►
From YouTube: Transportation Committee - September 4, 2019
Description
Transportation Committee meeting – October 4, 2019 – Audio Stream
Agenda and background materials can be found at http://www.ottawa.ca/agendas.
A
Morning,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
welcome
to
the
Transportation
Committee
meeting
for
Wednesday,
the
fourth
of
September.
It's
our
first
meeting
back
from
the
summer.
Welcome
back
hope.
Everyone
enjoyed
a
restful
period
off
I
have
no
regrets
for
the
meeting.
Are
there
any
declarations
of
interest,
seeing
no
declarations
of
interest
confirmation
of
the
minutes
from
the
fifth
of
June
2019.
B
A
C
C
And
whereas
staff
have
indicated
that
only
ten
new
locations
will
be
implemented
for
the
2019
2020
school
year.
In
accordance
with
the
growth
funding
provided
for
in
the
2019
budget
and
anticipated
to
be
included
in
the
2020
budget
and
whereas
funding
only
ten
of
the
sixteen
crossing
guards
does
not
align
with
the
current
needs
in
the
community
to
ensure
children's
safe
travel
to
and
from
schools,
and
whereas
council
is
not
permitted
to
pre
commit
funds
in
advance
of
the
tabling
and
adoption
of
the
2020
budget.
C
Therefore,
it
be
resolved
that
the
Transportation
Committee
recommend
council
prove
the
implementation
of
the
six
additional
warranted
school
crossing
guard
locations
for
the
remainder
of
the
2019
budget
year,
with
the
one-time
cost
of
$33,000
to
be
funded
from
the
tax
Stabilization
Reserve
and
be
it
FURTHER.
Resolved
that
council
direct
staff
to
review
options
for
funding
all
warranted
crossing
guard
positions
for
the
remainder
of
this
school
year
and
report
back
with
recommendations
as
part
of
the
2020
draft
budget
process,
including
recommendations
on
how
to
fund
crossing
guard
positions
for
a
full
year
going
forward.
A
So
is
adding
this
to
the
agenda
carried
carried.
Is
there
any
need
to
discuss
this
as
the
item
Carrie
Carrie?
Thank
you
very
much.
Adam
item
number.
One.
Congratulations.
Counselor
item
number
one
is
the
Joc
railroad
multi-use
pathway,
rail,
draw
rail
grade
separation,
environmental
assessment,
EA
study
recommendations,
councilor
flurry
has
some
questions,
and
so
we
do
have
a
presentation
which
we
will
now
like
to
see.
A
So
we'll
come
back
to
that
in
just
a
moment:
Linda
Lee,
village,
centennial
commemorative
signage
I,
don't
see
count,
sir
King,
but
this
is
not
at
all
controversial,
as
is
carried
carry.
Thank
you
very
much.
Glee
bold,
ottawa's,
south
councillor.
Do
you
presume
you
want
to
speak
to
this
and
I
think
you
probably
should,
unless
is
this
gonna
be
carried
unanimously?
Yeah?
Okay,
wonderful
item
number
three
Carrie,
so
we'll
go
back
to
Jack,
they'll
Road.
A
B
Diz
now
I
do
have
questions,
because
that's
it's
a
it's
a
situation,
that's
quite
challenging
where
we
have
a
rail
crossing
at
guard
grade
where
there's
multi,
multiple
users
that
are
crossing
we've
had
tragic
incidents
there
and
usually
I
know
that
you
and
your
team
plan
ahead
of
time
to
make
sure
that
those
don't
happen
and
when
they
do
happen,
that
we
react
and
I
I
feel
that
was
what
was
what
is
presented
is
aspirational
rather
than
implemented
then
implementing
it.
So
could
we
get
some
comments?
B
D
Through
chair,
this
project
wasn't
identified
in
when
we
did
the
transportation
master
plan
back
in
2013.
A
lot
of
things
have
changed
since
then
in
terms
of
how
we
prioritize
active
transportation
and
its
office
project.
Also
stemmed
from
the
review
of
all
the
rail
crossings
with
transit
primarily-
and
this
one
has
a
road
crossing
with
Jacque
Ville
Jacques
ville
raid
crest
raid
rail,
great
separation
isn't
needed
for
some
time
yet,
but
then
beside
it
is
this
multi-use
pathway.
D
So
we
did
identify
the
need
to
do
this
sooner
than
later
through
that
study
of
about
a
year
or
so
ago.
That's
why
we
started
this
EA
study
so
that
we
have
a
project
and
we
can
start
planning
for
its
implementation
right
now.
It's
not
funded,
but
we
are
doing
a
TMP
review
and
we
will.
This
will
now
become
part
of
that
plan.
B
D
Still
something
we
need
some
time
to
look
at
the
the
funding
that's
available
to
the
city
for
the
different
program.
That'll
all
come
into
the
network
planning,
and
the
network
includes
this
component
as
well,
but
in
the
there
are
some
interim
improvements
that
we
can
make
to
improve
the
safety
in
this
area,
and
it's
identifying
the
report
and
that's
about
seventy
thousand
dollars
that
we
can
probably
do
very
soon.
We
just
have
to
work
through
the
operational
requirements
and
get
on
with
that
right
away.
So.
D
B
What's
the
federal
like
what's
Transport
Canada
is
Duty
relating
to
that
I
mean
they
regulate
the
rail.
We
operate
the
road
network
and
then
there's
a
conflict.
So
who
is
to
pay
for
those
upgrades,
and
how
can
we
accelerate
it
like
the
way
we're
presenting
it?
Is
it's
a
city's
fix
and
we're
hopeful
that
at
some
point
we
can
do
it
when
you
know
we
we've,
we
as
a
collective,
have
lived
through
that
the
tragic
incidents
that
have
happened
at
that
location.
D
That's
a
very
good
question
councilor
and
it's
a
big
issue
for
the
for
Transport
Canada
as
well,
because
there
are
many
rail
at
grade
crossings
throughout
the
country.
So
this
is
not
something
that
they
have
an
answer
for
right
now,
but
it's
something
that
we
will
continue
to
pursue
as
we
look
for
funding
sources
to
implement
this
project.
I
would
also
like
to
clarify
that
the
accident
was
at
the
at
the
Fallowfield
corner,
Fallowfield
Park,
&
Ride,
and
it's
not
here
at
Jacques,
ville,
okay,.
B
E
E
You
know
this
is
a
and
in
it
I
said,
there's
19
we're
up
to
26
trains
a
day
that
go
through
there
and
with
this
crossing
it's
unique
in
the
fact
that
we're,
if
you
think
about
bar
Haven
and
the
and
the
via
train
the
track.
It
goes
like
this,
except
as
you
cross
this
this
crossing.
It
goes
like
this
and
around
a
bend.
E
E
E
We
have
three
other
ones,
one
that
connects
community
parts
of
bar
even
very
well,
but
we
have
90,000
people
plus
so
we're
actually
about
95
thousand
people
that
live
in
Bar
Haven.
Now
this
goes
through
the
middle
of
it,
where
there
people
are
going
shopping,
they're,
going
to
church
they're,
going
to
schools,
they're
on
scooters,
there's
an
assisted-living.
E
Wehling
apartments
units
right
beside
the
the
church,
which
is
on
the
other
side
of
the
road
which
has
has
a
ditch.
It
is
problematic
for
the
volume
of
traffic
all
I
wanted
was
something
that
would
take
care
of
and
benefit
the
opportunity
right
now
and,
as
I
said
in
my
in
my
comments,
safety
should
trump
something
at
some
time
and
in
this
case
it's
the
one
that
the
people
are
crossing
all
the
time
and
they're
not
and
I'm.
E
Talking
about
you
know,
I'm,
not
talking
about
in
cars,
as
people
are
growing
in
cars
we
also
have
along
there.
We
have
we
have
that,
but
we
also
have
three
roundabouts
on
that.
Jacque
fell
with
another
one
waiting
until
we
have
some
money
to
make
it
safer
too.
So
we're
consciously
thinking
about
those
kind
of
things.
I
know
Phil,
Landry's
team
has
put
in
Chevron's
and
they've
done
all
kinds
of
stuff.
But
this
is
the
neat
thing
about
this
pathway.
Is
it's
isolated
from
Jacque
ville?
It's
not
just
beside.
It
actually
is
isolated
and
I.
E
Think
that's
why
it's
been
safe
and
back
in
the
Nepean
days,
we
actually
put
up
a
little
mini
rail
crossing
on
the
pathway
so
I.
What
I
was
hoping
for
was
something
that
would
be
a
solution
for
now
and
not
necessarily
take
in
40
years
from
now,
when
we
might
have
the
money
to
put
in
the
great
separation
to
think
that
the
government's
going
to
give
us
money,
they
gave
us
nothing,
nothing
for
Green
Bank
for
that
great
separation.
E
This
city
spent
paid
for
all
of
it
and
we
paid
about
56
million
260
million
dollars
for
that
one
underpass
currently
over
the
next
two
three
years,
we're
going
to
be
doing
an
overpass
on
strand
heard
over
the
via
track
there
with
no
help
from
anybody
financially
this
to
me.
If
we
were
to
implement
the
kind
of
underpass
we
have,
that
goes
over
to
Pierre
Elliot
Trudeau,
to
six
schools,
mother,
Teresa,
long
fields,
Davidson
Haight,
Pierre,
Elliott,
Trudeau,
McHale,
John,
st.
Luke's,
a
33
acre,
Ken,
Ross,
Park
worth
all
the
sports
that
goes
on.
E
If
you
don't
factor
that
in
understanding
that
that
is
decades
away,
then
maybe
there's
an
opportunity
to
do
it
faster
for
the
pedestrians
and
the
cyclists
which
would
encourage
I
think
more
of
them.
If
you
know
as
a
mom
who
had
little
kids
growing
up
when
I
first
was
in
bar
Haven,
now
they
have
little
kids,
some
of
them
that
just
live
down
the
road
that
are
like
in
grade
one
in
grade
3
I
would
be
more
confident
saying
to
them.
E
Yes,
you
can
go
over
to
Susie's
house
on
tartan
drive
from
my
hosts
on
can
avail
by
using
that.
That's
where
the
crossing
would
be
I
would
be
more
confident
that
I,
don't
think
I
know
that
I
wouldn't
be
without
me
going
with
them.
So
that's
why
I
went
into
the
long
rant.
Thanks
for
letting
me
speak
on
this,
you
know
there
isn't
a
solution
today,
unless
we
start
thinking
differently
and
I.
Think
that
we
have
to
prioritize
safety
and
I
think
that
we
have
to
look
at.
E
You
know
the
money
that
we
invested,
for
example
in
the
EAA
for
the
Chapman
mills
BRT,
which
it's
which
is
in
in
the
plans
not
till
2040
something
you
know
how
about.
We
take
care
of
the
real
things
right
now,
and
this
is
something
that
we
could
do
in
1992
we
had
a
seven-year-old
boy
that
was
killed
crossing
the
tracks
just
down
the
road
we
put
a
tunnel
and
the
PM
put
a
tunnel
and
under
those
tracks.
E
So
obviously
it's
not
a
doom
and
gloom
thing
for
me
because
I,
you
know
I'm
aware
of
it
constantly
I'm
always
thinking
about
it.
But
this
was
an
opportunity
because
we
were
doing
these
crossings
that
I
thought
that
might
be
an
opportunity
to
think
differently
and
think
smaller
and
deal
with
what
the
situation
was.
So
thank
you
for
my
for
allowing
me
to
rant
and
thanks
Matt
for
holding
it.
F
F
So
I
mean
I
was
listening
to
what
councilor
harder
had
to
say
about
lower
cost
solution
that
would
address
pedestrian
and
cycling
issues
and
I'm
wondering
if
that's
a
possibility
like
we
can't
always
go
for
the
whole
thing.
Obviously
we
don't
have
enough
money,
but
she
makes
a
very
good
point
that
there
is
a
safety
issue
that
we're
aware
of
as
a
municipality.
It
would
be
in
all
of
our
interest
to
find
a
way
to
address
it,
and
you
know
I
can
think
of
other
underpasses
in
the
city
that
deal
with
pedestrian
and
cyclist.
F
D
Councillor
we,
when
we
did
this
project,
we
looked
at
the
cost
and
the
team
did
look
at
ways
to
to
tighten
it
up
more.
This
is
not
about
protection
for
a
future
road,
great
separation,
20
30
40
years
from
now,
the
it
costs
the
way
it
costs,
because
it's
at
grade
right
now
and
we
have
to
go
underneath
and
as
we
go
underneath,
there's
a
major
sewer
line,
that's
right
at
eye
level,
so
that
has
to
be
relocated
because
of
the
great
separation.
The
other
underpass
is
in
further
along
the
line
in
bar
Haven.
D
E
D
The
the
grade
of
the
tracks
already
higher
up
so
there
was
an
opportunity
to
punch
through
at
lower
cost
and
the
the
sewer
line
at
that
location
was
even
below
that.
So
it's
it's
very
unique
to
this
location
that
caused
they
approached
at
cost
to
be
what
it
is
and
with
an
active
rail
line.
We
I
think
we
have
a
window
of
opportunity
to
work
on
this
during
during
the
construction,
so
it's
recommended
that
it
be
a
prefab
structure
built
somewhere
else
brought
in
and
worked
very
quickly
to
get
into
place.
F
D
This
I
don't
know
what
the
temporary
would
mean,
because
there's
still
that
pipe
that's
in
the
way,
so
perhaps
we
can
do
away
with
some
landscaping
some
other
things,
but
some
of
these
smaller
items
could
be
addressed
during
detailed
design,
but
we're
we're
doing
an
EA
now
to
show
you
the
order
of
magnitude
for
this
project
and
what
it
would
encompass
if
we
want
to
take
away
some
of
the
elements
that
are
not
absolutely
needed,
like
the
connections,
the
other
pathways,
we
can
look
into
that
during
detailed
design.
Okay,.
A
E
E
Crazy
was
the
blowing
of
the
whistle
for
months,
the
dynamiting
and
everything
else,
but
to
have
this
almost
to
carry
like
structure
that
they
would
put
in
place
because
it's
easier
for
via
again
and
easier
for
transportation
rules
again
that
that
complicates
it.
But
if
you
were
to
avoid
that
and
to
have
it,
come
like
that,
I'd
like
to
see
what
that
looked
like
we're,
not
driving
vehicles
under
it,
we're
you
know
taking
bus
anyway,
I
think
it's
enough
conversation
for
today,
I,
don't
think
it's
going
to
get
us
anywhere.
E
I
was
looking
for
highlighting
the
opportunity
for
safety
for
other
than
than
vehicles
really
in
this
case,
it's
about
the
people.
It's
about
the
people
that
aren't
in
a
car
aren't
on
the
bus,
aren't
in
a
truck,
but
absolutely
are
on
foot
pushing
buggies
in
scooters
seniors.
We
have
seniors
residents
in
the
area.
We
have
27
schools,
I'd,
say
six
of
them
are
impacted
by
this
one
crossing.
E
We
have
two
churches
that
counterbalance
the
crossing:
it's
not
something
that's
going
to
go
away,
but
the
way
that,
if
we're
forced
to
go
what
we
have
to
move
the
pipe-
and
we
can't
look
at
anything
else,
then
we
are
in
the
position
where
I
don't
see
it
being
done.
It
certainly
won't
be
done
in
my
lifetime,
which
it's
just
unfortunate.
A
A
G
You
mr.
chair,
my
enquiry
is:
please
provide
a
report
on
what
the
City
of
Ottawa
is
doing
to
explore.
Alternatives
such
as
hot
in
place,
recycled,
asphalt
and
micro
resurfacing,
to
name
a
few
options
with
the
potential
savings,
an
extended
surface
life.
These
opportunities
provide
I,
don't
think
we
can
afford
to
ignore
the
opportunity
so
I'd
like
to
see
what
staff
are
doing
about
using
those
Thank
You.