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A
Nice
puppy
there
keith
all
right
so
we'll
commence.
I
think
we
certainly
can
see
by
ali
bright
lovely
faces
this
morning.
We
certainly
have
quorum
so
good
morning
to
everybody
and
welcome
to
today's
meeting
of
the
transportation
committee.
Before
we
proceed,
I'm
going
to
do
a
quick
roll
call
of
all
my
members
and
I
was
informed
by
chancellor
ruloff.
He
will
be
a
couple
of
minutes
late,
he's
at
another
event,
but
should
be
joining
us
very
shortly.
A
A
A
Counselor
three:
oh
wait:
counselor
menard.
A
And
vice
chair,
libra
yep
great,
so
just
quick
housekeeping
similar
to
other
committees.
If
you
have
motions
or
things,
it's
always
good
good
to
get
them
in
advance
to
us
before
the
meetings
begin.
So
staff
can
deal
with
those.
As
noted
when
the
agenda
is
distributed,
we
are
participating
in
this
meeting
electronically
via
zoom
the
instructions
for
members
that
of
the
public
wishing
to
submit
comments
or
participate,
as
a
delegation
in
this
meeting
were
included
within
the
agenda.
A
Those
of
who
need
to
participate
in
the
meeting
can
also
watch
live
on
our
stream
on
the
city's
youtube
channel
for
those
that
are
participating
in
the
meeting.
Please
keep
your
microphones
on
mute
until
call
to
speak
I'll,
provide
each
committee
member
with
the
opportunity
to
ask
questions
or
comment
in
due
course.
Committee
members
will
be
called
on
first
in
the
ward
order,
followed
by
any
other
members
of
council
who
have
joined
the
meeting
with
us
today.
A
At
any
point,
if
you
wish
to
to
speak,
use
the
raise
hand
zoom
function,
you
can
find
that
at
the
very
base
of
your
screen
within
the
attendees
list,
the
committee
will
coordinator
will
ensure
and
keep
watching
for
those
cues.
So
I
want
to
thank
kelly.
She
does
a
tremendous
job
and,
and
it's
a
lot
of
back
and
forth
this
morning,
I
really
appreciate
your
help
on
that.
A
A
Thank
you
very
much
kelly.
So
this
is
just
a
quick,
quick
graphic
here.
Good
morning,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
I'm
bonjour
chief,
I
want
to
start
off
by
saying
I
hope
everyone
is
staying
very
healthy,
healthy
and
safe
during
these
unprecedented
times,
and
I
just
wanted
to
really
highlight
before
we
go
through
the
consent
agenda.
Some
terrific
news,
traffic
services
in
partnership
with
carleton
university
and
transport,
canada's
advanced
connectivity
and
automation
and
transport
systems
program
has
been
working
hard
on
the
eco
drive
2
project.
A
A
In
the
first
phase
of
the
project,
we
had
three
test
vehicles,
communicating
with
the
traffic
signals
along
on
club
road.
In
the
second
phase
we
had
several
city
vehicles,
communicating
with
the
entire
traffic
signaling
network
vehicles
were
equipped
with
mobile
apps
and
collected
and
shared
real-time
information
about
the
upcoming
traffic
lights.
It
showed
drivers
how
to
adjust
their
speeds
and
reach
the
intersection
when
it
was
a
green
light.
The
app
also
recorded
information
like
the
vehicle
engine,
braking
acceleration
and
fuel
consumption.
A
A
Project
leaders,
k,
grant
and
omar
chaudhry
traffic
manager,
inspector
nicholas
justi
and
jason
ostly
mark
apparel
and
frank
garvey
traffic
operations,
technical
assistant,
matthew,
mckee,
matt,
russo
and
jeff
barber
and
traffic
operations
coordinator
lane,
hack
and
senior
systems
engineer
kevin
mclaughlin.
This
cutting
edge
project
would
not
have
been
possible
without
their
efforts.
This
is
a
major
milestone
in
a
connected
and
automated
vehicle
technology.
A
A
So
as
we
go
to
the
consent
agenda.
First
of
all,
was
there
any
declarations
of
interest
we've
had
none
received
confirmation
of
minutes,
eight
february
5th
2020.
Are
these
confirmed
great?
Thank
you.
Item
number
one
hunt
mara,
widening
street
extension,
maple
grove
to
robert
grant
environmental
assessment
study.
We
have
no
presentations,
no
delegations
and
no
correspondence
on
this
item.
Is
this
item
carried
okay,
okay,.
A
No
problem
I'll
hold.
This
item
hold
menard
great
item
number
two:
I'm
gonna
hold
this
item
and
we're
actually
gonna
blend
it
with
item
number
three
because
they
actually
have
many
synergies
and
various
you'll
see
that
from
the
presentation
that
we
do
have.
We
do
have
speakers
on
this,
but
we
also
do
have
additional
motion
staff
supported
and
kelly.
Maybe
I'll
get
you
to
put
that
on
the
screen.
Councilman
iron.
Did
you
want
to
go
ahead
and
read
at
least
the
the
bottom
part
of
that
motion?.
B
Sure,
thanks
chair
yeah
I'll
keep
it
short
the,
whereas
clauses
are
there,
but
it's
be
resolved
at
city
council,
direct
staff
to
investigate
an
in-house
bike,
share
program
and
report
back
to
the
transportation
committee
with
its
findings
as
part
of
the
bike
parking
strategy
in
early
2021.
A
A
Great.
Thank
you.
Okay.
Thank
you
for
that
item.
Number
five
vanguard.
Extension,
environmental
assessment
study,
no
presentations,
no
delegations
and
no
correspondence
received.
Does
this
item
carry.
A
Sure
I'll
hold
that
item
no
problem,
sean,
so
item
number
five
is
held
as
well
I'll,
go
to
item
number
six
and
there's
counselor
king
on
the
line.
Here
I
just
want
to
have
a
look
looking
around
here.
Oh
great,
okay,
awesome!
So
I
know
this
intersection
very
well
myself,
coaching
many
years
of
hockey
and
how
weird
it
is.
A
D
With
the
community
had
been
identified
as
a
safety
issue,
I
know
that
that's
not
the
number
one
real
specific
concern
for
our
for
our
traffic
stops
and
for
our
intersections,
but
you
know
I
just
in
in
terms
of
trying
to
respond
to
the
community
number
one,
seeing
that
bus
stop
school
buses,
stop
right
in
front
of
that
busy
saint
laurent
recreation
complex
and
that
a
children
are
getting
on
buses
where
people
are
not
paying
any
heed
to
speed
or
to
the
intersection
was
a
concern,
along
with
the
development
of
a
of
a
new
residential
complex
on
the
corner
of
cote
and
saint
laurent,
that
might
precipitate
a
a
traffic
signal
or
a
traffic.
D
Stop
control
at
that
intersection
down
the
road.
So
I'm
very
appreciative
of
of
the
support
of
the
committee
and
the
support
of
the
chair
on
this
important.
My
first
stop
sign,
I
suppose.
A
Yeah,
the
the
hockey
community
definitely
thanks
you.
So
thank
you
for
your
support
on
that
committee.
Members
item
number:
seven:
a
speed
limit
reduction
on
stagecoach
road
from
the
point
of
approximately
840
meters,
north
of
snake,
island,
road
to
snake,
island,
road,
snake,
island,
road,
okay
and
again,
this
is
councillor
deruse.
That
was
looking
for
this.
If
we
have
a,
if
we
have
the
okay
from
committee
today,
is
that
item
carried
good
great?
Okay,
great
thank
you
councillors.
Did
you
want
to
say
anything
on
that.
F
I
just
want
to
thank
you
and
staff.
I
know
that
it's
been
the
village
of
any
scary
will
appreciate
that
and
after
consultation
with
the
community
in
there,
it
is
really
it's
not
like
in
the
middle
of
the
highway
kind
of
things
that
all
the
guards
come
on.
Stagecoach
stop.
There
is
a
stop
sign
at
the
end
of
that
road,
which
is
500
meter
and
there's
a
church.
F
There
is
a
little
town
hall
for
the
church,
also
the
cemetery
and
there's
a
seniors
coming
crossing
the
road.
It's
becoming
really
a
safety
issue,
so
I
I'm
usually
I'm
not
a
big
fan
of
reducing
speed,
and
most
of
you
know-
but
this
is
this
case
in
particular-
make
a
lot
of
sense.
So
I
want
to
thank
all
the
community
members
for
their
support.
I
want
to
thank
you,
chair
and
also
also
I
want
to
thank
staff
for
helping
me
on
that
one.
Thank
you.
A
Wonderful,
thank
you
for
that
and
thanks
to
committee
for
their
support.
There
is
an
additional
item.
I
believe
we
spoke
about
this
at
a
council
councillor.
Sorry
vice
chair
leaper.
A
Do
we
have
consent
of
committee
to
add
this
item?
There
is
a
presentation,
support
of
the
adoption
of
small
businesses
and
physical
distance
and
requirements.
This
is
all
things
related,
nice,
cold,
frosty
ones
on
patios
is
this.
Do
I
have
the
okay
from
committee
to
add
this
additional
item
to
the
agenda
today?
A
Yes,
yes,
great.
Thank
you
very
much
for
that.
We
also
have
some
ipds
there's
the
two
they're
painted
up
as
well
as
report
of
use
of
delegated
authority
2019
by
the
transportation
services
department.
I
set
out
in
schedule
g
of
bylaw
2019-280.
If
anyone
wishes
to
lift
any
of
these
items
it
requires
two-thirds.
Does
anyone
wish
to
list
anything
off
the
ipd
saying
none?
Thank
you
very
much
for
that.
I
will
go
back
to
item
number
one
of
today's
agenda.
A
Great
so
we
held
this
item
with
councillor
menard.
You
had
some
questions
on
this
one.
B
Yes,
thanks
very
much
chair
just
briefly
to
to
staff
on
this
there
there
didn't
seem
to
be
cost
considerations
in
the
report,
and
I
saw
I
saw
the
comments
through,
but
I'm
just
hoping
you
can
give
us
more
information
about
the
cost
of
the
the
eas.
I
recognize
ca.
It's
not
a
build
at
this
point,
but
if
you
could
give
us
the
cost
of
the
ea.
G
Yes
through
you,
mr
charity,
we
don't
have
a
cost
for
the
ea
identified
in
our
report,
because
we
take
that
through
a
request
for
proposals,
so
it
has
to
be
competitive,
but
this
is
not
a
a
big
project,
so
I
suspect
it's
not
going
to
be
comparable
to
the
larger
million
dollar
studies.
So
if
I
can
share
the
information
with
you
after
the
meeting
rather
than
announce
it
here
for
because
it
is
going
to
be
a
competitive
process.
B
Okay,
that's
fine
with
me.
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
and
I
see
the
logic
around
the
the
stitsville
main
piece,
and
I
know
I've
talked
to
councillor
gower
before
about
this.
I
see
some
logic
there
on
the
hanmar
p
and
I
know
why
you're
doing
them
together.
It
makes
more
sense
to
do
them
together
as
an
ea
in
terms
of
cost
considerations
on
the
hunt
mar
drive
widening.
B
I
understand.
There's
the
the
lane
configurations
change
it's
inconsistent
there,
so
I'm
wondering,
can
you?
Can
you
give
me
more
information
about
the
necessity
for,
for
that.
G
Yes,
and
actually,
this
has
been
in
the
transportation
master
plan
for
a
while,
and
it's
all
part
of
the
approvals
for
development
in
in
this
part
of
canada,
and
so
we
would
be
looking
to
make
it
consistent,
four
lanes
throughout
and
part
of
every
new
project
that
we
do.
We
would
be
also
adding
and
making
sure
that
sidewalks
and
cycling
facilities
are
part
of
the
recommended
plan
at
the
end
of
the
day.
G
So
it
is
to
provide
capacity
as
well
as
to
include
active
transportation,
to
bring
everything
to
to
comply
with
our
complete
streets,
designs
and
principles.
B
G
It
is
identified
for
as
a
road
for
vehicles,
but
as
part
of
our
ea,
we
do
look
at.
How
would
we
use
the
facilities
the
widening,
so
those
typical
things
like
using
it
for
transit
only
would
be
considered
as
part
of
the
ea
as
one
of
the
options
to
review.
B
Okay
and
then,
in
terms
of
like
funding
for
extra
check,
I
see
there's
a
lot
of
developments
planned
for
this
area,
lots
of
units
in
in
the
area,
and
so
it
probably
makes
sense
to
have
an
increase
in
in
transit
utilization
there.
B
If
this
is
to
occur,
given
that,
given
the
discussion,
we've
just
gone
through
the
urban
boundary
and
and
that
piece
so
will
there
be
coordination
with
more
transit
in
the
in
the
area
to
increase
that
service
to
folks,
or
are
we
just
going
to
continue
on
the
same
path?
B
Where
my
concern
is,
we
do
more
road,
winding
nine
windings,
we
encourage
more
car,
use
its
expense,
it's
very
expensive
for
the
city
at
a
time
when
you
know
we're
concerned
about
finances,
so
you
know
I
just
have
concern
about
the
direction
of
road
widenings
in
our
future
and
and
how
we're
using
services
like
transit
and
other
active
transportation
to
help
offset
what
new
congestion
this
will
create.
G
Well,
the
transportation
master
plan,
it's
a.
It,
takes
a
very
balanced
approach
to
the
network
to
provide
mobility
choices
for
our
residents
and
the
growth
of
our
city.
So
it's
a
balance
of
all
modes
transit
roads
as
well,
so
the
what
this
ea
will
focus
on
is
the
facility,
the
infrastructure,
how
we
use
it.
This
can
be
decided
later
on.
G
If
we
choose
to
change
it,
to
take
lanes
away
for
trans
in
the
future
that
that
doesn't
require
another
ea
that
can
be
that
can
be
reviewed,
but
we're
also
reviewing
that,
plus,
through
this
area,
we
will
have
the
canada
lrt
it
being
extended
from
moody
all
the
way
down
to
stittsville.
So
there
is
transit
there
and
it
depends
on
the
timing
of
that
lrt.
G
If
it's
happening
soon
or
if
it's
happening
later,
then
we
could
also
consider
how
to
use
these
widened
lanes
on
hunt
more
in
the
interim.
So
it's
a
very
flexible
process,
and
what
we're
hoping
to
do
here
with
this
ea
is
protect
the
corridor
from
the
encroaching
development.
Otherwise,
we
will
lose
that
opportunity.
G
It
would
be
much
more
expensive
to
to
have
increased
capacity
in
this
corridor
in
the
future
and
also
allows
us
to
work
with
developers
so
that
there's
a
coordinated
development
with
this
anticipation
of
this,
this
project
being
in
place
sometime
in
the
future.
A
Great
thank
you
for
that
and
I'm
just
looking
at
it
and
yeah
I've
been
notified
that
counselor
deputy
mayor
lulaf
has
now
joined
us.
Thank
you
for
joining
in.
I
appreciate
that
and
I
am
looking
at
a
quick
question.
H
A
H
Vivi,
just
a
quick
question
on
on
the
a
just
as
a
reminder:
do
we
have
a
set
formula
of
what
is
development
charges
versus
what
is
coming
from
from
the
city's
capital
program
in
these
efforts
it
so
obviously
the
ea
is
is
one
funding
pocket,
but
if
we
were
to
proceed
with
construction,
what
would
be
the
breakdown
of
the
funding
source.
G
So
this
project
would
get
dc
funding,
but
it's
not
on
the
10-year
list
just
yet,
because
we
are
working
ahead
just
to
protect
the
corridor,
but
it
would
receive
dc
funding
as
part
of
a
growth
project
and
it's
for
the
growth
in
this.
In
for
the
city
and
typically,
it
runs
around
95
development
charge,
funded.
A
Okay,
thanks
for
that,
thank
you
so
seeing
no
more
committee
members
on
that
I'll
go
to
people
that
are
not
on
the
committee
teresa
cavanaugh
councillor,
kavanaugh.
G
Thank
you
very
much
and
thank
you
to
those
who
ask
questions
already.
Mine
is
related
to
the
cycle
infrastructure.
Here
I
see
in
the
report
that
it
requires
coordination
with
mto
and
I
just
want
to
know
if
that's
being
pursued,
because
that
can
be
a
big
hold
up
and
if
we're
having
wider
roads,
we,
of
course
we
want
to
see
that
cycling
infrastructure,
but
my
experience
with
mto
is
you've
got
to
work
hard
to
to
get
that
and
it
would
be
a
big
missing
link.
If
we
didn't
have
it.
G
Yes,
we
will
be
in
touch
with
mto
once
we
get
underway
with
our
study
they're
aware
of
this
project,
okay,
but
are
they
open
to
it
because
in
some
cases,
they've
actually
stopped
infrastructure
that
was
going
to
be
done,
such
as
at
maitland?
So
it's
a
concern.
G
I
have
positive
vibes
on
that.
I
have
not
heard
of
any
negative
comments
about
this,
and
the
ministry
does
does
appreciate
and
understand
the
value
of
cycling
for
maitland.
There
were
probably
other
issues
I
think
most
of
the
conflict
is
around
who
funds.
But
in
this
case
this
is
a
study
and
we
we
expect
that
they
will
be
participating
with
us
as
a
major
stakeholder.
G
So
far,
I
have
not
heard
anything
negative
and
any
resistance
to
the
scope
of
our
work.
Okay,
and
if
it
is
cycling
infrastructure,
is
it
going
to
be
separated?
Is
it
separated
lanes?
I
just
worry
about
it.
Just
being,
is
there
anything
that
protects
cyclists
if
they're?
If
that's
put
in
because
this
will
be
a
new
project,
we
don't
have
to
retrofit
anything,
so
we
would
be
looking
at
the
the
best
safest
design
for
cyclists
as
part
of
the
recommended
plan.
G
A
Thank
you
for
that
councilor
cavanaugh.
Now,
typically,
I
would
continue
on
with
the
non-uh
voting
members
and
I
will
but
seeing
as
how
this
really
touches
glenn's
area
counselor
gower.
He
has
his
hand
up
here
as
well
as
I
see
hubley,
suds
and
leaper.
So,
like
anything,
I
thought
this
was
a
simple
item.
Things
change,
so
I'm
gonna
go
to
counselor
gallery.
I
Nothing
is
ever
easy
tim.
I
I'll
keep
this
very
brief.
I
hope
members
of
the
committee
had
a
chance
to
read
my
short
essay
that
was
included
in
my
counselor
comments
in
the
report.
This
is
a
very
important
north,
so
the
both
of
these
corridors
are
very
important
for
the
north
south
transportation
infrastructure
in
stittsville,
and
they
also
link
to
the
adjacent
wards.
I
The
development
of
this
area
has
outpaced
the
transportation
network
and
whether
you
define
transportation
as
cars,
buses
or
walking
and
cycling.
We
really
lack
the
north
south
facility,
so
this
is
incredibly
important.
A
very
small
first
step
forward
on
this.
One
thing
I
wanted
to
flag,
too,
is
one
of
the
real
gaps
in
the
transportation
network.
Here
is
between
stittsville
and
canada
north
across
the
queensway,
the
huntmart
bridge
that
currently
cannot
take
pedestrians
across
the
bridge.
I
So
you
have
people
who
are
trying
to
connect
from
canadian
tire
center
to
tanger
outlets,
to
a
residential
community
in
councillor,
sudze's,
ward,
arcadia
and
there's
no
way
for
them
to
cross
by
foot
over
the
highway.
It's
a
pretty
ridiculous
situation
and
a
big
miss
by
the
province
when
that
bridge
was
updated
about
four
or
five
years
ago.
So
I
hope
that
this
ea
will
also
put
us
in
a
better
position
to
work
with
the
province
to
fix
that
significant
gap
in
the
ability
for
people
in
our
wards
to
get
around.
A
Great
thank
you
and
that's
great
clarification,
especially
the
pedestrian
aspect
of
things
in
the
proximity
to
lrg.
So
we'll
go
back
into
the
list,
we'll
take
glenn's
hand
down.
If
we
could
there
kelly
or
you
could
take
your
own
hand
down,
I
guess
dude.
Thank
you
and
we'll
go
to
the
non-committee
finish
that
off
and
I
see
we've
opened
up
the
committee
members
now
so
we'll
go
back
to
them
later,
but
we'll
start
with
the
councillor
suds.
D
Thank
you,
chair
really,
just
frankly,
echoing
a
lot
of
the
remarks
glenn
just
made,
I
think
it's
important
to
consider
the
amount
of
growth
in
this
area.
Only
a
small
portion
of
this
touches
my
ward,
canada,
north,
but
it's
a
really
important
portion
in
that
we've
experienced
a
tremendous
amount
of
residential
growth,
as
well
as
the
development
of
the
tanker
outlets
and
commercial
development
around
there.
D
This
is
a
critical
link
and
also
to
mention
that
we
are
right
now
in
the
midst
of
building
the
camper
road
extension
and
the
bridge
over
the
carp
river.
D
That
is
a
is
a
vital
connection
that
will
serve
not
only
the
adjacent
community
and
arcadia
and
my
ward,
but
this
corridor
that
we're
talking
about
right
now
for
the
ea
and
leading
to
stittsville.
So
there's
a
lot
of
synergies
there.
I
think,
as
we've
talked
about
the
need
to
build
15-minute
communities
and
ensure
that
we
have
these
linkages.
D
This
is
the
perfect
example,
and
I
thank
staff
for
their
work
on
this,
because
I
think
this
is
not
only
of
course
serving
us
now,
but
this
is
future
planning.
We
know
the
growth
is
going
to
continue
in
this
area
and
we
need
to
make
sure
thank
you.
A
J
Thank
you
chair.
I
just
want
to
echo
what
my
neighbors
have
been
saying
as
well
vivi,
to
confirm
the
nto.
Involvement
in
this
is
really
around
the
bridge.
Is
that
not
correct
that's
correct
and,
as
council
gower
pointed
out,
that
bridge
for
for
the
folks
from
downtown
that
may
never
venture
out
this
way,
that
bridge
has
no
way
for
people
to
cross,
and
yet
the
canadian
fireplace
is
right
beside
there
and
tanger
malls
across
the
other
side,
and
there
is
no
way
for
pedestrians
or
cyclists
to
safely
cross
that
bridge.
J
So
if
nothing
else
was
included
in
that
package,
except
for
the
bridge,
I
would
say
that
it's
absolutely
important.
We
go
forward,
but
if
you
go
down,
hunt
meyer
road,
there's
no
sidewalk
what
they
did
was
they
put
a
couple
of
concrete
barriers
beside
the
road
and
people
are
actually
walking
inches
away
from
the
ditch
in
gravel
to
get
up
to
canadian
tire
place,
and
you
can
see
huge
crowds
walking
along
that
road
that
anytime
there's
something
going
on
over
there.
So
this
project's
needed.
J
G
Counselor,
I
don't
have
that
information
I'll
have
to
follow
up
with
finance
on
that
with
for
you,
but
we
have
had
a
shortfall
across
the
city
in
terms
of
dc
revenue
for
a
number
of
years,
but
with
the
latest
bylaw
dc
bylaw
review
in
2019,
we
were
able
to
fix
that
a
little
bit
so
there's
more
funding
coming
each
year
and-
and
so
that
has
helped
us
resume
the
the
schedule
of
road
projects
that
we
had
planned
through
the
tmp.
G
But
I
don't
have
the
exact
number
of
the
the
shortfall
for
you.
Okay,.
J
A
That's
something
you
could
talk
to
vv
offline
about
later
on.
If
that's,
okay,.
J
Well,
yeah,
it
was
brought
up
in
here.
So
that's
why
I
thought
that
number
would
be
important
to
discuss
here,
because
one
of
the
problems
we're
facing
out
here
and
this
area
that
we're
discussing
today
is
a
very
good
example
of
it.
Is
the
developments
occurring
without
the
infrastructure
being
in
place?
The
sidewalks,
the
you
know,
different
pieces
of
infrastructure
that
you
take
for
granted
elsewhere
in
the
city
is
missing
in
this
area
because
we're
not
caught
up
to
the
development.
J
So
I
think
it's
it's
very
important
that
we
support
this
project
and
vivi
had
mentioned
about
it,
not
being
in
the
10-year
plan.
I
think
we
have
to
look
when
we
do
the
tmp.
We
have
to
look
at
expedite
projects
like
this.
So
thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair.
A
Great
thank
you
and
I'll
go
to
vice
chair
leaper.
C
Thanks
chair,
when
the
ea
moves
forward
with
the
recommended
options,
will
we
see
a
projection
of
the
operating
costs
that
the
new
infrastructure
will
create
moving
forward
over
some
timeline.
C
I'd
be
interested
in
seeing
that
for
for
any
of
these
projects,
when
we
build
new
infrastructure
to
support
growth,
sorry,
I've
got
dump
trucks
going
by
my
place
here.
It's
always
something
at
this
corner
as
we
build
infrastructure
to
support
growth.
I
I
think
it's
interesting
to
understand
what
the
ongoing
operational
costs
that
are
going
to
be
funded
from
tax
dollars
will
be
so
when
this
comes
forward
as
a
as
an
ea
option.
I
hope
that
we
can
have
some
ballpark
figure
as
to
what
that
is
thanks.
A
B
Thanks
very
much
chair
just
just
one
last
question:
I
understand
the
need
about
sidewalks,
of
course,
and
active
transportation
infrastructure.
Could
those
not
be
included
without
a
road
widening?
G
For
on
the
bridge
itself,
it
is
a
problem
so
to
to
reconstruct
the
bridge,
for
the
sidewalk
would
be
a
very
expensive
undertaking
just
for
the
sidewalk.
G
So
I
think
you
get
the
economies
of
scale
when
you
do
it
as
to
for
a
structure
that
includes
the
new
capacity,
the
added
capacity
that
was
anticipated
when
council
approved
the
developments
in
this
area.
So
as
councillor
hubli
was
saying
that
we
are
falling
behind
in
providing
the
the
mobility
infrastructure
for
the
community,
but
we'll
take
a
note
of
that.
Counselor
we'll
have
a
look
to
see
if
it
can
be
done
incrementally,
but
I
suspect
that
it
may
be
difficult
to
do
that
just
on
its
own.
A
J
A
Okay,
we're
not
going
to
allow
debate
here
counselor,
but
certainly
if
you've
called
for
yeas
and
these.
That
is
the
case.
So
I
was
looking
to
carry
on.
H
I
I'm
I'm
confused
by
the
procedure
here.
Mr
chairman,.
A
It
counselor-
I
didn't
hear
that
so,
if
you're
good
with
carrying
this
item,
is
this
item
carry.
A
Harriet
all
right
on
to
item
number
two
and
three:
we
have
a
great
presentation
and
we
do
actually
have
some
delegations
as
well
today
and
correspondence
the
email
correspondence
that's
been
received.
You
do
have
it
on
your
drive,
but
I
will
ask
staff
to
go
ahead
and
proceed
with
the
delegation
today.
Thank
you.
G
Yes,
chair,
if
I
can
just
have
some
opening
remarks
here,
this
is
this
is
an
exciting
project
and
it
will
prepare
the
city
in
a
number
of
ways,
first
off
providing
another
mobility
choice,
but
I
don't
want
to
preempt
the
presentation,
so
I
have
cornell
muchi
and
also
kathleen
wilker.
Who
will
take
you
through
the
presentation?
G
K
K
The
main
benefits
of
this
mode
of
transportation
is
that
in
the
right
environment
it
provides
a
convenient
and
safe
alternative
to
traveling
by
car.
It
also
has
a
potential
to
increase
transit.
Ridership,
by
providing
a
connection
from
and
to
transit
stops,
we
have
also
learned
that
introduction
is
fair.
These
quarters
would
have
downsized,
if
not
managed
appropriately.
K
L
I'd
like
to
start
by
saying
that
staff
are
bringing
forward
this
recommendation
at
this
time,
because
shared
and
private
e-scooters
offer
residents
a
personal
mobility
choice
during
the
post-pandemic
recovery
period.
That's
supportive
of
physical
distancing
and
could
reduce
crowding
on
transit.
L
L
L
In
order
for
the
city
to
participate,
we
need
to
update
our
bylaws
to
make
e-scooter
use
legal,
and
so
the
provincial
regulations
include
the
following:
riders
must
be
16
years
or
older.
The
speed
limit
is
24
kilometers
an
hour.
E-Scooters
must
be
equipped
with
a
bell.
A
break
and
lights
helmets
are
required
for
riders
who
are
under
18
years.
Old
e-scooters
are
to
be
used
by
one
rider
at
a
time.
L
L
L
The
maximum
initial
share
fleet
would
be
600.
E-Scooters
in
ottawa,
e-scooters
would
be
allowed
on
the
city's
multi-use
pathways
cycling
facilities,
which
would
include
bike
lanes
and
cycle
tracks
and
roads
that
are
posted
at
or
below,
50
kilometers
an
hour
sidewalk
riding
would
not
be
permitted,
and
the
ncc
that
would
also
not
permit
e-scooters
on
their
pathways
shared
e-scooters
would
be
parked
in
the
sidewalk
furniture
zones
which
are
pictured
in
the
picture
and
the
sidewalk
furniture
zone
is
the
edge
of
the
sidewalk
closest
to
the
curb
in
line
with
bike,
racks
and
benches.
L
Staff
are
recommending
that
the
maximum
operating
speed
be
reduced
from
the
provincial
24
kilometers
an
hour
to
20
kilometers
an
hour
and
staff
would
monitor
and
collect
feedback
throughout
the
pilot
next
slide.
Please
one
of
the
issues
that's
occurred
in
other
cities
is
parking
compliance,
so
staff
recommend
the
following
tools
in
order
to
ensure
compliance,
in-app
and
in-person
parking
education
for
riders.
L
L
In
addition,
the
company's
phone
numbers
would
appear
on
e-scooters
to
report
misparked
e-scooters
directly,
and
the
city
would
have
the
ability
to
find
companies
for
not
responding
to
miss
park
scooters
without
within
a
set
time
frame
and
finally,
to
impound
miss
park
e-scooters
that
are
not
attended
to
next
slide.
Please,
in
terms
of
the
contract,
highlights,
in
addition
to
lowering
the
fleet
speed
to
20
kilometers
an
hour
staff
are
suggesting
further
reductions
within
high
activity,
pedestrian
zones
and
it's
possible
to
do
that
with
the
shared
fleet.
L
E-Scooter
providers
would
be
required
to
provide
in-app
and
in-person
education
on
safe
e-scooter
use
parking
as
well
as
hand,
hygiene
which
is
particularly
important
because
of
profit
providers,
would
be
required
to
redistribute
vehicles
to
respond
to
travel
needs
and
to
provide
daily
trip
and
injury
data
to
the
city
next
slide.
Please.
L
Compliance
and
operator
response
to
issues
would
also
be
evaluated
and
staff
would
be
looking
at
feedback
from
riders
residents
and
businesses
in
terms
of
looking
at
the
safety
and
comfort
of
the
roadway
and
pathway
for
all
users,
and
I
want
to
note
that
staff
have
met
with
the
accessibility
advisory
committee
and
we're
aware
of
their
concerns
regarding
sidewalk
clutter,
as
I
discussed
earlier,
with
our
provisions
for
parking
compliance
as
well
as
the
aac's
concern
about
the
vehicles
being
quiet
and
staff
are
committed
to
reporting
back
within
six
months
of
the
pilot
launch
to
the
aac
to
receive
further
feedback
and
finally
staffed
time
and
cost
to
oversee.
L
M
Knight
good
morning
sharon
members
of
committee,
our
report,
entire
entitled
bike
sharing
and
electric
kick
scooter.
Sharing
agreements
with
service
providers
facilitates
bringing
micro
mobility
providers
to
the
city
and
proposes
a
new
fee
structure.
This
report
also
recommends
granting
the
associated
delegated
authority
to
the
manager
of
right-of-way
heritage
and
urban
design
and
to
enter
into
agreements
with
micro
mobility
providers,
as
mentioned
in
the
transportation
planning
report.
Micro
mobility
systems,
such
as
bike
sharing
and
e-scooters
assist
in
the
development
of
a
city-wide
connected
connected
network
of
active
transportation
facilities.
M
Vendors
will
be
responsible.
Could
you
go
back,
I'm
not
quite
ready
for
that
slide.
Thank
you.
Vendors
will
be
responsible
for
placing
vehicles
in
permitted
parking
areas
and
installing
maintaining
stations
or
painted
parking
areas,
removing
defective
vehicles
and
or
missed
parked
vehicles
on
an
ongoing
basis
and
vacating
the
right-of-way
at
the
end
of
the
season.
M
M
Due
to
the
fact
that
many
micro
mobility
systems
are
now
dockless
and
to
align
with
municipal
best
practices,
the
new
fee
structure
shifts
away
from
a
previously
approved
station
base
to
an
overall
vehicle
fee
to
recover
costs.
The
fees
charged
will
be
used
to
cover
operational
costs
related
to,
but
not
limited
to
the
following
communication,
education
and
promotion
by
the
city
of
desired
rider
behavior.
M
M
M
A
Great,
thank
you
very
much
for
that
and
before
we
go
to
questions
of
committee
members
and
non-committee
members,
we
do
actually
have
a
couple
people
on
the
delegation
list,
so
I
will
call
on
the
first
delegation:
stuart
lions,
the
stuart
lions
ready
and
on
the
screen.
A
Yes,
I
can
see
you
stuart,
you
have
five
minutes.
The
floor
is
two
hours.
E
A
We
won't
start
the
clock
till
we
get
it
up
there,
we'll
we'll
take
a
minute
and
we'll
get
the.
E
Thank
you
so
much
kelly
appreciate
that
so
nice
to
meet
you
all,
and
thank
you
very
much
for
having
me
this
morning.
My
name
is
stuart
lyons,
I'm,
the
ceo
of
a
company
called
bird
canada.
If
we
go
to
the
first
slide
I'll,
tell
you
a
little
bit
about
about
us,
we're
a
canadian
company.
We
use
the
technology
and
the
scooters
of
a
company
called
bird
rides
out
of
california,
but
our
company
is
entirely
canadian
funded
by
canadians
and
based
in
toronto.
E
We
launched
our
service
last
year
in
calgary,
edmonton
and
montreal.
We
currently
have
operations
already
once
again
in
calgary
and
edmonton
right
now,
we're
hoping
to
launch
victoria
and
toronto
by
the
end
of
2020,
obviously
in
in
ottawa
as
well,
where
it
can
known
and
operate.
As
I
mentioned,
and
bird
scooters
are
present
in
more
than
120
cities
around
the
world.
E
You
may
have
seen
some
in
some
of
your
travels
and
I
can
talk
a
little
bit
about
that
and
then
what's
on
everyone's
mind,
obviously
the
covet
crisis
and
where
scooters
fit
in
and
everything
else,
they've
been
visiting
essential
service
in
several
cities.
San
francisco,
los
angeles,
austin,
baltimore
and
a
whole
bunch
of
others
have
relaunched
scooter
programs
in
an
effort
to
permit
social
distancing
and
assist
those
who
are
unwilling
or
unable
to
take
public
transit,
which
we're
obviously
all
aware
of
at
this
point
our
next
next
slide.
E
Thank
you
kelly.
So
a
little
bit
of
numbers-wise.
I
think
that
this
is
sort
of
helpful
to
sort
of
paint
the
picture
of
what
scooters
do
in
the
city
and
how
they
help
and
and
and
how
they're
used
last
year
in
calgary,
750
000
trips
were
taken
among
the
two
providers
in
less
than
three
months,
which
is
really
a
ton
of
of
volume.
E
We
believe
it
exceeded
cycling
volume,
cycling
volume
wasn't
measured
in
the
same
degree,
but
it
was
pretty
an
intensive
three
months
over
150
000,
unique
users
during
the
time
in
montreal,
flipping
to
another
city
in
montreal,
demand
regularly
exceeded
seven
trips
per
day
per
scooter
and
in
montreal,
27
percent
of
trips
began
or
ended
at
a
metro
station,
which
is
really
what
we
want
to
see.
We,
you
know
our
goal.
E
Long
term
is
for
these
to
be
used
as
a
commuting
device
and
when
a
third
of
trips
are
sort
of
beginning
at
a
metro
station,
that's
really
important
another
important
stat
one
third
of
these
scooter
trips
replaces
a
car
trip.
So
if
you
look
at
the
750
000
car
scooter
trips
taken
in
calgary
last
year
about
250
000
car
trips
are
not
taken
and
then
also
in
calgary
2
000
by
bird
riders
use
the
service
more
than
50
times
in
that
three
month
period.
E
Another
topic
that
is
often
asked
is
around
the
safety
of
scooters.
Generally
they're
they're
considered
similar
to
bicycles,
they're
as
safe,
if
not
safer
than
bicycles.
We
always
joke
that.
I
don't
think
a
lot
of
forms
of
transportation
have
been
studied
as
frequently
as
scooters
in
the
last
two
three
years.
There's
a
seminal
study
out
of
the
oecd
which
came
out
this
this
winter,
which
specifically
says
they're
as
safe.
If
not
safer
than
bicycles
in
calgary,
there
are
33
injuries
out
of
700.
E
000
rides
compared
to
197
injuries
for
bikes
in
montreal,
and
this
actually
compares
the
ride
volume.
There
were
four
injuries
out
of
226:
000
rides
compared
to
360
out
of
146,
000
rides
for
e-bikes,
and
then
bird,
we
disinfect
the
scooters
two
to
three
times
a
day,
comply
to
comply
with
new
sanitary
measures
and
on
the
next
final
slide
here
I'll
talk
a
little
bit
about
covid
and
how
that
impacts.
Everything
obviously
we're
all
aware
of
the
the
challenges
of
public
transit,
even
in
ottawa
transit.
You
should.
E
This
is,
according
to
the
apple
mobility
study,
73
in
transit
usage
compared
to
baseline,
who
obviously
all
want
to
avoid
a
a
return
to
private
cars
and
dense
traffic
and
gridlock.
So
cities
are
focusing
on
all
kinds
of
micro
mobility
and
scooters
are
one
of
those
things
I
mentioned.
What's
going
on
in
a
few
of
the
u.s
cities,
over
25
u.s
cities
have
already
relaunched
their
scooter
programs
in
italy,
every
major
italian
city
is
focused
on
e-scooters
there's.
A
couple
quotes
there
for
the
mayor
of
rome
and
for
the
council
member
in
milan.
E
So
that
was
a
sort
of
a
brief
overview
of
scooters.
May
I
turn
over
if
anyone
has
any
particular
questions,
I'd
be
happy
to
address
and
just
looking
forward
to
working
with
the
city
and
providing
another
transportation
option
for
people
in
ottawa.
A
Great,
thank
you
very
much,
mr
lyons,
for
that
we
do
have
a
couple
of
questions.
First
of
all,
I
first
hand
that
was
up
I
saw
was
counselor
judas.
A
J
Thank
you
chair.
My
question
on
this
is,
and
I'll
say,
right
up
front.
I
I
like
the
idea
I
like
what
we're
doing
here
with
a
pilot
to
explore
this,
but
one
of
the
things
I
I've
learned
by
looking
at
what
other
cities
are
doing
is
one
of
the
common
complaints
is
that
scooters
are
left
laying
across
the
sidewalk
and
becoming
an
impediment
for
pedestrian
traffic.
E
Thank
you
through
the
chair.
There
are
several
things
and
I
think
the
report
we
spent
a
fair
bit
of
time
with,
with
with
the
staff
and
helping
giving
them
some
feedback
in
terms
of
what
we
see
in
other
cities
and
what
they've
come
up
with
is
is
a
you
know,
is
a
good
as
a
good
approach
to
it.
There's
a
few
things
starting
off
with,
in
my
personal
opinion,
not
having
a
ton
of
scooters
which
might
seem
antithetical
to
somebody
in
the
scooter
business.
E
But
if
you
go
to
la,
in
my
opinion,
the
biggest
problem,
what
you
see
is
there's
like
10
scooter
companies
and
50
scooters
on
each
block
and
that's
where
things
get
really
messy.
So
the
first
thing
is
less
scooter,
companies
and
less
scooters,
which
again
might
seem
ironic
that
I'm
suggesting
this.
But
I
I
want
this
to
be
a
long-term
partnership
with
with
ottawa,
as
we
do
with
edmonton
calgary
every
other
city
we
operate
in.
That's
the
first
point.
E
Second
point
is
the
corrals
that
that
staff
is
working
on,
I
think,
is
a
key
thing
that
wasn't
around
in
the
early
days
of
scootering.
That's
why
things
got
a
little
bit
messy
there
weren't
there
wasn't
designated
places
to
put
scooters.
We
have
those
in
edmonton
and
calgary.
Edmonton
just
announced
them
this
year,
calgary
as
well
as
a
few
designated
parking
spots.
Those
are
helpful
education.
Obviously,
in
the
app
is
helpful
and
us
a
lot
of
this
is
on
us.
We
have
you
know.
E
I
should
mention
that
if
we
go
ahead,
we'll
probably
put
around
30.
So
some
odd
people
to
work
in
ottawa
and
a
big
part
of
their
job
is
to
move
scooters
around,
make
sure
they're
not
blocking
people's
pathways,
making
sure
they're
in
the
right
spots
making
sure
you
know
they're
they're
charged
and
they're
clean
and
they're
ready
to
go.
So
it's
it's
all
those
things
that
were
also
mentioned
in
the
report.
Finding
poor
behavior.
E
A
Great
thank
you
for
that.
Vice
chair
leaver,
thanks.
C
Chair
some
of
the
feedback
that
we've
heard
from
the
operators
has
been
that
the
fee
structure
is
being
set
a
little
too
high
and
that
the
cap
is
set
too
low.
It
doesn't
sound
like
you
would
necessarily
agree.
Can
you
address
what
we're
proposing
by
way
of
fees
and
and
cap.
E
The
fees
again,
I'm
I'm
I'm
I'm
pretty
straightforward
on
this
stuff.
The
fees
are
similar
to
calgary.
So
you
know
it's
basically
the
same
very
similar
fee
structure,
so
I
can't
talk
out
of
both
sides
of
my
mouth.
We
have
them
in
calgary,
so
certainly
in
ottawa.
That's
you
know:
they're
they're
they're
a
price
to
pay,
but
again
being
a
responsible
corporate
partner
to
you.
We
would.
We
would
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
things
were
done
appropriately.
The
cat,
the
the
scooter
cap
is
a
bit
small.
E
I've
expressed
that
concern
to
the
staff
I
mean
the
reality
is
we
want
to
invest
the
money
in
the
city
we
have
to
rent
space
hire
all
those
people.
I
mentioned
everything
else
and
having
only
300.
If
there's
two
providers
is
a
bit
tight
for
us
to
to
make
sure
the
business
is
successful
and
hopefully
going
as
soon
as
possible,
but
it
could
be
a
relatively
short
season
if
we
didn't
start
till,
say
late
july
october
august
or
whatever
and
then
heading
into
october.
E
So,
for
all
those
reasons,
yeah,
the
the
cap
is
a
bit
on
the
lower
side
depends
obviously
on
the
number
of
providers
you
have
as
well.
C
Okay
and
I'll
ask
staff
about
about
that
cap
when
we
get
to
it.
I'm
just
curious.
I
am
awaiting
delivery
of
an
electric
scooter
I
want
to
have
my
own
are:
are
they
ridable
in
the
rain,
the
ones
that
you're
offering
are
they
all
weather.
E
They're
they're
all
weather,
I
mean
it's
just
like
riding
a
bicycle.
In
the
rain
I
mean
they're
as
weather
as
a
bicycle
is
they're
they're,
pretty
certain
the
ones
we
use
are
not
the
kind
you
typically
buy
on
amazon
or
a
store
they're
much
more
industrial
commercial
grade.
Obviously
they
last
a
lot
longer,
and
you
know,
there's
obviously
a
concern
about
sustainability.
Our
scooters
last
well
into
two
three
seasons:
we're
using
all
the
same
scooters
we
used
last
year
in
calgary,
haven't
turned
their
back
on
the
streets.
E
Some
of
the
ones
we'll
use
in
ottawa
will
be
recycled
as
well,
because
you
know
for
sustainable
purposes,
but
yeah
they're,
definitely
ridable
in
the
rain
they're,
just
like
advisors,.
C
O
Thank
you,
mr
chair
hi
stuart
thanks
so
much
for
proactively,
reaching
out
to
me,
as
the
council
liaison
for
accessibility
earlier
this
week.
Just
a
couple
of
quick
questions
for
you.
We
received
a
letter
yesterday
from
the
cnib.
I'm
sure
that
you
were
also
copied
on
that
letter
as
well.
I'm
just
wondering
what
your
group
is
doing
to
proactively
work
on
the
recommendations
and
the
observations
that
they've
provided.
E
Thank
you
thank
you
through
the
chair,
but
I
I
did
not
receive
the
letter
from
the
cnib
yesterday.
Maybe
I'll
get
it
today
at
some
point,
but
if
it's
I
I
think
I
shared
with
you
earlier
a
letter
they
sent
to
the
toronto
city
council
accessibility,
advisory
committee,
I'm
assuming
it's
similar
content.
We've
worked
a
lot
with
the
cnib.
We
actually
enjoy
hearing
their
concerns
and
because
again
we're
trying
to
develop
a
long-term
relationship
here,
and
it's
not
our
interest
to
have
scooters
blocking
the
path
of
anyone.
E
Certainly
that's
not
the
way
we
want
to
act
as
as
people
or
as
good
corporate
citizens.
So
we're
not
going
to
get
asked
back
to
ottawa
if
we
have
a
bunch
of
scooters
living
in
the
streets
blocking
successful
pathways
and
just
you
know,
acting
like
you
know,
fly-by-night
operations,
so
that's
not
our
goal.
We
we
we
definitely
want
to
work
with
groups.
We
found
this
antibiotic
extremely
reasonable
they're.
In
fact,
we
agree
with
all
the
things
they've
asked
for
in
their
toronto
letter.
E
If
it's
the
same
letter,
I
I
don't
see
why
wouldn't
agree
with
all
the
requirements
and
the
recommendations
in
their
letter
and
if
they're,
you
know,
if
they're
things
we
can
accommodate
we'd
be
happy
to
do
that.
O
That's
really
great
to
hear
if
you'd
like,
I
can
share
that
letter
with
you
later
today.
I
know
from
speaking
with
you
that
you
are
proactive
and
that
you
certainly
want
to
work
with
the
accessibility
community.
I
would
recommend
that
if,
if
this
does
pass
today
that
you
make
an
appointment
to
speak
before
the
accessibility
advisory
committee,
I
think
that
you'll
find
them
very
insightful.
So
I
really
appreciate
what
you're
doing
here
and
thanks
for
your
continued
engagement.
Thank
you.
A
Appreciate
it
great,
thank
you
and
seeing
no
further
questions.
I
will
ask
you
stuart.
I
went
to
salt
lake
city
last
year
and
I
have
a
question
tim.
A
A
H
You're
good
to
go
so
stuart.
My
question
to
you:
is
I've
gone
through
the
the
ptc
debate,
the
private
transportation
company
and
I
I
view
it
all
very
similar,
but
I'm
surprised
no
one's
raising
the
issue
of
covet
because
for
you
to
to
proceed
in
in
the
environment,
you
require
volumes
of
tourism,
and
we
know
that
this
year
in
2020,
the
outlook
and
tourism
in
all
of
our
cities
across
canada
look
very
challenging.
H
So
do
you?
What
would
you
expect
if
you
were
to
get
bylaw
and
if
you
were
to
get
compliance?
What
would
2020
look
like.
E
Thank
you
through
the
chair
counselor,
so
so,
just
as
as
a
as
a
point
of
perspective,
we
spent
about
30
to
45
days
or
so
working
with
alberta
health
services
before
we
launch
in
calgary
in
edmonton,
going
through
all
kinds
of
scenarios.
So
this
was
not
a
let's
see
what
happens
but
scooters
that
we
talked
about.
Can
we
clean
them?
You
know
three
times
a
day.
More
can
we
use
gloves?
E
We
talked
about
disposable,
gloves,
reusable
gloves,
went
through
all
these
different
scenarios
of
alberta,
health
services
and
then
their
conclusion
was
they
didn't
want
to
create
a
false
sense
of
security.
So
when
you
get
into
things
like
gloves,
you
you
you
kind
of
limit
hand
washing
and
then
there's
face
touching
that
occurs
with
gloves
and
there's
all
kinds
of
side
issues
which
you
know
not
being
health
professionals
we're
not
certainly
not
educated
in
that
regard,
so
they
recommended
against
using
gloves.
E
They
said,
look
clean
the
scooters
as
much
as
you
can,
but
the
important
thing
is:
we
need
to
educate
people
that
these
are
multi-touch
services
like
a
grocery
cart
or
a
public
door
handle
or
there's
some
or
playground
structure.
There's
so
many
others
in
our
society
right
now,
and
people
really
have
to
be
educated
that
they
have
to
wash
their
hands
disinfect
whatever
they
need
to
do
before
and
after
each
ride.
So
we
did
that
and
in
our
app
now
in
calgary
edmonton
there's
multiple
education
points
like
please
be
advised.
E
The
scooter
may
not
have
been
cleaned.
You
must
clean
your
hands
before
each
ride
after
he
tried
and
everything
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
So
that
was
a
conclusion
that
was
that
was
arrived
at
through
many
many
weeks
of
conversation
and
so
far
so
good.
So
far,
it's
been
going
well
in
calgary
people
seem
to
know
that
and
it's
again
treated
sort
of
like
there's.
You
know
people
have
been
dealing
with
grocery
carts,
but
it's
generally
clean,
but
there's
no
guarantee
they're
clean
every
time.
E
You
use
one
and
other
things
in
our
society
right
now,
but
we're
trying
to
sort
of
build
upon
that
education
process
and
make
sure
people
try
and
be
safe
when
they
use
them.
H
Okay
and
more
specifically,
to
the
actual
output
of
of
e-scooters
in
ottawa,
if
you
were
to
get
approval,
what
would
2020
look
like?
I
mean
you're.
I've
lived
through
the
ups
and
down
of
the
bixi
failure
here
in
ottawa,
and
I
can
share
with
you
exactly
what
went
wrong
right.
It's
tourist
tourist
only
and
no
resident
buy-in
because
it
was
so.
H
You
could
only
stay
within
a
small
small
segment
of
our
city
now,
with
our
lrt
with
the
goal
of
council
last
week
and
the
weeks
before,
we're
talking
about
15
minute
neighborhoods
like
these
become
really
interesting
technologies
and
happy
to
see
jeff
joining
the
the
the
trend.
But
I
want
to
know
from
you
in
2020.
What
would
the
organization
look
like
in
terms
of
seeing
e-scooters
in
ottawa,
which
area
how?
How
how
many.
E
E
The
how
many
depends
on
how
many
providers
it's
really
up
to
to
to
this
to
staff
and
everything
else
in
terms
of
if
there's
two
providers-
and
I
guess
it's
300-
a
piece-
and
if
it's
you
know
more,
it
could
be
less
so
there's
one
provider,
then
it's
600,
so
it's
a
bit.
I
don't
totally
know
service
area
will
obviously
we've
been
we've
offered
up
certain
surface
area
maps
which
covers
a
good
chunk
of
auto
up
based
on
300
scooters.
E
300
scooters
mentioned
before
is
a
bit
small,
so
we
can
only
go
so
far
with
the
fleet
that
we
have
to
your
point
about
dixie.
The
advantage
we
have
is
their
dockless
and
that
does
give
you
more
flexibility
and
creates
more
ride
volume.
We
saw
that,
certainly
in
the
other
three
markets
we
were
launched
in
so
it
it
you'll
see
it.
You
know
throughout
the
entire
core
of
downtown
and
beyond,
but
over
time,
as
we
add
more
scooters,
the
goal
is
actually
to
become
part
of.
E
Like
oc
transport,
we
actually
integrated
the
transit
network.
We've
talked
with
staff
about
even
the
the
ministry
defense
building.
That's
you
know
a
couple.
Kilometers
away
from
the
nearest
transit
station,
it
could
use
scooters.
We
talked
about.
We
talked
to
carlton
university,
we
talked
so
there's
all
different
facets
to
this.
That
would
grow
over
time,
but
it
has
to
start
at.
Unfortunately,
the
dense
areas.
E
First,
certainly
when
you're
in
a
small
fleet
to
grow,
and
then
you
become
sort
of
a
hub
and
spoke
system
just
like
they
do
with
you
know,
fedex
or
any
kind
of
transportation
network
where
you,
as
you
add
more
scooters
over
time,
becomes
a
hub
and
spoke
people
get
used
to
using
it,
and
you
kind
of
have
sort
of
centers
where
they
congregate,
and
then
they
can.
They
go
into
different
sectors
of
the
of
the
population.
A
Great
thank
you
councillor,
fleury,
and
just
for
myself
real,
quick
stewart.
I
was
in
salt
lake
city
last
year.
I
noticed
some
of
the
similar
concerns
that
I've
heard
here.
You
know
they
were
wake
up
friday
morning.
They
were
in
a
tree
sometimes
or
in
a
in
the
local
pond.
Give
me
some
comfort
what's
different.
First
of
all,
are
you
guys
in
salt
lake
city
and
second,
is
the
geo
that
helpful?
I
think
that's
probably
the
keys
to
victory
on
this
one.
E
Yeah,
thank
you,
mr
chair,
the
the
so
yes,
we
we're
we're
in
some
like
50
or
60
u.s
cities.
The
geo
fencing
is
super.
It
does
work.
It
is
helpful,
for
example,
we
do
it
right
now
today
in
calgary,
I
don't
know
how
familiar
with
calgary
but
stevens
avenue
like
very
similar
to
your
own
pedestrian
area.
It's
very
slow
zone.
There
scooters
gonna
travel
like
10
kilometers,
an
hour
which
is
actually
quite
quite
slow.
E
There's
no
ride
zone
stampede
grounds
as
an
examples
and
no
ride
zone,
and
here
we
have
the
ncc
pathways,
which
would
be
a
no
ride
zone.
You
can't
go
to
gap.
No,
so
we
reinforce
all
that.
So
what
happens
is
if
you
get
to
an
ncc
pathway,
the
scooter
will
beep
and
it'll
just
come
to
a
gentle
stop
just,
but
basically
there's
no
more
gas.
Just
the
gas
stops
and
eventually
slows
down,
and
then
it
just
stops
so
and
then
it
doesn't
return
until
you
move
it
back
into
the
to
the
effective
zone.
E
So
all
this
technology
has
been
well
proven
over
the
last
two
three
years
of
operations
that
would
be
key
to
it
and,
as
I
mentioned
before,
I
went
through
all
the
different
areas
we
can
deal
with
in
terms
of
clutter,
and
I
think
we
have
a
pretty
good
plan.
So
I
think
it'll,
I
think,
it'll
be
a
good
pilot.
A
Great
thank
you
for
that
stuart
and
I
I
agree
with
a
lot
of
your
comments.
It's
limited
numbers.
It's
limited
avenues.
It
can
go
on,
so
those
are
good
criteria
for
a
pilot.
I
think
and
it'll
be
up
to.
Obviously
companies
like
yourself
to
prove
that
it
will
work
and
get
the
get
the
buy-in
to
be
able
to
if
you
want
to
come
back
and
extend
that
pilot.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
delegation
today.
I
appreciate
that
seeing
no
further
questions,
we'll
move
along
to
phillip
b
turcotte
chair
of
aac.
P
Thank
you,
chair
and
good
morning
counselors.
It's
a
pleasure
to
address
you
today
and
perhaps
I
will
start
by
wishing
you
all
a
happy
and
national
accessibility
week.
I
also
want
to
thank
staff
for
consulting
with
the
accessibility
advisory
committee
on
this.
We've
had
quite
a
lot
of
engagement
and
I
think
that's
gone
very
well.
P
So
some
of
the
concerns
that
we
have
so
the
pilot
project
would
prohibit
using
the
scooters
on
sidewalks,
which
we
absolutely
agree
with,
but
they
will
be
allowed
to
park
on
sidewalks
and
from
a
practicality
perspective.
I
one
I
just
wonder
how
often
it
would
actually
occur
that
someone
would
disembark
from
the
scooter-
and
I
guess,
walk
it
onto
the
sidewalk
and
park
it
rather
than
riding
it
on
the
sidewalk.
P
The
I
think
our
most
significant
concern
is
the
fact
that
these
scooters
are
silent
and
depend
on
a
user
to
make
an
audible
noise
using
a
bell
to
indicate
to
pedestrians
that
they
are
passing
near
them.
So
this
is
a
significant
safety
risk,
especially
for
blind
and
low
vision,
pedestrians,
as
well
as
service
animals
and
service
dogs.
P
So
far
from
the
report-
and
I
appreciate
that
staff
have
mentioned
an
ability,
perhaps
to
do
it
via
the
app
or
that
the
commercial
providers
of
the
scooters
would
respond,
but
that's
not
in
the
reports
that
are
or
the
bylaw
before
you,
so
the
ability
to
track
improperly
parked
scooters
so
far
seems
to
be
complaint
based
and
would
rely
on
persons
with
disabilities
to
identify
those
barriers.
So
it
would
put
an
additional
onus
on
persons
with
disabilities
to
identify
barriers
that
they
did
not
create
themselves.
P
So
that
is
a
concern,
and
we
also
have
concerns
about
how
realistic
is
our
city's
capacity
to
relocate
improperly
parked
scooters
if
the
company
is
not
doing
it
within
the
time
frame
that
is
proposed.
P
I
would
also
note
that
my
committee
had
intended
to
consider
this
matter
again
and
possible
further
motions
at
an
april
meeting,
which
naturally
was
cancelled
due
to
covet
concerns,
so
our
committee
has
not
had
the
chance
to
fully
consider
this,
especially
in
light
of
a
request
that
we've
received
from
the
aoda
alliance
out
of
toronto
to
actually
pass
a
motion
against
this
pilot
project.
P
As
the
city
of
toronto's
accessibility
advisory
committee
did
I'm
not
saying
that
that
motion
would
have
passed
at
our
meeting,
but
again
we
would
have
considered
this
further
in
april
and
had
not
had
the
chance
to
do
so.
So
in
terms
of
practical
recommendations,
I
would
recommend
that
the
definition
of
pedestrian
be
changed
in
the
proposed
bylaw.
Currently
it
only
speaks
to
a
person
in
a
wheelchair,
and
I
understand
that
that's
the
definition,
the
highway
traffic
act,
but
that
can
be
updated
to
a
person
using
a
mobility
device,
including
a
wheelchair.
P
It
should
also
be
a
prohibition
in
the
bylaw
to
use
a
scooter
in
a
way
that
causes
an
accessibility
barrier
for
a
pedestrian
with
disability
in
terms
of
on-street
parking.
We
would
want
to
make
sure
that
the
proposal
complies
with
my
committee's
motion
of
september,
18,
2019,
2018,
sorry
about
the
prioritization
of
accessible
parking
past
eligible
spaces,
including
no
parking
zones
in
on-street
parking,
and
also
something
that
was
not
before
staff.
P
When
we
last
met
with
them
on
may
25th
of
this
year,
my
committee
passed
a
motion
about
multi-use
pathways
that
essentially
calls
for
the
city
to
prioritize
the
needs
of
pedestrians
with
disabilities
and
seniors
on
multi-use
pathways,
and
so
I
would
expect
that
this
pilot's
project
should
go
ahead,
would
also
comply
with
our
motion
of
may
25th
and
then
I'd
be
curious
to
hear
from
staff
if
possible,
on
this.
P
Thank
you
on
the
compliance
time
frame,
so
we've
heard.
I
think
our
concern
is
that
for
people
with
disabilities
who
would
face
this
barrier,
who'd
face
a
scooter,
that's
in
their
way,
that's
an
immediate
barrier
and
they
don't
have
the
option
necessarily
of
moving
the
scooter
themselves
or
waiting,
perhaps
the
two
hours
or
three
hours
that
the
city
would
or
the
company
would
need
to
move
that
scooter.
P
So
I'd
be
curious
to
hear
about
more
about
that,
and
also
fines
there's
an
option
for
fines,
but
they're
not
set
out,
and
in
our
view
the
fines
should
be
significant
to
be
a
proper
deterrent
and
further.
The
pilot
should
not
be
extended
in
the
future
unless
scooters
can
be
modified
to
make
an
ongoing
audible
signal
to
ensure
safety
for
blind
persons
and
persons
using
service
animals.
Thank
you
very
much
and
I'd
be
happy
to
take
any
questions
you
have.
A
Great,
thank
you
very
much,
mr
church
and
I've
made
notes
of
what
you've
said.
So
when
we
get
to
questions
of
staff,
I'll
certainly
be
asking
some
of
those
questions.
Oh,
we
do
have
a
question
from
councilman
eric.
B
Yeah
thanks
very
much
chair
and
thank
you,
mr
turcotte,
for
presenting
to
us.
I
I
just
wanted
to
know
your
thoughts
on
the
situation
that
that
occurred
with
montreal
right,
they've,
they've,
stopped
or
banned
e-scooters
as
of
this
year
and
and
some
of
what
they
were
citing
was
some
around
accessibility
issues
and
some
of
the
shared
shared
walk
ways,
pedestrian
ways
and
rollways
so
is.
B
Is
there
similarities
that
you
see
in
there
in
their
program
that
you
see
are
going
to
be
coming
here
and
is
that
is
that
a
particular
concern?
Because
I
I
want
to
make
sure
for
implementing
this?
We
really
need
to
mitigate
the
issues
that
have
been
experienced
in
other
cities,
where
they've
decided
not
to
go
ahead
with
these
scooters.
P
Thank
you,
counselor
and
through
you,
mr
chair,
I
think
the
item
that
was
of
most
concern
to
this
committee
and
we
did
ask
for
staff
to
speak
with
us
after
montreal
made
that
decision
the
low
compliance
weight
so
montreal
had
a
20
compliance
weight
in
terms
of
appropriate
parking
of
scooters
and
that's
a
significant
low
number
that
is
very.
Concerning
to
us.
I
understand
that
our
proposal
would
be
a
little
different
than
montreal's.
P
We
would
have
more
options
in
terms
of
where
people
could
park
scooters
properly,
but
that
compliance
rate,
I
think,
is
a
significant
concern
and
again
speaks
to
the
practicality
of
will
people
actually
properly
park
these
and
if
not,
what
is
the
recourse
that
people
with
disabilities
have?
This
is
not
just
kind
of
an
inconvenience
for
us
for
someone,
for
example,
in
a
wheelchair,
that's
going
down
a
sidewalk
and
can't
go
around
this
improperly
parked
scooter,
that's
the
end
of
their
trip
for
them.
They'll
have
to
turn
around
and
go
back
where
they
came
from.
P
They
can't
move
it
themselves.
So
I
think
the
important
piece
if
this
is
to
go
ahead
would
really
be
on
compliance
and
enforcement.
P
So
rapid
response
time,
I
think,
would
be
essential
and
again
the
fines
piece
to
making
sure
that
people
who
do
not
use
the
service
properly
will
be
a
distant.
You
know
would
face
consequences
for
not
doing
so.
I
think
yeah.
I
think
that's
that's
how
I
would
answer
that
question.
Thank
you.
Thanks.
A
Great
thank
you
very
much
for
your
presentation
today,
mr
turcotte
and
I
as
mentioned,
have
noted
a
couple
questions.
I
will
ask
staff
when
we
get
to
that
point.
Thank
you
for
your
great
presentation.
Thank.
A
We
have
a
sam,
sadly,
from
lime
is
sam
on
deck.
Q
Perfect,
thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you,
members
of
the
committee,
and
I
just
wanted
to
thank
mr
khan
as
well
for
appearing
today.
It's
we've
worked
not
closely
with
without
similar
organizations
across
north
america,
and
it's
always
helps
us
think
through
our
impact
on
the
broader
community,
not
just
the
impact
on
our
writers,
and
so
thank
you
for
help
for
raising
those
concerns.
We
really
appreciate
it.
Obviously,
my
colleague
from
bird
has
answered
many
of
your
questions.
Q
You've
received
my
testimony,
my
written
testimony
and
your
in
your
committee
packet,
we're
very
excited
to
begin
serving
the
city
of
ottawa
this
year,
and
this
will
be
obviously
our
first
year
in
ottawa
as
we
expand
across
canada.
We're
operational
in
similar
markets.
We
operated
in
calgary
edmonton
and
last
year
in
montreal.
Councilman
are
just
to
speak
to
what,
in
to
montreal
montreal
we're
continuing
to
work
with
the
city.
Q
I
think
the
challenge
there
around
compliance
was
that,
as
mr
turcotte
mentioned
montreal,
actually,
rather
than
allowing
for
parking
in
the
in
the
in
on
the
side
sort
of
on
the
edge
of
the
sidewalk
as
the
city
of
ottawa
was
elected
to
do
designated
a
limited
number
of
parking
locations
across
the
city,
we
communicated
with
the
city
that
we
believe
that
number
was
insufficient
for
the
scooter
and
for
the
demand.
Q
Unfortunately,
it
went
through
as
is,
and
as
we
expected,
you
had
low
compliance
because
it
was
very,
very
difficult
to
comply
with
the
regulations.
We
expect
to
see
given
the
regulations
that
have
been
proposed
for
you
all
and
my
apologies,
my
my
toddlers
in
the
other
room
and
making
noise.
And
I'm
sorry
if
you
hear
her,
I'm
sure
we
are
all
working
together
during
in
different
circumstances
today.
But
we
believe
that
through
a
the
program
as
it
has
been
proposed,
we're
going
to
see,
we
expect
to
see
high
compliance.
Q
But
as
part
of
that,
as
my
colleague
from
bird
mentioned,
it's
on
us,
it's
on
the
providers
to
make
sure
that
we
are
giving
you
all
the
best
possible
service,
and
that
means
what
we
have
is
called
our
line
patrol.
Those
are
members
of
our
team
that
are
actually
walking
through
our
service
areas,
fixing
scooters
responding
in
real
time
to
complaints.
I
know
byrd
has
a
similar
program
as
well
we're
happy
to
partner
with
them.
Q
Frankly,
we
partner
very
closely
on
a
number
of
initiatives,
but
our
goal,
as
providers
is
to
make
sure
that
we're
providing
the
best
service
for
ottawa
regarding
cnib
we've
been
working
closely
with
them.
We're
hopefully
coming
to
a
memorandum
of
understanding
soon
on
partnerships
for
initiatives
that
we'll
be
undertaking
over
the
course
of
the
next
year,
so
we
are
excited,
hopefully
to
bring
them
in
as
a
partner
for
the
2020
season
in
canada.
Q
Overall,
though,
I'm
mostly
here
to
answer
your
questions,
as
I
mentioned
in
my
in
my
testimony,
I
am
worried
that
I
believe
the
fleet,
as
proposed
by
staff,
is
too
small
to
really
get
a
good
idea
of
what
e-scooters
can
do
in
ottawa
this
year.
I
think
that,
for
assessment
purposes
for
access
purposes,
increasing
the
number
of
devices
will
be
helpful.
Q
Also,
it
allows
us
to
invest
in
our
operations
in
ottawa
without
sufficient
number
of
scooters,
it's
more
difficult
to
hire
that
large
number
of
staff
that
we
want
to
have
walking
the
streets
to
make
sure
everything
is
well.
And
lastly,
of
course,
as
you
mentioned,
fees
are
in
fact
somewhat
of
an
issue
in
ottawa.
The
fees
would
be
the
highest
in
canada
and
especially
as
we
compare
it
to
the
fees
that
are
that
are
put
on
companies
like
uber
and
lyft,
which
average
about
one
which
average
about
3.5
cents
per
kilometer.
Q
Looking
at
what
this
at
the
proposed,
we
expect
this
will
be
about
60.
The
proposed
fees
on
on
lyman,
burt
and
other
providers
would
be
62
cents
per
device
per
day,
which
would
be
which
would
equate
on
a
we
expect
about
three
trips
per
vehicle
per
day
to
about
20
cents
per
kilometer.
Q
That
is
over
six
times
almost
seven
times
the
fees
that
are
being
charged
to
cars.
And
so,
as
we
bring
a
more
sustainable
open-air
environment,
we
seek
to
have
fees
at
least
match
those
of
cars,
if
not
be,
if
not
be
be
better
than
simply
because
of
the
opportunities
that
we
bring
as
either
way.
We're
very
excited
to
serve
the
city
of
ottawa
and
look
forward
to
answering
any
questions.
C
Q
Mr
vice
chair,
yes,
we
will.
I
think
that
perhaps
the
better
ask
more
than
anything
else
is
if
we
begin
at
300
devices
per
provider,
creating
it's
a
structure
in
which
we're
allowed
to
increase
the
fleet
over
the
course
of
the
season.
Alternatively,
a
higher
beginning
place
would
be
valuable
as
well.
Q
Mr
fresher,
yes,
we
work
closely
with
many
communities
where
we
serve.
We
take
the
first
year.
We
look
at
the
data,
we
see
how
everything
came
out.
We
actually
share
almost
real-time
data
with
the
city
through,
what's
called
an
mds
feed,
and
so
that
includes
everything
from
trip,
duration
trip,
location
and
it
all
is
piped
directly
to
the
municipality,
and
so
that
is
a
way
that
we
can
share
the
data
not
just
at
the
end
of
the
season,
but
actually
over
the
course
on
a
daily
basis.
C
And
I'm
excited
to
get
some
of
that
data
from
the
companies,
but
the
financial
data
in
an
in
an
effort
to
demonstrate
that
the
fees
are
an
existential
problem.
If
you're
going
to
make
the
case
for
a
higher
cap,
will
you
be
willing
to
share
the
financial
data
with
this
as
well?
I'll
have
to,
of
course,.
A
You
great
thank
you
very
much
and
if
you're
keeping
track
at
home
on
zoom
call
bingo,
we
have
barking
dog
and
baby,
but.
A
H
I
want
to
thank
you
for
this.
I
want
to
ask
you:
you
spoke
to
the
cap.
H
Q
Of
course,
so
much
similar
to
any
any
company
that
operates
a
fleet
like
we
do.
We
amortize
our
total
costs
against
the
individual
devices
or
individual
number
of
rides
that
we
get
in
a
given
day.
So,
from
our
perspective,
it
allows
as
we
increase
the
cap.
It
allows
us
to
offer
better
service
more
employees
similar,
as
you
would
be,
to
any
other
fleet
company,
but
from
a
service
perspective.
Q
I
think
the
this
is
the
other
piece
from
the
city,
the
point
of
view
of
the
city,
the
recommendations
from
itdp,
which
is
a
well-respected
transportation
research
institute,
says
you
should
be
at
between
10
and
30
devices
per
thousand
residents,
and
that
is
to
ensure
that
that
access
to
two
devices
is
relatively
easy.
No
one's
going
to
use
one
of
these
if
they
have
to
walk
a
kilometer
just
to
be
able
to
get
on
the
scooter.
We
find
that
it's
about.
Q
Two
people
are
willing
to
walk
about
two
minutes
before
you
have
a
drastic
drop
off
and
the
willingness
to
use
it
and
an
increase
in
their
likelihood
to
use
uber
or
lyft
or
other
similar
companies,
and
so
as
we
provid.
Our
goal
is
to
provide
within
two
minutes
the
downtown
core
and
other
areas
that
people
have
easy
access
to
these,
and
so
you
know
the
current
ratio
is
proposed
as
10
devices
per
16
000
residents.
I
think
our
proposal
would
be
something
much
more.
What
would
be
something
between
there?
Q
Q
Otto
sorry,
edmonton
and
calgary
both
set
their
caps
at
roughly
a
thousand
devices
per
provider.
To
give
you
some
context
similar
exactly
smaller.
H
Cities,
though,
okay,
mr
chair,
is
it
possible
to
get
an
answer
from
staff
on
how
the
cap
was
established?
Just
maybe
it
directs
some
of
the
questions
to
the
some
of
my
follow-up
for
for
sam.
A
Certainly,
I
think
everybody
has
that
question
in
mind,
so
maybe
if
we
can
get
staff
to
comment
briefly
on
that
before
we
go
to
staff
questions.
L
So
I
can
comment
on
that
staff
decided
on
the
cap.
Well
we're
recommending
the
cap
of
600
e-scooters.
L
This
was
the
total
fleet
size
that
montreal
had
last
year
during
their
pilot,
while
they
did
experience
the
issues
discussed
about
parking
compliance,
so
we
are
concerned
about
sidewalk,
clutter
and
wanting
to
make
sure
both
that
vendors
would
be
responsive
and
that
residents
could
be
educated
to
be
parking
in
a
safe
and
courteous
way
and
that
staff
resources
in
the
case
of
miss
parked
e-scooters
that
need
to
be
attended
to
can
be
impounded
in
a
timely
manner.
So
this
is
why
we're
suggesting
to
start
with
600.
H
D
A
L
H
H
Sam,
I
I
I
have
no
further
question
other
than
the
same
I
had
for
steward,
which
is
okay.
You
have
a
local
business,
but
eventually,
if,
if
you
like
the
product,
you're
going
to
be
like
jeff
you're
going
to
buy
the
product
so
you're,
very
driven
towards
tourists
in
ottawa
and
in
all
large
big
cities
in
in
2020
for
a
pilot
year,
is
that
really
the
best
pilot
year
to
do
it?
I
I
want.
H
I
want
this
to
start
off
on
the
right
foot
and
I
wonder
if
you
know
we're
already
in
june.
In
my
mind,
this
should
have
been
a
program
that
we
launched
in
january
for
a
start
date
in
march
and
I'll
speak
to
that
later
in
terms
of
staff.
Is
there
really
an
urgency
to
start
in
2020
or
could
we
look
at
post,
covid,
introduction.
Q
Thank
you
for
the
question
I
and
I
do
not
disagree.
It
would
be
a
great
to
have
started
in
march
if
we
had
been
able
to
skip
this
whole
coven
challenge
that
we're
all
facing
at
the
moment.
I
think
what
this
actually
presents
us
is
an
amazing
opportunity.
Cities
like
ottawa
and
others
are
embracing
technologies,
everything
from
a
shared
e-scooter
to
the
simple
bicycle
to
get
around
in
an
era
in
which
we're
trying
to
move
away
from
cars,
but
doing
so
in
a
much
more
accelerated
rate.
B
Q
North
america,
I
think
it's
something
like
300
miles
in
in
seattle-
we're
seeing
a
real
engagement
with
folks
and
how
they
can
get
around
outside
of
cars.
So
I
actually
think
this
is
the
perfect
year
to
begin
a
pilot
to
be
able
to
capture
some
of
that
energy
and
hopefully
get
people
to
take
long-term
choices
today
and
shift
away
from
the
private
automobile.
Q
As
we
look-
and
I
think
you
know,
as
you
you
mentioned
people
will,
I
hope
people
buy
more
scooters
and
I
hope
people
buy
more
bikes.
I
my
first
time
commuting
on
a
bicycle,
was
on
a
bike
share
system.
I
then
advanced
to
buy
a
used
bike
and
eventually
a
new
bike,
and
now
I
get
my
daughter
who
you
heard
around
town
on
an
electric
assist
cargo
bike.
She
sits
behind
me
and
we
cruise
around
town.
Q
I
think
this
is
a
great
way
to
introduce
people
to
that
and
if
somebody
wants
to
go
and
buy
a
private
scooter,
I'm
all
for
it.
I
think
you
will
see,
however,
that
there's
a
significant
technological
and
infrastructure
difference
between
what
you
see
what
you
can
buy
on
amazon
versus
what
will
bring
versus
what
our
what
our
colleagues
in
the
industry
will
bring.
We
design
and
implement
scooters
to
use
on
streets
through
weather
all
year
long.
So
it's
a
very
different.
It's
a
very
different
beast.
Q
I'm
sorry,
I'm
vegetarian,
I'm
again,
I'm
not
an
attorney,
so
I
can't
speak
directly
to
liabilities.
It's
just
not
something
I'm
prepared
to
to
know.
Well
it
you
know.
Safety
for
us
is
a
multi-faceted
approach.
It's
about
safe
hardware,
it's
about
safe
training
of
our
riders,
it's
about
safe
streets,
and
so
I
think
we
make
efforts
on
all
three
of
those
of
those
pieces
when
it
comes
to
hardware,
it's
about
ensuring
that
our
hardware
is
ruggedized
that
it's
meant
for
shared
use
when
it
comes
to
training.
Q
It's
about
training,
our
riders
through
multiple
avenues
through
in-app
training,
but
also
through
in-person
training.
As
part
of
the
proposal
you
receive
from
staff,
there's
an
in-person
training
piece
of
this,
and
we
expect
that
we
will
be
doing
in-person
training
events.
We
call
them
our
lime
first
ride,
events
that
teach
people
how
to
ride
safely.
Q
I
know
bird
and
others
do
some
more
and
I
think
that's
very
that's
something
I'm
excited
to
see
in
ottawa
this
summer
and
then
thirdly,
is
safe
roads
and
so
by
sharing
data
with
you
all
about
where
people
are
riding
scooters
that
allows
additional
information
for
the
city.
As
you
all
think
about
how
to
build
out
your
protected
infrastructure
so
that
when
you're
setting
your
budgets
for
next
year
and
the
year
after
you
can
set,
you
have
now
real
data
on
where
people
are
riding
to
create
long-term
safety.
C
Okay,
I
think
I'll
ask
when,
when
staff,
if
they
can
be
ready
for
that
question
as
well,
sam,
thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
And
thank
you
very
much
sam
a
lot
of
the
points.
I've
seen
no
more
questions
I'll,
just
throw
mine
in
quick
thanks
for
coming
out
today.
I
see
two
great
partners
in
the
future
and
to
vice
chair
leaper,
and
I
were
chatting
we're
excited
for
if
this
passes
today,
when
we
actually
get
out
and
do
a
bit
of
a
demo,
it'll
be
like
top
gun,
you
know
maverick
and
goose,
and
and
we
can
actually
get
out
there
and
and
and
have
a
bit
of
a
rip
around.
A
N
Thank
you
chair
and
thank
you
to
staff
for
all
the
hard
work
they've
put
into
this
report.
I
did.
I
would
like
to
echo
my
colleague,
counselor
fleury's
questions
and
comments
in
respect
to
our
experience
with
the
bike
sharing
services.
N
You
know
they
came
in
they're
phenomenal,
but
the
problem
is,
they
were
centered
on
and
focused
on
tourists
and
they
weren't
distributed
evenly
across
the
city
residents
in
the
east,
the
south
and
the
west
didn't
have
access
to
them
and
if
they
did,
they
had
to
go
long
distances.
So
what
I'm
wondering
is
I
didn't
see
in
the
report?
N
K
N
Well,
I
guess
my
concern
with
that
is
that
if
you're
analyzing
the
performance
of
the
pilot-
but
these
e-scooters
are
not
available
to
residents
outside
of
the
core,
then
you
won't
get
a
fulsome
idea
of
how
it's
actually
available
for
those
residents
and
I'm
actually
going
to
tie
it
back
into
transit.
Because
I
noticed
that
in
the
report
it
states
that
the
transit
by-law
will
not
allow
these
e-scooters
on
our
buses.
N
K
Okay,
that's
certainly
something
that
we
will
be
looking
at.
I
mean
the
current
transit
bylaw
does
not
provide
for
scooters
on
transit
vehicles,
including
lrt
vehicles.
That
is
something
again
that
will
be
revisited
during
the
pilot,
and
I
mean
just
to
be
fair.
I
mean
this
year's
pilot
will
be
relatively
short.
K
I
mean
we
will
be
learning
lots
of
things
this
year
through
the
short
period
and
I'm
certain
that
in
the
next
year,
if
we
continue
the
pilot
in
the
second
year,
I
mean
there
will
be
many
other
things
that
we
will,
that
we
will
change
and
and
shape
the
program
so
that
it
does
reach
all
parts
of
the
city
where
there
is
demand
for
it.
But
we
do.
I
do
share
your
concern
that
I
mean.
K
If
people
can't
have
access
to
the
scooter,
then
of
course
they
they
won't
be
provided,
be
able
to
to
benefit
of
from
it
and
and
provide
feedback.
But
I
mean
we
are
just
starting
this
program
and
I
mean
there.
We
see
the
value
of
the
gradual
implementation
so
that
we
don't
get
into
into
big
challenges
in
terms
of
of
parking
issues
or
in
in
terms
of
other
safety
challenges.
N
I
see
that
mr
scrimmager
is
on
the
line,
I'm
wondering
if
there's
any
way
that
there
can
be
consideration
given
to
adjusting
the
bylaw
to
allow
for
these
scooters
to
be
on
our
lrt.
I
do
recall
that
my
colleague,
counselor
mckenny
had
one
of
these
scooters
on
during
the
very
early
days
of
lrt
and
it
didn't
take
up
much
room.
It
wasn't
much
bigger
than
a
bicycle,
and
I'm
just
wondering
if
that
would
be
something
that
we
could
consider
looking
into
as
part
of
the
initial
start
of
the
pilot.
R
Project,
mr
chair,
it's
it's
not
consistent
with
the
direction
we
have
to
this
point
from
the
transit
commission.
The
direction
has
been
that
we
will
allow
bicycles
on
board
our
trains
and
bicycles
on
board
buses
on
buses,
they're
carried
on
the
outside
of
the
bus,
so
they
don't
reduce
space
available
for
customers
inside
on
trains.
Bicycles
are
carried
at
the
first
door
of
each
train
in
the
multi-purpose
area
so
that
they
don't
reduce
accessibility
space
in
the
rest
of
the
in
the
rest
of
the
vehicle.
R
I
would
say
that,
at
this
early
stage,
we've
not
yet
done
any
safety
review
of
the
implications
of
allowing
these
electric
scooters
onto
train
platforms.
We
don't
truly
know
how
they
would
be
carried
down
to
the
train,
certainly
they
it
would
not
be
safe
to
ride
them
inside
a
transit
station
or
on
a
trained
platform.
R
These
are
things
that
we
could.
We
could
take
direction
from
the
transit
commission
on
if
there
were,
if
there
were
a
will
to
have
us
look
at
those
things.
I
would
also
point
out
that,
for
these
shared
devices,
their
best
utility
comes
when
they're
being
used
on
the
surface
and,
if
they're
being
transported
between
locations
by
train
or
by
bus
they're,
not
at
that
moment
being
used
to
extend
the
reach
of
the
transit
system
or
allow
people
to
travel
between
locations.
N
Thank
you,
mr
scrimmager.
Maybe
I
can
take
that
up
with
with
chair
hugely
who
I
see
is
on
the
line
and
we
can
discuss
further
uses
of
this.
I
do
have
another
question.
One
of
the
comments
that
was
made
by
one
of
the
delegations
was
in
response
to
rapid
response
to
retrieving
errant
scooters
and
I'm
just
wondering
from
city
staff.
N
K
L
It
through
the
for
users
to
take
a
picture
of
their
part
e-scooter
and
submit
that
to
conclude
their
ride,
so
there
are
as
well
as
the
the
training
we
discussed
earlier,
that's
in
the
app
describing
where
e-scooters
should
be
parked,
so
that
education
piece
is
also
going
to
be
important
to
address
these
guru.
N
I'm
I'm
very
pleased
that
we're
looking
at
this
pilot-
I
think
you
know
providing
various
alternatives
to
our
transportation
system-
is,
is
wonderful.
I
think
there's
going
to
be
some
hiccups,
we'll
have
to
to
figure
out,
as
this
pilot
goes
and
I'm
happy
that
staff
are
cognizant
of
it.
I'd
like
to
look
at
those
transit
options,
but
I
also
think
that
this
is
a
is
a
a
good
alternative
to
cycling
or
walking,
warrior
bus
or
even
more
importantly,
cars.
N
So
I
I
definitely
support
the
staff
recommendation
and
I
think
this
will
be
a
wonderful
thing,
but
I
do
identify
that
we
will
have
some
hiccups
to
go
as
we
go
through
this
pilot.
So
thank
you
to
staff
for
all
the
work
they've
done
on
this.
Thank
you,
chair.
A
Great
thank
you
for
that.
Councillor
dudas.
I
do
have
three
speaker
questions,
but
I'm
gonna
ask
that
counselor
egg
lie
if
it's
okay
with
councillor
fleurian
lieber
speak
first,
because
he
has
a
11
30
with
ottawa.
Public
health.
Is
that
okay,
great?
Thank
you
very
much
councillor
councillor.
O
Okay,
can
you
hear
me
yep?
Okay,
I'm
not
sure
I
I
hit
the
unmute
button,
but
whatever
so.
What
I
was
saying
is
thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
thanking
my
colleagues
for
granting
me
this
this
indulgence.
O
So
this
this
is
an
interesting
concept
and
I'm
happy
to
see
us
testing
it
out,
but
I
have
some
practical
concerns.
Maybe
staff
can
help
me
with
it
we've
seen,
especially
in
the
last
a
few
months,
how
well
our
our
mops
are
being
used.
We
have
cyclists,
we
have
walkers
going,
and
you
know
I've
heard
anecdotally
from
people
that
they're
feeling
that
sometimes
the
the
space
is
not
being
shared
as
well
as
it
could
be
shared,
and
by
that
I've
had
people
saying
all
of
a
sudden.
O
I
turn
around
there's
a
cyclist
behind
me
and
there's
been
no
bell
ringing.
There's
been
no
no
notice
that
that's
happening
and,
of
course,
in
a
lot
of
our
our
mops.
The
way
they're
designed
there's
not
a
lot
of
shoulder
room
to
allow
for
people
to
sort
of
get
out
of
the
way.
O
If
we're
going
to
add
another
vehicle
to
this,
what
can
staff
say
to
make
me
feel
comfortable
that
pedestrians
are
going
to
feel
comfortable
to
continue
to
use
the
mops
and
then
in
the
numbers
that
they
are
using
them
and
they're
not
going
to
feel
that
suddenly
they're
in
the
middle
of
a
roadway
with
scooters
and
car
and
and
and
bikes?
And
and
what
have
you.
K
K
K
It
is
on
using
the
bell
appropriately
in
using
a
behavior
which
focuses
on
sharing
and
providing
priority
to
pedestrians.
I
mean
both
cyclists
and
these
quarter.
Users
should
or
must
provide
a
priority
to
pedestrians
on
these
pathways
and-
and
that
is
quite
a
bit
part
of
the
education
that
we
will
be
focusing
on.
O
So
so
thank
you
for
that
cornell,
so
you
you've
gone
where
my
next
question
was
in
case
of
a
conflict
who
has
the
priority
or
who
should
have
the
priority
and-
and
you
you
quite
rightly,
I
think,
pointed
out
that
it's
pedestrians
will
there
be
a,
and
perhaps
this
has
already
been
dealt
with,
and
I
apologize
have
I
missed
it,
but
will
there
be
an
amped
up
we're
going
to
educate,
obviously,
but
will
there
be
an
an
amped
up
enforcement
piece
as
well
or
or
a
presence
at
least
of
bylaw
and
or
police
to
you
know,
at
least
to
present
the
message
of
how
these
mups
should
be
shared
in
the
initial
in
the
initial
weeks.
I
Through
you,
chair,
council
regularly,
we
will
be
doing
our
best
if
this
pilot
is
approved
to
definitely
have
a
presence
in
the
community
so
that
we
can
provide
that
education
to
residents
that
are
using
these
scooters
and
make
them
aware
of
the
restrictions
and
where
they
should
be
parked
when
they're
finished
their
ride.
For
that
day,.
O
And
I'm
not
suggesting
that
there
should
be
tickets
handed
out,
I'm
just
trying
to
find
out
how
we're
getting
that
message
out
and
and
I'm
assuming
cornell,
that
there
will
also
be
a
roll
out
sort
of
a
how-to
videos,
those
sorts
of
things
on
the
city
website
through
social
medias.
If
the
pilots
approved.
O
And
and
mr
chair,
this
question
is:
is
is
actually
for
for
for
councillor
luau
in
his
role
as
as,
though
as
the
liaison
with
the
with
the
disability
community
in
ottawa,
and
I'm
wondering
if
he
could
comment
on
on
how
the
committee
feels
in
terms
of
of
their
input
into
the
process
and
whether
they
feel
that
all
the
issues
that
they
may
have
had
with
adding
again
an
additional
vehicle
to
to
the
transportation
system,
whether
they're
satisfied
that
the
precautions
are
in
place
for
the
for
the
pilot
to
go
forward.
O
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
Well,
we
received
a
presentation
today
from
philip
b
turcotte,
who
is
the
chair
of
the
aac.
I
certainly
support
his
comments
and
would
like
to
see
further
engagement
with
the
aac.
As
this
pilot
rolls
out.
I
would
also
encourage
staff
to
carefully
consider
the
letter
that
came
in
from
the
cnib.
O
I
too
worry
about
parking
them
on
the
sidewalk.
I
think
that
there
is
an
opportunity
here
to
see
these
left
or
parked
in
the
furniture
portion
of
the
sidewalk.
It's
broken
up
in
in
such
a
manner
that
you
know,
in
order
to
avoid
accessibility
issues
that
we
certainly
concentrate
on
those
areas.
O
A
A
Thank
you.
So
we
have
a
well
you're,
actually
up
counselor
fleury,
and
then
we
have
vice
chair,
leaper
and
then
councillor
cavanaugh.
H
Mr,
mr
president,
I
do
have
a
bunch
of
questions.
I
wonder.
Maybe
I
can
start
with
asking
kelly
to
just
put
share
the
screen.
So
we've
all
seen
this
image
of
ottawa.
H
This
here
is
the
the
image
of
how
large
our
city
is.
I
look
to
montreal
because
that's
the
example
that
was
given
montreal
has
a
pilot,
and
I
believe,
if
I
listen
to
to
what
lime
was
saying
to
sam,
they
have
a
thousand
units
per
organization
there.
In
that
geographic
area.
H
I
would
support
councillor
dudas's
efforts.
I
think
you
know
I
hate
to
walk
into
a
pilot
where
we
trip
up
on
previous
pilots
and
I
recognize
cornell
and
his
team
are
very
focused,
but
we
should
really
have
a
conversation
as
a
city
to
do
a
debrief
on
why
the
bixi
program
didn't
work
in
the
first
place,
because
I
actually
think
we're
walking
right
into
the
same
path,
which
is
the
this
effort
needs
to.
H
This
pilot
needs
to
be
at
the
right
time,
with
the
right
volume
in
a
right
environment
for
analysis,
so
that
we
can
be
an
urban,
suburban
and
hopefully
rural
environment.
If
we
want
15
minute
neighborhoods,
these
are
great
tools
for
that.
I
would
support
councillor
dudas.
I
don't
know
if
she
was
going
that
far
but
really
engaging
with
oc
transpo
as
we
are
as
the
lrt's
reopening
today
again
and
as
we're
constructing
the
phase
2.
What
are
the
options,
perhaps
putting
some
some
blocks
ensuring
to
and
from
each
lrt
phase
2
stations?
H
I
think
those
are
great
tools.
Frankly,
it's
not
our
responsibility
to
to
know
where
the
residents
bring
them.
It's
to
offer,
ensure
that
there's
the
tools
for
when
they
get
at
a
station
and
want
to
get
back
home
and
then
it's
for
the
provider
to
figure
out
how
to
bring
them
back
to
to
those
stations,
and
they
know
that
I
guess
my
questions
are
a
couple
of
fronts,
one
which
is
I'm
unclear
about
enforcement,
and
I'm
on.
I
will
start
with
this.
H
I
don't
understand.
So
how
do
we
differentiate
today
and
it
it
might
sound
obvious,
but
it
isn't
to
me
when
I
read
the
report:
how
do
we
differentiate
today,
someone
that
is
on
an
on
an
e-bike
or
someone
that
is
on
a
regular
bike
or
someone
that
is
on
a
wheelchair,
like
I,
it's
becoming
confusing
and
I'm
unsure
as
to
who
enforces
violation,
so
where
can
maybe
with
the
first
one?
H
How
do
we
differentiate
between
this
report
and
this
pilot
versus,
because
we're
saying,
hey
notice,
sidewalks,
which
again,
I
think
is,
is
the
right
step,
but
I'm
unclear
as
to
okay?
Well,
then,
what
is
permitted
on
the
sidewalk,
because
we're
permitting
wheelchairs,
obviously
and
and
they're
electric?
So
how
do
we
differentiate
that?
How
how
in
our
bylaws
would
differentiate
between
a
a
wheelchair
or
use
for
accessibility
versus
here,
which
is
more
use
for
mobility?.
I
Thank
you
cornell
through
you,
mr
chair,
when
it
comes
to
moving
violations
counselor
on
the
sidewalks.
This
enforcement
is
done
through
the
ottawa
police
service,
so
boss
services
would
be
looking
at
the
parking
of
these
scooters
on
the
right
away,
but
for
the
different,
the
difference
between
a
mobility,
a
wheelchair
versus
an
e-scooter.
This
is
rarely
defined
under
the
hta
and
it
is
a
would
be
a
police
issue
for
enforcement.
H
And
and
who
would
enforce
so
if
we
were
to
pass
the
directions
today?
Who
would
enforce
violation
to
the
ncc
like
who
enforces
the
ncc
multi-use
path?.
H
Are
we
sure
about
that
because
I'm
in
a
moving
condition,
I'm
on
an
e-scooter?
Who
can
stop
me
other
than
a
police
officer.
I
Well,
I
would
either
rcmp
or
one
of
their
own
conservation
officers
and
I
can't
speak
for
the
ncc,
but
we
can
follow
up
with
the
ncc
to
kind
of
get
that
answer
for
your
counselor.
H
Yeah.
Okay,
mr
chair,
I
think
this
is
an
important
part
of
the
report.
I,
like
the
effort
of
the
team,
to
bring
forward
a
pilot.
I
am
uncomfortable
of
establishing
a
pilot
with
the
cap
environment
that
we've
put
today
and
I'm
also
uncomfortable
that
we
don't
have
the
enforcement
side
of
this.
What
are
the
moving
violations.
H
We've
we've
had
issues
because
this
is
an
unlicensed
environment
in
our
own
parks.
We've
had
issues
of
cycling
and
pedestrian
conflicts
where
there
have
been
incidents
and
because
they're
unlicensed,
because
there's
no
license
plate.
We
we've
seen
bylaw
and
ottawa
police
struggle,
so
I
would
have.
I
would
really
hope,
to
hear
from
bailon
police
on
what
is
the
monitoring?
What's
the
enforcement
of
this,
and
so
that
we
can,
we
can
have
a
fulsome
review
of
that
I'll
I'll
move
on
to
other
questions.
H
But
though
this
is
a
remains,
a
huge
concern
to
me.
One
minute,
counseling
yeah
parking
parking
element.
I
would.
I
would
like
us
to
consider
a
couple
of
additional
penalties.
We
we
had
a
good
example
in
our
chair
at
worked
on
this
effort
a
number
of
years
ago
with
the
shopping
carts,
which
were
a
big
driver
of
the
penalties
for
some
of
the
grocery
stores
yeah.
H
I
I
wonder
why
don't
we
use
a
similar
model?
The
24-hour
compliance
for
sidewalk
seems
very
long.
If,
if
the
scooter
is
at
the
corner
of,
I
don't
know,
rito
and
cumberland
and
people
are
jumping
through
it
and
kick
it
on
the
street
or
so
on
so
forth.
We
need
very
timely
response
to
sidewalk
accessibility
issues
and
walkability
issues.
I
wonder,
could
we
not
install
a
similar
penalty
such
as
the
grocery
carts.
R
If
the
scooter
is
outside
of
the
compliance
window,
city
staff
will
respond
and
impound
the
scooter
we'll
take
them
back
to
our
herdman
yard.
They
will
be
stationed
there
and
the
company,
whether
it's
lime,
bird,
any
other
company,
will
be
invoiced
the
cost
of
our
time
and
also
with
the
15
markup
fee
for
administration
services,
the
overhead.
So
we
we
do
have
a
plan
in
place
similar
to
our
current
shopping,
cart,
retrieval
program.
A
C
Chair
just
some
quick
clarification,
we've
heard
a
couple
of
different
numbers
with
respect
to
the
cap.
Is
it
300
or
600.
C
Okay
and
we've
heard
the
rationale
for
for
being
very
conservative.
I
do
think
it's
really
conservative
and
I
hope
we
will
look
at
that
when
it
comes
time
to
extend
the
the
pilot.
The
second
question
I
have
is
with
respect
to
liability,
who
bears
what
reliability?
Sorry?
Who
bears
what
liability
in
the
case
of
a
collision
between
somebody
on
a
scooter,
for
example,
and
a
pedestrian
on
a
city
right
of
way?
Maybe
legal
could
weigh
in.
K
Okay,
I
I'd
like
to
ask
diana
to
respond
to
this
question.
M
Through
you
to
the
chair,
we
would
like
our
colleagues
in
in
legal
to
answer
this
question.
G
In
terms
of
liability,
it
might
depend
on
the
various
factors
that
cause
the
collision
itself,
certainly
with
the
shared
providers.
There
are
standard
in
the
medication
and
insurance
provisions
in
those
agreements
that
should
protect
the
city,
but
again
it'll
be
a
very
fact
specific
scenario.
C
Okay,
as
part
of
running
the
these
businesses
in
our
city,
we
have
explicit
requirements
for
that
indemnification.
C
Fantastic
and
maybe
legal
can
stay
on
the
line
for
just
a
moment.
My
third
question
is
around
the
point
that
was
raised.
I'm
sorry,
I've
forgotten
his
name
with
the
accessibility
committee
anyways.
Mr
mr
turcotte.
Thank
you
very
much.
Mr
church
raised
the
possibility
of
adding
to
this
bylaw
with
another
clause
or
or
category
of
violation
which
would
be
operating
a
scooter,
an
e-scooter
in
a
fashion
that
presents
a
barrier
to
accessibility.
G
Well,
there
are
currently
provisions
that
prohibit
you
know,
leaving
or
obstructing
the
sidewalks.
So
we
can
certainly
look
at
that
and
we
can
consult
back
with
staff
to
determine
if
adding
a
specific
provision
to
that
effect
may
be
more
helpful.
C
Okay,
that's
something
I
might
want
to
explore
with
the
committee
members
over
the
course
of
the
next
couple
weeks
before
this
comes
to
council,
just
one
more
tool
that
we
would
have
a
question
for,
I
guess
both
bylaw
and
for
legal.
C
If
we
don't
allow
e-scooters
in
the
city's
right-of-way,
which,
if
I
understand
where
we're
coming
from
right
now,
is
something
that
the
province
has
said
you
can,
if
you
create
a
regulatory
regime
for
it,
do
we
anticipate
that
very
many
people
like
me,
are
going
to
be
going
out
and
and
buying
these
and
what
would
happen
if
somebody
purchased
one
of
these
and
wrote
it
on
the
road
to
get
back
and
forth
to
the
lrt
station?
If
we
don't
create
a
regulatory
regime
that
covers
e-scooters?
Is
that
a
violation.
G
I
can
certainly
answer
the
questions,
so,
mr
sure
it
would
be
a
violation
of
the
city's
trafficking
parking
bylaw,
because
it's
not
a
vehicle.
That's
that's
allowed
on
the
road
currently.
C
Okay-
and
I
don't
know
how
popular
these
are-
are
going
to
become
and
then
my
final
question
share
is
you
know
we're
talking
about
micro
mobility
devices
here,
which
is
something
that
we
want
to
think
about
in
terms
of
a
broader
conversation
as
we're
going
through
our
transportation
master
plan,
how
are
people
going
to
make
short
trips
in
a
way
that
is
easier
and
that
provides
an
alternative
to
walking?
Certainly
I'm
anticipating
that
I'll
use
a
knee
scooter.
C
Similarly
to
what
I
would
use
a
bike
as
I
bike
to
the
lrt
station,
because
it's
just
a
little
too
far
to
always
be
comfortable
walk.
I
bring
my
bike
on
the
lrt
and
then
I
get
not
during
peak,
and
then
I
get
I
finish
my
trip
with
my
bike.
Scooters
are
an
even
less
impactful
device.
You
can
fold
them
up.
If
you
hop
on
the
train,
it's
going
to
take
a
lot
less
space
than
a
cyclist
would
have
my
I've
got
a
particularly
big
bike.
C
My
hope
would
be
that
the
transit
commission
will
pay
some
attention
to
modifying
the
bylaw
so
that
we
treat
these
devices
as
we
currently
treat
bikes
in
an
effort
to
spur
these
short
trips
to
increase
ridership
on
the
lrt
it's
very
different,
taking
your
bike,
or
maybe
an
e-scooter
to
an
lrt
station
that
is
two
kilometers
away
compared
to
taking
a
bus
to
get
to
an
lrt
station.
That
is
two
kilometers
away,
and
I
think
we
want
to
encourage
those
kind
of
more
sensitive
uses
of
micro
mobility
devices.
A
Great
thank
you
for
that.
We
have
councillor
fleury
back
on
deck.
H
Yes,
it
is
an
interesting
subject.
I
want
to
thank
councillor
lieber
for
those
questions
to
legal.
I
want
to
go
back
to
it
for
a
second.
So
if,
if
there's
a
pedestrian
and
a
cyclist
that
hit
each
other
in
a
park,
is
it
bylaw
that
is
it
a
claim
by
an
individual
to
the
city?
Is
it
bylaw
that
enforces
because
it
was
a
moving
violation
or
is
it
ottawa,
police.
G
I
would
imagine
if
it's
happening
in
a
park,
mr
chair,
that
it
would
be
viral
services
and
again
depending
on
the
cause
of
the
collision.
Often
these
are
multifaceted.
So
again,
it
would
be
a
very
fact,
specific
scenario.
I
H
Could
be
there
I'm
going
a
bit
broader.
I
recognize
the
reports
on
e-scooters,
but
I
I've
seen
issues
today.
What
I'm
trying
to
highlight
is
we
don't
have
ottawa
police
here
and
bylaw
does
not
enforce
moving
violations
under
the
highway
traffic
act.
It's
entirely
responded
by
the
police,
so
it's
great
to
have
bylaw
here
to
speak,
to
the
bylaw
of
where
you
park
these
things,
or
you
know
the
the
frame
on
the
pilot.
I'm
I'm
fine
with
that.
I'm
am
very
concerned
around.
H
This
is
not
on
police
radar
and
cycling.
Pedestrian
issues
in
the
past
have
not
been
on
police
radar
and
we've
seen
individuals
I've
seen.
Personally,
we
have
individuals
that
got
hurt
on
ncc
maltese
pathway,
where
the
pro
the
appropriate
traction
of
that
injury
was
not
done
so.
Individuals
don't
know
who
had
who
hit
them
and
weren't
able
to
pursue
and
get
the
appropriate
claims
into
the
the
insurance.
H
Because
of
it-
and
I
I
wonder,
counselor
lever
is
quite
right:
the
same
risk
exists
today
or
or
the
risk
is
lower
for
e,
but
e-scooters
as
it
relates
to
the
use
of
you
know
where
you
could
cycle.
I
get
that,
but
I
think
we
have
to
be
cognizant
of
to
this.
E-Scooter
is
parked
on
a
sidewalk,
so
it
starts.
The
ride
starts
on
a
sidewalk
and
ends
on
a
sidewalk
which
is
not
on
the
street.
H
So
we
have
to
be
cognizant
of
who
takes
responsibility
at
what
point
in
time
on
the
liability
front
and
I'm
very
concerned
that
we
don't
have
police
so
jake,
could
you
be
specific
to
the
broader,
not
e-scooter,
but
if,
if
a
cyclist
and
a
pedestrian
hit
each
other
on
in
a
city
park,
so
we'll
get
away
from
the
roadway
for
a
second
at
a
multi-use
pathway?
A
And
jake,
just
before
you
answer
that,
I'm
giving
some
thought
to
this
with
these
multiple
scenarios,
where
clearly
counselor
fleury
is
quite
correct.
It'd
be
good
to
have
some
police
feedback
on
that.
Can
I
suggest
if
there
is
multiple
scenarios
that
between
the
council
and
myself,
we
send
these
questions
prior
to
going
to
council
for
the
final
vote,
because
I
think
we
can
come
up
with
a
multitude
of
scenarios
and
we
can
be
here
until
four
o'clock
and
it'd
be
better
to
do
it
in
writing
and
get
that
response
back
from
ops.
A
L
Thank
you
just
through
your
chair,
so
we
have
been
working
with
ottawa
police
services
and
we
they
have
received.
A
A
L
Sorry,
can
you
hear
me
now
yeah,
okay,
thank
you.
So,
through
your
chair,
we
have
been
working
with
ottawa
police
services
and
we've
been
notified
that
they
recently
received
an
all
chiefs
memo
which
the
ministry
of
transportation
has
sent
to
chiefs
across
the
province,
and
they
have.
Let
us
know
that
the
full
profit
staff
will
be
back
regular
deployment
on
june
29th
and
that
they
have
advised
staff
that
as
they're
doing
for
patrols,
if
they
happen
to
see
e-scooter
violations
to
respond.
A
And
that's
very
good,
thank
you
for
that.
So,
just
before
we
go
to
jake
now,
so
we'll
make
a
note
of
that
that
these
more
specific
ones
that
involve
multiple
people,
I
think
still
it
would
be
good
to
have
a
little
clarity
on
that.
But
it's
preferable
in
writing.
So
we
can
actually
ask
individual
scenarios.
Are
you
good
with
that?
Counselor
fleury.
H
Jake
want
to
go
back
to
the
report,
so
there's
two
ft's
that
are
identified,
we've
seen
the
success
of
having
proactive
officers
on
a
ptc
front.
Wondering
if
you
could
comment
is
them
is
the
similar
model
selected
for
enforcement.
Under
this
pilot.
I
Through
you,
mr
chair,
counselor
fleury,
at
this
time,
it's
not
going
to
be
a
similar
model
as
the
ptc,
however,
pylon
regulatory
services
will
be
tracking
requests
for
service
and
after
the
first
year,
if
we
identify
that,
we
do
need
to
assign
individuals
to
it.
Then
that's
where
we
will
make
that
ask
at
that.
H
H
I
think
that
we're
too
low
in
the
number
and
I'd
love
mr
chair.
If,
if
we
could
work
together
ahead
of
council,
I
know
there's
other
members,
including
counselor
lieber
and
counselor
dudas,
that
were
interested
in
expanding
the
cap.
I
think
we
need
to
work
together
on
on
seeing
with
that,
making
sure
that
that
number
would
be
expanded
and
appropriate.
H
I
I
have
no
concerns
around
you
know
our
bike
paths
and
and
cycling
networks
are
improving,
and
these
are
great
additions
to
the
transportation
network.
It
has
to
be
done
right
for
all
of
us,
who've
traveled
to
europe
and
and
asia.
You
know
that
this
can
get
very
chaotic,
very
quickly,
so
great
that
it's
a
pilot
great,
that
we
were
considering
a
lot
of
the
elements.
H
I
would
encourage
us
to
look
at
the
lrt,
specifically
ahead
of
the
phase
two
opening
to
really
be
in
place
with
some
of
those
strategies
to
have
the
right
level
of
penalties
if
they
are
in
walkable,
accessible,
sidewalk
spaces
if
they
are
parked,
so
that
the
penalty
is
significant
enough,
that
the
companies
are
quick,
quick
at
at
being
on
top
of
it
and
yeah
I'll
leave
it
at
that.
Maybe
the
last
point
is
on
the
ncc.
H
I
would
challenge
the
ncc's
enforcement
abilities
of
a
moving
violation
through
their
multi-use
pathway,
because
today
there
there
is
cyclists
that
are
on
e-bikes,
that
travel
along
the
ncc
pathways
and
I've
not
seen
the
ncc
make
any
effort
of
enforcing
those,
and
I
don't
understand
how
you
know
if,
if
counselor
leaper
were
to
get
his
e-bike
today
and
go
on
an
ncc
pathway,
how
that
would
be
monitored
or
enforced.
So
I
wonder
if
the
ncc
comments
only
reflect
to
those
who
are
licensed
providers
and
less
so
to
the
users.
A
Okay,
great,
thank
you
very
much
councillor
fleury,
I'm
looking
here.
We
have
councillor
hoovley
and
councillor.
F
J
Just
have
a
quick
point
to
follow
up
on
counselor
weeper's
comments.
It
would
stop
the
you're
talking
about
bringing
this
to
the
transit
commission
for
use
on
the
trains
and
space
there.
When
do
you
envision
that
happening
after
the.
J
R
I'm
sorry
cornell.
The
question
was
about:
how
are
you,
how
are
we
together
going
to
look
at
options
to
change
the
change,
the
regulations
on
what
vehicles
can
be
carried
or
brought
on
board
transit?
It
was
about
timing,
it
wasn't
about
the
practicality,
I'm
happy
to
help
to
answer
the
question,
but
I
don't
know
how
I
can.
J
R
J
What
I'm
wondering
is,
as
counselor
leaper
alluded
to
some
changes
needed
at
the
transit
commission
with
regards
to
bringing
scooters
onto
the
trains
and
use
them
because
he's
right.
It
makes
a
lot
of
sense
that
it
would
take
less
space
than
a
bike,
and
it
is
all
about
that
last
mile,
first
or
last
mile.
So
is
there
something
we
need
to
do
to
facilitate
this
pilot
at
the
transit
commission
or
is?
Is
the
plan
to
wait
to
after
the
pilot.
R
Mr
chair,
my
understanding
of
the
pilot
as
it's
recommended
is
that
it
would
there
would
be
geo-fencing
to
prevent
these
vehicles
from
being
driven
inside
transit
stations
and
that
there
is
no
proposal
as
part
of
the
pilot
to
allow
customers
of
these
companies
to
move
the
the
the
vehicles
between
stations
on
the
train.
R
R
Vehicles
brought
into
transit
stations
brought
to
transit
vehicles.
There
is
a
there
is
an
assessment
that
we
ought
to
make
of
whether
it's
courteous
to
other
customers
to
allow
that
and
whether
it's
safe
to
allow
it,
if,
of
course,
they
are
folded
up
and
carried.
Perhaps-
and
maybe
legal
services
could
comment,
perhaps
they're
not
vehicles
at
that
point,.
J
Okay,
so,
while
lego's
getting
ready
to
answer
that
to
be
clear,
then
so
for
the
purposes
of
the
pilot,
the
the
geo
fencing
will
prevent
them
from
coming
into
the
transit
stations
and
I'm
assuming
that
we're
gonna.
Look
at
that
after
the
pilot,
which
gives
us
lots
of
time.
So.
R
I
think
so
I
think
cornell
and
vp
could
probably
comment
on
what
they
what
they
expect,
that
they
would
be
monitoring
and
recommending
as
a
result
of
the
pilot.
K
I
mean
we
will
be
following
the
travel
patterns
of
people
and
see
how
what
percentage
is
going
to
transit
and
in
terms
of
the
shared
scooters
I
mean
they're.
We
are
expecting
actually
that
there
will
be
some
disadvantage
of
taking
them
on
the
train,
because
it's
adding
to
the
time
of
the
the
charge
time
for
the
scooters,
but
that's
the
different
situation
for
the
private,
privately
owned
scooters.
K
K
I'm
expecting
that
within
the
first
couple
of
months.
Quite
a
few
things
will
be
more
obvious
and
for
the
second
year
of
the
pilot,
if
the
pilot
goes
on
for
second
year,
then
we
will
be
in
a
much
much
better
position
in
in
coming
up
with
a
suggestion
without
speculating.
How
will
people
react.
J
G
Yes,
message
here
so
currently,
based
on
the
way
that
the
transit
pilot
is
awarded
electric
kicks
electric
excluders,
whether
they're,
private
or
shared,
would
not
be
allowed
on
buses
or
actually.
J
Okay,
thank
you.
Maybe
councillor
lieber,
let's
discuss
this
offline
and
see
where
we
want
to
go
with
it.
I
I'm
supportive
of
what
your
your
comments
were.
So,
let's
see
what
we
can
do,
this.
A
We'll
just
get
back
to
the
list
here
we'll
be
all
day
folks,
so
trust
counselor,
hubey
you're
done
with
your
questioning
so
I'll
go
to
counselor.
G
Thank
you
very
much.
Many
of
my
questions
were
asked
by
councillor
fleury
and
but
one
of
the
things
that
I'd
like
to
know,
because
currently
I
I
deal
mostly
with
ncc
pads
ironically,
so
it
won't
be
applicable
and
it's
interesting
how
this
whole
geofencing
works,
but
so
I
guess
they're
not
going
to
be
in
the
area
for
for
us,
but
I
just
want
to
know
in
terms
of
the
overall
messaging.
G
What
is
the
timing
on
getting
messaging
out
in
terms
of
safety,
because
I
I
don't
see
it
unique
to
these
e-scooters?
I
think
we
still
have
to
do
a
lot
of
education
on
on
cyclists
on
mups
mops
are
just
inherently
dangerous
when
we're
mixing
pedestrians
with
cyclists
and
other
vehicles.
G
So
is
it
possible
that
we
can
start
ramping
up
our
our
our
courtesy
system
to
get
people
to
be
more
courteous
on
on
mups
in
general
as
soon
as
possible?
Notwithstanding
this
e-scooter.
L
Okay,
sorry
about
that
counselor
kavanagh!
Yes,
we
can.
Our
plan
is
to
begin
planning
for
the
messaging.
Should
this
report
pass
immediately
and
we
can
certainly
tie
it
in
with
larger
messages
and
more
comprehensive
messages
about
generally
being
courteous
on
mobs.
G
Thank
you.
I
appreciate
that
and
I
hope
our
ncc
partners
will
cooperate
on
that
because
it's
mostly
their
past
that
we
get
the
complaints
on,
but
we're
left
to
doing
the
the
educating.
So
I
hope
they'll
they'll
contribute
somehow
we
we
do
have
a
major
problem
on
that,
which
is,
you
know,
makes
it
harder
to
sell
the
e-scooter
when
they're
not
happy
with
the
cyclists
at
the
moment,
who
are
not
courteous,
I.e,
don't
ring
their
bells,
etc.
G
A
A
great
thank
you
for
that.
I
think
we've
had
a
real
fulsome
discussion
on
this
item.
I
will
note,
since
there's
no
more
questions.
First
of
all,
I've
had
a
lot
of
comments
from
from
council
colleagues
about
the
number
in
the
cap.
I'm
half
inclined
I'm
not
a
specialist
in
this
field.
I
trust
their
staff
do
a
tremendous
job,
but
can
I
ask,
maybe
I
don't
know
if
it's
dvd
or
who
would
speak
to
this
about
that
that
magic
number
of
600?
If
we
don't
see
that
satisfying
our
needs?
G
Of
course,
we
will
be
very
open
to
increasing
that
I
what
we
heard
from
lime
and
bird
canada
today
they
want
this
to
be
a
success
in
ottawa
and
I
trust-
and
I
believe
that
they
will
do
everything
they
can
to
make
sure
that
wayward
scooters
are
not
in
the
way
of
pedestrians,
and
we
will
work
with
them
to
to
make
this
pilot
be
a
success
and,
of
course,
we're
very
open
to
increasing
the
number.
But
let's
start
with
the
600.
G
For
now
it
seems
like
a
good
number,
and
I
know
that
the
service
providers
use
that
number
as
part
of
their
business
planning.
So,
let's,
let's,
let's
have
a
look,
and
this
is
a
pilot.
After
all.
Thank
you.
A
A
If
we
wanted
to
let's
say
all
600
are
being
used,
we're
having
wild
success,
would
we
have
to
go
back
through
committee
and
back
through
council
which
could
take
it
takes
a
month
or
two
in
in
the
covered
world
to
be
able
to
add
more
on,
or
is
this
something
that
staff
will
have
full
authority
to
be
able
to
save
we're,
adding
on
two
more
200
more.
A
I'm
I'm
looking
around
and
based
on
some
of
the
emails
I'm
seeing.
I
think
that
might
be
something
of
value,
because
you
know
we,
you
know
we
want
to
continue
the
success
and
again
I'm
just
looking
around.
Maybe
if
you
use
your
thumb,
if
you're
good
with
that,
maybe
we
can
put
that
into
some
something
that
staff
will
have
that
opportunity
to
be
able
to
expand
those
numbers
on
their
own
instead
of
having
to
come
all
the
way
back
and
a
good,
I
see
thumbs
up
like
he
yeah
yeah,
okay,
great
good.
G
Sorry,
I'm
also
reminded
that
I
just
recall
the
the
report
also
mentions
about
being
able
to
expand
it
as
well.
So,
okay.
A
All
right
we
should
have
led
with
that.
We
could
have
saved
an
hour
all
right.
So
on
that
note,
I
do
want
to
point
out
a
couple
other
things.
First
of
all,
the
province,
just
to
reiterate
the
province
is
the
one
that
actually
wanted
us
to
go
ahead
with
this
project.
Is
that.
A
A
K
We
have
we
had
lots
of
discussions
with
the
ncc
and
their
current
regulation
does
not
allow
the
e-scooters
and
they
have
they
have
to
change
it.
I
mean
they
are
allowing
muscular
power
vehicles
only
on
their
pathways,
and-
and
I
mean
they
are-
they
have
some
concerns,
but
actually
it's
it's.
It's
a
decision
that
they
they
will
have
to
have
to
make.
I
mean
they
said
that
they
are
not
just
ready
at
the
moment,
but
I
mean
they
are
talking
about.
A
Okay
and
that
that's
fair,
so
maybe
jeff
and
I
will
grab
toby
and
we'll
go
for
a
scoot
and
convince
him.
Otherwise,
when
it
comes
to
I'm
happy
to
hear
you
know,
our
shopping
cart
thing
that
we
did
many
years
ago
and
I
was
called
the
shopping
cart
king
for
quite
a
while
is
actually
going
to
help
on
that
front.
So
that
was
a
great
question.
I
appreciate
that
and
again,
if
we
can
loop
back
on
the
enforcement
aspect.
Report
council,
I
appreciate
that
so
we've
gotten
through
all
our
questioning.
A
I
want
to
thank
all
the
staff
we
do
have
amending
techno
technical
motion
that
vice
chair
leeper
is
going
to
move
right
now.
C
Thanks
chair,
so
whereas
the
staff
report
on
ottawa's
electric
kicks
to
scooter
strategy
and
pilot
project
listed
as
item
two
on
today's
transportation
committee
agenda
includes
nine
supporting
documents
and
whereas
draft
versions
of
document
three
and
document
five
were
unintentionally
included
with
the
transportation
committee
agenda
distributed
on
may
25th
2020
and
whereas
revised
versions
of
documents,
three
and
five
were
distributed
to
council
and
posted
to
ottawa.ca
on
may
29.
2020,
therefore
be
it
resolve.
C
A
There
we
go
better,
I'm
learning,
okay,
so
so
on.
The
technical
technical
motion
is
that
carried
kerry.
A
Also,
there
is
a
another
motion
by
councillor.
Minard,
that
is,
staff
supported.
Is
that
item
carried
carried
great
and
on
items
two
and
three
that
we've
had
the
presentations
on
are
both
those
items
carry.
D
A
Great,
thank
you
very
much
committee.
So
we'll
move
on
to
the
next
item,
which
is,
I
believe
it
was
held
by
councilman
art
as
well,
in
regards
to
vanguard,
drive,
extension,
councilman
r.
B
Yes,
thank
you.
I
just
have
one
question
on
this
and
because
it
was
in
the
report,
it's
about
the
finances
of
it
in
the
the
dc's
versus
the
the
payment
of
through
taxes.
So
is
the
is
the
extension
portion
we're
talking
about
fully
taxpayer
funded
or
is
there
a
portion
that
is
also
dc?
And
I
just
was-
I
was
reading
through
the
report
and
I
couldn't
divulge
that
okay.
D
If
I
may,
mr
chair
and
jeff,
the
qn
may
follow
up.
If
I,
if
I.
O
Get
this
wrong,
but
the
road
itself
for
the
construction
of
the
road.
D
It's
a
collector
road,
it's
not
subject
to
dc's,
mr
chair,
so
it
will
be
funded
by
the
landowners
the
developers
around
there.
It
is
just
the
intersection
that
is
on
the
dc
list
and
it'll,
be
the
intersection
that'll
be
funded
by
dc.
So
the
question
with
respect
to
the
road,
the
road
is
completely
the
surrounding
landowners.
B
Okay,
when
you
say
surrounding
land
owners,
is
it
going
to
be
a
local
levee?
I
don't
understand.
D
Mr
chair
it'll
be
the
landowners
who
pay
for
it
through
their
development,
maybe
one
in
one
of
them
or
maybe
a
consortium
of
them.
That
would
be
the
ones
paying
for
it
through
that
construction.
N
Sorry
I
jumped
in
a
little
bit
too
late
there.
I
just
want
to
note
that
this
this
particular
road
falls
under
cumberland
ward.
However,
it
actually
will
run
directly
into
innisford
and
it's
going
to
service
a
number
of
communities
that
are
building
up,
but
it's
also
going
to
provide
a
bit
of
a
a
release
on
the
impact
of
traffic
on
innis
road.
N
So
you
know
I
looked
to
my
council
colleagues
for
support
on
this.
I
know
this
is
a
ward
19.
It
affects
all
areas
of
the
east
and
it
is
a
very
vital
component
of
our
networks,
our
transportation
networks
going
forward,
and
it
will
actually
run
not
too
far
from
what
will
be
a
bus,
rapid
transit
connection.
So
it's
all
intertwined
and
it
provides
an
economic
opportunity
as
well.
A
Great
thank
you
for
that
and
thank
you
for
deputy
mayor
lulaf
and
yourself
flora
for
watching
over
that
that
district.
So
on
this
item,
is
this
kerry.
P
A
P
A
So
so
now
we're
moving
on
yes
to
the
exciting
item.
The
one
we've
been
waiting
for
a
frosty
one.
So
on
this
I
believe
we
do
have
a
presentation.
I
think
it
it's
comedy
is
court
doing
this
one.
I.
A
A
M
We're
just
having
some
technical
difficulties,
it'll
just
be
a
minute.
A
D
S
I
apologize
chair
I
had
stepped
out
of
the
room
momentarily
to
take
a
bio
break.
So
I'm
here
my
apologies
to
the
committee
members
and
thank
you
very
much
for
giving
us
the
opportunity
to
to
speak
with
you
today.
I'm
joined
by
lilah
gibbons,
who,
as
you
know,
is
the
director
of
roads
and
parking
services
and
also
heading
up
the
economic
recovery
task
force
with
mr
willis.
So
I'm
just
going
to
actually
pass
over
to
lila
say
a
few
words
before
I
begin
my
presentation.
D
Hi,
thank
you
for
having
us
so
before
I
turn
the
floor
over
to
court.
I
just
want
to
extend
a
thank
you
to
our
partners,
like
the
small
business
communities,
the
bias,
our
internal
partners,
particularly
public
health,
our
members
of
council
and
the
mayor's
office
for
providing
us
with
some
valuable
input
and
ideas,
as
we
develop
and
implement
programs
and
processes
to
support
the
the
restart
of
the
local
economy.
What's
the
province
and
are
the
officials
in
public
health
start
to
open
up
more
of
the
business
sector?
D
So
what
I'll
do
is
I'll
turn
it
over
to
court?
He
will
go
through
our
presentation
and
we'll
be
open
up
to
questions
right
after.
S
Thank
you
great
thanks.
Lila,
I'm
also
joined
by
melanie
knight
who's,
our
program
manager
of
public
ramen
urban
design,
who
has
custody
of
the
city's
patio
program.
So
next
slide,
please
kelly.
So
on
the
slide.
Chair
and
members
of
council
are
some
very
important
stats
that
have
been
provided
by
our
economic
development.
Colleagues,
really
demonstrating
the
importance
of
the
restaurant
and
small
business
retail
sector
in
ottawa.
S
S
S
Next
slide,
please
study
objectives,
and,
while
I
would
be
before
you
today,
on
a
expedited
fashion,
really
coming
out
of
that
council
meeting
of
last
week
for
council
task
staff
through
the
mayor's
economic
task
force
through
working
up
through
cobia
and
through
the
ways
and
means
that
lila
mentioned,
but
look
at
ways
that
we
can
redouble
our
efforts,
provide
support
to
our
small
business
and
retail
sector
and
our
restaurant
sector,
in
anticipation
of
provincial
restrictions
being
gradually
loosened
over
the
coming
weeks.
Really
the
objectives
are
four-fold.
S
One
is
to
assist
businesses
the
comedy
physical
distancing
requirements,
that's
our
first
and
foremost
objective.
The
second
one
is
to
support
the
economic
recovery
of
that
of
these
sectors
and
the
re-emergence
of
the
tourism
sector
throughout
2020,
the
third
overriding
and
paramount-
and
we
spent
some
time
talking
about
this
morning-
is
ensure
that
accessibility
is
paramount
through
anything
that
we
do
and
the
final
is
an
opportunity
to
pilot
public
realm
improvements
in
line
with
the
byward
market
public
ground
plan
that
will
be
before
council
later
this
year.
S
Next
slide,
please
so
just
to
take
you
back
to
the
last
week.
Last
week's
council
council
on
may
27th
really
focused
on
on
right-of-way,
patios
and
tourist
kiosks,
so
essentially
patios
that
are
on
public
property,
so
council
essentially
reduced
all
fees
for
right-of-way
patios
for
cafe
seating,
which
are
our
small
bistro
tables
and
chairs
to
typically
see
outside
a
a
cafe
and
also
tourist
kiosks.
S
So,
just
to
give
you
a
perspective,
the
typical
a
typical
restaurant
occupying
a
right-of-way
patio
would
pay
between
about
three
thousand
to
four
thousand
dollars
a
year
to
the
city
in
in
in
permit
fees.
Council
last
week
reduced
those
fees
down
to
sixty
two
dollars.
S
The
second
piece
was
a
confirmation
that
patios
can
remain
either
at
the
curbside
against
the
building
face
or
at
street
side.
In
on-street
parking
space.
There
is
also
reduction
of
fees
for
first-time
patio
applications.
So
what
we're
hearing
from
the
industry
is
is,
in
general,
they're,
looking
to
move
two-thirds
of
their
operations
from
the
inside
of
the
restaurants
to
the
outside.
We
anticipate
several,
if
not.
S
Of
new
applications
for
patios
or
expansions
of
existing
patios,
and
so
council
approved
a
fee
for
for
this
of
340
dollars,
plus
the
patio
permit
fee
of
62
and
a
10-day
business
service
commitment
get
these
out
the
door
as
soon
as
possible,
and
finally,
we've
been
operating
for
about
16
years
with
a
cap
on
the
number
of
cafe
seating
tables
and
chairs
per
establishment,
so
four
tables
four
bistro
tables
and
eight
chairs.
S
These
are
always
unlicensed
spaces,
in
line
with
the
agco
recommendations,
not
recommendations,
policies
rather
council
took
off
the
cap
and
basically
will
allow,
as
many
of
these
cafe
seating
tables
as
can
be
established
in
the
right
of
way
and,
of
course,
where
there's
an
interest
from
the
property
owner
next
slide,
please
kelly.
S
So
what
staff
has
to
bring
before
a
committee
today
and
council
on
june
10th?
Should
this
be?
The?
The
will
of
committee
is
really
a
groundbreaker
in
ottawa,
which
is
the
creation
of
new
outdoor
retail
spaces
in
the
right
of
way.
So
currently,
retail
outside
of
a
business
on
city
property
in
the
right-of-way
is
only
permitted
as
a
special
event,
so
a
sidewalk
sale
on
a
weekend
for
mother's
day
for
easter
or
whatnot.
S
S
S
The
second
type
of
permit
would
be
what
we're
calling
the
retail
pop-up
space
permit,
which
is
really
modeled
on
the
cafe
seating
program.
The
smaller
fee,
which
allows
stores
that
want
to
have
a
table
outside
to
process
cash
payments
or
to
have
stands
or
or
small
styles,
just
to
sell
goods
to
have
those
against
the
building
face,
and
the
expectation
there
is
that
those
are
mobile
and
that
they
come
in
and
out
at
night
and
don't
occupy
the
right-of-way.
S
These
fees
are
modeled
on
the
patio
fees
and
are
deliberately
set
to
offset
our
administrative
cost
to
get
these
permits
through
through
the
system
out
the
door
and
suffice
it
to
say,
we've
been
working
very
closely
with
ottawa
public
health
on
the
directives
that
we
would
share
with
with
permit
holders
and
working
through
our
economic
development
partners,
as
well
with
all
the
great
tools
that
they're
providing
our
bias
and
economic
partners
in
the
community
to
to
ensure
that
they're,
the
latest
directives
with
regards
to
physical,
distancing
and
the
handling
of
goods,
etc.
S
So
the
proposal
here
is
to
allow
food
trucks
to
set
up
in
the
parking
lots
of
approved
city
parks,
and
I
want
to
stress
that
it'll
be
approved.
City
parks,
we're
working
closely
with
our
colleagues
in
bylaw
and
regulatory
services
who
oversee
food
truck
licensing
and
obviously
our
colleagues
in
recreation,
cultural
facility
services
to
oversee
our
parks
to
identify
specific
parks
and
areas
within
within
parks
that
can
be
made
available
for
food
trucks
and
really
here.
S
The
goal
is
to
is
to
help
our
restaurant
sector,
who
often
have
a
mobile
food
truck
or
who
may
wish
to
have
a
mobile
operation
get
into
our
city
parks,
where
we
anticipate
that
we
will
have
a
lot
more
residents,
as
we've
been
seeing
this
spring
spending
time
and
to
serve
them
with
with
further
amenities.
And
there
are
no
direct
city
costs
for
undertaking
this
next
slide.
Please.
S
So
I'm
going
to
end
on
ongoing
ongoing
matters
under
review
for
2020..
S
There's
lots
of
talk
ongoing
with
various
staff
throughout
the
organization,
both
in
bylaw
right-of-way
legal
with
the
agco,
the
alcohol
and
gaming
commissioner
of
ontario.
With
regards
to
alcohol,
permitting,
if
we're
going
to
allow
and
be
very
nimble
on
getting
these
patio
extensions
on
these
new
patios,
that
would
obviously
most
most
businesses
will
want
them
to
be
licensed.
So
how
do
we
work
with
our
agco
colleagues
to
expedite
responsibly
that
process
and
that
that
is
obviously
a
provincial
matter,
but
one
that
we
are?
S
We
are
at
the
table
as
there's
discussions
ongoing.
The
second
piece
has
come
up.
As
lyla
mentioned,
we've
been
speaking
to
a
number
of
of
of
bias.
S
Restaurants
counselors
a
lot
of
great
ideas
coming
our
way,
and
really
this
is
more
in
the
suburban
context
where
there
are
a
lot
of
private
patios
on
private
property,
and
currently
there
are
restrictions
through
our
zoning
bylaw
and
allowing
those
those
patios
to
expand
into
parking
lots
due
to
parking
requirements
in
the
zoning
bylaw
for
that
commercial
enterprise.
S
There's
also
setbacks
from
residential
at
30
meters
that
also
are
in
the
zoning
by
law,
and
so
we're
working
with
our
colleagues
in
legal
and
and
in
in
planning
services
and
in
economic
development
long-range
planning
on
looking
at
a
solution
that
could
be
brought
forward
to
council
next
week.
S
And
finally,
as
I
touched
on
earlier
in
the
in
my
brief
presentation,
we
are
developing
a
special
strategy
for
the
byword
market
area
for
physical,
spacing
due
to
the
density
of
audios
and
retails,
at
retail.
Rather
over
75
percent
of
our
existing
patio
permits
are
in
the
byward
market
area,
if
you
think
about
streets
like
clarence
and
york
street
west,
william.
S
So
with
the
tight
right-of-way
in
the
byword
market,
we
are
developing
a
vibrant,
specific
strategy
and
we
hope
to
be
able
to
to
consult
with
our
stakeholders
on
this
next
week.
That
concludes
my
remarks
and
lila
melanie
and
marilyn,
and
I
are
here
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have.
Thank
you.
A
Great
thank
you
for
that
very
exciting
stuff.
The
food
truck
element,
I
think,
is
one
of
the
more
neat
aspects
during
covered
times
and
just
before
I
go
to
questions
from
counselors
to
staff.
I
really
appreciate
the
hard
work
lilac
court.
You
guys
have
put
a
lot
of
work
in
a
lot
of
research
in
a
very
short
window
of
time,
and
certainly
I
envision
myself
grabbing
a.
A
I
don't
know-
maybe
there's
a
taco
truck
out
there
at
my
local
park
and
hanging
out
because,
let's
face
it
a
lot
of
staycation
this
year.
At
this
point,
I'm
going
to
go
to
questions
from
committee
members
first,
so
I'll
go
to,
I
think.
Forgive
me.
I've
got
three
on
deck
here.
I've
got
a
counselor
eli
al
shantiri,
councillor,
lieber,
lester,
leaper
and
councilman
I'm
going
to
go
to.
I
think
it
was
sleeper
that
had
us
hand
up
first.
Forgive
me
if
I'm
wrong,
don't
hurt
me
I'll,
go
to
vice
chair
leaper.
A
Great
yes,
can
we
have
that
on
the
screen?
If
we
could
please
thank
you.
C
So
chair.
I
actually
have
just
one
quick
comment
or
question
on
the
presentation:
we've
received
the
food
trucks
in
park.
Parking
lots
is
going
to
create
a
ton
of
garbage
who's
res,
and
I
I
love
the
fact
that
we'll
have
them,
but
whose
responsibility
is
it
gonna,
be
to
make
sure
that
the
the
garbage
is
appropriately
dealt
with,
and
it
won't
just
be
in
the
parking
lot.
It
will
also
be
in
the
park
itself,
we're
already
having
issues.
D
Sorry
through
the
chair,
so
we
are
having
those
conversations
at
this
point
in
time
and
speaking
with
recreation.
They
have
some
experience
from
a
previous
contract
that
they've
had
in
one
of
the
city
parks.
So
we
will
be
looking
back
to
the
to
the
vendor
for
the
most
part
to
be
managing
the
excess
garbage,
whether
it's
having
a
unit
on
site,
whether
it's
having
them,
remove
it
daily.
We
will
be
working
through
those
details
with
our
partners
in
recreation
and
our
partners
in
park
and
solid
waste.
C
C
C
So
I
would
ask
that
if
this
moves
ahead
and
I'll
be
supporting
it,
that
we
have
that
commitment
from
the
city
to
ensure
that
our
parks
are
kept
clean,
we
don't
want
to
give
people
a
reason
to
to
push
back
against
what
is
a
fairly
progressive
and
fun
initiative.
D
Most
definitely,
we
will
take
it
back
and
we
are
going
to
have
further
conversations
with
all
of
our
partners
to
make
sure
that
we
are
monitoring
the
garbage
and
other
concerns
throughout
this
pilot
to
ensure
that
it
is
a
successful
pilot.
A
Great
dad,
thank
you,
sir,
and
thank
you
for
that.
Vice
chair
for
reading
it,
and
just
before
we
go
to
counselor
eli
al
shantiri,
I
I
want
to
again
thank
eli
and
and
laura,
but
I
I
just
wanted
to
to
make
sure
that
we
acknowledge
the
hard
work
because
there's
been
meetings
with
bias.
We've
had
discussions
with
other
people
and
and
eli
and
laura
have
been
leading
the
charge
on
this
one.
As
a
matter
of
fact,
I
was
like.
A
Maybe
maybe
eli
should
move
this
motion
being
a
former
business
owner,
knowing
the
importance
of
it.
But
that
being
said,
councillor
eoladis
and
jerry,
the
florist.
F
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chair,
and
thanks
to
staff
for
for
their
presentation
and
great
idea.
It
doesn't
matter
who
moved
this
motion.
It
is
a
good
motion.
I
like
to
support
it,
of
course,
but
also
I
want
to
acknowledge,
been
on
a
task
force
working
with
our
partner
and
my
colleague,
of
course,
the
mayor
as
the
chair
of
the
task
force
and
my
colleague
laura
dudas.
F
This
is
a
good
news
for
the
small
business.
It's
a
good
support
to
to
help
my
question.
When
we
talk
about
the
the
the
food
truck
in,
I
would
like
the
city
to
get
involved
and
helping
to
promote
this.
F
Maybe
we
can
have
a
food
festival
in
certain
area,
whether
it's
part
of
the
city,
and
we
can
promote
it
through
the
city's
social
media
and
invite
residents
to
come
out
and
enjoy
the
you
know
the
variety
of
diverse
food
trucks
we
have
now
in
a
city
which
is
include
amongst
the
popular
food.
So
I
would
like
to
if
staff
are
willing
to
support
and
help
or
or
how
could
we
do
more
to
help
them
to
promote
they're?
D
So
thanks
for
another
great
idea-
and
this
is
where
I
was
talking
about
at
the
beginning
of
the
presentation-
it's
it's
reaching
out
to
our
local
businesses-
to
our
council
members-
to
get
some
ideas
that
we
can
work
through.
It's
another
thing
that
we
can
look
at.
We
do
have
to
be
careful,
particularly
in
during
the
pandemic
in
terms
of
gatherings,
so
that
it's
a
piece
that
we'll
have
to
consider
moving
forward.
D
But
we
will
have
further
conversations
with
our
colleagues
in
recreation
and
pimmer
on
how
we
can
promote
this
moving
forward
again,
respecting
public
health
in
their
direction
for
the
physical
distancing
and
and
the
social
gathering.
So
another
great
idea
that
we
will
add
to
our
repertoire
of
ideas
that
we're
looking
at.
F
And
also
also
mr
chair,
we
have
a
few
organization,
they
don't
fall
under
the
umbrella
of
ottawa,
council
baas
and,
namely
osgood
afghan
street
and
stittsville.
I
want
to
make
sure
staff
when
they
do
adopt
any
policy
from
here
on,
to
include
those
three
organization.
F
In
case
they
don't
receive
that
information
through
the
ottawa
council
baa.
They
should
receive
it
directly
from
the
staff
involved
and
work
directly
with
those
folks
because
they
don't
have
they're,
not
part
of
the
go
baia,
but
then
definitely
they
play
major
role
in
their
community
and
I
think
we
need
to
reach
out
to
them
on
a
regular
basis
with
the
changes
we
are
making
and
this
I
don't
know
if
lyle
have
been
aware
of
those
three
organizations
they
reach
out
to
us
individually,
elgin
street,
oscar
and
sittsville.
J
Mr
chair,
can
I
raise
a
point
of
order
on
that.
Please.
J
There
was
a
motion
previously
last
year
at
fedco
to
anything
that
the
city
is
doing
with
the
bias
that
they
also
include
the
board
of
trade
and
other
associations
such
as
the
ones
that
counselor
also
ontario's
listing
in
any
new
programs
we're
doing
or
emails
out
about
things.
So
I
I
think
we've
got
that
already
covered.
S
Yes,
chair,
certainly,
we
are
working
with
a
cobia,
but
but
as
counselor
hubley
referenced,
we
are
sharing
all
this
information
through
our
colleagues
in
economic
development,
with
all
other
business
organizations
in
ottawa
and,
quite
frankly,
a
number
of
our
permit
holders
and
right
of
way,
my
area,
don't
don't
either
participate
in
a
bia
or
aren't
part
of
a
bia
zone,
and
so
we're
also
going
directly
to
our
permit
holders
wherever
they
are
in
in
ottawa.
With
this
information
and
we'll
have
all
of
this
information
as
well
in
ottawa.ca,.
F
Okay.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
With
your
permission,
I
know
this
motion
was
moved
by
the
mayor
and
yourself
on
council,
and
now
it's
been
by
vice
chair.
I
would
recommend
this
motion
move
by
myself
and
second
by
council.
Do
this
as
the
two
councils
represent
the
the
the
task
force
and
economic
recovery
and
should
go
to
council
with
both
our
counselors
neymar.
A
The
name
and-
and
thank
you
let's,
I
appreciate
that
and
that's
why
eli
was
acknowledging
the
hard
work
of
lauren
yourself.
So
I
will
make
note
of
that
that
it's
a
move
by
el
shantiri
seconded
by
dude
ass,
but
we'll
go
next
in
the
speakers.
Oh,
unless
eli
do
you
have
any
further
questions?
Are
you
good,
you're,
good,
okay,
so.
F
A
Well,
thank
you.
It's
it's
a
good
news
story.
I
like
this
one
I'll
move
next
to
councillor
menard,
then
hubley,
then
fleury.
B
Okay,
thanks
very
much
chair
and
thanks
to
the
staff
for
the
excellent
work
on
this
and
presentation.
I
know
you've
been
working
hard
on
this.
I
had
a
chance
to
meet
with
staff
about
this.
This
policy
before
it
came
forward
and
just
really
pleased
to
see
pieces
of
this
so
in
terms
of
businesses
that
do
not
have
a
two
meter
space
in
front
of
their
business,
the
sidewalks
only
about
two
meters.
S
They
will
go
through
our
10-day
process,
which
will
be
identifying
the
parking
spaces
that
are
available
and
they
have
to
be
right
in
front
of
their
business
frontage,
and
we
will
circulate
that
internally
with
the
word
counselor
and
our
colleagues
and
parking
services
to
identify
whether
that
parking
space
can
be
can
be
used.
Parking
spaces
for
use
can
obviously
not
be
ones
that
are
have.
Transit
operations
must
be
50,
kilometers
or
less
and
must
be
a
paid
parking
space.
B
Okay,
when
you
and
when
you
say
transit
operations,
you
just
mean
the
hours
that
transit
is
operating
there,
because
obviously
we
have
parking
on
streets
that
also
have
have
transit.
There's
two,
the
two
lanes
right,
correct.
S
Yeah
for
for
clarity,
I
apologize.
I
I
meant
when,
where
there's
a
bus
that
actually
uses
that
that
lane
off
peak
or
on
peak
offer,
okay.
B
Okay,
that's
that's
interesting
thanks,
just
I
think
it's
important
yeah
the
counselors
involved.
Obviously,
if
there's
going
to
be
a
suggestion
for
a
parking
space
conversion,
it's
directly
in
front
of
the
business
some
businesses
they
share,
they
share
a
parking
space
as
well,
so
one
may
want
it.
The
other
may
not,
and-
and
just
it's
I
just
you
know,
foresee
a
couple
of
conflicts
there.
So
if
it
can
be
shared
with
the
counselor,
I
think
that
would
be
important.
B
The
other
concern
obviously,
is
around
making
sure
we
have
physical
distancing
in
place
so
that,
if
there
is
a,
I
say,
a
lane
conversion
in
parking
spaces
where
that
patio
goes
how
large
it
can
be,
whether
it's
right
beside
the
hydro
pole,
for
example,
if
there's
hydro
poles
on
that
street
or
beside
the
parking
meter
a
paid
day
meter
that
that
would
also
be
a
consideration,
is
how
large
it
can
be.
So
I
wouldn't
want
to
have
a
one
size
fits
all
for
this.
B
It's
important
that
those
micro
considerations
court
are
are
really
important
in
all
of
this.
Where
exactly
goes,
how
large
it
would
be
and
the
hours
of
operation
for
it,
particularly
for
patios,
that's
all
going
to
be
extremely
important.
So
is
there
flexibility
on
those
on
those
items.
S
So
counselor
and
I'll
go
back
to
your
previous
question
as
well.
Certainly,
we
recognize
that
that
two
meters,
that
is
in
our
patio
by
law,
is
more
important
than
ever
for
accessibility
and
also
physical
distancing.
So
the
reality
is
is
that
we
anticipate
that
most
patio
expansions
will
be
on
the
street
because
we
don't,
quite
frankly,
have
right-of-ways
that
large
in
ottawa
that
can
accommodate
the
two
meters
plus
a
patio
on
them.
S
S
As
you
acknowledged,
most
of
our
main
streets
in
the
urban
setting
have
pinch
points
whether
they
be
street
trees,
lights,
public
art
and
we'll
certainly
be
looking
on
a
case-by-case
basis
to
make
sure
that
there
is
that
adequate
two
meters
and
where
there
are
pinch,
points
down
to
1.8
or
1.5
in
the
accessibility
guidelines.
B
Okay,
thank
you
for
that,
and
then
just
I
wanted
to
provide
on
the
food
trucks
piece.
I
think
it's
important
that
we
have
the
local
counselors
concurrence
on
it,
so
you're
going
to
be
deciding
on
parks,
soon,
you're
going
to
be
thinking
about
which
parks
this
makes
sense
in
so
I'd
like
to
make
sure
that
you,
you
have
to
get
local
counselor
concurrence
on
on
the
parks
that
that
are
decided
upon.
How
is
that
going
to
work.
S
B
Okay,
I
mean,
I,
don't,
I
think
it's
it's,
it
should
be
managed
it
shouldn't.
It
should
be
mandatory
right,
you
should.
You
should
have
to
have
counselor
concurrence
to
go
forward
with
it
at
those
parks.
So
if
we
need
to
to
change
the
motion
somehow
to
to
make
sure
that
that's
a
consideration,
I
I
think
that's
fairly
straightforward
direction
and
that
council
concurrence
should
be
there
there's
just
obviously
there's
considerations
for
certain
parks
and
certain
spots
that
you're
going
to
want
to
get
the
counselor
involved
and
get
their
concurrence.
S
So
sheriff
I
may
offer
the
if
I'll
point
you
to
the
second
part
of
the
motion.
Really
it's
it's
actually
sorry.
It
was
removed
from
the
motion
that,
because
patios
in
parks
or
food,
trucks
and
parks
are
not
under
the
purview
of
this
committee,
however,
between
now
and
council
on
june
10th
next
wednesday,
I
will
discuss
this
with
with
my
colleagues
in
nrcfs,
okay
and
we'll
have
something
for
council.
Okay,
thanks
so
much.
C
J
I
just
want
to
thank
staff
for
the
work
on
this.
I
think
it's
a
great
idea.
You
know,
in
reference
to
council
monarchs
suggesting
that
you
contact
local
councillors
if
you're
looking
at
parks
in
our
area.
I
want
to
tell
you
up
front
that
I'm
very
supportive
for
this.
So
if
you
want
to
try
one
out
here,
we'll
definitely
work
with
you
on
that.
J
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
the
the
piece
about
the
sidewalks
and
everything
apply
across
the
city.
The
patios
are
extending
into
the
the
sidewalks
and
so
on.
Is
that
an
option
available
to
businesses
across
the
city.
S
Through
the
chair,
yes,
counselor,
absolutely
wherever
there
is,
is
right-of-way,
whether
it
be
rural,
suburban
or
urban
or
or
core.
This
will
be
citywide.
H
Hey
here
we
go.
I
too
am
very
supportive
of
the
report.
I
want
to
thank
court
who
and
his
entire
team
for
for
their
effort,
want
to
put
to
public
records,
so
we
did
get
an
official
letter
from
the
byrd
bia
last
week
requesting
that
the
city
review
what
click
and
collect
what
extended
patios,
and
what
street
closures
could
look
like
in
the
market,
so
glad
to
see
the
specifics
of
the
byward
market
in
the
report
and
looking
forward
to
the
to
court
and
his
team's
analysis
of
this
area.
H
But
I
I
wanted
to
proactively
disclose
the
the
request
we
receive
from
from
the
bia
and
we're
working
with
all
of
them.
This
is
a
good
example
of
us,
ensuring
we
have
the
right
structure
in
place
yet
demonstrating
to
be
very
quick
and
responsive
to
evolving
situations.
H
I
am
I
had
two
and
I
really
appreciated
the
the
chat
with
the
team
yesterday,
maybe
for
again
the
record
we've
I've
been
part
of
the
debate,
and
this
goes
back
to
rainer
blowus
and
councilor
holmes
days
when
the
proximity
to
residential
really
became
political
and
want
to
highlight
the
core
of
the
issue
around
proximity
to
residential.
H
I
have
no
concern
with
the
staff
approach,
although
if,
if
it
is
delegated
to
staff,
I
want
to
make
sure
that
on
those
patios
that
are
near
residential,
that
there
is
no
noise
amplification,
that
it
be
speakers
that
would
be
tvs
in
those
areas
where
we
do
have
right-of-way.
We
have
different
structures,
but
by
the
proximity
of
residential,
not
to
trip
up
on
local
issues
versus
business
interest.
H
I
think
it's
important
to
allow
the
patio
but
to
add
those
restrictions,
because,
as
you
have
music
on
a
patio,
the
noise
level
increases,
and
then
people
speak
louder
than
that.
So,
if,
if
right
off
the
base,
those
who
do
not
have
them
in
in
the
first
place,
but
could
benefit
from
from
them
and
are
within
really
close
to
residential.
H
If
we
were
to
start
off
the
bat
very
proactively
and
just
say,
look
no
tvs,
no
speakers
on
or
projected
on
the
space.
Then
I
think
we
we
reduce
the
the
concerns
that
neighbors
might
have.
So
maybe
just
a
staff
comment
on
that
and
then
I'll
be
done.
H
S
So
counselor
through
the
chair,
the
regulation
of
patios
on
can
sometimes
be
a
a
confusing
world
so
for
right-of-way
patios
that
are
on
city
property,
private
patios,
on
city
property.
Currently,
as
a
council
reference,
there
is
the
requirement
to
undertake
a
90
meter
circulation
where
you're
in
proximity
to
residential
and
commercial,
so
per
council's
direction.
Last
week
that
90
days,
sorry
that
90
meters
rather
will
still
continue.
S
S
The
second
issue
which
I
had
on
the
last
slide,
which
is
under
consideration
right
now,
really
is,
is
how
we
can
be
more
permissive
and
create
economic
opportunity
for
private
patios
that
are
on
private
property
that
have
restrictions
and
those
are
under
a
30
meter
residential
restriction.
Right
now,
so
we
are
looking
around
ontario
at
whether
municipalities
are
undertaking
to
look
at
how
that
that
can
be
provided.
But
that
is
a
more
difficult
hill
to
climb,
because
we
are
we're
in
the
world
of
the
planning
act
and
the
zoning
bylaw.
H
Just
on
that
latter
point,
I
would
be
supportive
of
that
and
can
give
you
an
example
of
ways.
We
can
expedite
that.
I
I've
heard
of
some
municipalities
in
ontario,
which
council's
past
motions
to
ensure
that
bylaw
not
to
enforce
the
transition
components
of
that,
as
as
council
reviews,
the
process
I'd
be
favorable
to
to
that,
and
also
to
highlight
that
it's
a
tremendous
opportunity
to
support
our
business
community
when
capacity
will
be
physically
distanced
and
limited.
H
A
F
I
want
to
thank
congressman
theory,
of
course,
his
leadership
for
the
mayor
and
councilor
gudas
on
the
task
force
and,
of
course,
the
staff
that
we've
been
working-
and
this
is
a
council
of
fury
mentioned
that
that
this
is
it
shows
how
fast
our
city
is
reacting
to
covert
19
and
we're
really
breaking
the
red
tape
and
making
our
city
and
our
market
and
our
parks
accessible
to
for
the
consequences
that
what
we're
dealing
with
right
now-
and
this
is
a
I'm
very
happy
to
support
this-
and
I
know-
there's
been
a
lot
of
work
been
happening,
and
I
know
that
the
chair
turner
you've
been
working
very
hard
also
behind
the
scene.
F
I
know
that
as
good
world
business
association,
they
are
the
bia
kind
of
in
our
area
because
we
do
not
have
bia
and
can
we
have
a
confirmation
from
your
team
that
we
will
be
notified
as
my
office
and
the
as
the
board
business
session
as
a
bia
in
our
community.
S
Yes,
counselor,
I
appreciate
your
kind
words
through
the
chair,
as
you
can
appreciate.
We've
we've
put
together
these
proposals,
as
you
reference
rather
quickly
in
the
last
four
days,
so
we
haven't
quite
worked
through
the
mechanics
of
the
food
trucks
in
park
piece
yet,
but
certainly
we
can
commit
today
that
ward
counselors
would
be
notified,
as
would
any
bia
within
that
parks
zone.
F
Thank
you
very
much.
I
really
appreciate
it
and
thank
you,
mr
chair,
that
I
that's
all.
A
Thank
you
very
much
accounts
for
drews,
so
I'm
looking
on
the
list,
there's
no
more
speakers.
I
did
want
to
just
make
a
couple
of
quick
points
I
want
to.
You
know
thank
mayor
watson
for
wanting
to
cut
red
tape.
I
mean
we're
typically
known
as
a
city-
that's
a
bit
of
a
sleepy
hollow,
but
this
shows
that
we're
more
progressive
on
this
front.
A
I've
spoken
to
a
few
businesses
that
are
really
desperate
for
help,
and
one
of
them
is
a
certain
stakehouse
on
elgin
street,
where
they
have
a
private
parking
lot
in
the
background,
and
while
a
lot
of
our
businesses
are
struggling
their
way
through
selling
nachos
and
pizza,
unfortunately,
a
steak
doesn't
travel
quite
the
same,
so
you
know
this
would
be
a
big
benefit,
especially
in
the
covid
times
where
some
people
are
still
rather
nervous
about
going
inside
of
a
building,
but
if
they're
outside
in
the
open
air
they
have
physical
distancing,
it
really
gives
that
opportunity
for
that
business
to
to
to
stay
alive
and
keep
moving
along
and
again
I
did
have
a
quick
question
about
the
food
wagon
types.
A
S
Sorry
chair,
I
don't
have
that
that
figure
on
hand
unless
my
colleague
tandy
mccomber
is
still
on
the
on
the
meeting
here.
I
don't
think
I
see
her
so
we'll
get
that
information
for
council
next
week.
A
And
that's
wonderful,
thank
you
and
I
see.
There's
third-party
groups
like
streetfoodapp.com.
A
That
really
shows
a
map
of
where
all
these
food
wagons
could
be,
and
again
this
isn't
about
taking
away
from
brick
and
mortar,
it's
actually
to
create
a
more
holiday
experience,
because
we're
going
to
be
doing
much
more
of
a
staycation
here
in
ottawa
from
what
I'm
hearing
from
many
families
and
there's
a
lot
of
places
that
are
doing
their
part,
I'm
certainly
have
done
a
lot
of
skip
and
uber
eats
chicken
wings
and
you
name
it
all
over
the
place.
A
But
it's
nice
to
have
a
bit
of
a
variety
in
the
summer.
So
it'd
be
nice
to
see
some
regional
distribution
of
some
of
those
food
wagons
and
parks
that
might
not
be
near
restaurants.
I
think
we
have
a
really
good
opportunity
here
and
I
want
to
thank
staff
again
for
the
great
work
on
this
entire
project.
I'm
very
excited
about
it
and
look.
This
is
the
last
item
on
the
agenda.
I
for
sure
thought
we'd
be
calling
for
a
recorded
vote
on
something
else.
A
So
I'm
going
to
call
for
a
recorded
vote
on
this
final
item
on
the
agenda
today.
So
kelly,
can
you
go
ahead
and
proceed
with
the
vote.
O
D
A
Carried.
Thank
you
very
much
on
that
item.
Community
members.
I
will
proceed
to
the
final
portion
of
the
agenda.
I
do
notice
that
sean
menard
council
menard
does
have
a
notice
of
motion.
Did
you
just
want
to
introduce
it?
We're
not
debating
we're
just
introducing
it
today.
B
Yes,
thanks
very
much
chair
just
give
me
one
moment
here.
B
Emotions
supporting
the
city
of
ottawa
to
increase
the
amount
of
safe,
active
transportation
space
outdoors
for
residents,
including
when
accessing
essential
services
to
improve
their
physical
and
mental
health,
while
still
adhering
to
all
municipal
and
federal
guidelines
related
to
physical
distancing.
Whereas
city
traffic
services
reports
that
traffic
volume
has
decreased.
While
city
police
report
traffic,
speed
infractions
have
increased
and
whereas
oph
has
recognized
the
need
for
residents
to
access
essential
services
and
encourage
residents
to
go
outside
for
physical
and
mental
health.
B
Whereas
the
2019
report
from
city
of
ottawa
planning
infrastructure
economic
development,
titled,
the
building
blocks
of
a
healthy
ottawa
emphasizes
the
connection
between
active
transportation
infrastructure
and
mental
and
physical
well-being,
be
it
resolved
that
the
city
of
ottawa
enact
a
plan
act
active
ottawa
this
summer
for
cost-effective
implementation
of
greater
active
transportation
network
connectivity,
expanded
road
space
for
active
transportation
and
safety,
enhancing
measures
which
reduce
speed
and
recognize
the
needs
of
residents
during
the
kobe
19
pandemic.
Thanks
chair.
A
Great
and
thank
you
very
much
and
we'll
we'll
definitely
debate
that
at
the
at
the
next
transportation
committee
meeting.
I
believe
we
do
have
an
inquiry
as
well.
D
Yeah,
yes,
councillor
flurry
has
an
inquiry.
H
Yes
and
apologize
in
advance,
it
has
context
over
the
summer
of
2004
in
response
to
issues
associated
with
the
traditional
style,
sidewalk
design,
specifically
minimizing
of
the
roller
coaster
effect.
The
ramstar
sidewalk
design
was
undertaken
at
two
separate
pilot
installation
representing
different
site
conditions,
constraints
and
standards.
H
The
pilot
installations
were
located
on
holland,
avenue
site
a
standard,
sidewalk
width
of
1.8,
meter
and
larger,
and
on
delaware,
avenue
non-standard
1.5
meter
exception,
with
staff
identified
a
monitoring
plan
for
the
two
pilot
sites
to
allow
for
feedback
for
various
users
and
stakeholders.
The
monitoring
plan
was
designed
to
reflect
considerations
such
as
accessibility,
consideration,
pedestrian
movement,
safety,
parking
and
cycling
impacts,
traffic
operations,
maintenance
and
vehicular
access
in
2005.
H
In
2006,
based
on
the
outcome
of
the
pilots,
the
ramp
style
standard
was
incorporated
into
the
standard
tender
documents
for
unit
price
contracts,
ram
style,
sidewalks
also
known
as
toronto.
Styles
are
to
be
used
for
sidewalks,
1.8
meter
or
wider
traditional
style
sidewalks,
also
known
as
roller
coaster
style
are
used
for
high
volume,
commercial
institutional
entrances
as
the
as
the
standard
has
been
applied
for
various
streets
and
projects
throughout
the
city
and
specifically
in
my
community,
I've
noticed
a
growing
number
of
concerns
on
residential
streets.
H
H
This
often
results
in
vehicle
damage,
uncleared
sidewalk
patches
and
poses
a
risk
to
drivers
and
pedestrians
as
ice
can
build
up
in
the
milder
seasons.
This
ramp
hinders
accessibility
as
the
wheels
of
wheelchairs
and
walkers
can
get
caught
on
these
same
ramps
as
users
make
the
transition
from
streets
to
street
and
sidewalk.
Furthermore,
since
the
width
standard
is
1.8
and
the
portion
of
the
sidewalk
is
angled
to
serve
as
a
ramp,
many
pedestrians
feel
that
the
accessible
flat
portion
is
too
small.
H
In
some
cases,
the
flat
part
of
the
sidewalk
is
only
1
to
1.2
meters
wide,
which
is
not
enough
for
dog
walkers
families
couples
and
raises
accessibility
limitations
in
high
volume
segments.
This
is
specifically
relevant
for
areas
where
utility
poles
shrubs
retaining
wall,
reduce
the
sidewalk
ever
more.
In
many
cases,
utility
poles
reduce
the
mobility
of
users
with
mobility
aids
as
they
create
tight
and
hazardous
walkable
spaces.
H
My
inquiry,
what
pedestrian
safety
issues
did
the
ramp
style
standard
resolve?
What
accessibility
concerns
does
the
ram
style
standard
resolve
which
disability
was
advantaged
in
the
ramp
style
implementation
standard?
How
were
users
with
accessibility
concerns
engaged
since
this
city
went
from
sidewalk
sidewalk
of
1.5
to
1.8
meter?
How
has
the
new
width
standard
in
ram
style
increase,
walkable
spaces
based
on
concerns
from
the
elderly,
families
and
residents
with
accessibility
needs
I'd
like
for
the
standards
to
be
reviewed
and
to
clearly
identify
when
it
is
appropriate
or
not
to
implement?
H
A
Yeah,
I'm
seeing
a
lot
of
black
screens
out
there
right
now
so
on
that
I
think
we'll
definitely
take
your
inquiry
in
writing
and
kelly
will
go,
get
that
to
get
that
answered
by
staff
and
we're
moving
on
no
further
inquiries.
I
believe
so
I'll
go
on
other
business,
no
further
business
adjournment.
The
next
meeting,
as
you
can
appreciate,
we're
working
with
the
clerk's
office
to
see
what
opportunities
we
have
in
july.
A
What
that
time
frame
would
look
like
and
what
would
be
on
that
agenda
if,
if
it
meets
the
tests
that
we
require
to
be
able
to
have
the
meeting,
so
I
do
want
to
thank
everyone
for
a
great
meeting
today.
I
got
to
add
to
my
shelf
now.
I
guess
I
got
to
put
a
little
patio
back
here
or
something
too
and
as
part
of
the
new
portfolio,
but
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
your
help
today
and
have
a
great
day.
Thank
you.