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From YouTube: PSF TC Meeting 12.08.21
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Technical Steering Committee Meeting for Dec. 8, 2021
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B
B
A
C
Go
ahead
david,
I
am
david
r
allen
and
I
have
been
a
supporter
of
chris
since
before
he
was
born
and
just
to
put
things
into
context,
chris
has
managed
to
gather
around
him
some
of
the
best
programmers
in
the
space
and
I'm
all
for
the
principles
of
the
permission
of
software
foundation.
So
it's
a
pleasure.
It's
a
pleasure
to
be
able
to
contribute.
Thank
you.
D
B
In
fact,
one
of
the
things
I
want
to
go
into
today
is
a
continuous
continuation
of
a
discussion
we
had
going
in
the
vip
telegram
channel
around
multi-signature,
wallets
and
and
creating
that
sort
of
mentee
council
and
sort
of
how
we
might
go
about
doing
that
before
we
do
that.
Let's
start
at
the
top,
so
psf
clear.
B
Psf
core
software
is
our
bch
api
bchjs.
That's
the
ipfs
web
wallet,
there's
not
a
lot
to
report
in
the
category
of
projects
right
now.
What
we're
doing
in
preparation
for
building
out
the
the
dexes?
The
decentralized
exchanges
is
we're,
starting
to
split
out
the
the
the
gatsby.
The
web
wallet
gatsby
theme
that
we
maintain
into
gatsby
theme
web
wallet.
This
is
going
to
be
like
our
web.
2.0
stack
it'll
be
just
a
very
conventional
theme.
This
is
mostly.
F
B
You
see
when
you
go
to
wallet.fullstack.cache
it's
just
this
core
wallet
engine
for
a
web
wallet
extended
to
be
forked
and
listed
by
other
people.
It
just
provides
the
basic,
send
and
receive
bitcoin
cash
and
receive
slp
tokens
and
that's
being
forked
out
of
gatsby
ipfs
web
wallet,
which
is
the
legacy
repo.
This
one's
going
to
focus
more
on
ipfs.
B
It's
going
to
have
its
own
ipfs
node
baked
into
it,
so
that
basically
we're
trying
to
make
this
like
the
uncensorable
version
of
the
app.
So
you
would
open
it
probably
from
file
coin
loaded
through
ipfs
in
your
browser.
It
would
spin
up
an
ipfs
node
within
the
browser
and
connect
directly
to
a
wallet
service
through
ipfs,
and
so
all
of
these
ways
of
doing
it
make
it
very
difficult
to
censor.
It
should
also
make
it
usable
in
countries
that
are
actively
trying
to
censor
access
to
the
blockchain.
Like
china
or
you.
F
B
B
B
Yeah
thanks
aaron
yeah.
I
I
got
to
a
point
where
it's
like.
I
realize
we're
really
chasing
two
distinct
goals
I
mean
one
is
we
need
to
have
a
smooth
interface
that
follows
web
2.0,
best
practices
that
companies
are
used
for
that
would
want
to
whitelist
the
ipfs
stuff
is
just
it's
consent,
you
know,
but
if
you,
if
censorships,
is
a
priority,
then
that's
what
it's
built
for,
and
so
I
just
realized,
like
two
code
bases
to
to
pursue
these
two
very
different
goals.
B
Yeah
well
a
perfect
example
of
this.
This
real
world
and
recent
example
of
this
is
uniswap,
so
uniswap
the
the
group
of
developers
that
own
unit.com
by
the
fcc
and
they
were
forced
under
threat
of
violence,
to
de-list
several
of
the
tokens
on
their
website.
But
because
uniswap
is
more
than
just
the
website
at
uniswap.com,
it's
a
protocol.
B
Anyone
can
still
trade.
In
fact
they
can
still
trade
them
through
shapeshift
app
at
the
front
and
instead
of
using
uniswap.com
or
there's
other
there's
other
software.
You
can
use
because
think
it's
a
protocol
there's
a
very
real
scenario
here,
where
full
stack
dot
cash
to
shut
down
in
the
future,
because
it
might
be
offer
rest
api
access
to
blockchain
services,
in
which
case
the
ipfs
version
will
simply
live
on
ipfs
and
there's
nothing
that
we
can
do
or
government
entity
can
do
to
stop
that.
B
I
wanted
to
quickly
review
this
web
3.0
cash
stack
article
I
published
last
week
and
then
changes
to
ifs,
bch
wallet,
consumer
and
pcf
psf
bc,
wallet,
which
is
our
command
line
wallet.
So
I've
talked
in
the
past
about
so
there's
a
link
to
this
article
here
in
the
agenda.
It's
also
on
troutsblog.com
confused
by
this
weird
looking
url
and
there's
a
link
to
it
in
the
psf
telegram
channel.
But
if
I
scroll
down
this
is
basically
the
the
web.
B
2.0
cache
stack
where
this
is
how
every
web
2.0
application
is
built.
High
level
is,
there's
the
the
top
level
application,
the
phone
app,
that
a
person
interacts
with
there's
some
sort
of
integration,
library
below
that
which
then
communicates
via
a
rest
api
to
a
back
end
restater,
and
then
that
that
rest
api
is
going
to
be
connected.
B
It
needs
to
live
in
the
cloud
like
it's
not
really
feasible
to
run
this
on
a
home
server
connection.
It's
just
there's,
there's
too
many
other
networking
issues
that
happen
and
that's
why?
Nobody
really
does
it
that
way,
and
so
because
this
has
to
live
in
the
cloud.
That
means
you
have
to
pay
to
have
all
this
infrastructure
in
this
cloud
and
in
the
case
of
cash
or
cash.
This
is
a
significant
amount
of
software.
B
This
is
like
three
at
least
three
or
more
major
pieces
of
software,
all
working
together
that
that
that
cost
quite
a
bit
to
run
on
a
computer
and
and
if
you
don't
pay
those
bills,
all
that
infrastructure
evaporates
like
smoke,
and
so
this
is
sort
of
one
of
the
you
know
a
lot
of
times.
I
feel
like
trying
to
make
crypto
fit
into
this
web
2.0
framework
is
like
a
square
peg
and
a
round
hole,
and
so
over
the
last
year
of
really
thinking
about
this
problem,
I've
come
in
the
the
web.
B
3.0
cache
stack,
so
the
front
end
stays
the
same.
That
doesn't
change
at
all,
but
instead
of
reaching
a
global
back
end,
which
you
can
still
do
it's
it's
all.
It's
still
an
option.
Basically,
this.
I
just
inserted
this
this
in
the
middle
and
this
one
little
piece
up
top,
so
you
can
always
circumvent
that
and
go
straight
from
the
integration
library
to
the
rest,
api
and
you're
back
to
the
original
web
2.0
model.
So
so
this
model
is
backwards
compatible.
B
Those
are
capable
of
running
this
local
back
end
as
well
as
the
front
end
library.
So
you
could
run
a
copy
of
wallet.fullstack.cache
locally.
Have
it
talk
to
this
consumer,
which
is
a
very
small,
lightweight
rest
api,
and
then
you
can
use
all
the
conventional
development
tools
for
developing
web
apps
as
you're
just
talking
to
a
rest
api,
which
is
the
industry
standard
and
everything's
happening
locally,
and
then
just
that
wallet
consumer
is
communicating
over
ipfs
to
a
bigger
backend,
and
we
currently
have
three
or
four
different
back-ends
available
to
choose
from.
B
B
You
get
this
sort
of
redundant
background,
you're
not
dependent
on
any
one
fixed
backend.
You
have
multiple
backends
to
choose
from.
If
one's
down
you
can
just
switch
to
and
depending
on
your
geographic
location
in
the
world,
you're
probably
going
to
prefer
one.
That's
geographically
closer
to
you
and
that'll
that'll
show
what
you
can
see
and
that
actually
measures
that
and
chooses
the
one
the
best
latent
or
the
lowest
latency,
so
yeah.
I
just
want
to
encourage
people
to
read
this
article
dig
in
a
little
deeper.
B
Yeah
yeah
and
I'm
gonna
be
rolling
out
two
videos
on
this
and
going
on
the
the
psf
website,
but
yeah
this
this
whole
front
end
and
the
local
back
end
is
what
you
would
run
on
a
raspberry
pi
or
your
your
home
computer.
Any
sort
of
low
grade
computer
that
software
through
ipfs
can
leverage
the
bigger
the
bigger
bulkier
backend.
B
G
D
B
Yeah,
that's
a
good
question
aaron
by
the
way
they're
saying
that,
maybe
they
can't
hear
you
but
stoin.
Okay,
that's
a
really
good
question
stoian!
So
the
one
of
the
like,
I
guess,
one
of
the
main
features
of
this
architecture
is
that
it's
going
to
be
really
hard
to
get
develo.
I've
realized
that
it's
going
to
be
really
hard
to
get
developers
to
learn
protocol
to
learn
this
new
json
over
ipfs
json,
and
so
what
this
does.
B
Is
it
it
sort
of
hides
all
that
that's
still
being
used
between
consumer
and
the
service
provider?
That's
what's
proxying
their
api,
but
on
either
end
the
developers
are
just
using
the
rest
api
and
they
don't
have
to
think
about
it,
and
so
it
it
is
still
very.
It
is
still
there
and
it
is
still
used
and
for
power
users
for
developers
who
really
want
to
like
get
into
the
nitty-gritty.
B
B
If
you're,
if
you're,
trying
to
work
directly
with
ipfs,
I
think
I
think
it
is
the
best
option.
It's
not
it's.
Just
it's
more
due
to
the
nature
of
the
of
the
protocol
of
ipfs,
it's
just
not
as
smooth
and
easy
and
fast
and
reliable
as
a
rest.
Api
is
might
be
able
to
get
there
and
money
and
and
effort,
but
but
also,
maybe
not
just
because
of
the
nature
of
the
of
the
beast.
So
that's
why
I
thought
it'd
be
better
to
to
basically
wrap
it
inside
of
a
rest
api.
B
I
I
mean
I,
I
really
took
my
time
to
make
sure
I
was
not
reinventing
the
wheel
when
I
created
it
created
the
protocol.
I
reached
out
to
a
lot
of
people
in
ipfs
to
see
if
there
was
a
better
way
to
do
it
and
the
answer.
No,
I
mean
there
are
ways
of
proxying
other
protocols
over
ipfs,
but
this
is
more
of
an
ipfs
native
way
to
do
it
and
as
a
result,
it's
flexible
and
and
so
yeah.
So
it
it's.
B
They're
just
gonna
see
that
they're
they're,
legal
and
they're
gonna
do
everything
about
board
and
that's
not
something
they
need
to
put
a
lot
of
time
or
effort
into,
and
so
it's
not
worth
it
for
them
to
take
on
the
extra
baggage
of
this
of
this
jason
rpc
over
ipfs.
So
I
think,
that's
one
why
we
sort
of
work
about
it,
whereas
other
projects
wouldn't
worry
about
it
and
so
yeah.
That's
that's
also
like
underlying
this
entire
conversation.
A
A
Like
you're
saying
and
that's
why
a
lot
of
the
reason
I'm
looking
at
it
from
both
sides
and
saying:
okay
down
the
line,
you
got
facebook
who's,
trying
to
push
the
metaverse
and
how
easy
would
it
be
for
them
to
censor
other
companies
that
are
trying
to
build
on
the
metaverse
and
take
their
stuff
offline
and
so
building
something
with
the
ipfs?
I
see
it
as
a
necessity
I
when
there's
ipfs
or
r
weave,
like
you
said
I
can
fire
up
a
raspberry
pi.
A
B
B
Is
this
json
rpc
over
ipfs?
It's
it's!
It's
able
to
talk
to
every
single
back
end
on
the
network,
including
the
ones
that
we
have
planned
or
designed
yet
it'll
be
able
to
find
figure
out
service
they
offer.
And
then,
if
we,
if
we
add
a
rest,
pi
end
point
for
it,
it
it'll
be
able
to
just
automatically
find
and
negotiate
and
consume
those
backend
services.
B
B
So
I
encourage
people
to
check
out
this
ipfs
bch
wallet
consumer.
That's
what
I'm
working
on
right
now
to
sort
of
wrap
off
rest
api
and
then
psf
bch
wallet
is
our
command
line.
Wallet!
That's
going
to
be
the
way
to
interact
with
that
consumer
rest
api
and
can
control
it
to
be
able
to
do
fine
grain
control
on
what
back
end?
Are
you
talking
to
to
this
other
back
end?
B
But
we
have
a
complete
like
trade
workflow
prototype
already
working,
and
now
we
just
need
to
integrate
it
into
this
obex
dex
and
what
it
can
do
right
now
is.
It
can
create
a
create,
an
order
and
that's
the
first
step
of
the
sort
of
three-step
trade
workflow
and
it
it
uses
the
pay
to
write
database
to
essentially
store
this
trade
information
and-
and
that's
essentially,
how
two
two
traders
you
know
communicate
through
through
constructing
these
partly
signed
transactions
and
passing
it
back
and
forth.
B
There's
like
two
or
three
times
until
you
end
up
with
a
a
complete
transaction
where
both
parties
get
what
they
want
and
they're
happy,
and
neither
party
can
can
sort
of
take
advantage
of
the
other
and
that's
what
makes
it
less
an
atomic
once
it's
complete
they.
They
both
agree
that
that
there's
no
shady
business
going
on
and
it
gets
broadcasted
and
and
then
it's
atomic
it
either
happened,
doesn't
because
it's
just
a
single
transaction.
B
So
the
we
just
got
a
matching
grant
from
the
ecash
global
network
council,
the
gnc,
and
so
that
was
approved.
They've
made
the
first
payment,
which
wasn't
due
until
january
1st,
so
we're
going
to
take
this
tech
that
we're
building
for
avalanche
and
we're
going
to
retrofit
it
to
work
on
the
ecash,
blockchain
and
and
do
the
same
thing
next
year,
and
so
I'm
pretty
excited
about
it,
and
then
we've
already
have
the
bridge
technology
developed,
even
though
we
don't
really
have
it
in
in
use.
B
B
B
B
So
one
token
at
a
time-
and
this
is
all
based
on
vin
armani's
original
work
with
the
swap
pro-
that's
how
he
was
able
to
make
it
trustless
and
atomic
yeah
and
yeah.
So
that
does
have
a
protocol
worked
out
to
do
token,
to
token
exchanges
and
that's
interesting,
but
I
don't
be
baked
and
we
just
do
more
research
so
right
now
the
focus
is
really
just
to
bare
minimum.
Keep
it
simple
yeah
make
that
work
and
then
see
if
we
can
do
more
complex.
A
And
for
those
who
are
watching,
you
know,
I
don't
think,
we've
even
fully
realized
the
advantage
of
tokens.
I
think
that
there
are
a
lot
of
business
use
cases
for
them,
whether
it's
being
a
farmer
who
wants
to
tokenize,
say
a
cow
and
sell
the
cow
like
this
is
an
example.
I
use
a
lot
where
say
you
buy
a
cow
because
I'm
from
the
midwest
people
do
that
here
they
you
know,
you
buy
a
half
cow,
a
whole
cow
quarter,
cow
whatever,
and
sometimes
you
may
not
have
the
freezer
space.
A
Well,
you
still
have
to
go
pick
up
that
cow
and
then
find
ways
to
distribute
the
meat
to
everybody
else.
Whereas
if
the
farmer
were
to
tokenize
the
cow
and
the
tokens
represented
a
claim
on
the
meat,
then
you
could
just
sell
the
tokens
on
an
open
marketplace
locally
and
then
whoever
else
can
go
pick
up
the
meat
and
while
that's
just
like
a
simple
step,
that's
one
thing:
where
now
you
don't
have
to
spend
that
time
going
out
and
giving
the
meat
away
to
your
friends
and
family
or
trying
to
sell
it
secondhand.
B
Yeah
yeah-
and
you
know
where
I
I
mean
token
usage
skyrocket-
is
dowels
and
video
games.
Those
are
like
the
two
things
that
are
just
I'm.
Seeing
hockey
stick
growth
right.
You
know
the
these
dow
they're
they're,
essentially
like
they
are
to
organizations
what
tokens
are
to
money
in
that
a
dow
can
be
anything
it
could
be
hey,
let's
raise
a
bunch
of
them
to
buy
art
or
hey.
B
B
Dao
has
toes
involved
and,
and
so
those
tokens
you
you
need
a
way.
Tokens
are
great
for
forming
a
community
within
a
larger
community.
So
you
know
the
psf,
then
the
bitcoin
cash
community-
or
you
know
we're
actually
across
train
community,
but
cryptocurrency's
always
been
about
community
and
tokens.
Don't
change
that
all
about
community,
but.
F
A
Are
critical
for
that
yeah
and
the
the
tokens
really
provide
a
way
like
you
said,
to
bring
that
community
together
on
a
common
ground
and
when
it
comes
to
dows,
I'm
excited
about
that
possibility.
I
I've
been
talking
to
the
people
that
I
work
with
locally
around
here
about
how
you
know:
we've
we've
kind
of
done
business,
the
same
way
for
the
last
150
years,
where
it's
like.
A
You
got
a
ceo,
you
got
a
board,
you
have
employees
and
you
have
investors
and
and
that's
it
and
we
haven't
seen
a
lot
of
evolution
and
all
of
a
sudden
here's
this
new
idea
of
the
the
dell
which
isn't
necessarily
new.
I
mean
it's
just
running
on
a
crypto
platform
type
of
thing,
and
now
we
we
are
finding
new
ways
to
do
finance
through
crypto
and
now
we're
finding
new
ways
to
do
business.
B
Yeah,
likewise,
likewise,
okay,
so
moving
on
last
sort
of
thing.
Update
on
the
agenda
is
the
slp
indexer.
There
was
a
flip
starter
fume
by
the
bch
community,
a
replacement
for
slpdb.
That's
going
extremely
well
so
far,
it's
the
tip
of
the
chain.
I've
got
a
what's
called
a
fast
re-index,
though,
what
it
does
is
it
every
slp
transaction
that's
ever
been
made,
and
so
anybody
who
wants
to
re-re-index
from
genesis.
B
So
if
you
change
parameters,
that's
what
you
have
to
do
is
you
have
to
re-index
from
genesis
it's
much
faster
because
it
it
it
can
basically
ignore
every
transaction
slp
transaction.
It
already
has
this
map
of
every
transaction.
Essa
has
been
made,
the
re-indexing,
you
know,
cuts
the
time
down
from
say,
maybe
two
weeks,
four
or
five
days,
and
so
that's
that's
convenient
it.
Also.
I've
got
it
now
staying
synced
with
the
tip
of
the
chain,
so
when
it
stays
synced.
B
So
yeah
once
it
once
it
syncs,
it
stays
synced
and
it's
also
now
working
with
unconfirmed
transactions,
just
like
slpdb
does
that's.
One
of
the
big
advantages
of
the
token
protocol
is
that
it's
secures
zero.
You
don't
need
to
wait
for
fully
accept
slp
tokens
because
they
use
this
property
of
the
dag
and
anyways
people
don't
need
to
understand
why
it
works.
They
just
need
to
know
that
it's
a
secure
you
can
securely
accept
it.
So.
B
B
We're
starting
to
add
that
it's
still,
it's
not
accurate,
that
that's
that's
sort
of
the
the
last
the
next
big
thing
is
is
actually
working
on
accuracy
and
like
right
now
I
don't
believe
it
actually
tracks
burn
tokens,
and
so
that's
the
next
thing.
I
need
to
focus
on
accurately
accounting
for
for
burned
tokens.
A
That
that's
something
I'm
really
excited
about,
and
especially
in
my
area,
because
I
I
do
see
the
slp
token,
it
is
really
easy
to
use
it's
really
easy
to
produce.
I
see
it
going
like
right
now,
a
lot
of
the
gaming's
in
the
ethereum
or
the
east
layer,
2
markets.
I
do
really
think
with
smart
bch
and
the
once
the
slp
dex
is
really
going.
A
A
I
have
a
bell
that
I
created
so
I'm
going
to
try
to
separate
it,
and
I
thought
it'd
be
cool
to
create
something
that
when
you
burn
an
slp
token,
the
bell
actually
rings.
So
you
would
send
it
to
a
wallet
address
to
burn
it,
and
then
the
bell
would
ring
as
a
burn,
and
then
I
thought
how
cool
would
that
be
to
to
do
it
with
psf
tokens
so
that
when
we
do
our
quarterly
burn,
it's
like
a
bell
is
ringing.
You
know
the
company.
B
Well,
I've
got
that
set
up
to
send
me
an
email
when,
whenever
a
significant
amount
of
p
tokens
get
burned,
whether
it's
paying
the
pay
to
write
database
you're
paying
for
stack
that
cash,
I
will
get
an
email-
it's
just
it's
just
to
me,
but
yeah.
So
that
would
be
the
equivalent
of
bringing
a
bell
yeah.
F
A
B
Of
use
cases
I
mean
they're
important,
but
the
thing
that
the
thing
that
is
required
to
make
them
a
reality
is
a
well
running,
indexer
and-
and
that's
what's
been
holding
this
stuff
back.
It's
not
it's
not
that
you
just
that
running.
Slpdb
requires
32
gigabytes
of
ram
and
and
that's
the
only
way
I
mean
without
relying
on
a
third
party
that
you
can
that
you
can
track
these
things.
B
B
So
that's
a
more
than
a
10x
improvement
over
slp
db
and
and
it's
going
to
allow
you
know
more
embedded
devices
to
to
work
with
tokens
and
not
necessarily
have
to
rely
on
a
third
party.
So
I'm
excited,
I
mean,
I'm
excited
for
all
these
applications
and
I
I
in
my
mind
the
only
reason
they
haven't
taken
off
is
just
because
it's
so
hard
to
maintain
and
run
this
infrastructure
and
there's
so
few
people
willing
to
do
that
and
and
provide
that
as
a
service.
A
Yeah
I
know
I
I
was
going
to
say
I
talked
to
aaron,
I've
been
talking
to
him
and
he's
interested
in
integrating
the
slp
stuff
as
well
once
that
gets
online.
So
I
think
a
lot
of
people
are
excited
about
what
the
work
you're
doing
with
the
slp
index
indexer
and
interested
to
start
developing
on
top
of
it
once
it
is
to
a
stable
place.
B
D
A
D
G
D
D
The
the
point
that
I
reached
was
there
is
some
specifications
from
the
two
years
and
this
this
examples
they're
a
little
older.
So
what
is
this
specification
talking
about?
It's
in
the
moment,
two
two
different
modes
of
these
signatures,
which
are
created
in
the
mode
one,
the
first
bit,
it's
up,
zero,
like
you
put
here
0,
but
the
transactions
are
in
this
ecdc
format.
F
A
D
F
B
Oh,
that's
interesting.
That
must
have
been
something
they
slipped
in
well
yeah.
So
when
I
for
the
encrypted
messaging,
like
message.fullstack.cache,
I
actually
don't
use
bchjs
for
that.
I
have
all
the
code
for
that
in
bch
message,
lib,
which
is
an
npm
library
and
a
repository.
I
can
send
you
the
link
for
that
and
it
uses
ecdsa
and-
and
it's
that's
interesting-
I
didn't
realize
because
we
started
to
implement
because
bchjs
was
forked
from
bitbox
and
we
implemented
the
snore
stuff.
B
D
A
Right
now
you
and
I
talked
about
the
snorer
a
little
bit
when
I
was
talking
about
securing
nfts,
because
I
wrote
up
a
paper
on
doing
it
with
the
ecdsa
model,
because
that's
what
bitcoins
use
and
then
I
was
like,
oh
well.
They
wanted
to
go
to
snore
after
that,
but
I
don't.
I
think
it
was
2018
when
they
really
started
when
that
got
released
and
they
really
started
saying
we're
going
to
go
over
to
snorer.
But
I
don't
know
if
it
have
ever
actually
happened.
A
D
D
B
Yeah
yeah,
that's
that's
great,
because
I
feel
like
we're
getting
close,
and
so
it's
good
for
us
to
start
making
plans
so
yeah.
We
can
already
do
multi-segmenting
on
avalanche
and
if
we
can
get
this
figured
out,
then
we'll
be
able
to
do
multi-segmenting
on
bch
and
ecash
and
and
just
it'd
be
nice
to
be
able
to
do
it
on
on
bch.
Just
because
that's
what
we're
already
geared
up
for.
Otherwise
we're
going
to
have
to
make
plans
to
make
some
other
chain
our
our
primary
chain,
yeah
and
so
anyway.
B
B
A
Well,
I
think
we
talked
about
in
the
chat.
We
talked
about
merit
a
little
bit.
We
talked
about
quantity,
we
talked
about
like
how
do
we,
so
you
meant
these
nfts.
You
got
an
nft,
you
can
be
on
the
minting
council
right
and
you
want
to
rotate
wallets
a
question
I
have
is
well
who's
in
charge
of
rotating
the
wallet.
Does
that
become
a
central
point
of
failure
for
something
like
this
and
then
with
the
nfts?
B
B
B
Yep
yep
exactly
well
so
I've
been
thinking
about
this
because
I've
gotta.
I
personally
have
to
be
careful
because
I
have
my
personal
interests,
but
then
I
have
the
greater
interest
of
the
of
the
of
the
group
to
to
consider
so
so
let
me
use
that
to
try
and
answer
some
of
these
questions
you
just
raised.
B
B
You
know
so
in
that
scenario
one
person
could
have
more
than
one
mentee
token,
and
and
we
couldn't,
we
couldn't
really
prevent
that.
We
I
mean
the
the
the
minting
token
itself
is
the
simple
resistance.
The
burning
of
the
of
the
scarce
resource,
which
is
bsf
tokens
or
merit,
would
would
be
our
civil
resistance,
but
but
we
can't
prevent
some
one
person
from
doing
that
multiple
times.
Well,.
A
B
The
other
is
to
sort
of
assess
people
who
are
non-responsive
and
then
and
then
that
way
we
don't
get
too
many
non-responsive
people
that
would
actually
interfere
with
our
ability
to
either
rotate
the
wall
or
mint
new
tokens
and
so
and
so
it
would,
it
would
be
a
it
would
be
a
responsibility.
You'd
be
expected,
you
know
to
to
show
up
and
to
participate,
and
with
this
encrypted
messaging
we
can
keep
everything
private
like.
We
don't
actually
need
to
know
who
the
people
are.
F
B
B
A
Well,
I
think
we
have
to
have
some
way
like
to,
like
you
said,
weed
out
the
non-active
participants,
and
maybe
that's
something
like
you
come
to
the
quarterly
meeting
and
at
that
point
you've
you
know
demanding
council
votes
and
those
who
are
there
to
vote
receive
a
new
token
or
a
new
nft.
You
know
that.
F
F
A
That's
how
you
do
it,
maybe
it's
maybe
you
want
something
to
to
where
it's
like
hey.
I
really
can't
be
there
that
day,
but
I
still
want
to
participate.
So
maybe
it's
something
that
that's
an
active
thing.
That's
where
I
think
the
burning
would
come
in.
So
if
you
burn
that
token
and
you
can
show
proof
of
burn
that
still
shows
that
you're
active
and
you
could
get
air
dropped,
a
new
nft
token
for
voting.
D
D
D
If
we
have,
if
we
have
something
like
this
diagnosis
stuff,
where
we
can
something
like
vote
or
how
to
sign
transactions,
not
only
minting
one,
I
think
it's
meaningful
to
have
this
console,
but
it
will
not
be
minting
console.
It
will
be
more
like
how
to
say
execution
executors
or
I
don't
know
what.
If
they
can
sign
transactions
for
payments
or
for
something
for
something
it
will
be,
it
will
make
sense
to
to
rotate
keys
and
stuff
like
this.
If
it's
only
for
minting.
I
think
it's
maybe
too
much.
B
E
B
D
It's
not
so
complicated
like
a
technique,
you
have
any
of
these
mint
then
burn
them
over.
It's
not
scotsy
rocket
science,
but
we
need
to
do
how
much
we
want
to
complicate,
because
every
complication
of
this
process
means
we
will
have
more
attack
vectors
like
if
it's
some
complicated
process.
We
cannot
follow
it.
Maybe
what
happens?
Who
is
now
the
who
stuff
like
this.
B
And
all
the
administrative
overhead
I
mean
yeah.
This
is
this
is
a
big
reason
for
us
to
just
move
over
to
you
know:
smart
bch
or
avalanche
or
or
even
like,
x-die
or
or
or
the
near
protocol
to
to
do
this,
because
we
then
we
can
leverage
these.
They
have
tools
for
specifically
the
scenario
that
we
can
leverage.
D
B
Yeah
well,
the
point
is
I
mean:
there's
there's
two
side,
there's
like
the
sort
of
social
validity
or
almost
what
you
can
almost
call
politics
and
then
there's
like
the
technical
reality.
There's
like
that,
there's
a
key
that
controls
the
minting
and
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
you
know
yeah,
I'm
I'm
just
kind
of
trying
to
restate
what
you
said
there.
Stoian
is
just
that.
B
Everybody
gets
the
token
voting.
Air
drop,
everybody
votes
and
it's
largely
just
symbolic.
It's
not
like
gnosis,
where
once
everybody
votes
like
it,
sets
off
a
chain
reaction
of
smart
contracts
that
nobody
can
stop
and
like.
We
don't
have
that.
We
don't
necessarily
need
that.
We're
really
just
looking
to
pull
the
the
people
that
matter
the
people
skin
in
the
game.
A
B
D
If
they,
for
example,
they
get
automatically
tokens
for
some
social
activities,
twitter,
facebook
or
some
somewhere,
they
will
be
more
interesting
and
it
will
be
maybe
become
a
better
publicity
for
the
whole
community,
then
asking
them
to
participate
in
some
where,
okay,
you
can
mean
tokens
what
whatever
they
will
be.
Not
so
interested.
Maybe
I
don't
know.
B
Yeah,
well,
you
know
that
made
me
think
of
sort
of
another
side
of
this
whole
discussion,
which
is
that
daniel
and
gary
rely
on
their
salary
of
psf
tokens
to
feed
themselves
and
and
then
these
grants
that
we're
getting
there.
They
are
being
used
to
take
psf
tokens
out
of
circulation.
So
we
are,
we
are.
We
have
already
approached
a
certain
level
of
of
gravitas
with
these
tokens
and
that
we
can't
just
we
have
to
be
good
stewards.
B
So
I
I
want
to
be
careful
with
how
the
token
gets
used
and
that's
one
of
my
big
fears
of
creating
a
minton
council
is
that
people
might
not
take
it
quite
so
seriously,
and
so
that's
a
scary.
You
know
thing,
but
I
also
realize
that
like,
if,
for
this
organization
to
grow,
it's
important
to
give
up
power
and
decentralize
the
power,
I
like
how.
D
F
F
A
B
A
D
A
D
A
D
B
A
B
B
A
A
A
B
D
F
B
My
yeah
like,
I
could
definitely
see
us
creating
a
second
token
just
for
tipping
just
for
social
interaction
that
you
know
and
with
the
dexes
it
could,
it
could
build
up
a
natural.
You
know
market-based
connection
to
our
original
psf
token,
like
the
spice
token
did-
and
you
know
we
could
use
that
more
more
liberally,
whereas
the
psf
token
as
exists
now,
would
be
more
of
our
our
currency.
B
F
A
B
Yeah
or
the
opposite
threat,
which
is
so
that's,
that's
sort
of
an
omission
attack
for
I
don't
know
there
might
be
a
better
word,
but
someone
basically
like
a
significant
quantity
of
the
of
the
minting
council
like
just
going
dark.
That
would
be
a
problem.
Another
problem
would
be
like
a
a
whale
coming
in
and
just
buying
a
bunch
of
psf
tokens
and
then
and
trying
to
like
that.
That
could
be
an
attack
right
like
if
it
costs
ten
thousand
dollars
to
buy
enough.
A
Your
life
stops
here
in
the
telegram
chat.
What,
if
the
token
is
limited
and
distributed
proportionately
to
merit,
so
newcomers
would
have
less
of
an
impact,
I.e
whale
just
what
we're
talking
about.
I
can
see
what
you're
talking
about
there,
because
maybe
even
purchasing
tokens
is
based
upon
the
merit
of
having
tokens
so
like
you
can
only
purchase
so
much
at
first
and
then
you
have
to
show
a
merit
of
having
those
for
some
period
of
time
before
you
can
purchase
more.
B
A
B
B
That's
been
working
really
well
for
voting,
which
then
you
know,
I
I
take
those
votes
and
then
I
I
have
the
minting
baton,
so
I
meant
them
in
you
know
as
a
result
of
the
vote
and,
like
I
said
like
so,
we
don't
we're,
actually
functioning
pretty
well
right
now
without
having
a
sort
of
automated
system.
It's
just
that
and
and
and
we're
also
like
sort
of
protected
in
that,
like
I
said
before,
the
token
itself
doesn't
really
matter.
B
If
I
accidentally
minted
the
burn,
the
minting
baton
burned
the
minty
baton,
or
you
know
some
government
agency
didn't
like
what
we
were
doing.
You
know
anyone's
free
to
fork
the
entire
organization
and
airdrop
a
new
token,
but
it's
it's
more,
the
optics.
That's
that's
really
the
problem.
It's
it's!
The
perception
that
there's
some
one
individual
who
has
control
of
all
these
tokens-
I
wouldn't
expect
a
government
agency
to
like
appreciate
the
nuance
there
that
the
the
token
doesn't
really
matter,
and
it's
just
a
medium.
B
A
Really
really
appreciate
it,
so
keep
it
up,
and
you
know
we'll
give
you
a
shout
out
and
we'll
read
your
comments
on
air
and
if
you
have
any
questions
for
the
great
minds
of
stillian
and
chris
and
david
and
others
who
are
on
here,
you
know
I
just
feel
humble
to
be
with
these
guys.
You
can
go
ahead
and
ask
your
questions
and
we'll
try
to
get
them
answered
too.
B
Yeah,
well,
you
know,
I
don't
know
if
we're
gonna,
I
don't
think
we're
gonna
strike
some
perfect
decision
in
this
meeting.
I
think
I
just
thought
it
was
healthy
to
have
the
conversation.
Oh
yeah,
and
I
really
do
appreciate
all
the
participation.
So,
let's,
let's
go
ahead
and
wrap
this
up
and
let's
keep
the
conversation
going
in
the
in
the
telegram
channel
and
can
I.
A
A
The
nft
front,
real,
quick
as
people
know,
I
I
work
a
lot
with
nfts,
I'm
doing
3d
assets
over
here.
If
you
check
out
my
twitter
at
shoemaker360,
you
can
see
some
of
the
nfts
I've
used
within
unity
and
within
oculus
vr,
and
I
did
drop
in
the
chat
for
people
to
check
out.
There
is
another
crypto
group
out
there
that
they,
they
just
had
a
meeting
in
october,
in
which
they
worked
with
metamask
to
port
metamask
over
to
firefox
reality.
A
Firefox
reality
is
a
web-based
vr
browser
for
there's
my
wife
back
there.
She
was
waving
hi
to
everybody.
Firefox
reality
is
a
web-based
vr
browser
that
allows
people
to
go
in
through
oculus
or
or
vive
or
any
other
headsets
and
view
the
web
in
vr
and
participate
in
webgl
applications
and
the
implications
of
this
mean
that
now
you
can
create
your
nft
and
because
there
are
unity
games
that
function
with
webgl
that
can
pull
in
those
nfts.
A
We
are
really
really
close
to
the
point
where
people
can
pull
in
game
ass,
make
game
assets
as
nfts
and
pull
them
into
virtual
realities
and
into
the
metaverse
or
whatever
you
want
to
call
it,
and
if
this
gets
legs
and
traction,
it
will
really
promote
the
decentralization
of
the
metaverse
and
nfts
in
that
space.
So
it's
it's
really
cool
check
out.
The
video
audio
is
a
little
a
little
off,
because
I
think
it's
a.
B
Head
base,
aaron
put
your
twitter,
put
a
link
to
your
twitter
account
in
the
in
the
telegram
channel,
because
people
should
be
following
you
on
twitter.
I've
just
really
been
enjoying
the
short
videos
that
you've
been
uploading
there
to
see
your
progress,
which
has
been
amazing,
you're,
getting
so
close
to
being
able
to
attach
a
metaverse
object
to
an
nft.
A
Yeah,
I
have
been
experimenting
within
unity,
loading,
the
assets.
I
think
I
showed
loading
an
asset
from
ipfs
the
other
week.
You
guys
can
check
that
on
one
of
the
videos
and
then
but
the
next
we'll
be
loading
it
a
full,
fully
realized
digital
asset
into
the
unity,
and
so
we'll
be
playing
with
that
in
the
future
here.
B
A
B
Sure
yeah
well
so,
just
as
a
just
a
foundational
level,
avalanche
or
avax.
So
there's
the
protocol
and
then
there's
the
chain.
The
protocol
is
called
avalanche
and
then
the
chain,
I
believe,
is
still
called
avalanche,
but
there's
they're
a
blockchain
of
blockchain,
so
they
they
have
three
primary
chains:
the
c
chain,
the
the
x
chain
and
the
p
chain.
So
the
c
chain
is
the
contract
chain
and
that's
the
evm
compatible
version.
B
So
they
have
a
bridge
where
you
can
move
ethereum
and
other
erc20
and
er
721
tokens
from
ethereum
over
to
the
avalanche
c
chain.
And
then
they
have
the
x
chain,
which
is
utxo
based.
So
it's
similar
to
bitcoin
in
that
regard
and
they
have
a
way
to
move
tokens
between
the
chains.
So
you
can
and
we
have
a
bridge
built
between
bitcoin
cash
and
the
x
chain.
B
B
B
Is
the
well
I
need
to
set
up
the
bridge,
which
is
something
that
is
on
the
list
to
do
the
p
chain
is
what
they're
currently
developing
and
that
lets
you
build
your
own
blockchain,
like
your
own
private
blockchain,
on
top
of
the
p
chain
and
then
and
then
you've
got
this
base
avalanche.
These
three
base
avalanche
chains
so
that
you're
not
like
an
island.
You
have.
B
You
have
a
way
to
move
assets
from
these
other
chains,
into
your
private
blockchain
and
back
again
and
and
you
and
with
these
private
blockchains,
you
can
institute
your
own
private
rules
so
like
a
consortium
of
real
estate
companies
that
have
to
worry
about
compliance
and
stuff
like
that
they
can
have
their
own
blockchain.
For
that.
So
that's
really
the
business
model.
If
you
will
of
avalanche,
that's
what
they're
going
after
they're,
not
trying
to
be
money,
they're
just
trying
to
be
the
best
blockchain
for
business
and.
A
B
And
it's
much
higher
bandwidth
in
terms
of
trying
to
run
a
full
node
it
it's
not
possible
to
run
an
avalanche,
full
node
on
a
dsl
connection,
you
need,
you
need
low,
latency
and
a
significant
amount
of
bandwidth
to
run
a
node,
which
I
think
is
actually
a
big
red
flag.
It's
it's
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
still
prefer
bitcoin
cash
and
I'm
interested
to
see.
You
know
how
the
hybrid
ecash
turns
out
if
they're
gonna,
if
they're
gonna
suffer
from
these
same
bandwidth
issues
that
avalanche
is
suffering
from.
B
E
D
D
D
A
B
E
C
A
B
A
Yeah
I
like
the
idea
of
avalanche,
because
I
you
know
from
my
standpoint
of
creating
nfts
we're
generating
an
nft
on
ethereum
level.
One
is
very
expensive
where
it's
actually
probably
less
expensive
to
generate
it
in
avalanche
or
bch,
and
then
transfer
it
to
ethereum,
because
the
transfer
transfer
gas
fees
are
actually
less
than
the
smart
contract
production.
Gas
fees.
F
A
You
know
and
then
they're
going
to
transfer
through
avalanche
to
ethereum,
to
sell
in
the
marketplace,
because
honestly,
ethereum
is
still
the
marketplace
for
nfts
right
now,
you
know,
but
where
you
get
the
most
money,
but
you
know
being
able
to
mint
in
the
cheapest
way
possible
and
then
transfer
to
other
chains,
whether
it's
near
whether
it's
you
know
any
of
the
other
nft
protocol
chains.
I
think
a
lot
of
producers
of
nfts
are
going
to
find
that
very
valuable.