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Committee on Public Safety June 27,2023
A
B
Continue
with
Public
Safety
Tuesday,
6,
27,
2000
and
23,
and
we
are
having
a
public
hearing
on
testimony
regarding
resolution
number
230,
-467,
Mr
glass.
Will
you
please
read
the
title
of
the
resolution.
B
Mr
glass
will
be
joining
us
shortly
to
read
the
title
of
the
bill
and
to
read
an
important
announcement
regarding
being
virtual,
and
then
we
will
get
started.
C
I
apologize,
Mr
chairman
read
the
title
of
the
resolution.
That's.
C
Yes,
Mr,
chairman
I,
understand
the
state
law
currently
requires
that
the
following
announcement
be
made
at
the
beginning
of
every
remote
public
hearing
as
follows.
Due
to
the
current
Public
Health
Emergency
city
council
committees
are
currently
meeting
remotely,
we
are
using
Microsoft
teams
to
make
these
remote
hearings
possible
instructions
for
how
the
public
May,
View
and
offer
public
testimony
of
public
hearings
of
council
committees
are
included
in
the
public
hearing,
notices
that
are
published
in
The,
Daily,
News,
Inquirer
and
legal
intelligence,
proud
of
the
hearings
and
can
also
be
found
on
phlcounsel.com.
C
Everyone
who
has
been
invited
to
the
beatings
test
should
be
aware
that
this
public
hearing
is
being
recorded,
because
this
hearing
is
being
recorded.
Participants
and
viewers
have
no
reasonable
expectation
of
privacy.
By
continuing
to
be
in
a
meeting,
you
are
consenting
to
being
recorded
addition
prior
to
council,
member
Jones
recognizing
members
for
the
questions
or
comments
they
have
for
the
witnesses.
C
B
Thank
you,
Mr
glass.
We
will
now
call
the
roll
and
we'll
members
in
attendance.
Please
say
a
few
words
so
that
your
image
is
captured
on
the
screen.
Mr
glass,
council
member.
C
B
Good
morning,
Mr,
chairman
good
morning,
colleagues
I
am
present
I
think
I
heard
member
Phillips
as
well.
C
B
I
am
president
and
a
quorum
has
been
established,
so
the
committee
is
now
underway,
I'd
like
to
recognize
the
author
of
this
resolution
for
comments
as
we
open
the
hearings.
A
Thank
you
very
much
Mr
chair
good
morning,
everyone
and
thank
you
for
taking
the
time
out
of
your
busy
schedules
to
join
us
for
this
critical
important
hearing
today.
I
understand
this
is
still
an
ongoing
investigation
and
many
questions
may
not
be
answered,
but
I
do
expect
as
much
transparency
as
possible
to
say
the
unimagined
on
the
management.
Bowl
event
of
Sunday
May
7th
were
alarming,
for
the
for
the
residents
of
Philadelphia
is
a
huge
understatement.
A
Thus
I
felt
it
felt
the
timing
couldn't
be
more
appropriate
for
this
discussion.
Ultimately,
we
need
answers.
We
need
solutions
to
prevent
something
like
this
from
ever
occurring
again.
I
am
confident
the
testimony
we
hear
today
will
get
us
a
step
closer
to
those
goals,
the
most
important
of
which
is
having
a
safe
City
and
a
society
that
is
protected
from
people
who
have
been
incarcerated
for
crimes
against
the
citizens
of
Philadelphia.
Thank
you,
Mr,
chair.
B
Thank
you,
member
Vaughn,
I
just
would
say,
as
chair
of
Public
Safety,
that
as
we
unpeel,
some
of
the
issues
are
related
to
the
escape,
and
some
of
the
long-standing
issues
are
related
to
criminal
incarceration
in
the
city
of
Philadelphia.
That
we
need
to
keep
in
mind
several
things
that
our
number
one
priority
is
Public
Safety
our
number
one
in
that
keeping
the
public
safety
that
includes
Corrections
Officers
staff
and
inmates,
and
that
that
balance
is
a
difficult
one
to
obtain.
B
We
also
recognize
that,
during
these
hearings,
there
are
ongoing
investigations
that
we
will
not
probably
be
able
to
ask
specific
questions
about.
But
what
we
can
do
is
talk
in
generalities
about
what
systems
and
what
systems
Corrections
need
to
occur,
to
make
sure
that
this
never
happens
again
and
with
that
said,
are
there
any
other
members
of
the
committee
who
would
like
to
offer
comments.
B
Hearing
none
Mr
glass.
Will
you
please
let
us
know
who
is
the
first
panel
to
testify.
E
B
B
E
Carney
councilmember
Jones,
chair
of
the
Committee
on
Public
Safety
and
members
of
city
council.
My
name
is
Blanche
Carney,
commissioner
of
the
Philadelphia
Department
of
Prisons.
I
am
here
to
provide
testimony
for
resolution
number
230-467
regarding
the
Escape
of
two
inmates
from
the
Philadelphia
Department
of
Prisons
Philadelphia
industrial
Correctional
Center
on
May
7,
2023
I
will
recite
the
points
in
the
resolution
followed
by
my
responses,
whereas
on
Sunday,
May,
7
2023
at
approximately
8
30
p.m.
E
Yes,
we
are
grateful
for
the
amazing
death
combined
law
enforcement
and
apprehending
the
escapees
and
those
who
help
them
upon
discovering
the
escape.
The
PDP
worked
with
law
enforcement
in
providing
information
which
helped
lead
to
the
capture
of
both
escapees
and
also
the
arrest
of
two
individuals
in
the
community
who
help
with
their
escape
additionally,
PDP
obtained
and
provided
to
law
enforcement
information
which
led
to
charges
being
filed
on
an
incarcerated
individual
from
the
housing
unit
of
Mr,
Hearst
and
Mr
Grant,
who
assisted
them
with
their
escape
and
whereas
to
their
credit.
E
The
Philadelphia
Department
of
Prisons
immediately
referred
this
matter
to
its
office
of
professional
compliance
for
investigation,
including
a
thorough
review
of
security,
tapes,
Staffing
assignments,
telephone
logs
and
other
evidence
from
the
time
leading
up
to
the
escape
and
the
discovery
of
the
inmates
absence.
This
is
correct.
Their
ongoing
civil
and
civilian
invest
criminal
investigations
into
this
matter.
E
I
cannot
provide
any
information
which
could
jeopardize
the
ongoing
investigations,
but
will
attempt
to
answer
questions
to
the
extent
possible,
given
the
ongoing
open
investigations
and
whereas,
in
addition,
the
mayor
and
managing
director
reached
out
to
Governor
Shapiro
to
bring
in
the
Pennsylvania
Department
of
Corrections
to
conduct
the
security
and
vulnerability
assessment
of
the
facility.
Having
requested
the
vulnerability
assessment
from
the
Pennsylvania
Department
of
Corrections
during
my
May
8
2023
press
conference,
I'm
leading
pdp's
continued
efforts
to
work
with
the
Pennsylvania
Department
of
Corrections
as
they
assess
the
security
of
the
Philadelphia
Department
of
Prisons.
E
The
Observers,
including
the
federal
monitors
appointed
by
the
Remick
versus
city
of
Philadelphia,
have
been
expressing
their
great
concerns
about
prison
conditions
for
many
years
and
I.
Acknowledge
the
crisis
to
Staffing
is
challenges
to
our
operations,
brought
on
by
the
covid-19
19
pandemic
prior
to
the
onset
of
the
pandemic.
E
As
a
result
of
collaborative
work
between
the
Philadelphia
Department
of
prisons
and
the
many
stakeholders
in
the
criminal
justice
system,
the
incarcerated
population
appeared
to
be
continually
decreasing
consistent
with
the
goals
of
the
MacArthur
Foundation
Grant
and
the
stakeholder
participants
for
that
environment
and
those
population
Trends.
The
Philadelphia
Department
of
Prisons
had
adequate
Staffing
to
operate
its
facilities
and
was
able
to
implement
a
prep
plethora
of
programming
and
activities
to
serve
the
incarcerated
population
and
support
its
Workforce.
Unfortunately,
that
downward
trend
is
no
longer
continuing.
E
E
Pdp
has
similar
similarly
experienced
this
same
significant
and
unexpected
increase
in
attrition
over
the
past
three
years.
At
its
current
Staffing
level,
PDP
is
unable
to
fully
reopen
its
facilities
and
unable
to
resume
the
first
level
of
programs
provided
to
the
incarcerated
population
we
have
and
we
must
and
we
have
prioritized
access
to
medical
and
behavioral
health
care,
including
substance
abuse
treatment.
Pdp
has
also
continuously
worked
to
higher
and
onboard
new
employees
again
as
experienced
by
Corrections
Nationwide.
E
The
competitive
labor
market
has
made
it
difficult
to
attract,
hire
and
retain
staff
presenting
a
continued
challenge
to
fill
vacancies.
We
have
attempted
to
address
this
challenge
by
securing
a
significantly
a
significant
Staffing
salary
increase,
along
with
the
12-hour
schedule
that
ensures
security
staff.
Do
not
work
more
than
three
days
in
a
row
compared
to
six
days
in
a
row
previously
with
every
other
weekend,
Friday,
Saturday
and
Sunday
off
which
the
previous
schedule
never
allowed.
This
schedule
allows
for
more
time
off
and
greater
work-life
balance.
E
We
are
making
every
effort
to
hire
new
employees
and
continuously
optimistic
that
the
describe
increases
in
salaries
will
prove
attractive
and
a
counterweight
to
the
public
coverage
of
Corrections
during
the
pandemic.
Our
goal
continues
to
be
to
highlight
the
benefits
of
employment
and
Corrections
and
to
not
highlight
the
inherent
challenges
that
the
advertising
starting
point,
while
also
working
to
rebuild
the
community's
trust.
E
As
the
PDP
is
working
to
fill
vacancies
and
manages
facilities
with
the
current
complement
of
dedicated
Correctional
civilian
and
contracted
staff,
it
is
imperative
that
all
of
our
partners
in
the
criminal
justice
system
work
toward
resuming
timely
disposition
of
cases.
We
acknowledge
that
the
current
population
has
more
serious
charges
which
does
not
allow
for
immediate
release
diversion
as
in
Prior
years.
E
This
came
of
no
surprise
because
this
was
indicated
in
the
MacArthur
report
that
we
would
reach
this
population.
At
some
point,
it
is
imperative
that
such
cases
be
tried
that
case
continuouses
be
eliminated
and
that
our
pre-trial
incarcerated
population
are
either
County
or
state
sentence
or
case
process
for
release.
E
E
It
is
also
why
I
focus
relentlessly
on
hiring
and
retention
simply
put.
We
need
staff
and
we
are
eager
to
work
collaboratively
to
fill
vacancies.
It
will
require
a
collaborative
effort
to
accomplish
filling
vacancies,
managing
messaging
and
employment
trends.
The
funding
earmarked
in
the
recent
budget,
which
was
passed,
acknowledges
hiring
and
retention,
as
a
priority
of
which
prisons
will
take
full
advantage,
whereas
in
fiscal
year
17
the
department
of
Prisons
was
fully
staffed.
E
The
way
that
it
should
now,
therefore,
be
it
resolved
that
the
city
of
Philadelphia
city
council
hereby
authorize
this
public
hearing
regarding
the
Escape
of
the
two
individuals,
Philadelphia
Department
of
Prisons
will
continue
its
efforts
to
support
our
Workforce
by
filling
positions,
working
collaboratively
with
the
city
of
Philadelphia
in
order
to
provide
security
inside
our
facilities,
increase
visibility
of
Supervisors
to
support
our
front
line
correctional
officers
throughout
the
schedules.
Accountability
of
staff
to
ensure
procedures
are
followed
and
verified.
E
Philadelphia
Department
of
Prisons
is
a
vital
component
of
the
criminal
justice
system
and
it
is
dependent
on
the
department
on
the
partnership
of
our
criminal
justice,
Partners
to
assure
individuals
accused
or
convicted
have
a
speedy
trial
service
sentence,
no
more
than
23
and
a
half
months
less
one
day
and
or
promptly
transported
to
a
State
Correctional
Facility
upon
receiving
such
a
sentence
and
any
individual
found
not
guilty
is
promptly
released.
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
provide
testimony
and
I'm
here
to
answer
questions
as
I
am
able
thank.
B
You
thank
you
for
that
testimony,
commissioner
I'm,
going
to
yield
the
mic
to
member
Vaughn,
who
is
the
author
of
The
Resolution
I,
will
come
back
and
ask
some
questions
that
I
have
in
my
mind,
based
on
the
extensive
testimony
you
provided,
so
that
we
can
unpack
it
and
compartmentalize
some
of
the
answers.
Member
Vaughn,
yes,.
A
Thank
you
very
much,
commissioner
Carney,
for
your
statement.
It
makes
it
look
like
a
wonderful
place
to
work,
however,
based
on
a
lot
of
the
issues
and
concerns
from
the
correctional
officers
that
I
hear
from
on
a
daily
basis.
We
both
know
that
that
is
not
the
case
and
it
looks
like
you
have
been
doing
excellent
work
and
trying
to
recruit
as
well
as
make
it
a
profitable
place
to
work.
I
do
have
a
few
questions
about
the
head
count
procedure.
A
I
understand
that
you
said
it
was
not
done
properly.
Can
you
go
into
detail
how
that
was
not
done
properly.
E
Thank
you
for
that
question.
Council
member
Vaughn.
Unfortunately,
I
cannot
go
into
an
answer
because
it
that
information
has
been
provided
as
part
of
the
investigation
and
for
me
to
speak
now,
could
potentially
upend.
A
E
So
how
it's
usually
done
a
correctional
officer
assigned
to
a
housing
unit
is,
is
aware
of
the
total
number
of
individuals
on
that
particular
housing
unit.
They
go
around
to
each
cell
accounting
for
each
individual
and
then
that
number
should
match
up
with
the
housing
unit.
Log.
A
So
they
have
the
CDMA
to
ensure
that
the
inmate
is
present
in
the
prison.
Okay,
were
there
any
alarms
that
did
not
go
off
this
particular
day?
I
understand
you,
you
have
a
bubble
in
the
center
of
the
prison
and
they
watched
the
rows
of
cells.
A
E
So
the
alarm
that
I
believe
you're
referring
to
is
the
exterior
alarm.
Yes,
ma'am.
There
are
no
alarms
on
the
housing
units
they're
doing
the
direct
watch.
We
are
direct
watch
Department
and
so
that
alarm
did
not
activate
okay.
A
A
E
Those
posts
were
adequately
staffed.
We
implemented
immediately
following
perimeter,
patrols
both
foot
and
vehicular
patrols
for
that
immediate
area,
so
that
that's
not
a
wait
and
see
those
posts
are
filled.
Okay,.
A
Once
it
was
realized,
I'm
not
familiar
with
the
process
that
the
bmh
were
missing,
how
did
the
immediate
Community
get
informed
of
the
escapes
and
the
possibilities
that
these
individuals
still
could
have
been
in
that
area?
Is
there
some
type
of
alarm
that
needs
to
be
sound
at
the
prison?
Is
it
you
know
how
you
get
the
weather
alerts,
those
alarms
that
go
over
the
system
and
everybody
gets
them
on
their
cell
phones.
Is
that
something
that
should
have
been
done
by.
E
We
do
have
an
emergency
alert
system
for
the
immediate
community,
based
on
the
leeway
time
that
the
individuals
had
I
wanted
to
make
sure
that
it
wasn't
just
the
alert
for
the
community
which
definitely
have
been
long-standing
partners
with
us,
but
I
needed
a
full-on
press
head
man
hunt
for
these
individuals,
I
utilized
once
I
confirmed
the
information,
and
it
was
as
aggressive
as
we
could
possibly
upon
being
notified
that
we
had
to
escape
these
I
utilized
the
full
strength
of
the
media
to
send
this
out,
and
this
was
not
just
Community
but
city-wide
Nationwide
national
news
we
had
such
they
had
such
a
leeway
on
our
notification
and
becoming
aware
of
their
escape.
E
I
wanted
to
make
sure
I
got
that
out
there
to
everyone.
I,
possibly
could
so.
That
was
the
calculated
decision
for
not
sounding
the
alarm
prior
to
my
media
alert.
It
was
in
real
time
we
knew
we
were
going
to
have
a
press
conference
and
I
wanted
to
make
sure
I
got
that
information
out,
so
everyone
had
it
at
the
same
time.
Okay,.
E
I
cannot
tell
you
the
post.
What
I
can
tell
you
is?
We
are
Staffing
first,
the
post
that
has
an
incarcerated
population
I
can
share
with
you
that
our
budgeted
positions
which
we're
not
able
to
and
I
alluded
to
that
and
testify
to
that.
In
my
testimony
we
are
not
fully
operational.
We
don't
have
the
Staffing
full
strength
that
we
once
had
so
we're
Staffing
from
the
inside
out
and
the
critical
staffings
or
the
housing
units
and
anywhere
there's
an
incarcerated
population
in
addition
to
our
perimeter.
E
Staffing,
but
I
do
not
have
the
full
number
of
posts,
but
those
posts
include
programs
and
activities
that
I
simply
can't
offer
anymore
because
I
don't
have
staff,
so
the
emphasis
is
on
medical
care,
Behavioral,
Health,
Care
medication,
assistant
treatment.
We
have
some
small
educational
programs,
but
not
all
of
my
posts
are
filled
because
I
simply
do
not
have
the
staff
to
do
so
and
that's
a
delicate
balance
to
we
to
balance
between
security
and
those
emergent
services
that
must
be
provided
so.
A
You
mentioned
in
your
testimony
that
you're
implementing
a
12
hour
shift
has
that
started
already
and
if
so,
has
it
improved
the
mandatory
overtime
that
a
lot
of
the
CEOs
have
to
endure
because
of
lack
of
staff.
A
E
The
CFCF
was
the
first
facility
we
implemented
the
12-hour
schedule
in
2022
through
the
arbitration
award.
We
were
able
to
receive
the
expansion
of
the
12-hour
shift.
System-Wide
Riverside,
Correctional
Facility
just
started
their
12-hour
shift
two
weeks
ago
and
PICC
will
be
the
last
facility
to
be
onboarded
for
the
12-hour
shift.
E
While
it
is,
does
provide
work-life
balance.
We
still
need
to
fill
the
vacancies.
We
still
have
some
mandatory
overtime,
but
we've
seen
some
slight
decreases
in
staff.
Leave
usage
with
this
schedule,
as
I
testify
to
allows
for
individuals
to
have
one
weekend
off,
but
how
they
were
working
were
six
days
on
and
then
still
on
top
of
that
mandated
over
time,
so
it
it
does
help,
but
it
will
not
solve.
We
still
need
to
fill
the
vacancies.
E
A
Let's
go
back
if
you
will,
if
you
can
to
the
day
of
the
Escape,
once
it
was
known
that
they
had
escaped,
you
have
already
beginning
with
the
shortage
of
staff.
How
did
you
handle
trying
to
see
if
these
individuals
were
still
on
the
premises?
A
E
So
the
facility
was
locked
down,
meaning
everyone
was
returned
to
their
cells,
and
then
there
are
several
other
head
counts
where
we
do
lock-in
head
counts,
and
that
means
everyone
is
secured
in
their
their
assigned
cells.
Individuals
are
going
around.
We
have
the
other
facilities
that
then
were
placed
in
lockdown,
and
you
activate
your
external
perimeter
patrols
to
see
if
these
individuals
were
anywhere
else
inside
the
facility
on
campus
or
in
the
immediate
surrounding
areas
we
do
have
vehicles.
E
A
Okay,
you
mentioned
in
your
testimony
that
a
lot
of
these
short
staffing
was
a
result
of
cobit,
but
I'm
told
that
short
staffing
was
also
prior
to
covet.
A
Are
you
claiming
that
it
got
worse
as
a
result
of
covet,
and
if
so,
would
you
say
it
has
gotten
better
to
some
capacity
as
a
result
of
all
these
incentives
that
you
offer.
E
So
covid-19
exacerbated
are
vacancies
just
in
2018
we
had
closed
the
House
of
Corrections
ahead
of
schedule.
I
remember
that
we
deployed
every
single
correctional
officer
sergeant,
lieutenant
civilian
and
contractor
to
our
remaining
operational
facilities.
At
that
time
we
had
a
five
percent
vacancy
rate
at
that
time,
though,
in
the
the
the
edict
given
from
Council-
and
we
were
keenly
aware-
was
to
reduce
your
overtime
costs
anytime,
you
decrease
and
you
close
a
facility
because
your
population
is
decreasing.
The
overtime
decrease
drastically
as
well.
E
So
we
started
to
see
that
staff
started
to
transition
because
the
overtime
dollars
were
no
longer
going
to
be
given
or
or
managed
at
that
level,
and
what
we
saw
was
we
had
a
significantly
higher
Staffing
number
on
the
seven
to
three
shift:
that's
seven
to
three
shift
major
operations.
Majority
of
the
programs
operated
during
that
time,
but
we
also
had
a
a
significant
number
of
our
population
outside
of
the
facilities
during
that
time,
whether
it
be
for
court
off-site
Clinic,
trips
or
appointments.
E
We
also
saw
during
that
same
time
leading
us
up
to
2019
when
I
offered.
Initially,
the
12-hour
schedule
was
to
right
side
the
Staffing
complement.
We
saw
that
we
were
experiencing
staff
assaults
greatest
on
the
3-11
shift,
which
was
the
most
challenging
shift
to
fill
during
that
time,
and
that
was
even
with
the
closure
of
the
House
of
Corrections.
E
So
we
said
we
wanted
to
redeploy
those
staff
and
right-sided
so
that
we
not
only
could
keep
our
staff
safe
on
that
seven
or
three,
but
also
support
our
staff
on
the
three
to
eleven,
which
was
the
Lion's
Share
of
leave
usage.
At
that
time,
once
covid-19
hit,
it
was
exacerbated.
We
were
on
point
to
the
female
population
has
significantly
significantly
decreased.
We
were
able
to
remove
230
women
from
RCF,
which
was
the
direction
we
were
heading.
That
was
all
the
MacArthur
efforts.
E
We
were
right-siding
the
staff
that
would
be
assigned
the
population
was
decreasing,
covid
hit.
We
saw
our
number
of
attritions
Skyrocket,
so
it
was
exacerbated,
but
we
were
along
the
way
pre-pandemic
putting
in
place
how
we
should
assign
staff
based
on
the
population
Trend,
which
was
going
down.
So
we
were
in
a
good
position.
However,
those
efforts
were
upended
and
exacerbated
by
covet
19.
A
Okay,
I'm,
coming
to
the
end
Mr
chairman
I,
want.
A
You
I
want
you
to
understand,
commissioner.
This
is
not
personal.
You
and
I
have
never
personally
met,
and
this
is
just
information
that
has
been
channeled
to
my
office
and
we
wanted
to
have
an
opportunity
to
hear
your
side
of
it
as
well.
A
A
If
someone
tells
an
elected
official
or
a
person
in
Authority
about
conditions
that
are
unfair
or
not
just
in
an
environment,
we
want
to
hear
about
it
and
we
don't
want
that
person
to
be
feeling
as
though
they
have
to
leave
their
job
because
they
spoke
up
about
poor
working
conditions,
and
that
leads
me
into.
If
you
can
explain
to
me
how
it
was
decided
by
the
union
159
to
give
you
a
vote
of
no
confidence
on
May,
2nd.
E
Well,
being
the
commissioner
is
not
always
a
popular
position
because
you
have
to
make
the
hard
decisions
when
we
talk
about
accountability.
First
and
foremost,
we
have
dedicated
staff
that
you
wouldn't
believe
that
I
know
that
work
inside
these
facilities
and
we
would
be
far
worse
if
we
didn't
have
them.
That
has
to
be
balanced.
However,
against
rules
policy
regulations,
if
you
review
my
prior
testimonies,
it's
always
been
about
I
support
staff,
but
I
have
to
balance
that
up
against
accountability,
that's
absent
any
whistleblower
I
encourage
any
individual.
E
We
have
the
office
of
professional
compliance,
which
staff
can
go
to
report
staff
sometimes
take
advantage
on
reporting
information
to
the
office
of
Inspector
General.
The
eeo
office
so
therefore
encouraged
to
do
that
they
have
various
Avenues
and
anyone
who
would
seek
to
do
retaliation
once
we
get
those
complaints,
they're
investigated
and
based
on
the
information
and
evidence,
it'll
either
be
founded
or
unfounded,
so
the
process
doesn't
just
die
on
the
vine
once
one
is
in
initiated.
We
carry
you
through
the
delicate
balance
is
here.
E
We
know
that
this
is
a
challenging
profession,
but
we
also
have
to
hold
folks
accountable
to
ensure
that
the
job
for
which
they
were
hired
that
they're
not
abusing
leave
usage,
that's
time
that
they
don't
have
and
they're
just
calling
out
calling
out.
We
do
have
the
responsibility
for
providing
public
service
to
incarcerated
population,
and
we
can't
do
that
absent
staff.
E
So
it
is
a
delicate
balance
on
making
sure
that
the
rules
and
regulations
for
which
individuals
are
entitled
to
that
are
properly
covered
under
state
accounting
and
federal
programs
that
they
receive
that,
but
it
has
to
be.
There
has
to
be
accountability
it
it
cannot.
You
cannot
run
a
department
and
not
address
issues
that
you
see
that
are
systemic,
so
my
goal
here
since
2019
was
to
provide
a
work-life
balance
going
on
the
days
where
you
can
have
people
working
all
this
overtime
over
time
over
time.
There's.
E
A
And
now
you
mentioned,
you
know
the
the
seals
being
exhausted.
You
can't
expect
someone
to
work,
you
know
16
hours
and
more
and
not
get
a
break
at
some
point,
I
mean
just
to
go
home
and
brush
your
teeth.
It's
a
lot,
take
their
medications
that
they
may
have
missed
things
like
that.
You
know
that
that
has
to
be
considered.
E
And
I
I
agree
and
that's
why
I'm
saying,
even
though
we
have
the
twelves
and
for
transparency
we
still
have
mandated
over
time.
The
goal
is
to
decrease
that,
but
we
have
to
fill.
This
is
yeah,
that's
part
of
it,
but
we
have
to
staff
back
up.
People
are
not
machines
and
and
we're
working.
So
these
efforts
were
not
put
into
you
know
just
taking
them
out
the
sky
and
hoping
something
works.
E
Understanding
people
need
rest
periods,
we
want
to
reduce
the
overtime,
and
that
was
the
reason
we
knew
that
taken
away
and
reducing
overtime
costs.
What
were
you
giving
folks?
Well,
we
increased
the
salary
and
then
anything
else
is
negotiated
thereafter,
but
some
of
the
things,
but
we
have
to
work
the
field
of
vacancies.
That's
just
the
bottom
line.
That's.
A
E
B
You
so
much
member
and
thank
you
for
those
insightful
questions,
and
thank
you,
commissioner,
for
your
responses.
I'd
like
to
take
a
step
back-
and
you
know
you
know,
as
chair
of
Public
Safety
I've,
had
opportunity
to
visit
your
facilities.
Walk
of
in
those
pods
meet
your
Corrections
Officers,
who
are
professionals
who
are
doing
a
job.
That
I
can
tell
you
without
fear
of
successful
contradiction.
B
I
could
not
do
I,
couldn't
do
it
from
the
amount
of
hours
that
are
required,
I
couldn't
do
it
under
the
conditions
that
they
have
to
to
serve
in
and
that
bravery
that
I
saw
exhibited
on
numerous
occasions
is,
is
just
I
want
to
thank
them
and
you
for
your
service.
Let
me
get
to
what
questions
you
might
be
able
to
shed
some
light
on
that.
The
two
individuals
that
escaped:
what
were
the
charges?
What
were
their
priors?
B
If
you
can
share
that
and
what
were
their
current
accusations,
they
would
be
in
charge.
E
For
Mr
Grant
had
drug
related,
offenses
and
Mr
Hearst
was
charged
with
murder.
B
If
I,
if
I,
if
memory
serves
me
correct,
four
counts,
correct
correct,
so
I
I
asked
that
question
to
ask:
are
there
different
tiers
of
incarceration
based
on
the
clear
and
present
danger,
Aid
inmate
May
pose?
B
E
E
To
break
it
down
to
me,
that
is
the
highest
custody
level,
so
our
custody
levels
range
from
Community,
minimum
medium
and
close
close
being
the
highest
custody
level
of
an
individual
based
on
a
number
of
variables.
Their
charges
prior
arrests
in
any
other
conduct
in
the
facilities
either
doing
the
present
or
prior
incarcerations,
could.
E
Custody
close
custody
individuals
in
general
population
have
access
to
the
same
Services
and
at
some
of
the
some
similar
activities
of
the
general
population,
the
the
Unique
Piece
with
the
how
close
custody
is
that
they're
housed
in
the
most
restricted
housing
in
terms
of
the
facility
setup
you
wouldn't
have
them
in
a
dormitory
style
setting.
You
would
have
them
two
celled
and
they
would
be
housed
in
the
appropriate
area
of
the
facility,
so
you
will
have
them
in
an
area
concentrated
based
on
their
custody.
E
B
Without
in
endangering
your
investigation
at
their
time
of
Escape
did
the
Escape
begin
in
that
restricted
facility?
Yes,
and
at
that
point
it
proceeded
to
the
yard.
B
E
B
E
Right
so
I
can't
expound
I
can
confirm
yes,
but
I
can't
get
provide
any
additional
information
and.
B
B
Assuming
there
may
have
been
some
assistance
by
someone
on
the
inside,
they
had
also
had
help
on
the
outside.
Yes
to
your
knowledge,
is
there
a
way
to
know
how
they
coordinated
and
communicated
that
level
of
assistance
outside
yes,
and
are
we
taking
precautions
to
limit
that
type
of
ability
to
coordinate
in
the
future.
B
Okay,
all
right
so
all
right.
B
I
guess
where
I'm
going
with
this
is
that,
to
whatever
degree
the
communications
process
get
aided
and
embedded
them,
whether
it
was
communication
with
someone
on
the
inside
who
then
communicated
with
someone
on
the
outside?
Is
there
a
logical,
rational
way
to
restrict
that
for
certain
inmates
that
constitute
a
higher
degree
of
attention.
E
Get
would
be
most
challenging,
but
I
can
assure
you
that
there
is
ongoing
procedures
in
place
that
monitor
calls
okay.
B
E
So
the
progress
that
we
talked
about
for
RCF
RCF
has
384
locks,
total
all
384
locks
have
been
replaced,
have.
B
There
was
progress
made
from
preparing
and
reinstalling
new
locks
to
correct
that
issue
of
inmates
being
able
to
kick
on
doors
and
then
pry
them
open.
Yes,
okay,
by
way
of
the
perimeter,
there
was
an
issue
raised
by
member
Isaiah
Thomas,
where
we
were
talking
about
license
plate
readers
for
people
entering
your
parking
lot,
leaving
your
parking
lot
in,
possibly
even
at
the
perimeter
of
the
streets.
Has
that
been
addressed.
E
Yes,
that
has
been
addressed
and
there's
been
a
subsequent
update
and
of
the
technology
as
well
and
I
do
have
my
Deputy
on
here
who
has
oversight
for
that,
but
we
that
project
with
DC
being
the
latest
to
get
updated
software
for
the
readers
that
is
well
underway
and
it's
been
implemented.
B
I
I'm
trying
to
establish
this
for
the
record
so
that
my
members
and
the
public
do
not
think
that
we
have
these
conversations
and
they
go
into
a
black
box
and
don't
get
a
dress
that
with
proper
resources
and
time
we're
attempting
to
make
the
public
safer
and
to
give
a
sense
of
safety
for
the
brave
men
and
women
that
work
in
the
corrections
facility.
Talk
to
me
again
about
the
a
member
of
our
our
committee
on
employment
and
employment
incentives.
B
You
mentioned
that
we
went
a
starting
salary,
Kathy
Gilmore's,
chair
in
that
effort
we
went.
We
are
now
from
47
base
to
a
55
base,
salary
upon
completion
of
training.
E
Yes-
and
that
is
with
the
start
of
the
12
hour-
shifts
that
we
wanted
to
incentivize
to
make
sure,
when
you're
asking
someone
to
start
that
new
schedule
that
we
incentivized
it
and
put
as
many
benefits
to
working
that
schedule
as
possible
and,
most
importantly,
is
the
financial
piece
of
it.
That
is
correct.
E
Implemented
it
has
been
implemented.
We
started
that
with
CFCF
and
through
the
arbitration
process
we
were
able
to
get
that
and
the
wage
increases
have
gone
into
effect
and
this
the
bonuses
we
put
into
effect,
April,
20th,
2022
and
then
they're,
the
subsequent
tiers
of
when
wage
increases
go
in
effect
and
when
individuals
coming
through
the
academy,
get
that
sign
on
bonus.
We
were
also
intentional
to
acknowledge
the
dedicated
staff
that
remain
with
us,
so
our
existing
employees
received
that
as
well.
That's.
E
That
bonus,
so
two
retention
bonuses
1300
each
to
all
covered
employees
who
were
employed
as
of
April
20th
22
and
remain
employed
as
of
the
date.
The
bonus
is
paid
so
bonus
to
be
paid
30
days
after
issuance
of
the
August,
the
12th
2022
arbitration
award
and
June
30th
2023,
which
is
this
coming.
Friday.
E
The
2
2
000
dollar
hiring
bonus
for
all
correctional
officer,
trainees
hired
on
or
after
April
20th,
2022
thousand
dollars
paid
upon
higher
500
upon
graduation
and
500
to
be
paid
after
one
year
as
a
correctional
officer.
B
How
those
increases
impacted
your
recruitment
and
then
onboarding
and
training.
E
So
our
numbers
are
still
significantly
lower
than
we've
had
in
the
past,
we're
averaging
anywhere
between
15
to
25
candidates
per
class.
But
we
know
we
still
have
work
to
do.
We
need
to
get
our
Cadet
classes
back
up
to
50
per
class
if
we're
going
to
make
a
significant
Dent
we're
engaging
in
a
hiring
campaign,
but
we'll
have
we're
working
to
to
enter
into
a
contract
where
we'll
be
able
to
post
or
this
job
opportunity
throughout
the
city.
We
use
the
number
mechanisms
we
use
digital
Billboards.
E
Then
we
use
some
local
Billboards,
but
now
we're
going
to
be
working
to
have
our
information
posted.
We
were
successful
to
have
of
receive
continuous
hiring,
which
we
didn't
have
previously
continuous
hiring
we'll
have
our
position
open,
oftentimes,
I,
hear
from
people
in
past
and
Commissioners
a
job
is
closed.
Now
the
job
remains
a
open
four
weeks
straight.
It
closes
down
one
month
and
it
goes
all
over
again
through
December
of
2023,
and
that
was
us
working
closely
with
Central
HR.
So
that's
been
a
benefit.
E
B
How
have
you
attracted
back
some
of
your
retirees
has
I
remember
that
was
a
effort
that
was
going
to
be
undertaken
during
the
height
of
lack
of
Personnel
at
the
facilities.
How
how
did
that
turn.
E
Out
we
sent
a
an
invitation
letter
for
that
opportunity
to
every
retiree.
We
had
a
number
of
inquiries,
but
it
yielded
four
individuals
who
did
come
back.
They
worked
part-time
and
the
reason
they
work
part-time
and
we're
assigned
so
that
it
would
not
have
any
impact
on
their
retirement
benefits.
So
it
was
working
collab
collaboratively
with
the
mayor's
office
of
Labor,
Relations,
Central
HR
to
make
sure
we
didn't
disrupt.
We
will
engage
that
population
again,
but
you
know
that's
still
an
opportunity
for
us
to
engage
folks
back.
E
We
have
seen
a
continuous
small
amount
of
individuals
asking
for
reinstatement.
We
review
their
background
from
the
time
they
departed
from
us
to
the
time
that
they're
requesting
we
do
the
background
checks
and
if
everything
is
clear
and
they
were
a
good
employee,
we're
bringing
them
back.
So
we've
had
some
a
subtle
trickle
of
reinstatement
requests
as
well.
B
So
can
you
update
president
Clark
and
remember
Gilmore
Richardson
on
those
impacts
of
those
particular
incentives
so
that
they
can
be
mindful,
as
they
propose
new
ones
or
greater
value
ones
in
the
future,
to
see
what
the
reaction
to
the
labor
market
is
based
on
the
the
level
of
of
of
a
bonus?
So
please
do
that
and
then
any
at
the
point
that
you
are
able
to
release
information
on
the
ongoing
investigation
of
this.
B
These
escapes
I
think
it
will
go
a
long
way
in
making
sure
that
the
public
knows
that
we
are
and
the
reason
why
painstakingly
talked
about
locks
and
hiring,
and
things
like
that
is
so
that
people
understand
that
we
are
absolutely
trying
to
work
with
the
labor
unions,
with
your
Administration
with
the
correction
officers
to
kind
of
address
these
ongoing
concerns,
so
that
so
that
all
parties
are
and
their
safety
issues
are
being
considered
and-
and
so,
if
you
can
keep
us
in
that
information,
Luke
said
that
we
can
share
that
I.
B
B
C
B
Yes,
we
are,
thank
you
state,
your
name
for
the
record
and
please
begin
your
testimony.
D
Yes,
Mr
chairman
and
good
morning,
council,
member
Vaughn
and
other
members
of
council,
my.
D
Morning,
my
name
is
Larry
krasner
I'm,
the
district
attorney
of
Philadelphia
County
and
I
want
to
thank
you
for
inviting
me
to
participate
in
today's
extremely
important
hearing
having
to
do,
on
the
one
hand,
with
an
escape
that
occurred
in
the
Philadelphia
prisons
and,
on
the
other
hand,
with
what
other
factors
May
connect
to
that
or
underlie
how
we
all
got
to
that
position.
D
I
do
want
to
make
sure
that
I
say
early
and
often
that
you
know
not
only
in
my
capacity
as
D.A,
but
in
30
years
of
going
to
the
Philadelphia
County
prisons
as
an
attorney
before
that
and
by
the
way,
over
30
years,
you
can
accumulate
more
than
a
year
in
prison,
fortunately
not
serving
a
sentence,
but
I
did
accumulate
more
than
a
year
in
prisons,
including
the
county
jail,
so
I'm,
very,
very
familiar
with
it
and
I
I
understand
how
incredibly
important
these
hearings
are.
During
those
years.
D
I
did
have
the
pleasure
of
getting
to
know
a
lot
of
PDP
correctional
officers
and
I
know
that
a
lot
of
them
deserve
to
be
applauded
for
their
public
service
for
the
fact
that
they
honor
the
uniform.
D
They
keep
their
Oaths
and
they
do
what
everybody
in
a
position
of
public
trust
should
do,
which
is
they
come
correct,
but
obviously
I
think
we
all
share
the
view
that,
while
that
should
be
applauded
when
there
are
individuals,
if
there
are
individuals
who
betray
the
public
trust
who
disgrace
their
uniform
and
violate
their
OS,
then
those
individuals
must
be
accountable
and
they
must
be
accountable
because
they
have
not
only
gone
to
a
place.
D
She
is
the
chief
of
the
Dao's
special
investigation
unit
who,
and
she,
along
with
Ada
Brett
zacosian,
are
very
actively
investigating
this
escape,
and
it
is
not
the
first
time
that
they
have
been
very
actively
investigating
potential
criminal
conduct
that
may
have
occurred
at
the
Philadelphia
prisons.
We
they
have
in
fact
brought
other
cases
and
brought
them
long
before
there
was
an
escape
from
these
prisons.
D
Now
I
do
want
to
just
lay
out
a
couple
of
quick
takeaways
I.
Don't
expect
my
testimony
to
be
very
long.
I
think
it
will
be
probably
about
10
minutes,
but
there's
some
takeaways
I
want
to
raise
early
on
number.
One.
I
am
committed
in
90
days
to
being
able
to
come
back
before
Council
I
would
encourage
you
to
have
the
DA's
office,
Leandra,
rotaco,
Brett,
sicosian
and
other
criminal
justice
partners,
and
others
in
the
city
who
are
working
closely
with
us.
D
D
I
think
it
will
become
very
clear
in
90
days
that
this
is
a
complex
problem,
a
layered
problem,
that
there
is
an
interconnection
between
the
opportunity
for
criminal
activity
that
can
arise
when
there
are
other
systemic
things
that
need
Improvement
and,
needless
to
say,
the
unique
and
the
uniquely
difficult
circumstances
of
the
pandemic
played
their
role.
D
We
can
only
hope
that
that
is
going
to
a
better
place
and
we
hope
it
is
but
I
I
would
just
ask
that
much
like
my
office,
members
of
council
approaches
with
open
minds
as
to
what
it
may
show
and
I
am
committed
not
only
to
give
you
as
much
as
I
can,
but
to
give
you
the
absolute
truth
where,
wherever
it
is,
that
Arrow
May
point
and
and
at
whomever,
and
that
whatever
it
may
point
now,
I
do
want
to
let
you
know
that
we
did
not
just
start
this
investigation.
It
is
active.
D
D
But
in
order
to
safeguard
the
Integrity
of
the
investigation,
we
have
to
safeguard
what
we
have
I'm
sure
members
of
the
public
will
understand
that
if
we
go
to
interview
a
witness
and
that
witness
knows
all
of
our
information,
that
witness
can
switch
up
what
they
have
to
say,
but
if
we
go
to
interview
them
and
they
don't
know
what
video,
what
photographs,
what
witness
information?
What
calls
what
recordings
and
they
don't
know
what
we
have,
and
they
don't
even
know
with
whom
we
are
working.
D
So
my
office
became
aware
of
the
prison
escape
on
Monday
May,
the
8th
at
about
4
pm,
and
we
understood
that
our
primary
and
immediate
responsibility
at
that
time
was
to
ensure
that
all
of
the
victims,
survivors
and
Witnesses,
who
were
associated
with
the
cases
involving
these
escapees,
we're
notified.
We
did
not
want
them
seeing
this
on
the
Nightly
News
before
they
heard
from
us.
D
Let
us
remember
that
amine
Hearst
at
the
time
he
escaped,
was
charged
with
four
murders
four
and
he
was
charged
with
two
non-fatal
shootings
and
one
of
those
murders
occurred
essentially
on
the
grounds
of
the
Philadelphia
Department
of
prisons
and
had
to
do
with
the
attempted
killing
of
someone
who
he
believed
was
being
released
from
the
prisons
at
night.
You
know
to
say
sadly
understates
it,
but
he
actually
killed
the
wrong
person,
someone
who
was
not
his
intended
target.
D
This
is
shocking.
This
is
shocking
conduct
if
we
were
to
make
a
Mount
Rushmore
of
the
most
dangerous
people
in
the
Philadelphia
Department
of
prisons.
At
that
time,
I
mean
hearst's
face
would
have
been
there
at
that
time.
Absolutely
shocking,
so
we
knew
that
we
needed
to
get
to
family,
and
we
did
that
immediately.
We
knew
we
needed
to
get
to
survivors.
We
need
to.
D
I
also
want
to
give
major
thanks
to
our
federal
state
and
local
law
enforcement
Partners,
as
well
as
other
City
entities,
other
City
entities
who
worked
around
the
clock
to
ensure
that
both
fugitives
were
brought
to
Justice
and
that
people
knew
that
they
were
not
going
to
be
the
next
Target
on
the
street
when
this
occurred.
D
Now,
as
much
as
I
can
tell
you
that
the
investigative
response
is
something
that
I
look
forward
to
describing
for
you
in
in
great
detail
in
about
90
days,
and
if
I
can
do
it
sooner
I
will
let
you
know
if
we
can
do
this
in
75
days.
You
will
hear
from
me
probably
about
day
65.
So
you'll
know
that,
because
I
understand
how
urgent
this
is,
we
take
it
extremely
seriously
as
I
sit
here.
I
have
the
benefit
of
knowing
a
lot
of
information
that
is
important.
I
would
say
it
is
compelling.
D
I
would
say
it
will
assist
counsel
in
its
proper
and
and
laudable
efforts
to
address
any
systemic
issues
that
may
exist
and
to
address
any
criminal
conduct
that
may
exist.
There's
a
lot
I'd
love
to
tell
you
right
now,
simply
put
but
we're
not
at
a
bus
stop
and
we're
not
sitting
at
a
bar
I
can't
do
that
and
and
be
a
prosecutor
who
wants
the
investigation
to
be
solid?
Who
wants
it
to
have
integrity?
D
B
We
understand
that
sometimes
Justice
the
wheels
of
Justice
grind
slow,
but
they
grind
fine,
and
that
is
an
important
part
of
restoring
and
I
think
member
Vaughn's
incentive
to
do
these
hearings
is
to
restore
confidence,
confidence
to
the
public
that,
if
you
step
up
to
the
plate
and
provide
yourself
even
being
a
victim
or
to
be
a
witness
to
the
crime
that
those
individuals
that
are
accused
cannot
can
I
come
back
on
you
exactly
in
a
way
that
makes
you
unsafe
your
family,
unsafe
and
her
her
interest
in
this
is
not
just
for
the
members
of
the
institution,
not
just
members
that
are
incarcerated,
but
members
that
fall
victim
to
some
of
these
murders
for
murders.
B
Four
families
potential
Witnesses
Galore
that
if
I,
do
not
believe
that
when
we
have
somebody
apprehended
that
I
can
then
go
to
the
neighbor
neighborhood
corner
store
and
not
look
up
to
my
left
arm
to
my
right
and
see
them
and
wonder
how
do
they
get
out
that
that
is?
That
is
not
a
vote
of
confidence
for
people
who
can't
always
be
put
in
protective
custody.
Once
the
accused
is
in
custody.
There
should
be
a
collective
sire
relief
that
says
now.
I
can
continue
with
my
life.
B
So
thank
you
for
giving
us
what
you
can
that
assuring
us
that
when
you
can
provide
more,
you
will
and
I
will
turn
the
mic
over
to
member
Vaughn,
who
may
have.
A
Some
questions,
thank
you.
Mr
chairman
Mr,
krasner
I,
do
appreciate
you
and
I'm
going
to
make
sure
that
we
do,
if
possible,
with
the
Chairman's
permission
and
the
council
president,
have
you
back
in
90
days
in
the
commissioner
as
well,
so
that
we
can
find
out
exactly
what
all
the
details
are
that
are
involved
and
I'm
a
firm
believer
that
if
we
know
about
four
bodies
they
there
possibly
can
be
more.
You
know
I
immediately
started
calling
the
young
man
a
serial
killer
and
I,
don't
wish
him
or
his
family
any
harm.
A
Everyone
deserves
to
be
treated
fairly
and
just
rather
you're
the
one
that's
being
incarcerated
or
whether
you're
the
the
one
that
is
the
victim
and
we
all
are
Someone's
Child
husband,
cousin,
niece,
nephew.
Whatever
the
situation
is
we're
family
one
way
or
the
other,
and
everyone
has
their
version
of
that
individual
and
loves
them
to
some
capacity,
and
we
have
to
remember
that,
but
at
the
same
token,
there's
an
old
show
that
was
called
Beretta.
Don't
do
the
crime.
If
you
can't
do
the
time
you
know.
A
So
it's
so
important
that
we
get
to
the
bottom
of
this
this
situation
and
that
those
that
are
responsible
come
to
the
Forefront
and
be
held
accountable.
A
This
is
not
a
Witch
Hunt
for
anyone,
and
it's
just
it's
just
more
about
making
sure
that
everyone
involved
gets
their
Fair
share
of
what
needs
to
happen,
whether
it's
the
services
that
we
provide
to
the
inmates
from
the
CEOs
and
the
correctional
facility,
or
if
it's
the
families
that
suffer
because
oftentimes
when
we
incarcerate
someone,
we
don't
just
incarcerate
that
individual
the
family
gets
incarcerated
as
well.
A
We
all
serve
the
time
to
some
capacity
and
I'm
looking
forward
to
when
this
this
case
is,
is
completed
and
I'm,
looking
forward
to
hearing
more
details
about
how
it
transpired,
who
were
the
individuals
involved
and
whose
head
needs
to
roll
as
a
role
as
a
result
of
it.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank.
B
You,
member
of
remember,
D.A
krasner.
Did
you
have
a
response.
D
D
You
know
one
of
our
concerns,
which
I
think
has
now
been
articulated
by
two
council
members,
is
that
there's
a
lot
of
inmates
up
there
who
are
not
I,
mean
Hearst
and
when,
when
things
are
not
going
well,
they're
endangered,
just
as
the
public
is
endangered,
just
as
public
trust
is
endangered.
So
I
I
appreciate
the
holistic
approach
to
all
of
our
wanting
the
truth,
the
whole
truth
and
nothing
but
and
being
able
to
act
on
it.
B
Hearing
none,
thank
you
so
much
for
your
testimony
and
we
will
stay
tuned,
we'll
take
member
Vons
and
your
request
up
and
then
90
days
have
an
update.
B
F
My
name
is
David
Robinson
I'm,
president
of
local
159
I,
represent
the
correctional
offices
on
State,
Road
I'd
like
to
say
thank
you
Mr
chairman,
and
thank
you
council
member
Vaughn
for
this
resolution
and
thank
other
city
council
members
who
are
in
attendance
and
before
I
start
I'd
like
to
just
say
this:
isn't
a
attack
on
anyone.
This
is
just
trying
to
find
out
some
information.
Of
course
we
know
this
is
an
ongoing
investigation,
so
questions
weren't.
F
You
know
that
are
asked,
can't
potentially
be
answered
at
this
time,
so
I
respect
that
the
union
respects
that
it's
just
that
we're
at
a
point
where
we've
been
down
this
road
plenty
times.
You
know
we
sat
on
these
hearings
multiple
times
for
the
past
few
years,
trying
to
get
things
right
within
the
prisons
and
it
seems
like
we're
coming
to
a
roadblock.
F
16
hours,
19
hours,
some
20
hours,
just
even
this
past
few
days,
and
it's
all
on
record.
So
there's
no
reason
for
me
to
sit
here
and
lie.
I
just
want
to
provide
honest
testimony
and,
of
course,
as
you
know,
on
May
2nd.
We
we
as
the
union
and
the
members
not
as
an
executive
board,
not
myself,
but
the
members.
The
staff
that
actually
works
within
the
prisons
had
a
vote
of
no
confidence
against
the
administration,
and
we
wrote
letters
to
the
mayor.
F
We
wrote
to
council
and
we
still
haven't
heard
anything
no
response.
We
just
keep
getting
the
same
old
everybody's,
doing
a
good
job
when
that's
not
so
my
members
are
suffering
and
it's
time
that
the
city
takes
accountability,
I've
taken
accountability,
I
want
everyone
just
to
understand.
What's
going
on
and
what's
not
going
on,
the
presence
is
a
delegate
situation
for
everyone.
It
seems
like
it's
a
black
cloud
over
the
prisons
that
we
don't
talk
much
about
it,
but
we
know
this
is
a
whole
community.
F
We
talk
about
Public
Safety
in
the
city
being
safer
when
a
lot
of
things
that
are
happening
on
the
street
actually
start
within
the
prison
and
there's
a
lot
of
information
that
people
can
get
out
of
the
prisons,
whether
it
be
Correctional
staff
or
even
the
inmates,
or
they
call
them
incarcerated
persons
now,
but
the
IPS
there's
a
lot
of
information
out
there.
My
thing
is:
the
union
has
come
to
the
city
time
and
time
again
saying
how
unsafe
the
prison
is,
how
we
need
staff,
the
union.
F
F
F
My
members
can't
take
this
any
longer.
12-Hour
shifts
turned
into
multiple
hours.
I
know
the
commissioner
stated
earlier
about
a
work-life
balance.
It's
not
a
work-life
balance.
If
you
don't
know
when
you're
leaving,
when
you
got
to
go
with,
go
in
it's
a
constant,
constant,
just
work
work
until
you
can't
work
anymore,
the
prisons,
the
correction
officers,
always
go
under
this
model
of
making
it
work
well,
the
time
that
we
make
it
work,
that's
when
things
happen,
that's
when
mistakes
are
made
and
again
this
is
an
investigation
on
the
Escape
I.
F
Don't
know
the
particulars
I,
don't
know
any
of
that,
but
I
know
people
are
fatigued.
People
are
tired.
People
are
walking
around
like
zombies
myself,
along
with
the
Public
Safety
Committee,
probably
a
little
over
a
year
ago
we
did
a
few
tours
within
the
prisons
and
we
know
the
the
smoke
it
hits
you
just
if
you
aren't
someone
who
partakes
in
any
type
of
extracurricular
activities,
whether
it's
drugs
or
anything
like
that
and
you're,
this
clean
person
and
you
walk
into
inside
that
institution.
F
It
hits
you
so
imagine,
working
there
24
hours
a
day
every
day,
you're
immune
to
it.
Your
eyes
are
bloodshot
red
you're
walking
around
like
a
zombie
again,
that's
when
mistakes
are
made,
my
members
have
been
screaming
for
help
for
years.
Well,
before
I
was
President,
I
was
so
I
was
a
sergeant.
I
have
17.
As
of
yesterday,
it's
been
17
years
in
Corrections.
F
I
was
a
sergeant,
a
Frontline
sergeant
when
the
pandemic
started.
I've
seen
people
disappear
around
me.
I
know
once
that
shift
when
the
officers
that
were
on
seven
to
three
got
taken
down
to
Force
down
to
three
to
eleven
I've,
seen
how
it
changed
everything
how
people
just
said,
I
can't
take
this
anymore
I'm
leaving.
So
we
can't
just
blame
the
pandemic
when
officers.
You
know
hightailing
it
out
here
for
better
for
better
work,
better
wages.
We
have
to
understand,
there's
leadership
that
has
to
take
accountability
for
what
happened.
F
We
have
to
understand
that
if
I'm
someone
who
was
on
a
shift
for
five
six,
seven
or
eight
years
I
know
my
schedule,
my
family
knows
my
schedule
and
then
all
of
a
sudden
just
to
a
halt
and
now
I'm
putting
down
on
311.
Yes,
it's
not
a
desired
shift,
but
I
had
to
work
that
shift
for
plenty
years.
You
have
to
pay
your
dues,
you
know
it
comes
to
a
point
where
people
didn't
want
to
pay.
F
The
dues
people
said
I'm
out
of
here,
so
it
could
have
been
handled
differently
in
the
beginning
and
maybe
some
of
those
people
that
left
would
have
still
been
here,
but
now
we're
at
a
point
where
our
staffing
levels
are
so
low
that
we
have
unmanned
units
every
day
every
day,
there's
an
unmanned
unit
on
State
Road,
and
that's
where
we
get
to
the
point
where?
Where
does
this
stop?
F
How
do
we
handle?
We
don't
have
enough
staff.
Yes,
we
had
a
raise,
but
it's
not
enough.
You
put
your
life
on
the
line
every
day,
it's
like
Daniel,
going
into
the
lion's
den,
so
imagine
putting
a
police
officer
in
the
middle
of
Center
City.
One
police
officer
said
here
handle
this:
that's
how
it
is
for
a
correctional
officer
on
these
units
and
just
like
councilman
Vaughn,
said
in
D.A
krasner,
everyone
in
there
isn't
a
killer
everyone
you're
innocent
until
proven
guilty.
F
F
Every
correctional
officer
raises
his
right
hands
at
the
graduation
and
takes
an
oath
to
make
sure
they
can
perform
their
functions
just
as
such.
So
do
you
have
bad
seeds,
I'm
sure
every
career,
every
job
everyone
does,
but
there's
a
lot
of
good
men
and
women
that
work
inside
those
institutions
that
are
being
ignored.
Correctional
officer
employee
week
was
on
May
8th
and
instead
of
having
an
opening
ceremony,
the
mayor
City
officials
had
to
hold
a
press
conference
for
an
escape.
That's
how
we
opened
up
our
week.
F
F
So
when
I
say
my
people
inside
need
help,
we
need
help,
it's
not
about
being
ignored
anymore
and
anyone
everyone
for
the
most
part.
A
lot
of
people
on
here
know
me:
they
know
of
me
I'm,
not
this
quiet
person,
I'm,
not
a
pushover,
I
fight
for
my
people,
I,
don't
care
if
I
have
to
Rally
outside
of
City
Hall
on
State
Road.
Do
whatever
I
do
to
get
any
type
of
attention
and
say:
listen.
We
need
help
but
I'm
tired
of
the
hearings.
F
I'm,
tired
of
the
visits
just
to
say
we
visit
the
tours
just
the
same
detour.
I
just
want
action
now
this
is
about
an
escape,
but
the
all-around
bigger
view.
The
bigger
picture
is
about
helping
the
people
that
are
in
there,
whether
it
be
the
correctional
officers,
the
staff,
the
social
workers,
the
nursing
medical
staff
and
the
inmates.
F
F
It's
just
the
narrative,
because
I
have
to
understand
my
members
safety
as
well.
The
narrative
that
went
out
Inside
Job
automatically
they
don't
think
inside
job
with
other
incarcerated
individuals
or
inside
job
with
other.
You
know
other
staffers,
they
just
say
correctional
officer.
So
if
you
think
Inside
Job
you'll
automatically
go
to
Correctional.
So
my
people
are
on
these
streets.
They're,
not
feeling
safe,
they're,
getting
ridiculed
at
gas
stations
going
to
the
store
everywhere
they
go,
They're
not
safe.
F
It's
my
job
to
protect
them,
but
it's
also
the
city's
job
in
the
Department's
job
to
protect
them
as
well.
So
I
just
wanted
to
clear
the
narrative
until
the
investigation
is
over.
We
should
just
go
with
inside
job,
because
the
wording
alone
just
says
correctional
officer,
because
we
have
the
ignorance
of
the
community
that
don't
know,
and
it's
not
their
fault.
My
mother
even
called
me:
hey
it's
inside
job,
she's
thinking
correctional
officer,
so
you
have
to
tell
people
you
have
to
school
people
to
let
them
know
and
understand.
Listen!
F
F
There's
not
because
we
take
our
work
home
and
again
even
with
the
smoke
when
we're
feeling
nauseous
or
ignored,
if
I
have
to
call
if
I'm
on
a
unit
I'm
working
and
I'm
not
feeling
type
of
away
and
the
the
smell
is
getting
to
me
and
I
feel
like
I
might
be
even
getting
a
contact.
I
call
my
supervisor
I'm
ignored,
oh
get
over
you'll,
be
all
right
and
then,
when
I
say
that
I
gotta
leave
and
then,
when
I'm
throwing
up
I'm
still
ignored.
F
These
are
the
things
that
I
would
love,
City,
Council
and
everyone
else
just
to
look
into,
and
that's
why
councilman
Thomas
they.
We
have
the
prison
oversight
board,
hopefully
in
the
works
in
the
near
future
that
we
can
really
get
a
deep
dive
instead
of
having
the
secrets,
because
there's
still
families
in
the
community
that
might
have
questions
of
how
their
loved
one
died
and
inside
the
institution
and
they're
being
ignored.
We
still
have
correctional
officers
that
are
assaulted,
being
knocked
out,
broken
noses,
they're
being
ignored.
F
There
was
a
lot
of
III
stated
previously
about
raises
about
better
conditions,
was
how
to
take
the
eye
and
take
an
accountability
of
the
wrongs
as
well,
so
with
that
I
don't
want
to
take
too
much
time.
I.
Thank
you
for
allowing
me
to
speak
to
testify
today,
because
it's
very
important
to
me
it's
very
important
to
my
members
that
we
get
something
done.
F
B
You
so
let
me
first
say
thank
you
and
your
membership
for
your
service.
There's
not
a
part
of
the
city
that
I
go
to
that.
Someone
doesn't
come
up
to
me
in
a
in
a
grocery
store
line.
Tap
me
on
the
shoulders
to
share
with
the
things
that
you
talked
about
so
I
know
you're,
not
over
exaggerating
when
you
say
them.
I
do
understand
that
at
the
heart
of
this
we
have
to
deal
with
some
systemic
things
like
making
sure
you,
you
guys
get
some
relief
that
you
get
other
Corrections
Officers
onboarded.
B
We
we
get
that.
The
reason
why
we
go
on
those
tours
is
not
to
say
that
we
just
went
up
there,
but
I
smelt
that
K2
that
you're
talking
about
and
I
got
a
headache
from
it.
So
if
I
had
to
work
in
that
environment
for
for
four
hours,
more
or
less,
eight,
more
or
less
12.
I,
don't
know
if
I
could
do
it
because
it
it
bothered
me,
and
we
have
to
look
at
some
of
the
long-term
issues
that
we've
we've
talked
about.
B
B
Okay,
we're
about
to
change
administrations,
we're
about
to
have
our
100th
mayor,
so
that
these
things
we
don't
have
to
start
over
from
scratch
that
we
have
a
firm
understanding
of
what
the
nature
of
the
problem
is,
so
that
we
can
provide
resources
to
solve
it.
B
So
I
appreciate
what
you
fight
for
every
day
for
your
members,
I'm
thankful
to
your
members
for
the
service
that
they
provide,
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
elected
or
Not,
Elected
I
got
to
go
to
an
ATM
I
got
my
my
my
my
wife
has
to
get
gas
at
a
gas
station
at
that
level
of
inmate
has
changed.
It's
not
the
same
inmate
that
we
might
have
experienced
pre-pandemic
and
we're
dealing
with
a
tougher
client
base
and
more
charge
client
base.
So
your
job
ain't
easy.
B
That
is
no,
so
you
you
are
literally
in
in
an
environment
where
only
your
faith
in
God
protects.
You
I
saw
it.
So,
if
you're
telling
me
on
those
pods
now
that
they're
totally
a
man,
we
have
to
address
that,
and
it
is
not
one
of
those
where
we
meet.
We
have
hearings
and
we
discuss
it
and
kick
the
can
down
the
road.
A
member
Vaughn
insisted
that
we
not
take
too
long
dallying
with
this
and
and
we're
just
addressing,
and
we're
thankful
that
in
90
days
we'll
get
an
update
from
the
D.A.
A
Yes,
thank
you.
Mr,
chairman
and
and
Mr
Robinson
I
do
appreciate
your
testimony
and
I
am
as
Mr
chairman
stated.
I
was
aggressive
about
making
sure
that
this
hearing
took
place,
although
I
knew
what
that
our
information
would
be
limited,
but
I
wanted
to
have
something
on
the
record
to
show
the
citizens
of
Philadelphia
that
we
are
deeply
concerned
about
the
well-being
of
your
membership
as
well
as
their
loved
ones.
A
That
may
be
behind
those
walls
and
I
have
heard,
as
councilman
Curtis
has
heard,
of
the
many
many
issues
with
the
substance
of
K2
getting
into
the
facility
and
I
mean
let's,
let's
not
play
it,
doesn't
take
rocket
science
to
know
how
it's
getting
in
there.
A
So
we
need
to
address
that
as
well,
and
I
am
told
that
it
does
make
people
very,
very
ill
from
smelling
it
from
such
long
periods
of
time
and
that
something
has
to
be
done
about
that
getting
into
the
facilities
and
all
the
other
issues
that
you
brought
up
and
have
been
dealing
with
for
quite
some
time
that
your
membership
has
come
to
you
and
expressed
I
want
to
again
reiterate
on
this
public
record
document
here
that
if
someone
comes
to
you,
they
will
not
be
punished
or
criticized
for
letting
you
know
as
their
union
representative
what
is
happening
behind
those
walls,
they
will
not
be
pushed
to
be
in
terminated
and
if
they
are
whoever
is
doing.
A
Such
activities
will
be
addressed.
That
that's
kind
of
behavior
is
not
what
we
accept
in
this
government
body
and
I'm
sure
that
I
can
get
others
to
agree
with
me
that
it
is
necessary
for
us
to
understand
what's
happening,
and
if
we
don't,
if
your
your
staff
or
your
members,
don't
tell
us
what's
going
on,
we
have
no
way
of
knowing.
So
they
should
not
be
punished
for
letting
us
know
what
happens
behind
those
walls
and
I.
A
Thank
you
again
for
Having
the
courage
to
speak
with
us
and
for
your
presence,
often
in
our
Chambers,
making
sure
that
you're
watching
and
keeping
your
thumb
on
the
pulse
or
what
needs
to
happen
for
your
membership
and
What
needs
to
be
addressed
for
your
local
159
Union.
Thank
you
for
everything,
Mr
Robinson
thank.
B
You
thank
you
Mr
Robinson,
for
your
testimony.
Is
there
anyone
else
who
wishes
to
ask
questions
of
this
Witness.
G
Thank
you.
Since
1787,
our
organization
has
monitored
conditions
inside
the
Philadelphia
prisons
and
those
across
the
Commonwealth
we're
inside
of
the
prisons
on
State
Road,
multiple
times
per
week,
meeting
with
incarcerated
philadelphians
who
ask
for
our
help.
Over
the
past
two
years,
I've
LED,
10
walk-throughs
of
the
Philadelphia
prisons,
observing
conditions,
speaking
with
staff
and
interviewing
a
total
of
411
detained
philadelphians
across
all
five
facilities.
G
These
walkthroughs,
combined
with
the
hundreds
of
detained
philadelphians
we
have
conducted
individual
visits
with,
have
painted
a
very
clear
picture
of
dysfunction,
neglect
and
abuse.
This
is
the
result
of
not
only
a
major
Staffing
shortage
but
mismanagement,
a
problematic
organizational
culture
and
an
overuse
of
incarceration.
G
The
recent
escapes
from
State
Road
are
only
the
most
publicly
visible
sign
of
the
crisis
in
the
Philadelphia
prisons,
the
majority
of
people
in
Philadelphia
prisons.
We
have
interviewed
over
the
course
the
last
two
years
report
being
locked
in
their
cells
for
days
or
weeks
at
a
time
with
no
access
to
showers
phone
calls
or
the
barest
forms
of
diversion
or
human
interaction.
G
72
percent
reported
the
presence
of
rodents
and
75
said
that
officers
do
not
respond
to
calls
from
and
sell
buzzers.
These
numbers
are
consistent
with
our
prior
walkthroughs
and
we
are
not
alone
a
course
of
concerned.
Individuals,
organizations
and
Community
groups
have
repeatedly
raised
alarm
bells
that
have
largely
gone
unheated.
G
Recently
we
have
seen
improvements
in
the
commissary
system
and
laundry
delivery.
While
these
may
seem
of
marginal
importance,
they
are
critical
to
the
day-to-day
experience
of
people
in
prison
and
evidence
that
Improvement
is
indeed
possible.
The
prison
Society
is
hardened
that
this
hearing
has
been
called
and
that
the
council
has
solicited
our
input.
We
believe
that
the
ongoing
human
rights
crisis
in
our
City's
prisons
should
be
of
imminent
concern
to
all
philadelphians.
G
B
Thank
you
so
much
for
your
consistent
caring
about
the
least
of
us
and
those
who
find
their
way
into
incarceration.
I've
had
opportunity
to
see
your
works
and
be
a
part
of
some
of
your
efforts.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
your
concern
and
service.
B
Are
there
questions
or
comments?
Remember
Vaughn,.
A
G
B
Do
we
recognize
the
history
there
and
that
this
was
one
of
the
quicker
initiatives
a
very
very
long
time
ago
meant
to
be
humane
meant
to
resolve
conflicts
and
disputes
where,
where
incarceration
with
the
relief
of
your
Liberty
was
done,
but
in
a
humane
way,
so
you
have
been
in
your
organization,
and
organizations
like
yours
has
been
very
consistent
into
the
nature
of
Correction.
So
thank
you.
Thank
you,
sir
Mr
glass.
B
C
Want
individual
signed
up
to
testify
for
public
comment
today:
okay,.
B
H
First
of
all,
I
want
to
think
that
thank
everyone
for
allowing
me
to
speak
and
give
testimony.
But,
like
you,
everyone
said
this
didn't
happen
overnight.
H
I
want
to
First
go
back
to
incidences
where
these
things
were
growing
on
5
24,
2021,
6,
2,
20,
21,
8,
2,
20,
21
and
11
29
201
I
submitted
grievances
to
the
office,
the
Philadelphia
Department
of
Prisons
HR
that
were
never
answered
by
this
Administration
about
the
unsafe
working
conditions
and
how
things
like
this
could
happen
and
possibly
happen.
I
submitted
four
grievances
I
submitted
over
20
memos
from
officers
being
concerned
about
their
Safety
and
Security
inside
these
institutions
that
they
were
assigned
to.
They
all
went
unanswered
all
for
those
grievances.
H
I've
never
heard
any
response
back
to
anyone
from
this
Administration
where
it
was
the
commissioner,
the
deputy
Commissioners.
No
one
responded
back
at
all.
One
of
the
things
commissioner
Carney
talked
about
is
the
12-hour
shifts
the
wage
increases?
Yes,
that
that
does
look
good.
That
does
look
nice,
but
the
wage
increase.
It
does
look
good
if
the
members
are
getting
it.
I've
sent
the
email
out
this
past
week
about
some
of
the
members
not
receiving
that
wage
increase
to
that
step.
H
H
So,
yes,
the
wage
increase
does
look
nice
if
all
the
members
that
signed
up
for
the
12-hour
shift
are
getting
it
and
when
you
start
something
like
that
and
brings
the
morale
down
because
you're
implementing
something,
but
the
officers
aren't
getting
it,
we're
being
told
one
thing
and
seeing
something
else:
Miss
Vaughn,
you
said
it's
a
wonderful
place
to
work
you're,
absolutely
right.
It's
definitely
a
wonderful
place
to
work.
H
I've
been
there
like
I
said
for
10
years
and
father
eight
of
those
years,
I
had
a
perfect
attendance,
but
it's
the
people
that
we
have
leading
us
that
are
not
considerate
and
not
passionate
about
the
officers
and
the
supervisors
and
the
staff
that
we
have
they're
working
for
you
see
the
favoritism
with
promotions.
Just
recently
you
see
the
favoritism
with
post
assignments.
H
I
can
personally
speak
on
that
when
you
see
that
it
brings
the
low
morale
and
it
brings
low
morale
with
the
front
line
staff
and
it
brings
low
morale
with
this,
the
Staffing.
Can
you
hear?
Can
you
guys
hear
me?
Yes,
we
can
okay
on
5
29,
20
I
personally
was
stabbed
seven
times
at
the
at
be
in
that
job.
H
All
I
got
from
this
Administration
was
we'll
look
into
the
investigation.
I
didn't
hear
anything
back
from
the
commissioner
I
didn't
hear
about
anything
back
from
the
Deputy
Commissioner
I
didn't
hear
anything
back
from
anyone.
The
Deputy
Commissioner
showed
up
to
the
hospital
as
crowd
control,
because
officers
were
coming
to
the
hospital
to
show,
support
and
ordered
them
to
leave,
because
the
hospital
said
it
was
too
many
officers
coming.
It's
the
same
thing
with
the
Philadelphia
police,
when
the
Philadelphia
police
officer
get
shots,
how
many
police
officers
at
the
hospital.
H
H
It
played
a
major
role.
Yes,
it
definitely
did
you're
absolutely
right,
covet
I.
Look
at
it
like
this.
We
need
to
assess
the
three
R's
recover,
reevaluate
and
restore.
We
need
to
recover
where
we
were
from
covet.
We
need
to
reevaluate
our
policies
and
procedures
and
we
need
to
restore
the
operations
of
this
facility,
restore
it
to
where
you
need
to
get
an
answer
from
your
front
line.
H
You
have
officers
and
supervisors
being
denied
to
come
into
work.
You
talk
about
post
assignments
and
and
science
being
closed
this
past
weekend
at
RCF,
you
had
supervisors
and
officers
willing
to
come
into
work
before
their
schedule
shift
and
were
denied,
but
the
post
that
was
critical
were
closed.
H
So
then,
now
the
officers
that
come
to
work
are
subject
to
the
mandatory
overtime,
because
guess
what
you
denied
people?
The
right
to
come
into
work,
but
on
the
roster
you
you'll
quote
it
as
post-close
temporary
staff
shortage.
It
wasn't
staff
shortage,
you
denied
the
officers.
You
deny
the
supervisors
to
come
to
work.
H
Officers
and
supervisors
that
have
resigned
quit
terminated
are
still
being
carried
on
the
roster's
AWOL
absent
without
leave.
How
are
they
absent
when
I
leave,
if
they've,
already
retired,
already
resigned
or
already
were
terminated?
You
still
see
that
today,
but
then
you'll
say
that
the
officers
or
supervisors
aren't
coming
to
work
they're
not
coming
to
work
because
they
don't
work
here,
no
more.
They
resign.
They
quit
but
you're,
making
the
numbers
scene
as
though
they're
still
in
our
Matrix,
because
you
don't
want
to
take
them
all.
H
Commissioner
Quarry
talked
about
staff
in
the
housing
areas
and
running
programs
and
having
an
operation
of
the
facility.
That's
the
top
priority.
I
agree
with
you
100
percent,
but
what
about
the
Rovers?
That
should
be
there
to
respond
when
you
have
the
housing
areas
watching
the
inmates
we
have
the
officer
that's
assigned
to
the
programs
watching
the
inmates
when
a
response
happened,
who's
there
to
respond.
Nobody
because
you're
not
you're,
not
Staffing,
The
Rovers
prime
example.
H
This
past
weekend,
when
they're
denied
officers
and
supervisors
to
come
in
at
RCF
this
past
weekend,
you
had
so
many
calls
for
assistances
needed
assistance
and
needed.
Rovers
is
needed
where
the
center
control
sergeant
had
to
leave
Center,
which
is
a
critical
post
to
adjust
and
see
what
was
going
on.
God
forbid,
something
happened
on
that
housing
area
and
that
Sergeant
was
injured.
Who's
now
running
the
facility,
because
that
Sergeant
is
out
of
Center
control
and
there's
no
one
in
there
running
it.
H
Prime
example:
that's
how
things
like
the
Escape
can
happen
when
you
close
these
posts-
and
you
subject
some
of
these
people
to
say
do
this.
Do
that
there's
times
where
you
can
see
the
post
that's
open
and
that
officer
is
not
even
assigned
to
it,
because
they
redirect
them
to
somewhere
else
and
say
we're
going
to
keep
this
officer
on
this
post
to
make
it
look
good
on
paper,
but
we're
going
to
reassign
him
to
a
housing
area.
So
if
anyone
questions
it
he's
actually
at
that
post,
I've
seen
that
done
plenty
of
times.
H
H
We
need
to
CTC
control
the
controllables
and
that's
what
we're
not
doing
in
the
Philadelphia
Department
of
prisons
and
as
a
front
line
supervisor
I
see
that
timing
and
timeout
it's
just
get
it
done,
get
it
done
the
administration
once
they're
done.
We
talked
about
the
K2
smell
about
a
month
ago.
One
of
the
officers
had
to
go
out
fire
rescue
because
of
the
K2
smoke,
because
she
was
on
the
Block
for
16
hours.
She
went
out.
She
got
admitted
to
that.
She
got
admitted
in
the
hospital
because
of
an
elevated
heart
rate.
H
She
returned
back
to
work
about.
Maybe
it
was
she
was
out
for
about
a
week.
You
know
what
they
carried.
Her
ass
absent,
went
out,
leaving
sick
no
time,
and
they
know
what
they
did.
They
wrote
her
up
for
that.
They
wrote
her
up.
Just
yesterday,
I
had
to
have
a
hearing
for
her
to
defend
that
to
defend
that
officer.
How
do
you
carry
someone
that
goes
out?
H
Fire
rescue,
absent,
went
out,
leaving
and
sick
no
time
and
they
got
hurt
on
the
job
because
of
the
K2
smile
and
they
kept
reporting
it
and
logged
it,
but
you
gave
her
a
write-up
for
that.
That's
why
people
have
the
low
morale
in
that
facility
office
on
Ms
Vaughn.
You
talked
about
retaliation
and
punishment.
That's
not
true,
because
I
I've
dealt
with
that.
I've
personally
dealt
with
that,
and
this
Administration
knows
it
probably
an
example:
I've
taken
the
Lieutenant's
test
twice
was
denied
the
first
time.
H
The
second
time
I
didn't
even
get
an
interview
for
it.
They
promoted
people
and
then,
after
the
promotion
they
said
we
do
apologize.
We
overlooked
you,
you
would
be
eligible
for
the
next
batch
for
an
interview
come
on,
be
for
real
I.
Don't
even
it's
like
come
on.
Do
I
really
want
it,
because
now
I
know
the
facts
and
the
layers
that
it
plays
officers
working
more
than
17
hours
to
20
hours
or
told
to
use
a
sick,
their
vacation
day
or
report
or
report
the
work.
H
How
do
you
tell
me
to
report
to
work
after
I've
just
done
20
hours
or
use
a
sick
day
or
vacation
day?
No,
why?
Why
can't
you
give
me
eTown?
Oh,
we
can't
give
you
e-time.
No,
you
should
I've
just
done
20
hours.
My
body
is
not
well
rested
for
another
for
four
hours
to
come
back
to
do
this
all
over
again,
just
to
possibly
get
stuck
the
12
hours.
Yes,
it's
nice,
it's
good!
It
creates
work-life
balance.
H
Unmanned
and
I
can't
get
a
day
now
in
respected,
to
leave
work
at
3
A.M
to
report
back
to
work
at
7
A.M
to
take
over
that
same
post,
where
the
officer
can
call
out
again,
but
they
know
this
is
going
on,
but
they
choose
to
ignore
it.
And
then,
when
you
speak
upon
it,
they
get
mad
or
you're
disgruntled
you're
wrong!
Just
go
with
the
program.
No,
we
can't
go
with
the
program,
because
guess
what
you
do,
your
eight
to
five?
You
do
your
eight
to
four
and
you
leave
some
of
these
people.
H
That's
being
promoted
now
have
never
stepped
in
a
facility
for
almost
10
years
and
they're,
making
lieutenants
they're
making
captains,
because
they're
cool
with
this
Administration
and
they're
sitting
up
there
making
decisions
that
they
haven't
been
in
the
jail
for
the
last
15
years
about
you
talk
about
Safety
and
Security.
How
can
someone
actually
make
a
decision
about
Safety
and
Security
and
haven't
been
in
the
jail
for
almost
15
years?
H
H
It
really
doesn't
and
I
I.
Just
really
think.
Thank
you
guys
and,
like
I
said,
these
are
issues
that
I
brought
up
on
in
2021
in
2021,
where
the
inmates
was
popping
out
of
their
facilities,
I'm
sorry
popping
out
their
cells
and
they
said,
don't
call
a
pop
out
say
they
they
breach
the
lock
mechanism.
I
I
wrote
all
these
things
down
on
grievousness
that
went
unanswered
by
this
Administration
I
have
the
copies
that
was.
H
I
was
told
you're,
making
waves,
making
ways
with
people
that
can
control
your
faith
and
control
your
future,
but
as
a
supervisor
delegate
as
a
supervisor,
shop
steward
I
have
to
speak
because
I
represent
supervisors
and
I
represent
officers,
and
some
of
these
officers
and
supervisors
don't
want
to
speak
up
because
they
are
afraid
of
being
retaliated
and
I'm.
Gonna
be
honest
with
you
at
one
point:
I
was
afraid
too,
but
guess
what
I'm
already
being
retaliated
against
them.
H
So
guess
what
I'm
also
speak
upon
a
nail
because
I'm
letting
the
chips
forward
where
they
fall,
because
guess
what,
when
I
come
to
work,
I'm
coming
to
work,
to
do
my
job
to
the
best
of
my
ability
and
when
a
punches
roll
they
roll
and
I
fight
it
from
there
and
that's
it.
Do
I
like
my
job,
absolutely
I
love
my
job!
That's
why
I
continue
to
come
to
work
every
day,
but
the
people
that's
leading
us.
They
don't
have
the
passion.
H
They
don't
have
the
desire,
it's
a
friends
with
family
plan
with
this
department.
If
you're,
not
friends
with
this
Administration,
you
don't
get
anything
but
guess
what
my
friends
are.
The
officers
that
I
supervise
my
friends
are
the
ones
that
showed
up
to
the
hospital.
My
friends
if
I
say
yo
I
need
you
to
do
this.
I
need
to
do
that.
For
me
they
get
it
done
this
Administration.
All
they
want
is
numbers
and
results
to
show
the
council
and
show
the
mayor's
office
that
they're
making
progress
they're,
really
not
making
progress.
B
B
If
you
would,
can
you
send
us
a
copy
of
those
emails
and
I
will
share
it
with
the
members
of
the
committee
or
a
synopsis,
you
have
to
send
all
100,
you
know
different
pages,
but
if
you
could
break
it
down
so
that
we
can
in
those
90
days
where
you
look
at
where
we
are
with
some
of
those
issues,
if
you
could
provide
that,
that
would
be
helpful.
H
A
I
think
I.
Thank
you.
Mr
chairman,
were
you
done
yeah
I'm
recognizing
you,
okay,
thank
you!
So
much
Mr
Bishop!
Thank
you
for
coming
forward
and
Having.
The
courage
to
inform
us
I
believe
the
commissioner
needs
to
answer
some
of
this.
Although
this
this
hearing
wasn't
technically
about
the
conditions,
it
was
more
so
con
concerning
the
the
Escape,
but
to
hear
some
of
the
horrors
that
you
have
to
deal
with
on
a
daily
basis,
just
boggles
my
mind
and
and
I
believe.
A
A
lot
of
it
is
true
and
I've
heard
the
expression
where
inmates
have
been
able
to
pop
out
of
their
cells,
but
I've
also
been
told
that
that
situation
has
been
corrected,
and
so
a
lot
of
the
things
that
you
stated
in
your
testimony.
A
Commissioner,
are
you
willing
to
reply
to
a
lot
of
those
things
and
again
Mr
chairman?
We
have
to
make
sure
that
people
like
Mr
Bishop
that
do
come
forward
and
express
their
opinion.
A
You
notice
I
did
not
say
it
was,
and
I'm
not
taking
anything
from
you
Mr
Bishop,
because
it
it
can
possibly
be
the
truth,
but
we
need
to
hear
feedback
and-
and
this
and
this
Administration,
as
well
as
any
Administration
going
forward,
needs
to
address
these
type
of
issues,
because
this
is
one
of
the
reasons
why
we
can't
maintain
staff
if
they're
dealing
with
these
type
of
conditions
with
that
I'll.
Let
the
Blanche
Kearney
answer
some
of
the
issues
that
Mr
Bishop
brought
to
our
Forefront.
B
Chair
recognizes,
commissioner,.
E
Carney,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
respond
any
staff
that
experiences
a
medical
emergency
on
duty.
We
have
records,
such
as
our
Copa
2
forms
where
those
individuals
are
transported
by
ambulance
or
prison
transportation
to
a
hospital.
So
that's
document
of
the
procedures
we
have
in
place.
Additionally,
I
spoke
earlier.
Anyone
can
go
to
the
office
of
professional
compliance
and
file
and
that
initiates
the
investigation.
E
We
understand
how
Contraband
gets
in,
and
we
were
very
intentional
to
introduce
mail
scanning
technology
and
that
technology
allows
any
U.S
mail
that
comes
through
to
to
incarcerated
person
to
be
scanned
for
any
anomalies.
We
have
been
very,
very
successful
in
intercepting
a
majority
of
the
mail
that
comes
in,
but
certainly
their
their
new
ways
and
new
new
ways.
Individuals
will
try
to
seek
to
get
it
in,
but
we
stood
up
that
scanning
process
to
divert
any
Contraband
from
coming
in
that
way,
so
it
has
been
successful.
E
We
also
are
standing
up
the
body
scanners,
which
we
know
will
detect
soft
Contraband.
Not
metal,
detectors
it'll
pick
that
up
too,
but
the
soft
Contraband
that
can
be
concealed
on
someone's
person
entering
in
the
secure
perimeter.
That
was
another
effort
and
step
that
we
took.
We
don't
want
anyone
to
work
in
a
condition
where
there
is
intentional
intro
option
to
contraband
and
that
the
population
utilizes
it.
So
if
someone
takes
ill,
they
do
have
that
notification
to
the
supervisor
and
then
the
supervisor.
E
We
have
a
process
to
open
what
we
call
Air
exchange.
At
that
point,
they
can
go
out
any
investigations
and
I'm
not
going
to
go
Case
by
case
to
what
Mr
Bishop
testified
to,
because
we
have
supporting
documentation
as
well.
E
We
can
certainly
prepare
and
provide
information
to
the
extent
that
we
can,
because
that
is
his
involve
of
his
history
with
the
prisons,
but
also
the
key
here
is
that,
and
we
heard
a
lot
of
the
testimony
we
have
to
manage
the
workforce
that
we
have
full
transparency.
We've
acknowledged
we're
short
of
staff.
E
Yes,
you
may
want
to
think
you
can
bring
people
in
earlier,
but
there's
a
12-hour
shift
waiting
for
them
as
well.
There's
a
balance
that
has
to
be
met.
The
facilities
manage
it.
We
have
three
wardens
in
place
that
work
to
make
sure
that
the
rosters
are
updated.
Part
of
our
staffing
analysis.
We
are
replacing
our
Antiquated
method
of
how
we
manage
our
rosters
and
that's
being
stood
up
as
well.
E
Those
are
past
practices
which
it's
not
modern
day,
Corrections
that
is
already
well
underway,
with
revising
to
make
sure
if
councilmember
Jones
you're
on
post
day.
If
we
remove
you
post
a
is
closed
and
now
it
shows
where
you
are
so
that's
a
process.
That's
been
in
play
for
about
the
last
six
months,
where
we're
doing
the
overhaul
for
that,
but
certainly
we
encourage
staff
to
report
what
it
is
they
have.
This
is
not
a
buddy
system.
I
have
no
allegiance
to
anyone.
E
We
follow
Civil
Service
regulations
and
it's
based
on
that's
how
you're
getting
in
to
promotion
and
we
shouldn't
prohibit
people.
If
someone
has
been
in
an
outside
unit
and
there's
a
position,
they
take
promotion,
we're
placing
people
where
we
need
them
at
this
point,
but
the
goal
here
is
that
you
have
to
fill
the
vacancies.
We
remain
committed
to
that.
So,
if
Mr
Bishop
submits
his
information,
we'll
provide
a
response,
an
office
of
professional
compliance.
E
Every
time
you
go
in
it
creates
and
generates
an
investigation
so
we'll
be
able
to
respond
accordingly,
but
the
goal
here
is:
we
want
people
to
work,
but
everyone
can't
do
everything
and
we
can't
do
everything,
and
so,
when
we
talk
about
making
sure
bringing
people
earlier
in
and
then
taking
away
on,
the
back
end
doesn't
help
us.
So
those
are
day-to-day
operational
decisions
that
have
to
be
made
as
well.
B
Thank
you,
commissioner,
for
being
willing
to
address
those
issues
that
we
can.
We
will
ask
that
we
receive
those
specific
concerns
we
will
forward
them
to
you
and
somewhere
around
90
days,
maybe
we'll
be
able
to
respond
on
the
record.
So
thank
you
for
that.
Are
there
any
other
questions
for
from
members
of
the
committee.
A
A
It
looks
like
Mr
Bishop
raised
his
hand
to
try
to
say
something:
I
know
he.
He
can't.
B
No
I
what
I'd
rather
do
is
rather
than
go
back
and
forth.
Yes,
give
us
a
complete
history
of
those
emails.
Those
concerns
we
will
forward
them
to
the
commissioner
so
that
we
can
comprehensively
go
through
that
it'll
be
a
matter
of
public
record
for
this
committee.
Okay,
great
all
right!
Yes,
because
you
know
how
that
goes.
We'll.
C
B
You
so
very
much.
This
concludes
the
public
hearing
of
the
Committee
on
Public
Safety
dealing
with
resolution
number
two,
three:
zero.
Four,
six.
Seven.
This
committee
will
stand
at
recess
to
the
call
of
the
chair
approximately
in
the
next
90
days.
Thank
you
all
for
your
testimony.
Thank
you
for
your
commitment
on
to
the
safety
of
the
city
of
Philadelphia,
in
particular
the
Corrections
Officers
inmates
and
staff
thanks.
Everyone.