start.
Legal
proceedings
started
almost
immediately
on
both
sides
over
leaf
and
yard
waste,
which
was
decided
in
the
city's
favor.
However,
our
NGO
world
is
challenging
that
decision.
E
Another
proceeding
over
processing
capacity
and
quality
of
end
product
is
currently
on
hold,
but
if
the
city
and
org
world
are
unable
to
come
to
resolution,
this
will
likely
continue
in
2014.
There
was
an
audit
of
procurement
practices
related
to
the
source
separated
organics
contract,
which
revealed
the
contracts
underlining
assumptions
were
flawed
with
the
city
overpaying
for
service
it
receives
and
council
not
receiving
accurate
or
complete
information
prior
to
the
contract
award.
E
In
the
2014
audit,
the
auditor
presented
the
following
key
findings
related
to
the
SSO
contract.
The
auditor
found
that
the
pure
pay
threshold
of
80,000
tonnes
was
unrealistic
and
unsupported
by
evidence,
resulting
in
premiums
being
paid
for
unused
capacity
and
leaking
yard
waste
processing.
The
data
provided
to
council
was
not
interpreted
correctly
or
was
incomplete
and
the
potential
savings
for
internal
processing
of
leaf
and
yard
waste
was
overlooked.
There
was
also
a
failure
to
include
a
ramp
up
period
that
would
progressively
allow
the
city
to
work
towards
the
porter
pay
threshold.
E
The
audit
also
found
that
management
failed
to
exercise
due
diligence
in
the
RFP
process
and
that
communications
to
council
were
unclear
and
ambiguous
concerning
the
size
the
facility
size
outlined
in
the
RFP
and
the
ease
of
achieving
a
hundred
thousand
tons
annually
during
the
lifetime
of
the
contract.
In
addition,
the
2011
audit
of
corporate
communications
function
found
that
the
SSO
program
communication
communication
strategy
did
not
properly
identify
target
audiences
and
that
the
most
effective
methods
for
reaching
those
audiences
were
not
adequately
assessed
or
pursued.
E
As
a
result
of
the
SSO
audit,
the
Auditor
General
directed
staff
to
examine
the
impact
and
cost
of
exercising
the
early
termination
clause
and
assess
other
service
delivery
options.
As
a
result
of
that
direction,
staff
engaged
Dylan
consulting
to
research,
current
alternative,
organic
processing
technologies
to
examine
the
cost
program,
implications
and
benefits
of
different
organic
streams
and
collection,
approaches
to
review
the
local
organics
processing
market
capacity,
to
assess
the
feasibility
of
designing,
building
and
operating
a
city-owned
organics
facility
and
to
forecast
tonnage
--is
to
2030
for
all
organic
streams.
E
In
addition
to
the
contractual
issues
and
findings
of
the
2014
audit,
the
legislative
and
organizational
context
was
also
changing.
In
2016,
the
province
enacted
new
legislation
governing
all
waste
programs
through
bill
151,
the
waste-free
Ontario
Act.
The
legislation
represented
significant
phase
changes
for
all
aspects
of
garbage
collection
and
disposal.
Waste
diversion
and
resource
recovery
already
in
place.
Staff
will
be
briefing
Council
on
the
new
legislation
later
this
year,
but
specific
impacts
to
the
green
bin
program
from
the
provincial
legislation
are
a
proposed
ban
of
organics
in
landfill.
E
Responding
to
the
auditors
recommendations
and
considering
the
new
provincial
legislation,
staff
reviewed
the
service
delivery
options
and
are
recommending
an
enhanced
contract
with
Orgaworld
for
the
remaining
12
years
of
the
contract.
It
is
important
to
note,
as
the
chair
said,
that,
before
we
present
the
elements
of
the
enhanced
contract
that
it
needs
to
be
considered
by
committee
and
council
as
a
whole,
although
each
provision
is
explained
separately,
they
must
be
voted
on
as
a
package.
Any
amendments
would
require
full
renegotiation
with
org
World.
E
E
Payments
for
unused
capacity
until
about
2022
normally
does
the
reduce,
put
or
pay
avoid
future
payments,
but
it
addresses
the
auditors
concern
of
paying
for
unused
tonnage
and
provides
a
city
with
a
management
threshold
to
work
with
in
the
existing
contract.
The
contract
contained
ambiguous
language
and
there
is
no
trigger
to
discuss
capacity,
expansion
or
alternative
processing
technologies,
limiting
the
city's
ability
to
leverage
changes
in
the
marketplace
in
the
enhanced
contract.
E
The
language
is
clear
and
specific,
and
there
is
a
trigger
to
discuss
expansion
of
alternative
processing
technologies
when
the
city
hits
about
85,000
tons
per
year.
This
is
non-binding.
In
the
existing
contract
there
will
be
continued
legal
proceedings
with
associated
cost
in
the
enhanced
contract.
All
legal
proceedings
will
end
in
the
existing
contract
or
the
world
is
expected
to
produce.
Compost
in
the
enhanced
contract
or
gold
Orgaworld
will
produce
beneficial
use
products,
including
compost
and
other
products
for
agricultural
purposes.
E
E
In
the
existing
contract,
household
organics
and
leaf
and
yard
waste
are
processed
together
at
110
dollars
per
ton,
with
the
option
to
include
plastic
bags
in
dog
waste
at
150
$1
per
ton,
which
costs
approximately
84
cents
more
for
the
average
household
per
month.
In
the
enhanced
contract,
plastic
bags
and
dog
waste
are
included
in
the
green
bin
program
at
a
rate
of
124
dollars
per
ton,
a
difference
of
27
dollars
per
ton
compared
to
the
existing
contract.
This
cost
will
average
households
only
15
cents
per
month
in
the
existing
contract.
E
The
yuck
factor
was
identified
by
residents
as
the
primary
barrier
to
using
the
green
bin.
In
fact,
participation
rates
show
about
half
of
residents
are
using
their
green
bin
and
staff
estimate.
Only
about
40%
of
curbside
household
organics
are
being
placed
in
the
green
bin,
and
this
figure
does
not
include
multi
residential
units
or
buildings,
for
which
diversion
rates
are
much
much
lower
in
the
enhanced
contract.
Dog
waste
and
household
organics
can
be
enclosed
in
plastic
bags,
reducing
the
yuck
factor
and
need
to
purchase
separate
bags
for
the
green
bin
in
the
existing
contract.
E
The
enhanced
contract
provides
better
service
and
value
for
taxpayers.
It
eliminates
unnecessary
cost,
estimated
to
be
2.7
million
dollars
till
2022
and
lowers
the
minimum
tonnage
of
organics
that
the
city
must
provide
to
Orgaworld
by
5,000
tons
per
year.
It
eliminates
future
litigation
costs
and
provides
the
best
value
proposition
for
the
city.
E
The
service
enhancements
will
cost
only
15
cents
more
per
household
per
month
and
we're
receiving
a
reduction
for
the
inclusion
of
plastic
bags
and
dog
waste
of
roughly
two
point:
eight
million
dollars
in
year,
one
compared
to
the
current
contract
provisions
as
part
of
the
new
contract.
Orgaworld
is
investing
nine
point.
Four
million
dollars
in
organic
processing
facility
improvements,
of
which
three
point
nine
million
is
for
odor
control
and
processing.
Upgrades,
in
addition,
were
not
locked
into
any
contract
extensions,
and
the
enhanced
service
supports
extending
the
life
of
trail
Road
by
diverting
more
waste.
E
Starting
no
later
than
mid
2019,
it
addresses
the
primary
barrier
to
residential
reluctance
in
embracing
the
green
bin
by
eliminating
the
yuck
factor
and
there's
no
need
to
purchase
separate
bags
for
the
green
bin
staff
will
also
introduce
a
pilot
project
for
green
bins
and
dog
parks,
starting
at
the
same
time
of
the
service
enhancements.
At
this
point
in
time,
staff
is
not
recommending
to
include
compostable
packaging
plastic
packaging
such
as
compostable,
coffee,
pods
and
compostable
cutlery
in
the
green
bin
program.
E
E
The
enhanced
contract
is
also
better
for
the
environment
and
supports
councils
priority
of
environmental
sustainability.
The
program
enhancements
will
increase
the
amount
of
organic
waste
diverted
from
landfill,
which
will
be
repurposed
into
a
new
product.
Ensuring
a
sustainable
management
of
residential
waste
staff
also
expect
participation
to
increase,
because
the
service
enhancements
supporting
the
city
in
meeting
the
provincial
diversion
targets,
a
comprehensive
promotion
and
public
education
strategy
will
be
developed
to
emphasize
the
ease
and
benefits
of
the
expanded
program
to
increase
participation.
E
The
enhanced
contract
also
helps
divert
waste
from
the
landfill
accepting
more
materials
in
the
green
bin
and
making
it
more
convenient
to
package
them
in
plastic
bags
will
divert
more
waste
from
the
landfill
helping
extend
the
life
of
trail.
Road
residents
also
have
an
option
of
continuing
to
use
compostable
paper
bags.
Of
course,
diverting
waste
of
landfill
also
reduces
methane
emissions.
Organic
matter
produces
methane
and
carbon
dioxide
when
it
decomposes
in
the
landfill
and
well,
the
city's
trail
world
landfill
captures
landfill
gas
and
produces
electricity
from
it.
There's
still
some
gas
that
escapes
the
system.
E
The
enhanced
contract
also
targets
increased
participation
in
multi
residential
units.
Currently,
approximately
435
of
over
1,600
multi
reza
staff
will
develop
a
working
group
with
interested
building
owners,
managers,
condo
boards
and
landlord
associations
to
include
more
buildings
in
the
program
with
the
acceptance
of
plastic
bags
to
store
and
transport
organics
occupants
of
multi
rez
Belding's
can
more
easily
participate
in
diverting
waste
from
the
landfill.
E
The
recommended
option
also
addresses
the
auditors
recommendations
from
the
2014
SSO
audit
as
part
of
the
post
audit
activities,
staff
engaged
a
consultant
to
develop
tonnage
projections
for
each
stream
of
the
organics
until
2030
and
the
ten
inches
were
adjusted
to
account
for
what
the
city
actually
sent
to
Orgaworld.
The
proto
pay
threshold
will
be
reduced
to
75,000
tons
at
the
signing
of
the
contract,
eliminating
approximately
2.7
million
in
future
payments
to
our
world
for
unneeded
capacity
and
processing
of
separately,
collected,
leaf
and
yard
waste.
E
As
part
of
the
auditors
recommendations,
staff
conducted
an
options,
analysis
of
the
following
alternatives
to
the
current
contract.
The
first
option
evaluated
was
continuing
with
the
current
contract
the
status
quo.
With
this
option,
the
city
would
continue
payments
to
our
world
for
unachieved
to
put
a
pay
and
it
would
be
difficult
to
meet
the
provincial
and
city
diversion
targets.
Litigation
will
also
continue
on
both
sides
the
year.
One
cost
for
this
option
would
be
eight
point:
nine
million
dollars.
E
The
second
option
evaluated
was
to
find
another
service
provider
staff
found
that
there's
insignificant
capacity
in
the
local
market
within
about
a
hundred
kilometres
to
process.
The
amount
of
organics
currently
collected
in
Ottawa
the
most
viable
option
only
has
about
30,000
tons
of
excess
capacity,
and
while
the
basic
processing
rate
is
comparable,
the
distance
adds
cost
for
transfer
stations
and
haulage.
This
option
also
requires
contract
termination,
which
would
likely
cause
an
additional
dispute
and
possible
period
of
non
service.
E
E
The
third
option
evaluated
was
building
and
operating
a
city-owned
organics
processing
facility.
This
option
would
require
significant
capital
costs
of
approximately
forty
seven
and
a
half
million
dollars
for
anaerobic
facility
and
sixty
seven
and
a
half
million
dollars
for
an
anaerobic
facility.
Until
the
facility
was
built,
all
organics
would
be
sent
to
trail
Road.
This
option
would
also
require
contract
termination
the
year
one
costs
for
anaerobic
facility
would
be
about
ten
million
dollars
and
twenty
1
million
dollars
for
an
anaerobic
facility.
E
The
pound
upon
council
approval
staff
would
execute
an
implement
an
implementation
plan
to
meet
the
following.
Enhanced
service
launch
timelines.
The
reduce
footer
pay
threshold
of
75,000
tons
would
begin
in
q2
2018,
so
the
city
could
stop
payments
for
unachieved
per
pay
at
that
time.
In
2018
and
2019
and
subject
to
MO
ECC
approvals,
alga
will
will
start
making
capital
investments
for
odor
control
and
accepting
of
plastic
bags
at
their
Hawthorne
Road
facility
no
later
than
mid
2019.
The
enhanced
service
of
including
plastic
bags
and
dog
waste
in
the
green
bin
would
begin.
E
This
is
also
when
the
new
processing
fee
would
start.
An
odor
mitigation
plan
will
also
be
developed
by
Orgaworld
that
identifies
processes
to
control
odors
and
a
new
odor
control
system
will
be
put
in
place
in
the
Heartland
Road
facility
staff
are
also
mindful
of
the
Auditor
General's
past
communications
audit
and
found
fault
in
the
planning
and
executing
of
the
communications
supporting
the
green
bin
program.
E
A
promotion
and
Public
Engagement
strategy
will
be
developed
to
promote
and
the
program
enhancements
and
inform
residents
staff
are
developing
a
comprehensive
public
information
campaign
emphasizing
the
ease
and
benefits
of
the
enhanced
program
to
increase
participation.
Clear
messaging
to
residents
will
be
developed.
Staff
are
working
with
public
information
and
media
relations
on
all
promotion
and
public
education.
That
will
be
time
to
proxxon
a
proper
appropriately
to
enhance
to
the
enhanced
service
launch
a
pilot
program
for
green
bins
and
dog
parks.
E
E
We
have
here
an
infographic
showing
all
the
items
residents
can
use
to
collect
their
household
organics
and
then
place
them
in
the
green
bin.
Items
includes
starting
from
the
top
left
cereal
and
cracker
boxes,
tissue
boxes,
cardboard,
takeout
containers
residents
can
use
paper
products
like
paper
grocery
and
tako
bags,
compostable
paper
bags
and,
of
course,
newspaper
residents
will
also
be
able
to
use
compostable
plastic
bags,
milk
bags,
plastic,
grocery
bags
and
plastic
fruit
and
veggie
bags,
like
the
ones
you
put
your
produce
in
at
the
grocery
store.
E
We
still
strongly
encourage
residents
to
use
paper
bags,
but
with
the
increased
number
of
options
for
disposing
of
household
organics,
more
residents
can
conveniently
use
their
green
bin
and
increase
diversion
rates
in
our
city.
This
concludes
the
presentation.
We
look
forward
to
taking
your
questions
on
the
recommended
option
for
the
city's
green
bin
program
and
what
we
presented
here
today.
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
while
you
do
look
forward
to
taking
questions,
I
remind
everyone
again
now
before
little
while
yet
so.
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
thorough
presentation
and
I
know.
Members
of
committee
will
have
question
chip
questions
for
you,
so
if
we
could
now
do
our
swap
to
the
other
general
welcome
mr.
Hughes.
A
C
Moser
Mishler
Plessy
Dammam
sequence.
A
morning
chair
and
members
of
council
Jews
assert,
neutral
broth,
kuzuri,
o
mentor,
Dellavedova
verification.
The
program
today
share
unique
superior
the
source,
the
bureau,
the
verificar
general
examine
actual
actual
mononym
is
the
iran
table.
Is
a
science
program?
Do
a
organics,
a
paralysis.
The
personnel
delegate
will
be
very
brief
today.
C
C
The
objectives
of
the
review
first
were
to
satisfy
the
commitment
that
I
made
to
Council
on
the
9th
of
July
2014
to
review
staffs
analysis.
Second,
to
provide
you
with
assurance
on
both
the
reasonableness
of
the
key
figures
and
assumptions
in
the
business
case
and
the
accuracy
of
the
calculations.
The
scope
overview
was
the
March
5th
2018
version
of
staffs
or
separate
organics
program
business
case.
This
business
case
is
one
of
the
source
documents
upon
which
task
record
to
your
based.
C
La
razón
por
su
presentation
with
the
Darnell
committee
de
la
vela,
a
doula
potato
somatic.
They
tell
their
boss
modern,
nor
examined
premium
Oh
doctor
doctor,
a
very
Tammany
Spandau,
new
novel,
completed
or
pork,
or
soon
not
examine
mr.
ed,
minor
verification
or
general
as
well
present
era.
This
presentation
is
to
brief
the
the
environment
and
comet
Protection
Committee
on
the
status
of
our
review
of
the
business
case
done
by
staff.
Mr.
ed
minor,
deputy
Auditor
General
will
provide
this
brief
update.
G
I'll
now
go
through
the
status
of
our
review.
First,
our
review
work
is
complete.
However,
we
have
not
yet
completed
our
report
on
the
review
that
we've
that
we've
completed,
but
we
have
completed
the
work.
Second,
in
our
review,
we
did
identify
some
concerns
with
the
business
case.
We
abbrevs
in
one
case
they
reran
an
alternative
scenario
using
different
assumptions
in
order
to
determine
the
impact
for
us.
G
However,
the
concerns
that
we
have
identified
are
not
significant
enough
to
change
staffs
overall
recommendation.
These
include
the
figures
that
they
reran
for
us.
The
alternative
scenario
also
supported
the
same
option
being
the
revised
contract
with
order
world.
We
will
be
preparing
a
report
on
our
review
and
the
report
will
include
recommendations
to
improve
the
city's
business
case
processes
and
analysis
going
forward,
and
our
report
will
be
issued
at
a
later
date.
C
A
Thank
you
very
much.
You
did
promise
short
lots
of
people
do
that,
but
you
actually
did
it.
So.
Thank
you.
I
know
there
will
be
questions
I'm
hearing
some
of
them
around
me
already,
but
we
will
stick
to
our
proposed
agenda,
and
so
we
are
able
to
move
quite
quickly
into
into
delegations.
Then
so
I
will
get
that
list
in
front
of
me
here.
A
Okay,
we
start
with
is
Dave
Douglas
here,
they've
got
this
yes,
okay!
So
if
you
could
come
please
to
the
seat
on
my
right,
where
it
says
public
delegations
and
I
will
announce
the
lineup
in
advance
so
that
people
know
when
they're
coming.
Mr.
Douglas
will
be
followed
by
Christopher
MacKillop
and
then
John
Piggott.
A
A
A
C
A
I
I
Think
in
terms
of
the
motion,
that's
been
put
forward.
I
think
there's
a
positive
basis
to
work
for
we'll.
Tell
you
more
about
our
pods
John
Piggott,
who
will
follow
me,
will
tell
you
more
about
our
pods,
but
I
want
to
move
on
to
my
second
point,
which
is
a
key
fact:
the
compostable
pod
works.
One
gap
that
exists
in
the
report
is
it
makes
some
comments
about
testing
and
such
what
it
does
not
note
is
that
and
then
the
wording
frankly
report
is
a
bit
murky
on
this.
I
I
will
note
that
in
a
conversation
a
few
months
ago,
but
with
bridgehead
and
and
with
the
chair,
actually
the
chair
had
record
suggested
you
guys
should
talk
to
or
the
world
about
testing,
because
that's
a
critical
question
does
the
part
actually
do
what
you
say
that
it
does.
We
met
with
staff
of
Orgaworld
we've
provided
them
first
with
500
pods
and
then
another
500
pods,
mostly
from
bridgehead,
but
also
some
President's
Choice
and
some
of
the
other
pods
that
Club
coffee
prepares.
I
We
also
supplied
our
expert
to
them,
pointing
out
here's
a
good
way
to
run
these
tests.
Here's
the
best
practices
on
this
kind
of
compostable
testing
on
top
of
the
certification
we
already
had,
and
they
got
back
to
us
with
the
email,
and
you
can
see
the
quote
in
the
side
we
completed
the
trial,
they
went
well
the
pod
works.
This
reflects
what
we've
seen
in
City
after
City
and
community
after
community
we've
tested
it
works
in
Seattle
and
Syracuse.
We
tested
it
in
Peel
in
Guelph,
in
Muskoka
in
Orillia.
I
What's
interesting
is
that
in
fact,
in
many
of
those
tested
most
of
those
tests,
the
parts
actually
break
down
faster
than
many
things
that
are
in
regular
food
waste
so
and
I'll
just
use
the
that
go
into
green
bins
today.
So
here
in
the
Ottawa
and
I,
imagine
that
my
friends
will
want
to
review
this
is
this
is
no
thought
I
can
put
dryer
lint
in
my
green
bin.
I
can
put
a
full
vacuum
cleaner
bag.
I
I
So
that's
the
key
point
from
our
point
of
view
is
that
in
a
factual
thing,
in
terms
of
the
fundamental
issue
here,
if
you
throw
your
pods
into
a
grouping
system
anywhere
in
this
province,
they'll
do
just
fine
and
no
one
has
shown
otherwise
to
this
point.
What
that
does,
though?
It
leads
us
to
the
policy
issues
and
we've
already
referred
to
them,
so
I'm
not
really
going
to
pound
that
one
any
interests
of
time.
I
But
the
fact
is,
there
are
and
I
recognize
that
there
are
policy
issues
that
staff
have
and
that
need
to
be
discussed.
We
need
to
get
frankly
more
action
from
the
province
in
terms
of
moving
this
forward
as
well,
and
we
look
forward
to
that
happening,
but
there's
a
larger
context
I
want
to
point
to,
and
that
is
sustainable
packaging
where
things
are
going.
I
Companies
get
the
fact
that
the
idea
of
throw
aways
and
throw
away
plastics
in
particular,
is
dubious.
Coming
to
the
end
of
that,
when
you
have
major
companies
like
all
these
ones,
who
have
made
very
specific
targets
about
getting
other
single-use,
throw
aways
and
moving
to
compostable
recyclables
reusables,
there
is
a
fundamental
shift
happening
on
the
private
sector
side
of
the
equation
and
there's
been
so
much
as
changes
over
the
last
two
or
three
years,
so
the
timely.
What
we
have
here
now
is
quite
important
government's,
get
it
as
well.
I
I
A
C
You,
chair
I'm,
just
curious
too,
because
there's
dozens
of
coffee
brands
and
pods
in
the
market
and
you're
here
speaking
on
behalf
of
two
of
them
and
I'm,
just
wondering
if
you
have
a
sense
of
are
you
one
of
the
leaders
in
terms
of
having
these
runs
where
they
are
working
in
your
trials
or
are
most
pods
friendly
to
go
to
a
facility
like
Orgaworld?
That's.
I
A
that's
actually
a
very
good
question,
because
it's
a
it
speaks
to
a
concern
that
staff
have,
which
is:
how
will
people
tell
them
apart?
How
do
people
know
what
works
and
what
doesn't
because
of
the
work
that
we've
done
in
compostable
because
of
the
responses
of
governments
generally
to
that?
What's
happened
is
in
the
kinds
of
single-serve
pods
that
you
use
in
Keurig
machines,
which
is
by
far
the
dominant
model
in
North
America.
I
Essentially,
the
business
has
moved
to
two
options,
not
30
or
whatever.
There
are
two
options:
if
it's
a
soft
pod,
then
John
Piggott,
when
he
speaks,
will
show
you
ours.
The
bridge
had
one
in
case
you
haven't
seen
it
or
PC,
or
what
have
you
so
it
saw
as
of
now
all
the
ones
that
are
being
produced
in
North
America
are
compostable.
I
If
it's
the
hard
cups
or
the
standard
cured
k-cup
Keurig
is
moving
and
they're
going
to
complete
it
this
year
and
all
the
other
companies,
all
the
other
major
companies
at
least,
are
moving
to
a
recyclable
pod.
The
idea
is
that
you
can
take
it
apart
and
then
put
the
plastic
part
in
a
blue
box,
how
people
feel
about
on
that
blue
box.
I
don't
know,
but
in
sense
it's
either
this
or
it's
that
and
by
looking
at
the
pod
you
can
tell
which
one
it's
going
to
be
so
other
than
the
fact
that
not.
C
I
One
of
the
concerns
you
know,
I
can't
obviously
speak
for
so
long
I
lost
later,
but
I
just
want
yeah
I
think.
The
sense
that
we
hear
most
often
are
is
consumers
might
be
confused
and
they
would
throw
the
wrong
finger,
which
would
lead
to
contamination
of
the
green
bin
and,
as
I
say,
I
think
that
that's
solving
itself,
quite
frankly
in
the
marketplace,
I
think
that
there
are
that's
there.
Obviously,
are
the
policy
concerns
as
we
move
into
more
of
these
kinds
of
things.
I
What
does
it
mean
for
the
cost
and
operational
incinerations
for
the
green
bin?
How
is
that
going
to
get
resolved
and
how's
it
going
to
get
resolved
relatively
consistently,
so
those
are
concerns
that
they
have
and
then
certainly
that
we've
heard
I
think
the
key
question
for
us
is
not
to
say
that
this
concern
is
exists.
I
One
of
the
key
issues
is
how
material
is
how
significant
is
it?
So,
for
instance,
we've
said
the
people
when
we
were
concerned
about
people
throwing
say
your
standard
cake
up
into
a
green
bin
I
get
why
that
would
be
a
concern.
How
significant
is?
How
often
does
it
happen?
How
much
does
it
really
mess
up
the
works
that
Orgaworld
so
like?
Is
it
a
big
issue
literally
and
legitimately,
or
is
it
not
that
significant
in
real
life
and
I
think
that's
something
that
can
be
a
point
of
discussion
with
staff?
My
final.
C
I
C
I
I
G
I
Well,
there
is
the
interesting
question:
the
tests
that
we've
done
in
the
United
States
have
led
to
acceptance.
The
tests
that
we
have
done
have
in
Ontario
have
led
to.
We
hope
somebody
else
accepts
them.
First,
there
is
a
family.
My
joke
has
been
with
the
battle
for
fourth
place.
Everybody
wants
to
see
some
other
guy.
Do
this
for
a
whole
range
of
reasons,
and
frankly,
I
mean
it's
been
a
little
frustrating
at
times
you
have
a
product,
it
does
what
you
say
it
does
they
see
it
does
what
you
say
it
doesn't.
I
It
says:
well,
yeah,
there's
this
thing
and
I
understand:
Paul
the
policy
process
I've
been
on
their
side
of
the
equation.
I
understand
so
we'll
give
you
a
good
example
in
Orillia.
We
did
the
test
that
put
them
in
it
worked
and
they
said
we'll
do
this,
provided
that
you
do
one
thing
which
will
actually
work
on
now
they
said:
can
you
put
actually
on
the
part
itself?
They
went
well
in
the
box
that
says
composed
to
them.
I
Can
you
put
actually
on
the
pod
compostable,
so
we're
working
on
just
the
best
way
to
do
that?
Right
now,
at
least,
if
you
can
do
that,
then
our
collection
staff
will
have
no
trouble
telling
the
good
ones
from
the
bad
ones,
and
then
we'll
reinforce
the
messaging.
It
will
reinforce
the
messaging
for
consumers
generally.
I
So
we're
looking
to
see
if
there
are
things
that
we
can
do
in
terms
of
how
we
communicate
to
consumers
so
that
they
put
the
right
thing
in
the
right
place
and
they
don't
put
them
in
the
wrong
place,
because
that
you
know
that's
a
legit,
that's
a
legitimate
issue.
We
respect
that,
and
so
those
are
the
kinds
of
ways
we've
been
going
about
that,
but
in
general,
in
Ontario
it's
been
yeah.
We
should
hope
some
other
guy
accepts
it.
So
one
of
the
things
that
we've
heard
is
we're
waiting
for
Toronto.
I
Here's,
the
fascinating
thing
about
waiting
for
Toronto
Toronto
doesn't
have
a
system
like
other
laws
or
Appeals
Toronto.
Has
this
anaerobic
digestion
system
that
nobody
else
in
Ontario
has
if
it
works
in
Toronto,
it's
irrelevant
if
it
works
every
place
else,
because
every
place
else
is
different.
There
are
concerns
that
we
hear
from
similar
penalties
in
the
GTA
that
they
want
to
have
the
same
messaging
all
across
the
GTA.
I
So
if
I
hear
it
in
Toronto
and
I
hear
de
piel,
it's
the
same
I
get
that
to
some
extent,
although
they
still
have
very
wildly
different
lists
of
what
goes
in
their
green
bins
right
now,
but
otherwise,
not
part
of
the
GTA.
Nobody
here
in
Ottawa
is
going
to
go
well,
they
can
do
this.
You
know
what
why
are
they
telling
people
in
Peel?
They
can
do
this,
but
they're
not
telling
people
here.
Nobody
knows
what
anybody
is
telling
it
peel
here.
I
So
I
think
I
was
a
special
case
for
us
to
actually
show
some
leadership
and
I
think
the
direction
that's
been
suggested.
But
let's
drive
drive
to
the
goal
on
this
I
think
there's
a
good
direction
to
go
from
our
point
of
view
with
our
pods
I
think.
Frankly,
we
should
be
into
that.
But
if
we,
if
it's
going
to
take
a
few
awards
to
cross
some
T's
and
dot
semis,
so.
G
B
I
There's
there's
there's
a
two-part
answer.
The
first
part
is
that
there
are,
you
know
in
North
America.
There
are
two
organizations
that
do
certifications
based
on
ASTM
standards
for
composed
ability.
One
of
them
and
the
one
that
we
tested
through
is
is
called
the
biodegradable
viability,
good
biodegradable
products
Institute
and
there
in
the
US,
and
they
do
immense
amount
of
testing
on
compostable
products.
The
other
one
is
building
onto
Quebec,
so
B&Q
does
it
as
well,
but
they
don't
do
much
in
this
particular
area.
G
I
I
They
were
comfortable
with
the
outcomes,
and
so
they
said
fine,
it's
good,
it's
in
and
in
fact,
what
happens
in
a
number
in,
particularly
in
the
US,
so
it's
a
different
environment
than
Canada
in
this
regard,
they're
looking
for
ways
to
build
understanding
and
acceptance
and
engagement
with
these
kinds
of
waste
diversion
programs
they're
in
a
different
place
than
we
are
so
they
that's.
You
know
that's
some
of
your
right
there.
They
were
a
good
way
to
get
in
the
door
as
far
as
they're
concerned,
but.
I
C
C
Maybe
your
million
dollar
question
I!
Guess
why
coffee
pots
at
all
the
it's
there
are
other
makers
of
coffee
that
package
their
little.
You
know
individual
coffee,
servings
and
I.
Think
since
say,
oh
is
one
of
them
that
you
know
easily
be
thrown
into
into
the
green.
Then
why
why
why
don't
you
consider
a
change
in
your
product.
I
We
actually
would,
as
you
as
you
know,
the
four
I
guess.
First
in
North,
America,
the
Tassimo
people
and
then
cured
went
in
club.
Coffee
actually
just
makes
coffee.
We
didn't.
We
came
to
the
component
of
the
single
serve
coffee
party
relatively
late,
just
because
of
patents
and
such
if
you
look
at
the
growth
and
John
Piggott
will
talk
about
this
and
greater
things,
we're
simply
responding
to
a
consumer
situation.
I
People
like
the
convenience
of
single
serve.
They
like
the
ability
to
make
one
cup
of
coffee
I
could
literally
and
I,
won't
go
on
for
an
hour
to
explain
how
this
happened,
but
literally
was
it
was
driven
by
consumers
liking
the
convenience
liking,
the
variety
that
they
get
and
maintaining
the
quality
they
expected.
Yeah.
C
A
C
I
A
J
Name
is
John
Piggott
I'm,
the
CEO
of
Morrison,
lamothe
and
club
coffee,
which
is
owned
by
Morrison,
lamothe
and
pleased
to
be
here
because
we
are
I
mean
for
you,
a
third
generation
Ottawa
company.
We
started
on
the
canal
about
a
mile
from
here
and
today
we
are
one
of
North,
America's
largest
coffee,
innovators,
but
here's
the
story
behind
the
pods,
these
plastic
pods
every
day
in
Canada,
four
million
of
them
were
going
in
to
the
waste
stream.
J
That's
enough
to
when
you
go
end-to-end,
it
would
take
you
175
kilometers
a
day,
that's
from
Parliament
Hill
to
downtown
Montreal.
We
knew
something
needed
to
be
done
about
this.
We
had
consumer
research,
we
had
customers
saying
come
up
with
a
solution.
Club
coffee,
including
bridgehead
here
and
bridge,
had
pushed
the
bar
up
and
said:
there's
only
one
solution,
and
that
is
a
hundred
percent
composability.
It
has
to
be
sustainable.
Why
would
you
put
sustainable
coffee
in
something
if
the
packaging
is
not
sustainable
and
I
commend
Tracy
Clark
for
for
leading
us
that
way?
J
J
J
I
think
this
is
a
great
story
of
responding
to
the
consumers
innovating
here
in
Ontario
and
doing
the
right
thing,
and
we
collaborated
with
the
experts
all
over
North
America
to
do
this
and
it
works,
and
it
will
break
down
in
less
than
five
weeks
in
most
industrial
situations,
as
Chris
explained
it
changes.
But
if
you
really
want
to
know
why
it
hasn't
been
passed
by
any
minute,
cepelinai
Terry,
let's
put
the
elephant
the
middle
of
the
room.
J
It's
because
municipalities
are
really
looking
for
a
larger
policy
issue
to
be
resolved
with
the
province,
and
that
is
extended
producer
responsibility.
We
don't
deny
that
who
is
going
to
fund
this
as
they
have
with
the
blue
bin,
and
we
recognize
that.
But
what
frustrates
some
of
us
is
those
of
us
that
have
shown
innovation
and
try
to
do
the
right
thing
are
being
held
hostage
to
not
allowing
our
product
into
the
system,
because
we
can't
get
the
province
and
all
the
producers
to
come
to
an
agreement.
J
That's
really
the
answer
to
some
of
the
questions
here
and
that's
our
frustration
of
penalizing
companies
like
ours
that
are
doing
well,
leading
innovation
here
in
the
province
of
Ontario,
including
products
from
City
of
Ottawa,
and
here
in
our
own
hometown.
We
get
potentially
banned
from
the
green
bin
for
doing
the
right
thing.
Kind
of
is
why
I'm
here
today,
so
the
other
nice
thing
about
this.
If
we
all
go
this
way,
it
actually
does
reduce
greenhouse
gases
and
we've
got
the
studies
to
prove
it.
J
So
what
we're
really
asking
for
is
the
supportive
staff
to
try
to
find
a
the
right
way
to
work
through
this,
and
we
appreciate
the
amendment
mr.
chair
and
I
think
this
will
allow
us
to
do
it,
but
I
think
we
should
be
proud
of
the
leadership.
That's
been
shown
in
this
city
by
companies
like
bridgehead,
pushing
us
as
a
coffee
roaster
to
do
the
right
thing.
We
glad
to
answer
any
questions.
A
Thank
you
very
much
and
yes,
I'll,
lead
off
I
think
you
should
be
proud,
you
and
bridgehead
and
those
who
have
been
trying
to
push
the
boundaries.
Because
for
the
points
that
you
raised,
it's
not
easy
and
it's
a
relatively
small
player
compared
to
that
the
big
global
companies.
That's
a
challenge.
If
I'm
not
mistaken,
though
you-you-you
do
admit-
or
you
would
admit
there
is
the
the
potential
for
confusion
at
the
moment
of
hey
great
there
is
this
super
cold
coffee
pod,
it's
completely
compostable,
so
all
parts
are
compostable
there.
J
People
can
tell
the
difference
and
by
usually
saying
the
brown
ring
is
compulsory
reasons.
Brown,
that's
the
color,
the
coffee
skins
going
into
the
ring,
and
that
what's
neat
is
this-
was
invented
by
the
University
of
Guelph.
I
get
another
great
ontario
story,
so
mr.
chair
I
think
it's
fought
hard
to
tell
the
difference
or
point
out
the
difference.
Why.
A
Sure
why
he
do
have
it
too
and
in
front
of
you
there
they're,
clearly
different
I,
guess
their
point
without
we're
nuts
books
engaging
debate
with
our
delegation
story.
I'll,
try
not
to
but
I
think.
That's
a
concern
that
you're
hearing
you're,
particularly
you're,
getting
from
staff
at
the
moment
is.
It
appears
that
you
are
there
or
almost
there
in
terms
of
the
full
compost
ability
within
our
system,
but
we
do
have
this
you've
named
it
yourself,
this
provincial
context
and
the
whole
industry-wide
one.
So
perhaps
I'll
leave
it
there.
A
A
A
J
If
I
may,
and
without
going
through
too
much
history
confirm
and
I'm
really
glad
to
see
our
Auditor
General
is
sitting
at
the
table
and
I'm
hoping
that
he
will
be
able
to
answer
some
of
the
questions.
That
is
the
last
time
that
we've
been
able
to
address
the
green
bin
Laden
since
2013
to
2014
on
July,
the
9th
when
mr.
Hughes
presented
it.
A
I
do
just
want
to
say
one
thing,
although
you
are
you're
totally
within
your
rights,
to
raise
questions
that
are
still
in
your
mind.
We
don't
as
process
it
directly
have
delegations
directly
questioned
committee,
members
or
staff
just
so
we're
clear
with
that
you're
free
to
say,
I'm
left
with
these
questions.
First.
J
Thank
You
chairman
Thank
You
Gerry,
so
through
the
chair.
First
of
all,
just
to
confirm
a
few
things
for
the
record
auditor
general
confirmed
in
July
2014.
The
38,000
tons
of
leaf
and
yard
waste
currently
goes
to
the
trail,
fill
a
landfill
trail
Road
landfill
and
was
subsequently
diverted
into
the
source,
separated
organic
stream
as
part
of
the
program
to
beef
up
the
numbers
that
were
woefully
inadequate
because
the
targets
were
basically
not
fiduciary
examined
when
the
contract
was
being
signed.
We
have
a
contract
that
we
have
too
much
capacity
at
80,000
tons.
J
Why
would
we
not
start
over
and
start
a
new
contract,
because
when
the
company
changed
hands,
they
should
have
filed
notice
with
the
city
in
Africa
Connors,
here
I'd
like
to
ask
him
that
why
weren't
we
given
the
opportunity
to
start
over
and
why
are
we
continuing
a
20-year
contract
were
eight
years
into
this
and
we're
lessening
the
tonnage
by
five
thousand
pounds
when
38,000
tonnes
excuse
me,
thirty-eight
thousand
tonnes
was
identified
as
leaf
and
yard
waste,
which
was
never
meant
as
a
source
separated
organic
stream.
It
was
added
in.
J
It
is
a
naturally
compostable
thing
that
sits
at
$16
a
tonne,
a
two-page
fee
at
railroad,
but
it
takes
this
magic
ride
around
the
city
goes
to
the
East.
End
gets
dumped
for
45
days
takes
another
trip
to
trail
Road
and
it
basically
cost
us
a
hundred
and
twenty-one
dollars
a
ton
to
call
leaf
and
yard
waste
organic.
So
my
questions
are
threefold.
Last
week,
you're
on
an
interview
with
Rob
snow
at
approximately
1:15,
you
were
asked
a
number
of
questions.
You
didn't
have
the
numbers
at
that
interview.
Do
you
have
those
numbers
today?
A
J
So
I'm
asking
the
question:
do
you
have
the
numbers
for
the
amount
of
source
separated
organics
that
represent
leaf
and
yard
race
that
go
to
trail
Road
every
month
on
a
monthly
basis
for
the
last
four
years,
so
that
the
citizens
of
Ottawa
can
see
that
this
is
a
band-aid
approach
that
was
taken
when
we
added
the
leaf
and
yard
waste,
and
now
we're
being
sold?
That's
going
down.
5,000
tons
is
a
good
thing.
When
our
capacity
will
react,
we
need
about
30
35
thousand
tons.
So
why
not?
J
Here's
just
a
just
a
thought
out
of
the
box.
Why
not
start
the
contract
over
take
into
account
what
the
city
needs
about
35
to
40
thousand
tonnes
a
year,
allow
warmer
world
to
compete
in
the
open
market
for
other
source
separated
organics
contracts
like
dad
know
who
currently
puts
their
trucks
on
our
roads
and
sends
them
to
Cornwall
on
gasoline.
These
are
trucks
at
$80,
a
tonne,
and
you
talk
about
trucks
in
the
interview
last
week
with
Rob.
J
J
Wiley
and
how
much
for
putting
to
the
curb
in
source
organics
from
the
kitchen
scraps
to
everything
to
me,
but
we
are
still
adding
the
leaf
and
yard
waste
into
the
collection
stream,
and
that,
in
my
view,
is
a
one
word
just
to
start
over
and
get
this
right
for
the
citizens
of
Ottawa.
Your
finance
committee
has
stated
that
leaf
and
yard
waste.
The
extra
cost
of
dispensing
of
it
is
between
five
and
eleven
million
dollars
a
year,
but
we
have
Kevin
Wiley
telling
us
that
this
new
contracts,
gonna
save
us
money.
J
A
A
J
A
J
A
F
Yeah,
okay,
so
my
name
is
Barbara
Wong
and
I'm,
representing
the
café's
group,
which
is
the
community
associations
for
environmental
sustainability
and
welcome
to
opportunity
to
speak
to
the
Environment
Committee.
Okay
I
have
some
slides
here,
I'm
going
to
ask
for
some
direction
on
how
to
flip
them
so
where
I
go.
F
Thank
you,
okay,
so
yeah.
So
we're
going
to
talk
today
about
source
separated,
organics
program
update,
which
we
received
and
we've
reviewed
so
I'll
go
to
my
first
slide.
So
we
are
your
constituents
and
we
are
concerned
earlier
this
year
we
met
with
our
group
at
that
meeting
we
had
Hintonburg
Civic
Hospital,
new
Edinboro,
Lower,
Town,
Center
town
and
the
Glebe
plus
the
wastewater,
Ottawa
people,
ecology,
Ottawa,
local
eco
action
families
and
new
grocery.
F
We
met
for
two
hours
on
a
beautiful
morning
when
we
could
have
been
up
doing
something
else,
but
we
bought
this
was
important
to
us
and
we
wanted
to
review
issues
that
we
might
want
to
bring
forward
to
the
municipality
in
an
election
year
and
also
the
province.
So
at
that
meeting
we
identified
22
issues.
We
talked
about
plastic
bags
and
styrofoam
and
waste
diversion
and
all
sorts
of
things.
F
So
we
we
did
talk
a
lot
about
the
idea
of
single-use
plastic
bag
ban
in
the
City
of
Ottawa,
but
we
didn't
know
based
on
some
experiences
and
other
municipalities,
whether
it
was
legal
and
what
jurisdiction
we
had.
So
we
we
met
been
with
David
Chernenko
and
with
the
general
attorney
general
Naqvi,
to
get
more
clarity
on
that.
So
at
that
meeting,
unfortunately,
they
weren't
able
to
answer
our
questions,
so
they
have
committed
to
more
specific
follow-up
to
create
that
legal
clarity
for
us,
so
I.
Thank
you
David
for
that.
So
then
fast
forward.
F
We
learned
then
at
the
report,
which
came
out
in
March
March
18th,
that
you
are
recommending
the
use
of
plastic
bags
and
the
green
bins
and
also
plastic
bags
for
dog
food
placed
in
the
green
bins.
So
we
are
opposed
to
this
recommendation
in
strongest
terms.
It
appears
to
us
to
be
a
solution
to
particular
local
dispute.
That's
here
in
Ottawa
between
article
world
and
Ottawa
that
will
be
expensive
and
we
feel
as
out
of
step
with
the
rest
of
the
world.
F
Two
Canadians
have
already
two
Canadian
cities
have
already
been
single-use
plastic
bags,
Montreal
New,
Year's
Day
this
year
and
in
July
Canada
Day,
Victoria
BC
will
flip
in
the
use
of
plastic
bags.
So
we
need
strong,
decisive
leadership.
Indeed,
a
superhero
would
be
even
better
in
Toronto
they
had
a
mayor's
challenge.
Where
he
suggested
that
the
high-rise
buildings
could
compete
for
some
prizes
if
they
or
take
to
increase
their
green
bin
waste,
so
I
consider
him
to
be
here
on
this
in
this
particular
instance.
F
F
So
also
we
want
to
talk
about
methane
here
and
we
understand
that
a
great
benefit
of
diverting.
This
is
a
less
less
of
a
greenhouse
gas
being
emitted.
But
we
don't
see
any
estimates
of
the
benefits
of
this
in
the
report
and
we
do
understand
that
Co,
fine
options
for
methane
recovery
and
bio
just
digester
facility
are
available
from
the
federal
government
and
this
was
not
discussed
either
and
we
don't
have
any
numbers
for
that.
We
did
request
a
Dylan
report,
unfortunately
wasn't
available
to
us
to
review.
F
Thank
you
so
just
as
the
Auditor
General,
the
auto
report
as
well,
that
there
was
a
comment
in
there
that
resonated
with
us-
and
that
was
that
counsel
was
presented
with
select
information
on
the
project
at
hand
were
wondering
if
this
is
maybe
what's
happening
here.
We
are
concerned,
we
are
concerned.
F
So
our
conclusion
and
recommendation
that
we
are
committed
to
supporting
good
public
policy
in
this
file.
However,
we
require
more
persuasive
and
solid
evidence
before
being
convinced
that
a
nine
percent
cost
increase.
What's
more
plastic
pollution
is
the
best
option
that
Ottawa
has
at
this
time.
So
we
recommend
that
all
of
us
stay
with
the
status
quo,
pending
further
evidence
and
investigation
and
working
on
a
set
up,
investigating
separate,
anaerobic
digester
for
dog
waste
nici
sector
waste.
I'm.
F
A
F
G
Thanks
thanks
for
we're
reaching
the
end
thanks
first
off
to
the
work,
the
café's
does.
I
know
they
meet
on
weekends
and
it's
often
a
beautiful
sunny
day
and
you're
you're
committed
I
did
not
understand,
and
maybe
you
could
bring
this
slide
back
up
on
methane
yeah.
What
was
just
help
me
understand
that,
at
the
point
that
you
were
making.
F
G
G
F
Yeah
there
are
ways
to
do
it:
water,
lewis,
an
example-
people
have
been
talking
about
whether
they
have
a
pilot
project
with
dog
size,
septic
tank
below
the
surface,
and
people
see
that
in
the
park
and
they
just
put
their
dog
poo
right
in
there
yep
and
never
leaves
the
park
and
then
a
honey
truck
goes
around
and
picks
it
up.
Okay,
so
we
thought
that
was
an
excellent
idea
that
water
lose
piloting
of
this
time.
So.
G
F
G
F
G
F
F
B
B
F
F
Okay,
but
one
thing
that
I
did
want
to
mention
is
the
person
who
lives
newly
in
a
high-rise
condominium.
Is
that
I
wasn't
even
aware?
I
could
use
a
green
bin
until
recently
in
the
condo
I'm
paying
for
that
in
my
waste
management,
but
wasn't
clear
to
me
so
I
think
the
public
education
piece
for
multi-unit
dwellings
is
it's
a
huge
opportunity
to
to
fill
it
fill
up
the
burger
world's
facility
with
feedstock
okay,
so
yeah
that
it
thank.
A
K
This
I
work
with
BASF
save
some
business
development
of
pipe
polymers.
We
like
to
talk
you
about
organics
recycling,
this
plexus
and
sorry,
yes,
I
have
an
accent
in
both
French
and
English.
So
just
that
say
with
me,
please
so
why
you
certify
compatible
backs
the
use
of
certified
compostable
bags
makes
residential
and
commercial
food
waste
collection,
more
efficient
for
quality
compost.
It
makes
the
collection
issue
cleaner
and
safer
past
experience
show
that
citizens
collect
more
organic
recipes
with
certified.
K
Compostable
bags
is
easier
because
it's
easy
handling
of
the
organic
waste,
the
sizes
of
the
box
fit
the
size
of
the
kitchen
and
culture
and
the
green
bean
they
are
designed
specifically
for
food.
Waste
collection
is
cleaner
because
the
bin
stays
clean,
the
Box
don't
eat.
They
are
designed
to
handle
food
waste
organic
waste.
There
are
no
repeatedly
washed
and
reams
of
bins,
so
less
water
and
the
Trillian
issues
so
more
sustainable
is
also
safer
because
it's
less
their
contact
with
employees
and
consumers
with
use
chance
for
transmitting
fruit
borne
illness.
K
K
Studies
made
by
BASF
showed
that
collecting
organization
P
in
curriculum
box
leads
to
energetic
conditions.
It
is
up
to
different
political
impacts
that
were
tested
after
14
days.
We
and
so
here
strong
up
nauseous,
nail,
stronger
development
of
mud
and
very
wet
appearance
of
the
ways,
certify
confer
parks.
On
the
other
hand,
they
have
superior
performance,
organic
waste
collection,
they
have
leak,
resistance
and
other
reduction.
So
in
this
test,
after
14
and
19
days,
there
was
no
obnoxious
smell.
There
was
very
little
more
formation
and
there
is
no
value
regulation
of
the
back.
K
This
is
because,
as
I
mentioned,
the
back,
let
the
oxygen
in
so
there
is
no
anaerobic
process
in
the
back
should
fight
impossible
backs.
We
compose
in
different
aerobic
composting
plants,
so
search
by
compostable
bags
can
be
differentiated
by
the
mark
of
certification.
There
are
two
in
America
or
Canada
is
the
Canadian
Bianchi
and
Philip.
The
like
in
general,
is
to
PPI
certify
compulsory,
so
the
word
windrow
stop
I
will
cover
in
vessel
etc
and
they
become
the
biodegrade
into
water,
co2
and
biomass,
and
with
that
I
finished
my
presentation.
Thank
you.
H
L
Good
morning
and
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
today
regarding
ottawa's
SSO
program,
my
name
is
Laura
pedan
and
I'm,
a
brand
manager
at
GLAAD
Canada,
specifically
supporting
their
waste
diversion
bags.
As
a
leader
in
the
waste
management
industry,
God
has
partnered,
with
municipalities
over
the
last
decade
to
educate
both
consumers
and
municipal
officials
on
how
to
successfully
launch
and
transition
waste
management
programs.
The
consumer
is
the
key
to
the
program
success
and
as
experts
in
the
consumer
ourselves.
God
is
the
marketing
knowledge
and
expertise
to
change,
consumer
behavior
and
ultimately
improve
program
performance.
L
I
first
like
to
take
a
moment
to
congratulate
the
council
on
their
decision
to
include
liner
bags
within
the
SSO
program.
God
has
spoken
to
Canadians
across
the
country
to
better
understand
what
their
needs
are
in
regards
to
compostable
programs
and
the
addition
to
include
binder
bags
will
certainly
help
encourage
resident
participation
and
ultimately
increase
overall
capture
rates
when
talking
to
consumers
about
composting.
There's
an
overall
sense
of
germs
and
it
associated
with
this
particular
waste
source
and
residents
do
feel
that
liner
bags
help
them
to
remove
that
ik
factor.
L
Thirdly,
there's
there's
a
large
sense
of
pride
in
Canada
when
it
comes
to
our
recycling
and
composting
programs
and,
in
fact,
the
municipalities
that
have
the
greatest
amount
of
diversion
rules
like
Halifax
and
Markham
unclear.
Bank
programs
actually
have
some
of
the
proudest
residents
who
are
happy
to
do
their
part
for
the
environment.
So
during
this
transition
phase,
GLAAD
would
like
to
partner
with
the
city
of
Ottawa
to
instill
the
sense
of
resident
pride
in
doing
the
right
thing,
and
we
feel
strongly
that
bio
resin
bags
are
the
right
thing.
L
L
So
I'm
here
today
to
extend
an
offer
of
support
to
the
City
of
Ottawa,
valued
at
two
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
dollars
to
help
aid
in
the
transition
to
liner
bags
within
the
SSO
program.
Hundreds
of
communities
across
Canada
have
leveraged
glads
marketing,
expertise
and
consumer
insights
to
change
consumer
behavior
and
improve
overall
program
performance.
L
Our
offer
to
the
City
of
Ottawa
would
provide
physical
samples
and
coupons
to
every
resident,
as
the
category
captain
grad
would
work
with
retailers
in
the
community
to
update
in
store
shelf
sets,
provide
educational
displays
and
signage,
and,
lastly,
we
would
develop
online
and
e-commerce
programs
that
make
it
easy
as
possible
for
residents
to
participate
as
the
industry
leader
in
the
space.
Only
grad
is
able
to
offer
this
level
of
support
and
education
reaching
consumers
that
all
touch
points
along
the
path
to
purchase.
L
We
look
forward
to
continuing
the
dialogue
with
the
city
and
discussing
the
support
in
greater
detail.
We
do
have
product
samples
and
examples
of
our
sampling
kits
here
today
that
we
would
love
to
pass
out
at
the
end
and
again
we
look
forward
to
building
this
partnership
and
working
with
you
moving
forward
as
you
as
you
embark
on
this
transition.
So
thank
you
for
your
time
this
morning,.
A
C
L
We
feel
that
the
bio
resin
bags
are
the
right
solution
from
an
environmental
standpoint.
I'm
not
here,
to
oppose
LDPE
single-use
plastic
bags,
but
for
sure
we
would.
We
would
love
if
the
city
would
endorse
the
use
of
bio
resin,
because
we
do
feel
that
is
the
right
thing
from
a
sustainability
perspective.
A
M
Thank
You,
chair
and
members
of
the
committee
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
today,
I
will
follow
your
guidance
chair
and
clang.
Keep
this
short
which
watch
ottawa
has
a
number
of
serious
concerns
with
what
start
proposing
I
would
urge
that
the
report
be
sent
back
to
staff
for
a
serious
renegotiation
with
over
world
based
on
the
following
four
key
key
principles.
One
waste
watts
ottawa
believes
that
allowing
plastic
bag
liners
is
unacceptable
and
should
not
be
permitted.
M
The
city
should
promote
and
use
certified
certified
compostable
part
based
plastic
bags,
as
you've
heard
already
today.
There
are
several
of
those
on
the
market
and
available
and
they're
certified
and
under
no
circumstances
excuse
me:
should
the
city
allow
regular
black
garbage
bags
or
grocery
sacks.
These
types
of
certified
bags
are
accepted
in
a
large
number
of
ontario
programs,
for
example,
peel
Halton,
Waterloo,
Hamilton,
Durham,
nagas,
Kingston
and
Guelph,
and
there
are
many
others
in
the
province
and
across
the
country.
Three
dog
ways
should
not
be
allowed.
M
M
The
staff
report
also
clearly
states
that
the
compost
quality
will
be
degraded
in
what
you
have
proposed
before
you
that,
right
now,
the
compost
quality
standards,
it
seems
very
likely
with
a
dog
waste
and
plastic
bags.
You
will
not
be
able
to
meet
the
highest
Ontario
double-a
standard
for
compost
quality.
We
would
support
the
city
moving
ahead
with
pilots
to
look
at
dog
waste
in
parks,
and
there
are
some
very
useful,
interesting
opportunities
there
in
Waterloo
and
Mississauga,
and
they
were
cited
earlier.
M
Fourthly,
the
city
needs
to
invest,
sniffily,
more
money
and
effort
to
encourage
participation.
The
green
bin
program-
I-
should
do
so
sooner
rather
than
later.
Given
some
of
the
challenges
and
a
note
that
the
province
is
moving
aggressively
on
organic
way,
I
don't
know
why
you
would
wait
until
2019
to
up
your
level
of
engagement
and
public
education
on
the
green
bin
program.
It
needs
to
be
done
now,
it's
overdue.
M
In
conclusion,
we
would
ask
why
the
city
is
proposing
to
create
an
environmental
problem
with
plastic
bags
and
dog
waste
and
regarding
plastic
bags,
when
proven
compostable
bags
eliminate
the
issue
and
help
maintain
higher
quality
standards.
If
you
allow
the
use
of
plastic
bags,
the
green
bin
program
may
get
some
participation
improvement,
though
I
note
that
there's
nothing
in
the
staff
reports
and
I
haven't
heard
anything
this
morning
to
indicate
exactly
what
that
increase
in
participation
is,
but
I
would
agree
that
will
likely
be
some.
M
However,
the
price
of
doing
that
we
feel
is
much
too
high,
you'll
be
creating
more
plastic
waste,
which
then
has
to
be
taken
out
of
the
plant
when
it
gets
to
to
hold
on
load
and
you're,
going
to
be
degrading.
The
usefulness
of
the
compost
as
well
and
moving
away
from
established
best
practices
across
Ontario
and,
in
fact,
in
many
other
parts
of
the
country.
The
city
made
the
right
decision
initially
on
the
green
bin
program,
not
to
allow
plastic
bags
of
dog
waste,
and
we
would
urge
you
to
to
maintain
that
policy
position.
M
You
should,
however,
allow
the
use
of
compostable
plastic
bags
and
given
a
choice
between
a
non
compostable
plastic
bag
and
a
compostable
plastic
bag.
Why
on
earth
would
you
allow
a
non
compostable
plastic
material
when
there
is
in
fact
documented
proof
of
evidence
that
these
compostable
bags
work
and
people,
in
fact,
using
successfully
in
other
municipalities
across
the
province
and
elsewhere?
Thank
you
very
much.
A
G
M
Believe,
there's
actually
somebody
who's
going
to
be
speaking
here
this
morning.
Who
can
speak
to
the
certification?
The
bags
which
used
in
other
municipalities,
use
a
BPI
certifications
logo.
If
you
go
on
the
website
for
the
region
of
Clinton,
for
example,
you
will
find
that
they
promote
that
logo
very
prominently,
and
this
logo
appears
on
the
bags
and
they're
the
packaging
associated
with
the
bags.
So
there
is
a
certification
and
I
think
you've
heard
from
both
GLAAD
and
BASF.
These
certification
programs
do
in
fact
exist,
and
the
bags
we're
talking
about
would
follow
that
certification.
M
M
Independently
third-party
certified
through
Beauty
normalization
to
Quebec
is
the
standards
organization
that
runs
underneath
the
heading
of
this
Canadian
status
Council,
and
they,
in
fact,
with
the
biodegradable
plastics
Institute,
are
in
fact
independent
third-party
bodies,
which
certify
that
these
bags
do
in
fact
compost.
It's
the
same
certification
program
that
the
gentleman
from
Coffee
Club
mentioned
for
his
coffee
pots,
but.
M
No,
it's
a
market-driven
process
and
if
a
company
produces
a
bag
and
they
want
to
be
able
to
certify
and
claim
that
it
is
composable,
they
do
it
against
the
the
compostable
certification
standard.
If
there's
a
bag
that
says
compostable
and
it
doesn't
have
the
BPI
or
the
bnq
logo
on
it,
you
can
assume
it's
probably
not
compostable
and.
B
M
Just
quoting
what
the
staff
report
says,
they
do
in
fact
confirms
somewhere
I.
Think
it's
on
page
14.
If
memory
serves
you
right
of
the
source
separation
overview
report,
that
the
quality
of
the
compost
will
be
degraded.
It's
not
explained
exactly
why
my
suspicion
is
it's
a
combination
of
the
two
things.
If
you
end
up
with
plastic,
which
you
have
to
remove,
you
tear
the
bag.
You
end
up
with
certain
pieces,
you're,
never
going
to
get
a
hundred
percent
of
that
plastic
out
which
degrades
the
compost,
but
certainly
also
I.
M
B
Staff
the
examples
given
of
the
plastics
that
could
be
used
that
staff
listed
were
those
you
know:
shopping
bags,
the
produce
bags
you
get
at
the
grocery
store
things
that
probably
ninety
five
percent
of
people
in
this
room
have
in
their
cupboards
and
closets
in
their
kitchen
and
hallways.
Are
there
any
merchants
in
Ottawa
who,
as
part
of
a
bag
that
is
used
to
transport
goods
for
customers,
automatically
use
con
compostable
bags,
because
everyone
has
non
compostable
bags
at
home?
Who
has
compostable
bags
at
home
that
the
merchant
has
given
them?
I?
Don't.
M
B
M
We
would
agree
that
you
need
to
divert
more
organics,
absolutely
that's
a
major
objective
and
the
fact
that
this
is
before
you
is
an
important
step
forward
for
the
city
of
water
to
address
the
challenge.
The
reality
is
that
these
kind
of
bags
are
in
fact
used
successfully
in
all
the
municipalities
and
many
other
that
I
thought
I
did
in
fact
cite,
and
there
are
many
more
so
people
do
use
these
bags.
M
You
can
actually
buy
some
of
these
already
I
think
already
in
the
marketplace:
they're
not
widely
available,
not
over,
because
all
the
way
explicitly
doesn't
allow
them.
So,
in
fact,
if
you
change
that,
then
I
think
people
will
do
it.
People
will
do
the
right
thing
if
you
give
them
the
opportunity
and
it's
been
proven
elsewhere
and
that
the
rates
of
participation
have
gone
up.
So
the
bottom
line
is
given
a
choice
between
a
non
compostable
plastic
bag.
That's
going
to
create
a
problem
for
you
at
the
plant
and
a
compostable
bag.
M
B
M
I
think
I
think
you
do
two
things
I
think!
Yes,
you
certainly
you
facilitate
participation
by
allowing
these
kind
of
certified
compostable
bags,
and
you
also
significally
up
the
amount
money
you
spend
on
promotion
education
when
wastewater,
oughta,
we'll
review
this.
A
year
ago
we
found
the
city
water,
we're
spending,
something
in
the
order
of
50
cents
per
household
per
year
on
education
and
promotion.
Most
of
the
municipalities
was
spending
twice
or
five
times
that
so
you
know
that's
a
problem
that
needs
to
be
addressed.
It's
a
budget
issue.
You
need
to
increase.
M
N
Thank
You
chair
max
abukuma
should
please
dine
and
counter
Brockington.
Mr.
Brewer
ii
have
touched
on
what
what
the
the
angle
that
I
was
going
to
address.
The
fact
is
now
that
we
have
forty
only
forty
percent
participation
in
the
green
bag
in
the
green
bin
program
and
I
presume
what
the
other
sixty
percent
are
doing
are
putting
their
organics
in
a
plastic
bag,
and
it's
going
into
garbage.
M
Will
improve
it
for
sure
I
think
you
will
get
better
participation,
but
you
don't
have
to
do
that
by
by
only
allowing
plastic
bags.
You
can
do
that
by
allowing
certified
plastic
bags
and
upping
your
promotion,
education,
so
I
think
again
the
choice
is
yes,
we
need
to
improve
participation,
it's
it's
poor.
We
need
to
make
it
easier.
M
We
need
to
promote
it
more
heavily
and
we
need
to
now
people
to
do
the
right
thing
by
encouraging
if
they
are
worried
about
the
yuck
factor
that
they,
in
fact
you
know,
can
use
these
compostable
bags,
which
are
available
and
I
used
and
promoted
by
every
other
big
municipality,
and
the
problem
is
pretty
much
Toronto
I
think
was
cited
that
they
have
a
slightly
different
process.
They
go
to
an
antibiotic
system
as
different
than
ours.
They're,
the
big
one,
that's
an
outlier
on
that,
but
they
still
allow
compostable
bags
to
it.
N
And
you
you
said
that
twice
that
allow
people
do
the
right
things.
Currently
we
buy
it
at
our
home.
The
the
paper
bags
that
are
that
are
allowed
in
the
green
bin,
and
but
not
many
people
do
that.
That's
what
I
there
are
there's
a
cost
issue.
There's
a
convenience
issue
there
too
Tuesday
night
to
get
it
out
of
the
house
and
I.
N
H
M
But
I
put
my
stuff
a
little
bit
and
I
have
in
the
kitchen
and
I
make
the
little
origami
you
know
on
newspaper
I
still
buy
a
newspaper
every
day,
actually
too.
So,
yes,
so
I
think
that's
the
first
thing.
The
second
thing
would
be
to
say
you
certifiable
compostable
bags
and
let's
not
get
into
problems.
Why
create
a
problem
in
the
plants
when
you
don't
have
to
I
mean
that's
the
bottom
line
you
can
get
just
as
much
value
out
of
promoting
certified
compostable
bags,
each
as
a
plastic
bag.
M
So,
given
the
choice,
why
would
you
not
take
the
more
sustainable
compostable
option
as
opposed
to
a
problem
in
which
the
fact
is
just
going
to
have
to
be
taken
out?
You
create
a
plastic
bag
problem
that
you've
got
to
take
it
out.
When
you
get
it
to
the
plant
and
the
problem,
you
may
not
get
it
all
out
and
a
staff
report
says
the
compost.
Quality
is
going
to
go
down
with
what
you
have
in
front
of
you.
M
A
O
Want
to
point
out
that
there's
something
larger
than
the
question
of
putting
dog
poop
in
plastic
bags
and
being
bin
collections
happening
here.
As
we
concerned,
citizens
who
are
living
in
rural
areas
in
and
around
Ottawa
and
other
cities
see
it.
This
larger
problem
is
the
spreading
of
half
of
North
America's,
concentrated
city
sewage
as
fertilizer
on
rural
agricultural
lands,
because
there
is
good
reason
to
believe
that
is
causing
illness
in
the
world
population
and
widespread
contamination
of
the
air,
water,
soil
and
food
chain.
O
A
O
O
All
the
farmer
has
to
do
is
plant
and
harvest
the
crop.
All
expenses
are
paid
for
by
the
city.
This
is
a
huge
cost
savings
for
farmers
who
are
willing
to
contaminate
their
fields
with
the
80,000
chemicals
from
industry
and
street
runoff
and
garbage
dump
leachate,
that's
in
the
sewage
sludge
and
not
tested
for
as
well
the
so
called
treated
sewage.
Sludge
still
contains
both
pathogens
that
make
people
sick,
including
pathogens,
mutated
into
superbugs,
by
exposure
to
all
the
antibiotics
and
sewage
and
over
the
longer
term,
breathing.
O
O
By
doing
so,
there
will
no
longer
the
records
kept
of
where
sewage
sludge
has
been
applied
to
land,
so
health
and
environmental
safety
studies
we've
been
calling
open,
for
it
cannot
be
done
and
no
one
held
accountable
for
harm
arising
from
distribution
throughout
the
environment
of
the
most
toxic
waste.
Their
cities
are
producing
the
move
to
include
dog,
poop
and
diapers
of
human
feces
from
sick
people
in
the
green
bin,
collection
is
preparing
the
way
for
sewage
sludge
to
be
added.
O
In
ottawa's
case,
the
original
20-year
contract
the
city
signed
with
Orgaworld
to
pay
for
eighty
thousand
tonnes
a
year
likely
was
intended
to
include
the
city's
sewage
waste
as
less
than
half
the
contracted
amount
is
needed
for
household
waste.
However,
the
legislation
was
put
on
hold
due
to
our
unanswered
questions
about
the
explosively
growth
of
pathogens
remaining
in
the
sewage
during
storage.
O
The
unexplained
shortfall
of
City
green
bin
feedstock
is
what
is
now
being
given
as
the
reason
to
allow
dog
poop
in
diapers
and
plastic
bags,
and
the
province
is
applying
ever
more
pressure
to
move
towards
putting
sewage
and
green
bin
compost
by
preparing
to
pass
legislation
banning
organic
waste
that
includes
keeping
organic
sewage
from
being
lawn
filled
with
garbage
to
save
space
in
the
dumps
by
using
it
for
a
green
purpose.
This
includes
using
the
green
bin
compost
in
city
parks
and
flower
beds,
saving
space
in
the
garbage
landfill
by
spreading
otherwise
most
toxic
waste.
O
In
our
food
lines
makes
no
sense,
particularly
since
sewage
sludge
is
70%
water
and
withdrawing
and
anaerobic
decomposition
shrinks
to
just
10%
of
its
initial
volume
in
the
landfill.
The
actual
reason
appears
to
be
to
prevent
sewage
smells
near
the
garbage
landfills,
so
that
residential
subdivisions
can
be
built
there.
There
is
no
concern
for
rural
people
subjected
to
such
smells
and
aerosols
by
having
10
tonnes
of
city
sludge
allowed
to
be
spent
per
acre
on
land,
as
closest
50
meters
from
the
houses,
barns,
schools,
hospitals
and
senior
housing.
O
The
other
reason
cited
for
banning
organic
waste
Iran
chose
to
use
it
for
greening
purpose.
The
very
word
organic
is
music
to
people's
ears.
To
think
of
organically
raised
for,
in
fact,
the
government's
official
definition
is
any
chemical
compound
containing
carbon,
which
includes
PCBs
pesticides,
herbicides,
flame
retardants
and
other
carcinogens
and
chemicals
constituting
some
30%
of
sewage
biosolids
by
dry
weight.
Sewage
treatment
is
another
misleading
concept,
as
the
treatment
is
primarily
reduce
biomass
by
50%
through
anaerobic
microbial
digestion,
that
turns
it
into
methane
gas,
not
to
reduce
harmful
ingredients.
O
In
conclusion,
we
would
like
Otto
Ismail
councillors
to
keep
dog
feces
of
human
feces
and
diapers
and
plastics
out
of
the
green
bin
compost
and
investigate
the
larger
context
of
safely
disposing
of
the
city's
more
pathogenic
and
toxic
wastes
by
utterly
destroying
all
chemical
compounds
using
high
temperature,
low
oxygen
gasification
and
or
non
oxygen,
pyrolysis
technology
or
beneficially
generating
bio
gases
for
energy
and
reclaiming
pure
metallic
elements
for
recycling.
A
repeated
past
request
for
the
city
to
use
the
Pasco
demonstration
plant
for
this
purpose
were
never
discussed.
However,
there
is
good
reason
to
believe.
O
Serge
touch
would
have
made
an
ideal
uniform
feedstock
that
didn't
cause
the
jam
ups
and
system
breakdowns
from
using
garbage,
and
we
ask
that
although
I
joined
with
other
municipalities
and
requested
the
provincial
government
delay
legislation
banning
organic
waste
from
landfills,
dr.
Ullrich
gasification
pyrolysis
plants
are
built
and
operated.
In
the
mean
time,
we
ask
that
you
reimpose
Auto
s
former
ban
on
spreading
sewage
sludge
on
farmland
and
have
it
safely,
land
filled
with
garbage
again
for
the
common
good
of
our
health
and
the
environment
that
sustains
all
life.
A
A
Next,
we'll
have
Daniel
Martin's,
followed
by
John,
Edmond
and
I'll.
Just
do
a
quick
attendance
if
I
might
here
is
John
Evans
in
the
room,
John
Edmund
he's
here:
okay,
just
stepped
out
and
I'm.
Assuming
that
those,
let's
see
the
number
has
dwindled
here,
so
maybe
some
have
not
been
able
to
to
stay.
You
know.
Doug
Thompson
is
still
here
and
Jason.
Garlow
is
here.
So
that
will
be
the
end
of
our
of
our
speakers
list.
You
welcome,
please
introduce
yourself
and
if
you
are
representing
a
particular
organization
and
go
ahead.
Yes,
I
am.
P
Dan
Martin's
I'm
a
vice
president
to
North
America
for
Nova
mob
North,
North
America
for
an
over
Mont
SBA
I'm
here
representing
BPI
I,
sit
on
the
BPI
board
since
referenced
a
couple
times,
I
also
chair
the
communication
and
Outreach
Committee.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
allowing
me
to
be
here
and
I
hope
that
I
can
share
some
information
and
contribute.
So
BPI
is
a
certification
body
for
compostable
products.
It
is
been
around
since
1999.
P
P
When
you
see
the
BPI
logo
logo.
The
goal,
of
course,
is
to
assist
in
the
version
of
organic
waste
to
composting,
but
also
to
certify
in
verified
products.
So
you
see
the
BPI
logo,
you
get
industry
integrity,
we
get
consumer
confidence,
manufacture,
credibility,
product
security
and
trusted
and
respect,
and
it's
a
trusted
and
respected
benchmark
for
the
industry.
It's
easily
recognized
and
scientifically
accredited.
Please
insist
on
BPI
certification,
like
I
said
when
standards
must
be
clear,
they
must
be
BPI
certified.
This
assures
that
products
and
materials
are
safe
from
Nestle
composting.
P
Bpi
members
represent
the
industry,
product
suppliers
and
distributors
all
are
working
to
ensure
diversion
from
organic
waste
from
landfills
and
credible
and
confident
composting,
and
the
composting
landscape
here
are
some
of
the
other
members
of
the
board.
As
you
can
see,
there's
some
very
familiar
names
there
as
well,
so
we
support
composting
integrity
by
requiring
that
BPI
products
certified
products
are
used
and
by
supporting
VPI
program
for
compostable
certifications,
you
are
bringing
integrity,
bringing
confidence
and
assuring
composters
that
our
getting
truly
compostable
products,
so
compostable
bags
are
important
to
municipal
SSO
programs.
P
Products
that
were
certified
third-party
certified
would
be
caregiver
services,
the
community
and
composters
that
products
will
perform
to
industry
compostable
standards
and
case
studies
from
Italy
France
USA
in
Canada
show
that
the
use
of
certified
compostable
bags
with
appropriate
collection
bins.
They
increase
residential
capture
weights
rates,
they
lower
contamination
rates
and
if
the
goal
is
to
remove
organic
material
from
landfill,
the
Pervin
state
of
the
art
is
compostable
bags
and
appropriate
collection.
Bins
are
specifying
only
certified
compostable
bags
for
SSO
collections
additional
front
end.
Processing
equipment
is
not
needed
less
back
end.
P
Screening
is
required,
saving
costs
and
increasing
product
quality,
and
this
also
increases
the
total
compost
volume
output
versus
input.
Certified
bioplastic
compostable
bags
need
to
be
recognized
as
a
valuable
tool
use
in
harmony
with
composters
municipalities
and
residents
to
achieve
greater
overall
SSO
and
environmental
goals.
It
is
also
I'd
like
to
note
that
at
the
g7
meeting
last
June
it
was
in
Italy.
It
was
hosted
by
no
Vermont.
It
was.
P
There
were
high-level
meetings
between
the
Canadian
Minister
of
the
Environment,
with
a
CIC,
the
Council
of
Italian
composters
in
over
montt,
to
basically
discuss
best
practices
in
food
scrap
collections
since
Italy
is
touted
as
a
global
leader
in
the
landscape
of
collecting
food
scraps
and
composting.
Those
meetings
will
continue.
P
There
are
some
very
good
European
case
studies,
Canadian
case
studies
and
US
case
studies
that
show
that
using
breatheable
certified
compostable
bags
with
the
appropriate,
invented,
pails
or
pails
will
increase
and
duos
reach
those
goals
that
we're
trying
to
do,
which
is
greater
participation
and
less
contamination.
I
think
on
that
I
think
that's
really
all
I
had
to
say.
I
I
appreciate
your
time.
Thank.
A
G
P
I
think
I
can
I
mean
I
can
speak
for
North
America
and
total
I'm
fairly
familiar
with
I.
Think
the
question
was
more
about.
You
know
grocery
sacks
and
produce
bags
that
were
giving
out
to
consumers
as
opposed
to
compostable
bags
that
are
purchased
on
the
shelf.
As
far
as
I
know,
there's
nobody
really
in
Canada,
that's
doing
compostable
tea
sacks
or
produce
bags
they
are
available.
They
haven't
been
mandated.
Of
course,
compostable
bags
are
available
on
the
Shelf
to
be
purchased
in
all
formats
in
all
different
outlets,
so
they
are
available.
P
Real
quick
I
can
tell
you
just
the
European
models
in
Italy
they've
banned
all
plastic
bags
with
an
allowance
for
compostable
shopping
bags.
They
also
have
compostable
produce
bags
and
on
the
shelf
compostable
bags.
The
reason
they
do
that
is
because
there's
a
very
mature
composting
stream,
and
so
all
the
bags
that
are
used
for
shopping
bags
have
a
second
use
to
be
used
in
the
green
bin
program.
In
France
they
banned
all
plastic
bags.
Tea
sacks
were
not
really
an
issue,
but
produce
bags
were
so
to
use
produce
bags.
P
With
the
exception
that
you
can
use
compostable
tea
sex,
they
don't
have
any
reference
to
produce
bags
and
for
that
it's
for
any
community
where
they
have
curbside
pickup,
where
they
have
more
than
50%
of
the
residents
participating
and
when
the
municipality
ie
composters
agree
to
accept
them
in
Cambridge
outside
of
Boston.
They
have
neither
of
those,
but
they
banned
plastic
produce
bags
and
they're
used.
Therefore
they're
composting
program,
but
they
still
have
plastic
and
they
have
the
on
the
shelf.
You
know,
for
example,
glad
bags
and
stores,
and
so
so.
G
None
that
I
know
of
this
is
don't,
and
does
your
organization
serve
a
lobby
function
as
well
or
is
it
just
like?
Would
you
go
to
the
war?
Would
you
go
to
the
Selby's?
Would
you
go
to
the
wall
boss
and
say
we
think
this
is
a
route
that
you
should
be
going
down
and
we
have
people
who
could
provide
the
product
to
you.
Yes,.
P
Bpi
is
not
a
large
organization,
it's
an
important
organization,
but
it's
not
a
large
organization.
We
don't
have.
We
can
facilitate
lobbying.
We
certainly
go
talk
to
people.
We
were
part
of
the
allowed
law
test.
They
did
with
compostable
shopping
bags
about
five
years
ago.
In
Toronto
we
facilitated
that.
So
the
answer
is
yes.
However,
we
don't
have
a
paid
lobbying
stuff.
We
have
lobbyists
here
in
Canada.
We
can
use
also.
G
P
This
the
short
answer
was
that
at
the
time
they
were
expecting
a
bag
ban
for
compostable
for
shopping
bags,
so
they
want
to
be
readied
with
a
backup,
compostable
z'
that
we
did
a
test
with
five
stores.
York
Region,
it
worked.
Fine,
really.
The
biggest
problem
was
that
they
cost
more
I
mean
this
is
just
my
quick.
The
short
answer
is
that
they
cost
more
and
then
the
bag
ban
didn't
go
through.
So
there
was
no
reason
to
push
for
the
compostable
I.
G
P
O
G
P
G
P
Whether
can
I
just
quickly
comment
from
the
European
experience
when
people
just
use
a
plastic
bag
to
collect
organics,
it's
viewed
as
a
garbage
bag,
and
you
see
a
lot
of
contamination
rates
and
I
have
case
studies.
I,
certainly
love
to
share
at
another
time
where
this
proves
out.
However,
when
people
pay
for
a
compostable
bag,
for
example,
I'll
use
sensors
presented
here
a
glad
bag
that
costs
the
10
cents.
P
It
is
a
designated
bag
that
cost
10
cents
for
collecting
organics
it's
treated
with
much
more
respect
and
all
the
organics
go
into
that
bag,
not
garbage.
We
have
Milan
studies
as
well
that
showed
us
out.
So
when
you
say
that
people
don't
want
to
pay,
you
have
to
remember
that
the
compostable
bag
isn't
just
a
another
plastic
bag.
P
It's
a
tool,
that's
used
in
a
circular
way,
which
is
part
of
our
Canadian
initiative
to
better
collect
food
scraps,
and
if
it's
positioned
that
way,
as
opposed
to
an
anti
plastic
alternative,
which
everyone
will
say,
okay
now
govern,
is
making
me
pay
more
because
blah
blah
blah.
However,
if
it's
therefore
collect
food
scraps,
if
you're
a
glad
bag,
compostable
certified
that
cost
I
hope
she
said
10
or
15
cents,
you
respect
that
bag
and
you
use
it
for
that.
You
don't
waste
them
and
that's
that's!
P
That's
a
behavioral
thing,
but
it
proves
out
the
study
and
we
look
to
do
those
studies
here,
but
so
saying
that
hey,
if
you're
treating
with
just
as
a
garbage
bag
you're
going
to
get
garbage
if
you
treat
it
as
a
tool
used
to
collect
food
scraps
and
promote
it
that
way,
you'll
get
food
scraps.
That's
my
opinion.
Okay,
thank
you.
P
G
You
chair,
thank
you
very
much
for
the
presentation.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
the
answers
that
you
just
provided
to
concentrate
by
some
quick
clarifications.
For
me,
I
have
not
been
able
to
find
on
VP
eyes
website
what
exactly
the
standard
is,
but
I
just
want
to
confirm
because
I
found
on
a
third-party
site
what
the
standard
is
so
the
standard
is
BPI
standard
is
based
on
the
ASTM
D
6400
standard
correct.
P
So
that
third-party
certification,
but
they
don't
write
the
standard
they're,
not
industry,
coming
together
and
making
a
standard
that
we
approve
as
an
industry.
It's
a
government
Standards
Board,
it's
based
originally
on
the
European
en
standard
they're,
practically
identical
different
numbers.
But
if
you
look
at
that
one
and
it's
basically
two
it's
similar
standards
in
the
Australian
standard,
it's
similar
standard
to
the
Japanese
standard,
etc.
P
P
Economies
of
scale
definitely
play
a
part.
There
just
isn't
a
lot
of
there's,
not
a
lot
of
people
making
it.
You
have
to
applaud
the
guys
who
do
because
it's
not
even
a
core
part
of
their
business.
For
the
most
case,
however,
I
doubt
that
with
the
governor
polyethylene
is
not
made
from
oil,
it's
made
from
gas,
natural
gas
and
right
now,
a
lot
of
natural
gas,
which
is
the
low
end,
is
coming
from
fracking
gas.
P
That's
really
cheap,
so
we're
using
plant
based
materials
that
are
compostable
so
to
say
that
even
with
total
economy
scale
will
never
be
the
same
or
cheaper.
I
can't
say
that
it's
hard
for
me
to
logically
think
that,
however,
there
are
economies
of
scale
since
I've
been
doing
this
for
10
years.
The
price
has
only
come
down
on
materials
and
we
are
work
tied
to
the
food
markets,
not
to
the
petroleum
markets.
So
with
economies
of
scale
the
price
comes
down.
It
only
has
and
of
course,
more
support
for
municipalities.
P
For
example,
ie
the
Italian
market
only
makes
things
larger
more
competitors
come
in,
more
suppliers
could
be
made.
You've
got
your
university
of
wealth,
that's
doing
some
very
nice
things
with
biomaterials
and
that
gets
supported
so
for
a
circular
economy
conversation
they
really
punch.
It
really
hits
a
lot
of
buttons.
Besides
the
fact
that
a
composter
doesn't
like
it
or
consumer
doesn't
want
to
pay
for
it
or
each
every
individual
thing,
but
on
a
total
circular
economy,
it
supports
the
whole
food
scrap
version
program,
but.
G
P
P
Could
be
it's
a
fairly
small
industry
and
BPI
is
been
doing
it.
The
longest
is
the
most
developed
in
North
America.
You
also
have
the
Canadian
standards
that
are
also
doing
it.
I
believe
a
to
do
that.
I
can't
speak
for
them,
but
I
think
they're
reputable.
They
certainly
followed
the
same
international
standards.
There
are
I,
see
all
kinds
of
goofy
stuff
out
there
there's
also
some
very
strong
lobbying
groups.
There's
also
your
green
guide
laws.
P
There's
a
lot
out
there
when
you
said
so,
I
mentioned
about
being
labeled
compostable,
and
you
know,
what's
that
mean
there's
also
laws
on
the
books
like
in
California
Minnesota
shoot
I
can't
remember
that
where,
basically,
you
can't
use
that
word.
Unless
it's
certified
to
6400
in
New,
York
City,
they
won't
accept
anything
or
they
will
accept
anything.
That's
certified
PPI.
So
that's
a
standard,
so
that
includes
the
coffee
pots.
Bpi
certifies
we're
talking
about
compostable
bags
specifically,
but
remember,
paper
bags
can
be
BPI.
P
G
P
We
hope
that
through
BPI
that
we
solve
a
lot
of
that
for
you.
If,
ideally,
if
API
have
the
recognition,
recognition
and
also
the
status
of
being
a
certifying
body
in
the
marketplace,
people
could
feel
comfortable
just
seeing
the
BPI
logo,
which
each
individual
manufacturer
has
a
name
number
associated
with
them.
With
that
one
product
that
can
be
researched
on
the
web,
then
you
could
actually
go
back
and
find
out
if
it's
real
or
not
but
I
guess
so
I,
don't
know.
I,
know,
I
appreciate
the
question.
P
I
want
to
take
my
time,
but
I
think
that's
interesting.
Just
as
a
last
comment.
If
I
may,
you
know
in
Norway
15-20
years
ago
they
started
using
a
closed
bin
collecting
food
scraps
and
it
basically
turned
into
a
slop
bucket
today
15
year
and
people
didn't
participate
15
years
later,
it's
all
compostable
bags
with
vented
pails,
so
the
evolution
has
gone
from
the
slop
bucket
to
bags
with
pails
I.
P
Think
that
here
in
Ottawa,
which
is
very
a
nice
opportunity
as
we're
sort
of
starting
with
a
clean
slate
and
I,
would
recommend
that
if
we
could
only
have
compostable
bags,
like
other
cities,
do
like
Seattle
not
accept
plastic
bags,
we
can
sort
of
start
at
the
end
of
the
evolution
instead
of
spelling
our
toes
all
away
across.
But
I
can't
speak
for
anyone.
That's
just
what
I
would
love
to
say
really.
G
P
That's
the
that's
where
there's
food
scrap
collection
programs,
that's
where
they
get
the
second
use
and
where
the
economics
use
out
in
Italy,
where
they've
had
almost
ten
years
of
compostable
tea
sacks,
they
found
that
what
happened
on
this
again
researched
I
can
present
the
total
use
of
tea.
Sacks
compostable
plastic
went
down
by
50%.
P
People
started
using
carry
out
bags
for
their
food
on
the
Shelf
of
bags
that
were
sold
at
retail,
did
not
decline
because
people
still
like
having
a
nice
right,
sized
right
sized
bag
for
their
bins
and
the
compostable
T
sacks
became
were
only
used
for
food
scrap
now
or
they
weren't
used,
which
is
I'm.
Throwing
out
the
all
the
negatives
as
well
is
sometimes,
if
you're
carrying
something
you
really
like
any
bag.
P
A
A
Q
Good
morning
and
thank
you
for
hearing
for
me,
I,
don't
have
any
special
expertise
in
recycling
I'm
a
homeowner
I.
Don't
have
a
special
interest,
sometimes
think
of
terms
of
interest
in
the
environment
that
we
need
to
remember
the
words
of
Justice
Douglas
of
the
US
Supreme
Court,
who
said
who
will
speak
for
the
trees?
I
saw.
Q
Q
That
is
because
the
not
primarily
because
of
the
$600,000
cost,
but
primarily
because,
as
I
understand
it,
the
plastics
will
be
will
be
dealt
with.
Will
be
processed
by
a
machine
that
will
not
extract
all
the
plastics
and
there
will
be
a
lot
of
plastic
remaining
in
the
food
waste
in
the
compost
afterwards
and
thereby
degrading
the
product
and
making
it
less
valuable,
less
useful.
Q
Now
the
the
so-called
yuck
factor
has
been
has
been
mentioned
and
I
believe
councillor
Washington
raised
the
question
earlier.
What
can
we
do
to
address
the
problem
of
compliance?
Certainly
the
problem
with
compliance
as
a
serious
one.
That's
the
that's
a
given!
That's
the
issue
that
you
have
on
part
time.
Q
The
question
of
the
issue
of
the
yuck
factor,
in
my
view,
is
something
of
a
red
herring.
I.
Think
it's
a
it's
a
bit
of
a
false
issue:
I
think
if
you
ask
people
why
they
aren't
recycling
and
you
offer
them
the
excuse
or
it
comes
to
mind
that
they
have
that
if
they
use
plastic
bags
that
they
would
make
that
that
would
make
it
easier.
Q
I,
don't
know
what
evidence
there
is
that
they
would
carry
through
on
that.
And,
of
course,
you
can't
prove
that
until
you
try,
it
I
appreciate
that.
But
the
fact
is
that
recycling
is
a
civic
duty
and
I
want
to
sound
too
moralistic
about
it.
The
people
should
take
it
seriously
and
they
should
recycle
to
the
extent
that
the
programs
are
available.
I.
Q
With
all
due
respect,
this
program
has,
of
course,
the
best
of
intentions,
but
I
do
see
it
frankly,
as
somewhat
naive,
I
think,
there's
a
lot
of
wishful
thinking
and
the
proposition
that
a
use
of
plastic
bags
will
encourage
compliance.
It
made
it
major
that
slightly
I
think
the
downsides
more
than
offset
that
the
fact
is,
and
I
don't
have
expertise
in
saying
what
these
coercive
measures
should
be,
but
I
think
coercive
measures
have
to
be
introduced
in
order
to
get
people
to
comply
to
a
greater
extent.
Q
Q
Newspapers
and
so
on,
these
of
newspapers
and
the
general
messiness.
This
is
one
of
two
bags
that
we
have
a
lark
one
of
two
bins
we
have
in
our
kitchen.
These
bags
are
about
30
cents
apiece
there
once
you
put
them
in,
they
are
stiff
there
that
as
they
don't
fold
in
so
let's
stay
open.
You
can
just
drop
things
in
easily
they're,
not
impervious
but
they're.
Q
A
Q
N
Q
M
M
Q
You
know
you're
getting
into
an
area
that
I
I
can't
really
speak
to,
but
I
believe
that
there
are
stronger
measures,
I've
heard
of,
for
instance,
clearbags
user
pay
systems
and
so
on
to
the
extent
that
those
work
I
really
can't
kind
of
speak
to
that,
but
I
think
other
measures,
rather
than
introducing
plastic,
should
be
considered.
Okay,
thank
you.
Thank
You,
chair.
A
H
I
know
that
the
city
clearly
wants
all
dog
owners
to
be
flushing.
The
the
dog
poo
down
the
sewers
and
it's
very
clear
on
the
city's
ways
to
explore
and
and
app
and
that
that's
what
we
want
each
and
every
dog
owner
to
do
not
the
landfill
not
in
the
recycling,
not
in
the
green
bin
right
and
there's
good
reasons
for
that.
H
I
is
what
I'm
told
when
I
read
the
city's
reports
so
sitting
here,
I
I'd
have
to
remind
us
I
looked
at
the
city's
website
and
put
this
up,
the
city
says:
102
thousand
dollars
is
the
median
family
income
here.
So
even
though
Ottawa
has
a
were
the
second
highest
family
income
along
major
Canadian
cities,
so
it
worries
me
a
bit
that
we're
spending
so
much
time
on
saving
homeowners
like
10
cents,
maybe
on
bags
that
we're
helping
them
to
hold
their
hand
with
duck
factors
like
you
can
treat
most
of
us
as
adults.
H
You
can
treat
us
like
adults.
I
also
have
to
remind
you
that
if
you
look
at
the
average
annual
income
in
Ottawa,
so
the
average
per
person
income-
it's
it
depends
on
the
methodology
you
use.
If
you
include
my
kid
or
not
like
in
that
number,
it's
around
43
thousand
dollars
a
year's
averaging
and
so
I
worry.
On
average,
our
citizens
are
among
the
top
1%,
which
is
people
based
on
income
in
the
entire
planet,
Earth.
H
So
if,
if,
if
we
can't
afford
10
cents
a
bag
or
something
who
can
really
trouble,
so
I'd
like
to
tell
you
my
big
concern
about
the
plastic
bags
and
the
dog
waste,
putting
those
into
the
compost
I'm
really
concerned
as
a
composter,
that
it
degrades
the
quality.
These
are
the
interior
compost
quality
standards.
The
city
report
says
that
our
current
finished
material
is
a
a
unrestricted
use.
H
So
so
I.
Really,
though,
that
that
the
compost
quality
standards
I
just
did
a
quick
search
last
night
on
on
Google
and
and
it
found
out
that
if
the
thing
that
takes
it
from
category
a
a
down
to
category
B
or
category
A
or
unprocessed
organics
or
even
the
worst
case
scenario,
beneficial
use
products.
Those
are
worse,
the
worth
the
least
are
things
such
as
small
plastic
particles.
So
there's
thresholds
for
the
small
number
of
small
plastic
particles.
There
are
also
thresholds
for
e.coli
and
Salmonella.
These
are
things
that
I
would
expect.
H
Would
come
with
dog
waste
and
plastic
bags
and
that's
been
proven
in
other
municipalities,
so
I
am
just
a
bit
concerned
about
that.
I
also
support
the
recommendation
for
education,
so
the
six
hundred
thousand
eighth
year
in
education.
That's
amazing
I
also
support
the
dog
waste
pilot
project.
Let's
put
some
bins
in
there
right
now,
let's
put
them
in
tomorrow
and
but
just
deliver
it
to
the
sewage
treatment
facility,
which
is
where
you,
the
city,
are
telling
us
dog
owners
to
put
our
dog
waste
right
now
so
yeah.
H
Let's
do
the
pilot
project
just
take
it
to
the
right
place,
but
for
the
education
I'm
recommending
that,
maybe
you
look
at
other
ways
of
not
just
doing
it
all
yourself.
If
you
gave
$100,000
a
year
to
local
nonprofit
organizations,
we
can
leverage
other
friends
outside
of
the
city
budget,
so
things
like
Eco
action
could
match
it
to
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
That's
federal
money.
H
We
could
take
that
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
match
it
through
foundations
such
as
the
Ontario
Trillium
Foundation,
a
nonprofit
organization
could
I
mean
the
City
campus
city
can't
access
that
equal
action
funding.
They
can't
access
the
Trillium
Foundation
and
then
this
then
a
non-profit
or
a
bunch
of
nonprofits
would
have
at
least
three
hundred
thousand
dollars
a
year
to
spend
on
education
and
even
hire.
The
same.
P
A
B
You
mr.
chair,
thank
you
for
your
presentation
when
local
stores
charged
a
nickel
for
a
plastic
bag.
Do
you
think
plastic
bag
consumption
went
up
down
or
stayed
the
same?
I
I,
don't
know
it
went
drastically
down
in
some
shops
by
90%,
and
it's
because
people
don't
want
to
pay
a
nickel
for
a
plastic
bag
on
principle.
Some
people
leave
Loblaws
holding
their
goods
like
this
because
they
don't
want
to
pay
the
nickel
when
I
think
an
investment
in
the
nickel
in
that
case
is
probably
a
good
investment.
B
H
I
totally
agree
with
you
and
it's
not
easy
and
I'm,
suggesting
that
maybe
and
there's
many
households
I
know
that
can't
even
afford
it.
But
there
are
some
like,
even
though
a
lot
the
median
a
lot
of
us
are
making
a
lot
of
money.
Some
of
us
can't
even
afford
it,
and
so
that's
why
I'm
recommending
for
this
education
thing
if
you
shift
some
of
the
education
stuff
to
the
nonprofit
sector,
so
that
they
can
leverage
other
funding
that
frees
up
a
hundred
thousand
two
hundred
thousand
dollars.
H
If,
if
it
means
that
you
have
to
step
up
and
pay
an
extra
$100,000
or
find
a
way
to
find
$100,000
to
buy
some
bags
for
those
that
can't
afford
it
and
and
that
are
certified
in
compost,
I
think
that
that
would
be
great
I
because
I
know
as
a
citizen.
It's
easy
to
look
at
the
numbers
thing,
but
you
also
have
to
consider
that
there
are
a
lot
of
people
like
me
that
that
love
the
environment
and
and
like
making
the
best
use
of
existing
resources
and
we'll
pull
over
to
the
green
bin
program.
H
All
together.
If
it's
not
going
to
be
used
for
anything,
useful
I
can
put
a
gone
poster
in
my
backyard
and
recommend
that
all
my
neighbors
do
the
same
so
that
we
can
maximize
the
the
best
make
the
best
use
of
those
food
scraps
and
create
good,
healthy,
rich
organic
compost
that
can
be
used
in
our
community
parks
in
our
community
gardens
and
in
our
front
lawns.