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A
B
Okay,
it
looks
like
it
is:
now
live,
so
everybody
who
is
watching
recording,
hang
out
for
a
minute,
I'm
gonna
post
the
link
into
the
telegram
channel
and
then
we'll
get.
This
kicked
off.
B
Okay,
and
as
always,
I
appreciate
any
help,
keeping
an
eye
on
the
chat,
and
let
me
know
if
my
my
internet
connection
starts
to
go
bad,
but
I
think
everything
is
looking.
Okay.
C
B
2022.
from
the
head,
janitor
of
the
permissionless
software
foundation
and
I'm
joined
by
a
lot
of
the
the
usual
cast
and
crew.
Let's,
let's
do
a
quick
round
of
introductions
before
we
jump
into
the
agenda.
Aaron
shoemaker
wants
to
start
off.
D
My
name's
aaron
shoemaker,
I
do
360
vr,
nfts
and
combining
them
with
cryptocurrencies,
especially
stuff,
like
slp
tokens,
which
you
guys
are
working
on.
So.
C
B
C
B
B
Oh,
this
is
actually
david.
I
think
I
had
to
postpone
I'll
change
that
I'll
change
that
date,
so
we
always
post
the
zoom
link
here
and
then
we
post
the
youtube
live
link
on.
B
And
the
scope
of
the
agenda
covers
the
the
psf
core
software
which
is
listed
here
and
for
people
who
might
be
seeing
this
for
the
first
time.
I
encourage
you
to
go
to
cash
stack,
dot
info.
That's
a
great
high
level
introduction
to
the
psf
core
software,
so
these
meetings
are
really
an
opportunity
for
us
to.
We
have
them
every
two
weeks.
B
It's
an
opportunity
to
just
celebrate
our
technical
achievements
over
the
last
two
weeks,
we'll
go
through
the
agenda
and
then
at
the
end
of
the
agenda,
we'll
have
a
round
table
where
we
can
just
talk
about
news
and
tech
and
whatever
tickles
our
fancy
for
the
day
and
as
always,
interrupt
me
at
any
time.
Otherwise
I'll
just
go
through
the
the
items,
but
I
love
being
interrupted.
I
love
feedback,
so
let
me
make
this
bigger.
B
One
of
the
things
that
I
have
been
sort
of
preaching
lately
is
radical
and
I've
actually
managed
to
reach
out
to
the
organization
behind
radical
a
little
bit.
I
did
this
this
article
on
my
blog,
so
you
can
go
there
at
troutsblog.com
and
what's
the
url
it's
showing
here
is
the
web3
url
and
under
censorship.
I
have
this
article
on
radical
and-
and
I
talked
that
my
interest
in
radical
has
been
to
have
a.
B
I
I'm,
I'm
concerned
with
the
amount
of
de-platforming
that
I've
been
seeing
increase
on
github,
because
when
ever
since
github
was
bought
out
by
microsoft
in
2018
it
they
very
quickly
or
they're,
very
quick
to
d-platform
any
code
repository
that
even
smells
like
minecraft.
They
they
do
not
want
any
they
own
minecraft
and
they
do
not
want
any
competition
with
minecraft,
and
so
anybody
who's
ever
tried
to
like
find
code
on
github
around
minecraft
you'll
you'll
come
across
a
little
bit
of
censorship.
B
Yeah
yeah,
you
know
and
that's
the
thing
is
maybe
because
it's
blockchain
and
probably
the
code's
not
gonna
get
it.
I
don't
know,
I
don't
know
yeah.
I
don't
know
much
about
that
project,
but
I've
also
seen
it
really
step
up
with
the
youtube
download
code.
There's
been,
there's
been
sort
of
a
this
cat
and
mouse
game
of
censoring.
The
the
the
source
code
around
around
downloading
youtube
videos.
D
B
Hey
start,
censoring
cryptocurrency
repositories,
so
when
that
day
comes
I'm
planning
on
that
day,
coming
probably
sooner
rather
than
later,
I
want
us
to
have
all
of
our
source
code
backed
up
in
multiple
locations,
so
filecoin's,
one
of
them
radical,
is
now
this,
the
second
one.
So
for
anybody
who
wants
to
just
sort
of
explore
this,
you
know
as
an
anti-censorship
way.
B
I've
set
up
a
seed
node
which
is
kind
of
like
a
get
server,
and
so
you
can
push
any
code
repository
to
that
seed,
node
and
then
radical
provides
community
seed
nodes.
So
I've
got
step
by
step
directions,
kind
of
pointing
out
the
different
stumbling
blocks
that
I
hit
and
if
you
scroll
all
the
way
down
to
the
bottom,
I
have
just
a
basic
workflow
for
for
mirroring
a
github
repository
on
radical
and.
A
Can
you,
for
example,
already
like
a
mirror
clone
the
the
current
psf
code
to
this
radical
and
we
can
send
them
both
to
like
on
like
every
hour
or
something
to
just
push
the
changes,
so
we
we
can
be
prepared
even
now,
maybe.
B
B
It's
a
little
bit
of
both
it's,
I
mean,
ultimately,
it's
a
computer
somewhere.
So
it's
a
server
but
yeah
like
I,
the
seed
node
that
I
set
up
was
just
a
very
cheap
like
a
five
dollar
a
month
cloud
vps
and
I'm
assuming
that
the
the
official
secret
of
seed
nodes
that
radicals
running
are
just
bigger
versions
of
those,
it's
all
very
new.
They
they
they
do
they're
coming
out
with
their
own
token,
and
they
have
this
sort
of
clunky,
weird
ethereum
integration.
That's
not
fully
baked.
B
A
It
looks
good
it's
not
working
very
easy
because
of
this
crypto
integration.
It's
always
asking
you
for
keys
and
you
need
to
every
time
to
help
c
it's
connecting
to
a
wallet
for
your
keys.
So
it
was
a
little
difficult
to
work
with.
A
B
The
biggest
change
that
I've
seen
in
terms
of
a
workflow
is
is,
in
the
collaboration
part,
because
github
has
these
things
that
are
not.
You
know
like
issues
and
pull
requests.
Those
are
not
native
to
get.
B
Those
are
those
are
github
inventions
and
and
that's
what
controls
a
lot
of
the
collaboration
workflow
and
so
radicals
rethinking
those
parts,
and
so
it's
really
interesting
how
it's
it's
really
like
if
you,
if,
if
anybody
likes
the
computer
science
behind
distributed
systems,
like
a
lot
of
this,
you
can
tell
it
was
developed
by
computer
scientists,
because
it's
like
your
your
perspective
on
the
code
is
your
perspective
and
everybody
has
a
different
perspective
as
opposed
which
takes
some
getting
used
to
as
opposed
to
github,
which
kind
of
is
like
the
global
perspective,
and
then
everybody
just
kind
of
is
based
on
that.
B
D
Yeah
seems
like
a
good
thing.
I
think
we
talked
about
this
a
while
back
about
how
github
itself
can
become
an
issue.
I
think
we
had
a
long
conversation
about
this
one,
one
ts
technical
steering
committee.
You
know
how
all
these
people
are
like
everything's
decentralized,
but
you
know
ethereum's
codes
all
on
github.
You
know
what
happens
when
they
censor
that.
Well,
yes,
people
are
still
gonna
have
that
code
in
their
machines,
but
it's
it's
not
it.
D
B
Yeah
and
so
I
a
lot
of
people
have
suggested
because
you're
right,
this
has
been
an
ongoing
conversation.
So
this
is
really
just
the
latest
conversation
in
a
step
conversations
but
good.
B
People
have
recommended
get
lab
and
I
I
don't
know
as
much
about
gitlab.
A
lot
of
people
are
using
that
as
an
alternative
to
github
the
the
main
difference
there
is,
I
don't
know
if
gitlab
went
down
or
if
they
got
a
letter
from
the
state
telling
them
to
censor
something.
I
don't.
I
don't
know
how
that
would
play
out.
What
I
really
like
about
radical
is
there's
it's.
B
C
So,
that's
that
that's
latest
on
that
anybody
could
spin
up
a
a
radical
node
right.
Am
I
right,
like.
B
Yeah
I've
got
notes
on
how
to
do
that
in
here.
Yeah
seed
nodes,
so
I've
got
some
notes
here
on
how
to
do
a
c
note.
It
was
I
it
was
painful,
it
was
painful,
but
it
is
possible.
B
And
yeah
it's
interesting,
so
I
caught
and
throughout
this
process
I
went
to
their
discord
and
I
started
talking
to
the
devs
and
I
think
I
caught
the
eye
of
one
of
their
developer
relations
guys
and
he
was
saying
that
he
was
going
to
send
me
a
retroactive
bounty
for
the
the
article
I
wrote
so
we'll
see,
and
then
they
have
a
grants
program.
So
I
started
talking
to
them
about
oh
well,
you
know,
maybe
there's
some
synergy
between
the
psf
and
radical
here.
So
that's
an
ongoing
conversation.
B
B
B
B
So
we've
got
bch
api,
which
is
the
rest
api
and
and
that
talks
to
an
indexer
and
a
full
node
and
the
biggest.
What
I
showed
in
that
previous
meeting,
where
I
was
going
through
some
of
the
stats
they're
pretty
much
just
hammering
this
one
endpoint,
which
is
checking
a
balance,
address
balances,
and
so
what
I've
done
is
I've
added
a
cache.
B
So,
if
someone's
requesting
the
the
balance
on
an
address
or
the
same
address
over
and
over
and
over
again
and
they're,
not
using
a
jot
token,
which
means
they're
a
freeloader
they're
not
paying
for
the
service,
then
there's
a
one
minute
cache
so
it'll
just
serve
the
contents
of
the
cache,
rather
than
actually
hitting
fulcrum
and
doing
the
actual
computational
load.
B
So
that's
slowed
it
down.
That's
that's
slowed
down
the
load
quite
a
bit
and
of
course,
if
you,
if
you,
if
you
use
a
jot
token
or
you're
running
your
own
private
instance
using
basic
authentication,
then
it
then
it
the
cache
does
not
come
into
effect.
It'll
it'll
go
directly
to
fulcrum
for
that
information.
B
So
that's
been
a
that's
been
a
big
help
in
in
for
full
stack,
dot
cash,
reducing
reducing
the
load
from
free,
loaders
and-
and
I
also
decreased-
I
added
an
artificial
delay
of
three
seconds
again,
if
you're
not
using
a
paid
account
or
running
your
own
instance,
and
what
was
the
other
thing
I
did.
B
Oh
and
I
lowered
the
I
loaded,
I
lowered
the
the
requests
per
minute
from
20
to
10
requests
per
minute
for
for
a
free
account,
so
that
that
has
helped
a
lot
and
it's
actually
increased
the
number
of
paying
customers
for
fullstack.cash.
So
that's
that's
another
good
thing,
and
and
these
I'm
I'm
anticipating
that
these
techniques
that
that
we
will
have
a
produ
that
some
of
these
freeloaders
will
discover
the
web
3
infrastructure
and
they'll
start
hammering
it
pretty
hard.
B
D
Yeah-
and
I
mean
we
were
talking
about
cluster
nodes
earlier,
you
know
you
got
them
running
essentially
with
the
psf
paid
right
database,
and
it
only
makes
sense
to
me
that
eventually
get
and
its
mechanisms
will
find
its
way
to
some
sort
of
cluster
node
run
by
somebody.
You
know,
and
you
can
spin
these
up
and
that's
your
repository
essentially.
B
Yeah
and
to
be
clear,
we
want
users,
particularly
with
fullstack.cache.
I
want
users
and
I
want
to
leave
it
open
for
anonymous
usage,
but
what
I
was
seeing
when
I
use
the
term
freeloaders,
I'm
seeing
these
server
farms
that
have
a
huge
block
of
ip
addresses,
and
so
they
send
they'll
they'll,
send
each
request
with
a
different
ip
address.
So
so
these
sorts
of
rate
limit
things
like
can't.
They
can
circumvent
rate
limits,
and
so
that's
that's
been
the
real
problem.
You
know
for
full
stack
dot
cash.
B
Who
knows
man
I
mean
I,
I
can
only
speculate
a
lot
of
these
ip
addresses.
They
come
from
vietnam
and
that
sort
of
that
that
area
that
area,
southeast
asia
and
I've
seen
I've
seen
the
same
pattern
of
activity.
When
I
was
running
a
test
net
faucet
they
would.
They
would
just
play
all
these
games
jump
in
between
ip
addresses
and
and
everything
to
try
and
try
and
milk.
This
faucet-
and
I
mean
they
were
test
net
coins.
So
it
was
like
what
are
you
doing?
Man
they're,
not
worth
anything?
B
Why
are
you
trying
so
hard?
But
you
know
if
you
it's
just
the
weirdness
of
the
internet.
If
there's
a
way,
somebody
will
find
it.
B
Interesting
yeah,
okay,
so
moving
on
there's
a
minimal
slp
wallet,
so
a
client
of
fullstack.cash
reached
out
and
they're
using
minimal
slp
wallet,
it's
an
exchange,
pretty
big
one
and
it's
pretty
cool
that
they're
using
minimal
slp
wallet
and
they
were
like
hey.
B
You
know
we
they
have
their
own
private
instance
of
of
the
cash
stack
and
they're
using
basic
authentication
rather
than
drop
tokens,
because
if
you're
running
your
own
instance,
that's
the
best
way
to
do
it
to
remove
the
rate
limits
but
still
prevent
the
general
public
from
being
able
to
use
your
infrastructure
and
so
minimal
slp
wallet
got
an
update
to
allow
it
to
work
with
basic
authentication.
So
for
you
guys,
if
you're,
if
you're
running
your
own
cash
stack,
and
you
want
to
go-
go
that
route.
B
B
So
the
jot
token
is,
you
know,
issued
periodically
typically
one
once
per
month
and
or
they
expire,
whereas
the
basic
authentication
token
doesn't
doesn't
expire.
You
can
just
set
it
up,
and-
and
so
it's
it's
more
for
like
where
the
jot
token
is
better
for
individual
users,
the
basic
authentication
is
better
for,
like
a
company-wide
type
thing,
it's
like!
Oh
yeah,
here's
the
you
know,
here's
the
company
password
essentially
to
the
server,
don't
share
this,
and
if
they
do,
if,
if
it
gets
leaked,
it
can
be
changed
at
any
time.
C
I've
been
thinking
about
like
different
forms
of
user
authentication,
maybe
like
how
I
think
memo.cash
uses
they
use
the
blockchain
for
authentication.
Don't
they.
B
C
A
But
this
is
different
level,
the
the
one
that
you're
talking
is
on
application
level,
so
your
application
will
check
for
different
stuff,
but
the
the
these,
your
tokens
and
basic
authentication
there
on
the
let's
say:
transport
level,
http
level.
Yes,
yes,
that's
why
some
of
the
clients
they
just
will
not
support
your
authentication
like
curl,
for
example,
or
something
else
because
yeah
they
need
something.
Http
related.
B
Yes,
sort
of
something
in
the
middle
that
I
think
I
shared
with
you
guys
in
a
previous
meeting
is
one
way
to
sort
of
simulate.
The
jot
token
would
be
to
instead
of
passing
the
string
that
you
have.
That
represents
the
jot
token
in
the
header.
You
could
pass
a
transaction
id
and
a
bitcoin
address
and
a
signed
message,
and
then
the
server
on
the
other
end
could
could
verify
that
with
the
blockchain.
B
So
this
would
essentially
be
like
proof
of
payment
which,
which
is
essentially
what
the
jot
tokens
is
doing,
but
I
think
yeah,
the
authentication
that
you're
talking
about
sam
is,
I
don't
know
if
you
ever,
you
probably
weren't
around
back
then,
but
when
I
was
at
bitcoin.com,
we
had
the
badger
wallet
web
extension
and
it
was
a
fork
of
metamask
and
a
lot
of.
B
It
yeah
so
a
lot
of
websites.
Let
you
let
you
log
in
with
with
that.
Oh
wow,
it
had
a
little
peak
in
popularity,
but
we
just
the
the
the
badger
wall.
Project
kind
of
fell
fell
over,
and
so
it
hasn't
been
quite
as
popular
trying
to
think
of
the
there's.
There
was
on
a
stop
cache
that
had
a
great
integration
and
I
think
read.cash
might
still
have
the
integration.
B
But
then
there
was
a
lazy
fox
lazy
fox
was
this
like
upwork.
It
was
like
a
remote
worker
thing
and
they
they
really
had
the
best
integration
for
that.
Okay,
that's
cool.
B
Okay,
so
minimal
slp
wallet,
oh
yeah,
so
everybody
who's
running
a
a
full
node
for
the
cash
stack,
whether
it's
ecash
or
bitcoin
cash
they're,
both
having
a
network
upgrade
on
the
15th.
So
make
sure
you
you
take
your
if
you're
running
the
the
dot
the
docker
container
that
we
maintain
run.
These
commands,
where
you
bring
it
down
with
docker
compose
down
and
then
update
it
with
docker,
compose,
build
no
cache
and
that
will
that
will
rebuild
the
full
node
from
source
and
and
get
it
ready
for
the
then.
B
B
Oh
yeah,
okay,
so
update
on
the
multisigmentee.
This
is
something
I
was.
I
haven't
touched
it
in
about
a
week,
but
I
was
getting
really
close.
I
have
this
so
I
took
there's
this
repo.
If
anybody
wants
to
check
it
out,
I
I
forked
psf
bch,
while
it's
our
command
line,
single
address
wallet
and
I'm
actively
working
in
the
ct
unstable
branch.
B
If
anybody
wants
to
check
out
and
there's
these
two
new
codes,
ms
mint
and
ms
send
spend
file,
and
I
basically
have
the
workflow
complete
the
there's
just
one
last
thing
that
I'm
stuck
on
and
that's
bitcore
can't
do
slp
op
returns
and,
and
so
I've
gotta
find
a
way
to
generate
basically
a
transaction
with
an
op
return.
Output,
serialize
it
as
hex
with
these
with
bchjs,
then
import
it
into
bitcore
and
and
finish
the
rest
of
the
transaction.
B
That
way,
and
so
that's
what
I'm
working
on
right
now,
that's
like
the
final
piece,
but
basically
these
two
commands
we'd
have
a
minting
council
and
when
it's
time
to
mince
new
tokens,
everybody
would
who
wants
to
participate,
would
run
this
ms,
send
spend
file
and
what
it
does
is
it
takes.
B
It
essentially
sends
your
private.
What
like
one
one
person
in
the
council
would
be
picked
as
like
the
the
aggregator
who
aggregates
all
the
all
the
signatures
and
actually
creates
the
transaction
broadcasts
it,
and
it
could
be
a
different
person
each
time
we
picked
it
random,
but
everybody
else
who's,
not
the
aggregator.
They
just
run
this
one
command
when
it's
time
to
mince
them,
some
things
and
what
it
essentially
does
is
it.
B
It
gets
all
the
information,
including
the
private
key
needed,
to
create
the
transaction
and
sends
it
to
them
in
it
to
the
aggregator
over
over
the
pay
to
write
database,
so
it
encrypts
it
and
uploads
that
data
to
the
pay-to-write
database
and
then
once
everybody's
done,
that
the
aggregator
runs
the
the
multi-sig
mint,
which
retrieves
all
the
all
the
keys
from
all
the
encrypted
keys
from
the
pay
to
write,
database
and
decrypts
them
and
generates
the
transaction
and
does
the
mint
and
as
part
of
that
data,
the
the
mentors
also
include
the
the
public
key
for
the
for
the
new,
a
new
wallet
and
so
basically
the
the
mint
baton
after
it
gets
minted.
B
After
mince
more
tokens,
the
mimiton
gets
sent
to
the
new
wallet
that
and
the
aggregator
does
not
have
the
private
keys
for
that,
and
so
it
just
so
that's
that's
the
basic
workflow
is
everybody
sort
of
collaborates
to
make
the
mint
happen
and
then,
at
the
end
of
it,
everybody
has
a
new
wallet
that
only
they
have
the
keys
to
and
the
the
menthon
is
locked
into
a
new
multi-signature
wallet.
D
B
Yeah,
well,
what
it
does
is
it.
It
makes
sure
that
no
no
one
person
is
in
control
of
minting
new
tokens
and
and
so
the
way
I'm
coded
it.
You
have
to
have
at
least
two
people,
but
you
can
have
you
have
it's
it's
like
by
default?
It's
it's
a
it's
a
half
of
what
so
you
know.
B
B
Basically,
you
have
your
old
wallet
and
your
new
wallet
and
then
the
minting
baton
gets
transferred
to
the
new
wallet
and,
and
so
everybody
at
the
end
of
it
always
ends
up
with
a
brand
new
wallet
which
is
which
is
good
hygiene
to
just
sort
of
rotate
walls,
because
I
figure,
even
if
we
don't
mint
tokens,
we'll
probably
still
all
just
go
through
the
motions
every
three
months
just
for.
B
Make
sure
everybody's
still
active
and
and
then
people
will
be
able
to
if
people
can't
make
that
or
whatever,
and
they
miss
that
one
minting
they'll
be
able
to
come
back
in
on
it.
You
know
the
next
three
months
or
the
next
time
it
happens.
Yeah.
C
D
B
B
I'm
really
happy
with
this,
because
this
this
multi-segmenting
thing
it's
a
it's
a
tough
nut.
This
this
I
mean
multi-sig
in
general,
is
pretty
pretty
tough
thing
to
pull
off
and
nobody's
ever
been
able
to
do
it
with
slp
tokens.
But
I'm
just
there's
a
lot
of
very
lucrative
things
that
we
can
do
with
the
psf
token,
but
I
don't
want
to
do
it
if,
if,
if
I'm
the
only
one
holding
the
key
to
it's
too.
C
B
That's
something
to
think
about
it's
I
mean,
theoretically,
it's
not
that
hard
to
add
a
time
lock
to
a
transaction.
It's
part
of
the
part
of
the
it's
part
of
every
transaction.
You
can
usually
it's
just
set
to
zero,
but
yeah.
It's
just
a
number
that
you
set
like
this.
This
can't
be
spent
for
like
100
blocks,.
B
Something
to
think
about
definitely
yeah
and
that's.
The
thing
is
like
right
now,
I'm
just
trying
to
get
the
you
know
like
I
said
if
I,
if
I
can
figure
out
this
last
step,
then
we'll
have
a
basic
workflow
and
then
we
can
really
like
pick
it
apart
and
try
and
figure
out
how
to
make
it
better.
And
where
are
the
flaws?
This
isn't
gonna,
it's
not
gonna
be
done.
You
know
by
any
means
it's
just
like
it's
gonna
be
possible
right
now,
it's
not
it's
not
possible.
D
Yeah,
I
I
see
a
lot
of
use
cases
and
applications
for
this
thing
you
know
and
even
non-monetary
means.
You
know
more
we're
talking
about
doing
things
with
well,
you
know
I
was
talking
about
the
ipfs
like
cluster
network.
To
you
earlier
I
see
like
this
would
be
a
perfect
way
to
prevent
spam
on
a
cluster
network
and
to
you
know,
authenticate
if
you're
running
a
cluster
node,
I
can
send
you
some
tokens.
You
can
utilize
those
tokens
for
pinning
and
then
eventually
sell
them
on
the
market.
D
If
somebody
else
wants
to
use
the
pinning
services
kind
of
like
you're
doing
with
psf,
but
for
larger
file
formats
type
type
of
thing
you
know,
and
then
you
have
the
minting
council,
that's
there
to
decide.
Well,
how
much
does
it
cost
to
pin
and
they
can
change
that?
You
know
how
much
are.
Are
we
going
to
have
a
deflationary
token
or
inflationary
token?
You
know
so.
Are
we
going
to
start
dealing
with
decimals?
Are
we
start
just
going
to
mint
more
tokens
on
top
of
that?
D
What
does
it
take
to
be
on
the
council
governance?
That
sort
of
thing
right?
You
know
there's
a
lot
of
questions
to
be
answered
and
having
it.
This
way
really
makes
a
big
difference.
B
Yeah-
and
you
know,
the
thing
is-
is
once
this
is
why
I'm
so
focused
on
just
sort
of
that
binary
like?
Is
it's
either
possible
or
not
possible,
because
what
we
very
well
may
end
up
doing
is
actually
using
something
like
avalanche
c
chain
to
to
be
our
main
token
and
actually
have
the
minting
council
just
because
we
can
use.
B
We
can
leverage
some
of
these
dow
contracts,
but
but
if
we're
going
to
use
the
bitcoin
cash
chain
and
by
extension
the
ecash
chain
like
we
have
to
have
multi-segmenting
like
the
minting
council-
needs
to
have
a
way
of
multi-signature
minting
on
every
block
chain
that
we
we
focus
on,
and
it's
it's
much
easier
on
avalanche
because
they
thought
about
this
ahead
of
time
and
and
so
even
if
this
process
ends
up
being
so
clunky
that
we
don't
want
to
do
it.
B
You
know
at
least
at
least
being
able
to
do
it.
Even
if
it
is
clunky,
we
can
use
the
best
blockchain
for
the
job
and
the
best
tools
for
the
job,
but
but
every
blockchain
that
we
sort
of
build,
build
a
decks
and
build
bridges
on.
We
really
need
to
have
this
multi-signature
capability
and
a
lot
of
organizations
I
think,
are
in
that
same
the
same
boat,
just
basic
security.
B
D
B
Okay,
yeah,
I
mean
so
they,
the
multi
signature
on
the
x
chain,
because
it's
a
utxo
based
chain,
it's
very
similar,
it's
much
less
clunky,
because
it's
it's,
but
it's
not
nearly
as
full
featured
as
the
contracts
on
the
c
chain.
You
know,
that's
that's
what
like
stoyan
showed
us
with
all
the
all
the
all
the
dow
stuff,
or
we
can
even
have
it
on
near
like
at
that
point.
We
could
have
it
on
any
evm
chain
that
has
the
best
tooling
for
us,
but
but
any
chain
that
we
operate
on.
B
B
Yeah,
that's
a
good
question
so,
on
the
bitcoin
cash
side,
they're
getting
two
upgrades
they're
getting
native
introspection
which
is
really
cool
they
the
the
scripts.
When
you
write
a
program
in
script,
it
will
be
able
to
interrogate
the
transaction
like
the
opera
turn
code.
It
can
actually
you
could
actually
put
stuff.
I
mean
I
might
be
butchering
this
because
I'm
not
an
expert.
So
hopefully
someone
will
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong-
and
hopefully
I'm
not
too
wrong
about
this.
B
But
my
understanding
is
that
basically,
like
the
the
the
spending
constraints,
can
can
have
information
about
that
about
like
what
what
address
is
it
going
to
or
you
need
to
have
a
minimum
amount
going
as
an
output
or
like
what
is
some
data
in
the
opera
term
can
be
part
of
the
spending
limits
and
then
the
other
upgrade
is
moving
from
32-bit
integers
to
64-bit
integers,
and
that's
that
from
what
I've
heard,
I
don't
understand
I
mean
well,
I
do
kind
of
understand
it.
B
When
you
have
large
numbers,
then,
and-
and
you
don't
have
64-bit
integers
you-
you
have
to
spend
a
lot
of
extra
code
to
to
sort
of
get
around
that
and
there's
there's
a
there's,
a
limit
to
the
number
of
codes
that
can
be
in
any
one
script.
There's
a
size
limit,
there's
a
number
of
op
code
limits
and
so
trying
to
get
around
that.
B
That
number
limitation
has
limited
the
the
functionality
of
some
of
these
scripts,
like
what
general
protocol
is
putting
together
with
their
any
hedge
contract,
and
I
I've
heard
that
it.
It
is
the
stumbling
block
of
why
they
have
not
been
able
to
build
a
decentralized
bridge
between
bitcoin
cash
and
smart
bch.
B
So,
apparently,
when
these
changes
go
into
effect,
those
are
the
two
big
business
use.
Cases
that
will
be
unlocked
is
they'll,
be
able
to
now
build
a
decentralized
bridge
between
bitcoin
cash
and
smart
bch
and
general
protocols
will
have.
You
know
a
whole
bunch
of
new
things
that
they
can
do
with
their
with
their
any
hedge
contracts,
which
which
is
sort
of
a
new
way
of
doing
stable
coins.
And
so
that's
it's
pretty
cool.
So
you
know
looking
for
I
don't.
A
B
And
then,
on
the
ecash
side,
I
think
it's
just
their
normal
network
upgrade,
but
they
they
posted
a
a
little
info
about
the
avalanche
or
the
post
consensus.
I
believe
that's
going
to
be
on.
I
don't
think
it's
really
unlocked
with
this
upgrade,
but
it's
going
to
be
unlocked
very
soon,
like
I
think
in
the
next
month,
they'll
it'll.
B
It
won't
run
by
default
for
a
very
long
time,
but
people
can
start
staking
ecash
and
and
participating
in
avalanche
consensus
for
post
consensus
and
so
post
consensus
is
blocks
and
pre-consensus
is
transactions
and
you
got
to
do
post
consensus
before
you
can
do.
Pre-Consensus
and
essentially
post-consensus
protects
against
51
attacks,
and
so-
and
so,
if
you
know
what
was
seen
when
they
were
when
they
were
forked
off
and
they
didn't
have
much
hash
power.
B
These
miners
were
griefing
the
network
by
by
creating
these
32
megabyte
blocks
and
filling
them
up
with
opera
turn
codes
and
then-
and
it
was,
it
was
essentially
a
51
attack.
Any
any
legitimate
miner
that
was
trying
to
put
out
a
legitimate
block
would
would
get
just
crushed
by
these
bigger
miners.
Just
putting
out
these
briefing
blocks
and
so
post
consensus
only
really
comes
into
effect
during
these
extreme
situations.
99
of
the
time
it's
just
gonna
be
normal
bitcoin,
nakamoto
consensus
where
you
know
the
the
most
the
most.
B
The
most
proof
of
work
is
the
is
the
the
longest
chain
and
that's
what
everybody
follows,
but
in
these
extreme
attack
situations
of
selfish
mind
like
a
selfish,
minor,
51
attacks,
the
stakers
who
are
staking
the
ecash
can
essentially
vote
on
their
their
nodes
will
essentially
vote
on.
If
there's,
if
there's
a
fork
in
the
blockchain,
they
can
override
nakamoto
consensus
and
say
no.
B
Sets
the
stage
for
pre-consensus,
which
is
like
instantaneous
transaction.
You
know
secure,
secure,
zero,
con
confirmation
transaction.
So
within
a
second
you
know:
bitcoin
cash
has
decided
to
go
with
double
spend
proofs
which
works
for
about
95
percent
of
the
use
cases,
but
in
particular
exchange
use
cases
does
not
work
for
that
and
that's
why
abc
didn't
like
the
double
spin
proof
solution
there
for
merchants
it
works
great,
but
but
this
avalanche
pre-consensus
that
will
allow,
like
you
know
within
one
second
finality
of
a
transaction.
B
B
B
It'd
be
like
one
second
yeah
and
double
spin
proofs
are
pretty
good.
They
from
the
you
know
the
guys
who
implemented
it
that
I
talked
to.
They
were
saying
yeah
like
three
to
five
seconds.
If,
if
you
get
a
trans,
basically,
what
happens
is
if
you,
if
someone
maliciously
tries
to
double,
spend
a
transaction
in
order
to
be
successful,
they
have
to
do
it
within
three
seconds
like
otherwise.
The
the
the
probability
of
it
like
just
goes
to
zero,
basically
of
them
actually
succeeding
in
in
a
double
spend.
C
B
Yeah,
so
it
depends
what
it
comes
down
to
the
path
that
the
transaction
takes
in
the
network
so
like
again
like
this
is
these
are
all
like
very
extreme
cases,
but
when
you're
talking
about
large
amounts
of
money
like
in
an
exchange
situation,
this
is
this
is
a
very
reasonable
attack.
So
it's
like-
let's
say
you
know
I
go
to
coinbase
and
I
want
to
you
know:
do
a
million
dollars
you
know,
exchange
or
whatever
you
know.
B
Ten
thousand
dollars
doesn't
have
to
be
an
extreme
number,
ten
thousand
dollars,
and
let's
say
they
implement
you
know
or
let's
let's
say
they
implement
double
spend
proofs
and,
and
so
basically
what
happens
is
if
you
do
a
double
spend.
You
say
you
try
and
spend
the
same
utxo
twice
if,
if
you're,
using
the
same,
if
you're,
if
you
use
it
like
like
fullstack.cache,
for
example,
you're
using
the
same
node
every
time
to
broadcast
a
transaction.
B
So
when
you
do
that
that
node's
going
to
stop
you
right
there,
it's
going
to
say
no
you've
already
spent
this
utxo.
I've
already
seen
this.
So
it's
going
to
refuse
to
propagate
the
second
transaction
you're
going
to
get
an
error
and
that's
the
normal
case,
99
of
the
time,
if
you're,
highly
technical
and
you're
maliciously
trying
to
do
a
double
spend.
B
This
is
statistic
and
not
deterministic,
and
and
essentially
it's
whatever
transaction
finds
its
way
to
the
minor
first
is
the
one
that
gets
included
in
the
block,
and
so
this
is
where
the
double
spend
proof
falls
down
is,
if
someone
does
that,
like,
let's
say,
you're
using
side
shift
ai
to
swap
ten
thousand
dollars
of
tether
for
bitcoin.
B
Okay!
So
that's
that
update
on
the
token
decks,
let's
see
yeah.
So
there
is
a
ui.
In
fact,
there
is
documentation
up
at
bch,
dash
decks,
dash,
docs
dot,
full
stack,
dot
cash.
I
just
I
just
put
this
up
this
morning.
So
there's
a
high
level
introduction
video,
step-by-step
instructions
on
how
to
set
it
up
on
either
a
raspberry
pi
or
a
desktop
pc,
and
then
how
to
once.
You
pick
your
sort
of
hardware
platform,
step-by-step
instructions
on
getting
it
up.
B
How
to
prepare
your
web
wallet.
So
there's
a
wallet
that
the
dex
uses
and
then
there's
the
web
wallet,
which
is
the
user
interface
and
and
so
this
shows
you
how
to
mirror
the
wallet
in
both
and
and
then
it
works
just
like
wallet.fullstack.cash,
you
send
it
some
bitcoin
cash.
You
send
some
psf
tokens
to
pay
for
storage,
you
send
it
whatever
tokens
you
want
to
trade.
B
I
think
you
guys
have
seen
buying
where
there's
an
orders
tab
that
shows
you
all
the
all
the
tokens
listed
and
if
you
want
to
buy
one,
you
just
hit
the
take
button
and
then
selling
is
the
new
thing.
So
you
go
into
the
tokens.
Tab
like
you
normally
would
for
wallet.fullstack.cache
and
there's
the
sell
button
now
and
for
each
token,
and
so
you
click
the
sell
button.
B
On
the
token
you
want
to
sell
you
type
in
how
much
you
want
to
sell
and
how
much
per
token
you
want
to
sell
it
for
and
then
that
will
generate
a
new
offer
and
put
it
on
onto
the
network
and
then
and
then
I
added
the
documentation
for
recovering
your
funds,
so
the
web
wallet
you
guys,
will
appreciate
this.
I'm
not
sure
the
right
way
to
communicate
this
in
the
documentation,
but
the
web
wallet,
as
you
guys
know,
is
a
single
address
wallet,
so
it
just
uses,
even
though
it
uses
a
12
word
mnemonic.
B
It
just
uses
that
root
address,
but
the
the
dex
vch
dex
uses
the
full
hd
capability
of
that
mnemonic,
and
so,
when
you
generate
an
offer
or
a
counter
offer,
it
takes
those
tokens
or
that
bch
and
it
and
it
puts
it
into
a
child,
address
to
make
the
set
create
this
utxo
and
set
it
aside
so
that
it
doesn't
get
spent
accidentally.
B
And
so
this
this
chapter
shows
you
how
to
there's
a
script,
called
sweep
wallet
and
so
it'll
destroy
all
of
your
offers
and
counter
offers
and
and
sort
of
clean
up
your
wallet
and
sweep
all
your
tokens.
Bch
get
back
into
the
root
wallet,
which
is
what
the
web
wallet
can
see,
and
so
yeah
everything's
here
we've
had
a
few
people
in
the
telegram
channel
like
just
really
working
hard
to
to
set
this
up
and
use
it.
There's
quite
a
little
bit
of
traffic
on
there
and
and
I've
switched
to
docker
images.
B
You
can
just
pull
the
images
and
I
think
that's
a
much
easier
thing
for
people
to
get
to
get
set
up
and
so
from
here
I
am
going
to
hit
the
brakes
on
the
bitcoin
cash
side,
I'm
going
to
fork
what
I've
built
for
the
ecash
side
and
and
meet
our
contractual
obligations
on
there
and
then
also
circle
back
around
to
the
avalanche
side
and
bring
that
up
to
feature
parity
and
once
that's
done,
that's
probably
going
to
take
a
month
or
two
and
once
that's
done,
the
psf's
contractual
obligations
with
avalabs
and
the
ecash
gnc
will
will
be
met
and
and
we
can
move
on
to
bridges
and
multi-sigmenting
and
and
so
once
we
have
the
decks
and
the
bridges.
B
I
really
really
want
to
build.
Ultimately
you
know,
hopefully
in
the
next
four
months.
I
would
like
to
build
a
bridge
that
lets
you
exchange
psf
tokens
for
usdc
on
the
avalanche
c
chain.
So
usdc
e,
that's
tradeable
at
side
shift
and
so
it'd
be
sweet.
It
would
be
sweet
to
just
convert
your
psf
tokens
into
a
stable
coin
and
and
then
move
across
all
these
different
blockchains,
but
also
before
we
I'm
comfortable
doing
that.
B
Even
if
we
can
do
it
technically,
I
I'm
not
going
to
be
comfortable
doing
that
until
we
move
the
psf
token
into
a
multi-sig
wallet
and
and
then
on
top
of
all
that
launchpad
ip.
Let
me
show
you
guys
one
last
thing:
launchpad
ip
is
just
smoking,
which
is
mostly
daniel.
Now
is
just
smoking
along
with
token.fullstack.cache,
so
I've
shown
you
guys
this
before,
but
this
this
whole
idea
of
attaching
mutable
and
immutable
data
bch
api
just
got
an
update
that
lets
you.
B
So
now
it
only
needs
to
make
one
api
call
to
get
all
this
data,
and-
and
so
now
it's
going
into
bchjs
and
then
it'll
go
into
minimal
slp
wallet
and
then
I'll,
integrate
that
into
wallet.fullstack.cache
and
now
and
then
we'll
have
permissionless
token
updatable
token
icons
and
all
sorts
of
good
stuff
with
that,
and
so
that'll
that'll
dovetail
very
nicely
in
with
the
dexes
being
able
to
create
nfts
with
icons
and
mutable
data
and
then
sell
them
on
the
decks.
B
Yeah
so
moving
right
along
moving
right
along,
but
yeah
you
guys
can
have
a
pretty
good
sense
here
of
where
we're
at
in
the
trajectory
it's
just
the
decks.
Multi-Segmenting
token
icons.
Those
are
really
like.
My
whole
focus
right
now,
although.
D
The
immutable
token
data-
that's
that's
awesome
and
the
next
step
would
be
for
someone
to
come
along
and
you
know,
write.
The
program
like
openc
has
to
take
that
data
and
resolve
it
in
a
web
browser
for
people
yeah
and
yeah.
Now
you've
got
a
a
nice
marketplace,
you
know
so
the
ability
for
marketplace
on
that
sort
of
thing
and.
B
Once
this
is
a
little
more
polished,
the
token
icon
thing
we're
getting
very
close,
but
I've
already
started
reaching
out
to
corbin
at
bitcoin.com.
Just
saying
hey
like
I
know,
you
guys
have
a
completely
different
way
of
doing
icons
for
the
bitcoin.com
wallet,
but
if
we
can
work
together,
you
know
I'd
love
to
like
add
legacy,
support
for
the
token
icon
system
they're
using
and
then
they
could
very
easily
integrate
our
javascript
library
to
resolve
tokens
in
their
wallet
using
this
new
system.
B
So
I'd
I'd,
love
to
just
seeing
kumbaya
with
all
these
different
token
token
icon
strategies.
B
But
yeah,
let's
turn
the
table.
What
what
have
you
guys
been
up
to
what's
excited
about
you?
I
got
some
great
feedback
in
the
telegram
channel
this
week.
Just
talking
to
you
all
about
different
projects,
you're
working
on.
C
C
C
C
C
It's
functional,
I
think
it
just
needs
a
few
optimizations.
Let's
see
if
this
works.
C
I'm
trying
to
get
this
thing
showing
me
preferences
for
some
reason.
I
think,
because
I'm
on
a
mac.
A
If
you're
on
mac,
you
need
to
have
recording
settings
to
share
which
is
strange,
but
yeah
screen
capture
permissions
to
the
browser,
and
you
need
to
restart
your
browser.
Okay,.
A
C
It
let
me
try
one
more
time
I
got
to
restart
zoom
too
yeah.
I
think
it
might
not
work
on
this
thing
as
I
come
back
in
so
well,.
D
Stoian
got
nfts
running
on
the
zero
layer
the
other
week.
So
are
you
familiar
with
that.
A
Let's,
let's
finish
with
this,
so
we
will
jump
between
the
topic.
So,
let's
see
the
extension,
it's
interesting
and
then.
B
Yeah,
I
definitely
want
to
see
the
extension
I
just
haven't
had
the
bandwidth
to
really
dig
into
sam's
extension,
but
yeah,
what
little
I
saw
of
it.
The
code's
really
clean-
and
you
know
these
web
extensions-
are-
I
just
can't
believe
they
haven't
gotten
more
attention
than
they
than
they
have.
A
I
think
there
was
some
security
problems
with
the
language
that
they're
using
or
something
that's
why
they
they
are
like
not
using
them
more
like.
Oh,
because
you
are
touching
directly
the
the
browser
stuff.
So,
for
example,
maybe
you
can
touch
your
metamax
extension
and
just
get
the
funds
from
there.
I
don't
know.
Oh
yeah.
B
Yeah
yeah,
if
they
have
like
a
shared
area
in
the
browser,
so
one
extension
can
like
take
data
from
another
extension
yeah.
I
could
see
that
being
a
big
problem.
C
C
C
C
B
C
B
C
B
Yeah
yeah
I
mean
this
is
so
great
because
what
I'd
like
to
see
from
here
is.
B
To
use
freebch.fullstack.cache
the
web3
intra
and
then
that
would
let
that
would
let
people
switch
between
different
web3
backends.
So
if
one's
down
they
just
switch
to
another
one
and
no
one's
really
like
responsible
for
keeping
the
back
end
up
and
then
the
the
tokens
yeah
they're
various
they're,
a
very
slow
load
right
now,
because.
C
B
C
I
was
like
this
this,
the
bch,
the
the
ui
this
cause
this
caused
the
it
caused
bth
decks
right.
The
yeah
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
the
where
the
it
fetches,
the
the
where
the
orders
are
populated
from
because
so.
B
You
probably
need
to
delete
the
the
dex
ui,
repo
and
reclone
it
from
github,
because
I
it
was
for
the
the
first
one
was
forked
from
the
full
stack
dot
cash
web
wallet
and
I
realized
I
needed
to
fork
it
from
the
gatsby
theme
and
not
the
gatsby
starter,
and
so
I
had
like
ui2
for
a
while,
but
just
yesterday
I
deleted
the
old
repo
and
replaced
it
with
the
new
one
so
and
there
there
were
a
lot
of
bugs.
B
So
if
you're
running
the
docker
container,
all
of
that
just
happens
automatically
for
you,
but
if
you're
running
from
source
code
yeah
go
ahead
and
just
re
reclone,
the
dex
ui
repo
and
rebuild
it
and
and
it'll
it'll
fix
these
issues.
B
C
Because
I
could
stop
sharing
now
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
oh
yeah,.
A
B
But
yeah
sam,
that
extension
man
just
keep
that
I
haven't
had
the
bandwidth
to
really
get
into
it,
but
man
that
extension
is
so
valuable,
there's
just
the
fact
that
you've
packaged
it
the
way
you've
packaged
it
just
the
way
it
is,
is
that's
so
valuable
we're
going
to
need
that
in
the
future
cool.
C
A
So
yeah
these
guys
they're
creating
a
pretty
interesting
utility,
how
to
say
this:
they
just
deployed
contracts
on
different
blockchains
and
allow
messaging
between
these
contracts.
A
So
you
can
send
message
between,
for
example,
avex
c
chain
and
polygon,
and
this
message
can
be
everything:
it's
just
encoded
binary
code
like
something
some
structure,
so
you
can
use
this
kind
of
inter
messaging
for
different
stuff
and
inside
their
repository.
They
have
examples
for,
for
fungible
token
and
for
non-fungible
token
contract.
A
So
you
can
just
encode
the
yo,
like
nft
mint
call
send
it
like
a
message
to
the
other
blockchain
and
in
the
same
moment
you
can
burn
the
old
token
on
the
one
blockchain
everything
this
is
automated,
so
they
created
like
one
call,
which
is
named
like
traverse
chains,
and
you
just
give
them.
This
call
like
some
message
and
it
will
do
automatically
for
you
the
burning
proofs
meeting
on
the
other
blockchain.
A
A
You
don't
need
to
have
a
bridge
if
you,
if
you
how
to
see
and
to
do
to
be
compatible
with
this
thing,
you
just
need
to
inherit
your
smart
contract
from
their
smart
contract.
So
if
you
do
this,
this
inheritance
will
add
one
or
two
methods
to
your
contract
and
you
have
bridge
ready.
You
don't
need
to
have
a
special
beach
bridge
created
for
the
psf
token,
it
will
go
between
the
chains,
which
is
pretty
cool.
That
is
pretty
cool
yeah,
so
you
can
take.
They
have
a
great
documentation.
It's
on
git
book.
A
I
think
okay,
so
if
you
have
time
just
let's
see
check
them,
it's
everything
is,
I
think,
open
sources
and
documentation.
They
just
the
the
pro
the
little
problem
in
the
moment.
That
is
that
they
don't
have
these
contracts
on
many
blockchains.
They
just
support
like
four
or
five,
but
this
essentials
ones
are
there.
Avex
is
there.
There
is
just.
B
Nice
now
is:
does
it
cost
gas
for
that
transaction.
A
This
also
is
like
great
when
you
transfer
like
what
they
tried
was
to
transfer
from
polygon
to
phantom
so
on
your
original
chain.
When
you
make
a
call,
you
just
give
more
give
them
like
some
healthy,
same
amount
of
of
tokens
like
matic
in
this
case,
and
you
can
give
them
a
lot
and
the
cool
stuff.
A
Is
it's
using
exactly
as
needed
for
the
transfer
and
returning
your
back
to
your
initial
wallet,
the
the
rest,
not
using
token
everything
is
automatically,
so
you
can
tell
him,
for
example,
transfer
like
I
do
then
transfer
my
nft
to
phantom,
and
I
give
I
paid
with
my
matics
like
two
matics,
which
is
too
much
like
five
dollars
something.
So
it's
made
the
transfer
and
returned
to
me
like
4.90,
something
back
to
my
wallet.
Nice.
A
D
I
actually
got
one
of
stoian's
nfts
on
polygon
and
I
transferred
it
to
phantom.
So
I
crossed
the
bridge.
The
zero.
D
D
That
wants
to
do
a
deeper
dive
into
nfts
and
vr
and
xr
space
stuff
like
that
doing-
and
I
do
that
on
friday
mornings
at
like
10
30
central
time
so
it'd
be
like
8,
30,
pacific
and
then
we
we
get
guests
on
that
are
we
had
will
burns
from
super
world
on
talking
to
us
about
nfts
there,
and
then
we
had
nathan
gricelli
on
that
was
talking
to
us
all
about
making
hoverboards
in
the
metaverse
that
you
can
actually
move
around
on
and
and
their
nfts
and
their
3d
assets.
D
And
we
were
we're
talking
about.
D
You
know
the
challenges
of
doing
3d
assets
as
nfts
and
loading
them
into
games
and
and
because
those
things
are
really
just
starting
to
get
going,
and
so
like
the
zero
layer,
makes
a
ton
of
sense
from
that
standpoint
that
if
I
make
a
3d
asset-
and
I
put
it
on
polygon-
and
you
want
to
take
that
asset
to
a
game
on
phantom
totally
fine,
you
know
or
or
near
or
avalanche,
because
I
I
know
on
the
harmony
chain-
there's
there's
a
big
game
and
they're
doing
their
expansion
on
on
avalanche
right.
D
So
this
would
mean
that
if
any
new
and
if
the
zero
layer
had
a
contract
on
harmony,
then
any
new
stuff
created
on
harmony
could
then
be
transferred
to
avalanche
to
play
in
that
game.
D
B
Speaking
of
that,
I
was
sinking
an
slp
indexer
yesterday,
and
I
noticed
that
the
the
majority
of
the
slp
traffic
these
days
on
the
bitcoin
cash
chain
is
suite.
I
o
which
they
have
their
client
fullstack.cache
and
they
have
an
app
it
sort
of
gamifies
pandora.
You
get
nft
prizes
for
listening
to
music
and
so
they're,
generating
a
lot
of
nfts
but
then
enter
the
sphere.
B
Is
this
game
on
bitcoin
cash
and
they're,
generating
it's
funny
to
see
all
the
different
game
assets
come
through
the
indexer
like
bulletproof
pants
and
where
are
some
of
the
other
ones,
but
yeah,
just
all
sorts
of
like
like
like
loot,
that
you'd
have
in
a
video
game
and
they're
all
flying
through,
because
in
any
time
and
an
nft
comes
through
the
indexer
kind
of,
tells
you
what
what
it
is,
and
so
I
really
want
to
play
that
game
now.
B
Now
that
I've
I've
seen
that
I
mean
I
don't
know
if
these
assets
are
actually
in
the
game
or
if
they're,
just
building
them
to
have
them
stockpiled,
but
but
yeah.
A
lot
of
like
really
interesting,
sounding
loot
that
they're
creating
and
yeah.
I'm
excited,
I'm
excited,
I
think
gaming
slp
tokens
and
gaming
like
we
haven't.
Even
we
haven't
even
seen
any
like
that
at
all.
Yet
it's
just
it's
just
getting
started.
I
think.
With
these
token
icons,
that's
gonna
just
add
a
little
rocket
fuel
to
the
the
little
fire.
D
Yeah,
I
think
that
what's
nice
about
the
bridge
and
and
stuff
like
that,
it
means
that
I've
been
saying
this
for
like
a
year
or
so
when
things
are
interoperable
people
are
gonna,
go
to
the
cheapest
chain
to
produce
their
nfts.
D
You
know
and
they're
gonna
go
to
the
cheapest
chain
to
produce
their
game
assets,
and
so
that
means
that
I
think
you
could
see
a
huge
influx
into
bch
because
it
seems
like
everybody
on
bch
and
the
ecash
side
have
just
kind
of
had
their
nose
to
the
grindstone,
and
maybe
that's
because
coming
from
the
bitcoin
side,
you
went
through
the
hype
in
like
2014
through
2016,
and
then
you
know
now.
Everybody
else
is
in
their
hype
phase
and
you're
like
we're
working.
D
You
know
we're
making
things
that
are
going
to
work,
and
now
you
got
the
multi-sig
wallet,
you
got
the
decks.
You
know
the
multi-sig
could
apply
to
game
developers
as
well
like
your
game,
developer
company,
so
not
one
person
could
just
mint
a
bunch
of
swords
and
then
sell
them.
You
know
on
the
side
now
you
have
a
multi-segmenting
function
for
your
game
assets.
You
know.
D
B
Yeah
and
that
that
zero
layer
application
that's
got
my
gears.
Turning
because
I
mean
it's,
unfortunately,
it's
too
easy
to
burn
tokens
on
the
bitcoin
cash
side,
but
that
I
mean
that
would
be
that
that's
interesting
to
see
their
application
is
you
burn
the
nft
on
one
block
chain
and
then
you
mint
it
on
the
next
blockchain,
because
we
can
definitely
do
that.
That
is
definitely
a
way
to
move
an
nft
across
blockchains.
D
Yeah
yeah
and
I
think
it'd
be
great
and
the
thing
is
like
with
avalanche
and
bch
and
ecash
way,
cheaper
way,
cheaper
and
then
like
when
we
were
trying
to
do
the
demonstration
with
polygon
the
other
day
we
were
having
trouble
because
the
network
was
too
congested
because
all
that
you
know
all
these
people
jumped
from
ethereum,
because
there
was
some
announcement
where
layer
two's
not
coming
out
yet
you
know,
of
course
they
pushed
it
back,
and
so
all
these
devs
jump
back
to
polygon
and
then
it's
congested
and
you
know
so
when
you're
looking
at
like,
I
want
speed
and
reliability.
B
A
It's
it's
anchor,
and
maybe,
if
I
show,
if
I
show
you
it
will
be
easier,
do
you
have
steel
time,
yeah
yeah,
just
a
second
to
see
yeah,
okay.
So
it's
very
cool
and
it's
very
timely
now,
because
we're
facing
some
like
winter
coming
so
you're
faced
with
the
what
to
do
with
your
avex,
should
you
sell
it
or
what
to
do
with
this,
and
these
guys
coming
just
in
time
now
to
to
how
to
see
here
we
go
giving
you.
A
A
bank
or
something
they
provide
you
with
the
way
to
stay,
kill
avex.
So
when
you
stake
it
with
them,
they
will
give
you
something
named
like
what
was
s
avex
or
something
why
it's
not
starting.
D
A
So
you're
staking
with
them,
and
why
is
this
guy
so
slow?
It's
because
it's
zoom
here.
A
You
see,
I
have
a
full
full,
avex,
so
yeah,
so
this
so
first
first
step
you
go
to
this
banky
side
and
you
stake
your
avex
and
in
return
you
get
this
s
alex
and
when
you
have
this
s
avex
you
can
use
it
for
different
d5
projects.
So
it's
named
the
liquid
staking
because
it's
not
just
putting
them
there.
They
return
you
you
put
there
like
10
10
avex
and
they
will
give
you
10
s
avex
and
you
can
use
it
for
what
you
want.
A
So
what
you
can
do
is
you
can
this
you
get
this
as
avex?
You
put
them
here
in
anchor
and
you
can
get
ust
the
stable
coin
and
you
can
borrow
this
usd
and
use
it
for
what
you
want,
for
example,
to
buy
the
cheap,
bitcoin
or
something
something.
So
when
the
winter
is
over
you
just
how
to
see.
Then
all
the
tokens
will
go
up.
So
you
return
your
ust
and
you
get
your
also.
You
have
ex
back
yeah
because.
B
A
B
The
bottom's
in
then
and
you're
willing
to
take
a
bet
on
that.
Then
you
can
get
leverage
to
to
buy
yeah.
That's
what
I
did
is
I
bought.
I
did
a
very
similar
contract.
It's
called
teddy,
where
you
get
the
the
stable
coin,
and
so
I
I
staked
some
avalanche
at
seventy
dollars
and
then
I
used
that
teddy
to
buy
more
avalanche.
So
that
was
my
leverage.
B
And
then
I
sold
when
it
went
up
to
90
and-
and
so
I
I
ended
up
with
more
avex-
you
know
it
wasn't
really
about
the
dollars.
It
was
about
getting
more
avec's,
yeah.
A
I've
done
the
same
with
this
like
this
anchor
I
get
ust
and
I
bought
more
avex,
and
if
it's
go
to
zero,
whatever
it's
like,
then
the
avex
will
go
also
to
zero.
I
don't
care,
I
will
lose
it
and
it
will
be
loseless,
but
they
will
not
go
to
zero.
I
think
they
will
go
up,
so
I
can
return
my
like
borrowed
assets
and
still
have
this.
B
A
But
this
in
this
case
it
should
go
a
lot
down
because
how
to
see
it's
pretty
like
a
wild
range
like
now
for
avox,
it's
need
to
go
below
40
dollars
or
something
which
will
not
happen
soon.
I
think
it
should
be
some
big
fault.
A
B
Yeah
I
mean
it's
leveraged,
it's
it's
like
margin
trading
when,
when
you
trade
on
margin,
it's
like
okay,
well
I'll,
post
a
hundred
dollars,
but
you're
gonna
give
me
two
hundred
dollars
in
credit,
so
I'm
actually
trading
with
three
hundred
dollars.
But
that
means
like
so
any
gains
you
get
three
x,
but
any
losses
you
get
three
x.
Oh
so
yeah!
It's
a
double-edged
sword!
So
it's
like
you.
You
really
need
to
be
right
on
that
bet.
Yeah,
otherwise,
you're
going
to
lose
your
shirt
to.
A
D
D
B
B
You
know,
and
it's
it's
an
over
collateralized
loan,
so
you
you're
not
adding
any
systemic
risk.
It's
not
like
this
thing
could
blow
up
and
like
systemically,
have
an
issue
because
they're
all
at
least
the
ones
that
I've
seen
they're
all
over
collateralized
and
and
because
they're
over
collateralized.
You
know
you
really
don't
need
a
nanny
state
to
tell
you
what
you
can
and
can't
do
just
get
in
there
and
do
it.
B
That's
the
part
of
the
narrative
that
gets
lost
when,
when
you
know
the
the
u.s
treasury
in
particular
keeps
raising
this
as
an
issue
of
like
this
could
be.
You
know
like
2008
over
again
like
this
is
like
systemically
an
issue
and
they
never.
They
never
point
out
the
fact
that
these
are
all
over
collateralized,
so
there's
no
possible
way
that
this
could
be
a
systemic
issue.
D
Yeah
yeah
and
it's
I
see
a
lot
of
fear-mongering
going
on
about
cryptocurrencies
lately.
You
know
where
they're
like
are
they
gonna
do
something?
Are
they
gonna,
regulate
and
part
of
me
is
like?
Do
these
people
not
get
what
the
blockchain
is?
You
know
and
not
see
how
you
know.
Russia
did
things.
China
did
things,
it
hasn't
stopped
it.
You
know
and
yeah.
B
The
analogy
I
keep
coming
back
to
is
blogs
and
newspapers.
The
newspaper
industry
in
the
90s
was
this
giant
behemoth
and
they
couldn't
even
perceive
the
threat,
let
alone
fight
it.
You
know,
craigslist
and
blogs
would
completely.
B
D
B
They
have
zero
visibility
into
what's
happening
and,
like
I
mean
one
of
the
things
that
I
I
would
love
to
know
more
about,
I
wish
somebody
would
do
a
documentary
on
this
is
how
tether
and
other
stable
coins,
but
it
really
started
with
tether,
is
being
used
in
like
the
philippines
and
all
those
southeast
asian
island
countries,
just
just
to
do
trade,
and
it
has
been
for
oh
five,
six
years,
that's
kind
of
how
things
get
done
out
there,
particularly
when
you
don't
have
a
good
banking
system
or
any
of
the
things
that,
like
americans,
take
for
granted
in
terms
of
banking
systems
and
and
that's
all,
that's
all
completely
off
the
radar.
B
There's
like
like
whole
countries.
Getting
things
done
using
these
tools
and
the
central
banks
of
the
world
have
like
zero
visibility
into
any
of
that,
and
and
so
they
don't,
even
they
don't
even
know
what
they're
fighting.
D
Yeah
they
do
they
do,
and
that's
I
mean
that's
a
I'm
on
spaces
where
people
aren't
as
similar
minded
as
us
and
they're
like
well,
we
need
a
government,
you
know
authentication
system
that
and
I'm
like,
I
don't
think
you
get
what
you're
asking
for
and
what
can
happen
if
that
is
put
into
place,
but
one
of
the
things
that
I'm
one
of
the
projects
I'm
working
on
besides
a
cluster
node
network
for
ipvs
for
testing
and
then
eventually
for
running
and
recursive
pinning
for
websites,
because
I'd
like
to
start
migrating
from
web
to
platforms
to
web
3
for
when
I'm
building
websites
for
people.
D
But
one
of
those
things
that
I'm
working
on
is
like.
I
talked
to
a
local
coffee
shop
in
town
and
they
said
well.
We
got
this
problem
that
during
covid
we
started
doing
a
lot
of
at-home,
cold
brew
stuff
and
now
it's
caught
up
with
us,
because
the
shops
open
again
and
we
can't
keep
it
on
stock,
and
I
want
to
separate
the
orders
I
was
like.
You
could
just
make
a
coffee
token.
You
know
and
you
could
distribute
the
coffee
token.
D
People
come
in
and
redeem
it
for
cold
brew,
but
the
good
thing
is:
if
the
ice
cream
shop
makes
an
ice
cream
token
guess
what
they
can:
trade,
the
coffee
token
for
the
ice
cream
token
and
come
in
and
redeem
it
and
he's
like.
Oh
wow,
I'm
like
yeah,
and
you
don't
even
have
to
worry
about
it.
You
know
so
like
I
could
set
up
a
a
dex
and
a
full
stack
here.
D
You
know
in
omaha
and
start
encouraging
the
local
ice
cream
shop,
the
local
taco
shop,
the
local
coffee
shop
to
start
distributing
these
tokens
and
now
we're
moving,
and
I
think
we
had
this
conversation
before
chris,
where
we
were
like
money
has
evolved
from
bartering
system
to
I
got
money,
so
I
don't
have
to
bring
everything
to
market
to
like
now
the
money's
not
backed
by
anything.
To
now.
I
think
the
logical
progression
is
tokens
that
we
exchange
on
a
dex
kind
of
back
to
the
barter
system.
Like
full
circle.
You
know
commodities.
B
The
dollar
is
backed
by
gold
and
then
it
was
backed
by
oil,
and
now
it's
going
to
be
backed
by
commodities
again
or
money
in
general
is
going
to
be
backed
by
whether
that's
ice
cream
or
coffee
or
oil
or
gold.
You
know
they're
all
commodities
yeah
all
right.
Well,
it's
been
about
an
hour
and
20
minutes,
let's
go
ahead
and
take
the
live
stream
down
and
then
we'll
hang
out
for
a
little
after
hours
deal.
B
So
anybody
who's
watching
this
recording.
Thank
you.
Anybody
who's
watching
it
live.
Thank
you.
I'm
going
to
check
and
see
oh
yeah
crazy
money's
been
in
there
when's
the
mexico
visit,
probably
next
winter,
and
probably
not
down
to
your
neck
of
the
woods
buddy,
but
the
next
winner.
I
am
planning
on
coming
down
to
the
yucatan
peninsula.
If,
if
you
know,
if
my
schedule
doesn't
get
interrupted,.
B
B
And
yeah
right.
B
Gonna
go
ahead
and
take
this
off
of
youtube.
You
guys
have
anything
you
want
to
say
before
I
do
that.
D
No
yeah
everybody
stay
safe
and
keep
fighting
the
good
fight.