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From YouTube: Committee on Rules 9-13-2017
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The Committee on Rules of the Council of the City of Philadelphia will hold a Public Hearing on Wednesday, September 13, 2017, at 10:00 AM, in Room 400, City Hall, to hear testimony on the following item:
No. 170675 An Ordinance to amend the Philadelphia Zoning Maps by changing the zoning designations of certain areas of land located within an area bounded by Woodbine Avenue, Upland Way, 59th Street, Lancaster Avenue, and 62nd Street.
Committee on Rules
Chair: Councilman Bill Greenlee (At Large)
Vice Chair: Councilman Mark Squilla (1st District)
D
You
mr.
chairman,
and
thank
you,
members
of
the
committee
for
taking
this
time
to
deal
with
this
very
important
issue.
We
start
with
good
morning,
and
this
special
good
morning
to
the
Winfield
community
was
taking
time
out
of
their
schedule
to
come
here.
What
we
hope
to
do
today
is
begin
to
address
bill
number
one:
seven,
oh
six,
seven
five,
which
will
rezone
an
industrial
parcel
that
is
within
a
residential
location.
In
my
district.
Let
me
tell
you
first
about
Winfield.
D
It
is
where
I'm
from
I
attended,
Bieber
middle
school,
which
is
500
feet
from
the
proposed
rezoning,
I
attended
and
graduated
from
overbook
high
school,
which
is
500
feet
in
the
opposite
direction
of
this
facility.
I've
walked
by
that
facility,
Pierce
Phelps
for
at
least
3,000
times,
literally
going
back
and
forth
to
school.
So
it
is
for
me
my
home
I
still
live
there.
D
I've
gone
and
worked
with
residents
from
that
community
over
time,
I've
walked
their
neighborhood
to
make
sure
that
potholes
are
taken
care
of
and
deal
with,
complaints
about
the
circumference
of
that
facility
when
it
was
overgrown
in
grass
and
was
it
treated
right.
So
there
are
a
number
of
constituent
service
complaints
that
have
come
there.
I
want
you
to
know
that
people
there
take
pride
in
that
neighborhood
that
neighborhood
changed
in
the
60s
I'm.
D
The
first
African
American
of
this
that
or
the
other
profession
took
their
time
in
their
Treasury
and
moved
into
those
buildings
bought
there.
There
is
a
high
degree
high
degree
of
homeownership
in
that
area,
and
this
is
a
community
that
for
decades
has
been
particularly
about
what
comes
into
that
committee.
It
is
well
known
that
we
fought
against
bars
in
Winfield
from
the
days
of
Betty
Bradley
down
to
the
the
current
leadership.
D
So
this
is
not
something
new
as
a
councilman
for
this
district
I
am
responsible
for
ensuring
continued
investments
into
the
neighborhood
because
of
myself
in
a
state
representative
here
to
testify
today,
Morgan
Cephas,
we've
had
other
offers
in
this
location.
Lower
Merion
wanted
to
put
a
bus
depot
to
drive
their
kids
back
and
forth
to
school
and
come
out
of
the
Winfield
area
which
we
were
able
to
discourage.
So
this
is
nothing
new
for
us
to
want
better
better
for
this
community.
D
This
is
something
that
the
community
community
desperately
wants
to
see:
mixed-use
commercial
properties
that
add
value
to
their
community.
What
is
important
in
this
parcel?
It's
about
I,
believe
12
acres
is
this
decision
of
moving
a
transfer
station
which
has
been
proposed
and
the
application
went
in
yesterday
yesterday
yesterday,
when
in
yesterday
is
a
75
year
or
more
decision
once
you
move
it
there,
the
lifecycle
of
one
of
these
plants,
the
last
one
that
they're
trying
to
replace,
is
75
years
old.
So
now
let
me
transition
for
a
minute.
D
D
We
recognize
when
that
community
was
built
in
the
40s
that
there
were
no.
There
was
no
internet.
There
were
no
flat
screens
of
microwaves.
There
were
no
ink.
Two
men
I
get
that,
but
I
also
get
the
fact
that
a
lot
of
the
questions
that
we
asked
went
unanswered.
It
is
a
different
response.
Colleagues,
when
you
say
our
electric
magnetic
pulse
is
dangerous
and
the
response
comes
back,
there
has
been
no
proof
that
they
are.
That
is
a
very
different
response.
Then
we
are.
We
can
document
that
they
do
not
have
a
ill
effect.
D
I
went
into
this
with
an
open
mind
when
the
Commissioner
of
water
testified
in
last
year's
budget,
pull
it
up
that
electrical
pulses,
have
a
impact
on
piping
infrastructure
and
not
my
head
jumped
up
I
looked
and
I
said.
Could
you
repeat
that
said
it
in
the
budget
hearing
so
for
us
to
have
this
much
energy
next
to
a
residential
community
at
least
gives
me
pause,
so
I
want
to
say
that
a
Pico
has
moved,
in
my
opinion,
in
good
faith,
to
try
to
discuss
some
of
these
things.
D
We
have
met
at
least
a
dozen
times
one
at
Bieber
that
comes
to
mind.
There
were
over
a
hundred
of
Ed
Martinez
McBride
says
there
were
a
hundred
and
nine
people,
I
thought
it
was
200,
but
okay,
a
hundred
and
nine
or
so
people
came
in
there
and
asked
these
questions.
It
was
a
wonderful
presentation
only
problem
with
it
was
there
were
no
solid
answers.
D
Options
like
other
locations,
Marion
Avenue,
other
options,
properties
owned
by
PID
C,
but
if
people
believe
that
they're
too
big
to
fail
or
that
this
is
a
fait
accompli
and,
most
importantly,
what
changed
me
was
when
we
were
in
that
meeting.
One
gentleman
I
can't
remember
his
name,
stood
up
and
said
this
is
going
to
happen
anyway.
Pete
goes
too
big.
We
can't
fight
them.
Who,
who
will
fight
for
us
and
I,
want
to
answer
that
question
today?
I
will
and
I
hope
we
will,
because
these
people
deserve
that
voice.
Thank
You
mr.
chair.
C
E
Council
Greenlee
member
of
the
Rules
Committee
I'm
Mardi
Gras
Gorsky,
director
of
the
Development
Division,
the
Philadelphia
City
Planning,
Commission
and
I'm
here,
to
testify
on
bill
number
one:
seven:
zero,
six,
seven
five,
which
was
introduced
in
the
City
Council
on
June
22nd
of
this
year
by
Councilman
Jones
bill
number
one:
seven,
zero.
Six,
seven
five
proposes
to
rezone
the
former
pierce
phelps
hvac
distributor
site
located
within
an
industrial
corridor
at
59th
and
upland
way
from
i1
light
industrial
to
cmx
to
commercial
mixed
juice.
E
The
property
was
recently
purchased
by
pico,
with
plans
to
build
a
substation
that
would
relocate
and
update
their
Winfield
station
cmx
to
designation
would
not
allow
for
the
new
substation.
Additionally,
the
commercial
designation
would
require
ground-floor
commercial
use
as
well
as
allow
for
residential
development,
neither
of
which
is
appropriate.
Within
this
industrial
conclave.
Philadelphia
City
Planning
Commission
consider
bill
number
one
7-0
675,
that's
meeting
of
July
18th
of
this
year
and
recommended
that
it
not
be
approved.
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
Thank.
C
C
Pico
be
coming
up,
so
we
can
find
that
out.
Second,
quite
as
we'll
get
this
out
right
away,
if
a
permit
was
applied
for
before
this
committee
takes
action,
does,
in
your
opinion,
I
know
you've
been
doing
with
this
these
issues
for
a
while.
What
does
that?
What
does
that
do
to
the
patent
to
the
proposed
legislation?
There's.
E
Something
called
the
pending
legislation
doctrine
and
what
happens
is
once
a
bill
is
recommended
out.
Favorably
from
the
Rules
Committee
L&I
will
treat
that
bill
as
if
it
is
law
doing
everything,
except
for
issuing
the
permit
until
becomes
a
law.
So
if
you
were
to
reply
before
that,
pending
legislation
doctrine
is
in
effect,
you
basically
beat
the
beat
the
pending
legislation
doctrine
and
it
would
go
under
the
old
zoning.
Okay.
B
C
B
C
I
can
repeat
that
if
I'm
saying
it
right,
if,
if
a
what
mr.
Gorsky
says
is
his
opinion
is
if
a
application
is
it's
put
in
is
applied
for
before
a
committee.
The
rules
committee
takes
action
on
that
land.
The
zoning
as
before
the
hearing
pertains,
and
we
in
this
opinion
and
I
think
there
are
others
that
that
would
not
this
bill
would
not
be
effective
in
changing
that
legislate
in
changing
that
piece
of
land
did
I.
Make
that
clearer
that
or
make
that
more
confusing
yeah.
C
D
E
F
E
E
G
E
G
E
G
C
Could
I
interrupt
a
second
I
didn't
know
to
be
there's
many
question
represent:
Cephas
has
to
get
back
up
the
hair
Oberg
mr.
Gorsky
I.
Guess
you
just
step
aside
for
a
second
and
we'll
bring
you
back.
If
that's
okay,
representative
Cephas,
please
sorry,
I
didn't
know,
there's
gonna
be
any
questions.
I.
H
That
word
6:30,
so
I
can
stick
around
brother
good
morning.
Councilman
Greenlee
members
of
the
Rules
Committee
I
am
state
representative
Morgan
Cephas
from
the
hundred
ninety
second
legislative
district
representing
areas
in
West
Philadelphia,
including
Winfield
Overbrook
over
the
park,
Green
Hill
farms
over
Brook
farms,
Haddington
and
Carroll
Park
I'm
here
today
to
urge
the
committee
in
the
council
to
pass
ordinance
number
one:
seven,
zero,
six,
seven
five,
which
would
rezone
a
section
of
land
in
the
heart
of
my
district,
from
industrial
to
commercial
mix
used
allowing
for
commercial
space,
and/or
housing
before
I
begin.
H
My
testimony
I
want
to
especially
thank
councilman
and
Curtis
Jones
jr.
of
the
fourth
District
and
the
residents
of
the
Winfield
residents
Association
for
staying
vigilant
in
their
efforts
to
support
and
strengthen
our
neighborhoods.
As
we
all
know,
Philadelphia
is
making
significant
strides
as
it
relates
to
economic
development
and
strategic
planning
efforts
around
economic
development,
but
we
have
to
ensure
the
progress
is
felt
beyond
sinner
City
and
goes
into
neighborhoods.
Like
my
own.
H
Various
members
of
council
have
focused
on
the
issue
of
building
and
strengthening
middle
neighborhoods,
which
are
those
communities
on
the
cusp
of
decline
and
growth,
as
it
relates
to
the
immediate
area
and
discussion.
Along
with
the
council.
We
pay,
we've
made
significant
investments
and
key
elements
that
are
found
in
middle
neighborhoods
and
I'll
provide
some
examples:
investments
in
the
school
system.
Just
recently,
we
were
able
to
attract
a
special
and
mid
school
for
the
very
first
time
in
West
Philadelphia.
H
We
recently
opened
a
community
school
at
one
of
our
elementary
schools
and
to
the
councilman's
credit.
He's
invested,
worked
with
the
school
district
to
invest
2.5
million
to
create
more
CTE
programs
in
the
area
Overbrook
high
school.
Additionally,
there
has
been
investments
in
the
recreation
center,
as
well
as
the
water
department,
who's
invested,
close
to
a
million
dollars
and
a
water
infrastructure
repair
to
address
our
stormwater
overflow
issues.
H
So
all
of
these
things
help
grow
and
sustain
these
communities,
but
the
one
other
element
that
we
are
discussing
the
day
that
researchers
researchers
point
to
our
commercial
corridors
and
commercial
development
as
I
focus.
My
testimony
on
a
property
at
hand,
the
old
Pierce
Phelps
site,
located
at
59th
and
upland
way.
Looking
at
it
from
a
historical
perspective,
the
land
and
discussion
was
originally
used
as
a
buffer
zone
for
the
community
surrounding
it.
As
freight
trains
went
by
to
deliver
goods
and
goods
and
products
across
the
city.
H
The
usage
reflected
the
needs
at
that
time
and
at
that
time
Philadelphia
was
industrial
and
right
now,
with
growing
of
upwards
towards
more
than
a
thousand
residents
in
the
immediate
area,
where
commercial
corridors
that
are
flow
flourishing
in
that
area.
The
the
businesses
that
are
growing
the
most
in
that
area
are
zoned
cmx
and
we
have
close
to
forty
four
thousand
residents
traveling
a
long
Lancaster
Avenue,
which
is
adjacent
to
this
parcel,
which
represented
an
opportunity
for
the
city
of
Philadelphia
to
capitalize
on
these
parcels
of
land.
H
If
we
just
used
a
birth,
now,
I
know
everybody's
lobbying
and
pushing
for
Amazon
to
come
into
the
city
of
Philadelphia,
but
these
large
parcels
like
this
are
Parcells
that
the
city
is
looking
for.
So
we
can
take
advantage
of
these
big-box
businesses
and
to
use
this
land
as
industrial
is
to
miss
an
opportunity
for
the
city
of
Philadelphia.
As
the
councilman
said,
we've
recently
been
approached
by
Lower
Merion
School
District
to
store
school
buses
and
currently
Pico
is
interested
as
we
know
in
developing
the
site.
H
But
as
you
can
see,
there
is
clear
interest
in
the
parcel,
so
to
you
know
maintain
it,
as
industrial
again
is
to
lose
an
opportunity
for
the
city
of
Philadelphia.
So,
given
the
investment
and
overall
potential
in
the
neighborhood,
we
as
a
community
are
asking
for
the
land
to
be
zoned
commercial,
mixed
use
to
again
address
the
growing
housing
needs
in
the
area.
The
growing
commercial
space.
My
district
currently
does
not
have
a
health
care
facility.
We
again
need
additional
housing.
We
need
a
big
retail
box,
store
a
recreation
center.
H
The
list
goes
on
and
on
as
to
what
the
needs
are
of
that
Winfield
and
Overbrook
community.
So
over
the
years,
I've
had
the
pleasure
of
working
with
City,
Council
and
now
in
the
legislature,
and
our
constitutional
job
is
to
represent
our
community,
and
that
is
what
I
plan
to
do
with
this
matter
and
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
consideration
of
not
just
my
wishes
in
the
councilman,
but
the
wishes
of
the
community.
Thank
you.
Thank.
C
I
Reynold
Brown
good
morning,
councilman
Jones
mentioned
that
a
number
of
questions
book
whoa.
Let
me
not
assume,
were
you
able
to
attend
any
of
those
community
meetings?
Yes
and
Councilman
Jones
mentioned
that
a
number
of
questions
were
raised
that,
in
his
view,
were
not
answered
for
the
record.
Can
you
reflect
on
what
some
of
those
questions
may
have
been
and
where
some
of
the
outstanding
or
unanswered
questions
where
the
who,
what
those
questions
are
I.
H
Think
some
of
the
thank
you
for
that
question.
We've
had
close
to
six
to
seven
six
to
eight
meetings
with
pico,
but
also
with
the
community.
Some
of
the
main
issues
and
two
issues
that
are
most
concern
is
the
impact
'I'm
EMF
and
the
fact
that
we
were
not
able
to
get
conclusive
evidence
as
to
whether
or
not
it
has
a
health
impact
to
the
community
was
one
of
the
questions
we
just
didn't
get
answered
and
weren't
satisfied
with
their
answer.
We
join
some
of
the
community
meetings.
We've
had
residents
talk
about
their
health
concerns.
I
H
Young
lady
immediately
across
the
street,
has
cancer
and
it's
extremely
concerned
with
you
know
what
happens
with
this
facility
and
how
it
will
affect
her
as
she
goes
through
remission
and
we
weren't
able
to
again
get
a
conclusive
response
about
that.
I
think
the
second
most
important
thing
is
that
we
don't
know
exactly
what
they
are
going
to
be
building,
which
is
a
concern.
H
I
know,
the
question
was
asked
as
when
the
property
was
purchased,
but
it
was
purchased
back
in
2014,
and
this
is
not
Pecos
first
time
at
the
rodeo
so
to
not
have
a
conclusive
answer
into
the
councilman
Jones's
point
to
have
a
station
already
existing
in
the
Overbrook
community
for
75
years,
and
you
not
be
able
to
tell
us
what
it
looks
like
how
much
land
it's
going
to
take.
Are
we
going
to
be
able
to
see
it?
H
H
I
If
the
the
issues
you've
stipulated
they
haven't
been
adequately
addressed,
will
not
having
a
benefit
of
having
had
conversation
with
your
community
members
about
the
CBA,
it's
difficult
to
say
whether
the
CBA
would
would
aptly
or
adequately
capture
the
outstanding
concerns.
I'm.
Just
answering
the
question
for
you,
but
what's
your
view?
Do
you
believe
that
a
CBA
would
would
be
the
an
opportunity
to
to
bring
some
level
resolution
for
win-win
to.
H
G
H
H
G
H
C
J
J
Energy
possible
right
in
the
world
and
I
think
Pico
has
done
a
fabulous
job
with
controlling
a
lot
of
its
its
equipment
and
its
EMF,
and
you
know:
sustainable
energy
I
think
that
it's
provided
to
the
city
of
Philadelphia.
You
mentioned
traffic,
you
know
the
Planning
Commission
was
you
know
you
have
proposed
commercial
mixed
use,
and
industrial
industrial
use
would
actually
be
less
traffic
than
commercial
mixed
use,
but
aside
from
theories
and
the
cost
of
the
land,
what
would
help
the
community?
J
H
I
think
one
of
the
ultimate
things
I
feel
like
at
the
very
beginning
is
clear
transparency
of
what
the
project
is
and
what
the
timeline
is.
What
they'll
be
doing
I
understand
that
they
don't
have
any
of
that
information
to
date,
but
I
mean
they'll,
be
here
so
they'll
talk
about
it,
but
again
it's
not
their
first
time
at
the
rodeo
and
to
come
into
a
community
and
not
making
them
aware
of
what
it
is
that
you're
actually
doing
is
just
you
know
concerning
so
I
think
at
the
very
at
the
very
top
of
it.
A
J
Understand
that
once
a
zoning
permit
is
applied
once
legislation
is
is
put
forth
or
designation
has
changed
that
they
are
more
involved
in
the
development.
It's
you
know,
there's
lawless
a
yeah
require
community
input.
You
know,
especially
when
it
comes
to
Civic
design,
with
you
for
a
project
of
this
site
which
really
addresses
there,
our
input
on
the
aesthetics
and
the
look
and
the
feel
of
the
property
and
how
it
conforms
with
the
neighborhood.
J
A
lot
more,
you
know
when
it
cooks
are
so
many
because
I
know
we,
as
City
Council,
ensure
that
transparency
is
first
and
foremost,
so
we
kind
of
fight-
and
we
put
it
in
in
codes
and
and
make
it
law
and
to
make
sure
that
they're
a
part
of
the
process
the
whole
way
so
I
look
forward
to
having
this
conversation.
Thank
you.
Okay,.
I
H
Okay,
yes,
I
mean
because
again
I'm,
not
an
expert
in
any
of
this,
but
I
would
ideally
like
to
see
because
I
too
grew
up
in
the
wind
field
section
and
walked
past
peers.
Folks,
I
mean
we
have
numerous
young
people
that
go
to
and
from
their
homes.
People
but
I
mean
Winfield
connects
to
the
larger
city
of
Philadelphia
by
crossing
this
bridge
and
the
fact
that
we
don't
know
what
it
is
that
we're
going
to
see
is
just
you
know,
troublesome
I'm.
H
I
C
Thank
you.
No
further
questions
represent.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
for
coming
all
way
down
here.
Get
back
to
Harrisburg
brings
back
all
that
money,
okay,
that,
but
thanks
all
the
at
work
you
do
up
there.
Mr.
Gorsky
I
think
there
were
still
some
questions
for
you
and
I
promise
were
getting
to
the
community
very
soon
so
committee,
remember
what
committee
community
he's
been
sitting
there
very
patient
for
a
while
who
had
question.
G
C
D
I
C
I
E
J
You
mr.
chair
and
for
the
record
I
know,
actually
it
was
my
bill
that
we
sponsored
in
industrial
land
preservation,
so
maybe
I
had
a
little
part
to
do
with
with
the
Planning
Commission
in
reviewing
the
change
of
industrial
use,
because
it's
so
valuable
the
use
of
Dutton
industry
when
it
comes
to
mix
use
commercial
and
then
it
does
it.
You
know
when
people
taint
investors
tend
to
benefit
much
much
more
when
it
comes
to
finances
and
making
money
mix
use
in
commercial
use,
and
it
is
industrial
use.
So
you
know.
J
Hence
the
you
know:
businesses
leaving
the
city
not
created
jobs,
sustainable
jobs
and
a
sustainable
energy
future
for
a
city.
That's
that's
clean
and
that's
it's
responsible,
but
a
couple
questions
real,
quick
when
it
comes
to
and
and
I
want
you
to
explain.
Every
zonings,
complicated
zonie
affects
the
quality
of
life
of
every
individual
at
lives
of
the
city
of
Philadelphia,
and
it
really
affects
how
we
serve
as
elected
officials.
J
So
I
could
have
a
property
I
bought
10
years
ago,
and
that's
why
we
try
to
get
people
to
redevelop
quickly
instead
of
just
speculating
buy
property
10
years
ago,
and
you
know
markets
not
right
at
the
time.
I
can't
get
the
money
or
I'm
just
not
ready
yet,
and
then
you
submit
plans
and
then
that
really
triggers
you
know
the
the
evolving
so.
E
Take
all
that
backwards,
I
think
you
know
you're
you're,
correct
in
thinking
that
you
know
when
you
submit
plans
to
Illinois
for
permits,
you
should
have
kind
of
definite
idea
of
what
you
want
to
do
and
if
you
don't,
you
may
have
to
get
a
new
permit
and
that's
where
this
process
could
play
out.
I,
don't
know
what
was
submitted
I.
E
You
know
it's
a
application
for
a
use
for
a
substation
I,
don't
know
what
the
plans
look
like,
but
if
Barry
forgot
something
or
something
was
left
out
or
they
need
something
else,
there
may
be
another
permit
that
could
be
affected
by
what
happens
here
to
go
back
a
little
further
talking
about
the
processes.
Basically
any
change.
Zoning
change
has
to
go
through
City
Council.
If
we're
talking
about
a
singer
single
parcel,
it
could
be
either
pushed
through
by
the
council
person
or
requested
by
a
developer
of
a
site
to
change
the
parcel
generally.
E
They
have
to
meet
with
the
council
person.
Usually
it's
a
big
public
meeting.
They
have
to
go
to
the
Planning
Commission,
which
is
a
public
meeting.
They
have
to
come
to
this
committee,
which
is
a
public
meeting,
and
then
eventually
it
goes
to
City
Council
for
a
full
fanning
when
those
kinds
of
issues
include
larger
community
neighborhoods,
they're,
usually
driven
by
the
neighborhood.
So
if
you
want
to
rezone
your
whole
neighborhood,
basically,
you
know
we
send
folks
out
to
meet
with
people.
It
can
take
a
long
time.
E
You
know
to
rezone
the
whole
community,
it
can
take.
You
know
upwards
a
year
or
two,
but
you
know
we
work
hand
in
hand
with
the
community
again
has
to
go
to
the
City
Planning
Commission
has
to
go
to
City.
Council
needs
to
introduce
the
bill,
needs
to
come
to
this
committee
and
then
and
then
to
City
Council
as
a
whole.
When
there
are
projects
that
involves
CDR,
it's
another
piece
and
another
public
venues,
so
CDR
Civic,
Design
Review
for
larger
projects.
It
requires
our
CEO
notification.
E
Their
facts
are
SEOs
are
on
the
CDR
committee
for
the
project,
that's
in
their
neighborhoods.
So
when
we
have
a
project-
and
you
know
a
certain
neighborhood,
a
couple
of
representatives
from
the
are
SEOs
are
literally
sitting
on
the
committee
and
then
when
it's
in
another
neighborhood,
somebody
will
switch
out
and
they'll
be
to
new
yeah,
but
that's
a
public
process
and
requires
meetings.
I,
don't
know
if
this
project
would
hit
the
triggers
for
CDR,
because
I
think
this
is
going
to
be
small
buildings
and
big
equipment.
Cdr
is
really
more
for
big
buildings.
E
C
C
E
D
A
E
E
D
So
when
we
talk
about
big
industrial
use,
we're
not
talking
about
a
auto
plant
coming
there,
we're
not
talking
about
high
levels
of
high
paying
jobs,
I'm
I,
won't
say
it,
but
not
a
lot
of
them,
and
so
we're
talking
about
generally
a
75
year,
life
cycle
of
towers
and
how
that's
going
to
look
and
what
are
the
health
benefits,
and
once
we
make
this
decision,
that's
it
you
don't
just
go
from
Costco's
to
sears
is
one
condo.
You
build
this,
it
stays
and
that's
why
this
is
important.
Okay,.
D
C
D
A
C
M
N
Name
is
Yvette
dickerson
I
live
on
the
5800
block
of
upland
way
my
family
moved
into
when
Phil
I
believe
it
was
the
mid-60s.
Throughout
that
time
period
we've
experienced
many
many
different
changes,
both
positive
as
well
as
negative.
Some
of
the
positive
we've
seen
study
population
growth.
We've
seen
a
diversification
take
place
in
reference
to
pretty
much
every
day.
Now
we
see
new
faces
coming
in
from
the
suburbs,
then
moving
back
into
the
wind
fill
area.
N
As
opposed
that
would
encourage
encourage
bike
riding
as
opposed
to
driving
a
second
vision
that
we
had
for
that
property
is
surrounding
or
looking
for,
and
our
young
adults
and
I'm
talking
from
like
twenty
one,
and
there
are
not
many
training
sessions
or
not
many
training
programs
in
the
wind
fill
area
that
teach
our
young
how
to
work
with
their
hands
matter.
Of
fact,
America
is
now
they
have
a
shortage
of
machinist
plumbers,
pipe
fitters
paints,
and
if
we
could
erect
that
type
of
facility
to
accommodate
that
shortage,
that
would
be.
N
C
O
Good
morning
my
name
is
davina
Dukes
and
I
am
a
hwinfo
resident
since
1971.
My
mother
bought
the
property
and
I
currently
own
that
property
and
when
fell
on
a
5400
block
of
Moore
Street,
so
I've
been
in
wind
fill
again.
All
of
my
life
went
to
all
the
neighborhood
schools,
Mann
School,
Bieber,
Overbrook,
high
school
and
st.
Joseph's
University,
so
I
am
a
member.
I
am
a
on
the
Executive
Board
of
the
hwinfo
residents.
O
Association
I
am
sorry,
I
am
the
corresponding
secretary,
so
I
am
in
support
of
what
councilman
Joan
is
proposing
today,
I'm
in
support
of
what
the
community
wants.
The
community
wants
a
recreational
center.
They
want
places
for
the
children
to
be
able
to
come
to
spend
time
stay
out
of
trouble.
I'm
on
my
block
alone,
I
see
a
number
of
young
people
playing
outside
playing
basketball
with
no
place
no
place
to
go
nothing
to
do,
and
this
would
allow
them
an
opportunity.
O
A
K
O
Tional
Center
in
our
community,
we
want
some
place
for
our
children
to
be
able
to
go,
and
although
my
children
are
adults
now
the
only
place
when
my
children
were
younger,
the
only
place
that
they
were
able
to
go
was
to
the
cultural
center.
Where
we
now
have
our
meetings,
they
were
able
to
go
there
for
camp
and
that
sort
of
thing
we
don't
have
anything
in
Wind
fill
that
will
support
our
children,
and
that
is
sad.
We
also
want
additional
housing.
O
We
have
growth,
that's
going
on
now
and
we're
very,
very
proud
of
that,
and
we
want
that
to
continue
a
commercial
property,
the
news
legislation,
which
certainly
certainly
helped
us
retail
shops
things
for
our
community-
that
other
communities
have
that
we
don't
have.
We
want
that
same
opportunity,
jobs
in
our
community.
We
need
more
of
that.
This
would
keep
young
people
off
of
the
street.
O
This
will
give
them
an
opportunity
to
work
in
our
community,
so
I
am
in
support
of
the
legislation
that
councilman
Jones,
and
he
has
worked
so
tirelessly
with
our
community
state
representative-
have
worked
so
tirelessly
with
our
community.
Our
president,
my
Creed,
that's
going
to
speak,
has
worked
really
really
hard
and
we
support
any
efforts
that
the
councilman
has
to
bring
in
additional
jobs
to
bring
in
to
make
this
site
more
usable
for
everyone.
Thank
you.
Thank.
C
P
Name
is
webinar
Purcell,
James
senior
and
I
am
the
vice
president
of
win
for
resident
association
and
the
executive
director
and
founder
of
mentoring.
Men
ministries
been
in
the
community
of
Winfield
since
June
1969
as
48
years,
councilman,
Jones
and
I
attended
be
Virginia
higher
higher
together,
my
family
home
was
across
the
street
from
Pierce
Phelps
and
my
neighbors
were
be
in
close
proximity
to
the
e/m
ours.
P
That
I
can
see
it
from
my
front
steps
as
a
young
man
growing
up
in
Winfield
I
used
to
sell
the
evening
bulleted
in
the
daily
news
at
Pierce
felt
to
the
employees
on
our
way
home
I'm
here
to
support
councilman
Curtis
Jones
is
a
legislation
to
rezone
this
property,
from
industrial
to
multi-purpose
use
and
to
the
councilmembers.
We
need
you
as
council
members
to
listen
to
your
constituents
in
situations
like
this.
We
are
exposed
to
EMS
in
a
small
doses
anyway,
in
our
everyday
life
from
electric
appliances.
I
have
a
study
here.
P
Two
studies
actually
and
imma
leave
copies
with
the
councilman
and
with
the
City
Council
on
health
hazards
of
electromagnetic
radiation.
That's
what
I'm
here
for
I've
been
doing.
Some
study
on
it,
we
asked
Pico
April,
27th
questions
about
cancer,
producing
radiation
and
at
the
meeting
at
Bieber,
Virginia
high,
actually
mr.
McBride,
and
we
never
get
straight
answers.
We
never
get
answers
in
them.
These
studies,
I'm
sure
Pico,
knows
about
and
I'm
so
I'm
just
going
to
move
warned
that
we
believe
this
is
a
David
and
Goliath
type
of
situations.
We
all
have
five
smooth
stones.
P
We
have
185
government,
medical
and
scientific
experts
contributing
to
these
two
papers
in
this
study
on
electromagnetic
radiation,
I've
been
doing
a
quick
study
on
it
because
it
is
going
to
affect
our
community
in
a
negative
way
in
terms
of
health
and
especially
for
people
who
are
not
healthy
research,
aims
and
methodology.
Most
people
are
unaware
of
the
risks
surrounding
them.
As
a
consequence
of
electromagnetic
radiation,
studies
were
conducted
to
find
out
whether
the
use
of
electrical
devices
and
electric
electric
equipment
in
dangerous
human
health.
P
The
extent
of
harm
induced
by
continuous,
a
long-term
exposure
to
radiation,
whoever
the
results
were
far
from
being
conclusive.
This
research,
no
attempts
to
investigate
some
potential
effects
of
living
close
to
or
using
some
types
of
the
electromagnetic
radiation
sources,
and
this
would
contribute
to
increasing
public
awareness
and
taking
measures
to
evade
hazards
and
regulating
and
monitoring
the
use
of
electricity
radiation
measurements.
Measurements
were
taken
in
some
electric
field
zones
in
a
typical
city.
P
In
order
to
quantify
the
investigation,
electricity
is
transiting,
transmitted
at
high
voltage,
120
kv
s
or,
above
and
in
order
to
reduce
the
energy
loss
and
loss
and
long-distance
transmission.
Power
is
usually
transmitted
by
overhead
power
lines,
but
underground
power
transmission
has
a
higher
cost
and
great
operational
limitations,
but
in
some
times
use
but
are
sometimes
used
in
urban
areas
and
sensitive
locations
and
pìkô
is
not
talking
about
underground.
P
P
We
suffer
again
from
normal
everyday
usage
of
electricity,
but
we
do
not
need
to
add
more
EMRs
electromagnetic
radiation
to
our
environment.
Radiation
sources
again
EMRs
occur
in
nature,
where
current
environmental
exposure
to
man-made
sources
of
EMF
has
progressively
increased
due
to
the
overwhelming
use
of
electricity
and
wireless
technology.
In
our
modern
day,
society
and
the
human
to
human
body
is
exposed
to
a
complex
mix
of
EMF
at
various
frequencies.
During
a
lifetime
exposure
to
tems
or
EMRs,
electric
currents
exist
naturally
in
the
human
body
and
play
an
important
role
in
the
normal.
P
The
physiological
functions
nerves
transmit
their
signals
by
relaying
electric
impulses.
The
effects
of
exposure
to
EMF
when
the
body
and
cells
depend
on
the
EMF
frequency
and
strength
at
low
frequency,
EMS
passed
through
the
body,
all
right,
I'm,
just
gonna
skip
through
all
of
this
again
you're
gonna
have
a
copy,
but
I
just
want
to
get
to
be
important
effects
of
the
health
consequences
to
electromagnetic
radiation
hazards
to
humans,
in
other
words,
the
biological
effects.
P
P
A
smog
has
an
effect
on
cell
physiology
and
consequently,
on
the
control
mechanism
of
the
body.
Emf
s--
produce
reactions.
Cell
communication
happens
as
several
thousands,
even
millions
of
a
volt
for
good
health.
The
body
must
be
able
to
communicate
within
itself
for
good
health.
The
body
must
be
able
to
communicate
with
itself,
that
is
to
be
in
harmony
with
the
natural
rhythm.
The
random
Panda
patterns
from
a
smog
can
create
noise
in
our
body
and
force
it
out
of
synchronization.
P
The
body
is
a
complex
communication
system
where
cells,
tissue
ordnance
and
organisms
all
talk
to
each
other.
The
communication
includes
finally
team
bio,
electrical
transmitters
and
receivers.
Two
more
well-known
biological
impacts
of
East
mark
are
interruption
of
the
brain
wave
patterns
leading
to
behavioral
complications
and
to
end
the
interference
with
the
body's
communication
system,
feeding
the
leading
to
unusual
neurological
function
such
as
dementia,
chronic
fatigue
syndrome
and
fibromyalgia.
P
The
cell
male
brain
melt
membrane
receptors,
recognize
EMS
at
very
low
levels
of
exposure
by
producing
a
stress
response
similar
to
that
produced
by
exposure
to
heavy
metals
or
toxic
chemicals.
In
conclusion,
in
terms
of
recommendations,
there
is,
however,
some
epidemiological
evidence
that
prolonged
exposure
to
high
levels,
more
than
of
power
frequency
magnetic
fields
is
associated
with
risk
of
leukemia
and
children.
It
is
obvious
from
our
study
that
EMR
does
cause
harmful
effects
on
human
health.
The
EMF
exposure
has
a
cumulative
effect
increasing
over
time
and
with
the
dose
children.
P
Pregnant
women
in
various
with
poor
health
conditions
are
especially
at
risk
for
a
lifetime
of
exposure.
The
amount
of
absorbed
versus
exposed
radiation
has
to
be
considered,
since
the
absorption
depends
on
the
nature,
amount
and
duration
of
radiation,
as
well
as
the
individual
body
condition.
It
is
worth
mentioning,
however,
that
research
and
studies
alerting
from
hazards
are
much
more
than
those
denying
the
effects.
Communication
and
electric
industry
such
as
pico
and
other.
P
Yeah
entities
mask
the
hazards
in
order
not
to
risk
their
business.
Now
the
diseases
associated
with
EMRs
are
child,
leukemia
stress,
mucus,
breast
cancer,
immune
deficiency,
reduced
sperm
count,
brain
tumors,
Alzheimer
disease,
inflammatory
diseases,
poor
concentration,
chronic
fatigue,
daily
headaches,
asthma,
metro
magnetic
hypersensitivity,
digestive
disorders,
hypertension,
chest
pain,
sleep
disruption,
Parkinson,
disease,
acoustic,
neuromas
aromas,
erratic
coughs,
ad
D,
ADHD,
Biff
defects,
forgetfulness
insomnia,
brain
fog,
brain
cancer,
heart
problems,
allergies,
migraine
miscarriages,
rheumatoid,
arthritis
and
cell
mutation.
So
these
are
the
nervous
systems.
Yes,
yeah.
C
M
For
showing
up,
my
name
is
Michael
Reed
I'm,
president
of
the
Winfield
residents,
Association
and
I'm
here,
representing
the
500
members
of
the
WRA,
as
well
as
the
over
15,000
residents,
who
the
WRA
advocates
for
and
Winfield
the
WRA
stands
with
the
Winfield
community.
Who
is
opposed
to
this
pico
plan
to
erect
an
electrical
substation
at
that
location,
59
turn
up
and
away
people
bought
this
parcel
of
land
a
couple
of
years
ago,
but
just
lately
began
to
remove
asbestos,
make
structural
changes
and
now
plans
to
demolish
Enphase.
M
M
M
Thus,
the
young
children
and
teenagers
have
to
travel
outside
of
their
community
to
be
taken,
safe
and
structured,
recreational,
cultural
and
social
activities
for
many
youth
who
do
not
or
not
allowed
to
leave
the
neighborhood
because
of
their
parents
concerned
about
their
safety,
they're
left,
standing
on
the
corners
or
roaming
around
the
streets.
Looking
for
some
constructive
activities,
the
children
and
youth
of
Winfield
deserve
a
community
center.
M
Pico
was
shown
other
alternative
sites
close
by.
That
would
be
ideal
to
build
a
new
electrical
substation
and
allow
the
community
use
this
space
for
the
purpose
of
recreation,
affordable,
affordable
housing
and
retail
shops.
So,
on
behalf
of
the
residents
of
Winfield
community
I
urge
council
to
consider
and
then
pass
legislation
to
have
this
site
rezone
for
the
multi-purpose
use.
Thank
you
kindly
for
your
time.
J
I
Good
morning
and
I
I
would
be
remiss
not
to
applaud
you
for
your
activism,
because
it
really
does
matter
as
a
resident
of
winfield.
I
know
well
the
work
of
WRA
as
we
are
represented
at
all
of
those
meetings,
and
it's
not
new
news
that
that
WRA
has
been
actively
engaged
and
everything
happening
of
them
when
feel
from.
Quite
frankly,
the
encroachment
of
st.
Joseph
University,
where
we
were
at
very
opposite
ends
of
a
continuum
and
after
a
gazillion
meetings,
we've
become
neighbors
in
a
friendly
way.
So
your
leadership
really
really
needs
to
be
recognized.
I
M
Good
question
of
missive
at
Dickerson
here
who
lives
across
the
street,
came
to
a
WRA
meeting
one
night
and
she
was
alarmed.
She
said
she
saw
folks
walking
around
and
what
appeared
to
be
spaceship
spacesuit
like
gear
Mike
mass,
and
that
was
Pete.
That
was
our
first
sign
of
pico
and
that
was
in
January
February
of.
M
I
You
need
to
be
you're
a
great
block
captain
and,
as
I
mean
I
started
my
engagement
in
my
block
as
a
block
captain,
so
you
you've
honored
that
Duty
quite
well,
and
so
the
the
subsequent
interface
or
next
step
was
what
you
saw.
This
unusual
activity
or
stepped-up
activity,
and
then
she
pointed
to
WRA
I
see
and
have
you
all
been
able
to
attend
those
important
meetings,
conversations
discussion
over
the
last
I
guess
it
would
be
nine
months.
I
M
M
But
to
demonstrate
some
of
the
lack
of
communication
of
concern
for
the
residents
is
Pico
sent
out
a
letter
to
the
community
stating
that
they
wanted
to
hold
the
meeting
on
the
same
night
around
the
same
time
as
WRA
I
calls,
councilman,
Jones
and
other
folks
in
the
area
say:
listen.
You
know
that
we
have
our
meeting
on
the
same
night.
M
A
P
Those
of
us
have
in
Philadelphia
are
used
to
this
kind
of
corporate
bullying
and
I
remember
lead
poisoning.
We
don't
want
to
wait
until
a
whole
lot
of
folks
die.
We
want
to
get
ahead
of
this
and
be
proactive.
That's
reason
why
we're
so
active
in
this
situation.
I
remember
when
South
Street
was
changed
back
in
the
60s
early
70s.
Maybe-
and
you
know
just
minorities,
why
do
they
need
to
put
these
kind
of
substations
and
electronic
substations
EMRs
in
minority
neighborhoods
again
study?
P
Neither
said
why
not
go
on
the
ground:
it'd
be
more
cost
to
them,
but
they're
a
billion
dollar
corporation.
They
can
afford
it,
but
it
just
looks
as
if
they're
not
looking
out
for
us
the
community,
the
homeowners.
This
is
going
to
affect
our
home
value
and
property
value
again
beside
to
health
issues.
So
it's
just
bad
all
around
plus
the
way
they
kind
of
snuck
into
our
community
without
alerting
us
and
letting
us
know
2014
until
2017
that's
three
years,
you
know,
and
we
should
have
known
what
they
were
doing.
P
Okay
and
again,
just
the
lack
of
communication
not
trying
to
work
with
us
as
a
community
just
just
recently,
I
got
the
letter
for
the
19th
of
September
and
that's
the
same
night
of
our
community
meeting,
starting
back
up
for
the
front
of
fall,
but
we
just
need
more
communication.
We're
trying
to
be
good
neighbors,
but
the
bottom
line
is,
is
that
video
was
really
trying
to
make
it
a
pretty
hard
for
us.
So.
O
So
in
my
conclusion,
again,
I'm
very
compelled
to
work
along
with
the
youth
and
our
community
I
work
with
disabled
children.
Currently,
children
with
emotional
physical
disabilities
and
our
children
need
someplace
to
go.
They
need
something
to
do
so.
I
would
urge
Pico
to
reconsider
their
plans
to
build
a
substation.
We
need
this
property
for
another
use
and
that
is
to
benefit
our
community
and
our
years.
Thank
you.
So.
C
Just
so
I'm
clear
the
a
pig
because
I
think
Pecos
gonna
come
up
and
say:
they're
gonna
try
to
work
with
the
community
to
find
a
middle
ground,
or
whatever
word
you
want
to
use.
Your
position
is
you're
you're
opposed
to
this,
no
matter
what
I'm
not
jontron,
your
mouth,
I'm,
just
trying
to
figure
out
what
you
yeah.
O
N
D
N
D
A
D
C
D
D
N
D
C
A
C
C
L
L
Chairman
Greenlee
vice
chairman
school
and
member
and
members
of
the
Planning
Commission
good
morning
to
you,
you
know,
as
I
said
here,
I
think
two
key
issues
came
out:
one
was
75
year,
lifecycle
and
the
other
is
investment
in
this
community.
So
I
think
the
the
reason
councilman
Jones
seized
upon
75
years
as
a
life
cycle
for
a
substation
is
there's
a
substation
in
that
community,
really
within
walking
distance
from
where
the
old
Pierce
Phelps
site
is
now
it's
our
Overbrook
substation.
L
That's
been
there
for
75
years
and
it's
coming
to
the
end
of
its
useful
life.
So
we
have
determined
to
make
an
investment
or
reinvestment
in
this
community
with
a
new,
modern
substation.
This
substation,
that's
there
and
Overbrook
now
is,
is
at
the
end
of
its
useful
life.
We
are
going
to
invest
50
million
dollars
for
the
new
substation
and
upland
way
and
I'll
talk
about
that.
In
a
moment
we
don't
invest
50
million
dollars
because
we
don't
believe
in
a
community.
We
don't
do
it
willy-nilly.
L
We
do
it
because
we
do
believe
that
the
community
is
growing
and
vibrant
and
it
needs
energy.
There
was
a
lot
of
talk
and
I
think
it's
it's
it's
valid
and
it's
what
we
want
to
see
in
that
community,
because
again
we
don't
want
to
spend
a
lot
of
money
on
a
substation
for
naught
and
we
want
to
make
sure
the
community
has
reliable
power,
but
we
believe
this
is
a
growing
and
vibrant
community.
L
L
When
the
Planning
Commission
looked
at
this
over
the
summer,
they
came
to
the
same
conclusion
that
if
you
want
to
have
development,
this
area
you've
got
to
get
the
energy
from
somewhere
and
it's
not
it's
not
gonna,
be
coming
from
the
Overbrook
substation.
You
know
for
the
next
25
years
that
needs
to
be
retired
and
our
plan
is
to
retired
in
2022,
so
I
think
the
75
year
thought
is
clear
and
it's
a
right
touch.
Point
I
also
think
investment.
We
all
want
to
invest
in
the
community.
That's
what
Pico
is
about.
L
Why?
Why
did
we
select
this
site,
so
the
upland
way
site
is
the
site
of
the
old
Pierce
Phelps
distribution
centers,
so
that
was
a
distribution
center
for
heating
and
air-conditioning
systems
that
they
used
it's
below
grade.
So,
if
you've,
ever
driven
by
there
and
I've,
been
out
to
the
site
many
times
it's
below
grade,
so
just
naturally
anything
that's
there
is
already
going
to
be
below
the
grade
of
the
community.
Second
of
all,
it
is
right
next
to
a
rail
line,
so
you
have
wires
associated
with
electrical
substations.
L
Instead
of
having
the
wire
run
these
wires
in
a
new
area
over
homes,
we
can
just
use
the
existing
railway
line.
Easement
there
so
it'll
be
right
consistent
with
the
area.
Also,
it's
a
large
property.
So
we've
talked
about
how
close
the
property
is
to
homes.
There
are
homes
bordering
the
property.
There
are
businesses,
boarding
the
property,
there's
a
bridge
when
one
side
of
the
property
as
well,
but
the
the
land
is
great.
It's
a
10-acre
site,
so
the
size
is
large
enough.
L
We're
not
gonna,
take
10
acres
for
a
substation
and
the
substation
itself
would
be
quite
far
from
the
actual
homes.
So
I
obviously
looked
at
this
a
lot
over
the
past
several
months,
but
there
are
substations.
We
have
an
L
Brook
station
might
even
be
a
good
example
where
you
would
have
a
home
this
close
to
the
actual
electro
equipment.
That's
not
going
to
be
case
it
up
in
a
way
because,
first
of
all,
the
greater
the
land
in
the
sized
land,
we
can
build
the
substation
within
the
property.
L
I
think
the
other
key
thing
is
really
did
we
look
at
other
sites,
I've
heard
that
raised
as
well,
and
we
did
look
at
other
sites.
We
look
all
over
the
area
to
see
if
there
were
other
sites.
We
don't
just
pick
one
site,
that's
not
wise
for
us
as
a
community
partner
as
a
business,
we
looked
at
the
property
actually
just
on
the
other
side
of
the
bridge,
where
there's
a
distribution
center
that
property,
in
addition
of
not
being
for
sale,
it
didn't
have
the
appropriate
drainage
characteristics.
L
100
percent
of
that
is
not
below
grade.
There's.
If
I
remember
the
the
road
that
passes
by
some
of
that
goes
down
and
goes
around
the
corner,
so
that
is
an
area
that
is
not
entirely
below
grade.
We
looked
at
properties
farther
away
and
the
farther
away
you
get
from
a
substation.
You
get
a
degradation
in
the
voltage
and
again
that's
a
reliability
issue.
So
if
somebody
we
built
it
far
away
and
somebody
tried
to
turn
their
TV
or
trying
to
turn
on
their
lights,
they
wouldn't
work
too
well.
L
I
think
the
other
thing
that
it
that
is
key
here
is
that
this
is
something
that
we
tried
to
work
with
the
community
on,
and
many
of
you
know,
I'm
new
to
this
role.
I've
been
in
this
role
for
about
a
year
and
six
months
and
I
was
in
our
legal
department
before
when
we
purchased
the
property
in
2014,
we
met
with
people
that
we
thought
represented
the
community
and
we
got
information.
That
basically
was.
We
should
wait
till
we
were
ready
to
take
action.
L
Let's
not
do
anything
until
we're
ready
to
take
action
then
have
community
open
houses
then
have
communication
and
then
go
forward
with
the
demolition
of
the
old
buildings,
which
were
more
than
fifty
years
old
and
construction,
the
new
buildings-
and
we
took
that
advice
now.
Maybe
we
did
not
reach
out
to
the
right
people
when
we
got
that
advice,
but
we
did
take
the
advice
we
had.
L
We've
had
community
meetings,
we
had
one
in
April,
we've
had
communications
and
we've
extensively
answered,
questions
actually
I
stay
up
many
a
late
night
answering
the
questions
myself
and
we
can
provide
you
with
copies
of
those
detail.
Questions
and
we've
gotten
compliments
on
our
answers.
We
have
a
phone
line,
we
have
a
dedicated
web
address,
so
people
have
said
to
us.
Thank
you
for
answering
the
questions.
You've
given
us
answers
of
questions
and
we're
gonna
have
another
open
house
on
September
26,
so
I'm
not
saying
we've
done
everything.
L
I
was
said
earlier
that
someone
said
it
was
a
done
deal
well.
I've
said
to
the
councilman
into
representative
Cephas
and
and
we
we
are
friends,
they
are
hard
advocates
for
their
community
they've.
Given
us
a
tough
time,
but
this
is
not
something
where
there's
any
anger
or
enmity
and
I
expect
them
to
continue
to
give
us
a
tough
time,
but
the
bottom
line
I've
said
to
them.
This
is
not
a
done
deal
and
we
work
every
day
to
show
people
that
we'll
continue
to
be
a
worthy
partner
in
the
community.
L
I
want
people
to
know
as
well.
This
is
a
necessary
thing
in
the
community,
so
we
all
know
now.
What's
going
on
with
her
V
Harvey
and
Irma,
we've
sent
several
of
our
technicians
down
to
Florida
to
help
out
a
lot
of
these
people
going
down
are
going
to
rebuild
substation,
because
this
is
how
you
get
power
in
a
community.
There's
a
substation
not
too
far
from
me,
where
I
live
and
I
live
out
in
the
suburbs.
This
substation,
by
the
way,
is
to
provide
power
for
this
community.
L
It's
not
to
provide
power
for
another
community,
so
I
wanted
to
you
see
my
written
remarks.
I
could
give
you
a
very,
very
flowery
statement,
we're
interested
in
truth,
I
think
we
have
a
long
history
of
being
known
as
community
partner.
This
is
not
a
done
deal.
This
is
not
something
where
we
were
not
going
to
work
with
community
and
I
believe
we
have
work
with
the
community.
Certainly
I
personally
tried
to
work
with
community
the
representatives
and
we'll
do
that
going
forward.
So
I
know
this
is
a
difficult
issue.
L
It's
a
difficult
issue
to
be
on
the
other
side
of
the
table
of
councilman
Jones,
it's
difficult
to
hear
the
community
upset
with
us,
but
we
asked
you
really
I'd.
Ask
you
to
table
this
bill
I,
don't
know
that
we
need
to
spend
a
lot
of
time
with
legal
maneuvers.
I
do
want
you
to
know
by
the
way
that
we've
had
zoning
at
this
property
for
many
years
before
we
were
here,
we've
had
zoning
at
this
properties,
which
was
upheld.
We've
held
off
on
doing
many
things,
because
we
want
the
community
to
be
comfortable.
L
We
could
have
demolished
the
building
several
months
ago,
but
we
held
off
on
doing
that.
We're
willing
to
work
with
community
and
I.
Ask
you
to
table
this
bill.
Let's
continue
to
work
together,
you
know,
there's
always
an
opportunity
to
come
back
if
people
think
we're
not
being
honest
purpose,
but
I
think
the
best
way
for
us
to
go
forward
is
not
to
engage
in
a
lot
of
legal
maneuvers
and
we
filed
our
site
plan
consistent
with
the
zoning.
L
That's
been
there
for
many
years,
I,
don't
think
it
should
be
a
surprise
that
we
bought
the
property
with
the
zoning
being
commercial.
Industrial.
Excuse
me,
the
property
next
door,
zoned
industrial
I,
don't
think
it
should
be
any
surprise
that
we
filed
a
site
plan
for
industrial
use
of
the
property
all
in
there.
I'm
certainly
going
to
actually
question
Jack
all.
A
Introduce
myself,
my
name
is
Neil
sclera
for
the
attorney
and
I
have
the
privilege
of
representing
Pico
this
morning
from
a
planning
perspective.
I,
don't
have
to
remind
this
committee
that
zoning
has
been
an
issue
in
remapping
an
issue.
For
many
years
you
set
up
a
new
zoning
code.
There
has
been
11
district
districts
for
which
there
will
be
comprehensive
plan.
The
district
comprehensive
plan
is
ongoing
for
this
area.
The
current
recommendation,
which
hasn't
been
published
yet
is
to
take
an
eye
to
area
and
make
it
an
eye.
A
One
areas
still
industrial,
but
both
districts
would
allow
the
substation
as
a
permitted
use.
There
is
inherent
in
that
process
a
community
interaction
working
with
the
planners.
As
you
well
know,
zoning
is
a
is
supposed
to
be
a
product
of
comprehensive
planning,
not
a
knee-jerk
reaction,
but
something
we're
where
there's
a
good
reason
for
that
to
be
done,
not
to
stop
a
project
but
to
promote
growth
in
the
city.
A
C
Mr.
gay
I
don't
know
if
you're
certainly
probably
not
an
expert
in
this,
but
you
heard
that
the
whole
health
issue
brought
up
a
lot
by
the
particularly
the
community,
we're
not
going
on
a
light
detail.
I'm
sure
this
isn't
the
first
time
health
issue
has
been
brought
up
with
a
substation.
Can
you
comment
on
that
at
all,
and
what
because
position
is
on
that,
and
certainly.
L
Sir,
certainly,
we
believe
that
there,
the
there
are
not
how
ill
health
effects
from
substations
we
have
130
of
them
throughout
our
our
service
territory,
they're
in
the
suburbs
they're
within
the
city,
there's
one
in
Overbrook
right
now,
which
is
serving
the
community
and
has
done
so
for
75
years.
So
we
wouldn't
be
building
these
things
if
we
thought
they
had
ill
health
effects.
I
would
say,
as
you
know,
chairman,
there
can
be
found
claims
that
many
things
cause
ill
health
effects.
Cellphones
microwaves,
you
know
a
number
of
things.
L
C
L
But
just
in
summary,
either
the
sites
were
too
far
away.
So
again
the
distance
means
you
have
a
degradation
in
the
electricity,
the
basically
the
voltage
where
they
were
too
small.
Again,
you
need
a
certain
amount
of
space,
and
this
is
because
of
the
10
acre
property.
We
have
ample
space
to
make
sure
that
we're
far
away
from
the
community
as
well,
so
that
that's
really
the
key
issues
and
then
you
know
some
of
the
properties
weren't
for
sale.
L
You
put
those
things
together.
This
is
a
great
site
and
again
I
want
to
emphasize
because
the
rail
line
being
there,
and
so
we
don't
have
to
run
transmission
lines
over
people's
homes
because
it's
the
grade
is
below
grade
and
we've
been
working
with
the
community.
We've
had
open
houses
to
show
how
we
can
screen
the
portion
of
from
the
ground
up.
We
can
do
that
with
trees
with
screening
things
like
that.
So
there
are
a
number
of
ways
to
work
with
the
community
to
make
sure
that
this
is
less
less
visually
there.
L
I
would
also
say
we
people
have
said
we
haven't
shown
detailed
plans.
Some
of
those
I
was
holding
off
on
doing
any
work
at
the
property,
even
though
we
could
demolish
the
buildings
today
we
wanted
to
do
the
planning
and
conjunction
with
community
I
could
come
and
show
people
what
a
substation
looks
like,
but
that
doesn't
really
provide
them
much
input
on
how
we're
going
to
do
it.
L
C
D
A
D
Live
in
Cheltenham,
Town,
all
right,
I
do
know
one
at
least
one
of
your
members
lives
in
my
district.
None
of
them
live
in
Winfield,
however,
where
this
is
going
to
be
so
the
difference
between
the
sense
of
urgency.
You
have
versus
the
sense
of
urgency.
They
have
is
two
different
worlds.
All
right!
That's
number
one!
You
said
this
proud.
This
total
project
was
going
to
cost
about
50
million.
D
L
Have
not
I
mean
it's
a
budget
of
50
million,
but
and
that's
a
great
question
actually,
because
if
there
are
things
that
we
can
do
with
the
substation,
that
may
take
the
entire
50
million
if
the
community
feels
there
are
other
things
they
want
done
and
maybe
the
less
that
50
million
is
used
and
it
can
be
used
for
things
like
basketball
courts.
Are
we.
D
Before
at
least
a
dozen
meetings
since
April,
the
first
question
is:
what
is
the
plan
and
we
haven't
gotten
it
and
I
you
you
point
to
where
substations
are?
Is
it
so?
You
know
this
is
what
it
could.
These
people
at
least
deserve
to
know
what
they
will
look
out
of
their
windows
at
maybe
for
the
next
75
years.
That's
my
first
concern
we're
talking
about
50
million
dollars
worth
of
investment,
which
we
want
you
to
invest,
but
maybe
not
there,
and
if
you
are
going
to
do
it
there,
what
does
it
look
like?
D
D
L
Was
more
than
actually
is
another
old
substation,
very
old
substation?
The
design
was
basically,
there
were
cables
that
were
close
together.
We
don't
by
the
way
that
design
is
sold.
We
happen,
that's
probably
the
last
one
that
we
had
on
our
system,
but
there
were
cables
close
together,
which
you
know
in
the
time
that,
since
that
one
was
built,
we
spaced
them
and
sheathed
them,
so
that
wouldn't
have
again.
But
the
reason
was
a
cable
caught
on
fire
and
it's
for
it
to
other
cables.
So.
L
D
We
don't
know
what
the
design
you
have
planned
for
this
station
is
so
that
takeaways
should
be
submitted
to
this
community
and
to
this
council
with
a
design
that
says
here's
what
happened.
Here's,
how
we
prevent
it
that
that
goes
our
just
you're
moving
into
or
want
to
move
into
a
neighborhood,
and
we
don't
know
whether
you're
gonna
build
a
back
deck,
enclosed,
porch,
five
story.
Building,
we
don't
know,
nobody
knows
what
it
looks
like
how
much
energy
does
your
current
facility
at
63rd
Street
produce?
D
L
D
L
L
D
D
L
I
have
to
say:
councilman
we
can
get
you
these
answers.
We
provided
again.
As
you
know,
both
your
office
represented
cephas
offices
and
the
community
provided
written
questions.
We
submitted
answers
to
all
those
questions.
My
recollection
is.
This
was
one
of
the
questions
I
project
didn't
have
memorized
when
I
came
here
to
testify
on
was
why
the
zoning
of
industrial
is
appropriate.
L
L
Once
you
have
a
substation
actually-
and
this
is
why
we
think
it's
good
for
the
community-
you
don't
have
a
lot
of
ingress
and
egress
from
that
area.
So,
unlike
a
unlike
bus
terminal
or
other
things
which
I
think
the
community
will
be
upset.
If
we
had
a
lot
of
traffic
going
in
and
out,
you
construct
a
substation
and
you
don't
need
a
lot
of
ingress
and
egress.
How.
D
L
I
respectfully
disagree
for
you
to,
for
the
community
and
for
Philadelphia
and
for
Pico
to
attract
businesses.
Amazon
is
not
gonna
and
I
development
is
under
me
as
well.
Amazon
is
not
gonna
come
to
an
area
in
the
city
wherever
it
may
be.
Without
knowing
the
electric
infrastructure
is
already
there,
they're
not
going
to
pay
to
build
it.
They're
gonna
want
Pico
to
have
it
there.
So
the
substation
itself
we're
not
you're
you're,
absolutely
right.
The
substation
is
not
going
to
have
ten
people
working
there.
L
D
I
agree
and
I
want
you
to
know:
I
really
do
that
we
have
to
have
infrastructure
somewhere
and
that
we
have
to
produce
electric
electricity
to
do
the
things
we
want
to
do
as
a
city
I
get
it.
But
I
don't
want
the
argument
to
be
made
to
my
colleagues
that
by
preserving
this
industrial
nature
and
we're
going
to
create
a
bonanza
jobs,
the
answer
is
zero,
no
jobs
just
substation
that
they
have
to
look
at
I.
Don't
want
that
illusion
to
be
thing.
L
D
L
I
mean
I
want
to
lay
out
the
timeline,
so
we
have
a
community
meeting
and
I
do
this
for
the
committee
I
know,
you're
aware
this
councilman
and
it's
partly
at
your
insistence
that
we're
doing
these
things,
although
these
are
things
they're
part
and
parcel
of
how
we
do
business.
We
have
a
community
meeting
scheduled
for
the
26.
We
did
make
a
mistake
of
initially
scheduling
on
the
night
of
the
Winfield
residence
Association
community
meeting.
We
didn't
know
that
they
had
a
meeting
at
that
time.
L
I
said
how
do
we
make
it
right
and
we
moved
the
meeting,
so
we
made
a
mistake.
We
move
the
meeting
and
I
think
everybody
hopefully
can
go
forward,
but
there's
plenty
of
time
to
meet.
In
addition
to
the
September
26
meeting,
we
plan
to
have
other
meetings
we
plan
to
have
quarterly
updates
the
plan.
To
start
this
project
is
not
until
2019
and
it
can
include
it
as
2022.
There's
a
lot
of
time
for
us
to
talk
about
design
concerns,
how
we
can
ameliorate
them.
L
C
C
Talking
burger
before
I
do
that
you
had
mentioned
this
list
of
questions
and
answers
to
Pico
get.
Could
we
receive
a
copy
of
that?
Or
could
you
provide
that
to
to
me
and
we
can
get
it
to
the
committee
members
I
think
they
might
want
to
see
those
those
questions
and
answers,
Thank,
You,
councilman
top
my
burger
thank.
F
F
L
So
you
have
the
you:
have
the
homes
that
water
one
side
of
the
property
you
have
the
street,
you
have
the
fence
of
the
property.
You
know,
a
rough
guess
is,
that's
you
know.
I'm
gonna,
be
conservative.
Yeah.
But
let's
say
the
closest
house,
I
would
say
is:
is
75
feet
from
the
fence.
Then,
as
you
go
once
you're
inside
the
fence,
there's
a
grading
of
the
property
down,
so
it
slopes
down
which.
L
L
Give
us
an
opportunity,
just
from
the
natural
gray,
to
have
the
substation
below
the
low
site
right
and
then
not
a
hundred
percent
will
be
below
site.
I
mean
you
do
have
to
have
certain
things
at
the
top
to
basically
there's
lightning
arresters,
like
many
buildings,
have
will
have
them
on
top
of
certain
parts
of
the
substation,
so
those
will
be
above
grade,
but
there's
things
we
can
do
with
trees,
with
screening
to
again
from
the
ground
up
to
provide
a
visual
block.
L
But
I
would
say
the
grade
down
from
the
fence
is
probably
another
15
feet,
and
then
you
have
to
have
a
perimeter
around
the
substation
itself.
So
and
again,
I'm
gonna
be
conservative,
you're
talking
probably
another
15
to
20
feet
there.
So
I
mean
you
have
a
pretty
large
space
before
you
get
close
to
the
substation
itself.
L
F
L
F
L
Substation
in
Center
City,
depending
on
where
it
was,
might
be
different,
so
there
probably
some
areas
where
you
know
people
wouldn't
give
it
a
second
look
and
there's
less
coverage,
there's
less
fencing
around
it.
So
you
know
if
it's
you
know,
if
it's
let's
say
it's
a
new,
your
I
95
and
there's
really
not
much
around
it.
You
know
probably
wouldn't
be
much
fencing
or
screening
around
it.
If
it's
something
that's
closer
to
a
residential
area,
there
would
be
a
fair
amount
of
screening
around
it.
B
F
L
It
would
be
decommissioned,
so
there
is
removal
of
the
equipment,
grading
of
the
land.
You
know,
remove
over
any.
You
know,
let's
say
an
arm
broke
or
something
from
a
substation.
You
know
we
cleaned
up
everything
that
was
there
we,
you
know,
we
don't
have
current
plans
for
what
we're
going
to
do
with
that
property,
but
it
would
be
open
to
being
used.
We
wouldn't
use
it
could.
F
L
L
L
L
It
could
be
used,
a
multi-purpose
building
could
be
put
there.
That
you
know
is
something
again.
We
wouldn't
be
able
to
take
out
a
surface
until
upland
way.
The
upland
way
substation
was
fully
in
use,
but
it
could
be
used
for
a
multi-purpose
building
sports
usage.
Any
any
community
used
to
have
would
be
it.
F
Wouldn't
become
what
is
sometimes
referred
to
as
a
brownfield
work,
nothing
can
be
put
there.
It
could
be
used.
It
can
be
used.
Yes
to
say
that
again
out
of
the
hundred
and
thirty
substations
in
southeastern
Pennsylvania,
have
there
been
any
situations
where
someone
said
hey,
you
know
what
you're
making
me
sick
I'm
suing
you
is
that
that's.
L
My
nas
and
I've
come
from
the
legal
department,
so
obviously
I
would
deal
with
these
issues.
You
know
we
always
have
some
kind
of
litigation
in
some
way
shape,
but
quite
frankly,
in
the
ten
years
that
I've
been
in
legal
department
haven't
heard
of
anyone
saying
that
a
substation
has
made
them
sick.
If.
F
L
L
L
L
You
know
you,
probably
in
the
in
the
area
that
I
live
in,
there's
probably
about
a
hundred
thousand
people
or
so
who
could
have
visual
view
of
the
substation.
So
I
would
say
you
know
you
probably
have
about
three
or
four
hundred
thousand
people
who
are
close
enough,
where
it's
a
reasonable
Drive
or
within
walking
distance.
It
might
be
a
smaller
subset,
but
these
are
in
the
community
right.
F
F
A
F
B
L
A
L
I
would
say:
that's
consistent,
so
councilman
in
vice-chair.
Forgive
me
if
I
have,
if
I'm
saying
something
already
heard,
but
this
area
has
been
zoned
industrial
for
many
years,
if
not
many
decades,
we
have
been
there
since
2014,
we
purchased
the
property
in
large
part
before
cause.
It
is
zoned
industrial
and
for
the
other
location,
Regent
reason
that
I
mentioned
and
we've
had
several
litigation
issues.
So
I
don't
know
that.
It
should
be
a
surprise
that,
given
that
we're
trying
to.
B
Know
it's
not
a
surprise
to
me,
I
mean
we
I
deal
with
development
all
the
time
in
my
district
and
anytime
there's
remapping
or
rezoning.
We
have
a
Russ
to
apply
because
people
want
to
protect
their
rights
of
that
development.
Well,
Maya
think,
is
that
I
hear
the
community
doesn't
want
it
at
all
from
what
I
gather
here,
and
so
they
don't
want
this,
but
you
have
a
permit
to
develop
it.
Which
means
is.
You
could
probably
use
that
as
of
right
was
it
as
of
right
plan
to
get
a
permit.
B
Hold
up
the
process
always
the
best
way
is
through
dialogue
through
communication
and
understanding
that
yes,
people
do
not
want
something
in
their
neighborhood,
and
we
deal
with
this
in
development
all
the
time
in
my
district,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if
somebody
is
doing
something
as
of
right
and
they're
going
to
even
with
appeals
and
delays,
and
you
might
not
be
able
to
build
it
for
a
little
bit.
Eventually,
you
build
it
where
a
few
have
some
type
of
what
I
heard
cba
mentioned
earlier,
which
we
do
a
lot
in.
B
L
We've
been
asked
to
maintain
the
facility
and
we
you
know
I
mentioned
earlier-
we've
gotten
compliments
on
that.
Actually,
so
we
cut
the
grass,
we
trim
the
trees.
We
do
that
on
a
regular
basis
will
be
doing
leaf,
removal,
snow
removal.
We
do
debris
removal,
so
you
know,
even
though
we're
not
building
anything
right
now,
we've
been
very
careful,
and
this
is
in
response
to
questions
by
the
councilman.
We've
been
very
careful
to
make
sure
we
maintain
the
property
so
that
if
it's
in
the
community
I
mean.
B
We
have
some
developers
that
don't
talk
to
us
at
all
if
they
could
do
something
as
of
right,
they
go
in
there.
Do
it
no
meeting
with
me
or
the
community
or
anything
and
they
go,
and
then
we
try
to
question
them
and
yeah.
We
appeal
their
permits
and
eventually
they
get
to
build
it
without
any
input.
So
I
I
would
suggest
that
that
we
could
somehow
get
people
back
to
a
table
sit
down.
B
Let
people
know
what
you
can
and
cannot
do
as
of
right,
whether
it's
appealed
or
not,
but
be
a
good
neighbor
and
understanding
what
their
concerns
are.
If
this
is
something
that's
going
to
be
forthcoming,
how
can
you,
when
you
always
have
a
negative
impact?
What
you
believe
is
negative
impact
on
the
community,
usually
a
CBA
sort
of
helps
relieve
that
negative
impact
in
a
way
that
the
community
says
all
right.
B
That's
done
through
conversation
and
meetings,
and
you
can't
have
them
at
a
community
meeting,
though
I
mean
you
have
to
do
it
with
leadership
with
the
council
person
and
with
the
certain
leaders
of
the
community
to
find
out
what
are
those
things
that
could
be
done,
but
right
now
what
I
hear
is
it's
and
I
guess
I
mean
correct
me
if
I'm
wrong,
but
they
just
don't
want
it.
So
since
they
don't
want
it,
there's
not
going
to
be
any
converse.
So
it
sounds
like
it's
going
to
end
up
in
court.
B
Anyway
is
my
opinion
and
because
you
haven't
as
a
right,
terment
eventually
you'll,
do
it
without
any
benefits
for
the
community,
which
I
would
hate
to
see
and
I.
Just
think
that
if,
if
cooler
heads
prevail,
you
get
back
to
a
table
and
I
mean
this
is
not
my
district.
So
usually
we
follow.
Leave
the
district
council
person
and
it's
the
best
way
to
do.
B
This
is
to
open
up
those
lines
of
communication
again
and
find
out
what,
if
possible,
people
can
live
with
and
work
with
in
the
process
and,
if
you're
willing
to
do
that
and
councilman
Jones
and
the
communities
willing
to
do
that,
then
I
think
it's
something
that
can
move
forward.
If
not
have
a
feeling,
it
may
be
resolved
in
other
ways.
So
that's
just
my
opinion.
Yes,.
L
And
we
appreciate
that
councilman
and
I
would
say
we
we
do
not
intend,
even
if
there's
a
further
litigation,
we're
going
to
talk
to
the
community
I
mean
we
have
a
meeting
set
for
September
26.
We
have
had
the
legal
right
to
demolish
the
buildings
for
several
months
now,
we've
held
off
because
we
didn't
want
to
do
it
until
we
talked
to
the
community.
L
So
we're
going
to
continue
to
talk
I
hope
we
don't
have
to
do
a
lot
of
legal
fighting
back
and
forth,
because
you
know
that
just
really
takes
away
from
us
doing
a
something
that
ultimately
will
benefit
the
community,
which
is
the
substation,
but
you
know
we'll
continue
to
reach
out
and
work
and
meet
even
through
this
process.
Okay,.
J
Thank
You
mr.
chair,
and
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
you
know,
I
wasn't
even
gonna
call
that
we
were
just
kind
of
being
repetitive
here,
but
you
know
kind
of
struck
me
le.
Nobody
wants
to
go
to
court
I,
don't
think
that
anybody
benefits
by
court
action
whatsoever.
I
think
it's
in.
In
my
experience
it's
always
best
to
try
to
use
this
experience
and
conversations
to
make
something
work
for
everybody
and
whether
that's
using
this
hearing
for
for
this
legislation
or
having
another
series
of
community
meetings
to
have
the
conversation
more
in
detail.
J
L
L
Here's
my
here's,
my
sort
of
understanding
there
are
people
who
are
mostly
against
this
substation.
There
are
people
who
come
and
this
this
area
by
the
way
and
we
send
mailings
in
throughout
the
area
not
just
to
the
people
who
border
the
property,
but
this
area
would
serve
about
15,000
people.
So
you'll
have
people
who
say
you
know
it
may
not
be
great,
but
I'm
willing
to
listen.
And
then
you
have
people
who
are
open
if
there
are
community
benefits,
so
you
have
a
range.
L
You
have
people
who
will
say-
and
this
is
in
you
know
pretty
much
everything
we
do
and
I
think
counsel
may
experience
as
well.
You're
gonna
have
some
people
who,
whatever
you
do,
are
gonna
be
against
it
and
I
don't
want
to
lose
those
people,
but
that's
a
fact:
you'll
have
some
people
who
say
it's
not
a
great
thing,
but
I
can
live
with
it
and
you
don't
have
some
people
say:
hey
well,
they're
gonna.
Do
this
they're
gonna
do
this
for
the
community.
J
It
not
everybody
is
gonna,
be
happy,
and
understandably
so,
I
mean
there's.
Some
people
are
just
gonna,
be
you
know
not
in
favor
of
any
kind
of
construction,
regardless
or
development.
You
know
no
matter
what
the
use
is
you
know,
but
I
would
urge
you
know.
It
sounds
like
that
you
are
willing
to
sit
with
the
neighborhood.
You
know
here,
like
you
know,
what
are
your?
What
are
your
top
three
to
five
priorities?
J
Alright,
can
we,
you
know,
employ
neighborhood
folks
in
you
know
the
future
of
that
site.
This
is
where
I'm
gonna
have
to
disagree
with
my
colleague
about
industrial
land
preservation.
Alright,
you
know
I
do
think.
Even
though
it's
transfer
station
there
are
going
to
be.
You
know,
job
creation,
opportunities
for
people
in
the
community.
L
J
Okay,
I
heard
a
couple
of
things
here
today:
would
neighborhood
participation
all
right?
They
want
jobs,
I
didn't
want
reliability,
I
want
to
ensure
that
you
know
there's
a
buffer
or
something
aesthetically
that
you
know
that
is
not
going
to
intrude
in
their
quality
of
life
and
their.
You
know
when
they
look
out
their
window
or
to
walk
out
the
door.
You
know
that
you
know
they're
a
part
of
seeing
what
that
looks
like
right,
because
they're
gonna
have
to
look
at
it
right
since
it's
it's
across
the
street.
Is
there
an
opportunity?
J
If
it's
not
on-site
there,
you
know
as
a
good
business
partner.
Can
you
know
you
know
you,
you
know,
find
a
spot
for
a
little
bit
of
a
recreation
opportunity
for
for
people
to
play
safe
in
in
in
the
community
and
and
and
last
you
know,
you
know-
maybe
maybe
use
this
as
an
opportunity
to
connect
for
real
job
training.
You
know
within
you
know,
direct
employees.
You
know
for
Pico
in
in
the
community
and
use
that
as
a
training
opportunity
to
say,
hey,
look
at
not
just
construction,
but
this
is.
J
This
is
what
a
substation
or
transfer
station
looks
like.
This
is
why
we
do
it.
What
we
do
is
you
know
when
there's
a
problem
down
the
line,
we
transfer
it
and
reroute
it
and
divert
it
from
here
to
there.
So
businesses
and
homes
can
function
until
we
resolve
the
problem.
It
sounds
complicated
right,
maybe
not
to
you,
but
most
people
don't
understand.
J
You
know
what
a
transfer
station
or
any
other
kind
of
utilities
actually
do,
but
without
them
we
can't
survive
so
I
I
would
seize
this
as
an
opportunity
to
really
sit
down
with
the
community,
as
you
would
indicate
that
they're
willing
that
you
are
willing
to
do-
and
you
know
I
think
all
of
us
are
thankful
for
that.
You
know
at
the
the
lead-
and
you
know
councilman's
guidance
to
Shepherd
the
community.
You
know
through
a
process
that
can
that
could
be
complicated.
J
It's
gonna
be
painful,
you
know,
but
we
can
get
through
anything
because
we're
the
city
Philadelphia
right,
because
we're
awesome
and
the
people
are
awesome
and
don't
on
there,
and
nobody
can
underestimate
us
ever
all
right.
We
want
to
do
something
we'll
get
it
done
absolutely
in
total
agreement,
Wow.
C
I
Afternoon,
thank
you
for
your
testimony.
Councilman
Squealer
very
eloquently
articulated
what
I
would
like
to
put
on
the
record
and
leave
with
you
and
allow
me
to
give
you
a
little
bit
of
backstory.
It
took
City
Council's
eight
years
to
under
the
councilman,
Clark
and
I
were
responsible
for
the
ultimate
merger
of
Parks
and
Rec.
It
took
us
eight
years
to
get
that
done,
working
with
the
community
over
gazillion
meetings
trying
to
land
in
a
place
that
we
could
all
live
with.
It
took
me
two
years
to
get
menu.
I
It
took
me
four
years
to
get
my
lead
bill
passed,
requiring
landlords
to
test
to
make
sure
that
their
buildings
did
not
have
lead,
particularly
where
you
had
children
and
I
cite
that,
because
it's
going
to
take
a
minute
to
figure
out
presuming
all
has
prevailed
with
the
leadership
of
councilman
Jones,
to
figure
out
how
we
can
honor
the
concerns
raised
by
the
community
and
look
councilman
Jones
to
see
where
we
end
up.
I'm
pleased
to
hear
that
the
meeting
initially
scheduled
for
the
13th
you
said
has
been
rescheduled
for
26.
L
L
I
L
Demolish
the
old
piers
Phelps
buildings,
so
those
buildings
have
been
there.
One
of
them
dates
back
to
the
50s.
One
I
understand
predates
that
and
we
need
to
bring
them
down
because
essentially
they
pretend
potentially
create
a
hazard.
So
someone
theoretically
could
break
in
and
squat
well,
there
could
be
the
potential
of
the
fire.
L
So
the
meeting
on
the
26
is
really
dedicated
to
say:
here's
how
we
plan
to
do
this
in
a
way
that
works
with
the
community,
the
traffic
study,
so
we
know
how
vehicles
will
be
going
in
how
the
building's
are
going
to
be
taken
down
and
it's
not
with
a
wrecking
ball.
It's
going
to
be
piece
by
piece
but
to
lay
out
those
details.
Obviously
we're
gonna
have
our
team
there
to
ask
answer
other
questions,
but
the
real
focus
is
before
we
did
anything
and
Councilwoman
Reynolds,
Brown
I
just
want
to
say
this.
L
L
Have
a
web
address
where
they
can,
where
the
community
can
submit
questions,
or
we
have
a
hotline,
they
can
call
if
they
like,
so
that
if
they
have
questions,
we
get
those
questions.
We
have
somebody
who's
monitored
and
even
as
we
speak,
and
we
will
get
a
response
out
promptly,
depending
on
the
nature
of
the
question
of
it's
a
question,
we
have
to
do
some
digging
it'll
take
a
little
more
time,
but
if
it's,
when
we
can
answer
right
away,
we'll
get
an
answer
right
away.
Okay,.
I
So
I've
gotten
with
the
program
recognizing
that
the
Internet
is
now
in
the
future,
particularly
tuned
in
to
seniors
who
may
not
have
that
and
they're
in
their
world
and
there
home,
and
so
I
would
suggest
that
you
have
another
layer
of
communicating
with
seniors
and
underserved
households
who
don't
have
computers
in
their
home.
We
have
children
with
homes
with
no
computers
and
use
that
as
an
additional
opportunity
to
make
sure
that
all
the
members
of
that
community
are
more
than
adequately
informed
about
what
what's
going
to
happen
on
the
26.
L
We
do,
we
do
actually
do
handout
flowers
as
well,
so
we
send
mailings.
We
handed,
we
had
person
canvassed
the
neighborhood
which
flyers
with
our
prior
notice,
which
we
actually
have
today
and
tomorrow,
a
recision
going
out
with
a
new
date,
but
I
understand
what
you're
saying.
We
need
to
make
sure
that.
However,
you
get
your
information,
we
connect
with.
I
I
L
I
I
It
would
behoove
you
to
just
maintain
a
list
of
those
concerns
being
raised
by
the
community
as
the
leadership
and
the
the
leadership
of
a
represented
Cephas
guide,
and
what
that
ultimately,
ultimate
CBA
looks
like
councilman
squirrels
spoke,
I,
think
quite
eloquently
as
as
to
the
yield
of
what
can
happens
when,
when,
when
you
keep
talking,
it's
just
important
to
always
always
always
always
always
keep
talking,
whether
you
end
up
there
or
not,
it's
important
to
keep
talking
absolutely
okay.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
and.
C
C
C
K
G
C
G
Some
stuff
going
on
on
my
Lord
motion:
I
apologize,
but
I
came
out
today,
because
I
heard
about
the
meeting.
I
was
informed
of
it
by
when
the
WIA
members
a
while
back
what
Pico
was
doing
in
the
neighborhood
and
I
went
to
give
my
support
for
changing
the
zoning
of
the
building.
I
understand
what
the
folks
are
saying,
mostly
from
Pico.
G
There
seem
to
be
some
contradictions
in
there,
but
basically
I
support
what
represent
what
councilman
Jones
is
advocating,
and
especially
the
piece
about
the
trades
I'm,
a
social
worker
by
profession
and
I
think
that
it's
imperative
that
we
work
with
the
young
people
they're
our
future.
Obviously
I
work
at
the
morgue,
the
medical
examiner's
office,
part-time
and
I,
see
the
young
black
men,
many
from
the
Winfield
West
Philadelphia
Overbrook
area,
who
are
coming
in
with
gunshot
wounds
primarily
with
gunshot
wounds.
G
G
He
had
a
goal.
He
set
a
goal
after
he'd
been
to
prison
for
selling
drugs,
had
a
goal
to
become
a
nurse,
and
he
said
that
he
never
knew
you
could
get
a
job
and
make
that
kind
of
money.
Well,
he
was
out
selling
drugs,
he
had
a
family,
he
wanted
to
support
and
he
didn't
want
selling
drugs.
So
this
value
an
awful
lot
of
value
in
job
preparation,
career
development
and
there's
a
need.
G
I,
understand,
I've,
been
reading
and
hearing
about
for
the
trades,
the
skill
trades
that
we
spent
so
much
time
in
the
country
preparing
folks
for
bachelor's
degrees
that
we
overlooked
the
trades
and
so
I
support
that
I
think
would
be
an
excellent
location
and
idea
to
implement
some
space.
Okay,
old
I
really
feel
like
the
old
ladies,
but
thank
you.
Thank
you
ma'am.
Thank
you.
K
I
represent
eight
organizations
in
over
forgiving,
on
the
other
side
that
that
bridge
and
none
of
the
organizations
that
I
represent,
have
been
notified
by
people
of
any
of
this
I
found
out
about
this
because
this
construction
they
wanted
to
do
through
our
newspaper
article
about
about
three
months
ago,
where
they
were
talking
about
the
fact
that
the
community
did
not
want
it
and
there
was
going
to
be
some
hearings.
I
talked
with
the
pastor's
organization
on
Overbrook
side.
I
spoke
with.
This
is
a
few
of
the
city
seeds
and
a
few.
K
K
The
representative
Pico
spoke
about
the
distance
of
the
of
this
dis
plant
and
I
was
sitting
there
listening
when
you
said
it
75
feet
from
the
near
his
home
and
that's
about
right.
It's
not
75
feet.
The
counselor
spoke
about
there
being
a
plant
in
his
area.
Please
poke
about
their
plant
being
a
half
a
mile
away.
I
know
no
effluent
neighborhood,
it
has.
It
has
any
type
of
electrical
plant,
there's
75
feet
from
a
home,
most
of
my
500
feet
and
most
from
any
home
the.
K
The
idea
that
there's
going
to
be
a
power
plant
in
that
area
and
I
mean
like
just
like
I'm
councilman
John
said:
what
are
they?
What
are
they?
You
talk
about
job
creation,
but
what
good
jobs
are
going
to
be
created,
but
they're
talking
about
something
that
may
happen
if
some
corporation
comes
around
and
they
decide
they
want
to
build
something.
K
Unemployment
is
rampant
in
our
community,
and
everything
Peter
was
talking
about
is
maybes
possiblys
in
the
future.
I
believe
that
they
already
know
and
I
can't
say
that
this
gentleman
knows,
but
just
from
the
way
that
the
the
these
sites
are
set
up
in
other
areas,
I've
lived
in
Roxboro,
they
are
electric
plants
which
475
feet
of
any
house
in
Roxbury
or
Amanda
young.
They
have
distances
there,
they
put
them
in
the
middle
of
a
field
and
they
have
at
least
500
feet
to
any
house
and
I.
K
K
That's
gonna
affect
us.
It's
gonna
affect
everybody
that
lives
in
that
area.
I'm
not
gonna,
be
long
about
this.
I.
Just
think
that
a
lot
of
things
that
was
set
up
here,
I'm
very
concerned
about
I'm
very
concerned
about
the
fact
that
it
was
said
that
the
community
was
notified
and
yeah
that
side
of
the
community
was
notified.
We
were
never
told
anything.
G
G
I
was
concerned,
I
wondered
the
gentleman
in
the
brown
striped
suit
his
research,
the
gentleman
from
Pico
made
it
sound
like
it
was
just
one
article
that
talked
about
the
ADHD
and
the
stress
and
Alzheimer's,
and
all
he
had
a
whole
slew
of
negative
impacts
that
this
would
have
on
a
community
and
it
sounds
like
Pico
can
go
ahead
and
do
what
they
want
to
do
anyway.
Maybe
I'm
wrong,
but
it
didn't
sound
like
the
research
came
from
one
article
and
that
it
was
insignificant
by
any
means.
I
just
wanted
to
say
that.
C
F
D
C
D
D
Friends
at
Pico
we
have
the
community
that
we
are
sworn
to
represent
and
I
am
appreciative
of
the
issues
in
front
of
us.
What
we
will
do,
it's
my
understanding
at
it
by
consensus.
We
will
pass
this
out
of
committee
without
a
favorable
or
a
recommendation
or
a
suspension
of
rules,
which
means
it
passes,
but
it's
not
on
the
fast-track
we
want
to
give
Pico
and
the
community
30
days
to
get
together
and
talk
about
the
issues
try
to
resolve
them.
D
Try
to
come
up
with
a
community
benefits
agreement
that
satisfies
health
concerns
that
it
satisfies,
maybe
even
use
concerns
you
have
that
and
because
people
actually
care
about
the
development
of
the
city,
but
also
to
the
well-being
and
health
of
our
community.
So
this
gives
you
a
window
of
opportunity
to
handle
it.
What
we
want
you
to
know
is
that
nobody
is
too
big
to
be
stopped
and
yeah.
We
don't
want
to
go
to
court.
I,
don't
want
your
lawyers.
Fighting
mug
I,
don't
want
it.
D
I
paid
my
bill
yesterday
to
make
sure
that
I
didn't
get
cut
off.
So
we
don't
want
to
have
that
kind
of
contentious
relationship
with
an
important
stakeholder
in
the
city
of
Philadelphia,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
they
vote
for
me
and,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I'm
sworn
to
fight
for
their
interests
and
I
appreciate
my
colleagues,
belief
in
the
fact
that
we
would
not
act
irresponsibly
and
that
we
really
want
you
guys
to
figure
it
out.
So
with
that.
That
concludes
my
comments.