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From YouTube: Committee on Public Safety 10-11-2022
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The Committee on Public Safety of the Council of the City of Philadelphia hold a Public Hearing on Tuesday, October 11, 2022, at 2:00 PM to hear testimony on the following item:
220654
An Ordinance amending Chapter 10-300, entitled “Minors,” to revise the evening curfew hours, all under certain terms and conditions.
A
B
Good
afternoon,
everyone
and
sorry
for
the
delay.
We
had
some
technical
issues
getting
online,
but
thank
you
for
your
patience,
and
this
is
a
public
hearing
of
the
Committee
on
Public
Safety.
Regarding
bill
number
220654
and
before
we
caught
a
meeting
to
order,
I
want
to
recognize
Samantha
William
Esquire
for
an
important
announcement.
C
Thank
you,
Mr
chairman
I,
understand
that
state
law
currently
requires
that
the
following
announcement
be
made
at
the
beginning
of
every
remote
public
hearing
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follows.
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to
the
current
Public
Health
Emergency
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council
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currently
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C
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testify
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D
President
hi
Mr
chair,
hello,
Miss
Williams.
C
Hi
council,
member
Kim.
E
Good
afternoon
Mr
chair
good
afternoon,
colleagues
I'm
president.
C
And
chairman
Jones
is
present
and
we
are
also
joined
by
council
member
Catherine,
Gilmore
Richardson.
B
Thank
you
so
very
much
and
before
we
get
started,
I'd
like
to
hear
from
the
author
of
this
Bill
to
comment
on
its
features.
A
Thank
you.
Thank
you
so
much
Mr
chair
and
thank
you,
colleagues
for
your
availability
for
this
hearing
today,
regarding
updates
to
the
curfew
bill.
As
you
all
know,
earlier
this
year.
A
Actually,
in
the
spring,
there
was
an
update
to
the
curfew,
Bill
that
was
supposed
to
be
just
for
the
summer
months,
and
the
bill
would
actually
sunset
September
29th
of
this
year,
Based
on
data
and
information
that
we
have
received
internally
from
our
partners
in
the
administration
relative
to
not
only
the
implementation
of
this
legislation,
but
also
how
many
curfew,
cases
we're
seeing
all
across
the
city
as
well
as,
unfortunately,
all
of
the
criminal
incidents
that
involve
young
people
under
the
age
of
18.
A
We
have
decided
to
remove
the
sunset
provision
from
this
legislation,
meaning
that
this
bill
would
be
in
effect
moving
forward
at
the
times
that
are
stipulating,
which
would
be
the
13
and
under
9
30
and
then
for
the
14
through
17
year
olds,
10
p.m.
We
wanted
to
ensure
that
we
addressed
some
additional
concerns
relative
to
the
Amendments
that
were
circulated
from
the
Law
Department,
recognizing
that
there
are
four
exceptions
to
the
ordinance.
A
A
In
addition
to
that,
the
law
Department's
opinion
is
that
we
needed
to
add
additional
exceptions
to
ensure
that
this
law
would
be
able
to
stand
up
in
court
if
necessary,
and
so
those
Provisions
would
be
if
the
young
person
is
in
a
vehicle.
That's
involved
in
Interstate
travel
if
they're
involved
with
dealing
with
an
emergency
if
they're
on
this
sidewalk
that
abuts
the
miners
home
or
the
next
door
neighbors
residents,
and
if
the
the
neighbor
has
not
complained
to
the
police.
A
Now
I
will
say
that
we've
even
seen
a
case
like
that
earlier
this
summer
in
the
in
attendance
at
an
official
school
or
religious
activity
or
exercise
in
their
first
amendment
rights
and
part
of
the
recommendation
of
the
Law
Department.
We
are
incorporating
those
amendments
to
ensure
that
we
have
a
strong
bill
that
will
stand
up
in
court.
A
We
all
recognize
that
we
are
in
a
state
of
emergency
with
our
young
people
and
we
are
utilizing
just
another
tool
in
our
toolbox
to
seek
to
help
our
young
people
in
addition
to
the
further
expansion
of
the
community
evening,
Resource
Centers,
which
I'm
sure
will
be
able
to
talk
about
briefly
during
this
hearing
today.
But
we
are
simply
seeking
to
do
all
that
we
can,
for
our
young
people
and
I've,
coined
the
term
and
really
recognize
what
we
are
dealing
with
and
I
call
it.
A
The
core
orbit
cut
covet
kids,
those
are
the
young
people
that
we
are
dealing
with.
The
Corbett
cut
covet
kids.
These
are
the
young
people
who,
10
years
ago,
were
little
babies
when
there
was
a
divestment
in
education
here
in
the
Commonwealth
of
Pennsylvanian,
you
know
decimated
a
number
of
our
programs
that
provided
a
wraparound
services
and
academic
enrichment,
and
this
is
the
environment
that
these
young
people
have
grown
up
in
and
in
addition
to
that,
you
layer
on
two
years
of
learning
loss.
A
You
lay
on
two
years
of
a
pandemic,
unlike
anything
that
we've
all
ever
seen
in
a
lifetime,
and
you
have
a
conundrum
of
activity
that
you
could
never
anticipate
and
or
expect,
and
so,
while
I
recognize
as
a
parent
that
parents
we
have
to
do
our
part
and
I'm
asking
our
parents
to
do
their
part.
We
also
from
a
government
and
Community
perspective
must
continue
to
utilize
every
tool
in
our
toolbox
to
seek
to
help
and
support
our
young
people.
A
So
while
we
are
working
on
ensuring
that
we
have
a
robust
curfew
in
place,
we
are
also
working
to
expand
the
community
evening.
Resource
Center
model
across
the
city
of
Philadelphia,
so
that
we
have
an
opportunity
to
provide
young
people
with
safe
spaces
across
our
city,
and
my
goal
is
to
have
one
in
every
police
division
so
that
we
can
have
opportunity
for
every
young
person
in
every
area
and
one
thing
I
wanted
to
say.
A
Lastly,
Mr
chair
for
the
record
on
this
issue,
because
I
know
that
suddenly
there's
been
intense
interests
around
the
community
evening,
Resource
Centers,
particularly
from
the
media
here
in
Philadelphia
and
I-
want
to
address
that
head-on
at
this
time,
and
what
I
will
say
is
that
I'm
not
going
to
apologize
for
seeking
to
do
all
that
I
can
to
help
our
young
people
and
whether
they
go
to
the
center
voluntarily
or
involuntarily.
The
point
is
is
that
we
have
service
500
young
people
in
the
community,
even
in
Resource
Centers.
A
The
two
that
are
open
currently
and
I
know
that
we'll
continue
to
service
more
so
whether
they
go
voluntarily
or
involuntarily.
They
are
now
in
a
safe
space
and
have
access
to
resources,
while
they
are
at
that
Center.
So
I
don't
know
if
anyone
is
looking
for
an
apology
for
me,
but
you
won't
find
one
because
I'm
not
going
to
apologize
for
seeking
to
expand
the
community
evening,
Resource
Center
model
and
seek
to
provide
safe
spaces
for
them.
So,
colleagues,
today
we
have
circulated
the
amendments
in
advance.
A
I
have
called
each
of
you
and
I
ask
for
your
support
of
this
legislation
so
that
we
can
continue
to
do
all
that
we
can
for
our
young
people
and
finally,
my
thoughts
and
prayers
are
with
the
families
of
the
young
people
who
were
impacted
by
gun
violence
last
night,
particularly
the
family
of
the
13
year
old,
a
young
person
up
in
the
Northwest
section
of
Philadelphia.
That
is
nothing
that
any
family
should
be
going
through
in
our
our
city,
and
we
will
continue
to
do
all
that
we
can
to
help
so
I.
A
B
Remember,
Richardson
I
I
just
want
to
thank
you
for
your
thoughtfulness
and
advocacy
on
behalf
of
our
young
people.
It
does
not
fall
idle
on
me
that
we
just
toured
the
Juvenile
Justice
Center
today
and
what
we
are
discovering.
B
Member
Jim
and
member
gutier
were
in
attendance
of
that
tour
that
they're
getting
younger
the
youngest
person
in
that
Center
was
10
years
old
and
I.
I
say
that
with
emphasis
that
they're
getting
in
more
serious
trouble
at
a
younger
age
and
whenever
I
look
at
the
news,
I
I
always
say
Well.
When
did
this
shooting
happen,
and
why
were
they
out
that
late
and
could
we
have
done
them
a
service
by
assuring
that
they
should
be
in
the
house?
So
thank
you
and
kudos
for
your
your
work
on
this
issue.
B
Are
there
any
other
members
of
this
committee
who
would
like
to
make
comment
seeing
none?
Oh
Miss
Williams.
Can
you
read
the
title
to
Bill
number
two:
two:
zero:
six,
four,
six,
five,
four.
C
B
Thank
you
both
please
unmute
your
mics
and
begin
your
testimony.
E
Good
afternoon,
good
afternoon,
good
afternoon,
City
Council
Members,
Gilmore,
Richardson,
Driscoll,
Jones
bass,
squilla
and
members
of
the
city
council
Committee
on
Public
Safety
again,
my
name
is
Gary
Williams
and
I'm.
The
Deputy
Commissioner
for
Juvenile
Justice
Services.
Here
at
DHS
today,
we've
been
asked
to
provide
testimony
in
response
to
Bill
number
220654,
a
bill
introduced
by
a
council
member
Gilmore
Richardson
that
aims
to
amend
Philadelphia's
minor
curfew
law.
E
As
you
know,
during
the
past
several
years,
the
Philadelphia
Department
of
Human
Services
has
greatly
increased
and
expanded
our
use
of
diversionary
programs
and
services
with
a
goal
of
preventing
entry
or
further
involvement
with
the
child,
welfare
and
or
delinquent
systems.
As
part
of
this
strategy,
we
are
focused
on
providing
safe
places
and
activities
for
young
people
in
our
city.
One
example
of
this
type
of
positive
youth
programming
are
the
community
evening
Resource
Centers.
Currently
we
have
two
community-based
centers
that
are
located
in
the
South
and
Southwest
sections
of
Philadelphia.
E
E
the
goal
is
for
the
staff
to
connect
with
youth,
to
promote
positive
development,
with
emphasis
on
family
engagement,
conflict
resolution,
violence,
prevention,
mentoring,
coaching
and
other
service
linkages.
The
centers
are
open
from
7
pm
to
2
A.M
to
engage
youth.
The
providers
who
operate
the
centers
promote
their
programs
and
services
to
surrounding
neighborhoods
and
invite
youth
to
participate.
E
The
centers
are
also
available
to
receive
youth
who
have
come
to
the
attention
of
the
Philadelphia
Department.
Excuse
me:
Philadelphia,
Police
Department.
After
a
curfew,
violation,
staff
work
with
youth
who
violated
curfew
to
safely
bring
them
home
and
address
their
needs.
Diversified
Community
Services
operates
the
South
Bay
site
at
the
Dixon
house.
The
weekly
schedule
at
Dixon
house
is
full
of
activities
such
as
homework,
support,
yoga
classes,
Sports
cooking
instructions
and
movie
Nights.
They
also
have
exempt
on
site
for
youth
engaged
in
sports
activities.
E
This
July,
the
Dixon
house
site
organized
the
community
and
family
engagement.
Barbecue
event.
Community
of
compassion
operates
the
Southwest
site
there.
You
will
find
youth
engaged
in
drone
programming.
Financial
literacy
classes
peer
mediation,
each
Wednesday
youth
participate
in
cops,
kids
and
cameras,
which
is
a
program
partnership
with
the
Philadelphia
police.
To
connect
youth
with
photography
skills.
E
Youth
can
also
become
drone
Cadets
when
they
participate
in
this
unique
drone
education
program,
which
is
designed
to
produce
safe
and
responsible
drone
Pilots.
This
site
also
partnered
with
Children's
Hospital
of
Philadelphia
for
some
back
to
school
events,
including
a
major
book
bag
giveaway
at
DHS.
We
believe
in
a
community-based
approach
to
prevention.
Our
goal
is
to
build
trust
with
the
youth
and
families
of
our
community.
The
centers
accomplish
this
by
creating
a
safe
place
for
Youth
and
their
families.
E
Since
January
of
2022,
the
centers
have
served
more
than
568
youth.
This
number
includes
both
youth,
who
may
have
come
to
the
center
voluntarily
or
by
way
of
the
Philadelphia
Police.
Department
DHS
is
delighted
to
announce
that,
with
the
support
of
council,
two
new
centers
are
projected
to
open
by
the
end
of
October
2022.
E
E
B
Thank
you
for
your
testimony.
Just
briefly,
I
had
the
opportunity
to
go
to
Pittsburgh
some
years
ago,
and
they
have
a
rendition
of
these
types
of
centers
that
they've
evolved
to
involve
Transportation.
They
get
kids
from
one
at-risk
neighborhood
transport
them
out
of
that
neighborhood
and
back
after
the
after
school
activities
safely,
and
they
have
attributed
on
those
operations
of
those
centers
to
the
reduction
of
crime.
B
Within
that
youth,
demographic
I
know
it's
early,
but
are,
are
you
seeing
any
impact
in
and
results
as
it
relates
to
this
investment.
E
Thank
you
for
that
question.
Council
member
Jones,
our
Performance
Management
and
Technology
division
at
DHS
has
worked
with
the
cert
leadership.
Jjs
leadership
here,
they've
created
a
very
comprehensive
evaluation
tool.
I
will
say
that
we
don't
have
a
report
as
of
yet,
but
we
are
in
position
to
actually
provide
that
in
a
very
near
future.
The
evaluation
is
actually
on
six
levels.
It
includes
reviewing
client
file.
It
includes
reviewing
reporting
requirements.
The
circs
have
a
requirement
to
report
certain
information
on
a
monthly
basis.
It's
a
administrative
requirement
review.
E
It
also
includes
agency
level
quality
indicators
which
basically
assesses
the
quality
of
the
assessments
that
are
being
done
on
each
site,
as
well
as
the
programming
and
there's
also
a
community
and
family
level.
Community
excuse
me
quality
indicator
section
where
we
are
assessing
the
level
of
Engagement
not
only
with
the
families
involved,
but
also
the
general
community
and
then,
most
importantly,
there's
a
youth
voice
element
where
young
people
are
being
interviewed.
E
So
we
Elevate
their
voices
to
get
a
sense
of
how
they're
experiencing
the
search
centers
and
what,
if
any,
anything
that
we
need
to
do
to
adjust.
We
should
have
something
in
terms
of
some
outcome:
data
in
the
very
very
near
future,.
A
Sure,
oh
I'm,
sorry
I
put
our
press
enter.
My
apologies
I
put
questions
at
the
end
of
the
panel.
So
after
we
hear
from
DC
deals
and
I'll
have
a
few
questions,
but
I
just
wanted
to
thank
Deputy,
Commissioner
Williams
and
the
team
at
DHS
for
all
of
the
work
you
all
have
been
able
to
do
in
getting
the
centers
up
and
running
and
getting
through
the
RFP
process.
I
did
want
to
have
for
the
record
the
number
of
young
people
who
have
visited
each
of
the
centers.
E
Yes,
I
actually
have
a
a
a
aggregate
number
and
that
number
is
568.
E
it's
over,
actually
that
that
that
number,
but
that
is
the
number
that
I
have
in
terms
of
the
last
information
that
came
out
of
our
PMT,
is
well
over
that
just
don't
have
it
have
that
information
published
at
this
point.
I
will
say
this
council
member
Gilmore.
When
you
look
at
the
summer,
we
just
got
out
of
the
summer
months:
May
June,
July
August,
there's
an
array
of
programming,
that's
happening
on
in
each
Center.
E
So
when
you
tally
on
a
monthly
basis,
there's
anywhere
from
70
to
80
workshops
that
children
are
participating
in
on
average,
we
are
seeing
250
participants
a
month
that
actually
fill
those
seats
within
those
within
those
workshops
and
that's
on
average,
that's
combined
just
with
only
two
search
centers
and
so
and,
as
you
all
know-
and
we
cited
we
referenced
this
earlier
with
the
tragic
murder
of
a
13
year
old
in
Northwest,
and
that
happened
around
the
seven
o'clock
hour
and
again
my
condolences
to
that
family.
E
The
centers
operate
from
seven
to
nine
o'clock
in
terms
of
programming
they're
there
until
2
A.M
upon
actually
participating
in
a
workshop.
Those
young
people
are
safely
got
driven
home
or
when
we
make
sure
that
children
are
actually
getting
home
safely,
and
so
we
know
that
that
period
of
time
is
very,
very
dangerous
in
our
city.
We're
giving
places
of
safety
security
for
young
people
to
come
to
be
exposed
to
programming
and
I
believe
even
some
of
our
city
council
members
raised
the
question
months
ago.
F
D
Hi
Mr,
chair
I,
have
questions.
D
I'm
interested
in
knowing
about
the
young
people
that
we're
picking
up,
particularly
the
young
people
who
who
are
not
coming
voluntarily,
who
are
picking
up
and
bringing
to
the
community
evening,
Resource
Centers
one,
what
portion
of
the
560
or
so
youth
do
they
total
and
second,
are
we?
What
do
we
know
about
those
young
people
about
their
family
situation,
about
whether
they're
involved
in
in
the
justice
system
already
or
have
been
about
whether
they're
you
know
coming
back
to
through
the
system?
In
other
ways?
F
I
believe
that
would
be
an
answer.
Deputy
Commissioner
Williams.
You
would
know
the
status
in
reference
to
who's
being
dropped
off
at
the
centers.
E
Yeah
so
I'll
I'll
say
that
the
majority,
the
majority
of
our
young
people
who
we're
serving
is,
are
coming
by
way
of
community
outreach
and
so
there's
a
there's,
a
smaller
number
that
that
are
coming
by
way
of
curfew.
Violation
I'll
also
say
that
the
the
age
group
that
we're
seeing
the
most
we
actually
serve
service
10
to
17.
age
group
that
we're
actually
seeing
the
most
probably
the
top
tier,
is
12
to
14.
E
and
then
a
close
second
14
to
17..
The
the
young
people
represent
those
particular
communities
and
when
we
look
at
the
the
race
and
ethnicity,
we're
looking
at
African-American,
young
young
young,
young
people
I
think
we're
off
to
a
great
start.
This
still
is
the
this
is
the
the
first
year
we're
seeing
some
tremendous
progress
with
only
two,
as
these
councilwoman
Gilmore
versus
Sin
indicated,
with
the
two
new
circs
coming
in
the
end
of
October.
E
This
will
have
we'll
have
for
the
of
the
police
reasons
covered
and
so
we're
off
to
a
great
beginning
again,
I'll
just
remind
folks
we're
not
in
the
enforcement
business.
So
when
they
come
to
us,
whether
they're
coming
from
curfew,
violation
or
voluntarily
we're
providing
a
level
of
positive
Youth,
Development
I'll,
also
say
out
of
the
568
300,
actually
are
young
people
who
continue
to
come
back.
So
there's
one
thing
to
engage
them.
It's
another
thing
to
keep
their
attention.
D
I'm
not
suggesting
that
we
enact
enforcement,
I,
I,
guess
I'm
more
questioning
if
it
behooves
us
to
to
have
information
about
the
young
people
that
we're
picking
up
and
kind
of
taking
to
the
evening
Resource
Centers.
What
do
we
know
about
them
that
might
maybe
help
them
not
to
you
know,
stay
on
the
wrong
path.
It's
assuming
they're
they're
on
the
wrong
path.
D
Do
we
do
we
track
anything
about
those
young
people?
Do
we
know
if
those
if
we
picked
up
those
young
people
more
than
one
time
or
if
they've
you
know
gotten
into
trouble
down
the
line
after
we
pick
them
up
and
take
and
took
them
to
their
evening?
Resource
Center
I'm
just
wondering
about
the
the
information
that
we're
Gathering.
If
any
about
the
young
people
were
taking
to
the
center.
E
Yeah
so
I
I
I
will
say
that
the
young
people
who
we
are
picking
up
when
they
come
voluntarily,
they
they
tend
to
come
back
when
they
come
involuntarily,
they
tend
not
to
which
is
a
smaller
percentage.
The
the
data,
some
of
the
data
that
we
are
collecting
includes
and
I'm
looking
at
a
a
report
here
includes
gender,
so
we're
we're
looking
at
more
males
than
females.
E
In
terms
of
to
specifically
answer
your
question,
we're
not
assessing
the
fact
we're
not
determining,
or
we
can't
conclude,
that
young
people
that
we
are
actually
serving
are
actively
involved
in
DHS
or
the
juvenile
justice
system.
That
is
an
area
that
we
have
to
take
a
closer
look
at.
We
do
track
whether
or
not
young
people
come
back
to
the
centers
and
right
now
it
is
a
pretty
high
percentage
of
of
young
folks
that
are
being
re-engaged
by
way
of
community
outreach.
D
B
You
thank
you.
Are
there
any
other
questions
for
this
panel,
seeing
none
Miss
Williams?
Who
is
the
next
group
to
testify.
B
And
before
you
start
your
testimony,
I
want
to
thank
you
for
what
you're
doing
down
at
that
Juvenile
Justice
Center.
It
is
appreciated
by
the
staff
there.
It
is
appreciated
by
the
juveniles
there
and
it's
appreciated
by
us.
So
thank
you.
G
Thank
you,
Council
chairman
I'm,
sorry,
chairman
Jones,
councilwoman,
Richardson,
guardier
and
I.
Think
James
was
still
on
and
councilman
Thomas.
My
testimony
is
going
to
be
kind
of
short
one
I
do
support
fully
bill
number
220654.
G
But
I
also
want
to
make
a
comment
that
I
want
the
council
folks
to
Serious.
Consider
a
very
it
will
be
a
controversial
something
that
I'm
getting
ready
to
propose.
G
G
You
know
very
well
when
I
was
working
at
the
house
with
mosia
the
reason
why
we
reduce
gang
deaths
to
zero
in
the
late
70s,
because
we
took
responsibility,
we
went
out
in
the
streets
we
organized
and
you
know
we
did
everything
we're
supposed
to
do
as
a
community.
We
didn't
worry
about
the
mayor
to
please
yay,
so
I'm
big
I'm,
promoting
that
again
about
responsibility
and
I
really
believe
that
the
centers
are
working
good
from
what
also
to
statistics.
G
I
heard
that
you
know
during
this
hearing,
but
I
really
believe
that
when
police
officers
pick
up
young
males
after
the
curfew
hour
that
their
parents
should
be
fine,
this
would
be
a
fine
put
on
a
parent
if
a
child
is
picked
up
after
the
curfew,
I'll
buy
the
police
and
and
when
I'm
saying
fine
do
it.
It's
almost
like
us,
a
woman's
got
as
they
do
assessment.
If
that
parent
is
irresponsible,
then
we
got
to
hold
that
parent
responsible.
G
Now.
I
know
that
some
folks
don't
want
to
hear
that,
but
and
I
heard
all
kinds
of
arguments
about
what
a
parent
might
be
working
two
or
three
jobs,
and
all
that
most
of
these
young
males
that
I
interacted
with
parents
say
working
two
or
three
jobs.
G
G
I
just
made
that
something
has
to
be
taken
more
than
this
picking
up
a
child,
taking
them
to
a
curfew,
Center
and
then
you're,
taking
that
child
home,
which
I
wasn't
aware
of
I
mean,
which
is
a
good
thing,
but
I'm
just
saying,
and
that
parents
not
coming
to
pick
up
that
child
I
think
that
parent
needs
to
be
financially
held
responsible
and
I'm,
not
I'm,
not
suggesting
what
a
feast
should
be,
but
that
should
be
a
fee.
G
I
think
it
should
be
a
fee
that
is
opposed
as
part
of
told
curfew,
effort
to
try
to
get
kids
off
the
streets.
G
So
I'm
recommending
that
you
consider
that
as
part
of
this
Bill
Amend
it
whatever
you
have
to
do,
and
but
you
do
assessment
of
of
that
parents
I'm
not
saying
blanket,
give
a
fine
to
all
the
parents,
I'm
saying
that
if
a
parent
is
found
out
that
that
child's
industry,
that
parent
is,
is
not
watching
that
child
making
sure
that
child
is
in
the
streets
that
something
happens
and
I
will
use
the
example.
G
One
of
the
young
man
who
was
arrested
is
that
the
still
at
jjsc
and
the
young
ladies
at
jjsc,
those
kids,
were
out
at
a
time
where
the
mother
admitted
At.
First,
she
wasn't
sure
they
were
supposed
to
be
over
a
friend's
house
or
a
relative's
house.
G
She
wasn't
sure
what
happened
and
when
they
talked
about
the
relatives
and
stuff
they
didn't
know
that
they
went
out
to
me
that
man
was
could
have
been
saved
if
those
kids
were
picked
up
at
two
o'clock
in
the
morning
taken
to
a
curfew,
Center
or
wherever
it
was
that
man
might
be
still
alive
today,
but
also
I
believe
that
those
parents
get
the
kids
who
live
with
their
mother.
She
should
be
held
responsible
for
the
ACT
that
happened
of
the
death
of
the
man.
We
have
to
look
at
doing
stuff
different
today.
G
Yes,
I'm
an
elder
I.
Finally,
councilman
Jones
accept
that
and
all
the
council
folks
that
know
me
I'm
an
elder
I
kind
of
think
different
as
young
folks
tell
me,
when
I
go
into
the
Juvenile
Justice
Center
every
week,
but
I'm
having
that
kind
of
dialogue
with
them.
I,
just
think
that
we
have
this
all
the
old
self
that
work
can
work
today.
I
really
believe
you
know,
everybody
wants
to
be
loved.
G
G
I
hate
excuse
me
I,
see
that
every
week
so
I'm
just
saying
that,
but
at
the
same
time
we
have
to
take
as
adults.
We
have
to
take
responsibility
for
our
action.
So
if
our
kids
are
out
in
the
streets
and
they
shouldn't
be
out
in
the
streets
and
adults,
not
taking
its
responsibility
for
the
action,
I
think
that
once
again
there
should
be
a
consideration
by
this
committee
to
find
I
know.
B
You
I
on
54th,
Street
and
remember:
Gilmore
Richardson
knows
there's
a.
B
He
came
out
for
whatever
he
was
going
to
the
store
and
on
his
way
to
that
store
a
young
person
or
in
the
age
range
of
seven
or
eight.
This
is
running
around
out
in
that
street.
B
B
Who's
supposed
to
be
watching
them,
and
so
when
you
say
about
taking
that
data,
remember
gutier
and
getting
taking
a
deeper
dive
on
it.
I
agree
with
that
that
we
we
should
try
to
find
out.
B
Why
are
you
out
here
and
what
can
we
do
to
prevent
you
from
having
further
complications
and
I
say
that,
based
on
the
100
shooter
review,
where
a
number
of
these
young
people
had
touches
with
the
system
early
on
before
they
ever
became
a
shooter,
and
if
we
can
intervene
earlier
and
kind
of
find
out,
the
causes,
I
think
Society,
those
kids,
the
the
community,
will
be
better
off,
and
so
thank
you
for
what
you
do
below
does
any
remember
have
any
further
questions
on
from
Mr
cuyun.
D
All
right,
Mr,
chair
I,
just
wanted
to
clarify
I,
wasn't
necessarily
asking
for
the
data,
because
I
think
we
should
find
people
I'm
that
I
don't
know
that
I'm
there,
but
I
do
think
picking
up
young
people.
You
know
after
curfew,
is
probably
an
opportunity
to
provide
a
different
level
of
intervention
that
could
save
their
lives
and
save
other
people's
lives,
and
so
I
appreciate
the
existence
of
of
the
centers
and
look
forward
to
working
to
see
how
we
can
really
change
the
the
path.
B
A
Just
really
quickly
I
just
wanted
to
thank
for
all
of
his
work
and
for
coming
onto
this
hearing.
We
talk
very
frequently
about
these
issues,
and
you
know
you
said
you
were
all
here
below,
but
I'm,
just
a
happy
belated
birthday:
okay,
you're,
just
seasoning
the
game.
Okay,
and
we
appreciate
all
of
your
work
and
I
do
accept
the
feedback
that
you
have
provided.
A
I
do
think
it's
important.
We
did
removing
for
the
record
for
clarity.
We
did
remove
the
fine
structure,
and
that
was
at
the
policy
recommendation
of
the
Defenders
Association
relative
to
the
whole
theory
around
criminalizing
poverty,
but
as
the
parent
I
will
say
that
as
a
parent
I'm
responsible
for
my
little
people,
all
three
of
them
and
I,
take
that
responsibility
very
seriously
and
I
know
due
to
a
number
of
circumstances
that
not
everybody
can
do
that
right.
But
we
have
to
be
responsible
for
our
young
people.
A
We
have
to,
from
a
government
perspective,
from
a
community
perspective
and
from
a
parent
perspective
and
I'm
not
going
to
apologize
about
parents
needing
to
be
responsible
for
their
young
people,
because
every
time
we
do
something
from
a
government
perspective,
people
say
well
well.
Why
are
they
doing
that
right?
But
we
have
to
step
in
because
there's
so
much
need
all
across
the
city,
and
we
can't
abdicate
our
duty
simply
because
folks
don't
want
to
be
responsible
for
their
young
people,
so
I
just
you
know,
want
below
to
know
that
I
received
the
feedback.
A
It
is
something
that
we
are
going
to
look
into,
there's
still
opportunity
to
further
amend
this
bill
and
working
with
the
members
of
this
committee
and
this
body,
and
we
will
continue
to
look
at
that.
It's
something
that
we
would
need
to
research
based
on
what
the
current
structures
are
and
I
will
certainly
get
back
to
you
with
that
information.
G
Councilman
Jones
can
I
make
one
quick
comment,
certainly-
and
this
is
reference
to
my
good
friend,
councilwoman
gotier,
listening
to
you
and
I
and
I
know
what
the
feedback
is
from
other
folks
and
Council
all
right.
G
One
of
the
things-
maybe
we
consider
is
that
if
there
is
a
young
man
or
a
young
woman
who
is
out
past
curfew
is
picked
up
by
the
police
and
his
assessment
done.
I
agree
with
you
what
you
said
about
this.
Who
is
why
and
all
that
God,
if
it's
an
assessment
done
and
it
determines
that
that
person
that
parent
was
not
being
responsible?
Maybe
he
said
about
the
monetary
issue?
G
Maybe
we
should
require
that
parents
to
be
in
classes
parenting
classes
to
you
know
no
words,
I'm
saying
we've
got
to
hold
that
parent
responsible.
So
it's
not
a
monetary
issue
which
I
know
some
folks
and
I.
D
I
would
be
down
for
that,
and
I
also
would
hope
that
if
we
look
at
the
family's
needs-
and
we
see
that
there
are
needs
for
housing
or
there
are
Workforce
needs-
or
you
know,
mental
health
needs
that
those
are
things
that
we
would
be
willing
to
intervene
and
provide
as
well.
D
We
tend
to
jump
towards
penalties,
and
you
know
penalizing
people
when
it
would
probably
cost
us
less
to
support
people
and
the
way
they
need
to
be
supported
than
to
deal
with
the
cost
of
a
homicide
that
comes
from
people
largely
from
people
not
having
what
they
need.
So
this
is
a
conversation
that
we
can
keep
going
and
I
I
I
disagreed
with
you
on
that
on
that
specific
point,
but
the
disagreement
is
much
less
than
the
huge
amount
of
respect
that
I
have
for
you
below.
B
Well
said
well
said:
if
that
concludes
the
testimony
of
these
Witnesses,
are
there
any
others
here
who
wish
to
testify
on
this
bill?.
B
Seeing
none
would
any
of
the
members
of
the
committee
like
to
have
a
closing
comment.
A
Thank
you
so
much
Mr
chair
and
thank
you
again,
colleagues,
and
thank
you
to
all
of
the
witnesses
that
provided
testimony
for
today's
hearing
and
I'm
just
asking
humbly
asking
for
your
support
for
this
Bill.
Thank
you
very,
very
much.
I.
B
So
now
we
will
begin
our
public
meeting
of
the
Committee
on
Public
Safety
for
city
council
to
review
bill
number
220654.
B
President,
a
quam
has
been
established
and
I
will
recognize
a
member
gutier
for
an
amendment
to
Bill
Number
220.
D
Thank
you,
Mr
chair
I
offer
an
amendment
to
Bill
number
220654.
A
copy
of
the
amendment
has
been
circulated
to
all
members
of
the
committee.
I
move
that
the
amendment
to
Bill
number
220654
be
approved
is.
F
B
Second,
all
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
aye,
aye
aye,
are
those
opposed.
The
eyes
have
it
and
Bill
number
two
two
zero
654,
as
amended,
has
been
approved.
Chair
again,
recognizes,
remember,
gutier,.
D
B
Second,
is
there
a
second
okay,
it
has
been
moved
improperly.
Second
did
all
those
in
favor
will
signify
by
saying
I
I,
all
those
opposed
the
eyes
have
it,
and
Bill
number
220654,
as
amended,
has
been
approved
and
the
rules
accounts
have
been
suspended
in
order
to
allow
reading
of
this
bill
at
our
next
session
of
counsel.
B
This
concludes
the
business
of
the
Public
Safety
Committee
I
want
to
thank
everybody
for
their
prompt
attendance
and
thank
you
for
bearing
with
me
for
having
technical
difficulty,
teas
and
being
a
little
bit
late.
So
thank
you.
Thank.