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From YouTube: Transportation Committee - March 7, 2018
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Transportation Committee meeting – March 7, 2018 – Audio Stream
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A
Two
members
of
the
City
of
Ottawa
traffic
management
operations
group,
as
well
as
to
the
traffic
incident
management
group
last
week,
and
the
feedback
we
received
was
was
very
favorable.
So
then
the
question
was
and
put
forward
to
us
at
traffic
is
an
incident
management
group.
Why
we
couldn't
do
the
same
thing
in
the
eastbound
direction,
as
opposed
to
these
lengthy
detours?
A
That
would
require
or
would
be
required
for
the
traffic
detouring.
So
we've
looked
at
using
this,
it
was.
It
was
part
of
a
conceptual
detour
as
part
of
the
staging.
At
the
time
we
looked
at
this,
the
south
east
ramp
was
closed.
It
was
going
to
be
remained
closed
for
the
duration
of
the
Nicholas
Street
construction.
At
this
point
in
time
it
will
be
open.
So
we
now
suggest
that
the
traffic
comes
off
by
by
South
ramp
onto
Lee's,
Avenue
and
then
get
back
on
to
the
417
eastbound
via
the
southeast
rap.
A
So
this
concludes
the
actual
Nicolas
part
of
a
project.
We
have
one
slide
as
part
of
the
Nicolas
project.
There
is
another
project,
as
you
can
see
the
highway
17
for
17,
resurfacing
and
repurposing
of
the
transit
lanes
from
Nicolas
to
the
odd
to
the
Audubon
Road
174
split.
It
is
going
to
be
bundled
in
together
with
the
Nicholas
Street
project.
A
So
currently
the
portions
of
the
fourth
lane
widening
x',
are
exclusively
being
used
by
transit
as
reserved
by
the
bus
lanes
and
they're,
also
being
used
for
cue,
jump
lanes
and
direct
entry,
and
it
will
include
a
nightly
Lane
and
ramp
closures
along
the
417.
In
order
to
do
the
resurfacing
and
the
line
painting,
we
will
have
to
close
the
Riverside
vania
north
and
south
terminals,
as
well
as
a
similar
South
Terminal
during
off-peak,
in
order
to
take
care
of
the
transit
priority
lanes
and
signals.
A
Ladies
and
gentlemen,
if
you
have
any
other
questions,
both
mr.
Linden
Smith
and
myself
are
available
at
these
coordinates,
so
please
do
not
hesitate
to
contact
us.
Thank
you
very
much
for
your
time.
Thank
you.
I
think
there
actually
may
be
issue
questions
right
here
today,
so
counselor
41st,
Fall,
Break,
Alcon,
Turner
Shenko
mr.
Chen,
and
thank
you
for
the
presentation.
A
Maybe
just
as
a
starting
point
can
you
reassure
us
that
the
work
would
not
proceed
until
the
opening
of
light
rail
I
know
that
for
us
that
corridor
is
certainly
one
that
is
very
important
not
only
for
access
into
the
city's
core,
but
also
for
transit
operations.
So
we're
expecting
you
know,
sometime
in
2018,
to
open,
like
they
land
but
we'd
love
to
hear
from
you
on.
If
there
were
further
delays,
what
that
would
mean
for
your
project?
A
That's
correct.
We
are
very
mindful
of
the
need
for
buses
to
be
running
on
the
Queens,
whereas
they
are
now
so
we've
will
structure
work
so
there's
no
conflict.
Pardon
me
no
conflict
Lata
and
the
work
we
would
undertake
in
autumn
would
be
work
that
could
proceed
while
the
buses
are
still
using
those
lanes
excellent.
These
are
questions
that
I
submitted
because
I
there's
a
consultation,
hosted
a
few
Lou
I
guess
a
few
weeks
ago
and
I
submitted
those
comments
and
I
never
got
a
follow-up
and
I'm
I'm
intrigued
by
a
couple
of
points.
A
It
looks
like
an
on-ramp,
but
there's
a
sidewalk,
that's
available,
so
I'd
ask
for
a
physical
measure
to
be
implemented
at
near
near
Laurier,
just
so
that
we
can
just
so
that
we
can
protect
the
access
to
each
other
access.
Only
yeah
I
believe
that
intersection
would
fall
strictly
within
the
city's
jurisdiction,
but
if
there's
any
impacts
with
our
project
that
we
would
certainly
work
with
the
city,
were
they
with
any
initiative
to
address
that
issue?
A
So
I
believe
it
would
be
mostly
a
city
issue,
but
if
there's
any
MTO
involvement
will
will
assist
the
city,
if
we
can
so
can
we
take
it
as
a
takeaway
from
sure
they
for
my
comments
at
the
time,
I
had
four
comments
and
I.
They
might
somewhat
fall
onto
the
city
I'm,
just
not
aware,
as
she
certainly
will
discuss
it
with
the
city
and
develop
an
approach
between
us
and
my
final
one,
that's
relevant
for
this
committee
is
the
angle
of
the
term.
A
Obviously
you
are
limited
by
space
there,
but
I
think
there's
a
series
of
elements
starting
on
the
417
like
if
you're
going
eastbound
and
the
folks
that
are
entering
on
Isabella
and
the
folks
that
are
trying
to
get
either
off
at
leas
or
off
at
the
Nicholas
off-ramp.
There's
some
there's
some
confusion,
elements
that
I
think
a
lot
of
us
to
do
with
line
painting
and
natural
signage,
as
we
want
folks
to
merge
left
sooner
rather
than
keep
keep
progressing
and
nut
in
that
off
Lane
and
then
the
other
component.
A
That
ties
in
to
that
is
the
actual
radius.
Over
the
years
we've
had
trucks
flipped
there
and
I
wonder
how
that
is
time
to
be
addressed
as
part
of
this,
the
minimum
radius
that
we'll
provide
is
actually
the
same
as
existing,
but
because
the
structure
has
shifted
westerly,
he
there
will
be
a
greater
area
with
with
that
radius
and
you're
absolutely
correct
were
challenged
in
space
with
respect
to
the
presence
of
Lee's
Avenue,
and
any
expansion
of
that
loop
would
also
have
impact
to
the
community
to
the
west
of
the
off-ramp.
A
It
would
push
the
off
ramp
for
the
back
port
not
cough
as
well,
so
absolutely
right
that
were
challenged
with
space,
that
the
geometry
does
meet
our
standards
for
radius
and
will
continue
to
will
continue
to
post
the
conspicuous
warning
signs
for
trucks
and
what-have-you
that
we
have
in
place
today.
Okay,
and
just
to
that,
be
because
both
the
on
the
off-ramp
and
on
connect
sort
of
connect
with
each
other
as
they
move
through
the
as
they
go
through
the
movement.
A
There's
a
there's,
a
portion,
that's
really
near
each
other
and
we've
seen
when
a
VQ
ler
crosses
that
portion
that
it
creates
challenges.
So
I
know
that,
for
example,
I
think
that's
a
law.
You've
put
a
jersey
barrier
in
between.
So
is
it
part
of
the
program
here
to
correct
that
issue?
So
if
there
is
comfort
any
accident
in
one
of
the
directions
that
it
doesn't
impact
both
flows,
yeah
I
can
speak
to
that
Dom.
We
have
actually
as
part
of
a
design.
We
do
have
a
concrete
barrier
alone.
A
The
two
between
the
two
lamps
coming
off
of
the
structure
right
around
to
where
it's
no
longer
necessary.
So
it
will,
it
will
lap.
Okay!
Thank
you.
That's
a
church!
Inc!
Oh!
Thank
you
very
much.
It
is
the
first
time
I've
seen
this
presentation
and
especially
the
detour
proposals,
and
although
there
is
time
I
think
to
work
out
some
of
the
specific
center,
maybe
we
can
make
something
work
there.
I
do
on
a
flag
a
number
of
serious
concerns
too.
A
A
Yeah,
if
we
could
start
with
that
one,
so
I
guess
my
concern
from
the
westbound
direction
do
I
understand
correctly.
This
is
the
this
is
the
final
rail,
or
at
least
this
is
your
best
recommendation
or
do
I
understand
that
in
the
westbound
direction,
you're
no
longer
considering
a
route
that
involves
Main
Street,
the
pictorial
bridge
Isabella
instead
using
that
web
surfing
one.
So
your
your
preferred
proposal
now.
Is
there
the
ramp
surfing
option?
A
It
would
work
either
in
terms
of
the
I'm
already
seeing
with
the
extended
closure
of
the
LEAs
on-ramp
he
found
and
all
of
the
traffic
having
to
take
Victoria
Bridge
go
around
the
Loblaws
and
then
up
and
on
we've,
seen
significant
congestion
on
pretoria
bridge
and
that
whole
area
over
a
number
of
years
that
never
used
to
exist
and
probably
won't
again
once
we
get
the
leaves
ramp
open.
So
if
we
could
go
to
the
next
slide,
then,
where
you
are
showing
using
Lee's
in
the
eastbound
direction,
there
we
go
it
geographically.
A
This
is
totally
logical.
It's
the
least
distance
to
be
traveled.
It
can
work.
Of
course,
my
key
concern
is
that
Lee's
Avenue
does
operate,
is
effectively
a
residential
street
to
many
people
it
has
got
wide
sidewalks,
it's
got
bicycle
lanes,
it's
about
local
transit
routes,
and
so,
although
this
could
work,
I
think
we'd
have
to
do
a
lot
of
work
into
how
exactly
the
signaling
people
who
have
exited
the
Queensway.
Our
boats
turned
left
onto
Lee's.
A
That's
phenomenal
volume
for
very
occasional
inability
to
make
that
turn
same
thing
again
crossing
back
over
to
get
onto
the
what's
labeled
as
the
southeast
ramp.
We
call
these
on-ramp
and
what
what
length
of
period
of
time
er
you
can
remind
me-
are
you
suggesting
here
for
this
we're
looking
at
overnight
weekend
closure,
so
basically
a
Saturday
to
a
Sunday
night,
and
just
once
and
well
just
there's
two
occasions
where
that
can
happen.
Two.
A
I
hope
we,
including
city
staff,
will
work
out
as
safe
as
possible,
a
possibly
full-time
monthly
surveillance
at
those
two
left
turns
because
of
all
of
the
crossover
and
quite
different
kinds
of
traffic
people
who
are
coming
from
them
expecting
to
do
a
fairly
high
speed,
traverse
of
the
city
and
others
who
are
very
much
in
a
residential
mode,
walking,
kids
to
school,
etc.
I
think
that's
it
for
now.
I
guess:
I
did
not
see
anywhere
in
this,
the
need
to
stage
off
of
green
spaces
parks,
etc.
A
That's
always
a
concern
when
we're
taking
parkland
and
using
it
to
build
this.
Isn't
a
rapid
rapid
lift
bridge
build?
So
we
don't
need
that
space.
There
may
be
construction
worker.
Isn't
this
a
significant
amount
of
vehicles
associated
with
those
people
getting
to
the
site
and
needing
to
park
while
they
were
there?
Hopefully,
they're
taking
transit,
but
those
who
aren't
able
to
have
you
anticipated
yet
how
you'll
handle
that.
A
Well,
with
any
kind
of
bridge
construction
there
there
there
are,
you
know
staging
areas,
they
are
and
will
be
located
within
the
MTO
right
away,
and
we
will
make
provisions
so
that
the
workers
can
access
those
from
various
points,
of
course,
without
impeding
traffic
and
that's
various
a
fair
bit
of
empty
or
right-of-way
there.
So
I
guess
what
I
would
just
say
as
in
advance,
I,
don't
know
if
warnings.
The
right
word
request:
slash
warning
that
the
green
space
is
that
a
park
land
and
use
for
recreational
purposes.
A
You
know
be
considered
off
limits
under
the
use
of
otherwise
nice
to
look
at
grassland,
but
otherwise
on
use
green
space,
be
the
first
and
best
choice
for
for
any
kind
of
staging.
There
is
also
a
landscape
component
to
this
project,
so
there
will
be
as
part
of
the
concept
context-sensitive
design.
There
will
be
some
landscape
provided
at
the
as
the
final
process,
final
products,
which
does
mean,
and
in
a
sense
we
contraction
because
it's
going
to
be
parking
vehicles
doing.
B
A
A
A
A
We
met
with
city
staff
a
week
the
ten
days
ago
to
explore
options
at
that
lab
and
assuming
the
schedule
for
the
LRT
all
true.
We
believe
we
can
do
enough
advance
work
without
impacting
traffic
that
would
be
able
to
reopen
that
ramp
in
2018
after
the
light
wheel
becomes
operational
and
OC.
Transpo
has
no
further
need
of
that
that
transit
priority
measure.
A
Sorry,
we
have
a
resurfacing
that
we're
going
to
do
the
bulk
of
which
will
actually
happen
next
year.
Although
the
contract
would
be
awarded
visited,
but
we
will
be
able
to.
We
will
be
able
to
open
up
that
web
this
autumn,
provided
our
schedule
halts
and
there
might
be
some
additional
were
next
spring
in
the
way
of
tidy
up,
but
nothing.
Nothing
like
a
closure,
like
we've
had
for
the
past
three
years,
sure
so
the
resurfacing
you're
talking
about
you
said
next
year,
we're
still
in
the
early
part
of
20th
at
resurfacing.
A
Work
is
in
18
or
that
resurfacing
work
is
in
19.
We
would
would
resurface
the
ramp
in
the
autumn
of
18,
because
the
jobs
currently
closed,
and
that's
the
best
time
to
do
that.
Yeah.
We
may
have
a
little
bit
of
paving
work
in
the
vicinity
of
the
ramp.
That
may
have
to
happen
in
19,
which
would
mean
possibly
an
isolated
off-peak
closure
of
that
went
for
a
very
short
period
of
time.
A
A
The
some
of
the
work
that
has
to
happen
is
temperature
dependent,
predominantly
placing
of
paint.
We
think
we
can
do
most
of
that
during
the
better
weather
months
at
that
specific
location.
So
all
we're
all
we're
trying
to
say
is
is
we're
just
contingent
on
not
having
a
lot
of
horrible
weather
and
two
concrete
can
in
the
future
a
week
or
two
weeks
or
both
would
push
us
over
the
blankets.
It's
very
difficult,
I'm,
not
asking
you
predict
what
the
weather
is
going
to
be
I'm,
trying
to
understand
what
is
bad
weather?
A
Is
it
snow
how
cold
is
cold?
What
are
the
circumstances?
Specific
sorry,
I,
misunderstood
you
Russia,
certainly
certainly
snow
and
low
temperatures
would
impede
some
of
that
work.
Not
the
removal
of
pavement
markings
so
much,
but
a
placing
anyone
new
ones
that
hard
to
go
down
so
we'll
be
working
very
closely
with
OC
Transpo
as
the
LRT
date
approaches
to
coordinate
activities.
So
we
can
be
in
there
doing
Network
right
after
their
requirement
ends.
Okay,
Thank
You.
Mr.
chair.
A
Impairments
any
other
questions
for
this
presentation.
Okay,
received
on
the
presentation.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
You
mr.
chair
our
next.
Our
next
item
is
number
two
on
the
agenda,
which
again
is
the
ministry
of
transportation.
This
is
the
highway
417
CPR
o
train
bridge
replacement,
so
it
asked
the
MTR
team
become
port
while
they're
doing
that
I'm
going
to
ask
counts
from
the
Kenny
the
vice-chair
to
introduce
your
promotion
on
this
particular
issue.
A
So
you
have
it
in
front
of
you
as
you're
hearing
the
presentation,
Thank
You
chair
just
a
briefly
summarize
and
then
I'll
I'll
read
it
out
into
the
record.
This
is
to
accommodate
the
businesses
on
Preston,
who
will
be
losing
some
of
their
on
street
parking
as
we
detour
for
for
this
closure.
So
where's.
A
And
whereas
the
loss
of
on
street
parking
in
the
area
can
be
offset
by
preventing
the
use
of
city-owned
parking
lot
on
Preston
Street,
which
will
be
helpful
to
local
businesses
that
belong
to
the
Preston
Street
Business
Improvement
area,
as
well
as
residents
and
visitors
to
the
area.
Therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
transportation
community
recommends
that
council
delegate
to
the
general
manager,
Public
Works
Environmental
Services
the
authority
to
modify
the
parking
fees
during
the
period.
A
The
CPR
o
train
bridge
replacement
construction
in
the
city
on
WA,
located
at
3:01
Preston
Street,
to
match
the
Preston
Street
on
street
parking
fee
structure.
On
weekdays,
from
5:30
p.m.
to
8:00
p.m.
the
general
manager
of
Public,
Works
Environmental
Services
reserves
the
right
to
reassess
this
change
after
a
few
months,
so
that
waits
at
the
lot
can
be
reinstated
if
required.
A
A
B
Maria
Berlin
I'm
Lincoln
McDonald
I'm,
the
project
manager
for
WSP,
we'll
start
with
a
little
bit
of
background
on
this
project,
make
it
were
somebody
aware
of.
What's
going
on
so
MTO
completed
a
plenty
designed
a
TA
study
for
the
rehabilitation
and
replacement
of
the
highway
417,
what
we
call
Midtown
bridges
to
define
a
bridge
management
plan
for
23
bridges
and
12
sites
in
the
Queensway
between
Holland,
Avenue
and
O'conner
Street,
and
that
was
completed
approximately
two
years
ago.
B
The
study
determined
that
the
CPR
Oh
train
bridges
are
nearing
the
end
of
their
service
life
and
Arda
need
replacement.
The
current
detailed
design
project
involves
the
replacement
of
the
417
bridges
over
the
CPR
Oh
train
corridor,
using
rapid
replacement
technology,
detering
of
the
Trillium
multi-use
pathway
between
Gladstone
and
Yonge
Street
during
construction
and
construction
related
works,
including
retaining
walls,
pavement,
rehab
drainage
improvements,
modifications
to
the
existing
illumination
and
eight
EMS
systems,
some
utility
relocations
and
landscaping,
as
required.
So.
B
For
those
not
familiar
with
the
old
trained
CPR
is
located
west
of
Preston
Street
interchange,
the
existing
structure
is
five
span
constructed
in
the
early
60s.
The
new
decks
are
to
be
replaced
using
a
rapid
replacement
technology.
The
revised
span
with
we'll
accommodate
the
existing
old
train
corridor.
B
B
The
new
bridge
decks
are
being
constructed
to
the
north
of
the
existing
417
on
stands.
If
you
want
to
call
nut
and
as
part
of
the
new
technology,
this
rapid
replacement
methodologies
is
different
than
what's
been
used
previously
on
the
Queensway
on
the
queezy.
Previously
they
were
used
with
transporters
with
the
bridges
being
built
and
then
moved
into
place
in
this
case,
they're
being
built
on
stands
and
the
methodology
of
replacement
is
called
a
jackin
slide
technology,
so
they'll
they'll
be
pushed
into
place
into
the
new
new
arrangement.
B
After
the
rapid
replacement
weekend,
construction
will
continue
on
for
17
to
address
the
new
approach.
Laws
for
the
structures,
median
storm
service
built
solution,
concrete
barrier
as
well
as
snow
guards
under
the
new
bridges
the
old
piers
were
removed.
The
temporary
stands
will
get
removed
and
protection
measures
that
are
being
put
in
place
for
the
old
train
will
be
removed
at
the
reinstatement
of
the
multi-use
pathway
and
final
restoration
landscaping
will
take
place.
B
So
the
construction
Seder
is
very
contained
and
and
small,
it's
extremely
difficult,
safe
to
work
in
so
as
part
of
negotiations
with
the
NCC
and
with
the
City
of
Ottawa.
We
have
developed
a
site
area
where
the
contractor
you
do
is
lay
downs
and
operate
and
access
the
site
he'll
be
accessing
off.
A
Gladstone.
Avenue
primarily,
is
his
main
quarter
site
will
be
the
left
side
of
the
Loretto
Oh
Train
adjacent
to
the
Loretto
traffic
operations
facility.
B
The
ministry
has
entered
into
a
property
agreement
with
the
Loretto
facility
to
to
occupy
their
back
parking
lot
as
part
of
the
staging
area
for
this
replacement
on
the
east
side
of
the
old
train
corridor.
It's
primarily
NCC
land
and
an
agreement
has
being
is,
is
in
the
process
of
being
obtained
with
them
to
occupy
their
land,
to
be
able
to
do
the
staging
area.
This
is
also
the
area
the
site
that
the
Trillium
multi-use
pathway
is
located
on
the
south
side
of
the
highway.
B
The
multi-use
pathway
will
be
detoured
along
the
suicide
of
Yonge
Street
north
along
the
west
side
of
Preston
Avenue
westerly
along
Louisa
Street,
and
then
order
to
come
up
through
what
is
code.
What
is
called
I
guess
the
roller
yards
tropic
lower
yard.
They
have
a
traffic
facility
yard
that
they
use
for
storage
material,
it'll,
be
a
bi-directional
bike
lanes
on
Yonge
Street
and
the
west
side
of
Preston
and
they're
segregated
from
traffic.
B
The
bike
lanes
will
share
the
lane
in
Louisa
Street
the
pathway,
as
they
notice
the
real
line
between
a
reasoning
Gladstone
on
street
parking
or
removed
from
Yonge
Street
Louise
on
Preston
Street
between
Yonge
Street
and
orissa
Street.
The
City
of
Ottawa
is
currently
providing
the
design
for
this
be
12
month.
B
B
Unfortunately,
certain
construction
operations
cannot
be
performed,
while
the
old
trainers
and
service
construction
operations
would
need
to
stop
every
time
a
train
approaches.
Currently,
the
trains
are
running
between
7
and
12
minutes
it.
It
really
impacts
production
and
makes
it
very
difficult
to
carry
out
some
of
this
work.
Old
train
closures
currently
make
me
from
Paul
3005
Court
reduce
the
complexity
of
the
construction
of
this
construction
window,
which
is
less
than
four
hours.
B
Producto
operations
is
too
short,
so
in
order
to
allow
the
bridge
construction
operations
proceed
with
their
continuous
interruptions,
a
temporary
CSP
corrugated
steel,
pipe
arch
culvert
is
being
installed
over
the
tracks
within
the
bridge
corridor
and
north
of
the
bridge
quarter.
Underneath
whether
temporary
stands
in
the
tan,
the
new
bridges
are
being
built.
B
A
three-week
closure
has
been
negotiated
with
roadtrain,
as
required
at
the
start
of
construction
in
year,
one
in
order
to
install
the
protection
measures
over
the
old
train.
A
second
three-week
closure,
the
old
trainer
is
acquired
in
the
second
year
and
that's
for
the
rapid
replacement
of
the
actual
highway
417
bridges,
as
well
as
the
removal
of
the
protection
measures.
Old
crane
closure
periods
currently
are
targeted
for
mid-july
to
mid-august
to
minimize
impacts
to
train
users
and
ensure
that
the
Train
is
an
operation
for
for
the
school
season.
At
the
University
of
Elam.
B
Highly
417
closures,
there's
a
three-day
82.
Our
closure
required
for
the
417
to
allow
the
rapid
replacement
operation
to
be
undertaken.
417
will
be
fully
closed
from
carling
avenue
to
Bronson
Avenue,
including
the
yarn
routes
within
a
section
of
highway.
As
on
past
projects,
the
contract
required
to
organize
a
incident
management
team
which
will
include
members
of
RFC
of
Ottawa's
traffic
incident
management,
group,
MTO
operations
and
contract
staff,
MTO
contract
administrator
and
a
contractor's
key
staff.
A
communications
plan
will
be
in
place
to
advise
the
city
of
auto
our
OC
Transpo
residents.
B
So
the
detour
route
coming
westbound
you'd
get
off
at
Bronson
along
caroling
south
on
bouncing
along
caroling
and
then
back
on
at
the
Carling
westbound
on
rip
eastbound
traffic
would
get
off
at
the
curling.
Eastbound
would
proceed
along
carling
avenue
and
get
back
on
via
Chamberlain
and
on
to
the
Isabella
on
rim.
B
B
So
summary
of
construction,
staging
and
traffic
impacts,
so
at
the
curve
starter
construction
there
will
be
the
fourth
Lane
in
this
direction
in
either
direction
on
westbound
and
eastbound
in
this
area
will
be
closed.
Three
lanes
of
traffic
will
be
maintained
during
the
peak
hours.
The
laps
will
be
maintained
for
the
most
part,
the
acceleration/deceleration
lanes
for
those
ramps
will
be
taken
from
the
fourth
lane.
B
Before
the
rapid
actual
replacement.
We
will
have
make
me
and
weekend
417
volume
reductions
to
allow
for
some
pre
what
that
has
to
be
done
on
the
highway
before
the
actual
replacements.
During
the
rapid
replacement,
there
will
be
a
full
closure
for
17
from
Carlene
Doubront.
Send
the
County
eastbound
on
ramp
will
be
closed.
Counting
eastbound,
westbound,
ramp
eastbound
on
ramp
will
be
closed
along.
B
The
eastbound
on
ramp
will
be
closed,
except
for
emergency
services,
Rochester
Avenue
and
Bronson
Avenue
westbound
on
ramps.
So
it's
a
three-day
closure,
82
Alps
in
duration,
highway,
417,
closure
of
the
two
lanes
of
417
eastbound
requires
the
closure
of
the
falling
ramps
and
that's
the
Rochester
Avenue
west
north
south
ramp
and
the
Parkdale
Avenue
bar
set
the
East
ramp,
possibly
up
to
7
closures.
Only
on
the
weekend,
so
post
rapid
replacement
operations,
we
will
require
requirement
to
close
two
lanes
in
the
417
to
allow
for
the
folks
labs
and
be
barrier
to
be
constructed.
B
A
A
Next,
we
have
the
right
way:
patio
by
law,
review
of
pedestrian,
clear
Lane
accessibility
requirements
for
existing
patios.
We
have
a
presentation
on
this,
so
I'm
going
to
ask
staff
to
come
up
following
the
presentation.
We
have
a
number
of
public
delegations,
so
I'll
ask
for
councillors
to
hold
the
questions
until
after
the
public
delegations
that
they
have
any
questions
for
staff.
A
So,
thank
you
very
much
and
let's
introduce
the
presentation
and
off
you
go
Thank
You.
Mr.
chair
members
of
committee,
my
name
is
Rob
McLaughlin
I'm,
a
bylaw
review
specialist,
with
the
right-of-way
branch
on
my
left
is
Jake
Ravel
program
manager
with
violin
regulatory
services,
Linda
cart,
Barre
program
manager,
the
right
way,
branch
and
Corkery
manager
of
row
head
and,
as
mentioned
we're
here
today
to
speak
to
the
report
dealing
with
the
right
away,
patio
and
specifically,
the
review
of
the
pedestrian.
Clearly
under
three
access
issues
for
existing
patios.
A
Firstly,
a
bit
of
background,
as
the
committee
is
well
aware,
last
year
had
marched
the
new
standalone
bylaw
for
the
regulation
of
patios
was
put
into
place
with
respect
to
those
within
roll
outs
and
to
key
requirements
regarding
those
were
that
a
pedestrian
clearway
being
that
space
requiring
for
unencumbered
and
clear
pedestrian
travel
next
to
the
patio
be
provided
at
a
minimum
of
2
metres
and
also
that
barrier
free
access
of
the
patios
in
accordance
with
the
city's
accessibility
design
standards
be
provided
for
those
patios
existing.
At
the
time
the
bylaw
was
passed.
A
A
one-year
reprieve
was
provided
up
until
April
1st
of
this
year
to
comply
with
those
the
caveat
to
that
being
that
those
panels
along
algún
Street
were
provided
by
Council
with
relief
from
these
two
requirements.
Until
such
time
as
the
pedestrian
clearway
was
reinstated
after
the
unconstructed
staff
were
at
the
time
the
bylaw
was
past
required
to
report
back
to
committee
on
the
progress
that
had
been
made
in
designating
the
pedestrian
clearway.
Next
to
these
existing
patios,
as
well
as
the
extent
to
which
these
panels
comply
with
the
city's
accessibility,
design
standards.
A
Turning
first
to
the
pedestrian,
clearly
and
I,
think
it's
important
for
context
that
we
begin
with
a
brief
overview
of
the
regulations
that
apply
to
the
pedestrian
clearway.
The
first
is
the
provincial
accessibility
for
Ontarians,
with
Disabilities
Act
or
the
AODA,
which
requires
that
for
newly
constructed
or
redeveloped
pedestrian,
clear
ways
after
January
1st
of
2016
that
a
1.5
meter
would
be
provided.
A
The
next
is
the
city's
accessibility
design
standards,
which
provides
that
a
1.8
meter,
wide
pedestrian
clearway
be
provided
or
where
lesser
width
is
provided,
that
at
intervals
of
no
greater
than
30
metres,
a
1.8
by
one
point,
a
passing
area
be
provided
and
you'll
see
on
the
slide
there
a
graphic
representing
those
two
situations
as
the
best
practice.
The
ATS
also
provides
that,
where
feasible
a
2
metre,
pedestrian
clearway
should
also
be
provided.
A
Based
on
a
review
of
87
patios,
52
of
these
were
identified
by
staff
as
having
a
pedestrian
clearly,
next
to
them,
that
was
less
than
two
meters
in
width.
These
locations
were
provided
to
persons
who
was
hired
to
document
the
the
actual
pedestrian
clearing
next
to
these
panels,
as
well
as
to
document
the
location
of
city
infrastructure
within
this
area,
Plaisance
was
also
asked
to
identify
possible
solutions
to
be
too
muted
to
achieve
a
minimum,
2
meter
pedestrian.
Clearly
in
these
situations.
A
Opportunities
were
also
identified
to
investigate
what
values
could
be
moved
away
from
the
building
face
to
curb-sider
street
side
locations
in
order
to
achieve
a
minimum,
2
meter
pedestrian.
Clearly
and
lastly,
there
were
some
instances
where
the
location
of
infrastructure
such
as
hydro,
poles
and
rakers,
or
the
width
of
existing
sidewalks,
meant
that
there
would
be,
despite
and
a
lot
of,
acacia
sternum,
adding
a
footprint.
No
real
gains
to
the
width
of
the
pedestrian
travel
achieved
and
I'll
speak
more
to
this.
And
when
we
get
to
the
recommendations
of
the
report.
A
Persons
also
reviewed
the
extent
to
which
the
87
patio
is
provided
for
barrier-free
or
universal
access.
37
of
the
progress
were
found
not
to
be
universally
accessible,
thirty,
two
of
which
were
ones
which
employed
a
platform.
The
solutions
include,
bringing
the
patio
closer
to
or
to
grade
where
necessary,
utilizing
a
ramp
going
forward.
Webb's
will
need
to
be
designed
in
accordance
with
the
accessibility
design,
standards
of
the
city.
A
Again,
based
on
the
findings
of
Parsons,
says,
staff
have
several
recommendations
for
committee
and
council
consideration.
The
first
of
these
is
that
the
bylaw
be
amended
to
provide
the
general
manager
with
the
delegated
authority
to
permit
a
lesser
clear
way
within
two
meters,
next
to
existing
patios
in
those
situations
where
the
abutting
sidewalk
is
itself
less
than
to
musin
width
or
where
there
is
immovable
infrastructure,
such
as
hydro
pools
and
anchors
standing
between
the
patio
and
the
sidewalk.
A
A
In
terms
of
next
steps,
staff
will
continue
to
work
with
patio
owners
to
identify
options
for
covering
a
conformity
with
the
bylaw
and
meeting
the
requirements
for
the
pedestrian
clearway,
as
well
as
the
ATS.
The
staff
will
work
to
remove
infrastructure
or
replace
them
relocate
infrastructure
where
possible,
and
will
continue
ongoing
patio
inspections
and
enforcement
of
patio
permit
conditions,
as
well
as
the
biologic
wired.
That
concludes
the
presentation.
Thank
very
much
I
want
to
thank
all
the
staff
that
worked
on
this
report.
A
We
have
a
member
of
delegations
to
speak
to
this.
So
again,
if
you
could
hold
your
questions
for
staff
and
the
first
I'm
going
to
try,
this
is
Dennis
and
style.
Doom
Union
close-close
from
the
Wellington
West
Business
Improvement
area
good
morning,
I
think
you
I
think
you've
been
here
before
so
you
know
the
rules
at
five
minutes.
A
A
I
speak
on
behalf
of
the
Wellington
West
Business
Improvement
area
as
the
newly
minted
executive
director
of
this
association-
and
this
is
my
first
chance
to
present
to
this
committee,
but
as
your
area
of
expertise
is
our
great
concern
to
my
members
in
terms
of
parking
in
terms
of
patios
in
terms
of
bicycles
and
multimodal
transportation.
I,
don't
imagine
it
will
be.
A
The
last
I'd
also
like
to
thank
the
staff
and
consultants
who've
done
such
a
diligent
job
on
this
particular
file
over
the
past
few
years,
and
I
really
appreciate
their
meeting
with
us
to
go
in
detail
and
their
responsiveness
in
getting
us
information
upon
request.
It
is
our
job
as
a
BIA
to
improve
the
Wellington
West
Corridor
and
thus
bring
life,
energy
and
animation
to
the
public
spaces
along
it,
and
the
proliferation
of
restaurant
patios
along
our
door.
A
A
We
see
public
spaces
for
people
to
slow
down
linger
and
explore
our
neighborhoods,
where
your
committee
manages
patios
as
encroachments
in
the
same
category
that
you
manage
construction
blockages
and
hoarding
we
see
patios
as
real
estate
manager
might
as
capital
enhancements
to
our
area.
So
while
we
understand-
and
we
absolutely
approve
of
the
thrust
of
this
effort-
we
look
at
it
a
little
bit
more
a
little
bit
differently
and
we
understand
that
a
bylaw
is
a
blunt
instrument
and
there
are
good
reasons.
But
we
are.
A
A
The
time
cost
and
stress
level
encroachment
that
these
changes
impose
on
the
business
owners
and
I
might
add
painfully
short
notice,
given
to
them
of
their
of
their
exact
infractions
and
of
the
options
available
to
them
or
the
risk
that
a
patio
might
disappear
entirely,
and
that's
what
I'm
hearing
due
to
the
requirements
becoming
to
owners
and
and
of
course
the
possibility
of
the
business
itself
might
close
down
if
they
cannot
make
the
money
that
they
have
anticipated
for
this
season.
So
we'd
like
to
ask
you
for
consideration
on
a
few
points.
A
First
of
all,
we
support
wholeheartedly
efforts
to
improve
accessibility
of
the
patios
themselves.
Access
to
those
patios
is
something
we
are
not
going
to
comment
on.
We
will
work
with
your
staff
and
members
to
bring
existing
patios
into
compliance
and
ensure
new
patios
also
conform.
You
strongly
agree
with
that
point.
We
support
the
principle
of
wider,
clear
ways
as
the
standard
for
all
future
patios.
We
think
these
regulations
are
forward-looking
and
reasonable
and
set
a
standard
for
the
for
the
city
that
is
ahead
of
the
game
in
terms
of
the
province.
A
We
asked
strongly
for
more
time
and
leniency
in
the
application
of
the
guidelines,
particularly
regarding
the
to
seasonal
patios
at
Bar
Laurel
and
at
Tennessee
Williams.
Both
of
those
patios
are
less
than
five
years
old
and
the
the
barbed
managers
and
restaurant
owners
built
those
in
good
faith
under
the
existing
rules,
and
they
were
a
little
surprised
to
find
that
they
were
in
contravention
at
the
end
that
it
was
going
to
be
coming
up
this
coming
year.
A
In
cases
like
them,
they
may
be
in
violation
of
the
change
rules,
but
we
asked
for
even
more
consideration
and
we
also
asked
to
consider
it
the
broader
benefits
these
patios
bring.
The
low
level
of
complaints
or
actual
problems
that
they've
generated
thus
far,
or
at
least
if
there
are
those
complaints
or
problems,
make
sure
that
they're
added
to
the
record
so
that
we
can
consider
them
as
well
and
also
the
fact
that
they're
completely
removed
and
therefore
offer
no
obstruction
for
six
months
of
the
year.
A
So
no
longer
term,
though-
and
this
is
where
I'm
a
little
bit
at
sea
as
someone
new
to
this
process,
but
it
seems
to
me
that
I'd
like
to
ask
for
a
process
where
you
could
consider
and
then
have
you
have
to
get
to
rap-off
sure
yeah,
absolutely
reasonable
adjustments,
something
like
a
committee
of
adjustment
or
an
application
process
where
small
infractions,
like
the
three
centimeters
for
the
bar
low,
a
an
infringement
could
be
considered
and
applied
for
by
the
community
and
considered
by
the
community.
I.
A
A
A
A
A
Sorry,
one
morning,
everyone
nice
to
see
you
again.
My
name
is
Yasmin
Jennings
executive
director
of
the
Byward
market
BIA,
and
thank
you
again
for
the
opportunity
to
speak
to
you
this
morning.
I
think
we
could
probably
echo
some
of
the
comments
of
my
colleague.
Patios
are
a
very
important
element
to
both
the
overall
business
model
of
our
restauranteurs
and
the
general
appeal
of
the
area
to
visitors.
Patios
contribute
to
the
safety
of
an
area
by
providing
eyes
on
the
street.
Our
tourism
draw
and
contribute
to
the
overall
enjoyment
of
our
city.
A
It
was
roughly
a
year
ago
that
we
were
here
lost
became
their
patios.
The
BIA
has
always
supported
the
spirit
and
intent
of
the
new
bylaw
and
support
the
efforts
to
be
more
globally
accessible,
that
we
challenge
the
manner
of
application
and
implementation.
It
is
our
understanding
that
staff
would
work
with
the
businesses
and
come
back
with
recommendations
to
assist
them
with
compliance.
However,
the
report
was
only
released
this
past
Friday.
This
is
simply
not
enough
time
for
businesses
to
react
and
make
the
required
changes.
A
Therefore,
we
also
requesting
a
deferral
for
the
implementation
of
the
new
rules
in
order
to
be
compliant,
businesses
need
to
completely
redesign
and
reconstruct
their
patios
engineering.
Drawings
are
required,
materials
need
to
be
chosen,
purchase,
delivered
final
designs
need
city
approval
and
contractors
need
to
be
secured
for
construction.
Patio
season
starts
April
1st.
Clearly,
there's
no
time
for
businesses
to
achieve
all
of
this.
A
In
this
tiny
little
time
frame
the
anjuna
the
busiest
times
in
the
market
they
repeatedly
and
consistently
objected
to
any
construction
or
disruptions
taking
place
in
the
spring
spring
is
not
the
time
to
start
construction
to
try
to
make
patios
compliant.
It
is
simply
not
feasible,
but
staff
contractors
not
permits
etcetera,
will
be
done
by
April
1st.
The
highest
volume
of
tour
buses
come
through
the
area
in
May
and
June
and
spring
sets.
The
term
for
the
whole
season
for
locals.
Construction
should
be
scheduled
on
sorry
to
lose.
A
A
This
infrastructure
and
process
cost
tens
of
thousands
of
dollars
includes
design
construction,
installation
dismantled
storage.
Every
inch
was
carefully
planned
to
accommodate
the
original
regulations,
the
existing
sidewalk
condition,
city
infrastructure,
etc.
In
order
to
meet
the
new
requirements,
all
platforms
will
need
to
be
renovated
or
in
most
cases
completely
reconstructed.
Three
weeks
is
simply
not
enough
time
for
businesses
and
businesses
want
to
get
it
right,
unlike
most
other
neighborhoods
in
the
urban
core,
most
of
them
have
all
had
major
investments,
improvements
and
even
expansions
to
the
right-of-way.
A
The
Byward
market
is
plagued
with
aging
infrastructure
and
limited
sidewalk
space
in
order
to
provide
a
safe
and
secure
surface
for
both
the
customers
and
staff.
Most
businesses
have
had
to
design
and
construct
patio
platforms
to
address
issues
of
sidewalks,
sloping,
uneven
and
or
patchy
work
on
sidewalks,
therefore,
simply
relocating
patios
directly
on
the
sidewalk
is
really
not
possible
in
those
cases.
A
Finally,
we
recently
learned
of
the
next
phases
of
the
Byward
market,
revitalization
plan.
It
includes
a
full
review
of
the
district's
right-of-way
and
public
spaces.
This
presents
the
perfect
opportunity
for
a
full
patio
review
in
the
market.
A
holistic
approach
is
the
best
way
to
go.
Opportunities
were
also
identified
way
back
in
a
wait.
No
nine
through
our
local
parking
study
and
patios
and
public
space
paced
places
were
also
a
recommendation
in
the
PBS
report,
which
drove
the
Byward
market
revitalization
process.
A
It
makes
no
sense,
nor
is
it
acceptable
or
respectable,
respectful
to
burden
businesses
with
major
costs
to
make
changes
this
year
only
to
risk
having
to
do
it
all
over
again
in
a
year
or
two
once
the
public
realm
review
is
done.
In
conclusion,
we
respectfully
request
that
implementation
of
the
new
patio
rules
to
existing
patios
in
the
Byward
market
be
deferred
until
the
completion
of
the
public
realm
work.
A
We
truly
believe
that
a
wide
variety
of
opportunities
and
the
approaches
exist
that
will
only
be
realized
through
a
more
comprehensive
and
encompassing
look
at
all
the
public
realm
elements
in
the
market.
This
approach
is,
in
fact,
the
most
civically
responsible
and
fiscally
prudent
approach
to
achieve
the
goal
of
an
overall
improved
experience
for
all.
Thank
you.
A
Do
I
still
have
time
well,
I'm
only
asking
because
Lloyd
Mello
from
the
Preston
BIA
just
contacted
me.
She's
in
dental
surgery
and
she
had
the
same
impression,
their
businesses
were
under
the
understanding
that,
once
the
recommendations
came
out,
they
were
going
to
start
working
with
city
staff
for
those
that
had
to
be
compliant,
so
they
to
have
also
asked
for
a
deferral
to
allow
the
work
to
happen
and
time
for
all
these
changes.
A
Thank
you.
We'll
have
questions
for
city
staff.
After
all
the
delegations,
they
had
certainly
been
my
understanding
that
city
staff
has
been
meeting
with
individual
businesses
for
quite
some
time
now
in
having
discussions
about
what
was
coming
down
the
pike,
but
we'll
deal
with
that.
Though
councillor
for
TSM
Katie
would
like
to
ask
one
question:
staff,
which
is
directly
related
to
something
that
you've
raised
so
I'm,
going
to
allow
that
so
I
guess.
The
question
is
for
court.
A
The
Jasna
was
speaking
about
the
holistic
component,
which
obviously
I
think
we're
all
on
the
same
page
that
we
want
the
area
to
have
a
you
know,
an
improved,
look
and
feel
and
improve
public
realm,
and
so
on
and
I
know
that
your
team
and
Dana,
more
specifically
in
Gillian
on
those
efforts.
Maybe
maybe
you
could
speak
to
how
this
effort
doesn't
or
does
it?
How
does
it
impact
that
review
and
how?
How
will
those
kind
of
tie
in
together
at
some
point
so
counselor
will
be
embarking
upon
this
spring?
A
A
public
realm
plan
for
the
by
Road
Market
precinct
writ
large
that
plan
development
will,
which
will
have
extensive
stakeholder
consultation,
will
take
approximately
a
year
and
the
outcomes
of
that
may
be
potential
redesigns
for
some
of
the
corridors
where
we
do
at
patios
currently,
but
that
will
lead
to
a
capital
project
that,
at
this
time,
has
no
funding.
It
would
be
subject
to
future
capital
budget
asks.
That's
a
multi-year
rollout
at
best,
I
think
would
be
in
a
position,
but
for
is
the
money
for
design
in
2020.
A
So
we've
taken
a
practical
approach
with
the
conversations
we've
had
with
pouty
ORS,
thus
far
to
look
at
options
that
are
minimal
in
terms
of
changes
that
need
to
be
made
between
now
and
then
by
recognizing
that
an
overall
notation
of
a
larger
plan
as
many
years
away
very
much
any
other
questions
for
delegation.
Yet
councillor
caucus
thanks,
Sharon
I
just
wanted
to
clarify,
because
the
chair
had
mentioned
that
staff
have
been
working
with
businesses
on
that
April
deadline,
and
you
were
saying
that
the
BIA
representatives
are
saying
that
you
kind
of
didn't
know
so.
A
I
just
want
to
clarify.
Have
you
been
talking
to
staff
over
the
past
few
months
and
were
you
aware
the
timelines
and
asked
for
them
to
be
pushed,
or
did
you
just
find
out
when
this
report
went
live
last
week?
So
we
were,
we
were
as
the
BIA
we
I
contacted
Mia
three
weeks
ago.
It
was
just
a
couple
of
days.
A
We
are
smack
in
the
middle
interlude,
and
that
was
our
first
contact
from
staff,
but
I
do
know
some
businesses
had
spoken
with
staff,
but
again
we
were
under
the
impression
that
you
know
this
report
was
going
to
come
out
recommendations,
and
then
we
were
going
to
kind
of
look
at
the
at
what
that,
what
that
meant
and
how
they
can
start.
You
know
looking
at
altering
their
patios,
but
most
people
will
really
again
wear
it.
A
The
first
most
of
the
patios
actually
are
going
up
even
in
time
for
some
patties
days,
so
many
of
them
were
kind
of
taken
aback
that
they
would
have
to
do
it
immediately.
They
thought
this
was
kind
of
going
to
be
the
process
that
we
are
working
through
the
process.
Okay
and
so
since
you
were
notified
around
that
time
a
month
or
so
ago,
have
you
been
raising
concerns
about
that
timeline
would
stop
working
with
them
on
that
yeah
I?
A
Yes,
actually,
my
Vice
Chair
is
here
so
he
met
with
staff
I
think
about
two
weeks
ago.
So
he
can
comment
on
that.
Okay,
I'd,
like
to
know
what
staff
have
told
you
in
those
conversations.
Well,
we
actually
were.
We
just
had
a
conversation
shortly
before
the
meeting
and
there's
there's
definitely
a
misunderstanding
and
one
of
the
business
owners,
you
know
have
said
I'm,
pretty
I'm
pretty
on
the
ball.
With
all
of
these
things
and
I
even
was
really
the
impression
that
once
the
recommendations
came
out,
then
we
were
going
to
start.
A
You
know
working
together
to
see
what
we
could
do
and
for
most
people
I
think
they
would
be
looking
at
making
changes
in
the
fall,
we're
going
to
have
to
move
polls
or
we're
going
to
have
to
move
things
in
or
not.
If
there's
going
to
be
small
construction
improvements
or
changes
that
those
types
of
things
would
come
about
in
the
fall
after
we've
kind
of
worked
through
the
bigger
process.
Okay,
thank
you
for
the
clarification,
Thank
You
councillor
catfish
just
again
for
clarification,
staff.
A
We're
hearing
from
this
Jennings
that
you
first
met
in
February
about
this
project
with
with
her
BIA.
Is
that
accurate?
Just
that
was
the
first
time
we
met
this
past
February
chair
in
response
to
that
know,
we
started
meetings
in
November
with
the
individual
patty
owners
to
identify
where
they
had
clearway
issues
or
accessibility
issues
on
their
patios,
so
those
meetings
started
last
November
and
and
but
more
particularly
means
with
miss,
miss
miss
Jennings
and
more
on
behalf
of
the
BIA
was
the
first
one
this
past
February.
A
A
Like
a
you
know,
new
information,
when
maybe
not
everyone,
but
at
least
some
of
the
members
were
aware
at
the
time-
and
there
had
been
some
direction
from
committee
to
do
some
work
so
chair.
It
was
a
year
ago,
actually
year-end
data,
we're
in
this
room
and
recommendation
three
of
our
report
as
a
result
of
our
stakeholder
feedback
who
was
suited
for
implementation
of
components
of
the
bylaw
relates
to
accessibility
for
one
year,
and
that
was
specifically
because
we
heard
from
our
business
owners
the
2017
was
an
important
year.
This
was
a
lot
of
change.
A
We
need
a
time
to
get
this
right,
so
council
concurred
with
that
and
we
as
Rob
noted,
hired
a
consultant
to
design
her
patio.
What
we've
called
placemats,
which
was
various
options
that
they
could
they
could
undertake
to
comply
with
a
bylaw.
Throughout
2017
we
sent
two
pieces
of
Correspondence
to
all
permit
holders,
letting
them
know
that
council
approved
a
new
bylaw
with
a
one-year
reprieve.
We
then,
as
mr.
A
arctor
indicated,
started
meeting
with
individual
patty
owners
in
the
fall
to
go
over
the
potential
options
for
their
specific
patios,
as
well
as
with
the
be
IAS
so
certainly
I,
think
art.
We
have
done
a
good
job
in
terms
of
engagement
to
be
IAS
and
value
owners
beyond
the
one
year,
I'll
reprieve.
What
was
that
issue
in
the
last
few
weeks
was
some
of
the
recommendations
in
report
related
to
city
costs.
A
I'm
a
partner
in
about
25
different
restaurants
in
the
city,
including
Pierre
kitchen,
El,
Camino,
clock
tower
brew,
pubs.
Numerous
places
in
viral
market
I
have
had
exactly
two
30-minute
meetings
with
city
staff
over
this
issue
and
it
was
on
the
street
informally.
That
is
hardly
enough
time
and
effort
put
in
to
discussing
the
issue
with
us.
This
is
a
very
important
issue
and
it
needs
to
be
deferred
and
we
need
to
really
look
at
it
and
decide
how
we're
dealing
with
it
most.
My
patios
are
on
their
way
up.
A
A
That's
all
they'd
like
to
say
thank
you.
Any
questions,
I
have
a
question.
How
many
businesses
of
yours,
or
that
you
have
an
interest
in,
would
be
impacted
by
the
changes.
Well
again,
I'm,
not
quite
clear.
On
that
I
haven't
really
seen
I've
been
showing
a
few
of
the
places.
I
would
think
10
to
15
of
them,
but
I'm,
not
clear.
There's,
no
implementation
plan,
there's
no
timing
of
how
all
of
this
is
supposed
to
get
done
and
patios
are
supposed
to
go
up.
A
April
1st,
because
because
Mya
deliver
patios
are
already
up,
we
left
them
up
through
the
winter.
We
under
the
new
bylaw
correct
to
me
what
you
will
have
to
do
that
and
well
I'll
call
up
a
staff.
My
understanding
is
that
all
impacted
businesses
have
been
met
with,
and
discussions
around
potential
changes
necessary
have
been
had
so
often
when
it's
time
ask
questions
to
staff.
A
B
A
It
possible
sort
of
that,
because
you
have
multiple
interests
and
multiple
interests
that
staff
may
have
spoken
to
one
of
your
business
partners
or
managers
of
the
locations.
I,
don't
think
so,
but
you
don't
know
no
I,
don't
think
so
I'm
the
person
that
would
be
dealing
with
construction
on
all
the
patios
okay.
A
A
Mr.
chair
should
be
approximately
sixty
one
thousand.
That
would
need
to
make
there'll
be
about
sixty
one
valiums
that
would
need
based
on
2017
records.
That
would
need
to
make
a
change
either
with
respect
to
the
accessibility,
design,
standard
portion
or
the
clearway
portion
of
the
patio
bottle,
and
how
many
for
the
clearway
I
believe
that
mr.
chair,
approximately
47.
A
Yes,
mr.
chair
I
can't
say
definitively
that
discussions
have
happened
all
but
all
have
been
contacted
to
try
and
arrange
discussions
and
most
have
done
that
with
yes
and
most
have
have
responded.
Okay,
thank
you
that
counts
before
just
to
follow
up
the
talk.
Thank
you
for
being
here
and
I
know
you
don't
show
up
a
committee.
Often
so.
I
certainly
know
that
you're
here,
because
it
impacts
you
directly
and
it's
a
it's
of
concern
to
you
so
appreciate
you
taking
the
time
to
be
here.
A
Is
it
possible
and
I
spoke
to
staff
about
this,
that
it
may
be
a
technicality
but
to
get
a
patio?
Is
it
possible
that
it's
the
general
manager,
a
different
staff
that
actually
goes
in
and
submits
and
it's
under
a
different
name,
because
my
understanding
is
that
there's
not
a
bulk
of
of
patios
that
are
under
one
contact
person.
A
There's
multiple
contact
persons
for
most
of
the
patio,
so
it
is
it
as
it
possible
that
maybe
you
could
work
offline
to
establish
those
contacts
for
each
of
those
encroachments,
because
I
feel
that
that's
what's
happening
here
that
there's
someone
that
goes
and
gets
the
permits
that
puts
their
name
and
you
know
as
you
as
you've,
highlighted
your
your
partner
officer.
There's
a
lot
of
employees
as
well
that
are
that
are
better
involved
in
your
business
as
possible.
A
That
that
would
have
happened
is
produce
all
my
encroachment
permits
are
applied
for
by
one
person,
sue
MacLeod
in
my
office.
She
proves
all
about
with
me.
She
goes
through
the
layouts
and
what
they're
going
to
look
like,
but
at
this
point
we
would
just
be
putting
our
patios
up
sending
in
the
permit
for
the
application,
even
after
the
the
patio
is
up
and
as
far
as
we're
concerned,
the
application
always
a
deal
with
the
fees
and
not
with
the
construction
of
the
patio.
A
A
That's
the
application
process,
and
you
know
I
want
to
say
here
that
we
support
the
idea
of
what's
going
on
here.
We
really
do
support
this
idea.
We
just
don't
think
it's
being
dealt
with
properly
and
there's
not
enough
time
put
into
it
and
it
should
be
done
right
and
then
you
in
the
Bayeux
market
in
particular,
where
there's
going
to
be
a
public
realm
study.
Why
are
we
rushing
all
of
this
I
I?
Don't
understand?
A
Okay,
you
introduce
one
last
question
prieser.
So
in
terms
of
the
de
fer,
are
you
on
the
same
page
as
Miss,
miss
Jennings
that
it
should
be
put
up
to
the
fall
this
year?
Are
you
saying
something
different,
no
I'm
an
including
complete
agreement
with
with
that
idea,
assuming
we
get
results
and
assuming
that
we
actually
get
things
done?
Yes,
yeah
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
sure
what
that
means,
so
we
I
want
to
get
a
deferred
to
the
fall.
But
if
we
haven't
reached
a
resolution
by
the
follow
minutes,
it
should
get
deferred
till
everyone's.
B
A
A
A
Just
want
to
understand
a
little
bit
more
about
what,
when
you
said,
you
had
to
inform
the
matings.
It
just
comes
as
a
surprise
to
me
that
it
would
be
on
an
informal
basis
that
the
city
staff
would
be
reaching
out
to
the
businesses
impacted
by
this
change.
So
we
mean
informal,
you
just
happen
to
be
there
and
didn't.
A
A
B
A
They
were
just
discussions
of
something
that
we
would
like
to
do
so
to
me,
a
formal
meeting
is
where
there's
a
proposal.
You
have
something
in
writing.
You
look
at
it
and
you
make
comments
on
that
exact
thing:
okay,
but
it
has
been
coming
for
a
year,
so
there
has
been
I
did
not
have
that
understanding
as
well.
Did
the
city
staff
send
written
notification
to
the
impact
of
businesses
in
the
last
year
to
all
of
them?
A
Yes,
we
did
following
Council's
approval
of
the
bylaw.
Last
year,
information
was
sent
to
all
the
patio
owners
on
record
at
that
time,
letting
them
know
with
a
new
patio
bylaw
and
what
the
new
requirements
were.
In
addition,
when
we
met
on
site,
we
did
provide
the
placemats
that
show
where
there
were
issues
and
identified
any
ad
s,
non-compliance
for
each
location,
okay,
so
every
single
impacted
patio
has
had
a
written
notification
and
an
on-site
meeting
with
an
an
explanation
of
the
changes
required
on
their
particular
site.
A
Yes,
they
have
well
I
have
to
disagree
with
that
again.
It
doesn't
quite
work
that
way.
If
council
Dean's
once
asked
you
the
question,
sorry
would
you
agree
with
that?
I
disagree
with
that
comment.
I
certainly
believe
we
were
working
in
a
direction
of
coming
up
with
solutions,
but
I
still
don't
see
what
the
solutions
are
I,
where.
A
Staff,
if
they
gave
you
information
that
showed
what
the
changes
would
be
and
they
met
on
site
with
you.
They
talked
about
the
2
meter
clearance.
They
talked
about
how
there
were
things
in
the
way
we
suggested
that
they
get
removed,
we
suggested
them
raising
sidewalks.
There
were
many
suggestions,
there
was
no
talk
of
the
implementation
and
the
timeline
and
that
we
were
working
together
and
all
of
a
sudden.
We
see
this
thing
in
the.
In
fact,
I
just
saw
three
days
ago.
A
In
Ottawa
and
you
had
two
on-site
meetings,
so
is
it
because
the
other
three
facilities
aren't
impacted
by
the
changes
or
well
pack,
the
on-site
meetings
were
we
just
for
the
Byward
market,
and
so
I
really
am
not
aware
of
anywhere
else.
Where
I
may
have
impact
I,
don't
think
I
do
but
I'm
not
aware
of
any.
A
A
About
each
one
had
that's
been
impacted,
yes,
so
then
they
mustn't
be
impacted.
It
says
that
that
would
be
my
assumption,
but
I
without
going
through
the
list
and
knowing
exactly
what
Todd
has
I
can't
definitively
say
that
there
was
something
thank
you:
okay,
juice,
I
fight,
Nader
best
question
may
just
comment
on
that.
Fortunately,
unfortunately
you
can't
come
it's.
It
says.
Church
turn
pass
some
questions,
so
let
me
come
up.
A
Okay,
I
just
said,
because
I'm
trying
to
get
and-
and
you
confuse
me
a
little
bit-
I
thought
it
was
clear,
but
then
something
you
said
confuse
me
I'm
just
trying
to
get
clearly
what
is
being
asked
for
in
terms
of
another
deferral,
because
this
was
deferred
through
2017
at
the
request
of
the
BIA
s
and
businesses.
But
if
you're
asking
for
word
to
full
again
and
I'm
putting
you
on
this
block
because
you're
up
here,
but
you
know,
miss
Jennings
was
up
and
others
will
come
up.
A
A
A
Certainly
want
to
work
with
with
everyone
on
that.
Yes,
so
my
next
question
is
to
staff
is
in
your
recommendations,
then
you're
contemplating
sharing
some
of
that
expense.
Doing
what
we
can.
If
it's
on
our
part
to
move.
You
know,
assign
a
band
if
possible,
but
you
know
ultimately,
is
that
the
business
owners
responsibility
if
we
pass
this
either
today
or
pass
it
today
with
deferring
implementation
till
the
fall.
A
A
Certainly,
we
have
always
been
approaching
us
in
the
spirit
of
collaboration
through
the
work
that
persons
did
and
when
does
team
going
out
and
yes,
the
intention
was
to
carry
that
forward
with
removal
of
city
infrastructure
on
our
side
that
we
can
do
too
up
the
clearway
even
more
okay.
Thank
you.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
Let's
share
just
a
good
question,
so
I
just
want
to
be
absolutely
clear.
A
What
you're
asking
for
here
seems
you're
asking
for
and
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong
as
a
default
of
the
fall
is
fine
as
long
as
we
agree
with
you
at
the
end
of
that.
If
we
want,
if
we
want
to,
if
we
want
to
put
the
viola
in
as
it's
currently
proposed,
which
I
getting
suspicion,
you're
not
crazy
about,
then
a
deferral
to
the
fall
is
not
going
to
solve
your
problem.
I
actually
didn't
say
it
wasn't
raised
about
the
bylaw.
It's
you
know
it
needs
to
be
deferred.
A
So
you
don't
quote
with
the
to
me
to
quit
away
I'm,
not
calling
two
meters
clear
right
now:
okay,
just
because
we
I
think
I
speak
for
all
of
us.
We
we
weren't
sure,
because
some
of
your
comments
seem
to
suggest
you
want
to
work
towards
a
different
bylaw,
a
different
resolution.
No,
that
wasn't
what
I
said.
I
said
we
I
agree
with
the
idea,
and
the
Tarina
were
fine
with
working
it
out
at
the
right
time
and
how
to
work
it
out
is
yeah.
A
Moving
assignment
is
this
I'm
going
to
get
moved
out
of
the
way,
or
do
we
have
to
shrink
our
patio
in
that
area?
That's
those
that's
easy.
I
mean
I
can
answer
that
question
for
you
right
now.
So
if
it's
City
infrastructure,
if
it's
a
sign,
if
it's
a
part
bench,
that's
that's
where
the
other
portion
of
the
recommendations
comes
into
effect,
with
the
money
being
set
aside.
A
So,
if
that's,
if
that's
you're
concerned
about
implementation,
I've
just
answered
your
question,
the
city
well,
city
will
take
care
of
that.
It's
not
going
to
be
on
you!
It's
not
going
to
be
your
obligation.
It's
not
going
to
be
your
cost!
It's
also
the
timing
of
that.
If
you're
going
to
do
it
right
in
the
middle
of
patio
season,
it's
obviously
not
a
time
when
we
would
like
to
see
it,
we
would
like
to
see
all
of
the
implementation
of
that
work.
Wow.
A
That's
that's
a
different
question,
but
thank
you
for
the
clarification.
I,
don't
think,
there's
any
more
questions
for
this
delegation
so
I'm.
Unless,
yes,
sorry,
counselor
cadre,
thanks
for
watching
mr.
chair
and
that's
exactly
what
I
was
trying
to
clarify
is
what
chair
just
said.
If
the
committee
agrees
to
delay
this
total
fall,
what
are
some
of
the
topics
that
you
want
to
put
on
the
table
other
than
the
ones
that
you
already
mentioned?
Are
those
the
only
sub
subject
matters
that
you
want
to
put
on
the
date?
Those
are
my
only
subject.
Matters.
A
A
Good
morning,
well,
maybe
it's
good
afternoon
now
been
here
in
a
while,
but
good
morning
everybody
I'm
Steve
Minich
I
have
a
number
of
businesses
in
the
bioriod
market.
I
also
represent
some
other
organizations,
but
today
I'm
just
representing
as
vice-chair
of
BI
the
Byward
market
and
my
particular
businesses.
A
Obviously
my
presentation,
I
see,
has
there
and
mr.
Brown
have
brought
up
a
lot
of
the
things
so
I,
don't
really
want
to
repeat
those
and
I
want
to
make
sure
I've
got
some
things
into
into
the
record,
and
maybe
the
questions
maybe
ask
me,
but
it
won't
I've
been
going
through
this
patio
thing
for
a
long
time.
I
will
you
know
then,
from
when
I
was
chairman
opiate
everything
we've
you've
seen
me
many
times,
so
maybe
my
thought
of
meetings
is
am
employed
but
I'm,
usually
pretty
good.
So
how
I
remember
the
meetings
happening?
A
Is
we
had
our
meeting
here
last
year
and
it
was
to
be
deferred
to
discuss
about
how
we're
going
to
solve
the
problem
so
like
every
time
and
yowzers
brought
it
up?
We
in
the
Byward
market
may
in
june.
I
want
to
make
sure
everybody
else,
our
busiest
months
and
our
party
as
we've
been
fighting
for
years
and
that's
why
we
loved
new
patio
bylaw
came
out
that
we
could
have
our
patios
up
for
st.
Patty's,
Day
and
especially
for
Easter,
which
is
three
weeks
away
so
again,
right
now
we're
getting
into
that
season.
A
I
want
everybody
realize
that
this
is
not
the
right
time
for
implementations.
So
what
we
understand
last
year
about
doing
these
implementations
was
we're
going
to
talk
about
it
so
from
what
I
remember
is
they
making
it?
They've
got
a
consulting
firm,
which
was
persons
we
did
meet
with
them
in
November
we
talked
about
it,
and
all
they
did
was
ask
those
questions
about
what
we
thought
and
what
we
went,
because
they
were
coming
up
with
some
recommendations.
A
So
that's
really
not
telling
us
what's
going
on
it's
they're
asking
us
our
input,
so
we
give
our
input
then.
Finally,
in
February
they
come
back
and
they
meet
on
the
street.
We've
met
on
a
couple
patios
that
have
problems
or
they
got,
and
we
talked
about
those.
While
are
we
going
to
put
them
in
the
park
in
the
parking
places?
Are
we
not
going
to
put
them
so
again
we're
talking
about
solutions
here?
We
said
no,
what
and
I
remember
asking
this
question
specifically
I
hope
you
guys,
like
I'm
using
for
the
area.
A
I,
remember
this
question.
It
was
like.
So
what
are
you
know?
What
do
we
have
to
do
and
what
are
we
going
to
do?
Well,
our
reports
not
coming
out
for
another
three
weeks,
so
we
still
didn't
know
what
we
were
supposed
to
do
and
we
are
told
the
report
is
coming
out.
So
we
are
still
talking
about
sidewalk
patios
we're
talking
about
parking
lot
park
parking,
so
we
couldn't
really
go
ahead
and
construct
anybody
owes
without
this
report
coming
out
so
again,
I
think
we
all
sort
of
agree
with
this
report.
A
We
agree
that
we
want
to
make
our
patios
handicap
accessible.
We
agree
with
the
two
meters,
but
we
weren't
of
what
we
are
going
to
have
to
do
like
again.
How
do
we
know
there
are
patios
meet
the
two
media
requirements
when
we
don't
know
what
infrastructure
can
be
moved
yet,
like
we
don't
know
they
haven't
said:
oh
this
week,
this
sign
can
be
moved
and
just
to
go
back
and
get
in
the
back
that
we've
been
going
over
this
for
a
long
time.
A
We
started
this
in
2008
with
a
parking
study
we
identified
especially
around
where
most
of
these
patios
are
there's
the
best
curbs
that
are
easily
fixed
and
their
sidewalks.
That
can
be
right
in
there.
These
are
things
that
we
started
in
2008,
with
the
parking
study
with
the
PBS
study
and
now
we're
going
into
public
realm
study
again
like
this
is
been
10
years
of
going
on,
where
we
can
solve
these
problems
by
and
we've
agreed
with
the
BIA
and
the
businesses
to
widen
the
sidewalks.
A
A
So,
just
so,
I
understand,
you're
wearing
two
hats
here:
you're
vice
chair,
but
you're
also
a
very
involved
business
owner,
obviously,
and
both
in
the
in
the
market
area
and
in
this
sphere
of
business
period.
So
I
guess
what
I'm
looking
for
some
clarification.
So
what
I'm
thinking
is
I
would
like
very
much,
and
there
was
just
chatting
with
councilor
Audrey
about
this
again
in
his
role
on
the
accessibility
piece.
A
What
we
would
like
to
see
is
the
bylaw
passed
today
with
the
2
meter,
clearway
and
everything
else
that
goes
along
with
that
pass
today.
Okay,
I
think
we're
open
to
a
discussion
around
when
you
have
to
get
the
work
done
and-
and
we
can
talk
about
the
incidence
of
that
wist
Apple
and
nice
things
about
this
meeting
and
this
time
of
years,
there's
a
bit
more
of
a
break
than
a
week
before
the
next
council
meeting.
A
A
question
Street
or
wherever
it
is
so
I
think
what
we
like
to
see
is
the
bio
law
passed
today,
so
we're
not
getting
into
when
we
talk
about
implementing
and
the
forward
somewhat
way
today
we're
not
getting
into
discussion
with
with
someone
such
as
yourself
about
well.
Is
it
really
one
point?
A
is
a
one
point,
six
there's
a
one
point:
four.
We
want
that
solid,
but
I
think
staff
is
open
to
the
idea
of
construction
or
implementation
at
a
somewhat
later
date.
To
give
you
some
time
to
get
your
plans
together
to
me.
A
Fall
really
means
next
spring,
because
most
most
patios
don't
carry
through
to
the
winter
construction.
Construction
in
the
fall,
but
I
would
I
would
want
and
I
look
the
staff
and
I
look
to
you.
It's
sort
of
a
question
to
both
you
I
would
want
to
do
something
today
that
a
recognizes
the
substantive
work
done,
which
is
what
the
appropriate
measurements
are
to
create.
A
The
clear
ways
approved
today
and
I
would
also
like
something
in
place
whereby
none
of
all
the
businesses
here
we
have
a
number
of
the
BIA-
is
represented
of
them,
something
that
recognizes
that
you've
got
to
get
your
act
together,
so
to
speak
and
I
use
that
collectively
city
and
this
year,
so
we're
not
going
into
the
spring,
where
we're
still
discussing
whether
or
not
your
patio
might
or
may
not
comply
weather.
So
that's
that's
what
I
mean
you're
nodding
your
head,
so
it
sounds
like
keep
that
construct
works.
A
If
it's
a
question
like
that's
what
we
sort
of
thought,
we
can
have
this
reading
last
February
that
we
would
go
through
the
summer.
We
talked
about
everything
and
then
by
November
we
would
have
come
up
with
some
solution
and
say
all
of
our
applications
for
the
new
construction
of
the
patio
and
the
ramps,
and
everything
would
have
to
be
in
by
late
December
January.
Then
it
would
give
them
time
to
approve
them.
A
Different
explanation,
because
why
I
heard
before
was
you're
going
to
build
in
the
fall?
That's
what
I
heard
from
your
colleagues
and
now
you're
saying
that
we're
going
to
build
next
February
well
I
want
a
solution
to
finish
this
year,
yeah.
But
what
I'm
saying
is
in
October
they're
going
to
be
removed
like
we
can't
do
construction,
but
in
the
middle
of
August
we're
going
to
take
our
patio
down
and
reconstruct
it
going
I.
Just
that's
not
feasible.
That's
it
all.
I'm
saying
like
you
know:
they're
not.
B
B
A
So
they
ask
you
for
deferral
to
the
fall
to
read
to
reconstruct
our
patios.
If
we
do
it
over
the
summer,
so
we
will
reconstruct
them
in
the
fall
yes
eat.
What
I'm
saying
is
they're
going
to
come
up
in
the
fall?
Most
them
will
come
up
in
the
fall.
They'll
be
gone
in
October
right,
so
so
either.
If
you
leave
it
in
October,
you
got
to
comply
or
when
you
have
it
added
again.
Next
April
you
have
to
combine.
Ok,
ok,
ok,.
A
A
A
A
B
A
Good
with
all
that,
I
think
this
sounds
like
a
reasonable
approach,
but
just
to
be
clear,
we
will
be
passing
today
the
plan.
So
that's
not
going
to
be
up
for
discussion
in
the
coming
months.
The
plan
is
the
plan
right.
That's
the
way,
I
feel
like
we,
the
measurement
or
what
we
think
are
best,
so
we're
going
to
stick
with
those
measures
going
to
stick
with
the
plan.
We'll
have
some
flexibility
on
implementation.
I
think
it's
fine.
A
I
would
like
to
hear
from
you
on
this
point
because
thank
you,
mister
chair
now
you
know
I'm
most
supportive.
With
that
suggestion,
that's
been
made
on
the
table.
The
question
I
have
for
staff.
First
of
all,
question
back
to
you,
mr.
chair,
how
many
more
public
delegations
are
left
after
mr.
Manik
he
saved
the
best
for
last.
A
So
the
reason
why
I
asked
that
question
is
that
don't
want
another
delegation
coming
up
with
it.
You
know
different
point
of
view.
Having
said
that,
to
want
a
staff,
what
does
that
delay
in
implementation
due
to
the
AODA
requirements
from
excessively
perspective?
If
anything,
mr.
chair
Lou,
excuse
me,
there
would
be
no
repercussions
with
respect
to
the
city's
compliance
with
the
AODA
of
the
deferral
were
granted
in
that
regard,
all
right.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
You,
mr.
A
chair
and
I
do
support
that
program
going
forward
and
see
a
lot
of
nodding
around
the
table.
What
I'm,
not
sure,
is
whether
staff
we
need
to
take
a
break
for
staff
to
sit
down
and
craft
some
language
that
captures
this,
because
the
current
recommendations
don't
do
what
we
want.
We
want
to
pass
the
bylaw
today.
A
We
want
to
defer
implementation,
want
to
put
some
dates
around
December
as
to
whether,
when
those
deemed
complete,
if
you
will
for
accurate
term
applications
are
in
so
do
you
need
do
you
need
do
we
need
to
take
15
minutes?
Maybe
she
talked
to
legal
and
clerks
to
work
out
some
language.
Yes,
have
you
appreciated
your.
A
A
A
I'm
going
to
verbally
explain
what
the
revised
recommendation
is
proposed
to
be
I
will
invite
staff
to
jump
in
if
I
get
any
of
it
wrong
and
again,
we
can
certainly
still
have
debate
about
what
the
the
current
proposal
will
be.
Questions
to
staff
for
clarification,
so
I'll
run
through
what
my
understanding
of
the
report
recommendations
are
going
to
be,
and.
A
Again,
Court
I
invite
you,
if
I
get
any
of
that
wrong
to
to.
Let
me
know
and
inquire
if
I,
so
the
essence
of
what
we're
what
we've
come
up
with
here
is
a
bit
of
a
hybrid.
So
today
we
would,
we
would
pass
the
substantive
portion
of
the
bylaw,
so
we
would
pass
the
bylaw
in
terms
of
the
different
measurements
that
we've
talked
about,
so
just
so
that
it's
crystal
clear
for
all
the
business
people.
A
If
they
were
not
going
to
be
getting
into
discussions
with
you
about
whether
two
meter
coil
a
is
right
or
not.
Okay,
we're
going
to
pass
that
today.
I
hope,
I
think
the
rules
there
to
do
that.
What
we
will
change
or
modify
the
proposal
is
the
implementation
of
that
recommendation,
and
so
a
couple
of
a
couple
providers
around
that.
A
So
we
talked
about
the
fall
various
business
owners
that
had
raised
the
Obi
is
a
raise,
the
issue
of
the
fall,
and
then
there
was
some
discussion
about
whether
if
that
meant
being
built
in
the
fall
being
designed
in
the
fall
or
what
have
you.
So
if
you
recall,
we
switch
to
more
than
a
notes
going
out
the
lights.
A
If
the
the
delay
in
implementation
would
not
apply
to
any
new
patio
applications.
If
you're
an
existing
business
asking
for
new
patio
or
a
brand-new
business
asking
for
a
patio,
you
will
have
to
comply
with
the
to
me
or
clear
way
and
everything
that
goes
with
that
staff.
Will
we
will
pass
the
portion
of
the
recommendations
as
it
stands,
with
the
funding
to
deal
with
city
infrastructure
and
staff
will
endeavor
to
have
all
city
infrastructure
that
we
can
remove
removed
in
2018.
So
that's
garbage
cans
or
street
signs.
A
If
you
are
in
doubt-
and
please
pass
this
on
to
your
constituent
businesses,
if
you
are
in
doubt
in
any
way
in
looking
at
your
plans,
well,
what
do
I
do,
because
that
garbage
can
is
there?
It's
not
been
moved
pick
up.
The
phone
call,
staff
and
staff
will
confirm
either
that,
yes,
it
will
be
removed
by
construction
season
for
spring
of
2019
or
for
some
reason
we
can't
remove
it.
A
For
example,
if
it's
a
tree,
we're
not
likely
going
to
want
to
remove
a
tree
sort
of
thing
so,
but
pick
up
the
phone
be
proactive,
because
the
date
of
October
31st
is
still
going
to
apply
to
you.
I
think
I
covered
everything.
Staff
is
sort
of
wordsmithing,
but
everything
else
in
the
report
would
stay
the
same.
The
way
we
with
regard
to
to
4:30
4:30
four-and-a-half
Preston
would
stay
in
place.
No
change
for
that,
so
really
the
bylaw,
which
would
change
as
a
well
as
of
council
voting
on
it.
A
But
hopefully
we
would
passed
out
today
with
the
recommendations
and
staff
on
measurements.
It's
really
just
the
implementation
would
change
until
October
the
31st,
the
the
discount
we
talked
about
will
also
stay
in
effect.
But
again
you
have
to
get
your
application
in
approved
application
in
this
year.
So
again,
that's
by
October
31st.
In
no
way
are
we
asking
or
suggesting,
if
you
think
you
can
comply
by
spring-
and
we
know
there
are
some
businesses
that
staff
and
we're
working
with
that
are
going
to
be
able
to
comply.
Please
go
ahead
and
do
it.
A
A
If
there's
any
any
potential
City
impediments
that
will
sort
of
go
to
the
top
of
the
list
in
terms
of
getting
those
garbage
cancer
park
benches
or
whatever
they
are
out
of
the
way
versus
the
ones,
the
individuals
have
been
awake
for
the
later
date
of
October
to
the
31st,
so
did
I
get
all
that
right.
Court
most
wait.
A
Mr.
chair
malla
geez,
we
were
just
discussing
at
the
end
there,
but
one
thing
we
we
wanted
to
clarify
was
the
proposed
for
your
reduction
and
what
would
be
with
respect
to
those
who
apply
for
a
summer
patio
permit
this
year
and
comply
with
the
bylaw.
Make
modifications
to
that
effect?
Not
for
those
who
get
an
application
on
this
year
for
the
2019
season.
A
A
A
B
A
Hear
what
you're
saying
I
just
but
we're
modifying
the
reports
on
what
so
I'm
open
to
discussion
again,
our
whole
thing
is
I.
Just
don't
think
that
it's
possible
right
now
to
get
plans
and
get
everything
done
in
two
weeks
and
get
it
in
by
April.
First
I
think
by
the
deadline
that
you're
talking
about
if
everybody
gets
it
in
by
then
I
think
that
should
apply
I
agree
it
next
year.
You
know
this
is
I,
understand
you.
A
You've
done
this
for
the
budget
for
this
year
and
you'd
have
to
go
to
budget
next
year
that
I'm
hoping
that
it
would
apply
to
anybody
that
can
get
it
done
by
this
year.
Sorry,
so
at
that,
that's
actually
a
very
practical
question.
So
from
from
a
finance
budgetary
perspective,
what
does
that
do
to
you
if
some
discount,
a
few
rules
provide
addition
and
some
discounts
provided
into
the
into
the
next
the
next
fiscal
year
so
chair?
We
did
not
have
these
funds
budgeted
for
this
year.
A
So
the
recommendations
that
were
before
you
today
were
an
approximate
upwards
to
$70,000
impact
on
our
revenues.
So
that's
why
we
were
asking
for
one
foreseen
funds
from
Council
to
offset
a
revenue
loss,
because
we
presented
a
budget
to
Council
that
we
have
to
course
realize
our
revenue
targets,
so
we
had
only
forecasted
permitting
this
till
the
end
of
the
summer
season
this
year.
A
So
what
I
think
what
I'm
hearing
from
the
delegation
and
from
members
of
councils
is
a
desire
to
offer
that
incentive
this
summer
season
and
that
if
there
was
a
patio,
a
bunch
of
value
that
operated
in
November
and
December
of
this
year,
that
the
discount
would
also
applies
would
be
a
calendar
year
discount
rather
than
just
a
seasonal
discount,
but
that
for
2019
there
would
be
no
discount
offered
well
I
again,
I'm,
not
sure
that
that's
well.
What
mr.
A
Minnick
is
suggesting
I
think
what
he's
suggesting
is,
if
you
not
saying
I,
agree
with
them,
but
I
think
so.
We're
having
the
same
conversation
I
think
what
you're
suggesting
is.
If
you
comply
and
build
in
2018,
as
some
might
do
you
get
the
discount
equally,
if
you
get
your
application
in
which
which
would
comply
for
2019,
you
also
get
the
discount.
Is
that
what
you're
suggesting
miss
Turner
sure?
But
if
it's
going
to
be
a
big
problem,
I
would
think
that
would
be
fair.
Yes,
okay,
so
we're
talking
two
different
things
here.
A
A
Yeah
and
again,
I
don't
want
to
bring
something
else
up,
but
then
again
I
don't
know
the
budget,
but
the
budget
was
supposed
to
be
how
the
the
revenues
for
the
for
the
four
years
of
council
great
for
the
patios,
the
chair,
the
patio
firm
peas,
were
patio
from
it.
Patio
permit
fees
were
reduced
by
twenty
two
percent
last
year
and
then
they're
increasing,
based
on
the
forming
that
council
adopted
I
believe
it
was
two
or
three
years
ago
that
rises
roughly
with
the
rate
of
inflation.
A
But
the
question
I'm
asking
I
think
is,
is
pretty
basic.
You,
you
probably
have
a
plan
which
says
if
you
comply
well,
we
want
you
to
comply
this
year.
We
like
you,
comply
in
the
spring,
as
your
current
report
reads,
and
in
order
to
do
that,
we're
going
to
offer
you
a
25%
discount,
so
I
think
the
question
some
of
the
councillors
have
around
the
horseshoe
here
is:
can
that
this
can't
be
split.
A
Can
you
also
get
get
a
discount?
Yes,
if
that's,
if
that's
council's
will
chair,
we
can
certainly
bring
this
forward
as
part
of
the
2019
budget
funding
that
would
allow
for
a
2019
incentive
to
carry
forward
well
I'm.
Thinking
of
a
way
you
might
be
able
to
do
without
having
to
do
that.
So
if,
if
you're
a
non-compliant
patio
now
as
of
April,
you
pay
your
full
fee.
A
If
you
get
your
application
in
in
2002
or
31st
for
the
next
season
and
it
is
compliant,
then
we
refund
you
25%
back
out
of
this
budget
year,
so
we're
not
touching
next
year's
budget
year.
You
don't
have
to
bring
any
further
requests
for
money.
It's
all
still
within
this
budget
year
that
work,
I'm
sure
I,
keep
it
simple.
I'd
like
to
confer
with
my
finance
colleagues
who
are
here
today:
cherubs
are
between
now
and
council.
Certainly
I'll
seek
that
clarification,
but
in
principle
I
think
that
works.
A
So
ok,
so
let's
do
this,
then,
if
I
might
make
a
suggestion,
we
pass
it
as
you
first
suggest
it.
You've
got
to
be
within
this
year,
but
with
the
proviso
that
you're
going
to
find
out
whether
what
I
just
suggested
is
a
doable
thing
or
not.
If
it
is,
we
can
amend
when
it
comes
to
council
and
I,
think
that
would
meet
everybody's
we're
doing
our
due
diligence,
we're
asking
the
right
questions
and
maybe
we're
not
asking
the
right
questions
so
councillor
Flay.
So
mr.
A
chair,
just
to
clarify
you've
articulated
a
position
which
I'm
the
framework
that
we're
voting
on
which
I'm
very
comfortable
with
I
do
have.
We
were
getting
caught
in
the
semantics
and
it's
very
relevant.
So
let's
finish
that
conversation,
but
on
the
report,
I
have
things
that
I
want
to
put
on
record.
So
am
I
doing
both
right
now?
You
know:
can
we
can
we
wrap
up
the
conversation
as
to
what
we're
voting
on
and
then
ask
sure
I'm
sure
sure,
I'm,
I'm,
hoping
I,
don't
know
taffey?
B
A
Missus,
okay,
so
while
we
put
that
up
on
the
screen,
so
everybody
can
see
it
and
so
and
that
that
takes
into
account
Court's
original
proposal
on
the
dollars.
Do
we
have
to
put
something
in
there
that
says
we're
putting
off
that
discussion
or
that's
just
by
direction
to
them
to
talk
to
finance
free
now
and
that's
just
direction.
I
think
right!
Yeah.
A
Right
now,
what's
on,
the
screen
is
what
we
would
be
asked
to
vote
on.
This
modification
is
what
we'd
be
asked
to
vote
on,
so
it
should.
It
say
it's
coming.
It's
coming
very.
So,
while
we're
waiting
for
that
I,
can
I
all
questions
a
snapshot,
yeah
and
I
want
to
present.
Maybe
what
this
does
so
we
have
81
patios
that
are
in
the
right
of
way
we're
asking
the
81
owners
to
comply.
We
have
two
brackets
of
financial
incentives
that
are
available
for
those
owners.
A
This
year
we
have
physical
changes
that
the
city
can
do
to
make
them
compliant
with
the
2
meter
clearway
check,
we
have
an
opportunity
for
relief
for
the
change
financial
relief
as
part
of
their
application
for
their
patio
component.
So
two
financial
incentives
that
are
available
to
the
81,
right-of-way
patios
or
any
new
ones
that
will
come
in
any
new
ones,
will
be
compliant
as
they
come
in
we're
asking
that
the
81
be
compliant
as
soon
as
possible
this
year.
A
For
those
who
don't
need
the
summer
period,
I
would
say
November
1st,
because
I
know
that
Halloween
will
be
patios
are
up
for
Halloween.
So
in
my
mind,
that
would
be
a
small
amendment
to
do
November
first,
so
then
we
don't
get
caught
in
another
semantic
issue
and
then
the
other
pieces
I
don't
want
someone
to
have
the
relief
for
their
summer
patios
if
they
didn't
meet
the
accessibility
and
clearly
patio
so
I,
don't
know
how
we
do
it.
A
I
really
don't
mind
to
me
that
the
full
2018
period
should
be
available
for
those
who
comply.
That
I,
just
don't
want
to
do
a
back
incentive
for
someone
that
didn't
comply
in
the
period.
That
would
be
a
weird
incentive
to
create.
So
as
per
what
the
chair
presented,
I'm,
certainly
comfortable,
and
then
for
our
media
and
for
those
who
are
listening,
I
thought
is
everything
is
important
to
present.
What's
out
there,
so
people
please
comply
and
then
here
are
the
two
financial
components
and
by
the
way
this
you
know
we
did
push
that
back.
A
It
should
have
been
implemented
in
2017.
We
recognize
that
on
both
sides,
we
didn't
have
the
resources
businesses
at
the
focus
on
and
for
the
events
for
2017.
But
this
is
not
a
new
measure
that
bringing
forward
today
we're
just
working
through
the
implementation
period.
So,
on
my
end,
you
know
I'm
very
comfortable
with
what
you're
saying,
but
I
hope
that
the
November
first
can
be
an
amendment
and
I
hope
that
no
business
can
be
can
receive
a
relief
if
they
didn't
comply
during
that
period.
A
So,
with
what
you
and
counts
before
you
are
saying
is:
if
you
don't
get
your,
if
you
don't
get
your
plans
in
and
approved
and
built
for
the
spring
season,
you
don't
get
a
reduction.
No,
that's
not
what
I'm
saying!
No!
That's
all
I'm
saying
so.
Let's
say
your
patio
is
a
thousand
bucks
just
round
it
up,
and
you
pay
that
for
the
summer
and
spring
period
you
didn't
comply
with
the
clearway
and
accessible
regulations,
so
you're
not
getting
25
percent
off
that
then
you
come
in
for
your
winter
patio
permit
there's
another
fee.
A
That's
there!
Maybe
it's
a
hundred
bucks
because
it's
low
in
the
winter.
You
got
to
comply
with
that.
So
we
can
give
you
on
the
relief
for
that
one
hundred
bucks,
but
we're
not
going
to
give
you
a
relief
for
the
thousand
dollars
which
you
didn't
comply
with.
Their
relief
I
have
no
problem
that
the
relief
applies,
but
I
want
the
relief
to
apply
to
the
period
by
which
it
actually
the
change
was
implemented.
A
Okay,
I
think.
What
my
concern
is
is
that
you
know
we
need
to
make
sure
that
the
folks
sorry
I've
got
patios
in
in
this.
In
my
ward
as
well,
and
for
the
folks
who
I
mean
we
have
known
this
is
coming
and
I
get
that
you
know
we
it's
difficult
to
come
with
a
recommendation
of
final
recommendation.
Ask
people
to
comply
within
a
few
weeks,
I
understand
that,
but
there
has
to
be
some
incentive
for
those
folks
who
will
comply
today.
Who
will
go
out?
Who
will
change
the
design
of
the
patio?
A
Who
will
you
know
who
thought
that
through
who
have
spent
that
extra
money
and
time
we
have
to
incentivize
them
to
so
I
think
if
what
we
are
saying
is
I'm
on
November
1st,
if
you
come
in
with
a
plan
for
2019,
we'll
give
you
an
incentive,
but
that's
that's
a
whole
other
year
right.
So
why
would
I
today,
as
a
patio
owner
bother-
and
you
know
we
do
have
you
know
a
very
clear
responsibility
to
pedestrians,
to
persons
with
disabilities?
A
A
fair
point:
I
can
see
the
logic
of
that
and
I
see
the
sense
of
that.
That's
fair
point,
any
other
any
other
questions
and
that
doesn't
include
you
Steve,
okay,
councillor
I,
hope
it
will
bring
clarity
rather
than
confuse
things
more
here.
I
think
what
we're
hearing
from
those
who
spoken
here
is
really
an
incentive
or
a
discount
is
meant
to
incent,
don't
like
to
use
that
as
a
verb,
the
right
behavior,
the
good
behavior,
the
direction
that
we
want
to
move
in.
A
So
it
would
be
perverse
if
someone
was
able
to
delay
constructing
a
patio
for
this
season.
Saying
oh
dear
I,
couldn't
do
it
in
time,
but
I'd
love
to
get
that
discount
again
next
year
that
the
discount
really
has
to
be
to
motivate
people
to
try
to
comply
for
this
year.
If
they
can't
I,
don't
want
to
unnecessarily
use
a
stick
and
say
bad:
we're
going
to
punish
you,
but
rather
okay,
you're
not
going
to
get
that
reward
disc
help
for
it.
A
So,
there's
enough
complicated
moving
parts
that
the
spring
summer,
the
winter,
that
I
think
what
we're
looking
for
is
to
give
direction
to
staff
they're
coming
back
at
the
council
meeting
to
essentially
lay
out
the
muddled
sort
of
direction,
we're
trying
to
give
them
with
numbers
with
dates.
If
that
is
the
will
of
the
committee
in
a
way
that
I've
just
described
it,
you
know,
offer
the
incentive
to
try
and
comply,
don't
reward
unnecessary
delay,
but
also
don't
unnecessarily
punish.
B
A
Thank
You
mr.
chair
and
just
on
the
mr.
monarch
and
I
was
sharing
some
conversation
during
the
break
and
I
just
want
to
know
why.
Mr.
Manik,
with
all
the
great
ideas
that
you
have
Steve,
why
would
you
wait
till
the
last
minute
to
bring
this
to
the
table
so
what
yeah
iid
try
to
work
with
staff
and
I
know?
You
know
something
is
telling
me
that
I
should
call
and
talk
to
you
and
it
is.
But
honestly,
I've
had
these
ideas
for
forever
like
when
the
parking
thing
came
up.
A
I've
talked
about,
you
know,
riding
sidewalks.
It
continues
to
get
and
I
don't
want
to
take
up
more
of
your
time.
But
since
you
asked
a
question,
the
only
thing
I'm
going
to
say
is
as
businessperson.
We
don't
like
to
give
up
the
money
and
you
have
125
Americ
and
it
doesn't
have
to
go
to
the
businesses.
Don't
lose
that
if
you
can
move
infrastructure
with
it
like
just
that
amount
to
say
the
businesses,
don't
use
that
50
grand.
A
If
you
can
do
what
you
want
to
do
and
make
it
accessible
for
people,
and
you
need
that
money
for
infrastructure,
then
don't
give
it
to
us
at
least
use
it
and
use
it
for
infrastructure.
That's
all
I
was
going
to
say
and
and
and
I
and
I
think
that's
clearly
the
intent.
If
we
get
our
garbage
can
where
it
shouldn't
be,
or
a
street
sign,
and
it's
movable
then
we're
going
to
do
as
much
as
we
can.
That's
that's,
certainly
a
intent.
A
A
There
was
a
change
at
sub
two,
so
it
now
should
read
as
sixty
two
sub
two
despite
subsection
one
subsections,
five
two
and
causes
a
B
and
E
of
subsection
5
four
will
only
come
into
force
on
October,
31st
2018,
with
respect
to
any
pre-existing
front,
curb
side
or
street
side
patio
or
cafe,
seating
patio
for
which
approval
is
granted
by
the
city
prior
to
the
coming
into
force
of
this
bylaw.
So
those
are
the
only
changes
in
terms
of
the
context,
the
report
so
a
councillor
cash.
You
have
a
question
for
staff.
A
I
just
wanted
you
to
know
what
you
were
asking
question
about.
Yeah
thanks
sure.
Can
you
explain
give
me
the
context
about
the
pub
italia
exemption
and
why
we're
giving
them
that
exemption?
I
know
they
came
here
last
year
and
they
have
a
history
with
that.
But
why
are
we
exempting
them
from
the
2
meter
clearance
there
and
are
there
any
others
who
have
approached
us
about
that.
A
Mr.
chair
staff
has
employed
that
recommendation
because
of
the
fact
that
it
was
granted
by
Council
in
2012,
and
there
has
been
no
change
other
than
the
fact
that
we
have
instituted
a
different
bile
under
which
that
patio
is
controlled.
The
patio
management's
current
location
and
mrs.
Ellyn
also
at
a
recognition
of
the
unique
circumstances
that
you
alluded
to.
Counselor
revolving
around
our
patio
in
particular,
and
to
my
knowledge,
no
other
patios.
The
owners
have
approached
us
specifically
to
request
a
waiver.
So
what?
What
does
that
mean
in
terms?
A
Have
you
guys
done
a
site
visit
there,
and
what
does
that
mean
in
terms
of
having
you
know,
people
in
wheelchairs
or
other
sort
of
accessibility
for
that
stretch
of
Preston
mr.
chair?
What
I
will
do?
Is
we
flip
to
further
slides?
We
have
here
the
it's
difficult
that
doesn't
present
it
very
well,
unfortunately,
but
it's
meant
to
show
the
pinch
points
along
the
pedestrian
clear
way
in
front
of
a
Battaglia
and
what
I
would
do.
A
Is
direct
committee
to
the
number
two
point:
nine
three
which
is
sort
of
to
the
left
near
the
building
line
right
here,
and
that
is
that
is
the
general
width
of
the
sidewalk
there,
but
for
the
deep
inch
points
with
trees,
there
are
some
benches
that,
as
the
discussion
is
going
to
morning,
we'll
be
looking
to
move
as
well
as
the
public
art
so
on
the
whole
for
the
most
part,
the
pedestrian.
Clearly,
there
is
over
two
meters
wide
it's
just
in
these
limited
instances
for
that
very
brief.
A
So
elegant
is
special
case
in
that
we
will
be
redesigning
rebuilding
Elgon
in
2019,
so
the
elegant
businesses
are
due
to
something
we
we
discussed
and
passed
earlier
are
exempt
from
this
bylaw
until
after
the
work
is
done
in
Elgon
Street,
when
the
work
is
done
on
Elgon
Street
will
be
designed
in
such
a
way
that
essentially
everybody
will
be
compliant.
So
that's
that's
why
elegant
elegant
Street
is
not
specifically
mentioned.
We
dealt
with
that
before
and
it's
contingent
on
the
work.
A
That's
going
to
redesign
work
when
that
we
design
work
has
been
done,
will
will
constructed
the
sidewalks
and
the
road
in
such
a
way
that
that
clear
way
will
be
there.
Okay,
so
outside
of
the
the
ones
that
were
here
last
year
from
Elgon
as
well
as
pub
Battaglia
there's
nobody
else.
That's
requested
an
exemption
or
asked
us
with
concerns,
but
in
that
regard
no
mr.
chair,
okay,
okay,
Thank
You,
chair.
A
Cats
reported
hey
mr.
chair
and
again
I'm,
bringing
up
the
conversation
to
the
report
level.
I,
there's
three
elements
that
I
discussed
with
staff,
but
I
just
want
to
make
for
public
record
first
one
being
relating
to
zoning
infraction
so
if,
if
a,
if
a
patio
owner
would
have
come
in
and
ask
for
the
right-of-way
application,
that
was
an
infraction
of
our
zoning
thinking,
specifically
of
the
market,
those
who
aren't
allowed
to
be
nightclubs
and
bars,
we
could
restrict
them
getting
that
that
access
is
that
correct.
A
Mr.
chair,
the
the
bylaw
gives
the
authority
of
the
general
manager
to
impose
conditions
with
respect
to
the
permit,
and
one
of
those
conditions
that
could
be
imposed
is
that
the
Associated
business,
the
business
associated
with
the
patio
sorry,
is
undertaking
a
use
that
is
permitted
under
the
zoning
bylaw
to
are
another
one.
So
too
often
we
we
have
like
I'm
sorry,
but
I'll
move
the
a-frame
issue
which
a
frames
come
and
impede.
A
Often,
on
that
2
meter
clear
way,
can
you
clarify
what
was
done
as
part
of
this
bar
law
to
ensure
that
when
we
talk
about
a
2
meter
clear
way,
the
business
is
also
responsible
if
they
put
an
a-frame
in
that
2
meter
clear
way
and
have
a
patio,
you
know
they
have
that
responsibility.
However,
we
are
able
to
enforce
that
as
part
of
these
are
these
efforts.
A
Mr.
chair,
the
the
pedestrian
clearly
by
definition,
is
a
clear
and
undercover
area,
and
with
that
comes
the
ability
to
enforce
the
requirement
to
provide
it,
and
as
such
we
can
require
high
waters,
whether
it
be
through
the
revocation
of
permit
for
non-compliance
with
the
bylaw
or
through
a
regulatory
charge,
to
ensure
that
it
is
kept
clear
and
in
addition
to
that,
there's
also
an
educational
component.
The
Rena
take
would
be
patty
owners.
So
we
make
sure
that
they're
aware
of
the
responsibilities
and
the
fact
that
these
areas
need
to
be
maintained
and
kept
clear.
A
So
we
we
certainly
hope
that
it
doesn't
come
to
the
level
of
enforcement
and
that
we
can
deal
with
this
through
through
education
and
proactive
measures
in
conjunction
with
the
patty
owners,
totally
agree.
But
if
there
were
non-compliant
situations
for
time
and
time
again,
we
would
have
the
tools
to
enforce
as
part
of
those
bah.
Yes,
mr.
chair,
thank
you
and
the
final
one
is
for
areas
fairly
as
I
credo
Street,
where
we
want
to
protect
a
right
or
a
wider
right-of-way
than
two
meters.
A
A
Mr.
chair
is,
you
may
recall
us
from
the
report
last
year
that
as
breadless
all
exercise,
that
it
would
be
a
design
review
team
made
up
of
city
staff
and
experts
and
their
various
fields
relevant
to
the
pedestrian
clear
way
and
those
those
individuals
will
be
looking
at
how
we
can
have
white
or
clear
ways
in
areas
where
such
would
be
required.
Based
on
the
level
destron
traffic.
The
bylaw
itself
is
set
up,
such
that
the
divestment
clearly
requirement
for
two
leaders
is
a
minimum.
A
It
does
not
absolute
so
there
are
opportunities
and
the
authorities
in
place
to
require,
where
necessary,
a
wider,
clear
way
in
front
of
businesses
or
patio.
So
she's
heard.
Thank
you
so
much
for
that.
I
just
want
to
speak
in
favor
of
the
report.
I
know
that
staff
have
done
a
lot
of
work.
We
we
in
our
city
celebrate
patios.
They
they
make
for
the
time
of
year
that
we
all
enjoy,
which
is
the
warmer
weather
than
I
Sun.
A
They
they
play
an
important
role
in
the
public
realm
improvements
and
I'm
happy
to
see
that
these
standards
apply
equally
to
every
business
so
that
we
can.
We
can
get
a
conformity,
a
standard,
that's
in
place
across
the
city,
for
our
Main
streets.
We
want
to
encourage
businesses
to
work
when
they
are
tougher
options
on
their
variety
of
options
that
you've
proposed
that
it
be
the
street
side
spots.
A
That
would
be
the
boardwalk
that
it'd
be
the
you
know,
changing
me
up
the
approach
to
maybe
not
using
a
platform,
so
I
want
to
to
applaud
the
tema
in
front
of
us
for
further
work
and
I
want
to
thank
a
business
community
for
continuing
to
invest
in
our
Main
streets
and
and
making
them
very
desirable
for
for
residents
and
cancer.
Any
other
questions
for
staff.
Any
comments
on
the
court
counselor
coffee.
Thank
you
very
much
mr.
chair
and
just
coming
back
to
staff
in
terms
of
want
to
just
put
it
on
the
record.
A
I
know
it's
in
part
of
the
report
in
terms
of
new
patios
coming
online,
whether
it
be
this
year
or
next
year,
they
would
have
to
abide
by
these
rules
and
regulations.
If
committee
was
so
passes
today,
that's
correct
mr.
chair,
okay,
and
that
includes
the
two
meter
read
away
that
includes
every
requirement
of
bylaw,
including
the
2
meter,
pedestrian,
clearly
requirement
all
right.
Thank
you.
The
reason
I
mentioned
those
mr.
chair
isn't
through
the
excessively
Advisory
Committee.
A
That
was
one
of
the
important
points
that
was
raised
at
committee
to
make
sure
that
the
exemptions
don't
apply
to
anybody
new
coming
online
as
well
as
that
2
meter
was
a
key
factor
for
the
accessibility,
Advisory
Committee,
as
the
accessibility
devices
are
changing
from
day
to
day
with
new
technology
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
Having
said
all
that,
mr.
A
chair
I
want
to
thank
you,
as
well
as
staff,
on
what
I
consider
to
be
a
well
formatted
report
and
well
conducted
surveys
through
the
business
community
as
well
as
other
partners
like
the
accessibility,
Advisory
Committee
I
want
to
make
sure
that
this
money,
we
don't
leave
the
table
and
suggesting
or
thinking
that
staff
didn't
do
their
work.
Consulting
with
the
businesses
I
think
staff
did
a
great
job
consulting
with
the
businesses.
A
Maybe
the
issue
this
morning
is
the
time
factor
the
time
to
allow
them
to
adapt
to
these
changes
that
more
of
an
issue
rather
than
the
fact
that
we
as
staff,
didn't
consult
with
the
community,
so
our
business
community,
so
I
want
to
thank
you
for
that.
I
do
want
to
thank
the
business
community
also
in
terms
of
working
with
us,
because
it's
a
difficult
boil.
As
mr.
A
Manik
mentioned,
it's
been
a
you
know,
I
know
in
process
for
a
long
time
and
I'm
finding
to
see
it
great
to
see
it
coming
to
fruition
today,
and
thank
you
very
much
mr.
chair
Thank,
You
cancer
and
your
efforts
on
this
report
as
well.
Are
there
any
other
questions?
Comments
on
the
report?
As
I
said,
the
the
the
current
proposal
is
on
the
screen
and
with
the
addition
of
what
I
read
in
terms
of
the
change,
the
bylaw
that
that
changed
document
number
one
paragraph
two
so
on
the
report,
Kelvin
Rafat.
A
A
Are
there
any
any
motions
of
most
motion
for
consideration
at
subsequent
meeting?
Okay
I
actually
have
one
which
will
introduce
very
quickly.
I
won't
go
through
all
the
warehouses,
but
the
motion
is
there
for
the
result
that
Transportation
Committee
recommends
to
council
direct,
the
manager,
piee
d2
for
the
letter
to
the
interior
ministry,
Environment
and
climate
change,
requesting
the
Minister
of
Environment
and
climate
change,
one
that
takes
immediate
steps
to
expedite
the
proper.
A
The
response
process
for
Part,
two
orders
of
bump-up
requests
as
part
of
the
section
61
review
to
improve
the
MCE
a
process
times
and
reduce
study
costs
and
to
support,
supports
changes
to
better
integrate
and
harmonize
MCE
a
process.
The
process
is
defined
under
the
Planning
Act
and
three
amends
the
scope,
mca
reports
and
studies
to
reduce
duplication
with
existing
public
processes
and
decisions
made
under
municipal
official
plans
to
provincial
legislation.