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A
A
Okay,
well,
this
is
going
to
be
a
short
meeting
and
there's
just
a
couple
of
us:
let's
go
ahead
and
do
a
quick
round
of
introductions.
My
name
is
chris
troutner.
I
helped
found
the
psf
foundation
for
the
permissionless
software
foundation,
psf
for
short,
with
several
people.
David
allen
could
not
be
here
today.
He
is
a
regular
attendee
and
yeah.
I
guess
that's
enough
of
an
intro
for
me.
Go
ahead
and
introduce
yourself
there
aaron.
B
Yeah,
my
name
is
aaron
shoemaker.
I
am
an
entrepreneur
and
I
do
363
3d
video
stuff
and
I
got
interested
in
the
token.
So
I
came
over
the
psf
and
I've
been
learning
a
lot
from
chris
here.
So.
A
Yeah
yeah
you've
been
making
some
fast
progress
all
right.
Well
with
that,
I'm
going
to
share
my
screen
and
we'll
just
go
over
the
agenda
real
quickly,
there's
not
much
to
cover
and
with
just
the
two
of
us.
This
isn't
really.
You
know
a
good
platform
for
feedback,
so
I'm
hoping
that
more
members
will
watch
this
recording
and
then
come
to
our
telegram
chat,
room
and
continue
this
conversation.
A
But
just
a
few
things
that
I
wanted
to
throw
out
there
to
the
community
is
we've
got
two
committee
meetings
and
actually,
let
me
just
pull
up
the
blog
post
so
that
anybody
who
watches
this
can
visually
see
our
how
our
organization
is
structured.
A
So
I'm
on
psfoundation.cash,
blog
and
healthy
bitcoin
is
the
blog
entry
that
reflects
our
current
architecture.
So
it's
about
as
pyramid
shaped
as
a
pancake
think
of
a
pancake
with
a
hershey
kiss
on
top
that's
kind
of
the
shape
of
our
structure,
so
at
the
tippity
top
here,
oh
it
looks
like
daniel's
coming
in
at
the
tippity
top.
Here
is
the
token
holders
the
psf.
This
is
the
vip
channel
on
telegram.
You
have
to
have
a
certain
amount
of
psf
tokens
in
order
to
join
it,
they're,
ultimately,
who
these
two
committees.
C
A
A
Yeah
no
worries,
I'm
glad
you
joined
we're,
just
we're
just
getting
started,
I'm
just
giving
kind
of
a
brief
overview
of
of
how
our
our
organization
is
structured,
but
basically
so
to
get
back
to
this.
This
graph
we've
got,
we've
got
two
main
committees
and
they
are.
They
are
answerable
to
the
vip
members.
A
This
is
the
com
com
which
handles
community
and
sort
of
culture,
and
then
there's
the
tsc
or
the
technical
steering
committee
and
and
then
as
we
grow.
The
idea
is
that
we
spin
off
work
groups
to
focus
on
specific
things
like
say:
nfts
or
you
know
the
avalanche,
blockchain
or
slp
tokens
like
the.
If
there
is
something
that
we
really
want
to
take
on
these,
these
committees
would
then
spin
off
working
groups
and
sort
of
this
is
how
our
communication
structure
is
supposed
to
supposed
to
shape
up.
A
So
with
that
in
mind,
what
I
wanted
to
cover
is
that
I'm
currently
chairing
both
both
of
the
committees
and
I'd
I'd
love
for
someone
to
take
over
the
responsibility
of
chairing
this
community
committee
meeting,
which
those
those
responsibilities
would
just
basically
be.
You
know
showing
up
every
other
wednesday
for
the
meeting
and
sort
of
putting
the
agenda
together
and
just
doing
doing
what
I
do,
which
is
just
sending
out
a
couple
reminders
and
updating
the
agenda.
So
not
looking
for
volunteers
right
now,
but
think
about.
A
Let's
have
this
discussion
in
the
in
the
telegram
channel.
I
have
a
feeling,
maybe
david
allen
might
want
to
take
on
this
responsibility
or
somebody
else
if
he's
too
busy
with
with
other
things
and
then
another
another
thing
that
we've
been
trying
to
to
get
going
here.
Is
these
these
private
vip
meetings
and
financial
reports
so
they're
not
really
financial
reports
in
the
conventional
sense
of
the
term?
It's
more
just
about
metrics
like
how
do
we?
A
How
do
I'm
a
big
believer
that
what
you
measure
is
what
you
manage,
and
so,
if
you
don't
measure,
if
you
don't
have
metrics
to
follow,
then
you
can't
really
manage
any
there's
nothing
to
manage,
and
so
we
produce
these
monthly
reports
just
to
show
like
token
burns
and
token
purchases
of
the
psf
token,
because
that's
tied
to
our
financial
health
as
a
community,
as
well
as
other
statistics
like
the
number
of
downloads
of
the
bchjs
library
and
the
number
of
api
requests.
A
That's
hitting
the
fullstack.cache
servers,
because
that's
also
indicative
of
growth.
Those
numbers
should
all
kind
of
trend
up
if
we're
growing,
and
so
I
have
been
hoping
to
have
a
private
vip
meeting
every
month.
A
Just
sort
of
check
in
on
that
that
top
of
the
pyramid
there,
all
the
people
in
the
vip
room,
as
well
as
provide
sort
of
as
a
value
add
to
people
who
who
make
the
effort
to
become
economic
actors
and
join
that
vip
room,
just
sort
of
a
monthly
report
of
of
where
we're
at
financially
and
how
it
compares
to
previous
months.
A
This
is
something
that
has
fallen
by
the
wayside,
mostly
just
because
of
our
growth.
The
fullstack.cash
servers
have
grown,
I
think,
by
at
least
50
in
the
last
month,
so
we're
growing
like
a
weed,
and
so
that
has
become
the
priority,
and
so
I
think
it's
a
very
prudent
decision,
but
anyways
I'm
just
throwing
this
out
there
for
the
community.
A
Anybody
who
wants
to
kind
of
take
these
on
in
terms
of
preparing
this
financial
report
and
organizing
a
meeting
of
of
the
vip
members.
That
would
be
a
great
thing
for
me
to
delegate
and
offload
a
if
if
it
should
probably
go
to
one
of
the
members
who
are
in
the
vip
meeting
room
to
do
that
and
in
terms
of
creating
the
the
financial
report.
A
Do
you
guys
have
any
feedback
on
that
before
I
move
on?
It's
really
just
it's
more
food
for
thought
than
an
actual
discussion
thing
that
I'm
looking
for
feedback
on
at
this
point.
B
Yeah,
I
think
I
think
you're
right
on
those
things
need
to
be
implemented
and
it
does
seem
like
things
have
grown
really
fast,
and
so
it's
a
good
time
to
get
a
handle
on
it.
A
Right
on,
I
am
happy
that
we've
got
you
know
like
we've
got,
we've
got
the
process
in
play.
It's
like.
We
understand
how
to
generate
financial
report.
We
understand
you
know
how
to
figure
out
who's
in
the
vip
room
and
how
to
communicate
with
them.
So
all
those
the
the
sort
of
the
rails
are
in
place
for
that.
It's
just
a
matter
of
the
doing
at
this
point,
so
I'm
pretty
happy
with
that
that
we
at
least
have
the
process
in
place.
A
One
final
thing
on
the
agenda
before
we
just
kind
of
open
it
up
for
a
round
table
is
I've
had
people
in
the
community
say
like
man?
I
really
wish.
I
had
a
app
psfoundation.cache
email
address
and
that'd
be
nice.
I
wouldn't
mind
that
either,
but
it's
I
hate
email
servers.
I
hate
setting
up
email
servers.
I
hate
even
trying
to
set
it
up
through
a
third
party
system,
because
there's
all
the
name
settings
and
stuff.
It's
just
it's
just
something
that
I
can't
seem
to
prioritize.
A
So
that's
another
thing
that
I'm
looking
for
someone
from
the
community
to
sort
of
step
up
and
own
like
we
could
create
a
new.
My
thoughts
is
to
make
it
easy.
We
could
create
a
separate
domain,
that's
just
like
you
know,
permissionless,
software.com
or
psfoundation.net,
or
just
just
something
something
that
is
similar
but
is
like
set
up
explicitly
for
eat
for
community
emails.
A
It
would
be
a
nice
perk
is
if
you
join
the
vip
room,
you
get
your
own,
you
get
your
own
ps
foundation
email,
so
I'm
also
just
throwing
that
up.
It's
another
thing
that
I
just
can't
seem
to
prioritize,
but
if
someone
in
the
community
wants
to
take
it
on
I'd
love
to
work
with
them,
I
think
it
would
be.
It
would
help
us.
You
know,
have
a
more
unified
sense
of
community.
A
Yeah
they're,
like
so
namecheap
offers
email
hosting
services
and
I
think
they
charge
like
a
dollar
per
user.
So
I
don't
know
if
I
like
the
idea
of
tying
it
like.
There's
that's
convenient
to
have
like
a
third
party,
manage
the
server
and
be
responsible
for
it,
but
it
also
means
that,
like
we,
gotta
pay
a
dollar
for
every
new
new
user
per
month.
So
I
don't
like
that.
I
would
prefer
if
we
had
our
own
server,
that
we
could
maintain
so
yeah.
I
I'm
open
to
ideas.
B
Would
that
mean
renting
other
owning
a
server,
or
is
there
a
way
to
do
that
in
a
decentralized
fashion.
A
Well,
so
there
is
a
software
application
called
I
I
read
mail
and
it's
it
makes
it
really
easy
to
set
up
a
server.
I
mean
easy
as
a
relative
term,
because
there's
still
a
lot
of
fiddling
and
you
gotta
worry
about
your
ssl
certificates
and
you
gotta
do
a
bunch
of
jump.
A
With
your
your
domain
name
registration,
stuff,
but
I've
had
one
set
up
for
a
couple
years
and
and
it
it's
pretty
clunky,
but
it
but
it
works,
and
so
that
would
be
one
way
to
do
it
and
then,
in
terms
of
keeping
it
decentralized.
A
One
of
the
things
one
of
the
improvements
that
I've
had
several
people
request
with
message.fullstack.cache
was:
if
you
could
get
an
email
notification,
when
someone
sends
you
an
end,
encrypted
message
with
that
platform,
so
that
would
be
another
like
if
we
had
an
email
server
and
like
you
got
a
vip,
you
know.
If
we
gave
email
addresses
out
to
people
who
joined
the
vip
group,
then
it
would
be
cool
to
tie
that
in
with
message.fullstack.cache,
so
that
people
could
get
an
email
alert
when
when
they
get
an
encrypted
message
on
that
platform,.
B
A
You
know
it's
like
a
link
right,
so
that's
the
idea
is
like,
but
once
you
have
sort
of
a
what
do
you
call
that,
like
a
a
tag
or
a
hook,
once
you
have
the
hook
into
the
email
system,
then
then
you
can
do
all
sorts
of
things
with
it
because
then
like,
then,
you
can
forward
the
email
to
whatever
email
you
want
it
to
be.
We
could
have
it
go
the
other
way
where,
like
you,
could
email
like
a
a
specific
address.
A
That
would
then
take
that
content
and
convert
it
and
send
it
to
a
bitcoin
cash
address
using
the
the
the
messaging
system
we
developed
on
message.fullstack.cache
so
yeah,
because
if
we
had
it,
if
we
had
an
email
server
this
this
is
where
it
would
really
break
down
if
we
had
a
hosted
service.
This
is
these
are
the
kinds
of
like
cool
hacks
that
we'd
really
want
our
own
server
for.
A
But
yeah
food
for
thought.
I
think
we
should
just
let
this
idea
simmer
it's
just
again.
It's
just
something
I
can't
I'd
like
to
do.
I
just
can't
seem
to
prioritize,
and
so
as
our
community
grows.
Hopefully
somebody
with
the
the
time
and
the
skill
set
can
can
step
up
and
take
this
on.
A
All
right
and
that's
the
agenda
short
and
sweet
today.
I
want
to
give
you
guys
a
couple.
Shout
outs
and
daniel
you're
doing
amazing
work
as
always,
and
and
aaron
you've
been
doing
some
some
fantastic
work
with
exploring
mutable
data
attached
to
slp
tokens
which
would
solve
this
sort
of
icon.
It's
funny
the
the
icon
thing.
I
guess
it's
the
bull
market,
which
might
be
cooling
off
right
now,
but
there
seems
to
be
an
interesting.
B
A
A
big
influx
of
people
creating
tokens
and
wanting
a
solution
for
adding
a
token
to
their
icon,
which
is
totally
normal,
and
it
takes
a
little
digging
to
like
realize
that.
There's
no
good,
there's
no
standard
and
they
only
there's
only
a
couple
options,
and
neither
one
of
them
are
very
optimal
yeah
for
that
so,
but
there
does
seem
to
be
an
increased
pressure
on
that
for
token
icons,
but
then
aaron,
you
and
I
have
have
talked
about
how
much
more
this.
A
This
specification
for
creating
mutable
data
is
like
how
you
could
track
like
video
game
characters
or
track
all
sorts
of
different
changing
data
over
time.
With
the
token
yeah.
B
A
B
We
even
talked
about
tracking
property
this
way
so
like
daniel.
We
were
talking
about
how
you
could
create
an
nft
token.
That
has
all
the
information
that
you
want
to
be
immutable
like
how
big
is
the
house?
How
many
acres
is
the
lot
and
all
that
information
and
then
use
the
mutable
data
to
track
ownership,
so
this
is
a
another
way
to
basically
do
title
deeds.
B
But
yeah,
I
think,
as
far
as
the
nft
stuff
goes,
creating
the
mutable
data
and
also
we've
been
talking
about.
I
don't
know
if
you've
had
time
to
think
about
what
we
kind
of
discuss
on
sunday,
chris
on
the
locking
up,
nfts
and
using
them
for
streaming
and
stuff,
like
that.
I
think
both
of
those
use
cases
give
a
a
lot
of
utility
to
nfts
that
aren't
there
right
now,
because
I,
oh
sorry,
go
ahead.
A
No,
I
was
yeah
you're
right
and
actually
there's
a
couple
things
that
just
crossed
my
mind.
I
should
probably
save
this
for
the
technical
steering
committee,
but
I'll
give
a
little
teaser
in
that
stoyan
and
daniel
have
both
pushed
some
updates
around
nfts,
so
you
can
now
using
bch
api
and
bchjs
through
fullstack.cache.
A
If
you
have
an
nft,
you
can
query
the
group
token
that
created
that
nft
or
if
you
have
a
group
token,
you
can
query
all
the
child
nfts
created
from
that
group
token,
which
is
it's
it's
it's
all
about
the
the
sort
of
the
network
of
how
these
tokens
and
in
the
relationship
between
tokens.
That's
what
this.
C
A
Appeals
to,
and
so
these
these
ideas
that
that
we've
discussed
about
you
know
just
these,
these
other
nft
other
things
that
nfts
can
be
used,
for
it
furthers
those
possibilities.
We
now
have
some
new
infrastructure
to
do
to
ex
to
quickly
and
easily
explore
these
relationships
that
we
didn't
have
before.
B
So
if
you
what
they
just
developed,
that's
awesome,
and
that
means
that
if
we
can
kind
of
lock
these
like
we're,
talking
about
and
say
you're
dealing
with
pieces
of
code
right
and
you
want
somebody
to
pay
you
for
that
piece
of
code
to
use
well
now
you
can
query
the
child
tokens
and
see
which
one
didn't
pay
you
and
then
you
can
say
all
right:
we're
going
to
shut
this
off
until
you
make
restitution
for
not
paying
us
for
what
you're
using
that's
just
one
idea
I
can
see
out
of
that.
A
Yeah
yeah
or
the
ability
to
you
know,
issue
a
group
token
for
a
person
and
then
and
then
you
know
that
way,
you
can.
You
could
issue
multiple
nfts
so
like
like
here's.
Your
nft,
which
you
know
say,
gives
you
access
to
something
and
then
that
nft
can
be
revoked
and
then,
when
they
do
something
you
can
issue
a
new
nft,
but
then
on
the
blocks
chain
and
using
these
calls
there's
a
clear
path
of
the
relationship
between
between
tokens.
B
A
Yeah
yeah
so
like,
if
you
you
would
create
so
for
people
who
are
unfamiliar
with
this.
If
you
wanted
to
sell,
say,
concert
tickets
like
say:
there's
a
hundred
concert
tickets
well,
you'd
create
one
single
group
token
and
then
and
then
you
would
use
that
to
generate
the
hundred
nfts
and
that's
that's
a
good
situation
for
an
nft,
because,
like
say
you
know,
a
front
row
seat
is
different
than
a
back
row
seat
like
they're
they're,
not
fungible,
not
no,
the
seats
aren't
all
alike.
A
There's
definitely
a
their
ones
up
front
are
more
valuable
at
a
concert,
and
so
that's
an
excellent
example
for
nft
tokens
as
opposed
to
fungible
tokens
and
then
and
then
in
in
the
slp
world,
on
bitcoin
cash.
You
you
generate
nfts
from
a
group
token,
and
so
so
being
able
to
quickly
and
easily
ex
navigate
the
relationship
between
groups
and
nft
group
tokens
and
ft
tokens.
A
B
And
then
another
use
case,
I'm
just
thinking
off
the
top
of
my
head
is
I
I
think
that
nfts
are
really
going
to
start
to
be
used
as
like
digital
souvenirs.
That
sort
of
thing,
so
you
could
create,
say
a
tour
across
a
certain
area,
say
germany,
a
tour
of
their
castles
right
and
you
get
an
nft
every
time
you
go
to
a
castle.
B
Well,
if
you're
in
charge
of
the
tour,
you
could
look
up
the
child
nfts
and
be
able
to
evaluate
who
got
all
the
tokens,
and
if
you
got
all
the
tokens
you
get
a
specific
nft
is
like
you
did
it
all.
You
completed
it.
You
know,
and
it's
just
kind
of
a
bragging
rights
type
of
thing.
A
Yeah,
exactly
daniel,
you
have
been
involved
in
that
avex
sells
game.
Does
that
use
nfts
or
does
it
use
fungible
tokens?
C
A
A
Yeah,
you
can
go
ahead
and
turn
your
video
off.
If
it'll
help
your
bandwidth
but
yeah
does
it
use,
does
it
does
the
game
use
nfts
or
does
it
use
fungible
tokens.
C
Yeah
they
they
use
the
erc
721.
Those
are
nfcs
that
the
running
on
the
c
chain
it
has
a
it-
is
similar
or
I
I
would
say
the
same
as
as
the
the
ones
on
the
bch,
because
you
need
a
group
and
all
the
other
keys
are
chat.
So
works
the
same
same
way.
So.
A
A
Okay,
okay,
so
they're,
uniquely
minted,
this
is
cool,
I'm
I'm!
So
one
of
the
things
that
we're
gonna
have
coming
out
soon
is
a
command
line
wallet
for
working
with
tokens
on
the
avalanche.
Blockchain.
Of
course
that's
going
to
be
on
the
x
chain,
and
this
is
a
721
on
the
c
chain
of
avalanche,
so
it
won't
work
quite
as
quickly
with
that,
but
yeah.
I
now
that
I
have
my
new
computer.
I'm
excited
to
try
that
game
out
and
play
with
it.
So
that's
good!
A
I
just
wasn't
sure
if
they
were
using
the
the
nfts
and
so
erc
721
is
the
nft
standard
on
ethereum
and,
and
so
this
game
of
excels
is
played
on
the
sea
chain
of
avalanche,
so
yeah,
definitely
something
for
you
to
play
with
aaron.
B
Yeah,
I'm
gonna
have
to
check
it
out.
I've
been
diving
into
the
mutable
token
stuff
and
I
sent
you
over
token
last
night.
Were
you
able
to
follow
the
hash.
A
B
A
Yeah,
so
I
mean
this:
we
probably
shouldn't
be
getting
so
deep
into
the
weeds
with
the
technical
stuff.
But
that's
what
happens
when
david
allen
doesn't
yeah
david's
that
doesn't.
A
You
know
because
the
psf
is
a
horizontal
organization,
like
I
said
it's
mostly
pancake
shaped
with
like
a
hershey
kiss
on
top,
so
we're
pretty
much
a
horizontal
organization,
and
so
everyone
is
free
to
explore
whatever
is
of
interest
to
them
and
nfts
are
our
hot
topic
and
we
have
several
different
people,
exploring
them
from
different
angles
and
what
aaron's
been
focused
on,
particularly,
is
this
pso2
slp
mutable
data
specification,
and
this
should
work
in
general
for
nfts
on
avalanche,
both
the
x
chain
and
c
chain,
as
well
as
nfts
in
ethereum.
A
I
think
they
have
a
very
similar
specification
for
this,
but
if
people
want
to
go
there,
you
can
go
to
the
permissionless
software
foundation,
github
group
and
then
there's
a
specifications
repo
and
this.
This
mutable
data
here
is
the
second
specification
and
it's
it's
poorly
written
aaron's
been
working
through
the
poorly
written
spec
to
come
up
with
a
prototype
and
he's
got.
He
managed
to
manually
create
a
functional
prototype
and
this
solves
a
couple
business
problems.
The
the
main
problem
it
solves
is
is
token
icons.
A
This
is
a
way
for
wallets
to
automatically
discover
a
token
icon
and,
unlike
the
two
ways
of
doing
token
icons
today
on
the
bitcoin
cash
chain
for
slp
tokens,
when
you
set
the
the
token
icon
now
with
either
of
the
two
methods
that
exist.
Now,
you
can't
change
it.
It's
permanent!
You
can't
you
can't
re,
you
can't
do
a
rebrand
later
and
then
change
the
artwork.
For
your
token,
I
found
down
the
road
and
right
now,
there's
no
way,
no
guarantee
that
the
artwork
will
show
up
in
all
wallets.
A
C
A
Track
of
video
game
character
with
an
nft
whose
statistics
change
over
time,
so
it's
a
way
of
having
state
attached
to
a
token
which
is
which
is
really
important.
Normally,
you
know
up
until
this
point
in
time.
When
you
create
a
token
it's
immutable,
it
can.
The
data
cannot
change
over
time,
it's
fixed,
and
so,
if
you
want
new
data,
you
have
create
a
new
token.
A
But
using
this
method
you
can
have
changing
data
and
have
it
have
the
token
point
to
it
and
and
then
the
wallet
can
automatically
sort
of
discover
the
this
changing
state.
B
To
piggyback
off
of
that,
I
was
just
talking
to
some
gamers
the
other
day
that
were
saying
they'd
love
to
have
a
way
to
upgrade
or
work
on
weapons
within
games,
and
this
would
be
one
way
to
do
that
where
you
could
not
only
upgrade
the
weapon,
but
from
any
of
those
that
played
world
of
warcraft.
There
was
a
definitely
a
market
to
sell
weapons
and
stuff
and
it'd
be
really
cool
to
sell
a
weapon
that
you
developed.
B
A
Well,
it's
really
not
fundamentally
any
different
than
than
artwork.
You
know
like
an
artist
spends
time
in
the
artwork.
You
know
developing
over
time
and
then
and
then
these
nfts
are
a
way
to
sort
of
track
the
secondary
market
sales,
so
something
that
you
said
the
other
day
just
really
rocked
my
world,
which
was
this
idea
of
tracking
real
estate,
where,
like
there's
certain
information
about
a
piece
of
property
that
that
you
want
to
be
immutable
like
this,
the
size
of
the
property
is
probably
not
going
to
change
its
geographic
location.
A
Definitely
is
not
going
to
change.
You
know
just
historical
data
that
is
a
matter
of
history
and
it's
not
going
to
change
because
it's
already
happened.
A
That's
all
excellent
data
that
could
be
captured
at
the
time
of
the
creation
of
the
token
that
you
would
not
want
to
change,
but
then,
if
it
can
point
to
this
changing
state
of
like
okay,
well
now
the
owner's
owned
by
this
person
and
then
over
time
the
ownership
changes
to
that
person
and
then
that
person,
you
know
added
some
improvements
to
the
property,
so
that
all
gets
that's
all
mutable
data
that
gets
changed
over
time.
A
And
so
that's
that's.
I
just
thought
that
was
such
an
excellent
use
case
for
both
mutable
and
immutable
data
and
then
and
then
to
abstract
that
I'm
I'm
thinking
a
lot
about
artwork,
because
that
seems
to
be
the
favorite
sort
of
use
case
for
for
nfts
yeah
and
I'm
I'm
friends
with
several
starving
artists
and
and
so
like
the
the
actual
like,
like
a
high-res
scan
of
the
of
of
say,
a
physical
object,
a
physical
artwork
or
even
just
purely
digital
artwork.
A
A
But
then,
like
you
know,
if
the
artwork
changes
hands,
the
new
owner
would
probably
want
to
get
like
a
stamp
of
authenticity
or
or
register
their
their
data,
and
so
the
the
artist
who
created
the
token
would
have
the
private
key
to
update
that
mutable
data
that
they
probably
would
not
pass
that
on
to
the
buyer.
A
That
would
probably
always
be
retained
by
the
artist,
and
so
if,
if
the
the
art
sold
in
the
secondary
market
and
the
new
owner
wanted
like
a
a
digital
stamp
of
authenticity,
they
would
go
to
the
artist
and
say
you
know:
hey,
can
you
add,
can
you
update
the
state
to
reflect
that?
I
purchased
it
and
that's
a
great
opportunity
for
it's
a
win-win,
because
the
new
owner
gets
an
official
stamp
of
approval.
The
artist
gets
a
chance
to
get
you
know
a
percentage
of
the
sale
and
so
yeah.
A
B
There
well-
and
another
thing
I
think
is
going
to
develop-
is
what
I
call
trust
merchants,
so
in
a
free
market,
you're
going
to
have
people
that
they
make
their
living
selling
trust
by
verifying
or
vetting
what
the
the
products
and
goods
are,
what
they
say
they
are.
So
there
may
be
a
case
where
the
artist
says
hey.
B
C
B
Completely
different
thing
to
where,
like
we
have
versions
of
trust
merchants
nowadays,
but
because
they
can
pay
the
state
off
or
the
media,
they
aren't
necessarily
as
trusted
as
they
should
be.
A
Yeah,
that's
a
really
good
idea
because,
because
in
terms
of
the
infrastructure
required
for
a
trust
merchant,
it's
really
no
different
than
custodying
bitcoin.
So
all
of
these
banks
that
are
that
are
ramping
up
to
custody
bitcoin.
They
essentially
have
all
the
tools
that
they
would
need
to
custody,
a
private
key,
which
would
be
the
only
requirement
for
updating
this
mutable
data.
So
they.
C
A
They
could
easily
offer
that
service
to
to
update
the
state
of
an
nft
as
a
service
for
for
artists.
B
Yeah-
and
I
I
think
that
another
thing
we
talked
about
was
say:
you're
a
musician
and
you're,
releasing
a
new
single
every
month,
and
you
send
this
nft
out
and
you
use
the
mutable
data
for
the
new
signal
and
you
could
have
it
in
such
a
way
that
when
you
sell
your
the
token,
if
you
bought
the
token
initially
you'd
have
access
to
all
the
music.
B
If
you
bought
the
token
halfway
through
you'd
only
have
access
to
half
of
the
music,
and
so
this
becomes
an
asset
that,
like
buying
an
original
record.
You
know
you
want
the
original
rolling
stones,
let
it
bleed
album
for
first
printing,
you
know
so
something
like
that
or
beatles
help
model.
First,
printing
type
of
thing,
so
those
early
nfts,
become
actually
more
valuable
on
the
market
and
become
an
asset
kind
of
like
a
comic
book
or
an
early
album.
A
Yeah
see,
that's
that's
an
interesting
thing
where,
like
when
we're
talking
about
physical
objects
like
a
first
edition
or
a
signed
first
edition
or
like
a
vinyl
record,
because
you
know
they
don't
really
make
them
anymore,
like
those
things
are,
are
so
valuable.
But
but
if
you
do
like
a
limited
release
now
and
then
you
do
a
limited
release
later,
because
they're
digital
there's
not
really
any
qualitative
difference,
I
mean
it's
all
just
in
the
narrative.
The
difference
is
just
the
story
that
you
tell
about
it.
A
It's
not
like
this
is,
you
know
like
with
a
book
a
first
edition
like
it's
dusty
and
maybe
the
the
backing
is
correct,
and
it
has
you
know
it
has
all
these
physical
characteristics
that
make
it
unique.
So
it's
interest
like
it'll,
be
really
interesting
to
see
how
some
of
these
have
some
of
these
qualities
that
we
used
to
consider
like
unique
and
valuable
what
what
ones
translate
into
this
digital
world
and
what
ones
fail
to
translate
into
this
digital
world.
B
Yeah
yeah
totally,
and
so
that,
coupled
with
the
this
idea
that
we've
been
talking
about
being
able
to
lock
up
an
nft,
so
only
the
owner
can
have
access
to
it,
which
I'm
I
see
the
mutable
stuff
and
the
locking
stuff
to
be
hand
in
hand,
and
both
those
protocols
will
make
nfts
more
valuable.
I've
watched
the
video
you
sent
from
where
vitalik
was
talking
about
nfts
and
he's
saying
the
two
use
cases
right
now
is
investment
for
the
future
and
bragging
rights,
and
I
think
that
there
there
needs
to
be
more.
B
These
nfts
have
to
have
utility
and
if
they
don't
have
utility,
there's
no
use
case.
Vitalik
talks
about
something
he
calls
legitimacy
and
I
agree.
Legitimacy
is
a
good
thing,
but
you
can
look
at
a
bunch
of
rocks
and
I
can
look
at
a
bunch
of
locks
and
we
can
say
those
legitimately
rocks
doesn't
mean
they
have
utility
to
us
right.
So
legitimacy
without
utility
is
really
becomes
meaningless.
A
A
Vitalik
was
on
there
and
talking
about
an
article
that
he
recently
wrote
on
the
concept
of
legitimacy
and
and
like
what
is
it
and
how
does
it
play
a
role
in
the
crypto
space
and
I
think
one
of
the
really
they
didn't
use
this
in
the
podcast
one
of
the
really
good
examples
I
I
finally
got
to
use
dash
the
cryptocurrency
the
other
day,
because
I
was
trying
to
buy
some
gift
cards
on
bit
refill
and
they
don't
accept
bitcoin
cash.
A
B
A
Exactly
right,
and
so
in
my
mind,
dash
and
bitcoin
cash
have
pretty
much
equal
utility
if
you're
just
using
it
to
like,
buy
a
gift
card
like
they.
They
do
the
same
thing.
Low
transaction
fees,
they're
fast
and
but
the
price
of
dash
is
so
much
lower
than
bitcoin
cash,
or
at
least
it
historically
has
been,
and
I
think
the
difference
is
legitimacy
like
like
really.
A
The
only
difference
in
my
mind
is
that
bitcoin
cash
is
linked
to
the
original
genesis
block
of
bitcoin
and
whereas
dash
started
its
own
ledger
and
in
my
mind
that's
it's.
That
difference
is
legitimate,
like
it's
the
it's,
the
the
legitimate
tie
to
the
original
genesis
block
and
that's
attractive
to
people,
and
that's
in
my
mind
like
that,
is
legitimacy
applied.
That's
really
the
only
two,
because
as
far
as
utilities
concerned,
I
don't
see
any
difference
between
the
two.
C
A
And
it's
really
just
that
that
concept
of
legitimacy-
and
that
was
that
was
a
vitalik's
argument-
was
that
legitimacy
is
like
this
unseen
force
that
that
most
people
don't
think
about.
But
it's
actually
incredibly
powerful.
When
you're
talking
about
network
effects,
which
is
pretty
much
the
only
thing
that
matters
in
the
space.
B
I
I
think
that
he's
got
a
point,
that
things
do
need
to
be
legitimate
and
my
my
point
earlier
was
not
to
say
that
he's
wrong,
but
it
is
to
say
that
I
think
they
need
both
legitimacy
and
utility,
because
I
I
can
look
at
a
lot
of
things
that
seem
to
be
legitimate,
that
don't
have
a
lot
of
utility
and
so
those
those
team
things
tend
to
be
fads
that
go
away
over
time
and
don't
stick
around,
and
I
mean
look
at
all
the
instagram
fads
that
that
have
a
lot
of
legitimacy,
but
very
little
utility,
and
so.
A
C
C
A
Just
the
transaction
fees,
but
also
the
flexibility
and
then
also
avalanche
they've,
got
tokens
and
nfts,
but
I
think
most
people
would
view
them
as
less
legitimate
simply
because
it's
newer
and
and
hasn't
withstood
the
test
of
time.
You
know
and
that's
the
idea
is
like
legitimacy,
is
a
very
squishy
concept.
It's
really
going
to
depend
on
each
individual
person,
but
you
can
draw
an
aggregate
across
the
network
and
pro
probably
actually
quantify
these
these
effects
of
legitimacy
if
somebody
really
wanted
to
so
it's
just
it's
just
an
interesting
concept.
B
I
wrote
a
paper
and
maybe
that's
kind
of
on
the
same
lines.
I
sent
it
to
you,
but
maybe
you
want
me
to
to
revise
it
and
post
it,
but
one
of
the
things
I
didn't
get
into
the
to
it
on
this
paper,
but
I've
been
working
it
up
where
it's.
B
This
idea
that
the
in
incentive
for
theft
of
an
object
or
a
digital
asset
is
equal
to
the
utility
of
the
asset
times
the
awareness
of
the
asset
divided
by
the
ease
of
virtuous
use,
meaning
how
easy
can
people
use
it
the
way
you
want
to
and
the
security,
but
then
you
can
break
that
down
further
and
you
can
say:
okay,
what
is
what
is
utility
exactly
and
utility?
B
I
think,
comes
down
to
the
market
need
and
the
times
the
perceived
market
need,
because
there's
a
difference
between
the
market
having
a
need
and
people
perceiving
that
there's
a
need
and
then
that's.
That's
you
take
that
divided
by
the
competition
now,
there's
also
a
difference
between
the
perceived
market
need
and
the
awareness
of
your
product
right
and
somewhere
in
there
legitimacy
lies
that
people
perceive
the
need
for
this
product
and
they're.
B
Also
aware
that
your
product
fulfills
the
need-
and
I
see
where
a
lot
of
businesses
they
fail-
is
they
see
a
market
need
they
create
the
product
and
they
think
the
product
is
here.
Let
me
just
jump
to
the
awareness
look
at
my
product,
everybody
and
they
forget
that
people
haven't
perceived
the
need
and
if
people
don't
perceive
the
need,
you're
not
going
to
sell
it,
even
if
people
really
really
need
it,
you
know
so
there's.
I
think
all
that
kind
of
ties
into
what
we're
talking
about
with
legitimacy
here.
A
Yeah,
I
mean,
I
think,
everything
you
just
said
can
be
applied
to
full
stack
fullstack.cache
like
because
I've
been
in
the
space.
I
know
that
it
fulfills
a
need,
but
but
not
many
people
perceive
the
need,
and
I
mean
those
that
do
are
very
happy
customers.
But
but
you
know,
that's
that's
very
insightful
and
I
did
read
the
paper
and
I
really
liked
how
you
broke
down
the
mathematical
relationships
between
these
concepts.
A
The
one
thing
that
was
left
like
this
is
a
really
great
framework
for
thinking,
at
least
like
it's
an
excellent
conversation,
there's
like
good
contours
in
which
to
have
a
conversation,
but
we
we
just
need
to
see.
If,
if
you
know,
reality
bears
out
those
relationships,
but
I
think
it's
a
an
excellent
framework.
B
I
would
be
so
I'm
working
on
a
paper
called
projected
gross,
which
takes
in
those
equations
in
hopefully
allows
a
person
to
have
an
idea
of
what
a
projected
gross
of
a
product
could
be
taking
in
all
those
those
factors,
and
I
would
be
happy
to
post
both
that
one
and
the
the
nft
paper
and
have
people
in
the
community
look
over
it
and
tell
me
where
I'm
flat
wrong.
Because
so
you
know.
A
A
Well,
you
know
you're
doing
you're
doing
great
work,
because
you're
you're,
starting
a
conversation
that
you
know
you're
starting
you're,
starting
a
conversation
like
like
like
nfts,
are
so
new
and
exciting,
and
very
few
people
like
understand
them
to
the
level
where
they
could
even
engage
in
that
kind
of
a
conversation.
So,
but
that
is
a
I
mean
you're
getting
down
to,
like
I
mean
that's
an
economics
equation
that
you
wrote
like
this.
This.
C
A
C
B
Yeah,
it's
it's
really
easy
for
us
as
we
develop
a
product
and
part
of
it
is.
I
learned
this
coming
from
being
a
musician
right.
I
I
make
a
bunch
of
music
that
I
like,
and
I
think
everybody's
gonna
like
this
music
and
then
you
go
out
and
you
find
out.
Well,
not
everybody
does
like
this
music.
Not
everybody
perceives
a
need
for
that
form
of
music.
You
know
we.
B
We
did
stuff
very
much
in
the
vein
of
classic
rock
and
it
was
really
hard
to
crack
a
market
who
grew
up
listening
to
zeppelin
the
beatles
to
listen
to
something
new
when
they're
like
well,
I
got
zeppelin
the
beatles
right
and-
and
so
I
think
the
same
thing
is
in
the
crypto
sphere.
There
are
a
lot
of
projects
that
start
up
and
they
go
oh
well.
I
have
this
amazing
product
look
at
this
amazing
product,
but
they
haven't
done
enough
time
to
educate
people
on
the
need
of.
Why
do
we
need
that
product?
A
Yeah
you
know
that's,
I
I
like
that,
because
one
of
the
things
I
used
to
have
a
girlfriend
who
managed
a
band-
and
it
was
this
genre
that,
like
this
is
americana,
which
I
had
didn't
hadn't
even
heard
that
word
until
I
I
I
heard
about
the
band
and
over
time
I
grew
to
really
like
their
music,
but
at
first
I
hated
it.
It
was
just
because
I
was
like
I
would
never.
A
I
had
never
been
exposed
to
that,
that
genre
and
and
and
so-
and
I
think
most
people
have
had
have
that
experience
when
they're
introduced
to
a
whole
new
genre
of
music
like
rap
or
something
it
just
sounds
like
noise,
but
after
you
listen
to
it
for
a
while.
You
start
to
like,
oh
well.
I
like
this
one
better
than
that
one
and
you
start
to
like
develop
a
preference,
and
I
think
cryptocurrency
is
the
same
thing.
I
mean
having
constantly
trying
to
onboard
people.
I
live
in
a
place
where.
B
B
A
And
and
I'm
starting
to
to
introduce
like
I'm
trying
to
meet
people
where
they're
at
where,
like
like?
Okay,
like
we
have
this
problem
that
usually
involves
like
community
or
economics,
let's
try
and
solve
it
with
a
token.
So
if
I
meet
people
where
they're
at
they're
much
more
receptive,
but
then
this
magical
thing
happens
once
you
get
people
to
start
taking
those
first
couple
steps
as
they
start
to
see
like
oh
yeah,
the
transaction
fees
are
super
high
on
bitcoin.
A
I
don't
want
to
buy
a
gift
card
with
btc
or
ethereum,
because
the
transaction
fees
are
so
high.
So
you
know,
even
though
you
know-
maybe
my
buddy
steve
told
me
not
to
get
involved
with
bitcoin
cash.
Maybe
I'll
give
it
a
try
just
to
so
I
can.
You
know
achieve
what
I
want
to
achieve.
So
you
start
to
see
the
same,
like
evolution
and
preferences.
B
Yeah
there's
a
one
of
the
biggest
problems.
Right
now
is
onboarding,
and
I
talked
to
dave
about
this
hi
david
by
the
way,
I'm
sure
you're
going
to
watch
this
later,
and
I
think
that
a
lot
has
been
set
in
place
to
block
people
from
getting
on
board,
but
once
you
get
on
board,
it
becomes
pretty
easy
to
use.
So
I
think
that
may
be
one
of
the
things
we
need
to
look
at
as
solutions
is.
How
do
we
properly
onboard
people
and
one
of
those
solutions?
I've
thought
about
is
tokens.
B
I
think
tokens
are
a
great
way
to
do
this
say:
you've
got
a
company
and
they're
a
larger
company
and
they
say
all
right
to
their
employees.
We're
going
to
pay
you
all
in
tokens
and
you
can
cash
in
your
tokens
every
other
week,
just
like
a
regular
payday.
Now,
what's
the
difference
here,
we're
going
to
pay
you
every
day
in
tokens,
meaning
you
can
go
cash
out.
Those
tokens
outside
the
company
and
the
company
will
redeem
those
tokens
for
cash
essentially,
and
what
this
does
for
the
company
is.
B
If
you
take
these
tokens
for
ice
cream,
we
will
pay
you
a
premium
rate
for
the
exchange
right
and
then
eventually
that
token
becomes
starting
to
be
used
as
a
currency
within
that
community
and
gains
value
within
a
market,
and
now
that
company
can
begin
selling
tokens
on
the
market
for
bitcoin
cash
avalanche,
anything
else
and
they've
in
a
way
backdoored
in
onboarding
into
the
crypto
community.
B
Essentially,
you
know
that
would
probably
take
a
lot
more
ideas
to
to
flesh
out,
but
it's
these
solutions
we
got
to
look
at
because
there
is
a
huge
barrier
for
a
lot
of
people.
I
tried
to
onboard
a
tech
guy
the
other
day
and
it
took
me
like
three
hours
to
to
like
educate
him
and
I'm
like
all
right.
I
really
need
to
sit
down
with
you,
but
I'm
on
the
phone.
I'm
like
all
right.
Look
at
this
place.
B
A
Something
you
said
I
just
want
to
share
my
screen
real
quick,
so
I
mean
everyone
watching.
This
video
is
aware
of
the
token
liquidity
app
for
the
permissionless
software
foundation
and
that
app
was
inspired
by
this
youtube.
Video
called
the
evolution
of
money,
which
was
presented
by
galia
benarzi
to
the
world
economic
forum.
A
I
think
it
was
or
no
the
oslo
freedom
forum,
that's
what
it
was
the
oslo
freedom
forum.
So
I
really
recommend
people
take
a
moment
to
to
watch
this
video.
It's
been
incred,
it's
been
so
so,
incredibly
inspiring
to
me.
The
story
she
tells
in
that
is
the
company's
based
in
israel
and
they
created
a.
This
was
like
when
was
this.
This
was
like
2015,
I
think
when
they
ran
this
experiment,
so
it
was
pretty
early
in
the.
A
Yeah
yeah,
and
so
they
created
a
token
called
the
love
token
or
the
heart
in
the
local
language,
and
they
gave
it
only
to
mothers
and
the
in
in
this
culture,
when
women
get
shekels
their
money,
they're
supposed
to
give
it
to
the
man,
and
so
women
don't
have
any
shekels.
They
don't
have
any
money
if
they
need
money
for
something
they
go,
ask
their
man
for
money,
and-
and
so
this
really
broke
down
those
cultural
barriers,
because
because
it
wasn't
money,
it
was
just
some
fun
token
thing.
A
So
the
women
there
was
no
issue
with
the
women
of
retaining
these
tokens,
and
then
they
started
using
them.
You
know
like
if
someone
watched
their
kids,
they
would
thank
them
in
these
tokens.
If
someone.
C
A
A
birthday
cake,
you
know
they'd
thank
them
in
these
tokens,
and
it
unleashed
this.
This
huge,
I
mean
thousands,
if
not
millions,
of
dollars
of
economic
activity
that
otherwise
would
simply
have
not
taken
place
and
because
of
cultural
barriers.
C
C
A
Is
we
have
our
own
token,
which
is
within
our
community
of
the
permissionless
software
foundation,
and
I'm
trying
to
do
something
similar
here
on
this
on
the
island
in
which
I
live,
which
we
have
it's
all:
gravel
roads
and
houses,
there's
no
there's
no
economy
of
any
kind,
and
but
there
are,
there
is
like
one
guy
with
an
excavator
and
there's
like
one
architect
and
there's
one
real
estate
agent,
and
so
these
people,
who
are
regularly
employed
I've
got
a
few
of
them
to
agree
to
start
exchanging
these
these
little
digital
dollar
tokens
that
I'm
creating
called
like
island
dollars,
and
so
I'm
hoping
to
replicate
the
same
example
that
galia
bernardi
gives
here
on
the
island
locally
and
so
something
you
said
like
just
really
reminded
me
of
that
of
that
leverage
of
you
know
the
power
of
local
currencies
and
how
they
can
unlock
a
lot
of
economic
activity
just
within
a
community
and,
of
course,
the
the
big
question
there
is.
A
How
do
you
bootstrap
a
token,
and
that's
that
I'm
you
know
I've
done
it
once
with
the
psf
token
and
I'm
getting
ready
to
do
it
again.
With
this
island
token,
yeah.
B
Yeah,
I
think,
there's
some
of
the
functionality
we're
working
with
the
wallet
there's
some
development.
We
need
to
do
like,
for
instance,
it
would
be
nice
for
the
token
to
generate
its
own
qr
code
so
that
it's
easily
scannable
by
somebody
else
to
verify
that
it's
the
token
and
not
a
forgery,
because
you
know
you
can
create
a
token
with
any
name
or
ticker,
but
it's
the
token
id
that
makes
a
difference
and
that's
just
one
more
step
for
the
end
user
to
go.
Oh
no.
I
gotta
go
check
this
token
id.
B
If
some
restaurant
could
literally
you
open
your
wallet,
you
show
the
token
and
it
gets
you
discounts
from
the
restaurant,
the
restaurant
scans
it
and
says:
yep,
that's
the
token,
and
then
here's
our
discount
tokens.
You
know,
I
think,
that's
something!
That's
going
to
help
that
along
it's!
It's
all
a
lot
of
little
stuff,
like
you're
talking.
C
B
Yes,
you
could
essentially
create
tokens
and
say
you
know,
I
don't
live
by
you
but
say
I
did,
and
I
could
say
I
need
you
to
come
help
me
and
I'm
gonna
give
you
three
hours
of
my
time
in
tokens
for
you
to
redeem
at
some
point
in
the
future.
When
you
need
me
to
help
you.
A
Yeah
yeah
yeah
there's
this
quote
that
I
got
from
a
movie
that
was
like
the
best
thing
about
granting
a
favor
is
the
day
you
call
it
home
the
rest
and
here
on
the
island.
That's
how
we
do
it.
We're
very
you
know
tribal
in
that
way
where
we
we
are
benevolent.
We
we
go
out
of
our
way
to
help
one
another
because
nature's
against
all
of
us-
and
we
have-
we
have
to
call
our
favors
home
occasionally
and
so.
A
To
be
to
have
more
favors
out
than
you
know,
a
more
of
a
credit
than
a
debit,
and
so
these
tokens
are
just
a
way
to
quantify
that
concept,
that
every
human
innately
understands.
B
B
You
know,
and
now
he's
got
tokens
to
spend
for
somebody
else's
time.
You
know
yeah.
A
And
something
else
you
said
about
it,
like
it's
lots
of
little
things
like
like
one
of
the
things
that
hit
me
the
other
day
was
we
really
need,
like
of
just
a
single
page,
app,
that
you
can
scan
a
qr
code
and
it
tells
you
the
balance
of
that
address
like
so.
I
make
these
plastic
cards
and
I
was
thinking
like
man.
That
would
be
like
a
really
smart
step
just
to
scan
the
qr
code,
verify
that
the
balance
actually
exists
before
you.
You
know,
conduct
a
trade,
and
so
this
json
rpc
over
ipfs.
A
It's
because
of
the
flexibility
of
the
networking
involved
that,
like
you,
don't
have
to
think
about.
Oh
you
know:
do
I
have
nginx
set
up
correctly
and
is
my
ip
routing
table
correct,
and
what
about
you
know?
Did
I
register
my
domain
name,
and
did
I
renew
it
like
you?
Don't
have
to
think
about
anything
all
that
stuff
just
goes
away
because
the
lib
p2p,
which
is
built
part
of
ipfs.
A
It
just
figures
that
stuff
out
the
the
mesh
network,
just
automatically
figures
that
stuff
out
and
so
those
these
just
little
like.
Oh,
you
know
we
should
just
make
a
little
app
that
checks,
the
balance
of
you,
can
scan
a
qr
code
and
check
the
balance
or
verify
that
you
know
the
token
is
legit.
That's
what
I'm
hoping
to
unlock
with
this.
This
json
rpc
over
ipfs
that
daniel
and
I
are
working
on.
A
B
It's
really
the
small
things
that
make
you
frustrated
too
in
applications
when
you
can
have
all
this
functionality
and
then
you
come
to
this
one
small
thing
and
you
realize
that
is
the
the
thorn
in
my
side
right
there
and
I,
like
your
idea,
your
motto,
everything
that
can
be
a
plug-in
should
be
a
plug-in.
You
know,
and
so
you
can
make
that
a
a
plug-in
and
you
can
make
it
customizable.
B
If
I
were
to
do
a
souvenir-type
token
say
they
go
visit
museum
they
get
a
souvenir
token,
and
then
they
take
it
across
the
street
to
the
restaurant,
the
restaurant
scans.
That
and
then
it
would
be
nice
to
say
all
right.
The
minute
you
scan
and
verify
that
it's
right,
then,
the
discount
tokens
are
automatically
sent
to
that
address.
You
know
and
so
that
you're
taking
these
steps
out
for
people
making
it
incredibly
usable.
B
You
know,
but
for
you
and
I
we're
like
all
right,
we
gotta
scan
that
token
make
sure
that's
in
the
wallet
and
then
we
have
to
find
their
slp
address,
and
then
we
have
to
send
these
tokens
from
this
wallet
to
that
slp
address.
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
steps
for
us,
but
if
we
can
make
that,
like
literally
a
step
or
scan
it
tokens
are
in
their
wallet,
they
can
use
them
for
discount.
A
Yeah
one
bennett,
the
ceo
of
protocol
labs,
he
calls
it
giving
people
super
powers
is,
is
like,
like
we
do,
the
heavy
lifting
and
we
create
the
software
that
all
of
a
sudden
like
gives
a
normal
person
like
super
powers,
but
the
the
inverse
is
that
people
really
hate
it.
When
you
take
their
superpowers
away-
and
you
know
so
so,
yeah.
C
A
Okay,
well,
I
think
we
should
probably
wrap
this
up.
It's
been
about
an
hour,
it's
been
great,
just
hashing
ideas
with
you
and
daniel.
How
are
you
doing?
Do
you
have
anything
to
add
before
we
wrap
up.
C
A
One
hike
is
this:
we've
got
this
token
bridge
that
moves
slp
tokens
across
to
the
avalanche
x
chain,
so
you'll
be
able
to
go
back
and
forth
when
we
launch
that,
probably
in
about
a
month
for
the
public,
if
anybody
wants
to
do
early
beta
testing
reach
out
to
me,
we
can
get
you
involved
on
that.
But
then
yeah
you're
right
with
this.
C
A
This
new
feature
in
in
so
avalanche
has
three
chains:
they
have
the
x
chain,
the
c
chain
and
the
p
chain,
so
this
new
ability
that
they
just
upgraded
the
network.
You
can
move
tokens
from
the
x
chain,
which
is
where
our
bridge
is
going
to
be
located
to
the
c
chain,
the
contract
chain,
which
is
where
they
have
a
bridge
between
avalanche
and
ethereum.
A
So
we
should
be
able
to,
in
a
few
months,
move
a
token
from
bitcoin
cash
to
avalanche
x,
chain
to
avalanche
c
chain,
to
ethereum
and
back
again,
and
and
so
we're
working
we're
working
on
a
command
line
wallet
and
that's
where
this
these
features
are
gonna
be
developed.
First,
is,
you
know,
shout
out
to
gary
nadir
who's
working
on
the
bridge
in
the
and
this
command
line
wallet?
So
that's!
A
That's
where
we're
gonna
sort
of
experiment
with
this
first
is
is
yeah
is,
is
have
a
command
line
wallet
that
works
with
the
x
chain,
and
then
one
of
the
first
commands
we're
gonna
add
is
is
to
move
a
token
from
the
x
chain
to
the
c
chain.
B
B
I
was
confused
at
first.
That's
why
I
just
want
to
put
that
out
to
people.
Also
before
we
go.
Do
you
want
to
talk
about
slp
and
the
creator
about
that,
or
you
want
to
do
that.
Another
time.
C
A
Things
are
still
unfolding
there.
Daniel
did
you
have
something
else.
B
C
A
Also
want
to
make
room
for
non-technical
people,
but
but
I'm
personally,
okay,
with
with
the
text.
B
C
A
Yeah
good
good
stuff,
I
I
recommend
that
everybody
down
load
metamask,
if
you
don't
have
it
already
the
browser
extension
and
then
go
play
with
the
avex
cells.
Video
game,
which
daniel
had
a
hand
in
so
you'll
have
to
get
metamask
talking
to
the
avalanche
sea
chain.
Is
that?
Did
I
get
that
right,
daniel
yeah?
That's
the.
B
That's
the
correct
information
and
daniel
if
you
want
to
post
in
the
telegram
where
to
find
like
any
instructions
for
people
on
how
to
get
onto
the
c
chain
through
metamask
and
yeah
chris.
If
you
want
to
post
the
the
video
from
today,
I
can
post
all
that
in
the
description
on
odyssey,
because
we
do
have
an
odyssey
channel
up
for
those
who
want
to
watch
it
on
odyssey,
and
I
should
be
getting
this
video
up
on
odyssey
later
today.
A
Thank
you
for
your
work
on
that
yeah
and
I'll.
Do
the
same
with
the
youtube
video
I'll,
add
the
links
into
the
the
show
notes
in
the
comments.