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From YouTube: PSF CommComm Meeting - 02/24/2021
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The agenda for this meeting:
https://github.com/Permissionless-Software-Foundation/community-committee/issues/6
PSF Telegram channel:
https://t.me/permissionless_software
TorList.cash:
https://torlist.cash
ipfs-coord npm library:
https://github.com/christroutner/ipfs-coord
PSF funding proposals:
https://psfoundation.cash/proposals/
B
B
C
D
B
B
B
B
So
before
we
dive
into
some
of
the
more
boring
governance
stuff,
I
thought
I'd
I'd,
give
a
couple
quick
demos
just
to
sort
of
give
a
sneak
peek
of
of
some
of
the
things
I've
been
working
on
and
because
they
will
directly
impact
the
psf
community
and
the
first
one
is
tour
list.
Dot
cash
daniel's
been
working.
Really
hard
on
this,
and
so
just
before
I
jump
into
the
demos.
Let
me
just
recap
for
everybody
that
the
mission
of
the
permissionless
software
foundation
is
to
develop,
promote
and
maintain
software.
B
B
Oh
sure,
yeah,
let's
start
with
that,
let's
go
ahead
and
go
go
around
and
do
some
introductions
I'll
start,
I'm
chris
troutner,
I
founded
the
permissionless
software
foundation.
I
also
maintain
full
stack
dot
cash
david.
Why
don't
you
go
ahead
and
introduce
yourself
and
then
we'll
just
go
over
to
robin.
E
My
name
is
khusha,
I'm
just
a
very
overly
enthusiastic
user,
I'm
just
interested
in
bringing
and
contributing
and
learning,
especially,
and
you
know
how
he
can
contribute
in
any
type
of
project
that
can
that
needs
help
or
any
kind
of
documentation
or
translation
or
whatever.
It
means
where
I
can
spend
my
time
on
and
help.
D
F
B
B
That's
like
our
core
mission
in
terms
of
like
technical
things
and
then
the
the
other
three
columns
privacy,
free
speech
and
economic
action
are
in
line
with
our
mission,
and
so
tour
list
is
on
the
column
for
economic
action
and
where
is
okay
I'll
get
to
these
things.
So
this
is
so.
This
is
tour
list.
B
If
you
bring
up
tour
list
dot
cash,
I
was
wanted
to
do
a
more
involved
demo,
but
but
there's
some
issues
with
the
tokens
right
now,
so
I
wasn't
able
to
do
everything,
but
what
the
idea
behind
tor
list
dot
cash
is.
Is
it's
if
people
are
old
enough
to
remember
a
time
before
google
before
search
engines
back
in
the
early
90s?
There
were
all
these
curated
lists
before
search
engines
were
like
good
and
could
actually
like
to
tell
the
difference
between
spam
and
like
real
content.
B
B
Is
you
stake
psf
tokens,
so
this
will
increase
demand
for
psf
tokens,
and
the
important
thing
here
is
not
what's
on
the
surface
but
what's
under
the
surface,
so
the
idea
of
this
this
database,
where
the
websites
go
kinda,
looks
like
this.
Let
me
draw
your
attention
to
the
upper
right
hand:
corner.
That's
that's
outlined
in
yellow.
B
This
shows
the
two
like
main
components:
it's
running
toward
list.cache
there's
the
tour
list,
api,
which
is
the
backend
server
side
and
then
there's
the
tor
list
front-end,
which
is
what
you
actually
see
in
the
web
browser
and
tour
list.
Api
uses
a
peer-to-peer
database
to
keep
track
of
all
these
every
time.
Someone
would
enter
a
a
website,
it
would
get
entered
into
this
peer-to-peer
database
and
so,
for
example,
in
tor
list.cash.
B
I
need
to
put
this.
I
need
to
create
an
about
page.
This
is
all
under
very
heavy
development.
So
it's
more
ideas,
that's
what
I'm
telling,
rather
than
showing
on
a
lot
of
these
things,
but
like
we're
not
going
to
list
anything
to
do
with
guns
or
drugs
or
pornography
and
we're
going
to
filter
those
things
out
of
our
version
of
the
database.
That's
what
these
trash
can
icons
are
I'm
logged
in
as
an
administrator,
I'm
the
only
one
that
would
see
these
trash
can
icons.
B
B
But-
and
so
this
is,
the
idea
is
multiple
people
would
run
copies
of
the
back
end,
and
so
we
would
all
share
this
peer-to-peer
database.
So
there's
no
central
point
of
control
and
if
one
of
us
leaves
the
network,
the
other
people
on
the
network
maintain
the
database
and
continue
to
share
the
database
and
so
other
websites
that
do
want
to
show
things
like
guns
and
drugs
and
and
porn.
B
They
can
use
the
exact
same
database
and
you
know
have
their
own
rules
and
display
the
same
data
in
their
in
the
way
that
they
want
to
to
display
it.
So
that's
it's
finding
this
balance
between
moderation
and
censorship
and
the
the
thing
that
we've
been
working
on
lately,
so
so
this
is
going
to
impact
the
psf
community
or
specifically
the
token
in
a
couple
ways.
B
B
Where
you
know
these
are
just
some
example:
categories
like
bitcoin
cash,
e-commerce,
general
information,
ethereum
ipfs.
So
you
would
put
your
website
in
a
category
and
the
ranking
within
the
category
is
going
to
be
determined
by
the
number
of
psf
tokens
that
you've
staked,
and
so,
if
those
are
just
like,
we
do
the
merit
to
get
into
the
vip
room
like
those
tokens
are
always
under
the
control
and
custody
of
the
user.
We
don't
touch
those
funds.
B
We
can
just
look
and
verify
that
they
are
there
and
they
have
not
moved
for
a
certain
period
of
time
and
so
that
that
period
of
time,
that
merit
is
how
the
ranking
and
the
categories
will,
you
know,
will
be
displayed
on
our
site.
But
again
this
database
is
peer-to-peer,
so
anybody
who
runs
their
own
backend
can
configure
this
and
display
the
data.
B
However
they
want-
and
so
the
point
is
to
it's:
it's
a
censorship,
resistant
peer-to-peer
database
for
sharing
deep
web
websites,
and
so
that's
the
idea-
and
by
building
this
we
can
not
only
you
know,
prevent
censorship
and
encourage
economic
activity.
This
will
also
increase
demand
for
the
psf
token,
so
that's
tour
list.
I
wanted
to
share
that.
I
want
to
move
on
to
ipfs
cord
library,
but
does
anybody
have
any
questions
about
what
I
just
presented.
B
E
B
So
yeah,
so
burning
tokens
is
a
really
important
part
of
our
token
economy.
So
when
someone
pays
a
subscription
at
fullstack.cash,
they
pay
bitcoin
cash.
They
don't
interact
with
the
token
at
all,
but
that
money
that
bitcoin
cash
goes
to
burn
tokens
and
take
them
out
of
circulation,
and
so
all
these
sort
of
ideas
that
we're
developing
involve
burning
tokens
and
that
solves
two
problems.
B
The
second
important
reason
is
that,
by
taking
by
burning
tokens
and
taking
them
out
of
circulation,
when
we
fund
new
development
work,
we
pay
for
it
by
bringing
new
tokens
into
creation.
So
one
of
the
things
we're
gonna
talk
on
the
agenda
today
is
the
the
very
first
funding
proposal-
that's
gonna
finalize
tomorrow
and
that's
to
fund
infrastructure
by
minting
new
tokens
and
bringing
them
into
existence.
So
we
need
to
have
in
order
for
the
token
to
maintain
its
value
or
increase
in
value.
B
B
It
has
properties
similar
to
blockchains,
but
it
is
not
a
blockchain,
and
this
is
the
library
here
on
github
it's
under
my
personal
thing.
If
anybody
wants
to
like
check
it
out
and
dig
into
the
the
the
read
me
or
the
code,
but
what
it
is.
It's
a
javascript
library
and
I
and
there's
links
to
a
lot
of
this
information
I'm
going
to
cover
at
the
bottom
of
this
readme
and
the
links
are
also
in
the
agenda
for
anybody
who
wants
to
see
this.
But
this
is
the
idea
behind
the
ipfs
coordination
library.
B
B
She
was
able
to
access
the
front
end
over
ipfs,
but
the
front
end
has
to
call
the
back
end
and
the
back
end
is
not
on
ipfs,
so
it
didn't
work.
You
know
it
got
blocked,
and
so
that
got
me
thinking
about.
How
could
I
build
an
uncensorable
api
and
that's
what's
all
led
up
to
this
ipfs
coordination,
library,
and
so
what
it's
become
is
a
very
general
solution
to
a
very
general
problem
of
censorship
all
over
the
world,
and
so
the
idea
is
services
are
on
the
left.
B
You
know
so,
there's
compute
storage,
you
know
full
nodes,
indexers,
all
the
services
that
fullstack.cache
offers,
but
but
any
type
of
generic
computer
service,
anything
that
aws
does
serverless
any
rest
api,
any
grpc.
Anything
any
valuable
thing
that
you
can
pipe
over
the
internet
to
somebody,
that's
on
the
left
and
then
on.
The
right
are
the
people
who
want
to
consume
those
services.
So
like
the
lady
in
china
who
wanted
to
use
the
wallet
and
then
the
reason
why
those
things
get
stopped.
B
The
reason
why
the
woman
in
china
couldn't
use
my
wallet
is
because
there's
firewalls
all
the
way
in
between
and
the
the
big
one
is
that
the
chinese
firewall,
which
is
how
the
chinese
government
prevent
their
citizens
from
being
able
to
access
most
of
the
internet
like
twitter
and
facebook
and
google,
and
what
ipfs
does?
Is
it's
really
really
good
at
circumventing
firewalls
and-
and
I
did
confirm
that
this,
like
ipfs,
does
work
in
china.
Chinese
people
have
no
problem
accessing
data
on
the
ipfs
network.
B
And
one
of
the
big
breakthroughs
I
had
just
in
the
last
couple
days
is:
I've
got
it
to
a
point
where
to
like
a
new
node,
a
new
computer,
whether
it's
a
web
page
or
a
or
a
server.
It
doesn't
matter
they
enter
the
network
and
they
introduce
themselves
and
they
find
all
the
other
peers
on
their
network,
and
I
just
added
end-to-end
encryption,
so
daniel
and
I
are
working
on
a
prototype.
B
So
this
idea
the
the
simplest
con.
The
simplest
implementation
of
this
idea
that
I
can
think
of
is
a
chat
app
just
being
able
to
have
two
people
chat
in
real
time
and
so
we're
building
an
app
that
will
enable
that
that
will
just
bring
it
up
and
and
two
people
can
start
chatting
and
and
you
can
enter
a
private
chat
where,
where
everything's
end
to
end
encrypted,
so
it's
a
little
hand
wavy
right
now.
B
I
hope
I
didn't
lose
you
guys,
but
but
this
is
going
to
be
a
big
deal,
because
it's
such
a
general
solution
to
such
a
general
problem
and
I'm
really
encouraged
by
it.
It's
going
to
allow
you
know
a
web
wallet
to
you
can
pull
it
up
and,
like
let's
say,
full
stack,
dot.
Cash
is
down
for
some
reason
or
bitcoin.com
is
down
for
some
reason.
B
Anybody
can
serve
the
the
the
type
of
infrastructure
needed
to
run,
say
a
wallet
application
like
literally
any
person
on
earth
and
and
your
wallet
application
will
be
able
to
find
them.
Pay
them,
use
the
service
and
have
a
real,
smooth
user
experience,
and
everything
would
just
happen
under
the
hood.
That's
like
the
ultimate
goal
I'm
trying
to
achieve
it.
Would
it
would
completely
change
like
the
concepts
around
web
services
and
censorship.
E
The
only
question
I
have
would
be:
I
don't
know
much
about
the
I
ipfs,
but
I
would
have
thought
that
it
is.
It
has
some
kind
of
scaling
issues
or
some
kind
of
drawbacks
in
the
sense
of
being
slow
or
something,
because
it
is
some
kind
of
this
decentralized
network.
Is
there
something
to
to
this
to
be
done?
B
B
When
you
load
a
web
page,
it
does
take
15
to
30
seconds
for
your
your
ipfs
node,
to
sort
of
reach
out
to
the
network
and
find
everybody
and
in
the
tests
that
I've
been
running
it.
It
does
take
about
10
seconds
for
the
app
to
to
find
the
other
like
nodes
in
the
network,
and
this
used
to
be
much
slower,
ipfs
or
protocol
labs,
which
is
the
the
company
that
maintains
ipfs
they've
done
significant
improvements
and,
and
one
of
the
other
like
risk
factors
with
this
technology.
B
Is
that
everything's
an
alpha?
The
the
orbit
db
peer
to
peer
databases
in
alpha
everything
to
do
with
ipfs
is
an
alpha.
It
can
and
does
change
frequently
with
a
lot
of
breaking
changes.
I
mean
it's
all
good
stuff.
The
trend
is
positive
and
it's
improved
a
lot,
but
it's
not
mature
technology
and
they
don't
advertise
it
as
such
and
that's
probably
why
it
hasn't.
You
know
caught
on
as
fast
as
as
it
could
have,
or
people
aren't
as
excited
about
it,
as
I
am,
I
guess,
but
yeah
there's
not
really
a
scaling
issue.
B
The
the
wonderful
thing
about
ipfs
is
that
the
more
people
who
use
it
actually
improves
the
scalability,
because
now
there's
more
nodes
that
can
pass
messages
around,
and
so
it
has
the
opposite
effect
of
what
we're
used
to
in
in
normal
internet
land.
Where,
as
you
add
users,
you
have
scaling
issues
in
ipfs
world,
it's
the
opposite.
As
you
add
users,
all
your
scaling
issues
drop
away
yeah.
I.
E
The
better
my
connection,
my
computer,
in
general
over
the
years,
the
better,
probably
the
throughput
of
the
whole
network
as
well,
so
we
can
you're
saying
it
could
even
be
faster
than
those
10
seconds
that
are
already
and
which
is
also
not
a
big
problem
for
an
emergency
tool.
It's
like
you,
know,
yeah,
the
the
swiss
knife
is
super,
it's
not
the
sharpest
knife,
but
it's
better
than
no
knife,
and
and
probably
you
can
use
it,
you
know
it's
it's
very
helpful
to
have
it
so
that
I
have
sounds
very
interesting.
It
sounds
awesome.
E
B
B
How
we,
how
we
did
that
in
the
past-
and
it's
it's
really
engaging
and
people
really
liked
it,
and
it
had
this
advantage
if
we,
by
doing
this
sort
of
airdrop
voting,
people
can
participate
without
having
to
divulge
their
identity,
and
that
was
really
attractive
to
a
lot
of
people.
So
we
kicked
it
off
with
this
new
voting
thing
that
tokens
were
air
dropped
on.
B
B
Those
dates
are
captured
here
somewhere
yeah
right
here,
so
they're
air
dropped
on
the
11th
and
the
the
votes
will
be
tallied
on
the
25th
the
distributions
below,
but
basically
this
is
to
fund
our
ongoing
infrastructure
costs.
There's
a
budget.
If
we
look
at
the
I
added
links
to
these
qr
codes
to
the
blockchain
explorer.
B
B
B
B
I'm
planning
on
doing
the
same
thing
where
we'll
we'll
air
drop,
ten
thousand
voting
tokens
and
yeah
the
voting's
actually
I'll,
just
show
this.
If
you
go
to
david
or
daniel's
profile,
and
you
go
to
the
voting
section,
it'll
it'll
link
to
this
page,
which
is
which
is
my
my
proposal,
and
so
this
is.
This
is
where
you'd
actually
vote
on
this
on
this
page
and
this
this
is
basically
just
a
just
like
the
infrastructure
proposal.
B
This
is
just
to
keep
things
moving
along
the
way
they've
been,
and
so
I'm
gonna.
I
think
I
already
announced
this
in
the
vip
channel.
This
is
a
good
time
for
us
to
discuss
these
proposals.
We've
got
two
weeks,
we'll
have
another
opportunity,
as
the
community
committee
meeting
to
discuss
this,
but
you
know
mostly
this
is
this
is
for
the
vip
members
to
sort
of
raise
any
objections
of
which
there's
several
here.
So
this
is
a
good
opportunity
for
that,
but
also
we
can
take
this
offline.
B
But
basically
the
main
focus
in
terms
of
the
funding
proposal
is
that
you
know
we're.
We
have
income
and
we
have
outgo
and
at
the
end
of
the
day
those
two
things
need
to
match.
We
can
we
can
sort
of
borrow
from
the
future
by
issuing
more
tokens
and
then
we
you
know,
then
then
we
can
pay
for
immediately,
but
that's
gonna
eventually
catch
up
with
us,
and
so
right
now
we're
we're
pretty
much.
You
know
even
we're
in
the
black
we're
treading
water
and
so
there's
there.
B
We
have
to
increase
our
efforts
to
bring
more
clients
to
full
stack,
dot,
cash
and
burn
more
tokens
with
apps
like
tour
list
and
wallet.fullstack.cache,
and
then
and
then
we'll
have
more
that
we
can
allocate
to
to
future
projects.
So
right
now
with
with
where
everything's
at
everything's
copacetic
the
ends
are
meeting
we're,
not
we're
not
issuing
more
tokens
and
then
we
can
pay
for
so
we're
in
a
good
place.
B
Even
though
we're
small-
and
I
think
once
we
get
the
second
proposal
out
of
the
way
everything
can
keep
chugging
along
everything,
all
the
basic
you
know
needs
are
covered,
and
then
we
can
really
start
to
to
grow
from
there
and
and
start
to
explore
some
of
these.
These
proposals,
for,
for
you,
know
more
more
exotic
projects,
so
yeah
I'll
just
kind
of
leave
it
there.
Does
anybody
have
any
feedback.
B
Okay:
okay!
Well
again,
I,
like,
I
said
I'll
I'll,
bring
this
to
the
vip
telegram
channel
and
we
can
talk
about
it
there
if
there's
any
token
holders
that
that
you
know
have
any
significant
input
on
this
process
or
don't
like
what.
Basically,
what
I'm
trying
to
do
right
now
is
be
sensitive
to,
if,
if
I'm
stepping
out
of
line
or
if
I'm
doing
something
that
somebody
objects
to
like,
I'm,
actually
a
little
surprised
to
see
those
no
votes.
B
A
Chris,
I
think
it's
I
think
it's
been
very
well
thought
out,
it's
evolved
and
so
there's
been
checks
and
balances.
I'm
curious
to
know
if
you
know
people
will
digest
this
and
talk
about
it
in
the
vip
room,
but
I
think
it's
a
good
idea
to
to
go
through
it
like
you've
done
and
yeah
give
us
time
to
digest
and
see.
If
there's
any
objection
to
any
of
it,
but
looks
good
to
me
thanks
david.
B
I
would
love
help
in
that,
like
I'd
love
to
just
get
a
healthy
discussion
going
in
our
telegram
chat
room
about
dowse
and
voting
in
particular,
because
because
there
is
this
notion
of
voting
fatigue
where
you
know
it's
something
that
all
dao
struggle
with.
Is
this
idea
that
you
know
most
stakeholders?
Don't
don't
want
to
vote
on
things?
B
So
we
kind
of
have
both
stakeholders
and
board
of
directors
like
people
playing
the
same
role.
So
we
also
are
going
to
have
to
deal
with
this
sort
of
voting
fatigue,
and
that
was
a
logic
for
a
role
in
all
three
of
those
funding
proposals
into
one
vote
just
so
we
can
get
it
out
of
the
way
with
with
one
vote
rather
than
try
and
do
three
separate
votes.
B
B
Those
are
the
types
of
things
you
just
can't
plan
for
so
and
that's
the
type
of
thing.
If
we
had
a
petty
cash
well,
we
do
have
a
petty
cash
wallet,
but
of
course
it's
it's
it's
getting.
It's
not
like
I'd
like
to
make
it
like
official,
so
ideas
of
things
that
we
could
use
this
sort
of
petty
cash
wallet
for
would
be.
You
know
rewarding
bug
fixes
when
they,
when
they
happen,
hackathon,
prizes
and
and
just
just
have
something
where
we
can
onboard.
B
B
He
was
gonna,
be
here
today
and
he
was
gonna
talk
about
bounties,
but
you
know
that
that's
another
thing:
if
we
had
a
petty
cash
wallet
we
could
sort
of
may
it
would
be
an
extension
of
the
idea
of
pain
for,
for
bugs
that
are
found
is
instead
of
being
reactive.
We
could
be
proactive
and
be
like.
Oh
you
know
this.
B
B
Yeah,
you
know
that's
a
good
question.
I
haven't
fully
thought
it
out,
but
based
on
it,
you
know
most
of
these
the
two
proposals
that
I've
had
so
far
they're
they
there
for
three
months,
they're
like
for
a
quarterly
thing.
So
I
think
we
do
the
same
thing
here
and
it
would
probably
just
be
like
5
000
tokens,
I'm
just
using
that
number
off
the
top.
My
head
just
set
aside
for
this
specific
thing
so
that
you
know
it
would
be
mostly
like
community.
B
B
B
B
That's
like
really
maximizing
the
value
of
our
psf
token,
because
it's
hard
to
put
a
price
on
those
types
of
things
I
mean.
I
know
the
bounties
were
definitely
not
paying
market
prices
and
definitely
same
with
the
the
the
bug
bounties
or
with
the
yeah,
with
the
bug
bounties,
where,
if
you
were
to,
if
you
were
to
try
and
like
put
a
us
dollar
like
price
on
any
given
you
know
situation,
I
guarantee
that
whatever
we
pay
out
in
tokens
is
significantly
less
than
that.
B
E
Yeah
it's
it's
kind
of
from
the
sidelines,
I'm
saying
sorry
for
that,
but
I
just
want
to
share
this
thought
or
this
insight,
which
is
not
even
a
special
insight.
It's
just
this.
This
point
that
I'm
having
about
where
I'm
seeing
like
any
any
project
is
or
a
few
projects
that
are
creating
this
base
layer
and
have
these
second
order
app
developers
and
big
corporations.
E
They
are
waiting
for
or
building
the
infrastructure,
which
is
all
a
great
idea
and
a
good
thing,
but
I'm
also
seeing
the
need
for
the
use,
for
you
know
the
third
order
to
actually
not
wait
until
10
20
years
when
everything
is
optimized
and
the
infrastructure
is
set,
and
you
know
google
talk
took
over,
but
that
we
actually
take
to
take
petty
businesses
or
small
hustlers.
I
call
them.
You
know
like
some
guy
who,
as
I
said,
who
is
a
mobile
money
agent
in
africa
in
in
ghana.
E
Also
he
where
I
was
working
in
a
project
you
know
I
forgot
to
tell
this.
I
was
working
on
a
bitcoin
cash
house
before
so
I
have
these
little
business
ideas
or
little
stories
where
we
all
had
some
potential
use
cases,
but
not
the
infrastructure,
which
was
not
that
hard
to
do.
What
we,
for
example,
would
need
have
needed
was
a
wallet
where
you
could
send
a
note.
E
That's
all
we
needed
for
this
little
petty
unautomatized
business
to
actually
work
conveniently
enough
for
that
mobile
money
agent
to
say,
okay,
I
do
it
because
that
mobile
money
agent,
for
example,
is
just
this
very
special
example
needed
this
way
to
communicate
the
telephone
number
where
he
has
to
send
the
mobile
money
to
when
he
gets
the
bitcoin
cash.
So,
of
course
they
can
meet
on
telegram
and
talk
on
telegram
about
this,
and
then
he
sends
him
the,
but
it
starts
to
get.
E
You
know
complicated,
ineffective,
inefficient
and
maybe
he
would
use
another
chain
because
that
other
chain
gives
gives
these
persons
exactly
that
this.
So
I'm
thinking
how
is
maybe
I'm
also
totally
wrong
coming
here
and
asking
you
guys
for
it.
But
what
I
think
you
know
the
psf
is
is
also
creating
a
base
layer.
Creating
a
best
layer
for
app
developers
also
for
small
app
developers
and
and
in
a
smaller
scale.
E
Maybe
there
are
some
basic
tools
that
we
can
give.
Also
people
who
are
not
necessarily
developers.
You
know
this
wordpress
style
modular
thing
where
I'm
where
and
this
is
to
to
wrap
it
up
the
whole
point
of
this
coordination,
because
if
you're
an
entrepreneur
or
if
you
are
a
in
essence,
you
just
coordinate
the
buyer
and
the
seller
or
the
one
guy
who
wants
to
make
commercial
activity
with
the
other.
E
You
have
created
the
better.
It
is
that's
why
you
see
people
starting
to
create
these
petty
businesses
instead
of
creating
their
own
online
shop.
They
just
go
to
facebook
and
create
a
facebook
group.
So
you
know
we.
We
sell
electronic
goods
in
uganda
and
we
had
set
up
a
online
shop
and
all
this
infrastructure-
it's
not
much,
but
you
know
for
someone
who
doesn't
develop
it,
it's
a
lot
of
hustle
and
at
the
end
we
didn't
use
it.
E
We
just
went
to
facebook,
where
we
have
a
bigger
group
of
more
interested
people
who
are
more
willing
to
buy
from
that
site
and
buy
our
goods
instead
of
you
know,
going
to
our
online
shop.
So
while
stamp
is
doing
something
like
stamp,
if
you,
if
you
remember,
is
doing
this
communication
thing
already,
I
think
there
is
more
also
to
than
just
communication
in
front
that
you
could
give
people
to
to
use
which
is
you
know?
One
is
the
connection,
then
I
mean
the
connection
would
be
the
base
layer.
E
You
know
everyone
who
uses
bch
and
has
a
and
he
can
use
this
service.
It
would
be
great,
like
the
swap
protocol
of
every
wallet
for
bch
automatically.
Has
this
swap
feature
in
it?
Wow
great,
you
have
a
giant
order
book
bigger
than
binance.
Okay,
so
that's
one
thing
connection,
then
there's
communication,
these
people
have
to
be
able
to
communicate
and
so
that
they
easily
can
send
make
their
deals,
not
just
sending
money
but
sending
money
with
a
note,
as
I
said
before,
for
example,
and
third,
what
I
am
adding
now
is
them.
E
You
know
that
the
last
point
which
maybe
even
just
like
the
little
bit
on
top,
is
the
location
locating
being
able
to
actually
say
like
hey,
you
know
we
we
have
this
with
bitcoin
maps
and
stuff.
We
have
merchants,
but
these
are
just
the
merchants
and
shops.
I
think
there's
there's
also
a
good
way
to
say
to
be
able
to
actually
tell
everybody
else,
I'm
here.
E
If
you
need
me
to
do
this,
and
that
or
I
sell
this
here
or
I
you
know,
we
can
make
this
deal
here
for
any
deal
that
needs
physical
coordination
and
and
coordination
is
that's
the
word
already
in
coordinates.
You
know
you
tell
them
here
and
then,
if
you
have
these
these
three
things
you
you
have
added
a
very
efficient
flow
of
coordination,
so
that
I
think
that's
all
I
wanted
to
say
so.
B
B
B
B
B
I'm
trying
to
help
you,
you
know,
do
whatever
you
want
to
do
in
your
neck
of
the
woods
and
so
a
few
of
the
things
like
I
know
you
were
a
big
admirer
of
the
geodrop
dot
cash
game,
advertising
app
that
we
built
for
the
last
hackathon
yeah.
I
mean
that
there's
so
many
ideas
that
revolve
around
a
map
that
that
can
be
solved
by
that.
So
that's
you
know.
B
So
that's
like
I'm
really
thinking
heavily
in
terms
of
component
pieces
like
lego
blocks
like
that
map
part
is
just
one
lego
block
and
then
like
this
ipfs
coordination
thing
that
provides
like
end
end
encrypted
chat
and
the
ability
to
circumvent
censorship.
Easily
that's
another
like
important,
lego
block,
and
then
you
know
the
web
wallet.
The
approach
we've
taken
with
wallet.fullstack.cache
is
that
we're
trying
to
build
this
like
very
minimal
wallet
that
has
very
few
function
out
very
little
functionality,
but
then
is
like
the
the
big
flat
lego
block
that
you'd
start
with
that.
B
You
put
all
the
other
lego
blocks
on
top
of,
and
and
so
we
build.
Then
we
can
build
plug-ins
like
the
map.
Thing
would
be
a
plug-in,
hopefully
someday,
so
then
so
that
we
can
take
any
given
use
case
like
whether
it's
a
money
exchanger
in
ghana
or
you
know,
a
coffee
shop
in
venezuela
or
a
hotel
in
australia.
B
You
know
they
can
just
they
can
be
like
okay,
here's
here's
my
business!
Here's
what
I
need
for
my
business
like
the
example
that
you
gave
is
like.
I
need
to
be
able
to
send
a
token,
and
I
need
to
be
able
to
send
notes
and
attach
a
note
to
the
transaction,
which
is
actually
a
hard
thing
to
do
in
bitcoin
cash,
because
the
token
takes
up
that
one
space.
B
That's
there
for
the
note
technically
and-
and
so
you
know,
but
but
being
able
to
look
at
any
given
use
case
any
given
business
use
case
and
then
be
like
okay,
so
we're
gonna
need
you
know
these
four
lego
pieces
and
click.
Click.
Click!
Click!
Here
you
go.
Here's
here's
the
app
for
your
particular
business
use
case.
So
that's
that's
what
I
am
that's
the
focus
that
I
have
that's.
What
I'm
trying
to
achieve.
E
E
Obviously,
like
this
library
or
whatever
I
mean
even
lower
layer,
but
in
the
end
it
brings
so
much
more
potential
users,
if
you,
if,
if
you
don't
have
to
code,
to
be
a
coder
to
be
able
to
create
your
to
set
up
shop
or
if
you're,
not
at
least
dependent
on
a
coder
to
set
up
your
shop
and
then
you
have
like
potential
millions
of
people
who
may
might
be
creating
commercial
activity,
they
might
fail
or
not,
but
they
they
you.
They
wouldn't
even
come.
E
If
you
wouldn't
have
it
so
the
modular
thing
is
yes,
you
know
you
need
like
epch,
for
example,
if
you,
if
you
remember
just
needs
a
donation
address,
they
don't
need
much
much.
They
just
need
a
picture
of
themselves
and
what
they
do
and
they
donation
it
does.
The
word
module,
which
is
not
even
a
module.
You
just
need
to
put
in
your
address,
but
the
other
person,
the
mobile
money
agent,
probably
needs
an
escrow.
So
you
know
there
is
the
security.
E
So
so
we
need
an
escrow
api
so
that
I
don't
have
to
tell
you
not
to
tell
someone
to
go
to
local.bitcoin
and
sign
up
there
and
make
all
this.
So
we
can
have
this
so
all
these
little
things,
these
modular
things
for
this
shop,
you're
setting
up
I'm
seeing
this
I
mean
I'm
I'm
always
having
this
as
a
map.
Basically.
E
E
E
You
know
little
shark
symbols,
so
so
they
thought
of
everything
that
you
can
use,
but
there
is
no
search
function
on
google
maps,
where
you
can
say
show
me
all
scientific,
shark
sightings
and
what
you
can
find
there
and
then
it
gives
you
three
groups
who
are
doing
this
for
science.
So
these
are
just
private
things.
You
can
use
it,
but
it's
not
one
giant
order
book
of
of
all
the
information
that
you
could
ask
for,
but
I'm
saying
like
we
could
create
some.
E
We
could
take
the
base
layer
idea
of
google
maps
where
you
have
a
map
and
everything
you
need.
You
just
put
on
a
layer
on
top
and
then
and
then
you
know
our
airbnb
all
these
people,
they
have
all
their
own
map,
they
all
have
one
niche
and
their
map
on
top.
What
what
is
I
mean?
It's
a
map,
it's
still
it's
our
planet.
It's
the
same
thing,
you
know
what
I
mean,
so
everyone
could
actually
use
the
same
map
and
they
use
actually
google
maps.
E
The
the
thing
is,
we
can
now
go
and
take
our
crypto
mission
say
like
every
crypto
guy
can
now
use
crypto
maps
where
we
can
create
all
these
commercial
activities.
So
this
was
the
this
this
next
step
to
the
whole
coordination
thing.
What
I
was
talking
so
did
so.
For
me
there
was
the
solution
or
one
business
where
the
psf
already
created.
Half
the
rent,
as
I
said,
as
you
said,
the
peer
repair.
B
B
That's
the
it's!
It's
the
devils
and
the
details
I
mean
it's
like
it's
like
so
map
is
a
perfect
example.
Google's
really
changed
the
whole
like
from
a
developer
standpoint
like
it's.
A
different
world
like
google
maps,
is
becoming
less
and
less
approachable
as
a
developer,
and
that's
why,
when
daniel
and
I
built
go
geodrop.cache,
we
ended
up
going
with
this
other
open
source
software.
So,
like
that's
an
example
of
a
detail.
B
Right
like
you,
just
need
a
map
right
but
like
well,
it
turns
out
like
there's
issues
with
google
like
daniel,
couldn't
even
access
it.
The
api
in
venezuela
apparently
venezuelans
are
blocked
and
you
know
so
there's
all
those
details
and
that's
just
the
map,
and
then
you
know
the
data
on
the
map
like
the
shark
sightings
like
you're,
saying
well.
B
Well,
that's
a
database
and
and
the
this
this
idea
of
a
peer-to-peer
database,
that's
almost
kind
of
like
an
oxymoron
like
no
one
ever
thought
you
could
actually
do
a
database
that
wasn't
centralized,
and
so
that's
a
paradigm
shift,
and
so
there's
there's
these.
You
know,
there's
there's
the
map
technology,
there's
the
database
and
then
there's
censorship,
and
these
are
all
just
details
that
like
when
you
finally
put
you
know
you're
you're
envisioning,
like
the
final
product
that
users
would
use
and
it's
this
beautiful
thing,
but
then
to
actually
like
manifest
it
into
reality.
B
You
have
to
you
have
to
deal
with
these
these
details,
and
so
that's
I
mean
I
I'm
really
glad
to
hear
that,
like
you
have
a
clear
you,
you
can
clearly
see
what
is
needed,
and
so
that's
that's
great
for
me
to
hear
as
a
builder,
because
because
I'm
that's
what
I'm
working
towards
I'm
trying
to
like
deal
with
all
these
details
and
we'll
get
there,
we
will
get
there.
I
mean.
B
So
another
thing
you
said
was:
wouldn't
it
be
great
if
you
didn't
have
to
be
a
developer,
to
put
all
these
legos
together,
I
don't
think
we'll
ever
get
there,
but
what
we
can
do
is
make
it
easy
enough,
so
that
just
normal
developers
with
no
crypto
experience
can
can
pick
up
these
lego
blocks
and
put
them
together.
So
you
still
have
to
have
some
level
of
technical
expertise.
That's
really
what
I'm
trying
to
do.
I
get
a
lot
of
a
lot
of
people.
B
B
What
I,
with
a
type
of
relationship,
I'm
trying
to
get
into
with
with
people
approach
me,
is
like
you,
should
hire
a
developer,
manage
your
own
developer
and
bring
them
to
the
permissionless
software
foundation
and
we'll
help
guide
them
and
help
them
navigate
the
whole
crypto
landscape
because,
like
if
you
can
just
build
like
a
develop,
if
you
can
find
a
developer,
who
can
build
just
a
you
know,
google
map
app
or
a
phone
app
like
there's
a
lot
of
those
on
the
planet.
You
can.
B
You
can
find
one
of
those
people
and
then
and
then
what
you
really
need
is
the
specialized
crypto
knowledge
that
the
permissionless
software
foundation
provides,
and
so
that's
sort
of
the
happy
medium
in
terms
of
actually
like
manifesting
these
apps.
Like
that's,
I
think,
that's
the
happy
medium
I'm
trying
to
achieve.
E
G
F
E
Great,
the
the
reason
why
I'm
saying
this
or
why
I'm
pushing
or
you
know,
frustrating
is
sitting
here
telling
you
this
has
to
happen.
It's
it's.
I
understand
all
the
drawbacks
and
all
the
problems
and
and
the
resources
that
has
to
go
into
this,
but
I
have
a
it's
for
me.
Something
shouldn't
be
disregarded
even
now.
You
know
just
from
the
concept
drill
because,
like
let's
say
this
geo
location
that
you
have
created,
it
has
one
use
case.
E
I
understand
it
is
just
showing
something,
but
what
if
just
some
someone
uses
the
map
in
future
or
create,
or
we
create
this
map
in
future?
But
it
is
just
a
token
address
game,
even
though
we
could
have
this
token
airdrop
game
on
that
base.
Layer
map
is
just
one
of
the
many
layers
that
you
could
actually
use
so
that
that
is
the
one
concept
that
I'm
saying,
which
I,
which
I'm
very
I
think
is
very
important
for
people
to
to
remember
when
we
are
going
further
to
work
on
these
things.
E
B
Yeah
yeah,
I
like
that
idea.
I
mean
I
really
like
that
idea.
If
we,
if
we
took
the
map,
that's
that's
part
of
the
geodrop
game
and
then
abstracted
the
the
data
that
gets
drawn,
the
pins
that
get
dropped
on
that.
If
that
was
just
like
a
peer-to-peer
database,
and
then
that
way,
you
just
you,
have
the
same
map
layer
and
you
just
choose
which
database
you
want
to
overlay
on
top
of
the
map.
That
would
be
pretty
sweet.
E
Yeah,
this
is
how
I
actually
created
something
some.
What's
the
word
mock-up
on
google
google
maps,
where
I
have
some
different
layers
like,
as
I
said,
driver
airdrop,
you
can
actually
have
a
pin
advertisements
or
bitcoin.com,
for
example,
could
advertise
on
on
every
corner
only
on
the
earth
like
a
table,
you
know
or
like?
What's
the
word,
you
know
a
big
sign
and
what
not
stuff
like
this
or
even
digital
everything
that
is
in
the
digital
realm,
can
now
have
a
brick
and
mortar
shop
on
top
of
the
map.
G
B
B
Okay,
all
right!
Well
kosha.
I
really
appreciate
your
your
input
and
yeah
that
that
was
very
helpful
for
me
to
hear
that
and
I
think
we're
in
a
good
place
in
terms
of
this
community
and
the
voting
process
again
we'll
I
encourage
anybody
who
watches
this
youtube,
video,
the
recording
later
to
to
jump
on
our
telegram
channel
I'll,
put
a
a
link
to
the
telegram
channel
in
the
show,
notes
and
yeah.
B
B
I
think
we
can
call
it
a
day
unless
anybody
has
anything
else
right
on
all
right.
Well,
cheers
guys
really
appreciate
you
attending
it's.
It's
always
the
more!
The
more
more
is
better
like
to
a
point.
We're
not
near
that
point
yet
so
really
really
appreciate
you
guys
taking
the
time
out
of
your
day,.