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From YouTube: Transit Commission - November 20, 2019
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A
Okay,
folks,
so
if
we
can
get
started
again,
please
next
item
next
item
businesses,
the
proposed
2019
2020
term
accounts
of
priorities,
does
the
will
of
the
Commission.
Do
you
want
a
presentation
on
that
or
shall
we
just
go
to
questions
questions?
Questions?
Okay,
thank
you.
So,
first
we'll
do
delegations.
We
have
I
believe
where'd.
My
list
go
here.
I
thought
we
had
to
notice.
A
B
Thank
you
very
thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak
I've
taken
the
time
to
review
the
proposed
terms
of
council
priorities
that
was
tabled
and
I
know.
The
following
items
were
relating
to
transit
or
OC
Transpo,
one
light
rail
transit
to
the
Ottawa
International
Airport
to
stage
two
light
rail
transit
project,
three
make
the
old
train
Confederation
line
extension,
an
integral
part
of
OC
Transpo
system.
All
the
above-mentioned
initiatives
are
great.
In
my
opinion,
however.
However,
what
is
missing
from
the
terms
of
council
area
or
priorities
that
should
be
on
the
list?
B
I
believe
that
the
current
policies
that
have
led
to
the
kind
of
service
that
we
have
right
now,
which
resulted
in
which
resulted
in
ridership
over
the
last
eight
years
to
remain,
are
there
stagnant
or
grow
a
lot
smaller
because
of
the
current
service,
either
not
being
convenient
or
requires
users
to
walk
to
and
from
the
nearest
bus?
Stop.
In
my
opinion,
as
part
of
the
council
priorities,
there
needs
to
be
a
review
of
transit
planning
policy
and
service
capacity
standards
that
put
transit
users.
B
B
There
was
an
exchange
during
the
November
six
Transit
Commission
meeting
between
citizen
Commissioner,
Anthony,
Kerry
acto
and
mr.
Mann
Coney,
a
question
from
the
quote:
do
you
think
we
have
sufficient
bus
service
right
now?
Unquote.
Answer
from
mr.
main
Coney
quote
mr.
chair.
This
is
a
question
to
Council.
This
is
a
question
of
if
you're,
chasing
ridership
or
are
you
chasing
coverage.
This
is
a
very
complicated
policy
discussion
that
council
would
need
to
have
in
terms
of
that.
That's
not
staffs
job.
To
set
those
standards,
we
bring
you
the
best
professional
advice.
B
2011,
you
did
a
major
overhaul
of
your
bus
service.
All
those
policy
discussions
discussion
points
were
table.
Then
staff
followed
those
discussion
points
and
so
for
me,
as
a
general
manager
manager,
to
offer
my
view
as
to
whether
or
not
we
have
enough
frequent
bus
service.
That's
not
staffs
job.
Our
job
is
to
bring
you
the
information
for
you
to
make
that
policy
discussions.
B
End
quote,
given
that
the
response
to
the
commissioner
that
it's
not
staffs
job
just
set
standards
I
am
asking
the
Transit
Commission
to
do
the
following
as
part
of
the
terms
of
council
priorities,
one
review
and
change
the
policy
regarding
transit
planning
that
guides
how
bus
routes
are
created.
Currently,
there
is
a
policy
where
off-peak
service
would
be
provide
to
95
percent
of
the
population
within
the
800
year.
Walking
distance
and
for
rush
hour
service
would
be
provided
to
95
percent
of
residents
within
a
400-meter,
walking
distance
or
a
five-minute
walk.
B
While
I
do
not
know
what
the
current
service
kept
capacity
standards
are,
it
does
guide
how
frequently
bus
routes
operate,
what
bus
types
are
assigned
to
routes,
whether
trips
should
be
added
or
removed
on
a
particular
route
and
how
crowd
that
the
buses
should
be
should
be
before
actions
taken.
There
have
been
examples
where
frequency
on
bus
routes
have
been
reduced
through
the
use
of
high-capacity
buses.
A
good
example
were
route.
B
B
Frequency
reductions
with
double-decker
buses
may
have
worked
on
connection
routes,
but
not
on
busy
main
language.
In
my
opinion,
frequency
reduction
through
the
use
of
high-capacity
buses,
whether
it's
a
double-decker
bus
to
replace
particularly
buses
or
articulated
bus
to
replace
standard
for
you,
bus
to
carry
the
same
amount
of
passengers
is,
in
my
opinion,
bad
planning
policy.
To
conclude,
given
the
amount
of
feedback
of
bus,
sir.
A
Thank
you.
Mr.
Lam
yeah
run
out
of
time
now,
I
see
where
you've
submitted
correspondence.
Is
this
all
your
remarks?
So
we've
we've
got
those
remarks
in
writing
as
well.
Okay,
because
I
want
to
thank
you,
you
raised
a
lot
of
good
points.
There.
I
would
say
to
you
that,
in
my
view,
instead
of
the
tournament
council
priorities,
those
we
can
be
priorities
for
the
transit
commission
that
over
the
next
year
and
two
that's
a
lot
of
stuff
that
we
need
to
get
done.
Okay,
okay,
okay,.
A
C
A
comment
to
the
delegate,
mr.
chair
and
you've
correctly
pointed
out
and
I
hope
all
commissioners
heard
that
there
really
is
only
one
priority
in
the
whole
term
of
council
priorities
for
the
Transit
Commission
and
that's
a
big
one,
but
as
you're
about
to
see
in
the
next
few
minutes.
As
we
discuss
is
whether
or
not
we
should
be
adding
priorities
to
the
one
that
we
have
established.
So
thank
you
for
raising
them.
E
Gray
and
I'm
still
a
transit
writer
that
goes
from
Orleans
to
God
no
and
does
not
own
a
car.
My
priorities
and
my
answer
to
councillor
brockington
is
clear.
Yes,
you
should
have
more
priorities
related
to
transit,
it's
one
of
our
biggest
expenditures
and
it's
one
of
the
areas
that
impacts
lots
of
people
in
the
city.
You
can't
run
a
city
if
people
can't
get
around
and
get
to
their
jobs,
get
to
their
health
care,
get
to
the
food
they
need
to
take
home.
E
D
E
The
number
one
has
to
be
tracking
reliability
so
that
users
believe
in
the
system
and
believe
it
helps
them.
You
don't
have
any
tracking
of
reliability.
Now
you
will
need
that.
You
need
it
as
part
of
your
master
transportation
plan
that
will
be
coming
forward.
You
need
data
so
that
you
can
be
a
data-driven
organization.
So
I
would
like
you.
D
To
have
the
priority
of
looking
at
more
than
one
branch
of
your
operations,
that's
power,
Transpo
buses
and
LRT
and
LRT
expansion.
I
would
put
those
as
four
areas
that
you
are
active
in
and
I
would
like
you
to
become
a
data-driven
organization
by
looking
at
the
origin
destination
and
seeing
where
people
actually
go.
A
F
Hi
mr.
chair,
thank
you
for
letting
me
speak.
I
just
wanted
to
a
quote
from
the
city
of
Kingston's
priorities
for
council
for
this
term,
so
their
first
priority
is
demonstrate
leadership
on
climate
action
and
if
you
read
the
text
of
their
priorities,
it
talks
about
giving
the
economic,
social,
environmental
threats
of
greenhouse
gas
emissions
and
Kingston's
2019
declaration
of
climate
emergency,
which,
by
the
way
the
City
of
Ottawa,
also
declared
our
climate
emergency.
F
As
you
recall
earlier
this
year,
the
city
is
committed
to
sewer,
to
stir
the
environment
for
future
generations
as
an
internationally
connected
city.
Kingston
will
address
this
global
issue
as
a
local
climate
action
leader
and
inspire
kings
and
residents
become
part
of
the
solution,
so
they
have
specific
things
that
they
talk
about
and
there's
two
of
them
that
I
want
to
touch
on.
One
is
reduce
greenhouse
gas
emissions
by
fifteen
percent
across
the
seas
operations
by
2022,
okay,
so
just
three
years
in
the
future.
F
The
other
thing
they
have
in
there
is
that
they
will
incrementally
electrify
the
city's
fleet
of
vehicles,
including
public
transit,
and
actually
they
had
a
motion
at
Council
yesterday
to
buy
two
electric
buses
and
they're
proceeding
with
that
project.
So
what
I
would
like
to
see
given
the
the
fact
that
we
have
declared
a
climate
emergency
and
it's
undisputable
that
we
are
in
a
time
where
we
need
to
to
reduce
greenhouse
gases,
I'd
like
to
see
more
specific
numbers
from
the
City
of
Ottawa
in
terms
of
council
priorities
over
this
turmeric
council?
Thank
you.
A
Thank
you.
Is
there
any
questions?
Nope,
okay,
thank
you
very
much
for
your
delegation
very
much
appreciate
it
next
up
with
Trevor
Hoscheit
and
maybe,
while
Trevor's,
making
his
way
to
the
microphone.
If
staff
could
answer
something
for
me,
the
delegation
mentioned
about
reducing
greenhouse
gases
and
how
much
did
the
LRT
reduce
our
greenhouse
gas
output
I'm,
giving
you
a
chance
to
a
commercial
here,
No,
okay,
about
after
the
delegation,
then
that's
okay.
Go
ahead!
Mr.
Hollister.
G
So
I'd
like
to
request
the
indulgence
of
the
transit
commission
members
and
ask
a
fairly
last-minute
for
two
additions
to
the
term
of
Council
priorities
to
be
considered
an
ideally
made.
The
one
would
be
with
regard
to
what
Raymond
just
spoke
about
the
need
to
more
quickly
transition
away
from
using
fossil
fuels
within
the
city's
fleet.
G
We
know
that
the
buses
that
OC
Transpo
drives
burned
diesel
and
while
the
six
million
dollar
electric
bus
pilot
project
is
a
good
first
step,
we'd
like
to
see
a
turbo
council
priority
specifically
related
to
more
quickly
transitioning
away
from
the
use
of
fossil
fuels
within
the
city's
fleet.
So
that
would
be
the
one
request
and
I
just
want
to
see.
If
these
slides
are
gonna
work
to
show
you
that
cities
around
the
world
are
doing
a
wonderful
job
at
bringing
in
bus
lanes
on
existing
roads.
G
So
this
is
from
Boston,
where
they
use
something
as
cheap
as
a
pylon
to
designate
an
existing
road
to
be
a
bus
priority
Road.
So
the
city
has
the
ability
to
dramatically.
You
know
change
and
improve
what
occurs
within
the
right-of-way,
and
it
probably
is
the
greatest
single
thing
that
the
city
could
do
to
reduce
transportation.
Emissions
would
be
to
put
in
some
pop-up
bus
lanes
now.
G
I
know,
LRT
was
great
at
reducing
emissions,
but
there's
still
a
ton
of
emissions,
multiple
hundreds
of
tons
of
emission
being
spewed
into
the
atmosphere
every
year,
and
so
these
low
cost
tactical
urbanism
strategies
to
reallocate
road
space
to
pedestrians
and
cyclists
and
public
transit
vehicles
can
dramatically
increase
the
speed
that
buses
can
travel
through
our
city,
so
they
would
increase
the
frequency
they
would
increase
the
reliability
and
so
committing
to
this
idea
within
the
term
of
council
priorities.
I
think
is
absolutely
necessary
and
justified.
G
I'll
just
show
you
that
there
was
a
review
of
tactical
urbanism
that
was
done.
There
have
been
many
examples
across
North
America
of
these
pop-up
bus
only
lanes
what
they
found
in
this
review
of
these
projects
was
that
they
sped
up
the
journey
for
people
riding
on
the
bus.
They
improved
safety,
they
increased
ridership
to
a
surprising
degree
and
in
fact,
that
temporary
bus
lanes
and
other
pilots
aimed
at
speeding
bus
and
streetcar
trips
reduce
reduced
the
time
of
those
trips
20
to
50%.
G
So
this
is
exactly
the
type
of
solution
that
we
need
in
Ottawa's
public
transit
system.
We
know
LRT
is
good
when
it's
working,
but
the
system
very
much
silver
lies
on
buses
and
we
need
to
ensure
that
those
buses
are
more
quickly
able
to
bring
people
to
their
destinations
in
Toronto
with
their
King
Street
pilot
project.
They
saw
an
increase,
which
is
also
positive,
a
400%
in
terms
of
the
number
of
people
biking
along
that
stretch
of
King
Street
in
Toronto.
G
So
these
are
the
types
of
things
we
need
to
see
here
in
Ottawa,
so
yeah
I'd
love
it.
If
the
good
people
of
the
Transit
Commission
would
please
endorse
the
recommendations
I'm
trying
to
advance
to
the
next
slide,
but
but
certainly
we're
seeing
that
cities
are
doing
this.
We
know
that
Ottawa
has
a
lot
of
great
plans
to
increase
bus,
rapid
transit
lines
across
Ottawa.
We're
urging
you
to
quickly
implement
those.
G
Don't
wait
for
the
multiple
tens
of
millions
of
dollars
to
do
it
permanently
and
necessarily
upgrade
everything
you
can
do
things
for
as
little
as
the
cost
of
a
pylon
and
other
cities
have
shown
that
this
can
be
done.
It
should
be
done,
and
so
I
would
just
urge
you
to
to
do
that
and
then
certainly
with
regard
to
reducing
the
emissions
from
the
tailpipes
of
OC.
G
This
is
a
major
health
issue.
We
know
that
the
fine
particulate
matter
that
is
spewed
out
of
OC
Transpo's
buses
damages
human
health
and
it
contributes
to
greenhouse
gas
pollution.
So
more
needs
to
be
done.
It'd
be
great
to
see
these
ideas,
these
two
ideas
included
in
the
turbine
council
priorities.
Thank
you.
Thank.
D
G
You
know
the
mayor
and
other
people
working
for
the
city
getting
paid
good
money.
Can
you
with
that
information,
I'm
interested
in
going
the
next
step,
which
is
the
bus,
rapid
transit
improvements
and
reducing
the
emissions
from
the
tailpipes
from
the
bus?
So
it's
it's
great
to
keep
bringing
up
things
that
have
already
been
committed
to
I'm
asking
the
city
to
go
further,
because
we
know
that
the
climate
crisis
demands
we
go
further
and
it
would
actually
help
save
us.
C
C
The
quarterly
reports,
the
metrics
that
we
were
collecting
and
yes,
there
may
be
some
on
on
the
website,
but
these
are
important
and
we
need
I'm
definitely
getting
assurances
that
the
online
booking
system
will
be
rolled
out
and
we
will
do
that,
but
making
it
a
priority
sends
the
right
message.
It
confirms
to
the
public
that
this
will
be
a
priority
for
us,
this
term
of
council.
C
It's
not
going
to
add
new
work,
because
the
city
manager
is
concerned
that,
if
we
add
priorities
that
are
new,
we'll
just
be
adding
more
and
more
work
on
to
the
senior
staff,
so
I
think
there's
some
merit
and
value
in
focusing
on
the
transit
Commission's
main
objectives
over
the
next
four
years,
and
even
if
it's
something
we
know
we're
gonna,
be
doing
to
make
it
a
priority
to
enshrine
it
in
this
document
and
to
send
the
message
to
the
system
and
the
public
that
this
is
what
we're
gonna
be
focused
on.
So
mr.
H
The
the
councilor
brings
up
a
very
good
point
and
I
know
the
city,
manager
and
I
were
talking
about
this
and
I
you're.
Quite
right
in
that
it
looks
on
the
surface,
it
looks
like
we
just
have
one
it's
a
big
priority.
What
I
believe
is
lacking
and
I'd
be
happy
to
work
with
you
to
give
direction
or,
however
way
you
want
to
do
it.
What
I
believe
we
should
bring
forward
is
what
we
used
to
do
before
we
turned
it
all
off
because
of
the
LRT
and
the
disruption
nature
of
it.
H
But
let
me
tell
you
what
we
are
working
on
for
this
term
of
council
in
this
mandate
in
this
room
things
like
the
performance
management
system,
which,
as
one
of
the
speakers
talked
about,
how
do
we
bring
you
a
date,
bass
and
informative
metrics,
so
you
can
make
policy
decisions.
The
annual
survey
that
we
used
to
do.
We
turn
that
off.
We
reinstate
that
back
the
marketing
plan,
the.
H
So
I'm
where
the
city
manager
is
I,
don't
think
you
need
to
add
more
priorities
because
it
may
just
cloud
the
thing.
I
know
you
a
list
that
says
here's
everything
that
we're
doing
and
does
that
fit
in
with
the
vision
of
the
transit
commission
for
your
term
and
I'm
happy
to
commit
to
that
to
bring
that
in
q1
it'll,
be
you
know,
crisp
report
that
lists
those
initiatives,
because
we
have
strategically
brought
all
the
reports
forward
in
the
past.
That
said,
we
weren't
gonna
do
performance
measure
we
weren't
going
to
do
and
so
forth.
H
So
we
owe
you
all
that,
and
of
course
you
know
what
the
delay
of
the
Train
and
so
forth,
we've
we've
kind
of
lost
some
of
those
things
in
terms
of
where
they
fit.
So,
if,
if
that
works,
that's
a
commitment.
I
can
certainly
do
to
work
with
yourself
in
the
chair
in
terms
of
bringing
that
back
in
q1
yeah.
C
I'd
like
to
meet
with
you
over
the
next
week,
if
possible,
just
to
talk
about
that
a
little
further,
but
we
shouldn't
govern
this
commission.
Mr.
chair,
as
you
know,
through
Twitter,
we
all
have
I
think
strong,
passionate
reasons
why
we
serve
on
this
commission
and
there
are
a
lot
of
things
that
I
don't
see
as
monthly
updates
that
I'm
interested
in
and
if
I
knew
that
mr.
C
Mahoney
had
an
annual
work
plan
per
se,
and
he
shared
that
with
this
Commission
once
a
year
and
says
here
are
the
key
objectives
that
the
Commission
is
going
to
be
working
on
this
year.
We're
gonna
be
really
focusing
on.
You
know
these
top
five,
that's
really
good,
because
it
gives
us
that
information
and
those
updates
so
I
don't
really
care
whether
it's
a
priority
or
not.
I
think
there's
some
benefit
in
identifying
priorities
in
this
document,
but
if
there's
another
way
to
do
it
and
mr.
C
A
Good
to
hear
okay,
so
then
the
recommendation
is
that
the
Transit
Commission
considered
the
actions
under
its
mandate,
as
outlined
in
document
1,
and
forward
its
recommendations
to
Council
for
consideration
at
the
meeting
to
be
held
on
December
11th
2019.
These
recommendations
will
proceed
to
council
and
a
report
from
the
Finance
and
Economic
Development
Committee.
Is
that
item
carried
here
at
the
Commission
Gary?
Thank
you
all
right.
A
I
J
Thank
You
chair,
thank
you
for
holding
this
I.
Just
I
had
a
question
about
one
of
the
items.
It's
actually
item,
41
the
supply
and
deliver
8282
40-foot
transit
buses
for
transit
operations,
so
I'm,
just
just
curious
as
to
when
those
buses
were
delivered,
are
to
be
delivered.
How
that
approval
came
to
be
just
just
not
sure
what
those
buses
are.
D
Mr.
chair,
so
the
city
participates
in
a
cooperative
purchasing
program
with
Metro
links
where
we
had
the
option
to
purchase
buses
in
2018.
We
entered
into
a
contract
with
Nova
to
make
an
original
order.
This
was
an
extension
to
that.
Mr.
Mann
Coney
had
made
reference
to
some
replacement
buses,
the
delivery
of
which
has
been
advanced
its
these
buses
that
were
referring
to,
but.
J
This
is
82
buses,
I,
just
I'm,
not
a
math
major,
but
I.
Just
don't
doesn't
understand
where
the
40
is
this.
Is
it
included
the
new,
the
40
that
we
just
put
on
there
just
coming
on
to
the
road
to
replace
our
like?
They
is
this
the
40
from
January
the
24
hour,
one
like
what?
What
are
these
I
just
don't
know
what
the
82
buses
are,
its.
H
Normal
replacement,
so
I'll
use
round
numbers.
We
used
to
have
a
thousand
buses
of
different
types.
There
is
a
15
year,
life
cycle
of
those
buses
and
they
get
ordered
in
different
periods
as
they
go.
They
go
through
two
stages:
midlife,
we
rehabilitate
them
year,
15.
They
have
to
be
disposed
of.
We
order
them
in
year,
13
and
a
half,
so
they
come
in
for
year,
15.
So
there's
a
constant
flow
right
now.
What
you're
starting
to
see
is
a
big
replacement
on
major
acquisitions.
H
J
You
so
just
one
other
question,
then,
because
you
know
at
Transit
Commission
a
few
months
ago
we
agreed
to
a
pilot
on
electric
buses
and
I
just
worry
that
we
continue
to
purchase
diesel
buses
when
I
know
we
haven't
done
the
pilot,
but
we
know
that
the
technology
exists.
We
know
it's
getting
better
and
I.
Just
you
know:
I'm
I'm,
looking
for
some
assurance
that
staff
are
starting
to
turn
their
attention
to
electric
buses,
our
alternative
buses
and
not
just
continuing
along
the
same
path
that
we
have.
H
Councilor
you're
right
we,
these
were
already
purchased
the
detour
buses
we
needed
to
purchase
those.
If
you
recall
what
I
said
at
the
time
and
we're
staying
on
that
mission
is
we're
going
to
do
the
pilot
electric
bus
I
want
to
get
those
in
service
this
summer
the
money's
been
secured.
We
know
how
to
go
the
RFP
that
you've
requested,
and
then
we
owe
you
a
report
to
come
back
because
we've
got
major
purchases
coming
and
the
transportation
master
plan
also
speaks
to
alternative
fuels.
H
It's
not
just
electric
is:
do
you
want
to
look
at
hydrogen?
Do
you
want
to
look
at
C
and
G
all
sorts
of
things
out
there,
so
what
I
committed
to
is-
and
this
speaks
back
to
councilor
Brockington-
is
comment
about
you
know.
What's
on
your
work
plan
well
on
the
work
plan,
is:
do
the
pilot
and
bring
back
a
report
saying
here's
your
next
ten
year
old.
Look:
are
you
making
a
commitment
to
shift
to
alternate
fuels
and
here's
the
cost
implications?
H
I
know
everybody's
running
around
saying
you're,
gonna
save
millions
of
dollars
and
so
forth.
We
will
bring
you
all
that
business
case
and
you
will
have
a
very
complex
decision
to
make
about
whether
or
not
you're
you're
committing
yourself
to
an
alternate
fuel.
Or
you
want
to
stay
the
course
and
do
alter
things.
But
that's
what
we're
gonna
be
bringing
forward
to
you
and
will.
A
Ask
you
that
I
think
you
really
stretch
it
good
catch
good
catch.
Thank
you.
I
keep
a
close
eye
on
her
mr.
mank
Oni.
Okay.
So
if
we're
done
with
that
item,
is
that
carried
everybody
great?
Thank
you,
Thank
You,
Catherine
McKenna.
So
now,
let's
move
on
here
so
next
will
receive
presentation
on
the
2020
draft
operating
budget
for
the
transit
commission,
followed
by
public
delegations.
The
vice-chair
will
read
the
budget
roadmap
motion
for
the
transit
commission
right
now,
and
we
may
have
a
number
of
many
motions
to
consider.
A
I
would
remind
members
that
if
they
propose
to
introduce
any
motions
that
contain
financial
implications,
we
would
do
well
to
ask
for
a
comment
from
the
service
staff
on
the
financial
implications
and
implement
the
ability
of
such
a
motion.
Members
have
also
been
advised
that
if
they
are
asking
for
anything
with
an
Associated
cost,
they
are
to
find
the
offsetting
revenues.
C
Just
to
get
it
on
the
record
now
before
we
receive
delegations.
Mr.
chair,
one
motion
that
I
have
and
I'm
not
going
to
read
the
whole
thing,
but
it's
to
introduce
a
family
day
pass
something
that
has
been
requested
for
a
number
of
years
now.
I'll
just
read
that
therefore
clauses,
therefore
be
it
resolved
that
OC
Transpo,
implement
the
family
day
passed
during
the
March
break
is
scheduled
in
2020
by
the
four
school
boards
in
Ottawa,
beginning
on
the
Saturday
through
to
and
including
the
following.
Sunday,
therefore,
be.
C
A
A
L
You
this
is
a
directive
to
staff,
and
is
this
an
appropriate
time,
then?
Okay,
that
staff
review
the
ottawa
seniors
transportation
committee
proposal
to
Transit
Commission
entitled
senior
pick
your
ride
free
day
and
report
back
to
the
Transit
Commission,
with
information
on
the
feasibility
of
implementing
this
proposal
now
or
in
the
future.
This
is
about
the
possibility
of
changing
what
is
now
Wednesday
to
another
weekday,
so
that
seniors
can
make
appointments
on
other
days
other
than
that
day
that
has
been
pre
picked.
Thank.
D
Great
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
whereas
council
has
adopted
a
transit
long-range
financial
plan
which
predicted
to
handle
increases
to
the
transit,
fare
to
keep
pace
with
the
transit
costs
of
inflation
and
maintain
the
appropriate
balance
between
funding
of
transit
from
taxes
and
fares
and
whereas
on
June
15
to
2016
approved.
The
annual
fare
increase
should
be
made
January
1st
each
year
to
be
consistent
with
the
city's
budget
year.
D
Subject
to
the
annual
budget
approval,
whereas
by
decision
of
council,
the
twenty-nine,
fair
2019
fare
increases
frozen
until
October
1st
2019
in
recognition
of
the
delay
of
the
opening
of
Oh
train
line
1.
Whereas
the
2020
draft
budget
recommends
an
overall
2.5%
base
increase
of
OC
Transpo
fares
to
take
effect
on
January
1st
2020,
whereas
the
Transit
Commission
is
of
the
opinion
at
the
current
service
being
provided
by
the
O
train
line.
D
When
result
in
the
approximate
reduction
of
fare,
values
of
980
thousand
dollars
and
the
city
treasurer
has
advised
that
this
is
a
reasonable
to
expect
that
this
reduction
over
a
short
term
can
be
funded
through
the
financial
performance
provisions
of
the
project
agreement
and
with
the
Rito
Transit
group.
Therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
effective
date
for
the
recommended.
D
2020
fare
increase,
be
amended
from
January
1st
to
April
1st
2020,
with
the
anticipated
revenue
reduction
of
980
thousand
dollars
to
be
funded
from
the
anticipated
funds
from
the
financial
and
performance
provisions
and
the
project
agreement
with
the
Rito
Transit
group
and
be
further
resolved
that
the
Transit
Commission
recommend
the
council
direct
the
general
manager
of
transportation
services
to
bring
forward
recommendations
to
Transit,
Commission
and
council
no
later
than
February
2020
on
how
a
freeze
beyond
March
2020
could
be
funded
in
the
event.
Lrt
services
and
transit
passengers
has
not
improved
to
the
city's
satisfaction.
A
H
Thank
You
chair
chair
members
of
committee.
This
is
your
first
year
of
a
multimodal
service,
as
we've
said,
over
and
over
again,
the
draft
operating
budget
reflects
the
investments
to
bus
service
that
I'm
going
to
talk
about
in
a
moment
and
that,
as
we've
said
throughout
the
morning-
and
this
afternoon
is
based
on
the
feedback
we've
heard
stage,
two
construction
has
begun
and
you're
going
to
we're
back
in
the
detour
business,
not
to
any
scope
and
scale
of
of
stage
one.
But
I
can
tell
you
that
we
have
to
be
very
sensitive
to
it.
H
There's
a
lot
of
people
that
will
be
impacted
on
the
trillium
line,
students
and
so
forth.
That
will
need
good,
robust
bus
service
there,
so
we're
working
very
diligently
coders
to
make
sure
that
they're
informed
there'll,
be
lots
of
communication
coming
out
to
ward
councillors,
to
the
Commission
and
to
the
stakeholders
along
the
line.
The
mitigation
measures
that
I
mentioned
in
ameri.
My
earlier
presentation
come
from
non-payment
of
the
month,
the
RTM
fees
and
contractual
clauses,
as
I
said
throughout
the
day.
So
I
won't
dwell
on
that
in
terms
of
the
key
highlights.
H
There's
a
seven
half
million
dollars,
investment
for
bus
service
with
the
additional
19
buses,
the
you
are
increasing
your
bus
fleet
by
40.
That's
a
base
adjustment
that
doesn't
disappear
and
we'll
figure
out
all
of
the
capital
replacement
plans
accordingly,
with
those
40
buses
and
so
forth
down
the
road.
Two
million
dollars
for
increased
paratransit
service,
the
freeze
to
echo
past
community
pass
an
Access
Pass
is
also
included
in
there.
H
There's
the
15
million
dollar
capital
funding,
which
funds
the
closure
of
the
Trillium
Line
and
provides
the
bus
detours
and
continue
a
capital
investment
across
all
aspects
of
the
service
fare
increase
was
originally
planned.
Genuine
2020,
that's
subject
to
the
motion.
Our
draft
motion
that
you're
going
to
debating
terms
of
ridership
we're
basing
the
budget
on
about
ninety-nine
point
four
million
customer
trips.
That's
about
two
point:
six
percent
higher
than
the
ridership
over
the
last
twelve
months,
where
we
are
expecting
it
to
grow.
H
You've
seen
the
estimates
this
morning,
I
won't
read
or
repeat
those,
but
September
looks
like
it
was
up.
October
and
year-to-date
is
trending
upwards,
which
is
very
positive
in
terms
of
fare
revenue,
you're,
generating
about
two
hundred
and
three
million
dollars
in
fare.
It
incorporates
the
fare
increase
and
the
offset.
If
you
approve
the
motion
terms
of
para
Transpo
I
know,
there's
been
lots
of
questions.
What
do
we
get
for
that
investment?
That's
about
another
55
to
70
thousand
more
trips
to
accommodate
the
increased
ridership.
H
Service
expansion,
it's
for
service,
reliability,
increased
capacity,
reducing
and
waiting
times,
and
also
to
provide
connections,
and
it's
not
just
about
the
existing
ridership.
It's
also
the
new
growth
areas
across
the
city.
Many
of
you
have
spoken
about
this
to
us
and
again
will
reiterate:
we're
happy
to
work
with
councillors
to
to
drill
into
the
details
on
reliability
and
capacity
and
just
to
make
sure
there's
no
confusion.
All
the
instructions
to
patent
his
team
is
when
he
is
meeting
with
you.
If
you
want
to
have
the
trade-off
discussion,
please
have
it
very
succinctly
with
us.
H
So
if
we're
proposing
something
to
you-
and
you
say,
I'd
rather
do
something
else:
to
increase
reliability
rather
than
expand
service.
We're
wide
open
to
that
I'm,
just
being
as
candid
as
I
can,
so
that
we
understand
how
critical
this
bus
services
to
our
customers
into
yourselves
and
we're
open
to
those
trade-off
discussions,
and
we
have
flexibility
in
our
policies
to
do
that.
H
So
in
terms
of
a
roll
up,
our
target
was
twenty
two
point:
eight
million
dollars
again
what
I
said
this
morning.
This
is
not
contingent
on
going
to
other
departments
and
so
forth.
So
it's
a
balanced
operating
budget
based
on.
What's
before
you
and
in
the
details,
that's
in
the
budget,
the
books
terms
of
capital
highlight
buzz
bus,
a
lifecycle
that
is
a
very
wise
investment.
It
keeps
your
fleet
current.
H
You
have
one
of
the
best
fleets
out
there
in
North
America
in
terms
of
age,
maintenance
and
our
staff
do
a
great
job
of
life,
cycling
them
the
detours
and
also
the
critical
little
things
I.
You
know,
I've
heard
suggestions
that
we're
forgetting
about
some
of
those
things
were
not.
They
may
not
get
the
profile
that's
needed,
but
a
bus
stop
is
important
to
shelter
and
so
forth.
H
E
You
John
first
of
I
want
to
actually
apologize
to
the
citizen
commissioners,
because
this
information
on
reserve
balances
is
not
in
your
transit
budget
book.
It
actually
is
only
in
the
transmittal
report,
which
I
don't
think
you
received
I've
spoken
to
the
new
treasurer,
and
she
assures
me
that
in
future
budget
books
you
will
get
the
reserve
balances.
You'll
get
a
continuity
table
included,
so
you
have
basically
five
sources
of
funding
for
both
your
capital
and
your
operating.
E
You
have
a
transit
operating
reserve
which
we
established
a
couple
of
years
ago
and
there's
1.5
million
in
it
and
right
now
we
are
projecting
no
change
in
that,
but
I
will
tell
you
right
now
that
the
2019
number,
the
year-end,
the
opening
balance
may
in
fact
change.
We
were
not
forecasting
a
surplus
in
transit,
but
we
may
have
a
surplus
at
the
end
of
the
year
if
there
is
a
surplus,
it
goes
into
this
account
your
transit
capital.
E
As
you
can
see,
you
have
about
17
million
dollars
in
there
we
contribute
85
million
dollars
a
year
included
in
that
is
the
9.8
million
increase
in
2020,
and
this
year
we
are
using
three
and
a
half
of
that
is.
Although
it's
supposed
to
be
used
for
capital,
we
are
contributing
three
and
a
half
bit
to
operating
in
order
to
deal
with
the
additional
buses
that
you
need
for
the
reliability
issues
in
2020.
E
That
will
have
to
be
fixed
in
the
2021
budget,
because
you
cannot
sustain
that
over
time
that
ongoing
contribution
from
your
transit
capital
reserve,
and
then
you
will
see
that
we
are
contributing
90
million
dollars
to
your
capital
programs
in
2020,
leaving
you
with
a
small
balance
of
8.9
I
will
tell
you
this
right
now,
though,
that
that
does
not
include
other
commitments
that
you
have
made
in
previous
years,
which
go
over
time.
An
example
of
that
is
on
the
bottom.
You
can
see:
there's
117
million
from
the
transit
capital
reserve,
that's
for
stage.
E
1
you'll
be
paying
that
over
the
next
30
years.
We
haven't
taken
that
out
of
the
reserve,
but
we
have
that
built
into
our
plan,
so
we
know
how
much
you
need
every
year
how
much
you
have
available,
but
there
is
money
that
needs
to
be
taken
out
of
that
account
every
year
for
the
debt
servicing
the
same
with
the
development
charges.
Provincial
gas
tax
provincial
gas
tax
is
roughly
thirty
six
million
dollars
a
year.
You
have
11
million
that
was
not
committed
or
spent
from
previous
years.
E
You
can
use
provincial
gas
tax,
it
only
can
be
used
for
transit,
it
can
be
used
in
operating
and
it
can
be
used
in
capital
right
now.
We
are
transferring
19
million
dollars
to
operating
for
actual
for
operational
services.
There's
another
18
million
dollars.
That's
for
debt
servicing,
where
you've
approved
capital
works
that
are
to
be
funded
from
gas
tax
service
debt
that
goes
in
every
year,
and
then
we've
got
2
million
going
to
a
capital
project
in
2020.
E
So
that
leaves
you
with
a
balance
of
about
8
million
left
in
your
gas
tax
reserve,
your
federal
gas
tax,
the
much
larger
portion
of
the
gas
tax,
56
million
you
get
a
year
that
is,
can
be
used
for
a
variety
of
things,
but
it
can
only
be
used
for
capital.
It
cannot
be
used
for
operating.
So
prior
councils
had
committed
that
that
federal
gas
tax
was
to
go
to
transit
this
year.
As
a
result
of
the
one-time
payment,
we
got
on
the
federal
gas
tax.
E
Roughly
58
million
additional
dollars
council
decided
that
they
would
in
fact
use
that
money
to
bridge
the
gap
that
we've
got
in
our
infrastructure
funding
for
basically
roads,
bridges
and
active
transportation,
and
we
would
intern
because
the
provincial
gas
tax
doubling
didn't
happen,
use
what
we
were
going
to
use
on
the
tax
side.
For
that
gap.
E
We
would
use
that
and
contribute
that
to
the
transit
tax
capital
reserve,
but
you're
the
balance
there
is
fairly
large
59
million,
but
a
large
part
of
that
is
committed
to
that
plan
to
basically
replace
the
provincial
gas
tax
with
tax
dollars
over
roughly
a
seven-year
period.
So
a
roughly
40
million
of
that
would
be
committed
to
that
plan
over
the
next
three
years
and
then
finally,
you
have
your
development
charges.
You
collect
development
charges
for
growth,
related
projects
that
are
transit
that
well.
We
have
increased
that
charge
consistently
over
the
years.
E
Recognizing
that
transit
is
was
the
number
one
priority
in
terms
of
growth.
You
are
receiving.
We've
forecast
that
you're
gonna
have
contributions
of
62
million
dollars,
some
development
charges
for
transit
and
right
now
the
UN
see
their
capital
contribution
is
only
nine
million.
You
have
23
million
that
is
going
for
debt
servicing,
leaving
you
with
a
hundred
and
eighteen.
E
But
if
you
look
on
the
bottom,
it
says
you
actually
have
a
commitment
right
now
of
two
hundred
and
twenty
nine
million
dollars
in
development
charges
that
we
will
pay
over
the
next
30
years,
which
is
part
of
what
we're
paying
for
the
debt
servicing.
So
we
haven't
taken
it
out
because
otherwise
it
would
put
it
in
a
big
negative,
but
again
that's
built
into
our
plan.
We
have
a
basically
a
plan
that
goes
to
20
42
takes
into
account.
E
K
You
very
much
Missy
and
first
can
we
a
Melinda
or
someone
else?
Could
we
make
sure
that
these
citizen
commissioners
have
a
perhaps
a
copy
of
the
slide,
with
respect
for
commissioner
right,
Gilbert,
kerokero
and
Olsen
copy
of
the
reserved
slide,
as
that,
might
that
might
just
just
to
guide
them
in
their
questions?
We
have
will
go
to
delegations.
First.
K
Mr.
Murray,
gallant
from
the
accessibility
Advisory
Committee
was
to
present
deputy
mayor
Liu
laughs
was
to
in
his
absence,
was
to
provide
his
comments,
but
he's
not
available,
but
his
documentation
is
on
file
for
the
commissioners
and
so
I
would
ask
our
first
delegation
dominica
Angelo
to
provide
comments.
M
As
someone
living
on
ODSP
I
relied
on
public
transit
to
go
to
medical
appointments
and
therapies,
free
leadership,
trainings
wellness
workshops
exercise
occasional
social
opportunities
in
school.
These
resources
located
across
the
city,
allowed
me
to
survive
dark
times
and
having
access
to
them
was
crucial
in
my
recovery
from
major
depression.
They
increased
my
well-being
and
helped
me
build
the
skills
and
confidence.
I
feel
I
need
to
be
ready
for
a
normal
life.
M
I
wish
I
could
say
that
the
transit
flowed
smoothly
and
made
it
easier
to
commit
to
my
schedule,
but
that's
far
from
the
truth,
with
the
recent
LRT
and
service
changes,
more
people
have
expressed
their
discontent
about
Ottawa's
transit
system,
but
in
my
experience
it
was
always
terrible
and
not
worthy
of
a
major
city,
let
alone
the
nation's
capital.
Public
transit
hindered
my
progress
knowing
how
critical
attending
my
commitments
was
to
my
recovery.
M
I
really
tried
to
push
myself,
but
the
commute
problems
were
so
frequent
that
just
the
thought
of
it
triggered
anxiety
and
dread
with
all
the
other
challenges
that
I
faced
taking
OC
Transpo
meant
that
I'd
end
up
physically
and
emotionally
exhausted.
At
the
end
of
the
day.
As
a
result,
I
often
bailed
out
and
chose
to
avoid
life,
I
had
99
problems
and
transit
was
certainly
one
of
them.
M
My
regular
bus
routes
were
predictably
unreliable
with
lateness
no-shows
that
occurred
almost
on
a
daily
basis
when
I
couldn't
afford
to
be
late.
I,
sometimes
rush
up
the
hill
to
catch
another
bus
that
would
take
me
to
Lincoln
field
station,
but
with
unsynchronized
apps
in
GPS.
What
is
called
the
tracking
reliability
I
believe
I
never
knew
if
I
risk
seeing
the
bus
go
by
past
I
go
past
after
I
had
just
left
my
initial
stop
when
this
happened.
The
frustration
often
caused
me
to
walk
back
home
only
to
sleep
all
day.
M
The
financial,
physical
and
emotional
burden
of
taking
public
transit
has
been
detrimental
to
my
mental
health.
I've
used
food
banks
more
times
than
I
want
to
admit
and
I
can't
remember
the
last
time
that
I
made
a
payment
on
my
student
loan
having
an
anxiety,
disorder
and
struggling
with
depression.
Can
leave
you
with
very
little
energy
and
willpower
and,
while
I
like
to
admit
or
I
like
to
think
that
I'm
resilient
the
added
frustration
that
I've
come
to
expect
from
OC
Transpo
increase
the
burden
and
risk
of
deep
isolation.
M
Public
transit
in
Ottawa
is
more
than
just
inconvenient,
and
anyone
with
a
better
option
would
be
foolish
to
waste
their
time
on
it.
The
lack
of
a
better
transit
system
affects
everybody,
but
if
you're
in
my
situation,
it
can
make
or
break
you
I'm
not
saying
this
to
have
your
pity,
but
it's
the
reality
of
many
people
living
on
a
low
income.
M
A
L
L
One
of
the
things
that
we
did
do
was
keep
a
freeze
on
the
low
income
passes
to
help
out,
but
yeah
I
think
you're
quite
right
that
we
have
to
do
better
for
first
service
and
and
make
it
more
reliable
for
you
because
clearly,
that's
a
problem
as
well
as
the
clearing
paths,
and
those
are
things
that
we're
going
to
be
working
on.
So
I
just
wanted
to
ask
you
about
your
concern
about
about
the
reliability.
M
Moved
out
of
that
area
this
summer,
so
I'm
no
longer
in
the
area
that
I
was
but
I
know
that
it
was
a
problem
and
for
six
years
that
I
lived
in
low
income
housing,
it
has
been
and
there's
a
lot
of
people
with
mobility
issues
and
mobility
devices
and
you
know
having
to
stay
in
all
winter,
because
there's
it's
hard
to
get
to
the
bus,
stop
I
think
was
one
of
the
problems,
but
I
haven't
I,
don't
live
there
anymore,
so
I
don't
know.
Thank.
L
N
Mr.
chair,
one
of
the
things
that
we
have
done
is
we've
engaged
with
I.
Think
it's
about
75
different
organizations
across
the
city
who
support
people
in
low-income
in
various
ways
to
give
them
information
on
how
they
can
provide
support
or
advice
for
their
for
the
people
they
they're
assisting
on
how
to
get
access
to
the
eques
pass.
N
They
both
for
the
monthly
passes
and
for
the
single
ride
passes
when
it
comes
to
planning
transit
services,
we're
guided
by
the
the
equity
and
inclusion
lens
that
the
City
Council
has
adopted
and
and
city
and
the
transit
Commission
has
adopted
some
policies
of
how
to
apply
that
as
we
consider
changes
in
areas
which
have
above-average
representation
of
people
and
low
incomes.
Thank.
L
O
O
I'll
give
you
an
example,
but
it's
a
bad
example,
but
this
gives
you
an
idea
if
you
want
to
go
to
the
gatineau
casino
you're,
paying
a
regular
fare
but
I
if
I
live
in
I
live
in
hearing
gate
I'm
paying
850.
How
does
that
make
sense?
Our
city
is
getting
larger
for
for
ferrous
repair
or
transport
customers,
but
we're
failing
them.
I
see
it
pair
of
transfer
customers
that
are
paying
the
price
once
again
for
the
shortfalls
it
there
is
I'm.
O
Looking
at
that,
the
investment
that
you're
putting
in
for
taxis,
it's
the
money,
therefore,
to
train
to
train
them.
The
taxi
drivers,
how
to
how
to
how
to
approach
customers
that
that
is
locking
in
this
city,
the
also
the
and
then
the
customer
does
the
customer
are
the
customers
are
aware
that
if
they
feel
that
a
contractor
is
treating
them
badly,
they
know
the
policy
that
they
can
report
them.
I,
don't
think
they
do,
and
that's
one
of
the
things
I
could
see
is
locking
it.
O
O
O
Why
do
we
have
to
for
people
that
are
sitting
the
seats
have
to
worry
about
their
windows
pop
and
open
when
they're
going
over
bumps?
These
are
safety
issues.
We
have
to
address
that
I
see
no
money
for
new
buses.
Some
of
the
transmissions
are
going
on
those
buses.
Those
are
major
dollars.
Ladies
and
gentlemen.
I
used
to
be
an
automotive
parts,
manager,
I
know
for
Chevrolet
dealer
and
they're
quite
expensive,
especially
for
the
diesels.
It's
I,
don't
know
if
it's
becoming
again
that
we
are
avoiding
us
and
it's
time
to
step
up.
Thank
you.
K
H
They're
they're
much
older
than
that
they
I'll
start
with
the
back
end.
We
do
have
in
the
capital
life
cycle
to
replace
them,
I
believe
they're
on
a
seven-year
life
cycle.
What
I
will
commit
to
mr.
chair,
because
I
have
seen
mr.
Redden's
issues
in
the
minute
I
get
them.
They
go
immediately
to
mr.
Greer
and
he
addresses
them.
But
what
I
will
commit
is
that
we
will
meet
with
mr.
Redding's
one
more
time
and
get
through
his
entire
list.
I've
heard
about
the
windows
I've
heard
about
the
shaking
I've
heard
about
all
those
things.
H
I
know
they've
all
been
action,
but
if
they're
still
outstanding,
you
have
my
commitment.
Mr.
Evans,
you
and
I
have
met
numerous
occasions,
we'll
meet
again
with
mr.
Greer
who's
here
and
will
personally
inspect
any
vehicle
that
he
but
also
I,
encouraged
him
when
he
sends
us
the
email
give
me
the
bus
number
and
we'll
track
it
down.
K
O
Also
offer
investment
into
training
the
contractor.
We
train
our
drivers.
Why
train
the
in-house
drivers?
We
have
to
start
training
the
altostrat,
the
the
contractor
drivers
on
how
the
out
of
the
powers,
especially
with
Ontario
AODA,
but
now
with
OSI,
transfer
we're
on
federal
guidelines.
Now
they
have
a
disability,
disability
legislation
federally.
We
have
to
address.
K
B
O
The
problem
is
the:
how
do
you
get
contact
with
them?
I
feel
within
half
our
jurisdiction
of
see.
For
example,
you
have
the
half
hour
deadline
to
pick
up
when
I
started
to
compare
Transpo.
That
I
was
in
a
taxi,
but
the
fortunate
thing
is
is
my
legs
are
so
long
I
couldn't
fit
in
the
cars,
so
they
I
had
firmly
got
into
the
van.
K
B
O
K
Thank
you
any
other
commissioners
for
mister
Redden's.
Thank
you
John.
It
was
nice
to
see
you
last
night.
Thank
you
for
your
continued
commitment
to
the
community.
John
was
recently
elected
as
part
of
the
Alta
Vista
Community
Association
Board
of
Directors.
It's
always
good
to
see
you.
The
next
delegation,
Madame
Christian
Santa,
Lee,
s'il,
vous,
plait,.
P
Good
afternoon
mr.
chair
obly
and
all
the
transit
commissioner,
my
name
is
christine
centauri,
I'm
a
resident
of
Vanier
and
a
member
and
a
volunteer
with
kiwi
city
for
all-woman
initiative
and
the
LT
transportation
coalition
am
here
today
to
talk
to
my
experience
with
OC
Transpo
and
advocate
to
transit
equity
in
ottawa.
P
As
a
woman
in
a
low-income
person
experienced
disability
who
rely
heavily
on
transit
for
any
mobility
across
the
city,
I
am
deeply
impact
by
the
disruption
and
a
change
in
transit
service
across
Ottawa
and
I'm
here
to
speak
on
behalf
of
my
community
that,
as
echo
similar
challenge
with
the
transit
before
I
speak
to
my
experience,
I
would
like
to
thank
the
council
for
the
freeze
in
this
year.
This
year
on
the
transit
fare
in
the
City
of
Ottawa
draft
budget
2020
for
people
who
use
Access
Pass
community
pass
and
equip
us.
P
B
and
back
women
tend
to
make
multiple
stops
as
they
use
public
transit
to
perform
multiple
daily
tasks
as
primary
caregiver
in
their
family,
such
as
getting
to
and
from
work
volunteering
going
to
grocery
store
or
getting
to
social
services.
Women
are
also
more
likely
than
men
to
accompanying
someone,
while
using
transit
system,
whether
to
be
traveling
with
church
children,
to
child
care
and
recreation
centers
or
to
accompanying
family
members
to
medical
appointments
and
services.
P
Since
the
change
of
the
utter
bust
of
the
bus
routes,
routes
in
October,
6,
2009
teen,
my
waiting
time
for
buses
have
increased
significantly
I
had
to
wait.
45
minutes
for
bus
11.
That
is
said
to
come.
Every
15
minutes,
on
which
day
on
November
12
I,
had
to
wait
an
hour
from
4
p.m.
until
5
p.m.
for
not
the
number
19
at
the
University
of
Ottawa.
It
was
very
cold
and
windy
that
day
and
while
I
was
fortunate,
that
I
had
a
bus,
shelter
to
protect
me
from
the
wind.
P
P
The
aquifer
transit
time
only
lasts
an
hour
and
a
half
I
asked
budget,
commissioner
to
increase
the
standard
transfer
time
by
an
hour
from
one
hour
and
a
half
to
two
hour
and
a
half
people
who
use
a
preparer
like
me,
because
they
cannot
afford
to
equip
us
and
also
for
people
who
use
the
single
right
book.
Voucher.
P
Doing
so,
I
will
conclude
like
that:
the
increase
in
standard
transfer
time
and
in
implant
implementing
a
sliding
scale
for
equal
pass
with
facilitate
greater
social
and
economic
participation
in
low-income
individual,
particularly
for
women
and
family
in
our
city.
Thank
you
for
listening
and
I'm
waiting
for
your
decision.
In
response
to
my
son,
sir.
L
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
for
representing
Cowie
a
city
for
all
women
initiative.
I.
Think
it's
very
important
to
hear
your
voice
here
at
the
table
when
we're
discussing
issues
regarding
that
transit
and
what
we
do
in
the
future
I.
My
question
is
actually
for
staff.
Are
we
consulting
with
Cowie
on
issues
such
as
low
income,
women
and
their
particular
concerns?
Councilor.
L
A
Thank
you
councillors
so
and
thank
you
for
your
delegation.
So
next
up
is
mr.
:
Alex
:,
followed
by
Sally
Thomas
and
mr.
Colin
I,
see
you've
got
on
the
list
here
and
they're
two
different
organizations.
As
you
know,
the
rule
is
each
speaker,
gets
five
minutes,
so
you've
need
either
combine
your
two
presentations
or
choose
between
them
place.
Mr.
I
Chairman
I'm,
accompanied
by
Asif
Mita,
we
are
members
of
the
Ottawa
seniors,
Transportation
Committee.
My
that
presentation
will
be
brief,
following
that,
I
will
be
representing
the
Federation
of
citizens,
Association
and
I'll,
be
accompanied
by
mr.
Brian
Ouray,
which
has
a
very
different
presentation.
These
are
two
separate
organizations.
I
happen
to
be
their
spokesperson,
but
I'm
not
making
I'm,
not
double
dipping,
in
other
words,
mr.
chairman,
so.
A
I
A
A
Q
Appearing
before
you,
on
behalf
of
the
order
of
a
senior's
Transportation
Committee,
the
CAC,
a
always
most
appreciative
of
your
leadership
policies
and
concerns
shown
for
seniors
transit,
the
Transportation
Committee
provides
those
our
committee
provide
City
of
Ottawa
or
were
seniors
with
information
about
public
transit
options,
as
it
relates
to
OC
transfers,
conventional
and
para
transfer
service
and
identifies
gaps
that
exist
and
pursue
solutions
for
achieving
their
needs.
Our
committee
thanks
the
city
for
maintaining
the
right
free,
venice
day
program
and
expanding
the
program
to
include
sundays.
Q
Q
Unfortunately,
it
has
led
to
overcrowding
on
the
bus
on
Wednesdays
problems
for
seniors,
seeking
sitting
on
those
busy
days
and
overcrowding
in
terms
of
seniors
programming
and
appointments.
On
that
day,
you
will
recall
we
we
came
before
you
last
year
to
ask
for
a
more
flexible
approach.
Regarding
this
program.
We
had
proposed
the
seniors
pick
your
free
day,
that
is
allowing
seniors
to
choose
one
of
the
five
days
of
the
week:
Monday
Tuesday,
Wednesday,
Thursday
or
Friday,
instead
of
being
restricted
to
only
the
one.
Q
P
K
A
I
A
:
you'll
lose
your
five
minutes
following.
If
you
don't
stop
talking.
Okay,
we
have
someone
speaking
here
I'm
asking.
If
it's
related
to
the
budget
item,
is
there
a
budget
ask
in
here
or
something
related
to
what
we're
trying
to
deal
with
the
item,
because
that's
a
program
that
we
we
can
deal
with?
I
I
know
what
you're
recommending
we've
heard
it
here
before
we
can
get
staff
to
take
a
look
at
that
and
see
what
can
be
done
and
make
recommendations,
but
we
don't
need
to
change
as
far
as
I
know.
A
Q
If
we
can
finish
this,
it
takes
30
seconds.
We
took
the
opportunity
to
meet
with
OC
Transpo
staff
recently
to
examine
the
problem,
and
I
am
pleased
to
able
to
tell
you
there.
Oc
Transpo
staff
have
indicated
to
us
their
willingness
to
work
with
us
to
resolve
the
overcrowding
problem
on
Wednesdays
identified
some
possible
solutions
to
explore.
We
are
asking
today
that
you
direct
start
to
examine
this
issue
and
report
back
to
you
with
possible
strategies
in
order
to
help
seniors
travel
safely
in
our
bus
system.
Q
D
Thank
you
for
this
and
I
think
when
this
came
up
before
there
was
a
question
of
whether
or
not
it
was
technically
feasible.
I
think
some
people
on
council
may
be
surprised
to
learn
that,
certainly
on
this
issue
at
the
very
least
I'm
very
pro-choice.
So
if
there
are
no
technical
concerns,
I
think
we
can
address
I,
don't
know
if
you
can
answer
that
question.
If
that
is
in
fact
a
question
that
all
see
Transpo
can
answer
I.
N
A
A
N
Can
say
mr.
chair
would
not
require
a
change
in
funding,
however,
because
the
fare
table
is
approved
in
the
budget
there
would,
if
it
were
to,
if
we
were
to
find
it
possible,
we
wouldn't
need
to
change
the
words
in
the
fare
table,
so
it
would
not
be
a
funding
issue,
but
it
would
be
a
policy
change
which
is
embedded
in
the
fare
table.
However,
I
will
say:
I
do
not
know
how
long
it
will
take
to
get
there,
so
it
might
not
be
in
in
the
current
calendar
year
in
the
2020
calendar
year.
Thank.
A
I
Microphone,
thank
you.
Thank
You.
Mr.
chairman,
the
Federation
of
citizens,
associations
is
an
umbrella
group
composed
of
53
community
associations
across
Ottawa
I'm
joined
by
Brian
Ouray
who's,
a
member
of
the
FCA
Transportation
Committee.
We
meet
monthly
to
discuss
issues
important
to
our
members
and
have
committees
active
on
planning
and
zoning
issues
and
on
transportation
issues.
The
crisis
at
OC,
Transpo
and
his
LRT
service
is
large,
complex
and
ongoing.
I
Already
the
transit
commission
chair
and
the
mayor
of
announced
a
7.5
million
dollar
infusion
into
the
LRT
system,
including
adding
40
buses
to
the
system,
to
relieve
the
worst
overcrowding
and
service
issues,
as
well
as
postponing
the
proposed
2.5%
fare
increase
from
January
to
March
2020.
However,
many
view
this
as
inadequate
to
ensure
service
reliability
and
restore
confidence
and
to
resolve
this
crisis.
Members
of
the
Commission
and
city
councillors
appear
ready
to
add
more
buses
and
service
on
top
of
this
and
are
searching
for
dollars
to
fund
this
amounts
unknown
from
sources
unknown.
I
In
light
of
this
difficult
situation,
the
FCA
proposes
of
the
transit,
Commission
and
City
Council
follow
some
principles
in
seeking
funds
to
fix
the
LRT
system.
Number
one
the
LRT
transit
service
is
in
crisis.
More
funding
should
be
applied
to
help
to
fix
it,
as
the
LRT
transit
service
has
replaced.
A
transit
system
is
efficient.
Operation
is
crucial
to
the
functioning
of
the
city
number
two.
The
funding
for
these
corrective
services
should
not
be
taken
from
other
city
services,
not
from
garbage
pickup,
not
from
public
health,
not
from
road
repairs
and
I
can
list.
I
Other
services
transit,
as
you
know,
is
funded
through
the
transit
property
tax
levy
and
transit
fares.
Given
the
effect
of
the
LRT
transit
crisis
on
transit
users,
we
do
not
support
funding
these
corrective
measures
through
raising
fares,
while
supporting
using
additional
taxes,
the
transit
property
tax
levy
to
fund
this
corrective
measure.
These
corrective
measures
we
are
not
advocating
a
blank
check,
but
a
limited
temporary
transit
property
tax
increase.
I
We
are
aware
that
a
one
percent
overall
increase
in
the
city's
property
tax,
as
generates
approximately
twenty
five
million
dollars
and
a
cost
of
about
thirty
six
dollars
per
average
residential
property
and
recommend
that
the
cost
of
corrective
measures
for
LRT
not
exceed
this
and
may
even
be
less.
What
we're
proposing
here
is
a
ceiling
on
funding.
These
LRT
fix
we're
also
recommending
the
following
the
successful
implementation
of
these
corrective
measures.
I
The
LRT
service
should
be
reassessed
to
determine
if
this
tax
increase,
if
there
is
a
tax
increase,
should
remain
in
place
or
be
scaled
back
in
a
subsequent
budget.
We
believe
that
funding
the
fix
to
LRT
is
worth
it
even
the
crucial
role
rapid
transit
plays
in
our
city,
but
not
in
any
cost.
We
hope
that
these
principles
will
guide
you
in
your
recommendations
of
City
Council.
Thank
you.
Mr.
chairman.
Thank.
A
I
Mr.
chairman,
the
City
Council,
it
will
determine
the
tax
levy
for
all
the
other
services.
We're
here
to
talk
about
the
Ehlert,
the
amount
of
money
that's
needed
to
fix
the
LRT.
We
are
proposing
a
ceiling
on
that
we
recognize
there
should
come
from
some
source.
We
believe
it
should
come
from
taxes.
We
don't
know.
C
Mr.
Cullen
taxpayers
pay
four
to
five
million
dollars
a
month
to
RTM
to
maintain
the
lion,
and
that
would
include
technical
issues
with
the
line
so
we're
already
paying
for
that
service.
We
heard
today,
through
a
line
of
questioning
I,
think
was
councillor
flurry
who,
when
asked
about
the
Lisa
McLeod's
offer
money,
is
not
the
solution
to
this
problem.
So
what
would
additional
money
do
to
fix
the
mess?
What
is
not
being
addressed
now
through
proper
funding?
That
would
be
addressed
with
proper
funding?
Yes,.
I
So
we're
not
necessarily
saying
that
spend
twenty
five
million
dollars,
we're
saying
that
if
it
is
the
opinion
of
this
council
that
to
make
LRT
work
efficiently,
it's
going
to
cost
more
money.
These
are
the
principles
you
should
follow.
I
recognize
that
there's
monies
being
withheld
from
RT
M
and
RT
g
and
some
of
those
funds
are
going
into
some
of
the
corrective
measures
we've
already
had
that
the
mayor
and
the
chair
announced
7.5
extra
million
dollars,
plus
the
fare
freeze.
I
We
believe
that
you
may
need
to
spend
more
to
restore
the
confidence,
provide
the
reliability
of
service
that
people
expect
and
if
you
are
going
to
do
that,
these
are
the
principles
to
follow.
If
it
turns
out
at
the
end
of
the
day,
you
don't
need
it
that's
great,
but
right
now,
I,
don't
think
you
can
convince
the
public
that
more
not
ought
not
to
be
done
than
already
done
so
far.
I
think
the
public
is
expecting
that
the
system
be
fixed,
the
service
be
made
reliable
and
these
are
the
principles
to
follow.
A
You
very
much
for
your
presentation.
Hugh
next
up,
we
have
Sally
Thomas,
followed
by
Trevor
hashe
and
maybe,
while
we're
changing
over
seats,
if
I
could
ask
a
question
of
the
treasurer
following
that
suggestion
of
a
25
million
dollar
cap
on
additional
transit
funds
from
the
transit
levy,
what
would
that
do
to
the
transit
levy.
R
Good
evening,
it's
now
evening,
been
here
all
day:
I
have
come
to
speak
on
the
budget,
because
I
am
a
pair
of
Transpo
user
at
least
part
time.
I
do
use
OC
Transpo
and
the
LRT
I'd
like
to
congratulate
you.
The
LRT
is
better
than
I
was
expecting
so
I
have
to
give
you
a
me
a
couple
on
that
I
included
in
a
initially,
but
it's
not
bad.
R
My
issue
with
the
LRT
is
the
connections
as
everyone
else's
issue
is
people
with
disabilities.
They
have
it
arranged
so
that
their
transfer
can
drop
them
off
at
the
LRT
stations,
but
there
aren't
enough
buses
in
pair
Transpo
to
do
any
anything
really,
and
two
million
dollars
doesn't
even
begin
to
cut
it.
Furthermore,
putting
the
two
million
dollars
towards
taxis,
I
think
is
the
wrong
place.
To
put
it.
R
The
taxi
drivers
is
John
and
others
have
mentioned,
are
not
very
good
I
volunteer
at
the
hospital.
They
leave
people
behind
quite
regularly.
They
often
don't
speak
English
well
or
French
our
two
official
languages,
so
they
can't
communicate
with
the
passengers.
Anyways
I
think
our
two
million
dollars
will
be
better
spent
on
hiring
more
bus
drivers
and
or
getting
more
buses.
R
Yes,
the
taxi
taxi,
it's
a
bus
service
and
it's
a
public
transit
service
and,
frankly,
I'm
a
little
offended
that
you've,
augmented
it
with
taxi
drivers.
If
I
wanted
to
take
a
taxi,
I
would
pay
for
a
taxi.
It's
a
whole
other
experience
that
I
don't
wish
to
have,
and
that's
basically
all
I
have
to
say.
Oh
sorry,
I
do
have
more
to
say.
I
would
also
like
to
ask
why,
if
on
OC
Transpo,
there
are
two
days
for
free
days
for
seniors
or
they're,
not
two
days
for
seniors
on
pair
Transpo.
R
I
know
this,
because
I
was
on
the
bus
with
a
senior
who
told
the
driver
on
a
senior.
She
proved
it
to
him
with
ID
and
the
driver
called
dispatch
and
dispatch,
hoping
that
no,
it
doesn't
apply
to
air
transfer
users
that
would
solve
some
of
the
problem
on
OC
transfer,
because
people
that
can
use
the
seniors
that
can
use
OC,
Transpo
use
OC
transfer
on
those
days
because
it's
free
and
I
would
to
like.
It
makes
sense.
A
N
A
J
A
A
Well,
publicize
it
when
we
can
get
some
answers
on
that.
Look,
I'd
like
to
get
some
background
on
how
the
decision
was
made
not
to
add
pear
into
that,
and
then
maybe
we
can
share
it
and
is
there
a
way
to
do
it
in
the
future?
It
may
not
be
possible,
so
I
got
to
get
a
little
more
info.
Okay,
but
I
promise
to
make
it
public.
Thank.
G
So
what
our
specific
requests
are
to
bring
more
equity
to
the
fare
structure,
many
of
you
would
have
received
emails
about
and
certainly
want
to
thank
the
leadership
of
the
mayor's
office,
because
I
believe
he
worked
with
staff
to
come
forward
with
a
draft
budget
that
included
a
fare
freeze
for
the
access
pass
and
the
community
pass
and
the
equi
passes.
That's
that's
good,
but
there
are
other
things
that
need
to
be
addressed,
and
so
I
would
urge
the
city
to
rigorously
apply
its
equity
and
inclusion
lens
to
the
fare
structure.
G
Right
now,
I
think
there
are
some
areas
in
need
of
improvement.
Specifically
if
you
work
a
minimum
wage
job,
you
are
not
allowed.
Basically,
your
your
income
means
that
you're
not
eligible
for
the
equi
pass
and
that's
not
right.
So
in
Toronto,
the
the
low
income
cutoff
line
that
they've
used
is
15%
above
what
Ottawa's
is
using.
So
I
had
urged
the
city
to
reconsider
the
cutoff
line
for
equi
pass
eligibility
and
to
consider
increasing
it
by
15%.
G
G
So
I
would
urge
you
to
apply
that
same
rationale
to
people
living
on
low
income.
So
right
now,
if
you
live
on
a
low
income,
you
don't
get
any
free
days
of
transit
service
that
needs
to
change
and
I
would
urge
that
change
to
occur
within
this
budget.
I'd
also
urged
the
city
to
learn
from
the
city
of
calgary,
which
has
implemented
a
sliding
scale
for
transit
fares,
meaning
if
you
make
less
than
twelve
thousand
dollars
a
year
in
calgary,
you
can
get
a
monthly
bus
pass.
G
Therefore,
less
than
six
dollars
a
month,
the
more
you
earn
in
terms
of
your
annual
income,
the
more
you
pay,
so
what
they
have
essentially
is
a
progressive
user
fee
for
their
public
transit
system.
Just
like
we
have
progressive
taxation,
so
those
are
the
improvements
that
I'm
requesting
and
I'd
love
to
encourage
political
leadership
to
make
these
things
a
reality.
Thank
you.
Thank.
A
You
mr.
Hoshi
I,
just
want
to
point
one
thing
out
about
your
presentation.
In
there
you
included
a
picture
of
a
private
citizen
and
made
a
suggestion
that
they
were
riding
transit
for
free.
You
used
a
picture
of
someone
that
I've
known
for
40
years,
I
believe
councillor
suds
has
a
long
history
with
that
person
and
I've,
never
known
them
to
do
something
like
that.
So
I
don't
know
what
you
base
that
claim
on
I'm
sure
they'll.
G
C
I
did
mr.
chair
Thank
You
mr.
Haas
Shea,
for
your
presentation.
If
I
recall
correctly
a
year
ago
from
your
testimony,
you
said
that
the
organizations
you're
involved
with
with
transit
were
not
consulted
on
the
addition
of
the
sunday
free
day
we
had
Wednesday's
for
seniors,
and
then
the
mayor
made
a
campaign
promise
to
add
Sundays
and
I
just
want
to
confirm.
That's
the
case
that
you
don't
recall
any
consultation,
whether
it
be
from
OC,
Transpo
or
the
mayor
to
add
a
second
day.
Is
that
correct.
G
E
F
Thank
You
mr.
vice
chair
and
and
I'd
actually
like
to
start
by
thinking
a
thanking
the
the
chair
and
the
mayor
for
the
motion.
They
passed
last
June
to
have
OC
Transpo
running
an
electric
bus
pilot
project,
so
six
million
dollars
was
allocated
to
that
and
we're
looking
forward
to
councillor
Brockington
past
emulsion
at
the
the
meeting
on
the
June,
19th
I
believe
to
have
a
an
open
tender
process
and
we're
looking
forward
to
seeing
that
happen.
So
the
city
and
no
seas
transfer
budgets
are
always
under
pressure.
That's
that's
not
going
to
change.
F
What
I
am
I'll
be
talking
about
today
is
is
doing
something
that
will
reduce
cost
so
earlier
there
was
a
question
of
whether
you
know
if
people
were
proposing
something
they
wanted
to
get
some
savings
somewhere
to
pay
for
it.
In
this
case,
we're
talking
about
something
that
reduces
costs.
Oh
and
that's
adopting
electric
buses.
So
if
you
recall
from
my
presentation
in
June,
there's
really
three
and
I
want
to
remind
you.
There's
really
three
reasons
why
we
would
want
the
city
to
adopt
electric
buses.
F
Three
main
reasons:
anyways
the
first
one
is
that
we
estimate
that
the
DeRosa's
transport
could
save
about
fifty
thousand
dollars
per
year
per
bus
on
operational
cost.
That's
a
combination
of
savings
of
maintenance
and
mostly
savings
with
fuel.
So
that's
a
significant
amount
of
money
that
could
be
recouped
if
we
assume
a
thousand
buses
just
to
have
a
round
number.
That's
50
million
dollars
per
year.
There
could
be
reinvested
in
things
like
pair
Transpo.
Better
serve
is
reducing
fares
or
a
bunch
of
other
things.
That
would
be
great
for
the
the
ridership.
F
So
the
second
reason
is:
electric
buses
are
cleaner
and
healthier
they're
better
for
the
operators,
because
they
don't
speak
out
diesel
fumes
and
also
were
in
a
climate
emergency.
An
OC
Transpo
actually
produces
45%
of
the
GHG
emissions
from
the
city's
operation.
So
earlier
had
a
question
about
gee
other
GC
emissions.
If
you
want
to
ask
that
question,
you
cannot
be
happy
to
answer
that
later.
So
what
we're
saying
is
the
city.
F
If
the
city,
you
know
the
city
has
declared
a
climate
emergency,
so
one
of
the
things
the
city
could
do
to
essentially
reduce
just
by
one
decision,
reduce
the
greenhouse
gas
is
that
the
city
operations
emit
by
45%
that's
going
to
electric
buses,
and
that
could
be
done
within
the
next
twelve
to
fifteen
years,
and
also
we
are
expecting
that
the
FEL
government
will
announce
it
by
2023.
They
will
no
longer
fund
transit
projects
that
are
not
zero
mission,
so
that
will
become
an
issue
very
shortly
in
the
future.
F
F
Now
the
the
the
motion
that
the
the
chair
and
the
mayor,
the
motion
that
the
chair
and
the
mayor
passed
at
full
council
instructed
OC
Transpo
to
look
for
money
in
other
levels
of
government.
We
haven't
seen
evidence
of
that
at
this
point,
but
we
would
encourage
him
to
do
that
if
Rampton
could
get
an
extra
11
million
dollars
on
top
of
the
5
million
they
came
up
with.
That
means
the
City
of
Ottawa
would
be
able
to
probably
have
16
or
more
million
dollars
to
start
the
pilot
project.
F
That
would
make
it
a
much
more
effective
project,
the
city
of
kingston,
another
example.
I
mentioned
it
briefly
earlier
one
minute
left.
Thank
you
so
measure
it
briefly
earlier.
They're
buying
two
long-range
electric
buses
and
they
are
spending
a
total
of
2.7
million
dollars
for
the
project.
They've
got
numbers
on
the
web.
If
you're
interested
federal
government
is
providing
a
million
of
that
and
there's
other
funding
from
the
continued
association,
miss
valleys,
I
believe
or
something
of
that
sort.
F
So
Kingston
is
putting
only
a
small
portions
of
money
in
there
they
will
read
the
benefits
of
the
operational
savings
which
they
will
be
able
to
reinvest.
So
essentially,
what
I'm
saying
is
that
there
is
a
possibility
for
the
city
to
do
what's
right
for
the
planet
and
whether
you
believe
in
carbon,
greenhouse
gas
and
climate
change,
and
all
these
things
or
not,
it's
possible
to
do
something.
That's
good
for
the
planet,
but
save
money
at
the
same
time.
So
I
would
urge
the
Commission
and
council
to
commit
to
a
strong
thank.
F
A
Okay,
mr.
Gardner,
oh
sorry,
I,
don't
see
any
questions
for
delegation
so
we'll
move
on
to
miss
Gardner.
Thank
you
and
that's
our
last
delegation
of
the
day,
folks
so
we'll.
If
once
she's
done
we'll
we'll
go
to
questions
for
staff.
If
the
screen
lights
up,
I
think
it
wouldn't
hurt
to
take
another
short
break
before
we
get
into
the
questions
of
staff.
If
there's
a
lot
of
names
on
there,
okay,
so
go
ahead.
Miss
Gardner!
Thank
you
for
waiting,
I.
M
Hope
to
get
here
early
this
morning
for
the
online
booking,
but
my
first
dosti
transfer
bus
didn't
make
it
so.
I
was
about
an
hour
and
a
half
late.
Getting
here,
I'd
like
to
talk
about
how
the
online
booking
is
going
to
happen
with
budgeting
I
have
a
concern
if
I
get,
if
I
do
online
booking
and
I'm
supposed
to
wait
for
an
email
to
come
back
from
to
me
to
confirm
my
booking.
M
N
For
the
stage-two
solution,
the
ultimate
solution
with
the
full-on
online
suite
the
customers
will
have
will
see
the
availability
and,
if
their
times
not
available,
that
would
choose
other
times
or
other
other
options
they
might
have,
or
at
least
test
other
options
for
the
the
interim
web
form.
We
will
look
at
how
to
structure
it
if
we
can
structure
it
in
a
way
that
asks
people
for
the
first.
Second
third:
choice:
we'll
try
to
go
over
the
first
and
I'd
offer
alternatives.
N
M
A
M
There's
other
issues
with
parrot
ASBO
on
October
31st.
There
were
a
number
of
power
transport
drivers
that
retired
but
I,
don't
know
how
many
people
know
that
they
were
paid
ten
thousand
dollars
up
to
ten
thousand
dollars
each
to
retire
and
I
have
to
wonder
where
that
is
in
the
budget
and
why
they
were
allowed
to
retire.
When
we
already
are
shorted
by
bus
drivers,
these
drivers
were
already
working
overtime.
Most
of
the
drivers
that
I
have
on
para.
A
Okay,
thank
you.
We've
we've
already
announced
that
we're
doing
that
we're
looking
at
reaching
out
with
retired
drivers,
I,
don't
know
anything
about
those
bonuses,
things
but
look
into
the
clerk's
office
here,
I,
don't
think
we
can
even
get
into
that
discussion.
There's
privacy
concerns
around
that
or
mr.
Mahoney.
Is
there
some
way
you
can
answer
that
without
going
over
a
line
if
you're
in
ER,
if
you're
able.
H
Mr.
chair
I
believe
the
the
delegate
is
speaking
about
the
substitution
program,
which
is
all
spelled
out
and
in
HR
policies
and
rules
that
we
have
a
collective
agreement,
but
just
to
put
everyone
at
ease.
There
is
a
integrated,
citywide
team,
doing
a
massive
recruitment.
We
actually
had
to
book
a
Tom
Brown
arena
for
the
screening
process
and
everything
else
to
get
conventional
operators
and
para
Transpo
operators,
so
we're
on
it.
Thank.
M
You
we're
also
hearing
about
OC
Transpo.
They
get
new
buses
every
so
many
years
with
para
chasuble.
We
tend
to
get
them
all
at
once
and
I'm
wondering
because
some
of
the
broad
bus
are
off
the
road
for
accidents
and
vice
the
other
reasons
is
any
reason
why
we
can't
put
it
in
the
budget.
There's
so
many
new
pair
that
power
testable
buses
recruited
every
year
or
bought
every
year
regards
to
power
tests
for
hours.
I
know
that
people
talked
to
Kyle
earlier
about
hours
in
the
evening.
M
I
would
like
to
see
later
buses
I
know
for
myself,
I'm
out
late
at
night,
I'm,
not
young,
like
Kyle,
but
I've,
been
known
to
take
the
road
from
Bay
Shore
to
Bell's
corners
at
one
o'clock
and
2
o'clock
in
the
morning,
because
there
are
no
buses
left
presto.
We
need
to
have
presto
on
the
on
the
power
transfer
buses,
because
I
can
go
on
a
bus
route.
I
can
get
picked
up
at
one
spot
and
there's
seven
of
us
to
get
on
at
that
one
spot
and
all
of
us
have
parrot
presto.
M
M
We
cannot
access
the
Moody
station
that
cost
I,
don't
know
how
much
it
costs,
but
we're
just
down
the
street
from
moody
straight
station,
but
if
the
57
fells
corners,
who
has
to
come
through
Bell's
corners
and
go
down
to
Moody,
Station
back
to
Bay,
Shore
and
start
over,
it
would
help
a
lot
of
us
because
right
now
we're
having
to
go
all
the
way
through
belts,
corners
and
all
the
milk
run,
but
I'm
just
wondering
whether
that
might
save
money
and
increase
ridership
if
we
have
access
to
better
service.
Thank
you
thank.
A
A
C
Mr.
chair,
just
on
the
issue
of
the
floating
day
that
people
can
take
instead
of
a
Wednesday
or
Sunday,
and
that
there
were
some
discussion
with
staff
that
they
look
into
it,
it's
my
understanding
that
this
Commission
took
a
decision
on
this
matter.
A
year
ago.
We
soundly
rejected
that
notion
and
have
we
based
on
that
decision,
basically
said
for
this
term
of
Council
that
we're
not
revisiting
the
item
similar
to
when
it
when
the
City
Council
makes
a
decision.
C
You
cannot
revisit
the
same
issue
within
the
term
of
council,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
we're
not
going
down
a
procedural
quagmire,
because
we've
already
voted
on
this.
We
rejected
that
notion
a
year
ago.
So
that's
not
part
of
my
budget
debate,
but
but
no
it's
a
point
of
work.
Yeah
and
I
see
my
name's
come
off
the
screen
for
some
reason,
we'll.
A
A
A
C
Okay,
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
the
biggest
issue
in
my
ward
is
bus.
Reliability,
we've
had
legacy
bus,
reliability
issues
for
years
well
before
LRT,
further
exasperated
when
LRT
came
on
the
40
bus
routes,
I'm
still
confused,
are
we
adding
40
buses
to
provide
immediate
service
or
some
of
those
40
buses
or
all
of
them
being
held
back
so
that
when
there
is
a
problem
on
a
particular
day,
they
are
then
put
into
service?
C
H
C
H
Given
you
the
specifics
on
the
memo
last
week,
we're
gonna
take
all
that,
and
my
you
know,
subject
to
any
tweaking
will
codify
that
into
the
January
schedule.
So
the
40
that
are
out
there
that
are
fixing
the
gaps
and
the
issues
and
the
overcrowding
will
be
codified
and
be
part
of
the
January
rollover.
But.
C
I
know
I
know
that
the
routes
in
my
ward
that
are
going
to
be
receiving
enhancements.
You
gave
it
as
part
of
your
memo,
but
I
can't
share
with
my
community
and
I
can't
vote
on
a
budget
for
2020.
If
I
don't
know
whether
the
routes
in
my
ward
are
being
sort
of
withheld
in
case
of
emergency
or
whether
you're
actually
putting
additional
bus
service
to
the
routes.
N
So
mr.
chair
the
we
have,
we
have,
we
maintain
a
list
which
we
modify
from
time
to
time
of
exactly
where
the
buses
are
assigned
either
to
standby
or
to
operate.
A
supplementary
trip.
Counselor
Brockington
asked
earlier
on
a
different
item
for
a
list
of
where
those
are
assigned
in
his
ward
and
I
undertook
to
provide
that
so
I
will.
N
If
the
counselor
wants
that
information
today,
I
can
go
over
with
him
in
a
quiet
corner
before
the
vote,
perhaps
to
show
him
where
those
buses
are
being
assigned
today
and
where
now
that's
where
they
are
assigned
today,
where
they
are
assigned
next
week
and
the
week
after
will
depend
on
feedback
that
we're
getting
from
our
operators
from
our
customers
and
from
our
operating
data
and
I
can
also
confirm
that
we
are
working
on
the
schedules
for
the
January
period.
These
same
routes
are
the
because
they
were
identified
as
the
highest
priority
by
councillors.
N
They
remain
the
highest
priority
for
us
to
find
solutions
on
the
January
solutions
will
be
more
robust
because
they'll
be
more
baked
into
the
schedule
than
the
current
assignments,
which
in
some
cases,
are
more
of
a
specific
mandate
at
a
time,
rather
than
more
running
time
over
a
route
or
longer
recovery.
Time.
C
2019
budget
5.1
million
in
route
enhancements
I
spread
that
out
to
my
community
far
and
wide,
and
then
when
the
LRT
transition
came.
In
fact,
we
actually
saw
route
reductions,
service
reductions
in
my
ward,
and
that
was
the
main
issue
for
me-
is
because
I
basically
told
people
the
exact
opposite.
What
reality
was?
Yes,
there
were
some
tweaks
to
some
routes,
but
that
was
far
outweighed
by
the
service
reductions
in
a
whole
number
of
routes
that
I
saw
and
so
as
I'm
trying
to
determine
whether
or
not
to
support
this
budget
or
not.
C
I
need
to
ensure
that
the
number
one
priority
in
my
award
is
being
addressed.
That's
the
dilemma:
I
have
I,
can't
go
to
my
people
and
say
yeah
I
supported
the
2020
budget,
but
we
actually
have
worse
bus
service
now
Peter
and
say
why.
Why
were
you
not
advocating
for
stronger
resources?
So
mr.
scrimshaw
I
will
sit
with
you
in
a
quiet
corner.
In
a
few
minutes,
the
fare
freeze
is
funded
by
withdrawals
of
the
RTM
payments.
Is
that
correct?
C
C
E
E
C
E
C
E
C
The
issue
will
be
is
if
we
go
all
year
without
a
Farrington,
that's
correct!
Okay!
Very
well!
Can
you
just
talk
to
me
about
capital
investments
in
2020
to
make
improvements
to
our
LRT
stations?
The
questions
I
submitted
in
particular
herdmen.
I've
talked
about
the
north
facing
wall,
where
all
the
stairwells
exposed
to
the
elements
you've
talked
about
scaffolding
or
at
least
covering
at
any
station.
What
specifically
will
be
done
in
2020
to
make
improvements
in
our
LRT
stations.
H
H
We're
we're
adding
sari
issues
that
other
than
what
I've
already
itemized.
We
are
adding
the
canopy
at
tönnies
to
give
weather
protection
and
wind
protection
from
the
side.
Also,
we
are
at
herdmen
we're
widening
the
pedestrian
access
facility
and
at
at
Blair
we
need
to
figure
out
what
we
do
to
ease
some
of
the
overcrowding
and
maintain
some
level
of
protection.
Those
are
the
the
big
things
we're
doing
now,
we're
doing
signage,
some
wayfinding
things
some
minor
things,
but
in
terms
of
large
physical
changes,
those
are
the
larger
ones.
When.
C
C
Design
fabrication
installation
of
the
wall
system
will
take
several
months
to
complete
more
time
is
required
to
develop
a
cost
estimate
for
this
work.
Were
you
just
giving
me
information,
or
this
is
this
part
of
your
work
plan?
You
were
just
telling
me
how
this
would
happen
if
that
direction
was
provided.
H
C
Okay
on
the
revenue
side,
I
asked
about
why
there's
no
paid
advertising
in
train
carriages
and
within
stations,
and
you
referenced
that
that
was
a
council
decision
in
2013
that
there
would
be
no
advertising
for
the
first
five
years
of
operation.
Can
you
give
me
some
background
in
history?
Why
would
council
basically
not
agree
to
any
and
all
methods
to
raise
revenues?
30.
H
Certainly,
and
was
subsequently
changed
by
a
follow-on
motion
where
we
have
to
do
a
review
after
one
year.
The
thinking
then
was
that
we
want
did
not
want
to
flood
the
station
with
advertising
when
we
had
such
massive
changes
coming
for
our
customers.
So
we
wanted
to
use
all
of
the
available
space
which
you've
seen
the
so
the
infrastructure
is
in
place
for
advertising
at
the
stations.
H
Those
are
messaging
to
our
customers
and
I
believe
it
was
councillor
Wilkinson
at
the
time
now
we
have
to
come
back
within
I
believe
a
year
afterwards
to
give
a
review
on
the
light
rail
vehicles
themselves.
We
strongly
encourage
you
not
to
go
with
advertising
on
those
vehicles.
It's
not
just
for
the
aesthetics,
but
also
RTG
and
RTM
are
required
to
maintain
those
for
30
years.
What
happens
when
you
put
the
advertising
the
wraps
around
them
and
so
forth?
H
You
get
edging
of
the
paint
scratches
and
things
like
that,
and
we're
going
to
get
into
debates
about
maintaining
the
life
cycle
on
the
outside
of
the
vehicles.
The
advertising
is
for
the
stations
and
with
inside
the
vehicle,
so
you'll
have
another
opportunity.
We
were
required
to
bring
you
back
a
report
yeah.
C
You've
estimated
that
be
about
half
a
million
dollars
a
year
in
revenue,
so
I,
you
know
it's
nothing
to
sneeze
at
or
perhaps
we
can
revisit
that
after
today,
I'm
gonna
cut
it
there
now.
I
I
may
have
further
questions,
given
that
we're,
not
a
council
we're
a
commission
but
I
want
to
give
others
an
opportunity
to
follow
up.
Thank
you
great.
A
A
Okay,
sorry
younger
and
chain
said
on
advice
of
the
clerk's
office,
because
we've
got
this
already
populated
for
questions
to
staff.
So
if
people
don't
mind,
you
already
know
what
the
motions
are.
So
if
we
continue
on
with
the
questions,
the
staff
will
come
back
and
do
the
motions
after
that,
sorry
for
the
confusion.
Okay,
so
next
up
will
be
Commissioner,
Wright,
Gilbert,
Thank.
S
You,
mr.
chair,
so
according
to
the
staffs
response
to
Commissioner
Carrick
Otto's
inquiry
regarding
the
financial
impact
of
a
fair
free,
it's
the
amount
of
revenue
that
would
not
be
realized
with
the
January
1st
2020
proposed.
2.5
percent
increase
is
delayed
until
July
20,
I,
star
J.
First
2020
would
be
one
point:
nine
four
million
dollars
and,
if
delayed
until
January
1st
2021
would
be
four
point:
nine
five
million
dollars.
My
question
is:
is
it
possible
these
monies
from
the
reserves
to
fund
a
fare
freeze
that
is
longer
than
three
months.
E
And
I
counselor
them
our
Commissioner.
Sorry,
the
motion
that
you
have
in
front
of
you
actually
comes
forward
with
a
plan
to
a
direct
to
the
general
manager
to
look
at
having
a
fair
freeze
if
service
doesn't
improve
beyond
March
2020,
so
that'll
be
coming
back
to
the
Transit
Commission
to
discuss
your
contract
right
now
with
our
GG
allows
us
to
recover
the
cost
of
these
lost
fares
through
them.
So
if
you
extended
it,
I
would
expect
that
that
would
be
the
same
source
of
funding.
But
I
don't
know
if
that
would
hold
true.
E
S
Thank
you
under
transit
services,
operating
resources,
requirement,
explanatory
notes.
This
is
the
for
caspere's
versus
budget
variance
explanation,
so
there
it
notes
that
there's
a
shortfall
of
5.7
million
dollars
due
mainly
to
hire
pair
Transpo
costs
and
to
meet
increased
ridership
demand,
and
this
is
the
point
that
I
sort
of
wanted
it,
focusing
on
lower
than
anticipated
fare
revenue
from
customers
purchasing
lower
priced
fares.
N
Mr.
vice
chair,
the
we
have
seen
in
recent
years
and
we
are
seeing
in
the
in
the
year
2019
that
people
are
taking
advantage
of
the
discounts
that
are
available
to
them
slightly
more
aggressively
than
we
had
forecast.
So
there
might
be
more
children,
more
students,
more
seniors,
more
people
with
I
does
not
apply
to
equity,
us
or
community
pass
because
those
are
funded
from
within
city
resources.
So,
but
if
we're
carrying
more
students,
fewer
seniors,
more
seniors,
fewer
youth,
any
anyone.
N
S
Under
the
2020
pressure
category
explanation
under
customer
service
representatives
do
the
net
2020
changes
and
forecasted
FTE
impact
of
an
additional
1.2
million
for
15
FTEs
full-time
equivalents,
account
for
staff
dedicated
to
social
media
for
the
purposes
of
customer
service
responses,
as
well
as
the
service
related
alerts,
for
example,
alerts
about
train
delays.
Yes,.
H
H
N
S
Thank
you
under
project
information
and
I'll.
Just
give
the
line
item
number.
So
it's
easier
for
you.
It's
nine,
zero,
nine,
seven,
six!
Four!
This
is
station.
Customer
improvements.
It's
four
two
point:
eight
five
million
dollars
is
this:
the
amount
that
is
set
aside
for
projects
such
as
the
kind
of
canopy
at
Tunney's,
the
work
at
herdmen
and
the
and
the
possible
work
at
blair.
S
H
The
work
that
we're
doing
at
the
stations
right
now
is
just
coming
out
of
a
general
account
and
we're
tracking
it,
because
we
want
to
reconcile
it
with
all
of
the
costs
are.
Potentially
we
can
offset
with
the
non
payments
to
RT
RT
M.
This
here,
Pat
can
speak
to
those
in
terms
of
what
this
covers.
So
the
adjustments
right
now
at
those
three
stations
is
we're.
Gonna,
look
to
reconcile
that
back
to
the
non
payments
Pat.
You
can
comment
on
these
ones.
The.
N
The
that
account
is
used
or
that
account
or
ones
like
that
are
used
each
year
to
fund
a
number,
a
wide
range
of
upgrades
to
customer
facilities
at
transit,
way
and
Oh
train
stations.
Both
OH
train
lines
are
also
sometimes
as
facilities
out
on
the
street
that
allow
operations-
it's
usually
not
bus
bays,
but
sometimes
it's
a
bus,
loop
or
or
an
operational
facility
somewhere.
Usually
it's
to
deal
with
items
that
are
identified
during
the
budget
here.
S
S
You're
right,
thank
you
on
line
item
nine
zero,
six,
one,
six,
nine,
which
is
the
O
LRT
transition.
This
project
is
already
twelve
point.
Four
one:
eight
million
dollars
over
the
budgeted
amount
of
one
hundred
nine
point:
nine
million
dollars
with
an
additional
twenty
one
thousand
dollars
in
contractual
obligations.
Is
this
overage
of
one
hundred
and
nine
million
dollars
directly
related
to
the
delay
in
the
launch
of
the
LRT
line?
One?
And
if
so,
will
this
amount
be
charged
back
to
RTG.
H
E
So,
first
of
all,
this
is
unfortunately
because
the
time
pressure
we're
on
to
produce
these
books.
This
is
an
August
number,
so
that
amount
has
actually
changed
and
what
we've
got
charged
against
it
now
is,
if
you
remember,
when
we
paid
our
TG
for
the
construction,
we
withheld
mobility
matters,
payment
of
roughly
thirty
four
million
dollars,
and
that
goes
against
this
account.
So.
S
E
The
withheld
funds
from
the
from
the
maintenance
can
be
used
for
whatever
council
or
the
Commission
decides
they
want
to
use
for.
They
fall
to
the
bottom
line
in
2019,
because
mr.
man
Kony
has
a
budget
for
that
expenditure
and
it
won't
happen.
So
what
will
happen
in
2019?
Is
those
that
surplus
will
end
up
going
into
your
transit
operating
reserve,
but
in
2020
he
again
we
have
built
into
the
budget
those
payments.
If
those
payments
do
not
happen,
then
again,
this
commission
and
council
has
the
choice
to
direct
mr.
D
H
Well,
you
could
always
use
more,
but
again,
I,
don't
think
we
have
a
funding
issue
right
now.
I
think
what
we're
trying
to
do
is
get
the
consistency
on
the
on
on
the
train
system.
We've
done
the
40
plus
the
20
plus
the
19,
so
the
best
professional
advice
we
have
for
you
right
now
is.
We
think.
That's
that's
enough,
but
mr.
Cooney.
D
It
seems
to
be
between,
or
choices
seem
to
be
or
to
me
anyway.
I
would
like
to
improve
service
for
Ottawa
transit
users,
I'm,
not
sure
a
fare
freeze
actually
improve
service
at
all.
It
gives
people
something
it
gives
them
a
little
something
every
day,
but
it
doesn't
actually
put
another
bus
on
the
road
and
what
I
wonder
is
is
that
money,
perhaps
perhaps
better
spent
trying
to
improve
service
by
getting
more
capacity
on
the
road.
E
Commissioner,
I
would
caution
you
because
you're
dealing
with
the
2020
budget,
we
know
we're
making
deductions
in
there
2019
payments.
If
service
improves
to
the
point
where
they're
meeting
the
standard,
we
won't
be
making
those
deductions
so
to
say
that
we're
going
to
commit
that
money
to
something
else
in
2020,
when
we
have
a
contractual
obligation
that
we
may
have
to
pay
them,
you
run
the
risk
that
you're
gonna
spend
it
twice.
I
understand.
D
That
and
I
don't
want
to
spend
it
twice
and
that's
why
I
said
to
mr.
Mahoney:
could
you
effectively
use
that,
knowing
that
it's
not
a
guaranteed
source
of
funds
in
the
future,
could
you
use
in
fact,
the
money
that
is
there
now,
that
is
being
potentially
earmarked
for
the
fare
freeze?
Could
that
be
used
effectively
to
augment
service.
E
I'm
just
gonna
sorry
I,
have
to
add
some
clarity
that
we
are
not
using
the
deduction
money
for
the
fare
freeze.
We
are
using
the
provisions
within
the
contract
that
we
have
with
RTG.
There
are
financial
and
performance
penalties
in
there.
That
is
what
we
will
use
for.
The
fare
freeze,
the
deductions
that
we're
taking
right
now,
mr.
Mann
Coney,
is
using
for
the
40
buses
that
he's
put
on
the
sir
on
right
now
with
the
extension
of
all
of
the
changes
he's
making
in
the
stations.
So
the
money
is
not
sitting
there.
E
D
I
apologize
but
I'm
reading
the
motion
then
incorrectly
because
it
says
the
anticipated
revenue
reduction,
fair
revenue,
reduction
of
nine
hundred
eighty
thousand
to
be
funded
from
the
anticipated
funds
from
the
financial
and
performs
provisions.
So
those
funds,
those
nine
hundred
and
eighty
thousand
dollars
which
are
potentially
to
be
used
for
the
fair
freeze,
could
be
could
be
doubt.
It
will
pass
this
group
but
could
be
used
to
augment
service
even
on
a
short-term
basis.
But
what
the
question
to
mr.
H
D
E
Should
actually
clarify
that
it
should
it's
say
that
it's
from
the
financial
and
performance
provisions
in
the
project
agreement
applied
in
2020,
so
the
money
isn't
there
right
now
the
money?
That's
there
is
the
deductions
which
mr.
Mann
Coney
is
using
to
do
everything
he's
doing
to
increase
the
reliability
going
into
2020.
We
are
anticipating
using
other
provisions
within
the
contract.
We
will
be
able
to
recover
that
980
thousand.
We
don't
have
that
in
hand
at
this
moment.
Okay,.
D
J
E
Decision
was
made
at
by
the
chair
and
the
mayor
as
they
to
put
forward
a
three-month,
that's
what
we
were
asked
for
if,
in
fact,
service
performance
is
not
achieved,
the
general
manager
has
been
directed
to
come
forward
to
extend
it
just
like
we
did
this
year
when
the
Train
wasn't
in
operation
and
at
that
time,
if
it
is
the
service,
the
performance
is
not
where
it
needs
to
be.
Then
again,
you
would
be
able
to
recover
that
through
the
financial
and
performance
provisions
of
the
project
agreement.
J
E
So
with
this
direction,
you
are
going
to
put
this
into
place,
January
first
so
to
April
first,
so
they
would
have
to
come
back.
Mr.
Mann
Coney
would
have
to
come
back
and
ask
you
if
you
wanted
to
change
that,
if
performance
was
where
you
wanted
it
to
be,
but
with
this
direction
it's
in
for
three
months
period,
so.
J
What's
stopping
us
from
putting
it
in
for
12
months
and
then,
if
service
improves
to
the
point
where
we're
happy
with
it,
you
can
come
back
to
us
in
four
months
six
months,
nine
months,
I!
Just
wonder
why
we
wouldn't
extend
that
to
our
riders
some
assurance
that
we
are
going
to
ensure
that
they're
paying
that
they're
going
to
continue
to
get
the
fare
freeze,
because
today
service
is
not
where
we
want
it
to
be.
H
J
N
J
J
N
J
Chair
I
would
like
to
give
direction
to
staff.
It
is
a
political
decision,
it's
not
a
decision
based
on
any
need,
and
it's
one
that
we
have
to
as
a
commission
and
as
a
council
decide
what
we're
comfortable
with
and
so.
I
would
like
to
give
a
direction
to
staff
for
council
to
come
back
and
give
us
the
what
the
cost
differential
would
be.
J
An
operating
cost
to
offer
days
of
no
cost
transit
to
individuals
living
below
the
poverty
line
similar
to
equi
pass
and
how
that
compares
to
seniors
and
what
what
the
difference
would
be
if
we
just
added
it
on
or
if
we
remove,
seniors
and
and
made
that
to
day
of
no
cost
to
people.
Is
that
an
OK
direction.
I
trust.
A
You've
you're
writing
that
down
for
our
friends
on
the
clerk
yeah.
N
N
Would
the
question
be
what
would
be
the
cost
to
give
two
days
of
free
travel
for
people
who
are
currently
eques
past
registrants,
because
that
is
a
number
we
have
or
a
projection
of
how
many
people
are
low-income,
but
have
not
yet
applied
for
a
neck?
We
pass,
because
that
would
be
much
harder
number
for
us
to
ask
to.
J
J
E
So
that
is
the
inflation
on
the
maintenance
for
the
year
2020.
If
you
remember,
when
we
entered
into
the
contract
way
back
when
in
2012,
it
was
Sept
that
they
were
going
to
receive
so
much
for
maintenance
payments,
and
it
was
actually
supposed
to
start
in
2018.
So
we
had
that
built
into
the
budget.
We
now
have
to
add
on
inflation,
because
that
is
part
of
the
contract.
J
J
J
J
D
A
B
E
So
you
basically
have
you're
taking
out
five
million.
If
you
don't
do
the
fare
increase
in
2020
in
the
next
year
that
it's
yours
missing,
that
five
million
again
plus
you,
your
fare
increase
of
you-
would
have
had
a
two
and
a
half
percent
on
that
five
million.
So
it's
actually
a
little
bit
more
than
five
million,
and
it
that
goes
on
for
30
years,
so
the
compounding
effect
of
having
that
taken
out
of
your
base
in
your
very
first
year.
B
Okay,
thanks
questions
about
para
Transpo.
Now,
back
in
the
spring,
we
talked
about
reducing
the
amount
of
time
users
of
the
system
have
to
wait
on
the
phone
and
I
believe
Pat,
you
let
us
know
you
were
in
the
process
of
hiring
customer
service
representatives
to
to
reduce
that
time,
and
so
I
was
just
looking
for
an
update
on
how
many
you've
hired
and
are
you
at
capacity
now
how.
N
We
continue
to
hire.
We
also
continue
to
have
attrition.
We
are
keeping
up,
we
are
making
some
profit
we're
not
keeping
up.
We
are
making
some
progress,
but
as
people
leave
for
other
work,
we
are
required
to
hire
for
their
replacements
as
well.
We
are
doing
better
than
we
were,
but
we
are
not
at
full
strength.
So.
B
D
H
They
had
elevated
lifts,
they
didn't
have
the
suspensions
they
wanted.
So
part
of
the
many
decisions
that
were
made
were
to
accelerate
the
acquisition
of
those
vehicles.
Unfortunately,
that
led
to
the
entire
fleet
needing
to
be
replaced
in
the
perfect
world.
We'd
be
staggering.
That
replacement
like
we
do
with
the
bus
fleet,
mr.
Greer,
looking
into
that
possibility
there
on
seven-year
lifecycle
and
that
meets
the
affordability,
but
also
we
believe,
that's
the
right
churn
for
those
vehicles.
N
B
B
N
Mr.
chair,
such
as
described
here
for
continuing
maintenance
and
upgrades
to
the
suite
of
software
used
for
workforce
management,
customer
bookings
dispatched
timekeeping.
It
allows
this
is
money
that
will,
as
required,
allow
us
to
move
from
version
to
version
as
that
software
continues
to
upgrade
it.
So
it
would
likely
be
used
for
not
the
implementation
for
online
booking,
but
for
a
future
version.
Upgrade
of
that
as
we
go
from
version
2018
or
2017
up
to
version
2019
or
20.
Whatever
is
current
at
the
time
and.
N
B
Okay
and
more
on
the
online
service,
can
you
confirm
that
the
additional
operating
costs
associated
with
the
implementation
of
the
online
service
will
be
identified
as
a
budget
pressure
in
2021
operating
budget
and
encourage
the
transit
commission
council
to
court
for
adequately
funding
this
important
service
to
Ottawa
citizens?
Mr.
A
B
B
H
D
N
Mr.
chair
there
we
do
not
have
a
means
to
calculate
there
could
be
a
cost,
there
could
be
a
revenue
increase
or
it
could
be
cost
neutral.
It
is
uncharted
territory
for
us.
If
there
were
a
cost,
it
would
be
from
people
who
are
currently
traveling
together
at
the
same
time,
on
those
days
and
paying
two
separate
fares.
If
there
is
a
revenue
increase,
it
would
be
from
new
groups,
new
family
groups,
traveling
on
transit
who
are
not
making
those
trips
today
and
if
it's
neutral,
it
would
be
a
balance
of
those
two.
D
Okay,
so
it's
a
little
difficult
to
vote
on
something
without
any
kind
of
cost
yeah.
The
other
thing
that
just
have
note-
and
it's
just
a
friendly
amendment
it
might
be
captured
in
there
is
related
to
you-
mentioned
March
Break
in
your
periods,
I
wrestle
with
this
all
the
time
with
the
French
boards
and
the
English
boards.
They
have
very
dramatic
different
dates
and
I.
Don't
know
how
you
would
qualify
who's,
who,
in
that
group,
so
I
guess
that
would
have
to
be
just
another
consideration
in
this
evaluation.
N
T
You
mr.
chair
I
wanted
to
just
approach
this
question
of.
Is
there
enough
money
in
the
budget
to
provide
the
reliability
and
level
of
service
were
expecting
I
want
to
approach
it
from
a
different
angle?
Undoubtedly,
if
we're
adding
40
buses
plus
90
new
buses,
the
service
will
improve
I'm,
really
trying
to
make
sure
we
can
set
the
right
expectations
for
riders
as
to
what
that
means.
T
There's
a
number
of
measurements
or
policy
that
OC
Transpo
has
that
this
commission
and
council
has
set
over
the
years
around
the
number
of
trips
provided
around
expansion
into
new
residential
areas,
around
frequency
of
route,
depending
on
time
of
day
and
and
and
so
on.
The
one
that's
easy
to
find
on
the
website
is
is
having
buses
no
more
than
five
minutes
late
90%
of
the
time
and
there's
even
some
policy
around
planning
for
standing
room
on
buses
during
peak
times
versus
non
peak.
T
H
My
response
to
that
chair-
and
it
is
ephant-
it
is
a
very
good
question-
is
we're
not
sure,
and
the
reason
we're
not
sure
is.
This
is
a
massive
change
to
your
entire
system
and
and
I'm
glad
you
brought
up
all
those
policies
because,
as
you've
heard,
some
of
the
speakers
and
Pat
touch
on
them.
Those
policies
drive
service
levels,
farebox
ratio,
recovery,
you
know
my
line,
is
it
theoretically?
It's
never
enough.
You
could
always
use
more
to
make
it
better
for
everybody.
H
There
will
always
be
some
people
that
are
not
satisfied
when
you
have
policies
that
that
that
restrict
you
in
in
a
bottomless
pit,
because
you
know
the
reason
if
you
go
back
many
many
many
years
ago,
your
farebox
ratio
was
was
going
down.
It
was
you
were
subsidizing
transit
every
year
over
a
year
over
a
year
that
led
to
high
fare,
increases
seven
percents.
Those
types
of
things
I
was
to
catch
up
on
the
fare
box.
Recovery
I
think
we
need
to
be
careful
about
getting
through
this
difficult
transition
in
the
perfect
world.
H
H
That's
because
you
have
a
policy
on
in
that
regard
and-
and
there
was
discussion
healthy
discussion
about
you-
want
your
buses
to
be
full,
because
that's
how
you
recover
as
much
as
you
can
Council
can
always
open
up
those
policy.
Discussion,
points
down
the
road
and
look
at
fare
box
ratios.
This
is
a
difficult
year
on
many
many
fronts
for
us
and
I
wish
I
had
that
beautiful
crystal
ball.
To
tell
you,
we
are
gonna,
make
everybody
happy
and
it's
gonna
work
perfectly
and
I
know.
That's
not
what
you're
suggesting
I
just
I.
H
Don't
have
that
in
front
of
me.
I
wish
we
would
have
had
better
rail
service,
so
we
didn't
have
the
amount
of
disruptions
we
had
right
now
and
our
goal,
as
I've
said
in
my
opening
comments,
is
to
make
it
as
best
we
can
for
our
customers
and
get
some
of
the
burden
off
your
shoulders
because
you're
getting
inundated
with
the
calls
and
the
complaints.
So
I
don't
know
if
that
answers
your
question,
but
I
don't
have
the
perfect
answer
for
you.
I
guess.
T
It
doesn't,
it
doesn't
I
think
as
commissioners.
One
thing
we
need
to
do
is
assess
the
risk
and
there's
a
lot
of
uncertainty
right
now
in
our
transit
system
and
I.
Think
we
need
to
look
past.
The
short
term
for
sure
I
think
have
some
optimism
and
confidence
that
some
of
the
short
term
issues
are
going
to
be
resolved,
whether
it
takes
one
week
or
whether
it
takes
a
month
or
whether
it
takes
three
months,
they
will
be
resolved.
T
T
You
know
I
hope
you
could
say
with
some
confidence
I'm
looking
at
that
the
261,
which
was
the
most
on-time
200
series
bus
in
the
first
six
months
of
2019,
32
percent
of
those
buses
were
late,
so
I
I
hope
we're
a
lot
closer
to
where
we
should
be,
which
is
that
90%
on-time
rate
I.
Look
at
you
know,
business
areas
of
my
community
I
burrowed,
for
example,
and
there's
others
across
the
city
that
have
told
us.
T
L
Thank
you
very
much.
I'm
gonna
be
very
similar
to
councilor
brockington
all
I'm
getting
is
concerns
about
bottlenecks
of
problems
and
they're
on
certain
routes
and
I,
really
like
the
idea
of
being
able
to
work
together
to
get
through
them
and
I
just
need
some
assurance,
because,
if
I
vote
on
this
budget
and
people
have
not
gotten,
you
know
they're
still
having
more
than
you
know,
half-hour
delays
of
getting
to
work
and
this
I'm
getting
stories
of
people
looking
at
quitting
their
jobs
and
just
total
frustration.
H
What
you
could
tell
them,
as
if
I
had
to
share
that
experience
and
I
would
and
I
have,
is
that
the
data
that
we're
seeing
since
we
deployed
the
40
buses
is
that
the
daily
cancellations
of
routes
is
down
and
a
reminder.
Last
year
we
were
hitting
150
200
cancellations
a
day.
We've
been
down,
2-0
10,
15
20,
so
that's
99.5,
99.8%
of
service
delivery
delivered
the
20
buses
for
the
r-1,
preserves
that
so
that'll
keep
things
much
better
intact.
H
The
the
19
buses
addresses
some
of
the
growth
areas,
the
reliability
issues
and
then
I
think
it
is
about
having
to
calm
the
tough
conversations
of
like
the
people
that
have
asked
me.
Why
do
I
have
a
double
transfer
when
I
explained
it
to
them?
I
was
very
frank
and
honest
and
said:
there's
nothing.
We
can
do
to
change
that,
because
to
do
to
do
a
change
on
that,
for
a
very
small
percentage
of
our
ridership
would
mean
very
significant
cost
to
you
and
erosion
of
service.
So
it's
it's.
The
sum
of
the
parts.
H
Good,
reliable
train
service
equals
much
improved
bus
service
across
the
network,
and
we
are
seeing
some
of
that
reliability,
increase
and
I.
Think
some
of
the
outstanding
challenges
are
the
overcrowded
buses,
which
were
we
hope
to
fix
with
some
of
that
investment
that
if
you
approve
this
budget,
so
things
are
trending
in
the
right
direction.
Rt
g
and
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need
to
deliver
that
helps
us
all
and
the
investments
that
you
have
here
help
across
the
board.
I.
L
Appreciate
that
one
of
the
things
that
I
hear
from
from
residence
is
that
they
see,
you
know
they're
waiting
an
extra
long
time
for
a
bas
and
then
they
see
back-to-back
buses.
They
see
the
same
bus
back-to-back
and
it's
happened
a
few
times
and
it's
just
one
of
those
ongoing
headaches
and
we've
passed
it
on
to
your
team.
L
But
if
I'm
hoping
that
in
those
efficiencies
that
were
seeing
them,
spread
out
that
they're
they're
not
back-to-back,
because
there's
nothing
more
frustrating
than
waiting
for
something
for
a
long
long
time
and
then
there's
two
in
a
row
that
aren't
going
to
do
you
much
good.
Can
we
see
some
improvements
on
that?
Will
the
will
those
buses
help
because
the
40
buses
you're
talking
about
we're
not
necessarily
applying
to
the
routes
that
that
have
been
raised
with
me?
It
was
not
listed.
N
Mr.
chair
wind,
when,
if
you
ever
see
two
buses
back-to-back,
it
is
usually
because
one
of
us
is
late
and
the
other
one
is
on
time,
or
sometimes
you
know
very
close
to
on
time.
So
one
of
the
highest
priorities
of
the
work
we're
doing
with
the
40
buses
and
with
the
new
schedules
for
January,
is
to
based
on
data
that
we've
collected
on
the
routes
that
you
identified
as
priorities
check
to
see
that
the
scheduled
time
for
each
route
is
correct
from
one
end
to
the
other.
N
We
have
found
some
routes
which
have
an
excess
of
time,
where
we
need
to
take
some
time
out
because
those
buses
are
running
early
and
a
bus.
That's
running
early
is
the
same
as
a
bus.
That's
not
there
for
many
customers
and
we've
seen
a
larger
group
of
routes
where
there
isn't
enough
time
in
the
schedule
to
get
from
one
end
to
the
other.
When
we
make
that
change
in
January
and
continued
through
the
year
as
we
can
to
do
that
analysis
and
then
make
those
changes.
N
Those
buses
then
have
the
capability
of
running
closer
to
on
time
that
anytime,
buses
are
running
better
on
time.
There
will
be
less
bunching,
but
it
won't
go
away
instantly
with
a
new
schedule
change
because
it's
very
very
influenced
by
what's
happening
on
the
roads
and
what's
happening
with
customers
at
that
moment
at
that
location.
On
that
day,.
L
Thank
you
because
the
last
thing
I
want
to
do
is
is
have
less
service,
I'm,
hoping
that
we're
going
to
increase
and
that
we're
going
to
have
new
riders
all
the
time.
And
but
it's
all
word
of
mouth,
and
we
need
to
have
these
riders
satisfied.
So
they
can
spread
the
word
and
pass
it
on.
Is
there
anything
in
the
budget
about
communication
about
building
into
getting
new
new
riders
about
doing
focus
groups
on
people
who
aren't
currently
taking
transit
to
get
them
interested
in
transit?
Is
there
any?
H
I
believe
I
mentioned
that
earlier
on
that
we
want
to
bring
forward
a
marketing
plan.
We
we
did
have
a
follow
up
to
are
ready
for
rail
campaign,
but
we
had
to
suspend
that
because
of
the
hardships
that
our
customers
faced.
So
we
have
a
there
was
a
continuum
of
that
and
then
we're
going
to
bring
forward
a
very
aggressive
marketing
plan
to
get
people
onto
onto
the
system
right
now.
We,
our
focus,
is
on
taking
care
of
those
people
that
are
not
getting
the
service
that
that's
supposed
to
be
delivered
to
them.
Okay,.
C
C
N
Cautiously
optimistic,
it's
we've,
we've
there's
been
people
who
have
suggested
huge
ridership
increases
will
come
immediately
upon
opening
a
rapid
transit
line.
We
are
in
a
different
circumstance
in
Ottawa,
because
we've
been
replacing
a
rapid
transit
line
which
was
served
by
buses
to
a
rapid
transit
line.
That's
served
by
trains,
it's
in
recognition
of
the
fact
that
the
detours
have
ended
that
many
people
have
shorter
travel
times
or
will
have
shorter
travel
times
once
service
is
fully
reliable
and
the
continued
growth
of
the
economy.
N
C
N
Our
methods
don't
allow
us
to
distinguish
between
the
two
we
recognize
more
so
I
would
say
we
see
a
difference.
We
will
see
an
increase
if,
when
ridership
is
higher,
it's
because
we
see
an
increase
in
the
number
of
passes
we
sell
and
the
number
of
single
ride
fares
when
more
passes
are
sold.
We
know
that's
more
individuals,
because
anyone
who
buys
a
pass
has
unlimited
travel.
When
we
see
more
single
ride
fares,
we
cannot
tell
whether
it's
one
person
making
more
trips
or
whether
it's
another
person
making
a
new
trip
so.
E
C
I
believe
this
will
be
a
net
revenue.
Positive
I
believe
that
if
you're
a
family
of
four
or
five-
and
you
look
at
the
cost
to
go
one
way
from
your
community
to
let's
say
downtown
and
then
the
cost
to
come
back
that
could
be
$25.
A
family
passes
is
ten
point,
seven
five
and
so
people
aren't
taking
the
bus.
C
In
that
case,
they're
saying
well,
it's
cheaper
for
us
to
drive,
or
we
just
won't
travel
as
much,
but
if
you
offer
a
family
pass
more
times
throughout
the
year,
I
think
you're
going
to
attract
more
people.
So
I
don't
see
this
as
we're
gonna
lose
money.
I
see
it
as
it's
going
to
be
an
attraction
if
it's
marketed
properly
to
attract
more
people
to
take
the
system
and
that's
why
the
way
it's
worded.
C
This
is
a
test
we're
going
to
test
it
for
a
year
and
we're
gonna
come
back
in
the
year
and
discuss
it
further.
So
I'd
hope
that
folks
discuss
this
or
I
sorry
I
approve
this
today.
One
change
I'd
like
to
make
mr.
chair
to
my
own
motion
is
to
add
the
family
day
this
that
this
the
holiday
that
we
have
in
February
to
that
I
believe
councillor
Cavanaugh,
has
made
that
suggestion
and
I
would
just
like
to
amend
my
motion
to
add
family
day
to
the
list
of
days
that
we're
gonna
pilot
in
2020.
C
C
C
I
wanted
to
address
that
the
whole
point
of
my
suggestion
for
a
free
day
in
the
infancy
days
of
the
LRT,
which
later
morphed
into
Remembrance
Day,
was
to
draw
non
commuters
to
the
system,
and
we
were
to
market
that
free
day
and
target
people
supposed
to
be
on
a
Sunday
to
get
them
onto
the
system.
So
going
back
to
councilor
Cavanaugh's
question
about,
do
we
have
plans
in
place
in
2020
to
market
to
people
and
converting
on
public
transit
users
to
the
public
transit
system?
C
The
ultimate
goal
that
I
was
trying
to
go
at
for
that
free
day
was
to
introduce
people
hey
come
on
the
system.
It's
free
bus,
LRT
use
the
LRT,
see
what
is
happened
in
the
city
and
get
them
on
that,
but
I
definitely
believe
there
are
multiple
opportunities
to
do
that
going
forward.
Finally,
I
just
want
to
restate
my
comment
at
the
beginning
about
my
significant
reluctance
with
this
budget
to
address
the
number
one
issue
in
my
ward,
and
that
is
the
bus
reliability,
which
has
been
a
chronic
issue.
C
It
has
not
improved
after
the
October
6
transition
when
the
number
of
bus
routes
changed
and
although
a
number
of
routes
in
my
ward
were
identified
in
mr.
Mann
Kony's
memo
last
Friday,
the
details
that
I
can
communicate
back
to
my
community
have
not
been
shared
with
me.
So
I
have
a
great
reluctance
supporting
this
budget,
because
at
this
point,
I
don't
see
how
the
number
one
issue
in
my
word
is
being
addressed.
Thank
You
mr.
chair.
J
Thank
You
chair
I,
like
to
just
come
back
to
pair
a
transpose
service
expansion,
I
note
that
there's
no
FTE
impact
associated
with
the
two
million
dollar
increase
in
in
the
operational
budget
I
just
like
to
know
like
will.
This
include
any
increase
in
the
number
of
buses,
any
increase
in
the
number
of
drivers.
J
So
what
does
that
mean?
And
so
again
I?
You
know
being
asked
to
to
approve
the
budget
this
evening
and
I
also
have
some
reluctance,
because
I'm
not
sure
that
we've
addressed
really
the
need
for
our
Parekh
customers.
We
have
another
year
to
go
before
they
will
see
a
real
online
booking
and
I
just
want
to
I
just
want
to
understand
what
the
impact
for
them
will
be
going
into
2020.
And
what
do
you
see
is
the
the
service
enhancement
they.
H
J
H
J
H
See
some
of
the
parts
will
give
you
more
for
the
customers,
so
you
have
the
online
booking.
You'll
have
the
front
of
the
the
portal
you'll.
Have
this
and
then
down
the
road
we'll
bring
you
the
policy
paper
on
how
you
can
mine
out
even
more
trips
without
even
having
to
add
to
the
budget
or
if
you
want
to
keep
all
your
policies
in
place
and
get
ready.
Those
are
difficult,
difficult
discussions
on
eligibility
criteria,
trip
restrictions.
You
heard
about
people
going
to
social
events.
H
Do
we
want
to
start
to
throttle
a
lot
down
and
make
it
an
essential
service,
just
four
core
types
of
trips?
That's
all
the
tough
discussions
which
we've
had
with
the
user
groups
and
a
caution.
We
can't
get
consensus
on
that,
but
if
council
wants
to
invest
more
without
and
keep
everything
intact,
we
can
do
that.
We
can
even
go
back
to
unpacking
the
decision
as
to
when
we
brought
the
service
in-house.
You
want
to
expand
your
fleet,
you
you
can
add
to
that.
You
can
bring
more
service
in-house.
H
You
can
contract
it
all
out,
it's
all
about
money
and
policy
discussion
and
that's
why
councilor
Gower
raised
an
important
point
earlier
on
about
you
know.
If
you
want
to
have
you
want
to
have
a
holistic
discussion
about
para,
Transpo
and
planning
for
the
future
and
making
it
meet
everybody's
objectives.
You
got
to
have
difficult
discussion
on
all
those
things.
The
budget
that's
before
you
is
a
balanced
budget,
bringing
in
all
the
levers
that
we
have
the
treasurer
mind
out.
H
The
two
million
dollars
for
us
to
put
towards
this
I
know:
counselor,
you
and
I
have
talked
about
adding
trips
online
booking
is
there
and
down
the
road.
If
you
have
want
to
have
more
wholesome
discussions
about
how
you
can
do
more,
with
less
or
more
with
more
we're
happy
to
do
that
policy,
discussion,
I'm.
J
A
more
with
more
from
you
know,
more
with
more
believer.
I
think
that
for
me,
what
I'm,
looking
for
in
the
end
is
parity
I,
want
to
make
sure
that
people
who
mobility
challenged
in
any
way
are
able
to
move
about
the
city
in
the
same
way
that
I
can
and
have
the
same
options
that
I
do
get
understanding
that
they'll
be
different,
but
that
you
know
that
they'll
be
that
there
will
be
that
equity
in
place.
So
so
thank
you
for
that.
A
So,
thank
you.
Everybody
for
your
questions.
I've
got
just
a
couple
and
they're
related
to
the
motions
I
want
to
thank
mr.
man,
Kony
and
our
treasurer
and
all
their
staff
for
the
work
on
this
budget
I.
Just
it's
just
a
few
questions
here
too.
So,
first,
let's
start
with
councilor
Cavanaugh's
motion
I
want
to
go
back
to
legal.
They
suggested
that
this
would
be
reconsideration.
So
I
just
want
to
be
clear.
So
if
three
quarters
of
the
Commission
members
present
vote
to
reconsider
this
item,
we
can
put
it
back
on
the
table.
A
Is
that
correct?
That's
correct,
chair
thanks,
okay
and
to
be
clear
what
councillor
Cavanaugh
you
want
to
put
this
on,
but
at
a
zero
cost
you're
not
looking
for
money
to
implement
this
if
they
come
up
with
the
idea
that
there's
going
to
be
a
cost
here,
you're
not
comfortable
with
staff,
just
working
on
this
trying
to
figure
it
out
you
you
want
out,
so
you
include
it
in
the
budget.
So
for
how
much
do
we
know
yeah.
L
Please,
thank
you.
It
says
right
in
the
motion
to
report
back
with
information
on
the
feasibility
of
implementing
this
proposal,
so
I
think
it's
pretty
clear
that
this
is
something
that
and
his
budget
related
in
the
fact
of
the
future.
But
at
this
point
it's
they're
going
to
be
looking
at
the
feasibility,
so
they're
going
to
report
back
with
information
and
I
think
mr.
Scrimgeour
said
it
well
in
terms
of
that
it
could
be
have
an
effect
if
it.
But
at
this
point
it
is
just
information
that
we're
asking
for.
A
H
Just
trying
to
be
helpful
and
manage
expectations,
I
want
to
be
crystal
clear.
I've
just
confirmed
with
Pat
again
I
wasn't
privy
to
the
conversation
they
had
yesterday
or
whenever
it
was
I.
We
cannot
implement
this
now,
there's
no
way
we
can
implement
this
now
and
if
we
were
directed
to
implement
it
now
or
in
the
future,
I'm
gonna
warn
you
there's
gonna
be
costs.
Nothing
is
for
free
for
reprogramming,
for
the
the
the
fare
gates
and
also
the
back
office
with
with
Metrolink.
A
You
so,
if
commissions,
okay,
I'll
save
my
questions
on
the
other
two
motions
to
will
deal
with
this.
Now.
Do
we
want
to
if
we
take
this
under
reconsideration
now,
as
mr.
Mahoney
said,
they
can't
implement
it
without
dollar
figures
attached
to
it.
The
councillors
in
agreement
that
if
this
motion
fails
staff,
will
stop
working
on
it
for
this
year.
So
do
we
want
to
take
this
on
or
do
we
want
to
leave
it
with
mr.
Spindler
to
try
to
work
out
I,
don't
think.
L
A
L
H
So
I'm
just
clarifying
with
mr.
Scrimgeour,
and
we
all
know
he
he
always
wants
to
help
everybody
I'm
just
I
want
to
manage
that
expectations.
He
doesn't
have
capacity
to
take
this
on.
It
looks
simple
on
the
surface,
but
it's
meetings
it's
flying
down
to
Toronto,
to
meet
with
Metrolinx
and
to
convince
them
to
do
certain,
back-office,
stuff,
reprogramming.
H
So
I,
don't
know
where
he's
gonna
get
the
capacity
to
do
it
and
I
don't
want
to
let
you
down
counselor
by
us,
saying
yes,
we'll
take
it
as
direction
and
then
it
you
know
we
get
into
the
situation.
Where
is
this
in
the
priorities
of
things?
So
what
he
just
told
me
I
said:
why
are
we
agreeing
to
this?
If
he's
saying,
if
we're
directed
we'll,
do
it
but
I'm
it's
not
going
to
come
to
the
top
of
the
list
is
the
issue
this.
H
This
will
drag
on
for
some
time
and,
as
you
know,
we
have
lots
and
lots
of
priorities.
We've
heard
about
online
booking,
we
heard
about
stabilizing
the
system,
rude
meetings,
rolling
out
new
service,
all
that
we're
just
we're
just
adding
on,
and
it's
my
job
to
manage
him
and
his
his
staff
to
meet
expectations.
So,
if
you
give
direction,
we
I'd
suggest
we
bring
this
back
as
part
of
that
report.
H
L
Don't
think
there
was
an
expectation
that
was
going
to
be
on
the
top
of
the
list.
This
was
strictly
a
review
as
it
states
and
to
to
look
into
it
and
I,
don't
believe
it
would
be
more
than
you
know.
Looking
at
the
feasibility,
if
it's
you
know,
if
it's
fees
not
feasible,
then
you'll
report
back
and
and
then
we'll
hear
their
explanation,
but
it's
not
a
deep
digging.
This
is
looking
at
the
feasibility
I've.
H
Given
you
my
answer,
it
is
not
feasible.
I
know
the
I
know
the
Metrolink
system.
I
was
there
from
the
ground
up.
It
is
not
programmable
to
do.
This.
I've
asked
the
question.
So,
if
you're
looking
for
the
feasibility
of
doing
this
now
it
is
not
feasible
if
you're
looking
at
the
future,
when
there's
upgrades
lots
of
work,
Metrolinx
will
want
a
scoping
document,
the
one
and
oh
the
costs
funding
source.
We
have
to
give
them
money
to
do
the
engineering
fees
and
so
forth.
I'm.
A
Be
part
of
the
budget
piece
right
now,
so
that's
what
we're
asking
you
do
you
want
us
to
go
to
a
vote.
It
has
to
we've
got
to
get
three-quarters
the
Commission
to
agree
that
we're
going
to
deal
with
this
right
now
as
a
budget
item.
Okay
or
do
you
want
to
would
draw
the
motion
again
and
do
it
either
as
an
inquiry
or
allow
mr.
Scrimgeour
to
to
try
to
work
that
when
they're
doing
changes
in
the
future,
so
that
maybe
there's
not
a
whole
lot
of
a
cost
to
this
to
us?
A
A
H
Goes
back
to
what
Pat
was
talking
about
in
terms
of
customers
are
making
their
choices.
The
Prestel
system
is
doing
what
it
was
intended.
People
are
able
to
not
buy
a
pass
and
go
pay
as
you
go,
so
that
is
affecting
it.
So
hopefully
that
will
attract
more
riders
and
revenue
will
go
up
with
the
rail
system
so
but
yeah
revenues
all
over
the
map.
We.
A
So
to
me
we're
giving
a
blank
check
on
the
reserve
fund
if
we
pass
this
so
I'm
looking
for
some
indication
from
staff
and
this
your
your
answer
can
be
used
by
other
councillors
and
commissioners
when
they're
looking
for
free
pass
days.
How
is
the
best
way
to
approach
this?
Who
should
be
looking
at
a
smaller
example
like
maybe
March
Break
and
the
council
wants
family
day
added
in
there?
Is
that
an
example
that
we
can
then
compare
year-over-year?
Will
you
be
able
to
give
us
an
answer?
K
H
H
A
C
If
people
who
normally
pay
for
multiple
family
members
now
pay
one
pass,
we're
gonna
lose
money,
there'll
be
a
net
decrease
of
revenues
to
the
system
and
staff
are
saying
that
will
be
covered
off
through
this
fund
and
I.
Think
you're
right
Lee.
So
to
ask
the
question:
we
can't
have
an
infinite
amount
of
drawing
from
that
fund.
C
A
Still
has
an
impact
on
the
2020
budget
if
we
tell
them
to
go
ahead
like
if
we
leave
this
room
announcing
that
sending
the
most
in
the
council
recommending
the
family
day
pass,
be
funded
through
transit
reserves
or
operating
budget,
and
something
aren't
foreseen
at
this
moment
comes
up
and
there's
a
million
dollar
or
several
million
dollar
hit
to
the
budget.
That
money
has
to
come
from
somewhere,
and
so
it's
do
you.
How
do
you
want
to
handle
life?
A
C
I
would
like
transit
commissioners
to
vote
on
my
motion.
We're
basically
testing
this
for
a
year
and
you
have
to
make
it
an
assumption
whether
you
think
this
will
be
a
massive
draw
on
our
reserves
or
actually
be
net
revenue.
Positive
I
think
it's
going
to
be
net
revenue,
positive
I,
don't
think,
there's
a
huge
risk
here
to
the
commission.
Okay,.
T
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
a
quick
point:
I'm
on
the
OSI
transfer
website
and
family
day
is
already
covered
as
a
day
for
the
family
day
pass
as
far
as
I
can
tell
so,
there's
one
less
day,
I
think,
given
the
amount
of
uncertainty
and
risk
in
this
budget,
what
councilor
Brockington
is
proposing
poses
such
a
miniscule
amount
of
risks
to
the
overall
budget
that
we're
looking
at
it's
a
completely
reasonable
proposition
and
I
think
something
that's
worth
trying
out
to
see
how
it
goes
and
I'll
be
supporting
his
motion.
A
E
You
wouldn't
build
this
in
your
budget.
You
would
just
leave
your
revenue
projections
exactly
as
they
are
at
the
end
of
the
year.
Whatever
revenue
you've
brought
in
would
be,
you
would
dispose
of
that
surplus
or
deficit
at
the
end
of
the
year.
You
it
would
just
fall
to
the
bottom
line.
So
at
that
point
in
time,
mr.
Scrimgeour
would
be
able
to
tell
you
hopefully
after
a
year
whether
in
fact
it
actually
increased
the
revenue
or
decrease
the
revenue
or
it
had
no
impact
on
the
revenue.
N
K
N
Knowing
who
bought
the
passes
and
whether
they're
related
to
each
other
will
be
impossible?
We
will
know
that
they're
traveling
together.
We
will
not
know
how
many
of
them
there
are
on
buses.
Under
our
current
procedures,
we
would
know
how
many
people
there
were
on
and
buying
tickets
at
train
stations
under
our
current
procedures.
A
Okay,
thank
you
all
right,
let's
say
so.
Everybody
has
some
information
on
that
now.
Let's
are
we
just
going
to
say
carried
or
are
we
going
yes
and
ace
Gary,
okay,
Gary
it
is
so
the
next
one
is
the
fare,
fries,
a
question:
I
guess
the
treasure.
Perhaps
legal
jump
in
on
this
councilman
Kenny's
amendment
to
extend
us
from
90
days
to
a
full
year.
Freeze.
A
Are
we
in
a
position
that
we
can
bank
on
that
money
from
RTG
for
the
full
year
to
pay
for
this
or
because
the
discussion
around
90
days
was
we
figured
there
was
at
least
90
more
days
of
issues
before
we're
sure
it's
all
settled.
So
if
you
could
address
that
for
me
on
the
amendment,
I
would
appreciate
it.
E
That
is
the
risk
that's
introduced
by
making
this
for
a
full
year.
Yo
mr.
Mahoney's
already
said
that
RTG
is
the
performance
is
trending
up
and
they
are
putting
significant
resources
to
make
certain
that
these
problems
don't
continue
when
they
have
the
service,
hopefully
within
the
next
three
to
four
months
to
the
level
that
we
expect
under
the
contract,
we
will
not
be
making
deductions
and
you
will
not
be
able
to
charge
them
for
any
kind
of
mitigation,
because
it's
operating
perfectly.
A
K
What
is
our
expectation
of
recovering
that
from
the
financial
performance
provisions
of
the
project
agreement
again
in
a
scenario
where
they
are
performing
as
per
the
contract
as
of
January
31st?
How
can
we
recoup
that
money
for
February
and
March
in
in
in
in
the
scenario
as
the
motion
now
stands
so.
E
We
would
have
to
use
a
different
source
for
February
in
March,
but
I
think
you
would
have
enough
from
what
you
have
in
September
October
to
to
cover
that,
so
we
would
go
back
to
your
transit
operating
reserve.
If
that
were
the
case,
if
we
weren't
able
to
recover
it
from
the
provisions
within
the
agreement,
we
would
come
back
to
you
at
that
time
to
advise
you
as
such
that
we
would
be
taking
it
from
your
transit
operating
reserve.
There.
E
A
A
D
A
L
H
H
A
A
A
C
A
C
A
A
A
Okay,
so
we're
back
to
catching
up
to
the
budget,
the
amendment
to
the
budget,
so
that
we're
clear
on
the
record
who
that
went
down
that
was
eight
to
four.
You
said
on
the
amendment
I
believe
on
the
McKenney
amendment
to
be
clear,
so
that's
failed
now
the
budget
itself
we're
going
to
do
as
as
a
minute.
What's
the
amendment
sorry.