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Description
Meeting of Council's Committee of the Whole to hear testimony on the following bills/resolutions: Bill Nos. 160170, 160171, and 160172 & Resolution No. 160180 regarding the FY2017 Capital Budget.
Testimony from:
Keir Bradford-Grey, Chief Defender
http://phlcouncil.com/FY17-council-budget-center
A
B
B
Afternoon
counsel
and
share
my
name
is
Kira
Bradford
gray
and
the
chief
public
defender
for
the
defender,
Association
of
Philadelphia
here
with
me
today
is
mr.
James,
McHugh
first
assistant
defender
and
miss
Kristen
mule
are
a
chief
financial
officer
at
the
defender.
Association
I
wanted
to
bring
a
PowerPoint
with
me
today
to
kind
of
illustrate
the
services
that
we
provide
because
I
know
it's
it's
easy
to
talk
about
it,
but
to
show
it
is
much
more
demonstrative.
But
before.
B
That
was
given
at
all
if
they
get
other
people
who
are
not
here,
but
okay,
no
problem
so
before
I
begin.
I
do
want
to
talk
about
how
extremely
grateful
and
excited
I
am
to
be
back
in
Philadelphia.
At
this
time,
I
mean
this
is
a
time
for
criminal
justice
reform
and
in
criminal
justice
reform.
I
think
we
are
recognizing
across
the
country
and
across
the
nation
that
we
cannot
in
carcery
our
way
to
public
safety
and
that
we
need
to
look
at
more
responsible
and
common-sense
reforms.
B
So
I
would
be
remiss
if
I
did
not
thank
President,
Council,
Clark
and,
of
course,
councilman
Jones
for
all
their
work.
By
bringing
a
resolution
for
criminal
justice
reform
committee
that
will
help
us
achieve
a
system
that
is
fiscally
responsible,
meaning
that
it
uses
the
taxpayer
dollars
wisely,
fundamentally,
fair
that
we
can
reduce
bias,
because
we
have
a
lot
of
challenges
with
that
in
our
criminal
justice
system
and,
of
course,
and
last
but
not
least,
one
that
promotes
public
safety
and
I
am
really
happy
to
rob.
B
Be
able
to
illustrate
how
the
defender
Association
services
pretty
much
serves
all
those
goals
and
how
we
can
do
more
of
that
in
the
future.
We
do
need
some
some
increases
in
our
budget
to
be
able
to
do
that
and
we'll
talk
about
that,
but
before
I,
even
get
into
my
ass
I
will
get
into
how
your
this,
this
councils
appropriation
for
fiscal
year,
2016
how
the
return
on
investment
was
twofold.
B
For
2016,
the
appropriation
was
41
million,
seven
hundred
fifty
three
thousand
nine
hundred
forty
nine
dollars
and
as
a
standalone
agency,
we
are
a
501
C
3.
I
I'm
sorry
501
3c
nonprofit
corporation,
that
use
a
services
contract
with
the
city
to
provide
legal
representation
for
those
who
cannot
afford
to
hire
a
lawyer.
We
also
have
service
a
contract
with
the
city
to
provide
legal
representation
to
children
in
our
child,
child
welfare
agencies
that
are
considered
abused
and
neglected,
and
that
is
about.
B
We
are
contracted
with
the
city
to
do
about
sixty
percent
of
that
work
and
I
think
from
fiscal
year
or
calendar
year
2015
we
represented
over
4,000
children
in
that
area.
So
that's
going
to
be
something
that's
very
important,
I'm
kind
of
waiting
for
the
point
to
start
here,
but
before
we
do
I
will
just
go
into
a
little
bit
about.
We
got
top-notch.
B
Okay,
I
really
appreciate
your
time
and
attention
to
this.
What
I
want
to
in
LA,
but
what
this
PowerPoint
once
we
get
it
rolling
roll
history
is
the
okay.
Thank
you.
The
monetary
amount
of
the
return
on
name
the
on
investment
from
the
city's
investment
into
just
go
to
the
first
slide,
get
like
the
first
slide.
Sorry,
the
city's
return
on
investment
for
for
our
office,
the
41
million
dollars,
as
we
did
data
analysis
drama
through
our
efforts
with
the
MacArthur
grant.
B
We
found
that
we
saved
the
city
by
our
cert
by
their
our
model
and
service
delivery.
We
saved
the
city
over
the
amount
of
money
that
was
appropriated
in
fiscal
year
2016
also
there
are
other
initiatives
and
programs
that
we
have
engaged
in
that
have
saved
millions
of
dollars
as
well.
I
do
also
want
to
show
that
our
representation
goes
beyond
the
courtroom,
so
some
of
our
programs
and
initiatives
and
in
the
delivery
of
services
that
we
engage
in
through
our
holistic
model
of
representation
does
so
does
further
many
societal
values.
B
That
I
don't
think
many
people
understand.
So
that's
why
we
brought
this
PowerPoint
today
to
kind
of
illustrate
that
point
directly.
Now
our
practice
areas
include
child
advocacy
and,
like
I
said
they
are,
they
abused
and
neglected.
Children
or
children
are
deemed
to
be
abused,
neglected
children,
we
work
a
hand
in
hand
with
the
city,
solicitor's
office
and,
of
course,
DHS
in
that
area.
B
We
can
talk
about
trends
in
power
and
in
patterns
that
contribute
to
the
continued
to
continued
cycle
that
we
saw
in
our
child
advocacy
representation,
and
we
can
look
at
where
are
the
gaps
and
services.
So
I
think
that
this
is
a
huge
opportunity
for
our
office
to
have
this
spectrum
of
representation
that
will
provide
a
wealth
of
information
for
City
Council
and
as
well
as
other
criminal
justice
stakeholders,
a
juvenile
delinquency
representation
is.
We
represent
children
between
the
ages
of
10
years
old
and
18.
B
It's
an
unfortunate
you
know,
age
to
be
involved
in
a
criminal
justice
system.
But,
however,
we
see
many
kids
that
are
in
that
in
a
in
our
system
in
that
age
range.
Of
course,
we
do
adult,
promote
representation
and
I
know
that
I'm
by
good
food
here
councilman
Jones
did
not
understand
that
we
did
represent
people
that
are
accused
of
misdemeanors,
so
just
in
case
anyone
else
and
city
council
does
not
understand
that
I
want
to
make
that
point
clear.
B
We
represent
criminal
prosecutions
for
adults
and
misdemeanors
already
up
to
capital
capital
capital
cases,
and
that's
for
a
year.
You
know
your
murder
murder
cases
where
capital
punishment
is
imposed.
You
got
I
broke
down
our
areas
of
representation
by
districts
so
that
you
see
have
the
impact
that
we
have
on
your
constituent
base
and
you
have
a
number
sorry.
B
No
matter
here
so
by
district
1-
and
this
is
just
for
a
calendar
year
and
we
look
at
all
of
our
clients
by
the
zip
code
that
they
provided
at
the
time
of
the
arrest,
and
so
we
look
at
district
1.
We
represented
7,000
a
little
over
seven
thousand
of
your
constituents
district
to
4,800
district
3,
4300
district
for
3700
district
5
7,000
over
7,000
district
6,
almost
5,000
district
8
a
little
over
eight
thousand
district
nine,
but
over
3,000
and
district
10
1,900.
B
So
you
see
that
we
have
a
large
impact
on
a
lot
of
your
constituents,
and
this
is
just
in
one
fiscal
year.
We
didn't
go
back
many
other
years
to
see
how
many
different
people
that
we
represent
it,
but
this
is
just
in
one
fiscal
year
that
the
criminal
justice
system
has
impacted
many
people
that
are
represented
in
your
your
districts.
B
So
what
I
want
to
do
is
talk
about
the
defender
association's
national
reputation.
Our
national
reputation
allows
us
to
attract
lawyers
from
all
over
the
country
from
various
top
law
schools.
Some
of
them
come
here,
relocate
and
contribute
to
Philadelphia's
tax
base.
However,
we
are
also
able
to
keep
good
lawyers
that
are
coming
from
the
Philadelphia
school
systems.
Of
course,
you
see
Drexel
Villanova,
temple
upenn.
Those
types
of
schools
are
really
able
to
keep
good
lawyers
here
to
do
the
work
that
they
want
to
do
for
the
communities
that
they
love.
B
Now,
of
course,
as
we
are
understanding
now,
legal
defense
has
dramatically
shifted
over
the
past
decade
and
I.
Do
I
want
to
thank
Seth
Williams,
our
district
attorney
Seth
Williams
for
recognizing
the
need
for
the
prosecution's
not
sure
to
change
as
well,
because
what
he
has
done
is
recognize
the
fact
that
it's
not
just
enough
to
shuffle
people
to
the
criminal
justice
system
and
say
have
a
good
life,
but
you
actually
have
to
provide
them
some
rehabilitative
services,
so
they
can
be
better
productive
citizens
for
their
communities
and
I
hope
to
increase
public
safety.
B
So
I
do
want
to
say
that,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
that
you
know
that,
while
Seth
Williams
has
the
power
and
control
to
help
okay,
some
of
these
diversionary
programs,
the
work
that
is
involved
in
it
requires
a
load
of
effort
from
the
defense
counsel
and
mainly
the
defender
Association
of
Philadelphia.
We
will
go
through
what
that
work
entails,
because
that
is
going
to
be
a
part
of
why
we're
asking
for
some
of
our
budget
increases.
B
We
are
bringing
to
our
defender
Association,
it's
not
just
addressing
the
legally
needs
in
the
courtroom,
but
it's
going
beyond
that
and
addressing
all
the
needs
that
that
they
come
before
us
with
the
social
needs,
as
well
as
some
of
the
Civil
deeds
or
civil
issues
that
are
affected.
When
one
is
impacted
by
the
criminal
justice
system.
We
have
right
now
an
opportunity
to
collaborate
with
CLS
to
do
more
training
for
our
lawyers
to
understand
when
our
swim,
civil
remedies
or
civil-
I
guess
not-
remedies
civil
benefits
are
impacted
by
the
criminal
justice
system.
B
These
are
situations
where
many
of
our
clients
and
muslim
don't
know
that,
but
many
of
our
clients
are
actually
made
more
desperate
by
very
short
stays
in
the
criminal
justice
system
because
it
affects
their
housing.
It
affects
medical
Bennett's
benefits,
it
affects
mental
health
benefits.
It
also
affects
like
sing
and
sometimes
child
in
a
parental
custody
rights.
So
all
these
things
are
affected
that
we'd
never
used
to
really
deal
with,
and
we
are
now
doing
just
that.
I
think
we
went
to
that
right
there
and
go
ahead.
B
So
when
we
talked
about
the
work
of
the
criminal
justice
committee
in
the
very
beginning,
the
work
that
City
Council
is
very
engaged
in,
and
it
very
interested
in
making
sure
that
we
have
a
system
that
promotes
fiscal
responsibility
using
taxpayer
dollars
wisely.
I
do
want
to
stress
that
the
defender,
Association
services
and
model
does
just
that.
B
But
for
the
work
that
the
defendant
did
and
kind
of
try
to
develop,
planning
and
developing
and
under
an
identifying
needs
for
alternative
sentencing
into
the
community.
So
just
last
year
alone
we
filed
1756
early
parole
petitions,
ninety-four
percent
of
them
were
accepted
by
the
courts
and
were
granted.
These
people
were
put
released
with
the
community
plans,
saving
an
average
of
thirty-nine
days
in
jail
for
all
17
1700
people,
estimating
a
cost
savings
on
prison
cause
of
6.7
million
dollars.
Now
I
work
with
MacArthur.
B
We
are
planning
to
expand
that
by
at
least
400
petitions,
which
will
give
us
an
estimated
savings
of
about
8.2
million
by
the
end
of
FY
17.
So
that
is
a
huge
savings
generated
by
the
work
that
we
do
to
ensure
that
our
clients
are
actually
we
understand
their
issues
and
we
understand
how
to
address
their
needs.
Better,
rather
than
over,
incarcerating.
B
Some
of
the
most
impressive
information
that
we
have
was
based
on
data
analysis
that
was
discovered
through
our
work
on
the
MacArthur
grant
and
through
that
data
analysis
we
learned
that
the
defender
associations,
model
and
representation
style
was
was
deemed
to
have
disposed
of
cases
much
earlier
than
any
other
player
in
the
criminal
justice
system.
So
through
MacArthur
grant
the
MacArthur
Foundation's
information.
B
We
found
that
the
we
took
a
snapshot
of
our
incarcerated
of
our
incarcerated
clients
and
we
found
that
the
defender
Association
actually
disposes
of
cases
in
93
days
as
opposed
to
court
appointed
counsel
that
disposes
of
their
cases
229
days
when
you
calculate
the
savings
of
that
you
know
differential
by
using
even
a
moderate
assessment
of
prison
costs,
which
is
about
$95
per
day.
We
are,
as
your
savings
amount
of
Mark
I'm.
Sorry.
B
Receive
as
a
mother,
12
thousand
per
person,
which
averaged
40
4.5
million
dollars
that
those
are
those
are
actual
estimates
based
on
actual
data
that
was
given
to
us
through
the
Mikasa
foundations
efforts,
as
well
as
using
some
of
our
university
of
penn
research,
our
arms
and
assistance
to
help
look
at
our
services,
as
opposed
to
other
peoples
in
the
system.
That
right
there
alone
is
a
full
return
on
your
investment
for
your
contract
services.
Without
with
our
office
and
I
mean
we
will
talk
about
even
more
things
that
we're
doing
but
I'm
sorry.
B
That's
all
right,
but
that's
why
we
were
defenders,
are
pretty
much
used
to
this
anime
event.
In
any
event,
we're
just
showing
the
savings
in
the
return
on
the
investment
by
using
the
defendant
contractor
with
the
defender
Association.
We
do
our
work
where
you
employ
our
training,
that
we
employ
the
model,
as
well
as
the
talented
lawyers
and
other
professionals
that
we
use
and
our
interdisciplinary
team
help
us
provide
this
type
of
representation
to
your
citizens.
A
B
Ok,
if
that's
ok,
I
just
well
you
let
me
just
get
to
these
really
quickly.
I
just
want
to
talk
about
our
work
and
helping
to
reduce
the
bias.
This
is
a
really
important
subject
that
I
don't
know.
If
many
people
understand
that
we
do,
we
have
a
huge
issue
with
bias
in
our
criminal
justice
system.
We
cannot
ignore
that
we
look
at
a
snapshot
of
Philadelphia
alone
and
the
disparity
is
huge,
so
some
of
our
work
includes
work
that
goes
beyond
the
courtroom,
but
it
also
starts
for
community
engagement.
B
B
When
you
looked
at,
we
collected
our
data
just
on
our
juvenile
system,
and
we
looked
at
the
number
of
adjudications
of
x
delinquency.
We
saw
the
if
you
see
the
pie
graph,
the
african-american
youth
are
represented
almost
ninety
percent,
more
than
any
other
population.
There
are
about
3,000
petitions
that
were
going
into
our
juvenile
justice
system
and,
even
though
the
numbers
for
juvenile
arrests
were
down,
the
disparities
remain
constant,
but
so
the
defender
with
all
of
our
data
and
all
of
our
information
and
our
engagement
with
our
clients
and
communities.
B
We
started
to
take
this
information
to
the
to
the
sources
which
were
the
police
departments
and
try
to
come
up
with
solutions.
We
formulated
a
corporation
called
the
disproportionate
minority
contact
corporation,
which
designs
to
engage
minority,
youth
law,
minority
youth
and
law
enforcement
and
meaningful
conversations
around
negative
contact
in
their
communities.
So,
like
we
saw
the
other
day
in
the
town
hall,
with
the
stop
and
frisk
these
keys,
youth
engagement
forms
are
much
more
progressive
much.
They
come
much
more
positive
outcomes
and
solution.
Driven
results
come
out
of
these
these
of
these.
B
In
these
forms,
and
by
our
presence
in
that
in
that
area,
we
have
the
community
the
public
trust
as
well
as
stakeholders,
trust.
We
also
sit
down
and
we
prepare
the
community
for
what's
expected
and
how
do
we
move
from
the
point
of
aggression
to
the
point
of
progression
and
I?
Think
we
do,
we
do
a
lot
of
work
there.
We
also
have
taken
our
model
and
created
a
statewide
DMC
forum,
where
we
have
secured
funding
through
pc
CD
to
help
communicate
effectively.
B
Law
enforcement
in
affected
communities
on
our
model
and
that
began
in
philadelphia
and
now
has
moved
to
a
pot.
Ride
has
also
been
demonstrated
on
the
national
stage,
two
of
our
youth
that
have
participated,
our
lawn,
that
our
youth
forms
have
been
invited
to
the
White
House
to
demonstrate
some
of
this.
These
initiatives
that
we
engage
in
here
and
Philadelphia.
So
lastly,
I
just
want
to
talk
about
the
fact
that
our
holistic
model
does
help
reduce
recidivism
and
promote
Public
Safety.
B
Our
budget
requests
do
come
in
some
of
the
forms
of
parody
when
we
look
at
parity
and
we're
talking
about
parity
with
all
of
our
other
legal
departments.
Here
I
know
we
are
not
part
of
city
government
per
se,
but
and
being
in
not
being
a
part
of
city
government
we're
not
engaged
in
the
city's
pension
plan.
So
our
employers,
you
do
not
pay
for
our
employees
after
they
retire
from
the
defender,
Association
or
after
they
leave.
B
But
while
they
are
here,
our
salaries
are
dramatically
lower
than
any
other
department
and
in
this
in
the
city,
and
so
that's
something
that
we
is
causing
a
tremendous
burden
on
our
office,
where
it's
taxing
our
resources
for
training.
But
it's
also
creating
a
high
attrition
rate
for
the
lawyers
that
we
attract
to
come
here
and
your
fear
of
our
offices
of
lawyers
retention
in
our
office.
We
experienced
a
61
percent
turnover
rate
because
of
this.
The
inequities
and
salaries
with
the
district
attorney's
with
the
district
attorney's
office,
as
well
as
with
the
law
department.
B
I.
Think
if
you
go
back
Jose
to
the
salaries
when
we're
looking
at
our
salaries,
and
we
look
at
year
for
a
year
for
defender
attorney
at
the
defender,
Association
makes
an
average
of
fifty-four
thousand
dollars
while
year
for
attorney
at
the
district,
attorney's
office
makes
a
little
over
seventy
thousand
dollars
and
we
looked
at
those
errors
based
on
what
was
on
the
public
information
in
the
public
website.
That
is
a
huge
salary,
dis
battery
disparity
and
when
you
look
at
the
work,
that's
involved
to
making
this
system
more
efficient
and
effective.
B
The
public
defender's
office
and
the
lawyers
that
do
this
work
have
just
as
much
work
load
requirement
that
the
district
attorneys
have,
and
so
for
that
we
would
be
asking
for
an
increase
and
I
budget
to
make
up
for
some
of
the
salary
priority
that
we
have
been
in
discussion
with
the
managing
director's
office
to
help
us
achieve
over
a
four-year
period.
I
think
last
year
with
the
previous
administration,
I
know
that
it's
not
binding
this
administration,
but
with
the
previous
administration
there
was
an
agreement
to
bring
us
into
some
parity
by
2016.
B
We
were
supposed
to
be
appropriated
an
extra
two
million
dollars
for
salary
parity.
We
did
not
get
that.
We
received
1
million
dollars
in
4
2016.
We
received
nothing,
so
we
will
be
asking
for
council
to
look
at
that
closely
when
you're
looking
at
the
work,
especially
in
this
era
of
cooler
justice
reform,
we
were
some
information.
Our
services
and
our
mission
and
model
are
so
valuable
to
that
and
I
would
ask
that
the
City
Council
take
it
really
take
a
close
look
and
in
and
really
think
about.
B
A
A
C
C
Joe,
this
is
one
of
the
better
presentations
I've
ever
seen
and
I'm
going
to
tell
you
why,
because
everybody
comes
in
here
asking
for
more
money,
but
what
you
quantify
was
that
rate
of
return
on
investment
that
equals
those
greater
than
the
initial
budget
allocation
and
in
particular,
oh,
my
too
I
paid
attention
to
the
fact
that
you
can
save
or
have
saved,
based
on
stays
in
state
road
and
other
places,
44.5
million
dollars,
that's
real
money.
If
I
recall.
Mr.
C
president,
we
gave
the
school
district
that
amount
one
year
the
entire
school
district
we
gave
them
about
43
million,
it
might
have
been
so
had
we
followed
this
trend
and
kind
of
may
be
reinvested
in
justice
on.
We
might
have
done
a
lot
better.
The
other
thing
that
comes
come
on
is
that
folks
must
do
this,
for
it
hauling,
yes,
cuz
ain't
doing
it
for
the
peg,
obviously
not
they're
doing
it,
because
they
there's
something
deep
inside
of
them
on
that
they
are
so.
C
Having
said
those
things,
I
wanted
to
ask
you
a
few
questions
and
particular
one
that
I
found
out
about
up
at
gratis
fruit,
and
there
is
a
lawsuit
that
has
petitioned
the
court
to
to
release
juvenile
lifers,
yes,
that
were
convicted
and
that,
mr.
president
is
going
to
have
a
dramatic
impact
on
Philadelphia.
It's
my
understanding
that
some,
where
in
the
neighborhood
of
300
of
them,
yes,
are
headed
back
to
Philadelphia
alone,
absolutely,
and
so
were
so.
How
many
of
those
were
your
case
is.
Can
you
give
me
some
insight
on
that?
Well,.
B
This
is
where
the
defender
Association
really
steps
up
and
helps
the
city
with
some
of
the
obligations
that
are
mandated
by
the
Constitution.
Our
obligation
was
to
represent
six
out
of
the
300
juvenile
life
without
parole
returning
citizens,
but
we
took
we
knew
that
our
model
was
was
one
that
it
would
be
very
effective
and
efficient.
B
So
we
took
the
liberty
to
step
up
and
enter
our
parents
in
about
225
of
those
cases,
and
so
with
that,
we
wanted
to
make
sure
that
these
cases
were
done
correctly,
because
we
knew
Philadelphia
Pennsylvania
we're
going
to
have
a
spotlight
on
them.
These
are
going
to
be
a
very
difficult
population
to
manage.
We
have
the
infrastructure
and
the
training
and
the
resources
to
do
so.
B
We're
also
given
more
resources
by
the
city
to
help
us
in
this
effort,
because
we
take
it
on
an
obligation
that
we
did
not
have
to
with
that
in
the
resources
that
we
were
given.
We
were
actually
able
to
achieve
parity
in
our
salaries,
because
it
was
recognized
that
the
work
that
had
to
go
into
them
were
of
equal
value
of
that
of
the
district
attorneys.
So
our
lawyers
in
that
negotiation
process
were
able
to
achieve
patterning
parody,
based
on
the
recognition
of
service
and
in
work.
B
Initially,
six,
we
only
had
six
juvenile
lifers
that
were
in
greatest
photo
of
other
state
facilities,
but
we,
the
others,
were
represented
by
some
form
of
court,
appointed
counsel
or
private
counsel.
We
recognize
the
fact
that
one
as
you
can
see
the
fact
that
we
only
had
six
shows
that
we
knew
how
to
do
it
right.
That's.
B
C
About
it,
you
know
people
stereotype,
I
got
a
public
defender,
I've
heard
it
in
barber
shops
around
the
city
of
Philadelphia,
but
the
truth
be
told.
If
you
only
knew
you
would
go
with
a
gun,
that's
used
to
shoot
and
not
somebody
to
help
unattended.
I
don't
mean
better.
Now
you
would
go
with
a
person.
Get
bad.
I
did
better
in
and
out
well,
I
think.
C
B
Only
that
I
think
we're
there
was
a
study
done
on
our
defender.
Associations
model
is
called
the
rand
study.
I
think
it
was
done
a
few
years
ago
that
really
touted
our
model
as
a
national
standard,
a
model
of
representation
and
I'm
talking
about
it
more
so
in
a
homicide
unit
as
a
model
of
national
representation,
where
many
of
the
people
that
we
represent
their
dispositions
are
final,
so
you're
not
going
to
see
a
whole
lot
of
pcr,
azor
or
I'm.
B
C
B
Rest
of
our
lawyers
did
receive
a
raise
is
when
the
last
administration
made
good
on
one
of
its,
but
you
know
part
of
its
promises
to
pay
us
parody.
We
were
able
to
give
our
lawyers
and
our
staff
a
two
percent
race
and
I
know
when
you're
looking
at
some
of
the
salaries
that
we
have
starting
salary
48,000.
These
are
for
some
lawyers
that
come
from
Harvard
and
Yale
and
temple
and
Villanova
two
percent
raise
is
almost
unnoticeable.
B
B
Well
I
mean
when
you
say
a
lot
more
with
a
lot:
less
I,
our
representation
of
cases
exceed
the
national
standards.
I
mean
we
represent
an
hour
misdemeanor
courts
alone.
We
run
our
lawyers
represents
800
cases
in
the
national
standards
of
400.
So
even
with
that
burden,
our
office
is
still
able
to
get
case
dispositions
on,
but
answering
your
question
specifically.
B
C
Chair
I
missed
my
last
statement.
I
was
totally
also
in
a
barber
shop
and
I
get
a
lot
of
good
information
for
my
Barber's
was
that
the
reason
why
people
make
deals
is
because
they've
spent
so
much
time
on
state
road
that
their
desperation
to
get
out
makes
them
take
less
than
just
sentences
and
end
deals.
Do
you
find
that
to
be
true?
Oh
that's.
B
B
That's
that's
generally
how
it
goes
because
they
believe
it
that's
a
quick
fix,
but
what
we're
seeing?
What
we're
trying
to
work
with
communities
to
help
them
to
help
inform
them
is
that
the
criminal
conviction
has
such
more
of
a
more
drastic
effect
than
the
stint
in
prison.
The
collateral
consequences
are
real.
B
B
Floating
sentence
would
be
a
huge
benefit
to
the
city
because
they
will
allow
for
the
release
the
pretrial
release
of
those
who
are
accused
of
a
crime
low-level
offenses
to
start
going
somewhere
to
be
held
to
be
accountable
and
to
start
looking
at
areas
where
they
can
work
on
some
of
the
issues
that
brought
them
into
our
system.
A
lot
of
these
people
that
we're
talking
about
that,
we
utilized
a
reporting
centers
low-level
offenders,
which
are
your
drug
use,
your
retail
theft.
B
Some
of
the
you
know
the
small
property
crimes
that
are
better
handled
by
community
health
experts
and
other
professionals
versus
using
our
prison
systems
or
overuse
of
our
prison
systems
to
deal
with
our
social
ills.
And
so
these
are
the
things
in
the
kind
of
data
and
trends
and
patterns
and
information
feeds
that
the
defender
Association
forever,
can
bring
to
the
table
of
reform
and
better
policy
and
practices,
because
we
represent
those
who
are
directly
affected
by
it.
Thank.
A
D
You
very
much
mr.
chairman,
it's
bad
for
gray
into
your
staff.
I
just
want
to
acknowledge
what
heroic
work
you
and
your
team
do
every
day,
especially
given
the
limited
budgets
and
salaries,
but
we
know
that
for
the
most
needy
of
people
in
the
most
desperate
of
circumstances,
were
it
not
for
the
defenders.
Association
justice
would
definitely
not
be
served.
Thank
you.
B
D
Just
want
to
acknowledge
and
thank
you
for
the
representation
you
strive
for
and
that
you
know
some
of
my
questions
are
a
little
bit.
Therefore,
I
think
we
made
very
clear
about
what
the
incredible
disparity
and
paid
that
there
is,
and
the
question
would
be
that
you
know
we
know
also
that
sustainable
pay
is
necessary
not
only
just
to
retain
stuff,
but
it's
part
of
the
moral
obligation
to
provide
right
to
counsel
if
we
are
not
paying
folks.
While
we
are
not
fulfilling
our
obligation
to
give
folks
a
full
right
to
counsel.
D
B
D
B
A
request
for
we
are
making
a
request.
They
were
further
down,
but
that's
ok,
I
will
make
the
request.
Now
we
were
making
the
request.
I
know
I
will
defer
to
a
Christian
mule,
our
chief
financial
officer,
about
our
plan
for
pay
parity
that
was
negotiated
or
that
we're
in
discussion
with
the
directive,
energy
director's
office,
but
in
fact
we're
asking
for
what
we
did
not
get
in
2016,
which
was
the
extra
million
dollars
that
was
promised
to
us
and
our
four
year
plan
to
achieve
pay
parity.
B
B
B
A
You
can
yes
on
over
the
past
two
years,
15
and
14,
we
received
five
hundred
thousand.
We
were
in
discussions
with
the
past
administration,
the
when
we
did
a
parody
study.
We
came
up
with
a
total
of
six
and
a
half
million.
They
agree
to
fund
two
million
by
2016
and
they
they
gave
us
five
hundred
thousand
and
2015
and
five
hundred
thousand
and
twenty
fourteen.
So
for
a
request
for
2017
we're
asking
for
that
additional
1
million
dollars
that
was
initially
discussed
with
the
previous
administration
and.
D
B
However,
we're
going
to
be
in
negotiations
and
discussions
with
this
administration
on
how
to
achieve
parity
over
a
certain
period
of
time,
I
think
it
would
be
critical
for
us
to
help
for
I
would
ask
for
your
help
in
achieving
parity
and
in
more
of
a
short
order,
because
of
all
the
work
that
the
defense
will
have
to
do.
And
you
know
in
this
effort
for
MacArthur
grant
and
our
challenges
for
criminal
justice
reform.
It's
going
to
call
on
our
defendant.
D
And
as
you
as
we
work
and
talk
and
continue
to
have
discussions
about
pay
parity
for
the
defenders
association,
one
of
the
areas
that
I
hope
that
you'll
take
a
look
at
is
it
is
the
salary
differentials
between
your
white
and
minority
staff.
It
is
about
twelve
thousand
dollars
differential
on
average
and
almost
fifteen
thousand
dollars.
I
believe,
differential
in
terms
of
a
median
salary.
Is
that
something
that
you
can
take
a
look
at
and
get
back
to
us
on
in
terms
of
how
you
would
hope
to
narrow
that
absolutely
luminate
it
we've
just.
B
Hired
a
chief
chief
operating
officer
who
will
help
us
understand
our
pay
scales
and
our
pay
equity
and
we
are
we're
depth.
That
is
something
that
is
high
on
my
priority
list
to
make
sure
that
we're
paying
everyone
equal
value,
nothing,
not
just
minorities,
but
also
men
and
women.
That
is
something
that
is
very
near
and
dear
to
me,
and
I
will
make
every
effort
to
do
that.
I'm,
confident.
D
In
you,
can
you
one
of
the
most
exciting
things
I
thought
that
you
presented
today
was
the
holistic
approach
that
the
defenders
association
takes
in
terms
of
identifying
the
impact
of
detention
on
how
it
impacts
an
individual's
housings,
Mental,
Health,
employment,
public
benefits,
family
custody
rights
and
all
those
things
yeah.
This
seems
like
a
very
important
model,
something
that
is
we're
seeking
to
develop
I'm
sure
through
the
through
various
foundations
and
grants.
It
seems
like
this
is
something
that
you've
already
developed.
D
B
So
we
on
the
services
side,
we
need
to
training
and
that's
where
we
can
engage
in
that
right
now.
However,
in
order
to
understand
our
impact
and
look
at
what
we're
doing
to
communities
to
clients
to
their
families,
we
really
need
to
be
able
to
have
a
more
robust
data
collection.
We
did
ask
for
set
a
budget
increase
for
up
two
hundred
thousand
dollars
for
to
provide
us
with
software,
so
that
we
can
collect
data
to
show
trends
and
patterns
that
are
costing
us
more
money
and
making
people
more
desperate.
B
I
think
we
just
learned
that
a
stint
in
jail
of
35
days
or
more
cuts
off
a
lot
of
essential
public
benefits
that
are
really
it's.
It's
it's
unnecessary
for
that
to
happen,
but
if
we're
understanding,
how
often
that
happened
in
the
impact
of
that
I
think
we
can
do
better
job
with
our
policies
in
our
practice.
A
D
Don't
have
any
further
questions,
but
just
wanted
to
say,
as
councils
created,
a
new
committee
on
children
and
youth
and
I'm
proud
to
be
part
of
that.
As
chair
and
working
with
my
colleagues,
this
area
that
you're
working
in
around
juvenile
justice
child
advocacy,
especially
some
of
the
more
painful
situations
involving
child
abuse.
We
love
to
be
able
to
partner
with
the
defenders
association
in
ways
in
which
we
can
bring
those
issues
or
concerns
to
light.
D
D
B
Huge
area
that
we
find
that
it
were
we
we
can,
if
we
really
get
it
right
down,
that
in
I,
think
we
could
save
our
own
our
own
little
justice
costs
on
the
back
end
and
I'm
talking
about
starting
with
the
child
advocate
you
area
where
we're
child
welfare
proceedings.
Looking
at
the
gaps
there
very
much.
Thank.