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From YouTube: Joint Committee on Streets & Services, Global Opportunities & Creative/Innovative Economy 12-2-2022
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The Joint Committees on Streets & Services and Global Opportunities and the Creative/Innovative Economy of the Council of the City of Philadelphia held a Public Hearing on Friday, December 2, 2022, at 10:00 AM to hear testimony on the following items:
220208
Resolution authorizing Council’s Committee on Streets and Services and Committee on Global Opportunities and the Creative/Innovative Economy to hold hearings on the Administration’s plan for public electric vehicle charging.
A
Morning,
everybody
thank
you
for
joining
today's
Committee
hearing
for
the
streets
and
services
committee,
as
well
as
Global
opportunities
and
creative
economy.
This
is
a
joint
public
hearing
of
the
committee
on
streets
and
services
and
the
committee
of
global
and
creative,
the
committee
of
global
opportunities
and
creative
Innovative
economy
regarding
resolution
number
220208
before
we
begin
I'd
like
to
recognize
Liz
Sweeney,
who
would
like
to
read
the
required
announcements
for
different
Pharmacy.
B
Currently
requires
that
the
following
announcement
be
made
at
the
beginning
of
every
remote
public
hearing
as
follows.
Due
to
the
current
Public
Health
Emergency
city
council
committees
are
currently
meeting
remotely,
we
are
using
Microsoft
teams
to
make
these
remote
hearings
possible
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instructions
for
how
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committees
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in
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hearing,
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News,
Inquirer
and
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intelligence
year
prior
to
the
hearings
and
can
also
be
found
on
phlcouncil.com.
B
Everyone
who
has
been
invited
to
the
meeting
to
testify
should
be
made
aware
that
this
public
hearing
is
being
recorded
because
the
hearing
is
public
participants
and
viewers
have
no
reasonable
expectation
of
privacy.
By
continuing
to
be
in
the
meeting,
you
are
consenting
to
being
recorded
additionally
prior
to
councilman
Thomas
recognizing
members
for
the
questions
or
comments
they
have
for
Witnesses.
B
A
C
B
A
Member
and
thank
you
Elizabeth,
a
quorum
of
the
committee
is
President
and
his
hearing
is
now
called
the
order
before
we
begin
to
read
the
resolution.
I
would
like
to
pass
it
to
the
co-chair
of
this
committee
council
member,
oh
to
lead
us
as
it
relates
to
this
committee
and
I
would
also
like
to
know
for
the
record
that
council
member
bass
is
present
as
well
too
councilman
bro.
D
D
Patterns
have
changed,
but
as
we're
coming
out
of
the
pandemic,
we
are
dealing
with
changes
in
the
economy.
Every
day
people
read
about,
for
example,
the
electric
vehicle
or
EV
cars
that
are
being
manufactured,
and
by
2030
it's
anticipated
that
one
out
of
four
vehicles
will
be
EV
and
by
2050
80
percent
of
the
vehicles
in
the
United
States
will
be
electric
vehicles.
D
Since
then
I
think
things
have
been
very
disrupted,
understandably
by
covid.
However,
at
this
point
in
time,
we
would
like
the
public
to
know,
and
we
would
like
to
know
exactly
what
we
are
doing
as
a
city
to
meet
this
change
and
demand
that
is
both
won
in
response
to
the
environment,
but
also
to
the
Practical
nature
of
charging
and
vehicles.
Thank
you
very
much,
foreign
with
that
I'll
ask
the
clerk
to
call
the
first
panel.
E
All
right
good
morning,
thank
you,
chairman
Thomas
and
chairman,
oh
and
members
of
the
Committees,
for
inviting
me
to
testify
today
on
resolution
220208.
My
name
is
Christopher
pacholski
I'm,
the
director
of
policy
and
strategic
initiatives
in
the
managing
director's
office
of
Transportation
infrastructure
and
sustainability,
also
known
as
Otis
Otis,
coordinates,
planning
and
decision
making
among
the
entities
that
manage
Local
transportation
and
utilities
infrastructure
and
directly
overseas
Department
of
streets,
water
and
office
sustainability
in
2017.
E
The
city
formed
the
electric
vehicle
or
EV
policy
task
force
to
encourage
the
use
of
EVS
within
the
city's
wider,
multimodal
Transportation
Network
in
2018.
The
EV
policy
task
force
released
a
final
report
which
issued
recommendations
to
promote
EV
use
in
Philadelphia
and
I.
Just
expect
it.
As
an
aside
thank
council
member,
oh
and
council
member
school,
they
participated
heavily
in
that
task
force.
They
were
on
the
task
force
and
they
helped
to
formulate
the
ultimate
recommendations
in
that
report.
E
Ev
technology
is
rapidly
evolving
and
the
ongoing
shift
from
petroleum
to
electricity
is
expected
to
accelerate.
Thus,
the
task
force
focused
on
addressing
the
challenges
of
meeting
the
growing
demand
for
charging,
while
distinguishing
it
separate
from
parking
challenges
which
impact
drivers
of
all
vehicle
types,
particularly
in
dense
neighborhoods
in
the
city.
With
this
point
in
mind,
the
task
force
advocated
for
pursuing
a
multi-faceted
approach
to
EV
charging
that
addresses
the
most
common
barriers
to
EV
use,
which
include
cost
convenience
and
awareness.
Among
other
recommendations.
E
A
successful
approach
to
long-term
sustainable
Transportation
should
seek
to
expand
all
Philadelphia's
access
to
Safe,
affordable
and
low
carbon
Transportation
EVS
are
a
key
component
of
achieving
that
goal.
The
work
of
the
EV
policy
task
force
demonstrated
that
there
is
a
broad
spectrum
of
potential
Partners
who've,
embraced
this
vision
and
already
playing
leadership
roles
and
reducing
carbon
emissions.
A
few
highlights,
since
2018
180,
new
EV,
ready
spaces
and
parking
garages
have
gone
through
the
zoning
process
since
2018..
E
In
addition
to
that,
250
250
new
EV
Chargers,
including
80
fast
Chargers,
have
been
installed
in
the
city
since
2018
and
those
are
those
are
publicly
accessible
charging
points.
So
250
new
EV
Chargers,
a
big
highlight
was
that
on
November
15
2021,
the
bipartisan
infrastructure
law
was
enacted
to
provide
funding
for
Federal
Aid
highway
safety,
Transit
and
other
purposes
included
in
the
bill
is
a
new
National,
Electric,
Vehicle
infrastructure
or
nevi
formula
program
that
provides
Pennsylvania
more
than
170
million
over
the
next
five
years
to
support
EV
infrastructure.
E
The
bill
also
set
aside
an
additional
2.5
billion
to
ensure
EV
charger
deployment,
meets
the
Biden
Harris
Administration
priorities,
including
Equity
commitments
for
increased
EV
charging
access
in
rural
underserved
and
overburdened
communities.
Usdot
will
award
funding
through
a
discretionary
grant
program.
The
timeline
for
that
is
not
yet
known,
but
Otis
will
explore
this
opportunity
when
the
nofo
or
notice
of
funding
opportunity
is
released.
E
In
2021,
the
office
of
sustainability
worked
with
the
Department
of
Fleet
Services
to
develop
the
municipal
clean
Fleet
plan,
which
provides
guidance
and
recommendations
on
how
the
city
can
transition
its
Fleet
to
electric
and
alternative
fuel
options.
The
plan
outline
goals
for
vehicle
procurement
Targets
in
2025
and
2030..
E
As
a
follow-up,
the
department
of
Fleet
Services
has
over
two
dozen
level
2
EV
Chargers,
so
those
are
Chargers
averaging
eight
hours
for
a
full
charge
at
various
Municipal
sites
to
support
the
electrification
of
the
municipal
Fleet.
Currently
Department
of
Fleet
Services
is
working
with
office,
sustainability
and
oit
to
Pilot
a
level
DC
level
3
fast
charger,
so
an
average
15
minutes
for
a
full
charge
at
a
fleet
shop
site.
If
this
pile
is
successful,
Department
of
Fleet
Services
will
install
install
these
level
three
fast
chargers
at
various
fueling
stations.
E
Lastly,
the
EV,
the
city,
will
hire
dedicated
staff
this
fiscal
year,
2023
to
oversee
the
public
EV
strategy.
We
look
forward
to
continuing
this
engagement
in
the
long
term,
with
local
organizations,
private
sectors,
public
utilities
and
city
council
and
philadelphians
at
large
on
how
to
make
EVS
work
in
the
city.
This
concludes
my
testimony.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
testify
and
your
interest
in
this
topic
and
I'd
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions
that
you
have
at
this
time.
D
C
Thank
you,
Mr
chair,
Chris,
real
quick
and
it
seems
like
there's
going
to
be
some
resources
there,
but
is
there
a
I
guess,
city-wide
plan
that
is
being
worked
on
where
we
could
make
sure
that
it's
good
they'll
be
electric
charging
accessibility
in
all
areas
of
the
city
that
we
are
putting
together
now
I
know
you
mentioned
that
there'll
be
in
chart
in
some
of
the
fueling
stations
if
this
is
pilot
successful.
But
what
is
the
overall
Global
plan
for
the
city,
yeah.
E
We've
started
to
look
at
this
question
and
I
think
there's
probably
two
aspects
here:
there's
the
current
I
think
this.
This
really
is
driven
by
the
funding
sources,
the
penn.neti
plan,
the
first
part
of
the
of
PennDOT's
nevy
plan.
So
the
way
it
worked
in
order
to
access
this
bill
money,
each
state
needed
to
submit
a
plan
to
dot
in
order
to
access
these
nevi
funds.
So
PennDOT
submitted
its
nevy
plan
over
the
summer
and
it
was
approved
by
the
feds.
E
E
E
You
know
strategy
that
the
task
force
came
out
with
to
put
it
in
black
and
white.
There
have
been
some
internal
technical
exercises,
mapping
exercises
seeing
you
know,
seeing
you
know
what
possibilities
are
for
charging
at
Community
sites
and
and
I
think
we've
been
having
some
good
brainstorming
about
what
makes
a
good
site.
You
know
some
of
it's
on
city-owned
property
like
rec
centers,
you
know,
so
those
would
be
projects
that
the
city
might
you
know
either
do
or
look
for
a
concession
to
do.
E
Other
opportunities
are
are
really
trying
to
enable
the
private
sector
or
other
public
sector
actors
who
have
you
know
parking
lots
to
install
charging
on
their
sites
and
trying
to
get
the
money
to
them,
even
if
it
doesn't
necessarily
go
through
the
funding.
So
whether
those
are
big
box
stores,
Grocery
Stores,
you
know
even
like
something
like
nail
salon,
so
really
thinking
about
where,
where
do
philadelphians
drive
and
are
going
to
be
leaving
their
car
for
some
period
of
time,
you
know
to
get
some
charge.
E
You
know
on
a
level
two
or
even
a
level,
three
charger
I.
You
know
and
trying
to
encourage
that
I.
Don't
think
we're
quite
to
the
point
yet,
where
there's
really
what
I'll
call
a
gas
station
model.
Yet
you
know
we're
we're.
You
know
the
where
the
economics
pencil
out,
you
know,
Wawa.
You
know
some
of
those
I
think
80
I
cited
80
DC
fast
Chargers.
Some
of
those
were
installed
by
Wawa
up
in
the
Northeast.
E
E
E
And
I
I
think
that
will
really
help
having
dedicated
staff
to
work
on
the
parking
now.
Sustainability
and
Fleet
Services
and
oit
they've
done
a
tremendous
job
of
trying
to
get
the
municipal
Fleet
plan
together
and
there's
some
overlap.
But
I
think
we
do
need
dedicated
staff
to
specifically
be
working
on
the
public
side.
C
D
D
I
believe
and
I
can't
recall,
because
it's
been
a
couple
years
now
that
I
I
think
I
did
introduce
a
bill
or
I
drafted
a
bill
and
sent
it
over
to
the
some
of
the
parking
folks
about
incentivizing
the
installation
of
EV
charging
based
on
a
reduction
of
the
parking
tax.
If
they
would
put
that
in,
we
would
reduce
the
parking
tax
and
I,
quite
frankly,
have
not
heard
back
on
that.
E
It's
my
sense,
I
that
the
it
that
and-
and
maybe
some
of
the
later
folks
to
testify,
could
say
more
about
this-
who
have
got
more
expertise,
but
that
you
know
right
now.
I,
if
you
own
a
gas
station,
you
know
you're
generally
not
making
a
fortune
off
of
selling
the
gas,
but
you
get
something
off
of
it.
And
then
you
know
the
you
know
the
soft
drinks
and
the
donuts
or
whatever
else
kind
of
pay
the
rest
of
the
bills
when
people
go
into
pay.
E
It's
my
sense
that
selling
kilowatt
hours
for
public
for
for
EV
charging
is
is
not
even
as
remunerative
as
the
gases
today.
So
I
I
think
there
is
the
you
know
we
have
to
look
carefully
about.
You
know
the
need
for
ongoing
public
sector
support
to
essentially
be
helping
to
fund.
You
know
people
fueling
their
vehicle,
so
I.
D
As
as
I
recall,
we
had
an
issue
because
electricity
is
a
public
utility
service
and
we
or
the
private
sector
cannot
start
charging
for
electricity.
But
but
I
was
not
clear
on
like
the
fact
that
they're
not
charging
for
the
electricity
they're
they're
they're
they're
charging
for
the
use
of
the
charger.
Does
that
make
sense.
E
Yes,
it
does
and
I
think
Pico
could
probably
they
know
the
details
of
the
rules
more
than
than
I
do
but
yeah.
That
was
my
sense.
Also
council,
member
that
there
was
a
way
to
charge
people
some
fee
for
hooking
up
to
the
charger,
but
that
you
know
the
economics
still
might
not
be
there.
If
people
are
actually
willing
to
pay.
You
know
the
costs
that
cover
the
maintenance
and
the
electrons,
but
I
I.
There.
E
I
will
say,
though,
that
there
was
a
bill
in
Harrisburg
that
you
know
we
were
generally
supportive
of
that
would
allow
Pico
to
take
a
larger
role.
You
know
I
think
there
are
concerns
about
the
race
base,
but
I
think
there's
probably
some
reasonable
amount
that
would
allow
Pico
to
really
invest
in
in
some
of
the
EV
struck,
EV
infrastructure
that
they're
not
legally
currently
able
to
so
that.
This
is
something
that
you
know
in
the
right
format.
E
E
No
I
I've
not
heard
anything.
So
if
there
is
movement
there
I've
not
heard
it,
but
I
will
say
that
one
of
the
concerns
is
the
reduction
in
revenue
from
the
gas
tax
that
supports
the
infrastructure.
So
if
I'm
charging
my
vehicle
I
have
all
the
same
impacts
on
the
roadway
on
Bridges
Etc
as
a
gas
powered
car
and
I,
don't
pay
I,
don't
pay
nearly
you
know
as
much
so
as
part
of
larger
funding
conversations
in
Harrisburg
about
trying
to
address
the
shortfall
at
both
PennDOT
and
our
our
Commonwealth's
Transit
Agency.
E
There
has
been
the
talk
of
some
like
reasonable
search
charge
on
registration
so
that
EV
owners
will
pay
their
fair
share
of
you
know
the
infrastructure
costs
of
supporting
their
Mobility,
so
I,
don't
think
that
passed
this
term,
but
I
think
that'll
keep
coming
up
and
you
know
I,
don't
think
we
want
to
penalize
any
EV
owners.
Certainly,
for
you
know
trying
to
do
the
right
thing.
You
know
at
the
same
time
we
all
have
to
pay
our
fair
share.
So
that'll
be
an
ongoing
topic
of
discussion.
Discussion
going
forward.
D
Thank
you,
I
know.
We
have
the
parking
authority
in
one
of
our
panels,
but
I'd
like
to
ask
you
we
we
were
talking
when
we
were
having
this
discussion
about
short-term
parking
like
places
around
the
city
where
you
could
not
stay
there
for
a
long
time,
but
you
could
stay
there.
You
know
for
a
limited
time
and
also
charge
your
electric
vehicle.
E
Yeah
I
I
I'll
be
I'll,
be
honest,
they're
they're,
you
know,
I
think
what
you're
talking
about
is
is
probably
works
itself
out
in
the
form
of
some
type
of
concession.
Where
you
know
you
know
a
company
that
provides
charging
Services
is
able
to
install
Chargers.
You
know
along
the
public
right
away
that
that
residents
or
visitors
could
then
access
through
some
type
of
program.
E
We
haven't
made
a
lot
of
progress
on
that
over
the
last
few
years
between
the
pandemic
and
the
rapidly
changing
structure.
I
I
hope,
though,
that
in
the
next
year
as
we
as
I,
talked
to
council
member
squillo,
we
redo
our
our
that
2018
task
force
plan
and,
as
we
hire
dedicated
staff,
that's
something
we
could
take
another
look
at.
We
just
will
have
to
be
Eyes
Wide
Open
about
you
know
any
on
the
need
for
ongoing
o
m
support
for
such
an
Endeavor,
though.
D
You
know
because
because
when
people
ask
me
about
like
the
tractor
trailers,
like
legitimately
where,
if
it's
not
a
residential
neighborhood,
you
know
where
the
where
do
tractor
trailers
go
industrial,
commercial
things
like
that.
However,
there
is
technology
whereby-
and
it's
currently
used
it's
just-
we
don't
use
it
here
in
Philadelphia,
I'm,
not
sure
we
use
in
Pennsylvania.
Maybe
we
do
that
a
tractor
trailer
coming
from
Pennsylvania.
D
You
know
they
need
a
place
to
park
and
so
there's
an
industrial
place
where
someone's
already
paid
for
that
tractor-trailer
parking,
but
they
have
an
app
and
it
makes
the
place
available.
They
pay
like
a
rental
fee
to
park
their
vehicle
there
and,
and
it
seems
that
technology
can
be
used
to
alleviate
a
lot
of
parking
congestion
throughout
the
city
whereby,
for
example,
a
a
supermarket
parking
lot
that
from
like
I,
don't
know,
eight
o'clock
or
nine
o'clock
at
night
till
six
o'clock
in
the
morning
has
designated
spaces
available
to
alleviate.
D
You
know
the
the
the
putting
commercial
vehicles
in
places
where
it
really
shouldn't
be,
but
everything
is
transacted
over
the
app
you
you
pay
for
it.
You
park
there,
you
don't
stay
longer
than
you
need
to,
or
you
get
a
big
fee.
Those
parking
spaces
can
also
be
EV
charging
spaces.
Incentivizing
like
the
supermarket
big
parking
lot,
that's
got
to
pay
the
water
tax
and
all
that
runoff
tax.
To
do
that
is
that
something
that
your
office
is
looking
at.
Does
that
work
into
this
plan?
Somehow
yeah.
E
I
I
think
it
I
think
this
is
an
idea,
that's
worth
pursuing
I.
This
came
up
a
few
years
ago
and
probably
with
like
a
lot
of
things,
it
got
knocked
out
of.
You
know
the
the
the
the
to-do
list
by
the
pandemic,
but
it's
probably
worth
circling
back
to
this
idea,
and
this
goes
to
I.
I
think
this
is
larger
parking
issues
than
just
EV
that
come
up.
You
know
what
what
when
we
had
looked
into
it,
you
know
before
the
pandemic,
there
were
insurance
and
Zoning
issues.
E
D
Okay,
fantastic.
Finally,
there
there
are
issues
about
lithium
and
the
amount
of
lithium
that
may
be
needed
to
to
basically
have
a
battery
power.
That
is
long
lasting
and
there
is
technology
to
basically
create
lithium-like,
prop
properties
and,
and-
and
you
know
where
we
are
as
a
nation-
regarding
the
fact
that
we
need
all
this
basically
ability
to
have
long,
standing
or
long
charging.
Batteries.
E
Yeah,
this
is
an
important
issue
and
I'm
I
will
say:
council
member
I'm,
not
a
subject
matter
expert,
so
I
will
try
not
to
go
beyond
my
expertise
in
answering
your
question.
I
will
say
a
few
things
that
I
do
know,
though
there
are,
when
we've
been
looking
at
all
the
funding
pots
in
the
bill.
You
know
we
looked
at
them
to
see
which
ones
we
could
apply
for,
and
you
know
among
the
numbers
that
really
weren't
suited
for
us,
but
we're
more
for
industry
was
significant
funds
to
go
to
battery
research.
E
So
this
is
something
where
you
know.
The
country
as
a
whole
is
with
the
bipartisan
infrastructure
of
all
is
putting
significant.
You
know,
resources
you
know,
and
if
you
look
at
the
the
the
you
know
how
it
there's
that
old
cartoon,
you
know
how
a
bill
becomes.
A
law
there's
there's
the
same
kind
of
progression.
How
an
idea
becomes
a
product
in
the
marketplace.
Through
you
know,
technology
levels
and
when
I
looked
at
those
funding
pots,
the
federal
government
is
investing
at
numerous
points
along
the
technology.
E
You
know
research
development
deployment
ladder
to
to
get.
You
know
new
battery
technologies
out
I.
Think
it's
a
significant
area
concern.
You
know
mostly
it's
not
a
local
issue
and
we
don't
have
a
lot
in
it,
but
I
think
where
it
does
become
relevant.
There's
not
only
the
issue
you
just
mentioned,
but
there's
several
other
issues
with
EVS.
You
know
EVS
still
take
up
space.
E
You
know
they're
a
car,
they
generate
just
as
much
congestion
and
that's
why,
in
our
general
transportation
strategy
connect
you
know,
we
think
that
part
of
the
part
part
of
the
solution
is,
you
know,
investing
in
transit,
walking
and
biking.
Also,
you
know,
EVS
EVS
will
not
solve
all
of
our
problems.
They're
they're
they're.
E
They
are
an
important
and
critical
part
of
the
solution,
but
they're
not
the
whole
solution,
and
we
have
to
have
you
know
a
really
multimodal
City,
where
people
have
options,
something
like
a
third
of
Philadelphia
households
don't
have
resident
to
any
residents.
Don't
have
access
to
any
car
on
something
like
42
percent
of
African-American
households
don't
have
access
to
a
car.
So
that's
why
making
Transit
walking
and
biking
safe,
reliable,
convenient,
affordable
are
also
part
of
the
strategy.
D
All
right,
thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
for
answering
all
those
questions.
I
I
will
ask
the
committee
members
and
the
chair.
If
anyone
has
any
questions,
if
not
we'll
move
on
to
the
second
panel,
but
if
you
have
questions
please
let
me
know
all
right
looks
like
we
don't.
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you.
Thank
you
all
right
Clark.
Would
you.
G
C
Just
wanted
to
add
one
other
thing
on
that.
We
also
looked
at
the
building
code
right
so
that
new
construction
of
garages
would
incorporate
accessible
instead
of
having
garages
parking
garages
when
we
build
them.
Make
sure
that
there's
EV
accessibility
to
that
too
is.
Is
there
something
else
that
you
think
we
could
do
moving
forward
to
any
new
development,
because
this
is
going
to
go
over
time
and
be
more
and
more
useful
right?
C
E
E
But
but
when
we
looked
at
our
when
we
looked
at
the
percentage
of
spaces
that
were
and
I
think
it's
it's
it
it's
a
little
bit
funny,
but
I
think
it's
around
five
percent
is
the
requirement
of
five
percent
of
spaces.
New
spaces
be
EV
ready,
not
even
have
EV
charging
just
have
the
conduit,
so
they're
EV
ready.
E
C
It
also
I
think
with
the
by
incentivizing
it
we
could
have
access
to
resources
for
these
developers.
Also
to
do
that
as
we
build
there's,
probably
a
way.
We
could
do
that,
and
maybe
we
could
do
that
with
planning
and
maybe
if
this
new
hire
person
is
involved
in
that
it
could
be
part
of
their
agenda
to
discuss
yeah.
D
D
H
We
offer
reduced
demand
charges
for
operators
of
EV
fast
charging
equipment,
incentivizing
charging
station
deployment,
which
has
been
a
great
success
story.
Over
the
last
several
years.
We
support
customers
exploring
EV
options
with
technical
assistance
through
subject
matter.
Experts
who
specialize
in
the
installation
of
these
projects-
and
we
are
currently
working
with
the
fleet
Department
to
do
analysis
on
their
Depots
and
determine
where
there
is
existing
excess
capacity
that
would
allow
for
the
most
affordable
upgrades.
H
Give
me
a
moment
to
flip
my
page.
We
collaborate
with
PennDOT
the
city
and
local
municipalities,
the
DVR
PC
and
other
Regional
stakeholders
on
EV
planning
and
implementation
of
the
nevi
program,
which
you
heard
a
great
deal
about
from
Chris,
and
we.
This
is
not
something
that
is
going
to
make
the
difference
in
whether
someone
chooses
an
EV
or
not,
but
we
offer
50
rebates
to
customers
who
register
their
EVS
with
us.
H
What
that
enables
us
to
do
is
track
EV
penetration
on
our
local
distribution
grid,
to
identify
where
there
might
be
potential
future
capacity
issues.
The
good
news
is,
we
have
not
identified
any
to
date
and
we
really
don't
anticipate
any
in
the
foreseeable
future.
As
the
number
of
our
customers
choosing
to
drive
electric
continues
to
grow
dramatically
and
that's
been
growing
at
a
rate
of
30
to
40
percent
per
year.
H
We
continually
evaluate
our
options
to
support
EV
adoption,
with
a
particular
focus
on
assisting
underserved
communities
and
while
individuals
in
single
family
detached
homes
can
usually
meet
most
of
their
charging
needs
at
home.
Those
who
live
in
densely
populated
urban
areas,
like
so
much
of
Philadelphia,
often
don't
have
that
option.
In
2017
and
2018,
we
were
pleased
to
participate
in
the
city's
EV
policy
task
force
to
explore
options
for
providing
sustainable
charging
access
solutions
for
Citizens
choosing
EVS
those
task
forces.
H
Force
discussions
produced
a
broad
range
of
perspectives
on
the
future
of
EV
charging
in
the
city
and,
as
you
know,
Chris
and
others
have
noted.
Unfortunately,
the
pandemic
did
disrupt
efforts
to
move
forward
with
some
of
those
potential
Solutions,
but
developing
We
Believe.
Developing
these
options
will
also
require
the
coordination
of
multiple
agencies,
so
very
pleased
to
hear
that
the
city
is
bringing
on
a
coordinator
for
that
role,
as
well
as
working
directly
with
communities
throughout
the
city
to
identify
solutions
that
are
seen
as
Community
amenities
and
not
special
individual
Privileges
and
I.
H
While
the
challenges
of
providing
access
to
EV
charging
in
the
city
are
significant,
we
believe
they
can
be
addressed
and,
as
you
seek
to
move
forward,
we
are
pleased
to
offer
a
few
Solutions
or
suggestions
number
one.
We
would
explore
opportunities
to
take
advantage
of
that
2.5
billion
dollars
in
competitive
Federal
grant
funding
for
underserved
communities.
This
program
funded
under
the
bipartisan
infrastructure
law,
should
open
for
applications
next
year
and
it
will
cover
80
percent
of
the
cost
of
installing
new
public
EV
charging
infrastructure.
H
We'd
also
note
that
the
inflation
reduction
act
will
provide
additional
funding
opportunities
for
community-based,
clean
energy
solutions
which
can
include
EV
charging
access.
You
know,
based
on
our
understanding,
while
the
some
of
those
final
rules
are
still
being
written
that
were
clearly
intended
to
make
public
Eva
charging
access
part
of
those
Solutions
work
with
local
institutions
and
businesses
to
incentivize
EV
Fleet
conversions.
H
Our
Public
Utility
Commission
has
been
very
supportive
of
pilot
programs
that
have
allowed
us
to
really
explore
what
is
most
beneficial
for
our
customers.
We
do
have
a
level
two
public
charging
incentive
or
I'm
sorry
commercial
custom,
more
charging
incentive.
We
were,
we
got
approved,
half
a
million
dollars
for
those
incentives
in
our
most
recent
rate
case.
That
was
the
good
news.
H
Finally,
we're
still
in
the
in
early
stages
of
this,
a
historic
transition
to
electrifying
our
transportation
system,
incentives
providing
through
the
be
the
bipartisan
infrastructure
on
the
IRA.
We
anticipate,
will
substantially
accelerate
this
transformation
and
we
are
gearing
up
our
internal
operations
to
be
able
to
increase
our
customer
assistance
and
the
tools
we
offer
to
customers
who
are
interested
in
moving
forward
in
this
area
area.
Providing
the
benefits
of
EVS
to
all
communities
in
the
city
will
will
require
proactive
planning
and
Community
engagement.
H
H
There
were
a
couple
questions
that
came
up
in
in
Chris's
discussion
that
hopefully
I
can
provide
a
little
more
information
on
so
I'm
going
to
go
off
script
here
in
terms
of
the
status
of
legislation
at
the
state
level
three
years
ago,
that
legislation
to
authorize
utilities
to
develop
EV
charging
programs
and
file
with
the
Public
Utility
Commission
and
recover
those
costs
for
infrastructure,
cost,
sharing
and
incentives.
It
passed
the
Pennsylvania
Senate,
overwhelmingly
43-6.
H
We
ran
into
some
roadblocks
in
the
Pennsylvania
house
and
then
the
pandemic
came
along
and
kind
of
you
know,
wiped
the
Slate
clean
efforts
to
consider
that
legislation
again
stalled
out
in
this
most
LED
recent
legislative
session.
But
we
are
hearing
increasing
interest
and
understanding
that
something
really
needs
to
be
done,
particularly
to
work
hand
in
glove
with
the
nevi
program
and
the
competitive
Community
Grant.
So
we
expect
a
coalition
to
be
continuing
to
work
on
that
legislation
this
year.
H
What
is
needed
are
interim
uses
where
there's
still
about
70
percent
of
the
energy
storage
capability
in
an
EV
battery
once
it
is
probably
no
longer
suitable
for
driving
a
vehicle,
but
it
can
serve
as
backup
storage
for
any
number
of
applications,
and
then,
in
the
long
run,
once
you
reach
economies
of
scale,
there
will
be
a
recycling
Market
to
start
up
and
and
will
ultimately
become
a
very
important
and
lucrative
Market.
But
those
are
large
High
Capital
facilities
and
you
need
to
get
to
economies
of
scale
before
they
really
make
sense
to
operate.
H
Last
thing,
I
know,
there's
a
perception
that
EVS
are
a
really
a
luxury
good,
something
that
can't
serve
the
low
and
middle
income
Market.
We
believe
in
terms
of
fuel
savings
and
maintenance
savings
as
well
as
reliability,
quality.
They
can
be
great
vehicles
for
the
low
and
middle
income
Market.
The
industry
has
been
somewhat
of
a
victim
of
its
own
success
in
that
those
first
generation
cars,
the
Chevy
volts,
the
Nissan
Leafs
have
long
outlived
their
expected
lifespan
and
batteries
are
exceeding
anyone's
expectations.
H
We
do
expect
that
secondary
Market
to
start
soon,
especially
with
the
forty
five
hundred
dollar
federal
tax
credit
that
was
passed
as
part
of
the
IRA,
and
you
know
we
think,
there's
great
benefits
for
not
only
individuals
but
businesses
that
rely
on
customers
have
or
their
employees,
having
reliable
transportation
to
getting
EV
charging
access
Solutions
out
to
all
communities
so
that
lower
income
families
can
start
to
enjoy
some
of
the
benefits
of
EVS
as
well.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
the
opportunity
to
testify
and
I'm
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
D
D
D
Let
me
ask
you,
in
terms
of
the
the
technicians
and
I'm,
actually
thinking
about
schools,
high
schools,
Career
technical
schools,
community
colleges,
things
like
that
it
is
Pico
or
anyone
that
you
know
of
kind
of
involved
in
like
the
process
of
preparing
the
workforce
that
is
necessary
to
to
maintain-
and
you
know,
provide
the
care
that
these
vehicles
and
and
related
items
you
know
the
charging
stations
and
all
that
is
that
being
adequately
done.
In
your
opinion,
we.
H
Have
about
three
separate
programs
that
we
are
where
we're
partnering
with
with
the
Philadelphia
Energy
Authority
with
the
Philadelphia
OIC,
and
you
know
other
organizations
for
doing
that
type
of
Workforce
training
and
education.
I've
done
numerous
events
with
schools
with
stem
programs
and
one
things
I
tell
them.
You
don't
have
to
just
be
an
auto
mechanic
to
have
a
future
role
in
EVS.
As
you
know,
we
heard
from
Christopher
in
the
earlier
discussion.
H
You
know
if
you
are
interested
in
studying
chemistry,
you
have
as
probably
a
bigger
role
in
the
future
as
somebody
who
is
interested
in
studying
the
electrical
side,
we're
also
working
with
the
Electoral
Association
of
Philadelphia.
They
are
developing
and
have
developed
a
a
certification
program,
for
you
know
small
electricians
to
learn
what
it
takes
to
install
and
service
electric
vehicle
charging
equipment.
This
is
something
we
anticipate
only
to
increase
in
the
future.
We
have
some
up
some
ideas
that
we'll
be
revealing
in
the
very
near
future.
H
I
can't
quite
talk
about
now,
but
yes,
this
is
very
much
in
our
thinking
and
you
know,
as
I'm
sure
you
know
from
our
CEO
Mike
innocenzo.
You
know,
Mike
will
speak
very
eloquently
about.
We
need
to
bring
these
opportunities
of
the
clean
energy
economy
down
to
our
most
local
level
and
make
sure
all
communities
can
benefit
from
them.
D
H
I
I
can't
like
like
Chris
I,
can't
speak
with
expertise
on
that
issue.
What
I
know
is
there
are
Global
efforts
to
both
Source
more
lithium,
especially
outside
of
the
the
People's
Republic
of
China
dominated
Supply
chains,
as
well
as
identify
alternative
battery
chemistries
that
can
either
reduce
or
eliminate
through
substitutions
other
type
of
lithium-like
products.
Again,
that's
why
I
was
saying
that
if
you
are
interested
in
chemistry,
there
is
a
lifetime
of
employment
ahead
of
you.
F
Hi,
my
name
is
Meredith
nutting
I
was
inspired.
I
was
invited
to
speak
today
after
participating
in
the
grid
magazine
September
2022
article
about
electric
electric
vehicle
ownership
in
Philadelphia,
so
I'm
here
today,
just
to
speak
on
my
own
personal
experience
of
owning
an
electric
vehicle
in
the
city,
I
also
walk
bike
and
use
public
transit.
F
I
think
that
cities
like
Philadelphia
can
be
ideal
places
for
electric
vehicles.
The
smaller
distances
that
you're
traveling,
the
frequency
of
which
you're
driving
and
able
to
like
Park
and
charge,
make
it
an
obvious
choice.
Even
with
my
hybrid
EV
battery.
With
a
range
of
only
17
miles,
I
would
be
able
to
do
most
of
my
driving
on
electric
battery
purely
because
and
because
I
have
solar
panels
on
my
house.
Those
electric
powered
miles
would
be
mostly
fossil
fuel
free.
F
However,
the
closest
charging
station
to
me
is
about
three
blocks
away
and
I
would
have
to
go
there
charge
my
car
for
a
few
hours
and
then
move
it
to
find
street
parking
and
I.
Don't
know
how
that
charging
station
is
sourced
sources
its
power
and
also
I
would
have
to
pay
for
it.
Additionally
to
my
own
power,
so
I
rarely
use
it.
F
But
even
that
is
not
an
option
for
the
way
that
my
house
is
situated.
More
publicly
accessible,
Chargers
associated
with
street
parking
would
be
ideal.
It
would
be.
One
option
is
yes
to
go
to
a
place
and
charge
your
car,
but
the
most
of
the
parking
in
my
neighborhood
is
street
parking,
even
if
you're
going
to
a
store
and
having
Chargers
that
are
associated
with
that
street
parking
would
be.
Amazing.
F
I've
worked
with
groups
around
the
city
who
are
concerned
with
air
quality
caused
by
fossil
fuel
refineries
and
with
the
impacts
of
climate
change.
Increasing
the
amount
of
EVS
in
the
city
is
an
important
facet
of
addressing
both
of
these
issues
and
I'm
really
excited
that.
Philadelphia
is
taking
this
on
to
support
the
infrastructure
and
make
it
possible
for
everyone
who
wants
to
participate
in
owning
an
electric
vehicle
to
be
able
to.
Thank
you.
D
Thank
you
very
much.
Thank
you
for
sharing
the
kind
of
the
reality
of
a
resident
dealing
with
this
situation
in
our
city.
We
deal
a
lot
with
Theory
we've.
It's
been
a
couple
of
years,
since
we've
heard
from
the
the
folks
on
the
street,
so
I
appreciate
the
the
update
with
what's
going
on,
I'll
ask
the
committee:
does
anyone
have
a
question
for
this
Witness.
D
I
D
Yes,
okay,
I
I
hear
the
voice
of
our
Deputy
executive
director.
Corrine
O'connor
is
Robert
Graf
available,
yes,
I'm
here
as
well.
Thank
you.
Okay,
I'm!
Go
going
in
the
order
that
is
on
my
sheet
here,
so
I'll
ask
Karen
O'connor
to
go
first
to
identify
herself
and
provide
us
with
your
testimony.
Thank
you.
I
Okay
good
morning,
my
name
is
Karina
O'connor
and
I'm.
The
deputy
executive
director
at
Philadelphia
Parking
Authority
I'd,
like
to
thank
the
members
of
the
committee
for
allowing
me
to
testify
today.
I
would
also
like
to
thank
councilman
o
for
introducing
this
resolution,
so
in
2013,
The
Authority
was
tasked
with
the
installment
of
signage
for
designated
electric
vehicle
spaces
throughout
the
city
of
Philadelphia.
I
The
spaces
were
installed
in
residential
areas
in
front
of
specific
houses
and
once
the
owner
of
residence
met
several
requirements
that
by
legislation
they
were
installed,
for
example,
the
owner
needed
to
have
a
certified
electrician,
install
the
charge
and
infrastructure,
along
with
provide
Improvement
ownership
of
an
electric
vehicle,
2018
67
spaces,
assisted
throughout
the
city
of
Philadelphia.
For
this
specific
use,
and
as
of
2022,
there
are
currently
42
spaces.
I
If
there
are,
we
currently
receives
around
two
to
three
requests
per
year
for
these
spaces,
in
which
you
must
turn
down
the
request:
the
moratorium
placed
by
cancer
Zone
and
reduction
of
spaces
in
the
past
few
years,
which
would
be
a
result
of
residents
either
moving
or
low
no
longer
owning
electric
vehicles.
The
Authority
continues
to
monitor
spaces
that
are
installed
and
look
forward
to
working
with
our
partners
in
the
future
on
any
decisions
made
by
by
the
city
pertaining
to
this
program,
our
electric
vehicle
charging
stations
I'll
be
happy
to
answer
any
questions.
D
D
There
appears
not
to
be
any
questions.
I
do
have
a
question
in
terms
of
the
conversations
we
were
having
about
possibly
designating
certain
parking
spaces
throughout
the
city
as
short-term
EB
fast
charging
stations-
you
know
maybe
a
maximum
of
at
two
hour
or
something
like
that,
and
you
know
just
so
they
could
get
the
turnover
one
hour
if
it's
a
15
minute.
You
know,
we
know
you
got
a
park
and
then
it's
not
just
a
charge,
or
maybe
it's
just
a
charge,
but
I
don't
know
are.
I
So
any
one
straight
curbside
parking
the
regulations
that
are
designated
by
city
council,
so
city
council
comes
along
and
does
a
ordinance
for
State
someone.
Every
10
blocks
will
be
a
public
charging
station
then
and
decide
that
we
would
be
designated
probably
to
install
that
signage.
Maybe
the
city
would
come
in
and
put
in
the
infrastructure
and
then
we
could
Patrol
it
and
make
sure
that
there's
turnover,
but
it's
not
on
the
authority
to
create
that
regulation.
Normally
regulations
are
created
and
then
we
go
in
basically
enforce
that
regulation.
D
G
Good
morning
councilman,
my
name
is
Robert
Graf
I
until
about
a
year
ago
led
the
office
of
energy
and
climate
change
initiatives
at
the
Delaware
Valley
Regional
Planning
Commission.
While
I
was
there,
as
you
may
recall,
I
had
the
pleasure
and
honor
of
serving
on
the
EV
policy
task
force.
I
now
serve
as
a
senior
technical
advisor
for
Rocky
Mountain
Institute
and
the
North
American
Council
for
Freight
efficiency
on
electric
vehicle
charging
issues
from
the
smallest
vehicles
to
class
eight
trucks.
G
I
actually
was
viewing
the
Tesla
release
of
the
semi
last
night
in
our
executive
director
from
Knack
from
the
North
American
Council
for
free
deficiency
was
there
I
also
serve
as
a
transportation.
Subject
matter
expert
for
energetics
a
clean
energy
consulting
firm
based
in
Columbia
Maryland,
which
just
so
you
know,
has
also
I've
met
with
commissioner
Rosati
of
the
a
fleet
department
and
we
presented
him
as
energetics.
G
A
proposal
to
assist
in
the
electrification
of
the
Philadelphia
Fleet
I
also
was
interviewed
for
the
grid
magazine
article
that
Meredith
spoke
about
and
for
a
recent
article
in
the
Philadelphia
Inquirer
about
this
I
haven't
actually
prepared
formal
testimony.
I
was
just
notified
of
this
a
few
days
ago,
but
I
wanted
to
bring
my
expertise
and
knowledge
to
the
city
and
offer
it
moving
forward.
G
For
instance,
right
now,
I'm
in
the
midst
of
completing
a
document
called
planning,
zoning
and
permitting
guidance
for
electric
vehicle
charger
deployment,
which
is
being
jointly
done
by
Rocky
Mountain
Institute
and
the
Interstate
Council
on
renewable
energy,
our
Iraq
Interstate,
Regional,
energy,
Council,
I,
think,
yes,
I,
and
in
that
capacity
we've
been
looking
at
a
lot
of
these
very
same
issues
that
you've
been
discussing.
I.
G
Think
one
thing
to
recall
is
that
we're
going
through
a
tremendously
profound
transformation
in
a
very
short
period
of
time,
trying
to
move
from
the
petroleum-based
internal
combustion
based
Transportation
economy
to
a
2-8
electric
vehicle
economy.
The
use
of
the
vehicles
is
essentially
the
same
while
they're
operating.
G
However,
the
fueling
of
the
vehicles
is
really
where
the
challenge
comes
in
and
as
I
think.
We
all
noted
in
the
work
we
did
in
the
electric
vehicle
policy
task
force
is
primarily
a
parking
issue,
and
you
know,
as
Meredith
noted
it's
desirable
by
most
people
to
be
able
to
park.
Very
charge,
while
they
Park
and
prefer
not
to
not
to
walk.
G
If
she
had
noted
three
blocks
as
a
is
a
distance
that
she
would
prefer
not
to
walk
to
charge
a
vehicle,
and
that's
that's
a
very
high
bar
to
try
to
meet
I
think.
It's
also
important
to
remember
that
there
are
many
other
ways
to
to
have.
Electric
vehicles
reduce
emissions
other
than
in
the
private
automobile.
There
are
heavy
duty,
Vehicles
all
the
delivery
vehicles.
The
buses
in
the
city
emit
far
more
than
the
than
cars
there's.
G
Also
opportunities
that
have
been
for
in
low-income
neighborhoods,
particularly
a
lot
of
the
drivers
of
ride-hail
vehicles,
are
low
income
and
live
in
low-income,
neighborhoods
RMI
Rocky
Mountain
Institute
did
some
work
in
California
in
the
bay
area,
trying
to
make
sure
that
there
was
charging
available
fast
charging
available
for
ride,
hail
drivers
who
put
a
lot
of
miles
on
their
vehicles.
They
put
you
know,
maybe
a
couple
hundred
miles
a
day
on
the
vehicles
and
to
move
those
electric
is
much
more
beneficial
to
the
city
as
a
whole.
G
The
community
as
a
whole,
then
reducing
you,
know,
15
20
miles
a
day
by
elect
so
I
think
we
have
to
concentrate
on
on
where
that,
where
the
elect,
where
the
Investments
are
made
to
reduce
emissions,
private
Vehicles
may
not
be
the
very
first
space
where
the
city
particularly,
would
want
to
invest.
It's
it's
it's
its
resources,
also
just
for
reference
well
back
up.
G
I,
it's
also
we
also
at
enter
when
I'm
at
energetics.
We
did
some
work
that
I,
don't
believe,
I'm,
not
sure
if
public
availability
for
the
city
of
Wilmington
Delaware,
which,
although
it's
a
smaller
City,
it's
a
very
densely,
packed
City,
very
low
income
City
and
has
very
little
off
street
parking
and
they've
done
some
excellent
work.
G
This
there's
really
three
pieces
of
this
they're
sort
of
off
street
parking
and
on-street
parking
right,
so
off
street
parking
is
something
that
I
believe
the
city
needs
to
work
on
permitting
and
encouraging,
but
in
my
view,
there's
very
little
role
for
the
city
to
play
in
actually
going
beyond
that.
That's
a
private
sector
kind
of
endeavor.
G
One
challenge
with
that,
however,
is
that
as
I
think
Congress
councilman
school
I
mentioned
earlier,
the
it's
I
the
market
itself
will
will
not
it's
we'll
select
the
most
profitable
locations
for
those
Chargers
which
may
be
different
than
the
ones
that
serve
the
community
as
a
whole.
Best
RMI
is
working
on
a
a
project.
We
are
hoping
to
get
funded.
G
G
So
sorry
regarding
public
tracking
of
the
austrate,
the
and
the
on
street
right
so
in
the
on
street.
There's
sort
of
there's
two
issues,
and
let
me
just
if
you
don't
if
you'll
bear
with
me.
I
can
read
about
a
a
page
from
this
draft
document
that
I've
that
I'm,
in
the
midst
of
putting
together
on
on
street
parking,
which
is
a
whole
section
which
is
not
yet
completed,
will
be
done
by
Monday.
G
We're
gonna
I'll
make
sure
the
city
gets
copy
of
this
when
it
when
it's
completed
and
approved,
but
the
beginning
of
next
year.
So
municipalities
need
to
consider
two
primary
on-street
parking
use
cases
in
commercial
districts
with
limited
off-street
parking
daytime
visitors
may
wish
to
charge
in
residential
areas
with
limited
off-street
parking
residents
may
wish
to
charge
on
Street
overnight
in
the
commercial
areas
where
demand
for
on-street
charging
is
likely
to
be
greatest
in
the
more
developed
commercial
areas,
multiple
authorities
typically
control,
curb
access
or
construction
on
public
property.
G
These
include
Public,
Works
streets,
water,
sewer
authorities,
utilities
and
Transit
agencies.
Furthermore,
on-street
charging
requires
close
coordination
among
authorities
within
departments
because
there
can
be
many
competing
uses
for
the
curb,
such
as
commercial
delivery
bike,
Lanes
Transit
stops
and
valet
parking.
In
addition,
there
may
be
multiple
buried
utilities,
water,
sewage,
electricity,
natural
gas,
communication
cables,
steam
pipes
and
so
forth.
Communicating
coordination
among
the
many
entities
can
raise
the
costs
of
this
type
of
installation
and
results
on
a
very
long
permitting
process.
G
These
challenges
have
slowed
the
installation
of
curbside
charging,
particularly
in
commercial
areas
of
larger
cities.
Other
issues
compound
the
challenge,
for
instance
cities.
What
may
want
the
cities
that
want
all
utility
infrastructure
to
be
underground
may
require
costly
trenching
to
provide
Power
for
the
charging
stations.
In
addition,
projects
may
be
faced
with
high
electrical
infrastructure
costs
that
cannot
be
covered
by
rate
based
or
rate
based
by
the
utility
on
Street
tractor
potentially
can
be
charged
at
a
lower
cost.
G
Sorry
on-street
charging
using
polls
existing
utility,
poles
and
street
light
poles
can
potentially
be
installed
in
a
lower
cost
and
comparable
ground
mounted
charging.
However,
there
was
a
recent
study.
That's
referenced
in
this
document
on
pole
mounted
electric
vehicle
charging
that
was
done
by
the
World
Resources
Institute
last
year
that
I
participated
in
indicates
that
they're
really
not
not
much
spare
electricity
from
Street
lighting
to
do
that.
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So
that's
not
necessarily
a
solution
and
then
regarding
residential
areas,
providing
on-street
parking
for
residents
without
dedicated
off-street
without
a
dedicated
off-street
location
to
park,
their
vehicles
is
among
the
most
challenging
use
cases
for
electric
vehicle
charging.
This
is
in
part
because
it
is
often
as
much
a
vehicle
parking
issue
as
a
vehicle
charging
issue,
particularly
in
the
most
populous
areas
of
cities
or
in
older
Cities,
laid
out
before
the
ubiquities
of
ubiquity
of
automobiles.
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Residential
areas
may
be
densely
populated,
with
little
access
to
off
street
parking
or
less
dense
areas
with
both
off
Street
and
on-street
options.
Areas
with
limited
parking
may
require
more
considerations
than
areas
with
plentiful
parking
and,
interestingly
many
as
as
Meredith
testified.
Many
EV
owners
without
off
street
parking
run
an
electric
extension
cord
from
a
home
110-fold
Outlet
to
charge
their
EV
at
the
curb.
This
presents
an
unambiguous
Hazard
to
pedestrians
and
other
sidewalk
uses,
as
the
cord
must
cross
a
sidewalk,
either
on
or
elevated
above
ground
level.
G
A
few
municipalities
include
Seattle,
Washington
and
Portland.
Oregon
have
addressed
this
Hazard
by
allowing
residents
to
extend
110
volt
extension
cords
across
the
sidewalk
only
while
actively
charging
and
using
an
ADA
Compliant
cord
cover.
However,
there
are
concerns
about
compliance
and
enforcement.
Cities
may
be
concerned
about
liability
if
cores
are
not
properly
configured.
G
Also
New
York,
City
and
Los
Angeles
have
are
doing.
Pilots
on
on-street
charging
I
can
connect
with
the
individuals,
particularly
in
New,
York
City,
because
I
know
where
I
have
a
colleague
at
RMI
who's
working
directly.
On
that
I
know,
Los
Angeles
has
had
challenges
with
theft
of
the
Copper
from
the
charging
cables
and
anecdotally,
including
theft
by
other
EV
charging
companies
that
just
want
to
cut
the
cables
and
install
them
on
their
own
Chargers,
because
they're
very
valuable.
As
you
know,
they
lock
up
copper
in
Home,
Depot
and
Lowe's.
G
D
D
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The
person,
of
course,
is
Chris
pahalski.
Who
is
the
person
on
the
ground
for
the
city
they're
the
ones
doing
this
I
just
like
to
be
informed
about
what's
going
on,
and
so
with
that
I
believe
that
you
are
the
last
witness.
That
concludes
our
hearing
and
I
want
to
thank
you
and
all
the
other
Witnesses
for
your
participation.
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B
D
No
public
comment.
Okay.
Thank
you
very
much,
then,
with
that
this
concludes
the
business
before
the
Committees
on
streets
and
services
and
Global
opportunities
and
the
creative
Innovative
economy.
So,
thank
you
very
much
and
we
are
recessed
to
the
call
of
the
chairs.
Everybody
have
a
great
day.
Thank
you.