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Transit Commission - February 21, 2018, Part 1
Agenda and background materials can be found at http://www.ottawa.ca/agendas.
A
Good
morning,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
Bonjour
power,
Madame's
Madame,
is
in
this
year,
as
we
in
the
first
Transit
Commission
meeting
for
2018
I'm
pleased
to
say
that
we'll
be
continuing
our
tradition
of
starting
each
mean
by
recognizing
OC
Transpo
trans
secured
recipients,
gist
reviv'd
analysis
on
suburb.
You
do
not
return.
A
Yonder
dim
LEDs,
with
the
black
you
see
on
the
transparent
color
can
use
a
long
quotes
in
the
way
that
traditional,
the
commands
a
shaken
down
by
L
the
homage
over
already
added
a
pretense
kill,
DC
Transvaal
for
those
who
may
not
be
familiar
with
the
trans
secure
program.
It's
a
well-established
community
watch
program
on
wheels.
Obviously,
transfer
employees
will
code
for
the
safety
of
all
community
members
and,
as
a
result,
become
the
eyes
and
ears
of
our
community.
They
notify
emergency
services
when
required
and
assist
individuals
who
are
in
distress.
A
Today,
we
will
hear
three
inspiring
stories
from
the
months
of
September,
October
and
November
2017
relay
infallible,
release
to
all
in
spirit
or
lorry
Adela
pre
concealed
a
Medusa
Tom
October,
a
no
van
de
MIDI
set
on
September
24th.
Around
10:30
a.m.
bus
operator
Mike
was
stationed
near
Confederation
Square
about
to
begin
his
regular
shift
on
route
12
when
he
suddenly
witnessed
a
young
male
in
the
distance
fall
and
begin
to
have
a
seizure.
The
parents
of
the
young
man
were
with
their
son.
However,
it
was
evident
that
we
needed
help.
A
The
control
center
quickly
advised
the
Auto
Police
Service,
who
confirmed
they
would
attend
to
the
call
Denis
was
able
to
keep
the
child
safe
and
unharmed
until
police
arrived
shortly
thereafter.
Following
some
negotiations
with
the
police,
the
man
eventually
relinquished
the
child
to
them.
The
man
was
subsequently
arrested
and
charged
thanks
to
Dennis's,
quick
thinking
and
reactive
nature.
The
child
was
kept
safe
and
unharmed
and
on
the
evening
of
November
2nd
bus
operator,
Halley
was
driving
a
route
131
on
Jean
d'arc
Boulevard
when
she
came
upon
a
six-year-old
boy,
walking
alone
in
the
rain.
A
Without
a
jacket
concerned
that
the
boy
might
be
lost,
Halley
pulled
over
to
stalk
her
bus.
She
asked
the
boy
if
he
was
okay
and
brought
him
on
board
the
bus
to
keep
him
safe
and
out
of
the
rain.
Healy
proceeded
to
notify
the
transit
operations
control
center
and
shortly
thereafter,
special
constables
and
the
Ottawa
police
arrived
on.
The
scene
turned
out
that
the
auto
police
had
been
looking
for
the
boy
they
had
been
contacted
after
the
boy
decided
to
walk
home
from
his
own
walk
home
on
his
own
from
the
Bob
McCrory
Recreation
Center.
A
B
A
A
We're
going
to
start
with
the
confirmation,
the
minutes
minutes
26
from
December
4
2017.
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
First.
Are
there
any
declarations
of
interest
seeing
none?
The
first
item
is
the
status
update,
Transit
Commission,
the
Commission
motions
increase
for
the
period
ending
13
February
2018
that
the
Commission
receive
the
report
for
information
is
this
received
received?
Thank
you.
A
C
C
To
give
some
background,
the
current
bylaw
in
its
current
form,
was
enacted
in
2007,
and
it
goes
on
for
a
number
of
pages
to
lay
out
the
rules
and
regulations
for
fares
transfers,
priority
seating
on
vehicles,
how
customers
and
staff
should
conduct
themselves
regulations
on
how
the
transit
way
is
to
operate
Park,
&,
Ride
lots
and
and
how
we
can
enforce
these
different
measures.
What
we're
recommending
here
fall
into
four
categories,
one
is
to
regulate
how
bicycles
are
carried
on
trains.
C
We
recommend
making
these
recommendations
to
adhere
to
council
policy,
to
support
and
encourage
sustainable
transportation.
Multimodal
connections
certainly
to
take
advantage
of
the
major
investment
in
the
Confederation
Line
project
to
handle
bicycles.
We
want
to
remove
artificial
barriers
so
that
there
is
no
prohibition
on
people
taking
bicycles
on
trains.
We
want
to
encourage
people
to
use
bicycles,
cycling
and
as
well
as
local
buses
for
connections.
C
We've
seen
people
transfer
bicycling
to
stations
from
one
to
five,
maybe
even
further
kilometres
away,
and
to
be
consistent
with
other
transit
agencies
with
rail,
as
we
are
moving
into
our
first
operation
of
a
very
high
capacity
rail
system.
Without
having
that
experience,
we
look
to
the
experience
of
others
to
inform
us
every
station
on
the
Confederation
line
and
most
other
translations
across
the
city
have
bicycle
parking,
and
so
a
lot
of
people
already
do
and
a
lot
of
people
will
want
to
bring
their
bicycles
to
a
station
and
and
park
them
at
the
station.
C
We
have
open-air
parking.
We
have
covered
parking
like
this,
and
thanks
to
some
federal
and
municipal
funding
this
year,
we'll
be
installing
enclosed
parking
at
at
selected
locations.
So
there's
a
wide
variety
of
parking
available
now
and
by
the
time
the
Confederation
Line
opens
we'll
have
well
over
a
thousand
parking
spaces
for
bicycles
across
the
many
many
stations
on
our
network
for
those
who
choose
to
carry
the
bicycle
onto
the
train.
C
Here's
a
couple
of
pictures
using
the
mock-up
that
show
how
a
bicycle
would
be
walked
onto
the
train
carefully,
not
never
ridden
on
a
platform
ridden
onto
the
train
and
how
the
customer
could
stand
or
sit
with
their
bicycle
in
the
multi-purpose
area.
The
multi-purpose
area
is
designed
on
our
trains
port.
For
this
reason,
it's
for
people
to
stand
or
sit
with
their
bicycles
with
their
luggage,
with
strollers
they're
carrying,
but
most
importantly,
for
people
who
have
disabilities
and
are
using
a
mobility
device
such
as
a
wheelchair
or
scooter.
C
C
The
current
situation
is,
the
bicycles
can
be
carried
on
buses
during
the
summer
months.
Only
from
April
to
October,
about
two-thirds
of
our
buses
are
equipped
with
bicycle
racks
during
the
summer
months,
and
we
we
have
about
about
ten
routes
on
which
we
guarantee
or
work
as
hard
as
we
can
to
make
sure
that
every
bus
in
those
routes
has
a
bicycle
rack.
C
Also,
bicycles
can
now
be
carried
on
the
Oh
train
trillium
line,
rather
than
what
we
would
do
on
the
Confederation
I'm
saying
it's
always
the
first
door
on
the
Trillium
Line
trains,
because
there's
only
two
doors
it
would
be
at
the
door.
That's
marked
with
a
bicycle
symbol:
we
looked
at
a
number
of
transit
systems
that
have
high-capacity
rail
operations
across
North
America,
including
five
in
Canada.
All
of
those
agencies
allowed
bicycles
on
board
trains.
All
of
them
had
restrictions
under
certain
conditions.
C
Most
of
them
have
a
provision
for
staff
to
manage
bicycles
such
as
after
major
events
or
other
times,
when
there's
whether
there's
a
severe
overcrowding.
So
this
table,
which
is
also
in
your
report,
lists
all
of
the
stations
all
of
the
systems
that
we
examined
their
their
bicycle
procedures
on
and
you'll
see
that
all
of
Canadian
systems
that
have
rail
operations
we're
following
their
lead
in
recommending
that
we
initially
opera,
Lau
bicycles
at
the
off-peak
times
of
the
day
and
of
the
week.
Our
next
recommendation
is
on
to
allow
pets
onto
trains
and
buses.
C
The
reasons
we're
recommending
this
a
would
allow
pet
owners
to
use
transit
when
they're,
taking
their
pet
to
appointments,
such
as
to
the
groomers.
The
vets,
the
city
spay,
neuter
clinic
right
now,
someone
who
doesn't
have
a
car
is
barred
from
using
transit
for
this
kind
of
travel
having
a
carrier
crate.
In
addition
to
defining
the
size
of
the
pet
keeping
it
small
without
introducing
artificial
measurements
would
also
reduce
the
contact
between
the
pets
and
other
customers
on
the
trains
and
buses.
C
There's
a
history
of
pet
owners
requesting
this
policy
there's
some
examples
listed
in
the
in
the
report
of
times
when
people
have
come
to
the
Transit
Commission
previously,
and
it's
consistent
with
most
transit
agencies
in
Canada
in
the
u.s..
The
background
is
that
occurred
by
law
prohibits
people
from
bringing
any
animal
other
than
a
service
animal
identified
by
an
assistant
card
on
to
transit
property
service.
C
Animals,
of
course,
are
permitted
and
must
be
permitted,
but
that
means
that
trans
customers
can't
take
their
pets
to
appointments
by
transit,
and
that
leaves
those
people
to
search
for
other
means
of
transport.
We
looked
at
18
other
transit
systems
across
the
continent,
including
six
in
Canada.
All
of
them
allow
pets
on
board.
Most
of
them
require
customers
to
have
the
pet
in
a
carrier
at
all
times.
C
The
third
is
to
seek
policy
direction
on
buskers
or
street
performers
we're
recommending
to
allow
buskers
to
perform
in
designated
locations
and
stations.
These
would
be
areas
that
are
near,
but
near
the
busy
parts
of
stations,
but
off
the
main
passenger
flow
where
they
can
conduct
a
good
business
entertain
our
customers
keep
it
lively,
but
not
block
passenger
flow
through
the
station.
C
The
reasons
that
we're
recommending
that
we're
recommending
an
improved
customer
experience,
it's
certainly
live-ins
up
stations
if
anyone
who's
had
experience
traveling
to
other
cities
around
the
world,
there's
an
increased
community
involvement.
People
who
are
musicians
or
other
forms
of
employment
performance
have
an
ability
to
get
it
and
perform
in
their
community,
and
it
really
makes
people
feel
safer
and
more
secure
because
there's
just
more
activity
and
there's
another
pair
of
eyes
in
that
corridor.
In
that
concourse.
C
C
We
looked
at
12
other
cities,
most
of
which
allow
busking
on
transit.
We
also
looked
at
the
procedures
in
place
here
in
Ottawa
and
the
by
would
market
and
it's
Park
Street.
Almost
all
of
the
programs
we
looked
at,
require
auditions
and
a
license
or
permit
some
require
a
fee
and
we're
not
recommending
a
fee.
So
this
table
here
shows
those
other
transit
systems
and
other
cities,
and
just
like
in
Ottawa,
where
there's
different
cases
depending
who
administers
the
space.
That's
also
similar
in
Montreal
and
in
Calgary,
so
those
are
our
three
main
recommendations.
C
The
next
steps
for
this
report.
After
it's
after
you
consider
it
today,
it
will
go
to
Council
for
consideration
next
week,
following
that
council
gasps
to
enact
the
bylaw
to
formally
put
it
into
place,
the
amendments
to
the
bylaw
would
come
into
effect
on
April,
2nd
and
based
on
that
policy
direction,
and
they
the
new
bylaw
being
in
place.
C
We
would
design
that
customer
material,
such
as
you
saw
for
signage
or
all
the
other
customer
Tyrael,
that
we
have
to
ready
for
people
who
are
going
to
be
new
to
using
rail,
Rapid
Transit
when
the
Confederation
line
comes
on
board.
So
mr.
chair,
that's
our
presentation
and
happy
to
answer
any
further
questions.
I.
A
D
Thanks
mister
chair,
it's
just
actually
amendment
to
the
table.
It
is
an
all
documentation.
So
it's
therefore
be
result
that
the
report
be
amended
to
substitute
the
revised
table
number
to
attach
for
this
motion
for
table
2
in
the
report
and
revising
the
discussion
section
to
reflect
all
18
agencies
that
allow
pets
on
board
transit
vehicles.
B
A
D
Good
morning,
members
of
the
transit
commission
committee,
my
name
is
Sabrina
Phoenix
and
I'm
here
as
one
of
the
many
Auto
citizens
that
would
benefit
from
the
allowance
of
pets
on
board
transit
vehicles
and
in
stations.
I
personally
have
no
access
to
a
question
or
vehicle,
so
I'm
relied
primarily
on
transit
for
majority
of
my
travel
and
I
am
also
a
pet
owner.
D
I
believe
is
far
more
superior
than
what
my
animal
would
produce
well
in
their
carrier
on.
Would
the
bus
or
train
there
is
also
an
option
for
people
to
either
move
or
request
up
the
pet.
We
moved
to
a
different
seat
should
they
be
concerned
regarding
an
allergic
reaction.
The
size
of
the
carrier
carrier
as
well
has
also
been
mentioned,
but,
as
I've
learned,
the
requirements
of
the
carrier
that
we
must
be
small
enough
to
fit
on
the
owners
lap.
D
This
is
approximately
the
size
of
any
backpacks
gym
bags
and
other
groceries
that
people
may
have
on
board
the
transit,
and
there
are
minimal
issues
and
complaints
regarding
people
having
work
backpacks
on
the
bus
as
well,
I
personally
own
three
cats,
one
of
which
actually
took
the
airplane
and
flew
with
me
when
I
initially
moved
out
here
to
Ottawa.
Her
name
is
Nemo
and
she's,
one
of
the
most
social
cats
and
that
I've
ever
met.
D
But
unfortunately,
many
of
the
locations
are
too
far
for
me
to
either
bike
or
walk
to,
and
so
I
have
not
been
able
to
pursue
any
opportunities,
yet
so
allowing
her
on
board
the
tribes
that
would
definitely
open
that
door.
For
me,
through
the
example
that
I've
prevented
you
with
today,
I
hope
that
this
has
allowed
you
to
put
a
face
to
this
issue
and
my
heart
really
beneficial
allowing
small
pets
on
trends.
It
would
be
thank
you
for
your
time
and
have
a
nice
day.
Thank.
A
D
Excellent,
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
You
counsel.
My
name
is
Julie
I've
been
artha
and
I'm
representing
bike.
Ottawa
and
I
want
to
say
first
off
that
we're
really
excited
about
accessing
the
LNT
and
how
that
actually
is
going
to
provide
even
more
options
for
multimodal
transportation
and
continuing
along
the
bike
bike
ride
bike
system
that
you're
proposing
and
encouraging
more
options
for
sustainable
transportation,
healthy
transportation,
active
transportation.
D
So
with
that,
in
speaking
of
the
future,
we
know
that
we're
expecting
a
lot
of
growth
and
even
though
the
Confederation
Line
is
going
to
be
open
from
litanies
pasture,
we're
going
to
expect
the
expansion
so
that
way,
all
of
the
existing
suburbs
are
going
to
have
more
access
and
easier
access
to
downtown.
So
what
would
be
useful
is
if
we
can
encourage
use
of
bikes
and
use
of
bikes
in
connecting
with
existing
cycling
infrastructure
and
also
in
providing
excellent
biking
bike
parking
facilities,
encourage
the
use
of
the
RIT.
D
For
the
launch
to
study
exactly
how
they're
used,
how
many
bicycles
actually
carried
onto
the
trains
and
what
types
of
people
are
using
it
currently,
there
are
over
600
buses
or
so
with
the
bike.
Racks
that
are
available
for
half
of
the
year
and
also
bikes
are
allowed
to
be
carried
onto
the
O
train.
So
with
those
existing
practices,
some
people
who
are
already
using
that
in
connecting
downtown
or
have
the
expectation
the
trains
should
be
permitted
by
bikes.
D
It
might
be
good
to
consider
extending
that
towards
the
LRT,
so
it
may
be
easier
to
make
adjustments
to
that.
So
if
there
are
too
many
bicycles,
then
start
restricting
times
or
maybe
having
only
so
many
bicycles
per
train
or
so
many
bicycles
per
area
at
the
discretion
of
the
drivers.
We're
not
opposed
to
that,
but
those
changes.
D
D
We
doubt
that
there
will
be
conflicts
with
passengers
and
too
many
bicycles
on
the
trains,
also
to
consider
the
users
so
again,
people
who
are
like
on
black
and
roll
and
also
do
encourage
active
transportation.
So
perhaps
people
who
cannot
make
an
entire
trip
roundtrip
this
gives
them
an
option
to
take
the
LNT
or
use
buses
and
connecting
to
public
transit
to
help
supplement
the
ride,
also
in
very
difficult
weather.
D
This
offers
another
option
to
remove
cyclists
from
the
roads,
and
so
that
way,
if
it's
rainy
or
snowy
or
icy
or
foggy,
they
have
other
options,
and
they
don't
have
to
be
on
the
road,
so
that
might
actually
help
encourage
safe
transportation.
In
regards
to
the
studies
in
other
cities,
those
designs
are
from
transit,
that's
been
used
or
built
in
the
1980s.
D
A
E
A
F
My
name
is
Coleman
Esther
I'm
and
a
senior
citizen,
a
resident
of
Ottawa
and
I
am
a
bicycle
enthusiasts.
I
look
at
this
report
and
this
reporting
has
nothing
but
fluff
in
it.
It's
got
no
foot,
no
substance
to
it.
It
doesn't
tell
us
how
many
people
use
the
rack
and
roll.
It
just
says
it's
successful
program.
F
It
says
the
rack
and
wall
system
will
continue
on
unchanged.
Yet
as
far
as
I
understand
something
like
95%
of
the
buses
that
go
into
the
downtown
core
during
rush
hour
won't
go
into
the
downtown
core.
It
doesn't
tell
us
how
many
what
the
capacity
on
the
train
is
for
bicycles
in
limits
bicyclists
to
one
entry,
while
there's
14
doors
and
there's
multi-use
areas
more
than
one
place
on
that
train.
You.
F
Don't
have
any
statistics
here:
you've
got
a
whole
list
of
various
locations,
other
cities
that
use
trains,
but
don't
provide
any
information
as
to
how
they're
comparable
with
us,
Calgary
Transit,
built
their
see
train
system
starting
in
the
1970s.
As
far
as
I
remember
and
I
lived
there
until
about
20
years
of
15
years
ago.
It
was
never
designed
for
bicycles.
There
was
no
position
for
it.
F
F
A
A
E
Morning
so
I'm
here
today,
because
I'm
disappointed
about
the
bomb
on
cycles
during
rush
hour
times
I
get
around
by
bike,
and
it
seems
that
if
the
Train
as
it's
designed
right
now,
is
going
to
be
so
full
six
o'clock
in
the
morning
that
there's
no
room
for
any
bikes
at
all
on
the
train,
then
it's
going
to
be
a
disaster
either.
This
train
is
way
too
small
for
the
amount
of
people
are
going
to
be
using
it
or
the
policy
doesn't
make
sense
and
it
should
be.
There
are
less
for
bikes.
E
E
Looking
it
looks
like
what
happened
was,
but
the
community
looked
at
other
cities
and
saw
what
they
were
doing
chose
the
trailing
half,
because
the
majority
of
those
cities
on
the
report
allow
bikes
at
all
times
the
minority
banned
bikes
during
rush
hour.
So
we
went
with
the
minority
and
decided
to
ban
them
without
evidence
like
how
many
people
are
expected
to
ride
their
bikes
onto
the
train.
There's
no
evidence
of
that.
Also
of
the
people.
Currently,
taking
their
bikes
on
what
times
are
they
going
out
again?
It's
not
sure.
E
Is
it
really
just
between
8
and
9?
If
there's
a
problem
and
expected
capacity
is
going
to
be
too
low
or
is
it
really
from
6
to
9?
If
that's
the
case,
then
I'd
like
to
see
the
numbers
this,
this
train
is
only
the
first
phase
of
a
longer
approach
right,
so
with
phase
2
7%
of
Ottawa
is
going
to
be
within
five
kilometers,
so
the
pain
in
that
case
taking
the
train
with
your
bike,
perfect
sense,
anyone
can
bite
pretty
much
five
kilometers.
E
If
you
have
moody
or
River
Site
south,
and
you
want
to
go
out
to
Orleans,
it's
a
pretty
far
away
to
go
by
bike,
but
making
the
Train
taking
the
train
would
make
that
a
nice
journey
to
do.
You
could
go
from
Riverside
South.
Take
your
bike
onto
the
train,
go
to
Orleans
get
off,
but
if,
for
six
hours
of
the
day,
you're
not
able
to
do
that,
then
there's
no
other
alternative,
because
currently
people
can
do
the
rock
and
roll.
E
A
It
for
me,
thank
you
very
much
sure
mr.
kresge
are
there
any
questions
for
the
speaker
see
none.
Thank
you
very
much
for
coming
out
this
morning.
There
are
no
other
speakers
on
the
list
sorted
closed
delegations
I
do
have
a
speaker's
list
going.
So
if
you'd
like
to
ask
questions,
let
me
know
cal
certainty.
Go
ahead.
D
Great
Thank
You
mr.
chair
had
a
few
questions
to
staff
in
regards
to
the
the
in
regards
to
the
pet
side
of
things.
I
was
noticing
that
it
mentioned
small
animal,
so
I
have
to
think
it's
probably
more
than
just
cats
and
dogs.
It
would
probably
could
be
snakes
in
a
train
knows
maybe
Noah's
out
by
the
end
of
the
day,
what
kind
of
animals
would
be
allowed
on
the
train?
We
talking
exotic
animals
as
well
as
spiders
snakes,
different
things
like
that
snake.
Some
theory.
C
Mr.
chair
I'll
draw
your
attention
to
page
19
of
the
report
that
lays
out
what
the
bylaw
would
say
and
it
would
say
that
no
animal
may
be
brought
on
the
train
unless
the
animal
is
transported
and
enclosed
em
he'll
container,
such
as
an
animal
carrier
or
crate
that
is
secured
at
all
times,
such
that
the
animal
does
not
inconvenience
or
jeopardize
the
safety
of
other
persons
or
transit
property
and
subject
to
any
other
conditions
as
may
be
imposed
by
the
director.
C
So
the
dialogue
would
provide
that
animals
may
be
brought
on
board
if
they're
in
the
enclosed
handheld
carrier
container.
As
we
said,
they
can
small
enough
to
be
kept
on
someone's
lap
and
keeps
the
animal
from
interacting
with
other
passengers
on
the
train.
It
doesn't
specify
we
wouldn't
specify
what
sorts
of
animals
that
could
be
okay.
So,
yes,.
D
C
D
C
D
C
D
Done
this
before
it
failed
and
I'm
not
really
sure
why
but
I
guess,
I
look
at
some
of
what
I
surmise,
because
I
had
to
go
through
and
read
some
of
the
minutes.
I
guess:
OPH
came
back
with
rabies,
pet
feces
and
urine
being
some
of
the
challenges
from
from
animals
and
that's,
unfortunately,
I
think
how
the
vote
fell
back
then
so
I
just
want
to
know.
Is
there
new
information?
Now
that's
changed.
Is
it
just
because
more
transit
groups
are
moving
in
this
direction?
Do
you
feel.
C
Well
has
certainly
been
mr.
chair,
continued
interest
from
our
customers
and
being
able
to
travel
with
their
pets
when
we
speak
to
OPH.
They
tell
us
as
documented
here
that
all
of
their
concerns
that
they
have
can
be
managed
by
our
our
procedures
and
when
we
look
at
transit
systems
across
the
continent.
No
other
major
transit
system
has
the
kind
of
restrictions
that
we
have
in
Ottawa.
Okay,.
D
And
forgive
me
I
do
have
a
couple
questions
that
I'm
asking
on
behalf
of
other
another
counselor
as
well.
It's
not
on
this
committee.
Is
there
any
costs?
And
forgive
me
if
it's
in
the
document,
I
I,
look
I
didn't
see.
Anything
is
earning
costs,
implications
on
start-up
enforcement's
that
are
a
part
of
it.
C
D
C
D
D
C
D
C
Mr.
chary,
that
would
not
be
plural
procedures.
That's
correct!
We
have
currently
no
special
protection
for
people
who
come
into
contact
with
any
sort
of
allergy.
We
have
the
advice
from
OPH
that
that
all
of
the
allergens
that
people
have
from
pets
are
just
as
likely
to
be
carried
on
in
the
clothes
of
other
customers,
as
they
are
in
the
by
the
pet
itself,
but
we're
ready
to
help
in
any
case
of
a
medical
emergency.
Okay,
wonderful
and
I
do
have.
D
C
When
the
trains
during
the
trains
during
the
week
will
run
is
a
two-car
train
and
there
are
four
multi-purpose
areas
designated
on
each
a
car,
so
it
will
be
eight
per
train
by
asking
the
cyclists
to
move
to
the
far
and
to
the
first
door
of
the
Train
and
to
use
the
first
multi-purpose
area
that
will
be
adjacent
to
that
door.
That
ensures
that
the
other
seven
multi-purpose
areas
will
remain
available
for
people
who
are
using
scooters
wheelchairs,
bringing
luggage
with
them
have
strollers
with
them.
C
Anything
else
is
taking
up
space
in
choosing
that
first
door.
We
were
first
of
all
inspired
by
the
example
of
Montreal,
who
does
the
same.
That
is
very
easy
to
watch
very
easy
to
communicate
and
we're
also
checking
against
the
design
of
the
stations.
The
main
flow
of
customers
is
all,
but
one
of
the
platform's
away
from
that
location
and
at
every
station.
C
The
main
location
where
people
with
disabilities
would
be
coming
to
the
platform
by
elevator
is
quite
some
distance
away
from
that
first
door
of
the
train,
so
that
would
be
they
of
the
eight
multi-purpose
areas
per
trained.
That's
the
one
where
there
would
always
be
the
least
conflict
or
contention
for
space
with
other
customers
who
need
that
space.
Ok,.
D
So
again,
just
from
the
operator
perspective,
the
trains
a
little
different
I
mean
they're
up
in
the
front
cab.
So
it's
it's
not
the
same.
I
assume
those
as
a
bus
were
their
open
environment.
They're
right
there.
If
there's
a
bike,
a
stroller
and
Alaska
their
scooter
gets
on
onto
the
vehicle
and
there's
no
more
space
again.
Do
they
operate
or
make
a
determination
who
wins?
In
that
scenario,
on.
C
The
trains
mr.
chair,
the
operator,
does
not
interact
with
customers.
The
operator
is
in
his
or
her
cab,
taking
care
of
the
safe
operation
of
the
Train,
responding
to
emergencies,
but
not
not
guiding
the
customers
on
how
to
behave.
So
we
need
regulations
in
place,
an
information
in
place
that
will
guide
customers
to
the
right
location,
so
they
so
they
won't
end
up
in
conflict
with
each
other
and.
D
Keep
great,
and
so
mr.
chair
I've
got
a
lot
of
questions
still
in
my
mind,
I'll
wait
for
the
rest
of
the
colleagues
that
answer
questions
should
it
be
in
the
same
vein.
I
do
ask
so
these
seem
like
two
very
different
issues.
At
the
end
of
the
day,
pets
and
bicycles.
Does
this
have
to
be
voted
on
as
one
individual
item,
or
can
this
be
split.
A
D
D
C
The
I
can
tell
you
that
the
one
agency
that
we
reached
out
to
to
discuss
this
in
more
depth
as
we
do
for
so
many
things.
Calgary
is
a
great
competitor
for
Ottawa
being
another
cold
city.
Other
cities
same
size,
many
many
more
years
of
experience
with
rail
operations.
We
particularly
asked
them
whether
because
they're
in
the
same
situation,
their
operators
in
the
cab
and
not
able
to
supervise
the
Train,
we
asked
them
in
particular.
Did
they
have
any
problem
enforcing?
C
C
We
certainly
know
that
a
number
of
the
cities,
especially
the
Canadian
cities,
have
asked
cyclists
to
travel
with
their
bicycles
other
than
adopt
peak
times
to
keep
the
full
capacity
available
on
the
train.
So
now
you
know
we're
recommending
something
that
is
consistent
with
other
cities
across
the
country.
Okay,.
D
Well,
my
problem
is
the
constituents
that
I
represent
primarily
are
users
of
the
Trillium
wine,
and
the
trading
women
currently
allows
bicycles
on
the
train
all
the
time.
So
when
I
read
this
report
and
in
this
report
says
the
recommended
policy
changes
would
permit
customers
to
bring
bicycles
on
their
terms.
It
should
actually
save
the
recommender
policy.
D
I
would
say
this
transit
Commission
needs
to
find
a
way
to
get
to
yes,
not
tomorrow,
you
need
to
start
by
saying:
let's
allow
this,
let's
review
it
in
you.
If
there's
a
problem,
you
address
it
then,
but
the
other
thing
in
a
report
that
disturbed
news,
the
request,
delegate
authority
for
certain
of
the
times
that
bikes
could
be
allowed
on
the
trains.
To
start.
That's
a
policy
issue,
you
don't
delegate
policy
decisions,
you
make
the
policy
and
they
come
back
if
they
want
to
change
the
policy.
D
So,
just
to
recap:
them
I'm
here
to
ask
you
not
to
reduce
the
service
on
the
trail,
remind
people
that
I
represent
to
get
to
yes
to
allow
as
many
people
who
want
to
take
their
bikes
on
the
trains
to
do
so,
because
we're
here
to
encourage
ridership,
not
discourage
ridership
and
every
time
you
put
an
impediment
in
the
way
you're
discouraging
ownership,
so
I'm
hoping
you're
going
to
reduce
the
reverse.
This
recommendation
to
say:
allow
the
bikes
on
trains
and,
if
there's
a
problem,
we'll
address
it
when
their
problem
arise.
D
E
You
very
much
sure
first
I
do
want
to
ask
one
question
about
the
the
busking
aspect
of
this
report.
Ottawa
is
in
the
process
of
creating
a
music
strategy.
Busking
opportunities
would
be
particularly
interesting
will
working
in
close
partnership
with
the
Ottawa
music
industry
coalition.
Will
you
be
working
with
the
omec
in
order
to
develop
a
busking
schedule
and
framework?
Yes,.
C
E
I
know
they'll
be
excited
about
that.
I
want
to
turn
to
bikes
on
trains,
a
number
of
questions
and
we've
heard
it
from
councillor
Dean's.
We've
heard
it
from
public
delegations
with
respect
to
the
lack
of
data
in
this
report
of
a
lack
of
any
basis
upon
which
we
should
be
assumed
that
there's
going
to
be
a
problem.
Do
we
know
how
many
people
currently
use
rack
and
rail.
C
It's
been
quite
a
few
years
since
we
took
any
surveys.
What
we
have
done
in
in
the
last
five
eight
years
is
monitor
for
problems
and
respond
to
customer
requests.
But
it's
been
quite
some
time
since
we
took
a
survey,
a
census
by
by
operators
or
anyone
else,
so
we
won't
know
him.
We
did
that
in
the
early
years
to
in
order
to
inform
transit,
Commissioner
Transit
Committee
of
the
time
and
whether
it
should
be
made
a
permanent
feature
of
the
the
service.
E
E
C
You
can
see
the
multi-purpose
area
there.
This
is
an
example
of
one
person
standing
with
with
the
bicycle
you
can
see.
There
would
be
room
for
two,
possibly
a
third
one
beside
them,
but
a
third
one.
There
would
really
start
to
block
that
corridor.
You
know
it's
it's
not
it's
physically
going
to
fit.
You
can
see.
There's
four
flip-down
seats
against
the
wall,
which,
if
you're
standing
there
with
a
large
object
like
a
by
score,
a
big
stroller.
C
Those
flip-down
seats
might
not
be
able
to
be
used
or
you
can
move
the
bike
to
one
end
and
sit
down
I'm
going
to
guess
that
that
person
and
that
bicycle
are
taking
the
space
of
about
you
know
at
busy-busy
times,
perhaps
four,
maybe
six
customers
on
the
train,
obviously
that
they
count
as
one
of
the
customers.
So
the
question
is
how
much
space
is
the
bicycle
itself
taking
up?
C
And
you
know
you
can
sort
of
see
that
it
would
be
in
that
range
of
four
three
that
amount
of
floor
stakes
being
taken
up,
or
so
that
number
seats
being
taken
out
of
service
and
if
it
displaces
those
three
or
four
people.
Sorry,
what
is
the
total
capacity
of
the
Train?
The
total
capacity
of
the
Train
we're
designing
the
service
for
each
train
to
carry
six
hundred
customers
at
peak
peak
bit
and
well
know
we're
designing
it
at
that
way.
Upkeep
times.
C
E
C
Level
of
service
will
accommodate
all
customers
who
we
expect
to
travel
as
we've
talked
about
before.
We
think
it's
likely
that
there
will
be
more
people
returning
to
transit
once
the
transit
wait.
Construction
is
over,
there
may
be
more
people
coming
to
transit
because
of
the
quality
of
service
that
the
old
train
provides.
C
There
might
be
more
people
coming
to
transit
in
in
the
future
because
of
the
economic
growth
that
can
happen
because
the
investment
in
the
old
train,
but
those
would
all
be
matched
by
over
the
long
longer
period
those
will
be
matched
by
capacity
increases.
The
question
here
is:
what's
it
going
to
be
like
how
are
people
going
to
distribute
themselves?
What's
the
experience
going
to
be
on
the
first
day,
the
first
month
in
the
first
year
of
operation
of
a
plant
new
service
for
the
people
of
Ottawa,
but.
C
Asynchronous
outside
of
downtown
that's
certainly
true.
Inside
of
downtown,
we
have
people
travelling
in
both
directions.
You
know
there
will
be
people
on
that
when
you're
trained
hope
is
people
traveling
from
the
east
to
as
far
west,
for
instance
as
penisy
station
before
they
go
to
their
workplace
from
the
West
as
far
east.
C
As
you
are,
are
these
the
busiest
sections
going
to
be
those
five
stations
in
the
middle
and
that's
it
wouldn't
be
feasible
to
do
what,
for
instance,
GO
Transit
does,
which
is
allow
the
bicycles
on
off-peak
direction,
or
you
can
say,
a
train.
That's
leaving
downtown
Toronto
is
definitely
leaving
downtown
Toronto
because
we're
an
urban
system
crossing
over
the
flow.
C
Any
sort
of
regulation
is
about
off-peak
direction.
With
this
initial
stage
would
be
just
wouldn't
say,
meaning
less
that
very
close
to
it.
You
know
a
westbound.
What's
the?
What
is
the
off-peak
stations
out
of
a
westbound
trip?
People
are
still
going
to
work
up
to
Tiny's
pasture
people
are
joining
the
train
downtown
to
go
further
west.
We
will
see
over
time
how
people
distribute
themselves
in
the
trains,
and
so
we're
recommending
a
cautious
approach
that
doesn't
that
prevents
us
from
having
conflict
that
that
might
occur
if
things
go
badly
for
people
that.
E
C
There
is
yes
operator
will
understand
how
full
or
not
the
Train
is.
The
operator
will
will
have
their
primary
task,
be
the
safe
operation
of
the
Train.
Of
course,
you
know.
Monitoring
for
emergencies
will
always
be
able
to
look
at
those
video
cameras.
If
there's
a
if
there's
a
reason
to
okay
and
this
er
is.
C
Of
the
conditions
on
the
train,
not
on
the
train,
what
we
are
imagining
we
would
do
in
the
case
of
a
major
fo
passengers.
My
example
is
like
the
first
half
hour
or
the
first
45
minutes,
something
like
that
after
the
fireworks
on
Canada
Day
that
we
would
have
supervisors
at
the
entrance
is
asking
people
with
bicycles
to
consider
cycling
to
where
they're
going
or
waiting
until
the
large
crusher
passions
is
over.
But
there's
no
there's
no
technology
on
the
train
to
provide
that
train
by
train
information.
So.
E
C
C
Now
whether
they're
on
the
bike
racks
are
under
a
roof
and
we
are
adding
this
year,
our
first
enclosed
parking
areas
where
people
will
be
able
to
register
and
get
a
pass
to
open
a
long,
sheltered
area
and
leave
their
their
bicycle
and
as
well
as
others
inside
this
logged
shelter
on
the.
So
those
three
forms
exist
across
the
the
network
and
but
on
the
Trillium
Line
stations.
On
these
13
stations.
C
There
will
be
covered
and
open
parking
and
that's
following
the
directions
set
by
council
when
the
design
decisions
were
made
for
the
Confederation
line
and
you'll
also
recall
the
council
at
that
time,
direct
the
staff
to
double
the
amount
of
bicycle
parking
in
each
one
of
the
stations,
so
the
enclosed
parking
that
we'll
be
adding
later
on
this
year.
The
only
Confederation
Line
station,
where
there's
a
feasible
space
to
put
that
in
at
this
time,
is
that
salad
station
we'll
be
looking
for
more
possibilities
after
the
property's
turned
over
to
us.
C
Also
I
can
say
that
at
all
of
the
Confederation
Line
stations
not
universally
true
all
of
our
other
stations.
The
bicycle
parking
is
all
under
surveillance
by
CCTV
cameras.
So
if
there
is
any
theft,
vandalism
other
sorts
of
damage,
the
CCTV
can
be
used
for
Investigative
purposes
and
perhaps
as
a
deterrence
for
those
activities
to
take
place
in
the
first
place,
because
I
do
get.
E
Periodic
notes
about
bike
theft
from
transit
stations
and
it
seems
to
fluctuate
up
and
down
security,
is
going
to
be
really
critical.
We
are
proposing
at
least
you're
proposing
to
bar
bikes
during
peak.
How
will
you
make
the
determination
that
you
no
longer
need
to
what
is
that
monitoring?
What
is
the
threshold?
How
many
customers
displaced
would
help
you
to
make
a
recommendation
that.
C
C
Elements
that
are
taken
into
the
the
multi-purpose
areas
see
how
full
they
first
car
of
the
train
that
around
that
first
door
is
and
here
being.
If,
if
people
choose
to
walk
down
a
platform
and
distribute
themselves
evenly
on
the
train,
there
would
be
more
comfortable
Rivlin
but
also
be
new.
You
know
a
lot
of
places.
People
just
go
on
the
first
door
they
can
find,
but.
E
C
Think
it
needs
to
be
subjective
by
the
nature
of
the
work
that
you're
looking
for,
whether
there
is
space,
whether
there
is
not
whether
they're
our
problems
at
other
times
the
day
that
we
need
to
manage,
whether
our
information
is
getting
through
to
people
properly,
whether
they're
having
any
trouble
interpreting.
What
we're
asking
them
to
do.
I
think
by
its
nature
it
it
must
be
subjective
because
of
its
because
the
the
nature
of
mass
transit.
Okay,
that
it.
E
Leaves
open
the
possibility
that
we
are
going
to
continue
a
ban
on
the
basis
that
three
or
four
people
per
trip
might
be
displaced
and,
and
we've
said,
that's
too
many
like
I'd
like
to
know.
If
there's
a
number,
is
it
a
hundred
people
who
are
having
to
wait
200
people
who
are
having
to
wait?
There
needs
to
be
some
basis
upon
which
we
can
make
that
decision
at
some
point
in
future,
I'm
actually
going
to
propose
that
we
make
the
best
assumptions
about
how
the
system
is
going
to
work.
E
E
Therefore
be
it
resolved
that
OC
Transpo
permit
bicycles
on
the
Confederation
and
Trillium
lines
without
time
restrictions
subject
to
extraordinary
demand,
management
and
the
proposed
restrictions
on
front
board,
boarding
and
storing
in
the
multi-purpose
area
only
and
that
the
transit
bylaw
be
amended
accordingly.
Thank
You
mr.
chair.
A
G
I
I
would
support
the
councillor,
charity
and
carving
off
that
question.
If
we
can.
The
second
concern
I
have
is
just
regarding
the
trains
all
year
round
and
the
lack
of
data
around
this.
You
know
obviously
I
think
there's
some
questions
around
the
table
here
about
restricting
and
and
what
again
I
wish
I'd
been
able
to
see
a
little
bit
more
detail
as
to
what
on
what
we
consider
on
peak
year.
What
we
consider
off-peak,
I,
see
any
mention
and
again
I
may
have
missed
it,
but
at
any
mention
of
a
special
event.
G
So
what
I'm
thinking
here
is
everybody
biking
to
Blues,
Fest
and
then
getting
on
the
train
on
their
way
out,
because
that's
off-peak,
so
you
know
I
believe
that
councillor
leapers
motion
kind
of
deals
with
that.
The
extra
meeting
circumstances
that
is
super
high
peak
scenarios
but
I,
would
be
curious
to
know
what
staff
Dean's
on
peak
and
off-peak
is
for
reference
in
this
report.
C
C
G
G
Want
kind
of
wordsmith
a--
and
with
regard
to
that,
you
know
the
number
of
bikes
what's
the
enforcement
mechanism,
I
understand
that
you
know
when
we
discussed
the
the
roll
out
of
rail
that
we're
going
to
have
added
staff
at
train
stations,
helping
people
get
to
their
final
destination,
and
I
and
I
fully
support
that.
I
understand
that.
G
That's
probably
going
to
be
a
limited
time
that
you
know
a
year
or
two
years
down
the
line:
we're
not
going
to
have
customer
service
staff
collecting
people
on
how
to
enter
an
exit
up
tray,
and
I
I
hope
that
people
will
have
the
common
sense
to
be
able
to
do
that.
What
length
of
period
or
we
look
for
that
sort
of
added
support
and
added
cost,
and
do
we
have
an
end
date.
Mr.
C
Chair
we
planned
to
have
customer
service
staff
on
the
system
at
all
times
we're
planning
to
have
a
supervisory
staff
on
system
at
all
times,
you're
planning
to
have
special
constables
on
the
system
at
all
times,
but
they'll
be
working
throughout
the
whole
station
and
imagine
that
the
customer
service
staff
will
initially
be
spending
much
more
of
their
time,
helping
people
with
the
fare
system
with
travel
planning
a
customer.
The
supervisory
staff
will
be
spending
most
of
their
time.
Assisting
operators
to
keep
trains
running
smoothly
and
safely
and
special
constables
will
primarily
be
dealing
with.
C
G
With
regard
to
the
stations,
in
my
mind,
I'm
thinking
bleurgh
station
in
councillor,
Chinese,
writing
is
a
nice
easy
station
where
I,
don't
think,
train
loading
or
disembarking
is
can
be
an
issue,
whereas
the
station
may
be
like
read.
Oh
we're
gonna
see
a
little
bit
more
of
a
congestion
issue
as
far
as
stairs
and
bringing
those
bicycles
out
of
the
trains
platform
and
to
the
surface.
What
what
facilities
have
we
built
in
beyond
the
that
will
allow
individuals
either
a
non
peak
or
off-peak
whatever?
C
In
addition
to
the
elevators
and
remember,
there's
two
elevators
so
that
if
there's
always
narrator
if
one's
down
the
other
ones
working
in
these
elevators
are
large,
elevators
they're
big
enough
for
a
couple
of
bicycles,
they're
big
enough
for
a
big
powered
wheelchair.
In
addition
to
that,
every
one
of
the
stairwells
has
a
trough
or
what's
called
in
the
business
of
runnel,
that
allows
people
to
put
the
wheels
of
the
bicycle
in
that
trough
and
roll
it
up
or
down
as
they
walk
up
or
down
the
stairs.
We
have
one
of
those
already
for
anyone.
C
Who's
used
the
walkway
from
Somerset
down
to
the
multi-use
pathway
on
the
east
side
of
the
old
train,
trail
iam
line,
so
that
it
just
it
just
allows
that
advice
would
be
boiled,
so
it
doesn't
have
to
be
effed
it
up
on
the
shoulder
there's.
A
lot
of
people
are
also
ready
to
just
sling
it
up
on
the
shoulder
and
go
with
any.
You
know.
G
My
concern
is
that
we
don't
have
within
this
report
a
definite
determination
of
what
on
peak
and
off
peak
is,
and
that
concerns
me.
We
don't
have
a
definite
determination
as
to
what
the
enforcement
mechanism,
if
we
find
somebody
on
the
bus
on
a
train-
that's
empty
during
on
peak
time
and
and
how
that's
going
to
be
enforced
and
what
that's
going
to
take.
Maybe
our
special
constables
away
from
I
don't
see
the
level
of
detail
data
as
far
as
statistics
that
others
have
mentioned.
G
E
Think
which
mr.
chair
I
want
to
start
with
the
the
Bhaskar
issue.
First,
I
notice
that
your
recommendation
is
that
there'd
be
no
fee
and
on
the
accompanying
chart
some
places
charge
fees,
some
don't
what
are
we
doing
the
rest
of
Ottawa?
You
want
to
busk
on
the
market,
for
example
on
SPARC
Street:
do
we
charge
a
fee
or
don't
we
charge
a
fee
for
that?
E
I
guess
we're
going
here
is
sort
of
a
fairness
or
consistency.
If
you
want
to
busk
in
those
areas
we're
going
to
charge
you
port,
but
if
you
want
to
bust
in
in
the
LRT
stations
were
not
so
it
seems
to
me
that
that
it
it
should
be
one
or
the
other
so
I'm
morning
how
he
came
to
the
conclusion.
If
we
charge
in
other
places
in
the
city
we're
not
going
to
charge
that
similar
type
performers
in
the
LRT
station,
it
seems
to
me
it
should
be
about
consistency
in
fairness.
Mr.
E
E
Don't
I,
don't
see
it
on
the
report,
so
maybe
between
now
and
and
council,
we
could
have
that
the
second
piece
soon
as
I
understand
it's
sort
of
free-flowing
at
this
point
terms
of
setting
up
a
process,
if
you
will
for
auditioning
and
approving
I,
would
hope.
Part
of
that
process
would
be
and
if
you're
taking
suggestions,
I'd
urge
you
to
take
this
one
that
allows
for
rotation.
So
in
other
words,
just
because
you're
going
to
prove
once
doesn't
mean
you
have
a
permanent
place
in
the
LRT
station.
E
I
think
we
should
be
able
to
provide
as
much
opportunity
as
possible
for
the
area
musicians
jugglers,
whatever
fire
leaders,
whatever
they
might
be
to
sort
of
cycle
through
the
system.
So
we
thought
with
you
but
again
the
report
on
the
speech
but
seems
to
me
that
makes
sense.
So
pets
are
no
issue
on
the
pets.
I
think
that's
that's
reasonable.
We
already
have
pets
in
large
part
allowed
on
through
companion
or
service
animals.
I
think
the
size
and
the
crate
restrictions
make
sense.
E
Let's
talk
a
little
bit
about
about
the
Viking
issue
as
I
think
it
was
mission.
Milner
pointed
out.
The
report
doesn't
speak
to
a
particular
peak
time.
You've
indicated
that
6
to
9
3
to
6
I've
had
the
pleasure
of
riding
our
system
at
6:00
in
the
morning
on
certain
occasions
to
get
to
City
Hall
for
really
meetings.
E
That's
not
a
bigot
the
system.
It
runs
on
time,
but
it
doesn't
see
me
it's
hugely
busy
at
that
hour
and
I'm
wondering
if
staff
would
would
consider
the
possibility
of
maybe
peak
is
6:30
to
9
and
starts
at
3:30
to
6:00,
and
that
allows
a
bit
more
flexibility
for
people
that
might
be
using
the
system,
whether
that's
something
that
you
can
consider
and
again
that's
something
you
could
consider
between
now
and
and
when
it
comes
back
to
Council.
E
C
E
So
who
controls?
That
of
that
is
that
the
driver
is
that,
can
the
passengers
hold
it
back,
envisioning,
building
on
what
Commission
Milner
said,
somebody's
trying
to
get
the
bike
out,
I'm
a
I'm,
a
pedestrian
passenger?
If
you
are
I,
get
off
the
train
too,
why
you
get
your
bike
on
and
I
envision
me
standing
on
the
platform
as
the
train
goes
by
because
I
didn't
jump
back
on
fast
now,
so
can
we
adjust
for
that
for
the
scenario?
Yes.
C
E
Seems
to
me
the
common
issue
of
a
common
complaint
or
anger
seems
to
be
that
there
doesn't
seem
to
be
enough
information
in
the
report,
especially
around
bike
usage,
which
I
think
prompted
councilor
leaper
to
bring
us
motion
which
suggests
that
we
we
just
let
things
happen
all
through
the
day,
with
with
bikes
and
and
sort
of
see
what
happens.
My
concern
with
that
approach
is
it
does
the
same
thing
that
the
report
does.
It
makes
a
recommendation
without
any
substantive
information
behind
it,
a
recommendation,
that's
more
pleasing
to
mr.
E
or
to
Alto,
Reaper
and
I,
understand
that,
but
it
logically
it
does
the
same
thing.
There's
there's
no,
there's
no
independent
evidence
to
suggest
how
many
people
using
the
rock-and-roll
how
many
cyclists
are
overall
in
order
to
support
doing
it.
The
way
the
council
reaper's
suggesting,
as
opposed
to
what
the
report
is
suggesting.
So
a
couple
of
questions
on
that
so
to
to
Wiegel.
Is
there
any
impediment
to
the
implementation
of
the
bylaw
if
this
was
deferred
for
a
month
or
two
to
allow
OSI
transfer
to
collect
some
metrics
in
that
regard?
Chair.
F
E
It
seems
to
me
the
issue
here
is
where
we're
trying
to
make
a
decision
without
what
most
people
are.
Mattia
will
feel
adequate
information
in
front
of
us
I.
Think
one
of
the
citizen
delegation
said
fluff
I,
don't
think
it's
staff
do
try
to
do
the
job
as
well
as
they
can,
but
but
I
think
there's
a
consensus
that
we
we
might
need
a
little
bit
more
meat
on
our
plate,
so
we
can
make
this
decision
in
a
responsible
and
reasonable
way.
So
what
I
was
going
to
suggest
is
or
ask
you
mr.
E
Scrimgeour,
as
an
alternative
to
the
approach
suggested
by
Carol
Reaper?
Are
you
guys,
Assoc
transpo
open
to
putting
this
report
off
for
say
two
months
to
allow
you
to
collect
some
data
over
the
next
month
or
six
weeks
about
how
many
people
are
using
Rakharo
on
a
daily
basis?
How
many
of
our
bike
parking
areas
are
being
used?
I
mean
in
this
sense
I
guess
the
delay
of
the
LRT
is
a
bit
of
a
blessing.
It
gives
us
some
some
flexibility
to
look
at
this
legal
says.
There's
no
impediment
terms.
E
It
is
that
something
you
open
to,
because
if
it
is
that
I
think
what
I'd
like
to
do
is
move
the
flow
of
that
portion
of
the
report.
I
think
I
can
I'm
looking
at
the
chair
and
the
clerk
I
think
we
can
defer
a
portion
of
the
report
and
pass
the
balance
of
it.
So
I'm
suggesting
we
defer
I
think
it's
recommendation
number
two,
so
that
would
allow
you
to
bring
more
information
back
to
the
table
again
for
the
March
of
the
April
meeting.
E
Probably
April
I
would
think,
and
that
would
allow
us
to
have
a
more
substantive
discussion
and
again.
This
no
offense
to
the
motion
of
counsel
Reaper
just
seems
to
me
from
a
logical
perspective,
he's
trying
to
do
what
the
report
does,
but
with
a
different
recommendation,
the
still
no
foundation
to
what's
being
proposed.
So
I'm,
looking
to
mr.
E
C
Mr.
chair,
we
of
course
always
in
the
hands
of
commission,
but
we
would
not
support
that
recognition.
We
would
not
support
it
to
throw
our
staff
are
fully
engaged
in
preparing
for
the
opening
the
Confederation
line
they
there
is.
There
is
no
reserve
capacity
to
go
and
do
additional
research
we're
happy
to
share
all
the
information
we
have
on
on.
C
C
A
A
The
draft
motion
from
Council
early
polish
event
presents,
but
current
and
historical
used
to
reckon
law.
Projections
of
bike
demand
feasibility
of
long
counter
to
peak
bike
trips
I'm,
not
sure
that
means
the
amount
of
space
required
for
bikes
in
quibbling
standing,
which
we
have.
Projections
for
how
many
riders
might
be
delayed
of
bikes
are
allowed
I
think
we
got
today
a
proposed
monitoring
process
and
suggested
thresholds
for
permitting
or
not
permitting
bikes,
I
guess.
E
What
I'm
saying
chair-
and
they
didn't
know
about
this
motion,
but
but
if
council
approves
content
with
that
to
take
a
deferral
over
what's
on
the
table,
if
those
questions
were
answered,
I
would
certainly
move
for
the
floor
with
Direction
related
to
the
to
the
earlier
draft.
So
I
look
to
you,
council
Reaper.
If
that's,
if
that's
something
you're
comfortable
with
so.
C
A
guess
from
hearing
that
list
I
would
imagine
that
we
have
about
half
of
that
information
now
and
any
of
the
on
board
empirical
research.
We
could
report
back
to
you,
probably
by
the
end
of
the
year.
Sorry,
by
the
end
of
the
year,
probably
and
we'd
have
to
do
that.
Work
during
the
summer
and
early
fall
sure.
E
I'm
not
sure
I
deal
with
that,
because,
because
the
the
trains
going
to
open
in
November
as
we
understand
it
and
we
either
have
to
let
bikes
on
or
not
let
bikes
on
and
I
think
would
be
difficult
to.
Let
them
do
that
for
a
month
or
six
weeks
and
then
have
a
report
saying
maybe
they
shouldn't
be
doing
that
and
again
I
understand
you're
very
busy,
but
is
there
any
way
you
could
push
that
timeline
up
and
I
guess
the
question
really
for
pro-c
at
this
point
is
how
important
is
recommendation
2
to
you.
E
If
it's
significantly
important
than
a
hopefully,
you
can
find
a
way
to
squeeze
out
those
resources
to
answer
those
questions
in
a
way
that
we
can
address
this
before
the
Train
opens
and
if
not,
then
I
think
what
will
likely
happen
today
is
recommendation.
2
will
be
unsuccessful
and
again
what
concerns
me
it's
equally
based
on
little
or
no
information,
and
that's
so
that's
that's
what
concerns
me
so
I
turn
it
back
to
you,
mr.
Scrimgeour.
E
C
Again,
mr.
chair,
we
can
answer
about
half
those
questions
and
I
don't
have
the
list,
but
we
can
answer
about
half
of
those
questions
with
information
that
we
have
those
questions
that
require
Counting
the
number
of
people
who
are
using
our
current
service
kind
of
rock
and
roll.
We
could,
of
course,
only
begin
to
collect
that
information
at
the
end
of
April
once
that,
once
the
racks
are
back
on
board
the
buses
I.
C
Imagine
that
if
we
made
a
decision
based
only
on
information
from
May
that
people
would
suggest
that
it
wasn't
indicative
of
year-round
ridership
when
it
gets
warmer.
So
I
imagined
for
that
reason
that
most
people
would
be
more
confident
in
the
data.
If
we
had
collected
it
in
May,
June,
July,
possibly
and
then
we'd
be
able
to
report
back
to
the
new
council
after
I.
A
Think
it's
important
to
remember
that
the
recommendation
is
to
come
back
in
a
year
with
data
on
how
the
service
is
actually
functioning
in
real
life.
We're
working
on
and
OSI
transferred
is
currently
working
on
best
guesses
best
assumptions,
but
we
are
asking
our
customers
to
go
through
a
fairly
dramatic
change
in
service
if
you
get
on
the
best
in
Kanata
right
now
on
an
Express,
most
people
are
getting
the
seeds
for
most
of
the
trip
same
thing
for
lanes
and
bar
even
and
many
other
parts
of
the
city.
A
A
I
think
it's
incumbent
to
give
them
the
time
to
take
the
summer,
to
put
the
data
together
to
make
a
recommendation
and
then
also
have
November
December,
January,
February,
March,
April,
etc
of
the
Train
actually
being
in
service
understanding
how
many
people
are
getting
on
at
what
stations?
They're
getting
on
what
stations
they're,
getting
off,
etc,
except
actual
really
live
data
to
make
an
informed
and
educated
decision
I.
Think
that's
exactly
what
the
report
recommends.
A
If
there
is
a
desire
to
delay
for
a
month
to
prevent
weather
information
together,
I
have
no
with
that,
but
again,
I
think
that
information
can
be
provided
in
a
memo
which
we
now
in
counselor
or
what
have
you?
The
input,
there's
only
so
much
information
they
have
because
people
in
large
measure
aren't
riding
their
bikes
right
now.
No.
E
And
I
do
appreciate
that
chair
and
I
guess.
My
issue
is:
what
do
we
go
forward
with,
though,
for
the
testing
everybody
on
all
the
time
or
with
certain
restrictions
and
I?
Guess
that's
what
some
of
us
are
struggling
with
I
end.
If
I
can
ask
for
clarification
on
counsel
Reapers
motion,
counselor
Reapers
motion
doesn't
speak
to
coming
back.
It
simply
speaks
to
allowing
all
the
time.
I
don't
know
if
the
intention
of
motion
was
that
it
be
reviewed
in
year
as
in
the
original
recommendation,
or
not
it's
not
in
there
now.
E
But
I
would
be
happy
to
accept
that
as
a
friendly
amendment,
so
that
that
may
be
more
palatable.
I
mean
this.
This
is
a
difficult
one
to
decide
and
I'm
actually
considering
a
new
spawn
abstention,
even
though
we're
not
technically
supposed
to
keep
that.
But
it's
it's
it's
a
difficult
one
to
go
with,
but
counsel
rebirth.
E
If
you
are
prepared
to
amend
your
motion
to
allow
the
collection
of
data
over
that
period
of
time
and
allow
it
to
come
back
for
discussion
and
review
with
this
scenario,
I'm
willing
to
hear
my
colleagues,
but
it's
something
all
certainly
what
percolate
in
that
period
time
is
that
you
would
consider
that
a
felony
amendment
then
I
would
okay.
Thank
you
for
that.
D
Thank
You
mr.
chair
I,
guess
I'd
like
to
say
that
I
agree
with
my
colleague
that
this
this
limitation
appears
to
to
be
inconsistent
with
the
city's
vision
for
a
multi,
no
transportation
system
right.
That's
that
that's
the
general
consensus
around
the
stable
and
out
in
the
public
I
also
agree
with
our
delegations
or
delegation
that
the
report
lacks
information.
D
D
C
C
Rather
than
starting
from
a
point
where
we
have
the
possibility
that
will
be
conflict
among
passengers.
The
possibility
that
they'll
be
crowding
in
trains
and
then
retrospectively
coming
to
you
with
a
recommendation
to
withdraw
the
ability
for
people
to
continue
with
an
established
travel
pattern.
So
I
would
say
that
we're
being
respectful
of
councils
policy
decisions,
cautious
in
the
implementation
of
the
tech,
the
technical
implementation
of
those
general
policies
and
courteous
to
our
customers
to
not
disrupt
existing
travel
patterns
in
some
future
date.
F
Thank
You
mr.
chair
once
again
is
a
number
of
other
Kent
councillors
and
commissioners
I
have
questions
for
staff
both
on
councilor
leapers
motion,
as
well
as
on
the
motion
in
the
main,
and,
as
is
often
the
case,
it's
always
wise
for
me
to
either
follower
to
team
up
with
tells
her
egg
ly,
who
expresses
many
of
my
thoughts.
C
Think
I
agree
with
with
the
Commissioner
I
would
say
that
if
we
were
to
look
specifically
at
how
many
people
use
the
rack
and
roll
feature
between
Chinese
pastor
and
black
stations
on
the
rapid
route
that
the
bus
routes,
we
would
get
some
indication
of
the
starting
number
of
people
who
who
would
be
using
bicycles
on
trains.
We
certainly
hope
with
all
the
design
design
decisions
made
by
council
the
come.
C
The
complimentary
decisions
have
been
made
council
about
encouraging
cycling
that
we
would
far
exceed
the
number
of
customers
who
now
here's
the
bike
racks
on
buses.
We,
this
is
so
much
easier
when
the
trains
in
place.
We
want
this
to
be
successful.
This
is
how
this
is
a
major
design
feature
of
how
the
design
designs
have
been
made.
So
it
would
be
a
it
would
be
a
data
point.
C
F
C
Mr.
chair,
that's
not,
strictly
speaking
the
capacity
of
the
Train,
it's
the
level,
it's
what
we
call
the
service
capacity
standard,
it's
the
level
at
which
we,
the
calculation,
we
used
to
plan
the
volume
of
service
that
allows
for
the
the
fluctuation
up
and
down
by
day
of
the
week
by
time
of
day
by
individual
trip
that
allows
the
capacity
as
much
as
long
as
larger
than
that,
but
that's
a
comfortable
number
of
people
on
the
train.
Okay,.
F
C
F
So
then,
turning
the
page
on
that
I'm
wondering
if
the
staff
is
open
to
a
consideration
of
having
a
different
rule
for
the
existing
Trillium
Line.
You
just
mentioned
that
you
would
hate
to
be
in
a
position
of
needing
to
withdraw
an
established
travel
pattern
and
isn't
that
precisely
what
we're
doing
with
respect
to
the
Trillium
line,
it
seems
to
me
that
the
customers
are
used
to
using
it
as
it
is
now,
and
you
know
that
that
Carla,
that
sort
of
that
the
Trillium
line
has
different
considerations
that
go
with
it.
F
It
is
a
different
technology,
and
you
know
understanding
that
Carleton
is
one
of
the
major
destinations
for
that,
without
making
any
assumptions
about
what
a
cyclist
looks
like
being
a
cyclist
myself.
I
do
observe
that
people
that
are
students
are
more
of
an
age
and
a
fitness
level
and
an
economic
level
of
their
stage
of
their
lives,
where
they
may
be
more
likely
to
use
it.
F
So
aren't
we
withdrawing
an
established
travel
pattern
by
saying
that
it
has
to
be
one
size
fits
all
and,
with
the
staff
be
open
to
a
consideration
that
may
be
their
final
recommendation?
If
they
are
granted
delegated
authority
be
to
continue
to
permitted
on
trillium
line
until
we
know
there's
a
problem,
even
if
that's
not
the
same
rule
for
the
Confederation
line,
I
mean
I,
know,
there's
a
messaging
consideration
there
that
we,
you
know,
want
maybe
one
message,
but
there's
a
lot
of
marketing.
C
So
mr.
chair
mr.
chair
mr.
chair
I,
can
offer
a
few
comments
on
that.
I
would
say
yes
if
this
decision
were,
if
this
recommendation
were
passed,
yes,
it
would
do
with
drawing
current
service
that's
available
customers,
something
that
we
are
loathe
to
do.
I
would
suggest
that
there's
not
a
difference,
except
in
volume
between
the
nature
of
travel,
is
made
on
the
trailing
line
of
the
nature
of
travel.
It
will
be
made
on
the
Confederation
line.
One
will
be
much
busier
than
the
other.
C
Both
are
made
using
rail
vehicles,
which
are
quite
full
at
busy
times
a
day.
Both
lines
serve
post-secondary
institutions.
Both
lines
serve
major
employment
nodes.
It's
true
that
the
technology
is
different.
Some
of
the
trains
are
red
and
diesel-powered.
Some
of
the
trains
are
white
and
electrically
powered,
but
it's
I'd
suggest
it's
very
important.
That.
C
F
Understand
it
just
seems
to
me
that
fairness,
fair
treatment,
doesn't
always
mean
identical
treatment
and
it's
a
little
bit
more
messaging.
You
said
you're
low
to
have
a
two
different
system,
but
earlier
on
you
said
you
were
also
loath
to
withdraw
an
established
travel
pattern.
That's
precisely
what
we're
doing
with
respect
to
the
Trillium,
Line
and
I.
Take
it
from
your
comment
that
you
anticipate.
One
of
the
lines
will
be
busier
than
the
other
you're
suspecting.
The
Confederation
line
will
be
busier
than
the
Trillium
Line,
or
vice
versa.
I'm.
C
Not
suggesting
that
either
one
would
be
busier
than
the
other
they're,
both
designed
at
different
volumes
that
the
Trillium
line
carries.
You
know
around
numbers,
three
hundred
people,
every
12
minutes
the
Confederation
line
carries
600
people.
Every
five
minutes
are
more
frequently
than
that,
so
there
are
different
scales,
but
the
experience
on
the
train,
how
crowded
square
meter
of
space
or
the
inside
of
a
train
is,
will
be
very
similar.
Very
well.
It's
rush
hours
now
and
what's
rush
hours.
C
F
And
then
I
guess
really.
The
last
is
a
question
for
the
chair
or
for
legal,
but
I
guess
one
of
the
concerns
about
this
is
we're
being
asked
to
pass
delegated
authority
and
then
based
on
the
experience
of
all
seasons.
In
the
first
year
of
operations,
staff
will
come
back
and
either
make
minor
changes
in
a
delegate
authority
or
major
changes
to
the
Transit
Commission
for
consideration.
It
seems
to
me
that,
after
a
year
of
operation,
the
Commission
will
have
the
data
of
what
we
should
be
doing.
F
We
should
be
allowing
it
or
not
so
I'm,
simply
wondering
I,
don't
know
if
there
is
a
way
to
amend
the
report
such
to
require
one
way
or
another
staff
to
come
back
and
allow
the
Commission
to
make
a
decision
after
a
full
year
of
operation.
It
I
should
mention
too,
that
it
seems
to
me
the
full
year
of
operation
is
important.
We
can't
say
a
year
from
now,
because,
if
we're
opening
in
November,
we
don't
want
to
come
back
in
February
and
base
a
decision
based
on
three
months
of
winter
usage.
F
So
I
think
that
the
time
frame
for
review
is
reasonable,
but
I
just
think
that
that
should
be
a
keynesian
that
the
Commission
gets
all
of
the
years
worth
of
data
about
and
then
has
an
ability
to
make
a
decision
at
that
time.
So
I
guess
my
question
is:
can
we
pass
delegated
authority
with
a
time
limit
on
it.
F
F
You
know,
then,
my
my
recommendation,
whatever
I
need
to
do
to
do.
It
would
be
that
instead
of
having
open-ended
with
ongoing
delegated
authority
would
be
that
they
staff
do
bring
back,
do
bring
back
a
report
after
a
year
of
operation
and
allow
the
Commission
to
make
a
decision
at
that
time.
Recognizing
that
it
would
be
in
the
next
term
of
council
and
again
with
my
comments
about
allowing
continued
operation
of
the
Trillium
Line,
which
there's
no
problem
in
the
in
term.
A
Could
you
get
it
written
up
just
so
that
you
could
sorry
we
it
please
and
then
at
some
point
we're
going
to
continue,
but
at
some
point
we
might
take
a
little
break
just
so.
The
clerk's
office
could
sort
out
the
motor,
because
there's
a
bunch
now
and
we
can
put
them
in
the
right
order
to
to
move
forward
with
next
on.
The
list
is
councillor.
Nussbaum,
Thank,
You,
chair
I,
just
have
a
number
of
questions
to
staff.
A
A
Okay
and
then
so
in
terms
of
those
those
nine
agencies
that
do
permit,
including
New
York
I
noted,
which
is
the
largest
transit
agency
in
North
America,
did
we
get
any
anecdotal
experience
about
whether
they
had
made
a
change?
That
was
someone
else
to
us,
a
similar
question,
but
do
we
know
of
any
of
the
nine
agencies
that
permit
bicycles
at
peak
periods,
whether
they
went
from
not
permitting
to
permitting
and
whether
they
experienced
any
problems
with
that.
C
C
C
C
In
its
first
phase,
I
will
say
that
one
of
the
things
that
helps
us
a
lot
here
is
we're,
starting
with
the
line
that
is
12
13
kilometers
long
we
should
have.
We
will
have
lots
of
good
experience
for
any
policy
decision,
that's
needed
by
the
time
that
trains
go
all
the
way
from
baseline
and
moody
all
the
way
to
trim
it
all.
The
way
from
Bayview
to
Riverside
says
thank.
A
You
so
if
two
of
600
is
a
reasonable
approximation
or
model
back
to
the
slides
that
you
were
showing
earlier,
can
two
bicycles
fit
in
the
multi-purpose
area
in
that
front
door.
The
front
portion
of
the
train-
yes,
okay,
and
just
to
clarify
some
of
the
answers
to
your
previous
questions.
So
in
the
modeling
for
let's
say
the
first
year
of
operation,
you
talked
about
the
capacity
of
a
two
car
train
being
roughly
600
passengers.
C
How
much
chair,
not
under
normal
conditions,
one
of
the
design
conditions
that
the
city
set
for
the
design-build
contractor
RTG,
is
that
they
need
to
prove
demonstrate
to
us
that
passenger
flows
are
accommodated,
that
trains
will
will
move
all
customers,
whether
there's
no
bottlenecks
in
the
stations.
That's
under
normal
conditions.
I
would
say
that
if
there's
an
unusual
event
occurs
like
there's
a
let's
say,
there's
an
ill
passenger
and
there's
a
eight
minute
gap
in
service
from
one
train
to
the
next.
C
That
first
train
that
comes
along
after
that
gap
is
going
to
be
very,
very
busy,
and
if
it's
an
eastbound
train,
maybe
it
will
fill
up
a
parliament
and
won't
be
able
to
pick
up
too
many
more
customers
at
Rideau.
But
under
normal
conditions,
everyone
will
be
able
to
get
onto
the
first
train.
That
comes
ok.
A
I
did
a
brief
survey
myself
and
noticed
that
other
cities
have
more
limited
Russia
or
peak
hour
times,
Edmonton
7:30
to
9:00
4:00,
to
5:30
Vancouver
7
to
9
4
to
6
and
interesting
to
Commissioner
acroos
point
Vancouver
has
very
specific
instructions
about
the
ability
to
ride
in
a
counter
flow
direction.
They
have
specific
direction
on
allowing
trains
on
certain
lines
at
all
times
and
non
other
lanes
depending
on
on
Flo,
so
I'm
curious.
C
I
would
there's
a
you
know.
A
lot
of
these
comments
go
back
to
my
earlier
statement
that
we're
recommending
a
cautious
approach
in
the
early
days,
early
years
of
the
the
old
train
Confederate
line
operation.
The
first
is
about.
We
talked
earlier
about
the
nature
of
the
the
possibility
of
distinguishing
off-peak
direction
from
peak
direction.
I
think
that
is
possible
from
herdmen
to
Blair
I.
Think
that's
difficult
in
the
section
of
our
line
between
heard
minutes
past
you
to
define
what
is
the
off-peak
direction.
Vancouver
has
a
different
geography
than
Ottawa
Vancouver.
C
One
characteristics
of
the
rapid
transit
lines
in
Vancouver
is
that
downtown
is
at
one
end
of
the
line
of
each
of
the
lines
well,
except
for
the
one
that
doesn't
go
into
downtown,
but
that
the
Expo
Line
and
the
Canada
Line,
both
terminating
in
downtown
and
going
away
from
downtown
you're
clearly
in
the
off-peak
direction,
is
still
a
lot
of
people
traveling,
but
Ottawa
being
a
cities,
oriented
east/west,
our
all
of
our
transportation
arteries
passed
through
downtown
rather
than
ending
in
downtown,
except
for
the
north-south
ones.
Of
course,.
C
One
of
the
things
that's
different
about
Ottawa
and
other
cities
is
the
number
of
people
who
work
early
hours.
The
number
of
people
who
go
home
shortly
after
3
o'clock
we
used
to
have
you
know
when
I
first
came
to
Ottawa.
There
was
rush
hour
would
be
over
by
5:30.
There
were
so
many
people
leaving
at
3:00
and
3:30.
That's
not
not
true
anymore,
especially
not
on
the
highways.
Where
you
see,
Russia
are
continuing
well
after
six
o'clock,
now
so
trimming
it
down
in
the
afternoon.
C
If
there's
going
to
be
a
distinction,
if
there's
going
to
be
a
restriction,
I'd
suggest
the
three
o'clock
is
good
time
to
start
at
6:00
o'clock
is
a
good
time
to
end
it
for
the
morning.
You
know:
nine
o'clock
is
a
good
time
to
end.
You
could
possibly
end
it
a
little
earlier,
but
not
aid,
because
you're
still
in
the
middle
of
rush
hour
and
the
other
question
is,
do
you?
Do
you
try
to
explain
to
customers
that
there's
three
time
periods
during
which
they
can
use
trains?
C
You
put
the
bikes
on
trains
or
you
try
to
simplify
it,
go
to
the
nearest
hour.
So
that
those
those
messages
are
clear
and
those
messages
are
memorable-
and
you
know
maybe
there's
not
that
many
people
before
7
a.m.
but
then
we
would
have
to
tell
people
all
right.
It's
5
to
7
3
2
at
9:00
to
3:00
and
6:00
till
end
of
service,
and
it's
just
more
information
to
to
ask
people
to
hold
in
their
heads
when
they're
conducting
themselves.
Ok,.
A
Thank
you
for
answering
those
questions.
I
guess
just
a
brief
comment
on
the
motions
that
are
that
are
before
us.
I
think,
counsel.
I
said
it
well
when
he
said
that
it
would
be
great
if
we
could
make
this
decision
on
somewhat
more
exact
data
and
a
better
sense
of
of
the
evidence
and
the
modeling
doesn't
sound
like
we're
going
to
be
in
a
position
to
be
able
to
do
that.
A
A
But
the
idea
of
two
of
six
hundred
you
know
is
that
a
reasonable
approximation
based
on
the
trillium
line
experience
and
in
light
of
the
fact
that
staff
are
not
anticipating
that
passengers
of
platforms
are
going
to
have
to
wait
for
more
than
a
train
and
then
light
of
the
fact
that
we
have
room
for
two
bicycles
on
each
training.
I
think
counselor
leapers
motion
with
the
friendly
amendment
from
counselor
ed
lie
of
saying.
Well,
let's
see
how
it
goes.
A
You
know
our
expectation
is,
it
should
go
well
and
if
it
doesn't,
of
course,
we
would
want
stock
to
come
back
and-
let
us
know
so
I
mean
I-
think
on
the
basis
of
that,
on
the
basis
of
the
of
the
stats
that
a
majority
of
North
American
transit
agencies
are
permitting
bicycle
usage
at
periods,
apparently
without
any
adverse
impact,
and
further
to
the
idea
that
I
think
we
want
to
be
a
welcoming
transit
agency.
We
want
the
ridership
bump.
A
We
want
to
include
and
and
invite
as
many
users
as
possible,
I'm
inclined
to
vote
in
favor
of
councilor
leapers
motion
with
the
recognition
that
we're
not
in
an
ideal
situation,
but
if
we're
going
to
err
on
the
side
of
let's
give
it
a
shot
or,
let's
be
restrictive,
I
think
giving
it
a
shot
while
giving
staff
the
delegated
authority
to
deal
with
special
situations
makes
a
lot
of
sense
to
me
so
I'll.
Stop
there
thanks.
Mr.
chair
I
think
you're
much
councilor,
counselor
couch
is
not
here,
commissioner:
untill
hartman,
please
Thank.
F
Like
Commissioner
crew
I'm
a
little
concerned
based
on
something
that
you
had
said
earlier,
but
we
don't
want
to
be
pulling
back
service
yet
we're
talking
about
doing
that
on
a
Trillium
line,
but
we'll
get
back
to
that
in
a
minute
first
question:
there
was
a
mention
made
that
there
is
one
station
where
the
bicycle
areas
in
the
the
wrong
section
of
the
sticker,
not
the
wrong
section,
but
not
the
ideal
section
of
the
station.
What
station
is
that.
C
F
Would
it
would
it
be
fair
to
assume
that
most
of
your
concerns
for
I
mean
the
numbers
we're
talking
about
on
the
physical
trains?
Just
aren't
very
high
we're
talking
in
packed
of
two
to
four
people
per
600.
That's
not
a
huge
impact
on
the
trains.
Is
it
a
concern
that
is
more
of
a
concern
of
the
downtown
stations
I'm
wondering
if
this
is
a
congestion
issue
around
the
underground
stations
that
you're
concerned
about
with
bicycles
at
the
peak
hours.
C
E
F
I'm
going
to
recommend
a
little
caution
to,
and
that
is
that,
if
we
do
go
ahead
with
the
restrictions
on
the
new
Confederation
line
that
the
Trillium
Line
not
be
part
of
that,
because
I
don't
like
the
the
idea
of
us
pulling
a
service
that
is
currently
available
back
I
can
most
of
most
of
this
back
and
forth
has
already
happened
with
commissioner
Cruz.
So
I
don't
mean
we
need
to
go
over
it
again,
but
I
do
have
a
motion
that
I'll
be
looking
to
put
forward.
That
removes
the
trillium
line.
From
from
that
recommendation,.
A
B
First,
have
a
question
about
the
animals:
I
read:
what's
in
actual
bylaw,
it
doesn't
say
anti
boat
size
doesn't
say
it
has
to
be
on
their
lap.
You
could
have
a
huge
crate
if
you
can
get
it
on
the
bus
under
this
one.
It
just
says
that
the
heck
has
to
be,
and
then
close
handheld
containers
such
as
hand
holds
strong.
People
can
hold
lot
along
the
carrier,
crate
that
is
secured
at
all
times,
such
that
the
animal
does
not
pet
cetera,
etc.
B
It
doesn't
have
anything
to
do
with
size,
it
doesn't
say
it
has
to
be
on
their
lap,
which
we've
been
tolling
all
along
and
it
be
held
on
their
lap,
and
so,
if
they
take
another
seat
for
it,
that's
a
different
problem.
So
I'm
just
wondering
if
this
shouldn't
be
a
little
bit
more
specific,
backed
it
wide
open.
Actually.
C
F
Mr.
cherrick
saucy
subject
commissioning
counsels
well,
but
the
provision
relating
to
animals
does
create
a
regulation
and
an
offense
provision
of
summer
to
contravene
that
which
would
be
if
someone
were
to
transport,
a
animal
that
was
not
in
an
enclosed
container
and
there
was
not
secured
at
all
times.
That
would
be
a
contravention
of
the
bylaw
whether
or
not
there
is
requirement
through
greater
specific
specifics
on
the
provision.
F
F
B
B
Then,
as
a
close
hat,
as
it
says,
handheld
container,
but
you
can
interpret
that
you
can
hold
the
container
up
without
the
animal
in
it,
so
I
don't
know
it
I
just
think
it
should
be.
There
should
be
something
in
there
can
I
leave
it
to
staff
to
do
this
before
they
next
bit
book.
They
take
a
look
at
the
wording
of
the
bylaw
itself
and
put
something
like
that.
C
So
mr.
chair
I,
think
if
you
can
give
us
direction
that
the
the
will
of
the
Commission
is
to
impose
a
size
limit.
We
can
work
with
legal
services
to
draft
a
small
amendment
which
somebody
could
propose
at
the
time
of
consideration
of
council
and
then,
alternatively,
you
could
direct
us
no
staff
to
make
those
the
restrictions
that
are
that
are
listed
there
in
one
subject
to
any
other
conditions,
as
may
be
imposed
by
the
director.
If
you
gave
this
direction
to
impose
a
size
restriction
and
make
that
the
I'm.
B
F
B
In
the
body
not
sure
Nana
what
the
bulk
living
I'm
quite
happy,
if
the
staff
are
willing
to
do
that,
or
that's
okay
with
the
Commission,
it's
just
when
reading
the
the
second
one
on
the
bicycles,
the
actual
bylaw
says
no
person
shall
bring
advice,
go
on
board
of
transit
Bakke,
except
on
permitted
by
the
director.
It's
really
open-ended
I
think
what
we're
doing
today
is
trying
to
make
it
a
little
bit
more
specific
I
support
council
leavers,
notion,
I
think
we
should
have
it
for
a
year.
B
B
So
more
and
more
people
are
doing
that
and
summertime.
We
see
them
and
I
think
it's
really
important
that
they
be
able
to
get
to
and
from
work.
We
have
a
policy
of
trying
to
encourage
people
to
use
other
forms
of
transportation
such
as
transit,
cycling
and
pedestrians,
and
we're
actually
saying
you
could
be
a
cyclist
to
the
start
of
your
route,
but
not
from
there
on
I,
don't
know
how
many
people
are
involved
in
I.
B
Think
none
of
us
do
and
I
think
you
can
have
some
restrictions
at
how
many
can
go
in
each
train
as
I.
Remember
we
first
started
looking
at
the
LRT
three
or
four
or
five
years
ago,
long
time
ago,
anyway,
that
they
actually
had
pictures
showing
how
somebody
downtown
could
get
in
tune
elevator
and
get
down
to
put
the
bike
on
the
train
and
I.
Don't
think
we
are
not
told
it
was
going
to
be
not
when
they're
going
to
and
from
work
and
so
I
think
we
do
need
to
have.
B
This
motion
passed
and
I
agree
with
the
addition
that
be
reviewed
after
a
year,
because
it's
something
that
you
need
to
have
that
information
and
if
there
is
a
problem
you
know
there
is
a
provision
in
there
that
they
that
other
extraordinary
conditions
they
the
staff,
can
make
some
rulings
on.
It
then
bring
that
back
and
inform
us
and
I
get
I,
don't
have
a
problem,
giving
them
that
direction,
but
the
to
say
no
wait
from
the
beginning.
I've
had
people
contact
me
already.
B
They
say
how
am
I
going
to
get
to
work
and
that's
not
what
our
objective
is
on
using
transit
and
trying
to
get
more
people
to
use
transit.
So
I
would
suggest
that
we
make
that
change.
That
now
not
postpone
it
so
people
know
what's
coming,
then
keep
a
very
close
eye
on
it.
Fortunately,
we're
now
opening
up
at
the
end
of
November,
the
number
of
bikes
going
on
at
that
time
of
the
year
is
probably
not
going
to
be
very
large.
B
But
if
you're
going
anywhere
else,
you
can't
not
coming
from
the
West
End
and
a
lot
of
people
are
coming
from
the
West
End,
because
that's
all
bar
Haven,
alt
Canada,
all
states
follow
lead
and
West
End
of
Ottawa
is
a
huge
number
of
people
at
the
and
I
think
brief
encourage
the
places
of
cycling
so
much
I
do.
I
do
get
complaints
from
drivers
now
that
they
don't
have
room
to
drive
their
car
anymore,
but
just
to
stop
it.
B
So
that
was
my
suggestion
is
that
we
support
this
motion
now,
give
it
a
year
or
eight
months
or
whatever
it
takes
to
get
the
proper
reading
on
how
many
are
using
it,
which
means
it
has
to
be
over
a
summer
and
and
then
see
how
it
works
out
and
I
don't
have
its
problem
with
having
a
limit
on
I'm
coming
on
a
train.
If
that's
the
way
that
has
to
happen
at
rush
hour,
they're
actually
told
at
one
point:
I
think
that
that
might
happen.
B
D
Thank
you
very
much.
It
has
been
a
very
useful
discussion,
then
I
guess
by
coming
pretty
near
last,
batting
last
I
get
to
back
clean
up
or
perhaps
try
and
find
clarity
through
all
of
the
discussion.
All
the
questions
so
far
first
thing
I
want
to
say
is
I
totally
understand
where
our
OC
staff
are
coming
from,
and
I
mean
it's
in
the
nicest
possible
way.
D
What
this
says
to
me
is
we
may
find
that
we
never
have
a
problem
and
if
we
do
have
one
we
have
the
ability,
then
to
control
it
as
precisely
as
the
most
focused
away
as
possible.
So
the
conclusion
that
I've
reached
is
actually
that
we
should
open
the
system
with
no
limitations
other
than
the
particular
care
to
enter
and
the
space,
but
no
limitation
on
ours.
I
do
not
also
believe
that
we
should
be
limiting
this
to
the
trillium
line.
D
Only
because
the
end
result
we're
going
to
have
there
is
feel
free
to
come
on
the
train
with
your
bike
now
you're
at
baby
over
the
the
your
transit
point
is
now
your
luck.
Lock
your
bike
up
or
or
ride
in
what
actually
might
be
a
trip
where
they're
going
out,
cañada
or
they're
going
to
deter
mode.
You
know
in
the
end
and
and
so
that
way
it
would,
in
the
end,
introduce
a
restriction.
D
I
think
what
we
would
find
is
that,
especially
with
the
soft
launch
of
a
November
date,
is
we're
going
to
have
the
gradual
introduction
of
people
bringing
bikes
on
the
train,
and
we
have
the
ability
in
let's
say,
May
or
June.
If
a
problem
arises
a
problem
that
is
measured
in
numbers,
measurable
numbers
of
bikes,
hopefully
not
but
measurable,
numbers
of
complaints
that
we
can
react
quite
quickly
to
that.
We
don't
need
a
year
of
it
being
a
problem
to
then
change
the
rules.
D
We
can
actually
implement
it
and
say
well,
you
know
it's
been
a
bad
couple
of
days.
We
can
respond
to
that
and
then
Ratchet
back
okay,
let's
let's
limit
it
to
the
most
peak
hours
and
then
see
how
that
goes
and
the
reason
I'm
recommending.
This,
ultimately,
is
that's
a
true
science
experiment
that
is
measurable
data.
The
problem
with
doing
the
opposite
is
that
we
will
not
have
people.
There
will
be
known
to
count.
We
will
effectively
have
said
you
can't
ride
the
train
with
your
bicycle
during
these
hours.
D
Therefore,
we
can't
count
you
and
unless
you
made
the
point
of
going
online
each
day
and
registering
your
complaint,
I
would
have
liked
to
have
ridden
the
train
with
my
bike
today,
but
I
didn't.
Please
count
me
we're
actually
going
to
be
no
further
ahead
after
a
year
than
an
anecdotal
survey
of
the
city.
Saying
you
know,
are
you
annoyed
that
you
didn't
get
to
ride
here?
D
You
know
bring
your
bike
on
the
train
as
opposed
to
actual
measurements,
so
I
believe
that
approach
is
not
only
the
most
logical
one
in
terms
of
data
collection,
but
is,
is
a
sensible
one
and,
and
you
know,
to
be
fair,
I
think
a
relatively
cautious
one.
We
have
that
ability,
as
I've
already
said
now,
to
do
a
kind
of
a
soft
launch
and
to
adapt
as
necessary.
D
A
D
C
Mr.
chair
say
that
we
are
informed
by
ongoing
discussions
with
cycling
committees
such
as
by
Gardella.
We
know
that
from
many
many
meetings
for
them
we
are,
they
are
in
support
of
a
multimodal
future
that,
as
we're
recommending
the
bicycles,
be
allowed
on
trains
and
that
the
of
course
the
the
system
has
been
designed
for
that
purpose.
The
recommendation
to
start
with
a
restrained,
modest,
cautious
approach
is
a
staff
recommendation
and
it's
brought
here
to
you
for
your
consideration.
D
So,
essentially,
no
direct
consultation
on
how
we
should
operate
a
light
rail
system
with
respect
to
you
know
multimodal
trips
when
we
we
open
it
up
so
by
godawari,
heard
here
today
around
and
have
some
concerns.
I
certainly
do
like
surprised
that
we're
even
here
talking
about
a
cap
on
ridership
when
we
you
know
year
over
year,
we've
seen
auto-ship
decrease
and
we're
spending
billions
of
dollars
on
light
rail
system
and
before
it's
open,
we're
considering
capping
it
again,
you
know
doing
a
review
after
a
year
after
60
days
after
any
time
doesn't
make
sense.
D
You
can't
review
something
that
hasn't
happened.
It
would
be
like
you
know,
saying
I'm
going
to
not
feed
my
kid
chocolate
for
a
year
and
then
see
how
he
or
she
reacts
to
chocolate.
So
that
doesn't
make
sense.
There's
there's
you
know
we
either
are
going
to
be
bold
and
do
what
we
can't
increase
ridership
and
to
allow
multimodal
use
on
on
the
all
of
our
light
rail,
inter
and
to
pull
apart
trillion.
Verses.
Confederation
as
well
is
this.
You
know
again
that
you
know
I
know
it's
been
thrown
out,
but
it
again
just
doesn't.
D
It
doesn't
make
sense
in
terms
of
force
up.
What
would
you
do
when
you've
got
two
baby
station?
And
second,
if
you
look
at
you
know
canter
peak,
and
you
know
if
you
live
in
the
downtown.
According
to
this
recommendation,
you
live
in
the
downtown.
You
look
at
the
Ottawa
Hospital,
you
start
work
at
7:00
a.m.
you
have
no
way
of
getting
there.
If
you
want
to
take
your
bike,
unless
you
you
know,
are
okay
with
putting
your
bike
at
an
unsecured
rock
somewhere.
C
Think
miss
cherry
add
from
what
I
said
earlier
summarizing
it
that
we're
that
the
staff
recommendation
is
for
a
cautious
approach
to
make
that
decision.
After
we've
seen
how
customers
behave,
the
customers
distribute
themselves
on
the
trains,
I,
don't
think,
there's
anything
more
I
can
say.
Of
course
you
know,
as
the
Transportation
Department
Services
Department
is
fully
in
support
of
cycling
walking
in
addition
to
transit
as
the
modes
we
want
to
encourage
across
all
of
the
city.
Our
staff
recommendation
is
only
to
take
those
cautious
steps,
one
at
a
time.
D
So
do
you
have
any
confidence
in
fact
that
a
train
going
from
Chinese
to
Kannada
would
not
be
for
between
6
and
9
p.m.
based
on
what's
happening?
I'm,
sorry
from
two
out
sorry
from
the
downtown
today,
2
Tunney's,
with
that
that
train
going
in
the
opposite
direction,
not
have
less
capacity
just
based
on
what
we
know
around
wider
ship.
C
Absolutely
during
rush
hours,
mr.
chair,
a
train
that
has
started
a
Blair
will
likely
have
will
almost
always
have
the
most
number
of
people
on
board
that
train
as
it
leaves
her
demo
station.
It
will
have
picked
up
people
at
Blair,
Sayreville,
Salman
I'll
pick
up
more.
Maybe
if
you
accomplish
it'll
pick
up
more
people
at
heard
Minh
and
then
it
will
start
dropping
people
off
at
uOttawa,
burrito,
Parliament,
Lian,
Pema,
see
with
a
few
others
or
some
downtown
residents
joining
the
train
to
go
west.
C
C
Both
or
either
share
the
Trillium
so
now
is
early
in
the
morning.
It's
not
terribly
high,
as
you
get
closer
to
nine
o'clock
you're
getting
the
time
that
a
lot
of
people
are
traveling
to
Carleton.
University
and
that's
you
know,
I'm
not
sure
exactly,
but
it's
probably
8:30
to
10:30
is
the
busiest
time
in
both
directions
on
the
Trillium
line.
C
Our
mock-up,
the
one
that
was
on
display
a
couple
years
ago
at
Lansdowne
Park,
that
is
our
mock-up,
delivered
by
the
delivered
by
the
manufacturer
and
it's
an
exact
replica
of
the
conditions
with
some
tiny
technical
changes
that
were
made
after
we
saw
the
mock-up.
But
it's
exactly
how
the
doors
are
laid
out
with
the
seats
are
laid
out.
There's
spent
we've
made
some
small
improvements
to
where
some
of
the
overhead
grab
bars
are
located.
So.
D
C
Talked
earlier,
though,
in
that
multi-purpose
area,
which
you
can
see
marked
by
the
darker
floor
covering
easily
two
bicycles,
perhaps
three,
but
you
get
three
you're
starting
to
you-
might
be
in
a
place
where
it's
hard
to
hold
on,
or
your
block
in
the
Iowa
might
be
that
a
third
passenger
third
customer
with
a
bike
might
not
feel
they're
ready
for
it.
Like
the
first
two.
D
C
If,
over
time,
we
found
that
we
were
consistently
carrying
for
bicycles
per
train,
we
would
then
have
to
find
what's
the
best
way
of
explaining
that
to
people.
Is
it
use
the
first
three
doors
of
the
train,
or
is
it
use
the
first
door
on
the
last
door
and
that's
when
we
do
another
piece
of
work
and
see
what
other
cities
around
the
world
are
doing
and.
D
C
But
so
the
recommendation
is
to
allow
bicycles
on
through
the
first
door
of
the
train
that
will
provide
room
for
two,
maybe
three
bicycles
per
train.
These
trains
are
running
frequently
that
leaves
the
other
seven
multi-purpose
areas
available.
So
someone
with
a
disability
someone's
the
stroller
someone
with
luggage,
let's
think
mostly
of
people
with
disabilities
who
are
using
devices
like
wheelchairs,
don't
need
to
position
themselves
at
a
strategic
point
on
the
platform
they
can
just
get
on
through
any
door.
That's
convenient
today.
D
D
G
Paycheque
just
a
couple
questions,
because
we're
presuming
based
off
of
this,
that
all
of
the
trains
at
peak
periods
are
always
going
to
be
full
and
I
wonder.
Is
that
an
assumption
that
we're
holding
through
our
various
areas,
parts,
including
our
ridership
numbers
that
we
projected
for
revenue?
Are
we
expecting
six
hundred
every
three
to
five
minutes
through
peak
periods
on
all
of
these
trends?.
C
G
My
second
question
and
I,
actually
don't
think
you're
going
to
be
able
to
answer
it,
but
maybe
it's
a
call
to
Mike
all
my
colleagues
who
are
actually
on
counsel
that
we
actually
look
at
transportation
numbers
I
think
we
probably
have
a
fair
understanding
of
what
the
number
is
of
cars
on
Maurier
at
five
o'clock.
But
do
we
know
how
many
bikes
are
on
Maurier
at
five
o'clock
and
how
many
people
are
on
buses
on
Laurie
a
five
o'clock?
G
We
need
to
be
able
to
look
at
these,
not
in
it
with
blinders
on
it
and
I
and
I'm.
Back
to
my
previous
comments.
I
do
feel
that
we
we
don't.
We
don't
have
it.
My
deference
is
towards
statistics
and
ensuring
that
we're
making
decisions
that
are
based
off
it
I
think
that
councilor
egg
was
previous
friendly
amendment.
I
I
think
one
that
allow
us
to
at
least
have
a
bit
and
councillor
Wilkinson
as
well
a
bit
more
information
and
be
working
from
a
spot
where
we
are
tracking
complaints
versus
mysterious
complaints.
I.
G
Listened
on
with
interest
in
this
debate,
because
I
do
think
that
this
is
an
important
issue.
I
think
that
it
is
difficult
to
go
back
and
and
change
these
decisions
once
people
have
been
made
and
the
conversation
that
we're
having
around
the
line,
one
versus
line
two
is
a
classic
example
of
this.
We
made
a
decision
as
a
commission,
not
a
commission
that
I
sat
on,
but
a
commission
that
some
others
here,
probably
to
allow
bikes
on
online.
G
What
will
now
become
line
two
and
I
think
that
that
what
decision
should
have
a
look
towards
the
future?
So,
as
we
sit
here,
we
need
to
make
sure
that
we
see
LRT
stage
two
and
three
and
ensure
that
this
decision
is
is
one
that
can
be
justified
in
the
future
as
well.
I
think
staff
for
their
work
on
this
I.
Don't
think
that
this
is
an
easy
cutter.
G
What
a
block
decision
and
I'm
cognizant
of
the
security
and
the
personal
security
and
the
the
issues
around
individuals,
clothing
for
them,
for
example,
of
getting
dirty
on
their
way
in
to
work
and
I,
think
that
there
are
justifications
on
both
sides.
I
I
just
want
thank
staff
for
their
work
on
us
and
Thank
You.
Mr.
chair
I,.
E
You
very
much
chair,
I'll,
keep
this
brief
councillor
lepra
and
I
in
a
brief
and
rare
occurrence
of
to
taunt
have
come
up
with
another
amendment
to
the
motion,
and
it
came
from
discussions
with
himself
and
in
Commissioner
Milner.
The
opening
of
the
lying
is
going
to
be
a
fairly
intensive
and
that
time
it
can
be.
A
lot
of
interest,
probably
hire
a
writer
ship
to
start.
E
E
E
So
that's
if
everybody
is
ok
with
that
counselor
and
I
have
talked
about
that
that
we
would
defer
the
all
tram,
all
bikes
on
all
trains
at
all
times
by
60
days,
from
the
opening
of
the
line
keeping
in
mind,
however,
and
I
look
to
staff
as
to
how
we
might
word
this,
but
I'm.
Cognizant
of
the
comments
have
been
made
about
not
having
a
two-tiered
system.
E
The
people
on
the
Trillium
wine
already
have
the
ability,
as
I
understand
it,
to
to
have
the
so
I,
wouldn't
want
to
see
a
change
in
that,
but
just
in
the
new
wine
for
that.
First,
for
that,
first
60
days
and
again,
I
look
to
staff
I'm,
looking
back
here
at
we
going
corks
as
to
how
they
might
Ward
it
and
again,
essentially
it.
E
This
is
a
period
where
there
would
not
be
a
lot
of
bike
usage
in
any
event,
but
it
allows
an
ease
in
period
so
leave
that
to
staff
to
provide
us
with
the
wording
and
then
again,
councillor
I
are
on
the
same
page
doesn't
happen
often,
but
we're
on
the
same
page
on
this
one
and
I
want
to
get
the
best
information
we
can.
We
can
have
in
order
to
make
an
evidence-based
decision
so
I
think
council.
We
prefer
introducing
this
motion
and
allowing
it
to
be
modified.
E
A
C
As
always,
we'll
follow
the
decisions
of
Commission,
Council
I
would
say
that
a
decision
like
this
that
makes
the
experience
tentative
on
a
future
outcome
will
make
it
difficult
for
us
to
provide
the
best,
clearest
information
to
customers
on
what
they
can
expect.
If
we
have,
you
know,
we
can
do
the
best
job
of
explaining
what
customers
should
do
if
we
have
clarity
from
Council
on
whether
bikes
are
accepted
at
all
times
are
only
a
limited
times
of
that.
Whichever
of
those
two
is
chosen.
C
If
we
can
have
that
clarity
will
allow
us
to
build
all
of
our
customer
information.
All
of
the
you
know.
It's
like
there's,
there's
going
to
be
a
user's
manual
learning
experienced
people
coming
into
this
system
for
the
first
time,
people
who
haven't
traveled
that
people
haven't
used
a
rapid
transit
system
every
day,
a
rail
rapid
transit
system
every
day
in
their
experience.
C
So
if
we
have
a
feature
of
the
system
which
is
still
tentative
as
we
introduce
the
system
to
people,
that
will
be
a
weak
point
in
our
communication,
and
that
would
be
a
shame,
but
we
would
have
to
make
up
for
that.
In
other
ways
and
explain,
this
is
what
we're
trying
and
there's
it's
a
it's
a
test
for
now,
and
it's
just
it
just
it
softens
up
the
clarity
that
we'd
like
to
give
customers
as
we
introduce
them
to
their
new
role,
train
line.
A
Okay,
thank
you
very
much.
Mr.
Scrimgeour
Keith,
there
counselor
glad
you're
there
you're
good,
okay,
counselor
I
knew
Spyder
question
just
ask
it:
why
take
a
break?
Okay,
we'll
just
it's
a
quick
question:
counselor
egg,
why
I
mean
I
appreciate
the
thought
process
that
went
into
a
transition
rate?
I
mean
I,
understand
it,
but
in
light
of
the
staff
response,
I
guess
there's
a
concern
that
that
might
create
a
little
bit
more
confusion
than
less.
A
E
For
the
recognition
and
that
ya
know
I
think
mr.
scrimshaw
made
made
it
may
did
make
a
good
point
that
it
would
be.
It
would
be
sent
out
a
number
of
different
messages
so
again
taking
account
that
we're
likely
going
to
open
in
November
early
December
and
the
bike
traffic
is
likely
going
to
be
going
to
be
not
all
that
significant
at
that
time.
I
can.
As
long
as
we
go
with
the
original
amendment,
then
I
can
support
it.
Yep.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
So
much
are
there
any
other
questions.
Comments.
Okay,
see
none
yet
so
we're
gonna
take
a
break
because
it's
lunch
hour
as
it
happens,
so
we're
going
to
take
a
break
and
let
staff
put
them
in
a
proper
order
and
everyone
can
come
back.
I
have
some
things
to
say
before
that,
though
often
during
the
cycling
debates
in
Ottawa,
cities
such
as
Copenhagen
and
Amsterdam
are
referenced
as
models
that
Ottawa
should
be
following.
A
In
fact,
there
is
an
index
called
the
copenhague
Copenhagen
zine
bicycle-friendly
index
of
worldwide
cities
that
are
considered
bicycle-friendly,
it's
featured
in
Wired
magazine
and
it's
a
biannual
index
that
started
in
2011
in
2015
Wired
magazine,
wrote
in
Denmark
and
in
the
Netherlands
a
set
of
rules
has
evolved
over
a
century
tried
and
tested
and
proven
to
work.
It's
established
with
best
practice
and
it's
a
model
for
cities
everywhere.
I
absolutely
agree,
and
it's
interesting
to
note
that
both
in
Amsterdam
and
in
Copenhagen
bicycles
are
not
permitted
on
their
metros
on
their
subways.
A
Aroma
are
on
their
buses
during
rush
hour
and
I'll
quote
for
a
second
from
their
web
sites.
On
the
Copenhagen
transit
system
website,
you
can
buy
a
ticket
for
your
bicycle.
They
actually
charge
you
more
to
take
your
bike
onto
the
metro.
A
bicycle
ticket
is
valid
for
two
hours
in
all
zones
during
rush
hour,
which
they
classify
as
7:00
a.m.
to
9:00
a.m.
and
from
3:30
in
the
afternoon
to
5:30
afternoon.
Bicycles
are
not
allowed
if
you
travel
with
a
bicycle
during
rush
hour,
you'll
be
fined
and
asked
to
leave.
The
train
in
Amsterdam.
A
Bicycles
also
need
to
purchase
a
ticket
and
pay
more
to
take
your
bike
on
the
train
and
if
you
ride
without
such
ticket
your
risk
of
fine.
If
you
have
a
favorable
bike,
however,
you
don't
need
to
pay
and
they
suggest
that
you
plan
your
trips
around
these
regulations.
There
is
only
one
city
in
North
America
that
appears
on
the
list
done
by
Wired
magazine.
It
is
the
city
of
Montreal
at
lengths
20th
on
the
list.
A
staff
report
has
shown
the
city
of
Montreal
does
not
allow
bikes
on
the
Metro
during
rush
hour.
A
So
I
agree
I.
Think
Ottawa
should
be
taking
lessons
from
major
cities
worldwide,
especially
cities
in
Europe
and
other
places
across
North
America
that
have
a
more
ingrained
bicycle
culture
and
those
cities
do
not
allow
bikes
on
the
trains
during
rush
hour
to
avoid
the
conflict.
We
do
want
people
to
choose
our
multiple
modes
of
transportation.
We
also
want
to
avoid
conflict.
It
is
a
limitation
on
cycling
during
rush
hour
that
is
proposed,
and
it's
proposed
to
provide
that
that
limitation
for
a
year,
so
that
data
can
be
collected.
A
What
data,
how
many
people
are
parking,
their
bikes
at
the
bike
at
the
cycling
stations,
all
of
our
cycling
stations
are
going
to
have
cycle
parking.
How
many
people
are
doing
that?
Do
we
have
complaints
about
bicycles,
not
being
off-peak
how
many
cyclists
are
using
the
service
off-peak?
Some
people
have
said
that
it's
limiting
ridership
well,
as
mr.
scrimshaw
has
pointed
out,
to
allow
a
single
bike
on
or
two
in
that
station,
you
would
be
taking
away
space
for
four
to
six
people,
that
is
by
definition
than
limiting
ridership.
A
So
I
think
there
are
lots
of
reasons
why
we
want
to
implement
this
in
a
moderated,
cautious
approach.
We
are
asking
our
customers
to
go
through
a
huge
change.
A
year
ago,
people
were
asking
to
cut
the
price
of
bus
fares
because
of
the
changes
we're
implementing
the
biggest
change
in
the
history
of
our
system,
where
they're
asking
people
today,
largely
most
of
whom
ride
and
sit
the
entire
time
from
their
deload
to
where
they
would
off
to
not
only
make
a
transfer.