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Description
Meeting of Council's Committee of the Whole to hear testimony on the following bills/resolutions: Bill Nos. 160170, 160171, and 160172 & Resolution No. 160180 regarding the FY2017 Capital Budget.
Testimony from:
District Attorney R. Seth Williams and deputies.
http://phlcouncil.com/FY17-council-budget-center
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B
You
very
much
mr.
chairman,
and
for
the
record,
my
name
is
Seth
Williams
and
I
have
the
honor
of
serving
the
city
that
we
love
as
the
24th
district
attorney.
Mr.
chairman
I'm
joined
today
by
to
my
left,
my
first
assistant
mr.
George
mozi,
and
to
my
right,
your
left,
Jody
Lowell,
who
serves
as
our
deputy
for
training
technology
and
special
projects.
I,
also
have
many
other
members
of
our
office
that
are
here.
B
Hopefully,
if
I
can't
answer
some
of
your
questions,
hopefully
they'll
be
able
to
support
me
and
get
you
the
answers
that
you
need
I'd
like
to
begin
by
just
stating
for
the
record
how
thankful
I
am
for
the
working
relationship
that
we
have
with
all
the
council,
specifically
council,
president
Clark,
and
this
budget
process
this
year
has
been
a
significant
change
and
improvement.
I
believe
over
the
past.
I
want
to
thank
council
president
Clark
and
his
budget
staff.
I
also
want
to
thank
mayor
Kenny
and
his
staff,
specifically
Rob
Bo,
Anna,
Adams
and
Bryan
Abernathy.
B
It's
been
a
breath
of
fresh
air
working
with
them,
trying
to
address
the
needs
of
Public
Safety
in
our
city
and
the
needs
of
the
district
attorney
and
I
look
forward
to
working
with
them
and
moving
forward
together
as
we
try
to
protect
our
our
city
and
keep
our
city
safe.
I
just
want
to
start
off
by
saying
that
I
appreciate
that
I
know
all
of
you
very
well
and
respect
all
of
you
and
we
meet
and
talk
all
throughout
the
year.
B
B
Thank
you
pounce,
but
you
know:
I
grew
up
in
cops,
Creek
and
I
love
being
the
DA
I'm,
trying
to
just
be
the
best
steward
of
the
office
that
I
can
be
for.
However
long
I
have
the
ability
to
serve
as
a
district
attorney
so
I.
Thank
you
for
saying
that
I
think
it's
appropriate
to
begin.
My
very
good
friend
and
councilman
green
began.
One
of
his
questions
of
justice.
I'm,
sorry
judge,
Sheila,
would
skipper
bill.
I
gave
her
a
promotion
by
now,
but
he
started
talking
about
the
MacArthur
grant.
B
I
think
it's
appropriate
in
many
ways
for
us
to
begin.
I.
Think
our
city
receiving
the
MacArthur
grant
is
one
of
the
greatest
recognitions
and
demonstrations
of
the
public
safety.
The
criminal
justice
partners
in
Philadelphia
worked
together
and
how
we're
committed
to
public
safety
and
how
we're
committed
to
reforms
in
the
criminal
justice
system.
The
amount
of
money
that
we
receive
through
the
MacArthur
grant
itself
is
almost
a
rounding
error.
B
If
you
look
at
the
city's
entire
budget,
but
the
fact
that
we
were
selected
after
a
very
rigorous
process
and
that
they
believe
that
all
of
the
partners-
the
police,
the
courts,
the
public
defender,
the
prison
commissioner,
all
of
us
are
committed
to
reducing
our
prison
population
by
approximately
34%
doing
all
that
we
can
to
reform
the
criminal
justice
system.
I
think
really
is
a
feather
in
the
cap
of
the
see
if
adelphia
and
I
just
want
to
start
by
by
bringing
that
to
everyone's
attention,
but
again
criminal
justice
reform.
B
This
is
a
term
we
hear
of
a
lot
lately.
Council,
president
Clark
has
prioritized
it
and
mayor
Kenney
focused
on
it.
Well
before
he
became
mayor,
we
hear
President
Obama
and
Speaker
Paul
Ryan
and
many
others
discussed
the
need
for
reform.
Criminal
justice
reform
is
not
and
should
not
be
a
scary
concept.
It
does
not,
nor
should
it
letting
offenders
out
of
prison
early
for
the
sake
of
emptying
out
prisons.
It
does
not
mean
giving
breaks
to
sex
offenders,
murderers
or
those
who
terrorize
our
communities
with
illegal
firearms.
B
It
does
not
mean
throwing
taxpayer
money
at
programs
that
demonstrate
no
evidence
of
reducing
recidivism
criminal
justice
reform
is
something
more
profound.
The
term
acknowledges
that
our
system
has
flaws
and
they're
working
together.
We
can
make
it
better
when
the
system
has
improved
all
those
people
who
in
are
involved
in
it
benefit
for
victims.
An
improved
system
means
more
efficiency,
fewer
delays
and
a
greater
likelihood
that
their
perpetrators
will
be
held
accountable
for
less
violent
offenders.
B
It
means
the
greater
likelihood
of
removing
barriers
to
being
meaningfully
employed
for
ex-offenders
generally,
it
means
more
and
better
programs
designed
to
address
their
criminogenic
needs,
so
they
will
be
both
held
accountable
for
their
conduct
and
presented
with
an
opportunity
to
get
better
and
ultimately
do
better
for
taxpayers.
It
means
a
better
use
of
taxpayer
dollars,
because,
if
done
right,
criminal
justice
reform
will
reduce
recidivism
recidivism
reduction
means
less
crime,
fewer
victims,
robust
re-entry
and,
ultimately,
a
better
criminal
justice
system.
It
wasn't
that
long
ago,
that
I
spoke
with
counsel
during
my
first
budget.
B
Testimony
about
the
need
for
reform.
My
help
is
booked
up
that
day,
smart
on
crime
by
California's,
Attorney,
General
Kamala
Harris
seven
years
ago.
Some
of
these
concepts
seemed
out
of
the
mainstream,
with
our
small
amounts
of
marijuana.
Marijuana
program
give
too
much
of
a
break
to
pot
smokers
and
lead
to
more
illegal
drugs
on
our
streets.
B
How
can
we
have
diversionary
programs,
like
the
choice,
is
yours
in
which
potential
felons
could
be
diverted
into
programming
weed
in
resolving
many
of
our
misdemeanor
cases,
by
offering
specialized
and
tailored
diversion
just
send
a
message
that
we
aren't
taking
seriously
enough
is
establishing
an
entire
separate
pretrial
division,
from
which
all
of
our
diversionary
programs
would
be
overseen,
the
best
use
of
our
limited
resources.
Why
should
why?
Would
the
district
attorney
be
discussing
second
chances
for
our
nonviolent
offenders?
We
have
come
a
long
way.
People
don't
ask
those
questions
anymore.
B
Instead,
we
are
all
talking
about
further
reforms,
but
the
portion
of
criminal
justice
reform
only
tells
part
of
the
story,
if
only
it
were
that
simple
for
at
the
same
time,
we
are,
unlike
in
years,
past
grappling
with
a
significant
uptick
in
gun
violence.
People
are
beginning
to
feel
less
safe
and
less
secure
on
our
streets
and
we're
also
dealing
with
a
scourge
of
an
opioid
epidemic.
B
B
That's
for
all
of
us
to
do
this
body,
my
office
and
each
of
the
entity
is
coming
before
you
today
in
budget
hearings,
so
that
we
know
where
we
need
to
go.
Let's
talk
briefly
about
what
we
have
been
able
to
do
and
diverting
more
offenders
out
of
the
criminal
justice
system.
Nearly
40%
of
our
misdemeanor
cases
are
diverted
out
of
the
criminal
justice
system,
which
is
at
a
tremendous
increase
since
2010
diverting
these
cases
has
not
negatively
affected
Public
Safety
within
one
year
of
completing
diversionary
program.
B
Fewer
than
14
percent
of
those
individuals
were
read
within
three
years.
Fewer
than
25
percent
of
these
individuals
were
really
consider
that
the
real
rate
for
those
release
from
state
prison
is
63
percent
resolve
cases
faster.
Our
earlier
a
know,
councilman
Dom
asked
a
question
about
case
resolution.
During
the
same
time,
period
misdemeanors
are
disposed
of
much
faster
for
more
than
seven
months
to
less
than
four
and
a
half
months.
We
charge
fewer
people
with
crimes.
B
Now
in
2010
we
charged
26
thousand
four
hundred
sixty
seven
misdemeanor
cases
in
2015
we
charged
eighteen
thousand
ninety
six,
a
decrease
of
almost
a
third.
At
the
same
time,
fewer
cases
are
withdrawn.
We
have
had
to
withdraw
14
percent
fewer
misdemeanor
cases,
we're
also
now
holding
more
cases
for
Court
we're
holding
about
72
percent
of
our
felonies
for
court
in
2015
in
comparison
to
63
percent
in
2010,
nearly
20%
of
our
felony
cases
are
disposed
of.
B
Well
before
trial,
through
our
smart
lien
program
that
you
heard
of
earlier
have
these
cases
perceived
at
trial
without
early
disposition
afforded
by
the
smart
rooms
they
might
still
be
listed
on
court
dockets.
It
takes
a
long
time
for
a
case
resolved
by
trial.
Cases
are
continued
for
various
reasons.
Yet
each
listing
the
defendant
is
brought
to
court
if
incarcerated,
victims
and
witnesses
are
subpoenaed.
Sapir
police
officers
must
attend.
Court
drugs
and
guns
are
tested
by
our
criminalistics
experts
and
money
is
expended
to
list
cases
and
occupy
court
time.
Smart
rooms,
mr.
B
chairman,
are
efficient
in
resolving
cases
early
without
the
need
for
long
trial,
dates
and
attendant
expenses,
reducing
recidivism
by
successfully
diverting
nonviolent
drug
dealers.
The
choice
is
yours
as
a
program
that
I
tell
people.
Plagiarism
is
a
bad
thing
in
law,
school
plagiarism,
the
great
thing
as
the
DA
and
I
stole
idea
from
Kamala
Harris
from
when
she
was
the
DA
of
San
Francisco.
B
Of
those
who
have
entered
our
program,
67
or
88
percent
had
a
graduation
rate
and
only
a
12%
re-arrest
rate
of
those
25
who
rejected
our
program.
Seventeen
or
two-thirds
have
been
convicted
of
a
felony.
Sixty
percent
have
a
real
rest
rate
five
times
worse
than
our
graduates.
Those
graduates
who
have
been
re-arrested
spend
199
days
in
custody.
Those
who
rejected
the
program
and
have
been
re-arrested
spent
3417
days
in
custody.
Therefore,
we've
shown
a
cost
savings
of
at
least
three
hundred
and
twenty
thousand
dollars.
B
All
this
has
allowed
us
to
focus
on
our
more
serious
and
violent
cases,
and
we
have
succeeded.
Look
at
our
conviction.
Rate
increase
from
2010
to
2015.
Homicide
is
up
9%
from
78%
to
87%.
Rape
is
up
9%
from
55%
to
64%.
The
illegal
gun
possession
is
up
13%
from
52%
to
65%
and
mr.
chairman,
we
are
saving
the
city
money.
Our
amp
program
saves
the
city
annually
about
3.5
million
dollars.
B
As
a
result
of
our
diversionary
programs,
over
1,000
drug
cases
were
resolved
without
ever
having
to
order
an
analysis
from
our
chem
lab
saving
the
city
at
least
another
$100,000,
just
as
important.
This
has
reduced
the
burden
on
the
labs
in
terms
of
work
hours
needed
to
process
backlogs
we're
thinking
outside
the
box.
In
our
battle
against
heroin
overdose,
we're
doing
things
that
prospers
have
historically
never
done
with
the
funding
from
the
Pennsylvanian
District
Attorneys
Association
and
independence
Blue
Cross.
We
are
assuming
the
major
responsibility
for
our
drug
drop
box
program.
B
Commissioner
Ross
has
been
integral
in
establishing
and
helping
us
maintain
the
program
his
staff
at
every
Police
District
has
been
under
civically.
Collaborative
drug
drop
boxes
are
critical
in
our
fight
against
prescription
drug
abuse.
I
saw
mr.
chairman,
you
tweeted,
that
this
weekend
about
people
being
able
to
turn
in
drugs
on
Saturday,
our
County
detectives
are
collecting
and
transporting
the
collected
drugs
I
make
this
point
to
emphasize
that
we're
doing
so
much
more
with
every
meaningful
budgetary
increase.
B
To
date,
we've
collected
up
200
pounds
of
prescription
medicines
and
things
are
just
brought
out
of
people's
homes
and
cabinets.
We
have
our
med
return
boxes
at
the
1st,
the
15th,
the
19th,
the
22nd
25th
and
35th
police
districts.
Phase
two
will
start
very
shortly,
we'll
be
adding
the
3rd
5th
6th,
7th
12,
14th
and
26th.
With
our
colleagues
at
the
District
Attorneys
Association,
we
secured
$50,000
in
funding
from
Blue
Cross
for
the
purchase,
also
of
naloxone
kits,
which
the
police
will
be
using
on
our
streets.
B
I
also
want
to
thank
Covanta,
which
is
a
company
in
Conshohocken
that
has
agreed
to
destroy
of
all
these
drugs
that
were
turning
in
proposed
funding
request.
The
proposed
fiscal
year,
2017
general
fund
budget
totals
36
million
two
hundred
ninety
five
thousand
seven
hundred
18,
which
is
an
increase
of
813
thousand
five
hundred
for
over
fiscal
year.
2016
estimated
obligation
levels,
this
increase
will
generally
allow
us
to
maintain
current
staffing
levels
and
cover
salaries
that
have
been
covered
by
grants.
B
The
proposed
budget
includes
33
million
three
hundred
and
three
five
hundred
twenty-five
in
class
100,
which
is
an
eight
hundred.
Thirteen
thousand
five
hundred
$4
increase
over
fiscal
year.
16
again,
this
funding
will
be
mandated
Union
increases
and
maintain
current
staffing
levels.
We
appreciate
this
increase.
I
can't
state
that
enough.
We
appreciate
the
dialogue
that
we've
had
with
the
mayor's
office
and
their
recognition
that
our
office
needs
more
resources.
B
I
want
to
especially
acknowledge
Abernathy
for
working
with
first
assistant
George
mozi,
to
ensure
the
money
that
we
were
losing
from
federal
and
state
grants
would
not
hurt
us
and
that
they
were
ensure
that
we
would
receive
that
eight
hundred
thirteen
thousand
dollars
you
might
ask:
why
are
we
losing
grant
funding
state
and
federal
governments
generally
do
not
award
grant
funds
for
more
than
two
years
after
that
time
period?
They
expect
agencies
to
sustain
grant
funded
programs
out
of
their
current
budgets.
B
If
our
budget
were
nearly
adjusted
for
inflation
from
fiscal
year,
oh
five,
our
budget
would
be
one
million
dollars
higher
than
what
it
is
in.
The
proposed
budget
and
I've
brought
a
chart
to
demonstrate
that
mr.
Greg
Rowe
who's,
the
chief
of
my
legislation
and
policy
unit
will
do
his
best
Vanna,
White
and
personation,
and
so
again
the
police
prisons
and
sheriff
budgets
are
are
far
higher
than
if
their
budgets
were
merely
tracked
for
inflation,
the
police,
fifty
nine
million
dollars
higher
prisons,
twenty
four
million
dollars
higher
and
the
share
of
2.4
million
dollars
higher.
B
What
we
do
with
additional
funding
focus
deterrence
expansion,
our
fight
against
gun,
violence
in
collaboration
in
conjunction
with
our
partners,
especially
the
police,
with
approximately
$275,000.
We
would
have
an
additional
two
assistant
das
and
two
detectives
to
work
on
reducing
gun
violence
in
our
city,
expungement
I
know
many
of
members
of
council
wants
to
do
as
much
as
we
can
to
help
individuals
get
their
records
expunged,
which
is
a
step
beyond
just
banning
the
box.
B
Since
we
do
not
object
to
the
vast
majority
of
expungement
petitions,
we
could
review
more
petitions
if
we
had
more
bodies.
Approximately
a
hundred
and
seventy
five
thousand
dollars
will
allow
us
to
have
two
additional,
a
TAS
and
one
clerk.
Reviewing
these
expungement
petitions.
What's
petitions
being
reviewed
means
more
expungements
will
be
granted
faster
in
this
endeavor.
We
all
agree.
The
process
has
to
be
right.
B
Equally
important
funds
for
retaining
staff
I
understand
the
budget
is
tight.
I've
been
hearing
that
from
Council
for
the
past
seven
years
and
I
understand,
but
the
city
has
a
significant
number
of
priorities,
including
helping
to
adequately
fund
our
schools,
which
is
the
greatest
crime
prevention
tool.
B
Assistant
DA
is
leave
the
office
not
because
they
don't
like
their
jobs,
because
law
firms
typically
pay
a
significant
amount
more
than
we
can.
We
will
never
be
able
to
match
the
Sowers
of
the
firm's,
but
any
increase,
so
the
best
and
brightest
in
my
office
can
receive
even
a
modest
bump
to
keep
up
with
the
rising
cost
of
everyday
life
will
help
us
keep
those
who
are
committed
trained
in
our
programs
and
philosophies
and
know
what
it
is
to
be
smart
on
crime.
Mr.
B
chairman
and
members
of
council
I'd
also
like
to
speak
briefly
about
our
law
of
vision,
which
is
something
most
people
don't
even
understand
or
think
of
when
they
think
of,
and
they
watch
long
order.
I
wanted
to
take
a
moment
and
recognize
the
great
work
of
our
law.
Division
consisting
of
assistant
district
attorneys
will
often
get
the
least
recognition
because
their
work
is
primarily
to
defend
the
convictions
of
our
office.
They
are
writers,
researchers
and
advocates
before
our
appellate
courts.
They
are
bright,
thoughtful
and
inquisitive,
and
work
very
hard
to
ensure
convictions
are
sustained.
B
They
help
create
appellate
law,
explain
the
nuances
to
the
courts
and,
at
the
end
of
the
day,
ensure
that
our
crimes
have
a
voice
and
advocate
in
our
Superior
Commonwealth
Supreme
and
federal
courts.
The
institutional
knowledge
that
these
assistant
district
attorneys
have
is
impressive
and
invaluable.
Their
knowledge
of
the
law
is
not
something
that
is
learned
overnight.
It
is
deep
knowledge
learn
from
years
and
years
of
research,
writing
and
other
experience.
B
They
understand
the
most
complicated
areas
of
the
law,
they're
able
to
use
their
commitment
and
intellectual
skills
to
ensure
that
the
guilty,
such
as
murderers
and
rapists,
remain
behind
bars.
Many
of
these
individuals
could
have
ended
up
at
big
law
firms,
making
a
lot
of
money,
but
they've
stayed
true
to
public
service
and
their
commitment
to
the
city
of
Philadelphia.
So
mr.
chairman
and
members
of
council,
we've
come
a
long
way
in
seven
years,
but
we
still
have
a
very
long
way
to
go.
B
I
remain
excited
and
committed
to
us
finding
best
practices
from
all
over
the
world
to
help
make
Philadelphia
the
safest
city
for
all
of
us
to
live
work
and
play
with
that.
Mr.
chairman,
in
accord
with
the
wishes
of
the
President
of
Council,
we've
submitted
an
overview
of
our
budget
and
lots
of
charts
and
with
that
I'll
take
any
questions
that
you
may
have
great.
Thank.
A
You
for
your
testimony,
you
said
if
I
can
make
a
request
that
these
charts,
if
you
could
email
them
to
the
chair,
so
we
can
get
them
out
to
all
council,
certainly
because
I
think
you're,
you
know
I
mean
there.
You
make
a
compelling
argument,
one
that
disparity
and
and
in
resources
as
far
as
a
rate
of
return-
and
you
know
what
we're
all
trying
to
accomplish
within
the
you
know,
heaven
or
having
your
part
in
the
criminal
justice
system.
B
Mr.
chair
and
that
again
the
MacArthur
grant
I
think,
embodies
and
personifies
how
well
the
criminal
justice
advisory
board
and
all
of
the
public
safety
agencies
and
fill
up
your
work
together
and
yes,
I
ran
in
2005
and
2009
on
a
platform
of
us
being
smart
on
crime
and
a
lot
of
people
thought
all
of
that
was
just
rhetoric.
B
All
these
numbers,
I
was
throwing
out
and,
as
you
know,
in
December
of
2009,
the
Philadelphia
Inquirer
Craig
McCoy
Nancy
Phillips,
published
a
series
justice
delayed,
denied,
dismissed
and
a
chronicle
of
this
severe
dysfunction
across
the
board
of
the
Philadelphia
criminal
justice
system.
With
that,
as
a
backdrop
and
with
all
of
us
working
with
the
municipal
budget
in
free
fall,
we
began
working
together
to
do
all
that
we
could
to
make
the
system
better
and
I
think
that
the
MacArthur
Foundation's
recognition
demonstrates
how
of
the
hundreds
of
cities
that
apply.
B
They
saw
that
our
commitment
was
the
most
meaningful
and
truest
and
worthy
of
receipt
of
the
award.
I
really
believe
that
we
being
smart
on
crime
doesn't
mean
that
we're
soft
on
criminals.
So
we
have
to
do
all
that.
We
can
Jody
sitting
next
to
me
when
I
became
the
DA,
we
triple
the
number
of
people
not
trying
cases
in
the
court,
but
just
those
that
are
in
a
room,
reviewing
all
the
paperwork
to
ensure
that
we
only
charge
the
right
people
that
we
only
charge
them
with
the
right
crimes.
B
Is
yours:
I
have
a
program
with
community
core
the
community
college
we're
instead
of
sending
someone
to
jail
with
a
felony,
we're
gonna,
send
them
to
Community
College.
So
the
choice
is
yours
as
an
example
and
I've
spoken
with
councilman
green
about
possibly
different
funding
sources,
but
if
we
were
to
send
someone
to
state
prison,
mr.
chairman,
for
a
year
it
cost
us
about
$40,000
and
the
failure
rate.
The
recidivism
rate,
as
you've
heard
about
63
percent,
get
re-arrested
within
three
years
of
their
real
their
release
so
from
a
far
left
wing.
B
Let's
get
something
done
to
a
far
right
wing
return
on
investment
perspective.
What
we're
doing
is
failing
the
choice
is
yours
is
a
program
in
which
we
take
individuals
that
could
go
to
jail
for
a
minimum
of
one
year
for
the
sale
of
illegal
drugs
on
our
streets
and
instead
of
sending
them
to
prison,
we
teach
them
life
skills
right,
don't
get
another
tattoo
on
your
eyelid.
Pull
your
pants
up
show
up
on
time.
B
They
get
literacy,
training,
work-ready
training
for
jobs
that
are
necessary
in
the
economy
of
Philadelphia
and
if
they
successfully
complete
the
program.
Mr.
chairman,
their
records
will
just
drop
a
case.
We
expunge
their
record,
and
so
this
is
a
significant
case,
but
it
cost
us
about
four
thousand
dollars
a
year
to
operate.
I'm
very
thankful
that
Jerry
Lynn
fest
and
Marguerite
Lynn
fest,
the
Lynn
fest
foundation,
began
by
giving
us
one
point:
four
million
dollars
to
get
started.
B
We
received
another
I
think
close
to
$400,000
from
the
William
Penn
foundation,
but
I
truly
believe
this
is
something
that
municipal
government
and
the
state
government
should
fund
at
that
four
thousand
dollars
per
person.
We
could
save
a
lot
of
lives
by
an
increase
in
the
choice
is
yours
program,
but
we
have
a
lot
of
other
programs
amp
one
amp
to
all
these
other
programs.
We,
you
know
of
the
Sam
program,
small
amounts
of
marijuana
where,
instead
of
trying
these
cases
and
clogging
the
courtrooms,
we're
trying
to
address
the
criminogenic
needs
of
these
individuals.
B
A
So
do
you
increase
as
you
you're
just
describing
for
the
soft
skills
and
correct,
and
it's
and
some
other
you
know
components
to
the
diversionary
programs
to
reduce
the
recidivism.
You
say
that
63
percent
or
back
in
the
system
right
in
three
years,
so
all
that
does
that
include
expungement.
You
would
mention
that
no.
B
So
we're
working
on
no
many
council
people,
I,
know
councilman
Johnson
and
my
councilman
councilman
Curtis
Jones
jr.
often
contact
me
and
wants
to
do
more
working
with
the
Bar
Association
working
with
the
barristers
Association
to
put
on
expungement
clinics,
and
we
are
definitely
supporters
of
that,
so
that
people
who
have
had
their
cases
thrown
out
of
court
or
withdrawn
prosecution
or
were
acquitted,
would
have
a
greater
opportunity
to
have
those
records
expunged.
B
It's
the
stepless
I
said
earlier
beyond
just
banning
the
box,
which
I
know
pass
through
Council
recently,
and
so
we've
asked
it'd
be
helpful
so
that
we
could
cut
down
the
backlog
we
could
review
more
of
those
cases.
If
we
were
to
have
an
additional
$175,000
would
allow
us
it
higher
to
a
DA's
and
a
clerk
just
to
handle
those
expungements
in
a
much
better
and
more
efficient
way.
Great.
D
B
The
district
attorney's
Association
of
Pennsylvania
really
is
comprised
of
two
people
that
would
go
to
Harrisburg,
as
you
know,
from
your
history
as
a
state
legislature,
Greg
Rowe,
and
this
Ashley
Martin
is
here,
and
they
do
a
phenomenal
job
on
behalf
of
all
Pennsylvania's,
but
I
want
them
to
also
work
more
with
Council
as
wherever
you
have
ideas
about
public
safety
issues
too
contact
us
for
them
to
help
you.
We
have
an
economic
crimes
unit
which
is
in
our
investigations,
division.
B
It
has
a
chief
Lisa,
Caulfield
and
I
believe
we
have
about
four
Assistant
District
Attorney's
are
assigned
to
the
economic
Crimes
Unit.
They
handle
all
types
of
cases
arranging
from
cases
in
which
elders
are
being
scammed
in
many
ways,
cases
often
in
which
there's
about
fifty
thousand
dollars
or
more
in
controversy
where
someone
is
trying
to
steal
a
deed
of
a
property,
and
they
do
a
lot
of
great
work.
I
get
a
lot
of
crazy
emails
from
people.
Who've
said
that
I
may
have
inherited
a
million
dollars.
B
D
Number
that
you
just
gave
$50,000-
and
that
was
in-
regards
to
deeds-
I'm
really
concerned
about
the
the
issues
associated
with
home
contractors
and,
while
I'm,
you
know,
familiar
obviously
with
the
home
improvement,
Consumer,
Protection,
Act
and
its
relevance
to
the
civil
remedies
right.
We
have
seen
an
influx,
particularly
with
the
the
issues
associated
specifically
with
a
mortgage
product
called
reverse
mortgages.
E
D
During
that
hearing,
we
heard
a
lot
about
home
contractors,
but
they
talked
about
the
low
amount
the
low
dollar
amount.
So
my
question
to
you
is
one:
does
that
unit
coordinate
with
L&I
on
the
prosecution
of
a
contractors?
Are
they
communicating
and
coordinating
sort
of
with
the
the
Senior
Law
Center,
and
is
there
a
limit
to
what
the
amount
of
the
contractor
fraud
is
that
would
trigger
our
our
our
Department
to
them
pursue
prosecution
so.
B
D
District
Attorney,
if
you
can
I,
would
be
very
interested
in
getting
an
overview
of
the
the
prosecuting
cases
that
the
economic
crimes
unit
has
worked
on
from
throughout
the
city
and
and
I
appreciate
your
referencing,
the
regional
offices
and
the
role
that
they
play.
But
if
we
could
have
sent
to
the
council
president
and
over
a
citywide
overview
and
then
have
them
based
on
your
regional
locations
or
if
it
was
done
by
council
matic
district.
D
B
And
Councilwoman
I
think
part
of
that
is
that
when
it
comes
to
our
charging
and
the
police
have
investigated
it,
the
question
comes
down
to.
Is
it
a
civil
matter
or
was
there
actual
chronic?
Clearly,
it
could
be
consumer
protection
issues
that
aren't
criminal,
that
they
have
civil
remedies.
I
mean
that's
something
that
the
attorney
general's
office
handles
in
their
Consumer,
Protection
Bureau,
but
I
will
definitely
get
back
to
you
and
maybe
set
an
appointment
so
that
amp
Ontario,
who
is
here
with
me.
B
She
was
the
deputy
of
our
investigations,
division,
which
has
oversight
over
our
economic
Crimes
Unit
and
occurs
Douglas
who's.
Currently
that
deputy
between
the
knowledge
of
those
two
may
be
sitting
and
meeting
with
you,
your
staff,
members
or
a
council
hearing
on
about
that
I
think,
would
be
very
worthwhile.
Thank.
D
A
F
A
The
first
one
I
attended
an
orientation
when
I
first
I
think
was
January
or
February
of
this
year.
Yes,
we
got
a
great
orientation.
You
must
had
twenty
five
or
six
district
attorneys
in
the
room
very
informative.
It
was
the
best
orientation
I
intended
of
any
department
in
the
city.
Thank
you
and
you
guys
do
a
really
good
job.
So
I
want
to
commend
you
on
the
record,
the
job
you
all
of
you
are
doing,
and
I
will
say
this.
A
B
It
costs
approximately
thirty
five
to
forty
thousand
dollars
to
house
someone
in
the
state
of
Pennsylvania
Correctional
Facility.
These
are
people
that
would
have
gone
to
state
prison
and
it
only
cost
us
about
four
thousand
dollars
which
is
less
than
what
it
cost
to
run
it
in
San
Francisco.
It
was
about
$5,000
per
involved
individual
there,
and
we
have
a
great
partnership
with
jevs.
They
provide
the
majority
of
the
services
of
the
Pennsylvania
prison
Society.
B
A
B
That
spin
out
or
huge
correct,
because
the
most
part,
if
you
have
a
felony
conviction,
councilman
Tom,
it's
almost
like
an
economic
death
sentence.
You
can't
get
a
job
with
this,
gives
them
out
that
opportunity
to
not
only
does
not
serve
a
year
in
prison
but
to
become
productive,
employable
philadelphians,
and
then
you
might
appreciate
taxpaying
philadelphians
I
do.
B
You
know
I
would
love
to
scale
it
up
if
we
had
200
people
in
it
a
year
before
thousand
dollars
per
person.
So
you
need
eight
hundred
thousand.
That
would
be
a
great
starting
I'm,
also
trying
to
lobby
secretary
Wetzel
to
pay
for
it,
but
see
we're
caught
in
a
catch-22
in
that
I'm,
very
thankful,
former
Commissioner
girona
and
the
board
of
the
prison
they've.
Given
us
fifty
thousand
dollars
the
last
two
years
to
operate
it.
Otherwise,
we
could
not
have
continued
we're
in
a
catch-22
in
that
these
individuals.
B
A
A
G
Thank
You
mr.
chair
and
still
well
good
afternoon
mr.
District
Attorney.
Thank
you
for
being
a
part
of
the
Justice
continuum,
integral
part
of
CJ,
an
integral
part
of
justice
in
the
city
of
Philadelphia.
You
have
a
hard
job:
you're,
not
a
social
worker,
I
get
it
your
job
is
to
protect
the
public,
and
sometimes
you
know
that
means
locking
people
up.
So,
having
said
all
in
it,
there
are
a
couple
of
areas
that
I
would
like
to
get
your
feedback.
G
G
Having
said
that,
one
of
the
issues
that
came
up
was
witness
protection
and
the
young
lady
that
testified
before
kannada
johnson's
gun
violence.
Hearing
talked
about
graphically
how
youth
that
were
around
her
son,
that
was
murdered
well
in
fear
of
their
life
and
even
at
times
were
hesitant
to
come
forth
as
witnesses,
because
there's
not
enough
of
insulation
protection.
I
don't
know
the
proper
word
to
safeguard
people
who
have
to
go
right
back
into
that
community
and
what
her
testimony
said
that
I
shop
in
the
same
place.
G
G
So
it's
not
like
it's
a
big
giant
ocean
that
they
can
hide
in
it's
a
small
in
the
North
Philly
area.
In
particular,
we
talk
about
two
blocks
over
one
block
up
in
a
lot
of
cases.
So
have
we?
What
would
give
me
a
synopsis
of
the
state
of
witness
protection
and
what?
To
what
degree
does
that
impact
justice
and
conviction
rates
and
so
forth?
G
And
then,
finally,
what
we
can
do
to
help
in
that
regard,
because
without
witness
protection,
there
is
no
justice,
because
unless
you
rely
on
cameras
only
which
is
a
good
thing,
we've
invested
in
them,
but
it
is
not
the
only
thing
that
is
needed
for
a
solid
conviction,
Hart
trying
to
tell
you
your
business
but
from
a
outsider's
observation.
This
is
scary.
B
So
first
I
want
to
thank
you
for
your
continued
support
for
witness
protection
and
witness
relocation.
I
want
to
thank
you
for
constantly
setting
up
meetings
between
myself
in
my
office
and
the
fidelity
housing
authority,
as
you
almost
do
every
year
to
address
this
I
just
want
to
start
off
by
saying
you
started
by
talking
about
just
the
personal
context,
not
just
the
numbers.
Every
morning
the
first
thing
I
read
I
get
on
my
iphone
the
statistics
of
the
shootings
and
the
homicides
from
overnight.
B
But
beyond
that,
you
know
the
most
difficult
thing
for
me
about
being.
The
DA
is
the
emotional
toll
of
meeting
the
family
members
of
a
victim
from
the
Amtrak
derailment
meeting
and
going
to
the
funeral
for
the
young
girl
who
was
getting
her
hair
braided
on
the
front
steps
in
South
Philadelphia
and
she
was
shot
and
having
to
go
to
the
Temple
University
trauma
center
when
Officer
Robert
Wilson.
B
I
then
put
you
in
touch
with
Jen
Selter
who's,
a
chief
of
my
homicide
unit,
so
that
we
can
get
the
right
services
as
quickly
as
possible
for
those
people,
the
state
of
witness
protection
and
witness
relocation
in
Philadelphia
is
better
than
what
it
had
been,
which
is
still
nowhere
or
what
it
could
be
people.
Think
of
the
movie,
my
blue,
heaven,
where
you
know
you're
the
you're
a
witness
to
something,
and
then
you
get
moved
off
to
Arizona.
You
get
a
new
identity
and
you
get
a
middle-class
lifestyle
in
Arizona.
B
B
We
are
very
fortunate.
However,
as
a
result,
again
of
the
justice
delay
denied
dismiss,
we
saw
with
the
great
rate
of
cases
that
were
being
thrown
out
of
felony
court.
They
weren't
even
being
held
for
court
because
of
witness
intimidation.
So
that
was
one
of
the
reasons
why
I
asked
the
courts
to
work
with
us
and
to
bring
all
of
the
courts
not
having
preliminary
hearings
out
at
the
police
district.
What
you
think
might
be
safe,
but
they
safe
bring
them
to
the
criminal
justice
center
and
also
allowing
us
to
have
indicted
grand
juries.
B
So,
since
about
2012,
we
have
taken
about
1600
cases
before
the
indict
injury
cases
in
which
victims
and
witnesses
came
forward
and
said
they
were
being
threatened.
They
were
being
intimidated
almost
every
homicide
case
in
Philadelphia,
there's
witness
intimidation,
so
we
are
now
bringing
those
cases
instead
of
through
long
term
like
the
normal
investigation
and
a
preliminary
hearing
we're
putting
those
cases
before
the
indict
ingrained
jury
which
protects
the
victim
or
the
witness
from
having
to
confront.
B
You
refer
to
them
as
Thundercats
Saavedra,
address
and
being
confronted
by
the
defendant
and
his
friends
in
the
courtroom
having
them
take
pictures
justice,
Renee,
sorry,
judge,
Renee,
Caldwell
Hughes
was
fundamental
in
creating
a
book
for
the
judges
to
understand
how
to
identify
people
that
were
being
intimidated,
threatened
in
the
courtroom.
People
are
taking
pictures,
posting
them
on
Twitter
as
rats
on
Facebook
I'm.
Doing
all
of
those
things
has
allowed
us
to
hold
more
defendants
accountable
now
through
the
use
of
the
indicted
grand
jury.
B
The
funding
that
we
get
for
the
witness
relocation
of
protection
is
primarily
for
the
transportation
to
and
from
court.
Often,
in
some
situations,
when
we
put
people
in
hotels
in
or
around
the
city-
that's
that's
still
problematic.
Often
we
have
people
who
we
put
in
these
put
in
the
hotel.
They
invite
friends
from
the
neighborhood
to
go
to
the
pool,
so
we're
trying
to
do
as
much
as
we
can
but
I
think.
A
lot
of
it
is
every
step
of
the
way
and
identifying
people
earlier
who's
being
threatened.
B
G
Even
encourage
some
of
marketing,
Ghazwan
and
and
colleagues
on
the
public
safety
committees
that
look
at
that
narrow
sliver
of
justice
to
see
how
we
can
enhance
protection
I
again.
The
brave
souls
that
walk
over
there
and
see
JC
right
and
then
walk
back
to
that
community.
Right.
G
Right
and
so
that
concept
not
to
mention
the
set
of
elevators
that
you
have
to
ride
up
with
some
of
the
defendants,
family
and
some
of
the
tussle
and
the
Sheriff's
Department
has
done
a
good
job
of
escorting
people
out.
But
we
need
to
evolve
this
concept
of
witness
protection
if
we
could
and
I'm
gonna
I'm
gonna
come
back
on
one
of
my
next
round
to
talk
about
D
thefts.
So
whoever
deals
with
that.
That
is
a
growing
issue
for
my
constituents.
G
B
H
Very
good,
well
many
people
know
stuff
and
I
go
way
back
to
our
days
at
Penn,
State
together,
then
I
graduated
from
Temple
University,
but
we
have
had
a
long
history
and
I
think
that
overall
I
do
want
to
give
you
accolades,
and
you
know,
recognize
the
work
that
you
have
done
as
a
district
attorney.
I
can
only
tell
you
that
the
staff
of
the
DA's
office
has
been
extremely
professional
in
my
dealings
with
them.
It's
an
outstanding
staff
overall
and
I.
H
Have
you
know,
I
have
my
own
incident
where
I
was
rear-ended
by
a
you
know,
an
alleged
drunk
driver
and
went
through
a
process
and
I
have
to
say
that
the
DA's
office
handle
it
handled
it
with
such
a
level
of
professionalism
that
you
know
they
were
calling
me
way.
More
than
I
was
calling
them
to
give
me
updates
and
information
and
I've
really
appreciated
it
and
I
just
wanted
to.
H
Let
you
know
that
and
be
on
the
record
about
that,
because
I
think
it's
important
to
recognize
folks
when,
when
they're
doing
the
right
things
and
when
they're
doing
good
things,
but
there
is
something
else
that
I
wanted
to
mention
to
you
know:
we've
had
a
number
of
conversations
about
this,
which
is
the
number
of
well
not
a
number,
but
three
employees
in
particular
who
go
by
the
last
names
of
FINA,
Costanzo
and
Blessington,
who
have
had
some
issues
around
the
porns
gate.
Scandal
and
we've
talked
about
this.
We
talked
about
this
last
fall.
H
We
talked
about
it
last
winter,
I
believe
we
talked
about
it
earlier
this
year,
and
here
we
are
in
the
spring
talking
about
it
again
and
it's
just
a
little
bit
frustrating
actually
not
a
little
bit.
It's
a
whole
lot
frustrating
that
we
still
have
to
continue
to
have
these
conversations,
and
it
puts
me
in
the
mindset
that
no
matter
how
much
great
work
you
do
and
you
do
great
work,
no
matter
how
much
good
work
you
do.
H
It
is
diminished
if
we
continue
to
employ
people
who
have
received
in
some
cases
circulated
racist,
pornographic
and
homophobic
emails
and
I.
Think
that
you
know
in
2016
I,
don't
even
think
we
should
be
having
this
conversation
I
think
it's
outrageous
that
we're
still
here
still
having
these
kinds
of
conversations
that
started
really.
With
your
release
statement
on
the
Friday
before
Labor
Day
at
4:23
p.m.
H
Frank
FINA
was
transferred
from
Special
Investigations
to
civil
litigation,
Costanzo
from
Special
Investigations,
two
appeals
and
Blessington
from
insurance
fraud
to
post-conviction,
something
and
I
just
wanted
to
see
if
those
employees
are
still
with
the
district
attorney's
office.
Yes,
they
are
okay
and
they're
still
in
those
units
that
they
were
transferred
to.
Yes,.
B
So
one
I'll
say
that
you
know
I'm
not
here,
to
defend
the
practices
at
governor
corporate
attorney
general's
office
or
the
atmosphere,
the
tenor,
the
tone,
the
culture
of
that
office,
that
allow
people
to
do
what
was
going
on
at
that
time.
I
think
it
as
you're
right.
You
have
every
reason
to
be
upset.
B
Then
I
said
you
know.
We
need
to
ask
the
Attorney
General,
because
the
standard
again,
we
have
two
very
respected
current
members
of
our
Supreme
Court,
who
were
merely
passive
recipients
of
the
same
exact
emails.
We're
not
asking
them.
I'm
here
by
asking
them
to
step
down
the
Attorney
General
herself,
her
sister
were
also
recipients
of
the
same
and
the
Attorney
General's
sister
for
to
these
things.
So
again,
I
have
to
see
what's
in
the
best
interest
of
our
office,
of
the
people.
B
These
are
three
individuals
that
definitely
made
an
error
in
judgment,
but
have
had
tremendous
careers
as
public
servants
have
a
tremendous
body
of
experience
and
wealth
of
knowledge
that
we
just
can't
get
by
jettison
them
off
and
just
hiring
somebody
out
of
law
school,
so
I
understand
how
you
feel
I
feel
in
many
ways
the
same,
but
it
has
the
district
attorney.
I
have
to
evaluate
the
facts
of
the
individuals,
not
just
something
that
Milton
Street
is
handing
out
on
the
corner
and
really
think
about
what
is
going
on.
Who
are
these
people?
B
What's
the
best
thing
for
them
me
to
do
for
them
and
Public
Safety
in
the
city
and
as
a
result
of
all
that,
I
came
out
later
and
I
say:
I
demanded
that
the
Attorney
General
release
all
10,000
emails.
Not
just
you
know,
21
emails
that
these
three
guys
got
and
that
two
of
them
are
merely
passive
recipients.
Well,.
H
Let
me
just
say
a
couple
things,
so
the
first
is
that
you
know.
For
me
this
is
really.
This
has
nothing
to
do
about
with
Kathleen
King.
You
know
Corbett
Milton
Street
any
of
these
other
outside
players.
This
is
really
about
these
three
individuals
who
work
in
the
district
attorney's
office
right
now
with
taxpayer
dollars
and
the
fact
that
some
of
the
emails
that
were
circulated
included.
H
You
know
a
heavyset
african-american
woman,
even
eating
fried
chicken.
You
know,
and
and
of
course
you
know,
a
caption
beneath
it
that
was
demeaning
and
degrading
three
african-american
young
black
women
related
to
as
or
referred
to
as
the
new
Three
Stooges
and,
of
course,
there's
a
hot
ghetto
mess
and
then
there's
the
one
with
the
person
running
with
a
bucket
of
fried
chicken,
because
you
know
we
all
love
fried
chicken
I
guess
so.
H
B
Frank
FINA
is
in
our
civil
Gatien
unit,
so
he
helps
represent
the
District
Attorney's
Office.
When
people
have
seen
fit
to
sue
the
office
or
to
make
Freedom
of
Information
Act
requests,
he
had
been
in
charge
of
the
Criminal
Division
at
the
attorney
general's
office,
so
this
is
a
significantly
different
responsibility.
B
Mr.
Costanza
had
been
the
chief
of
our
Special
Investigations
Unit
handling
police
involved,
shootings,
a
long-term
investigation,
so
him
he's
now
in
AI
Appeals
unit,
a
significant
difference,
different
responsibilities,
but
not
handling
open
criminal
cases,
but
I
spoke
with
you.
You
were
concerned
about
these
people
listening
and
having
impact
over
justice
for
people
who
have
open
cases
for
their
liberty.
So
I
listened
to
you
and
I
made
changes
after
having
spoken
with
you
and
other
members
of
counsel
and
mr.
Blessington
is
in
our
post-conviction
relief
act
unit,
which
is
also
in
our
law.
B
Division,
just
reviewing
cases
in
which
people
have
made
claims
after
they've
been
convicted
and
handling
those
cases
in
appellate
court
and
post-conviction
Court,
so
I
think
that
their
responsibilities,
I,
listened
to
you
and
other
members
of
counsel
and
I
think
I
acted
accordingly.
At
the
same
time,
I
stand
by
my
position
that
too
it
cannot
be
the
standard.
It
will
not
be
the
standard
in
my
office
that
I
will
terminate
people
for
being
recipients
of
emails
five
years
prior
when
their
work
experience
in
the
district
attorney's
office
has
been
nothing
but
exemplary.
H
B
You
no,
we
just
said
again.
We
can
agree
to
disagree
on
this
matter.
I
still
love
you
and
will
work
with
you
and
I
appreciate
you
allowing
members
of
my
staff
to
work
in
your
office
for
our
Community
Action
Center
in
your
office
I.
Think
it's
a
tremendous
worked
in
a
collaboration
between
us,
beginning
that
when
I
had
a
press
conference
that
press
conference
press
release
actually
was
based
upon
when
the
Attorney
General
and
released
information
I
conducted
a
very
thorough
investigation,
oh
yeah
I've
conduct
she
released
it
in
August.
B
You
know:
I
got
a
press,
a
press
conference
on
a
Monday
people
were
upset
that
I
had
it
on
that
Monday
because
they
thought
I
only
did
it
that
day
because
Jill
Nova,
the
national
check,
know
I.
Had
it
yeah,
they've
they'll
know
they
won
a
national
championship.
I
was
trying
to
you,
know,
dump
it
it's
just
you
know
what
I
do
there'll
always
be
second-guessing.
I
understand
that,
but
again
we'll
just
have
to
agree
to
disagree
and
how
we
handled
this
matter.
I.
B
H
E
Its
chairman
district
attorney
Wims
I,
wanted
to
follow
up
on
some
questions
regarding
on
the
choice.
Is
yours
and
there's
some
conversation
this
afternoon
regarding
that,
as
well
as
a
MacArthur
grant
and
know,
councilman
Dom
talked
about
some
additional
funding
for
that
program,
but
I
also
understand
that
through
the
MacArthur
grant,
that
may
be
funding
for
that
program
as
well.
So
can
you
maybe
provide
some
more
information
based
on
your
understanding
on
what
dollars
may
be
coming
to
DA's
office
for
recidivism,
and
the
choice
is
yours,
Hazen,
MacArthur
great,
so.
B
Again,
the
the
acknowledgement
of
the
truly
justice
advisory
board
and
all
the
partners
in
Philadelphia
through
the
award,
the
MacArthur
Foundation's
phenomenal,
the
3.4
million
dollars.
However,
as
I
said
earlier,
you
know
loud
when
you
were
to
look
at
Public
Safety's
funding
for
the
city.
Look
I,
think
Public
Safety
is
probably
a
quarter
of
the
city's
budget
of
what's
called
about
three
billion
dollars,
but
no
none
of
the
money
from
MacArthur
Foundation
is
going
towards.
The
choice.
B
Is
yours,
I'm
very
upset
about
that,
but
this
the
goal
of
this
grant
really
is
to
reduce
the
county,
prison
population
and
the
McArthur
people
at
the
last
minute
believe
that
these
are
individuals
that
should
be
in
state
prison
and
as
a
result
of
that,
additional
funds
were
defunded
that
we
were
going
to
get
from
McArthur.
I
am
thankful
to
say,
though,
that
the
Pennsylvania
Commission
on
crime
and
delinquency,
which
is
chaired
by
Montgomery
County,
Commission,
Chair,
Josh
Shapiro,
has
granted
us
$200,000
for
the
choice.
B
Is
yours
we're
very
thankful
for
that
I'm
very
thankful
again
for
former
Commissioner
girona
and
the
new
prison
commissioner,
who
was
just?
She
was
just
sworn
in
for
the
$50,000
that
they
have
given
us.
But
who
is,
is
a
drop
in
the
bucket
for
a
program
that,
if
expanded,
would
take
a
lot
of
cases
out
of
the
courthouse,
would
save
the
taxpayers
money
and,
most
importantly,
would
promote
Public
Safety
by
reducing
recidivism,
reducing
continued
victimization.
E
Thank
you.
I
also
want
to
thank
you
for
participating
in
our
hearings
that
we
had
earlier
this
month
watching
last
month
in
reference
to
autism
and
autism
awareness,
as
well
as
you're,
stamping
about
in
the
social
impact
bond
we
had
trying
to
identify
this
little
funding,
for
the
choice
is
yours.
Thank
you.
There's
been
some
conversation
earlier
in
the
year
during
the
budget
process
regarding
truancy
and
the
conversation
back
and
forth
during
the
hearings
that
councilman
Johnson
and
Councilman
Jones
head
regarding
youth
gun
violence
and
want
to
get
some
perspective
from
you.
E
B
B
Problems
like
we
have
is
when
the
toughest
jobs,
one
of
the
second
most
difficult
jobs,
I,
would
assume
and
I
perceive
as
being
a
superintendent
of
a
school
district
in
a
large
northeastern
city
like
ours,
with
a
failing
tax
structure
that
we
have
and
almost
a
third
of
our
population
living
at
or
below
the
national
poverty
level.
So
we
were
not
in
any
way
trying
to
be
combative
with
dr.
heit
and
his
staff.
But
the
issue
is
councilman
that
our
statistics
and
what
we
were
being
told
by
dr.
nunnery,
dr.
B
Ackerman,
was
that
close
to
50%
of
the
public
school
students
in
Philadelphia
weren't
graduating,
and
we
do
know
from
our
statistics
that
if
you
are
a
high
school
dropout,
you're
about
eight
times
more
likely
to
go
to
state
prison
and
even
more
tragically
councilman.
Twenty
times
more
likely
to
be
a
homicide
victim,
so
I
believe
that
we
have
to
do
all
that
we
can
to
reduce
true
Z
again
guarantee.
The
initial
pre-k
was
probably
the
greatest
thing
we
can
do
to
prevent
crime.
B
But
you
know
all
we
can
ask
to
reduce
truancy,
will
keep
our
city
safe
and
so
I
believe
we'll
do
all
that
we
can
I
do
know
that
the
Department
of
Human
Services
Family
Court
right.
They
all
provide
a
lot
of
tremendous
and
squit
assha
provide
great
services
for
families
to
reduce
truancy,
but
councilman
Thomas
earlier
did.
Not
only
do
I
do
play
tourism,
but
his
research
and
what
I
found
in
San
Francisco,
where
dr.
Ackerman
have
been
the
superintendent
I
became
the
DA
dr.
B
Ackerman
was
a
superintendent
when
she
was
the
superintendent
of
the
unified
school
system
in
San
Francisco.
Her
partner
in
reducing
truancy
was
Kamala
Harris,
author
of
small
in
crime,
so
I
traveled
to
San
Francisco
prior
to
becoming
the
DA
to
meet
with
Kamala
Harris
and
her
staff
to
see
what
could
we
do
to
replicate
their
achievement
in
reducing
truancy
in
San
Francisco?
Here
many
great
things
they're
doing
here,
but
one
thing
that
they
did
there.
The
dr.
Ackerman
wanted
us
to
do
here
was
what
they
did
in
San.
B
B
Failure
to
do
so
will
result
in
further
consequences
and
those
and
what
they
found
a
San
Francisco
about
95%
of
the
people
that
got
that
letter
talk
to
the
principal,
so
the
school
could
then
provide
school-based
community-based
or
court
based
or
their
children
youth
services
based
services,
because
when
in
the
elementary
school
student
is
chronically
truant,
it's
not
that
fourth
graders
decide
and
decide
that
they
can
stay
home
under
stay
home
for
ten
days
at
a
time.
There's
some
sort
of
dysfunction
in
the
household
that
has
to
be
addressed.
B
Often
the
parent
is
using
that
child
as
a
guardian
for
younger
siblings.
There
could
be
other
issues
in
the
home
that
could
be
abuse.
There
could
be
some
sort
of
addiction
problem.
We
have
to
get
to
the
root
cause
of
that
problem.
My
goal
is
not
to
create
an
entire
wing
at
the
prison
of
the
guardians
of
kids
that
are
chronically
truant,
but
to
be
a
partner
with
the
school
district
for
them
to
use
us
as
the
heavy
pay
you
get
after
that.
First,
let
me
give
you
another
letter
and
you
do
not
respond.
B
The
Principal
Skinner
you
have
ten
days
from
today's
date
to
respond
to
the
district
attorney
deputy
district
attorney
angel
Flores
of
our
Juvenile
Division
fairly.
Do
so
will
result
in
further
action
and
then,
ultimately,
those
have
failed
to
do
that.
We
would
create
a
problem-solving
court
in
family
court
where
those
that
we
agreed
had
that
most
egregious
cases
of
chronic
truancy
for
elementary
age
school
students
that
we
would
then
charge
that
parent
with
endangering
the
welfare
of
a
child.
B
Then
we
bring
them
in
front
of
a
specific
judge
designated
by
family
court,
who
would
hear
those
cases
and
then
provide
them
with
services,
and
if
the
child
then
came
off
the
rolls
as
having
been
chronically
truant
again,
we
would
expunge
their
record.
So
the
goal
is
to
be
another
tool
for
the
school
district
to
use
to
reduce
truancy.
So
I
may
be
a
partner
with
them
in
this,
and
we
have
created
as
partnership
and
collaboration
with
many
charter
schools-
and
it's
been
very
successful.
I
know.
E
That
Bell
is
wrong.
I
just
wanted
a
quick
box
from
the
colloquy
between
your
office
in
a
school
district.
It
was
from
my
understanding
position
of
school
district
that
there
are
now
allowed
by
law
to
provide
that
information
to
you
and
that
they
would
need
I
guess
for
lack
of
better
work
relief
from
First
Judicial
District
to
provide
information
from
your
perspectives
that
correct
or
not
and.
B
B
So
your
doctor,
just
can't
give
out
information
and
I
wouldn't
want
the
schools
just
to
randomly
give
out
information
about
the
child's
health
records
the
child's
grades
there
any
issues
you
there's
a
little
propria
treason
for
the
genesis
in
the
origin
of
FERPA,
but
FERPA
allows
for
mo
use
between
the
school
district
and
law
enforcement,
and
so
we
want
them
to
follow
FERPA
as
they
do
in
San,
Francisco
and
other
municipalities
in
California
and
around
the
country.
Just
to
give
us
the
limited
information.
B
I,
don't
know
if
it
kids
grade,
we
get
the
grades
of
the
kids
that
when
they're
in
the
Lincoln
C
Court,
but
we
just
want
to
know
for
these
kids
that
are
chronically
truant,
the
name
of
the
Guardian
and
the
address.
So
we
can
send
a
responsible
party,
a
letter
but
George
mozi
who's.
My
first
assistant
was
four
years.
12
years
the
deputy
of
our
Juvenile
Division
I
asked
him
to
give
a
little
more
detail
to
that.
F
And
so
this
George
mozi
first
assistant,
so
there's
a
disagreement
between
us
in
the
school
district
about
the
interpretation
of
FERPA.
My
reading
of
FERPA
allows
them
to
appoint
a
law
enforcement
entity
and
that
easily
could
be
their
school
district
police.
The
school
district
police
would
then
have
the
ability
to
share
information
with
another
law
enforcement
entity,
and
that
requires
the
development
of
a
Memorandum
of
Understanding,
an
MoU.
If
the
school
district
wanted
to
share
with
us
what
amounts
to
criminal
justice
information,
which
is
what
truancy
is
truancy,
is
a
summary
offense.
B
I'm
sorry,
mr.
chairman
of
counsel,
agree
I
wanted
to
correct
the
record
for
something
I
said
earlier:
no
money
from
Agartha
was
coming
to
DA's
office
for
the
choice
of
joy,
but
I
was
corrected
that
some
money
is
going
to
Jeb's
for
their
support
of
the
choice
is
yours
but
I'll
get
to
you
and
your
staff.
The
exact
amount
under.
A
You
chairman
and
you
don't
want
to
state
for
the
record
before
we
proceed
with
the
questioning,
it
seems
like
there's
a
lot
more
members
in
the
queue
and
other
departments
are
here
for
their
budget
testimony.
We
will
be
taking
a
short
recess
immediately
following
the
the
questioning
and
testimony
here
with
the
district
attorney's
office.
So
with
that
being
said,
chair
recognizes
councilman
councilwoman
again.
C
Good
afternoon,
who
are
you
District,
Attorney
Williams,
it's
a
pleasure,
and
you
know
we're
looking
forward
to
working
closely
with
you
as
you
negotiate
out
some
of
these
areas,
especially
around
two
and
Sagna,
that
there's
lots
of
issues
that
need
to
be
worked
out.
A
lot
of
concerns
and-
and
my
hope
really
is,
though,
that
the
D
we
all
want
to
take
truancy
seriously.
But
it
is
very
important
that
it's
not
we
don't
move
children
into
a
criminal
system
too
quickly
too
fast,
without
understanding
better.
C
Moving
forward
before
I
get
into
some
of
the
questions,
I
did
want
to
say:
I
wanted
to
reiterate
what
Councilwoman
bass
was
talking
about
in
terms
of
concerns
about
the
three
staff
members-
and
you
know,
I
understand
that
your
resolution
on
this
issue
is
is
what
it
is,
but
I
really
hope
that
your
office
does
not
excuse
behaviors,
that
are
deemed
offensive
and
shocking
and
off
the
charts
in
terms
of
what
was
what
was
disseminated
and
and
received
on
official
email,
because
there
wasn't
a
policy
on
it.
I.
C
C
It's
more
that
we
need
to
know
that
there
are
proactive
policies
in
place
from
the
DA's
office,
that
proactively
reviews
issues
that
sexism,
racism,
homophobia
and
other
types
of
things
that
that
ensure
that
this
does
not
happen,
that
you
are
vigilant
and
proactive
about
it,
and
that
these
are
policies
that
you
clearly
establish
moving
forward.
So
thank.
B
You
and
I
really
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
clarify
that
again
councilman.
So
thank
you
and
I
think
it's
very
important
you're
correct
and
we
are
extremely
vigilant
at
the
district
attorney's
office
to
ensure
that
that
type
of
behavior
does
not
occur
in
our
office
workplace
or
by
our
employees
through
their
social
media.
When
they're
off
duty,
we
have
very,
very
strict
policies
in
our
office.
We
have
very,
we
have
leadership
training
for
all
of
our
supervisors,
monthly.
B
Where
we
talk
about
these
issues
every
month,
we
have
very,
very
strict
policies,
so
I
think
it's
appropriate
because
many
readers
of
the
newspapers
or
blogs
or
people
that
might
be
watching
this
on
television
at
home
today
might
think
that
these
employees
did
it
while
they
were
working
for
the
district
attorney's
office
and
that
we
did
not
have
policies
about
these
issues.
That
is
not
the
case.
They
were
employees
of
the
attorney
general's
office
under
Governor
Corbett
when
he
was
the
Attorney
General
and
they
lacked
the
oversight.
B
They
had
a
poor
culture
that
allowed
these
types
of
things
that
happen.
So
I
think
it's
very
very
important
to
recognize
that
this
is
not
something
that's
happened
under
my
watch
at
the
district
attorney's
office,
or
something
that
the
culture
of
the
district
attorney's
office
would
allow.
We
have
very,
very
strict
computer
use
policies,
social
media
policies,
anti-discrimination
policies,
anti-harassment
policies
that
we
work
in
accord
with
the
law
department
of
the
city
to
ensure
both
of
the
legality
and
the
jutt.
B
C
You
for
giving
the
opportunity
to
clarify
that
yep.
Thank
you
and
just
letting
you
know
that
counsel
on
bass
is
not
alone
in
establishing
the
fact
that,
whatever
the
culture
of
an
office,
maybe
the
concern
remains
that
individuals
can
exercise
judgment
at
every
given
point
in
time
and
and
the
critical
need
for
that
judgment
to
be
exercised
at
all
cost
is
essential.
So
thank
you.
Thank.
I
To
to
get
your
thoughts
on
on
drones,
the
reason
it
comes
up
is,
and
it
is
because
we
have
been
talking
about
for
a
while
security
cameras
and
more
security
cameras
and
the
last
time
I
heard
the
price.
The
price
was
five
thousand
for
camera.
I,
don't
know
if
that's
still
the
price
I
don't
know
if
that's
accurate,
but
the
camera
is
static
and
you
you
know,
and
then
the
problem
we
have
is
you
need
some
way
of
someone
watching
a
bunch
of
static
cameras.
It
might
have
some
limited
mobility.
I
They're
easy
to
avoid
other
jurisdictions
now
are
starting
to
integrate
drones
into
the
use
of
their
policing,
their
firefighting,
their
their
streets
department,
their
L&I
and
and
and
other
types
of
services
when
they
are
when
they're
when
are
integrated
in
that
way.
For
example,
one
of
the
problems
that
we
have
with
limited
availability
of
personnel
is,
for
example,
when
three
fire
alarms
go
off.
You
have
to
pick
which
one
you're
going
to
and
drones
may
be
helpful
in
saying
that
this
is
a
false
alarm.
Something
like
that.
I
I
have
complaints
as
I
go
through.
You
know
various
community
entities
now
doing
the
heroin
opioid
I
was
talking
to
a
neighbor,
a
very
slight
gentleman
who
came
in
from
the
suburbs,
with
his
wife
to
Fishtown.
He
complained
that
they
have
drug
dealers
on
his
porch
that
he
talked
to
them
eventually
moved
to
the
front
of
his
house
and
he's
trying
to
hope
to
get
them
across
the
corner.
I
This
gentleman
is
nobody
that
should
be
confronting
drug
dealers,
okay,
but
he
has
called
and
called,
and
called
the
police
and
he's
just
frustrated
and,
and
so
one
of
the
things
I
thought
is,
you
know,
I
know,
there's
a
limit,
a
limit
amount
of
available
cars
and
officers,
but
drones
also
could
go
out
there.
They're
very
well
marked
they
light
up.
People
see
them
coming
they're
good
for
moving
things
around.
They
record
they
do
all
that
type
of
thing,
I
think
one
of
the
problems
as
we
even
begin.
I
This
discussion
is
stop
and
frisk
and
I
bring
up,
stop
and
frisk,
because
stop
and
frisk
unfortunately,
has
taken
on
this
new
life
in
our
city
and
people
ask
me
councilman:
do
you
support,
stop
and
frisk
as
a
crime-fighting
policy?
I
tell
them
no
I,
don't
because
a
stop
and
frisk
is
not
a
crime-fighting
policy.
I
It's
a
it's
a
evidentiary
decision
that
allows
officers
when
provided
a
reasonable,
articulable
basis
that
a
suspect
should
be
stopped
and
investigated,
but
may
be
armed
and
dangerous
to
stop
them
and
then
frisk
them
to
that
limited
degree
in
whatever
they
find
is
admissible
in
court.
That's
what
I
try
to
explain.
Every
community
meeting
I
go
and
onward
and
wherever
I
go,
but
you
know,
but
anytime
somebody
says:
stop
and
frisk
is
a
crime-fighting
policy.
I
said
that
that's
going
to
be
an
abuse
of
the
Constitution,
you
cannot
proactively
go
out
and
create
these
parameters.
I
However,
the
concern
is
that
the
police
will
abuse
drones,
security
cameras
or
whatever
they
have,
in
particular
in
certain
of
our
communities
where
they've
felt
you
know
the
of
what
they
perceive
and
what
I
agree
is
unconstitutional
actions,
unknowingly
by
police
officers,
who
may
have
been
encouraged
to
do
so.
I,
don't
know
to
what
extent
in
Philadelphia,
I
kind
of
recall
that
was
a
policy
I
know
was
in
New
York.
I
It
may
be
a
possible
solution
that
the
DA's
office
has
some
role
as
in
the
charging
unit,
and
for
those
who
don't
know
a
police
officer
cannot
simply
arrest
you
and
then
bring
it
a
court.
It
has
to
go
through
its
screen
through
the
DA's
office,
with
a
DA's
who
will
look
at
it
objectively,
based
on
the
information
to
approve
or
disapprove.
B
I
B
Counsel
I
want
to
first
thank
you
for
the
hearings
that
you're
conducting
across
the
city
about
opioid
addiction.
We
really
have
to
do
all
that
we
can
as
a
city
to
address
that
scourge
on
our
city.
So
thank
you
very
much
from
the
bottom
of
my
heart,
so
one
you're
talking
about
the
use
of
drones
and
I,
really
never
considered
or
thought
much
about
drones
until
our
office
began
working
with
others,
federal
agencies,
state
agencies,
the
local
police,
to
prepare
for
the
papal
visit.
B
We
refer
to
it
as
polka
Palooza,
and
one
of
the
greatest
concerns
was
the
possibility
of
individuals
going
on
Amazon
and
buying
a
thousand
dollar
drone
and
strapping
some
explosives
to
it
and
just
flying
it
to
the
art
museum
steps,
and
we
were
very
concerned.
Some
cities
like
San
Francisco
and
the
District
of
Columbia,
have
very
strict
unmanned
air
craft
regulations
and
Philadelphia
at
that
point,
I
don't
think
we
did
so
was
the
first
time.
I
really
began
thinking
about
drones
as
it
came
to
public
safety.
B
Your
specific
question,
though,
is
really
more
related
to
just
technology
in
the
police,
department
and
law
enforcement
in
general
and
so
I
every
year,
I
come
before
counts
and
I
often
say
that
god
bless.
You
I
often
say
that
we
have
to
have
as
much
technology
as
the
criminals
do
often
they
have
much
more
technology
than
we
do,
and
so
I
know.
Commissioner
Ross,
when
he
came
here,
you
know
he's
appointed
by
the
mayor
and
he
had
to
be
very
polite,
maybe
with
what
he
said
or
was
limited
with
what
he
said.
B
But
I
have
to
be
a
great
advocate
for
the
police
department
and
have
to
say
that
I
believe
that
they
deserve
more
funding
for
technology,
more
funding
for
their
police
stations
themselves,
more
funding
for
just
the
police
vehicles.
We
really
needed
to
invest
in
Public,
Safety
and
I.
Look
forward
to
working
with
the
mayor.
I
know
he's
inherited
a
budget
in
many
ways
and
the
parameters
from
his
predecessors,
but
I
have
to
be
an
advocate
for
commissioner
Ross,
a
fellow
Central
alum,
as
you
are
I
myself
to
do
all
that
and
mr.
B
Mosely
to
do
all.
That
is
necessary
to
keep
up.
What's
interesting.
We
talked
about
the
drones
or
technology.
The
University
of
Pennsylvania
as
a
result
of
a
tragic
homicide
in
the
90s,
began,
investing
a
lot
of
money
into
public
safety
in
West,
Philadelphia
and
they're
part
of
the
18th
district,
and
that
is
significantly
reduced
crime
in
that
part
of
the
18th
district.
They
have
sound
spotting
cameras
when
there's
a
shot,
fired
cameras
or
done
every
go
to
where
the
sound
came
from.
They
employ
allied
Barton
security.
People
on
bikes
from
8:00
p.m.
until
4:00
a.m.
B
there's
very
well
lit,
as
is
Temple
University's
campus
now,
and
so
the
investment
into
these
technologies
has
dramatically
changed.
It's
called
the
ecology
of
crime.
You
can
dramatically
change
crime
by
and
crime
patterns
by
investing
in
the
environment,
environmental
design
and
so
I.
Think,
of
course,
these
investments
in
technology,
everybody
watches
CSI.
They
think
that
every
police
car
in
Philadelphia
has
cameras
and
that
we
don't,
and
so
we
need
to
invest
in
a
crime
lab
and
all
the
different
facilities
that
would
allow
us
to
reduce
the
backlog
on
ballistics
examinations
and
DNA
examination.
B
In
addition
to
the
drones.
Now
the
question
also
goes
to
the
Constitution
and
the
Fourth
Amendment,
and
you
spoke
also
about
stop
and
frisk,
which
really
is
just
the
embodiment
of
Terry
versus
Ohio,
a
case
that
you
studied
in
law,
school
and
so
did
a
councilman
Green
when
he
was
working
at
the
DA's
office.
Really
the
police
officer,
the
police
officer
has
a
reasonable
articulable
Eve.
That
crime
is
afoot.
B
He
or
she
has
the
absolute
right
to
pat
down
that
defendant
and
then,
if
they
feel
something
that,
as
a
result
of
their
pleat,
their
professional
experience
is
the
this.
You
know
the
form
of
a
weapon
and
they
have
the
right
subject
without
a
warrant
to
take
that
item
out
of
their
pocket
off
their
person.
So
we
can
do
things
to
ensure
that
the
Constitution
is
protected,
that
the
individual
liberties
of
the
defendant
and
that
citizen
is
not
violated
at
the
same
time
ensuring
public
safety.
B
B
A
B
And
councilman
not
to
shirk
my
responsibility
of
trying
to
cooperate
and
answer
questions
with
counsel,
but
the
asset
forfeiture
act
of
the
Commonwealth
of
Pennsylvania
really
prohibits
the
District
Attorney
from
sharing
with
municipal
funders.
What
those
totals
are
out
of
a
fear
that
municipal
governments
will
defund
prosecutors
and
law
enforcement
across
the
state.
For
that
I
can't
say:
I
believe
that
we
have
brought
in
about
50
percent
less
in
the
last
two
years
than
previously,
as
a
result
of
a
lot
of
different
factors
from
us
not
being
able
to
sell
at
auction.
B
God
bless
you
again,
the
public's
concern
of
us
taking
homes
of
innocent
third
parties,
and
so
we
have
instituted
policies
in
our
office
that
have
reduced
the
number
of
those
types
of
cases,
but
at
the
same
time,
councilmen
recognizing
that
almost
daily,
we
get
calls
from
citizens
from
taxpayers
from
council
members
and
your
constituent
services
reps.
That
Philadelphians
are
afraid
of
drug
dealers
and
people
selling
drugs
out
of
homes
that
they
want
us
to
shut
down
a
crack
house
or
a
house
of
ill-repute
that
they
want
something
done.
B
And
so
we
are
caught
in
that
place
of
trying
to
work
with
the
Department
of
Licensing
inspections,
the
police,
to
ensure
that
those
crack
houses
are
shut
down.
But
I
would
like
to
give
a
better
answer
to
you
in
a
more
full
answer.
When
George
Mosley,
the
first
assistant
to
answer
he
for
many
years,
was
the
deputy
of
our
Narcotics
Division
in
hand.
All
of
our
acid
forfeiture
issues
I'm
going
to
ask
them
to
give
a
more
defined
answer
to
you.
F
They've
been
a
drastic
decrease
in
the
amount
of
money
that's
been
recovered
by
virtue
of
seizing
and
the
liquidating
assets
that
were
taken
from
drug
dealers.
I
think
we
all
need
to
remember
that
the
District
Attorney's
Office
is
not
the
sole
recipient
of
such
money
that
we
share
that
with
the
seizing
entity,
whether
it's
the
police
department
or
other
longface.
F
C
F
A
F
A
E
F
E
A
F
It
would
be
the
biggest
mistake
we
could
make
if
you
think
about
a
crack
house
and
what
happens
to
a
community
where
a
crack
house
exists
and
if
you
think
about
just
arresting
people
and
never
doing
anything
about
the
situs
of
the
operation,
then
what
you're
talking
about
is
perpetuating
that
activity
without
making
a
dent
and
the
crime.
That's
the
source
of
all
the
violence
that
makes
property
values
go
down.
F
H
G
H
B
Well,
so
our
office
is
a
primary
funder
for
geographic
base,
victim
service
organizations
throughout
the
city,
and
so
you
know
they
do
a
tremendous
job,
I
think
serving
the
victims.
When
they
come
to
court,
it's
a
very
difficult
job.
They
provide
a
lot
of,
we
need
them,
and
so,
if
your
question
is
are,
is
there
a
varying
range?
You
know?
Does
one
provide
better
services
and
the
other
that's
quite
possible?
We
have
a
very
rigorous
review
every
year.
B
John
Delaney,
who
is
the
deputy
of
my
trial
division,
is
here
he
and
Tammy
Levin,
who
is
charged
at
Victim
Services
in
our
office,
lead
a
committee
that
reviews
all
the
applications
and
I'm
very
confident
in
the
review
that
we
give.
There
are
a
lot
of
organizations
that
I
wish
we
could
fund
I
wish.
We
could
give
money
to
the
mothers.
B
You
know:
they've
lost
children,
then
right
right,
mothers
in
charge
and
Dorothy
Johnson
Speight
right
I
wish
we
could
give
money
to
a
lot
of
great
organizations,
but
we
have
a
limited
budget,
but
the
majority
of
our
budget
that
goes
towards
something
other
than
salaries
of
our
office
goes
towards
funding.
Those
organizations
and
those
organizations
do
Herculean
job
with
the
tasks
that
they
have.
E
Thank
You
mr.
chair
I
just
want
to
follow
up
on
some
other
quick
questions.
Earlier
we
were
talking
with
the
furture
district
district
and
they're
talking
about
creating
a
first
as
a
district
kind
of
elder
center,
and
it
anticipates
off
roll
out
sometime
in
the
early
the
mid
summer
and
hopefully
have
it
fully
up
and
running
by
the
fall
I
know
and
for
mine
standing
in
your
office.
You
also
have
an
elder
this
occurring
that
a
navy
is
specifically
designated
to
work
on
elder
issues.
I
think
that
was
miss
Dixon.
Yes,.
B
So
our
family,
violence
and
sexual
assault
unit
handles
the
majority
of
cases
in
which
family
members
and,
unfortunately
in
Philadelphia,
the
majority
of
people
that
commit
crimes
against
the
elderly.
Our
family
members,
just
like
90%
of
the
people
that
commit
sexual
offenses
against
children,
are
known
to
the
family.
Members.
B
Yes,
but
Ms
Nixon
handles
the
majority
of
the
economic
cases
that
are
the
result
of
elder
abuse
and
we
go
out
and
provide
a
lot
of
support
to
community
groups
and
wants
to
come
out
and
talk
to
them
as
well,
and
we
look
forward
to
working
with
the
first
Judicial
District
in
the
rollout
of
this
facility.
Well,.
B
And
the
majority
those
crimes
councilman,
are
various
forms
of
identity
theft.
Where
people
prey
on
seniors
honesty
and,
like
my
mother,
you
know
people
call
my
mother
soliciting
her
and
she's
so
wanting
to
talk.
They
end
up
hanging
up
on
her
right,
but
people
will
call
and
get
information
from
seniors.
We
all
be
tell
them
not
to
give
anyone
your
your
age,
your
date
of
birth,
your
social
security
number
your
driver's
license
over
the
telephone,
but
majority
those
people
are
victims
of
identity
theft.
E
Also
I'm
in
one
of
my
previous
capacities,
I
was
a
board
chair
for
Senate
in
the
park,
and
recently
a
senator
Park
received
a
contract
from
set
up
a
corporation
of
aging
to
serve
as
an
ombudsman
for
various
senior
centers
in
both
North
West
and
northeast
philadelphia.
To
let
the
members
of
senior
centers
know
that
you
have
a
third
party
entity
you
can
reach
out
to
in
reference
to
any
type
of
abuse
that
you
may
be
having
both
at
home
or
that
senior
center
has
your
office
in
that
year.
E
B
I
believe
that
again,
Ms
Nixon
that
are
Vernon
Price,
who
does
government
and
community
relations
for
our
office,
miss
Monique,
Evans,
West,
Scott
and
representatives
of
our
various
Community
Action
centers.
Our
community
outreach
team,
which
is
led
by
Deputy
District,
Attorney
and
Pont
aeri
Oh
do
reach
out
to
all
those
various
entities
for
educational
purposes
and
to
gather
information,
if
necessary,
for
us
to
prosecute.
E
My
last
question:
it
kind
of
reflects
and
a
follow-up
to
the
hearings
that
councilman
Johnson
Jones
had
regarding
youth
violence,
special
gun,
violence
and
I
know.
There's
been
a
lot
of
litigation
over
the
years,
both
former
councilman
Donna,
Marie,
Miller
counsel,
present
Clarke
was
also
involved.
Litigation
and
reference
to
trying
to
address
through
legal
means,
the
issues
of
guns
in
the
city
of
Adele,
Fennell
and
also
the
town
well
to
some
degree.
E
B
One
I
want
to
thank
councilman
Clark
for
the
introduction
of
legislation
that
would
talk
about,
of
course,
and
locking
guns
and
keeping
the
ammunition
safe,
but
again
state
law
pursuant
to
the
Constitution
to
come
with
a
Pennsylvania,
preempts,
municipalities,
legal,
you
know,
ordinances
and
so
I
think
that
and
I
would
support.
I
know
you'll
be
hearing
from
the
city
solicitor
associate
allanté
soon,
I
support
the
law.
C
You
very
much
mr.
chairman,
so
could
I
wanted
to
follow
up
on
councilman
Jones's
concern
about
victims
and
witnesses?
Could
you
clarify
this
is
just
a
very
quick
question,
but
could
you
clarify
that
the
funding
for
the
Victim
Witness
agencies
will
stay
the
same
stable
for
the
coming
year?
Yes,.
C
But
I
was
curious
about
whether
in
your
work
it
with
placement
and
youth
delinquency,
whether
any
folks
in
your
office
have
talked
about
how
to
ensure
that
the
programs
that
we
use
are
effective
in
achieving
our
goals
and,
in
particular,
reviewing
some
of
these
providers
based
on
some
of
the
outcomes
that
they
get
and
whether
DA's
know,
for
example,
which
youth
might
you
know
our
repeat:
offenders
for
example,
or
come
out
and
and
continue
to
have
issues
after
being
in
the
care
of
some
of
these
placement
providers.
Yeah
I
think.
B
It's
important
to
recognize
that
again
we're
very
thankful
to
have
a
great
partnership
with
dr.
heit
I
go
to
approximately
one
or
two
schools
a
week
to
talk
to
middle
school
students
and
elementary
school
students
about
staying
in
school
and
about
bullying.
I.
Think
bullying
is
a
great
way
to
begin
a
conversation
with
kids
about
crime
prevention,
about
conflict
resolution
and
by
keeping
them
out
of
the
criminal
justice
system.
B
I'm
very
thankful
as
a
result
of
the
leadership
of
George
mozi
that
our
office
now
files
juvenile
petitions
less
than
2/3
of
the
numbers
that
we
did
in
the
past.
But
I
asked
George
to
follow
up
and
give
you
a
little
more
detail,
but
we're
trying
to
do
as
much
as
we
can.
We
try
to
get
federal
grants
so
that
we
can
use
empirical
data
and
analyze
what
we
do
at
the
district
attorney's
office
and
in
conjunction
with
analyzing,
what
other
providers
do,
and
so
we're
constantly
trying
to
do
that.
B
F
Prosecutors
in
our
office
are
required
to
stay
with
the
case
from
its
inception.
To
the
end.
That
means
that
any
time
a
young
person
is
placed
there
will
be
review
hearings
and
we
have
a
prosecutor
present
for
each
and
every
one
of
those
review
hearings.
What's
important
is
that
we
have
continuity
so
that
every
prosecutor,
who's
handling
a
review
hearing
knows
what
happened
before
that.
F
So
we
require
that
these
agencies
provide
reports
now,
in
conjunction
with
the
Department
of
Human
Services,
we
make
sure
that
the
reports
indicate
that
the
youth
has
been
receiving
the
services
that
the
agency
promised
it
would
give.
What
we
do
with
the
Department
of
Human,
Services
and
other
stakeholders
in
juvenile
justice
is
convene
meetings
and
those
meetings
are
appropriately
called
the
court
and
community
services
providers
meetings
to
review
these
providers
to
make
sure
that
they're
holding
up
their
end
of
the
bargain.
If
they're,
not,
then
we'll
we'll
cut
off
referring.
Yes,.
C
Young
people
and
its
treatment
of
young
people
in
their
care
and
DHHS
has
made
some
indication
that
that
they
have
some
level
of
understanding
about
what
outcomes
might
look
like,
but
it's
not
clear
whether
they
share
it
with
the
different
areas,
and
your
department
in
particular,
would
be
able
to
track
some
of
these
youth,
particularly
if
they
do
repeat
offenses
or
have
other
kinds
of
issues.
Though
they'll
come
under
you
and
I
guess.
C
Part
of
it
is
being
able
to
work
with
different
agencies
to
be
able
to
retrack
and
be
able
to
do
a
good
assessment
of
the
types
of
providers
that
we're
doing.
These
are
expensive,
out-of-state
placements,
where
young
people
go
away
from
their
families,
and
we
want
to
make
sure
and
ensure
that
the
outcomes
that
these
providers
have
are
the
kinds
of
quality
outcomes
that
we
want
to
see.
So
would
just
like
to
be
able
to
continue
this
conversation
with
your
office
on
that
level.
But
I
have.
F
To
say
that
whenever
you're
talking
about
outcomes
and
juvenile
justice
that
relate
to
what
happens
after
somebody
goes
into
placement,
remember
that
aftercare
and
re-entry
is
critical.
And
so
before
you
put
all
the
blame
on
the
placement
facility,
make
sure
that
we
had
adequate
re-entry
programming
because
that's
where
we
sometimes
go
wrong
and
it
would
be
unfair
to
blame
the
negative
outcome
on
the
placement
facility.
C
Yeah
well,
I
mean
those
are.
Those
are
things
that
we
need
to
review
and
take
a
look
at
in
terms
of
assessing
whether
those
contracts
will
sell
all
the
mission
that
they
need
to
be
doing
as
well
and
I.
Think
that
that's
a
big
gray
area
but
would
love
to
be
able
to
work
with
your
office
on
that
person.
F
A
Thank
You
Councilwoman
are
there
any
other
questions
for
the
district
attorney
before
we
take
a
break.
I
just
want
to
say
a
couple
things
quick
before
we.
We
end
this
this
hearing
here,
you
know
in
regards
to
the
conversation
and
your
attention
to
the
seniors
and
being
victimized
in
many
many
different
ways.
Intimidation
being
you
know,
impersonations
bank
fraud,
be
it's
horrendous
and
and
I
think
it's
a
disgrace
right
that
that
seniors
have
to
be
fearful
and
that
we
have
to
to
continue
to
sharpen
our
tools.
A
As
you
know,
the
the
criminals
use
their
technology
to
you
know
further
victimize,
you
know
the
general
public
and
and
the
most
vulnerable,
which
are
which
are
our
seniors.
So
you
know
I
I
would
love
to
work
with
your
office
and
figure
out
ways
how
to
elevate
a
certain
that,
at
a
certain
threshold,
a
victim,
a
senior
victim
of
crime,
be
elevated
to
a
hate
crime
here
in
the
city
of
Philadelphia.
So
I
look
forward
to
having
those
conversations
in
the
future.
A
B
You
counsel
I
would
like
to
thank
you
and
all
the
members
of
council
I
want
to
thank
council
president
Clark
for
his
ongoing
partnership
with
us
to
keep
the
city
safe
and
again,
while
my
name
is
on
the
letterhead
on
the
windows
at
our
office.
I
have
a
small
role
to
play
at
our
office.
I
really
want
to
thank
again
the
600
men
and
women
that
work
in
our
office.