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Transit Commission Meeting - April 18, 2018 - Audio Stream
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A
A
We
will
begin
with
any
declarations
of
interest,
seeing
none
confirmation
of
the
minutes,
27
from
the
21st
Cairo
2018
Carrie.
Thank
you.
Communications.
We
have
responses
to
enquiries,
contingency
planning
for
the
closure
of
LRT
stations
in
the
cases
of
emergency
and
routes,
12
7,
&,
6
bus
cancellation
rates.
B
A
A
Since
item
received
received
item
number
Q,
general
counts,
transit,
write-offs,
2017
that
the
Transit
Commission
received
this
report
regarding
write-offs
of
sending
four
thousand
two
hundred.
Ninety
five
dollars
of
the
2017
general
counts,
as
required
by
the
delegation
of
authority
by
law,
carry
oh
very
quickly.
Councillor
Kuching.
C
Thank
you,
it
is
a.
It
is
a
a
good
number
in
percentage
terms.
Just
wanted
to
inquire
either
with
the
general
manager
or
maybe
revenue
is,
is
the
place
for
this
to
be
asked.
But
what
is
the
agreement
I
note
in
the
report
that
sometimes
it
goes
to
collection?
What
is
the
agreement
with
collections
and
how
much
do
we
pay
for
for
that
service?
In
percentage
terms,.
D
Through
your
chair,
we
do
have
agreements
with
three
collection
agencies
and
they
complement
city
services,
and
what
happens
is
when
that
debt
is
uncollectible
at
the
city
is
sent
out
to
agency
and
then
the
rate
that
they
charge
is
added
on
to
the
collection
amount,
that's
owed,
that
is
under
the
Municipal
Act.
We
have
the
authority
to
do
that
and
what
that
means
is
that
the
city
doesn't
pay
any
extra
for
those
services.
D
D
A
E
Thank
You
mr.
chair
first
of
all,
I
would
like
to
thank
staff
for
their
assistance
in
helping
me
to
to
draft
this
motion.
I
would
certainly
like
to
thank
mayor
Watson
as
well
for
his
leadership
on
this
issue
when
Quebec
passed
bill
62
into
law
immediately
on
October
25th,
apparently
without
prompting
from
Council.
The
mayor
wrote
a
very
strongly
worded
letter
to
premier
cleared
saying
that
OC
Transpo
and
their
drivers
will
not
take
steps
to
enforce
the
so-called
religious
neutrality
law.
E
One
possible
interpretation
would
have
our
bus
drivers
providing
service
to
people
wearing
religious
insignia
as
our
buses
operate
in
Quebec
and
as
much
as
the
mayor
took
strong
leadership
on
this
issue.
Something
like
this
should
not
be
left
up
to
the
whim
of
an
individual
mayor
and
at
some
point
presumably,
and
the
future
doesn't
appear
like
it's
going
to
be
soon.
We
are
Watson,
may
no
longer
be
the
mayor
of
Ottawa,
but
something
like
this
should
not
even
be
left
up
to
the
whims
of
the
electorate.
That
is
exactly
the
purpose
of
the
Charter.
E
So,
in
order
to
take
what
the
mayor
wrote
by
letter
and
make
it
policy
of
this
commission
I
want
to
support
this
motion
again
suggesting
you
know,
as
the
motion
reads,
but
that
it
be
it
resolved
at
the
Transit
Commission
for
the
City
of
Ottawa
will
remain
committed
to
equality
and
diversity
and
will
continue
to
provide
OSI
travels,
transit
services
in
a
manner
that
respects
the
fundamental
freedoms
guaranteed
to
all
by
the
Canadian
or
Charter
of
Rights
and
Freedoms.
I.
E
Do
note
that
this
comes
one
day
after
the
anniversary
of
the
charge,
so
I
think
it's
an
appropriate
motion
and
I
think
it
makes
it
policy
of
this
commission
something
the
mayor
has
already
expressed
will
be
our
our
operating
procedure.
Those
would
be
my
comments
and
I
would
urge
everyone,
of
course,
to
support
the
motion.
F
Well,
we're
always
going
to
use
it
so
I
take
this
as
a
sa.
Not
it's
not
a
new
policy.
We
already
have
it
as
a
confirmation
and
I
have
no
problem.
Doing
that,
I'll
be
supporting
your
motion
because
I
think.
Sometimes
we
have
to
remind
ourselves
that
these
policies
exist,
but
sometimes
we
don't
pay
enough
attention
to
them
and
I
think
it's
really
important
that
we
don't
let
people
know
we're
just
doing.
F
This
now
fact
has
been
involved
with
the
city
for
some
time
and
and
it's
been
reinforced
again
a
bit
this
year,
and
certainly
the
city
manager
I
know
in
January
sent
out
an
a
memo
to
all
managers.
Say
we
have
this
lens
and
you
should
be
using
it
and
includes.
Is
it's
a
quote?
It's
called
equality
in
remember,
writing
equality
and
equity
equity
in
equality,
and
if
you
want
to
see
what
that
policy
that
says
it's
on
the
city
website,
you
can
see,
can
look
it
up
and
and
take
a
look
at
I.
F
A
G
G
First
and
foremost,
I
want
to
say
that
you
know:
we've
been
working
with
staff
and
senior
management
on
this
for
some
time
and
I
can
appreciate
the
complexity
of
the
network
and
some
of
the
challenges.
I
have
seen
statistically
we're
seeing
improvements,
but
you
know
for
for
what
I'll
call
you
know
a
neighbourhood
route
that
goes
through
to
a
Timms
area,
tobey's
area
and
mine.
It
is
an
important
connection,
I
love
to
hear
maybe
a
little
more
on
the
issues
of
construction,
because
you
address
in
a
response.
G
Some
of
the
construction
impacts
on
those
cancellation,
and
maybe
you
could
give
us
a
bit
of
Intel
as
to
the
definition
of
what
these
cancellations
truly
mean.
Right,
like
I,
think
that
I
certainly
didn't
appreciate
that
you
know
a
bus
that's
cancelled
to
me
was:
it
was
very
simple,
but
I
guess
there's
some
complexities
there.
So
maybe
we
can
start
by
just
getting
some
of
that
context
out
there.
H
Yes,
Thank
You,
councillor
and
I
know
we've
chatted
numerous
times
on
this
and
I
think
some
of
the
key
things
that
you
to
think
about
are:
you
are
the
peak
of
the
peak
of
detours.
It's
full-on
detours
for
the
LRT
construction
and
when
you
alais
other
construction
activities
such
as
O'connor,
such
as
what
is
coming
of
Elgon,
it
touches
into
point
number
two,
which
is
you:
have
you
made
a
decision
to
go
to
an
interline
system
many
many
years
ago?
That
was
the
wise
decision.
If
you
didn't
have
an
interline
system.
H
That
means
just
for
clarity.
A
bus
starts
off
as
a
certain
route
and
can
turn
into
another
route,
go
through
the
city
and
deadhead
and
so
forth.
If
you
didn't
do
that,
I
can
assure
you.
Your
tax
rates
would
be
much
much
higher
or
your
fares
would
be
much
much
higher
or
you'd
have
a
less
service,
so
you're
at
the
peak
of
construction
for
LRT
and
detours.
You
have
major
other
projects
that
impact
any
bus
route
and
I
can
tell
you.
H
I've
had
the
same
discussions
with
suburban
councillors
and
I've
worked
with
councilor
cactus
on
some
of
his
issues
and
council,
harder
and
so
forth,
because
the
system
is
fragile
in
that
a
route
that
is
a
number
12.
A
7
or
6
used
to
be
another
route
just
a
few
hours
before,
and
it
was
caught
in
traffic
it
couldn't
it
can't
get
out
to
suburban
route
or
can't
get
to
to
its
next
trip.
H
There
is
very
frequent
service
in
these
three
routes
that
you
have
other
areas
that
are
affected,
don't
have
the
frequency
that
you
have
and
then
we're
into
bucket
number
3,
which
is
the
control
center.
That
you've
seen
does
literally
thousands
of
adjustments
through
all
the
technology
that
we
have
there
to
fill
as
many
trips
as
we
can.
H
So,
while
you
see
these
cancellations,
there's
others
that
could
potentially
become
cancellations
that
we've
saved
those
trips
and
we've
done
adjustments-
and
you
know
this
morning-
I
took
a
took
a
little
bit
of
a
spin
through
a
part
of
route
12.
Just
to
experience
it
firsthand
I
can
tell
you
I.
Can
it's
very
very
simple:
to
see
whether
the
squeeze
points
are
and
they're
fragile
routes?
It
will
get
better
with
LRT,
but
I
also
want
to
manage
those
expectations.
As
you
and
I
have
chat.
H
This
is
not.
Some
of
this
is
not
atypical
and
I
emphasize
the
a
part
of
downtown
core
bus
operations
that
get
intermixed
with
traffic,
and
so,
if
you
go
to
New
York
Toronto
any
downtown
urban
areas,
you're
going
to
see
these
types
of
impacts
on
service,
so
that's
not
to
say
that
we
accept
it.
We
achieve
very,
very
high
standards
and
will
continue
to
do
that.
So
the
service
will
improve
it's
at
the
peak
of
its
peak
in
terms
of
being
fragile
in
terms
of
impacts.
H
We
are
very
conscious
of
what
the
customers
are
saying
and
we
are
working.
As
you
know,
on
route
12,
we've
got
some
ideas
that
we're
going
to
share
with
you
and
due
course
in
terms
of
some
possibilities
to
improve
things
and
then
there's
also
some
environmental
assessments
that
are
out
there.
I
know
that
we're
working
in
councilor
tyrannies
award
and
councillor
Nussbaum
is
looking
at
expanding
some
things,
with
an
upcoming,
EA
and
so
forth.
H
G
What
I
mean
that
the
statistics
kind
of
put
everything
in
context,
which
is
that
the
12
has
seems
to
always
be
in
the
top
five?
In
the
last
six
months
of
cancellation,
our
overall
cancellations
fluctuate.
This
is
citywide
on
a
monthly
basis.
I
mean
we've
gone
in
May
of
2017
at
about
1,400
cancellations.
G
G
You
know
it's
going
to
sound
a
bit
but
I'm
less
concerned
around
a
bus.
That's
a
bit
late,
I'm
more
concerned
around
a
bus
that
doesn't
come
right
like
if
someone's
at
a
bus,
stop
waiting
to
go
into
work
or
needing
to
pick
up
a
child
at
daycare,
whatever
coming
back
from
downtown
going
back
into
our
communities.
It's
a
challenge
right!
It's
it's!
It's
a
it!
G
We
collectively
want
to
make
bus
usage
a
lifestyle
and
when
you
start
creating
these
situations,
where
it's
not
just
a
delay
or
you
know,
life
planning,
it's
actually
impacting
their
livelihood.
It's
challenging
so
I'd
love
to
hear
what
interim
measures
we
can
put
in
place.
I
recognize
that
the
opening
of
light
rail-
even
if
you
don't
change
anything
the
intro,
not
interlining
algorithm
changes
and
the
impact
on
roads,
changes.
G
You've
explained
that
to
me
in
the
past
and
I
can
I
can
see
the
light
there,
but
I
think
there's,
there's
got
to
be
something
that
can
be
done,
especially
on
the
morning
peak,
which
one
we
knit
when
when
with
your
folks
when
we
narrowed
in
to
that
there's,
there's
some
situations
and
around
7
to
9
that
are
challenging.
So
I'd
love
to
hear
what
you
could
do
then.
So.
H
Again,
a
sort
of
the
macro
level
about
I
just
want
to
be
candid
on
this.
It's
I
don't
look
at
1%,
2%
4%!
It's
the
goal
should
be
zero,
because
if
your
bus
gets
cancelled
and
you
have
the
bus,
stop,
you
really
don't
care
if
it's
99.9
or
what
it's
your
trip
got
canceled.
That
is
what
everyone
in
that
control
room
is
striving
for,
and
everyone
in
the
organization
striving
for
zero
cancellations.
Having
said
that,
it's
not
a
perfect
world.
H
We
can't
always
achieve
that,
particularly
on
challenging
days
that
we've
had
in
the
last
couple
of
days
with
respect
to
the
12,
we're
looking
at
everything
under
the
hood
in
terms
of
possibilities
in
terms
of
we've
discussed
with
you,
some
of
the
transit
priority
lanes,
we've
discussed
with
you
some
of
the
signal,
timing,
adjustments,
we've
got
Phil
Landry
and
his
team.
Looking
at
it,
we've
got
vvg
looking
at
it
and
of
those
things
so
that
list
is
being
compiled.
G
G
If
that
bus
doesn't
pass
if
it's
late,
it's
a
different
issue,
but
if
it
doesn't
pass
you
we
all
know
full
well
that
then
capacity
becomes
an
issue
for
the
the
following
trips
and
that
compounds
itself
and
creates
a
very
intense
transit
experience
for
all
right
for
the
the
bus
driver.
That's
it.
You
know
feels
that
he
wants
to
pick
up
the
drivers,
but
there's
no
room
in
the
in
the
bus
and
so
on
with
the
with
the
you
with
the
transit
user
itself.
G
H
Is
yes,
we've
done
that
and
we
can't
adjust
right
now,
but
as
we
do,
the
quarterly
updates.
That's
what
we
do
across
the
system
and
we're
very
fortunate,
and
that
this
commission
and
City
Council
has
continued
to
fund
a
large
capacity
buses,
the
Arctic's
and
the
double
deckers,
which
are
really
helpful
in
terms
of
if
we
can
squeeze
in
additional
trips
to
to
address
the
capacity
issue.
The
other
thing
that
we
look
at
very
careful
is
the
bunching.
We
don't
want
back-to-back
buses
with
one
vacant
and
one
full.
H
I
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr.
chair
and
I
appreciate
the
fact
this
was
brought
up.
We
share
MPs,
I'm,
sure
MVPs
and
we
share
route
12.
So
there's
a
lot
of
things
we
share.
That
being
said,
I
remember
when
it
was
the
and
it
was
like
the
milkman
from
hell
and
now
it's
down
to
Route
12,
which
is
good
news.
I
do
I,
think
you're.
I
Seeing
the
same
pinch
points
I'd
you
especially
I,
don't
know
how
the
operators
are
masterful
and
skill
going
down
jasmine
Crescent
when
the
snow
banks
are
piled
up
in
the
side
and
cars
are
in
the
middle
of
the
street.
It's
amazing
not
to
get
through
there
but
I'm.
Looking
at
this,
the
bigger
picture
I
think
our
first
go
at
light.
Rail
is
going
to
be
absolutely
amazing
but
I
think
stage.
2
is
the
big
game-changer.
I
Major
opportunities
to
change
things
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
we're
going
to
be
out
there
I'm
certain
I
know
the
answer
already
to
inform
the
public
about
a
lot
of
these
things
that
there
is
going
to
be
change
every
time,
I
bump
into
someone
and
say
yeah,
Steve
Schewel,
a
rail
from
Blair
down
at
East
is
going
to
be
in
the
middle
of
the
highway.
They
go.
What
they
have
no
clue
so
part
of
my
role
is
I'm,
pushing
it
out
there
and
trying
to
get
the
message
out
there.
I
H
Start
with
stage
1
stage
1
we'll
definitely,
as
you
say,
change
the
game
in
in
very
positive
ways,
in
that
the
key
message
which
the
ready
for
rail
campaign
which
miss
Beijing
and
her
team
are
managing
now
that
we
know
the
target
month
for
the
launch,
we're
going
to
be
amping
that
up
that
will
be.
We
will
be
flooding
the
community
with
information
incrementally
and
strategically
about
those
key
messages
in
the
east.
H
Reliability
point
is
those
buses
that
are
now
streaming
through.
The
downtown
have
to
deadhead
and
get
to
will
no
longer
be
doing.
That
they'll
be
predominantly
staying
in
the
East
End
or
in
the
West
End
or
in
the
south.
There'll
be
some
crosstown
trips,
as
you
know,
but
that's
where
the
stabilization
and
the
help
and
as
you
expand
to
stage
two
and
stage
three,
absolutely
that
just
grows
incrementally.
I
And
in
just
a
quick
follow-up,
mr.
chair,
if
it's
okay,
so
on
that,
obviously
you
know,
like
I,
said
stage:
one
you're
right,
no
deadheading,
that's
great
news!
Now,
buses
are
a
little
more
localized,
knowing
the
length
of
route
that
route
12
takes
it's
really
hard
to
localize
that
one
in
stage
one,
but
in
stage
two
I'm
sure
we'll
have
a
lot
more
discussion.
F
Thank
you,
I
think
you
all
have
bus
route
problems.
I've
spent
many
many
many
hours
with
those
who
transport
had
them
out
for
meetings,
etc.
It's
one
thing
in
the
downtown
where
you
have
frequent
service
and
you
have
a
10
or
15
minute
service.
You
get
cancellation
when
you
have
a
30
or
1
hour
services
I
have
in
some
of
my
routes.
It
becomes
absolutely
critical
and
there
are
a
lot
of
serious
problems,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
problems
with
our
roads.
We
have
a
lot
of
problems
with
access.
F
We
have
problems
as
they've
got
all
the
things
that
were
mentioned
and
I
don't
bring
them
every
time.
I
have
them
to
this
committee,
because
I
would
be
here
every
every
meeting,
but
the
I
worked
heavily
with
also
transport,
and
they
do
everything
they
can
to
improve.
The
situation
started
off
having
a
21,000
people
working
the
business
park
and
no
bus
service
at
all.
We
now
have
bus
service,
it's
not
ideal,
but
it
has
met.
So
some
people
can
get
to
work
because
not
everybody
works
downtown
and
we
have
a
system.
Mr.
F
chair,
that
we
have
to
take
a
look
at
it's
very
much
geared
to
getting
people
downtown
in
the
morning
and
back
at
night.
I
kept
people
in
my
ward
to
live
in
Kanata,
north
and
work
in
Kineton
or
if
they
want
to
take
the
bus,
it'll,
take
them
an
hour
and
a
half,
and
it
have
to
have
three
different
buses,
which
one
every
30
minutes,
which
is
why
it
takes
an
hour
to
kill.
Sir
I
just
want
to
just
say,
is.
F
What
the
councillor
is
talking
about
with
this
particular
one
but
I
want
to
just
reiterate:
I
know
both
your
transfers
doing
the
best
that
we
can
with
resources
that
we've
given
them.
I
hope
it
will
improve
with
light
rail,
but
some
of
us
aren't
getting
light
rail
and
so
it
becomes.
My
people
are
complaining
that,
when
the
light
rail
opens,
it
will
take
them
longer
to
get
to
work.
They're
worried
about
having
600
people
in
one
station
all
trying
to
change
to
the
councillor.
A
B
Think
mr.
chair
and
thank
you
to
staff
for
the
response.
The
council
Fleury
asked
member
questions
that
I
was
going
to
get
to,
but
just
a
couple
of
quick
follow-ups,
one
of
the
things
that
he
noted-
which
I
think
is
great
news
and
we
didn't
have
the
statistics
when
I
put
the
inquiry
first
initially
is
the
total
number
of
cancellations
has
dramatically
decreased.
If
you
look
at
February
2018
we're
down
to
246.
B
According
to
the
official
statistics
compared
to
May
of
I,
guess
the
highest
was
May
March
of
2017,
which
was
1797,
which
is
good
news.
I.
Think
it's
important
to
note
that
I'm
just
curious
with.
Is
there
some
reason
why
that
happened?
Is
there
an
explanation
for
I
mean?
Is
this
a
trend
line
that
we
can
now
feel
confident
about,
or
is
it
variability
and
we
shouldn't
take
too
much
stock
in
the
fact
that
January
and
February
saw
very
low
cancellation
rate.
J
J
These
routes
and
overall
the
system
is,
is
very
fragile
at
this
point,
so
I
think
it's
early
to
say
that
it
is
it's
a
it's
a
trend
that
will
continue.
We
need
to
keep
on
it
and
manage
it,
and
you
know
I
think
you
know
the
positive
steps
we've
been
taking
with
regards
to
our
use
of
our
strategically
deployed
resources
in
terms
of
our
mobile
service,
trucks
allocated
buses
and
resources,
we've
been
using
those
much
more
effectively.
J
B
You
for
that
answer
so
you're
saying
it's
too
early
to
say:
we've
got
a
trend
line,
but
you're
feeling
good
about
the
fact
that
the
numbers
have
gone
down
and
so
we'll
see
what
happens
over
the
next
the
next
number
of
months.
Okay,
my
next
question
is
just
relating
to
what
gets
noted
as
an
official
cancellation.
So
I
often
hear
anecdotal
stories
of
oh,
the
bus
didn't
show
up,
or
the
driver
told
us
that
he
had
to
go
right,
downtown
and
wasn't
able
to
stop
and
I'm.
Just
wondering
it's
more
of
a
process
question.
B
But
to
what
extent
do
the
official
statistics
capture
all
of
the
cancellations
or
are
there
certain
cases
where
you
could
actually
see
a
bus
not
arriving
at
the
appointed
time
and
for
reasons
that
may
make
sense?
It
wouldn't
necessarily
show
up
as
an
official
cancellation
in
the
data.
So
is
there
a
gray
category
that
exists
out
there?
Mr.
chair,
if
a
trip
does
not
start
where
it's
scheduled
start
and
end
where
it's
scheduled
to
end,
then
it
falls
into
a
category.
B
The
trips
that
I
think
the
counselor
might
be
thinking
of
trips
that
are
delayed,
but
our
not
cancellations,
let's
say:
there's
a
route
that
runs
every
10
minutes
and
one
bus
is
delayed
by
12
minutes
so
that
it
actually
falls
behind
the
trip
that
it
would
normally
be
in
front
of.
So
instead
of
a
10-minute
wait,
there
would
be
a
20-minute
wait
for
a
bus.
None
of
you,
two
buses
that
come
a
couple
of
minutes
apart.
B
That
would
not
show
as
a
cancellation
that
would
show
as
a
one
trip
running
late
and
one
trip
running
on
time.
Okay,
so
in
that
case,
if
driver
were
to
say
you
know
what
makes
more
sense
for
me
to
try
and
get
back
on
schedule
and
that
driver
chooses
to
sort
of
accelerate
through
a
number
of
stops
and
try
and
get
back
on
track.
B
The
transit
user
may
think
that
person
is
not
servicing
the
stop,
but
that
wouldn't
show
up
as
a
cancellation
in
that
case
that
so
that
decision
would
be
taken
not
by
the
operator
but
by
the
control
center.
It
was
a
need
to
if
there
was
a
decision
that
in
that
area,
that
trip
should
be
cancelled,
not
operate,
and
that
bus
should
deadhead
to
the
other
end
of
the
line
move
out
of
service
in
order
to
put
itself
back
on
time.
That's
a
potential
source
of
cancellations.
B
A
Thanks
very
much
and
I
know
that
everyone
will
be
working
to
amend
routes
and
planning,
as
if
they're
successful
in
their
re-elections,
as
we
do
the
TMP
in
2019
quarterly
adjustments.
You
mentioned
adding
frequency
or
capacity
or
reallocating
capacity,
given
that
we're
not
buying
any
more
buses.
Where
is
that
extra
capacity
going
to
come
from
so.
H
Quarterly
Pat
and
his
team
look
at
how
all
routes
are
performing
and
if
routes
have
less
occupants
than
then
it
needs
to
in
terms
of
justifying
the
frequency,
those
those
roots
get
redeployed.
Also,
you
have
the
seasonal
shifts
with
school
bus
routes
and
things
like
that
and
those
Goods
redeployed
I.
A
Know
I
think
it
would
be
helpful
to
if
there's
going
to
be
in
filling
of
capacity
or
extra
buses
or
bigger
capacity
of
buses
put
on
routes.
It
would
be
helpful
to
understand
where
they're
coming
from
and
the
memo
that
you
send
as
well,
just
so
that
we
can
appreciate
how
the
system
is
functioning
in
totality.
I
Just
before
we
do
that
time,
mr.
chair-
you
mentioned
it
already,
but
to
whoever
the
representatives
are
after
October
22nd
for
our
three
areas.
Maybe
it's
just
direction
to
staff
that
we
continue
the
dialogue
and
discussions
around
the
routes,
knowing
that
there
will
be
TMP
changes
in
2019
as
well
as,
like
I
alluded
to
2022.
I
H
I
just
want
to
comment
on
TMP,
because
I've
heard
that
a
couple
times
I
caution
you
on
putting
a
timeline
on
a
TMP,
because
if
council
decided
to
proceed
with
the
TMP
next
term
of
council,
there
is
a
data
collection
process
that
needs
to
occur
that
takes
at
least
a
full
year
after
LRT
opening,
because
you
need
to
stabilize
the
entire
system
and
that's
just
to
collect
the
data
to
see
travel
patterns.
And
then
you
need
to
analyze
and
so
forth.
So
I'm,
just
commenting
because
of
the
timeline
on
2019
Oh.