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From YouTube: Transportation Committee - 13 November 2019
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A
B
Committee
good
morning,
we
do
have
regrets
from
councilor
harder.
She
will
be
here
a
little
bit
later
into
the
meeting
and,
as
a
result,
we're
going
to
hold
off
on
our
glad
cleaning
the
capital
Awards
until
councillor
or
harder
arrives.
So
we
are
going
to
get
into
the
agenda
and
then
we'll
pause.
The
meeting
once
counselor
harder
arrives
to
do
those
to
do
those
awards.
B
C
B
So
do
we
have
consent
from
the
committee
to
lift
this
item
onto
the
agenda
carried
okay
and
we
have
TRC
or
419
Prince
of
Wales
Bridge
transits
councillor
cabin
all.
This
is
your
time.
If
you
want
to
lift
it,
you
do
want
to
lift
it.
Is
there
consent
from
the
committee
to
lift
this
on
an
agenda?
Okay
carried,
and
we
have
other
communications
memos
started
negotiations
to
acquire
the
beach
Berg
and
Walkley
rail
corridors.
Councillor
Minard
would
like
to
lift
it
quickly,
so
we'll
put
that
at
the
end
as
well.
B
C
D
Yes,
so
this
is
about
King
Edward
and
two
to
narrow
the
outside,
curb
lane
from
four
point
five
down
to
three
point:
five,
and
we
looked
at
options
because
we
were
asked
to
look
into
permanent
traffic
calming
so
vertical
measures
were
not
appropriate,
meaning,
speed,
humps,
because
this
is
a
major
arterial
and
so
with
the
latest
neighborhood
traffic
calming
guidelines
that
council
approved.
We
try
not
to
put
such
types
of
measures
on
arterioles,
so
all
that
remained
was
to
narrow
the
lanes.
D
There
were
two
options
that
were
investigated
either
widen
the
median
and
then
all
the
lanes
would
get
shifted
down
to
3.5
meters.
That's
one
option:
it's
a
cheapest
because
it
doesn't
affect
the
the
drainage
of
the
road.
However,
it
does
nothing
to
improve
the
public
realm
for
this
corridor,
so
the
other
option
is
to
bring
the
outside
curbs
in
and
that
would
provide
one
more
meter
of
space
for
pedestrians
and
the
bat
requires
the
relocation
of
the
catch
basins
for
drainage.
D
So
the
time
to
implement
cycling
would
be
when
we
reach
the
ultimate
state,
the
ultimate
design
for
this
road-
and
it's
always
been
planned
to
go
down
to
four
lanes,
and
then
we
would
have
the
space
to
build
proper
cycle
tracks.
Now
we
can't
do
the
four
lanes
now
until
we
find
a
solution
for
the
interprovincial
truck
traffic
and
that's
where
we
are
right
now,
there's
no
money
for
the
options
that
we've
identified
in
this,
this
response
to
the
inquiry
or
through
the
motion.
Thank
you.
E
E
B
B
F
Thank
you
good
morning
councillors,
my
name
is
Anna
Maria
and
I'm,
a
resident
of
Lower
Town
I
own
a
home
at
the
corner
of
st.
Andrew
and
King
Edward
Avenue.
The
area
of
King
Edward
Avenue
I'm
concerned
with,
is
the
residential
portion
of
the
Avenue,
which
is
north
of
st.
Patrick
and
just
before
the
ramp,
to
go
onto
the
bridge
as
you're.
F
Well
aware,
this
is
the
only
designated
inter
provincial
truck
route
in
Ottawa
today
and
3,000
freight
trucks
drive
on
this
Avenue
each
day
about
20,000
vehicles
use
this
Avenue
as
part
of
their
daily
commute,
and
there
are
three
wide
lanes
on
this
Avenue
that
are
straight
in
each
direction.
So
there's
six
wide
lanes
that
make
the
Avenue
look
and
feel
like
a
highway
right
now,
and
it
is
effectively
treated
like
an
extension
of
the
highway
by
the
vehicles
that
go
to
the
bridge
to
cross
over
to
Quebec.
F
So
speeding
is
a
problem
on
this
Avenue
at
all
times,
but
especially,
which
might
not
be
obvious,
is
during
non
rush
hour
when
there
are
not
a
lot
of
vehicles
and
there's
not
a
lot
of
traffic.
So
when
you
know
there's
only
a
few
cars
on
the
avenue
and
you
have
three
wide
lanes-
it's
very
very
easy
to
speed
on
to
speed
on
this.
F
Avenue
I
sent
some
documents
to
miss
crow
za
this
morning,
and
one
of
them
shows
a
radar
speed
board
measurement
that
was
taken
two
years
ago
at
on
a
random
summer
day
and
the
app
one
of
the
highest
speeds
noted
during
a
ten
hour
period,
was
about
90
kilometers
an
hour.
So
this
is,
you
know
any
day
of
the
week.
This
can
happen,
and
this
does
happen.
So
living
conditions
are
very
difficult
for
the
residents
of
this
Avenue.
F
F
Many
northbound
vehicles
start
to
accelerate
when
they
see
a
green
light
at
st.
Patrick
and
st.
Andrew,
because
they
feel
as
though
this
is
the
last
traffic
light
before
they
can
hit
the
highway.
So
there's
a
lot
of
acceleration
that
happens
in
that
area.
Sometimes,
trucks
sound
like
small
planes
taking
off
it's
just
not
normal
living
conditions,.
F
Measures
must
be
put
in
place
to
constrain
the
speed
of
vehicles
that
drive
above
the
40
kilometers
speed
limit
when
I
first
contacted
the
City
of
Ottawa
about
the
noise
and
vibrations
from
the
speeding
vehicles,
I
was
told
that
the
40
that
there's
40
or
more
measures
already
in
place
on
that
Avenue
to
slow
vehicles
down,
but
during
a
meeting
with
transportation
staff,
they
admitted
that
none
of
those
measures
work
because
effectively.
This
Avenue
was
designed
for
50
kilometers
an
hour
and
when
the
speed
limit
was
reduced,
there
were
no
structural
changes
made.
F
So
anyways
this
Avenue
feels
a
bit
like
the
Wild
West
of
Ottawa
traffic.
Sometimes
there's
red
light
cameras
on
this
Avenue
one
for
northbound
and
one
for
southbound
traffic
and
they
flashed
three
thousand
times
in
2016.
So
this
is
the
most
red-light
tickets
given
on
any
Street
in
Ottawa.
So
this
really
just
shows
just
how
much
speeding
there
is
on
that
Avenue
vehicles
can't
slow
down
to
stop.
F
So
the
city
transportation
staff
recommended
narrowing
the
lanes
of
the
right
lane
from
4.5
to
3.5
meters,
but
I
believe
this
is
just
a
first
step
in
slowing
vehicles
down,
especially
during
non
rush
hours.
So
there's
you
know
if
we
narrow
the
lane
that's
great,
but
during
non
rush
hour
it
will
still
be
three
wide
straight
lanes
with
few
cars
on
them.
So
there
will
still
be
a
lot
of
speeding.
F
I
think
other
effective
measures
would
be,
for
instance,
you
using
the
third
Lane
making
changes
to
the
third
Lane
to
use
it
as
it
is
meant
to
be,
which
is
as
a
turning
lane.
So
during
a
meeting
with
Phil
Landry
last
March,
he
told
us
that
the
third
Lane
is
needs
to
be
there
presently,
because
it
is
a
turning
lane
and
that
Avenue
needs
to
have
a
turning
lane
in
order
for
traffic
not
to
back
up.
F
So,
if
that's
the
case,
if
it
needs
to
be
a
turning
lane
that
then
we
can
use
it
as
a
turning
lane.
So
just
a
couple,
other
quick
measures
would
be
photo
radar.
If
the
province
wants
to
implement
that,
and
also
providing
in
implementing
a
separator
between
the
right
lane
and
the
other
two
lanes
to
make
the
right
lane
for
local
use,
only
perfect.
B
C
You
mr.
chair
I
wanted
to
follow
up,
because,
obviously
you
only
have
a
few
minutes
and
you're
you're
expressing
what
I
hear,
often
from
our
community,
relating
to
obviously
the
truck
impact,
but
also
speeding.
I
want
to
go,
maybe
even
more
specific,
which
is
north
of
Reno,
that
curb
Lane
that
goes
northbound
that
really
connects
to
Sussex
that
acts
as
a
speeding,
Lane
or
an
in
turning
lane.
As
you
described,
can
you
maybe
define?
C
F
Absolutely
so
what
I
see
is
the
third
lane
being
4.5
meters
means
that
when
vehicles
are
parked
on
the
side
there,
which
is
normally
between
7:00
in
the
morning
and
about
3:00
in
the
afternoon,
there's
vehicles
parked
on
the
right
side
and
the
third
lane.
But
the
width
of
the
lane
makes
it
such
that
there's
still
vehicles
that
can
pass
between
the
ones
that
are
parked
and
the
other
two
lanes
to
the
left.
F
The
third
lane
on
the
right
turns
to
go
to
Sussex
anyways.
So,
there's
a
round
point
at
the
end
of
that
third
lane
that
vehicles
take
to
get
to
it
can
there's
not
a
lot
of
vehicles
that
use
that
third
lane
to
get
all
the
way
to
Sussex
and
most
of
them
go
in
to
the
left
two
lanes
to
go
over
the
bridge
so
by
just
putting
in
a
measure
to
block
off
the
end
of
that
Avenue
that
third
lane
at
the
end
of
the
Avenue.
F
B
H
We've
had
more
than
five
decades
of
this
kind
of
difficulty
and
I
really
think
that
the
step
that's
being
proposed
here,
a
first
step
is
well
worth
supporting
and,
finally,
just
a
note,
we
got
into
some
discussion
about
a
tunnel.
Unfortunately,
we
didn't
get
far
enough
into
the
discussion.
An
environmental
assessment
would
have
provided
this
committee
with
a
lot
of
further
food
for
thought
about
that
option.
It
looks
like
we
may
have
another
bridge
on
the
table
as
another
option,
but
we
really
do
need
some
substantive
structural
change
on
King
Edward
Avenue.
B
B
E
Thank
you
very
much
mr.
speaker,
mr.
chair
I'm,
a
longtime
resident
of
Lower
Town,
a
matter
of
fact.
I
was
born
in
Lower,
Town
and
I.
Remember
when
there
was
the
boulevard
and
was
two
lanes
either
way
any
in
Sussex
I
was
then
this
is
now
I
would
speak
in
favor
of
some
limited
traffic
calming
eliminate
the
as
linnethia,
where
we
notes
catch
basins
have
to
be
changed.
Yes
as
a
capital
expense,
but
you
actually
have
to
sometimes
spend
money
to
make
places
livable,
because
Lower
Town
has
been
used
as,
like
a
word.
E
E
on
King,
Avenue
and
anytime,
if
you
don't
have
your
head
examined,
you
assume
you'll
have
an
MRI,
because
there's
nobody
in
his
right
mind
would
take
us
that
bicycle
down
canyon,
where
Adam
you
as
far
as
the
interprovincial
trucks,
who
cares
it's
called
auto
route
50,
take
it
from
Montreal
to
whole
deal
with
it,
because
I
literally
I
was
coming
here
to
today,
I
suddenly,
I
tracked,
the
trouble
was
at
tandem
and
I'm
god.
No
so
I'm
sorry,
I'm
I,
I'm
63
years
old
I
have
lived
in
the
one
town.
E
E
B
C
Chair
with
your
indulgence,
I'd
love
to
maybe
set
up
the
context
and
then
ask
questions
to
staff,
as
you
might
have
heard
from
some
speakers,
there's
the
specific
issue
of
the
intra
provincial
truck
route,
which
all
of
us
at
committee
are
quite
aware:
I'll,
simplify
it
for
everyone.
In
my
mind,
if
the
feds
want
a
bridge,
they
should
pay
for
it.
If
the
feds
don't
do
a
bridge,
then
the
province
should
pay
to
correct
the
missing
link
between
the
417
and
intra
provincial
crossing,
which
is
the
Ministry
of
Transportation,
is
responsibility.
C
I'll
just
set
that
out,
so
that
we
can
move
on
and
push
through
those
conversations
that
were
in
the
right
context,
we're
faced
with
a
situation
that
King
Edward
was
fully
completed
in
2010
that
was
prior
to
the
LRT
being
approved
and
as
the
LRT
began
to
roll
in.
In
terms
of
approvals,
we
also
began
a
program
that
was
called
downtown
moves.
Downtown
moves,
looked
at
lanes
that
are
along
Albert
and
Slater
for
what
would
be
their
condition
today
once
the
LRT
is
up
and
running
and
those
buses
are
off
the
corridor.
C
The
weird
anomaly
in
this
is
sto,
because
sto
is
not
specific
to
those
bus
changes.
Yet
we
know
that
at
some
point
before
April
2020,
because
reto
Street
will
be
closed
to
finish,
the
construction
between
dehl
and
Sussex
that
they'll
need
to
be
properly
integrated
at
Lyon
station.
So
that
means
that
the
majority
of
sto
bus
is
going.
The
majority
goes
southbound.
They
they
hang
out
at
Union,
right
behind
Global
Affairs
and
make
their
way
to
make
their
time
point
on
reto
Wellington.
Currently
that
changes
once
Este
was
properly
integrated
at
Lyon.
C
So
you
have
lanes
that
are
really
bus
lanes
on
King
Edward,
those
curb
lanes
north
and
southbound
north
of
reto.
That
are
way
too
wide
staff
recognize
it.
We
have
Phil
Andrea
in
the
the
room.
Phil
and
I
have
worked
together
for
ever
since
I've
been
elected
to
put
in
traffic
calming
measures
and
Anna
Maria's
right
there
only
a
patchwork
of
strategies,
so
one
of
the
key
ways
without
resolving
the
trucks,
but
to
start
making
it
feel
more
normal
as
a
street
is
to
bring
the
right
measurement
of
that
curb
lane,
both
north
and
southbound.
C
So
then
off-peak
cars
can
park,
they
own
the
lane,
there's
no
people
driving
through
the
lane,
which
is
happening
currently,
and
a
non
peak
you're,
not
you're,
not
allowing
a
speeding
environment,
because
what
happens
is
that
that
Lane
is
so
wide
that
it
almost
acts
as
an
on-ramp
to
to
the
bridge
where
people
want
to
pass
each
other
and
they
pass
on
the
right
side
rather
than
and
being
in
the
to
curb
lanes.
So
I
guess
my
question
to
staff
would
be
the
following:
what
are
the?
C
What
were
the
thought
process
relating
to
not
including
it
in
the
downtown
moves?
And
my
second
question
would
be
in
the
environment
of
sto
shifting
their
services
to
Lyon?
What
do
we
believe
to
be
the
right
approach
for
for
the
trial
for
the
correction,
like
we're
doing
for
Albert
and
Slater,
for
for
an
Avenue
like
an
Edward.
D
Chair,
as
we
mentioned
in
our
response
to
the
motion,
we
did
look
at
downtown
moves
to
see
if
there
are
some
applicability
of
including
King
Edward
into
that
program,
and
it
doesn't
seem
to
apply
because
for
downtown
moves.
Actually,
it's
it's
not
being
funded
through
light,
rail
or
any
other
program.
It
is.
It
is
a
strategy
looking
at
how
we
can
repurpose
Albert
and
Slater.
D
The
funding
for
Albert
Slater
is
coming
from
a
renewal
work,
so
there
was
an
opportunity
there
to
throw
in
some
money
from
the
cycling
program
to
bring
Albert
Slater
into
a
complete
Street
with
proper
cycling
facilities.
So
that's
being
done
that
way,
whereas
King
Edward
is
not
scheduled
for
any
renewal
work
in
the
near
future,
so
there's
no
funding
from
that
aspect.
D
Your
second
question
was
about
what
do
we
do
once?
Sto
leaves
well
this.
This
is
the
the
concept
plan
that
we
had
provided
for
you
in
terms
of
what
we
can
do
to
narrow
the
lanes.
So
really,
the
issue
here
is
about
funding,
so
the
cost
is
four
million
for
for
that
option
to
where
we
bring
the
curb
outside
curbs
in.
C
I
C
Then
could
you
explain
to
me
I'm
not
sure,
if
you're
well,
I'm,
sure
you're
aware
I'm
not
sure
if
it's
under
your
authority,
but
when
we
redo
transit
ways
or
when
we
do
transit
specific
collections?
How
is
that
funded?
So,
unlike
when
we
do
roads,
you
talked
about
the
renewal
for
downtown
moves
or
the
funding
for
Albert's
later,
but
the
specifics
of
capital
funding
for
transit
house
how's
that
establish.
D
Transit
is
funded
through
the
transit
program
and
those
are
the
projects
where
we're
putting
in
a
facility
in
two
improve
transit
service.
So
in
this
case
I
don't
know
if
it
applies
because
it
was
not
set
up
for
transit.
Other
than
sto
buses
were
operating
in
the
lane
so
and
and
transit
is
funded
through
the
the
gas
tax
as
well
some
DC's,
but
that's
the
the
funding
background
for
that
program.
D
D
C
My
last
question
on
this
is
so
Phil
you'll
endeavor.
To
get
me
the
answers
relating
to
the
revenue
for
the
red
light,
but
Vivi
today
we're
receiving
a
report.
Can
you
maybe
define
what's
the
status
of
that
report,
because
I
want
to
make
sure
that
okay,
today
we
don't
have
the
money
for
it.
We
have
a
plan
that
the
community
endorses
that
you,
you
see
the
benefit
of,
and
you
you've
brought
you're
bringing
forward.
D
C
B
B
B
To
effect,
a
positive
change
in
the
city
is
what
being
a
community
is
all
about,
and
the
beauty
beauty
of
program,
if
you
do
innovative
million
died,
benevolent
pal
CCP
at
vaynermedia.
Do
not
wash
poor
gal
do
not
reveal
proper
a
belt
in
seats
eternally
on
the
kilogram
did
I
check.
You
know,
despair,
you,
the
nosy
specific.
It
can
only
take
eliminate
corrective.
An
and
I
would
like
to
thank
residents.
B
Our
colleagues
on
council,
as
well
as
our
generous
sponsors
for
your
continued
support
of
cleaning
the
capital
campaign
and,
of
course,
to
our
friends
in
the
in
the
media,
who
helped
promote
it
and
helped
encourage
residents
to
participate
and
to
recognize
these
important
efforts.
It's
a
tradition
to
present
an
award
for
the
highest
rate
of
volunteer
participation
for
cleanup
for
cleanup
projects
with
this
very
prestigious
certificate
signed
electronically
by
the
mayor
today
is
my
pleasure
to
announce
the
top
two
wards
for
2019
I
would
like
to
congratulate
Caroline
Mian
from
Ward
22
colostrum
opinion.
B
B
B
Do
you
vote
that
avec
vous,
where
they
go
down
and,
as
you
take
a
petite
at
on-demand
vine
and
I'll,
see
to
know
and
looking
forward
to
everyone
competing
very
hard
for
this
very
prestigious
certificate
next
year
for
2020
to
keep
our
parks
and
shorelines
and
and
roadways,
roadways,
clear,
Matt
and
Laura
from
where
liens
are
gonna
make
sure
that
Orleans
takes
home
at
least
one
of
those
next
year
right!
Wonderful!
Thank
you
very
much,
we'll
get
on
with
the
rest
of
the
meeting.
Thank
you.
B
B
Me
excuse
me
so
now
we
are
on
to
item
2
and
for
those
of
you
who
have
missed
it,
there
is
a
joint
sign
at
the
back
of
the
room
for
our
community
safety
zones
and
I
thought.
It
was
important
to
have
this
here
today
to
demonstrate
both
what
it
looks
like
from
an
education
perspective,
but
also
to
highlight-
and
this
is
important
for
our
friends
at
the
back-
the
challenges
with
implementation
of
this
program.
B
This
is
what
needs
to
be
installed
at
the
beginning
and
at
the
at
the
back
end
of
every
community
safety
zone
by
regulation.
It
has
to
be
that
wide
because
of
the
bilingual
nature
of
our
community,
and
that
obviously
poses
some
very
serious
and
difficult
physical
challenges
in
terms
of
where
to
put
it
and
how
and
and
where
they
can
actually
be
installed
versus,
not
and
limits
our
ability
to
to
implement
these,
which
our
staff
will
get
into.
So
we
do
have
a
staff
presentation.
Mr.
Landry
I'm
Miss
Tanaka
over
to
you,
Thank.
I
You
chair
bleh,
and
are
pleased
to
be
here
to
present
to
you
our
implementation
plan
for
community
safety
zones.
So
this
is
required
in
advance
of
beginning
our
pilot,
automated
speed
enforcement,
we're
still
waiting
for
the
province
in
terms
of
when
we
can
begin
that
work
and
that
pilot.
But
we
want
to
get
everything
in
place
so
that
when
they
say
go,
we
can
go,
and
at
this
point,
I'll
pass
is
a
course
to
go
through
the
presentation.
K
K
The
Highway
Traffic
Act
authorizes
municipalities
to
designate
portions
of
their
roadways
as
community
safety
zones
where
they
deem
there
is
a
safety
issue.
The
requirements
to
do
this
require
the
enactment
of
a
corresponding
bylaw,
as
well
as
the
installation
of
designated
regulatory
signs
as
councillor
bleh
mentioned.
This
is
an
example
of
the
sign
behind
us
over
here
in
2017,
the
province
passed
the
bill
bill,
sixty
five,
which
was
the
safer
school
zones
Act,
which
allowed
the
use
of
automated
speed
enforcement
within
school
zones
and
community
safety
zones.
K
K
With
with
that
in
mind,
we
developed
a
data-driven
approach
to
review
the
roadways
around
our
376
schools,
traffic
services
collected
data
at
approximately
400
locations,
close
to
schools
and
developed
a
process
including
a
screening
process,
a
prioritization
process
and
then
a
feasibility
review
of
those
locations.
The
screening
process
looked
at
the
all
of
the
schools
within
the
city
to
determine
those
with
high
compliance
with
the
posted
speed
limit
and
those
with
a
low
number
of
children,
walking
or
cycling
to
school.
K
As
the
first
step,
those
that
had
lower
compliance
or
more
children
walking
were
moved
on
to
a
prior.
Our
ties
ation
process.
In
order
to
prioritize
the
locations.
We
looked
at
the
number
of
high-end
speeders,
those
traveling
at
15
kilometers
an
hour
or
more
over
the
posted
speed
limit,
as
well
as
the
number
of
children
walking
to
school
or
not
being
bused
to
school
as
an
exposure,
which
is
a
measure
of
risk.
K
Once
we
prioritized
all
those
locations.
We
then
had
to
review
each
of
the
top-50
to
determine
where
we
can
implement
community
safety
zone.
Signage
looked
at
the
existing
signage
in
terms
of
whether
or
not
there
were
school
zone
signage,
and
then
we
also
had
to
review
for
the
technical
requirements
of
ASC
equipment.
K
As
mentioned
previously,
the
size
of
the
community
safety
zone
sign
is
very
large
and
the
regulations
around
them
are
very
prescriptive.
We
looked
at
opportunities
to
change
the
positioning
of
the
signs
or
stagger
them,
but
the
regulations
are
very
strict.
The
English
sign
has
to
be
placed
to
the
left
of
the
french
sign
and
they
have
to
be
aligned
on
both
sides
of
the
road
for
the
beginning
and
ends
of
the
community
safety
zone.
This
results
in
a
1.5
meter,
wide
sign
which
is
difficult
to
place
in
many
locations
around
the
city.
K
K
This
picture
is
a
an
example
of
a
location
where
we
would
not
be
able
to
accommodate
the
signage.
This
is
a
picture
of
Bank
Street
between
Euclid
and
Sunnyside
on
the
right-hand
side,
you'll
also
see
a
picture
of
the
signage
which
takes
up
the
vast
majority
of
the
sidewalk
and
the
corresponding
place
on
the
other
side,
where
we
would
have
to
place
the
ends
sign
for
the
other
direction
of
travel
again,
not
a
spot
where
we
could
accommodate
this
sign.
K
So
once
our
review
was
done
of
the
top
50
sites,
eight
sites
were
selected
as
potential
sites
for
automated
speed
enforcement
and
community
safety
zone
implementation.
They
include
waters,
long
fields,
Bay,
Shore,
Meadowlands,
Ogilvy,
Smythe,
Ennis
and
Katimavik.
These
eight
zones
cover
twelve
different
schools,
a
mix
of
both
public
schools
or
elementary
schools
and
high
schools.
K
Following
the
release
of
the
provinces,
ASC
regulations
or
the
automated
speed
enforcement
regulations
and
in
addition
to
finalizing
the
necessary
automated
speed
enforcement
agreements,
we
will
then
be
in
a
position
to
pilot
automated
speed
enforcement
to
add
some
of
these
locations,
we're
currently
in
the
process
of
reviewing
them
through
the
circulation
process,
to
determine
if
there
are
any
underground
issues
that
would
limit
these
sites.
Further.
K
We're
also
working
continuing
to
work
with
the
province
to
make
changes
to
the
regulations
to
allow
us
to
implement
other
locations
that
have
community
safety
zones
or
school
zones,
and
then
also
to
look
at
opportunities
to
change
the
requirements
around
the
community
safety
zone.
Sign
so
that
it
is
eight,
so
we're
able
to
fit
it
in
more
locations
of
across
the
city.
That
will
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
you
may
have.
Thank.
B
H
Thanks
Gerry
I
have
a
technical
amendment
to
replace
document
one
draft
community
safety
zone
by
law,
whereas
the
report
recommends
approving
the
proposed
CSC
bylaw
in
document
one
and
whereas
there
were
clerical
and
typographical
errors
in
document
one
as
the
bylaw
must
include
the
posted
speed
limits
and
correct
signage
placement.
Measurements,
therefore
be
it
resolved
that
the
draft
by
law
contained
the
document.
One
of
the
report
be
replaced
with
the
attached
revised
CSC
bylaw
and
be
it
FURTHER
RESOLVED
the
table.
H
B
Jurisdictions
such
as
the
City
of
Ottawa
to
install
English
and
French
community
safety
zone
signs
side-by-side,
resulting
in
1.3
5,
meter
signage
that
does
not
fit
within
the
right-of-way
in
the
vicinity
of
many
schools
within
the
city
and
whereas
the
City
of
Ottawa
recognizes
school
zones
as
locations
warranting
the
same
level
of
disincentive
for
speeding
and
other
highway
tract
Traffic,
Act
offenses
as
community
safety
zones
and
construction
zones.
Therefore
be
resolved.
B
The
City
Council
through
the
mayor
formally
requests
the
province
of
Ontario
to
one
modify
the
Highway
Traffic
Act
to
allow
for
doubling
of
fines
within
school
zones
without
the
need
for
additional
community
safety
zone
signage,
to
modify
the
regulations
to
ensure
that
school
zone
signage
meets
the
evidentiary
requirements
for
use
of
automated
speed
enforcement
within
school
zones
and
three
modify
the
regulations
to
allow
for
narrower
narrower
signage
configurations
for
community
safety
zones
within
bilingual
jurisdictions,
and
so
with
the
technical
amendment
and
that
motion.
If
we
can
discuss
it
all
at
once,
councillor
Brockington,
please.
L
Thank
You
mr.
chair
excellent
motion.
No
comments
on
that
I
think
it
hits
the
nail
on
the
head.
My
question
was
to
staff
whether
they
wording
on
the
signage
is
mandatory.
I
think
the
answer
is
yes.
As
part
of
the
regulation,
this
is
the
wording
that
is
required.
My
issue
is
it's
not
clear
to
motorists
that
they're
entering
a
zone
that
has
speed
enforcement
technology
in
use
and
I,
don't
think
it's
100%,
clear
and
transparent?
We
have
signage
that
says
red-light
camera
as
people
are
approaching
an
intersection
with
red-light
cameras.
L
Have
we
been
part
of
the
working
group
that
we're
developing
the
regulations?
Has
this
come
up
because
I
know
people
are
going
to
be
upset
that
we're
not
being
transparent
or
as
transparent
as
we
should
be,
and
this
has
always
been
an
issue
when
there
was
some
pushback
back
in
2016-17,
people
were
upset
that
it
was
a
tax
grab.
I
was
going
to
be
done
under
cloak
and
I
really
wanted
signage
to
be
as
clear
as
possible.
Do
you
have
anything
to
add.
K
Through
the
chair,
yes,
we've
been
working
on
the
provincial
working
group
and
there
will
be
agreements
in
place
between
the
city
and
the
Ministry
of
Transportation
of
Ontario.
That
will
require
some
additional
signage
where
we
will
be
placing
the
automated
speed
enforcement
cameras.
So
it
would
be
very
similar
to
the
red
light
running
cameras,
it'll
have
a
picture
of
a
camera
and
then
say
speed
V
tests
on
it
to
indicate
that
automated
speed
enforcement
is
in
place
at
that.
Okay.
L
Then,
if
you
know,
chair
ablaze,
motion
is
picked
up
by
the
province.
I
do
think,
there's
a
lot
of
merit
and
doubling
this
the
fines
in
school
zones.
You
see
that
in
construction
zones
and
I
know
in
the
United
States
it's
very
common
to
have
fines
doubled.
Can
you
talk
about
whether
expand
on
the
community
consultation
piece,
I?
Think
I
heard
in
the
mayor's
budget
address
that
there
would
be
community
consultation?
L
I
So
we
want
to
get
that
data
and
also
in
terms
of
the
revenues,
because
we
plan
on
bringing
forward
report
next
fall.
That
would
address
a
program
moving
forward,
and
that
would
be
a
program
that
would
have
cameras
throughout
the
city
and
and
part
of
that
work
will
be
to
to
work
with
the
counselors
based
on
a
priority
list
to
identify
those
locations.
I
We're
also
hopeful
that
we
can
address
the
concerns
that
have
been
brought
forward
through
that
motion,
so
that
we
don't
necessarily
need
to
use
Community
Safety's
on
science
if
fines
are
doubled
in
school
zones.
This
is
just
an
additional
sign.
It
adds
to
the
sign
clutter
that,
from
our
perspective,
really
isn't
required.
I
If,
if
we
can
get
the
school
speed
zones,
fines
doubled
in
terms
of
the
revenue
as
part
of
a
road
safety
action
plan
that
we'll
be
bringing
forward
next
month,
we'll
be
discussing
that,
but
the
intent
would
be
any
revenues
that
are
generated
through
automated
speed
enforcement
would
be
reinvested
into
road
safety
projects
and
the
road
safety
action
plan
and
we'll
have
more
details
on
that
next
month.
X.
L
K
Through
the
chair,
the
threshold
speed
will
be
established
at
the
steering
committee
level
on
a
provincial
level,
and
the
intent
is
to
keep
it
confidential.
We
don't
want
the
impression
that
a
certain
level
of
speeding
is
tolerated
or
acceptable,
so
that
is
the
intent
of
the
program
as
many
other
jurisdictions
run.
Their
programs
as
well
I.
L
Agree
that
any
speeding
is
unacceptable.
However,
this
program
will
not
be
accepted
by
the
public.
If
we're
giving
tickets
out
for
people
going
to
kilometres
over
the
speed
limit,
there
has
to
be
some
wiggle
room
that
people
may
challenge
the
technology,
but
we're
really
targeting
people
who
are
grossly
abusing
speed
limits
in
certain
zones.
So
can
you
confirm
there
were
you
know,
it'll,
be
a
reasonable
amount
above
the
speed
limit
for.
L
My
last
comment,
mr.
chair,
is
when
the
announcement
came
out,
I
think
on
November,
1st
I
immediately
wrote
to
mr.
Landry,
because
I
had
a
number
of
questions
about
the
criteria
used
in
the
screening
process
to
compile
the
list
and
that
the
top
eight
or
nine
locations
I'm
meeting
with
mr.
Landry
I
think
today
or
tomorrow,
to
go
through
that,
because
I
have
a
number
of
problematic
areas.
L
In
my
ward,
the
one
that
comes
to
mind
is
Carlton
Heights,
which
is
on
Prince
of
Wales
a
former
highway
where
children
are
crossing
the
street
that
didn't
make
the
list
and
I'm
sure
there
are
many
many
many
other
viable
worthy
school
zones
that
that
should
have.
This
I
recognise
this
as
a
pilot
project
and
I'm
certainly
open
to
seeing
the
success
of
this
for
these
locations.
But
we
desperately
need
this
technology
in
other
locations,
not
just
in
the
suburbs.
L
There
are
many
school
zones
in
the
city
in
rural
areas
as
well
that
need
that
so
I
mean
I'm
very,
very
happy
to
see
this
project
come
together.
A
strong
supporter
of
this
a
number
of
years
ago
even
went
to
Queens
Park
to
speak
in
favor
and
I'm
glad
to
see
this
before
us,
but
we
really
need
to
roll
this
out.
The
speeding
is
the
number
one
issue
in
our
residential
communities,
impacting
the
safety
and
security
of
our
residents
and
we
need
to
tap
into
whatever
tools
are
available
to
enforce
those
limits.
M
Thank
you
very
much
and
I
appreciate
that
you
met
with
me
before
to
tell
me
about
the
one
in
my
zone.
I
appreciate
it
I
think
it's
an
excellent
choice,
be
sure,
there's
a
high
number
of
active
transportation
participants
in
the
students
because
they
they
literally
live
across
the
street
very
little
busing
in
that
area.
So
there's
a
number
of
kids
that
are
just
crossing
the
street
so
in
to
encourage
active
transportation.
We
have
to
continue
this.
M
As
a
former
trustee
and
a
member
of
the
active
transportation
committee
for
the
city
for
hasta,
I
know
that
that
was
a
big
problem
is
just
getting
kids
across
those
main
arterial
streets
that
are
very,
very
busy
and
I
appreciate.
Hearing
about
the
community
consultation
I
wanted
to
know
in
in
in
terms
of
just
people
going
by
and
seeing
these
signs
I
wondered
why
they
didn't
put
that
symbol
on
of
the
little
camera.
Why
that
wasn't
done,
I
mean
I.
M
K
Threw
the
chair
there
there
is
a
plan
to
implement
those
cam
those
types
of
signs
with
the
implementation
of
automated
speed
enforcement.
Community
safety
zones,
however,
can
be
implemented
anywhere
in
the
city.
They
can
be
standalone
without
automated
speed
enforcement,
and
it's
only
because
of
the
Highway
Traffic
Act
and
the
way
in
which
the
province
has
approved
the
use
of
automated
speed
enforcement
that
we
must
install
the
community
safety
zone
signs
at
this
time
to
pilot
the
technology.
K
M
Thank
you
and
I
just
want
to
say
the
emotion
brought
forward
by
by
Councillor,
blade
and
I
think
that
would
be
very
helpful.
I
was
very
surprised
to
learn
that
that,
for
example,
dy
Kennedy
and
Woodruff
Ave
and
you
couldn't
get
assigned,
because
there
wasn't
enough
space
based
on
this
sign
requirement,
and
it
just
seemed
bizarre
that
they
would
miss
out
on
this
technology
and
this
helped
to
keep
kids
safe
based
on
the
size
of
a
sign.
M
So
I
really
really
hope
that
we
can
work
that
out
because
there's
a
absolute
need
to
keep
our
kids
safe.
My
other
question
is
in
terms
of
other
consultations.
One
of
the
things
I
hear
a
lot
and
curve
clear
from
the
community
is
people
making
illegal
right
turns
at
certain
times
of
the
day,
and
the
big
one
is
at
Lannister
in
Fairlawn,
where
people
just
ignore
no
right
turn
sign
at
peak
hours,
which
could
is
designed
to
keep
kids
safe
as
they
walk
over
to
dr
kennedy
and
it's
just
ignored.
M
K
M
K
There
are
opportunities,
not
just
with
turn
restrictions
for
different
forms
of
automated
enforcement.
For
sure
there
are
a
couple
of
locations
where
they're
bustling
infractions
as
well,
that
are
causing
a
safety
concern.
So
I
would
encourage
those
who
are
interested
in
seeing
these
other
forms
of
automated
enforcement
to
definitely
bring
it
up
with
the
province
as
they're
the
ones
who
will
be
responsible
for
adding
that
to
the
Highway
Traffic
Act.
Thank.
M
H
Thank
You
chair
just
a
quick
question
in
respect
to
the
the
photo
radar
component
of
it
so
I
understand
each
sign.
Each
one
of
these
signs
is
$600
and
that's
going
to
be
funded
out
of
the
traffic
services
budget
when
the
photo
radar
is
implemented.
How
much
are
we
anticipating
each
of
those
devices
is
going
to
cost
and
which
budget
is
that
going
to
come
out
of.
K
The
revenue
generated
from
the
automated
speed
enforcement
is
anticipated
to
pay
for
the
operating
costs
of
the
systems.
Currently,
the
implementation
is
being
funded
through
the
safety
improvement
program
and
the
safer
roads
Ottawa
program
for
the
implementation
of
the
eight
sites.
That
is
part
of
this
pilot.
The
report
that
we
bring
forward
in
the
fall
of
next
year
will
address
the
funding
process
for
the
the
devices
going
forward.
K
H
There
are
many
many
councillors,
probably
around
this
table
and
communities
across
the
city
that
are
eager
to
receive
not
only
these
zones,
but
the
photo
radar
component
of
it
and
I
understand
that
you
had
50
on
your
list
that
you
were
looking
at.
What
I'm
curious
about
is
whether
or
not
if
there
is
any
issues
and
having
this
incorporated
into
traffic
operations
budget
or
having
the
revenue
funneling
back
to
it.
If
we
can
consider
this
as
part
of
our
TTC's.
I
The
TTC
can't
encourage
operational
pressures,
so
I,
don't
think
you
could
include
it
through
the
TTC
program.
But
that
being
said,
when
we
bring
back
a
report,
next
fall
we'll
have
all
the
data
that
will
support
the
recommendation
that
we
bring
forward
and
if
we
can
look
at
mentioned
earlier,
get
the
province
to
allow
us
not
to
have
put
these
community
safety
zones
that
we
can,
because
every
schools
got
the
school
zone
science
today.
I
So
with
that
change,
you
know
the
340
some
lot
of
schools
with
all
of
a
sudden,
become
doubling
fines,
so
that
that
also
allows
police
when
they're
out
doing
their
their
work,
to
to
double
fines
as
well.
So
I
think
that's
I
mean
that's
we're
pushing
hard
I,
know
Krista's
working
very
hard
with
the
stakeholder
group,
which
does
include
staff
from
MTO
and
other
cities
in
the
province
to
get
that
in
place,
because,
from
our
perspective,
just
adding
these
community
safety
zone
signs
your
size
to
the
clutter
of
the
street
and
especially
near
schools.
H
Also
was
curious
as
to
you
you
mentioned,
you
have
the
criteria
and
it's
all
in
the
report
and
respect
to
identifying
locations.
I
know
I
was
personally
disappointed
that
Renault
Road
wasn't
included
because
there
are
two
schools
there
and
we
have
issues
but
we'll
deal
with
that
and
we'll
talk
about
it,
but
I'm
wondering
as
to
what's
the
next
step
in
terms
of
go.
Are
you
going
to
be
going
back
through
that
list
of
50?
How
do
we
make
sure
that
we're
moving
forward
with
implementing
more
as
we
go
like?
K
Through
the
chair,
it
really
depend
I,
think
a
lot
on
how
the
changes
are
made
at
the
province,
we're
hoping
that
they
align
with
the
timing
of
our
report.
Many
of
the
locations
in
the
top
50
were
ruled
out
because
of
a
signage
issue.
So
if
that
is
cleared
up,
then
we
would
still
want
to
go
back
to
the
higher
ones,
where
there's
a
higher
exposure
and
risk
for
children
walking
to
and
from
school,
and
try
and
address
those
first
and
move
further
down
the
list
as
we
bring
on
new
sites.
N
Very
much
chair,
thank
you
for
the
report.
I'm
very
supportive
of
the
initiative.
I
just
wanted
to
probe
a
little
bit
more
on
timing
in
terms
of
the
the
prioritization
of
those
those
top
fifty
how
many
of
those
were
warranted
in
the
core
of
Ottawa,
without
the
look
looking
at
the
whether
they
can
actually
be
put
there,
how
many
of
those
tough
50
were
were
in
the
Corps
offhand.
N
We're
there
were
there
zero
options
within
the
Corps
to
implement
one
of
these
on
the
pilot
project,
or
was
there
actually
an
option,
but
it
just
wasn't
very
high
on
the
on
the
list.
I
just
want
to
clarify,
because
I
know
there's
a
lot
less
space
in
the
Corps
of
Ottawa,
but
I
just
want
to
know.
If
there
was,
there
was
actually
no
option
at
all
to
put
these
signs
in
community
safety
zone
signs
up
in
school
areas
and
I'm
thinking
of
I'm.
N
Looking
at
Sunnyside
I
have
a
map
of
it
here
on
Google
Maps
and
it
looks
like
there's
there's
some
area
there
beside
cobalt,
which
has
a
huge
amount
of
students
that
walk
to
school.
For
example,
there's
some
the
sidewalk
has
extended
some
other
space
here,
so
I'm
just
thinking
is
there
no
space
at
all
within
the
core
to
have
one
of
these
as
a
pilot
within
the
pilot
project.
K
Through
the
chair,
we
really
only
reviewed
the
top
50
sites.
So
once
we
look
at
the
list
we'll
be
able
to
answer
that
question,
we
did
check
every
site
in
the
top
50
to
determine
whether
or
not
the
signs
would
fit
whether
or
not
there
was
existing
school
zone.
Signage
in
place
could
have
been
ruled
out
for
one
of
those
two
reasons
or
some
locations
were
ruled
out,
because
we
couldn't
get
power
to
it,
but
we'd
be
happy
to
sit
down
with
you
and
go
through
your
list.
If
you'd
like
well.
N
Just
say
if
there
I
mean
and
maybe
I'll
take
this
a
direction,
but
if
you
do
find
a
spot
because
it
right
now
nothing
there's
none
in
the
core
right,
they're,
all
outside
of
the
core
that
had
been
the
eight
spots
that
are
looking
to
be
piloted.
So
if
you
do
find
a
spot
within
the
core
just
once,
but
it
would
be
helpful
to
have
that
as
on
the
pilot
list.
N
Even
if
it's
a
ninth
location
and
so
I
don't
know
if
you
can
take
this
as
direction
to
come
back,
but
just
we're
just
looking
for
one
spot
within
the
core
and
if
that's
possible.
Let's,
let's
make
that
that
happen.
The
cost
doesn't
seem
that
great
to
given
counselor
addresses
question.
So
it'd
be
great.
If
we
could
implement
that
I,
don't
even
be
willing
to
pay
for
it
out
of
my
my
own
budget,
but
if
you
can
take
that
as
direction
and
come
back
with
one
spot
in
the
core
would
be
fantastic.
Oh.
I
Sorry
we
can
take
a
look
at
that.
One
thing
is
right:
now
we're
focused
on
the
permanent
locations.
The
the
regulations
also
allow
us
to
look
at
mobile,
so
we're
looking
in
potentially
next
spring
to
bring
in
a
mobile
camera,
and
if
we
can
get
the
regulations
change,
assuming
that
we
can't
find
any
spots,
because
I
believe
that
we
didn't
have
any
spots
that
were
in
the
top
50
that
you
could
fit
the
the
signs
like
the
commute
safety
zone
signs.
N
Through
the
list
in
your
ward,
that
makes
a
lot
of
sense
and
yeah
just
on
that
earlier
PC,
if
there
is
spot
to
spot
for
these
on
both
side
of
the
street
without
the
mobile
camera,
you're
mentioned
that
next
fall
would
be
when
we
had
fuller
implementation
of
this
after
the
pilot
project,
and
so
that
wouldn't
work.
What
would
that
not
require
those
signs
or
would
it
require
those
signs?
It
just
depends:
I,
guess
how
the
province
responds
well,.
I
If
the
regulation
stayed
like
they
are
today,
they
would
require
the
signs.
If
the
regulations
get
changed
and
allows
us
to
use
the
school
zone
signage,
then
we
would,
it
would
open
up
a
lot
of
locations
because
I
know
in
the
top
50.
There
were
quite
a
few
that
we
had
to
take
out
because
either
they
were
in
a
school
zone
where
we
changed
speed
limit
with
flashing
lights.
That's
that's.
The
biggest
challenge
is
because
it's
a
photo.
I
You
need
to
a
flashing
light
when
the
pictures
taken
may
not
be
flashing,
so
they
may
say:
well
the
light
wasn't
working,
so
it
wasn't
a
school
zone.
So
those
are
the
kind
of
things
we
need
to
to
revise
them
and
the
regulations.
But
if
this
those
get
all
changed
between
now
and
next
fall,
our
recommendation
would
be
different
than
if
we
can
all
use
community
safety
zone,
at
least
in
the
interim.
The
other
thing
is
as
part
of
the
recommendation
today
previously
for
any
new
safety
zone.
I
We
need
to
bring
a
report
to
committee,
we're
also
asking
for
delegated
authority
for
the
general
manager
and
the
director
to
be
able
to
implement
those,
and
then
we
report
those
on
a
yearly
basis,
which
will
make
things
go
a
lot
faster.
So
even
if
we
can
get
the
province
to
change
the
signage
like
we
have
today's
side-by-side.
I
N
O
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
and
thank
you
for
your
presentation
today.
I'm
really
glad
to
see
that
waters
in
front
of
the
st.
Francis
of
Assisi
is
gonna,
be
included
in
the
pilot
very,
very
difficult
to
keep
it
secret.
It
was
staked
for
about
three
weeks
before
it
was
a
lil
bit
unclear
near
presentation.
There
was
a
little
bit
unclear
when,
when
we
met
to
discuss
it,
but
at
the
locations
that
you've
chosen,
I
know
you've,
probably
done
locates
already
any
ground
issues
or
any
any
conflicts
underneath
those
those
sites
that
you've
chosen.
K
Through
the
chair,
we
haven't
received
the
circulations
back
for
all
of
them,
yet
they're
one
of
the
sights
waters
we
we
do
require
to
go
a
little
bit
further
to
get
power
than
we
had
initially
anticipated,
which
may
delay
the
implementation.
It
may
be
later
December
for
that
site,
but
it
still
is
feasible
as
part
of
the
pilot,
the
rest
of
the
sites.
We
haven't
really
heard
back
on
yet
yeah.
O
I
can
appreciate
how
deep
you'd
have
to
go.
Considering
you
know
the
wind
events
that
we've
had
in
Ottawa,
both
in
the
south
end
West
End
and
in
Ottawa
or
in
New
Orleans,
and
with
a
sign
that
big
totally
understand
so
there's
not
gonna,
be
any
issues
with
getting
that
one
installed
and
the
cold
weather.
Let
the
concrete
will
form
that
everything
should
be
fine.
Yeah
yeah.
I
We're
rushing
the
circulation
so
we're
expecting
to
get
a
few
back
later.
This
weekend.
Construction
would
begin,
hopefully,
next
week
or
the
week
after
our
goals
be
a
lot
of
the
locations
done
by
the
end
of
November.
But
again
we
still
have
to
wait
for
the
province
to
change
the
regulations,
so
we
can
be
all
ready
set
to
go,
but
if
the
province
waits
a
month
or
two
or
three,
then
we
have
to
wait
that
time.
I
O
Great,
yes,
we
went
with
the
safer
roads,
Ottawa
and
and
the
enviros
Center,
and
actually
walked
that
that
route
along
waters
there
are
no
addresses
on
it
other
than
st.
francis
of
assisi.
So
it's
all
backyards.
So,
as
you
can
imagine
people
don't
slow
down
whatsoever
and
pick
up
quite
a
bit
of
speed
going
in
there,
so
really
appreciate
being
included
in
the
project
and
pretty
work
guys.
Thank
you.
H
Thanks
chair
so
I
understand,
my
colleagues
have
raised
the
fact
that
you
know
the
five
downtown
Ward's.
Don't
have
a
pilot
I
appreciate
the
motion
that
the
chair
has
put
forward
to
to
try
to
ensure
that
the
we're
included
in
future
lists,
as
as
this
becomes
more
widely
rolled
out,
what
what
are
the
conditions
that
we
are
looking
for
in
the
in
order
to
be
able
to
put
up
this
sign
like
how
much
right-of-way
do
you
need
and
what
are
your
considerations
around
sight
lines,
etc?.
K
Through
the
chair,
the
signage
is
1.35
meters
wide,
so
we
have
to
be
able
to
install
it
within
our
property
within
the
right-of-way
property
and
have
a
buffer
on
either
side.
So
it
doesn't
hang
over
onto
the
road
or
onto
the
sidewalk.
We
wouldn't
want
people
to
hit
their
heads
on
it
as
they're
walking
past
on
the
sidewalk
or,
for
you
know,
a
truck
to
take
it
out.
If
we
were
hanging
over
the
road
in
any
way
does.
H
I
Say,
like
the
sign
is
1.35
meters
wide
I'd
say
you
want
about
between
1.7
and
2
meters
of
area,
because
we
have
signs
and
you're
I
mean
you
see
them
around
the
city
where
a
quarter
of
it
gets
knocked
off
because
you
know
either
because
of
snowplows
are
because
there's
a
truck
fix.
That
was
a
little
too
close
that
had
some
of
those
hanging.
So
we
just
want
to
ensure
that
and
the
challenge
in
the
Corps
is
that
you
don't
have
that.
I
Boulevard,
like
we
saw
in
the
one
picture,
on
meadow
lines
that
they're
spaced
to
do
that
in
the
Corps.
You've
got
the
road,
the
sidewalk
and
then
the
home,
and
so
we
don't.
We
can't
put
it
on
the
sidewalk.
We
can't
put
it
on
the
road
and
we
can't
put
it
so
just
there's
no
room
versus
you
know
if
it
was
like.
I
If
we
could
put
a
one
on
top
of
the
other,
then
you
could
put
it
on
an
existing
pole
like
we
do
with
speed
limit
science
and
so
I
think
if
we
can
get
that
change
done
by
the
province
that
would
open
up
a
lot
of
locations
within
the
five
Ward's
in
the
Corps
that
we
just
can't
do,
there's
physically
no
room
to
do
so.
I.
H
K
P
K
H
K
I
I
would
also
add
that
I
mean
we've
gone
through,
see
we're
doing
we're
doing
the
same
format
as
the
red-light
cameras
where
the
city
Toronto
has
done.
The
procurement
they've
also
got
the
processing
centre,
and
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
tag
along
onto
that
contract
to
purchase
the
cameras
from
the
vendor,
and
so
that
process
has
all
gone
through.
They've
got
a
vendor,
they've
started.
I
That's
why
we're
starting
to
install
some
of
the
permanent
locations,
so
everything's
ready
to
go,
but
it's
a
matter
of
just
wait
until
the
province
like
turns
on
the
switch
to
say,
you're
good
to
go
so
we're
not
waiting
until
the
province
says
you're
good
to
go
before
starting
the
work
yep.
We
want
to
be
at
a
point
that
you
know
if
it
you
know
that
if
everything's
installed-
and
they
say
you
know
next
week-
it'll
be
enacted,
then
we
can
start
next
week.
Okay,.
H
I
So
the
underground
is
the
first,
a
foundation
that
we
have
to
to
install
and
also
there's
duct,
that
has
to
go
from
the
hydro
that
closes
hydro
feet
to
the
to
the
to
the
foundation,
which
will
then
feed
the
unit.
So
we
have
to
you
know
similar
to
the
red-light
cameras
and
even
street
lights
and
other
traffic
signals.
We
have
all
this
underground
plant
that
requires
power,
so
we
just
have
to
find
that
connection
from
where
the
the
the
hydro
can
supplies
the
power.
So
that's
the
underground
work
that
needs
to
get
done
is.
K
B
B
H
J
Morning,
chair
members
of
committee,
I
would
like
to
thank
you
for
having
us
here
today
to
present
to
you
the
improvements
that
we
have
put
in
place
for
our
winter
operations
as
part
of
the
service
delivery
review.
My
name
is
Lila
Gibbons
and
I'm.
The
director
of
roads
and
parking
services
and
joining
me
here
today
is
Quinton
Levesque,
who
is
the
director
of
technical
innovation
and
engineering
services?
Quinton
has
been,
and
will
continue
to
be,
a
key
member
of
our
team
through
the
service
delivery
process.
J
To
start
off
with,
we
felt
very
strongly
that
our
supervisors
and
our
staff,
those
individuals
that
are
on
the
roads
every
day,
had
to
be
a
key
partner
in
helping
us
develop
the
solutions
that
would
have
real
impacts
on
our
winter
operations
this
year.
The
changes
and
improvements
that
you
will
see
throughout
the
presentation
were
developed
through
the
ongoing
consultation
with
our
staff,
as
they
remained
heavily
involved
throughout
the
whole
process.
We
have
a
previous
winter
operations
and
focuses
review
on
opportunities
for
improvements
based
on
concerns.
A
Councils
direction,
as
well
as
the
feedback
we
heard
from
individual
counselors
and
the
residents
guided
our
strategy
for
the
service
delivery.
Review
staff
have
leveraged
this
opportunity
to
make
real
changes
and
improvements
going
into
this
winter.
We
focused
on
putting
in
place
a
consistent
structure
across
each
one
of
our
yards,
creating
deployment
plans
and
processes
based
on
geography,
infrastructure
and
community
types
and
looking
at
areas
where
we
heard
improvements
need
to
be
made
and
where
we
are
seeing
operational
pressures
and
challenges
for
our
staff
service.
J
So
area,
boundaries,
given
the
similarities
and
through
our
discussions
and
research,
we
realize
that
there's
an
opportunity
to
become
more
consistent
based
on
geography,
types
of
infrastructure
being
maintained,
community
type
and
operational
challenges.
This
structure
offers
us
the
opportunity
to
be
more
strategic
in
our
service.
J
Appreciating
the
differences
in
infrastructure
and
conditions
in
our
urban,
suburban
and
rural
areas,
we
can
now
develop
specific
strategies
for
how
they,
sir,
how
we
service
these
community
types
and
different
conditions,
for
example,
for
experiencing
high
wind
conditions,
causing
blowing
snow
and
icy
roads
in
the
rural
areas,
but
not
the
same
conditions
in
the
urban
area.
The
Royal
Yards
can
now
deploy
resources
earlier
to
those
affected
zones,
whereas
in
the
past
to
drive
consistency
across
the
city,
we
used
a
one-size-fits-all
approach
where
staff
and
equipment
in
all
areas
were
deployed.
J
At
the
same
time,
we're
also
quickly
understand.
We
also
quickly
understood
that
communities
have
changed
over
time
with
rural
areas
who
now
have
large,
suburban
neighborhoods
within
them,
and
suburban
areas
that
have
urban
components.
So
over
the
next
year
we
will
work
towards
better
aligning
those
areas
within
our
new
boundaries,
as
well
as
reviewing
where
future
growth
is
being
planned
to
determine
how
to
best
adjust
our
operations.
A
Through
this
review
process
in
consiste
season
and
gaps
were
identified,
where
resources
were
aligned
from
yard
yard
in
areas
of
echelon,
plowing,
residential
plowing
and
sidewalk
maintenance.
Through
our
discussions
of
front-line
supervisory
staff
on
what
activities
we
should
prioritize
and
put
a
more
a
focus
on
there's
alignment
with
what
we
heard
from
Council
and
residents
last
winter,
and
that
sidewalk
maintenance
should
be
the
priority
and
needs
to
be
resourced.
24/7.
A
This
balancing
of
resources
allows
for
24
hour
a
day
7
day
a
week,
maintenance
of
sidewalks
in
accordance
with
our
current
maintenance
quality
standards,
as
this
is
proven
to
be
a
valuable
review.
We
will
continue
with
this
practice
going
forward.
Ensuring
our
priorities
are
aligned
with
those
of
Council
and
residents
we
serve
and
that
we
are
regularly
reviewing
our
routes
and
where
our
resources
are
aligned
to
determine
where
growth
is
best
applied.
J
So
the
deployment
process
to
ensure
the
right
response
for
the
right
weather
event.
We
are
developing
formal
deployment
plans
to
serve
as
guidelines
for
staff
in
executing
their
work,
leveraging
the
knowledge
of
our
frontline
staff
supervisory
staff,
who
have
hundreds
of
collective
years
of
experience
amongst
them.
We've
begun
documenting
detailed
plans
for
how
and
when
to
deploy
resources
and
equipment
within
various
winter
event
scenarios.
Some
of
these
scenarios
obviously
are
major
or
minor
winter
events,
freezing
rain
events
and
our
freeze
thaw
cycles.
J
These
funnel
plans
will
serve
as
a
guideline
for
frontline
supervisors
citywide
in
determining
the
resources
and
equipment
to
be
deployed
based
on
various
weather-related
factors
such
as
forecast
accumulation
or
precipitation
event,
duration
or
maintenance,
quality
standard
trigger
points
and
ambient
and
surface
temperatures.
As
a
result,
this
initiative
ensures
that
residents
living
in
similar
community
types
like
urban
to
urban,
suburban,
suburban
and
rural
to
rural,
no
matter
where
they
live
within
the
city
can
expect
consistent
service.
J
These
deployment
plans
will
also
be
leveraged
to
provide
members
of
council
with
advanced
communication
information
to
assist
in
communicating
with
their
residents
to
ensure
they
are
aware
of
what
to
expect.
In
their
community
during
a
specific
type
of
event,
these
plans
will
also
be
used
during
our
post
event,
debriefs,
which
is
going
to
drive
continuous
improvement
through
our
winter
operations.
A
There
are
also
a
number
of
additional
winter
improvements
that
we
are
putting
in
place
for
this
winter
season.
They
include
GPS
on
her
sidewalk
equipment,
allowing
for
better
oversight
and
monitoring
of
routes.
Grit
sand
and
salt
will
be
available
to
all
yards,
allowing
for
the
usage
of
different
materials
where
warranted
warranted,
based
on
weather
conditions,
to
ensure
consistency
across
the
city
by
community
type.
For
the
upcoming
winter
season,
area
managers
will
be
primarily
responsible
for
councilor
engagement.
A
This
adjustment
will
allow
for
consistent
messaging
quicker
response
times
and
the
ability
to
identify
trends
as
part
of
our
Couchbase
and
deployment
plan.
Staff
has
also
identified
heat
maps
and
trouble
spots
that
have
required
consistent
maintenance
to
remove
blockages
that
create
pooling
and
a
possibility
of
ice
buildup.
Lastly,
roads
and
parking
services
is
working
towards
putting
in
place
standards
for
developers
to
ensure
certain
conditions
are
met
prior
to
the
handover
of
new
infrastructure
during
the
winter
season.
J
So,
as
part
of
our
ongoing
efforts
to
use
the
right
materials
for
the
right
winter
event,
Road
services
will
continue
to
pilot
the
ice
breaker
units
which
have
shown
favorable
results
when
dealing
with
icy
sidewalk
conditions.
For
this
upcoming
season
staff
are
procuring
six
additional
attachments
to
increase
our
ability
to
leverage
the
equipment
where
needed.
Additionally,
Road
services
staff
are
procuring
new
blades
to
be
used
on
some
of
our
sidewalk
machines.
J
These
blades
have
a
hatch
pattern
front,
welded
onto
a
carbide
blade,
which
should
be
more
effective
on
ice
and
hard
packed
snow
conditions
throughout
our
sidewalk
network.
Similarly,
over
the
past
two
years,
the
asphalt
repair
program
has
been
complemented
by
the
continued
use
of
the
Python
5,000
patro
repair.
Weld
service
is
actively
exploring
feasibility
of
supplementing
the
asphalt
repair
program.
With
more
of
these
units.
A
Last,
when
I
was
incredibly
challenging
and
status
quo
was
not
an
option
for
us.
We
recognized
that
there
was
an
expectation
from
Council
and
residents
that
we
make
real
changes
and
improvements
ahead
of
this
winter
season.
Roads
and
parking
services
are
striving
to
improve
and
be
more
consistent
and
how
we
deploy
and
deliver
our
services.
A
The
consistent
alignment
of
resources
across
each
of
our
winter
maintenance
yards,
increased,
increased
consistency
and
how
we
plan
and
deploy
winter
maintained,
similar
infrastructure
and
approach,
operational
and
maintenance
challenges
will
ensure
residents
and
similar
community
types,
no
matter
where
they
live
in
the
city
can
expect
consistent
service.
We've
been
listening
to
residents
over
the
past
few
winters
and
know
that
there
are
specific
areas
where
we
can
have
room
to
improve,
particularly
improving
walkability
throughout
the
city.
A
J
The
next
step
is
to
begin
our
review
of
the
winter
maintenance
quality
standards.
These
are
the
standards
that
were
previously
approved
by
council
and
actually
exceed
the
provincial
standards
as
I
sit
right
now.
It
also
exceeds
the
standards
with
other
from
our
most
other
municipalities
around
us.
These
standards
group
roads,
sidewalks
and
pathways
into
classes
where
they
have
similar
characteristics
and
functions.
These
classes
are
then
used.
J
Prioritized
winter
maintenance,
including
the
frequency
of
snow,
plowing,
ice
control
and
snow
removal,
as
per
the
direction
from
council,
roads
and
parking
services,
will
bring
back
a
report
to
committee
and
Council
in
2021
outlining
options
at
that
time.
Council
and
residents
will
be
able
to
determine
the
level
of
service
that
they
would
like
to
see,
along
with
the
corresponding
budget,
impacts
or
pressures
that
would
be
required
in
the
interim.
Through
the
service
delivery
review,
we
will
be
incorporating
improvements
to
the
winter
maintenance
operations
starting
this
season.
J
So
finally,
here's
an
example
of
some
of
the
communication
efforts
that
we're
doing
it's
a
postcard
that
was
put
together,
that's
available
to
council
and
our
residents
give
some
fun
facts
on
winter
operations.
So
I
want
to
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
to
listen
to
us
today
and
we're
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
may
have.
E
H
Thank
you
I
appreciate
the
clarification.
How
do
you
two
staff?
How
do
you
want
him
to
use
the
clear
sidewalks
if
you
can't
access
them
from
the
curb
cuts,
and
this
is,
it
is
obviously
a
perennial
problem
where
our
sidewalks
have
been
cleared,
but
corners
are
still
impassable
and
it
sometimes
takes
days.
A
Yes
through
the
chair,
in
addition
to
having
the
24/7
sidewalk
coverage,
we
do
have
in
place
heat
maps
that
prioritize
and
pay
special
attention
to
those
areas
where
we
have
school
zones,
older,
adult
communities
and
the
vulnerable
sector.
So
we
can
work
with
councilors
in
the
residence
within
those
wards
to
identify
those
areas
that
require
prioritization
and
special
attention.
I.
B
M
Thank
you
very
much.
I
really
appreciate
the
extra
effort
that's
going
in
and
the
prior
tasting
of
of
sidewalks
for
walkability
accessibility.
One
of
the
big
things
that
we
have
to
look
at
is
in
terms
of
getting
to
public
transit,
and
that's
probably
the
one
thing
I
hear
the
most.
If
we
want
people
to
walk
to
those
stations
and
those
bus
stops,
they
have
to
be
prioritized.
M
I
had
a
tweet
sent
to
me
yesterday
morning
about
Lincoln
Field,
Station
and
I
want
to
give
direction
to
to
the
public
on
who
to
send
this
to
because
it's
you
know
that
very
early
hours
of
the
morning
and
they
they
can't
get
to
the
station
and
I
believe
that
we're
going
to
work
on
these
things.
But
what
should
the
public
do
to
to
draw
attention
to
something
that
has
been
missed
on
on
something?
That's
a
major
access
point.
J
Through
the
chair,
so
thank
you
for
the
question.
We
are
obviously
pulling
some
more
resources
towards
our
sidewalk
operations,
both
during
the
daytime
and
during
the
evening
hours.
We
are
working
closely
with
our
colleagues
in
transit
to
ensure
that
the
pathways
and
sidewalks
leading
to
their
stations
are
clear
understanding
that
timing
is
really
really
critical.
The
storm
that
we
received
starting
November
11th
and
into
November
12th,
really
didn't
subside
till
the
early
morning
hours
around
five
o'clock
in
the
morning
and
we're
at
that
time
we
did
have
our
sidewalk
machines
out.
J
M
Thank
you
so,
but
in
terms
of
how
the
public
can
draw
attention,
where
are
we
going
to
set
it
up
so
that
we
can
get
some
quick
reaction
because,
in
terms
of
people
getting
to
their
bus
stops
early
in
the
morning,
what
can
they
do?
Should
they
be
calling
three
one
one
right
away?
Is
there
any
special
service
in
terms
of
quick
action.
J
Three
one
one
is
definitely
an
option
because
it
does
go
to
our
supervisors,
the
ones
that
are
in
charge
of
those
particular
areas,
understanding
that
so
we
do
still
follow
our
maintenance
quality
standards
and,
through
the
service
delivery,
review,
we're
looking
at
making
improvements
that
still
fall
within
those
standards
and
some
of
those
priority
routes.
If
it
is
on
a
priority
route,
it's
four
hours
after
last
no
fall
and
on
other
routes
that
are
designated
to
classification
to
be
or
more,
it
is
twelve
to
sixteen
hours.
J
So
the
the
real
opportunity
moving
forward
is
through
our
maintenance,
quality
review
standards,
our
standard
review
and
that's,
where
there'll
be
an
opportunity
to
change
those
standards
in
order
to
better
incorporate,
but
definitely
in
the
interim.
If
there
is
a
concern
near
some
of
these
transit
areas,
please
do
call
3-1-1.
M
Thank
you,
as
you
know,
what
I
put
in
for
those
standards
to
be
looked
at,
I
really
appreciate
mr.
woodhouse
being
here
one
of
the
things
that
is
drawn
to
my
attention.
All
the
time
is
the
quality
of
the
clearing
in
terms
of
wheelchair
accessibility.
It's
particularly
dangerous
for
them,
and
this
happens
all
the
time
and
do
you
have
a
standard
that
you
use
so
that
wheelchairs
are
taken
into
consideration?
M
M
So
this
has
been
a
tough
one,
but
I
went
out
this
morning,
went
out
for
my
run
and
sidewalks
are
cleared,
but
ice
is
there
because
it
melted
a
little
bit
and
then
there's
icy
patches
and
I
really
appreciate
having
those
those
ice
breakers
for
sidewalks,
because
they're
going
to
be
needed
over
and
over
again.
But
do
we
look
at
that
in
terms
of
wheelchair
quality,
clearing.
A
Through
the
chairs,
so
currently
what
we
do
have
in
place
is:
we
do
have
those
heat
maps
that
do
identify
those
areas
that
require
priority
or
special
attention
for
a
vulnerable
sector,
and
we
can
work
with
councillors
and
their
residents
to
identify
those
priorities.
Further
review
and
more
analysis
will
be
put
in
place
when
we
do
the
maintenance
quality
standards
review
for
what
you
just
mentioned.
Councillor
around
wheelchair
accessibility.
Thank.
M
J
J
M
J
Don't
have
an
app
that's
in
place
right
now,
so
we
don't
have
an
approximate
cost
to
put
in
the
budget.
We
will
work
through
our
innovation
team
to
see
if
there
is
something
that
we
can
put
into
place
sooner
rather
than
later
again.
I
will
come
back
and
let
you
know
if
we
do
have
a
potential
option.
Thank.
M
N
Very
much
chair,
counselor
Kevin,
asked
some
of
my
questions,
but
just
on
the
on
the
sidewalk
piece
of
it
really
happy
to
have
you
two
as
a
team
I'm,
really
thank
you
for
the
meetings
and
looking
forward
to
working
with
both
of
you
so
I
know.
We're
gonna
see
some
good
change
as
a
result
of
your
leadership
on
the
sidewalk
piece.
So
I
was
happy
to
see
some
of
the
changes
happening
there,
but
give
me
a
practical
real-world
example.
So
I
think
yesterday,
maybe
we're
just
getting
started
right.
N
But
might
you
know
the
I
walked
home
from
City
Hall
last
night
after
meetings
and
took
takes
me
about
40
minutes,
but
I
was
walking
a
lot
of
the
roads
were
plowed,
but
the
sidewalks
were
not
in
the
in
the
old
Ottawa
South
area
and
so
on.
Up
from
a
practical
standpoint,
will
we
be
seeing
those
sidewalks
piled
relatively
at
the
same
time
as
as
our
roads
in
the
morning,
I
recognize
the
snowfall
kind
of
finished
up
or
at
around
5:00
a.m.
N
J
So
currently,
as
I
mentioned,
we
are
still
working
through
our
the
maintenance
quality
standards
that
were
approved
by
council.
What
you're,
suggesting
potentially
to
have
them
run
in
line
with
the
roads
in
all
classifications,
is
an
increase
in
services,
but
what
we're
doing
with
the
24/7
coverage
is
now
we
have
the
ability
to
ensure
that
we
have
coverage
through
the
overnight
hours.
Unfortunately,
with
this
storm,
the
event
ended
early
in
the
morning.
If
it
would
have
ended,
you
know
10
11
o'clock
at
night.
J
O
Thank
You
mr.
chair
I
think
you
get
so
much
for
your
practice
communication
throughout
this
entire
process.
You
guys
have
been
wonderful.
I
know
the
last
year
was
really
challenging
in
the
East
End
Brian
Bruce
and
Matt
did
a
really
really
wonderful
job.
They
were
always
there
24
hours
a
day,
seven
days
a
week
to
help
us
out
with
problem
areas.
I
know
that
that's
not
sustainable
having
you
know
a
counselor
stand
on
a
street
corner
and
say
come
and
clear
this
street
so
I'm
glad
that
we've
come
up
with
an
overall
plan.
O
O
So
in
my
meeting
with
you,
mrs.
Gibbons,
you
mentioned
that
you
would
look
at
ways
to
improve
the
winter
parking
ban
enforcement,
and
you
mentioned
that
today
as
well.
Do
you
mind
elaborating
a
little
bit
or
is
that
a
little
bit
out
of
your
will?
We
have
to
talk
to
Roger
about
that.
Do
you
have
any
further
details
of
what
that
might
look
like?
J
Are
working
very
closely
with
our
colleagues
in
by
law
in
trying
to
better
enforce
the
overnight
parking
bans?
What
that
does
it
helps
it
helps
the
city
ensure
that
our
roadways
are
cleared
more
efficiently
and
on
time,
so
they
have
committed
to
to
helping
us
by
bringing
on
additional
bylaw
officers
in
order
to
help
support
ticketing
these
individuals.
But
what
we're
going
to
do
at
the
front
end
is
we're
going
to
do
more
education.
J
O
It's
great
and
the
communication
that's
coming
out
of
your
department
has
been
fantastic.
You
know
maybe
like
a
video
of
what
the
plow
driver
has
to
go
through
I
mean
last
year,
I
did
a
ride-along
with
one
of
them
for
his
whole
beat
and
my
goodness
the
frustrations
that
they
go
through
some.
Some
people
were
throwing
snowballs
at
them
like
unbelievable.
These
guys
are
out
there
and
gals
are
out
there.
You
know
24/7
working
hard
for
a
city,
and
so
I
guess
getting
that
message
out
is
would
really
be
helpful.
O
That
doesn't
happen
in
carp.
No,
are
there
any
new
infographics
for
a
member
of
the
public
for
members
of
the
public
being
developed
and
considered
that
would
outline
these
changes
to
service
delivery?
That
would
show
the
suburban
rural
and
urban
strategies
and
strategies
for
the
for
weather
events.
So.
J
We
are
currently
working
on
communication
strategy
to
bring
out
to
the
residents
and
to
counselors
that
will
be
coming
forward
very
shortly
in
terms
of
the
strategies
themselves.
That's
something
that
we
will
be
working
on
throughout
the
winter
months.
That's
with
our
pre
event,
meetings
and
our
post
event
meetings
to
develop
what
better
ways
to
manage
infrastructure
within
these
different
community
types.
So
as
we
move
through
the
year,
yes,
we
will
continue
to
bring
out
additional
information,
but
in
terms
of
the
strategies
for
each
of
those
areas,
that's
in
a
development
phase
awesome.
O
Yeah
they're
super
helpful
I
mean
the
one
that
you
guys
developed
last
year
and
put
out
you
know
winter
by
the
numbers
very
helpful,
a
lot
of
positive
feedback
from
people.
Oh
people
didn't
realize
that
you
know
you're
clearing
the
equivalent
of
from
Halifax
to
to
Vancouver
and
I.
Think
back
again,
which
is
you
know,
an
outrageous
amount
of
road
to
be
working
with
so
I
know
that
it
feels
insurmountable
times,
but
I
think
the
strategy
will
really
help.
Can
councilors
be
invited
to
some
of
those
post
event.
O
O
We've
got
a
great
relationship
with
with
trimming
through
yard.
Those
guys
are
incredibly
competent,
so
it
would
be
nice
to
see
kind
of
this
strategy
unfold
a
little
bit
and
how
are
the
heat
maps
going
to
be
developed?
Are
they
going
to
be
from
publicly
made
service
request,
locations
and
service
request
from
last
year
that
came
in,
or
is
that
going
to
be
something?
That's
data?
That's
going
to
be
collected
over
the
course
of
this
winter
through.
A
The
chair,
so
the
heat
maps
we
do
have
in
place
today
are
as
a
result
of
requests,
whether
it
be
through
three
one,
one
or
working
with
counselors
office,
and
their
residents
will
continue
to
build
those
over
this
winter.
As
well
as
we
receive
information
on
where
we
need
to
prioritize
and
pay
special
attention
to
yeah.
O
We
certainly
do
our
best
to
deal
with
some
of
the
iron
issues
and
some
of
the
some
of
the
concrete,
a
continent
concrete,
but
ashphalt
dips
over
the
course
of
the
summertime,
the
roads,
crew,
same
crew,
that
that
do
our
snow
clearing
we're
incredibly
proactive
with
us.
We
we
work
to
kind
of
even
out
some
of
those,
some
of
those
some
of
those
dips
and
some
of
those
irons.
That's
it
a
little
bit
high,
so
you
definitely
have
good
data
from
Ward
one
before
I
must
driving
around
and
end
up
putting
in
the
SRS.
O
G
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
through
you
I,
may
be
a
counselor
lula.
Fauna,
take
a
shift
one
night
and
go
ahead
and
drive
all
these
equipment.
That
will
be
great
and
that
will
be
helpful.
I'm
sure
the
people
at
the
the
stuff
at
the
yard
will
love
that
so
anyway.
Thank
you
very
much
for
the
report
and
the
review
I've
been
a
long
time
waiting
for
it.
G
I
just
have
to
say
a
few
things,
but
I
want
to
thank
you
for
meeting
with
us
ahead
and
then
giving
us
some
stat
and
giving
us
some
information
ahead
of
the
transportation
meeting.
But
I
still
have
some
personal
concern
and
I'm
really
happy
if
one
things
I
like
I'm,
very
happy
to
see
that
you,
finally,
we
get
it,
one
size
doesn't
fit
all,
and
we've
been
talking
about
the
amount
of
participation
sometimes
and
Orleans.
G
G
Only
one
individual
that
servicing
that
for
rural
area,
so
I
do
have
some
concern
about
that.
I,
don't
like
to
see
if
and
also
I
know,
that
some
of
the
that
supervisor
also
still
have
some
urban
or
some
suburb
area
also
he's
looking
after
in
my
case
for
instinct
that
so
the
supervisor
is
looking
after
rural
area,
but
also
looking
after
the
Riverside
south
and
some
areas,
infinity,
Creek
and
I.
Just
I.
Don't
think
this
is
fair
to
have
one
person
serving
the
whole
rural
area.
I,
don't
know
how
you're
going
to
manage
it.
A
Through
the
chairs,
so
thank
you
for
your
question.
Counselor
just
to
clarify
for
the
rural
area,
there
will
be
one
area
manager,
that's
responsible
for
overseeing
that
area.
However,
we'll
have
seven
zone
supervisors,
so
we
have
seven
zones
within
that
rural
area
and
each
of
those
zones
will
have
a
supervisor
that
oversee
their
yard.
So
we
haven't
made
any
changes
this
own
level
going
into
this
season.
There
hasn't
been
any
changes
to
resources
or
equipment
either,
so
nothing
has
changed
in
that
respect
from
a
kind
of
a
service
perspective
going
for
going
forward.
A
G
A
G
You
my
question:
my
next
question
will
be
like:
when
you
did
this
review
and
I
really
I
saw
that
it
was.
We
did
a
quick
review
in
the
last
six
months
or
seven
months.
You've
been
working
on
have,
are
we
gonna
have
a
beat
review?
Is
it
anything
on
the
plan
to
review
the
beats?
Actually
in
each
word,.
G
Also
want
to
give
you
a
compliment
about
the
communication
ahead
of
the
storm.
That's
I
want
a
second,
what
counselor
Lulla
for
saying
that
they
are
very
helpful
and
they
help
our
staff,
but
relating
things
to
the
community
and
throughout
our
internal
messaging
through
our
newsletters
and
our
social
media.
It's
very
good
good
information
for
us
to
know
so
we
can
help
you
so
minimize.
Also
the
call.
So
that's
one
really
positive
things.
I
want
to
give
you
and
thank
you
for
I'm,
not
sure.
If
I
really
mr.
G
chair
I,
have
an
issue
and
beats
in
my
ward
and
I:
don't
I'll
gonna,
take
it
offline
I,
don't
want
to
keep
it,
but
do
I
need
a
inquiry
to
put
an
inquiry
about.
Looking
about
my
beats
in
my
world
and
get
back
to
me
about
each
each
beats
and
come
back
to
me.
I
need
to
know
how
they've
been
serviced
by
and
I
need
to
know
if
they're
city
staff
or
contracting.
B
C
C
Can
we
expect
that,
within
this
mandate
of
counsel,
the
mqs
will
be
implemented
and
budgeted
for
so
I
guess
that's
what
I
concern
is
that
it
feels
like
it
slips
into
the
next
term,
when,
when
I
understand,
there's
a
lot
of
work
to
do
around
the
mqs
but
want
to
make
sure
that
winter,
I
guess
21
to
spring
2020
2022,
we
would
have
it
in
place.
I
also.
C
I
want
to
know
so
on
community
Protective
Services.
We
have
a
bylaw
review
process,
that's
underway,
one
of
which
is
our
private
contractor
on
private
property.
Snow,
plows
and
I
want
to
know
from
you.
What
is
your
involvement
in
that
process?
Because,
when
I
speak
to
the
team,
they
tell
me
we
go
and
do
the
sidewalk
we
go
and
do
the
street
and
then
boom
the
private
contractor
goes
and
plows
a
private
roadway,
and
then
it's
like,
if
we
didn't
pass,
we
get
calls
back.
So
how
do
we
I
understand
you
work
with
by
law?
C
But
what?
What
is
your
involvement
in
the
bylaw
review,
because
I
have
an
easy
fix?
Dashcam
for
all
private
contractors,
in
my
mind,
in
my
mind,
committees
gone
are
really,
interestingly,
we're
having
a
debate
on
Friday
relating
to
short-term
rentals
because
we're
taking
on
the
pressure
now
of
those
short-term
rentals,
a
lot
of
calls
to
by
law.
Every
time
our
law
goes
out,
it's
$300.
So
why
do
we
keep
absorbing
private
pressures
in
the
public
environment
and
it
impacts
our
service
levels?
So
I
just
want
to
know
how
you're
involved
in
that
review
process.
J
We
are,
we
have
been
in
communications
with
their
counterparts
and
by
law,
and
we
will
be
a
part
of
that
bylaw
review
I,
do
like
your
suggestion
and
I
know:
we've
spoken
about
it
before,
where
your
dash
cams
can
be
incorporated
into
that.
That's
something.
That'll
have
to
be
discussed,
obviously
through
the
bylaw
review,
but
we
do
intend
on
having
those
open
communications,
because
they're
very
well
aware
of
the
same
concerns
that
you
are
in
terms
of
private
contractors
disposing
their
snow
on
the
city's
right-of-way.
Okay,.
C
And
then
my
final
bucket
is
around
staffing,
so
there's
a
lot
of
things
that
we
need
to
work
through
in
terms
of
policy
and
the
fundamentals
through
mqs
I,
get
that
I'm
I
and
sure
we
can
always
put
more
budget
and
I.
Think
you're,
seeing
through
this
propose
the
proposal
that
we'll
be
looking
at
next
next
committee
that
there's
a
bit
more
money
but
I'm
concerned
that
we
have
equipment.
We
have
beats.
And
yet
we
struggle
with
staffing
this.
C
The
the
the
resource,
because
we're
already
at
our
first
snowstorm
and
not
all
the
equipment,
is
out
and
and
that's
my
challenge
and
in
that
environment.
I
also
feel
that,
because
an
operator
out
of
the
sidewalk
plows,
if
you
do
Road
plows,
you
get
more
money
per
hour.
So
it
feels
like
a
promotion
to
not
do
sidewalk
plows.
So
how
do
we
create
an
environment
where,
as
soon
as
there's
a
gap
in
staffing,
it
goes
to
sidewalk?
Issues
like
the
sidewalk
issues
are
felt
directly?
What
what
in
your
plan?
C
A
Through
the
chairs
service,
through
our
service
delivery
review
process,
we
did
align
resources
and
equipment
to
each
one
of
our
beats
that
we
have
on
a
road
network
and
sidewalk
network
in
cases
where
we
do
need
to
move
staff
around
and
up
to
larger
pieces
of
equipment.
We
do
leverage
our
casual
labor
pool
to
come
in
and
operate
sidewalk
equipment
so
that
we
don't
have
that
gap
as
far
as
not
having
a
resource
with
the
availability
of
equipment
on
a
specific
route
or
beach.
C
Maybe
just
the
other
piece
to
this
that
I
find
concerning
us.
We
always
say
we're
one
city,
one
team
I
hear
it
through
the
management
structure.
We've
been
all
ingrained
with
that
goal,
but
then
I
feel
pockets.
I
I
don't
want
I.
Don't
want
to
hear
that
you
know
in
George's
area.
We're
not
I
want
the
entire
team
that,
if
we're
done
in
my
area
go
and
support,
George
and
I
feel
that
we
work
in
pockets
and
then
there's
some.
C
It's
like
you're
only
as
strong
as
your
weakest
link,
and
it
feels
that
gets
these
teams
are
competitive
amongst
each
other.
Yet
they
they
should
share
the
allocation.
Yes,
they
have
the
base
work
and,
yes,
we
have
to
to
make
sure
that
the
work
is
done
in
the
area
and
and
but
once
if
a
team
is
wave
lagging
behind,
we
need
to
reallocate
those
resources
just
to
support
the
one
city
vision
through.
J
The
chair,
thank
you
for
that.
It's
actually
a
culture
change
that
I'm
trying
to
instill
within
our
work
groups,
not
only
within
roads
and
parking
services,
but
we've
also
recently
pulled
in
our
Parks
team
to
talk
about
particularly
this
past
winter
events.
So
there
is
an
intent
moving
forward
that
we
share
that
culture
amongst
our
team
that
if
there
is
resources
required
elsewhere
in
the
city,
it's
a
simple
pick
up
the
phone
and
ask
and
that
drives
down
to
empowering
our
supervisors
in
making
the
right
decisions
for
the
conditions
that
they
are
seeing.
J
L
L
Service
standards,
so
we
know
that,
after
a
storm
depending
on
the
classification
of
the
streets,
it
should
be
plowed
within
X
number
of
hours.
How
do
you
monitor
service
throughout
a
season
so
that
there
isn't
an
area
that
is
for
whatever
reason,
receiving
I
guess
inferior
service
to
others?
We
all
get
complaints
and
issues
from
residents
that
their
street
seems
to
be
the
last
one
in
the
city
to
be
plowed,
that's
sort
of
a
common
concern,
but
seriously,
though,
how
do
you,
the
management,
assess
service
standards.
A
L
And
can
you
clarify
when
an
overnight
parking
ban
gets
initiated?
I
was
surprised
that
we
did
not
have
one
earlier
this
week,
some
of
my
chronic
collectors
had
cars
parked
on
them
and
the
street
is
a
mess.
It's
an
absolute
mess
because
Kersh
were
parked.
The
plow
went
by
the
park,
cars
have
since
moved
on
and
the
street
needs
additional
service
and
we
talked
about
greater
enforcement
this
year.
L
J
Through
the
chair,
so
particularly
with
this
past
event,
the
initial
expectations
were
in
the
amount
of
five
to
ten
centimeters.
So
we
definitely
look
at
the
weather
pattern
and
where
it's
tracking,
when
making
determinations
as
such.
Typically
when
we
get
into
more
severe
weather
events,
this
did
end
up
being
record
snowfall.
We
will
consider
it
2025,
centimeters
and
beyond,
to
ensure
that
we
have
the
ability
to
clear
the
roads.
J
We
are
going
to
be
putting
some
processes
in
place
based
on
our
new
boundaries
as
well
on
how
better
to
to
call
the
overnight
parking
bans
and
that's
something
we're
going
to
work
closely
with
our
supervisors,
who
are
the
ones
that
are
out
there
living
and
breathing
that
work
so
they'll
help
us
make
that
determination.
But
again,
with
this
past
storm
it
did.
The
storm
was
tracking
more
south
of
us.
It
did
take
a
turn
by
around
one
o'clock
in
the
morning,
which
I
think
changed
the
situation,
and
we
did
see
record
snowfalls
yeah.
L
I
think
we
talked
about
the
need
for
I
think
greater
consistency
about
when
an
overnight
parking
ban
is
called,
and
we
need
to
really
agree
on
the
parameters
now,
so
that
we
don't
mid-year
change
them
and
people
who
maybe
were
parking
on
the
street
are
now
in
a
situation
where
they're
getting
tickets.
All
that
to
say
we
need
to
not
plow
streets
multiple
times
and
again,
you're.
Aware
of
that
and
I
just
think
that,
if
we're
even
in
that
ballpark
of
getting
the
minimum
amount,
that's
needed
to
plow,
you
should
consider
calling
that
band.
L
I
know
it
inconvenience
some
people,
particularly
in
some
parts
of
town,
but
we
have
messy
streets
and
once
they're
messy
it's
very
hard
to
get
back
on
track
and
I'll.
Just
note
this
frequent
use
of
the
word
record.
It
was
the
most
snow
for
that
particular
calendar
day,
but
a
by
no
means
was
it
a
record
snowfall
for
the
City
of
Ottawa
for
that
day
in
history
that
probably
exceeded
the
amount
of
snow,
but
let's
not
over
use
the
word
record
all
the
time.
Thank
you.
Q
Thank
You
chair,
thank
you
for
the
presentation
and
for
the
pre
meetings.
It's
very
helpful
and
I
wish
you
luck
this
season.
Lila
and
I'll.
Do
what
I
can
to
help
you
a
couple
of
questions,
the
I'm
wondering
about
the
overnight
ban,
and
is
it
long
enough,
especially
in
the
burbs,
because
by
the
time
you
deploy
your
vehicles
out
there?
What
I
saw
a
lot
of
last
year
was
snowplows
coming
into
the
area
at
8
a.m.
and
the
bands
already
over.
Q
So
people
moved
their
cars
back
out
on
the
street,
and
yet
we
inconvenience
them
all
night
that
they
had
to
find
alternate
parking
when
we
didn't
do
anything,
so
it's
frustrating
for
them,
so
that
that's
one
question
for
you:
is
there
any
possibility
of
extending
it
to
both
sides
of
it?
If
you
want
to
address
that
and
then
all
I
of
another
piece
so.
J
Through
the
chair,
we
are
actually
looking
at
different
strategies
because
we
did
hear
the
concerns
both
from
counselors
and
residents
last
year
that,
during
some
of
the
overnight
parking
bans,
roads
weren't
cleared.
So
we
are
looking
at
different
strategies
on
how
to
manage
that.
Do
we
extend
time?
Do
we
actually
put
zones
in
place
so
that
we
know
that
certain
areas,
the
city
will
be
maintained
during
those
hours?
J
Q
Q
My
concern
is
just
as
we
just
experienced
this
week.
December
1st
may
be
too
late,
so
I'm
wondering
if
we
want
to
move
that
date
ahead,
a
even
if
it
doesn't
snow.
At
least
it
gets
people
thinking
about
alternate
arrangements,
but
what
I
saw
yesterday
morning,
for
example,
was
a
number
of
cars
sitting
out
on.
Q
What's
a
pretty
big
collector
piece
in
my
community,
it's
one
of
the
exits
out
of
a
community
and
there
was
cars
left
overnight
and
they
were
still
there
like
a
mid
morning,
so
the
plows
were
going
around
them
and
we
were
already
starting
to
build
up
those
snow
banks
that
take
away
basically
the
whole
lane
of
traffic.
What's
those
cars
are
moved,
is
there
any
chance?
We
could
move
that
date
ahead.
So.
J
Through
the
chair
I,
thank
you.
That
is
one
of
the
best
practices
that
we
have
been
using
over
the
past
few
years
in
terms
of
limiting
where
people
can
parked
her
in
the
winter
months.
We're
definitely
have
seen
some
change
in
the
weather,
conditions
and
timing,
particularly
our
first
snowfall.
So
we
are
considering
shifting
operations
in
the
entirety
back
by
week
or
two
so
looking
more
at
November
1st
as
trigger
points
versus
December
1st.
So
we
are
looking
at
that
through
this
season
and
into
next
season
for
sure.
Q
Great
now,
another
piece
that
some
of
my
colleagues
touched
on
was
the
bylaw
deployment.
In
particular,
they
talked
about
the
overnight
ban.
I
know
there
was
one
example
last
year
where
we
worked
with
by
law
to
get
them
to
come
out
during
an
overnight
been
because
they
hadn't
really
done
not
in
a
while
I
think,
and
there
was
over
100
tickets
issued
in
the
one
night.
We
are
multiple
cars
that
were
towed
away
because
they've
been
sitting
there
for
weeks
and
in
some
cases
months
where
nobody
on
the
street
even
knew
who
owned
those
cars.
Q
So
I'm
hoping
this
year
that
you're
working
with
by
law
to
proactively
get
them
out
there
and
use
the
tools
they
have
today
to
start
clearing
those
streets
ahead
of
time.
So
when
you
get
the
first
big
storm,
those
abandoned
vehicles
are
gone,
and
so
we
can
start
preparing
the
roads
ahead
of
time.
Is
there
any
possibility
that,
by
level
up
their
resources
to
support
what
your
drivers
are
reporting
and
residents
out.
J
Q
You're
gonna
get
broad
your
heads
up
that
I'll
be
on
his
case,
if
they're
not
out
there
doing
that.
The
other
part
I
want
to
ask
about
is
ice
ruts,
one
of
the
things
we
saw
and
I'm
sure
this
was
probably
around
the
city
in
suburban
areas
or
residential
areas.
Where,
because
we
have
this
standard
of
snowpack
on
the
residential
streets,
we
had
the
experience
last
year
of
that
snowpack
building
up
and
getting
very
very
hard.
Q
And
then,
when
we
started
to
get
some
warm
days,
big
potholes
were
created
in
the
ice,
where
I
had
some
streets
in
my
neighborhood
that
I
went
over
to
look
at
and
there
was
mufflers
and
the
snow
banks
because
it
had
pulled
it
right
off
the
car.
The
hole
was
that
deep
I
know
a
staff
came
in
after
the
fact
and
tried
to
deal
with
it
with
graders
and
and
different
tools
like
that
I'm
hoping
this
year.
Q
We're
gonna
be
a
lot
more
proactive
about
that,
so
that
if
we
get
the
chance
to
widen
these
I
guess
class,
5
streets
or
suburban
streets,
you
know
in
between
snowfalls.
If
we
get
a
chance
to
get
out
there
and
widen
that
Street
back
out,
it
would
help
a
lot
because
we
can't
move
on
down
to
one
lane.
It
just
creates
too
much
problems
and
forces.
If
there's
a
rut,
it
forces
every
car
into
that
rut.
A
Through
the
chairs,
so
thank
you
for
your
question.
Councilor
part
of
the
deployment
plans
and
strategies
we're
putting
in
place
as
we
are
empowering
supervisors
within
their
local
areas
to
make
decisions
on
deployment
plans
and
the
timing
of
when
they
deploy,
which
we
would
believe
will
will
help
with
that
very
instant,
an
issue
that
we
had
last
winter
season
and
with
the
rutting
on
the
residential
streets.
So.
Q
A
B
B
B
Okay,
so
give
me
one
second,
as
I
have
to
reorder
the
the
items
that
we
added
at
the
beginning,
so
we
have
an
IP
d,
Bronson
Avenue
and
Raven
Road
transit
priority
improvements,
environmental
assessment
study,
councillor
Menard,
has
two
very
quick
questions
very
quickly
on
this
chair.
Just
one.
Second,
okay
is
someone
from
Bronson
out,
and
here
we
go.
B
N
Whereas
this
one-
and
we
say
it
in
the
report-
calling
University
has
been
actively
involved
in
full
support
of
the
project.
The
endeavor
means
transit
service
for
students.
The
staff
will
be
faster,
more
reliable,
with
less
intrusion
of
buses
on
the
internal
campus
roads.
I
completely
agree
that
that
assessment
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that's
maintained
afterwards
and
that
we
we
write
it
in
we're
paying
for
this
road
on
Carlton's
campus
and
then
delivering
it
to
them
afterwards.
N
P
Richard
Thank
You
Council
for
the
question,
and
yes,
we
we
had
this
discussion
earlier.
The
I
understand
the
agreement
does
not
address
what
happens
after
phase
two
is
in
service.
It
is
a
private
road,
so
Carleton
University
will
have
to
go
through
a
process.
If
they
will
like
to
use
that
road
in
a
different
way,
it
is
planned
to
be
a
transit
access
after
the
phase.
Two
is
in
service
because
it
provides
efficiencies
for
transient
accessing
the
University
I.
N
Appreciate
that
is
there
nothing
we
can
write
in
within
the
project
project
agreement
or
within
the
environmental
assessment
that
says
afterwards.
The
municipality
intends
that
this
be
a
transit
priority,
Road
that
we
don't
foresee
changes.
We
don't
want
to
see
for
changes
in
the
future
to
change
it
from
that.
P
N
You
could
please
take
it
as
direction
that
that's
that's
the
that's
the
wish
of
the
local
councillor
and
I
know.
Students
also
are
hoping
for
that
as
well,
given
the
the
problems
with
transit
priority
now
on
the
site
and
what
they've
experienced
with
this
start
of
this
school
year.
I
know
that
they're
they're,
looking
forward
to
having
that
remain
a
transit
priority
Road
on
campus,
so
I
appreciate
you.
Thank
you,
okay.
Thank
you.
B
C
So
wily
I
believer.
So
my
question
is
following
a
councillor.
You
please
inquiry
and
the
response
provided
by
staff
and
it's
very
specific
to
on
roads.
I,
don't
care
how
new
or
old
they
are,
but
you've
staff
in
the
response.
I've,
provided
it
very
clear.
You
say
when
there
is
a
road
that
is
four
years
or
less,
we
will
tie
the
cracks
I
wondering.
Why
did
we
provide
a
timeline
to
that
and
I
I
used
to
see
a
lot
of
tars
on
cracks
on
streets
across
the
city?
C
H
After
a
road
is
resurfaced
or
built,
you'll,
typically
what
you
may
or
may
not
get
fracture
cracking
that's
due
to
vehicle
loading.
It
typically
will
show
up
in
the
first
few
years,
up
to
four
years,
crack
ceilings
used
those
very
hairline,
fine
cracks
to
make
sure
that
the
moisture
stays
out
of
those
cracks.
So
they
don't
become
bigger
problems
in
the
future.
After
four
years,
when
you
do
get
issues
with
a
road
you
it's
too
late,
then
to
use
crack
sealing.
You
have
to
go
to
an
asphalt
application.
C
H
Just
to
be
clear,
chair
the
because
the
it's
the
type
of
fracture
that
you're
seeing
so
it's
a
very
fine
fracture
that
will
typically
show
up
in
the
first
four
years
of
the
road.
After
that,
you
typically
will
see
larger
fractures,
where
the
road
is
starting
to
disintegrate,
maybe
to
miss.
Do
close
could
add
to
that.
P
So
it
doesn't
mean,
threw
a
chair.
Sorry,
it
doesn't
mean
that
we
do
not
deal
with
other
deficiencies,
that
a
vote
would
show
the
specific
answer
in
the
rip
and
to
the
inquiry
dull,
with
cracks
ceiling
for
reflecting
cracking.
So
it's
a
program
that
we
have
in
place
so
after
between
one
to
four
years.
We
monitor
the
rows
that
were
recently
every
surface
and
we
deal
with
that
minor
fine
cracking
that
appears
usually
between
one
and
four
years
after
four
years.
P
C
Not
asking
that
question
forget
the
new
infrastructure
forget
the
four-year
window
in
areas
of
the
city
where
the
infrastructure
is
older
than
four
years,
where
we
recognize
there's
Crocs
and
I'm
talking
like
from.
Sometimes
they
go
from
one
end
to
the
street,
to
the
other,
where
there's
curbs
no
curbs
depending
on
urban
rural
areas.
C
Why
don't
we
see
as
much
tar
sealant
as
we
used
to
we
used
to
see
crews
tape
and
drop
the
the
tar
in
the
in
the
in
the
road
we're
not
seeing
that
anymore
and
I
want
I
wondered
why
and
it
I
guess
we
got
caught
up
in
the
new
infrastructure
I'm
out
of
the
new
infrastructure
conversation
really
on
on
the
maintenance
side
of
things.
Why
aren't
we
doing
it?
Yeah
I
think
I.
H
B
B
M
M
It's
very
interesting
because
recently
at
a
community
meeting
and
they
Ward
the
MP
for
Ottawa
West
Nepean,
stated
her
enthusiasm
and
support
for
the
Prince
of
Wales
bridge
becoming
available
for
LRT,
and
she
stated
that
there
is
a
caucus
of
a
national
capital
caucus
of
MPs
who
share
this
enthusiasm.
I
just
didn't
see
that
in
this
report,
I
want
to
know
what
the
ongoing
talks
are
with
the
federal
government,
because
if
there
are
local
MPs
on
both
sides
of
the
river
who
support
this
effort,
why
is
it
being
delayed?
M
So
much
I
think
that
it's
a
very
passionate
issue
for
many
people
here
in
Ottawa.
They
see
that
bridge
and
it's
not
in
great
shape.
Yet
it's
an
excellent
opportunity
to
increase
transit
with
our
neighbors
across
the
river
that
they
share
our
roads
to
so
it
helps
us
when
I
bike
to
work
and
I'm.
Looking
at
all
those
cars
coming,
the
other
way,
I'd
say
about
70%
of
them
are
from
the
Quebec
side
and
they
have
no
choice
but
to
drive
because
there's
very
little
transit
options
for
them.
M
D
Chair
the
our
response
is
based
on
what's
in
the
TMP
and
what
the
council
has
approved,
I'm,
not
privy
to
some
of
the
political
discussions.
So
this
is
in
our
long-term
plan
and
you
were
asking
about
it
came
up.
This
issue
came
up
because
of
the
sto
study
and
I've
had
discussions
with
councilor
flurry
and
he's.
You
know,
he's
asked
that
the
the
stos
consultant
and
their
team
come
to
committee
to
talk
about
their
study
and
they
will
do
that
in
the
spring.
They're,
not
ready
yet
to
present
to
us.
D
M
Well,
there's
a
lot
of
people
that
are
commuting
that
are
heading
west
for
sure,
and
this
bridge
is
something
that
would
connect
to
the
LRT
and
with
the
extension
of
stage
two
and
eventually
stage
three
that
would
take
them
to
Kannadigas.
A
lot
of
these
people
are
going
to
the
high
tech
jobs
in
Canada
and
the
West
End,
and
it's
you
know
we're
would
and
D&E.
We
already
know
the
parking
situation
there.
M
That's
in
bei
word
at
Moody
Drive
and
it's
pretty
clear
that
we
need
more
transit
for
both
sides
of
the
river
and
we
need
to
work
together
when
I
heard
this
being
stated
at
a
public
meeting
in
bei
word
that
the
MP
is
talking
about
a
total
commitment
on
this.
It
doesn't
strike
me
that
it's
getting
you
know
that
it's
coming
in,
you
know
we're
on
our
radar.
We're
not
it's
not
being
reflected
here
and
I
recognize
that
you're
you're,
considering
at
a
political
decision.
But
from
what
I
understand.
This
is
a
commitment.
L
M
They
are,
this
is
a
member
of
government
who
is
saying
that
this
is
something
that
is
enthusiastically
it's
supported,
so
I
wanted
to
see
how
that
was
reflected
and
it
just
contradicted
what
the
mayor
had
it
said.
Is
there?
Is
there
future
conversations
at
the
federal
level?
You
were
talking
about
sto,
but
what
conversations
are
there
at
the
federal
level
for
this
council.
B
D
Status
of
the
use
of
the
bridge
it
is
identified
for
future.
It's
not
part
of
the
affordable
plan,
but
we
are
doing
the
TMP
review
or
doing
the
update.
So
we
will
revisit
these
issues,
but
it
was
an
affordability
issue
at
the
time
before
in
the
2013.
So
this
was
not
part
of
the
affordable
plan,
but
it's
been
still
identified
intact
as
a
future
longer-term
need
so.
B
R
Thank
you,
chair,
I'm,
glad
to
hear
miss
cheese
answer
because
I
think
it's
essential
that
we
keep
the
options
open
for
use
of
this
bridge
in
the
TMP.
The
bridge
and
rails
were
in
good
condition
when
they
were
acquired
by
the
city.
The
piers
certainly
need
work,
but
they've
been
there
since
1881
and
carrying
very
heavy
loads
until
2001.
R
It's
essential
that
the
rails
not
be
removed,
even
if
a
recreational
use
is
contemplated.
That
could
be
done.
The
way
that
Gaston
did
for
the
same
age
bridge
over
the
gatineau
River,
where
it
was
possible
to
pay
between
the
tracks
and,
in
addition,
cantilever
a
pathway
at
the
side
of
the
bridge
so
that
it
was
not
prevented.
R
If,
if
required
and
I,
don't
see
that
this
keeping
this
bridge
for
possible
transit
extension
of
the
Trillium
Line
is
in
conflict
with
stos
plans
for
light
rail
from
Aylmer
to
downtown
Hall
in
Ottawa,
because
those
certainly
would
be
using
other
bridges
whether
portage
show
do
or
rebuild
Alexandra
it
doesn't
really
matter.
But
the
thing
is
that
sto
riders
who
could
come
across
the
Prince
of
Wales
Bridge
would
mostly
be
travelling
west
or
south
and
I
don't
agree
with
the
idea
that
the
Bayview
station
and
trains
could
not
handle
that
kind
of
traffic.
R
R
It
only
has
escalators
in
one
direction
and
I
think
that
once
we
see
heavy
rush
hour
traffic
in
both
directions
at
Lyon,
we're
probably
going
to
have
bigger
problems
there
than
have
been
mentioned
by
the
mayor
or
others
in
connection
with
potential
transfers
at
Bayview,
Capital
Railway
currently
owns
the
track
over
the
Burchett
is
on.
It
is
a
railway
still
and
they
have
the
technology.
R
Should
it
be
decided
at
some
point
in
the
future
to
use
it
because
it's
certainly
suitable
for
the
type
of
diesel
light
rail
operation
with
a
single
track
and
passing
sidings,
which
is
contemplated
anyway
for
the
foreseeable
future
future
for
the
Trillium
Line.
I
will
also
mention
that
the
NCC
into
provincial
transit
study,
which
was
conducted
with
the
participation
of
the
cities
of
Gatineau
in
Ottawa,
did
recommend
that
the
bridge
be
retained
for
future
transit
use.
R
C
Very
quickly,
yes,
mr.
genes,
I
I
happen
to
agree
with
you
on
Bayview.
So
let's
wait
for
a
sales
consultant
to
come
to
this
committee
present
what
the
city's
provided,
because
I'm
also
concerned
as
terms
of
what
OC
and
the
city's
provided
to
the
consultant.
But
that
will
all
be
aired
when
the
the
consultant
comes
to
this
committee.
B
J
B
N
D
Sure,
but
for
the
first
question
as
to
the
status,
this
is
just
to
inform
council
that
there
was
an
informal
notification
that
they
were,
that
Zn
would
be
dispensing
with
us,
but
there's
no
formal
notice
of
discontinuance
just
yet.
So
we
have
to
wait
for
that.
So
this
is
just
to
inform
you
that
something's
happening,
and
maybe
we
don't
know
when,
but
that
staff
would
be
ready
to
go
out
and
and
negotiate.
So
that's
one
and
a
further
uses.
We
don't
identify
anything
yet,
but
it's
a
transport,
a
twit,
be
a
transportation
corridor.
D
N
Q
This
corridor-
it's
been
I,
know,
council,
neighbor
now,
maybe
just
know
the
history
of
it,
but
right
now
is
still
owned
by
the
CN,
am
I
correct.
Their
bed
I
took
the
trach
out
and
now
the
CN
Lisa
R
out
to
a
group
user
group
as
we
speak.
So
the
only
thing
we
have-
and
we
had
asked
all
along
for
this
corridor
to
maintain
within
this
city,
because
it
is
in
our
master
transportation
plan
for
future
use
and
that's
still
on
a
record.
We
need
to
discuss
it
in
our
master
transportation
plan.
Q
D
Corridor
is
not
identified
in
our
rapid
transit
network
currently
in
the
2013
TM
P,
but
as
we
noted
in
the
the
IPD
that
you
know
long
linear
corridors
like
this,
don't
come
up
very
often,
so
we
would
you
know
the
first
thing
is
try
to
protect
to
keep
it
and
then
from
well.
We
would
also
analyze.
Yes,
we
do
see
it
from
our
network.
We
do
see
that
this
does
provide
some
transportation
benefits
when
and
how
would
be
something
that
we
would
need
to
look
through
as
part
of
our
TMP
review?
Okay,.
R
Yes,
thank
you
again,
I'm
strongly
in
support
of
the
city
acquiring
this
when
the
opportunity
arises,
in
particular,
with
the
track
and
any
sightings,
not
just
the
land.
This
line
was
built
to
high
standards
for
transcontinental
trains.
Most
of
the
roads
along
the
route
are
already
great
separated.
This
was
done
at
federal
expense.
There
are
at
least
12
such
road
crossings.
Most
of
the
route
is
suitable
for
double
track
and
there
were
already
some
passing
tracks.
R
It
was
originally
fully
signaled
by
the
NCC
back
in
the
1950s,
though
the
signalling
is
different
on
parts
of
the
line
except
where
it
meets
other
other
rail
lines.
It
was
studied
in
the
East
West
LRT
EA
in
2006,
but
that
study
was
suspended
without
a
report
when
the
north-south
LRT
was
cancelled
and
the
subsequent
EA
only
looked
at
four
options
for
a
tunnel
under
downtown
and
did
not
keep
open
the
consideration
of
the
Cross
City
rail
corridor.
It
links
several
business
parks
across
the
region.
R
It
potentially
links
all
of
the
stage
to
light
rail
and
and
transit
way
routes
that
that
go
to
the
south.
It's
potentially-
and
this
has
been
discussed-
part
of
a
potential
commuter
rail
service
going
as
far
east
as
Castleman
and
as
far
west
as
on
prior,
it
was
recommended
in
the
2007
there's
transportation
study
that
it
be
retained
as
as
part
of
the
transportation
system.
R
It
is
compatible
with
the
technology
that
the
city
already
has
in
capital
railway
of
diesel
light
rail
with
with
passing
tracks,
although
it
does
meet
via
rail
at
one
and
possibly
two
points.
The
US
Federal
Railroad
Administration
is
in
the
process
of
changing
the
rules
to
allow
lighter-weight
passenger
trains
on
shared
tracks,
so
the
old
prohibition
of
which
would
have
created
problems
for
the
portion
of
connecting
Milwaukee
and
beach
berg
lines
across
the
Rideau
River.
That
problem
might
in
fact
go
away
anyway.
R
N
Very
much
chair
in
terms
of
the
the
cost-benefit
of
this
seems
to
me:
there's
there's
a
huge
impetus
to
get
rail
to
you
know
the
West
End
look
at
the
stage
3
LRT.
Can
you
can
you
give
me
more
information
from
you've
analyzed
in
terms
of
potential
cost
benefit
in
terms
of
cost-effective
transit
investment
in
Ottawa
to
the
extension
of
what
we're
looking
at
stage
3
as
a
potential
versus
this
option.
R
Yes,
counselor
and
and
through
uture
back
in
1996,
the
city
looked
at
both
commuter
rail
and
and
light
rail
options
for
the
future,
and
the
City
Council
decided.
The
Regional
Council
then
decided
in
1996
to
proceed
with
light
rail
transit,
rapid
transit
and
not
commuter
rail,
but
other
cities
have
made
other
decisions
and
most
other
cities.
Every
other
city
in
Canada
that
has
light
rail
or
even
metros,
also
has
commuter
rail
and
at
some
point
there
is
an
opportunity
to
combine
that,
particularly
since
we've
made
the
decision
to
retain
that
technology
for
the
Canadian
line.
R
So
we've
looked
at
a
variety
of
options
for
providing
a
commuter
rail
type
of
service
in
from
Canada,
possibly
farther
beyond.
This
rail
line
is
connected
to
another
line,
already
owned
by
the
city,
the
cartel
and
paga
city,
which
goes
out
through
carb
to
the
outskirts
upon
prior
and
similarly,
there
have
been
extensive
discussions
with
Via
Rail
in
the
past
about
the
possibility
of
committee
rail
service
coming
in
from
Castleman
limos
cause
bad
Springs.
R
B
Q
But
I
think
I
don't
want
to
clarify
something.
We
heard
here
time
and
time
again.
So
there's
two
rail
line,
one
from
water
to
beach,
Berg
and
it's
the
tracks
been
off
the
line
and
that's
what
we
wanna
talk
about,
but
there's
another
existing
line
still
operate
once
a
week
prior.
So
we
dynamics
there.
Two
together
am
I,
correct
and
they're.
Both
owned
by
the
one
to
run
prior
is
owned
by
the
city
and
leased
out
to
a
private.