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From YouTube: PSF TC Meeting 10.27.21
Description
Technical Steering Committee Meeting for Oct 27, 2021
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A
B
C
Nice
hi,
I'm
aaron,
sundman
and
I've
been
a
big
fan
of
the
information,
the
software
foundation
since
its
founding
and
decided.
I
really
wanted
to
like
start
helping
this
happen.
C
One
of
the
reasons
why
permissionless
software
is
important
if
we
see
what's
happening
in
china
and
things
that
are
blocking
or
not
allowing
any
kind
of
blockchain
transaction
to
happen
and
so
making
it
so
that
freedom
gets
spread
out
further
technically
is
important
because
it's
not
just
going
to
happen
unless
someone
makes
it
happen
so
glad
to
be
here
and
help
with
that.
A
Yeah,
let's
circle
back
around
to
the
sort
of
political
atmosphere
topic
during
the
roundtable,
so
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
share
my
screen.
Oh
they're,
saying
they're,
not
hearing
you
aaron
shoemaker
on
youtube.
A
A
D
D
D
A
Sorry
for
the
way
there,
okay,
so
as
usual,
we
file
our
agendas
as
a
github
issue
on
github
under
the
permissionless
software
foundation,
github
group,
under
the
tsc
repository
for
technical
steering
committee,
and
we
file
them
as
issues.
A
So
anyone
can
can
add
agenda
items
by
if
you
scroll
down
to
the
bottom,
you
can
add
a
comment
or
if
it
hasn't
been
created,
you
can
create
a
new
issue.
So
what
we'll
do
these?
These
meetings
are?
Are
a
chance
for
us
to
to
basically
celebrate
our
technical
achievements
over
the
last
two
weeks
in
between
meetings
and
once
we
get
through
the
agenda,
we'll
open
it
up
to
a
round
table
where
we
can
basically
discuss
anything.
We
want
so,
let's
go
through
this.
A
D
B
D
A
Thanks
guys
yeah,
so
someone
an
anonymous
donor
paid
for
me
to
do
a
review
of
the
slp
token
infrastructure
and
sort
of
its
state
and
come
up
with
recommendations
on
how
we
improve
the
infrastructure,
and
so
it's
available
here
as
a
gist
under
my
my
account,
there's
also
links
in
the
telegram
channel
if
anyone
wants
to
check
it
out.
A
But
the
conclusion
of
that
report
was
that
there's
some
short
and
let's
scroll
down
the
bottom
short
term,
solutions
for
for
sort
of
moving
away
from
slpdb,
which
is
getting
increasing,
which
is
the
sort
of
gold
standard
for
indexing
in
the
industry
and
it's
every
day
getting
harder
and
harder
to
operate
short
term.
There
is
a
be
cash
full
node
maintained
by
vin
armani
that
does
slp
indexing
and
there's
also
the
bchd
full
node,
which
does
slp
indexing.
So
in
the
short
term,
these
are.
A
These
are
good
alternatives,
but
in
the
long
term
a
new,
a
new
indexer
really
needs
to
be
developed,
and
so
we
spent
the
last
couple
weeks
adding
trying
to
integrate
those
two
full
nodes
into
the
bch
api
rest
api.
We
made
some
progress
with
be
cache.
Daniel
created
an
interface
for
bch
api,
so
we
can
get
utxos
and
hydrate
them
with
slp
token
information.
A
So
that's
it's
the
information
that
wallets
need
in
order
to
operate,
but
it
it
it's
not
as
good
as
slpdb
and
that
be
cash
doesn't
really
maintain
token
stats,
like
the
number
of
tokens
in
circulation
or
the
number
of
tokens
burned.
Those
that
type
of
metadata
is
not
available
through
be
cash,
and
so
you
know
so
it's
not
a
perfect
solution,
but
but
basic
wallet
functionality
is
possible
using
be
cash,
replace
slvdb.
So
we've
made
some
good
progress
on
that.
The
next
step
there
is
to
add
a
class
library
to
the
bchjs
javascript
library.
A
So
that's
good.
That's
good
progress
gary
in
parallel
was
trying
to
build
a
similar
interface
for
bchd.
They
have
this
http
proxy
built
into
bchd.
That
would
let
bch
api
interface
with
it.
But
but
we
got
stuck
on
this.
A
The
certificate,
the
cert,
the
ssl
certification,
they're,
injecting
it
into
it
in
a
way
that
we
couldn't
figure
out
and
we
reached
out
on
the
telegram
channel
for
bchd
and
we
hit
a
wall.
We
just
couldn't
get
any
help
or
guidance,
so
we
are
currently
blocked
on
this
bchd
integration.
So
if
anybody
any
of
the
bchd
developers
or
anybody
who
knows
a
bchd
developer
who's
watching
this
and
can
reach
out
to
them,
we
would
re.
We
really
need
some
help
like
we
can't.
A
We
really
can't
move
forward
with
this
integration
unless
we
get
some
guidance
on
how
to
resolve
these
certificates.
Ssl
cert
issues
with
vchd,
but
we
would
very
much
like
to
integrate
that
into
bch,
api
and
bchjs.
A
And
since
I'm
on
the
topic
of
this
slp
indexer
I'll
scroll
down
to
this
last
item
in
the
miscellaneous
part
of
the
agenda,
we
will
soon
be
launching
a
flip
starter
campaign
to
re
we're
going
to
try
and
raise
29
bch
or
approximately
16
000,
to
develop
a
new
indexer
to
replace
slpdb.
I've
actually
got
the
prototype
built,
and
I
I
linked
to
it
in
that
report
and
the
initial
you
know,
prototype
I've
built
is
looks
very
promising.
A
It's
it's
very
fast
and
it's
very
much
smaller
than
slp
db,
and
it
can
achieve
all
the
same
outputs
that
we
want
to
achieve.
So
it's
a
pretty
small
flip
starter.
This
is
just
for
the
initial
development
and
then
we'll
have
a
secondary
flip
starter
for
ongoing
maintenance,
but-
and
it's
not
launched
yet
I'm
just
kind
of
giving
everybody
a
heads
up,
but
yeah
we're
hoping
to
raise
a
little
bit
of
money
to
build
a
new
indexer
to
replace
the
slp
dpp.
D
So
when
you're
talking,
the
new
indexer
is
that
something
we'll
be
able
to
clone
or
replicate
ourselves
and.
A
So
this
is
the
cash
stack,
and
this
is
how
you
essentially
build
a
phone
app
or
a
web
app
to
talk
to
the
blockchain.
The
very
base
layer
is
the
full
node.
You
can't
really
get
around
running
a
phone
node.
You
have
to
run
a
full
node
and
then
you
have
to
run
two
in
a
minimum
of
two
indexers.
One
is
electrum
x,
which
does
addresses
and
utxo
indexing,
and
that's
very
small
and
fast.
And
then
you
also
need
an
slp
token.
A
Indexer
and
slpdb
currently
requires
32
megabytes
of
memory
at
a
minimum
and
and
even
then
it
struggles
and
and
if,
if
we
could
but
and
it's
it's
a
stark
contrast
to
the
full
node
in
electrum
x,
which
can
comfortably
run
with
four
four
gigabytes
of
memory.
A
A
And,
and
so
if
we
can
solve
this
problem
of
bringing
the
memory
requirements
of
a
slp
indexer
down,
then
it
makes
the
infrastructure
much
more
robust
and
and
and
just
just
easier
for
everyone
in
the
space.
A
And
so
that's
that's.
What
I'd
like
to
achieve
I'd
like
to
find
a
drop-in
replacement
for
slpdb
that
you
know
has
probably
less
than
four
gigabytes
of
memory
requirement
and
the
hard
drive
requirements.
Aren't
that
aren't
that
big
and
in
this
report
I
kind
of
go
into
this
in
more
detail.
D
That
would
be
great,
but
if
you
know
because
32
gigs
of
ram
is
a
high
barrier
for
people,
just
if
they're
not
dedicated,
you
know
just
throwing
something
up
like
that,
and
you
know
I
was
in
a
talk
on
sunday
with
stoian
and
you
know.
I
really
think
that
the
ability
to
add
these
slp
databases
locally
within
your
own
ecosystem
is
going
to
help
those
ecosystems
run
in
the
long
term,
should
slp
become
a
valid
means
of
transaction
and
currency
or
value
trading.
D
You
know,
we've
we've
talked
a
lot
about
like
making
a
raw
milk
coin,
or
you
know
tokenizing
your
corn
or
farmer's
markets
and
stuff
like
that,
and
I
really
want
to
have
a
database
where
I'm
at
locally.
You
know
so,
if
stuff
shuts
down
you
know
somewhere
else,
we
can
still
run
and
maintain
things.
And
then,
when
it
comes
back
up,
we
can
rectify
that
with
the
rest
of
the
the
ecosystem.
A
Yeah
yeah,
I
mean,
while
we're
on
the
topic.
I
was
in
a
twitter
space,
that's
what
they
call
them
with
george
donnelly
last
week,
and
we
kind
of
got
into
this
whole
like
what
what
is
bitcoin
cash's
value
proposition.
How
does
it
set
itself,
apart
from
every
other
cryptocurrency
out
there,
and
my
response
to
that
was
self-sufficiency
that
that
you
know
leaving
slpdb
to
the
side.
Electromax
in
our
full
node
are
incredibly
reliable.
You
get
them
running
and
you
can
just
ignore
them
for
months
they
just
take
care.
A
And
if
we
could
get
an
slp
indexer
to
that
same
level
of
reliability,
that
would
really
make
bitcoin
cash
distinct
from
other
cryptocurrencies,
because
most
cryptocurrencies
are
their
full.
Nodes,
are
unreliable
to
operate.
D
A
Mean
if
you
talk
to
any
exchange,
that's
what
they'll
tell
you.
C
A
Appreciate
it,
thank
you,
okay!
Well,
moving
on
so
to
the
jason
rpc
over
ipfs
and
peter
wright
database,
we're
we're
making
some
pretty
good
progress
on
this
front
as
well.
I
am
hoping
to
sit
down
and
make
some
more
videos
showing
people
how
to
set
up
more
infrastructure
on
this,
but
the
the
main
sort
of
accomplishment
we've
had
since
our
last
meeting
is
that
the
ipfs
cord
library,
which
is
like
the
foundational
javascript
library
to
this
this
whole
scheme
now
is
much
faster
on
startup.
A
A
We
are
integrating
this
library
into
a
project
called
railgun.
Railgun
dao
has
hired
me
to
do
some
of
this
integration
and
they're
going
to
be
using
this
json
rpc
over
ipfs2.
A
It's
it's
a
privacy
enhancing
protocol,
so
it
allows
you
to
send
ethereum
transactions
anonymously
and,
and
so
there's
a
communication
that
has
to
happen
between
the
end
user's
wallet
and
what's
known
as
a
relayer
that
does
the
actual
broadcast
so
that
so
that
the
end
user
can
be
anonymized
and-
and
so
this
they're
they're
they're
paying
for
a
lot
of
the
development
of
this
right
now.
A
So
a
big
big
thanks
to
railgun
dow,
and
I
recommend
people
check
them
out,
pretty
interesting
technology
awesome
and
then
another
really
big
piece
of
the
news
is
ava.
Labs
has
awarded
the
permission,
the
software
foundation
a
grant
to
develop
a
decentralized
exchange
on
the
x
chain.
A
This
is
going
to
be
based
on
vin,
armani's,
swap
protocol,
and
I'm
hoping
that
if
we
can
raise,
I
I
I
also
want
to
in
parallel
develop
the
same
decks
on
bitcoin
cash,
but
that
also
is
dependent
on
us
getting
our
slp
indexer
built
and
and
getting
basically
getting
our
the
slp
infrastructure
under
control.
A
But
regardless
of
whether
that
happens
or
not,
we
are
pushing
forward
with
the
token
decks
on
the
x
chain
exchange.
I've
been
building
a
trading
app
it.
It's
essentially
right
now
looks
there's
a
link
here.
If
anybody
wants
to
check
it
out,
it
operates
as
like
a
rest
api.
A
There
will
be
a
web
interface
for
it
at
some
point,
but
right
now
it's
just
going
to
interact
with
the
psf
offix
wallet,
clock,
wallet
and,
and
then
this
rest
api,
and
that
this
rest
api
will
essentially
has
its
own
database
and
it'll
it'll
monitor
the
network
for
new
orders
that
people
put
out
on
the
network
and
so
you'll
it'll,
basically
be
the
aggregator
for
all
the
the
open
orders
on
the
network
and
it'll
be
it'll,
allow
the
client
wallet
to
make
and
take
orders
for
for
tokens
and
it'll,
allow
for
trustless
atomic
trading
of
avalanche
and
avalanche
tokens
and
on
the
bitcoin
cash
side.
A
Bitcoin
cash
and
slp
tokens
and
gary
has
been
doing
some
amazing
work.
There
he's
he's
yeah
he's
he's
creating
the
actual
avalanche
side
of
the
the
make
and
take
offers
the
actual
like
low-level
stuff
and
then
I'll
be
integrating
that
into
this
rest.
A
Api
and
then
daniel
will
be
building
a
web
interface
for
that
and
it
won't
necessarily
there
will
be
a
website,
but
the
big
thing
about
this
code
is
you'll,
be
able
to
run
everything
on
your
own
computer
in
the
comfort
of
your
own
home,
and
you
can
trade
anonymously
and
permissionlessly
trustlessly
and
atomically
all
from
your
own
computer,
and
so
I'm
pretty
excited
about
that.
I
think
that's
going
to
be
a
very
valuable
feature.
I
mean,
and
it's
it's
different
from
the
decentralized
exchanges
on
ethereum
in
that
there
this
whole
this
whole
swap
protocol.
A
That
then
created
it
doesn't
require
liquidity
providers
you're
just
putting
up
you
know,
offers
and
you're
taking
offers
and
that
whole
liquidity
provider
scheme
that
has
become
the
norm
for
decentralized
exchanges
on
ethereum
is
just
not
necessary.
D
So
what
you're
saying
is
when
this
is
done,
we
will
be
able
to
swap
tokens
atomically
from
the
comfort
of
our
home
and
completely
anonymously
from.
A
Yeah,
so
pretty
excited
about
that
and
it
what's
great
about
this
too,
is
it's
going
to
provide
a
steady
monthly
income
into
the
psf
which
will
go
to
purchase
psf
tokens,
which
will
then
go
to
pay
daniel
and
gary,
and
so
I'm
I'm
anticipating
a
steady
rise
in
the
price
of
psf
tokens
from
this.
So
I'm
very
excited
about
that
as
well.
A
Final
thing
on
the
agenda
is
multi-signature
minting.
This
is
this
is
a
really
important
thing
for
us
as
a
dow
which
what
we
hope
to
become
it's
arguable.
If
that's
what
we
are
yet,
but
in
order
it's
critical
that
we
have
a
multi-signature
way
of
minting
your
tokens,
so
that
no
one
person
is
a
central
point
of
contact,
and
so
this
is
something
that's
been
keeping
me
awake
at
night
for
the
last
last
year.
A
Thinking
about
it's
a
hard
problem,
it
is
technically
theoretically
possible
to
do
this
with
slp
tokens.
It's
just
that
no
one's
done
it.
No
one's
developed
the
code
for
it.
We
have
an
outstanding
bounty
of
a
thousand
psf
tokens
and
there
is
code
to
follow
it's
it's
something
that
I
could
probably
do.
A
If
I
had
a
couple
weeks
just
to
sit
down
and
think
about
it,
I
mean
I'm
thinking
about
increasing
this,
this
bounty,
but
I
actually
have
a
specification
and
I'd
love
feedback
on
this
to
do
multi-signature
minting
at
a
higher
level
in
a
blockchain
agnostic
level,
using
smear's
secret
sharing
protocol
and
what's
cool
about
this
and
anybody
who's
interested.
A
They
can
check
out
this
link
to
the
specification,
but
it's
blockchain
agnostic,
so
it
doesn't
matter
if
you're,
using
ethereum
or
avalanche
or
bitcoin
cash
or
whatever
the
the
whole
multi-signature
part
is
happening
at
the
application
level
and-
and
so
that's
an
interesting
idea
right
now,
it's
just
like
a
theory.
I
haven't
actually
coded
it
up,
but
but
I've
done
go
ahead.
B
B
A
Other
thing
and
then
then
I'll,
let
you
let
you
take
it
gary-
did
manage
to
figure
out
how
to
do
multi-signature
minting
on
the
avalanche
exchange.
So
that's
that's
another
option.
With
the
bridge
we've
developed,
we
can
move
tokens
between
the
bitcoin
cash
and
avalanche
x
chains,
so
we
could
just
move
over
to
the
avalanche
x
chain
and
use
that
to
mint
our
token.
So
that's
one
other
option,
but
it's
doing
let's
I'm
gonna
go
ahead
and
stop
sharing
go
ahead
and
yeah.
B
No,
no,
no,
it
will
be
very
short.
This
blowing
mind
is
later
segment.
This
one
is
on
on
this
topic.
I
just
started
now
so
it's
this
multiseek
meeting
and
I
have
the
creating
wallet
from
the
bounty.
B
So
it's
nothing
new
here,
just
the
creating
many
wallets
was
the
differences,
and
I
started
studying
this
sop
gs
code
to
replace
the
the
transaction
building
here
with
some
redeem
script
for
the
multi
signatures
and
like
accumulating
signature
stuff
like
this
on
yeah,
that's
great.
B
A
Yeah
yeah
yeah,
thank
you,
and
if
you
do
this,
I
mean
I've.
I've
already
been
thinking
about
raising
the
bounty,
so
I
I'm
just
going
to
say
it
right
now:
I'm
going
to
raise
that
bounty
up
to
1500
so
go
ahead
and
psf
token.
So
go
ahead
and
do
your
best
with
this
and
we'll
see
where
it
goes
and
but
yeah
I
would
love
to
not
just
for
our
purposes
but
for
the
entire
slp
ecosystem
like
this
is
an
important
thing
that
we
need.
A
All
right
well,
that
concludes
the
the
agenda.
Let's
move
into
the
round
table
aaron
shoemaker.
I
know
you
had
some
stuff.
You
wanted
to
show
us.
D
Yeah
yeah
in
the
metaverse.
Let
me
get
my
headset
up
and
going
and
connected
to
my
computer.
Give
me
once.
C
Aaron
you
mentioned
that
facebook's
sort
of
changing
their
name
while
you're
getting
ready
to
to
this
idea
of
the
metaverse.
Do
you
know
that
it's
actually
named
the
metaverse?
Have
they
officially
said.
D
C
D
D
D
Don't
know
where
I
heard
it,
it
was
like
a
news
segment
or
something.
So
let
me
go
ahead
and
share
my
screen
here
and.
C
Did
you
guys
read
snow
crash
where
that
first
was
mentioned?
It's
a
it's
a
great
book
if
you
haven't
a
little
slow
in
the
beginning,
but
it's
one
of
the
big
books
about
like
this
idea
of
metaverse
and
how
it
is
like
one
of
the
first
ones
that
actually
concocted
it.
So
snow
crash
is
a
great
book.
If
you,
if
you
get
a
chance
to
read
that,
go
ahead.
D
Sorry
go
ahead
right.
Let
me
go
to
screen
share.
D
Transition
to
that
does
it's
doing
the
wrong
window
hold
on
yeah.
Let
me
adjust
this
window.
D
A
D
A
Well,
yeah
go
ahead
and
keep
working
on
that
aaron
and,
while
you're
working
on
that,
let's
I
I
did
want
to
just
sort
of,
I
thought
we
should
sort
of
mention
the
political
atmosphere
right
now.
There's
just
last
night,
I
heard
I
there's
like
no
specifics
but
nlw
on
his
podcast.
The
breakdown
talked
about
that.
Apparently
the
sec
is
going
to
start
regulating
stable
coins.
A
It's
not
really
conjecture
anymore,
they're,
they're,
the
the
treasury
and
the
sec
are
working
together
to
apparently
work
with
congress
to
do
whatever
sort
of
legal
changes
need
to
be
possible
to
bring
stable
coins
under
the
jurisdiction
of
the
sec.
So
I
thought
that
was
an
important
and
scary.
C
Thing
absolutely,
I
also
there's
another
thor
chain
dot.
Bull
on
on
reddit
has
a
really
interesting
thread
on
what's
going
on
with
fafsa,
not
not
fafsa,
with
the
fatf
and
what's
coming
up
with
supposedly
this
month
at
some
point,
they're
going
to
be
looking
at
using
to
roll
it
out
so
I'll
share
that
a
little
bit
too.
But
I
think
there
is
some
scary
stuff
and
I
think
that
permissionless
software
foundation
idea
is
going
to
be
more
and
more
important.
A
A
Yeah
yeah,
it's
a
it's
a
it's
a
scary
world
and
I
think
that
it's
really
this
is
this
is
why
I
I
I'm
going
to
be
emphasizing
the
self-sufficiency
aspect
of
bitcoin
cash.
I
mean
this
is
what
the
original
bitcoin
protocol
this.
This
is
the
type
of
atmosphere
that
the
original
bitcoin
protocol
was
designed
for
right.
B
A
An
extremely
adversarial
environment,
and-
and
so
I
think
the
future
is
really
going
to
test
the
actual
decentralization
of
a
lot
of
these
projects.
C
Absolutely
so,
what's
other
also
important,
and
I
I
about
the
bch
as
opposed
to
ethereum-
is
I
don't
know
how
many
of
you
have
a
bunch
of
tokens
on
ethereum,
but
they
are
all
literally
on
the
same
address.
C
You
know
I
mean
it
is
not
a
privacy
focused
thing,
it
is
absolutely
centralized
and
one
address
now.
I
know
that
there's
different
ways
to
do
it,
but
if
you
run
a
meta
mask,
you
only
have
one
address.
Unless
you
know
metamask
had
it
possible
to
create
more,
but
if
you're
trying
to
run
through
privacy
actually
any
kind
of
privacy,
it
doesn't
really
work
that
well,
at
least
in
the
current
implementation
of
way,
the
evm
blockchains
are
going
mm-hmm.
A
Yeah
yeah
privacy
is
important.
The
btc
and
eth
blockchains
provide
zero
privacy
very
extremely
easy
to
track.
Anyone
can
do
it,
you
know
for
for
the
bitcoin
cash
side,
we
have
cash
fusion,
which
is
the
most
popular
financial
obfuscation
technology.
A
I've
actually
been
talking
to
a
developer,
very
brilliant
college
student
who
has
built
a
a
coin,
join
a
working
coin,
join
implementation
for
the
avalanche
x
chain,
and
they
he
may
actually
be
passing
his
code
on
to
us
to
publish
under
the
psf
name.
I'm
I'm
trying
to
iron
the
details
out
for
that
right
now.
Obviously,
because
it's
financial
obfuscation,
it's
a
sensitive
topic,
and
you
know
so
so
this
will
probably
be
published
anonymously
under
the
psf.
You
know
repos
and
I
haven't
I've.
A
Just
looked
at
the
code,
I
haven't
actually
run
it
yet,
so
I'm
excited
to
actually
run
it
and
play
with
it,
and
gary
has
been
doing
some
excellent
work
on
that
front,
as
well
being
able,
as
part
of
this
multi-signature
work,
that
he's
been
doing
being
able
to
do
collaborative
transactions,
which
is
what
a
coin
joint
transaction
is
right.
So
I'm
hoping
to
you
know,
that's
another.
A
That's
another
protocol
specification
we
have
in
in
our
specification
repository
is
a
protocol
for
coin,
join
on
bitcoin
cash,
so
yeah,
yeah,
financial
and,
and
that
would
work
for
both
tokens
and
bitcoin
cash.
That's
that's
where,
like
cash,
fusion
works
great
for
bitcoin
cash,
but
we
currently
don't
have
any
financial
obfuscation
technology
for
tokens
right
and
I
think
avalanche
is
in
the
same
predicament
both
on
their
c
chain
and
on
the
x
chain.
But
this
coin
join.
D
All
right,
I
finally
got
the
tech
headaches
ironed
out
here,
so
I'm
going
to
share
this
and
I'm
going
to
transition
over.
So
what
I'm
I've
been
talking
about
for
a
while,
how
things
are
going
to
be
going
to
this
metaverse
and
I
wanted
to
show
that
they're
already
building
it,
and
this.
D
D
It's
all
about
violence
just
kidding.
Well,
you
can
build
whatever
you
want
actually
and
that's
the
really
cool
thing
and
you
can
even
they
have
it
set
up.
So
if
I
go
ahead
and
I
want
to
visit
places,
I
can
go
and
visit
popular
places
here.
Let's
go.
A
The
thing
that's
held
me
back
from
from
buying
one
of
these
is
that
the
only
the
only
app
that
I
really
spent
time
working
on
working
with
or
enjoying
was
was
google
earth.
These
things
are
amazing,
because
you
can.
You
can
immediately
fly
to
any
town
city
in
the
world
and
and
get
the
street
view
and
walk
around
and.
C
D
So
now
I'm
holding
this
unicorn
here
a
little
plushy
nice
and
you
can
come
over
here
and
any
of
these
objects.
You
can
interact
with
here's
a
bow.
I
can
interact
shoot
targets,
not
the
best
shot.
D
So
what
app
is
this
on
the
quest?
So
this
is
a
if
you
connect
your
quest
to
the
air
link,
you
can
it's
actually
just
called
home
so
I'll,
we'll
return
it
back
to
the
main
menu
here.
C
A
A
D
D
D
So
I
think
we're
gonna
see
in
the
next
10
years
the
average
person
is
going
to
be
making
3d
objects
for
themselves
that
they
can
upload
and
sell
in
these
worlds,
and
that's
where
I
see
this
big
integration
with
nft's
slp
database
and
even
creating
the
homes
that
are
in
these
worlds.
You
know
right
now
that
home's
limited
to
like
a
thousand
square
feet
virtual,
but
you
know
eventually
there'll
be
no
limit,
so
I
want
to
show
that.
A
Today,
just
as
a
baby
step
down
that
road,
thank
you
aaron.
I
mean,
I
think
that
helps
I've
seen
that
before,
but
I'm
sure
there's
a
lot
of
people
who
haven't,
who
haven't
actually
interacted
with
a
quest
and
seen
that
that
home
area,
where
you
start
out,
and
so
I'm
actually
commissioning
a
piece
of
artwork
and
as
part
of
the
commission,
it's
both
the
physical
artwork,
but
also
an
nft
version
of
it
and
the
artist
I'm
working
with
we're
gonna
we're
gonna
start
it.
A
Basically,
it's
a
it's
an
elongated
image
and
the
the
nft
is
going
to
be
an
animation
with
with
ten
keys.
So
the
nft
will,
like
it'll,
be
like
an
animated
gif
that
that
very
slowly
changes
over
the
course
of
a
day
with,
like
the
sun
moving
across
the
horizon,
and
then
the
moon
moving
and
they're.
A
Night
view
so
it'll
just
be
very
simple:
it's
based
off
of
some
some
other,
very
simple
nfts
that
we've
seen
on
nft
or
on
open
seat
and
and
so
what
I
envision
in
the
future
is
like
not.
I
could
have
the
physical
artwork
in
my
physical
home
and
then
I
could
have
the
nft
art
copy
of
that
in
my
metaverse.
D
D
There
are
already
people
that
I
just
watched
a
seminar
with
with
a
guy
that
was
talking
about
building
stuff
through
unity,
and
there
are
already
art
museums
that
have
taken
van
goghs
and
things
that
nature
and
they're
there
for
free
right
now,
and
I
think
they're
there
for
free,
because
people
don't
realize
these
will
one
day
have
a
value
to
be
able
to
put
up
a
high
resolution
scan
of
vanco's
starry
night
in
your
living
room
and
then
not
only
that,
but
once
like
the
headsets
are
getting
really
really
high-end.
D
D
So
it's
really
high
resolution.
So
you're
talking
about
a
future
where
you
could
literally
see
that
thing
as
if
it
was
real
in
front
of
your
face,
especially
depending
on
the
capture
method,
and
then
you
know
with
there's
other
companies
out
there
that
are
making
cheaper
and
cheaper
lcd
panels
that
can
actually
bend.
D
You
know
so
that
360
television
type
of
thing
is
coming
to
where
and
open
xr
chronos
is
the
com
is
the
software
company
that
runs
open
xr
and
they
said
we've
left
it
open
for
what
they
call
caves.
So
these
are
vr
environments
in
which
it's
all
led
panels
or
led
panels
and
you're
surrounded
completely
by
it.
So
you
know.
B
D
Looking
at
an
artwork
in
that
way,
combined
with
something
like
ar
or
mix
like
the
pass
through
mixed
reality,
you
can
not
only
be
in
a
museum,
but
you
could
have
the
statue
of
david
in
front
of
you
or
you
know.
Ancient
artifacts
could
be
in
front
of
you
not
just
on
the
screen,
something
you
could
walk
around
and
examine
very
much
like
tony
stark
and
iron
man.
A
Well,
you
know
in
what
I've
what
I've
seen
you
show
me
in
the
past
with
your
work.
Is
that
what
how
I
think
this
is
better
than
reality
in
that
in
the
particularly
when
you're
talking
about
ancient
relics
and
and
incredibly
rare
and
valuable
pieces
of
art,
you
can
zoom
in
and
get
much
more
closer
and
intimate
with
the
digital.
D
C
All
right,
I'm
just
gonna-
is
this
take
a
couple
of
seconds,
because
this
is
what
the
punk6529
that
twitter
guy
I
talked
about
last
time
he's
put
all
of
his
stuff
into
so
these
are
all
nfts
he's,
purchased
and
made
them
all,
and
you
can
see
as
you
go
up
to
him,
you
can
actually
read
more
if
you
hit
the
e
key
it'll
come
up
and
tell
you
about
this,
but
the
idea
was
just
like
you're
saying
these
are
all
nfts
and
this
is
all
really
all
he
did
was
he
took
the
signature
or
the
contract
address
and
put
them
into
this
on
cyber.
C
So
eventually,
what
would
be
nice
to
see
is
as
we're
building
this
works
for
ethereum
and
it
works
for
other
chains.
But
it's
not
currently
working
for
nft
stuff
on
slp
is
to
make
sure
that
we're
you
know
keeping
up
with
that
kind
of
thing,
because
I
feel
like
there's
going
to
be
so
much
that's
possible
as
we're
going
through
and
I'd
like
to
see.
C
You
know
these
kind
of
amazing
things
happen
throughout,
and
then
I
want
to
mention
one
thing,
which
is
this
tux.art,
which
is
a
fully
decentralized
on
ipfs,
which
feels
like
it
could
run
on
smart
vch
with
some
modification.
It's
all
open
source.
So
this
is
another
thing
that's
out
there.
That
currently
currently
is
is
experimental,
and
so
I'm
not
saying
that
that
this
is
all
locked
down,
but
this
is
going
to
be
real
stuff
very
soon
and
we
can
make
this
happen
for
smart
bch
and
our
slp.
A
A
B
So
I
want
to
go
back
a
little
from
the
nfts
and
talk
about
the
decentralized
stuff
so
before
before
a
mount
about
the
month.
There
was
this
eat
global
conference,
which
is
the
biggest
heat
event,
but
most
of
the
talks
were
even
not
it
related.
So
I
will
post
here
link
to
one
of
the
talks
which
I
want
to
talk
now
about.
B
I
cannot
use
the
chat.
Can
I
maybe.
B
So
these
guys
talking
about
the
decentralized
front
ends
which
catch
my
attention,
because
now
we
are
decentralizing
a
lot
about
the
back
end
like
blockchain,
it's
already
decentralized,
but
there's
not
so
much
work
on
the
front
ends.
It's
always
a
problem.
You,
you
have
a
central
site
somewhere
where
the
some
javascript
is
deployed.
B
So
it's
a
central
place,
which
is
not
very
good
for
the
future,
so
this
guy
was
talking
about
how
we
can
decentralize
the
front
ends,
and
I
start
looking
more
about
this.
These
last
tweaks
and
sia
guys
are
doing
great
stuff
there.
You
need
to
go
back,
maybe
on
some
time
you
look
on
the
network,
but
sia
is
something
like
ipfs
like
in
general.
B
It's
decentralized
group
of
computers
maintained
by
volunteers,
and
they
have
something
named
portos,
which
is
like
a
web
gate
to
this
network,
but
the
portals
are
pretty
much
open
source
and
everybody
can
have
a
portal.
So
I
think
the
portal
dot
foo
dot
full
stack.
The
cash
will
be
pretty
great
addition.
B
So-
and
I
start
looking
concia
and
the
easiest
way
is
just
to
go
to
this
csky.net.
B
B
It's
almost
like,
like
my
computer,
and
this
one
was
first
good
and
you
get
again
some
content
id
which
is
unique
and
immutable
everything
everything,
but
until
here
this
was
nothing
new,
it's
same
ipfs
but
another
one.
But
after
this
these
guys
start
talking
about
the
home
screen,
and
this
thing
is
like
so
good.
B
So
this
home
screen
is
something
like
this
one
and
you
can
imagine
it's
like
your
desktop.
B
So
every
one
of
this
thing
applications,
but
they
are
mine
applications
when
you
install
something
it's
going
to
you,
how
to
see
you
own
already
this
code,
even
if
the
developer
changed
something
it's
their
codes.
Your
code
is
here
so,
and
this
is
maybe
yeah.
They
have
something
like
a
file
manager.
So.
A
Let's,
let
me
just
see
if
I
can
kind
of
explain
what
you
just
explained.
It
might
help
other
people
so
you're
saying
that,
with
that
cs
site
that
you
showed
you
can
statically
compile
a
website
like
gatsby
upload
it
to
that
site
and
then
and
then
the
see
a
fi
see
a
chain
will
essentially
serve
your
your
site
and
then
that
home
screen
is
basically
like
the
equivalent
of
a
phone.
A
B
Here
here
is
the
the
file
that
I
uploaded
and
it's
just
a
built
of
some
of
my
applications
like
wallet,
something
it's
just
this
build
directory,
which
I
created
with
yarn,
build,
and
when
you
do
this,
you
you're
receiving
some
unique
url.
If
you
go
there,
the
application
is
there,
but
it's
still
not
interesting.
B
In
addition,
you
can
create
something
like
dns:
they
then
they
call
it
the
resolvable
scaling,
which
think
can
point
to
another
skylink,
and
this
guy
is
how
to
see
when
you
change
some
of
your
files.
Like
you
update
with
new
version,
there
is
a
small
button
button
here
to
update
the
dns,
so
it
will
link
this
permanent
resolver
to
your
new
version.
B
B
If
you
go
here
like,
for
example,
I
make
a
small
changes
in
my
in
my
code
in
my
javascript,
so
this
user,
which
is
not
me
he
can
check
here
for
updates
and
if
their
code
is
a
little
different
from
my
code,
I
can
update
my
javascript
with
the
new
code,
so
I
will
have
the
new
version,
but
I'm
not
obligated.
I
can
still
use
the
old
version
and
in
this
case
I
will
copy
and
I
will
give
my
own
version
of
the
all
javascript
and
everything.
A
This
is
so
good.
This
is
exactly
what
I
want
to
do
with
the
dex
is:
is
that
like
yeah,
it
should
be
a
self-contained
front-end
app
with
a
decentralized
backend,
so
that
you
know
you
get
to
run
it
and
if,
if
the,
if
you
know
github
decides
that
they
don't
like
the
code
and
they're
going
to
take
it
down,
it
does
not
affect
the
end
user
or
the
ability
for
users
to
access
the
app.
Yes.
B
This
also
all
of
these
are
open.
This
home
screen
is
also
open
source
and
you
can
here
connect
to
some
portal.
So
if
you
have
a
food
or
dots
full
stack,
dot
cash,
you
will
connect
to
your
portal.
You
don't
need
to
depend
from
the
csk
at
all.
It
will
be
your
own
portal.
D
I'm
interested
in
the
dns
you
so
you're
saying
with
the
dns.
You
can
change
stuff
on
the
back
end,
but
they'll
always
be
pointed
to
that
dns.
If
they're,
if
they're
going
there.
B
B
Skylink,
if
it's
amazon
like
to
another
bucket
or
to
another
ipfast
hash
yeah,
it
will
be.
The
real
contents
can
be
changed,
but
the
this
skylink
will
always
stay
the
same.
A
A
A
B
B
And
it
will
be
cool,
for
example,
if
we
have
fullstack.cache
portal
and
we
can
put
all
of
our
applications
there
like
a
wallet,
for
example,
and
everything,
so
everybody
can
just
copy
these
applications
in
their
home
screen
and
they
can
follow
the
new
versions
on
or
not
follow
them
and
as
a
developer.
If
you
make
a
mistake,
you
can
go
back
to
the
old
version,
because
in
this
it
is
over.
You
just
will
point
the
the
the
link
that
is
over
linked
to
the
old
version
and
you're
good
I'd
love.
A
C
C
B
B
You
can
configure
your
metamask
to
use
this
thing
and
you
can
completely
not
use
other
people's
blockchains,
but
all
of
the
evm
compatible
applications
will
work
with
this
and
you
can
have
some
convenience
inside
like
you,
can
see,
for
example,
your
contracts
or
just
let
me
see
if
I
can
like
you,
can
see
the
contracts
installed
there
by
a
good
like
web
interface.
B
You
can
see
you
not
security,
maybe
digital
assets,
you
can
see
your
tokens
like
this
is
the
rc20
tokens
that
I
created
and
because
it's
compatible
with
the
evm,
it's
in
fact
evm
they're,
using
like
this
kit
stuff.
B
So
there
was
mention
somewhere,
but
because
of
this
all
of
my
work
on
the
hard
hat
and
the
other
stuff
they're
working.
Also
with
this
this
framework
framework.
A
Are
they
are
they
setting?
Are
they
setting
up
like
like
a
your
own
test
net,
or
are
you
choosing
between
different
evm
networks
like
like
avalanche,
no.
B
No,
you
own,
you,
you
own
destiny,
it's
they
will.
They
will
run
for
you,
one
git
demon,
the
one
that
you're
running
on
your
machine,
but
they
make
it
publicly
available
from
outside.
Here
is
mentioned
like
git.
So
if
it's
your
machine,
you
can
develop
there,
but
you
cannot
share
your
stuff
with
other
people.
Can
you
show
it
or
cannot
ask
them
to
use
this
network,
so
you
can
develop
together.
B
B
So
I
wanted
to
show
you
the
this.
The
smart
lock
that
we
are
talking
about
with
other
our
errands
about
renting
some
services
and
paying
for
to
them
with
tokens
or
with
some
some
digital
currency.
So
you
can
see
it's
in
the
home
screen
already.
B
B
So
it's
a
smart
contract
and
the
price
for
one
hour
is
two
store
coins,
so
you
can
rent
it,
for
example,
for
30
minutes
you
can
see
here
the
it
will
get
one
store,
so
you're
selling
access
to
your
blockchain
yeah
to
to
this
local
room.
Maybe,
and
when
you
rent
this
stuff,
you
can
start
use
it.
You
can
lock
it
in.
D
B
Still
but
yeah,
this
is
what
is
done
until
now,
but
this
is
showing
several
like
using
of
home
screen
using
of
this
free
evm
for
your
needs
and
doing
smart
contracting.
A
Another
option
to
that
collido:
I
don't
know
if
you've
used
it,
let
remix.ethereum.org
just
show
what
that
looks
like
screen.
A
I
use
this
to
develop
it's
so
what
I
really-
and
I
you
know
my
my
development
experience.
Nothing
was
extremely
limited.
Basically
like
I
was
zero
until
a
few
days
ago,
in
a
tutorial
video,
I
watched
turned
me
onto
this
site
remix,
so
you
can
develop
a
contract
and
and
basically
step
through
it
and
debug
it,
and
it
will
run
so
this.
A
This
is
a
whole
ide
right
into
the
in
the
browser
and
and
it'll
simulate,
basically
run
your
own
reg
test
or
test
net
like
right
here
in
the
browser
and
then
when
you're
ready
to
deploy,
you
can
just
select
a
test
net
or
the
main
net
and
deploy
right
to
it,
and
this
was
just
incredibly,
you
know,
there's
youtube
videos
on
how
to
interact
with
us
better,
but
it
seems
like
it's
similar
to
that
collido
and
it's.
B
It's
developed,
it's
it's
another
class,
this
remix,
it's
an
online
editor
which
is
connected
to
to,
but
you
need
to
deploy
on
some
blockchain.
They
will
not
run
blockchain
for
you.
B
Beautiful
kalido
is
it's
another
blockchain,
so
from
remix
you
can
upload
even
to
the
kalido.
If
you
put,
if
you
put
the
rpc
point
somewhere
in
the
configurations
yeah
somewhere
in
here,
yeah
you
can
deploy
to
this
caledo.
It's
yeah,
you
do
it's
a
complete
framework
and
this
one
is
intelligent.
Editor,
it's
great
this
one,
because
it
has
a
lot
of
modules.
If
you
install
modules,
you
can
check
your
code
about
with
sourcify
to
so
they
are
sure
that
your
compiled
code
in
your
source
are
matching.
B
You
don't
put
some
hidden
functions
and
you
can
do
a
lot
of
stuff
with
remix.
You
don't
need
even
to
install
something
on
your
computer
like
git
or
something
you
can
do
everything
from
your
browser,
which
is
great
but
the
final
product.
The
the
compiled
contract
need
to
be
deployed
somewhere.
Okay,
so
collido.
B
A
Some
together.
D
We
got
some
comments
in
the
chat
here.
Aaron
is
actually
in
the
chat.
He
says
way
to
go
stoyan
you
can
rent
my
lamp,
my
door
locks,
we
open
door
locks
now,
a
washing
machine
or
dryer,
your
vending
machine,
a
scooter,
etc.
D
So
aaron,
maybe
you
want
to
post
in
the
telegram
where
people
can
rent
your
lamp,
because
I
think
people
might
have
fun
doing
that
and
then
dibble
asks
swap
for
only
slp
tokens
that
goes
back
to
the
swap
protocol.
You
were
talking
about
chris,
so
maybe
you
want
to
answer
that
and
we'll
get
to
the
other
chats
here.
A
Yeah
swap
was
originally
developed
for
slp
tokens,
we're
going
to
modify
it
to
work
on
the
x
chain
for
the
x
chain
tokens.
It
doesn't
really
I'm
not
aware
of
a
way
to
make
it
work
with
like
an
evm
token
thing,
because
the
whole
architecture
is
so
different,
but
but
yeah
for
these
types
of
utxo
based
blockchains
like
bitcoin
cash,
ecash
and
avalanche
exchange.
The
swap
protocol
is
for
trading
tokens
on
those
blockchains
yeah.
B
It
was
howzi
the
original
winner
money
protocol.
It
was
even
not
related
to
very
specific
networks.
It
was
a
way
to
encode
the
data,
so
the
the
how
to
see
the
separated
parts
can
make
a
dialogue
reading
just
how
to
see
some
posted
json
file.
Like
you
specify
in
your
file,
how
much
token
for
what
price
you
will
sell
them
post
this
on
some
public
place
like
blockchain
and
the
other
part
get
this
one
agreed
to
pay
something.
So
it's
like
a
way
to
communicate.
B
It's
pretty
abstract
and
just
winner.
Money
also
specified
that
you
can
optionally
encode
this
inside
the
op
return
data,
so
it
can
be
used
on
the
bch
blockchain,
but
the
original
protocol
was
just
a
description
of
what
kind
of
json.
For
example,
you
can
have
to
organize
the
exchange
between
two
separate
parts.
A
Yeah,
the
core
technology
behind
it
was
this
idea
of
collaborative
transactions,
which
is
something
that
is
like
goes
back
to
the
original
bitcoin
protocol,
which
is
the
ability
for
like
one
person
to
create
like
a
partial
transaction
and
then
pass
it
on
to
another
party.
Who
can
then
add
inputs
and
outputs,
and
you
can
have
unlimited
numbers
of
parties
all
collaborating
to
add
inputs
and
outputs
and
then
and
then
everybody
checks,
their
work,
signs,
their
inputs
and
outputs
and
then
broadcasts
the
final
transaction.
A
And
that's
what
makes
these
token
swaps
both
trustless
and
atomic,
because
it
either
happens
or
it
doesn't
and
it's
trustless,
and
that
everybody
gets
a
chance
to
check
the
transaction
before
they.
They
add
their
input
and
output
once
they
sign
it.
No
one
else
can
can
change
their
they're
frozen.
No
one
can
change
those
inputs
and
outputs.
D
So
we
we
have,
hopefully
that
helps
answer
your
question
dibble
and
we
got
andrew
gosling
says
in
the
chat.
A
possible
name
could
have
something
to
do
with
horizon.
I
think
this
is
back
to
the
facebook
name,
the
name
still
unreleased
vr
version
of
facebook
meets
roboblocks
that
the
company
has
been
developing
for
the
past
few
years.
D
The
name
of
that
app
was
recently
tweaked
to
horizon
worlds.
Shortly
after
facebook,
demoed
a
version
for
workplace
collaboration
called
horizon
workrooms,
and
that
looks
very
similar
to
what
we
saw
in
the
telegram
chat.
The
ecash.vr
I
checked
that
out,
while
we
were,
you
guys
were
talking
very
cool.
It's
a
virtual
reality,
meeting
room
type
of
thing
and
yeah.
Once
again
where
this
stuff
is
headed,
bitcoin
payment
module
says
you
can
even
rent
aaron
sunderman's
3d
objects.
He
showed
us
in
a
virtual
world
with
stoyan's
rentable,
smart
contracts.
D
I
think
that
might
be
another
count
from
aaron
over
in
in
ohio
so,
and
I
think
that
is
it
for
the
chat.
Besides
pg
mandrino
says
nice.
True,
decentralization,
even
better,
no
pools
wow
exciting
stuff.
So
we
appreciate
the
chats
guys.
You
keep
them
up
and
we'll
we'll
always
be
reading
them
out.
So
whenever
you
type.
A
I
appreciate
you
guys
keeping
an
eye
on
those
youtube
comments
that
usually
miss
those.
Well,
it's
been
a
little
over
an
hour.
This
has
been
a
fantastic
meeting.
I
think
we've
covered
a
lot
of
ground,
probably
a
good
time
to
wrap
it
up.
A
All
right
guys!
Well
thanks
for
coming,
and
thank
you,
everyone
who
interacted
by
leaving
comments.
I
will
see
you
all
in
the
psf
telegram
channel.
That's
where
you
can
find
me
and
the
rest
of
these
guys
all
right.