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From YouTube: Committee on Appropriations 2-22-2021
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The Committee on Appropriations of the Council of the City of Philadelphia held a Public Hearing on Monday, February 22, 2021, at 10:00 AM, in a remote manner using Microsoft® Teams to hear testimony on the following items:
210077 An Ordinance authorizing transfers in appropriations for Fiscal Year 2021 from the General Fund, the Council to the General Fund, the Department of Planning and Development.
210120 An Ordinance authorizing transfers in appropriations for Fiscal Year 2021 from the General Fund, the Council to the General Fund, certain or all City offices, departments, boards and commissions, and thereby implementing Council’s “New Normal Jobs Initiative.”
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B
Good
morning,
that
is
all
madam
chair.
A
A
Thank
you
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begin
to
hear
testimony
from
the
witnesses
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have
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david.
Will
you
please
call
the
first
panel.
We
have
to
testify
this
this
morning
on
bit
on
bill's
numbers,
21077,
2101,
20210121,.
G
We
go
all
right
good
morning,
good
day,
yeah
good
morning,
chairperson
community
sanchez,
and
I
members
of
the
appropriation
committee.
I
have,
of
course,
now
having
a
weirdness
with
my
powerpoint
showing,
but
I
am
marissa
goran
waxman
and
I
serve
as
the
budget
director
for
the
city
of
philadelphia,
and
I
am
joined
today
by
sarah
dewolf,
the
recovery
officer
and
deputy
finance
director
for
policy
and
practice.
G
I'm
here
to
offer
testimony
and
support
today,
bill
number
two
one:
zero
one.
Two
one
bill
number
two
one:
zero
one:
two
one
provides
for
a
transfer
within
the
grants,
revenue
fund
to
the
general
fund
managing
director's
office
for
the
purpose
of
supporting
covid
response
costs
for
the
second
half
of
the
fiscal
year.
G
This
ordinance
is
needed
to
support
ongoing
spending
related
to
our
covid
response,
like
quarantine
and
isolation,
access
centers
for
distance
learning
and
personal
protective
equipment
for
frontline
employees,
and
so
all
of
this
money
is
being
allocated
to
the
managing
director's
office
so
that
we
can
centralize
the
coveted
costs.
This
is
the
same
approach
that
we
used
for
the
first
85
million
transfer
ordinance.
The
council
approved
last
spring
for
covet
costs.
G
It
helps
us
group
it
all
in
one
place,
but
we
do
anticipate
that
many
different
departments
will
have
costs
that
are
supported
by
this
funding,
but
this
helps
us
track.
It.
We've
allocated
the
funding
in
this
transfer
ordinance
with
10
million
to
class
120
million
to
class
220
million
class
300
400.
G
The
reason
we
allocated
this
way
is
it's
basically
in
line
with
our
code
spending
to
date
in
terms
of
by
class.
However,
some
of
the
costs
are
not
yet
known,
so
we're
not
able
to
pull
to
do
full
sort
of
projections
of
the
exact
amount
by
class,
but
we
think
that
this
is
what
can
happen
and
the
reason
we're
asking
for
this
transfer
ordinance
is
that
we
need
to
support
ongoing
spending
in
response
to
the
pandemic.
G
I
think
we
still
have
a
number
of
needs
related
to
that
personal
protective
equipment,
continuing
to
support,
quarantine
and
isolation,
centers
providing
salats
supplies
and
food
for
access
centers.
So
originally,
when
we
got
our
cares,
act
funding,
276
million
up
until
the
very
end.
The
expectation
was
that
it
all
had
to
be
spent
by
december
30th
2020.
G
We
had
reimburse
the
general
fund,
basically
freeing
up
general
fund
dollars
to
spend
for
the
rest
of
the
fiscal
year
and
so
the
50
million
dollars,
because
you
might
be
asking
given
that
last
week
we
announced
that
we're
anticipating
a
450
million
dollar
budget
gap
for
next
year,
where
the
heck
did
we
get
50
million
dollars
for
continuing
covet
costs.
This
had
been
part
of
our
plan
from
the
time
we
had
gotten
that
those
crf
dollars
to
make
sure
that
we
could
continue
to
support
our
pandemic
response
for
the
balance
of
the
fiscal
year.
G
We
are
going
to
have
to
prioritize
the
spending
of
these
funds,
though
honestly
in
this
response
you
know
our
needs
are
tremendous,
and
so
we
have
a
process
through
which
first,
if
departments
have
an
ask
related
to
covet
response,
if
it's
under
ten
thousand
dollars,
we
ask
the
departments
to
try
and
absorb
them.
If
you've
got
a
thirty
million
dollar
budget,
you
need.
You
know
a
couple
hundred
dollars
worth
of
sanitizer.
G
We
asked
departments
to
figure
it
out,
but
if
you
can't
absorb
it
because
you're
a
small
department
whose
funds
are
already
allocated
or
if
it's
a
much
larger
cost,
then
all
of
those
requests
are
then
going
to
be
vetted
by
the
office
of
recovery
and
grants,
and
so
we're
looking
for
a
couple
things
one
you
know:
is
it
a
legitimate
cost
and
two?
Is
there
a
source
of
grant
funding
that
will
pay
for
it
other
than
this
50
million?
G
This
50
million
is
sort
of
our
last
safety
net
for
funding
these,
but
if
we
can
get
fema
or
another
grant
stream
outside
the
city
to
pay
for
it,
we
want
to
make
that
happen,
and
so
that's
the
vetting
that
the
office
of
recovering
grants
will
do
if
another
funding
source
isn't
identified
and
we
need
to
apply
a
cost
to
this
50
million
dollar
fund,
basically
weekly,
the
managing
director,
the
finance
director
and
the
mayor's
chief
of
staff,
jointly
review
and
approve
and
prioritize.
G
These
requests
the
types
of
expenditures
I've
mentioned
some
of
them
already,
but
we've
got
to
do
the
space
rental
facilities,
management
for
those
quarantine
and
isolation
spaces.
We've
got
temporary
positions
that
are
continuing
at
our
emergency
operation
center,
we're
providing
supplies
and
food
at
our
access
centers.
As
long
as
distance
learning
continues,
we
still
have
remote
working
costs
for
some
of
our
departments.
Some
of
those
are
ongoing.
G
Some
of
them,
you
know
still
getting
some
of
the
equipment
we
need
or
the
technology
software
so
that
folks
can
work
from
home
and
then
continuing
to
provide
restroom
and
hand
washing
stations
so
that
they
can
fill
in.
Where
one,
just
because
first
sanitation
needs
and
preventing
the
spread
and
to
fill
in
because
a
lot
of
the
public
restrooms
that
the
city
normally
offers
are
currently
closed
and
again
that
personal
protective
equipment,
so
we
have
a
lot
of
things.
G
We
know
that
we're
going
to
need,
there's
obviously
going
to
be
things
that
continue
to
come
up
over
the
coming
months,
that
we
hadn't
yet
anticipated,
which
is
why
we're
setting
these
funds
aside
and
then
so.
The
question
is:
how
are
you
going
to
know
because
there
is
still
some
uncertainty
here,
and
so
what
we'll
be
doing
to
make
sure
that
both
council
members
and
the
general
public
are
aware
of
how
these
funds
are
being
used?
G
G
A
You
thank
you
before
I
pass
it
on
to
my
colleagues
for
questions.
So
marissa
speak
to
me
a
little
bit
about
the
reconciliation
of
the
first
85
million
dollars
right
and
then
with
the
extension
of
the
utilization
of
cares
act.
How
did
that
get
reconciled
in
the
first
part
of
the
year,
and
then
how
will
this
move
the
50
million
dollars?
What
did
we
learn
from
from
that.
G
H
Thank
you,
sorry
about
that.
Sarah
dewolf
recovery
officer,
so
for
the
first
85
million.
If
you'll
remember,
that
was
really
in
the
second
half
of
fiscal
year
20.
and
we
could
apply
the
276
million
dollars
of
coronavirus
relief
funds
that
we
got.
We
could
reimburse
the
general
fund
for
some
of
those
costs.
H
We
ultimate
ultimately
reimburse
the
general
fund,
for
I
think
it
was
64
million
of
those
costs.
There
were
some
costs
that
just
weren't
eligible
based
on
the
different
requirements
of
the
pronovirus
relief
fund,
for
example.
Things
like
hazard
pay,
so
not
all
of
those
costs
were
reimbursed,
but
some
were-
and
I
think
your
second
question
was
about
the
276
million
so
yeah.
H
If
you'll,
remember
the
timing,
so
the
deadline
for
that
grant
has
been
extended
by
a
year,
but
that
decision
wasn't
finalized
until
three
days
before
the
original
deadline.
The
president
signed
it
on
december
27th
and
the
original
deadline
was
december
30th.
H
So
we
had
really
fully
obligated
that
funding
at
that
point
and
while
you
know
we're
still
collecting
invoices
and
kind
of
doing
final
reconciliations
around
that
that
funding,
we
expect
it
to
be
fully
obligated
and
expanded.
Hence
the
need
for
this
additional
50
million.
A
Marissa,
can
you
speak
to
me?
I'm
a
little
concerned
around
some
of
the
expenditure
line
items
as
it
relates
to
this,
because
I've
yet
to
see-
and
if
you
can
speak
to
where
were
the
savings
undercover
the
departments
had,
and
so
how
are
you
making
decisions
between
stuff
that
isn't
happening
and
expenditures
the
savings
per
department,
because
it
appears
to
me
that
their
you
know
access
centers,
there's
other
program
money
again.
If
it's
cares
qualifying
it's
one
thing,
but
now
we're
not
dealing
with
cares
funding,
and
until
this
new
relief
comes
in.
A
G
Yeah,
absolutely,
and
so
one
of
the
things
I
mentioned
is
there
are
times
where
we
ask
departments.
If
you
can
absorb
this
absorb
this,
we
still
do
want
folks
documenting
if
we
think
that
it
can
be
reimbursed,
because,
given
the
precarious
situation
we're
in,
we
might
want
those
savings
so
that
when
we,
you
know
for
our
fund
balance
or
when
we
return
to
normal.
G
So
if
we
can
get
reimbursed,
we
want
to
track
it
that
way,
but
we
are
having
areas
where
we
are
seeing
savings
and
that
so
we
just
put
out
our
quarterly
city
managers
report
and
in
there
everything
is
like
well,
this
cost
went
up,
but
this
cost
went
down.
G
The
net
impact
was
whatever
and
so
there's
a
lot
of
areas
where
we
are
seeing
some
costs
go
down,
and
I
will
say
probably
overall
the
biggest
one
that
we're
seeing
across
many
different
departments
is
savings
related
to
special
events,
because
we
are
not
having
them
for
the
most
part,
there's
some.
Obviously,
some
events
are
happening.
First,
amendment
activities,
but
unfortunately,
all
the
joyous
ones
they're
not
happening
and
so
we're
seeing
savings
in
a
lot
of
departments
that
typically
expend
overtime
related
to
those
special
events.
G
We
are
actually,
though,
so
as
a
result,
our
overtime
projections
for
fy21
are,
I
would
say,
about
more
than
20
million
lower
than
fy20,
and
so
that's,
where
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
these
savings.
But
at
the
same
time
we're
also
seeing
cost
increases
that
we
haven't
really
all
allocated
to
those
coveted
costs.
So
some
departments
a
lot
less
over
time
because
we're
not
doing
those
in
the
last
quarter.
G
We
revised
down
our
overtime
numbers
for
l
I
and
and
for
free
library,
and
so
there
are
places
where
that's
coming
down,
but
there's
also
places
where
it's
continuing
to
go
up
and
there's
a
couple:
different
drivers,
for
example
in
our
fire
department,
one
they're
continuing
to
have
the
pandemic
response
doing
activities
that
are
not.
You
know
things
that
more
than
you
know
13
months
ago
we
would
have
expected
they're.
Also
faced
with
you,
know,
staff
being
out
because
of
illness
or
having
to
quarantine.
G
If
there's
been
an
exposure,
but
we
then
have
to
backfill
those
staff
because
we
don't
just
say
whoopsie,
you
know
the
fire
trucks
and
ambulances
don't
go
out
today,
so
we're
seeing
sort
of
pushes
and
pulls
areas
where
our
costs
are
going
up,
even
just
to
deliver
our
core
services.
We
are
seeing
other
areas
where
those
costs
are
going
down
and
in
some
cases,
we're
reallocating.
G
You
know
within
departments
just
to
absorb
those,
but
over
and
above
that,
the
cost
we
have
related
to
the
pandemic.
We
think
can't
be
fully
absorbed,
which
is
why
we
were
moving
this
money
from
the
grants
fund
to
the
general
fund.
A
As
it
relates
to
protocol,
what
is
what
are
what
standards
are
we
using?
I
know
one
of
the
when
we
first
talked
about
the
overtime
at
the
fire
department,
there
was
a
14-day
warranty.
Are
we
still
doing
14
days?
What
is
the
standard?
The
cdc
recommendations
is
five
to
seven
days
with
testing.
What
how
how
have
we
adjusted
as
we
get
more
familiar
with
with
covet
and
some
of
this
work.
G
You
know,
I
don't
know
that
answer
right
now,
but
I
can
and
sarah's
not
in
your
head
that
she
does
not
either.
So
what
we'll
do
is
we'll
go
back
to
the
fire
department
and
the
managing
director's
office
to
get
an
update
on
those
for
you.
A
I'd
like
to
see
a
pro
a
protocol
across
the
board,
because
that's
one
of
the
apprehensions
is
one
department
gets
14
days
quarantined,
one
department
gets
10,
one
department
gets
seven,
it's
sort
of
like
what
are
we?
How
is
this
evolving,
as
the
cdc
recommendations
come
out
about?
What
is
the
standard?
I
think
it's
important,
so
I'm
gonna
ask
a
little
bit
around
the
quarantine
and
isolation
spaces.
A
H
Yeah
I'm
aware
of
the
issue
that
you
mentioned.
I
don't
have
sort
of
a
daily
rate
off
the
top
of
my
head,
but
I
could
definitely
provide
that
as
follow-up.
H
I
think
the
important
thing
to
highlight
around
the
isolation,
quarantine
and
prevention
spaces
is
that
our
primary
funding
source
for
those
spaces
now
that
we
don't
have
coronavirus
relief
funding
to
lean
on
is
fema
public
assistance
and
fema's
very
clear
that
they
see
themselves
as
a
provider
of
last
resort
being
in
a
pandemic
is
very
unusual.
It's
an
unusual
thing
for
fema
to
reimburse
around.
H
So
we
don't
have
a
lot
of
precedent
here,
but
what
we're
seeing
and
what
we're
hearing
is
that,
while
fema
may
reimburse
some
of
the
actual
hotel
costs
associated
with
isolation
and
quarantine,
prevention
is
a
riskier
cost
for
fema
to
reimburse
and
the
longer
out
we
get
from
that
kind
of
march
14
original
date.
H
H
So
it
just
creates
a
big
financial
risk
for
us,
and
you
know
that
fema
has
made
some
policy
changes,
which
I
think
people
have
cited
and
maybe
incorrectly
interpreted,
to
mean
that
they're
more
likely
to
reimburse
in
this
space
they
they,
the
administration,
directed
fema,
to
do
100
federal
cost
share,
which
basically
means
you
know.
Traditionally
fema
has
required
what
they
call
a
local
cost
share,
which
means
they
pay
like
75
of
what's
reimbursed
and
the
city
or
the
local
municipality
has
to
pay
the
other
the
25.
H
But
we've
always
had
the
state
telling
us
that
they're
going
to
pick
up
that
local
cost
share,
so
that
policy
change
doesn't
really
mean
much
for
us,
and
it
doesn't
mean
anything
about
what
fema
is
willing
to
reimburse.
It
just
means
once
they
make
that
decision.
How
much
of
that
is
covered
by
fema?
More
recently
like
in
late
january,
the
the
president,
you
know,
has
been
issued.
H
Domestic
violence
shelters
also
some
costs
associated
with
reopening
schools,
but
they
haven't
issued
any
detailed
guidance
yet
and
that's
really
what
we're
waiting
for
to
better
understand
what
that
means
for
us,
because
fema
is
very
they're,
they're,
very
strict
about
what
they're
going
to
reimburse
they
have
really
they're,
basically
have
the
highest
standards
of
any
agency,
and-
and
so
there's
just
you
know,
there's
risk
until
we
better
understand
what
that
means.
A
Well,
you
know,
let
me
encourage
us
to
be
proactive.
I
think
what
we've
seen
from
the
federal
the
new
federal
administration
is
that
they
are
willing
to
listen
to
cities.
If
we
have
plans
right
if
we
say
well,
this
is
a
more
productive,
productive
utilization
of
resources.
I
think
they've.
You
know
you've
seen
some
movement
on
that.
A
So
let
me
encourage
all
of
us
to
to
work
in
that
space,
and
you
know
the
homeless
shelters
of
the
product
lines
that
we
have
are
going
to
have
are
going
to
have
to
change
in
a
covet
world,
and
so
we
should
really
be
using
all
of
these
opportunities
to
create
what
those
long-term
spaces
are
going
to
look
like,
and
how
do
we
transition
people
right
into
into
more
appropriate
settings?
So
let
me
encourage
that.
H
Oh,
I
just
wanted
to
add
that
that
is
actually
an
area
where
we
have
been
investing
recovery
funds,
we've
put
money
into
creating
barriers
and
shelters.
So
I
just
wanted
to
make
it
clear
also
that
we
have
been.
We
have
been
investing
in
some
of
the
modifications
necessary
for
some
of
the
more
traditional
homeless
services
programs.
D
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
appreciate
it.
I
am
sitting
here
listening
to
the
testimony
and
I
think
councilmember
sanchez's
line
of
questions
just
kind
of
raised
some
concerns
for
me
that
I
just
want
to
kind
of
get
some
clarity
about.
So
you
talked
about
your
overtime
projections.
You
said
that
they're
20
million
lower,
but
then
you
spoke
about
fire.
You
didn't
talk
about
police
last
year
towards
the
end
of
the
year.
D
Council
apprehensively
voted
for
a
transfer
ordinance
to
address
some
of
the
overtime
issues
and
if
my
numbers
served
me
correct,
50
about
57
million
of
that
those
overtime
dollars
were
to
fire
and
police,
specifically
so
with
us,
anticipating
that
we're
not
going
to
be
addressed
the
overtime
issue
with
fire
and,
I
believe,
40
million
with
the
fire.
D
How
can
we
realistically
say
that
we
anticipate
20
million
20
million
dollars
less
next
year
in
overtime
because
of
departments
like
l
and
I
in
the
free
library
like
I
just
I
don't
know
those
those
those
numbers.
Don't
sound
realistic
to
me,
so
I'm
hoping
maybe
we
can
just
revisit
that
and
figure
out.
D
How
did
we
get
to
that
point
where
we
feel
like
we'll
have
less,
especially
when
we
saw
a
lot
of
different
unpredictable
factors
in
2020
according
to
the
administration,
according
to
your
testimony
in
last
year's
appropriations
hearing,
that
was
the
reason
why
we've
seen
so
much
overtime
because
of
unpredictable
things
happening.
So
how
do
we
justify
that?
I'm
confused.
G
Great,
thank
you
so
much
for
your
question.
Council
member.
One
thing
I
want
to
be
clear
is
that
of
all
the
costs
that
I
talked
about
for
this
50
million
transfer
ordinance.
We
were
not
anticipating
any
of
that
being
for
sort
of
standard
overtime.
My
response
on
the
discussion
of
overtime
had
to
do
with
more
of
the
rest
of
the
budget
and
what
was
going
on
there
and
not
these
pandemic
response.
G
D
D
I
have
a
question
or
two
about
that
as
well
too,
but
again
I
I
I
referenced
my
question
with
the
council
members
line
of
questioning
you
know
led
to
this
dialogue.
That
now
has
me
curious.
So
I
understand
that
this
is
not
directly
related
to
these
trade
foreigners,
but
again
I'm
in
a
hearing
I'm
trying
my
best
to
be
attentive
and
some
of
the
numbers
that
were
communicated
as
it
relates
to
next
year's
overtime.
G
All
right,
so
thank
you.
So
yes,
and
then
quarterly
city
managers
report
that
we
put
out
on
the
I
want
to
say
the
15th
was
a
sunday,
the
16th.
So
last
week,
last
monday,
that's
where
we
updated-
and
I
know
we've
got
a
fiscal
stability
hearing
on
march
1st,
and
so
we
can
start
now.
We
can
go
into
greater
depth,
then,
where
we
updated
all
of
our
revenue
projections,
as
well
as
our
spending
projections
for
fy21
our
current
year
and
so
sort
of
through
that
process.
We
had
to
make
some
adjustments.
G
We
won
made
some
assumptions
and
updated
our
revenue
estimates
based
on
actual
collections
so
far
year
to
date,
as
well
as
showing
them
funding
coming
over
from
the
grants
revenue
fund
to
support
these
pandemic
costs.
G
When
you
netted
all
of
that
out
that
actually
looks
good,
but
unfortunately,
those
grant
dollars
that
we
got
and
those
reimbursements
are
actually
masking
that
we
have
further
reduced
our
tax
estimates
by
about
40
million
dollars,
and
so
we've
got
some
challenges
there.
We
then,
at
the
same
time
as
we
were
looking
at
our
data
through
the
end
of
q2,
updated
all
of
our
spending
projections
for
departments,
and
so,
as
I
mentioned,
part
of
that
was
updating
our
overtime
projections
to
try
and
refine
those
better.
G
G
What
we
care
about
is
is
the
overall
class
100,
because
overtime
is
a
tool
that
we
use
to
deliver
services
and
there
can
be
different
ways
to
do
that
and
overtime
is
one
of
those
ways,
but
we
have
seen,
as
you've
pointed
out
so
much
uncertainty
in
the
past
year,
that
those
can
really
fluctuate,
and
so
that
is
why
we've
continued
to
update
all
of
our
projections,
and
so
we
just
did
that
through
the
end
of
the
second
quarter,
and
so,
as
we've
done
that
we
are
continuing
to
update
our
estimates,
we
had
to
increase
our
estimate
for
fy21.
G
However,
it
remains
lower
than
our
actual
spend
from
fy20,
as
the
council
woman
mentioned,
because
they're
you
know.
Obviously
there
are
areas
where
we
are
doing
more.
There's
areas
where
we're
doing
back
doing
less.
I
will
say,
though,
that,
as
we
were
doing,
those
updates
a
lot
of
snow
was
coming
down
and
so
streets
department.
You
know,
as
we
have
had
more
snow
than
we've
had
in
years,
while
they
do
maintain
a
snow
reserve.
You
know
the
challenges
of
whether
or
not
that'll
be
adequate
in
this
particular
year
or
question.
G
So
we
continue
to
update
and
refine,
and
that's
in
part
why
we
do
those
quarterly
managers
reports
also
they're
required
by
law
for
pica,
but
it
helps
us
stay
on
top
of
what
is
changing.
With
all
of
those
uncertain
circumstances,
you
have
being
able
to
figure
out
where,
if
we
have
an
unavoidable
cost
in
one
area,
what
levers
do
we
have
to
toggle
back
in
others,
and
so
that's
what
we're
sort
of
doing
consistently
throughout
the
year.
D
Well,
thank
you.
I
won't
be
labor
day
because
I
know
that
that's
not
the
the
topic
today.
I
just
wanted
to
raise
that
point
and
I
understand
your
response,
but
I
I
am
you
know,
please
don't
mind
if
respectable,
that's
our
job
on
this
side
of
the
this
side
of
things
as
it
relates
to
the
this
is
my
last
question
as
a
release
to
the
quarantine,
isolation
centers,
as
well
as
the
access
centers.
D
What
capacity
are
they
operating
at
so
I
know
that
we're
funding
them
to
serve
a
certain
amount
of
people,
I'm
wondering
what
percentage
as
far
as
seats
we're
paying
for
are
actually
being
occupied
in
both,
and
I,
after
that,
I'm
done.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
G
And
obviously,
there's
fluctuations
but
we'll
get
back
to
you
with
the
occupancy
on
those
quarantined
isolation
sites,
as
well
as
the
access
centers,
and
that
was
I
know
one
of
the
challenges
that
we
really
had
is
you
know
also
what
surge
nursing
facilities
things
like
that?
You
know.
How
do
we
they're
not
things?
You
can
bring
online
the
day,
that
you
need
them
and
so
trying
to
gauge
that,
but
we
will
get
back
to
you
with
those
occupancy
stats.
A
And
again,
because
that's
a
new
program,
you
know
what
is
the
cost
per
student,
I'm
of
the
belief
that
you
know.
If
we
want
to
help
families,
we
need
to
be
flexible
for
them,
and
so
there
was
a
value
to
them
in
the
beginning.
You
know:
are
we
better
off
giving
folks
grant
money
for
them
to
pick
providers
based
on
their
new
reality
as
you
transition
as
we
open
schools
and
and
do
all
this
stuff?
I'm
I'm
concerned
about
us
turning
temporary
things
into
permanent
things.
You
know
that
are
really
not
evidence-based
and
again.
A
I
know
people
wanted
to
respond
to
certain
things,
but
I
I
believe
there
was
a
lot
of
savings
that
could
have
really
should
have
been
realigned
with
that,
and
I
again
I
want
to
emphasize
that
a
lot,
because
I
know
that
when
we
get
to
the
fiscal
stability,
I
think
that
government
has
operated
differently
under
coverage
and
I'm
very
concerned
that
we're
just
spending
as
opposed
to
realigning
and-
and
you
know,
when
you
make
a
presentation-
and
you
say
we're
gonna-
have
a
budget
deficit.
A
A
So
you
know
we
need
to
have
a
honest
discussion
about
what
are
we
doing?
What
is
government
doing
what
it
should
be
doing
and
how
do
we
protect
the
most
vulnerable?
We
can't
have
that
discussion.
If
the
first
thing
is
we're
going
to
have
a
deficit,
and
yet
departments
have
a
real
line
to
the
new
reality,
and
I
haven't
seen
much
of
that.
I've
met
with
a
lot
of
department
heads
and
I
said
to
them
guys.
A
The
world
has
changed
and
people
are
still
operating
the
same
way
and
that's
not
going
to
be
acceptable
in
this
budget
coming
up.
But
you
know
I
don't
want
to
start
the
conversation
from
the
most
needy
and
the
most
vulnerable
are
the
ones
that
have
to
give
up.
Well,
we
have
some
structural
issues
that
have
to
be
realigned,
and
I
I
don't
know
that
people
are
listening
marissa
to
what
we're
talking
about.
So
I
mean
departments.
A
The
world
has
changed
right
and
so
outside
of
the
overtime
for
special
events.
You
know
there
should
be
a
lot
more
savings
going
on
and
realignment
in
those
departments.
So
I
won't
be
laboring
any
other
questions
related
to
this
one.
So
we
can
go
on
to
the
next
bill.
A
Okay,
so
bill
number,
two,
one:
zero
one,
two:
zero!
That's
basically
a
a
council
one!
I
don't
know
if
you
had
anything
to
add
to
that
marisa.
A
Okay
yeah:
these
are
mostly
council,
new,
normal
department
issues
and
then
some
expenditures
around
the
commitments
that
we've
made.
Is
there
anything
related
to
bill
210
one
two,
one
marissa:
that
we
should
be
aware
of.
G
210121
nope,
just
just
the
testimony
we've
already
offered.
A
Okay,
see
none
one
last
thing
hot:
when
you
know
sarah
mentioned
there's
in
the
reconciliation
of
the
first
85
million,
there
was
a
64
million
dollar
reimbursement
from
the
cares
act.
Where
would
could
we
see
that
is
that
money
shown?
Is
it
just
going
to
be
part
of
the
general
fund.
H
I
think
that
should
show
up
in
our
in
our
cafe
our
annual
financial
report,
I'm
not
sure
marissa
I'd.
Look
to
you,
I'm
not
sure
where
that,
where
else
that
shows
up
in
our
budget
documents.
G
So
you
can
also
see
it
when
it
is
coming
in
from
the
grants
fund.
You
can
see
it
as
a
revenue
and
update
to
our
current
projections
in
our
revenues
from
other
governments.
G
So
we
update
that
as
a
revenue
from
another
government
coming
into
the
general
fund,
and
then
I
can-
and
you
know
we
can
show
you
more
detail
there.
If
you
want
to
see
that,
but
it
is
sort
of
called
out,
you
won't
see
the
exact
number
because
there's
other
things
in
that
line,
but
you'll
see
the
increase
in
our
revenue
from
other
governments
line.
G
A
Because
that
you
know
again
the
reimbursements
you
know
kudos
to
the
recovery
office.
I
know
you
guys
worked
really
hard
making
sure
all
those
expenses
were
covered
and
and
reimbursable.
So
I'm
gonna
recognize
council,
member,
alan
dahm
and
then
councilman
kenyatta,
johnson,
alan.
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
wanted
to
speak
regarding
2-1-0-1-2-1.
Is
that
was
a
good
time
now?
Yes,
you
know,
since
the
philly
fights
covet
debacle,
I've
called
upon
administration
to
do
two
things
which
are
consult
with
city
council
on
mass
vaccination
sites
and
show
us
the
plan
that
has
been
developed
for
these
sites
to
date.
E
Then,
over
the
weekend
we
saw
what
happened
with
the
lack
of
foresight
and
planning
when
people
waited
in
eight
hour
lines
for
a
vaccine
with
no
public
safety
plan,
no
bathroom
plan,
no
seating
plan,
and
we
did
not
support
the
lia
course
facility.
At
that
time
there
was
no
support
for
that
operation.
Thousands
of
our
at
most
at
risk
philadelphians
stood
outside
for
hours
in
the
freezing
cold
to
get
their
vaccines.
E
The
inquirer
reported
that
elderly
patients
with
diabetes
and
heart
conditions,
some
relying
on
oxygen
tanks
and
walkers
waiting
for
hours
in
the
freezing
cold
and
then
a
rubbish
fire
which
was
stored
to
keep
people
in
line.
Warm
became
dangerous
at
6,
30
p.m,
forcing
the
falafel
fire
department
to
respond
to
put
it
out.
E
An
hour
later,
this
situation
became
so
dire
this
weekend
that
dr
stanford
head
of
the
black
doctors
cover
19
consortium
had
to
quote
bring
seniors
inside
for
their
safety,
and
the
quote:
inquirer
further
reported
50
year
old,
female,
with
diabetes
and
heart
disease
arrived
at
9
00
am
and
joined
the
walk-up
line
early
when
the
line
was
at
broad
street
and
cecil
b.
Moore
avenue
still
outside
the
building
at
4
pm,
she
said
she
hadn't,
eaten
and
struggled
to
find
somewhere
to
use
the
bathroom.
E
E
E
At
the
hearing
last
friday,
when
people
were
waiting
in
the
freezing
rain
for
their
vaccines,
the
health
department
advised
us.
The
mass
vaccination
had
to
be
inside
for
safety
reasons
due
to
the
weather
and
then
doubled
down,
saying
we
wouldn't
have
the
same
problems
at
indoor
facilities
that
we
would
have
in
an
outdoor
facility.
Like
the
link.
E
An
indoor
facility
only
protects
people
from
the
freezing
rain.
If
you
plan
to
bring
them
inside
for
their
shots,
we
all
need
to
ask
ourselves
with
philadelphians
standing
in
line
freezing
in
the
cold
at
that
indoor
facility
at
fraud
and
cecil
b.
Moore
have
fared
better
waiting
in
their
heated
cars
or
shuttle
buses
that
night
at
lincoln
financial.
E
The
failure
of
the
administration
to
plan
three
weeks
ago
led
to
the
philly
fighting
covert
debacle,
the
family
of
the
plan.
Let
the
phmc
hijack
our
vaccines
for
their
non-eligible
non-resident
employees.
Their
failure
to
plan
lead
to
the
neglectful,
mistreatment
of
philadelphians
at
the
lea
chorus
center
last
friday
and
once
again,
there's
no
plan.
After
three
weeks
of
negotiations
with
fema,
the
health
department
told
us
on
friday.
E
E
Are
they
free
or
is
it
discounted
parking
to
vaccine
appointments
at
the
convention
center?
So
the
administration,
madam
chair,
is
here
today
to
ask
us
to
release
more
money
for
covert
related
operations,
but
I
will
say
it
again:
we
still
have
not
seen
a
plan
in
place
that
tells
us
the
details
we
need
to
have
for
proper
oversight
of
the
distribution
of
the
vaccine.
E
E
Will
these
resources
be
used
to
pay
for
marketing
to
those
we
need
to
vaccinate
in
all
of
our
neighborhoods,
whether
it
be
paying
community
partners
to
help
organize
people
or
paying
for
other
programs
to
ensure
equity
of
access?
I
hope
there
are
clear
plans
as
to
how
we
plan
to
use
this
money.
Well,
I'm
not
sure
why
this
is
on
the
table
today.
E
I
can't
see
voting
for
the
release
of
funds
here
today
until
we
have
some
assurances
that
this
money
will
be
spent
wisely,
because
today
we
have
not
seen
that
happen.
So
I
say
madam
chair
no
plan,
no
money.
We
have
to
stop
this
nonsense
at
some
point.
We
deserve
to
know,
what's
going
on
to
happen
when
we
hand
over
millions
of
dollars.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
G
No
just
thank
you,
we
we
heard
you
and
I'm
not
the
right
person
to
respond,
but
we
heard
what
you're
asking
thank
you.
Thank
you.
A
So
I
just
wanna-
and
I
know
council
president
clark
and
you
know
what
he
doesn't
like
to
do
on
thursday-
spoke
to
this
and
councilman
dom.
You
know
as
chair
of
this
committee,
I
will
work
with
council
president
clark
that
so
when
this
before
this
bill
goes
to
a
final
vote,
that
we
have
some
of
the
items
that
you
have
highlighted.
I
know
for
all
of
us
in
council
the
issue
of
what
is
happening
locally
in
our
districts
as
well.
A
As
you
know,
city-wide
are
hugely
important
and-
and
I
know
that
for
just
today
we're
putting
together
a
fact
sheet
for
the
seventh
councilmanic
district
because
we're
getting
calls
about
what
is
going
on
in
the
seventh
council
district
and
trying
to
piece
that
together
for
people,
my
staff
has
been
working
on
that
and
you're
right.
We
should
have
that
readily
available.
When
my
mother
calls
me
about
an
88
year
old
parishioner
yesterday
as
she
leaves
church,
I
should
be
able
to
answer
her
right
away
now.
A
I
made
some
phone
calls
and
I
was
able
to
get
her
for
an
answer,
but
you're
right.
You
know
you
know
I
think
they're
doing
a
better
job
with
the
website,
this
inability
to
put
together
a
master
list.
I've
often
said
in
this
council.
I
have
my
parents
on
eight
lists.
It
was
just
you
know.
It
was
ridiculous,
so
you're
right
to
demand
that
I
think
we're
looking
for
that.
A
I
think
commissioner
farley
spoke
to
some
of
that
last
week
in
the
hearing
and
made
some
commitments
around
the
dashboard
so
that
we
can
get
real-time
information.
G
B
A
Council
president
clark
said,
if
that's
on
thursday
we're
going
to
make
sure
that
council,
particularly
district
council
people,
are
working
with
their
providers
in
their
districts
and
making
sure
that
we
have
more
access.
I
also
asked
farley
on
on
friday.
You
know
if
we
know
that
there's
a
disparity
and
while
we
want
to
acknowledge
the
move
from
eight
percent
african
american
accessibility
to
20,
but
we're
not
going
to
get
to
parity
if
we
don't
over
subscribe
to
neighborhoods.
You
know
in
the
way
that
dr
stanford
did
on
on
friday
and.
A
You
know
seniors
in
the
senior
line
in
the
building
as
frequently
as
they
could,
and
you
know
it
was
a
massive
operation
and
I
was
there
when
dr
stanford
had
to
call
and
get
more
vaccines,
and
I
and
I
know
that
the
administration
responded
and
provided
those
additional
vaccines
on
friday
night
around
nine
o'clock
at
night
when,
when
you
know
when
it
was
clear
that
that
they
were
doing
such
a
successful
job,
that
more
were
needed
and
so
we're
not
where
we
need
to
be.
A
I'm
I'm
absolutely
wanna,
just
reiterate
that
what
you've
been
asking
for
is
basic
and
we're
going
to
work
towards
that
and
if
we
don't
feel
like
in
a
week
or
two
when
this
gets
a
final
vote
that
we're
in
a
better
place.
I
will
join
you
in
not
giving
final
approval
to
this.
The
city
of
philadelphia
deserves
that.
So
completely
understand.
B
B
C
C
I
know
there's
been
a
lot
of
talk
about
his
current
covet
relief
proposal
and
funding
that
he
wants
to
provide
for
the
state
and
so
for
states
and
cities,
and
so
is
there
a
specific
dollar
amount
that
we're
going
after
do
you
have
any
projected
numbers
that
that
you
are
calculating,
as
a
part
of
you
know,
the
upcoming
budget
process,
just
thinking
ahead
of
time.
G
Yeah
no
thank
you.
I
have
to
say
it
is
exciting
to
be
lobbying
the
white
house
with
optimism,
and
so
we
haven't
built
any
numbers
into
our
fy
22
budget.
In
order
for
us
to
do
that,
it
has
to
be
in
law.
We
have
been,
however,
very
much
lobbying
the
white
house
telling
them
what
we
need,
how
much
we
need
doing
this
on
our
own,
but
also
partnering
with
other
cities.
G
I
know
we
signed
on
to
rob
signed
on
to
a
letter
with
cfos
from
big
cities
across
the
country
about
a
week
or
two
ago,
we've
worked
with
our
lobbyists.
The
short
version
of
what
we
are
saying
is:
we
need
a
lot
of
money.
We
need
it
to
come
directly
to
us
not
filtered
through
the
state,
and
we
need
it
to
be
really
flexible.
G
We
need
to
not
only
be
able
to
cover
some
of
the
pandemic
costs,
but
also
address
the
revenue
losses,
we've
sustained
as
well,
so
that
we
can
continue
to
provide
for
government
services.
So
that
is
something
we
have
very
actively
been
doing.
It
has
also
been
great
that
we
have
been.
You
know
able
to
participate
through
various
organizations.
Members
of
council
have
also
helped
facilitate
some
of
those
connections
through
on
national
league
of
cities
and
other
organizations,
so
we
are
very
actively
advocating
for.
G
Please
give
us
a
lot
of
money,
flexible
money
directly
to
us.
We
can't
yet,
however,
budget
that
into
our
fy
22
until
we
see
a
bill,
that's
passed.
We
are
hopeful
that
something
will
happen
mid-march
and
that's
in
part,
or
that
is
you
know
the
primary
driver
for
why
we've
delayed
our
budget
introduction
this
year
to
mid
april,
because
we
want
to
have
that
information
and
know
about
those
dollars
before
we
introduce
the
fy
22.
C
Budget
then
also
there
was
a
announcement
last
week
that
currently
the
projected
above
budget
deficit
is
450
million.
Is
that
correct?
C
Yes,
do
you
know
what
areas
have
already
been
cut
thus
far
to
make
up
for
the
deficit,
the
450
deficit,
obviously
that
money
had
to
come
from
somewhere
in
terms
of
making
some
tough
choices?
G
So
at
this
point,
what
we're
continuing
to
say
is
everything's
on
the
table
because
we're
still
working
towards
introduction
what
we've
been
doing
is
a
number
of
different
things.
We've
been
working
with
our
departments
to
understand
how
they
could
do
things
different,
how
their
services
have
realigned,
how
their
costs
are.
Changing
we've
also
been
trying
to
do
a
lot
more
outreach
and
engagement
so
that
we
understand
that
people's
service
needs
have
changed
in
the
past
year
and
what
they
want
is
different.
We've
already
shifted
a
lot
of
our
you
know.
G
A
year
ago
we
weren't
putting
money
into
nearly
as
much
rental
assistance
or
getting
folks
on
the
internet.
So
you
know
the
food
support,
so
we've
already
shifted
some
of
what
we're
doing.
We
know
that
people's
needs
have
changed
so
actually,
I
would
love
help
from
council
helping
us.
We
have
been
doing
focus
groups
with
a
number
of
different
internal
external
groups
to
the
city.
We've
also
put
out
a
multilingual
survey
to
philadelphians
asking
for
their
input,
and
so
you
know
we're
gathering
as
much
of
right
now.
G
We
are
trying
to
understand
what
folks
need
and
that's
gonna
help
us
decide
what
is
then,
you
know
funded
in
our
proposal.
We
are
also
really
hopeful
that
that
450
million
dollar
budget
gap
gets
addressed
in
some
part
by
funding
from
the
federal
government.
One
of
our
concerns,
though,
is
that
the
money
coming
from
the
feds
will
be
one-time
money,
whereas
those
budget
gaps,
we
see
reoccurring.
G
So
even
if
that
number
is
more
than
450
million
we're
not
in
the
clear
because
we're
going
to
have
to
stretch
that
money
out
and
make
it
last
over
our
at
least
our
five-year
plan,
or
you
know
when
we
think
that
you
know
our
revenue
streams
are
going
to
recover.
So
we're
not
there
yet
in
terms
of
what
what's
in
the
budget?
What's
not
we're
really
lobbying
hard
so
that,
hopefully
there's
more
money
in
the
budget,
but
also
trying
to
understand
from
folks
what
are
their
needs?
In
particular,
last
year,.
C
And
the
last
part
stephen's
last
question
is,
I
know,
having
an
impact
regarding
which.
C
Philadelphia:
what's
the
dollar
amount,
that
has
impacted
our
budget
since
people
have
been
working
from
home?
Can
you
give
us
that
number.
G
Sure
so
we
don't
you're
it's
at
this
point,
pretty
much
impossible
to
tease
out
how
much
is
because
folks
are,
you
know
we're
not
getting
it
because
they're
working
in
the
suburbs
versus
they
lost
that
job
versus
their
hours
were
cut
versus
the
salary
was
cut.
So
we
don't
have
the
data
to
really
pull
it
apart,
but
we
had
incorporated
that
into
our
wage
tax
estimates,
and
so
our
wage
tax
we're
expecting
to
be
about
115
million
dollars
less
in
fy
20
than
it
was
in
fy.
G
I'm
sorry,
115
million
dollars
less
than
fy
21
than
it
was
in
fy
20
and
that's
keeping
in
mind.
Fy
20's.
Fourth
quarter
was
a
coveted
quarter,
and
that
was
bad
too.
So
we
factored
in
those
commuter
costs
as
well
as
all
the
other
reasons
why
our
wage
tax
is
is
dropping.
You
know,
as
residents
have
lost
their
jobs
as
they've
lost
hours
as
they've
had
salary
reductions.
G
So
it's
all
in
there
together.
We
know
some
of
the
city's
largest
employers
have
already
started,
had
already
changed
their
withholding
for
their
folks
that
were
commuters
who
were
staying
outside.
So
some
of
that's
already
in
the
numbers
we're
seeing,
but
I
mentioned
that,
while
waiting
to
see
what
happens
with
federal
dollars
is
a
lot
of
why
we
wanted
to
delay
the
budget
introduction
this
year.
G
Also,
we
continue
to
want
to
have
more
experience
with
our
revenue
collections
and
so
now,
as
the
time
of
folks,
have
gotten
their
w-2s
that
folks,
whose
employer
hasn't
changed
their
w-2
will
be
coming
to
us
for
refunds,
those
commuters.
It
is
too
early
as
of
right
now
to
sort
of
get
a
sense
of
the
scale
of
that,
but
over
the
coming
weeks.
That's
what
we
expect
to
be
able
to
see
is
what
are
those
refund
requests
from
those
non-residents?
G
Looking
like
so
we
you
know,
we've
we've
made
some
projections,
and
now
we're
in
the
phase
of
trying
to
you
know
see
how
on
target
those
projections
were
in
our
quarterly
city
managers
report
we
did
have
to
based
on
our
experience
collecting
so
far
this
year
bring
down
our
wage
tax
estimate
from
where
it
was,
and
so
it's
something
we
are
really
carefully
watching
on
a
weekly.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you,
marissa.
Just
one
last
thing,
because
you
guys
heard
me
say
this
last
week:
how
does
the
water
commissioner
go
and
ask
for
a
17
increase
when
we're
all
of
these
things
are
in
flux?
Was
the
administration
aware
of
this?
How
you
know
the
messaging
again?
This
is
about
messaging.
G
Yeah
I
hear
you
about
the
messaging
and
we
can
go
back.
I
think
that
there's
some
requirements
around
the
timing
for
the
rate
cases
where
they
don't
have
the
same
flexibility
to
wait,
but
I
will
I'll,
try
and
find
out
what
the
timing
was
and
just
and
get
you
more
information
about
the
thought
process.
There.
A
Is
there
any
discussion
about
the
administration
about
holding
holding
back
on
that?
I
think
you
know
again
until
we
understand
what
the
federal
package
looks
like
until
we
we're
sitting
here,
trying
to
figure
out
new
ways
to
provide
rental
assistance
and
all
of
this
stuff,
and
then
in
the
mix
of
that
you
get
that
kind
of
messaging.
A
It's
it's
it's
quite
challenging
and
and
frustrating
you
know
we're
trying
to
reassure
folks
that
we
know
we
have
to
tighten
our
belt,
that
we
want
to
be
better
stewards
of
people's
money
that
we're
going
to
realign
this
stuff,
and
then
that
comes
out
of
nowhere.
I
just
think
it
really
adds
to
already
trauma
and
tension
by
you
know
the
working
poor
with
such
I
mean
it's
so
drastic
double-digit
increases
of
anything
during
a
pandemic
and
the
last
time
they
went
for
a
run
increase
at
11.
A
They
got
one
percent
from
the
raid
board
and
that
was
pre
pandemic
in
a
post
pandemic
world.
I
don't
even
know
how
they
think
that's
even
possible
yeah.
We
we're
calling
on
the
administration
to
really
rescind
that.
I
think
people
need
to
take
a
step
back.
There's
a
commitment
by
president
biden
for
a
lot
of
infrastructure
money,
not
saying
that
we
don't
need
some
of
the
infrastructure
stuff.
I
saw
the
water
main
breaks.
A
I
I'm
very
clear
around
all
of
that
stuff,
but
the
messaging
to
poor
people
in
the
mix
of
that
when
we
know
there's
going
to
be
infrastructure,
investments
happening
from
the
federal
government-
it's
just
like
the
timing
is-
is
off
totally
off.
I'm
going
to
recognize
councilman
dom
who
has
an
additional
question
councilman,
dom.
E
I
would
like
to
see
us
marissa
prepare
a
budget
preparing
for
the
worst
and
hoping
for
the
best
and
and
then
also
have
a
checklist
of
what's
most
like
if
we
have
to
reduce
certain
things
which
of
those
reductions
would
be
the
most
important
for
us
to
restore
based
on
every
million
dollars.
If
we
get
the
money,
we
may
not
get
the
money.
I
think
we
have
to
be
ready
that
and
show
the
government
that
you
know
if
we
don't
get
the
money.
E
G
G
One
is
the
man
it's
something
which
means
it
helps,
but
it
doesn't
fully
address
our
needs
and
then
we've
got
the
oh
dear
lord
scenario,
which
is
nothing
or
minimal,
and
so
we
are
sort
of
thinking
through
what
those
look
like
in
prioritizations.
We
work
with
our
internal
budget,
equity
committee
and
other
folks
to
weigh
in
so
we
understand
you
know
in
each
of
those
in
each
of
those
scenarios.
G
Where
are
we?
What
do
we
want
to
do?
One
of
the
things
we
talk
about
and-
and
you
know
we've
heard
you
say-
is
that
we're
not
just
thinking
about
cuts.
We
know
there's
actually
some
areas
we're
going
to
need
to
make
new
investments,
even
if
that
means
deeper
cuts
elsewhere,
and
so
that's
in
the
mix
as
we're
thinking
this
through
and
working
our
way
towards
the
budget
proposal
for
april
15th.
E
With
a
guideline
for
you
to
go
back
to
look
at
the
budget
of
2015
2016
and
see
all
the
categories,
because
I
would
say
this,
I
think
most
people
right
now
we
could
return
to
the
levels
of
2016,
especially
in
the
hospitality
world.
They
would
be
ecstatic.
Okay,
so
is
it?
Is
that
a
guideline
that
we
could
go
back
to
the
budgets
of
15
and
16?
Realizing
you
can't,
but.
G
Everything,
well
I
mean
so
that's
a
challenge,
that's
an
approach,
I
think
that's
challenging
for
us,
because
we
could
go
back
to
the
dollar
figures,
but
the
cost
of
things
have
changed
and
the
things
we
want
have
changed
and
so
we're.
So
we
can
go
back
to
that,
but
you
know
there's
certain
costs
that
we
we
can't
control
our
insurance
costs.
G
There's
you
know
certain
pension
costs,
so
just
saying
go
back,
doesn't
help
us
make
sure
we
can
say:
do
we
want
the
service
levels
we
had
then,
and
then
try
and
figure
that
out,
but,
as
we've
been
looking
at
things,
I
think
getting
us
2015
service
levels.
We
can't
buy
those
at
2015
prices
right
now,
something's
more
some
things
less.
So
we
have
to
really
just
think
about
what
what
is
the
appropriate
level
of
service
delivery
and
what
is
the
most
efficient
way?
G
We
can
deliver
that
service,
and
so
that's
how
we're
thinking
about
how
where
we
toggle
back,
is
you
know?
What
is
the
service
level
that
we
want
to
be
providing
in
different
areas.
E
E
E
Think
15-
and
I
I
don't
home
into
this-
I
think
we're
close
to
three
point:
nine
or
four
billion.
Hopefully
so
I'm
looking
at
this
and
saying:
okay,
there's
700
million
we've
increased
in
four
or
five
years
granted,
there's
rates
of
inflation
and
so
forth.
But
I
don't
think
the
rates
of
inflation
are
amounting
to
the
level
of
increase
which
is
like
18
or
19.
G
No
and
and
you're
right
there
have
been
areas
where
we've
dramatically
increased
our
funding,
particularly
around
education,
and
so
that's
why
we,
you
know,
are
those
the
areas
we'd
want
to
pull
back.
First,
I
think,
is
the
question
they
asked.
We've
dramatic,
you
know:
we've
the
pre-k
class
community
schools,
the
increased
funding
for
ccp
and
for
the
school
district
are
the
you
know,
that's
where
a
lot
of
the
increase
has
been
the
share
of
the
budget.
That
goes
to
education
since
then
has
shifted
and
that's
actually
a
lot
of.
G
G
Looking
at
priorities
is
that
where
we
still
want
to
be
or
is
that
an
area
we
want
to
toggle
back
and
that's
that's
what'll,
you
know
go
into
the
mayor's
analysis
of
what
proposal
it
comes
back,
but
we
yeah
we're
looking
at
where
we've
grown
and
were
those
that
you
know
doing
again,
would
we
make
those
choices
and
in
some
areas
the
answer
is
likely?
Yes,
in
some
areas,
the
answer
is
going
to
be
no.
E
And
also
even
that
the
budget
of
4
billion
that
was
back
in
15
or
16,
I'm
sure
there
was
excess
in
that
budget
that
could
have
been
reduced.
So
I'm
looking
at
this
and
saying
like
what
do
you
think
the
shortfall
is
going
to
be
for
this
year?
Is
it
a
200
million
shortfall?
Is
it
300
million?
How
much
does
it
shortfall.
G
So
we're
thinking
the
shortfall
for
fy22
absent
an
additional
round
of
federal
relief
is
450
million
the
cost.
Basically,
that's
the
difference
between
our
current
revenue
estimates,
which
we'll
continue
to
tweak
and
we'll
kick
around
at
the
federal
reserve,
with
a
bunch
of
economists
in
the
middle
of
next
month,
but
our
current
revenue
estimates
plus
our
starting
fund
balance,
which
is
a
poultry
29
million.
You
know
we
went
into
fy
20,
with
438
million.
G
We
don't
have
very
much
cushion,
but
continuing
to
provide
our
current
level
of
services
will
cost
us
more
than
five
billion.
Because
of
you
know,
just
you
know,
there's
this
year's
cost
and
then
there's
areas
where
we
see
that
there
are
increases
that
are
just
sort
of
unavoidable
out
of
our
control
or
other
things.
So
that's
that's
where
we
get
that
gap
is
just
looking
at
current
level
of
services.
What
would
that
cost
to
deliver?
How
much
revenue
do
you
think
we'll
have
right
now?
E
E
A
Thank
you,
councilman,
and
you
know
I.
I
always
caution
folks
when
we
talk
about
going
back,
because
we've
all
agreed
that
going
back
was
not
good
for
a
lot
of
people,
and
so
I
really
believe
that
we
have
to
challenge
you
know,
and
the
budget
will
be
very
tense
in
this
in
this
way,
because
I
I
agree
with
you,
you
know
what
we,
how
we
were
running
government
and
its
efficiencies,
we're
a
long
way
from
that.
You
know
the
the
administration
has
a
plan
that
they
submitted
to
pica
for
overtime.
A
I
I
am
of
the
belief
that
we
have
departments
with
historical
overtime
issues
and
it's
the
same
people
every
year.
We
know
who
they
are
and
if
their
overtime
is
not
producing
outcomes,
then
it's
again
it's
not
being
managed
around
that
piece,
but
I
always.
I
don't
want
folks
to
think
that
we're
going
to
go
back
to
the
disparities
that
existed
in
government
before
and
that
that
we're
going
to
abandon
our
commitment
to
to
to
the
most
vulnerable
and
you're
right
people
don't
feel
the
same
level
of
service.
A
So
it's
it
is
a
challenge.
It's
you
know,
that's
why
zero
based
budgeting
is
important,
because
I
think,
if
there's
any
time
in
the
history
where
we
would
be
doing
it
is
on
after
a
pandemic
and
saying
we
can't
go
back,
you
know
we
really
have
to
move
forward
in
a
more
equitable
way.
So
I
I
agree
with
you
with
that.
A
I'm
you
know
I'm
very
cautious
about
us
saying
five
percent
cuts
across
the
board
10
cuts
across
the
board,
because
you
know
those
formulas
are
not
going
to
work
for
the
government
we'd
like
to
see
it's
just
not
going
to
be
fair.
Thank
you,
marissa.
Is
there
any
other
questions
for
these
for
from
the
committee?
No
other
witnesses
here
to
testify.
A
I
will
ask
that
if
there's
anyone
else
present,
whose
name
we
failed
to
call-
and
that
wishes
to
offer
testimony
of
any
of
these
bills
being
considered
today
to
hearing
none,
I
want
to
thank
all
the
panel
and
witnesses
for
their
participation.
Today
we
value
the
opinions
we
invite
all
panel
and
witnesses
to
please
disconnect
from
the
meeting
before
we
go
into
our
public
meeting.
We
will
now
pause
briefly
as
multiple
participants
leave.
A
A
Thank
you.
We
will
now
go
into
our
public
meeting
councilman
dom
I
just
got
to
know
from
you.
Did
you
want
to
put
that
on
the
record.
E
A
A
E
I
just
feel
that
we'll
have
a
better
plan
if
we
hold
the
vote
on
this
now,
so
they
know
that
we
mean
real
business
here.
Otherwise
I
think
we
lose
some
benefits
by
proving
it
out
of
committee.
I
think
we
don't
approve
it
out
of
committee.
I
think
the
administration
will
understand
that
they
really
have
to
dig
in
and
give
us
a
plan,
but
I'm
willing
to
go
along
with
the
committee.
If
you
think
differently.
That's
just
my
opinion.
D
Okay,
this
is
councilmember
thomas.
I
I
understand
council
member
dom's
reluctance,
but
I
do
get
that
we
can
put
ourselves
in
a
position
to
say
that
we
won't
bring
it
to
a
final
vote
until
we
have
an
actual
plan.
So
I
I'm
I
can
go
either
way
honestly,
but
I
I
do
get
the
concern
around
the
plan.
I
think
just
you
know
basic
simple
questions
like
you
know,
and
even
you,
madam
chair,
had
questions
that
just
couldn't
be
answered
today,
because
the
information
wasn't
there,
so
I
I
I
can
go
either
way.
C
Yeah,
madam
chair
and
we've
been
through
this
process
before
in
the
past,
I'm
comfortable
with
voting
it
out
of
committee,
with
a
caveat
that,
before
we
move
on
a
final
vote
on
the
floor
to
all
of
the
questions
that
council
member
dom
as
well
as
the
other
members
have
provided
to
the
administration
in
terms
of
the
actual
plan,
so
they
can
feel
comfortable
and
final
vote.
C
That's
that
would
be
my
approach.
That's
what
I
think
this
should
be
done
from
my.
B
Perspective,
madam
chair,
this
is
bobby
heenan.
You
know
I
want
to
echo
what
the
members
of
the
committee
have
have
been
talking
about
with
you
know,
getting
a
little
more
of
a
clear
plan,
I'm
going
to
vote
it
at
a
committee
with
that
understanding
prior
to
final
passage,
and
just
remember
once
it
hits
the
floor
of
city
council,
it
opens
itself
up
the
appropriation
bill
to
a
lot
more
members
of
council
who
I'm
sure
are
looking
for
a
lot
more
clarity
themselves.
E
B
A
Councilman,
remember
dom
I'm
I'm
inclined
to
to
to
agree
with
you
and
if
it
wasn't,
because
we
were
dealing
with
covet
and
trying
to
put
plans
together-
and
I
know,
for
instance,
in
my
district
as
I've
expressed
to
you-
we're
working
with
several
providers
that
finally
are
getting,
you
know
are
being
part
of
this
plan.
I
would,
I
would
also
hold
it
up
at
the
committee,
because
I
don't
think
the
administration
has
taken
your
concerns
as
seriously
as
they
should,
and
that
concerns
me
because
today
you
know
your
issue.
A
You've
been
very
clear
on
this
issue.
All
of
us
on
this
committee
have
been
in
similar
situations
where
we've
had
a
concern
and
we
don't
really
feel
like
the
administration
is
listening
and
I
don't
you
know
we're
in
a
at
a
time
where,
where
you
know
the
administration
needs
to,
you
know
to
take
your
particular
concerns.
You
know
the
dashboard
again.
Councilwoman
bass
and
the
rest
of
the
members
of
the
committee
on
friday
were
very
clear
about
several
issues.
A
The
bill
at
hand
that
you're
most
concerned
on
about
which
is,
you
know,
bill
21.
I
will
tell
you
that
if
we
don't
have
a
plan
by
the
time,
this
goes
to
a
full
vote
in
two
weeks.
I'd
be
the
first
one
to
join
you
and
not
call
it
for
a
final
vote.
As
chair
of
this
committee,
I
have
the
authority
to
do
that,
and
I
want
your
you
know.
I
want
you
to
understand
that
I
will
stand
with
you
on
that,
because
we
are
very
concerned.
A
My
only
concern
with
this
is
there
are
some
plans
that
are
moving
forward
and
I
don't
want
to
prohibit
the
administration
from
moving
forward
in
those
those
include
some
additional
work
with
the
black
doctors
and
again
some
of
my
federally
certified
health
centers
in
in
the
district,
but
I
hope
that
they
understand
that
we
are
serious
about
it,
and
I
agree
with
my
colleagues
that
this
would
not
be
the
first
time
we
hold
something
up
on
the
floor.
If
we
don't
feel
like
people
are
being
heard.
E
A
A
My
concern
is:
there
are
some
plans
that
are
moving
forward
and
I
don't
wanna
limit
the
the
administration's
ability
to
set
up
those
things
to
get
a
plan
in
order,
if
in
a
week
and
again,
council
president
committed
to
this
last
thursday,
if
in
a
week
we
don't
see
more
materialized
cohesiveness
on
the
citywide
plan,
I
think
the
members
of
this
committee,
councilman,
heenan,
johnson
and
isaiah
thomas,
have
all
committed
that
we
will
not
call
it
up
for
a
vote
and
we,
you
know
they
have
to
take
this
serious.
A
So
I
hope
that
that
is
sufficient
for
you,
I'm
completely.
Okay
with
you
voting
no
on
this
bill.
If
you
want
to
set
the
record
straight
for
yourself,
you
know
we're.
Okay,
with
that,
we
have
two
other
bills,
because
these
are
three
bills,
but
please
feel
free
to
vote
against
this
bill,
and
we
will
join
you
in
calling
on
the
administration
to
provide
that
dashboard.
A
Real-Time
information,
a
real
plan
that
looks
at
equity
recognizing
that,
in
order
to
get
to
that
more
equitable
situation,
we
have
to
overcompensate
and
that
there
be
established
goals
as
we
get
more
more
vaccines,
we're
up
to
30
something
thousand
a
week.
I
hope
that
in
two
weeks,
where
we're
debating
on
where
to
distribute
50
000
of
those,
so
I
agree
with
you
totally.
A
A
Thank
you.
The
chair
recognizes
councilmember
johnson
for
a
motion
on
bill
2-1-0-1-2-0,
actually
on
a
motion
on
the
amendment.
Thank.
C
C
A
F
F
A
Okay,
it
has
been
moved
and
properly
seconded
that
the
amendment
to
bill
two
one
zero
one,
two
zero
be
approved,
all
those
in
favor
say
yeah.
We
did
that,
I'm
sorry,
the
yeast
have
it
and
the
mo
the
amendment
to
the
bill
has
been
approved.
I'm
trying
to
follow
the
script.
The
chair
recognizes
council
member
johnson
for
a
motion
on
the
bill
as
amended
for
bill.
C
C
A
All
those
in
favor
it
has
been
moved
improperly.
Second,
that
bill
number
one:
two
one:
zero
one:
two
zero
as
amended,
be
reported
from
this
committee
with
a
favorable
recommendation
and
further
move
that
the
rules
of
the
council
be
suspended
to
permit
first
reading
of
this
bill
at
the
next
council
session,
all
those
in
favor
say:
aye
aye,.
A
The
chair
recognizes
council
member
johnson
for
a
motion
on
bill.
Two
one:
zero,
zero,
seven,
seven.
C
A
A
Those
opposed
the
the
eyes
have
it,
and
the
motion
carries
now.
This
is
the
bill
council
member,
dom.
The
chair
recognizes
council
member
johnson
for
a
motion
on
bill.
Two
one
zero
one,
two
one.
C
A
I
need
a
second
second
thank
you.
The
bill
has
been
moved
and
properly.
Second,
that
bill
number
two
one
zero
one,
two
one
be
reported
from
this
committee
with
a
favorable
recommendation
and
further
move
that
the
council,
the
rules
accounts,
will
be
suspended
to
permit
first
reading
at
the
next
council
session.
All
those
in
favor
say
I
I,
I
suppose.
A
The
record
reflect
the
councilman
member.
Alan
dom
has
voted
against
it
that
the
eyes
have
it,
and
the
motion
carries
the
this
concludes
the
business
before
this
committee
on
appropriations.
Today,
I
want
to
thank
all
the
council
members
and
again
council
member
don.
We
agree
with
you
and
we
hope
that
the
administration
will
heed
to
the
call
on
such
an
important
issue.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
to
all
the
members.