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From YouTube: Transit Commission – May 9, 2016
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Transit Commission meeting – May 9, 2016 – Audio Stream
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D
F
G
Good
good
morning,
everyone
and
welcome
to
the
Transit
Commission
meeting
for
May
9th
Bonjour
lattice.
As
you
know,
we
start
each
Transit
Commission
meeting
by
recognizing
inspiring
OC
transfer
employees
who
have
gone
above
and
beyond
the
call
of
duty
to
help
others
in
need.
Today,
you'll
hear
four
incredible
stories
from
months
of
January,
February
and
March.
The
compassion
concern
and
quick
actions
of
these
employees
demonstrate
with
what
the
transfer
program
stands
for
and
also
reinforces
those
who
transfers
continued
commitment
to
the
safety
and
security
of
our
customers
and
the
Ottawa
community.
G
If
the
annual
trans
secure
award
ceremony
is
an
opportunity
to
come
together
to
celebrate
these
heroic
individuals
and
their
inspiring
stories
since
the
program's
inception
in
1989
Tran
secure
has
responded
to
ten
thousand
seven
hundred
and
seventy-one
calls.
In
2015
alone,
263
trans
secure
calls
were
logged.
The
17,
2015
OSI
transfer
trans
secured
employees
of
the
month
will
be
recognized
during
the
ceremony
of
the
17
employees.
Being
recognized,
one
call
of
the
month
will
be
named.
G
He
also
noticed
that
she
seemed
disoriented
in
anxious.
Ken
asked
if
everything
was
okay
and
she
indicated
that
she
was
hungry
and
did
not
wish
to
return
home.
Ken
proceeded
to
call
the
transit
operations,
control
center
and
transit
I
was
dispatched
to
meet
his
bus
near
the
end
of
the
route.
While
waiting
for
transit
law
to
alive
the
Ken
gave
gave
the
woman
his
lunch
and
helped
to
keep
her
calm
after
transit
law
arrived,
they
were
able
to
find
the
customer
and
and
safe
and
secure
women's
shelter
and
transported
her
there
in
February.
G
It
was
an
exceptional
month
for
the
transfer
program,
so
we'll
be
recognizing
two
OC
transfer
employees
on
February,
2nd
bus
operator
V
shell
was
stopped
at
Ennis
and
Orient
Park
during
a
morning
trip
a
child
who
was
scared
and
alone
was
handled.
A
sari
was
handed
to
the
shawl
by
an
unknown
person
at
the
bus.
Stop
the
shower
realized
and
child
was
alone,
kept
the
child,
calm,
safe
and
warm
on
the
bus
and
called
control
for
assistance,
transit
law
and
the
Ottawa
police
arrived
a
short
time
later.
G
It
was
then
confirmed
that,
since
the
school
bus
had
already
left,
the
child
was
indeed
unaccompanied,
so
that
transit
law
on
board
the
bus
Michelle
brought
the
child
to
the
school
and
on
February
8th
bus
operator,
John
Ross
swab
was
on
his
afternoon
shift
when
he
noticed
what
appeared
to
be
an
unconscious
elderly
female
in
the
bus,
shelter
at
Sarah
and
Brittany.
Realizing
the
potential
severity
of
the
situation.
Jeff
has
to
are
called
control
so
that
emergency
medical
services
could
be
immediately
dispatched
upon
upon
arriving
on
the
scene.
G
Ems
staff
confirmed
that
the
woman's
vital
signs
were
absent
and
began.
Emergency
procedures
was
able
to
revive
her
and
bring
her
to
the
mall
for
hospital
chef,
Caswell's,
keen
observation
and
quick
action
no
doubt
contributed
to
help
save
this
person's
life
and
on
March
15th
bus
operator,
Stephen
found
a
purse
that
had
been
left
on
board
his
bus
that
contained
a
substantial
amount
of
cash.
He
immediately
called
the
transit
operations,
Control
Center,
who
dispatched
special
constables
to
pick
up
the
purse
and
ensure
the
safety
of
its
contents.
G
The
special
constables
were
able
to
identify
the
rightful
owners
and
returned
to
them.
The
content
over
ten
thousand
dollars
in
cash
operator,
Stephen
displayed
a
great
degree
of
integrity
and
honesty
in
ensuring
the
lost
cash
was
safely
returned
to
its
rightful
owners.
So
I'm
very
grateful
that
canvas
shell,
jean-francois
and
Stephen
are
with
us
today
and
I'd
like
to
invite
them
up
to
the
front
to
receive
their
certificates.
G
Okay,
so
I
wanted
to
take
a
moment
to
highlight
some
of
the
great
work
being
done
by
OSI
transfer
to
assist
some
of
our
city's.
Most
recent
newcomers
generate
pseudo
unique
code,
the
Magnificat
fog,
dippy
rate,
that
was
to
transport
ad
and
something
known
de
navarra
diva
ottawa.
As
you
know,
over
the
last
number
of
months,
we've
welcomed
a
large
number
of
Syrian
refugees
here
at
Ottawa
understanding
the
magnitude
of
the
need
and
wanting
to
help
make
a
difference.
G
Start
off
I'd
like
to
tell
you
about
a
travel
training
sessions
that
OC
transfers
been
providing
for
Refugees
tapped
and
understand
how
to
use
our
city's
public
transit
system.
As
a
bit
of
a
background,
OC
transpose
official
travel
training
program
was
established
in
2004.
The
program
is
designed
to
teach
seniors
people
with
disabilities
and
new
immigrants
how
to
travel
safely
and
independently
on
the
transit
system.
Now
for
inácio
lula
des
moines
programmed
OC
Transpo
key
a
visual
on
donated
capital.
G
Do
you
mean
cat
shoes,
the
con
coop
or
austin
yazhini
or
person
handicapped,
a
La
Nina,
a
pseudoplastic
annuity,
a
pal,
so
a
days
old
across
Paul
Anka?
More
recently
also
transfer
adjusted
the
90-minute
training
program
to
specifically
meet
the
needs
of
Syrian
refugees.
As
you
know,
public
transit
is
peddle.
Transit
is
vital
resource
that
assists
when
traveling
to
school,
language,
classes,
employment
opportunities
and
other
activities
that
are
crucial
when
integrating
into
a
new
community.
So
it's
important
that
they
feel
comfortable
and
well-equipped.
G
Since
March
of
2016,
three
training
sessions
have
been
held
with
over
150
attendees,
and
this
number
will
only
continue
as
we
move
forward.
Each
travel
training
session
is
equipped
with
translators,
some
of
whom
are
arabic,
speaking
OC
Transpo
operators,
who
are
very
eager
to
help.
These
sessions
includes
our
presentation,
both
English
and
Arabic,
a
question-and-answer
period
and
an
opportunity
to
learn
how
to
board
the
bus.
G
Attendees
learn
how
to
purchase
fare
products
such
as
the
presto
and
bus
passes,
how
to
find
bus
routes
and
other
important
information
moving
to
a
new
country
can
be
extremely
overwhelming,
especially
considering
the
circumstances
and
with
Westray
arrived
this
train
service
as
a
way
to
help
ease.
Some
of
these
worries.
I
would
now
like
to
tell
you
about
a
group
of
very
special
OC
transfer
employees
who
have
been
reaching
out
in
a
very
tangible
way.
Recently.
G
Various
organizations
have
been
booking
OC
transfer,
charters
to
transport
refugees
to
gatherings
and
events
across
the
city
as
a
way
of
giving
back
and
easing
the
financial
burden
of
these
organizations
about
2006
for
operators,
booking
agents
and
other
employees
have
been
volunteering.
Their
time
in
vain
ten-day
show,
fell
dodging
asignación,
a
boat
from
Kuwait
OC,
Transpo,
dunder,
Alton
I,
think
the
country
be
a
liquidity,
VJ
Indonesia,
the
Philadelphia
Airport,
a
policy
organism.
G
G
Some
of
these
volunteers
actually
came
to
Canada's
refugees
themselves
and
would
like
to
share
and
I
would
like
to
share
what
one
of
them
had
to
say
about
their
volunteer
efforts
and
I'm.
Quoting
now
many
of
us
came
to
this
Levin
country
as
refugees,
and
we
were
blessed
to
be
welcomed
and
shown
all
the
benefits
of
living
in
Canada.
This
was
an
opportunity
to
give
back
some
of
the
goodness
we
received
some
decades
ago.
G
G
G
G
Do
we
have
any
declarations
of
interests,
seeing
none
confirmation
of
minutes,
minutes
11
minutes,
11,
the
17th
February
2016
scary?
Thank
you
minutes,
12
and
confidential
minutes
to
from
the
special
meeting
of
every
twenty
fourth,
third
and
minutes,
thirteen
and
confidential
ministry,
the
special
meeting
of
the
23rd
of
March.
Thank
you
very
much
on
communications
and
we
have
response
from
inquiry.
Ot,
Co,
6:15,
the
low-income
transit
access,
Lea
and
I
believe
Commissioner
Commissioner
crew
has
a
motion.
H
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
yes,
I
would
like
to
make
a
motion
with
respect
to
that
item
being
lifted,
so
be
it
resolved
that
the
Transit
Commission
approved
the
addition
of
this
item
for
consideration
by
the
Commission
at
today's
meeting
pursuant
to
subsection
89
sub
3
of
the
procedure
bylaw
for
the
purpose
of
discussion
by
the
Commission
to
the
information
contained
in
the
inquiry
response.
Thank
you.
G
I
G
So
a
motion
to
move
this
inquiry
onto
the
agenda
as
well:
Carrie
Carrie
Carrie.
Thank
you.
Those
will
be
items
6,
&,
7,
so
item
number
1
in
status,
update
for
the
Transit
Commission
motions,
an
increase
for
the
period
ending
April
29th
2016
7
received
receive.
Thank
you
very
much
item
number
2,
the
2016
operating
capital
budget,
q1,
Transit,
Commission
status
report,
there's
a
technical
amendment
and
so
I'll.
Let
the
vice-chair
caucus
introduce
out.
G
K
You
chair
just
want
to
155,000
is
some
of
that
related
to
the
para
Transpo
outstanding
invoices
that
we
were
that
were
in
the
news
that
we
were
hearing
about
a
month
ago
six
weeks
ago,
and
no
it's
not.
No.
Can
you
give
us
a
little
bit
of
detail
on
what
the
what
consists
of
the
hundred
and
fifty
five
thousand,
not
that
it's
a
big
amount
or
a
Lala.
K
A
G
Thank
you
very
much.
So
the
Transit
Commission
received
a
report
on
2015
General
accounts.
Written
off
of
155
150
is
required
by
the
delegation
authority
by
law
just
received
Steve.
Thank
you
very
much.
There
are
questions
on
item
five
and
six
and
seven
there
will
be
questions
so
we'll
return
to
excuse.
Me
number
item
number
two:
the
2016
operating
capital
budgets
for
q1,
Transit,
Commission
and
I.
Believe
the
questions
were
from
councilor
cliche.
K
K
You,
and
there
is,
there-
is
several
items
of
unspent
balances
for
bus
refurbishment
2011
2014-2015,
and
we
won't
talk
about
2016
I,
understand
that
and
their
substantial
amounts
can
we,
mr.
general
manager.
Can
you
or
one
of
your
colleagues
give
us
some
details
as
to
how
and
when
that
money
will
be
spent?
Yes,.
A
We
we
just
recently
awarded
early
I
think
it
was
two
weeks
ago,
a
very
large
tender
for
the
bus
refurbishment
program
and
it's
a
blend
of
who
are
looking
at
giving
the
Union
an
opportunity
to
do
some
in-house
work.
And
then
we
also
did
a
market
competition
so
that
we
can
keep
the
competitive
tension
between
both
in-house
and
external.
That
tender
just
went
out
and
I'm
looking
at
try
believe
it's
around
seven
million
dollars.
So
what
you
can
start
seeing
the
burn
rate
increase
on
those
refurbishments.
Okay,.
K
A
To
maintain
the
optimum
life
cycle
15
years
span
on
our
and
we're
right
on
target
with
that
tender
that
just
got
awarded,
and
it's
also
very
critical
to
how
the
bus
network
changes
in
2028
post
2018,
so
we've
optimized
the
fleet
so
that
we're
getting
rid
of
the
older
vehicles
of
the
15
year
lifecycle
when
we
open
up
with
LRT.
So
it's
it's
on
target
now
can.
K
A
We've
done
a
very
intensive
cleanup
of
CAP
in
the
last
two
years
of
their
finance
partners.
It's
actually
helped
the
bottom
line
and
I
know
the
deputy
treasurer
is
here
today.
It's
it's
helped
manage
all
the
finances.
Last
year
we
had
our
deficit
challenge.
We
took
a
very
aggressive
look
up,
every
single
capital
account,
and
so
we
tried
to
do
a
very
good
job
and
also
you've
got
some
corporate
rules
as
to
how
long
that
money
can
stay
on
the
books
which
were
in
full
compliance
with.
Can.
A
K
K
K
K
A
couple
more
questions
chair,
and
so
we
have
spent
on
this
report.
67%
of
our
capital
works
in
process
authority
as
of
q1
as
of
March
31st
2016.
Is
that
that
the
regular
to
do
we
front-end
the
spending
in
a
year
or
the
commitments
that
suspenders
and
expenditures
spending
and
contractual
obligations
right?
It's.
A
A
mix
it
depends
on
the
nature
of
the
work
and
also
timing.
So,
for
example,
we
just
signed
the
bus
refurbish
your
contract
that
I
talked
about.
We
just
signed
a
I,
think
it's
over
thirty
five
million
dollar
contract,
their
gates
and
so
forth.
So
in
the
next
quarter,
you'll
see
the
progress
trending
forward
on
it,
and
those
fair
gates
are,
of
course,
for.
K
The
LRT,
therefore,
the
Trillium
liner
for
the
illogic
run
Kay
just
one
more
question
on
document
three
mr.
general
manager
I
see
the
over
time
that
was
allotted
for
both
customer
systems
and
planning
and
for
safety
compliance,
but
just
a
little
bit
less
than
50%
has
been
spent.
Is
that
a
normal
course
in
the
in
the
behavior
of
these
costs?
Do
we
do
a
lot
of
planning
early
in
the
year?
Is
that
the
reason
it
once
again,
they're
not
huge
amounts,
but
the
ratio
is
no.
It's
it's
a.
A
E
Mr.
McCarney
for
document
six,
the
revenue
improvements,
I,
do
have
some
questions
when
we
start
talking
about
the
festivals
planning,
but
a
couple
of
items
in
there.
New
condo
revenues
are
tracking
as
planned,
and
the
city
isn't
currently
negotiate
with
Bluesfest
organizers,
I
understand
that
you're
very
close
on
Bluesfest
and
I'm,
looking
forward
to
seeing
resolution
on
that
one,
how
many
new
condos
are
you
currently
in
negotiations
with
we've
approved
quite
a
few
downtown
that
are
presumably
in
site
plan
right
now?
How
many
I'm
talking
to
you
so.
A
A
Moser
and
the
chief
planner
I've
told
them
to
aggressively
pursue
you
can't
force
the
developers
to
do
that
and
every
you
know,
dollar,
we
add
to
the
sale
of
a
condo,
affects
the
market
for
them,
but
I've
told
them
to
to
push
it
as
hard
as
we
can
and
see.
If
the
development
is
through
volunteers
to
do
that,
whenever
there's
a
transportation
challenge,
we
we
tell
them
to
put
transit
first,
we
tell
them
to
put
transit
first,
all
the
time,
but
also,
if
they're
in
a
difficult
predicament.
A
E
A
E
A
We
met
with
the
Canadian
Tire
Center
senior
management
team,
the
city
manager
and
myself,
and
they
were
very
clear
that
they're
not
interested
in
pursuing
this
model.
Mr.
O'connor
and
his
team
did
a
very
deep
dive
into
the
history
of
the
file
of
site
plan
and
approvals.
There's
a
requirement
in
there
to
provide
transit,
there's
various
terminology-
that's
used
in
there,
so
the
position
from
the
executive
team
from
from
that
organization
was
no.
We
have
this
service
and
it's
going
to
continue.
We
then
explored
with
them
if
they
would
to
look
at
all
the
alternatives.
A
Our
venues
or
other
opportunities,
such
as
concerts
and
so
forth
last
night
would
have
been
a
perfect
example,
and
we
tried
to
share
within
that
the
incremental
cost
per
ticket,
especially
for
the
larger,
shows
that
attracts
a
lot
of
people
is
a
minima
they're
thinking
about
that.
But
they
haven't
touched
on
any
interest
in
that
okay,
so
they
essentially
just
said
no
I
would
have
liked
to
have
Garth,
Brooks
and
and
last
night
there
was
a
concert
there
and
so
forth
and
try
it
out
and
build
it
into
the
price
of
the
ticket.
E
A
I
You
mr.
chair
I
find
us
to
do
with
the
document
number
two.
The
capital
works
in
progress.
They've
got
two
sections
growth
and
renewal
since
we
haven't
had
any
growth
for
some
years,
except
for
one
minor
change
in
routes
and
things
like
that.
How
do
you
define
what
is
grow?
You
got
clarity
in
there
as
well
as
induced
by
the
system,
but
is
that
being
so
funded
by
the
DC's
that
are
coming
from
existing
growth
or
is
it
being
funded
elsewhere?
I.
I
The
quick
question
it
is
because
we're
having,
as
you
know,
great
difficulty,
getting
even
basic
service
in
the
outlying
communities-
and
it's
not
just
the
cannot-
is
also
for
liens.
It's
also
in
other
areas
where
there's
new
growth
and
if
the
money
from
the
DC's
is
all
going
to
fund
other
things
which
we
need.
I
Then
we
need
to
have
some
alternative
way
of
getting
the
servicing
increased
in
the
areas
which
are
actually
growing
and
paying
for
because
the
the
three
things
in
there
with
that
were
that,
but
the
others
were
non
rev
your
vehicle
additions
and
and
modern
miscellaneous
vehicle
growth
and
I'm.
Just
wondering
why
we're
growing
vehicles
when
we're
not
growing
the
service.
A
I
Know
the
city
is
growing,
but
the
number
of
bus
of
the
bus
service
funding
has
been
held
this
year.
There
was
zero
dollars,
as
you
know,
for
new,
but
enroute
city
I
know
you
do
adjustments,
I
work
with
you
on
that
to
try
to
juggle
things,
but
it's
not
for
extra
money
spent
and
the
so
forgetting
new
vehicles
when
we're
really
not
having
anything
significant
happening
with
the
routes
like
it
just
seems
surprising
to
me.
I
G
H
Thank
You
mr.
chair
very
quickly.
Returning
to
the
report
itself
and
specifically
this
webpage
I'm
on
here,
looking
at
page
3,
I'm
glad
to
see
that
there
is
a
q1
surplus.
I,
also
note
the
revenue
deficit
versus
a
projection
of
1.7
million
dollars,
which
is
noted
as
being
primarily
associated
with
customers,
opting
for
lower
fare
types
and
ridership
levels
and
wondering
if
anybody
could
advise
on
how
much
of
that
that
revenue
deficit
is
a
result
of
customers.
Opting
for
lower
fare
types
which
I
would
submit
is
a
good
thing
versus
a
decrease
in
ridership
levels.
H
H
A
Thing
on
ridership
is
I
need
I
need
to
make
you
aware.
Canada-Wide,
everyone
is
down
Vancouver,
neutral,
Calgary,
Edmonton,
Halifax,
Ottawa,
so
much
so
that
dedicated
only
transit
Association
is
making
it
a
priority
to
find
out.
What's
going
on
when
you
look
to
the
South
opted
to
just
release
their
q4
ridership
numbers
they're
down
across
the
board,
also
and
there's
all
kinds
of
theories
out
there
with
elasticity.
We
are
pricing.
Your
this.
We
hear
that
the
best
guesstimate
anybody
can
can
give
is
a
combination
of
things
in
the
June
report
on
fares.
A
We
are
just
finalizing
the
review
we
brought
in
someone
to
assist
us
on
that
very
aggressive,
comprehensive
review
as
to
what
happened
post
2012,
because
that's
what
it
appears
that
post
2012
everyone
started
to
slide
and
it's
a
con.
It
appears
to
be
a
combination
of
things,
but
nobody
can
pinpoint
that
it's
exactly
this
or
that
that
is
caused
ridership
to
do
what
it's
doing.
In
our
case
here
we
know
that
people
are
opting
for
different,
fair,
fair
options
and
we're
factoring
that
into
the
fare
report
for
June.
A
H
Know
that,
of
course,
it's
one
of
the
things
that
you're
considering,
but
in
that
the
bottom
line
of
the
surplus
is
a
saving
primarily
due
to
loads
of
lower
diesel
prices
and
I
know.
Lower
diesel
doesn't
translate
to
conventional
gasoline,
but
I
do
suspect
that
the
to
move
in
the
same
direction
at
the
same
time,
which
may
be
one
of
the
reasons
why
people
are
opting
for
the
expensive
option
of
putting
gas
in
their
cars
as
opposed
to
taking
transit,
Thank
You.
Mr.
chair.
G
I
think
you
can
assure
are
there
any
other
questions
on
this
item?
Seeing
none
I
also
like
to
congratulate
the
management
team
for
delivering
a
surplus
for
the
first
score
of
the
year
and
I.
Think
it's
important
to
note
that
the
small
amount
of
risk
that
was
taken
to
CTC
represents
something
like
one
tenth
of
one
percent
of
the
entire
budget
of
the
city,
so
private
sector
corporation
would
be
proud
to
not
only
have
a
surplus
but
have
a
variance
or
a
risk
of
1/10
of
1%.
G
I
I
was
looking
through.
These
I
found
millions
of
dollars
going
to
clever
devices,
and
it
reads
what
it
looks
like
is
that
this
place,
which
we
didn't
get
that
many
years
ago,
has
major
upgrades
being
required
of
it.
It
was
a
very
controversial
thing
at
the
time,
and
I
won't
get
into
that
right
now,
but
I'm
very
suspicious
of
all
the
things
to
do
with
clever
devices,
because
a
result
of
what
happened
at
the
time
when
we
could
have
had
a
price
that
was
half
the
price
of
clever
devices.
I
If
we
had
not
had
the
types
of
procurement
policies
which
has
since
been
amended,
so
that
won't
happen
again.
They
so
I
just
wondering
why
the
cost
so
much
like
it
was
about
6
or
7
million
dollars
and
millions
of
dollars
for
clever
devices
when
those
devices
are
what
three
or
years
worth
the
very
most.
So.
A
Just
on
clever
devices,
the
you
have
one
of
the
best
bus
systems
in
North,
America,
you've
heard
me
say
that
over
and
over
again,
I
can
tell
you
that,
because
they're
always
asking
to
see
our
bus
systems,
I
can
tell
you.
The
other
jurisdictions
are
just
launching
some
of
the
services
that
you
have,
such
as
text,
arrival,
GPS
tracking
and
so
forth.
Things
that
you've
had
for
years
the
the
clever
device
contracts
that
they
get
right
now.
Mr.
McDonald,
our
chief
procurement
officer,
is
in
the
room.
A
He
is
there
with
us
every
step
of
the
way
we
negotiate.
Those
and
Carver
device,
just
one
attender
for
an
open
tender
for
upgrades
to
our
control
room,
and
these
are
all
evolutions
to
the
system
that
you've
committed
to
I
wasn't
here
for
that
contract
that
you're
talking
about,
but
I
can
tell
you
that,
as
general
manager
I
see
every
one
of
these
contracts
their
work
with
supply
hand-in-hand.
We
take
an
aggressive
approach
to
pricing
with
clever,
as
per
the
requirements
of
the
contract
that
they
were
given.
They
are
providing
outstanding
service.
A
The
reliability
is
outstanding.
The
the
upgrades
that
are
needed
are
necessary
to
keep
you
current,
which
avoids
a
massive
upgrade
and
a
mass
shutdown
down
the
road.
So
you
keep
an
evolution
of
the
system
going
rather
than
doing
a
big
bang
a
couple
years
from
now
so
I'm
confident
with
the
contracts
are
awarded
and
they
are
competitive
in
the
sense
of
mr.
McDonald
and
his
team
takes
the
lead
in
negotiating
these
contracts
with
us
is.
I
That
contract,
one
of
the
questions
that
I've
asked
a
while
back
for
some
people
who
are
blind
is
that
there
is
an
ability,
I
believe
to
have
the
bus
number
called
out
outside
the
bus
officially
at
busy
stops
where
there's
multiple
buses
going
in.
They
have
great
difficulty
with
it
because
they
have
to
rely
on
somebody
to
tell
them
the
number
and
often
they
end
up
missing
their
buses.
Perfect.
A
Lead-In
to
what's
you're
going
to
see
this
fall,
we're
gonna
be
one
of
the
few
agencies
around
the
world.
We're
approaching
the
bus
stops,
there's
gonna
be
the
external
audible
which
is
from
the
clever
device.
We've
been
working
with
our
partners,
CNIB
and
other
agencies
out
there
and
that's
another
enhanced
to
our
bus
system.
That
will
make
us
one
of
the
best
in
North
America
good.
G
You're
much
counselor
anyone
else
on
item
number
three
seeing
none
can
we
receive
this
report
receive.
Thank
you
very
much
item
number
five
cost
recovery
for
festivals
and
special
events.
Before
we
go
to
questions
mr.
Marconi,
is
there
anything
you
want
to
to
talk
about
No,
okay,
counselor,
leaper,
Thank,
You,
chair.
E
I,
don't
have
a
lot
of
questions
on
this.
One
I
think
people
know
where
I
stand
with
respect
to
nickel
and
diming
some
of
the
festivals
that
adds
so
so
much
to
the
quality
of
life
in
this
city.
I
didn't
want
to
take
a
look
at
assume
the
events
on
page
7,
for
which
the
city
is
currently
budgeting
additional
services,
a
couple
of
major
events
in
there,
the
auto
race
weekend,
for
example,
I
think
during
the
Sunday
1/2
and
the
the
marathon
are
being
run.
E
J
Mr.
chair,
those
the
costs
we
incur
for
the
auto
race
weekend
are
not
in
providing
additional
capacity
to
people
traveling
to
the
event
the
costs
are
incur,
our
2d
tour
buses
around
where
the
event
occurs,
and
because
of
the
nature
of
that,
we
have
interpreted
councils
direction,
not
to
require
us
to
to
seek
recovery
from
those
officers.
E
No,
that's
that's
helpful
clarification.
Thank
you
for
that.
The
one
piece
that
I'm
interested
in
exploring
is
on
page
3,
going
back
to
our
fiscal
framework
that
the
framework
includes
a
financial
argument
for
user
fees
and
service
charges
and
establishes
financial
targets,
including
and
I'll
go
to
third
bullet
services
that
provide
a
community
or
commandeered
are
to
recover
between
20%
and
80%
of
capital
and
operating
costs.
E
How
are
we
defining
a
community
good
in
this
case,
a
community,
our
common
good
I,
think
the
multiplier
on
Bluesfest,
for
example,
is
you
know
in
the
in
the
tens
of
millions
of
dollars
that
that
brings
into
the
city
employment,
for
our
people,
cultural
quality
of
life
considerations?
How
do
we
determine
when
a
event
is
providing
a
common
good.
A
E
Mean
obviously
my
position
is
that
charging
these
festivals,
that
we
increase
the
quality
of
life
for
our
residents
increase
our
prosperity
is
a
common
good
for
the
not-for-profit
events.
I
think
I'd
be
looking
to
charging
them
something
for
additional
transit
costs
other
than
the
full
cost
of
what
we
have
to
do,
not
to
mention
the
impact
on
OC
Transpo.
E
If
you
are
into
providing
the
service
that
people
expect
when
they're
leaving
for
more
games
or
bar
Haven
to
get
to
the
show
downtown,
we're
just
driving
people
to
want
to
take
the
car
or
for
hire
vehicles,
etcetera,
so
I'm,
looking
forward
to
taking
a
look
at
the
budget
next
year,
but
appreciate
the
response
to
my
original
inquiry.
Thank
you
very
much
for
that.
C
A
We're
doing
well-
and
it's
been
difficult
though,
because
you
know
there
was
a
bit
of
we
can
give
free,
busses
out
and
so
forth.
So
you
just
saw
this
Syrian
refugee
program
was
a
chartered
out
and
we've
been
innovative
in
a
great
staff
volunteer.
So
if
we
have
a
volunteer
driver
for
a
particular
event
that
lowers
the
charter
rate
and
so
forth,
so
overall
I
think
we're
doing
well.
But
it's
been
a
bit
of
rough
ride
because
we've
had
to
say
no
to
a
lot
of
requests
from
from
the
community
from
Council
and.
C
One
of
the
things
the
report,
references
and
I-
don't
remember
the
exact
pages
you
talk
about
how
certain
festivals,
for
example,
or
receive
city
money
through
another
source
they
receive
a
grant
or
what
have
you
I?
Think
Blues
Fest
would
fall
into
that
category.
For
example,
in
some
of
the
other
festivals.
Is
there
a
way
internally
to
make
sure
that
grant
money
goes
back
to
the
city?
If
you
follow
me,
if
so
that
we,
we
have
a
smoother
way
for
a
flow-through
payment
to
OC
Transpo.
C
So
if
you
get
a
grant
towards
your
festival
of
X
and
the
additional
cost
for
C
transpose
Y
that
there's
a
flow
through
mechanism,
so
that
would
go
straight
from
one
city
department.
If
you
will
to
another
city
department,
would
that
assist
you
in
getting
over
some
of
those
humps,
as
you
describe
them?
I
think.
A
A
There
is
a
very
firm
process
in
there
that
the
city
in
general
can't
won't
commit
to
services
until
there's
deposit
checks
and
so
forth
from
from
festival,
organizers,
and
so
our
position
will
be
exactly
what
you're
talking
about
that.
If
we're
in
that
mix,
there's
got
to
be
a
commitment
that
things
flow
through
I'm.
C
I
I
I
A
The
word
sponsorship
gets
used
a
lot.
We
tried
from
many
many
years
to
get
sponsors
for
Canada
Day
and
for
New
Year's,
Eve
and
Canada
day.
There
was
years
we'd
get
a
partial
sponsor.
You
recall
we
used
to
have
Canada
Day
only
for
the
exit
of
fireworks
event
confuse
the
heck
out
of
people.
We
didn't
get
the
ridership
we
wanted.
So
what
we
do
for
Canada
Day
is
we
reduce
our
marketing
budget
and
we
fund
it
through
that
New
Year's
Eve
same
thing.
A
Everybody
tells
me
that
their
sponsors
for
New
Year's,
Eve
we've
gone
out
to
market
multiple
times.
We
can't
seem
to
get
people
that
want
to
sponsor
we've
had
partial
sponsorship,
but
full
sponsorship
when
you
put
up
the
the
costs
associated
with
that,
we
haven't
been
successful
in
that
regard,
but
I'll
keep
saying
what
I
said
over
and
over
again.
I
I
I
G
I
Other
point
of
that,
some
of
these
things,
which
are
doing
out
for
the
community
good
that
maybe
should
be
a
separate
fund
within
the
city
it.
Why
should
it
go
against
the
operating
budget
of
OC
Transpo
if
it's
actually
a
service
to
the
community,
as
opposed
to
the
direct
service
that
you're
there
for
which
is
to
transport
people
in
Louis,
suppose
it?
It
is
transporting
people,
but
it's
not
a
normal
transportation
of
people,
whether
they
shouldn't
be
just
as
we
anything
else.
I
A
But
you
have
to
remember
that
we're
doing
less
and
less
of
these
because
we're
doing
what
councils
directed
us
to
do
that
we're
doing
cost
recovery,
we're
saying
no
to
free
free
charters,
we're
saying
no
to
someone
calling
us
up
and
saying
I've
got
a
great
community
event.
Can
you
please
give
us
a
free
bus
so
we're
not
driving
up
the
cost
for
the
taxpayers
or
for
the
for
for
the
fares,
but.
I
A
A
More
and
also
importantly,
is
after
new
year
in
Canada
Day,
when
we
used
to
have
these
strange
hours
of
when
the
service
would
be
out
there.
We
get
flooded
with
complaints
in
the
last
three
years
in
Canada.
Today
we
haven't
had
any
complaints,
because
if
we
simplified
the
service
and
it's
very
positive
for
the
brand
and
it's
very
positive
for
for
the
community,
thank.
I
E
Chair
and
I'm
thinking
out
loud,
which
I
probably
shouldn't
do,
but
if
mr.
Monaghan
is
listening,
mr.
man
Kony,
would
you
be
willing
to
consider
something?
That's
a
little
different.
For
example,
we've
heard
about
the
volunteer
hours
that
your
operator
have
put
in
for
some
of
the
causes
of
belay.
Believe
in
is
there
the
potential
that
a
festival
like
Blues
Fest,
for
example,
could
reduce
its
cost
by
offering
response
to
volunteer
operators.
Sit-Ins
are
something
that
OC
chance
would
be
happy
to
facilitate
as
I.
A
Told
mr.
Monahan
were
open
to
any
idea:
we've
done
innovative
things
with
the
Senators
to
reduce
costs,
and
we
had
a
lot
of
media
attention
on
it.
In
the
years
we
used
to
get
tickets
for
the
operators
in
lieu
of
overtime,
which
is
cheaper
for
the
city
and
that
that
used
to
be
a
news
story
every
year,
we're
open
to
all
kinds
of
things,
and
we
have
corporate
rules
that
we
will
follow
in
that
regard,
the.
E
The
additional
costs
I
think
there's
an
inequity
and
not
pursuing
the
the
non
direct
costs
of
operators
to
settle
for
things
like
waste
weekend,
where
you
have
the
the
big
detours
that
you
need
to
do.
That's
obviously
a
significant
expense
for
for
OC
Transpo,
but
when
you
are
calculating
the
incremental
cost
of
additional
transit,
what
percentages
operator
cost
as
a
percentage
of
the
incremental
the.
A
G
G
At
the
same
time,
members
of
this
commission
members
of
council
have
tried
to
introduce
motions
and
and
programs
which
would
have
dramatically
increased
property
taxes
for
middle-class
families
and
so
I
find
the
hypocrisy
at
the
moment
quite
appalling.
Is
this
item
received
received?
Thank
you.
Very
much
item
is
the
the
inquiry
regarding
the
low-income
transit
pass
which
was
lifted
on
the
agenda?
Mr.
Mahoney
I
believe
you
have
a
presentation?
G
J
J
We
want
to
start
by
putting
the
question
of
low-income
discounts.
It
discounts
on
transit,
fares
for
low-income
customers
and
the
context
that
the
City
of
Ottawa
currently
provides
financial
support
for
transportation
costs
for
approximately
22,000
over
31,000,
low-income
residents,
who
are
transit
customers.
J
Excuse
me
for
the
calculations
are
in
this
response.
We've
used
the
definition
of
the
low-income
cutoff,
which
comes
from
Statistics
Canada
defined
as
an
income
threshold
at
which
families
are
expected
to
send,
spend
at
20
percentage
points
more
than
the
average
family
on
food,
shelter
and
clothing,
and
that's
calculated
differently
for
each
city
across
the
country
and
differently
for
different
types
of
families.
J
The
only
large
city
that
has
a
low
income
discount
currently
in
place
in
Canada
is
Calgary
where
they
sell
a
low
income
pass
at
a
55%
discount
from
their
full
fair
pass,
very
similar
to
Ottawa,
there's
115,000
people
eligible
and
there's
20
2,600
people
who
currently
purchase
those
passes
like
we
have
calculated
here.
Their
definition
is
the
customers.
Incomes
are
below
the
low
income.
J
Cutoff
Calgary
estimates
that
that
discount
has
cost
five
point:
five
million
in
reduced
revenue,
not
counting
their
administrative
costs,
to
support
the
system
and
that's
funded
a
hundred
percent
currently
from
their
municipal
tax
levy.
We
also
talked
to
our
colleagues
at
Edmonton
transit,
where
they
were
considering
something
similar,
but
in
the
time
between
when
we
talked
to
them
and
now
they're
council
has
decided
not
to
implement
the
low
income
discussion.
There
was
also
some
discussion
in
Toronto
and
their
consideration
has
not
progressed
as
far
as
ours
has.
J
One
of
the
funding
sources
for
people
with
low
incomes
is
Ontario
Works,
a
financial
support
and
employment
assistance
program
for
people
in
financial
need
who
are
actively
looking
for
employment.
This
is
currently
funded
94%
by
the
province
6%
by
the
city
on
track
to
be
a
hundred
percent
funded
by
the
province
in
2018.
J
So
when
we
look
at
all
of
the
31,000
customers
who
have
incomes
below
the
low
income
cutoff,
some
of
those
customers
are
now
our
seniors
and
are
receiving
the
discount.
That's
available
to
seniors.
We
calculate
about
thirty-six
hundred
of
the
seniors.
Customers
are
low-income
customers
as
well.
So
that's
an
overlap
between
the
two,
the
two
groups,
approximately
fifty
four
hundred
customers
with
low
incomes
because
they
are
certified
because
they're
owed
ESP
recipients
receive
the
community
pass,
purchased.
J
The
community
pass
and
approximately
fifty
four
hundred
of
the
customers
who
either
purchase
a
student
pass
directly
from
OC
Transpo
or
you
passed
through
their
college
or
university,
are
low
income
customers
as
well,
and
then,
as
I
said
earlier,
7900
customers
who
are
receiving
a
financial
benefit
offset
the
cost
of
their
transportation
through
Ontario
Works.
So
when
you
add
all
those
customers
up,
you
get
to
22,000
out
of
the
31,000
who
already
receive
financial
support,
and
that
leaves
out
a
little
less
than
9,000
low-income
customers
who
don't
currently
receive
a
discount
or
a
reimbursement.
J
4,100.
Those
customers
pay
single
ride
fares
as
they
travel
at
about
4700
of
these
customers
by
monthly
passes.
Now,
even
within
that
number
of
8,800,
some
of
these
customers
may
be
receiving
other
financial
systems
other
than
those
programs
we
listed
earlier.
There
are
tickets
and
passes
or
to
purchase
from
OC
Transpo
by
different
community
support
agencies
who
then
distribute
them
to
their
clients
who
are
in
need.
So
there
may
be
some
of
these
8,800
customers
who
are
receiving
support
in
other
ways.
J
So,
to
go
back
to
the
discounts
that
are
available
today,
student
fares,
the
seniors,
fares
and
community
pass-
are
all
discounts
off
the
full
fare
available
to
people
who
who
fall
into
those
customer
groups,
some
of
whom
are
low-income
customers.
So
there's
sixteen
point:
three
million
dollars
in
funding
from
property
taxes.
That's
going
right
now
to
provide
these
various
discounts,
and
that's
shown
on
this
page
here.
J
There's
four
point:
nine
million
going
to
provide
the
discount
for
seniors
passes
a
million
dollars
a
year
for
free
wednesdays
for
seniors
a
million
dollars
a
year
for
seniors
single
ride,
fares
two
and
a
half
million
dollars
a
year.
That's
going
to
provide
the
discounts
on
student
passes
that
are
sold
to
the
school
boards
about
a
million
dollars
for
student
passes
that
are
sold
directly
to
customers
or
customers.
Parents,
a
very
small
amount,
that's
going
to
provide
the
community
pass
price
to
para;
transfer
registrants
who
are
not
ODSP
recipients
and
then
5.7
million
dollar.
For.
J
People
who
purchase
the
community
pass
and
qualify
because
they
receive
ODSP
from
the
province.
So
that's
sixteen
point
three
million
dollars
which
is
going
to
provide
these
discounts.
Some
of
those
customers
are
low-income.
Some
are
not
with
a
some
are,
are
not
low-income
but
still
fall
into
those
groups.
J
So
we
looked
at
a
number
of
ways
that
discounts
could
be
offered
to
the
low-income
customers
who
aren't
covered
in
other
ways.
If
council
were
to
decide
to
do
so,
and
we
modelled
it
first
of
all
on
our
two
basic
rates
that
the
rate
of
the
discount
rate
of
twenty
four
percent
that's
offered
to
two
students
and
the
discount
rate
of
sixty
two
sixty
three
percent-
that's
currently
offered
to
seniors
at
ODSP
recipients
and
on
the
base.
J
We
worked
with
our
colleagues
at
the
community
and
Social
Services
Department
to
find
out
how
we
could
do
this
most
readily
and
the
method
we
we
determined
is
that
customers
would
apply
at
COC
transport
customer
service
centers
at
the
transit
stations,
that
our
staff
would
then
take
approximately
one
week
to
check
in
with
community
and
Support
Services
staff
to
make
sure
that
they
aren't
receiving
their
discount
in
another
way.
People
would
then
be
able
to
come
back
and
get
their
their
presto
card
encoded
with
with
the
discount.
J
We
estimate
that
there's
a
one-time
cost
to
bring
those
customers
in
the
first
time
we're
about
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
extra
staff
time
and
after
that,
when
we're
in
a
routine
we'd,
be
able
to
cover
it
within
the
addition
to
the
the
regular
costs
at
our
customer
service
centers.
But
we
need
to
recognize
that
it's
also
putting
pressure
on
the
staffing
levels
out
of
the
community
and
support
service,
the
community
of
social
services
department
and
that
that
plus
other
work
could
at
some
point
trigger
the
need
for
more
staff.
J
So
if
that
discount
were
provided
to
those
low-income
customers,
except
those
who
currently
receive
funding
through
Ontario
Works,
and
if
it
were
twenty
four
percent
discount,
the
cost
would
be
about
1.3
million
dollars
per
year
into
a
62
percent
discount.
The
cost
would
be
3.3
million
dollars
a
year.
If
we
include
Ontario
Works
customers,
the
costs
would
be
about
two
point
five
times
higher
than
three
point:
three
million
dollars
for
the
at
the
twenty
four
percent
discount
above
eight
point
three
million
for
the
sixty
two
percent
discount.
J
G
B
I
am
as
a
part
of
calories,
City
for
all
Women's,
Initiative
and
part
of
the
healthy
transit
Coalition
and
a
resident
of
Ottawa.
Thank
you
for
listening
to
us
speak
today.
I
am
here
because
I
believe
that
public
transportation
is
an
important,
essential
service
and
should
be
affordable
for
everyone,
including
youth,
the
elderly,
people
with
a
disability
and
the
working
poor.
B
Know
we
have
many
members
who
succeed
when
we
have
access
to
transit,
for
instance,
they
can
go
to
job
fairs,
she's
shopping
access,
services
for
their
children
and
much
more
I
know
of
people
in
our
membership
that
wouldn't
even
have
to
take
out
a
payday
loan
to
buy
a
bus
pass.
This
shouldn't
be
happening
in
our
city.
This
is
an
example
of
what
it
means
to
be
low-income
and
go
from
paycheck
to
paycheck
and
getting
further
into
debt
without
access
to
transit,
tenant
area
cities,
Cornell
Elliot,
Lake,
Guelph,
Halton,
Region,
Hamilton,
Kingston
Peterborough.
B
B
More
than
41
organizations
support
the
low
income
transit
pass.
Plus
2,400
people
have
signed
a
petition
online
and
on
paper
we
urge
you
to
vote
YES
for
a
low
income
transit
pass.
You
could
help
thousands
of
residents
who
are
working
poor
or
seniors
or
generally
low
income.
Families
access
better
food,
for
instance,
in
my
neighborhood,
which
is
Mechanicsville.
B
G
K
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
okay,
thank
you
very
much
for
coming
today.
I
note
on
the
pages
aren't
numbered,
but
the
light
go
cut
off
and
income
threshold
at
which
families
are
expected
to
spend
20%
touch
points
above
the
average
family
on
food,
shelter,
clothing
it
excludes
transportation
is,
it
does,
is
a
corne
lobbying
or
trying
to
get
the
federal
to
change?
That
definition.
K
Thank
you,
I
and
I.
Don't
know
if
you
can
answer
this.
According
to
the
current
statistic
hundred
and
forty
five
thousand
people
below
the
like
o
cutoff
and
thirty-one
thousand
of
those
are
OC
Transpo
customers,
and
we
know
from
the
report
how
22
thousand
are
getting
are
being
subsidized
to
a
certain
extent,
the
other
hundred
and
fourteen
thousand
people
can
you
sensitize
us
to
how
they're
getting
around
to
their
the
transportation
habits?
Well,.
B
I
can
only
speak
for
myself.
Okay,
if
I
don't
have
the
money
to
get
around.
My
bus
I
usually
use
my
wheelchair
to
get
around
and
that
can
be
quite
cumbersome
in
the
winter
wind
says.
You
know
the
streets
are
plowed
and
as
good
as
we'd
like
to
or
if
there's
freezing
rain
hits
there
could
be
obstacles
like
construction.
B
B
Because
we
can't
afford
it,
so
they
can't
get
access
to
services
even
to
go
to
your
local
food
bank,
there's
so
many
kilometers
away.
I
know
where
I
live
in
mechanic's.
Well,
it
would
be
very
hard
for
me
to
use
my
walker
and
walk
to
a
local
food
bank,
because
it's
just
too
far
for
me
to
go
so
these
are
examples
of
obstacles
that
many
of
our
members
deal
with
on
a
day
to
day
basis,
even
myself,
it's
a
challenge
every
day
is
a
challenge.
Thank.
C
Thank
you
very
much.
Two
quick
questions.
You've
seen
the
presentation
now
and
I
am
absolutely
certain.
You
read
the
report
when
it
came
out
in
terms
of
the
demographics.
If
you
will
the
numbers
that
the
report
speaks
to
the
number
of
people
on
accessible
to
particular
programs,
the
number
of
people
who
fall
below
the
line.
Do
you
concur
with
with
the
numbers
that
OC
Transpo
does
acorn
concur
what
those
numbers
are
they
accurate
from
from
your
perspective
of
working
at
the
same
problem,
not
the
dollars,
but
the
number
of
the
number
of
people.
B
C
Fair
enough,
the
other
question
is
is
through
you
to
to
mr.
Marconi
very
quickly
because
it
I
think
it's
time.
Well,
you
spoke
about
the
the
top
up.
It
was
the
last
comment
you
made.
The
presentation
didn't
really
speak
to
the
to
the
top
up,
but
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
mr.
Marconi
is
or
not,
is
there
not
a
process
going
forward
with
with
regard
to
the
top
up
as
well.
C
G
E
Chair
thanks
much
more
time
for
your
presentation,
a
couple
of
items
just
forward
to
follow
up
on
the
forces
with
respect
to
mechanics
will
and
access
to
healthy
food,
you've
described
very
well.
You
know
one
of
the
most
affordable
places
to
go
is
going
to
be
Brian
food
basics.
If
you
don't
have
access
to
that.
E
What
do
you
see
is
the
difference
between
being
able
to
shop
at
you
know,
using
transit
at
a
grocery
store
like
a
super
store
or
a
Food
Basics
versus
what
is
available
within
walking
distance,
which
is
the
Hintonburg
market
of
the
Giant
Tiger?
Does
it
make
a
difference
if
you
have
some
food
choices
available
within
walking
distance,
but
is
there
a
difference.
B
B
B
B
E
Of
the
transit
is
is
a
precondition
to
getting
food
daycare
employment
being
able
to
get
around
the
city.
One
of
the
items
said:
I,
don't
think.
We've
talked
about
a
lot
is
access
to
that
other
major
form
of
social
inclusion,
which
is
recreation
right
plant
bath
Dovercourt.
Are
they
accessible
to
people
in
your
neighborhood
who
don't
have
access
to
affordable
transit.
B
B
E
B
M
B
M
H
Thank
you,
Miss
Burton.
Thank
you
for
attending
today
and
I
think
it's
important
that
we
hear
all
these
use.
Just
one
very
quick
question
for
you.
We
have
heard
that
approximately
seven
thousand
nine
hundred
customers
that
are
below
the
like
o
do
receive
a
financial
benefit
through
their
participation,
Ontario
Works
I.
Understand,
though,
that
that
benefit
is
time
limited
to
approximately
six
months.
I'm
just
wondering
if
acorn
has
any
experience
with
what
the
effect
is
when
that
benefit
no
longer
continues.
G
L
L
L
It
is
part
of
the
fact,
but
it
is
just
as
important
a
transportation
method
for
those
who
cannot
afford
a
car
who
cannot
drive
a
color,
that's
really
important,
and
that's
part
of
the
reason
why
we
need
an
system
that
just
doesn't
just
operate
as
it
seems
to,
as
our
system
seems,
to
operate
between
like
7
o'clock
and
10
o'clock,
if
you're
lucky
it
needs
to
be
wider.
The
low-income
bus
pass.
L
G
H
Just
one
question
very
quickly:
you
mentioned
that
for
low
income
individuals,
it's
not
just
about
transit
to
work
and
back,
although
it
would
not
be
an
optimum
solution.
What
would
your
response
be
to,
for
example,
an
off
PA
pass
that
was
only
available
at
off-peak
times?
Would
that
be
helpful,
or
is
that
too
much
of
an
imperfect
solution?
H
L
G
M
So
thanks
very
much
mr.
chair
and
respected
members
of
this
commission,
my
name's
Trevor
I'm,
the
elected
board,
president
of
the
healthy
transportation
coalition,
which
is
a
coalition
of
24
organizations
and
over
100
individual
members.
We've
been
working
since
last
year
with
a
group
of
primarily
women
who
are
struggling
with
poverty
to
try
to
get
this
item
on
the
agenda.
Many
of
them
are
single
mothers
and
we're
glad
that
the
city
and
and
this
commission
is
taking
the
issue
seriously.
M
We'd
also
like
to
urge
the
city
to
seriously
consider
a
single
fare
option,
so
there's
many
people
who,
frankly
just
won't
be
able
to
afford
4175
a
month,
but
they
need
to
use
the
bus
on
occasion,
and
so,
if
they're
able
to
qualify
for
the
monthly
version,
it
would
seem
to
me
and
others
to
be
a
fairly
simple
process
to
allow
them
to
get
a
single
fare
option
as
well.
Some
of
them
just
won't
be
able
to
spend
that
type
of
money
because
they
don't
ride
the
bus
enough
to
justify
$42
a
month.
M
M
It's
important
to
note
that
the
staff
report
did
not
that
there
are
ten
municipalities
in
Ontario
that
already
have
a
low-income
transit
pass
or
some
version
of
a
low
income
transit
passed.
Those
are
Cornwall,
Elliot,
Lake,
Guelph,
Halton,
Region,
Hamilton,
Kingston,
Peterborough,
Waterloo,
Windsor
and
York
Region
Toronto,
as
was
mentioned,
is
currently
studying
it
as
part
of
its
poverty
reduction
strategy.
M
I
was
talking
to
the
policy
lead
working
on
that
for
the
City
of
Toronto
last
week,
and
he
told
me
that
it's
going
to
the
TTC
board
of
directors
for
a
conversation
and
decision
before
the
end
of
this
month,
so
there'll
be
some
news
about
that.
I'm
told
they're
also
seriously
looking
into
the
idea
of
a
single
fare
option.
In
addition
to
the
monthly
pass
across
Canada,
though
Edmonton
and
Calgary
were
the
only
cities
it
seems
we're
mentioned.
M
So
there
is
a
precedent
for
this,
and
municipalities
across
the
country
are
demonstrating
that
it
can
be
done.
There
are
various
benefits,
as
has
been
mentioned,
of
affordable
public
transportation
and
helps
people
contribute
to
society.
More
people
can
be
more
engaged
as
citizens.
They
can
get
to
work
more
easily
volunteer
commitments.
They
can
get
to
school
if
they're
part-time,
for
example,
and
they
don't
qualify
for
the
you
pass.
It
obviously
would
reduce
social
isolation
if
people
were
able
to
get
out
more
often
using
the
great
public
transportation
system
encourages
more
inclusion.
M
The
pass
should
be
designed
to
benefit
all
people
whose
income
is
less
than
the
low-income
cutoff,
as
defined
by
Statistics
Canada.
Forty
six
organizations
have
endorsed
that
petition,
including
13
community
associations,
groups
that
are
concerned
with
homelessness,
including
women's
shelters
and
anti-poverty
groups.
The
union
that
OC
transpose
workers
are
part
of,
or
members
of,
QP
local
5580.
U
local,
279
they've
also
endorsed
13
community
health
and
resource
centers.
Every
single
one
of
those
has
endorsed
refugee
students,
senior
cyclists,
pedestrian
environmental
groups.
M
So
there's
a
wide
spectrum
of
support
for
the
city
moving
in
this
direction,
we
urge
you
to
make
it
an
urgent
priority.
As
you
know,
July
1st,
the
situation
is
going
to
be
made
worse,
so
OC
Transpo
under
the
direction
of
this
Commission
and
City
Council,
is
set
to
raise
fares
again
as
of
July
1st,
so
that
will
put
a
further
burden
on
people
who
are
already
being
burdened
by
not
being
able
to
ride
the
bus
or
the
transit
system.
So
this
is
something
that
needs
to
be
dealt
with
as
quickly
as
possible.
M
Certainly
not
at
my
fingers
at
the
moment,
but
we
have
done
research
on
I'd
be
happy
to
share
it
with
committee
members.
The
the
level
of
the
discount
varies
in
some
cases.
It
is
you
know,
in
the
sixty
two
percent
range,
which
staff
has
sort
of
put
forward
as
one
of
the
recommendations
in
the
report,
in
other
cases
is
not
as
high
as
that.
Thank
you,
I
think.
M
You
know
it
probably
would
be
a
good
idea
to
send
what
we've
been
able
to
gather
in
terms
of
information
to
all
the
committee
members
I'd
be
happy
to
do
that.
I
know
that
we
did
circulate
it
to
those
members
who
we've
had
a
chance
to
meet
with.
So
the
chair,
for
example,
and
others
has
information
that
we've
compiled
it.
I
M
M
M
I
M
Similar
to
Ottawa,
you
know,
there's
different
discounts
that
are
offered
depending
on
your
status,
whether
you're,
a
full-time
student
or
senior
on
Ontario,
Disability,
Support,
Programme,
payments,
I,
wouldn't
say:
there's
necessarily
consistency,
but
there
is
a
variety
of
sort
of
flexible
approaches
being
used.
They.
M
A
couple
caveats
before
I
list
some
ideas
we
haven't
as
a
community
like
I
said:
we've
got
46
organizations
and
2,400
and
five
the
individuals
that
have
signed
a
petition.
We
haven't,
as
a
community,
been
able
to
come
to
any
community
consensus
related
to
that,
and
so
we
would
urge
the
city
to
consult
with
community
members
urgently
on
what
some
of
the
best
approaches
are
on
how
to
pay
for
it.
M
Perhaps
this
would
be
a
interesting
opportunity
to
use
a
ranked
ballot
approach
so,
for
example,
ten
ideas
could
be
presented
through
an
online
and
paper
survey,
for
example,
and
people
could
be
asked
to
rank
their
preferred
choices
one
through
ten.
Ultimately,
of
course,
it's
City
Council's
decision
to
make,
and
we
would
urge
the
city
to
use
the
equity
and
inclusion
lens
with
great
enthusiasm
to
ensure
a
fair
and
equitable
equitable
decision
is
made.
M
The
other
options
that
we
have
is
to
sort
of
try
to
reprioritize
funding
away
from
the
of
Transportation
that
the
city
says
it
has
policies
that
is
trying
to
discourage.
So
the
city
says
it
wants
to
encourage
people
to
ride
the
bus
more
and
and
bike
more
and
walk
more,
and
so
maybe
we
could
try
to
seek
support
from
the
province
to
reprioritize
funding,
away
from
road,
widening
and
new
road
projects
and
instead
direct
that
money
toward
making
the
public
transit
system
more
affordable.
M
The
city
could
look
to
increase
parking
fees
at
city-owned
parking
lots
and
for
on
street
parking.
One
idea
that
one
of
our
members
wrote
about
in
the
Ottawa
Citizen
they
may
have
been
last
year.
The
year
before
was
the
idea
of
judgment
nominal
fee
at
the
city's
Park
&
Ride
facilities
a
dollar
a
day
to
park
their
private
automobiles,
for
example.
M
I,
don't
think
it
would
I
own
a
car
and
I'd
be
willing
to
pay
a
dollar
a
day,
and
then
maybe
you
know
a
least
desirable
option
would
be
to
reprioritize
some
of
the
funding
away
from
you
know
the
transportation
allowance
that
the
mayor
and
councillors
have
access
to
and
make
the
public
transit
system
more
affordable
for
those
who
can't
afford
to
currently
get
on
the
bus.
Okay,.
I
C
Chris
chair
had
Sorenson
as
some
of
the
questions
I
was
going
to
that's
sort
of
what
the
what
the
ideas
might
be.
If
I
can
expand
on
that
a
little
bit
list
that
you
have
up
there
and
the
cities
that
you've
indicated
already
have
it
do
any
of
them
use
those
approaches
to
to
fund
their
at
their
programs
and
if
they
don't,
how
do
they
fund
their
programs.
I
think.
M
It
would
probably
without
being
an
expert
on
the
situation
in
other
cities,
be
fair
to
say
that
there
are
some
cities
that
are
being
a
little
bit
more
aggressive
with
regard
to
how
much
they're
funding
the
public
transportation
system
through
property,
tax
levies,
for
example.
I.
Don't
know,
for
example,
that
Ottawa's
50/50
goal
is,
is
the
sort
of
cream
of
the
crop
across
the
country?
I
would
suspect
that
there
are
other
cities
that
are
charging
more
in
terms
of
the
transit
levy,
so.
M
Yeah
right
in
Calgary,
where
they
have
a
living
from
transit
past
my
understanding
and
like
I,
said
I'm,
not
an
expert.
Perhaps
staff
would
be
more
well-positioned
to
answer
this
question.
I
think
they
have
a
higher
sort
of
percent
than
the
50/50
goal.
That
Ottawa
has
to
help
make
transit
and
other
services
more
accessible
to
folks.
I
would
suspect
highly
that
there
are
cities
across
the
country
that
are
charging
more
for
parking
fees
than
Ottawa.
Is
it's
my
understanding
that
Ottawa
has
not
increased
fees
related
to
parking
for
quite
some
time
and
I
know.
M
Ottawa
has
a
gold
pass
program
for
the
park-and-ride,
for
example,
so
that's
a
guaranteed
parking
spot
at
Park
&
Ride
facilities.
Perhaps
that
could
be
expanded.
There
are
certainly
a
lot
of
people
that
use
the
park
and
ride
facility
that
don't
actually
live
in
Ottawa,
and
so
not
only
are
they
not
contributing
taxpayers
to
the
cost
of
you
know,
building
and
maintaining
those
Park
and
Ride
Lots,
but
they're
also
not
contributing
a
transit
levy
to
get
on
the
bus
every
day
as
property
tax
payers.
C
The
cities
you
indicate
it
and
that
you're
going
to
share
with
with
council
members
that
have
the
system
are
we
comparing
apples
and
apples?
Are
we
comparing
apples
to
oranges
and
by
that
those
various
cities?
Do
they
also
have
a
discount
fare
for
seniors?
Do
they
also
of
free
days
for
seniors?
Do
they
have
you
pass?
M
For
example,
in
Halton
Region
they
do
have
a
subsidized
pass
for
low-income
transit
users.
It
covers
50%
or
more
of
the
total
cost
of
the
transit
pass.
It's
available
to
adults,
seniors
high
school
students
who
demonstrate
eligibility
based
on
low
income
in
Hamilton.
They
have
income
passes
that
are
available
to
low-income
residents
of
the
city,
who
are
employed
and
are
between
the
ages
of
eighteen
and
so
I
understand.
C
Everyone's
saying
is
to
have
all
the
other
discounted
programs
that
that
mr.
Mack
onehans
team
was
set
out
in
the
report.
Do
they
have
a
you
pass?
Do
they
have
a
community
pass?
They
have
seniors
discounts.
You
have
all
those
things
that
already
has
and
in
addition,
they
have
what
you're
asking
for,
or
do
they
have,
what
you're
asking
for
as
an
alternative
to
all
those
things,
I.
C
We're
making
here
trouble
weather
as
I
say
it's
it's
interesting
information,
but
is
it
apples
to
oranges
or
is
it
you're
saying
other
cities
are
doing
everything
Ottawa
is
doing
and
had
more
right?
Are
you
saying
that
overseas
you're
doing
it
differently
from
Ottawa
and
that's
important
information
fraud.
M
M
It's
always
hard
to
do
apples
to
oranges
comparisons,
because
the
cities
are
different
sizes,
they've
got
different
financial
situations,
but,
like
I
said,
in
some
cases
the
cities
are
giving
a
variety
of
discounts
to
a
variety
of
different
people
and
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
that
Ottawa
can
learn
from
what
these
other
cities
are
doing
and
hopefully
move
to
make
the
system
more
equitable
and
inclusive.
Well
again,
if
you
can,
if.
C
C
C
M
Consider
just
to
offer
through
you
mr.
chair
point
of
clarification:
I
don't
represent
organizations,
but
46
organizations
have
endorsed
the
call
that's
being
made
to
the
city
to
bring
in
a
low
income
transit
pass.
It
may
be
that
you
know
some
of
those
organizations.
I
know
I'm
a
personal
member
of
Ottawa
acorn.
They
have
something
like
15,000
low
income,
folks
that
are
members
at
this
point,
I
don't
think.
We've
discussed
that
idea
that
you've
just
presented
we'd
have
to
sort
of
go
back
and
think
about
it.
M
But
my
sense
is
that
Ottawa
is
given
careful
consideration
to
whether
or
not
it
can.
You
know
bring
more
fairness
and
equity
to
the
transit
structure.
There's
going
to
be
a
decision
made
in
a
month's
time
and
we,
the
low-income
transit,
pass
to
be
prioritized
when
that
decision
is
made
in
a
month
from
now
and
we're
asking
the
city
to
create
this.
Low-Income
transit
pass
and
I'm
sorry,
but
we
just
haven't
had
the
time
to
consider
what
you're
proposing
here
today.
Okay.
C
All
I'm
asking
is
to
think
about
it:
I'm
just
trying
to
put
as
many
ideas
out
there
as
possible
and
again
the
you
know,
we're
talking
eight
or
ten
thousand
people
that
that
potentially
need
this
pass.
Then
there's
a
lot
of
synergy
there
and
they
access
a
lot
of
different
organizations
and
again
I'm
not
putting
words
in
John's
mouth
I'm,
just
putting
that
out
there
for
management.
Also,
we
have
that
particulate
a
little
bit
in
their
heads
as
to
whether
that's
that's
a
doable
thing
or
not.
So
thank
you.
G
A
G
E
E
Say
a
return
on
investment,
so
I
have
not
had
an
opportunity
to
read
in
that
film.
That
study.
Can
you
put
some
color
first
of
all
around
that
that
$6
ly
is
and
then
I'm
really
curious
as
to
what
how
many
of
those
six
dollars
are
costs
that
are
currently
sitting
on
the
state's
books.
So,
for
example,
if
you
generate
additional
revenue
from
having
access
to
transit
that
derives
from
wage
income,
that
can
be
thought
of,
as
potentially
replacing
socialist
systems
right.
How
many
of
those
six
dollars
do?
E
M
It's
a
very
detailed
and
important
question.
Unfortunately,
I
just
pulled
this
quote
off
this
mayor
Mississauga's
website
this
morning
and
that's
about
the
level
of
detail
that
I'm,
aware
of
as
as
what's
quoted,
there
I
suspect
that
they'd
be
happy
to
provide
the
City
of
Ottawa
with
more
information,
but
I
can
tell
you
anecdotally
that
I
was
listening
to
one
of
the
wonderful
people
that
have
been
helping
us
this
morning
on
CBC
Radio
talked
about
her
situation,
in
which
she,
you
know,
would
like
to
work
in
the
past.
M
She's
held
part-time
employment
and
had
to
unfortunately
decide
not
to
go
to
work
on
certain
days
when
she
granted
the
money,
and
so
it
was
a
catch-22
Lisa's
here
with
us
today,
and
she
spoke
about
how
that
led
to
her
making
less
money
that
month
or
that
week
and
then
again
it
was
like
a
vicious
cycle.
She
couldn't
afford
the
bus
the
next
time
her
paycheck
came
along
because
there
was
less
money
on
her
paycheck.
M
You
know,
also
volunteer
more
and
basically
contribute
to
society
more
and
contribute
taxes
as
a
result
of
working
more
and
so
there's
a
tremendous
return
and-
and
like
you
were
saying,
there
are
other
ways
that
these
people
are
being
supported
by
governments
at
different
levels
and
if
we're
able
to
help
them
get
out
the
door
get
on
the
bus
and
get
to
their
job.
They're
gonna
be
needing
less
of
those
supports,
as
time
goes
on
and
they're
able
to
get
on
their
feet.
M
E
Some
of
that
is
new
revenue
in
a
system
or
new
economic
activity,
and
some
of
that
is
going
to
be
removing
burden
off
of
of
government
books.
One
of
the
numbers
that
struck
me
in
the
city's
Rosso
transpose
report.
There
are
forty
one
hundred
customers
who
all
bought
broadly
characterized
is
working
poor
who
are
currently
using
a
single
ride
ticket,
whereas
there
are
forty,
seven
hundred
who
are
using
passes
from
their
work
in
the
sphere.
E
M
It
needs
to
be
designed
for
people
who
are
using
the
bus
a
lot
and
can't
afford
the
forty
one
dollars
and
seventy
five
cents
a
month
for
the
the
discounted
Monthly
Pass,
but
it
also
needs
to
be
like
we
talked
about
the
single
fare
option
for
those
that
cannot
afford
to
put
out
that
type
of
money
just
because
they
can't
justify
it
on
their
fixed
income.
So
I
think
that,
given
serious
consideration
to
that
idea,
sort
of
the
two-pronged
solution
and
I
would
hope.
Ottawa
would
fantastic.
E
Because
it's
it's
more
than
just
access
to
employment,
it's
more
than
just
going
through
a
nine
to
five
five
day
a
week
job
it's
getting!
Sometimes
you
might
be
able
to
walk
to
work,
but
unite
me
to
use
transit
to
get
to
shopping,
to
recreational
opportunities
to
childcare,
for
example.
So,
okay,
thank
you,
Anna
Strasser.
Thank
you.
Jeff
thank.
H
Thank
you.
Mr.
vice
chair,
the
council,
Wilkinson
and
council
I
have
asked
most
of
my
questions.
I
saw
you
a
list
of
options
for
how
it
could
be
funded
and
I
understand
that
on
those
people,
the
organization
supporting
it,
there's
no
consensus
on
how
it
would
best
be
done.
I
think
that's
reflecting
one
of
the
difficulties
of
this
commission
and
then
ultimately,
Council
would
have
as
well
I'm
wondering
if
you
have
a
preferred
option
of
those
six
that
you
listed.
M
G
If
I
could
just
interrupt
for
a
second,
we
do
really
have
to
keep
it
on
topic
of
things.
The
transit
Commission
can
actually
do,
and
even
what
council
can
do.
Road
tolls
are
illegal
Ontario.
Some
people
suggest
that
they
shouldn't
be,
but
they
are,
and
so
we
should
keep
the
discussion
to
those
things
that
we
can
actually
do.
M
H
Just
I
guess
comment
on
that
quickly.
The
chairs
comments
about
what
this
Commission
can
do
are
certainly
you
know,
sort
of
well
take
and
I
as
a
transit
commissioner,
really
not
in
a
position
to
recommend,
for
example,
a
road
user
fee.
You
know
as
practical
or
is
it
practical
as
it
may
be
something
like
a
dollar
a
day
for
the
park
and
ride
you
know
seems
to
present
it
on
its
face,
but
it's
an
old
environmentalist
adage
that
you
can
never
do
only
one
thing
and
I
guess
because
of
the
upcoming
fare
structure
review.
H
There's
the
the
feeling
of
a
need
to
do
this
quickly
when
some
of
those
are
things
that
could
not
be
necessarily
done
that
quickly.
So,
for
example,
with
the
dollar
a
day
for
park-and-ride,
I
have
no
clue
right
now
here
today,
how
much
money
that
would
actually
bring
in
since
you
can
never
do.
Only
one
thing:
I
have
no
clue
how
much
that
might
decrease
ridership
and
I'm
aware
of
the
fact
that
that
would
create
a
differential
impact
depending
on
whether
you
were
an
urban
transit
user,
a
suburban
transit
user
or
a
wool
transit
user.
H
K
Thank
You
chair
councillor,
glide
councillor
leaper,
commissioner
crew,
have
asked
many
of
the
questions.
The
the
only
one
I
have
left
is
on
your
side.
You
referred
to
BC,
is
it
Vancouver
and
you
had
cities
and
then
you
had
British
Columbia
yeah,
your
friend
of
Vancouver
Victoria
Kamloops,
which
other
cities
are
you
yeah.
So.
M
So
if
it's,
if
it's
province
wide,
let
me
just
grab
it
here,
so
they've
got
discounted
annual
passes
available
in
any
city
that
has
BC,
transit
or
TransLink.
You
must,
as
recipient
one
of
the
following
criteria:
you're
getting
the
federal
guaranteed
income
supplement
or
federal
allowance,
or
the
allowance
for
the
survivor,
your
18
to
64
years
of
age
and
receiving
persons
with
disability
assistance
or
your
60.
K
G
D
Good
morning,
chair
blade
and
commissioners,
my
name
is
Rachel
Manson,
and
this
is
my
colleague
nahee
khan.
We
are
here
today
to
speak
on
behalf
of
the
city
for
our
women
initiative
or
Cowie
to
the
low-income
transit
pass
in
the
benefits
that
establish
such
a
pass
would
mean
for
our
city.
Kali
is
also
partnering,
with
the
coalition
of
community
health
and
resource
centers
on
making
voices
count
project
to
work
with
residents.
Community
partners
such
as
the
healthy
transportation
Coalition
on
various
issues
like
the
low-income
transit
pass.
D
Right,
okay,
so
you
are
all
aware
of
the
commitment
that
OC
Transpo
has
made
to
apply
the
City
of
Ottawa
equity
and
inclusion
lens
to
all
its
services
to
make
sure
that
no
one
is
excluded
from
such
an
important
and
basic
services.
Public
transport
transit
we
and
others
have
spoken
in
previous
deputations
about
the
research
that
shows
a
relationship
between
affordable
public
transit
and
both
labor
force
participation
and
overall
increased
economic
development.
All
of
us
are
aware
of
the
direct
relationship
between
higher
transit
fares
and
decreased
transit.
D
Use
I'd
like
to
speak
briefly
about
my
own
situation
and
the
impact
that
transit
fares
have
on
my
family
I'm.
A
single
parent
living
in
Canada,
who
is
studying
full-time
towards
a
BSW
while
also
working
part-time
I,
would
definitely
qualify
for
a
low-income
transit
pass
were
one
available.
I
do
have
a
car
because
I
have
family
living
in
rural
Ottawa
with
public
transit
is
virtually
non-existent,
but
I
would
use
transit
to
get
to
school
or
work
downtown
affordable.
D
My
children
have
used
transit
to
attend
school
and
work
for
many
years
through
public,
high
school
and
university,
and
these
costs
have
always
taken
up
a
significant
portion
of
my
household
budget,
ten
Ontario
cities
about
already
recognized
the
need
for
some
of
form
of
low
income
transit
pass.
Meanwhile,
Ottawa
maintains
some
of
the
highest
transit
fares
in
our
country.
A
low
income
transit
pass
would
facilitate
greater
social
and
economic
participation
of
low-income
individuals
and
families
in
our
city.
This
in
turn
can
only
help
us
achieve
a
goal
of
a
healthy
and
prosperous
City.
Overall.
N
Hello,
everyone,
my
name,
is
Naheed
Cohen
and
I
depend
upon
public
transit,
get
where
I
need
to
go
in
the
city.
I'm
single
mother
of
four
and
am
on
ODSP
I
know
also
been
on
the
waiting
list
for
social
housing
for
six
years,
while
my
full
rent
is
1,300
per
month.
My
ODSP
rent
alongs
is
only
806
I
make
up
the
difference
of
almost
five
hundred
from
my
basic
needs.
Pay
well
I'm
on
Alicia
I
am
eligible
for
a
community
pass.
N
There
were
part-time,
in
addition
to
their
study,
in
the
order
to
contribute
to
our
rent
and
other
household
expenses,
and
they
depend
upon
a
public
transit
to
get
to
school
college
work
and
everywhere
else,
because
they
were
put
back
a
year
in
school
upon
arriving
in
Canada.
They
are
not
even
eligible
for
a
student
pass
in
their
last
year
of
high
school,
so
we're
paying
full
adult
fare
when
transit
fares
keep
going
up
while
beyond
the
rate
of
inflation,
as
with
the
community
pass,
it
places
a
deal
economic
hardship
on
low-income
family
like
ours.
N
We
all
look
together
to
save
money,
and
my
elder
children
contribute
their
income
to
the
household
to
make
and
meet
yet
because
I
am
on
ODSP,
it's
very
hard
to
get
ahead
since
a
small
amount
of
extra
household
income
means
a
reduction
in
my
benefits
we
are.
We
are
all
living
at
trying
very
hard
to
make
a
good
life
for
our
self
in
this
city
and
to
participate
a
good
citizen.
N
G
G
A
I
think
I've
been
expose
them
a
few
times
before.
Thank
you,
I'm
representing
walk
Ottawa.
We
had
our
annual
general
meeting
last
night.
We
endorsed
the
the
provisions
of
the
petition
that
the
Trevor
hashe
talked
about.
I
wanted
to
to
make
a
couple
additional
points.
I,
don't
want
to
repeat
what
any
other
people
have
said.
I
would
first.