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The Committee on Housing, Neighborhood Development and The Homeless of the Council of the City of Philadelphia held a Public Hearing on Tuesday, September 29, 2020, at 9:30 AM, in a remote manner using Microsoft® Teams to hear testimony on the following items:
200408 Resolution authorizing the Philadelphia City Council Committee on Housing, Neighborhood Development and the Homeless to hold public hearings on the impact of COVID 19 on homelessness, evictions, and residential foreclosures and the City’s efforts to combat homelessness, evictions, and residential foreclosures.
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I
now
note
that
the
hour
has
come.
Mr
weiss,
will
you
please
call
the
roll
to
take
attendance
members
that
are
in
attendance?
Will
please
indicate
that
you
are
present
when
your
name
is
called
also,
please
say
a
few
brief
words
when
responding
so
that
your
image
will
be
displayed
on
screen
when
you
speak.
E
B
B
B
Good
morning,
everyone
thank
you
to
the
members
of
this
committee
to
liz
hirsch
and
her
team
at
the
office
of
homeless
services
and
to
everyone
watching
at
home
for
joining
us
for
this
important
conversation,
homelessness,
housing
and
security
and
affordable
housing
are
some
of
the
most
pressing
issues
facing
our
city.
Today,
we
were
already
facing
a
housing
crisis
even
before
the
pandemic.
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B
To
give
you
a
sense
of
the
scale
of
this
problem,
it
will
cost
74
million
dollars
each
month
to
eliminate
the
cost
burden
for
all
renters
across
the
city
and
clearly
these
statistics
suggest
that
there
are
not.
There
are
just
not
enough
affordable
housing
units
in
our
city
to
use
the
third
district.
As
an
example,
the
supply
of
affordable
housing
only
meets
25
of
the
affordable
housing
demands,
but
now,
as
a
result
of
the
severe
impact
the
pandemic
has
had
on
our
economy,
even
more
philadelphia
residents
are
at
risk
of
losing
their
homes.
B
This
means
that
philadelphians,
who
already
have
to
hustle
to
make
ends
meet,
are
at
increased
risk
of
losing
their
homes
without
an
additional
interventions
like
extending
eligibility
for
the
phfa
rental
assistance
program
and
extending
the
protections
in
the
emergency
housing
protection
act,
which
council
enacted
this
past
june.
With
the
support
of
this
committee,
more
people
will
need
help
and
will
end
up
on
a
friend
or
family
member's
couch
or
at
ohs's
front
door.
B
That
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
today
we'll
be
focusing
on
homelessness,
which
has
been
a
serious
challenge
in
philadelphia
for
many
years.
Both
the
city
government
and
the
city
council
have
worked
diligently
in
recent
years
to
prevent
homelessness,
to
serve
the
homeless
population
and
to
offer
people
experiencing
homelessness
a
path
towards
long-term
housing.
B
Housing
is
healthcare.
A
stable
home
is
at
the
foundation
of
a
stable
life,
and
so
it's
critical
that
housing
policy
is
front
and
center,
as
our
city
recovers
from
this
crisis.
Thank
you
so
much.
This
is
the
public
hearing
of
oh
wait.
A
minute.
Sorry
lost
my
place
a
little
bit.
Mr
weiss.
Will
you
please
read
the
titles
of
the
bills.
B
Before
we
begin
to
hear
testimony
from
the
witnesses
we
have
for
today,
everyone
who
has
been
invited
to
the
meeting
to
testify
should
be
aware
that
this
public
hearing
is
being
recorded,
because
the
hearing
is
public
participants
and
viewers
have
no
reasonable
expectation
of
privacy.
By
continuing
to
be
in
the
meeting,
you
are
consenting
to
being
recorded
additionally
prior
to
recognizing
members
for
the
questions
or
comments
that
they
have
for
witnesses.
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G
G
G
It
is
an
an
ongoing
crisis
that
has
been
exacerbated
by
coven
kovid.
I
think,
has
really
laid
bare
the
stark
realities
of
the
extreme
poverty
experienced
by
so
many
philadelphians,
especially
people
of
color,
who
have
been
disproportionately
hurt
by
the
pandemic
in
philadelphia.
While
african-american
people
comprise
44
of
the
city's
population,
they
comprise
75
percent
of
those
who
experience
homelessness
and,
as
jamie
said,
never
has
it
been
clearer
that
housing
is
health
care
when
the
stay-at-home
order
was
issued,
the
general
public
saw
what
we
all
knew
to
be
true
thousands
of
philadelphia.
G
G
We
have
largely
succeeded
in
keeping
people
safe
to
date,
contrary
to
myths
and
students
and
stereotypes
we
de-densified
beds,
we
went
to
grab-and-go
meals,
we
instituted
social
distancing.
We
require
use
of
masks
indoors,
we've
provided
more
hand
washing
and
encouraged
it
added
bed
barriers.
We
basically
did
all
the
same
things
that
all
of
us
are
doing
in
our
own
homes,
but
in
our
co
in
our
sites.
In
spite
of
the
extreme
supply
shortages
that,
as
you
recall,
we
had
in
the
first
few
months,
our
intake
sites
have
remained
open
throughout.
G
G
One
of
the
silver
linings
of
kovid
has
been
the
close
working
partnership
between
the
philadelphia
department
of
public
health
and
homeless
services
through
the
emergency
operations
center,
which
was
activated
in
march,
we've
worked
hand
in
hand
throughout
the
pandemic,
on
screening
response,
testing,
managing
and
guidance
for
services
for
people
who
are
homeless
the
city.
In
addition
to
instituting
these
steps,
established
a
quarantine
and
isolation
site
at
a
downtown
hotel.
G
The
purpose
of
this
site
is
to
provide
quarantine
space
for
people
who
don't
have
any
place
else
to
safely
await
test
results
who
are
symptomatic,
but
whose
symptoms
don't
rise
to
the
level
of
hospitalization
or
who
have
tested
positive
and
need
to
to
wait
out
the
14
days,
we're
going
to
continue
the
q
and
I
site
until
the
pandemic
is
over.
We
need
to
have
that
essential
service.
It's
one
of
the
ways
that
we
keep
people
safe.
We
also
established
two
convent
covid
prevention
spaces
at
downtown
hotels
with
a
total
of
260
rooms.
G
It
is
funded
by
federal,
fema
dollars
and
cares
money
not
by
the
city.
To
date,
we
have
served
nearly
200
people,
half
of
whom
have
come
from
the
street
and
of
those
70
are
60
or
older.
So
this
is
a
very
old
and
very
disabled
population
of
people.
This
has
also
been
one
of
the
silver
linings
is
to
see
them
come
inside
and
to
be
able
to
have
a
warm
soft
bed,
a
hot
shower
and
their
own
remote
control
to
the
tv,
and
it's
just
really
been
one
of
the
gifts.
G
One
of
the
also
things
that
had
one
of
the
other
things
that
happened
with
kovid
was
that
it
has
really
exacerbated
hunger
among
those
who
are
homeless
when
the
stay-at-home
order
went
into
effect
in
march.
One
of
the
immediate
and
dramatic
impacts
was
that
the
people
who
were
unsheltered
were
very
hungry.
We
started
to
get
literally
dozens
of
calls
from
security
guards,
police
center
city
district,
saying
that
people
were
saying
that
they
were
hungry.
G
We
had
had
to
close
our
daytime
sites
in
the
short
term
they've
now
reopened
because
of
social
distancing
and
broad
street
ministry.
One
of
austra,
our
stalwart
providers,
launched
what
a
program
called
step
up
to
the
plate,
which
is
a
partnership
with
project
home
and
prevention
point,
and
they
raised
2.5
million
dollars
in
philanthropic
money,
hired
out-of-work
caterers
to
make
food.
That
volunteers
then
distribute
daily
through
grab-and-go
bags
in
center
city,
south
philly,
kensington,
germantown
and
near
north
philly.
G
G
We
house
today
we're
very
closely
monitoring
the
economic
impact
on
of
covet
on
those
with
extremely
low
incomes,
those
who
have
lost
income
and
those
who
are
homeless
or
extremely
housing
and
secure,
and
we
are
have
been
able
to
expand
our
prevention
services
with
funding
that
came
from
cares.
That's
called
hap
or
homeless
assistance
program,
the
homeless
assistance
program
we've
also
gotten
some
prevention
funds
from
the
city's
housing
trust
fund
home
for
good,
which
comes
from
the
federal
home
loan
bank
and
phfa.
G
In
addition,
I
know
that
you
are
all
very
interested
in
the
cares:
esg
or
emergency
solutions
grant
money.
So
let
me
talk
about
that.
For
a
minute,
esg
or
emergency
solutions.
Grant
money
is
restricted
funding
in
its
use.
It
can
only
be
used
for
homelessness
prevention,
rapid
rehousing
outreach
and
shelter.
This
money
sunsets
on
september,
30th
2022..
G
G
About
half
of
this
funding
about
a
little
over
17
million
dollars
is
going
directly
to
backfill
programs
that
would
have
been
cut
due
to
the
loss
of
city
general
funds.
Without
this
backfill,
we
would
have
had
to
lay
off
about
17
people
and
close
take
offline
about
2500
shelter
beds.
Among
other
impacts.
G
This
means
that
ohs
will
be
facing
a
funding
cliff
and
fy
22,
representing
the
potential
loss
of
over
17
million
dollars
and
similarly
dire
impacts
in
the
loss
of
essential
crisis
services.
If
that
funding
is
not
replaced
next
year
of
the
remaining
cares
funds,
we
are
implementing
a
housing
surge.
Housing
cures
homelessness.
G
Together
with
existing
long-term
programs,
we
project
creating
at
least
900
housing
opportunities.
These
are
estimates
they're,
subject
to
change,
based
on
real
cost
and
availability.
We
are
going
to
pilot
a
tiny
house
village
of
10
to
12
units.
This
will
be
one
of
two
tiny
house
pilots.
This
one
is
not
the
liberation
homes
model
that
you
may
have
read
about.
This
is
a
seattle
model
or
what
we
call
the
seattle
model
each
bit.
Each
unit
is
actually
10
by
12..
G
It's
basically
a
bedroom
that
has
electricity
and
heat
and
then
there's
communal,
bathroom,
suite
and
kitchen,
and
we
do
have
city
land
available
for
that
we
are
also
having.
We
also
launched
a
shared
housing
program.
What
we
did
was
to
take
vacant
pha,
scattered
site
units
that
have
subsidy
attached
to
them.
We
renovated
them
to
meet
housing
quality
standards.
All
of
our.
We
cannot
pay
rent
to
anybody
for
anything.
G
If
we,
they
don't
meet
housing,
quality
standards
and
these
units
will
house
families
and
some
and
unrelated
adults
and
city
zoning,
as
you
know,
allows
three
unrelated
adults.
This
is
an
attempt
to
do
two
things
well,
actually,
three.
First,
it's
reactivating
vacant
scattered
site
units,
so
that's
better
for
neighborhoods.
G
We
are
also
expanding
our
shallow
rent
program.
Again,
this
is
a
little
different
than
the
the
planning
and
development
shallow
rent.
This
is
a
pilot
that
we
started
nearly
three
years
ago.
It
is
intended
it's
designed
to
house
at
a
less
costly
way,
people
who
have
permanent
disabilities,
so
they
live
on
a
fixed,
low
income,
extremely
low
income.
G
G
Rapid
rehousing,
we've
talked
about
a
lot.
This
is
a
program,
that's
very
much
promoted
through
hud.
It
is
a
12
to
24
month,
subsidy
with
housing
case
management.
It
is
a
light
touch
program,
it's
monthly
meetings
with
a
housing
case
manager
in
in
the
next
hispanic
community.
We
do
make
this
suite
of
services
available
without
becoming
homeless.
That
was
one
of
the
real
concerns
of
that
community,
so
we've
responded
by
piloting
a
different
model
and
we
have
now
just
launched
a
rapid
rehousing
from
the
street
program.
This
is
brand
new.
G
G
We,
as
you
all
know,
have
a
lot
of
buildings
in
this
city,
old
convents
and
group
homes,
etc
that
have
their
zones
for
multiple
people
to
live.
Their
shared
bathroom
shared
bathrooms
kitchens,
but
everybody
has
their
own
room.
So
again,
this
takes
advantage
of
existing
buildings
that
are
vacant.
It
gives
people
on-site
services,
they
have
their
own
room,
so
they
have
privacy
but
they're,
not
all
alone,
and
so
we
are
also
turning
to
make
putting
that
on
the
street.
G
I
will
say
that
prioritization
for
all
housing
opportunities
through
homeless
services
are
based
on
vulnerability.
We
do
an
assessment
with
everybody.
This
is
a
hud
requirement.
It's
also
a
way
of
ensuring
fairness
for
everybody.
I
used
to
be
that
the
person
who
yelled
the
loudest
or
had
the
most
aggressive
advocate
got
access
to
housing,
and
we
have
tried
to
make
this
a
system
that
is
fairer.
G
So
with
that,
oh
I
just
want
to
also
mention
that
the
esg
programs
that
I
mentioned
above
are
there
are
requests
for
proposals
on
our
website.
We
are
encouraging
new
providers,
we've
gotten
new
proposals
from
some
providers.
We've
never
worked
with
before
and
as
part
of
the
continuing
commitment
of
the
city
to
increase
diversity,
inclusion
and
equity
in
our
investment
of
public
dollars,
we're
trying
to
make
these
access
as
accessible
as
possible.
G
B
I
wanted
to
raise
a
point
from
last
week's
hearing
before
the
committee
on
fiscal
stability
and
intergovernmental
cooperation.
During
the
hearing
harvey
rice,
the
executive
director
of
the
pennsylvania
intergovernmental
cooperation
authority
said
many
city
departments
did
not
meet
their
performance
goals
for
fy
20..
B
G
The
number
of
that
that's
the
million
dollar
question
that
everybody's
asking
right
now.
What's
the
impact,
the
economic
impact
of
covid,
I
would
say
that
our
prevention
services
are
seeing
an
uptick
and
people
are
calling
about
rental
assistance.
Our
shelter
services
are
about
level.
Okay,
thank
you
and
family
services.
Family
homelessness
is
actually
down
and
demand
for
shelter
among
families
is
down.
We
don't
know
why.
We
think
it's
possible
that
families
are
just
holding
tight,
but
we
don't
really
know,
but
that's
been
a
trend
really
since
march.
B
G
You
betcha,
I
think
what
what
we
really
need,
there's
really
two
things
that
make
the
biggest
difference.
In
our
estimation,
in
in
in
really
preventing
and
ending
homelessness,
one
is,
I
would
invest
more
in
prevention.
I
think
there
are
more
individuals
when
you
look
at
the
number
that
over
10
000
people
entered
shelter.
I've
got
to
believe
that
some
more
of
those
people
could
be
stabilized
with
an
investment
of
prevention
that
they
have
resources.
G
They
just
can't
make
ends
meet,
so
I
I
would
put
more
into
prevention
and
we're
not
just
talking
about
evictions,
because
many
of
the
people
who
only
20
percent
of
the
people
who
come
to
our
door
are
the
actual
leaseholder,
either
they're
too
young
or
they've
been
homeless
too
long
or
something
in
between
that
they
just
are
they're
really
people
who
have
much
lower
incomes
and
they
need
a
longer.
They
need
a
longer
runway
to
take
off.
G
So
I
would
put
more
into
prevention
and
then
the
other
thing
I
would
do-
and
this
could
be
done
through
us
or
through
planning
and
development-
is
really
have
a
full-fledged
rent
city
rental
assistance
program.
As
I
said,
with
the
average
income
of
the
people
in
our
system
is
about
ten
thousand
dollars
a
year
and
if
you're
living
on,
if
you're
a
senior
and
you're
living
on
social
security
alone,
it's
about
eleven
thousand
dollars.
And
if
you
have
a
disability,
it's
less
than
ten
thousand
dollars.
G
That's
just
never
going
to
be
enough
to
make
to
pay
a
market
rent,
and
so,
in
our
view,
you
there's
only
two
ways
to
cut
it
right.
You
either
increase
incomes,
so
people
can
afford
a
market
rent
or
you
subsidize
the
rent
in
some
way
shape
or
form
so
that
people
can
stay
stable.
And
so,
if
I
had
the
wherewithal
I
I
would
I
I
believe
we
need
a
city
rental
assistance
program,
a
long-term
program
for
those
people
who
will
never
be
able
to
pay
a
market
rent.
B
I
also
want
to
take
a
moment
to
recognize
that
council
member
squilla
is
is
in
attendance
as
well
as
councilmember
kim
good
morning.
Okay,
let's
stay
on
prevention.
Remember
jones
as
well.
Hello,
remember
jones!
Good
morning,
my
vice
chair.
Thank
you
all
right.
Let's
stay
on
prevention
for
a
little
bit
over
1400
households
in
fy20,
receive
prevention
and
diversion
assistance.
B
We
understand
that
ohs
was
only
able
to
meet
about
25
of
the
demand
for
rent
assistance
in
fy
20
due
to
lack
of
funding.
Can
you
give
a
brief
description
of
prevention
and
diversion
services,
elaborate
on
the
effectiveness
of
prevention
and
diversion
in
terms
of
preventing
homelessness
and
estimate?
How
much
ohs
saves
for
every
dollar
of
investment
into
prevention
and
diversion
yep.
G
G
G
All
of
the
rental
assistance
is
really
working
with
them,
because
we
believe
it
really
needs
to
be
nested
ultimately
in
the
housing,
counseling
agencies
and
then
the
homelessness
prevention,
which
is
again
people
who
have
much
smaller
incomes.
Who
may
not
be
the
leaseholders.
We
are
working
much
more
with
them
and
we
are
moving
towards
much
more
towards
multi-month
assistance
so
that
they
really
can
stabilize
get
us
a
better
income
and
get
their
housing
situation
to
be
less
secure
and,
in
your
I'm
sorry,
more
secure,
less
insecure.
Sorry
about
that.
B
G
So
there's
not
a
lot
of
data
about
what
prevention
actually
saves,
because
the
question
is:
if
you're
successful,
you
can't
measure
it
right,
because
people
never
enter
shelter.
So
then
the
question
is:
would
they
have
entered
shelter
anyway?
Or
are
you
basically
over
serving
people
which
you
know
is
fine
with
me?
But
that's
not
the
purpose.
So
the
best
data
that
exists
nationally
suggests
that
about
20
of
those
who
serve
through
prevention
would
have
become
homeless,
and
so
we
estimate
that
we
save
about
four
dollars
for
every
dollar
that
we
spend.
Thank.
B
G
Yes,
of
course,
we
we
operate
between
43
and
46
emergency
sites.
It
used
to
be
that
those
sites
are
shelters.
We're
very
large.
We've
really
tried
to
move
to
much
smaller
sites,
they
work
better
they're,
they're
better
for
people,
we
get
better
outcomes
and
it
really
spreads
around
spreads
them
around
our
family
sites
all
have
individual
rooms.
Our
singles
sites
are
largely
congregate,
they're
all
over
the
city
we
have
at
when
we
did
our
housing
inventory
count.
Last
january
we
had
about
3
800
beds.
G
We
have
somewhat
fewer
than
that
at
this
time,
although
we
do
have
beds
available.
These
are,
generally
speaking,
very
low
demand.
We
do
not
do
drug
testing
for
entry,
although
you
may
not
bring
in
weapons
or
works,
we
do
have
curfews
in
all
of
our
sites,
mostly
because
people
are
sleeping
and
because
they're
in
neighborhoods
and
it's
just
darn
rude-
can
be
coming
in
and
out
at
all
hours.
So
we
do
that
and
we
do
provide
case
management,
one
case
manager
for
every
20
people.
G
Everyone
does
have
a
housing
plan,
they
do
work
with
their
case
manager
on
a
housing
plan.
In
addition,
we
have
we
have
no
time
limits,
although
our
average
day
in
shelter
is
86
days.
So
we
turn
over
our
beds
on
average
four
times
a
year.
There
are
some
exceptions
to
that
by
and
large
our
longest
stayers
are
megan's
law
offenders
because
they
have
the
hardest
time
finding
employment
and
permanent
housing.
G
B
G
G
Yeah,
mostly,
we
run
at
about
a
90
utilization
in
our
single
shelters.
We
are
seeing
family
homelessness,
go
down,
it's
dropped
by
25
since
2017,
so
we
are
looking
to
take
two
family
shelters
offline
and
convert
them
into
rapid
rehousing
rather
than
shelter
this
year.
So
we
are
evaluating
at
this
point
in
time.
What
we
philadelphia
doesn't
have
families
on
the
street
as
soon
as
there's
a
family.
G
We
m
we
swoop
in
and
and
get
them
housed,
and
we
house
families
together
and
if
it's
two
parents
of
the
same
gender,
if
it's
a
father
only
it
doesn't
matter,
we
house
them
together.
We
are
an
equal
access
system,
and
so
we
are
looking
at
our
family
shelter
supply.
But
at
this
point
in
time,
until
we
see
the
economic
impact
of
covid,
we're
very
reluctant
to
take
anything,
take
dramatic
action
and
reducing
the
supply
of
crisis
beds
that
are
available.
B
Thank
you.
I
have
a
few
questions
about
outcomes
in
this
area:
roughly
30
percent
of
consumers
who
utilize
emergency
or
temporary
housing
in
fy,
20
exited
to
permanent,
affordable
housing.
First,
can
you
give
us
context
for
this
data
and
then
can
you
talk
about
whether
there
are
difficulties
tracking
all
of
the
exits
from
emergency
housing
and
what
are
other
possible
outcomes
for
consumers.
G
Well,
I
think
the
the
context
is
exactly
the
information
that
you
provided
in
your
introduction
council
member.
It's
the
shortage
of
affordable
housing
that,
if
everybody
had
a
place
to
live
in
the
first
place
that
they
could
afford
and
an
adequate
income,
they
wouldn't
become,
they
likely
wouldn't
become
homeless,
or
we
would
certainly
be
seeing
much
smaller
numbers.
G
We
do.
We've
been
working
very
in
terms
of
your
second
question
around
data
completeness
and
quality.
This
has
been
something
that's
been
very
important
to
us.
It
is
one
of
our
performance
measures
is
data,
quality
and
completeness,
and
our
numbers
are
have
gotten
to
be
very
good
we're
at
about
90
percent,
but
we
still-
I
I
would
say
we
still
have
some.
You
know
we
always
have
a
way
to
go
with.
You
know
it's
it's.
You
know
it's
hard
to
sit
down
at
your
computer
and
write
all
right
down
right.
B
Great
thank
you
for
that
context.
I'd
like
to
dig
a
little
more
deeply
here.
Can
you
explain
ohs's
specific
role
in
helping
consumers
to
obtain
permanent
housing,
and
let
us
know
if
there
are
any
barriers
to
affordable
housing
that
consumers
leaving
the
shelter
system
encounter
aside
from
a
general
shortage
of
supply
in
the
low
incomes
of
consumers.
G
Yep,
so
our
housing
case
managers
work
with
everybody
on
a
housing
plan.
As
I
said
earlier,
we
do
an
assessment
of
everybody
and
those
who
are
most
vulnerable.
We
match
with
whatever
available
housing
we
have
in
this
administration.
We
have
invested
for
the
first
time
in
the
city's
history
city
general
funds
on
permanent
supportive
housing
to
try
and
reduce
the
numbers
of
people
on
the
street,
which
we
have
done.
G
The
numbers
have
gone
down
the
I
think
one
of
the
real
obstacles
is
really
the
nature
of
affordable
housing
over
the
last
about
20
years
or
so.
The
supply
of
affordable
housing
and
the
production
has
really
dwindled,
as
you
know,
and
by
and
large
that
what's
available,
is
affordable
only
to
people
who
are
at
higher
incomes.
So
in
order
to
get
into
a
low
income,
housing
tax
credit
development,
you
have
to
have
a
decent
credit
history,
you
don't
know
criminal
background,
you
know
people
who
have
a
lot
of
problems
coming
out
of
our
system.
G
You
know
they're
it's
a
leap
of
faith.
They
can
be
very
good
tenants,
but
they
do
require
services
and
the
ca
the
way
the
cash
flow
for
tax
credit
developments
work
makes
it
very
very
hard.
So
I
think
that's
really.
One
big
obstacle
is
just
the
nature
of
the
affordable
housing
system
and,
frankly,
the
the
other
big
sis.
The
other
big
issues
are
the
feeder
systems.
G
You
know
the
criminal
justice
system
is
probably
one
of
our
big
feeder
systems.
It's
not
at
all
unusual
for
people
to
exit
the
criminal
justice
system
and
come
right
to
shelter,
or
you
know
that
I
think
that's
probably
one
of
the
big
issues.
Hospitals
and
health
care
systems
also
are
one
of
our
big
feeders,
and
so
we're
really.
G
B
G
G
I
Hi
good
morning,
everyone,
I
think,
liz
you
covered
a
lot
of
information.
I
think
I
appreciate
the
questions
that
you
asked
councilwoman
and
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
we
deal
with
as
a
crisis
response
system
is
that
we
deal
with
some
serious
complexity,
not
only
with
behavioral
health
challenges
but
traumatic
issues,
loss
of
income,
fire
disasters.
I
So
when
individuals
that
do
come
to
our
front
door,
we're
we're
dealing
with
the
extreme
poor
population
that
really
comes
to
our
front
door.
I
think
one
of
the
things
you
talked
about
earlier
and
one
of
your
questions
was
about
funding
around
prevention.
You
know
we
really
would
have
to
do
some
type
of
study
or
dictate
some
type
of
study
of
what
that
would
look
like
in
terms
of
how
long
do
you
extend
that
funding,
whether
it's
three
to
six
months,
whether
it's
a
year
to
a
person,
increase
their
incomes?
I
You
know
philadelphia
is
still
dealing
with
income
and
quality
large
property
rate,
so
you
have
to
calculate
all
of
those
things
to
really
try
to
get
a
more
accurate
reflection
on
how
much
funding
that
you
would
dedicate
to
prevention
care.
But
I
think
liz
you
did
a
really
good
job
of
really
displaying
and
covering
the
majority
of
the
things
that
we
need.
Of
course,
if
there
were,
you
know
lease
restrictions
on
the
dollars,
we
can
be
more
flexible
around
there.
E
Thank
you.
I
had
a
couple.
Thank
you
so
much
for
the
entire
team
and
thank
you,
madam
chair,
for
pulling
this
together.
I
think
it's
important
that
we
do
kind
of
a
reset
around
what
services
we're
offering.
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
has
come
out
of
kovit
is
this
need
for
us
to
be
very
intentional
and
focus
around
these
historical
disparities
that
have
existed
but
liz.
You
mentioned
something
earlier
that
caught
my
attention
before
I
get
to
a
couple
of
my
questions
around
the
transitional
housing
no
longer
being
considered
evidence-based.
E
How
much
of
your
portfolio
is
in
transitional
housing
when
when
and
if
are
you
moving
away
from
that,
and
what
is
the
cost
per
person
and
family
in
those
product
lines
that
are
harder
to
fund,
and
do
you
also
believe
they're
they're,
you
know
they're
no
longer
evidence-based?
Is
it
that
they're
unsuccessful
or
how
would
you
advocate
or
articulate
that.
G
Those
are
really
good
questions.
We
have
about
a
thousand
transitional
housing
beds,
that's
about
half
of
what
we
used
to
have
the
way.
Hud
continuum
of
care
funding
comes
council
member
is
that
there's
a
set
amount
and
the
only
way
you
can
expand
the
supply
of
units
is
to
reduce
non-performing
providers.
It's
very
hunger
games.
So
that's
what
we've
been
doing
over
the
last
several
years
since
they
implemented
this
system
and
we
take.
G
I
think
that
rapid
rehousing,
you
know
it's
a
it's
a
decent
proxy,
it's
12
to
24
months,
it's
about
10
five
a
year,
so
it's
less
costly
than
transitional
transitional
is
very
good
for
veterans,
young
mothers
or
young
parents
with
their
children,
because
it's
very
service
rich.
It's
mostly
congregate,
although
people
have
their
own
rooms,
so
I
I
think
that
rapid
it
does
a
lot
and
I
does
a
lot
for
people.
I
don't.
I
don't
think
I
think
it's
a
decent
program.
G
I
think
that
really
the
it's
it's
distinguishing
between
people
who,
with
a
little
bit
of
help,
could
go
back
into
the
private
market.
You
know
that
they
could
work,
get
an
adequate
income
and
then
move
off
of
subsidy
altogether
versus
the
people
who
are
older,
have
been
disabled
a
long
time,
have
low
fixed
incomes
or
very
complicated
family
situations.
So
I
I
think
it's
really
trying
to
match
the
right
housing
strategy
with
the
individual,
and
I
think
that's
where
the
art
form
comes.
How.
G
Transitional,
it's
a
thousand
units
and
these
are
all
site
pages
yeah.
What
is
it
a
thousand?
It's
I
don't
know
exactly
how
many
buildings,
it's
all
site-based.
You
know,
for
example,
drooting
center
people's
emergency
center.
Those
are
some,
I
believe,
there's
some
veterans
housing.
Those
are
the
kinds
of
transitional
housing
and
they're.
All
I
think,
all
up
in
germantown,
I
think,
has
some
transitional
they're,
largely
hud-funded.
E
G
Yeah,
so
I
may
have
mis
misled
you
a
little
bit.
Some
of
these
are
the.
What
hud
has
determined
is
that
transitional
housing
is
appropriate
for
certain
pop
quote:
unquote
populations,
so
young
parents
being
one.
I
think
domestic
violence
is
another
veterans
who
have
a
history
of
trauma
is
another,
and
so
so
all
of
those,
so
our
most
of
our
transitional
housing.
At
this
point
really,
is
we
don't?
We
don't
really
have
a
transitional?
G
We
don't
have
a
transition
plan
for
it,
because
the
way
the
hud
rules
are,
we
would
have
to
figure
out
a
way
to
do
place
based
subsidy
of
some
sort,
and
we
really
can't
do
that
like
we
wouldn't
want
to
empty.
We
wouldn't
want
to
have
drooting
or
gleck
or
pec,
be
empty
right.
So
what
we've
tried
to
do
is
really
tailor
it
to
match
the
funding
and
the
model
with
the
people
who
can
benefit
all.
J
I
I
There
is
to
determine
what
what
is
the
right
amount
has
always
been
a
major
challenge,
and
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
covet
has
allowed
us
to
see
is
one
has
peeled
back
the
band-aid
off
a
lot
of
other
social
factors
that
goes
into
some
of
these
housing.
As
liz
indicated
earlier
hud,
you
know
a
few
years
back
was
really
really
pushing
strongly
to
reduce
transitional
housing.
To
turn
more
these
programs
into
more
permanent
house.
I
I
think
what
they're
starting
to
see
is
that,
as
cost
of
living
starting
to
increase
in
many
of
these
different
areas,
I
think
they
have
started
to
slow
down
also
on
that
approach,
but
we
would
love
to
partner
with
you
on.
You
know,
trying
to
figure
out
what
is
the
right
size
for
some
of
these
models
that
are
currently
we
have
in
philadelphia.
But
it's
a
million-dollar
question
that
we
just
don't
have
an
exact
answer
to
at
the
moment.
E
You
know
I
talk
to
a
lot
of
these
providers.
I
know
them
personally.
I
visited
their
sites,
you
know,
but
if
we
want
to
change
our
methodology
and
say
certain
people
at
15,
30
ami
are
going
to
need
permanent
support.
Then
we
need
to
provide
those
models
so
that
we
know
we're
subsidizing
them.
When
you
tell
people
you're
spending,
10
15,
20,
30
000
on
one
family
in
a
market
where
you
can
potentially
buy
them
a
house,
people
don't
understand
that.
E
I
just
think
we
need
to
move
to
models
that
really
promote
some
level
of
independence
and
some
level
of
permanency
real
quick,
because
I
don't
want
to
monopolize
my
time-
and
I
appreciate
the
count
the
chairwoman
for
allowing
me
to
come
in
since
I
have
to
go.
One
of
the
challenges
for
us,
as
you
know
in
kensington,
has
been
the
reluctance,
the
reluctancy
by
the
administration
to
come
up
with
an
encampment
policy
and
how
to
deal
with
homelessness.
E
I
think
it's
really
really
important
that,
in
order
for
us
to
get
people
to
support
additional
investments
in
this,
that
we
let
them
know
what
they
get
for,
that
right,
that
people
nobody
wants
to
see
people
in
the
street.
So
so
you
know
how
do
you?
What
what
are
the
lessons
learned
from
the
parkway
that
have
gotten
a
lot
of
attention
because
intended
to
spend
three
and
a
half
years?
And
you
know
not
always
as
much
whatever
have
we
learned
from
the
advocates?
G
Well,
I
think
the
the
parkway
is
a
very
different
situation,
because
it's
not
an
organic
encampment.
It
was
established
by
a
group
of
people
as
a
protest.
They
came
in
one
day
or
remember
the
day
well
and
set
up
a
bunch
of
tents,
and
then
they
went
and
got
homeless
people
and
moved
them
in.
So
it's
a
very
different
situation
than
kensington,
where
the
drug
trade
has
really,
I
think,
brought
people.
Unfortunately,
people
who
are
homeless
and
people
who
are
not
homeless
to
the
streets
of
kensington.
G
The
lessons
that
we've
learned
about
encampments
so
far
are
the
ones
we
learned
by
resolving
the
four
encampments
in
kensington
in
2018
and
2019,
and
that
is
providing
people
with
the
services
they
need
that
are
tailored
to
what
they
want
absent
the
ability
to
force
them
off
the
street.
We
have
to
entice
them,
bringing
services
to
them
like
mobile
drug
treatment
and
making
it
as
easy
as
possible
and
setting
a
time
limit
and
and
having
that
time
be
and
then
sticking
with
that
deadline.
G
As
you
know,
one
of
the
issues
that
we've
had
to
deal
with
is
that
the
courts
have
been
very
clear
that
you
can't
you
can't
take
tents
away
and
you
can't
move
people
unless
there
are
real
options
for
them,
and
so
that's
where
I
think,
that's
still
we're
still
trying
very
much
to
figure
out
how
to
do
this,
and
you
know
it's.
You
know
it's
still
a
very
important
question.
I
I
The
one
thing
that
it
has
shown
us
and
and
has
been
evidence
proof
is
that,
then,
if
you
invest
in
housing
opportunity
for
individuals,
you
will
see
people,
people
will
decide
to
go
in.
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
have
come
about
from
the
the
large
encampment
that's
been
on
the
parkway,
even
though
that
it
has
started
it
started
as
a
political
protest
around
the
need
for
investing
in
affordable
housing.
I
There
is
similar
common
denominator
that
goes
towards
both
camps
and
again,
people
can't
afford
places,
there's
a
lack
of
affordable
housing
in
the
city
of
philadelphia
where
people
just
want
access
to.
I
think
you
know
going
back
when
we
had
the
pha
relationship,
where
we
had
a
number
of
housing
opportunity
through
them.
We
saw
direct
results
and
vouchers
and
less
numbers
of
people
on
the
street.
So
I
think
you
know
when
we
pulled
away
both
you
know,
kensington
has.
The
city
has
been
struggling
with
the
opioid
crisis.
I
I
think
that's
not
just
in
kensington,
that's
all
over,
but
what
we're
seeing
is
again
people
just
don't
have
the
economic
needs
in
terms
of
income
and
the
more
the
need
for
affordable
housing,
those
a
similarity
that
goes
across
both
encampment.
I
do
thank
you
guys
for
continuing
to
look
at
and
coming
up
with
opportunities
to
invest
in
housing.
G
The
pandemic
has
just
been
a
devastating
blow
for
all
of
us,
but
I
think
that
that
the
one
thing
is
that
for
people
who
have
less
economic
resources
like
many
of
the
people,
the
residents
in
kensington,
they
don't
have
as
much
above
a
buffer
and
for
neighborhoods
that
are
highly
impacted,
that
that
the
pandemic
has
hit
them
much
worse.
And
it's
really
it.
I
think
it's
fair
to
say
it's
really
been
a
setback.
G
E
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
I
look
forward
to
the
continuing
conversation
around
this
matter.
I
just
time
sensitivity
as
we
come
up
with
policies
is
huge.
I
think
that
the
parkway
for
folks
in
the
parkway,
who
thought
that
you
know
that
was
untenable.
Kessington
is
untenable.
These
these
encampments
are
going
to
pop
up
in
every
part
of
the
city,
and
I
don't
want
to
see
my
colleagues
struggling
the
way
we're
struggling
here
in
kensington
and
explaining
why
we
can't
move
with
a
sense
of
urgency,
but
I
appreciate
everyone's
suffering.
Thank
you,
madam
chair.
F
Thank
you,
madam
chair
and
good
morning
and
good
morning
to
my
colleagues
and
liz.
I
have
a
few
questions
to
follow
up
on
council
member
maria
canona
sanchez's
line
of
questioning
and
by
the
way,
I'm
in
support
of
what
she
had
mentioned
about
kensington
I've
taken
up
several
tours
through
there
and
it's
really
declined
during
this
pandemic,
and
we
really
it's
heartbreaking
actually
to
see.
What's
going
on
there,
it's
horrible,
I
can't
imagine
living
there.
Well,
here's
my
questions
for
today.
Liz.
Can
you
explain
your
department,
the
priorities.
H
F
G
G
Our
we
are
housing
first
system,
which
means
that
our
goal
and
our
top
priority
council
member
is
for
people
to
come
in.
We
try
to
provide
a
wide
variety
of
front
doors,
whether
it's
the
covid
prevention
space,
the
hotels,
whether
it's
a
safe
haven,
a
drug
treatment
program,
a
shelter
or
now
rapid,
rehousing
from
the
street,
and
then
we
have
a
very
small
number
of
pathways
to
housing
units
for
people
who
are
most
seriously
mentally
ill
and
have
been
or
have
the
most
fragile
health
and
have
been
homeless
the
longest.
G
So
that
is
our
priority,
and
then
our
priority
is
for
the
most
vulnerable
people
to
get
into
permanent
housing.
What
we
try
to
do
and
it's
more
art
than
science,
is
for
people
who
need
less.
We
try
to
try
to
keep
as
light
a
touch
as
possible.
So
we
start
with
the
lightest
touch
set
of
services
and
hope
that
people
succeed
before
we
go
to
a
more
intense
or
expensive
or
labor-intensive
set
of
services.
G
G
The
fair
market
rent
for
a
one
bedroom,
generally
speaking,
is
between
900
and
1100
dollars,
depending
on
which
neighborhood.
So
we
estimate
our
costs
have
gone
up
slightly.
It's
a
tight
rental
market.
Surprisingly,
so
we
used
to
estimate
twelve
five
a
year
now
our
latest
numbers
are
closer
to
twelve
okay.
F
I
guess
what
I'm
trying
to
find
out
is
to
get
a
better
understanding
of
how
much
the
entire
city
of
philadelphia
is,
I'm
not
going
to
say
spending,
I'm
going
to
say
investing
on
supporting
homeless
services
and
what's
the
total
pool
of
money,
including
the
non-profits,
the
federal,
the
state
and
city
money,
and
how
do
we
better?
You
know
utilize
that
money
towards
all
of
our
goals.
That's
really
that
you
know.
If
someone
could
do
that
analysis,
I
think
we'd
have
a
better
understanding
of
like
what.
F
What
is
the
pool
of
potential
money
across
all
departments
that
we
can
utilize
for
to
achieve
these
goals?
So
my
last
question
is:
do
you
have
like
do
you?
Have
these
organizations
and
layers
of
government
where
you're
convening
meetings
to
bring
them
together
and
can
council
help?
You
convene
these
meetings,
maybe
through
this
committee,
to
get
everyone
on
the
same
page
with
clear
and
measurable
goals
that
we
can
like
move
the
needle,
because
now
we
really
need
to
and
see
where
all
this
money
is
being
spent.
F
I'll
give
you
one
example:
you
know
we
took
a
tour
of
modular
housing
out
in
west
philadelphia
and
we
were
told
you
know
the
cost
for
modular
could
be
80
to
90
000
per
unit,
and
when
you
look
at
that
cost
finance
at
today's
rates,
it
could
be,
you
know,
could
be
lower.
It
could
be
like
600
a
month,
but
we
could
actually
save
some
money
here
and
you
know
have
a
total
focus
on
for
every
one
bed
we're
providing
today
with
modular.
G
Well,
if
we
could
figure
out
better
models,
we're
totally
open
to
that.
I
think
that's
a
great
idea.
I
think
the
homeless
system
ends
up.
You
know,
kind
of
being
the
the
course
of
last
resort
for
people
where
a
lot
of
other
systems
fail.
Frankly,
for
people
we
have
moved
the
needle,
though
council
member,
the
number,
the
rate
of
home
family
homelessness.
The
numbers
have
dropped
by
25
percent.
G
G
We
are
helping
people
gain
more
income
through
their
stays
in
shelter,
so
we
are
moving
the
needle
it's
just
not,
and
you
know
the
the
scope
is
not
big
enough,
and
I
guess
the
other
thing
I
would
encourage
everybody
to
think
about
is:
where
does
the
homeless
system
begin
and
end?
And
where
does
the
affordable
housing
system
begin
and
end,
and
where
does
the
workforce,
development
and
employment
system
begin
and
end
when
the
city
did
its
talent
engine
report,
it
literally
did
not
go
as
low
as
people
with
zero
income.
There's.
G
You
know
we
created
a
low,
a
no
barrier
employment
program
through
same-day
pay,
but
the
homeless
system
can't
do
it
alone.
We
are
the.
We
are
the
crisis
response
system.
We
have
to
look
at
all
these
other
systems,
like
I
mentioned
health
care
corrections
and
look
at
what
else
we
can
do
in
those
places
so
that
people
don't
become
homeless
in
the
first
place
or
if
they
do
that
they
really
do
have
an
exit
strategy
of
increased
income
and
a
more
affordable
place
to
live.
G
F
Okay-
and
I
will
say
this
on
the
modular,
if
you
take
it
over
a
15-year
term,
mortgage,
it
would
be
paid
off
in
15
years,
would
be
about
half
of
what
we're
spending
now
and
we
would
own
it
in
15
years,
free
and
clear,
so
that
just
may
be
something
we
should
consider,
because
we
can
take
advantage
of
those
low
rates.
Let
me
just
mention
one
other
thing:.
G
I
do
want
to
say
one
thing:
council
member
is
our
shelter
beds.
Do
turn
over
four
times
a
year,
so
the
number
is.
The
number
is
not
the
number
when
you
look
at
a
number
of
shelter
beds,
unless
we
can
stop
the
churn
of
people
coming
through,
it's
not
a
one-for-one
replacement
and
I
think
that's
what's
really
held
us
up
from
making
those
dollars
fungible
from
beds
to
units.
F
And
so
I
mean
I
view
housing
as
a
ladder.
Okay,
we
always
used
to
say
that
the
first
step
on
the
ladder
was
the
first
time
home
buyer,
but
maybe
we
need
to
look
at
it
now
and
say:
maybe
the
first
step
on
the
ladder
is
shelter
beds.
Next
step
on
the
ladder
might
be
a
nice
rental
and
then
the
next
step
might
be
going
into
buying.
F
That's
causing
us
to
have
to
deal
with
this
issue,
because
if
people
had
better
paying
jobs
and
better
opportunity-
and
you
know-
were
able
to
make
more
money-
we
wouldn't
be
in
this
situation
anyway.
I
don't
want
to
take
any
more
time.
I
appreciate
your
time
and
thank
you,
madam
chair.
Thank
you
very
much.
E
D
I
just
don't
think
there's
any
excuse
for
it
whatsoever,
but-
and
I
know
you
do
your
part
list
so
again-
many
thanks
and
kudos
to
you
and
your
team
and
eva
and
the
whole
the
whole
crew.
I
had
a
couple
of
questions,
though
I
had
two
questions.
One
was
that
I
noticed
earlier
in
your
comments
and
I'm
wondering
if
you
can
go
back.
You
said
something
to
the
effect
that
two
shelters
were
underutilized
and
were
likely
to
close
or
something
to
that
effect.
Can
you
revisit
that
for
me?
Yes,.
G
We
have
two
shelters:
two
family
shelters
that
we
are.
Our
goal
is
to
repurpose
them.
Currently
we
are
working
with
them,
we're
converting
their
shelter
funding
to
rapid
rehousing
so
that
the
families
that
are
there
can
move
out,
and
then
one
of
them,
I
think,
would
need
to
be
renovated.
We're
looking
at
as
a
single
room,
occupancy
or
efficiency
apartments
for
youth
and
the
other
we're
looking
at
repurposing
to
be
for
young
parenting
families,
as
I
think
your
everybody
is
really
well
aware,
the
you
know.
G
G
D
D
G
Well,
let
me
start
with
a
highlight
and
I'll
defer
to
eva
if
she
wants
to
add
something
we
expect
to
launch
in
a
relatively
short
time,
an
opportunity
for
16
young
people
who
of
age
who
are
aging
out
of
the
foster
system,
foster
care
system
and
who
are
getting
the
free
tuition
at
community
college.
We
expect
to
be
able
to
provide
housing
for
them
again
through
this
program
of
renovating
two
buildings
that
were
pha
housing.
G
So
we're
really
excited
about
that
partnership
as
one
of
the
again
a
pilot
program
that
may
help
us.
We
have
also
just
funded
depaul
house
and
they
are
providing
housing
for
about
20
young
people
who
would
otherwise
be
homeless,
who
have
come
out
of
the
shelter
the
foster
system
by
and
large
and
arts
really
to
support
them
in
college,
because
we
all
know
that
education
really
matters
above
and
beyond
that.
G
We
work
very
closely
with
dhs
to
try
and
do
everything
we
can
to
help
those
young
people
secure
housing
so
that
they
don't
end
up
in
the
homeless
system.
We
have
a
youth
access
point.
We
meet
regularly
with
dhs
on
coordinating
with
na
about
who's
who
we
have
youth
navigators,
so
we
really
are
trying
to
work
very
closely
with
them
and,
as
with
everything
else,
we
still
have
a
long
way
to
go.
D
And
also,
could
you
give
us
a
sense
of
how
many
go
uncaptured,
yeah
yeah
sure
yeah,
okay,
so
that
would
be
great.
The
other
part
to
my
question
was,
and
I
may
have
missed
this.
Can
you
tell
me
what's
the
total
population
of
folks
who
are
considered
homeless
in
the
city
of
philadelphia?
Do
you
have
a
a
number
or
percentage
on
that?
I.
G
Do
we
use
a
point
in
time
count
which
is
a
jet?
It's
a
the
hud
measure.
It's
january,
the
last
thursday.
In
january
we
counted
last
count.
We
were
just
a
little
over
5600
people
who,
at
that
moment
in
time
are
homeless.
That
includes
the
950
or
so
who
were
unsheltered,
that
is
literally
on
the
streets
or
in
a
place
unfit
for
human
habitation
and
then
the
remaining
5
000
or
so
who
were
in
emergency
or
temporary
housing,
which
in
philadelphia
includes
safe
havens,
which
are
mental
health
facilities
and
recovery
houses.
G
They
are
considered
to
be
part
of
the
homeless
system.
It's
for
some
folks.
Over
the
course
of
the
year
we
serve
19
000
people,
so
they
19,
000
people.
Experience
experienced
homelessness
in
fiscal
year,
2020
a
little
over
that.
So
a
lot
of
people
are
cycling
through
our
system
or
touching
it
for
a
short
time,
and
that
doesn't
include
the
prevention
numbers.
D
We
be
counting
people
who
are
waiting
for
housing
through,
let's
say
a
pha
or
you
know
an
another.
A
similar
entity
who
are
maybe
either
have
a
voucher
or
you
know,
even
though
there's
no
more
vouchers
right
now,
but
but
but
people
who
are
in
line
and
who
have
have
been
in
line,
I
would
say
for
years,
for
housing
who
are
living,
you
know
cramped
up,
let's
say
they're
living
with
their
mom.
D
You
know,
maybe
it's
a
three-bedroom
house
a
standard
row,
maybe
multiple
families
living
in
that
house
they're,
not
homeless,
but
they
are
in
an
untenable
situation
as
well.
So
is
there
any
consideration
of
adding
those
those?
You
know,
people
to
our
list
who
are
also
awaiting
housing
and
who,
but
by
the
grace
of
god,
are
not
you
know,
sleeping
in
our
shelters
or
unsheltered
completely.
G
Right
well,
this
is
this
is
a
big
debate
that
goes
on.
We
generally
consider
our
point
in
time
count
to
be
an
undercount.
We
believe
that
there
are
many
more
people
who
are
flying
below
the
radar
screen,
who
really
are
homeless,
they're,
just
sort
of
nipping
and
tugging
to
pull
it
together
and
not
actually
falling
into
actual
homelessness.
G
We
we
have
adopted
the
hud
definition
of
being
literally
homeless,
and
the
folks
that
you
described
as
being
couch,
surfing
living
in
overcrowded
situations
are
really
by
my
hud
standards,
considered
to
be
extremely
housing,
insecure
or
imminently
homeless.
So
it's
it's
really
a
definitional
issue.
We
would
consider
them
to
really
be
the
to
require
the
intervention
of
the
affordable
housing
system,
so
either
they
would
need
prevention,
services
or
what
they
really
need
is
affordable,
housing
and
every
effort
should
be
made
to
have
them
not
be
homeless.
G
D
D
So
my
question
is
for
those
who
are
actually
sheltered.
What
can
you
talk
about
some
of
the
programs
and
services
that
are
provided
in
terms
of
job
opportunities,
life
skills?
I
think
you
went
over
some
of
these
things
and
some
of
your
partners
before,
but
can
you
give
us
a
clear
picture?
I
don't
have
a
you
know.
Maybe
I
missed
it,
but
I
don't
really
have
a
clear
picture
in
terms
of
when
someone
comes
in.
How
do
we
help
them
sort
of
get
on
their
feet,
knowing
how
great
their
needs
are?
D
How
do
we
really
help
them
as
a
city?
Are
we
providing
as
much
as
we
can
provide?
Do
we
need
to
provide
more
and
if
so,
what
is
that?
Can
you?
Can
you
talk
about
that
a
little
bit
and
I'm
and
I'm
asking
this
question
thinking
about
a
shelter
in
my
district
that
you
and
I
visited
liz
and
one
of
the
things
that
they
were
doing
was
helping
folks
with
savings.
Like
you
know,
opening
up
savings
account.
D
G
D
Sort
of
organizing
and
how
you
know
just
staying
organized
on
top
of
things,
and
so
at
any
given
moment.
You
know
any
one
of
us
could
use
the
skills
and
services
and
the
life
training.
You
know
refresher
courses
that
are
offered,
but
I
was
really
disappointed
when
I
found
out
that
those
services
were
taken
away,
that
they
were
no
longer
allowed
to
be
provided
to
these
residents,
because
you
know
they
they
don't
need
the
skills
or
they
don't
need
the
training
or
they
don't
need
the.
D
G
Right,
I
think
what
you're
talking
about
is
mandatory
fees
and
savings
that
used
to
exist
in
the
shelter
system
which
we
no
longer
have.
It
is
most
certainly
yeah.
We
used
to
have
mandatory
fees
and
yes,
this,
the
city's
shelters
used
to
have
mandatory
fees
and
mandatory
savings
and-
and
that
was
discontinued
in
2016
in
part
of
the
effort
to
to
do
two
things.
G
And
the
idea
is
that
it's
really
not
ups
to
up
to
us
to
tell
people
how
to
run
their
lives
even
though
they
may
have
very
low
incomes.
They
may
be
really
very,
very
poor
and
they
may
be
homeless.
They
still
have
dignity
and
agency
and
they're
still
people,
and
so
what
we
have
been
working
with.
Our
providers
on
to
be
trauma
informed,
is
to
encourage
people
rather
than
to
dictate
to
them,
and
so
that's
a
philosophical
shift.
G
I'll
tell
you
one
of
the
things
that
really
used
to
help
a
lot
that
we
don't
have
anymore
and
that's
individual
savings
accounts
there
used
to
be
a
program.
I
think
it
was
through
the
state
at
one
time
and
through
the
united
way,
where,
if
people
saved
money,
that
money
was
matched-
and
maybe
this
also
gets
to
council
member
dom's
question
about
a
ladder
up,
which
is
that
you
know
just
incentivizing
savings
so
that
people
have
a
little
bit
of
money.
G
What
we
found
is
that
when
people
think
they're
going
to
move
into
a
place,
they're
very
good
at
saving
money
and
our
shelters,
I
think-
and
transitional
housing
programs
do
a
great
job
of
helping
help,
helping
people
structure
their
job
search
or
getting
going
to
school,
getting
child
care
if
that's
relevant
and
also
saving
money.
The
other
partnership
that
we've
cultivated
over
the
last
couple
of
years
is
first
step
staffing,
which
provides
what's
it
called
temporary.
It's
a
staffing
agency,
basically,
there's
jobs.
G
I
Yeah-
and
I
would
just
I
would
just
add
to
say-
I
know
when
that
came
out
that
was
sort
of
a
cultural
shock.
I
know
there
were
many
people
that
reached
out
to
many
different
council
folks
office
in
regards
to
that
in
terms
of
providers.
I
think
a
lot
of
that
came
down
to
training.
I
think
we
we
probably
as
agencies,
could
have
done
a
better
job
in
terms
of
communicating
what
that
really
meant
and
also
provide
better
training
to
individuals.
I
That
talked
about
saved
and
talked
about
what
it
would
look
like
in
terms
of
where
would
you
want
to
move
from
different
neighborhoods,
whether
you
know
this
neighborhood
became
a
trigger,
so
I
think
we
still
have
some
work
to
go
in
that
area,
along
with
providing
some
technical
assistance
to
our
to
our
providers.
I
do
know
again
that
was
a
cultural
shock,
because
for
years
you
know
there
were
mandatory
savings
and
fees,
but
what
we
have
also
found
there
have
been
some
providers
that
have
taken
on
our
pilot
approach.
I
That
has
this
has
really
worked
where
they
have
done
things
to
incentivize
such
as
buying
on
buying
kitchen
sets
that
people
wanted
to
save
money
when
they
were
time
to
move
out.
So
I
think
we
would
take
any
feedback
or
suggestion
on
how
we
can
better
communicate
that
to
offer
training.
But
I
think
that
is
something
that's
going
to
constantly
be
ongoing
and
I
think
they
need
now
even
more
where
income
is
just
not
there
to
really
talk
about
what
a
savings
accounts.
I
Look
like
what
it
would
look
like
for
when
you
move,
when
you
don't
have
that
safety
net,
such
as
some
of
the
shelter
providers
who
go
outside
of
their
way
to
make
sure
that
a
person
has.
I
think,
a
lot
of
that
goes
down
to
the
language
that
we
use
and
the
training
that
we
need
to
implement
with
our
provider.
Community.
D
Okay,
I
I
hear
you
guys.
I
was
unaware
of
the
mandatory
fees.
I
have
no
idea
what
fees
were
charged
or
you
know
how
that
worked
or
where
they
were
charged.
But
I
guess
I
was
specifically
speaking
of
the
savings,
because
I
am
a
big,
a
supporter
of
you
know
the
the
need
to
save
you.
Never
you
never
know.
D
D
You
know,
like
all
kinds
of
things
we
tell
people,
don't
what
not
to
do,
and
so
the
idea
that
we
can't
tell
people
who
are
utilizing
the
shelter
system
that
you
know
savings
is
a
good
thing
and
you
know
that
this
is
something
that
really
should
be
done,
and
this
is
going
to
help
you
know
get
that
ladder
up.
You
know,
get
you
back
on
your
feet,
get
get
get
you
into
a
perm,
a
place
of
permanency.
That
is
your
very
own,
so
I
just
you
know.
I
D
I
We
totally
agree
with
you.
We
totally
agree
with
you
100
around
that
savings,
and
we
also
know
there
are
banks
that
are
located
in
neighborhood
banks
that
provide
some
type
of
free
checking.
Account
savings
account
for
people
who
are
underserved.
It's
just
getting
those
folks
out
to
come
and
do
some
seminars
do
some
zoom
meetings
to
really
talk
to
the
community
about
what
neighborhood
banks
also
have
to
offer,
but
we're
100
in
agreement
with
savings.
D
D
B
E
J
E
A
A
A
At
the
end
of
the
day,
the
situation
is
for
multi-unit
structures
like
the
pavilion
in
my
district
in
the
52nd
ward
in
the
shalom
building,
both
of
which
have
about
a
block
and
a
half
distance
between
them,
both
of
whom
were
built
around
the
same
error,
both
of
whom
had
nice
at
the
time.
Hud
deals
where
there
were
predictable
rents
and
people
got
in
under
locked
in
rents,
somewhere
around
750
a
month.
A
A
Now
how
that
impacts.
Your
system,
under
your
theory
of
how
we
keep
them
in
facilities
rank,
gives
me
a
lot
of
questions
now.
The
chairwoman
was
on
that
call
dealing
with
the
issue
of
ami
area
median
income
which
impacts
them
as
well,
because
the
increases
in
rent
are
predicated
on
the
household
incomes
of
lower
marian.
A
So
I
think
we
in
our
housing
strategy
need
to
get
ahead
of
the
curve
and
and
these
these
buildings,
these
older
multi-unit
buildings
that
are
leaving
off
of
hud
kinds
of
contracts,
are
all
over.
The
city
they're
in
nice,
town
they're
in
north
philly,
they're
in
all
parts
of
the
city,
and
we
do
not
have
a
policy
that
is
going
to
prevent
the
wave
of
homelessness.
A
E
E
E
But
but
what
you're
really
talking
about
is
the
preservation
issue
and,
frankly,
it's
an
issue
that
was
raised
by
the
housing
at
protest
camp,
which
I
said
I
wouldn't
mention
in
this
call.
But
I
here
I
am,
which
is
that
a
lot
of
the
these
buildings
were
developed
under
hud
programs
with
15-year
requirements
or
even
30-year
requirements
and
they're
coming
off
the
requirements.
E
But
I
would
encourage-
I,
I
think,
you're
going
to
be
looking
at
this
at
some
additional
cdbg
investments
to
kind
of
talk
to
preservation,
because
for
people
who
are
in
housing
that
was
developed
with
federal
housing
funds
or
low-income
housing.
Tax
credits
in
the
city
of
philadelphia,
you're
right
keeping
them
in
their
units
would
be
the
highest
priority
and
and
the
city
does,
on
a
routine
basis,
make
funds
available
for
preservation
of
those
units
which
can
involve
city
financing,
could
involve
going
and
getting
more
tax
credits
of
two
different
varieties.
A
If
you
don't
believe
that
you
know,
I
might
be
jones
might
be
paranoid
up
in
the
fourth,
because
this
only
happens
in
the
fifth
district
and
in
the
first
district
and
in
the
third
district
gentrification
issues.
Only
no
because
all
you
have
to
do
is
look
at
the
pen
win
scenario,
and
now
it's
called
the
dane
right
same
place,
but
almost
double
the
rent
and
with
a
different
clientele.
A
C
Thank
you
so
much.
Madam
chair,
I
have
a
series
of
of
concerns
and
questions
that
I'm
gonna
bring
up.
I'ma
start
with
in
the
foster
and
in
the
housing
system.
You
know.
I
was
recently
told
that
there
has
been
a
significant
number
of
black
men
that
have
been
hard
or,
for
some
reason,
have
not
been
able
to
be
placed
in
permanent
housing,
and
my
concern
is
leaning
to
something
my
council
member
brought
up.
C
G
G
C
There
any
like
collaborative
conversations
that
are
happening
to
make
sure
as
they
transition
out
of
whether
it's
criminal
justice
system
in
a
foster
system
that
they
have
access
to
like
workforce
development
or
some
way
to
earn
a
sustainable
living
while
either
while
they're
transitioning
or
once
they
hit
the
shelter.
Or
is
there
a
collaborative
conversation
between
all
of
these
city
agencies
to
make
sure
that
there's
a
solid
transition
or
pathway
for
these
young
black
men?
Because
we
realized
that
we
ended
up.
G
G
Right,
one
of
the-
and
I
hope
that
you
will
talk
to
the
correctional
system
and
the
child
welfare
system
about
these
questions
also
and
not
just
us,
and
we
do
certainly
are
in
very
close
dialogue
with
them.
We've
just
worked
together
with
the
correctional
system.
We
have
two
pilot
programs.
One
is
called
high
five,
which
is
for
people
who
have
mental
health,
have
been
homeless
in
and
out
and
been
through
the
correctional
system.
It's
a
subsidy
with
wrap
around
services
and
it's
been
extraordinary.
G
It's
an
evidence-based
practice,
that's
being
used
nationally
and
we're
getting
extraordinary
results,
they're
not
going
back
into
the
correctional
system,
oh
and
with
the
reentry
office.
Now
there's
a
new
program.
That's
just
been
funded
to
provide
rapid
rehousing
through
a
master
lease
program
so
that
when
people
are
coming
out
of
the
correctional
system,
they
have
some
place
to
go
right
away.
That's
not
a
shelter,
so
those
are
some
of
the
collaborative
efforts
that
are
undertake
that
we
are
undertaking.
G
I
think
that
for
for,
for
example,
the
correctional
system
they're
just
like
you're
asking
us
to
stretch
and
look
across
bounds.
I
think
that
the
question
of
what
are
we
releasing
people
to
is
a
question
that
other
systems
need
to
are,
are
asking
and
need
to
look
at,
and
how
does
that
fit
together
with
affordable
housing
so
that
people
do
have
real
options
in
their
lives?
To
be
able
to
exit
exit
to
dave
was
going
to
add
something.
I
I
think
liz
I
think,
you're
correct.
I
think
it's.
We
have
had
numbers
of
conversation
with
commissioner
blanche
from
the
you
know
the
county
prince
the
county
jails,
but
I
think
it's
extremely
difficult,
and
I
think
this
is
something
that
you
probably
have
to
do
with
your
legislative
counterparts
at
the
state,
but
when
folks
are
being
discharged
from
state
prisons
and
don't
have
a
discharge
plan
of
having
some
communication,
you
know.
I
Unfortunately,
you
have
a
lot
of
people
that
are
being
discharged
from
state
prisons,
especially
particularly
black
men
that
are
entering
into
shelter,
which
we
have.
You
know
that
that
relationship
or
that
having
that
lead
weight
is
extremely
difficult.
I
think
at
the
county
level
we
we
have
come.
We
have
had
conversation
with
commissioner
blanche
in
regards
to
identifying
folks
who
come
in
that
says
they
were
homeless,
that
has
behavioral
health
challenges
and
we
kind
of
can
work
with
them
on
sort
of
a
discharge
plan.
I
But
it's
the
issue
where
folks
that
are
having
that
have
been
doing
state
time
when
they're
being
discharged
and
unfortunately,
some
of
their
housing
option
plan
is
the
shelter
system.
I
know
we
get
significant
amount
of
letters
that
come
from
state
social
workers
and
their
housing
option
plan.
Is
they
still
put
1360
ridge
avenue
shelter
on
there?
That
just
shows
how
much
you
know.
I
Unfortunately,
shelter
is
the
only
backdoor
option,
but
usually
we
get
that
maybe
30
days
out
or
sometimes
less
than
that,
and
we
just
don't
have
a
way.
Maybe
that
conversation
again
needs
to
happen
at
at
your
level
with
us,
a
state
rep
that
really
is
engaged
engaging
that
process
around
re-entry
back
into
society.
But
again
we
we
would
love
to
be
at
the
table.
Have
a
conversation
around
that.
C
So
when
I
think
of
re-entry
and
reunification,
I
remember
so
we're
talking.
This
is
all
the
same
issue
when
we're
talking
about
families
that
may
be
in
public
housing,
voucher
system
and
men
returning
back
into
families.
Is
it
still
on
the
books
that
they
cannot
come
back
into
their
home
if
they're
receiving
public
housing
if
they
live
in
any
public,
housing
or
city
funded
housing?
That
someone
coming
out
of
prisons
cannot
return
to
their
families.
I
Housing,
I
guess
they
would
have
to
also
you
have
to
probably
go
back
to
whether
they
were
listed
on
the
lease
at
the
time
when
they
went
into
pha
housing.
So
I
think
again,
that's
a
question
for
pha,
but
I
have
heard
that
that
comment
also
before
on
many
different
occasions,
but
I
think
it
really
goes
down
to
who's
listed
on
that
lease.
G
They
just
don't
have
money
and
they
don't
have
opportunities,
and
I
think
one
of
the
things
that
really
holds
people
back
is
this
whole
churning
through
the
carceral
system
and
the
fact
that
people
end
up
incarcerated
very
early
on
disproportionately
black
men,
young
black
men,
especially
and
then
it's
like
a
ball
and
chain,
and
they
can't
move
forward
in
their
lives.
And
so
I
think
that
anything
we
can
do
for
employment
for
housing
that
reduces
discrimination
based
on
you
know.
C
So
I'm
going
to
switch
gears
a
little
bit,
I'm
going
to
have
a
few
questions
about
rapid
rehousing.
You
know,
I'm
really
excited
that
this
is
available
to
folks,
but
one
of
the
things
that
we
found
is
that
how
someone's
talked
about
incentifying
landlords
to
do
this,
so
there
are
some
landlords
that
are
willing
to
do
it,
but
at
the
end
of
the
12
month
with
a
24
month
lease
they
create
unreasonable
leases
for
people
to
stay
there
and
that's
not
a
pathway
to
permanency
like.
C
If
is
there
any
way
that
we
can
secure
the
city
of
securing
funding
for
two
years
for
a
property?
Is
there
something
that
we
can
do
on
the
tenant
side
to
ensure
that
they're
still
able
to
stay
there
once
their
lease
agreement
with
the
city
is
up?
Because
I've
had
several
complaints
about
that
particular
issue
and
I
think
that's
problematic
when
the
city
has
secured
a
landlord
two
years
worth
of
income
at
probably
top
dollar
eight,
where
at
the
end
of
the
day,
we
end
up
with
the
same
people
back
in
our
system.
G
And
some
yeah
in
some
cases
that
does
happen,
and
I
think
it's
a
good
point
and
I
think
you
actually
have-
I
think
council
has
done
a
lot
to
try
and
hold
landlords
accountable
in
general.
Once
we
stop
paying
them,
then
that
becomes
a
legal
issue
of
whether
it's
a
legal
lease
and
whether
people
know
what
their,
how
to
negotiate.
What
we
try
to
do
is
really
work
with
people
on
what
are
their
rights.
G
We
try
to
work
with
a
model
lease,
so
they
know
this
is
what
a
lease
should
really
look
like.
You
can't
sign
away
your
rights.
You
know
you
can
go
to
the
philadelphia
eviction
prevention
program.
If
you
think
you're
being
treated
unfairly,
you
can
go
to
the
to
turn
and
you
can
get
help
and
you
can
fight
for
yourself.
I
think
what
we
do,
or
what
we
try
to
do
is
to
help
people
feel
empowered
to
advocate
for
themselves
if
they
are
treated
unfairly.
C
You
know
and
to
that
when
I
think
about
pathway
to
permanent
housing,
we
realize
that
some
of
these
landlords
will
gladly
take
city
money
but
give
independent
or
folks
that
we're
trying
to
I'm
saying
we're
in
terms
of
homeless
system
trying
to
find
housing
for
folks,
housing
discrimination
exists
and
it's
really
hard
for
the
fine
folks
that
are
willing
to
not
just
to
take
the
city
vouchers,
but
just
regular
pha
vouchers
or
whatever.
Is
there
any
way
we
can?
G
Well,
I
mean
how's,
it
you're
right,
housing,
discrimination
absolutely
exists
and
the
city
actually
has
sorts
of
income
protection,
which
is
a
higher
bar
than
the
federal
law,
and,
I
believe,
than
the
state.
So
you
that
step
has
been
taken.
What
I'll
tell
you
one
thing,
there's
two
things
that
have
made
a
difference
for
us.
I
mean
landlords
when
we
did
the
eviction
task
force
a
couple
of
years
ago.
G
One
of
the
things
that
was
loud
and
clear
is
that
landlords
hate
risk
and
they
need
money
and
they
want
a
steady
stream
like
what
they
turn
over
in
units
is,
is
one
of
their
highest
costs.
So
they
don't
want
that,
and
so
one
of
the
things
that
we've
done
in
our
programs,
it's
very
helpful,
is
to
screen
tenants
and
then
stand
behind
our
tenant,
so
it
reduces
the
risk
and
it
reduces
the
cost
of
turnover.
G
G
You
know
whatever
your
repairs,
your
carrying
costs,
but
it's
really
not
enough
to
make
major
capital
investments
like
if
your
heater,
your
boiler,
your
roof,
your
windows.
If
those
things
go,
even
if
you're,
on
a
program
where
you
get
a
rent
subsidy,
it's
really
not
enough,
and
I
think
that
one
of
the
things
that
we've
tried
to
pilot-
but
still
I
think
very
much
is
needed-
is
some
kind
of
loss,
reserve,
fund
or
some
kind
of
loan
or
grant
program,
especially
for
those
mom-and-pop
landlords.
G
Philly
is
a
is
a
city
of
mom
and
pop
landlords,
most
landlords,
one
two,
three
four
units
they're,
not
mostly
the
high
rises,
although
we
have
that
and
it's
they're
really
scraping
by
and
and
so
those
are,
the
folks.
I
think
where
there's
really
an
opportunity
if
we
could
help
them
with
loans
or
grants
to
make
major
capital
improvements
so
that
they
could
and
with
some
you
know,
with
some
strings
attached,
so
they
have
to
continue
to
make
it
affordable
to
somebody
at
you
know
a
low
income.
E
Yeah
just
to
say
that
there's
a
pilot
program
in
the
kensington
lower
northeast
focused
on
doing
this.
It's
a
loan
program,
not
a
grand
program
where
we
got
some
state,
housing,
trust
fund,
money
and
then
planning
development
put
in
some
resources
and
it's
impact
services
is
operating
it,
but
it
would
enable
landlords
to
make
all
of
the
repairs,
particularly
for
properties
that
have
some
lead
issues
in
them
and
then
hold
them
to
certain
lease
terms
and
terms
around
rent
for
a
period
of
time
because
of
the
city.
G
E
C
Okay,
so
any
other
my
last
thoughts
around
this
issue
when
we
think
in
terms
of
the
rental
assistance
and
the
programs
that
the
city
has
already
set
up
to
help
low-income
renters,
do
we
have
any
rent
stabilization
measures
in
place
for
properties
that
we
or
for
landlords
or
realtors,
that
we
continue
to
invest
in
towards
housing,
because
we
realize
that
we
are
spending
taxpayers,
money
and
rental
assistance
is
wonderful
for
renters
and
it's
also
wonderful
for
landlords.
It's
guaranteed
income,
but
long
term.
C
It's
important
that
if
the
city
is
making
an
investment
in
good
faith,
landlords
are
doing
the
same
so,
regardless
of
what
you
want
to
call
it
rent
stabilization,
rent
control
or
whatever,
if
city
is.
If
the
city
is
funding,
these
programs
is
there
any
way
or
things
that
you
think
would
be
best
suited
for
us
to
provide
as
much
housing
as
possible
with
low
court
costs
right
and
get
as
many
of
people
housed,
and
I
think,
moving
towards
some
kind
of
rent,
stabilization
or
whatever
someone
wants
to
call.
It
would
be
a
smart
move.
G
Yes,
there
is,
and
I'm
just
laughing,
because
both
yvette
and
I
worked
for
the
tenants
action
group
for
many
years-
and
this
was
this-
is
a-
I
think
something
we've
thought
about
and
talked
about
for.
I
don't
know
30
40
years,
something
like
that,
but
to
get
to
answer
your
question,
our
shallow
rent
program
that
the
office
of
homeless
services
runs
is
a.
It
is
a
set
amount
of
money.
We
pay
600
a
month.
G
The
individual
pays
200
and
the
rent
that
the
total
nut
is
not
is
800
a
month,
and
so
essentially,
through
that
program
we
have
it,
it
is,
does
function
essentially
like
a
rent,
stabilization
program.
The
trade-off
is,
then
there's
no
turnover
in
the
unit.
It
reduces
the
risk
for
the
landlord,
and
so
we
have
had
very
good
participation
in
that
program.
G
The
wild
card
is,
if
you
end
up
having
a
lot
a
low
vacancy
rate
in
your
rental
market,
then
landlords
will
gravitate
towards
higher
rents,
just
like
councilman
member
jones
was
talking
about
or
if
they
think
they
can
get
the
pha
subsidy
which
may
be
higher,
then
they
may
pick
and
choose
they.
May
cherry
pick
their
rental
assistance
program,
but
our
shallow
rent
program
is
a
set
amount
for
the
duration
of
the
lease
which
is
renewed
annually.
So
it
is
a
de
facto
rent
stabilization,
a
voluntary
rent,
stabilization
program
so.
G
No,
we
can't
without
changing
federal
law,
because
the
way
the
housing
choice,
voucher
works
is
that
you
pay
30
of
your
area
of
your
income
towards
housing
costs
and
it's
based
on
what
is
considered
to
be
the
fair
market
rent
for
the
geography.
That's
what
council
member
jones
was
talking
about,
whatever
that
number
is,
and
so
it's
basically
indexed
based
on
the
market,
whereas
the
the
shallow
rent
that
we
do
we've,
you
know,
we've
basically
tailored
it,
so
it
would
require
it
would
require
some
kind
of
adjustment
through
pha.
G
Now,
whether
or
not
they
could
do
it,
they're
moving
to
work
agency,
maybe
or
whether
or
not
there's
any
flexibility
there.
I
don't
know,
but
I
don't
believe
without
changing
federal
law
that
that
could
be
done,
it
would
have
to
be
purely
voluntary.
That
would
have
basically
would
have
to
be
incentivized.
I
think.
C
I
violations,
and
I
know
that
the
city
was
working
really
hard
to
help
the
landlords
on
that
side
as
well.
So
I'm
thinking
in
terms
of
we're
saying
that
landlords,
like
consistency
and
through
covet
the
city,
has
stepped
in
and
offered
that
level
of
consistency
through
rental
assistance
and
they
refused
to
take
it.
C
I'm
not
really
sure
what
else
we
can
do
moving
forward,
even
though
I
know
that
subsidy
was
increased
because
we
were
able
to
add
federal
funds,
but
it
still
was
only
for
three
months
covet
has
yet
to
end,
and
the
concern
is
what's
gonna
happen
for
the
duration.
Until
people
are
100
100
back
to
work,
do
we
have
any
idea
of
what
can
be
put
in
place
or
any
idea
what
we
can
do
for
the
next
few
months
to
secure
tenants
and
also
incentivize?
G
Well,
I
I
think
certain,
I
think
again,
council
really
deserves
a
lot
of
credit
for
all
the
steps
you've
taken
on
with
the
eviction
moratorium
with
the
diversion
program
with
the
eviction
prevention
program.
All
of
these
all
of
these
steps
that
have
been
taken,
I
think,
are,
are
the
right
things
to
do
and
that's
what
we
know
works
above
and
beyond
those
things
I
don't
know
I'll
defer
to
eva
on
this.
G
Sometimes
it's
too
hard.
Who
knows
what
other
reasons
they
have?
But
I
think,
probably
I'm
continuing
to
get
that
money
into
rental
assistance
and
continuing
to
not
have
evictions
and
provide
that
assistance
to
tenants
so
that
they
can
fight
if
they
are
being
unlawfully
or
unfairly
evicted.
Those
are
the
things
they're
very
labor
intensive,
but
those
are
the
things
that
work.
C
When
we
start
talking
about
low-income
housing,
we
start
talking
about
discrimination,
and
we
have
to
be
able
to
articulate
that
in
a
way
that
everyone
understands
and
I'm
excited
about.
The
tiny
house
program
and
councilman
tom
talked
about
these
modular
programs,
which
are
all
good.
But
I
do
not
want
the
city
to
really
be
invested
in
new.
Improved
public
housing
in
the
long
term
will
end
up
neglecting
and
divesting
in,
and
they
end
up
becoming
slums
all
over
again.
C
We
need
to
find
a
better
way
to
invest
in
our
citizens,
whether
they're,
low
income,
affordable
housing
or
newcomers
coming
into
the
city.
Everyone
decide
deserves
quality
housing
and
I
think
we
need
to
find
a
way
to
look
at
it.
It
does
not
segregate
people
because
that's
what
we
that's,
what
we
have
done
historically
and
that's
what
we
continue
to
do
and
we
have
to
find
a
better
way
to
do
it.
So
we
don't
want
a
new
and
improved
public
housing
system.
C
C
H
Thank
you.
So
much
and
again
I
want
to
echo
you
know
many
people's
comments
about
expressing
gratitude
to
liz
hirsch
to
eva
gladstein
and
both
of
you
for
your
advocacy
I'll,
be
quick,
because
I
know
this
is
this
has
been
a
long
time,
and
I
also
want
to
thank
the
chair
of
the
committee
for
allowing
me
to
ask
questions.
I'm
not
a
member
of
the
committee
but
have
been.
H
You
know
very
deeply
appreciative
of
this
committee's
work
and
believe
it's
one
of
the
our
most
important
committees
right
now
so
liz.
I
think
you
had
mentioned
that
that
there
was
not
a
ton
of
overlap
that
you
saw
between
evictions
and
homelessness.
Is
that
right
or
I
don't
want
to
mischaracterize
you.
H
G
Generally
speaking,
what
we
see
is
a
young
parent
when
the
second
child,
when
the
second
child
shows
up
or
when
the
child
gets
to
be
a
certain
age
and
the
place
becomes
overcrowded
or
there's
a
job
interruption.
All
the
usual
reasons
that
people
you
know
lose
their
housing.
They
don't
have
enough
money
to
pay
the
rent.
You
know
that
kind
of
thing.
H
H
Yeah,
you
know
and
I'm
curious
about
whether
you've
seen
more.
You
know,
obviously,
as
you
know
since
march-
and
I
thought
I
heard
you
say
something
about
march,
but
since
march
we've
had
an
eviction
moratorium.
In
effect,
it
has
meant
that
there
are
no
current
lockouts
legal
lockouts.
That
is,
there
might
be
illegal
lockouts.
G
H
And
you
know
we
are
currently
discussing
you
know.
The
cdc
has
issued
a
statement
that
they
want
a
nationwide
eviction
ban,
especially
on
anybody
who
earns
less
than
actually
it's
200
198
000
per
household.
So
it's
a
significantly
high
number
or
99
000
per
individual,
but
in
part
because
they
see
mass
evictions
as
a
threat
to
the
public
health,
including
if
shelters
are
to
get
packed
or
if
people
were
to
go
to
the
streets.
H
You
know
we're
obviously
debating
whether
the
extension
of
a
local
philadelphia-based
eviction
moratorium
would
help
strengthen
and
clarify
things
for
landlords,
and
I'm
wondering
if
you
have
an
opinion
on
that.
I
agree
with
with
a
reinstatement
or
a
local
eviction
moratorium
that
clarifies
yes
december
31st.
H
Thank
you.
You
know
the
I
guess
one
I
I
know
that
council
member
brooks
had
asked
this,
but
it
would
help
to
hear
if
you
could
get
specific
about
numbers.
How
much
in
rent
subsidies
through
the
karasak
money
has
gone
into
rent
subsidies
from
march.
Until
now
and
do
do
you
have
those
numbers
from
from.
G
G
As
you
recall,
council
passed
this
substantial
amendment
to
the
the
consolidated
plan,
which
is
the
trigger
for
getting
the
grant
agreement
which
we
got
then
the
next
step
is
that
all
of
the
billing
systems
and
the
categories
have
to
be
set
up
in
the
hud
system
in
order
to
begin
to
draw
down
money.
So
at
this
point
in
time,
that's
still
what's
in
process,
so
we
have
not
actually
received
any
money
yet.
H
E
So
so
the
two,
the
two
tranches
that
were
run
by
I'm
not
going
to
get
this
exactly
correct,
but
by
their
redevelopment
authority
I
think
that
they
use
cdbg
cares
for
the
first
one
and
and
for
the
second
one.
Obviously
it's
it's.
They
may
use
multiple
sources
for
the
first
one
frankly,
but
that's
one
source,
I'm
relatively
confident
of
for
the
current
one.
Obviously
their
state
cares
dollars
and
they're
putting
on
top
of
that,
I'm
seeing
some
of
the
crf
dollars
right.
The
chrono
virus
relief
fund
dollars.
On
top
of
that.
H
E
G
H
And
I
think
that
was
my
next
question
as
we
take
a
look
at
the
fact
that
the
municipal
courts
intend
to
resume
lockouts
starting
october
7th.
Is
there
a
plan,
or
do
you
have
an
amount
that
we
can
discuss
about
whether
any
cares
money
or
additional
funds
can
go
into
the
next
few
months
to
either
provide
money
at
point
of
diversion?
E
Given
the
restrictions
on
that
program
and
the
kind
of
the
artificial
deadline
of
september
30th,
which
I
know
is
tomorrow,
but
since
the
state
legislature
is
looking
at
amending
it,
and
one
of
the
amendments
would
be
to
extend
the
deadline
until
october
30th.
So
so
I
think
other
folks
in
the
city
that
are
managing
these
funds
are
trying
to
pay
attention
to
what's
happening
at
the
state
before
we
put
local
dollars
in.
H
G
Oh,
I
think
we
have
quite
a
few
beds,
I
would
say
maybe
200
something
like
that.
We
we
could
open
up
more
beds.
The
we've
been
very
careful
because
we're
trying
to
make
sure
that
we
don't
spark
a
coveted
outbreak
so
we're
trying
to
keep
them
as
sparsely
not
as
sparsely
filled
but
as
keep
social
distancing
in
place
and
also
as
the
weather
gets
colder.
G
E
H
G
K
H
G
Well,
I
think,
as
we
know,
council
member,
that
when
matt
desmond
did
the
original
work
on
eviction,
he
actually
characterized
mass
evictions
probably
five
years
ago
now.
Mass
eviction
is
the
black
female
correlate
to
mass
incarceration
for
black
men.
So
we
know
that
that
african-american
women
are
disproportionately
impacted
by
eviction.
H
Yes,
thank
you
and
then
are
there.
You
know
one.
I
know
that
you
had
mentioned
earlier
with
councilmember
bass,
that
there
might
be
a
reduction
in
the
number
of
available
family
beds.
Is
that
right
because
of
the
potential
closure
of
those
two
or
the
repurposing
of
those
two
shelters,
and
is
that
based
on
the
fact
that
there's
availability,
despite
the
fact
that
we've
got
a
moratorium
in
place
which
may
be
impacting
numbers
right
like
I
I?
What
I
wanted
to
understand
was
whether
that
was
a
long-term
movement
towards
that
you
know.
H
Obviously
we
feel
like
this
stage
with
the
eviction.
Moratorium
is
very
fragile
and
should
the
courts
begin,
you
know
we
assume
that
there
are.
We
estimate
about
2,
000,
immediate
lockouts
that
could
be
in
the
hands
of
a
landlord-tenant
officer
in
a
matter
of
you
know,
days
effectively,
and
then
we've
got
more
that
are
being
scheduled
and
a
thousand
plus
that
have
already
been
filed
since
september.
G
We
are
that's
why
we
are
really
trying
to
manage
this
balancing
act.
We
don't
want
to
have
an
oversupply
of
bids,
because
that
money
could
be
repurposed
in
theory
and
at
the
same
time,
because
we
don't
know,
what's
going
to
happen
with
the
eviction
moratorium,
the
unemployment
rate
with
the
pandemic,
we
really
feel
that
we
have
to
keep
all
of
our
options
open.
G
Some
of
this
also
for
us,
relates
to
what
you
can
use,
which
pot
of
money,
for,
unfortunately,
it
gets
to
council
member
brooks
question
and
the
esg
money
that
we
have
that's
the
biggest
source
of
money
that
we
have
right
now
cannot
be
used
for
eviction
prevention
or
eviction.
Defense,
so
we're
in
a
little
bit
of
a
tricky
balancing
place
with
that.
H
G
H
G
This
there
is
a
program
called
the
this
catchy
name:
the
section
811
program,
which
we
it's
a
federal
program
that
does
provide
accessible
units
for
people,
and
so
we
actively
you
know,
take
we
do
everything
we
can
to
get
people
into
those
units.
Most
of
those
referrals
come
from
liberty
resources
and
then
we
also
try
to
get
people
into
affordable
units
that
are
accessible
and
there
are
some
pha
units
that
are
accessible,
that
we
are
able
to
access.
G
But
the
fact
of
the
matter
is
that
we
do
have
people
in
our
shelters
who
have
physical
disabilities
and
it's
it's
a
crime
and
a
sin.
I
don't
think
anybody
who's
elderly.
I
don't
think
anybody
should
be
homeless,
but
for
people
who
are
physically
disabled
or
elderly
or
mobility
impaired
to
be
in
shelter
is
just
you
know,
it's
really
unacceptable.
G
We
do
allow
people
to
come
in
if
they
have
a
full-time
aide
and
the
aid
is
accommodated.
So
we
do
have
folks
in
those
situations
as
well.
On
the
behavioral
health
side,
a
lot
of
folks
have
behavioral
health
challenges
or,
as
we
like
to
say,
being
homeless,
is
crazy.
Making
sorry,
forgive
me
for
being
politically
incorrect.
G
The
higher
incidence
of
behavioral
health,
specifically
serious
mental
health
is
more
on
the
single
side
and
more
on
people
who
are
unsheltered
and
just
like
we've
seen
half
the
people
in
the
code
prevention
space
come
from
the
street.
Very
often,
people
have
a
serious
mental
illness,
really
can't
live
in
a
congregate
site
for
a
variety
of
reasons
and
so
being
able
to
help
them
get
into
a
place
where
they
have
a
little
privacy
and
can
get
the
care
they
need
is
very
effective.
H
H
G
No,
I
actually
don't
know
what
the
rules
are
at
this
point
in
time
for
the
housing
choice,
vouchers
or
that
or
tax
credit
funding.
I
know
they
are
required
to
have
a
set.
Aside
of,
I
think,
20
of
their
units
first
quote,
unquote
special
needs,
but
above
and
beyond
that,
I
actually
don't
know
what
the
answer
to
that
question
is.
H
I
B
E
M
M
I
believe
I'm
the
only
person
not
already
a
a
member
of
a
service
organization
or
council
who
signed
up
to
testify
today,
and
I
was
surprised
to
learn
that
as
I
waited
on
hold.
I
remembered
the
phrase
nothing
about
us
without
us
and
I'm
aware
that,
as
near
as
I
can
tell
I
have
listened
since
the
beginning,
there
has
been
no
direct
testimony
from
actual
homeless
people.
It's
been
about
homeless
people.
M
I
understand
that
this
is
the
first
hearing
I'm.
I
know
that
the
homeless
encampment
has
a
standing,
brunch
invitation
out
to
the
mayor
and
I'm
sure
that
if
people
from
council
wanted
to
have
brunch
at
the
parkway
site,
they
would
be
accommodated
also,
and
it
might
be
an
important
way
for
the
people
actually
affected
to
be
able
to
more
directly
inform
the.
M
If
the,
if
city
council
would
abandon
the
the
tax
exempt
status
or
the
tax
abatement
permitted
to
people
who
are
actually
very
rich
and
don't
need
it,
I
I
I
think
I'll
I'll
I'll
I'll
stop
with
with
that.
I
don't
want
to
hurt
anybody's
feelings,
and
I
hope
that
you
will
accept
these
words
as
not
personal
criticism,
but
systemic
criticism
and
an
effort
to
point
city
council
to
where
it
can
do
its
job
I'll,
take
questions.
If
people
want
to
ask
me
any
thank.
B
You
so
much
for
your
for
your
testimony
and
your
your
critiques.
They're
important
I've
been
to
the
encampment
several
times
as
have,
as
has
councilman
brooks,
but
I
I
take
your
point
that
we
have
to
be
highlighting
the
real
lived,
experiences
and
stories
of
people,
so
we'll
do
I'll
do
a
better
job
next
time
of
making
sure
that
we
that
we
include
that
and
give
it
space.
Are
there
any
questions
or
comments
from
members
of
the
committee
for
this
witness.
D
F
A
B
J
All
right,
my
name
is
sterling
johnson,
I'm
with
the
black
and
brown
workers
cooperative,
I'm
a
lawyer
with
10
years
experience
supporting
people
with
disabilities,
hiv
substance
disorders,
mental
health
disorders,
as
well
as
just
people
that
are
low
income.
Personally,
I'm
I
identify
the
person
who
uses
drugs.
I've
been
in
mental
health
recovery
for
a
time
or
specifically
with
philadelphia
system
for
the
last
seven
years,
and
I
am
have
been.
J
I
worked
at
the
social
service
agency
as
well
as
the
legal
services
agencies
and
around
housing.
So
I
see
a
lot
of
the
different
issues
and
how
they
affect
each
other,
so
I'm
currently
with
the
encampment
that
is
at
the
ben
franklin
parkway,
I'm
currently
negotiating
with
them
with
the
city.
Since
june
10th
the
people
there
have
been
organizing
in
their
own
rights.
So
I
don't
want
to
say
that
I
represent
every
single
issue,
but
I've
been
a
lawyer.
That's
supporting
basically
the
people
there
communicating
exactly
what
they
want.
J
So
we,
a
few
things,
is
that
you
know
just
this
policy
must
be
in
all
homelessness
service
providers.
That's
not
the
case
right
now,
especially
the
major
ones.
There
must
be
focus
on
permanent
housing
solutions.
Community
land
trust
was
the
demand
that
we
had
the
first
political
immigrant
command
that
we
had
at
the
enchantment.
We
need
to
enforce
discrimination
laws,
especially
source
of
income,
racial,
racial
discrimination,
as
well
as
evictions
and
criminal
records
discrimination
that
occurs.
Those
are
just
proxies
for
racial
discrimination.
In
our
cities.
J
We
must
force
hospitals
and
prisons
that
actually
have
surge
policies
are
not
the
shelters
and
not
to
the
street.
They
need
to
be
held
accountable
for
all
the
harm
that
they
do.
We
also
you
must
use
the
money
that's
currently
used
for
homeless,
sleeps
and
other,
including
the
police,
interaction
with
people
that
are
on
house.
J
You
must
use
all
that
money
to
actually
support
the
people
that
are
on
the
street,
and
that
means
making
a
sanctioned
space,
whether
it's
actually
sanctioned
and
managed
by
a
service
right
of
some
sort
or
just
a
space
for
amnesty
that
allows
for
people
to
be
so
they
are
not
being
pushed
and
moved
around
all
all
year.
So
in
general
I
mean
those
are
the.
Those
are
the
points
that
I
want
to
hit.
I
have
tested
testimony
in
here.
J
I
feel
like
some
of
the
awesome
facts
that
I
have
is
that
we
actually
need
more
hotels.
This
is
something
that
I
said
before.
We
need
to
hold
private
people
accountable
with
40
vacancy
rate.
In
the
hotels,
there
is
space
for
people
to
be
private
developers
in
general,
just
leave
properties
available
in
our
neighborhoods,
as
well
as
the
pha,
even
our
non-profit,
host
housing
developers,
they
evict
people
constantly
from
their
from
their
space
as
well,
and
that's
how
how
people
end
up
at
at
our
encampment.
J
They
are
evicted
from
spaces,
whether
officially
or
unofficially,
they
are
told
that
they,
you
should
not
be
where
they're
at.
Even
when
we
attempt
to
put
people
into
the
homeless
service
provider
network
those
spaces
evict
people,
we,
I
personally
help
people
I
work
with
and
david
as
well
to
get
people
back
into
a
shelter,
get
people
back
into
a
safe
haven.
J
That
is
the
work
that
that
really
is
unnecessary.
There
really
does
not
need
to
be
a
sumer
like
a
summary
discharge
policy
that
happens
from
every
service
provider.
That
then
allows
them
to
be
back
on
the
street.
The
amount
of
people
that
have
been
entered
into
services
from
our
encampment
is
not
150.
J
Maybe
they
entered
that
many
people
that
they
may
be
double
triple
or
quadruple
counting
people,
because
we
they've
exited
and
then
they've
had
been
placed
back
in
or
they're
still
at
the
encampment.
So
when
we
were
talking
about
like
what
are
the
issues
that
need
to
be
done
like,
I
will
stop
right
here
and
say
there
are
significant
barriers
to
people
staying
in
these
spaces,
whether
it's
just
whether
it's
just
the
cultural
nature
of
them.
It
reminds
people
of
being
in
jail.
J
We
cannot
have
tiny
jails
in
our
systems,
traditional
large
suppliers
of
housing
or
recovery
housing
like
private
column.
One
day
at
a
time
they
can't
have
horse
roll
systems
that
make
people
take
constant
drug
tails
that
basically
surveil
people
that
question
whether
they
have
guests.
There
are
no
guest
policies.
There
are
curfews
on
different
faces.
F
J
Treat
people
grown
adults
30
30
year
old
people
40
year
old
people
with
curfews
is
offensive
like
we
have
to
understand
that
we
cannot
create
basically
a
small
prison
and
expect
anybody
to
stay
in
it,
and
then
we
count
those
as
permanent
housing
solutions.
That
is
wrong.
That
is,
that
is
wrong.
There
has
to
be
a
network
where
you
are
actually
talking
to
people
that
are
on
house
and
we're
not
talking
about
the
unsheltered
housing
group
that
has
a
bunch
of
business
people
on
it
that
needs
to
be
abolished.
J
You
need
to
be
listening
to
people
that
aren't
housed.
That
is
the
only
solution.
There
are
no
other
solutions,
but
besides
actually
supporting
people
that
are
in
house
and
actually
do
it,
and
also
just.
Lastly,
there's
60
000
people,
households
that
earn
less
than
ten
thousand
dollars
a
year.
We
need
to
actually
understand
that
need
and
meet
that
need
and
stop
exclusionary
zoning
policies.
Presenting
policies
are
things
that
that
that
white
supremacists
do.
That
is
that
it's
not.
That
is
not
what
we
should
be
doing.
J
Any
exclusionary
housing
policy
needs
to
be
stopped
right
now.
Councilmanic
prerogative
really
has
to
be
questioned
and
abolished,
because
we
see
that
that
is
what
causes
our
current
situation,
and
please
understand
that
it
is
not
an
accident.
It
really
seems
intentional
if
you
do
not
actually
stop
and
that's
what
is
actually
required
of
you
under
the
afh.
You
know
we
have
another
administration,
sorry
I
will
be.
I
have
wrapped
up,
but
the
assessment,
fair
housing
again
go
back
to
it
and
says
you
have
to
intentionally
stop
housing
discrimination.
B
L
L
My
name
is
david,
fair,
f-a-I-r's,
my
last
name
good
morning.
I
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
provide
testimony
this
morning
on
behalf
of
the
philly
homes
for
youth
coalition.
I
am
deputy
chief
executive
officer
of
turning
points
for
children
and
a
co-founder
and
former
co-chair
of
the
coalition.
I
have
submitted
more
intensive,
extensive
testimony.
As
I
ask
you
to
review
a
recent
survey
by
the
field
center
at
penn
reported
that
among
youth
in
foster
care,
43
percent
reported
covet
19
having
a
negative
impact
on
their
living
situation.
L
Over
seven
percent
were
living
on
the
street
at
the
time
they
were
surveyed
in
august
of
2016.
The
youth
point
in
time
count
counted,
569
homeless,
youth
between
the
ages
of
13
and
25
in
philadelphia,
and
a
survey
conducted
by
the
philadelphia
school
district
that
of
high
school
students
found
that
over
700
older
students
reported
being
homeless
for
at
least
one
night
in
the
previous
year.
We're
sure
we
don't
need
to
tell
you
that
youth
homelessness
is
a
crisis
for
the
philadelphia
community
and
it's
one
that
has
only
worsened
during
the
pandemic.
L
For
the
end,
at
a
time
of
increased
understanding
and
recognition
of
the
special
challenges
facing
disenfranchised
community,
it
is
also
important
to
recognize
that
most
homeless,
youth
in
philadelphia
are
black
and
latinx,
and
the
large
percentage
of
these
young
people
are
former
foster
youth
and
lgbtq
youth.
Since
2016-16,
the
33
organizational
members
of
the
philly
homes
for
youth
coalition
and
our
youth
members
with
lived
experience
of
homelessness
have
played
a
leading
and
essential
role
in
developing
and
implementing
the
city's
efforts
to
reduce
homelessness
among
youth
and
young
adults.
L
The
wall
of
the
coalition
in
this
area
was
codified
in
2018
in
the
office
of
homeless
services,
roadmap
to
home
strategic
plan
until
the
end
of
fiscal
year.
2019.
This
effort
was
co-facilitated
by
an
ohs
youth
homeless
coordinator,
along
with
co-chairs
from
the
young
adult
leadership
committee
and
the
provider
agency,
when
the
ohs
position
was
suddenly
eliminated
last
year
and
recognizing
the
ongoing
wall
of
the
coalition
in
developing
ohs's
youth
homelessness
prevention
strategy,
ohs
agreed
to
provide
one
year
of
funding
to
support
a
part-time
coordinator
to
provide
administrative
support
to
the
coalition.
L
attached
to
my
submitted.
Testimony
is
an
extensive
list
of
the
goals
and
accomplishments
of
the
coalition
in
its
short
history.
Today,
the
coalition
asked
city
council
to
reaffirm
the
earlier
recognition
of
the
coalition
as
a
formal
partner
to
ohs
and
the
city
of
philadelphia,
with
the
role
of
facilitating
collaboration
among
agencies
and
integration
of
efforts
to
end
youth
homelessness
in
the
city
government,
as
contemplated
by
the
roadmap
to
home
strategic
plan.
Further,
the
coalition
requests
that
the
council
recommend
to
the
to
ohs
and
to
provide
annual
funding
to
support
the
coalition's
work
each
fiscal
year.
L
These
funds
are
needed
to
support
a
full-time
coordinator,
provide
financial
support
for
young
people
with
lived
experience,
to
continue
to
exert
leadership
in
the
coalition's
work
and
advance
efforts
to
raise
funds
from
other
sources
to
support
the
coalition's
work
in
the
future.
Thank
you
for
your
kind
attention
and
consideration.
B
B
B
K
K
They
know
about
outreach,
but
people.
A
lot
of
people
do
not
know
that
there
is
an
office
of
homeless
services
and
philadelphia
or
how
to
access
that
office.
So
I
think
that
is
an
issue,
and
I
also
feel
like
a
lot
of
the
services
provided
by
the
office
are
very
insufficient
and
very
inaccessible
to
most
people.
K
I
feel
like
this
hearing
itself
is
even
very
inaccessible
to
most
people
that
are
affected
by
the
issue
like
people
that
are
living
outdoors,
even
if
they
have
devices
the
battery
power
may
not
be
charged.
They
are
unable
to
testify
at
this
hearing
regarding
their
experiences
with
that
office.
But
from
my
personal
experiences
and
things
that
I
witnessed
a
lot
of
things
need
to
change.
There
needs
to
be
more
representation
from
people
that
are
homeless
or
have
experienced
homelessness
in
the
office
of
homeless
services.
K
But
you
have
to
be
open
to
hear
from
the
people
who
are
being
affected
and
it
seems
like
the
office
of
homeless
services
focuses
more
on
like
services
that
are
like
things
that
people
could
receive
through
their
insurance
and
through
other
programs
rather
than
by
actual
housing
in
the
actual
process
of
getting
people
off
of
the
streets
and
keeping
people
in
their
homes.
There's
just
like
all
these
other
services
and
and
they're,
not
sufficient
homeless
outreach
like
there's
so
much
money
going
into
all
these
things.
K
A
personal
friend
of
mine
that
has
been
like
in
the
shelter
for
almost
like
three
years
going
through
this
like
process
of
having
a
job.
She
got
a
job
and
she
thought
that
she
could
stay
in
the
shelter
for
a
while
and
save
up.
And
she
was
given
a
deadline
which
wasn't
enough
time
for
her
to
save
up
money.
So
she
quit
the
job
and
now
she's
like
just
still
sitting
in
the
shelter.
K
So
there's
these
cycles
that
are
happening
and
it
seems
like
the
upper
level
staff
of
the
office
of
homeless
services,
isn't
really
open
to
the
criticism.
They
just
say.
They
don't
believe
these
things
when
they're
coming
from
the
people
who
live
in
there,
there
needs
to
be
a
clear
oversight,
process
and
complaint
process
for
people
who
are
experiencing
issues
in
the
shelter
it
shouldn't
just
be
because
a
shelter
staff
said
that
a
thing
happened
that
it's
just
true
like
there
should
be
a
process
for
filing
a
complaint.
K
There
should
be
a
grievance
process
before
an
individual
is
kicked
out.
People
are
kicked
out
on
moments
of
notice,
from
the
shelter
in
storms
in
any
kind
of
weather,
and
there
needs
to
be
a
grievance
process
if
you're
winning
an
apartment,
even
if
it's
subsidized
by
the
government
right,
you
get
a
process
before
you're
removed.
So
why
is
it
okay
to
just
tell
a
mother
and
her
children
or
a
single
person
that,
because
this
issue
happened,
it
could
just
be
a
personality
class
between
a
staff
and
a
person
that
lives
there
like?
K
G
K
K
But
the
issue
that
I
see
is
that
there's
a
lack
of
transparency
and
there's
a
lack
of
accountability,
and
there
needs
to
be
a
really
clear-cut
process
with
each
program
that
that
says
that
this
office
overseas
for
appointed
person
for
people
to
contact,
if
they're
having
an
issue
with
that
department
or
if
they
need
something
from
that
department
and
the
the
process
before
taking
people
out
of
the
shelter
they're.
That's
really
important
to
me.
There
has
to
be
a
process
and
there
has
to
be
a
process
before
barring
people.
K
The
shelter
system
is
able
to
just
bar
people
for
30
60
90
days
without
any
kind
of
process.
So
I
mean
I
think,
that
those
those
are
the
things
that
are
most
important
to
me
and
to
really
see
where
the
office
has
a
pretty
large
budget
like.
Where
is
that
money
going
and
could
it
be
utilized
in
a
different
way
to
actually
solve
the
problem?
And
I
guess
that's
all.
I
have.