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Description
Meeting of Council's Committee of the Whole to hear testimony on the following bills/resolutions: Bill Nos. 160170, 160171, and 160172 & Resolution No. 160180 regarding the FY2017 Capital Budget.
Testimony from:
Dave Perri, Commissioner of Licenses and Inspections.
http://phlcouncil.com/FY17-council-budget-center
B
Afternoon,
council
president
Clark
and
members
of
City
Council,
my
name
is
David
Perry
Commissioner
of
the
Department
of
licenses
and
inspections
joining
me
today.
Our
curt
McLaren
administrative
services,
director
and
Rebecca
Swanson,
our
director
of
research
and
analysis
I,
am
pleased
to
provide
testimony
on
the
department
of
licenses
and
inspections
fiscal
year.
Twenty
seventeen
operating
budget
department
of
licenses
and
inspections
is
committed
to
making
philadelphia
the
nation's
leader
in
building
safety.
B
L&Amp;I
enforces
Philadelphia's
construction,
property
maintenance
and
fire
codes,
which
set
forth
the
legal
responsibilities
that
come
with
property
ownership
and
participation
in
the
construction
process.
Our
mission
is
to
promote
public
safety,
first
and
foremost
across
all
of
our
core
functions,
which
include
issuing
licenses
and
permits
inspecting
construction
projects
to
ensure
compliance
to
all
plans
and
operable
codes,
enforcing
the
property
maintenance
code,
fire
code
and
designated
business
regulations
and
rapidly
responding
the
building
and
construction
emergencies
in
fiscal
year.
2017
Ellen
I
will
enter
the
second
year
of
an
implementation
plan
designed
the
strength
in
the
department.
B
As
we
sharpen
our
focus
on
public
safety,
Ellen
I
will
reorganize
to
establish
a
division
of
building
safety
devoted
to
construction
and
demolitions,
and
we
will
hire
an
additional
24
building
inspectors
who
will
strengthen
the
department's
enforcement
of
construction
codes
from
the
plan
review
stage
through
final
inspection.
Another
35
building
inspectors
hired
in
fiscal
years,
15
and
16
are,
in
the
final
stages
of
training
to
obtain
required,
certifications.
Together.
These
new
inspectors
will
begin
to
move
the
department
closer
to
optimal
staffing
levels.
B
The
house,
the
growing
staff
of
building
inspectors
department,
will
establish
two
new
district
offices
in
fiscal
year.
17
specific
locations
at
a
new
offices
have
not
yet
have
yet
to
be
finalized,
but
we
but
will
be
determined
based
on
where
the
greatest
amount
of
new
construction
and
development,
as
measured
by
volumes
a
permits
issued,
is
taking
place.
B
In
total
Ellen
eyes.
Budget
request
provides
for
37
new
positions
which,
in
addition
to
the
new
building
inspectors,
include
staff
to
enforce
business
regulations
and
inspect
existing
buildings
for
code
compliance.
L&Amp;I
operations
will
be
furthered
strengthened
by
ten
new
positions
within
the
law
department
and
the
office
of
innovation
and
Technology
the
fiscal
year
17
budget
includes
nearly
9
million
dollars
for
demolition.
Three
years
ago,
the
city
had
over
600
imminently
dangerous
properties.
Today
we
have
cut
that
number
to
264
structures
by
aggressively
demolishing
buildings
to
pose
a
public
safety
threat.
B
By
also
contending
with
the
reality,
the
Philadelphia's
aging
building
stock
continues
to
deteriorate.
We
are
on
track
to
demolish
more
than
500
properties
by
the
end
of
this
year,
which
we
believe
will
allow
us
to
meet
our
goal
of
decreasing
the
number
of
imminently,
dangerous
properties
to
fewer
than
250.
We
are
also
on
track
than
this
fiscal
year.
Having
performed
2,100,
clean
and
seal
of
vacant
properties.
B
In
fiscal
year,
15
Ellen
I
demolished
495
buildings
and
performed
2,175
clean
and
seals
at
fiscal
year
17
the
department
will
implement
technology
improvements
that
will
result
in
more
efficient
and
effective
operations,
both
internally
and
for
the
public
project.
Eclipse,
a
capital
funded
data
system
within
OIT
will
improve
the
department's
ability
to
store,
retrieve
and
review
data
and
will
prove
particularly
useful
for
inspectors
in
the
field
will
be
able
to
pull
up
building
information
in
real
time.
B
Inspectors
will
also
be
able
to
upload
information
into
the
system
from
outside
the
office,
including
time-stamped
photos
and
geocoded
information
that
is
critical
in
code
enforcement
proceedings.
Other
benefits
of
eclipse
include
new
online
system
for
obtaining
or
renewing
permits
and
licenses
and
better
access
the
tax
compliance
data,
which
could
in
turn,
result
in
improved
revenue
collection
for
the
city.
Since
the
implementation
of
eclipse
in
January
2015,
an
electronic
interface
with
the
revenue
department
has
been
established
to
more
efficiently
flag,
license
applicants
with
delinquent
taxes.
B
To
date,
a
total
of
six
million
650
1568
dollars
has
been
collected
in
delinquent
taxes
as
a
result,
including
1
million
two
hundred
fifty-eight
thousand
nine
hundred
and
thirty-two
dollars
collected
since
January
2016
L&I
is
also
partnering,
with
OIT
on
an
innovative
and
initiative
that
is
incorporating
sophisticated
aerial
and
street
level.
Imagery
mapping
data
mining
and
computer
modeling
to
help
identify
potentially
vacant
properties
and
prioritize
inspections
and
demolitions
of
dangerous
buildings.
B
This
technology
is
particularly
important
because
it
captures
data
not
observable
from
the
street
level
and
allows
the
department
to
predict
vacancy
and
prioritize
enforcement
of
properties
most
at
risk
to
the
public
safety
relatedly.
The
department
is
also
investing
in
structural
engineering
services
to
obtain
third-party
expert
analysis
of
the
inventory
of
unsafe
and
imminently
dangerous
buildings.
The
hard-working
employees,
an
L
and
I
are
committed
to
their
focus
on
public
safety
and
I
commend
them
for
their
daily
efforts.
B
A
A
Let
me
ask
you
a
couple
of
basic
questions:
kind
of
walked
down
the
street,
talk
to
the
residents
kind
of
question
in
our
district.
You
know:
we've
had
a
significant
number
of
demolitions
and
unfortunately
years
past
I'm,
not
sure
about
the
treatment
of
the
side
wall,
whether
it
was
sufficient
and
I
think
at
one
point
in
time
there
was
like
no
treatment
of
the
sidewalk
below
the
dirt
line,
so
obviously
water
seeps
into
the
ground
that
subsequently
runs
into
the
person's
property.
But
I
understand
that
was
changed
it
sometime.
A
B
A
Two
years,
yes,
is
there
a
particular
reason
why
that
timeline
or
is
from
a
zip
code
perspective,
because,
unfortunately,
you
know
we
seem
to
run
into
people
say
well.
This
was
done
like
four
or
five
years
ago,
and
now
I'm
getting
water
in
my
basement
is
a
two-year
threshold
for
a
particular
reason.
Now.
A
B
A
Weird
answer:
question
about
so
you'll
get
back
to
me
on
that
right.
Yes,
I
want
to
ask
you
a
question
about
an
issue
that
I've
been
challenged,
that
I've
been
having
for
forever
and
again.
I
represent
one
of
those
districts
that
there's
been
a
lot
of
demolitions
and
unfortunately,
when
you
knock
the
house
down,
you
got
the
vacant
lot.
A
You'll
see
soon
bunch
of
rain.
Last
two
days
and
Sons
out
now,
I
guarantee
you
by
the
end
of
the
week,
there's
going
to
be
weeds
growing
up
on
those
lights.
So
I've
had
this
issue
with
respect
to
the
ability
to
require
an
abatement
of
the
cleaning
of
weeds
or
cutting
of
weeds
on
these
vacant.
Lots
treatment
and
there's
been
different
issues
as
it
relates
to
one
the
cbn
to
the
required
time.
A
From
my
perspective-
and
I
know,
I've
talked
about
the
fact
that
if
you,
if
it
snows
and
within
six
hours-
and
I
might
be
off
on
a
time-
you're
required
to
have
a
30
foot
or
30
inch,
I'm
sorry
30
inch
footpath
on
your
sidewalk
am
I
correct
about
36,
actually
36.
Okay,
like
six
hours,
you
got
to
get
that
done
right.
If
you
put
your
trash
out
on
the
wrong
day,
you're
going
to
get
bang
with
one
of
those
trash
tickets
right
crying
or
if
you
don't
do
recycling,
so
the
rules
are
clearly
established.
A
So
what
I
understand
if
you
say
that
if
you
have
a
vacant
lot
and
the
weeds
should
be
no
taller
than
24
inches
or
whatever
it
is,
is
specific,
then
why
do
we
have
to
wait
30
60,
90
days
before
we
can
issue
a
lien
or
some
sort
of
corrective
action
on
that
on
that
particular
property,
as
opposed
to
all
the
other
instances
were
admitted
to
take
where
immediately
ready
to
take
remediation
actions
on
that
particular
issue.
Well,.
B
With
with
any
violation,
we
have
to
notify
the
property
owner
that
that
the
property
is
in
violation
and
give
them
an
opportunity
to
abate
the
problem
themselves
that
that's.
Why
there's
a
delay
from
when
the
problem
is
initially
reported
to
us
until
such
time
as
we
can
then
get
into
an
abatement
mode,
and
do
it
ourselves
and
lean
the
property
I
mean.
Ideally,
we
want
property
owners
to
step
up
and
be
responsible
and
mow
the
property
take
care
of
the
weeds,
keep
it
clean.
A
A
Issuance
of
a
violation
and
a
fine,
why
why
some
things
that
we
can
do
immediately
based
on
the
set
of
guidelines
or
standards
or
requirements,
but
others
like
the
creating
the
vacant
lot?
If
you
know
the
vacant,
lots
must
be,
they
cannot
have
weeds
beyond
24
inches
and
again
I'm,
not
sure.
That's
it,
then
why
can't
we
issue
an
immediate
violation:
ie
fine
on
that
property,
but
there's
two
types:
what's
the
difference,
yeah
I
guess
I
need
to
know.
Why
do
you
not
get
noticed
to
clean
your
sidewalk?
A
B
There's
two
different
enforcement
mechanisms:
one
is
issuance
of
cbn,
which
is
a
code
violation,
notice
or
ticket.
Basically,
the
person
that
pays
that
ticket
is
admitting
to
guilt
and
making
any
further
action
against
that
property.
Go
away
so
they're
admitting
that
there
was
a
problem
and
if
they
don't
choose
to
challenge
it,
they
simply
pay
the
ticket
and
that's
the
end
of
that
enforcement
action.
There's
also
notices
of
violation
that
we
issue
when
we
need
to
go
in
there
and
do
the
abatement
action,
so
it
centers
around
the
legal
process.
B
A
B
A
That's
fine
but
I'm,
saying
the
responsibilities
for
the
person
to
challenge
I.
Just
don't
want
to
say
if
I
can
give
you
a
ticket
for
not
moving
your
snow
immediately.
Why
can't
I
give
you
a
ticket
for
not
compliant
depending
non-compliance
of
the
cool,
with
respect
to
how
you're
maintaining
your
vacant
lot,
because.
B
What
basically
happens
is
that
the
the
case
goes
away
at
that
point.
If
we
just
issue
a
ticket,
we're
not
going
to
abate
it
we're
not
going
to
do
anything,
we're
just
put
a
ticket
against
the
property,
whereas,
if
there's
high
weeds
on
the
property
or
debris,
we
need
to
spend
our
own
resources
to
go
out
there
and
clean
that
up.
B
So
we
want
to
be
in
a
legal
position
that
where
we
can
recover
our
costs
for
doing
the
abatement
action
that
that's
what
the
difference
is,
we
could
issue
a
ticket,
but
then
we're
not
going
to
do
the
abatement.
If
you
want
to
do
the
abatement,
you
have
to
issue
the
code,
violation
notice
and
not
a
ticket.
Okay,.
A
So
that's
the
first
time
anybody
has
ever
explained
it
to
me
like
that
it
was
always.
We
can't
do
it.
So
the
issue
is:
if
we
anticipated
somewhere,
we
will
have
to
obey
tit.
Then
you
need
to
position
yourself
to
do
that.
Remediation,
based
on
the
issuance
of
a
cvn
that
that's
correct,
all
right:
okay,
no
cows,
Mohini.
C
Just
for
my
own
clarity,
and
just
by
listening
to
the
conversation
not
over
the
differences
between
the
cv,
n
and
n
nov,
and
what
I'm
trying
to
figure
out
just
why
this
this
dialogue
is
a
no
veas.
Are
they
because
they
are
on
real
property
or
persons
property,
as
opposed
to
the
right
away
when
CBN's
or
issued
for
snow
and
for
street
for
trash?
Is
there
an
Nov
zishy
for
high
weeds,
which
you
know
to
whether
it's
a
vacant
lot
or
somebody's
front
yard
is?
B
As
nothing
to
do
with
where
the
the
problem
is
it
the
cbn
process
started,
maybe
I
was
aware
of
it.
Maybe
12
years
ago
it
was
a
way
of
trying
to
get
compliance
for
simple
issues.
Diet
ever
done
in
your
behavior.
Try
to
change
the
behavior
that
that's
correct,
as
opposed
to
trying
to
set
us
up
legally
to
do
an
abatement
and
then
collect
the
the
cost
for
our
services.
C
C
B
The
other,
the
other
difference
is
that
I
mean
streets
department
issues
mainly
CBN's,
as
opposed
to
Nov
s
because
they
don't
have
access
to
the
court
system
like
Ellen
I
does.
If
we
wanted
to
get
a
person
in
court
and
try
to
get
higher
fines
imposed
for
a
particular
violation.
We
have
to
do
that
through
the
Nov
process,
whereas
streets
department,
it's
very
efficient
for
them
to
issue
CBN's
and
move
on,
they
simply
don't
have
access
to
the
court
system
like
like
L
and
I
does
right.
A
D
D
Obviously,
if
your
department
comes
out
and
clip
there's
a
big
bill
with
it,
but
what
you're
actually
trying
to
do
if
it
would
work,
is
to
get
the
actual
property
owners
say
you
know
what
this
is
not
good.
I
don't.
I
don't
want
to
get
these
people
all
riled
up.
Let
me
cut
this
myself.
I
mean
my
point.
Is
it
could
be
quicker
I?
D
I
think
the
department-
and
we
as
counsel
or
to
take
a
look
at
this,
because
when
you
have
a
lot
that
is
overgrown
that
can
also
be
overgrown
on
the
public
foot
way
it
could
be
and
it
can
grow
and
be
disruptive
for
a
lot
of
reasons,
but
also,
if
you
let
the
homeowner
or
the
property
owner
know
early
hey.
This
is
a
serious
issue.
You
better
clean
it
up.
You
might
actually
get
compliance
by
the
person
themselves.
D
You
might
not,
and
clip
may
eventually
have
to
go
in
and
do
all
the
other
things
and
then
put
a
lien
on
the
property
which
I
believe
at
some
point.
The
city
will
get
paid,
even
though
it
might
take
years
and
years
and
years
I
mean
but
I
think.
Eventually
you
you
you
get
your
money.
I
would
be
interested
in
exploring
possible
legislation
to
do
both.
D
You
know
if
a
weed
or
someone's
lawn
is
two
to
three
feet
high,
while
they're
not
maintaining
it
properly,
and
there
are
to
be
an
immediate
response
from
the
city
to
clean
this
up
where
things
could
happen,
but
right
now
it's
I,
don't
know
if
you
don't
shovel
your
snow.
What
is
it
a
thirty
dollar,
fine
or
50
I,
don't
know
what
it
is
exactly,
but
the
fact
of
the
matter
is,
you
could
start
the
process
with
that
get
their
attention.
Nothing
comes,
then
continue.
The
the
other
way
I
mean
I.
D
B
E
You,
mr.
chairman,
good
afternoon,
everybody
I'm
caught
beautiful
questions.
Business
compliance,
wise
Commission,
I,
know,
we've
talked
about
this
before
you.
The
idea
is
to
try
to
do
most
of
like
renewal
of
licenses
or
apply
for
licenses
and
permits
online
is
that
is.
B
E
B
E
B
We
have
I
believe
it's
eight
different
languages.
Yes,
eight.
We
have
employees
that
that
are
bilingual
in
multiple
languages.
We
also
use
the
language
line
for
translation
when
needed.
You
call
off
a
language
service
and
when,
when
put
the
person
on
speakerphone-
and
you
can
get
a
translation
into
multiple
languages
of.
F
E
Said
one
bull,
please
Chrissy!
Thank
you.
As
far
as
I
know,
we've
gotten
questions
from
folks
that
need
to
the
food
licenses.
It
seems
to
take
a
long
time
now.
I
may
not
have
this
right.
I
know
your
department
has
a
part
of
this
and
health
as
a
part.
Could
you
explain
because
it
is
it
health
and
in
specs,
and
then
you
give
the
license
or
vice
versa,
yeah.
B
The
health
department
does
all
the
inspections
and
all
the
approvals
associated
with
the
issuance
of
the
of
the
various
food
licenses
that
are
out
there
we
essentially
or
the
clerk
of
the
works.
We
we
process
them.
We
have
the
the
software,
we
have
the
ability
to
take
the
payments,
but
all
the
inspections,
all
the
approvals
or
health
department
approvals.
G
Thank
You
mr.
chairman
I'm
good
afternoon,
the
Commissioner
of
welcome
back
to
L
and
I
I
know
when
I
was
in
the
private
sector.
He
was
a
guy.
We
would
always
would
call
to
get
the
right
answers
so
I'm
on
blade,
you're
heading
LMI
today,
that's
great
I
think
they'll
benefit
from
your
leadership
experience
as
well
as
your
great
judgment.
I
have
a
few
questions.
G
B
Or
our
revenue
projection
for
the
coming
fiscal
year
is
approximately
58
million
dollars
of
58
I'm.
Sorry,
it's
54
million
dollars.
I
stand
corrected
the
the
permit
fees
for
for
various
construction
activities.
They
were
actually
put
together.
Maybe
ten
years
ago,
back
prior
to
10
years
ago,
we
the
department,
we
charge
a
percentage
of
the
constructed
value
of
a
building
undergoing
a
renovation,
and
it
would
be
about
two
percent
of
the
construction
value
that
would
become
your
permit
fee.
B
The
department,
then,
would
have
major
disputes
with
with
various
builders
over
what
the
true
value
of
the
construction
activity
is.
There
were
forms
that
were
submitted
that
we're
not
quite
accurate
and
contracts
reviewed,
so
we
got
away
from
assessing
permit
fees
based
on
estimated
cost
of
construction
and
moved
over
to
permit
fees
based
on
the
area,
that's
undergoing
renovation
or
construction.
So
there's
no
dispute
as
to
the
the
area
of
the
size
of
the
building.
B
Those
things
are
easily
measurable,
as
opposed
to
debating
over
what
the
true
value
of
construction
is,
so
those
fees
were
established
about
ten
years
ago.
The
only
problem
with
establishing
fees
that
are
based
on
square
footage
is
that
they're
basically
frozen
in
time
in
terms
of
they're,
not
inflation
indexed.
So
we
are
just
starting
to
look
at
our
permit
fees
again
to
see
if
they
are
in
line
with
other
permit
fees
and
other
jurisdictions,
and
whether
it
makes
sense
to
raise
permit
fees
to
make
sure
that
we
have
adequate
funding
for
various
activities.
G
I'm
continuing
that
question
there
was
a
court
case
rom
versus
tredyffrin
township
that
established
the
fact
that
fees
charged
by
government
entities
for
licenses
and
permits
must
be
calculated
on
the
general
basis
of
recovering
the
full
costs
of
the
services
provided
by
the
municipality
administering
the
process
of
providing
for
it.
Whether
it's
the
plan,
examination
of
the
field
of
inspection
of
a
building
permit
is,
is
there
a
way
that
you
can
come
back?
Wasn't
it's
80
s,
look
we're
charging
we're
not
charging
correctly.
You
need
to
come
charge.
G
Okay,
great
another
question:
in
the
past,
it
seems
like
there's,
been
a
lack
of
sufficiently
skilled
part
of
your
term,
especially
skilled
inspectors,
and
a
decrease
in
the
existing
inspectional
staff
by
prior
administrations.
Have
you
given
any
thought
to
utilizing
the
provisions
of
the
state's
uniform
construction
code
that
allows
state
certified
and
regulated
independent
inspectional
agencies
to
supplement
their
in
special
steps
to
ensure
thorough
and
timely
inspections?
Here.
B
B
For
instance,
crane
inspector
the
department
had
done
an
enormous
amount
of
outreach
and
effort
to
try
to
hire
a
crane
inspector
to
no
avail
I
think
in
and
for
that
particular
circumstance
it
would
make
sense
to
use
a
third
party
or
to
have
an
engineering
firm
under
contract.
They
can
provide
us
with
that
expertise
as
needed
in
general.
B
I
want
to
say
that
for
things
such
as
plan
review,
I
believe
or
an
hour
review,
staff
is
the
it
is
the
best
in
the
country
and
I
would
love
to
utilize
our
own
examiner's
to
the
maximum
extent
possible.
I
would
only
consider
going
beyond
that
with
if
we
were
in
dire
straits
or
had
a
situation
where
we
couldn't
hire
and
the
volume
of
work
was
so
overwhelming
that
we
needed
a
relief
in
order
to
meet
our
service
level.
Agreements
for
issuing
the
issuance
of
permits
do.
G
You
have
the
ability
now
to
go
outside
and
hire
a
third
parties
to
help
you
you
have
that
ability.
Now.
Yes,
we
do.
Okay,
good
one
last
question:
I'll
come
back.
It
seems
like
there's
a
lot
of
unpermitted
construction
activity
and
unlicensed
business
activity
in
the
city
today,
especially
in
the
residential
housing
market,
which
results
in
uninspected
residential
units
and
the
loss
of
rental
licensing
fees
are
the
city.
G
B
B
We
are
moving
to
put
or
trainees
collocate
them
with
our
building
inspectors
and
one
of
the
trainees
roles,
because
they
are
if
you're
in
the
trainee
category.
You
can't
do
a
full
performance
building
inspection,
but
they
can
be
utilized
to
do
inspections
in
areas
and
look
for
and
look
for,
unpermitted
construction
activity.
Okay,.
C
Councilman
I
have
a
few
questions:
it'll
quell
to
Matt
Domm
hit
on
quite
a
few
things.
You
talk
about
our
fees
here
in
the
permit
fees.
You
know,
as
you
look
at
best
practices
and
where
we,
where
we
are
relative
to
other
big
cities
and
municipalities.
You
could
obviously
find
out
that
we're
well
at
this
point,
and
you
know
recapturing
the
underground
economy,
where
we
just
don't
have
enough
inspectors
and
there's
a
lot
of
work
being
performed
out
there.
The
penalty
for
for
being
caught
without
a
permit
is
what
double
the
permit
fee.
That's.
B
Now
I
opted
check
to
see
if
we
double
the
zoning
permit
fee.
The
zoning
permits
are
relatively
minimal,
but
it's
really
in
the
construction
permits
that
that's
a
significant
penalty
so
to
speak
or
reinspection
fee.
We
have
to
classify
those
kinds
of
fees,
asree,
inspection
fees
as
opposed
to
a
fine
or
penalty
I.
C
Think
we
should
certainly
take
a
look
at
our
fees
again
and
you
know
consider
increasing
them
it
bit
there
further
your
for
the
good
agents
and
actors
that
are
out
there
instead
of
the
underground
economy,
that
you
know,
we've
been
here
over
the
last
several
years:
it'll
double
the
permit
fees
and
double
the
zoning
fees.
That's
a
catch
me!
If
you
can
it's
a
part
of
doing
business
and
in
the
city
philadelphia.
C
What
now
with
no
real
consequence
in
changing
behavior,
so
I
know
as
you
reform,
and
you
have
a
tremendous
amount
of
reform
and
ahead
of
you
and
we
all
you
know
or
counting
on
you
to
there,
because
you
know
you
are
the
true
essence
of
first
responders
in
public
safety,
I
think
when
it
when
it
comes
to
building
construction
and
building
maintenance.
So
you
know
I
hope
you,
you
know
we
could
consider.
C
You
know
taking
a
look
at
what
are
other
steps
legally
or
do
we
have
to
do
something
with
the
state
on
the
uniform
construction
cold,
so
we're
not
preempted
with
permit
double
permit
fees
or
zoning.
There
needs
to
be
harsher
consequences.
You
know,
of
course,
with
a
a
grievance
process
or
an
appeal
process,
but
people
can't
get
away
with
trying
to
build
Philadelphia
without
you
know,
licensed
contractors
without
being
a
not
a
1099
which
is
against
the
law.
All
right.
C
You
need
to
be
an
employee
one
on
a
one
up
on
a
project
and
pulling
permits
so
I'm
hoping
we
get
there
as
as
we
move
forward.
You
talk
about
the
the
amount
of
work
that
you
had
mentioned.
Inspectors,
page
31
you're
in
your
testimony.
You
have
budgeted
for
threat
and
eighty
four
positions
and
only
filled
330
all
right.
So
that's
a
little
bit
of
concern
and
do
you
know
the
ratio
per
property,
real
property
and
inspectors
that
we
have
now.
B
C
E
E
C
C
York
in
their
two
divisions
have
roughly
2,300
inspectors
and
they
have
just
under
a
million
real
properties.
So
and
I
have
point
that
out.
It's
not
the
critique
at
all,
it's
to
say
that
you
got
a
heck
of
a
job
in
front
of
you,
and
it
goes
to
your
point
that
we
need
more
inspectors
and
it
needs
to
be
a
priority,
because
I
can't
imagine
the
caseload
that
they
have
in
the
responsibility,
especially
over
recent
in
the
recent
years.
So
whatever
we
can
do,
however,
we
can
work
together.
C
C
B
C
H
H
I've
had
a
great
opportunity
working
with
you
and
your
former
life
as
the
streets
commissioners,
so
I'm
looking
forward
for
you
looking
forward
towards
you're,
doing
great
work
under
Ella,
nine
and
new
capacity,
so
I
want
to
start
off
by
just
saying
any.
We
are
going
to
be
supportive
of
those
efforts.
Don't
hesitate
to.
H
For
you,
so
how
do
you
go
about
prioritizing
in
allocating
your
inspectors
throughout
the
city
of
Philadelphia
I'm?
Going
to
give
you
the
backdrop?
There's
a
high
level
of
development
taking
place
and
the
point
breeze
greatest
R
a
part
of
my
district,
and
we
had
a
community
meeting
a
couple
months
ago
with
the
various
r
cos
and
the
questions
came
up
as
to
how
Aaron
I'll
inspectors
are
distributed
throughout
neighborhoods
with
is
a
significant
amount
of
developments
taking
place
them.
So
we
made
a
commitment
to
actually
do
our
research
and
not
due
diligence.
H
H
B
The
number
one
priority
is
to
fund
and
have
sufficient
number
of
inspectors
that
are
involved
in
our
demolition
program,
so
that
the
the
contractual
services
unit
they
handle
doing
all
the
inspections
for
all
demolitions
in
the
city
of
Philadelphia,
whether
they're,
philadelphia
city
of
philadelphia
contracted
work
or
whether
its
private
work,
those
demolitions,
obviously
the
most
dangerous
construction
activity.
We
have
more
priorities
to
make
sure
that
those
projects
are
covered
first.
H
H
E
Good
afternoon
councilman
Kirk
McLaren
Administrative
Services
Director.
We
performed
an
analysis
in
terms
of
the
as
the
Commissioner
stated,
the
most
busy
parts
of
the
city
in
terms
of
permit
volumes
over
the
last
three
fiscal
years
and
I
can
say
point
breeze
was
number
one
in
terms
of
how
we
split
up
the
new
inspectors.
E
H
Of
those
new
district
offices
probably
be
great
in
the
point
breeze
area
of
South
Philadelphia,
but
I
just
wanted
to
just
touch
peace,
because,
obviously
you
know
we
want
to
ground
our
city
development
taking
place.
I
live
in
point
breeze.
I
get
the
phone
calls
because
I'm
the
council
person,
so
it
may
be
a
little
easier
than
me
to
reach
out
to
someone
and
say:
hey:
can
you
come
out
and
follow
up
and
make
sure
that
this
project
is
being
done
on
properly
but
obviously
want
to
advocate
for
the
district
as
a
whole
and
this?
H
How
clip
will
be
expanded,
I
think
our
planet,
preliminary
conversations
that
the
budget
will
be
increased.
Will
they
only
be
a
northeast
philadelphia
program?
Will
it
expand
throughout
all
parts
of
the
city
of
Philadelphia,
as
the
mayor
talked
about
on
pride
of
them
coming
to
the
city
coming
to
office?
Let's
want
to
get
idea
where
we're
at
in
terms
of
really
addressing
the
issue
of
light
and
addressing
the
issue
of
lots
that
need
to
be
a
beating.
Last
I
need
to
be
cleaned,
and
so
it's
give
me
an
idea
where
we're
standing
moving
forward
and.
B
Clip
operates
independently
of
department
of
licenses
and
inspections.
We
do
work
very
well
and
collaboratively
with
clip
and
with
the
streets
department
to
do
blight
removal,
but
to
specifically
answer
your
question
I'm
going
to
have
to
say
that
you'll
need
to
speak
to
clip
when
when
they
come
before
you.
A
It
is
because
you
know
it
could
be
a
utility
ditch
for
water,
it
could
be
gas
company,
it
could
be
cable,
it
could
be
anything
and
we
didn't
want
to
have
the
munity
people
to
have
to
deal
with
trying
to
figure
out
who
was
doing
this
activity
in
the
street.
So
she's
going
to
be
reaching
out
to
you.
According
to
our
testimony,
the
better
coordinate
because
I
know
a
lot
of
the
license
issuance
was
going
to
be
a
part
of
that
developer
services.
A
You
working
out
the
kinks,
but
we
hope
that
you
also
have
a
one-stop-shop
for
the
neighbors
and
the
council
people,
so
they
don't
have
to
try
to
figure
out
who's
developing.
When
is
the
street
want
to
get
fixed?
When
is
the
sidewalk
want
to
be
open
all
the
things
associated
with
development,
so
she
see
indicated
she's
gonna
be
reaching
out
to
you
to
see
if
they
can
better
coordinate
those
type
of
responses
that.
A
Thank
you,
sir.
She
recognizes
councilman
jim
thank.
I
You
very
much
council,
president
and
I'd
like
to
join
my
colleagues
in
welcoming
you,
mr.
Perry
to
us.
You
know
to
L&I
I
think
your
presence
there
is
desperately
needed
huge
amounts
of
work.
That's
ahead,
that
your
record
has
been
really
great,
so
we're
really
hopeful
about
stuff.
Some
of
my
questions
I
want
to
reiterate
councilman
Dom's
interest
in
maybe
rethinking
and
re
looking
at
at
fees.
I
If
fees
haven't
changed
in
a
decade,
it
seems
like
that's
a
really
important
area
where
it
can
help
with
Ellen
eyes
budget
and
and
make
sure
that
that
our
fee
structure
matches
the
pace
and
rate
of
development.
That's
happening
in
the
city
as
well.
I
think
that
development
has
has
grown
significantly,
and
it
seems
that
the
fee
structure
should
reflect
that.
B
B
As
we
move
towards
electronic
and
online
services
that
the
checking
of
violations
needs,
it
needs
to
be
done
automatically.
It
needs
to
be
done
electronically.
That
was
has
not
been
programmed
yet,
but
as
it
is
our
intention
to
do
that,
and
also
want
to
go
forward
basis,
any
new
licenses
that
are
applied
for
for
housing
rentals.
We
will
check
for
existing
violations
because
it's
a
that's
a
powerful
way
of
getting
a
prospective
landlord
to
abate
any
of
the
problems
with
their
property.
I
I
think
in
part,
it's
because
we
you
know
give
we
understand
that
there
are
lots
of
resource
limitations
and
such
but
Ellen
eyes.
Role
in
ensuring
basic
standards
of
habitability
for
for
rental
properties
is
just
really
important
and
if
there's
a
way
for
us
to
be
able
to
work
closely
with
Ellen
I
to
be
able
to
achieve
that.
That
would
be
something
that
I'd
be
interested
in,
but
is
there
a
timeframe
where
you
could
expect
some
of
these
things
to
be
put
in
place
in
terms
of
both
use?
I
B
I
have
to
meet
with
our
IT
folks
and
work
out
the
details
of
how
we're
going
to
accomplish
that
next
year's
renewal,
which
would
be
by
the
end
of
march
in
2017,
to
the
best
of
our
ability.
I
hope
to
have
that
type
of
check
to
be
programmed
into
the
end
of
the
computer
system.
It'll
be
something
that
that
that
we
want
to
have
have
part
of
a
routine
license.
Renewal
and.
I
B
For
the
first
thing
we
do
is
issue
a
notice
of
violation.
If
the
then
we
check
back
in
a
predetermined
amount
of
time
to
see
if
the
violation
has
been
corrected,
will
then
issue
a
second
of
warning
to
the
the
property
owner
if
they
don't
comply
after
a
secondary
inspection
than
the
in
most
cases
will
start
the
court
enforcement
process.
B
I
In
your
testimony,
you
mentioned
a
plan
to
may
be
obtained
the
third
party
expert
analysis
of
the
inventory
of
unsafe
and
imminently
dangerous
buildings,
and
I
think
I
was
wondering
if
you
can
provide
a
little
bit
more
detail
about
that
particular
aspect.
I
think
that's
more
of
what
I
was
trying
to
understand
a
little
bit
better
yeah.
B
What
what
we
need
to
do
and
what
we've
started
is
to
have
an
on-call
engineering
firm
to
help
us
with
structural
evaluations
of
structurally
unsafe
buildings.
One
of
the
first
task
assignments
that
we
gave
the
firm
that
we
have
is
to
come
up
with
a
connection
detail
for
standalone
row,
houses
that
that
we're
in
a
case
where
we
demolish
the
houses
on
both
sides
of
a
row
home
the
the
the
structure
that
remains
needs
to
be
pinned
together
properly.
B
I
B
I
I
Am
I
and
my
other
question
has
to
do
with
the
identification
of
unlicensed
rentals
for
for
possible
enforcement
and
what
the
strategies
that
l
and
I
might
have,
or
what
capacity
we
have
to
analyze
data,
for
example,
a
you
know.
I
think
Councilwoman
king
and
the
Sanchez
has
previously
discussed
looking
at
information
from
utilities
like
PGW
and
pico,
where
there
might
be
multiple
meters
in
place.
But
is
there
any
type
of
approach
or
strategy
to
use
and
identify
some
of
these
unlicensed
rentals
or
take
a
look
at
how
to
do
enforcement
with
those.
E
Good
afternoon
the
councilman,
my
name,
is
Rebecca
sponson
I'm,
with
the
research
and
analysis
with
the
department.
We
are
building
a
large
property
inventory
with
oh
aitee,
and
currently
it
is
focused
on
vacant
properties
in
identifying
those
being
proactive
and
predicting
dangerous
buildings.
But
as
part
of
that,
we
are
working
with
utility
companies,
we
meet
with
the
water
department
and
PGW
and
pico,
and
we
are
early
stages
of
a
data
sharing
agreement
with
them
and
figuring
out
how
we
actually
make
that
work
operationally.
E
E
A
You
Councilwoman
Shira
class,
calcium
tumblr
mr.
D
B
D
Mean
I
can
actually
even
tell
you
horror
story
just
to
give
you
a
sense,
it's
not
your
fault,
and
it
happened
long
long
ago,
I
at
the
time
was
chief
of
staff
to
City
Councilman
Jack
Kelly.
When
is
a
district
councilman
I
was
put
on
hold
by
someone
for
him.
L&Amp;I
and
I
try
to
identify
myself.
They
wouldn't
even
allow
that
and
put
me
on
hold,
and
I
thought
I'm
looking
at
the
wind
and
I'm
looking
at
the
office,
I'm
looking
at
the
msb
building.
D
So
it's
son
of
a
gun
and
I
was
in
better
shape
back
then
I
literally
stayed
on
hold
but
walked
across
the
street,
well
kind
of
rank
because
I
wanted
to
catch
this
guy
and
I
and
I
barge
in
the
office.
Look
can't
you
see,
I'm
really
really
busy.
Anyone
who
says
you
know
I
got
people
on
the
telephone.
I
said
we
don't
have
to
worry
about
that
particular
person
cuz.
That's
me
and
I'm
here.
My
point
is
it's
something
that
is
actually
historic.
It
has
happened
for
for
a
long
time.
D
Do
you
think
it's
possible?
We
could
start
tracking
how
long
people
are
waiting,
because
our
taxpayers,
whether
their
business
people,
are
residential,
pay
a
fairly
decent
amount
of
tax
dollars
to
help
run
this
department
and
I
surely
believe
that
they
deserve
the
best
possible
service
we
can,
and
that,
of
course,
takes
monitoring
and
measuring
how
long
like
a
customer
service
kind
of
thing,
yeah.
B
We
do
have,
we
do
have
service
level
agreements
for
different
activities,
including
how
long
people
wait
in
the
concourse
in
terms
of
customer
service,
I,
I,
understand
and
I
agree
with
you.
We
need
to
do
a
better
job.
We
need
to
put
more
folks
online
to
be
able
to
take
questions
over
the
phone
and
be
able
to
move
the
the
lines
that
are
in
msb
now,
as
we
become
more
computer-oriented
and
things
can
be
done
online.
B
D
Thank
you
with
that
with
that,
without
also
being
said,
I
know
business
people
who
are
lifeblood
of
the
city
in
many
ways,
because
they
create
jobs,
particularly
small
business
people,
I've,
become
very
frustrated
or
can
become
very
frustrated
and
New
York.
Just
recently
passed
a
business
bill
of
rights
and
I'm
thinking
fell
off.
You
might
be
a
good
candidate
for
this
type
of
legislation.
I
know
mayor,
caddy
has
been
thinking
about
it
as
well.
D
B
I
mean
it
sounds
like
a
very
compelling
idea
if
we
don't
have
the
ability
to
hire
folks
to
hit
the
the
targets
that
are
given.
All's
we're
going
to
be
doing
as
frustrating
ourselves,
though.
So,
with
that
kind
of
commitment
there
has
to
be
a
commitment
to
provide
the
services
and
provide
the
resources
in
order
to
meet
those
targets.
I
mean
an
empty
promise,
is
will
do
no
one
any
good
whatsoever?
Well.
D
I
would
concur,
I
would
incur
with
that
I
know.
You
had
spoken
in
part
of
your
testimony
on
some
folks
that
you
were
looking
to
hire.
I
have
in
front
of
me
a
list
of
about
at
least
eight,
maybe
ten,
ten
positions
that
were
never
hired
last
year
and
I
know
that
wasn't
under
your
jurisdiction
and
your
timing
in
the
department,
but
you
have
any
sense
of
why
they
weren't
hired
yeah.
B
Many
of
the
technical
positions,
the
salary
levels
or
not
high
enough,
we
go
and
recruit
there.
We
just
don't
get
an
applicant
pool
that
it's
willing
to
take
the
jobs
at
the
at
the
salaries
that
are
offered
and
the
and
some
folks
when
you're
looking
to
hire
people
that
have
several
years
of
experience
generally
you're,
looking
at
a
situation
where
you're
drawing
folks
that
may
need
to
move
into
the
city,
and
that
becomes
in
some
cases
of
an
impediment
to
hire
to
bring
people
on
board.
B
That's
why
we
were
talking
earlier
about
use
engineering
contracts
and
third
party.
We
do
we
strive.
We
really
want
to
have
folks
that
are
sitting
employees
that
live
in
the
city
that
take
their
paycheck
home
and
spend
it
in
the
neighborhood.
But
there
are
circumstances
in
which
we
simply
cannot
get
the
right
folks
to
apply
for
the
job
and
the
positions
go
vacant
Thank.
F
You
good
afternoon,
I,
do
kind
of
want
to
echo
I
think
Ellen
I
is
Ben
is
the
most
proactive.
It's
been
in
a
very
long
time
and
I
appreciate
Commissioner
Perry
coming
in
and
hitting
the
ground
running
dad
said
I
just
you
know,
I
know
we
talked
a
little
bit
around
the
diversity
plan.
You
know
all
departments
are
required
to
do
a
language
access
plan,
so
I
look
forward
to
working
with
the
Commissioner
on
that,
but
just
want
to
bring
to
his
attention
that
you
know.
F
Since
2005
the
department
hired
29
employees,
only
one
of
them
has
been
bilingual.
So
it
is
my
expectation
that
in
the
next
hiring
freeze,
in
light
of
the
fact
that
some
of
the
jobs
are
technical
in
nature,
that
we
have
a
plan
for
that,
but
I
trusted
that
you
will
put
that
together
wanted
to
talk
a
little
bit
about
it.
Clips
and,
and
one
of
the
things
that
came
out
of
the
discussions
when
we
were
rolling
it
out
was
the
issue
of
having
roll
rolling
enrollment.
F
You
know
so
we
have
different
licenses
that
expire
just
one
month.
You
know
March
being
vendors
or
whatever
have
we
figured
out
how,
with
the
clips,
we're
going
to
get
those
to
be
rolling.
So
if
I'm,
a
vendor
and
I
get
a
license
in
February
and
March
I
got
to
get
a
new
one.
You
know
that
kind
of
stuff.
Have
we
looking
a
little
bit
at
that.
E
Good
afternoon
Councilwoman
such
as
my
name
is
Kirk
McLaren
administrative
services
director.
We
we
are
working
on
that
issue
and
in
terms
of
the
expiration
dates
of
licenses,
specifically
with
the
rollout
of
phases
1a
and
1b,
which
were
business,
license,
renewals
and
new
business
licenses.
We
have
implemented
a
an
expiration
date
specific
to
the
individual,
in
other
words
one
year
from
obtaining
that
license,
as
opposed
to
exactly
like
you
said.
E
E
F
Of
the
areas
of
concern
you
know
again,
I
I
think
it's
usually
important
and
I.
Think
it's
a
testament
to
counsel
to
to
mayor
Kenny's
commitment
to
continue
to
support
Ellen,
I
and
and
kind
of
its
return
to
being
a
public
safety.
Is
the
continuation
of
the
Oversight,
Committee
and
I.
Think
one
of
the
reasons
that's
happening
is
again
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
faith
being
placed
on
Commissioner
Perry
to
kind
of
work
through
the
implementation
of
a
lot
of
new
regs
and
rules,
and
so
I
really
appreciate
them
publicly.
F
When
I
thank
the
mayor
for
that
I.
Think
anytime,
you
get
more
eyes
and
on
what's
going
on,
we
develop
a
better
product
around
the
vacant
property
strategy.
I
know
you
know:
we've
driven
Rebecca
crazy
with
all
of
our
the
new
things
around
the
vacant
properties,
particularly
the
commercial
structure,
piece,
the
industrial
ones,
which
was
Cal
cement,
O'brien's
issue.
Is
there
anything
other
than
that
that
that
work
that
we're
doing
proactively?
Is
there
any
discussion
around
creating
a
plan
around
non-compliance
areas?
F
You
know
on
the
business
compliance
I
think
that,
just
like
everything
else,
there's
certain
areas
where
certain
behaviors,
whether
you're
talking
about
South
Philly's,
double
parking
or
whatever,
there's
certain
code
violations
that
have
been
allowed
to
kind
of
permeate
in
certain
areas.
What's
been
the
discussion
so
far
about
how
do
we
get
proactive
around
some
of
those
quality
of
life
issues.
B
The
department
wants
to
make
a
strong
commitment
to
quality
of
life
issues,
I
think
when
it
comes
to
violations.
Different
commercial
corridors
have
different
issues
and
we
need,
instead
of
just
treating
the
entire
city
the
same.
We
need
to
work
with
the
groups
that
are
within
certain
business
Carter's
find
out
what
their
main
concerns
are
and
target
our
enforcement
around.
What
those
particular
issues
are
I
think
we
would
get
much
better
traction
that
way,
we'd
be
able
to
focus
our
resources
and
in
a
much
more
leverage
fashion.
B
If
we
can
work
with
corridor
managers,
if
we
can
work
with
business
associations
and
we
can
find
out
what
it
is
that
they
need
to
be
enforced
in
their
particular
area,
when
we
try
to
do
everything
for
everybody
everywhere,
we
end
up
doing
nothing
for
anyone
anywhere.
So
I
really
am
confident
we're
working
on
actually
educational
materials
to
give
out,
and
we
look
forward
to
working
with
commerce
and
and
the
various
commercial
districts
to
get
very
specific
enforcement
programs
that
work
for
that
quarter.
Yeah.
F
I
think
that's
hugely
important,
because
there
is
a
culture
to
each
car
door
and
some
things
are
more
important
to
some
corridors
than
others.
So
you're
right,
you
know
how
we
get
folks
into
compliance.
That's
usually
important.
In
addition
to
you
know,
we
talked
about
the
the
Eid
properties
that
I
know
that
you've
put
in
a
nine
million
dollar
budget
on
that,
in
addition
to
and
there'll
be
more
properties
that
are
ID'd
in
addition
to
the
demolition
piece
which
folks
have
identified
for
quality
of
life.
F
What
is
an
area
that
you
think
requires
more
proactive
attention?
Yeah.
B
One
area
that
I'm
actually
concerned
about
is
that
so
far
this
year
we
had
three
collapses
of
occupied
buildings
and
those
buildings
were
not
on
our
radar.
I
think
we
need
to
do
a
outreach
effort
and
educational
effort
with
with
various
communities
to
get
them
to
know
when
the
kollel
and
I
for
a
serious
structural
condition
we
properties
that
are
vacantly.
B
We
have
rebecca's
working
on
this
vacant
property
strategy,
but
when
we're
having
occupied
buildings
that
are
collapsing,
that
aren't
in
our
system
and
I
haven't
been
watched
that
that's
really
disturbing
to
me
and
I
I.
Think
an
educational
piece
will
certainly
help
with
helping
folks
identify
what
different
gaps
and
cracks
and
movement
means
in
their
properties,
and
they
can
call
us
and
get
an
inspection
done
as.
F
B
B
Exactly
I,
for
instance,
of
areas
that
have
high
rise
buildings,
we're
going
to
want
to
concentrate
more
inspectors
in
those
areas,
so
those
high
rise
building
construction
generates
a
lot
more
inspection.
So
even
though
it's
only
one
parcel
or
one
building,
we
need
to
have
a
lot
of
resources
to
handle
that
that
type
of
construction
activity,
whereas
if
in
areas
only
single-family
construction,
then
we
can
probably
allow
that
area
to
be
a
little
larger
than
other
areas
so
but
we'll
be
happy
to
share
yeah.
F
And
I'll
just
emphasize
again
the
importance
of
the
language
you
know
in
a
lot
of
immigrant
communities
just
having
that
capability
and
understanding
that
is
going
to
be
hugely
important
to
getting
people
to
comply.
So
from
the
from
the
concourse
to
the
folks
out
in
the
field,
you
know
trying
to
match
that
up.
I
think
it's
going
to
be
hugely
important.
Yeah.
B
I
mean
along
those
lines,
as
as
we
hire
these
new
inspectors,
we're
going
to
use
selective
factor
certification
so
that
we
can
hire
folks
directly
that
have
the
different
skills
that
we're
lacking.
I,
think
that'll
be
real
powerful
for
us
and
allow
us
to
fulfill
the
the
various
needs
that
are
out
there.
In
addition,
with
the
Eclipse
system,
we're
insisting
that
the
that
we
are
given
the
tools
to
basically
put
the
entire
system
into
multiple
languages
so
that
everybody
and
anyone
can
interact
with
the
the
online
system
in
their
in
their
own
native
language.
Good.
A
You
Councilwoman
chair
recognizes
councilman
Parker.
J
J
Our
CEO
meeting
I
had
with
all
of
the
9th
district,
are
CEOs
and
they
were
talking
about
citations
and
that
for
many
issues,
citations
cannot
be
written
unless
the
violation
is
like
witnessed
by
an
inspector,
and
so
when
they
talked
about
the
times
that
the
expect
is
work
and
sort
of
doing
normal
business
hours.
Some
of
the
violations
obviously
are
occurring
outside
of
a
normal
business
hours.
J
B
We
we
have
different
crews
that
are
available
on
off
hours.
We
have
a
regular
Saturday
patrol,
that's
that
looks
for
on
permanent
construction
activity.
We
have
a
nuisance,
a
task
force
that
does
inspections
of
nightclubs
and
and
and
other
establishments
over
the
weekend.
So
we
do
have
a
presence
on
on
off
hours.
If.
J
There
is
a
way
that
we
can
just
sort
of
reviewed
at
particularly
regionally
in
areas
where
we
may
see
more
activity
taking
place
on
sort
of
abnormal
business
hours,
and
we
could
just
review
that
to
see
whether
there
is
a
need
at
all
to
increase
that
that
would
be
of
a
great
benefit
to
us,
and
we
can
report
back
to
our
constituency
that
listen,
the
city's,
paying
close
attention
to
all
of
the
unpermitted
activity
taking
place
on
ordering
abnormal
business
hours.
That
would
be
great,
okay,.
J
And
we
at
those
and
we'll
make
sure
that
we
that
we
forward
those
to
you
ASAP.
The
next
question
is
is
in
regards
to
the
issue
of
enforcement
of
provisos,
and
so
explain
to
me.
How
does
Ellen
I
enforce
provisos
adopted
by
the
Zoning
Board
on
variances
and
special
exceptions
that
have
been
granted,
because
what
we've
heard
from
both
the
community
and
Ellen
eyes
that
it
is
pretty
difficult
and
very
challenging
to
to
enforce
provisos?
J
B
Enforcing
zoning
provisos
is
very
difficult,
especially
those
that
are
not
dealing
with
bricks
and
mortar.
The
I
don't
know
if
there's
a
legislative
solution
there,
that
the
best
solution
is
to
craft
the
proviso
so
that
it's
very
clear
as
to
what
what's
needed,
and
it's
something
that
that's
easily
measurable.
B
If
you
put
a
proviso
in
there
that
the
building
owner
has
to
go
to
community
meetings
once
a
month
or
you
know
something
along
those
lines
that
that
we
we
can't
routinely
monitor,
then
we
can't
really
expect
come
us
to
be
involved
in
the
enforcement
process.
But
if
it's
the
kind
of
thing
where
you
know
they
need
to
have
folks
assisting
in
parking
of
cars
or
there's
some
sort
and
physical
construction
that
needs
to
take
place
as
a
proviso
that
that
is
enforceable.
So
it
really.
B
J
Having
the
ability
to
quantifiably
measure
whether
or
not
the
group
is
sort
of
meeting
all
of
the
durex
included
in
the
proviso
is
extremely
important.
With
that
in
mind,
I'm
a
huge
fan
of
sort
of
like
establishing
rubrics,
so
is
there
way
that
we
we
can
work
together.
You
all
can
sort
of
just
do
internally
develop
a
rubric
for
measurable
and
unmeasurable,
because
some
are
cos.
We
have
to
remember
these.
The
community-based
organizations
right
they're
trying
to
do
what
is
in
the
best
interest
of
their
neighborhood.
J
B
That
sounds
like
a
very
good
idea:
I
think
we'll
meet
with
the
Zoning
Board
and
with
the
Planning
Commission,
and
and
see
what
we
can
do
that
come
up
with
some
standardized
type
provisos
that
we
know
we
can
enforce
and
that
if
your
community
group
puts
that
in
as
a
requirement
that
they
have
confidence
that
that
something
will
be
taken,
some
action
will
be
taken
if
it's
not
followed.
Thank.
J
You
and
then,
finally,
just
to
a
follow-up
to
councilman,
Johnson
and
Councilwoman
quinones
Sanchez
comments
in
regards
to
the
establishment
of
the
new
offices
when,
in
fact,
you
have
worked
on
establishing
the
criteria.
If
there
is
anything
that
we
can
do
plug
plug
to
be
helpful
in
helping
you
identify
locations
feel
free
to
call
us,
we
want
to
be
helpful.
Will.
A
C
So,
president,
just
a
quick
questions
to
wrap
it
up
on
my
end,
and
a
lot
of
you
know
just
to
add
in
echo
the
interest
in
the
process
and
how
things
are
set
up
with
the
gmas
and
in
the
new
district
offices
would
love
to
you
know
I'm
just
going
to
ask
your
for
the
record.
Maybe
you
can
provide
them
for
the
chair.
How
many?
How
many
district
offices
do
you
currently
have
and
do
all
the
all
the
inspectors
report
there
in
the
morning.
C
B
I
mean
what
we
consider
to
be.
The
top
of
the
pyramid
would
be
complaints
and
reports
of
dangerous
buildings.
They
would
get
an
immediate
response.
Other
types
of
complaints
that
come
in
they
get
handled
in
turn
they
get
divided
up
amongst
the
different
districts.
Generally,
an
inspector
has
a
certain
number
of
census
tracts
within
a
particular
district,
and
the
work
would
go
out
to
based
upon
the
census
tract
in
which
the
complaint
came
in
okay,.
C
B
I
mean
that
that's
part
of
the
the
analysis
that
gets
done
in
figuring
out
where
we're
district
offices
need
to
be.
You
want
to
minimize
that
travel
time,
because
that's
simply
wasted
effort,
so
we
want
to
get
these
offices
as
close
to
where
the,
where
the
act
where
the
action
is
occurring.
Now
that
that's
not
always
possible,
given
what
the
city
can
lease
and
what
city
buildings
are
available
out
there.
E
C
C
B
I
would
think
that
that
we
can
gain
some
efficiencies
through
electronic
plan
review,
because
what
will
happen
is
that
we
can
have
in
a
lot
of
cases
to
get
a
building
permit
or
a
zoning
permit.
There's
we
there's
prerequisite
requirements
from
other
city
agencies,
so
by
getting
all
the
plans
submitted
electronically,
those
plans
can
be
simultaneously
distributed
to
everyone
that
needs
to
review
this
set
of
plans.
B
So
we'll
get
away
from
the
situation
where
an
architect
or
builder
has
to
go
from
city
office,
the
city
office,
to
get
their
approvals
so
the
overall
response
time
the
overall
approval
time
they
go
from
when
you
start
start,
your
your
permitting
process
to
when
it's
completed
should
be
should
be
reduced.
Great.
C
And
unless,
when
you
take
a
look
at
best
practice-
and
you
know
taking
a
look
at
where
we
line
up
with
other
cities
comparable
to
the
city,
philadelphia
and
our
fees-
and
you
know
the
possible
move
to
you-
know
adjusting
them,
it
should
just
take
a
look
at
the
maximum
permit
fee.
All
right-
and
now
I
don't
know
if
that's
preempted
again
by
the
state
UCC
or
not.
But
I
don't
know
what
the
max
is,
that
7,500,
maybe
or
5,000
that.
B
C
That
right,
you
know
for
electrical.
Do
you
know
what
the
building
permit
max
figures?
Can
they
all
right?
Well,
in
any
case,
you
have
maximum
fees
that
are
relatively
you
know,
inexpensive
when
you
consider
you
know
doing
sizable
projects
like
the
convention
center,
the
Comcast
building,
or
you
know
some
of
these
commercial
residential.
You
know
properties
and
you
only
have
a
maximum
fee
of
five
thousand
or
7,000
higher
I.
Don't
know
with
some
of
the
other
building
permits,
but
I
would
you
know
recommend
that
you
take
a
take
a
look
at
that
and
reconsider.
G
Just
a
few
more
quick
questions,
I
want
to
follow
up
to
council
meetings,
comments
and
my
prior
comments
about
the
the
revenue
and
the
fees.
If
there
was
54
million
of
revenue
from
Illinois
last
year,
correct
and
my
information
says
that
there
was
forty
thousand
building
electrical
and
plumbing
permits
the
department
in
2015.
That's
right,
that's
approximately
correct,
as
so
on
simple
math.
If
each
one
was
like
130
dollars,
that
would
generate
54
million
I.
G
F
F
F
F
G
My
goals,
we
think,
has
more
tools
to
run
this
department
more
efficiently.
I
can
see
those
revenues
go
back
into
the
department,
so
you
can
use
those
tools
to
make
el
night
the
best
it
can
be
yeah.
So
whatever
you
can
do,
we're
talking
the
same
language,
just
let's
figure
out
the
fees
I
think
they
have
to
be
raised
and
let's
there's
a
lot
of
potential
revenue
there.
One
last
question:
in
2015
you
were
an
LMI
Commissioner,
but
you
have
any
idea
of
how
many
unpermitted
construction
violations
occurred.
G
B
I
mean
the
whole
key
here
is
how
much
of
the
new
revenue
can
actually
flow
back
to
the
department,
because,
as
it
stands,
any
revenues
generated
go
to
the
general
fund
and
you
know
they're
distributed
amongst
different
departments
that
have
different
needs,
but
their
other
models
out
there
that
that
could
help
capture
the
revenue
that
we
need
in
order
to
have
the
department
adequately
staffed
and
have
all
the
resources
that
are
needed
for
whatever
construction
enforcement
or
business
compliance
programs
that
the
city
needs
in
order
to
to
meet
the
needs
of
the
citizens.
You
know.
G
B
Yeah
I
in,
in
my
recollection
of
that
court
case,
you
can't
charge
permit
fees
higher
than
what
it
costs
to
provide
the
service.
That's
correct.
Now
there
are
other
departments
that
are
involved
in
in
permitting
so
it's
not
just
Ellen
eyes
costs
that
are
involved.
You
also
have
to
consider
what
the
Planning
Commission
does.
The
Historical
Commission
does
the
role
that
the
Commerce
Department
has.
So
it's
not
it's
not
as
simple
as
just
looking
at
how
much
money
L&I
is
spending
on
clammy
views
and
building
inspections
and
how
much
revenue
is
coming
in.
B
G
E
G
G
As
a
New,
York
City
put
a
system
in
place
about
12
years
ago
that
had
12
different
probabilities.
Delinquent
taxes
was
one
of
them.
Lack
of
a
facade
inspection
was
another,
but
when
they
merged
all
the
information
they
found
out
that
all
the
buildings
that
were
collapsing
had
these
12
characteristics
going
on.
So
it
might
be
something
we
could
look
at
because
might
help
us
preventing
issues
down
the
road
yeah.
B
That's
exactly
the
type
of
analysis
that
Rebecca
Swanson
does
and
looking
at
our
vacant
property
survey,
and
we
need
to
expand
that
beyond
just
vacant
properties,
because
I,
like
we
were
discussing
earlier,
we're
having
issues
with
occupied
properties.
Beyond
that,
you
have
situations
that
we're
finding
in
which
the
primary
owner
of
the
property
dies
and
the
family
takes
over.
They
stop
paying
real
estate
taxes,
they
stopped
maintaining
the
property
and
order
is
allowed
to
infiltrate,
especially
through
the
roof
system,
and
eventually
that's
going
to
cause
major
structural
issues.
Okay,.
F
E
So
many
things
go
and
I
dare
not
ask
for
something
else,
but
but
so
many
community
issues
but
I
will
su
Commission
you'll
look
at
the
bill.
We
introduced
dealing
with
the
water
main
break
and
the
contractors
who
helped
fix
it
and
see
if
you
may
have
some
suggestions
for
us
we're
having
a
hard
time
working
that
out.
So
we've
been
talking
to
folks
in
the
city,
but
we're
not
straight
yet.
It's
maybe
I'll.
Ask
you
to
look
at
that
bill
for
what
we
can
do
when
there's
a
city
emergency
so.
B
E
We'll
send
you
to
what's
on
you
too
bill.
We
introduced
it
about
in
January,
so
obviously
I
don't
have
it
straight
or
we
would
have
followed
up.
So
we've
been
trying
to
find
out
a
way
to
do
something.
We
even
met
with
the
fire
commissioner
and
his
team.
We
met
with
different
adjusters.
We
met
with
so
many
people,
but
we
don't
have
it
right.
I
understand
the
license.
We
talk
about,
may
not
even
be
within
our
authority.