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From YouTube: PSF TC Meeting 12.22.21
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Technical Steering Committee Meeting for Dec. 22, 2021
B
Yeah
yeah
everybody
out
there.
We've
had
audio
problems
in
the
past,
so
please
let
us
know
if
you
think
we're
having
an
audio
issue
and
the
best
way
to
communicate
with
us.
I
I
think,
there's
a
few
people
watching
the
youtube
chat,
but
there's
a
there's
a
delay
there.
The
best
way
to
communicate
with
us
while
we're
live,
is
on
the
telegram
channel.
I
hope
maybe
you
could
do
a
lower
third
errand
or
something
or
put
a
link
in
the
youtube
chat
to
the
telegram
channel,
but.
B
B
C
B
Zoom
chat,
chat,
so
yeah
welcome.
Everybody
today
is
december
22nd
2021
wednesday.
This
is
the
permissionless
software
foundation's
technical
steering
committee
meeting
that
we
have
every
other
week.
I
am
chris
trouttner.
I
helped
found
the
permissionless
software
foundation.
Let's
go
ahead
and
do
a
quick
round
robin
of
introductions
david.
Why
don't
you.
D
A
E
B
B
B
B
Okay,
so
the
psf
core
software
that
makes
up
the
bch
api
rest,
api,
the
bch
bchjs
javascript
library
and
the
gatsby
theme
for
the
web
wallet.
That's
considered
like
the
core
cash
stack
we
are
have
been
in
the
last
couple.
Few
weeks
about
last
month,
we've
been
in
the
process
of
splitting
up
the
gatsby
theme
into
basically
gatsby
theme,
web
wallet
or
actually,
I
think
it's
going
to
be
renamed
to
gatsby
yeah.
This
should
actually
be
gaspi
themed,
bch
wallet.
B
So
that's
going
to
be
our
web
2.0
gatsby
theme
for
anybody
who
wants
to
quickly
create
their
own
web
wallet
and
white
label
it
for
their
own
business
purposes,
and
then
we
are
creating
gatsby.
What's
going
to
be
gatsby
ipfs
bch
wallet,
which
is
going
to
be
the
ipfs
first
version
of
that,
so
it'll
still
be
a
gaspi
theme,
but
it'll
be
intended
to
be
compiled
to
be
consumed
over
ipfs
and
when
it
starts
up,
it
will
launch
its
own
ipfs
node
right
within
the
web.
B
Browser
and
it'll
communicate
with
all
the
backend
services
exclusively
over
ipfs,
so
that'll
be
like
our
more
censorship
resistant.
So
we'll
have
the
web
2.0
version,
which
is
like
normal
and
fast
and
has
all
the
web
2.0
user
experience
and
then
we'll
have
the
ipfs
first
version
that
is
slower
but
much
much
more
censorship
resistant,
especially
at
an
international
level
and
there's
something:
oh
yeah,
so
the
web
2.0
version.
What
was
I
going
to
say
about
that?
B
B
We
can.
We
can
deal
with
freeloaders,
so
when
I
would
I
should.
I
should
actually
give
the
background
on
this.
When
I
was
working
doing
devops
for
bitcoin.com,
we
basically
were
victims
of
our
own
success.
We
had
so
many
freeloaders
and
people
consuming
the
our
rest
api
that
it
got
in
the
way
of
of
our
actual
business
goals
that
we're
making
money
to
like
fund.
All
that
we
had.
B
We
can
prevent
that
by
filtering
to
the
domain.
If
someone
is
using
the
app
and
they're
not
coming
from
a
fullstack.cache
domain,
then
we
can
block
them
or
at
least
slow
them
down,
and
therefore
not
let
the
freeloaders
impact
the
legitimate
users
on
a
phone
app.
We
can't
do
that.
There
is
no
web
domain
that
they're
coming
from
they're
just
coming
from
their
phone
and
so
there's
no
easy
way
to
filter
that
short
of
having
them
create
an
account
first,
which
is
another
whole
problem
that
I
don't
even
want
to
deal
with.
B
Basically,
the
performance
of
the
phone
app
is
going
to
come
down
to
the
community.
It's
not
going
to
come
down
to
any
one
person
or
any
one
business
to
provide
this
thing.
So
that's,
ultimately,
where
I'm
trying
to
head
with
this
phone
app
and
in
the
way
I'm
trying
to
solve
that
sort
of
freeloader
problem.
B
A
B
B
One
reason
to
focus
on
android
is
that
everyone
in
south
america
uses
android.
I
don't
think
there's
anyone
in
south
america
that
uses
an
iphone,
and
so
that's
that's
my
personal
focus.
I
also
only
use
android
phones,
so
we
don't
really
have
anyone
that
can
build
and
test
ios.
Also
with
androids,
you
can
sideload
an
app.
B
You
know,
which
means
people
can
just
download
the
apk
file
from
github
and
load
it
on
their
phone
and
away
they
go,
whereas
ios
you
have
to
do
test
flight.
You
can't
just
load
random
apps
onto
an
iphone
like
that.
There
has
to
be
developer
that
registers
with
their
test
flight
thing
and
that's
the
only
way
you
can
get
an
app
that's,
not
necessarily
in
the
store
and
then
getting
an
app
in
a
store
is
problematic.
B
It's
basically
a
full-time
job,
just
trying
to
keep
an
app
in
the
store.
So
those
are
a
few
things.
We're
not
we're,
not
gonna,
try
and
keep
these
apps
in
any
of
the
app
stores.
So
if
anybody
wants
to
take
that
on
feel
free
but
like,
like,
I
said,
that's
a
full-time
job
in
and
of
itself,
and
then
we
currently
don't
have
any
plans
to
develop
an
ios
app.
B
So
if
anybody
any
developers
out,
there
are
big
fans
of
ios
and
they
want
to
take
on
the
the
job
of
of
doing
a
test
flight
account
and
keeping
the
app
compiling
the
app.
It
is
possible
to
compile
this
to
ios,
using
this
capacitor
framework
that
we
use
same
same
workflow
for
the
android
app
it's
just.
We
we
need
if
people
want
to
see
an
ios
app
or
they
want
to
see
the
apps
in
an
actual
app
store.
Like
that's
going
to
depend
on
the
community.
A
There
is
also
f
droid
and
apk
pure,
and
I
don't
know
if
those
are
they
just
aggregate
stuff
like
that.
But
those
are
places
that
you
can
get
stuff.
That's
not
on
the
google
play
store.
I've
had
an
android
forever
because
I
worked
in
music
and
all
the
applications
were.
You
know
had
to
be
downloaded
from
a
website
and
didn't
work
on
an
iphone,
but
they
could
work
on
an
android.
So
that's
that's
pretty
good
and
also
there's
the
whole
meta
mask
issue.
A
There
is
a
kernel,
vulnerability
on
ios
right
now
and
they
keep
doing
updates,
but
every
month
they
keep
coming
out
and
they're
like
oh
well,
there's
another
vulnerability
at
the
colonel,
and
I
was
just
on
a
chat
with
somebody
who
lost
a
board
ape.
You
know
about
worth
about
50
eth
and
he
was
using
metamask
on
his
iphone
and
I'm
pretty
sure
what
happened
is
the
vulnerability
is
in
the
kernel.
A
So
when
the
program
metamask
program
went
to
sign
for
a
transaction,
anybody
that
can
look
at
the
kernel
can
look
at
those
private
keys
and
then
steal
that
stuff.
So
that's
another
reason
to
be
wary
of
ios
and
keeping
a
lot
of
stuff
on
your
iphone
or
android.
You
know:
don't
keep
a
lot
of
funds
on
there.
F
I
have
a
question
why,
in
fact,
we
need
application,
though,
like
the
the
whole
point
of
the
gatsby
team
was
to
have
like
a
mobile
view,
it's
just
a
viewer
to
the
to
the
rest
interface.
It
does
not
need
to
access
some
special
device
resources,
like
I
don't
know,
vibration
sensor
or
something
so
the
browser
since,
for
me,
like
enough
to
run
this
application,
why
you
need,
in
fact
the
the
native
application.
B
Yeah,
that's
a
really
great
story.
Question
story.
I've
wrestled
with
this
too
because
I
feel
exactly
the
same
like
the
whole
purpose
of
making
it
web
first
is
that
it's
device,
agnostic
and
everybody
can
access
it.
This
is
a
case
where
perception
creates
reality.
The
people
want,
I
mean
most
normal
people
who
have
no
technical
skills.
B
They
know
that
if
they
want
to
do
something,
they
download
the
app
and
that's
how
they
do
it
and
like
and-
and
it's
just
that's
that's
just
the
environment
in
which
we
live.
You
know,
like
I
agree
like
it
shouldn't,
be
any
more
difficult
for
someone
conceptually
to
be
like
I
can
go
to
a
web
page
or
I
can
bookmark
this
webpage.
B
If
I
want
like
a
little
icon
on
my
phone
like,
I
don't
necessarily
need
an
app,
but
again
that's
the
reality,
but
but
but
the
percep
people's
perception
is
creating
reality,
so
we're
really
just
trying
to
reach
people
where
they
are,
and
I
think
launching
this
launching
a
a
phone
app
again.
This
is
our
primary
focus
is
still
going
to
be
on
the
web
app.
But
I
think
now
that
we
have
more
we've
sort
of
changed
our
architecture
in
a
way
that
we
can
now
feasibly
support,
android
apps.
B
A
I
I
would
agree
with
that.
You
know
it.
It
is
really
about
meeting
people
where
they
are
and
yeah
they,
like
you,
said,
they've
been
trained
to
get
a
nap,
I
mean
every
advertisement
right
now
is
download
our
app
download
our
app,
and
there
are
some
things
like.
I
went
to
a
coffee
place
here
in
my
town
and
like
we
have
an
app
for
rewards
now
and
I'm
like
why
why?
Why
did
you
get.
A
You
had
punch
cards,
they
work
completely.
Fine,
like
I
don't
understand
why
I
need
to
now
don't
download
this
app
to
do
this,
but
I
also
know
that
I'm
not
your
average.
You
know
joe
smo
who's
like
downloading
an
app
for
everything
they
use.
I
mean
autozone
has
an
app
and
it's
pretty
much
their
web
page.
You
know
like
not
much
different,
but
then
what
happens?
Is
you
get
these
places
where
it's
like?
Oh
I
go
to
their
webpage
and
they're
like
download
our
app
I'm
like.
A
B
I
also
this
is
based
on
my
experience
with
on
talking
with
entrepreneurs
and
businesses,
and
I
really
would
like
the
psf
to
grow
into
a
consortium
of
businesses,
and
every
single
conversation
usually
like
about
the
fifth
sentence
in
the
conversation
is:
oh,
can
you
turn
this
into
an
app
and
then
I
have
to
have
that
whole
conversation
of
like?
Yes,
we
can.
B
You
know
like
like
there's
just
this
whole
conversation
that
has
to
happen
and
which
is
why
I
just
focus
on
the
you
know
tip.
My
typical
answer
is
like
no,
it's
a
web
app.
That's
all
we're
gonna
do
and
like
conversation
over,
but
and
also
I
encourage
people
to
if
they
really
want
an
app
to
build
their
app.
But
it's
different
between
telling
people
that
they're
telling
businesses
entrepreneurs
that
and
versus
showing
them
like.
Yes,
here's
the
app
here's
the
file
load,
this
apk
on
your
android
away.
B
A
B
F
F
B
B
This
is
another
big
focus
for
the
psf
right
now,
mostly
for
future
cash
flows,
I'm
kind
of
looking
at
the
pay-to-write
database
as
our
you
know,
going
to
be
our
bread
and
butter
in
the
future.
That's
going
to
be
a
big
part
of
the
infrastructure
that
powers
the
dexes,
which
I'll
give
an
update
to
in
a
minute.
B
So
on
that
front,
I've
been
working
pretty
steadily
on
psf
bch
wallet,
which
is
our
command
line.
Interface
wallet,
it's
basically
being
updated
to
reflect
that
web
3.0
cache
stack.
So
some
of
the
latest
updates
I
actually
just
made
in
the
last
couple
days-
is
I'm
going
through
and
it's
easier.
If
I
show.
B
Well,
I'm
waiting
for
that
image
to
come
up
in
this
okay.
Here
we
go
so
this
is
this:
is
the
follow-up
article
hopefully
I'll
go
into
this,
but
but
in
that,
in
that
cache
stack
article
on
the
right.
There's
this
the
front
end
the
local
backend
and
the
global
back
end
and
what
separates
the
local
backend
from
the
global
backend
is
the
ipfs
network
and
that's
functioning
kind
of
like
a
bus
like
a
circuit,
a
circuitry
bus.
B
And
so
what
I've
been
doing
lately
is
expanding.
That
idea,
and
so
now
the
clywall
it
can
connect
to
a
cache
stack,
that's
connected
to
the
bus,
but
it's
also
now
starting
to
reach
out
to
instances
of
the
pay
to
write
database
on
that
bus,
and
this
is
going
to
be.
This
is
going
to
be
a
pattern
that
we're
going
to
follow
anytime
anytime.
Someone
comes
up
with
like
a
neat
service
like
oh,
like
minting,
nfts,
or
you
know
any
any
sort
of
web
service
that
you
can
think
of
like
the
dexes.
B
E
I
mean
I've
been
playing
with
that
with
the
wallet
service,
the
the
peer
selection,
the
mod
yeah,
the
command
and
it
used
to
work
directly.
You
know
with
the
with
the
I
know.
I
know
you
probably
don't
need
a
like.
If
you
have
a
wallet
surface,
you
probably
don't
really
have
much
use
for
the
p
for
the
clyde
wallet
but
yeah
some
of
the
commands.
Aren't,
I
guess,
the
the
don't
don't
work
like
they
used
to
yeah.
You
can't
see
the
like.
E
B
F
B
Did
recently
up
so
this
is
the
readme
for
the
psf
bch
wall
of
the
clyde
wallet,
and
I
actually
just
updated
this
with
a
configuration
section.
This
is
this
is
where
this
is.
What
changed
recently
that
you
were
struggling
with
sam
and
there's
this
conf
command,
which
lets
you
set
all
the
different
configuration
variables
and
if
you
just
run
that
part
of
it
it'll
show
all
there's
like
four
or
five
different
configuration
variables
and
by
default
it's
now
using
freebch.fullstack.cache
as
its
backend.
B
B
But
if
you
want
to
be
a
power
user,
which
I
encourage,
people
to
do,
you'll
want
to
run
your
own
local
instance
of
ipfs
bch
wallet,
consumer
set,
this
config
setting
and
then
and
then
your
command
line
wallet
is
actually
controlling
your
local
ipf.
This,
the
ipfs
node.
That's
in
that
software
and-
and
you
can
tell
it
to
switch
to
different
backend
services-
you
can
you
can
like
ask
it
questions
about
like
what
ipfs
peers
am
I
connected
to
what
relays
am
I
connected
to?
B
E
E
B
B
Yeah
good
question
sam.
Thank
you
thank
you
for
bringing
that
up.
Yeah.
I
encourage
everybody
to
to
play
with
that.
Software
like
this
is
really
the
thing
that
is
going
to
be.
The
heart
of
this
new
architecture
is
particularly
for
developers
and,
like
I
said,
it's
things
are
changing
and
wrapped,
but
and
I'm
going
to
do
more
videos
and
documentation
on
this
stuff
as
a
as
it
goes
a
little
bit.
F
F
E
F
B
B
Now
it
just
uses
the
full
stack,
dot
cash,
web
2.0
architecture,
and
I
think,
like
that's
what
I
what
I,
what
my
my
intent
is
to
have
slp
cly
wallet
be
more
of
a
community
driven
app
where
people
can
be
like
you
know,
like
you
did
with
the
nfts
you're.
Like
hey
look,
I
built
all
these
handy
tools
for
working
with
nfts
like
great,
let's
get
it
in
there,
whereas
pc
at
psf
bch
wallet.
I
want
to
have
a
much
tighter
quality
control
on.
B
I
want
to
maintain
100
test
coverage
for
everything
and
it
it
will
have
this
ability
to
switch
between
the
web
2
and
the
web
3
different,
architectures
and
and
it
what
I
really
want.
Psf
bch
wallet
to
be
is
is
sort
of
the
early
release
of
our
web
wallet.
So
I
want
to
get
all
the
features
in
psf
bch
wallet
into
the
web
wallet,
but
they'll
go
into
the
command
line
wallet
first,
because
it's
easier
to
prototype
them
that
way.
B
So
basically
it's
the
way
this
all
fits
together
is
really
to
think
of
it
in
terms
of
the
development
workflow.
So
if
someone
in
the
community
has
an
awesome
idea,
they
can
throw
it
into
slp
cly
wallet
really
quickly.
If
they
don't
have
tests,
that's
fine,
we
can
get
it
in
there.
Everybody
can
test
it
and
then,
if,
if
it
sort
of
reaches
a
level
of
maturity
and
usage,
then
we
can
port
it
over
to
to
psf
bch
wallet
and
do
full
tests
and
have
a
higher
quality
and
be
able
to.
B
F
B
F
B
Yes,
that's
a
good
point.
We
can
always
backport
the
code
from
psf
bch
wallet
into
slp
fly
wallet,
and
maybe
we'll
do
that.
It's
I
think
it's
just
gonna
depend
on.
You
know
someone
stepping
up
and
doing
it
like
like.
If
that's
something
you
want
to,
do,
don't
don't
wait
for
permission,
just
do
it
that
goes
for
that
goes
for
anybody,
part
of
the
I
mean.
So
it's
like.
B
What's
the
plans
and
then
what's
the
reality
like
right
now
that
whole
architecture
is
like
two
weeks
old,
and
so
there
just
hasn't
been
enough
time
to
like
it's,
I'm
still,
I'm
still
refining
the
ideas
around
it.
So
I
mean
I'm
sure
at
some
point
will
backport
the
ability
to
interface
with
ipfs
bus
to
slp,
client
wallet.
F
A
It
it
sounds
very
similar
to
some
conversations
we
had
before,
because
we
were
talking
that
book
working
in
public
right
and
how
do
you
solve
the
open
source
working
problem?
How
do
you
solve
the
drive
by
coders
and
how
do
you
maintain
a
code
base
that
people
can
build
upon
and
rely
while
also
fostering
innovation.
B
Yeah
yeah
and
more
specifically,
I
mean
this
concept
of
road
maps.
I
mean
this:
maybe
we
should
get
into
this
in
the
I'll,
just
put
it
out
there
and
then
we
can
bring
it
back
up.
People
want
to
discuss
it,
but
this
you
know
bitcoin
cash
community
is
struggling
right
now
with
a
road
map.
A
lot
of
people
want
a
road
map.
A
lot
of
people
don't
want
a
road
map,
and
I'm
starting
to
think
like
in
these
areas
of
of
bleeding
edge.
B
Innovation
like
a
road
map
doesn't
really
make
sense,
because
you
really
only
understand
like
two
or
three
steps
in
front
of
you
and
then
everything
else
is
just
a
flat
out
lie
and
wishful
thinking,
and
so
any
road
map
is
gonna,
that's
what
that's
gonna
be,
and
so
I
don't
know.
Maybe
if
we
want
to
talk
about
like
the
the
integrity
and
usefulness
of
road
maps
like
we
can,
let's
revisit
that
in
the
round
table,
but
but
for
now,
let's
move
on.
B
We're
making
really
good
progress
on
the
decks,
as
we
announced
in
the
last
meeting,
we
got
a
matching
grant
from
ecash
to
match
the
grant
from
apple
labs,
so
we're
moving
forward
on
that.
So
gary
has
I
I
built
a
pro,
so
there's
there's
essentially
three
main
steps
in
the
decks
for
doing
a
token
trade.
B
B
For
the
first
step-
and
we
already
have
like
proof
of
concepts
for
all
three
steps,
the
the
main
work
in
front
of
us
is
simply
getting
getting
like
integrating
those
bruce's
concepts
into
one
coherent,
app
that
can
manage
the
trades
and
and
so
gary's
been
making
really
excellent
progress.
In
that
there.
I
have
a
link
here
to
the
developer
documents
and
specifications
that
we're
working
off
of
if
any
developers
out
there
really
want
to
dig
into
the
details
and
see.
B
We're
also
going
to
start
ramping
up
for
the
ecash
decks,
which
doesn't
officially
start
until
january
1st,
which
is
right
around
the
corner,
but
first
step
there
is
we've
got
these.
We've
got
code
sort
of
scattered
around
for
supporting
the
ecash
prefix
for
addresses
and
their
their
denomination,
so
their
decimal
point
is
different
than
bitcoin,
and
so
really
what
the
first
step
there
is.
A
B
B
And
so
moving
on
to
the
indexer
again,
there's
been
I'm
getting
really
close.
I've
I've
built
a
rest
api
interface.
So
you
can
you
can
query
the
indexer
and
it'll.
It's
also
gonna
have
a
json
rpc
over
ipfs
interface.
So
this
thing
will
the
indexer
itself
will
be
able
to
plug
into
that
ipfs
bus,
and
you
can
query
like
the
balance
of
an
address
the
validity
of
a
transaction
id.
B
So
we
achieved
that
about
a
month
ago
and
since
then
it's
been
largely
like
just
looking
at
the
results
and
then
comparing
to
slp
db,
finding
discrepancies
trying
to
figure
out
what
the
source
of
the
discrepancy
was
going
back,
re-indexing
and
so
there's
been
a
lot
of
just
that
back
and
forth
that
iterative
cycle.
So
it's
at
a
point
now,
where
the
results
line
up
really
well
with
slpdb,
and
now
I'm
just
sinking
from
genesis.
B
So
I'm
literally
just
just
waiting
for
that
to
happen
and
the
the
bugs
now
that
I'm
seeing
are
so
subtle
that,
like
the
indexer,
will
run
for
like
two
days
and
then
I'll
discover
the
bug
and
then
figure
it
out
and
fix
it.
And
then
I
gotta
start
all
over
again.
So
I
lost
two
days
essentially
of
indexing
time.
B
So
it's
looking
like
the
index
is
probably
going
to
take
about
five
to
seven
days
to
index
completely
from
genesis
to
the
head
of
the
blockchain
and,
of
course,
that
time
is
always
growing,
because
the
blockchain
is
always
growing
and
the
number
of
slp
transactions
on
the
blockchain
is
is
growing
relative
to
the
size
of
the
blockchain,
so
yeah
it's.
This
is
a
tough
problem.
It's
a
time-consuming
problem,
but
things
are
going
really
well.
B
B
G
B
A
Yeah,
I'm
I'm
excited
about
this
because
you
know,
as
I'm
working
with
businesses
around
where
I'm
at
it's.
I
really
see
the
slp
protocol
as
something
that's,
cheap
and
and
easy
to
use
easy
to
utilize,
much
more
so
than
ethereum
protocols,
those
being
very
expensive
nowadays,
but
there
there
are
so
many
use
cases
for
a
token
like
slp
and
having
this
indexer
work
well,
and
knowing
that
I
can
approach
a
business
and
help
them
build
something
on
slp
and
know
that
it's
going
to
have
some
long-term
viability.
B
Yeah
this
is
this
is
going
to
be
one
of
the
cheapest
and
most
effective,
like
investments
that
the
bch
community
has
ever
made,
because
you
know
running
the
cash
that
right
now,
the
greatest
source
of
of
headache
from
people
trying
to
run
their
own
cache
stack
is
the
slp
db
index
because
you
got
the
full
node
which
yeah
that
takes
200
gigabytes
of
space.
But
it's
hard
drive
space.
You
know
it's
cheap
and
you
know,
might
use
like
a
gig
of
ram
like
it's.
B
It's
not
even
worth
worrying
about,
and
then
you
got
the
fulcrum
indexer
that
takes
like
maybe
40
gigs
of
space
and
uses,
maybe
two
gigs
of
ram.
So
everything
it's
like
those
two
pieces
of
software
can
comfortably
run
on
a
like
a
raspberry,
pi,
4
or
any
old
desktop
like
they're.
Not,
but
then
you
got
slp
db
and
it
you
know
it's
like
minimum
requirement
of
32
gigabytes
weeks
of
indexing
time.
B
It's
just
like
it's
so
far
out
of
proportion
compared
to
the
other
two
pieces
of
critical
infrastructure,
and
so
I'm
just
I'm,
I'm
very
selfishly,
motivated
to
get
this
indexer
working
and
get
it
on
par
with
those
other
two
pieces
of
infrastructure,
so
that
you
know
we
just
we
need
tokens.
I
think
tokens
have
proven
their
value
over
time,
and-
and
this
is
like
the
core
piece
of
infrastructure
for
working
with
tokens.
So
I'm
excited
I'm
excited.
F
A
A
I
can
have
these
businesses
running
their
own
nodes
and,
for
the
most
part
they're
just
like
whatever.
This
is
what
I
need
to
run
a
business,
but
it
also
is
re
reinforcing
the
infrastructure
right,
it's
it's,
not
a
high
cost
on
them,
and
they
it
reinforces
what
they're
doing
reinforces
what
we're
doing,
whereas
if
I
come
in
and
I'm
like,
I'm
going
to
run
a
computer
and
it's
going
to
have
you
know,
32
gigabytes
of
ram
and
this
much
hard
drive
space
and
it's
going
to
be
running
the
whole
time
they
can
be
like.
A
Oh,
my
gosh,
you
know
as
opposed
to
here's
a
raspberry
pi,
I'm
going
to
stick
it
in
your
back
room.
You
know,
and
it's
going
to
help
run
your
your
discount
program.
You
know
and
you're
not
going
to
have
to
pay
anybody
for
it,
and
it's
just
you
like.
Okay
yeah,
it
cost
me
100
bucks
to
put
this
in
a
little
bit
every
month
to
run
it
so
great.
B
Yeah
yeah,
okay,
well
before
we
open
it
up
to
round
table.
I
just
wanted
to
give
a
brief
overview
of
this
follow-up
blog
post
that
I
did
so
for
people
who
want
to
access
this.
You
can
go
to
troutsblog.com
and
it'll
it'll,
look
up
the
current
copy
of
the
blog
on
the
blockchain
and
forward
you
to
it.
So
that's
what
it's
doing
right
now.
B
I
just
wanted
to
show
you
how
to
get
there,
but
this
is
and
then-
and
so
then,
once
it
sends
you
there
go
to
blog
and
this
web
three
cache
stack
is
what
I
introduced
in
our
last
meeting
and
it's
it's
a
it's
a
high
level
overview,
and
then
this
this
newer
blog
post
called
realizing
the
web3
cache
stack.
Is
it
takes
it
down
a
level
and
it
makes
it
more
less
hand,
wavy
and
more
pragmatic,
and
the
main
image
is:
is
this
one
where
it?
B
It
shows
that
same
front,
end
local,
back,
end
and
global
back
end
on
the
right?
Hopefully
those
aren't
covered
up,
but
what
I
wanted
to
really
focus
on.
Just
real
briefly
are
the.
Is
this
front
end
this
top
level,
because
this
this
speaks
to
in
that
first
article?
I
talked
to
four
different
use
cases
and,
let's
see,
if
that's
come
up
yet
no,
it's
still
still
coming
up,
but
the
four
use
cases
were
the
casual
user.
B
The
I
mean,
oh
there,
you
go
so
in
this
original
in
this
original
article.
I
talked
about
these
four
use
cases,
the
casual
users,
exchanges
or
professional
companies,
hobby
developers
and
censored
users,
and
I
think
this
is
really
important
for
us
as
the
psf,
because
I
think
this
is
the
profile
of
the
different
sort
of
categories
of
users
that
we
need
to
focus
on
as
a
community.
B
You
know
if
we
want
financially
to
grow,
we
need
to.
We
need
to
focus
on
exchanges
and
professional
companies,
but
in
order
to
get
there,
I
think
we
need
to
focus
first
on
hobby
developers
and
then
casual
and
casual
users,
and
then
censored
users
are
never
going
to
make
us
money,
but
it's
definitely
something
that's
near
and
dear
to
our
heart
and
and
part
of
our
mission,
and
so
like.
I
said
that
first
article
was
fairly
abstract.
I
wanted
to
break
it
down
into
more
detail
and
that
front
end
section.
B
Let
me
scroll
down
to
that
these,
these
four
blocks
in
the
front
end
section
in
fact
I'll
just
go
here
up
here.
These
speak
to
those
four
categories.
So
wallet.fullstack.cache
is
a
really
good
example
of
a
a
web
two-point
app
a
web
2.0
app
that
a
business
or
an
exchange
would
run
and
all
this
infrastructure
that
I
have
illustrated
here
it
it
sort
of
falls
back
to
the
web
2.0.
B
If
you
don't
need
the
features
that
ipfs
brings
with
its
censorship
resistance
and
its
decentralized
infrastructure.
If
you
don't,
if
you
don't
need
those
as
a
business,
then
all
of
this
stuff
sort
of
it's
backwards
compatible.
It
falls
back
to
the
web,
2.0
stack,
and
so
I
just
wanted
to
point
that
out
that
that,
like
wallet.fullstack.cache
and
what
we're
doing
with
trying
to
build
an
app.
That's,
that's
all.
Basically
that
exchange
and
business
use
case,
and
then
the
phone
app
is,
is
a
good
example
of
a
casual
user
like
like
just
like.
B
I
spoke
about
perception,
creating
reality.
These
are
the
non-technical
people
and
all
they
kind
of
vaguely
understand
is.
I
need
to
download
an
app
and
then
something
happens,
and
so
that's
the
user
use
case
we're
trying
to
to
achieve
there
and
then
the
the
bch,
the
psf
bch
wallet.
This
is
this
cat.
This
is
caters
to
the
hobbyist
developer,
which
I
I
think
we
all
here
fall
into
that
category
and
in
thinking
about
this
user,
I'm
taking
a
lot
of
lessons
from
matlab.
B
And
if
you
can
prove
that
you're
a
university
student,
you
can
buy
a
student
edition
for
like
extremely
low
price,
like
maybe
50
bucks,
but
then,
when
you
graduate
and
you
go
work
as
an
engineer
in
the
engineering
industry
they
charge.
I
think
it's
like
10
000
per
person
to
use
the
software
and
that's
how
they
make
their
money.
Is
they
basically
give
to
the
universities
for
free?
They
give
it
to
the
students
for
free,
which
we
consider
them
hobby
developers.
B
In
this
case
they
get
them
sort
of
you
know
hooked
on
their
crack
and
then,
when
they
go
to
the
the
real
world
and
they
they're
already
trained
on
their
software
and
they're,
like
hey
you're,
paying
me
all
this
money
as
an
engineer
to
do
this
professional
service,
I
need
the
tools
that
I
already
know
how
to
do
my
job
and
that's
matlab.
So
you
need
to
fork
up
whatever
it
costs
to
buy
me
a
seat
to
use
this
software.
B
So
I
can
do
the
job
you
hired
me
to
do
and
that's
matlab's
business
model,
and
so
I
think
that
the
lesson
to
be
extracted
from
that
for
us
is
that
hobby
developers
they're
not
gonna,
make
us
money,
they're,
not
gonna,
but
but
that's
where
the
innovation
comes
from.
That's
why
they're
so
critical
and
important
to
foster
the
hobby
developers?
B
That's
where
the
innovation
comes
from
and
then
eventually
you
know
if
an
idea
gets
traction,
it's
going
to
turn
into
a
business,
and
so
these
hobby
developers
are
going
to
evolve
into
a
professional
business
where
then
they
have
money.
So
that's
why
it's
so
critical
to
focus
on
these
hobby
developers.
B
Just
because
that's
in
line
with
our
mission
and
it's
important
and
it's
also
our
sort
of
the
best
offense
is
a
good
defense.
This
is
our
defense.
This
is
if,
if
we
move
into
a
much
more
adversarial
world,
this
is
this
is
our
fallback
plan
and
that's
why
it's
important,
so
I
just
want
to
bring
that
up
to
sort
of
kick.
I'm
gonna
stop
sharing
just
to
sort
of
kick
off
our
round
table
discussion.
B
E
Yeah
so
so
I
found
a
way
to
get
the
prefix
to
work.
I
it's
only
it's
sending
the
the
the
call
over
to
the
full
stack
server.
So
this
is,
can
you
see
the
block
chair
here
so
we
got
a
an
address
from
here
put
it
on
there
and
it
shows
the
the
denominations
with
the
with
the
prefix
there.
So
can
you
see.
B
E
B
F
E
B
E
There
it
is
there
you
go
yeah
so
yeah.
This
is.
This
is
a
check
balance,
and
this
is
the
code
from
the
cash
tab.
It
makes
the
the
denominations
and
I'm
using
the
cash
to
address
yeah-
and
that's
basically,
is
all
the
jack
stuff
show
tokens
the
same
thing.
We've
got
abc
here
and
that's
it
that
usd
price.
F
No,
I
I
I
understand
now
I
I
was
just
like
recently
was
talking
before
a
week
or
two
about
creating
some
ready
components
like
react.
Hooks
like
you,
just
put
the
use
balance
in
the
address
and
you
can
use
it
immediately,
but
yeah
your
code
is
on
more
low
level,
but
still
it's
like
a
very
nice
example.
B
B
Starting
point
for
that
would
be
to
create
a
markdown
document
in
our
specifications
repository.
So
we
have
a
specifications
repository
on
the
psf
github
group
listing
out
all
the
different
hooks
that
you
know
we
might
want,
and
we
can
use
that
that
existing
one
you
showed
us
as
a
template,
and
then
I
think
if
we
had
that
organized
as
like
a
document
somewhere,
then
then
we'd
be
in
a
good
place
for
as
a
community
to
just
communicatively
community
work,
work
on
it
and
create
a
library
and
maintain
it,
because
it
is
a
good
idea.
F
Yeah
I
already
started
working
on
it,
but
this
week
I
didn't
have
enough
time
to
work
on
fun
projects.
I
have
very
busy
in
work.
That's
why
no
much
progress
on
the
mood
is
sick.
Also,
but
next
week
I
will
have
a
vacation
one
week.
I
will
be
home
stuck
home
without
nothing
to
do
so.
I
think
I
will
work
only
on
fun
projects,
so
I.
F
It
will
be
great,
maybe
start
for
my
project,
just
to
cut
c
to
make
it
a
little
more
like
component.
It
will
be,
maybe
even
same
code.
It
seems
pretty
nice,
so
I
will
just
going
to
start
just
with
one
hook,
like
example
and
yeah.
If
we
have
some
documentation,
everybody
can
start
expanding
it
with
more
useful
stuff,
yeah,
so
yeah.
Maybe
I
will
just
get
some
of
this
code.
If
there's
some
repository
somewhere
yeah.
B
D
A
I
I
do
have
something
to
share,
so
I
was
on
a
twitter
space
on
friday
with
some
people
that
are
working
with
the
open
metaverse.
So
a
lot
of
people
may
not
know,
but
metaverse
is
not
something
that
was
coined
by
facebook.
It's
been
around
for
a
while.
There
are
a
lot
of
people
in
the
vr
community
that
have
been
building
the
metaverse
and
there
is
a
group
of
people
that
it
was
on
friday
as
they
were
talking
about
and
an
open
metaverse.
A
A
Screen
share
is
nuts:
oh,
it's
not.
I
need
to
do
one
other
thing
hold
on
window
capture
and
brave,
and
there
we
go.
This
is
we'll
should
also
share
with
the
people
out
there.
So
let
me
go
ahead
and
resize
that
for
people
and
because
I'm
running
the
zoom
meetings,
it
doesn't
share
out
to
the
folks
on
the
youtube.
So
let
me
get
this
going
all
right.
A
A
A
B
A
A
The
main
zoom
is
not
working
so
I'll.
Just
turn
off
this
window
capture
and
hopefully
we'll
be
back
at
mainzoom
nope,
I'm
still
on
window
capture.
There
we
go
there.
We
go
all
right,
so
we
should
be
back
yeah
this,
the
so
I'm
I
was
talking
with
these
guys
on
friday
and
yeah
there.
It's
a
group
of
people
in
the
vr
metaverse
world
that
are
integrating
vr
with
crypto,
which
is
really
up
my
alley.
A
You
know
that's
right
where
I'm
at
and
the
idea
that
you
can
buy
nfts
and
bring
them
into
this
metaverse
and
you
can
build
metaverse
your
own
metaverse
and
you
can
create
portals
so
you
can
walk
through.
So
you
could
have
your
metaverse
chris.
You
could
have
one
sam
and-
and
I
could
walk
from
mine
into
yours
and
because
my
wallet
is
connected,
any
objects
that
I
bring
into
your
world.
A
Any
kind
of
coin-
yes,
perhaps
yeah-
and
that's
that's
the
thing
I've
been
excited
about
like
I've,
been
preaching
the
psf
on
the
twitter
spaces,
saying
you
know
these.
These
bridges
are
here
and
they
will
soon
be
a
reality
to
where
no
nft
is
an
island
anymore.
You
know
just
because
it's
made
on
ethereum
doesn't
mean
it
stays
on
ethereum,
and
I
really
do
think
that
nft
production
is
gonna,
move
to
the
cheapest
chain
possible
because,
like
for
instance,
I'm
gonna
improv
produce
some
nfts
on
ethereum.
A
That's
fine,
but
the
gas
fees
to
produce
that
smart
contract
are
actually
more
than
transfer
fees
right.
So
the
hypothetically
I
can
produce
an
nft
on
bch
or
avex
and
then
transfer
it
over
the
bridge
for
cheaper
than
I
can
produce
it
on
ethereum
and-
and
so
that's
where
I
see
things
headed
in
the
nft
space,
where
nft
producers
will
choose
the
cheaper
chain
and
because
it's
interoperable
and
because
you
could
bring
it
into
these
worlds,
it
doesn't
matter
as
much.
So
that's
the
cool
thing
I
have
to
show
this
week.
B
A
F
A
B
B
Is
it's
a
3d
gallery
to
show
off
your
nfts
and
so
me
and
a
friend
we
spent
some
time
really
checking
out
that
site
and
it
was
cool
because
you
walk
up
to
one
of
the
the
nfts
on
display
and
if
it's
animated,
it'll
animate,
but
a
lot
of
them
also
have
a
lot
of
the
animated
ones,
also
have
audio,
and
so
the
audio
will
play
and
so
it'll
be
this
audio
visual
experience
and
you
don't
need
it's
just
everything's
in
a
web
browser.
So
I'm
sure
it'd
be
better.
B
A
B
Yeah-
and
so
that
was
an
impressive
experience,
but
then
I
think
what
you
just
showed
would
be
taking
it
to
the
next
level,
where,
if
you
could
replicate
that
entire
user
interface
and
user
experience,
then
it's
a
very
simple
thing
to
you
know:
put
a
price
tag
on
one
of
those
things
on
display
and
have
an
interface
for
like
yeah.
I
want
to
buy
this.
B
Can
go
like
you
could
build
a
gallery
of
your
nfts.
I
can
go
into
your
world
and
and
walk
around
your
gallery
and
check
out
these
nfts,
which
might
not
just
be
artwork.
They
could
be
like
your
tomahawk,
like
oh
yeah,
like
you,
could
have
if
there's
some
video
game.
If
someone
makes
a
world
that's
a
video
game,
everybody
could
have
their
galleries
of
like
the
different
objects.
You
know
that
you
could
buy
and
then
bring
into
that
video
game.
Yeah.
B
And
I'm
really
getting
fascinated
with
artists
that
are
that
are
sort
of
taking
art
to
the
next
level,
where
it's
like
you're.
Getting
I'm
seeing
a
lot
of
fine
artists
right
now
that
are
used
to
working
with
paper
and
canvas
and
oils,
and
now
they're
transitioning
to
the
ipad
and
making
their
art
there,
and
maybe
they'll
still
do
like
a
physical
art
piece
and
then
they'll
capture
it
in
a
high
res
image,
and
then
they
can
add
just
little
little
animations
to
it.
B
A
But
if
you're
talking
an
oil
painting,
50
photos
should
be
plenty
and
then
you
can
do
stuff
like
stereo
photo
maker
as
well,
where
you
can
actually
make
stereo
photographs
out
of
a
monoscopic
image
like
a
layered
photographs
and
that's
actually
open
source.
You
can
just
search
stereo
photo
maker
and
there's
some
guy
out
of
eastern
europe
that
like
heads
it
all
and
and
does
all
this
stuff,
and
so
you
can
do
you
can
make
depth
maps
and
stuff
like
that.
A
B
If
anybody
wants
to
check
it
out,
it's
t
dot
me
slash
soothing,
underscore
nature
and
she's
just
starting
to
play
with
some
of
this
stuff.
So
she
does
these
one
of
the
things
that
she's
famous
for
these
mushroom
medleys.
So
she
goes
out
every
day
and
she
goes
and
picks,
mushrooms
and
different
plants
and
puts
these
these
medleys
together,
and
so
she
just
started.
In
fact,
the
animation
is
better
there
in
telegram,
so
she
just
started
playing
with.
B
So
this
is
an
actual
like
physical
mushrooms
and
a
source,
a
sorting
thing
on
this,
this
black
gravel
background.
She
took
a
still
image
and
then
she
took
that
image
and
started
just
adding
these
these
little
animations.
So
you
got
the
the
sort
of
pixie
dust
floating
by
and
she
was
able
to
animate
the
gravel
underneath,
and
I
think
that's
all
she
did
to
this
image.
B
But
I've
seen
her
do
other
ones
where,
like
just
one
of
the
mushrooms,
will
rotate-
and
you
know
just
just
adding
these
sort
of
features
that
physical
art
can't
have
yeah
and
it
just
makes
it
more
visually
appealing
to
look
at
just
different
she's
just
plain
but
like
these
are
the
types
of
things
that
you
can
do
with
nfts.
You
can't
do
with
physical
art.
A
Yeah
and
so
one
of
the
guys,
I'm
I'm
talking
to
who's,
he's
an
older
musician,
but
he
was
an
engineer
in
metallurgy
and
blacksmithing
and
were
just
in
the
very
beginning
about
talking
about
an
idea
of
creating
a
blacksmith,
it's
kind
of
a
game,
but
I
consider
it
more
of
a
utility
app
where
you
can
act.
The
end
goal
will
be
the
average
user
can
smith
their
own
nfts
right.
A
So
now
that
we're
moving
into
this
open
metaverse
where
nfts
are
transferable,
and
once
we
have
a
standard
protocol
which
is
kind
of
what
we
need
of
like
if
it's
gonna
transfer
from
this
game
to
this
game,
you
know
a
sword
needs
to
have
this
size
of
hitbox
and
it
needs
to
have
this
size.
You
know
it
needs
to
have
this
weight
on
it,
and
you
know
this
is
what
a
gun
needs
to
have.
B
F
B
B
F
B
A
A
Yeah
exactly
like,
but
a
hot
like
a
very
detailed
simulator,
you
know,
and
then
the
other
thing
I
see
with
this
is
it
allows
the
normie
population
to
create
nfts,
because
fashioning
3d
stuff
is
not
easy.
It
takes
a
lot
of
work
and
a
lot
of
time
and
a
lot
of
expertise
and
then
there's
the
other
side
that
I'm
trying
to
learn
of.
How
do
we
store
this
stuff
and
call
it
up
because
right
now,
like
nft
sites,
yeah
they'll
take
glb
files,
but
no
bigger
than
50
megabytes?
A
They
won't
take
iframes,
you
know,
so
it's
like
the
traditional
way
of
like
how
sketchfab
and
these
3d
sites
display
stuff.
Is.
They
typically
use
you
upload
like
a
an
html
javascript
file
like
a
web
page,
and
then
they
pull
it
in
like
an
iframe
so
that
you
can
use
the
functionality
of
turning
the
object
around.
That's
not
there
on
these
nft
sites
right
now,
so
it
you
know,
all
you
can
do
is
show
a
picture
of
it
and
people
don't
get
to
see
the
functionality
and
get
to
turn
it
around.
B
Things
that
you
change,
that's
where
you're
at
right
now
aaron
is,
is
you
know,
you're
on
that
cutting
edge?
So
you
have
the
opportunity
to
define
some
of
those
standards.
You
know
so
I
mean
that's
essentially
what
we're
doing
right
now
with
like
token
icons
is,
you
know,
there's
a
couple
bad
ways:
people
have
done
it,
but
they're
bad
ways,
and
so
you
know
we're
in
the
process
of
finalizing
this
token
icon
spec,
which
is
you
know,
clearly
better
because
it's
permissionless
and
and
you
know,
and
we
actually
have
a
spec.
B
It's
very
rough.
We
have
working
code,
it's
very
rough
but
we'll
refine
both
and
then
you
know,
there's
a
good
chance
that
that
could
very
well
become
the
standard
for
token
icons
on
bch
yeah,
it's
just
because
people
will
adopt
it
because
at
the
time
it's
the
best
thing
and
if
something
better
comes
along,
it's
going
to
have
to
be
a
lot
better.
It's
going
to
be
so
compellingly
better
that
it's
that
it
you
know
can
overcome
the
existing
standard.
A
Token
icons
are
great
idea
for
branding
too,
like
from
an
nft
creator
standpoint.
If
your
brand
is
the
token
icon,
so
you
create
the
nft
and
the
icons
got
your
brand
on
it
and
there
can
be
variations,
but
all
people
have
to
do
is
look
at
the
token
and
they
go.
Oh
that's
that
creator
I'm
going
to
look
at
their
stuff
right.
B
Yeah,
I
guess
what
I'm
saying
is,
so
we
have
that
specifications
repository
in
the
github
group
and
it's
there's
no
code,
it's
just
markdown
documents,
and
so,
if
you
want
to
start,
you
know
capturing
some
of
the
lessons.
You've
learned
through
your
3d
nft
work
and
start
writing
down
like
okay,
like
like
you
know,
this
tomahawk
is
like
the
file.
Is
this
big
and
it
has
all
these?
You
know
specific
settings
and
this
is
the
maximum,
and
this
is
the
minimum
of
what.
F
B
B
A
B
E
E
B
Oh
okay,
also
it
uses.
So
I'm
glad
you
brought
that
up,
because
that's
actually
something
that
daniel's
working
on
right
now
is
moving,
that
encrypted
messaging
capability
over
to
psf,
bch,
cly
wallet,
and
so
what
we're
the
existing
message.fullstack.cache.
It
uses
ip,
an
ipfs
server
that
that's
like
a
standalone
thing
that
I
created
and
we're
going
to
transition
that
to
the
pay
to
write
database,
so
that
that's
where
the
messages
will
actually
get
stored.
F
E
B
B
B
B
D
B
A
And
anybody
watching
check
us
out
in
telegram
chat
and
ask
any
questions
you
like,
and
then
there's
also
the
psf
social
chat
for
things
that
don't
necessarily
pertain
to
the
tech
we're
working
on
any
anything
else.
It's
a
great
way
to
place
to
go
and
yeah
check
us
out
on
youtube
and
check
everybody
out
on
twitter
as
well.
So.