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From YouTube: PSF TSC Meeting 12/7/22
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The Technical Steering Committee (TSC) meeting held on 12/7/22. Agenda can be found here:
https://github.com/Permissionless-Software-Foundation/TSC/issues/44
A
Here
all
right
couldn't
get
this
Live
on
YouTube,
but
we're
doing,
recording
and
I'll
upload
it
later
welcome
everybody
to
the
permissionless
software
Foundation
technical
steering
committee,
I'm,
Chris
troutner.
Let's
go
around
and
do
a
quick
ground
of
introductions
go
ahead
and
start
us
off
Shoemaker.
A
C
A
A
A
So
what
I
really
want
to
get
to
today
in
the
round
table
is
talking
with
you
guys
about
next
steps
for
governance,
but
let
me
go
through
some
of
the
the
technical
updates
first
and
as
always,
please
interrupt
me
otherwise.
I'll
just
try
and
get
through
this
stuff,
but
I
love,
I,
love
being
interrupted
and
answering
questions
and
Technical
discussion.
A
The
the
big
news
is
that
the
ecash
decks
is
fully
functional
and
I've.
Let
the
the
ecas
GNC
know
that
the
agreement,
so
here's
here's
the
decks
I've
got.
Oh,
that
was
weird,
got
a
couple
nfts
for
sale
there
and
they
I
believe
there
are
some
fungible
tokens
listed
unless
everybody's
bottom
yeah
there's
a
couple
still
listed,
and
so
you
can.
These
are
so
there's
fungible
tokens
and
nfts
and
there's
the
buyer
and
the
seller
and
the
documentation
has
been
updated.
A
A
So
that's
pretty
exciting.
That's
been
a
big
obligation
for
a
while,
it's
nice
to
have
that
done
and
and
I
I
also
received
a
grant
from
a
flip
starter,
which
I'll
start
that
work
in
January.
So
I
have
the
rest
of
the
month
of
December
to
really
work
on
the
governance
tooling.
For
for
the
permissionless
software
foundation,
so
I'm
looking
forward
to
doing
that,
looking
forward
to
getting
your
guys's
feedback
on
that
yeah,
fantastic.
D
E
A
There's
some
interest
I've
been
talking
mostly
I'm
in
a
group
of
e-cash
Builders,
and
this
there's
a
guy
will
who
also
built
a
a
swap
Marketplace.
He
actually
just
launched
the
app
I
was
just
playing
with
it.
So
it's
very
similar,
but
it
uses
the
it
sticks
closer
to
the
original
swap
protocol
by
putting
all
the
data
on
chain.
A
So
he
he
was
the
one
that
was
mostly
asking
me
about
the
paid
right
database
and
he
he
seemed
to
like
the
answers
that
I
was
given
them
and
Will's
a
Will's,
a
good
guy
I'm,
looking
forward
to
working
with
him,
because
I
want
to
find
figure
out
how
we
can
make
you
know
our
implementation
work
with
his
implementation,
so
that
we
can
just
have
more
liquidity
in
general
right
right.
That's
cool.
A
Yeah
yeah,
so
the
other
thing
of
note
is
this:
Dex
amm,
so
amm
stands
for
automated
Market
maker
and
it
maintains
offers
in
the
decks.
And
so
let
me
show
you
what
that
looks
like.
So
it's
it's
fully
operational
in
the
bch
decks
right
now.
So
it's
it
sells
these
three
trout
tokens
and
these
two
psf
token
Lots.
So
a
lot
of
ten
and
a
lot
of
one.
A
So
what
it's
doing
is
it's.
It's
just
basically
a
buff,
that's
sitting
there
and
every
10
minutes.
It
looks
to
see
what
the
the
Bitcoin
cash
price
is
and
then,
if,
if
it's
deviated
by
more
than
five,
if
these
prices
have
deviated
by
more
than
five
percent
it'll
destroy
the
offer
and
recreate
it.
And
if
anybody
comes
along
and
buys
into
these
orders,
it'll
it'll
recreate
the
order,
and
then
it's
also.
A
A
If
you
were
to
go
to
PS,
foundation.cash,
so
kind
of
an
interesting
thing,
I'm
hoping
people
will
take
this
and
there
there
are
a
handful
of
companies
that
are
still
have
SLP
tokens
and
they've
been
waiting
for
me
to
finish
the
decks
so
that
they
can
list
their
tokens
for
sale.
So
I
think
this
will
help
them
I'm,
really
hoping
to
see
people
list
usdt
the
the
tether
stablecoin
it's
still
around.
A
It's
still
functional
I
just
talked
to
bitcoin
VN,
which
is
a
non-kyc
exchange
based
I
believe
in
Vietnam,
and
they
just
enabled
UST
both
buying
and
selling.
So
if
people
need
liquidity
just
buying
to
sell
UST
on
the
on
the
decks,
they
can
get
it
from
this
other
exchange,
and
so
yeah
I'm
really
hoping
to
see
some
UST
listed
there
and
and
see.
If
we
can
revive
the
the
stable
coins
on
bitcoin
cash,
that
would
be
pretty
nice
on
the
ecash
side.
A
So
that's
the
tax
update
other
Tech
updates
of
note.
So
a
couple
meetings
ago
I
was
I
was
talking
about
that.
Oh
there's,
this
bug,
but
I've
never
seen
it
in
minimal
SLP
wallet
and
I've,
never
seen
it
before
and
I.
Don't
think
it's
affected
anybody,
and
then
here
we
go
like
a
couple
days
ago.
The
the
token
liquidity
app
yeah
it
was.
A
If
I
had
done
that,
this
couldn't
have
happened
because
the
bug
was
already
fixed,
so
I've
done
that
I've
updated
the
dependencies,
I
re-minted
the
same
amount
of
psf
tokens
and
sent
them
to
the
Token
liquidity
app.
So
we're
we're
back
up
and
operational,
but
this
just
goes
to
serve
to
show
why
and
so
the
token
liquidity
app's
been
down
for
like
a
week
and
because
it
just
runs
and
it
like
you
know-
I-
don't
check
on
it
for
a
while
right.
A
D
The
things
that
I
do
as
a
part
of
owner
is
going
to
be
buying
some
more
psf.
You
know
just
because
it
becomes
a
a
reward
for
purchasing
and
selling.
So,
rather
than
having
my
own
rare
token,
I'd
rather
have
something
that
supports
the
entire
ecosystem.
So
you
recommend
going
forward
instead
of
using
the
the
token
liquidity
app
go
ahead
and
use
the
decks
yeah.
A
Yeah
go
to
the
the
bch
decks
here
at
dextdemo.fullstack.cash,
navigate
to
the
the
fungible
tokens
area
and
right
now,
I've
got
them
in
one
and
ten
token
denominations,
but
I
can
you
know,
increase
that
and
eventually
you
know
this.
This
is
jumping
ahead
to
the
governance
stuff,
but
I
I
don't
want
to
be
the
one
operating
the
stuff.
I
would
like
for
us
to
create
a
bounty
for
someone
to
operate
this
stuff
and
preferably
anonymously.
A
If
we
can
manage
to
do
that
securely
and
I'll
get
I'll
get
a
few
more
details
about
that,
but
yeah.
This
is
the
best
way,
because
if
something
happens,
if
there's
like
a
network
Hiccup
and
the
order
doesn't
go
through,
you
don't
see
your
tokens.
This
is
in
the
documentation,
but
you
can
always
go
to
the
sweep
section
and
then
click
the
sweep
decks
trading
wallet
and
that
will
cancel
any
open
counter
offers
and
bring
the
money
back
into
your
wallet.
D
A
Yeah
well,
I
could
help
you
with
the
API
calls.
You
can
do
that
whole
purchase
process
like
just
through
by
making
API
calls
and-
and
so
you
could
actually
have
that-
all
automated
on
your
back
end:
okay,
yeah!
Maybe
I'll
talk
to
you
about
that.
Thanks
yeah,
just
going
through
the
decks
so
I'll
skip
around
here
before
we
get
to
the
the
governance
one,
the
wall
there's
a
skip
down
to
the
bottom
here,
there's
a
wallet,
optimize
command
and
I
think
did
I
bring
that
up
here,
yeah.
So
this
is
in.
A
This
has
been
in
minimal
SLP
wallet
and
I
know
Aaron
Sunman,
you're,
probably
the
most
excited
about
it
being
in
the
command
line
wallet,
and
so
what
it
does.
Is
it
optimizes
your
your
wallet
by
consolidating
the
utxo?
So
if
there's
multiple
Bitcoin
cash,
utxos
it'll
it'll
generate
a
transaction
to
bring
them
all
in
consolidate
them
into
a
single
utxo.
So
you
don't,
you
haven't
lost
any
money,
you've
just
reduced
the
number
of
utxos
and
every
utxo.
It
represents
essentially
one
or
more
API
calls,
and
so
the
effect
that
it
has
is
it.
A
So
it's
it's
really
useful
for
for
that
anytime,
especially
if
you
have
an
automated
program,
like
the
token
liquidity,
app
or
the
or
the
decks
or
any
of
these
apps
that
are
sort
of
automated,
they
tend
to
accumulate
utxos
and
they
get
slower
and
slower
and
slower.
I
actually
just
saw
this
happen
with
the
pay
to
write
database.
It's
been
getting
slower
and
slower
and
slower
over
the
last
like
two
three
months
and
couldn't
really
figure
out.
Why
and
it
turned
out
it.
A
D
I
would
imagine
that
there
are
times
when
it's
not
just
speeding
it
up,
but
it
becomes
something
that
goes
from
not
possible
to
possible
because
of
this,
because
as
soon
as
you
get
so
many
utxos
like
like
we
saw
with
flexusd
or
something
that
it
just
like
conks
everything
out
that
this
is
actually
a
a
big
move
forward.
I
think
for
that
yeah.
A
Yeah,
it
leads
to
a
lot
of
secondary
issues
where
you
know,
when
you
make
an
API
call.
Typically,
it
has
somewhere
between
15
and
30
seconds,
to
complete
otherwise
it'll
be
shut
down
and
a
lot
I've
seen
that
a
lot
of
times,
there's
also
rate
limiting.
You
know
the
more
API
calls
you're
going
to
make
like
the
more
likely
you
are
to
hit
a
rate
limit
error,
so
there's
so
yeah
this.
D
A
That
correct,
yeah,
yeah
nfts
are
always
a
single
utx,
so
right
yeah
yeah,
but
you
know
on
the
same
phenomenon.
This
is
also
why
I
encourage
people
not
to
put
too
many
tokens,
including
nfts
and
one
wallet,
because
every
utxo,
so
it's
like
yeah
I
I,
encourage
people
like
kind
of
10.
Is
the
limit
like
like
if,
if
you
have
more
than
10,
nfts
or
10
different
types
of
token
in
your
wallet,
you
should
really
think
about
splitting
those
up
into
multiple
wallets.
A
D
D
You
know
for
any
of
their
newer
ones
before
they
would
do
a
lot
of
SLP
but
I'm
afraid
what
they
were
doing
and
they're
creating
5
000.
How
do
you
keep
five
thousand
in
one
wallet?
You
know
I
mean
if
you
split
it
up
to
10
per
wallet.
Well,
you're,
still
talking
500
wallets,
you
had
to
create
to
deal
with
your
5000,
so
I,
don't
know:
I
I,
I,
look
at
that
and
I'm.
D
A
You
know
so
what
I
a
strategy
I
would
recommend
for
that,
because
I
think
that's
gonna
become
more
and
more
of
a
common
problem
is
have
a
sort
of
a
working
wallet
and
then
like
a
cold
wallet.
So
anytime
you
get
more
like
and
you
can
automate
the
rules
around
this
like
anytime,
you
have
more
than
say,
10
tokens
in
your
working
wallet.
You
push
them
off
into
the
cold
wallet
right
and
as
you
need
them,
you
bring
them
back
and
yeah.
D
Think,
after
all,
the
work
I've
done,
I
feel
like
that's
the
right
method,
I
like
right
now,
I'm
looking
at
just
doing
an
individual
personal
wallet
that
doesn't
hold
any
of
the
nfts
just
hold
psf
and
bch,
and
all
the
nfts
get
moved
off
into
like
controlled,
wallets
yeah,
but
I'm
just
assigned
ownership
elsewhere
in
an
account
in
the
database
which
sucks
but
like
yeah.
Trying
to
do
everything
on
chain
is
really
really
tough.
Yeah.
A
A
A
If
anybody
here
has
used
that
nft
creator
app,
it
achieves
the
exact
same
thing,
but
just
with
the
command
line
wallet
and
because
it's
the
command
line
wallet
like
you
can
take
the
steps
in
that
video
and
tweak
them
just
slightly.
If
you
want
to
make
you
know
a
group
token
or
an
nft
or
a
fungible
token
or
a
simple
nft,
what
I
show
in
the
video
is
how
to
make
a
simple
nft,
but
it's
just
go.
C
A
C
A
D
A
Yeah,
just
just
the
command
line
wallet,
if
you,
if
you
want
to
Mint
nfts
and
group
tokens
like
just
the
command
line
wallet
the
I,
don't
have
a
I
haven't
produced
a
web
app
that
that
will
work
with
group
tokens
other
than
I
mean
the
decks
and
and
the
web
wallet
will
receive
them
and
you
can
send
them
just
fine,
but
in
terms
of
minting
tools,
it's
just
a
command
line,
wallet,
okay,
well
yeah.
So
that
brings
us
to
the
VIP
channel.
A
A
Ic
this
this
is
it's
kind
of
like
a
Swagger
dock
where
it
lets
you
interact
with
the
the
bch
API
rest
API
calls.
So
if
you
go
down
to
the
psf,
SLP
indexer
calls
and
then
take
the
so
this
this
page
is
linked
in
the
in
the
agenda.
If
you
guys
want
to
get
here
and
get
this
token
ID,
when
you
call
a
stat,
the
stats
end
point
on
a
token
for
a
group
nft,
it
will
return
all
the
child
nfts
that
that
group
token
generated.
A
So
these
are
all
the
the
governance
psf
governance
nfts
that
exist
as
of
this
date.
So
if
I,
if
I
meant
new
ones,
they'll
they'll
show
up
here
and
so
and
then
I
can
do
a
reverse
lookup,
where,
if
I
query,
the
transaction
history
of
one
of
these
nfts
I
can
get
the
last
transaction
and
then
from
that
transaction
I
can
find
the
address
of
the
person
holding
the
nft,
and
so
that's
what
allows
the
governance
token
to
act
as
a
homing
Beacon
for
voting
tokens.
So
I
can
air
drop
voting
tokens
I?
A
The
other
thing
that
this
this
governance
nft
gives
you
is
the
ability
to
speak
in
this
VIP
room
and,
and
so
yeah.
You
guys
have
all
gone
through
this.
Where
you
register
you,
you
sign
a
message
proving
that
you
own
an
address
that
possesses
one
of
these
nfts
and
then
the
bot
verifies
that
and
verifies
that
you
are
actually
in
possession
of
a
governance
nft
and
then,
and
then,
once
it's
per
you've
proven
that
it
allows
you
to
talk
in
the
channel.
A
You
know:
do
governance.
We
haven't
really
done
a
serious
governance
thing
in
in
a
year.
You
know
we
were
doing
the
Merit
calculation
and
we
were
using
that
to
airdrop
tokens
and
that
worked,
but
it
was
really
complex
and
a
lot
of
work
on
my
part
and
so
I
think
that
the
way
we're
doing
it
now
will
be
much
more
automatable
and
and
be
much
easier
for
us
to
just
like
the
the
idea-
and
this
is
also
I-
should
cover
this
in
case.
A
A
That's
a
good
idea.
We
should
do
it,
then
we
can
put
it
to
a
vote.
So
now
we
have
the
mechanism
in
place
to
airdrop
voting
tokens
just
like
we
did
in
the
past
where
you'd
get
a
voting
token
and
you
send
it
to.
You
know
one
of
three
addresses
like
yes,
no
or
abstain
or
and
if
you
don't
send
it
that
counts
as
an
abstain
and
and
and
because
the
governance
token
is,
is
for
sale.
A
Token
in
this
way
is
because
I
was
worried
about
people
telling
other
people
what
to
do
and
and
I
didn't
want
us
to
devolve
into
that,
because
this
is
not
a
company
and
I
I.
Think
watching
the
yearn.
The
urine
is
a
dow
on
ethereum
and
watching
their
videos
and
how
they
dealt
with
this
really
like
that
whole
notion
of
telling
people
what
to
do
just
doesn't
exist
in
a
doubt.
A
A
So
at
this
point,
like
I'm,
just
glad
to
I,
I
really
want
to
step
back
personally,
like
I.
Don't
want
to
have
these
keys
I
don't
want
to
have
this
power
I
want
us
to
all
be
able
to
work
together
and
achieve
decisions.
You
know
through
consensus
and
see
where
this
organization
goes
from.
There
I
mean
we're
all
aligned,
sort
of
I
idealistically
in
terms
of
just
wanting
freedom,
and
we
have
a
mission.
The
psf
has
a
mission,
I
think
we're
all
aligned
on
that.
So
anyways.
A
A
So
we
talked
a
little
bit
in
the
VIP
Channel
about
multi-cig,
wallets
and
there's
there's
two
main
applications
that
I
see
could
use
multi-sig
wallet
for
our
governance.
One
is
that,
like
I
said
I'd
like
to
I'd
like
to
have
an
official
psf
Dex
operator,
that's
selling,
psf
tokens
and
governance.
Tokens
and
I'd
also
like
us
to
continue
to
have
an
official
token
liquidity
app
and
an
operator
and
I
and
I'd
like
to
not
be
that
operator
or
I,
think
it
would
be
safer
if
I
wasn't.
A
A
A
We
choose
to
create
a
a
token
on,
so
those
are
two
ways
that
I
could
see
the
multi-sig
and
then
I
also
just
wanted
to
open
it
up
to
talk
about
the
minting
council
and
and
how
do
we
go
about
deciding
who
should
be
on
the
minting
council?
That's
the
big
question
in
my
mind,
so
yeah
I'll
open
it
up.
You
guys
have
any
thoughts
on
any
of
that.
B
A
D
A
Yeah
and
and
the
other
thing
so
I
have
to
actually
have
this
written
down
in
the
documents
for
the
minting
council.
It
would
be
a
requirement
to
meet
every
quarter
and
that
the
purpose
for
that
would
be
to
update
the
price
of
the
psf,
the
cost
to
write
to
the
the
pay
to
write
database.
That's
another
thing:
that's
set
by
a
private
key,
because
it's
part
of
the
mutable
data.
For
that
token,
so,
whenever
paid
right
database
comes
up,
one
of
the
first
things
it
does
on
Startup
is
it.
A
It
looks
at
an
address
on
the
Bitcoin
cash
blockchain
to
see
what
is
the
price
I
should
be
charging
for
a
right,
and
the
idea
is
for
that
price
to
be
set
by
the
mini
Council.
That
would
be
done
through
a
multi-sig
wallet,
and
so
the
idea
with
the
mini
council
is
it
would
be
a
requirement
to
meet
every
three
months.
B
A
C
A
That's
a
good
question:
I
think
it
just
probably
the
easiest
way
would
be
for
me
to
just
create
like
a
a
a
two
of
three
multi-cig,
where
I
have
all
the
keys
and
then
and
then
I
can
like
and
then
and
then
we
can
do
a
series
of
transactions
that
move
those
keys
out
and
bring
new
keys
in
I.
Think
I
think
that's
how
we
could
do
it.
C
Then
we,
where
will
be
this
code
base,
go
like
my
idea
was
like
we,
we
talk
in
telegram,
so
the
the
multi-seek
wallet
itself
is
a
great
feature.
So
I
was
thinking.
Maybe
if
you
add
this
functionality,
for
example,
to
the
all
of
the
psf
command
line
wallets,
because
we
already
have
like
ecash,
bcha
and
avex
one.
E
C
If
we
perhapsy
it's
not
very
good
idea
to
have
different
multi-c
code
base,
then
this
one
it
will
be
maybe
good
to
have
this
in
the
current
one.
But
for
example,
nowadays
this
configuration
feature
where
we
we
put
like
rest
or
whatever
or
something
so
when
you
add,
for
example,
like
multi-seek
equal.
Yes,
it
will
enable
this
functionality,
so
the
usual
guys
they
will
maybe
not
need
multi-6.
So
when
they
install
this
wallet,
they
will
just
use
it
like
until
now.
C
A
C
C
B
C
B
Yeah
I
like
that
idea,
and
it
so
you
can,
you
don't
have
to
have
two
separate
things.
You
download
one
one
wallet
and
when
you
tell
it
well
that
that
makes
it
really
easy
too,
because
if
people
get
used
to
using
the
psf
bch
wallet
well,
they're,
not
switching
they're,
literally
just
going
all
right.
I
want
to
use
this
for
whatever
use
case,
you
know,
maybe
we're
doing
a
fundraiser
or
something
like
that.
B
E
B
You
know
I've
seen
other
programs
do
with
the
when
you're
talking
about
the
help
function.
I've
seen,
other
programs
have
different
ways
of
calling
the
help
command
and
yeah
so
that
you
can
in
get
more
detailed
and
less
detailed
on
the
help
functions.
So
you
could.
You
could
do
something
like
that,
so
that
you
have
a
very
simplified
help
command
and
then,
if
something
you
want
something
more
detailed,
there's
another
help
command.
That's
more
detailed.
A
C
Can
be
maybe
the
same
doing
the
same
if
the
old
commands
can
be
divided
on
sections
that
can
be
enabled
with
this
config,
for
example,
there
can
be
ipfs
section,
because
some
people
will
not
need
it.
So
like
three
or
four
like
this
sections,
and
by
default
some
of
them
OBS
most
of
them
except
this
booty
seek.
But
when
you
put
like
ipfs
equal,
no,
it
will
not.
A
D
A
Yeah,
it's
a
really
good
idea.
Well,
so,
let's,
let's
continue
to
think
about
how
we
want,
because
so
I
like
the
Simplicity
of
the
VIP
room
and
the
governance
nft
of
just
like.
Maybe
we
don't
touch
multi-sig
wallets,
that's
something
we
we
push
off
to
the
mini
Council.
That
way,
we
only
have
one
mini
multi-sig
wallet
to
worry
about
the
governance,
the
VIP
room
and
the
governance.
A
Nft
is
really
just
about
voting
and
making
official
decisions,
and
then
we
essentially
the
kind
of
the
purpose
of
the
mini
Council
they're
not
supposed
to
do
anything
on
their
own
like
like
they're.
They
only
do
stuff
when
the
VIP
group
votes
that
they
should
do
things
that
that's
sort
of
what
I
have
in
my
mind
and
then
so.
The
minting
council,
like
that's
their
job,
is
to
meet
every
three
months.
Rotate
Keys
set
the
price
of
the
the
you
know.
A
So
that's
another
thing,
so
my
at
least
initial
data
point
for
the
pay
to
write
database
is
one
cent
per
right
and
we
can
discuss
what
you
know
whether
that
is
a
good
number
or
not,
but
as
price
of
Bitcoin
cash
fluctuates
over
time.
That's
another
reason
why
the
minting
council
would
be
a
good
idea
for
them
to
meet
every
three
months.
A
It's
just
to
update
that
price
and
bring
it
back
to
whatever
the
relative
to
whatever
the
price
of
Bitcoin
cash
is
and
what
one
penny
happens
to
come
out
to
and
and
it's
an
opportunity
to
rotate
Keys.
Add
people
boot
people,
but
I'm,
not
sure
the
open
question,
in
my
mind,
is
how
do
we
select
people
for
the
minting
council,
I
mean
I
think
clearly
they
need
to
have
some
technical
competence
because
it's
probably
going
to
be
all
command
line.
A
B
A
But
the
other
reason
here
the
other
reason
for
separating
like
the
technical
expertise
from
the
general
VIP
is
like
I.
You
know
I've
talked
to
very
non-technical
people
who
are
interested.
They
have
money,
they
are
interested
in
being
a
part
of
the
psf.
They
want
to
participate
in
governance,
but
but
we
need
to
make
that,
like
that,
a
process
as
simple
as
possible
so
like
that
that
I
could
Envision.
A
You
know
airdrop,
if
you,
if
you
follow
the
video
for
the
VIP
bot,
you'll
already
have
like
a
dedicated
wallet
that
holding
your
governance
nft,
and
that
should
be
the
only
thing
it's
used
for
and
then
that
is
the
wallet
that
will
receive
the
voting
tokens
and
from
there
it's
just
a
simple
matter
of
sending
those
voting
tokens
to
another
address.
So
I
think
that's
simple
enough.
A
We
could
train
non-technical
P,
like
I,
could
have
a
video
that
shows
how
to
cast
a
voting
token
using
all
graphical
user
interface
stuff,
but
but
then
those
decisions.
You
know
that
that's
sort
of
separating
the
the
concerns
there,
you
know
now
the
minting
council
can
take
over
once
they're
directed
to
do
something
and-
and
that
would
be
slightly
more
technical
people
who
are
more
comfortable
with
the
command
line
and
and
and
thinking
through
issues
that
might
arise
with
a
multi-sig
wallet
of
which
there
are
many.
A
A
B
I
can
cancel
stuff,
well,
mental
counts
and
stuff.
We
don't
need
a
web-based
GUI,
but
we
do
need
a
way
to
to
vet
that
the
people
that
are
going
to
be
on
the
council
can
use
a
command
line
so
like
doing
something
with
the
bch
wallet
from
the
command
line
would
make
sense.
But
then
my
question
is
well:
how
do
we
verify
that
they
use
the
wallet
from
the
command
line?
Oh.
B
B
B
A
B
B
A
A
But
I
guess
what
I'm
really
trying
to
get
at
is
how
I
mean
I
guess
to
start
with
just
to
bootstrap.
This
thing
we
can,
just
you
know
anybody
who's
who
has
a
governance.
Nft
can
be
welcome
to
join.
I
also
would
love
to
do
this
in
a
way.
That's
like
Anonymous
friendly,
so
that
people
don't
have
to
you
know,
connect
their
government
government
ID
to
what
they're
doing
with
the
psf
and
it's
going
to
take
time
to
get
there,
but
so
I
think.
A
To
start
with
I
mean
we
have
enough
technical
know-how
to
at
least
create
like
a
two
of
three
wallet,
just
to
get
the
ball
rolling.
But
then,
eventually
we
got
to
figure
out
like
how
we're
gonna.
Even
let
people
join
the
minting
council.
Is
it
just?
Is
it
just
like
if
you
got
the
money
to
have
it
like,
if
you
just
have
a
governance
nft
and
you
want
to
join
you're
good
to
go
or
do
we
want
to,
and
you
can
demonstrate
technical
proficiency,
you
know.
Is
that
enough?
A
A
Or
if
or
you've
done
enough
bounties
that
you've
accumulated
a
thousand
psf
tokens
and
you
can
swap
them
out
for
a
governance
that
would
be
the
preferred
path
you
know
for
getting
on
the
governance
Council,
but
but
yeah.
So
do
we
want
to
impose
any
sort
of
additional
constraints
to
the
mini
and
that
we
don't
need
to
answer
this
question
right
now.
This
is
more
just
like
I
want
you
guys
to
think
about
this,
and
this
will
be
an
ongoing
conversation.
C
B
A
B
A
B
A
A
Is
you
you
essentially
lock
up
your
governance
token
and
and
that
token
cannot
be
used
for
governance
decisions
anymore
until
you
opt
out
of
the
mini
capital
and
yeah,
and
then
so
and
so
I'm
thinking
of
a
person
like,
let's
say
a
person
acquired
five
governance
tokens,
so
they
they
nfts,
and
so
they
they
essentially
lock
one
up.
So
they
can
be
on
the
minting
council.
They
have
the
other
four
to
engage
in
voting,
but
let's
say
they
send
them.
The
four
set
separate
accounts.
B
B
Winning
one
at
a
time,
okay,
so
if
somebody
wants
to
buy,
buy
a
certain
amount
you
could.
You
then
have
a
record
of
like
all
right
they've
they
bought
at
first,
you
have
a
record
of
like
okay,
they
got
five
nfts.
You
know
they
could
kind
of
source
that,
but
you
could
also
use
the
mutable
data
as
markers.
You
know,
and.
A
A
B
What
if
they
they
burn
the
governance?
Token
nft
and
are
are
then
airdropped
a
minting
token
nft,
because
that
would
they
would
essentially
be
vesting
it.
And
then,
when
they're
done
with
the
minting
token
NFC,
they
can
you
burn
it
or
send
it
back
and
then
get
air
dropped,
a
new
governance
token
out
of
state
to
replace
it.
We.
E
E
C
A
E
B
A
A
A
B
Well,
yeah
there's
there
is.
We
do
need
authenticity
through
anonymity
as
well,
but
I'm
thinking,
okay,
who
might
want
to
be
on
the
minting
council.
If
you
could
look
at
voting
track
record
in
a
way
like
as
the
years
go
on,
you
voted
for
this
project.
This
project
didn't
go
through
like
I,
don't
know
if
we
want
you,
you
know
like.
If
your
track
record
is
like
you
brought
these
projects.
These
projects
went
through
they're,
very
successful.
B
A
Yeah
exactly
so
if
it
was
built
out
over
time,
so
that's
a
good
yeah.
Let
me
sort
of
explain
the
very
high
level
Vision
I
have
for
the
psf,
which
is
we've
got
the
paid
right
database,
that's
starting
to
be
implemented
into
end
user
applications
like
the
decks
and
and
also
like
this
email
system.
I
want
to
expand
that
so
that
you
can
register
a
name
in
the
pay
to
write
database
and
then
then
you
can
send
these
encrypted
emails
to
a
name
rather
than
a
Bitcoin
cash
address.
You
know
little
things
like
that.
A
A
That's
our
mission,
but
we're
achieving
our
mission
through
some
of
the
software
and-
and
you
know
the
very
pragmatic
thing
to
keep
in
mind
is
like
the
cash
flow
is
everything
we
don't
have
cash
flow.
We
just
can't
afford
to
do
anything,
and
so
the
pay
to
write
databases,
I
think
our
best
engine
long-term
engine
for
generating
cash
flow,
and
so
everything's
kind
of
we
got
our
mission
and
we
got
our
cash
flow
and
those
are
like
the
two.
Just
very
you
know
that's
what
what
anchors
us?
A
A
That's
why
we
don't
need
intellectual
property,
that's
why
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
people
just
forking
the
code,
but
if
someone
manages
to
essentially,
you
know
has
a
ton
of
money:
they
just
start
buying
governance
tokens
and
getting
their
own
seats
on
the
on
the
minting
council.
They
get
to
the
point
where
they
can
propose.
You
know
someone's
going
to
have
to
oppose
them
economically
or
else
it
will.
A
D
No
there's
an
interesting
thing
about
this,
too.
Is
that
I
don't
know
if
you
you
saw
Ryan
X
Charles
is
yesterday
he
posted
something
he's
leaving
Bitcoin.
He
started
as
a
be
cashier.
It
was
an
excellent
developer.
He
was
developer
for
Reddit
and
then
he
left
and
he
posted
yesterday
that
he
decided
he's
no
longer
going
to
do
anything
and
a
lot
of
it
is
to
the
fact
that
he
felt
like
he.
This
was
the
place
to
go.
D
This
was
going
to
be
everything
and
then
it
turned
out
to
be
nothing
because
nothing
got
successful
and
I'd
hate
to
have
developers
like
you
Chris,
like
you
stallion
to
see
the
same
thing
happen
and
get
so
disgusted
that
you
just
go.
You
know
what
this
whole
thing,
I'm
done
right
and
that's
kind
of
what
he
did
except
the
last
bit
where
he
said:
Craig,
Craig,
writers,
Satoshi,
but.
A
B
D
E
A
A
The
space
I
didn't
feel
that
it
was
appropriate
to
like
leave
a
rage
quit
letter,
but
yeah
people
leave
and
they
they
get
disillusioned
and
then
they
come
back
and,
and
you
don't
change,
Bitcoin
Bitcoin
changes
you
and
and
I
mean
I
agree.
I
I
certainly
want
to
build
something.
That's
successful!
I
don't
want
to
get
to
the
point
where
I
burn
out
and
rage
quit
again
and
nor
do
I
want
to
see
anybody
else.
Do
that
so
yeah.
That's
that's
very
important.
A
The
thing
that
the
thing
that
I
think
really
throws
a
lot
of
these
people
off
every
person
who's
ever
Rage,
Quit
Bitcoin,
is
that
they're
they're
thinking
that
bitcoin's
money
and
it
behaves
like
money
and
those
statements
are
not
true,
like
anything
can
be
money.
So,
to
that
extent,
Bitcoin
is
money,
but
but
Bitcoin
is
code
and-
and
it
has
properties
of
code
like
it
can
be
forked
and
money
can't
do
that.
A
That's
that's
one
thing
that
very
definitely
makes
it
not
money
and
it
makes
it
something
new
that
we've
never
really
experienced
before,
socially
and
and
so
I
love
that
it
for
like
I
love,
every
Bitcoin,
Fork
I,
don't
necessarily
like
bsv
but
I
like
all
the
forks
of
Bitcoin
that
have
ever
existed
other
than
that
one
and
they
all
do
something
a
little
unique.
They
represent
an
idea
or
a
culture
and
I
think
they
all
have
the
right
to
exist.
A
Just
like
every
code,
Fork,
that's
ever
existed,
has
a
right
to
exist
and
if
there's
enough
people
around
willing
to
keep
the
blockchain
running,
you
can't
kill
it,
and,
and
so
I
really
Embrace.
This
notion
of
forking
I
think
it's
right,
I
think
it's
beautiful
and
it
freaks
most
people
out
if
they
are
willing
to
think
about
it
at
all,
and
so
I
I
really
feel.
Like
that's
our
strength.
That's
our
strength
is
by
embracing
this.
A
This
Fork
notion
this
nuclear
option
that,
like
hey,
if
someone
tries
to
do
a
hostile
takeover
of
this
organization
and
start
telling
people
what
to
do,
it's
not
going
to
work
because
we're
just
gonna
we're
just
gonna
create
a
fork,
and
anybody
at
any
point
in
time
is,
is
welcome
to
creative
work
and
so
I
really
think,
like
that's
that's
where
I
come
down
to
like
the
the
reason
why
people
like
Ryan,
like
I,
love,
Jeff,
garzik
and
I,
have
nothing
but
respect
for
him.
I,
just
I.
Just
remember
him.
A
E
A
You
have
to
meet
bitcoin's
expectations,
and
so
this
forking
feature
is
is
a
part
of
the
nature
of
Bitcoin
and
so
yeah
I
guess
I'm,
just
repeating
myself
now
but
I
think
that's
our
that's
our
that's
why
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
people
telling
other
people
what
to
do
and
that's
why
I'm
just
bringing
a
conversation
back
around
it?
How
do
we
choose
people
for
the
minting
council?
A
The
show
I
think
that
unless
the
cash
flow
is
there
to
support
that,
it
can't
possibly
succeed
because
the
more
people
they
piss
off
the
more
people
leave
someone's
gonna,
be
like
this
I'm
going
to
Fork
all
the
code
and
start.
You
know
psf2
and
then
enough.
People
are
like
yeah
I,
don't
like
this
guy
either
I'm
gonna
go
work
for
that
other
organization,
I
mean
that's
essentially
how
we
see
big
feel
free
to
push
back
on
me,
guys,
I'm,
throwing
ideas
out
here.
B
I
had
to
step
away
to
deal
with
my
daughters,
but
I
will
say
that
the
nuclear
option
I
think,
is
enough
that
if
somebody's
got
a
lot
of
money,
they're
not
going
to
invest
like
that,
because
that
is
if
they're
malicious,
they're
gonna
lose
their
money
and
yeah.
It
I
think
it
is
enough
of
a
deterrent
that
you
don't
really
have
to
worry
about
that,
especially
when
you're
talking
open
source
software.
You
know
this
is
something
I
get
in
and
I
know
you've
gotten
into
this.
B
B
B
There
so
yeah,
this
company
starts
up
in
Europe.
They
got
tons
of
financial
backing
they're
in
Europe
and
they're,
threatening
airbnbs
Europe
business,
but
because
Airbnb
Airbnb
had
the
stronger
Network
they
were
able
to
win
out
in
the
end,
even
though
they
had
more
Capital,
more
resources
and
more
employees
and
everything
yeah.
So
it.
A
A
B
B
A
Yeah,
okay,
well,
good!
It's
good!
It's
good
to
hear
my
words
echoed
back
because
it
tells
me
like
okay,
we're
on
the
same
page
here
and
you
know.
Hopefully
other
people
will
watch
this
recording
and
if
you
know
push
back,
if
there's
a
good
good,
you
know
argument,
but
yeah
I
mean
that's.
That's
that's
kind
of
what
makes
me
think
like
okay.
Well,
maybe
we
don't
need
to
like
nail
this
perfectly
right
out
of
the
gate.
You
know,
there's
there's
room
for
evolution
and
if
we
completely
screw
it
up,
you
know
there's
the
nuclear
option.
B
Yeah
I
I'm
always
a
fan
of
like
try
to
plan
it
out,
start
running,
and
then
you
know
you're
gonna
figure
things
out
when
along
the
way,
and
if
you,
if
we
try
to
figure
it
everything
out
from
the
get-go,
we're
never
going
to
start,
you
know
We're,
not
gonna,
we're,
never
gonna
take
off.
So
at
some
point
you
just
gotta
run.
We.
A
C
A
A
Big
that's
I
mean
this
is
why
I
like
this,
this
little
window
I
have
between
wrapping
up
the
GNC
and
starting
this
other
project
that
I
got
the
the
the
grant
for
like
I.
Have
this
like
this
month
of
work
on
governance?
Tooling?
So
that's
why
I
really
wanted
to
get
the
governance
nft
out,
get
the
VIP
bot
working
and
start
working
on
the
multi-sig
wallet
and
the
ability
to
airdrop
tokens
and
do
votes
well.
D
I
feel
like
standing
up
on
stage
like
Steve
Ballmer
did
and
saying
developers
developers
developers
we
need
developers.
We
need
just
like
your
discussion
at
St
Kitts
was
you
need
to
get
Holly
hobbyist
developers
that
want
to
build
and
use
our
tools
or
the
governance
won't
matter
at
all.
We
have
to
keep
building
stuff
that
people
want
to
use,
because
it's
the
developers
they're
going
to
be
build
cool.
It's
not
going
to
be
like
right.
Now
is
a
few
of
us
doing
it,
and
so
like
it's
really.
D
A
And
you
know
I'm
glad
you
said
that
Aaron,
because
you
know
most
of
the
time
I'm
just
like
well
I'll
just
build
it.
You
know
because
I
can
I
have
the
ability
and
like
whatever,
like
I,
don't
need
to
have
discussion
about
this.
But
you
know
there's
only
one
of
me
and
I've
been
laboring
for
years
and
you.
B
B
C
E
C
A
Yeah
good
story-
and
this
is
this-
will
be
a
good
resource
to
check.
This
reminds
me
of
like
get
coin
and
yeah.
There's,
there's
a
lot
of,
and
also
I'm
working,
a
lot
with
radical
right
now,
and
they
have
a
program
called
drips,
and
the
idea
is
that,
like,
as
you
use
software
by
the
created
by
open
source
developers,
there's
a
there's
like
a
monetary
feedback
mechanism.
A
B
Another
idea
you
know
that
could
be
used
is
there
are
people
that
come
to
the
psf
they're
looking
for
projects
to
be
developed?
Well,
why
not
direct
them
to
the
nft
generator
page
and
have
them
fill
out?
What
their
project
is?
What
they're
looking
for
as
a
piece
of
the
mutable
data
that
can
be
posted
to
the
decks
and
then
that
could
be
another
way
for
developers
to
go
and
look
for
projects
they
want
to
develop.
A
It
just
explains
like
what
is
the
idea?
What's
the
problem,
it
solves,
how
does
it
make
money?
What's
the
happy
path
like?
How
does
a
user
go
from?
You
know
start
to
finish:
I
I
in
an
ideal
scenario,
and
and
then
you
take
that
and
you
create
a
specification
document
and
that's
low-level
technical.
That
eventually,
like
is
used
to
spin
out
tasks
for
for
developers
or
bounties
or
quests,
and
to
use
the
nomenclature
of
this
other
thing,
and
so
there
that
I'm
finding
that
to
be
a
critical
thing.
A
But
but
if
we
had
a
bigger
network
of
developers,
then
it
would
be
more
practical
for,
for
you
know,
we
could
have
a
Salesman
who
just
goes
and
gets
leads
and
then
hands
the
lead
off
to
a
project
manager
who
goes
through.
That
use
case
document
specification
exercise
with
them.
That
gets
it
to
the
point
where
they
can
generate
bounties
and
then,
if.
E
B
Mean
there
is
a
cold
start
problem
there
again
right
and
how
do
you
solve
this
nft
posting
of
a
job?
And
then
you,
you
have
a
place
where
developers
can
go
we're
hands
off,
let
them
let
them
sort
it
out.
You
know
let
them
work
on
it
and
then,
as
the
network
grows,
then
you
come
in
and
say:
hey
here's
a
good
way.
You
developers,
you
want
to
be
more
successful.
Here's
the
way
that
I
do
things.
B
You
know
we
do
the
high
level
we
do
the
specifications
we
spin
off,
bounties
and
stuff
like
that,
but
at
first
just
let
them
come
in
use
the
decks.
You
know
Buy
sell
time,
Buy
sell
projects
boom
posted
you
know
and
let
them
let
them
handle
it
themselves.
All
the
decks
is
there
is
to
be
to
facilitate
and
it's
you
know
not
non-custodial,
and
it's
it's
peer-to-peer.
So
you
know
hands
off
it's
just
here's
a
tool
where
you
you
got
a
project.
B
You
got
an
idea,
you
could
post
it
and
in
fact
you
know
Zen,
who
you
know
has
in
a
a
project
he's
working
on
to
you
utilize
AI,
to
help
people
come
up
with
their
business
plan,
their
pitch
and
everything
like
that
and
Reuben
who
he's
working
with
is
trying
to
create
that
time.
Job
market
well
I
think
the
decks
would
be
a
great
place
to
say
all
right.
You've
gone
over
to
Zen's
place,
you've
created
a
business
plan,
everything
like
that
and
then
you
go
to
the
decks
post
it
up.
B
B
Yeah
and-
and
the
thing
is
it'll-
probably
emerge
better
than
we
can
do
it
right
if,
if
we
sit
out
and
we're
like
we're
going
to
create
this
way
that
we
do
things
and
here's
how
you
got
to
do
it,
here's
how
you're
gonna
love
something
developers
may
not
work
that
way,
and
you
know
if
they
don't
it's
fine,
it's
totally
fine.
They
may
have
a
better
way
of
working
and
yeah.
We
may
not
know
about
it,
they
may
come
in
and
they
may
take
a
job
like
that.
B
Somebody
that
comes
to
the
psf
and
they're
like
I
need
X,
Y
and
Z.
This
developer
comes
to
the
to
the
decks
I'll.
Take
that
job.
They
do
a
fabulous
job.
You
know
that's
great
and
then
yeah
we
We're
Off
to
the
Races
and
people
more
developers
are
coming,
more
people
are
coming
and
if
the
decks
is
like,
we
already
have
the
nft
generator.
You
know
it's
a
very
similar
concept
and
then
you
know
Zen
is
standing
up
his
thing,
which
is
utilizing
open,
AI
to
help
create
business
plans
and
stuff
for
people.
B
A
B
A
B
I
I
think
and
I'm
going
to
reach
out
to
some
people.
I
know
because
they're
working
on
projects,
I
really
feel
would
go
hand
in
hand,
Reuben
who's,
really
working
on
the
time
Marketplace.
Well
again,
if
you're
an
entrepreneur,
you
could
literally
go
through
the
steps.
Create
your
business
plan
create
your
nft,
but
then
you
could
also
look
at
the
market,
the
decks
and
be
like.
Oh,
you
know
so,
and
so
has
a
hundred
hours
for
sale,
tokenized,
I'm
gonna
buy
them,
you
know,
and
then
you
go
and
buy
them.
B
B
B
Can
you
buy
back
those
tokens
like
you're
buying
back
your
time
like
vacation
stuff,
like
that,
so
he's
got
some
good
protocols
there
and
I
haven't
been
able
to
he's
developing
developing
a
polygon
and
I've
been
like
whispering
to
him.
You
need
to
go
over
to
bch.
It's
way
easier
way
cheaper.
You
know
and
if
you
were
using
the
decks,
it'd
be
super
fast
and
really
cheap,
but
you
put
these
pieces
together
and
you
let
them
run
and
then,
like,
like
I,
said
you
kind
of
assemble
the
airplane
as
we're
taking
off.
A
C
Show
yeah
I
want
it,
but
it
will
become
maybe
too
long
discussion.
Maybe
we
can
leave
it
for
the
next
one.
Maybe
I
was
going
to
to
propose
that
we
we
do
like
a
name
service
with
these
nfts.
If
you
remember,
I've
done
this
on
some
hackatron,
but
it
was
more
like
a
prototype,
but
now
we
because
the
main
problem
was
implementing
this
in
wallets
and
we
didn't
control
any
of
the
wallets,
so
it
was
not
meaningful,
but
now
we
have
good
wallets
and
the
name
service.
C
A
C
A
C
C
Yeah,
so
this
was
the
idea,
but
that
time
it
was
just
like
common
line
like
just
for
fun,
but
now
it's
with
this
component,
it's
everything
it
will
be
just
on
the
UI
side.
Just
one
button
result,
so
you
put
some
name
like
Chris,
Dot,
psf
and
in
your
settings.
You
just
need
to
put
that
psf
extension
search
this
group
token,
so
you
put
the
the
token
address
there
and
it
will
resolve
the
the
names
to
to
addresses
yeah.
A
A
C
A
B
Yeah
I
think
that
would
be
awesome
and
it's
another
use
case
where
I
think
adoption
of
this
technology,
especially
what
the
psf
has
created,
is
about
functionality
and
use
case,
and
it
just
happens
to
use
blockchain
to
do
that.
But
you
know
there's
a
there's
protocols
out
there
that
go
out
and
there's
shout
or
blockchain
we're
blockchain
we're
blockchain,
you
know
come
invest
in
us
because
we're
blockchain-
and
this
is
very
much
like
here-
are
permissionless
protocols
that
happen
to
use
blockchain
and
ipfs
on
the
back
end
yeah
and
that
that's
the
difference.
B
I'm
I
imagine
the
day
that
somebody
goes
and
uses
the
decks
and
they
don't
even
they
may
not
even
know
it's
blockchain,
you
know
or
when
we're
talking
about
the
wallet
plug-ins.
You
know
and
like
story
and
I
have
been
talking
about
like
the
nft
generator.
Well,
somebody
the
goal
is
for
somebody
to
go
to
a
page
like
that
and
not
even
realize
it's
a
blockchain
nft.
You
know
yeah.
B
A
Yeah
exactly
well
stoyan,
so
let's
take
that
conversation
to
the
psf
Channel
I
want
to
keep
talking
about
it.
One
thing
that
I-
and
this
is
what
we
can
talk
about
offline-
is,
if
you're
going
to
need
an
indexer
for
something
like
this,
because
I've
been
wanting
to
to
Fork
the
psf
SLP
indexer
for
the
simple
store
protocol
and
I
think
that
would
operate
very
similar
to
your
naming
system,
where
the
the
easiest
way
to
just
track.
D
Right
now,
I
think
those
are
fantastic
mechanisms
to
move
forward
with
new
functionality
that
doesn't
really
exist
in
the
world,
and
you
know
so
the
encrypted
messaging
that
that
doesn't
rely
on
a
centralized
system
and
then
a
simple
store
protocol,
which
is
the
killer,
killer
application.
For
so
many
things.
B
A
Thank
you
for
making
the
time
and
participating
I'm
gonna
put
this
recording
on
YouTube
as
soon
as
we're
done
here
and
yeah
cover
some
good
stuff
really
appreciate
your
guys's
feedback
on
the
on
the
governance.
I'm
excited
to
take
the
next
few
steps
in
terms
of
governance
for
this
organization
to
see
it
grow.
You
know
beyond
me
and
and
Beyond
us
sounds.