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From YouTube: Special Committee on Gun Violence Prevention 10-13-2021
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The Special Committee on Gun Violence Prevention of the Council of the City of Philadelphia held a Public Hearing on Wednesday, October 13, 2021, at 10:00 AM to hear testimony on the following items:
170609 Resolution authorizing the creation of a "Special Committee on Gun Violence Prevention" to address Philadelphia's enduring plague of gun violence by facilitating coordination among stakeholders and formulating a comprehensive gun violence prevention strategy.
A
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daily
news,
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and
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prior
to
their
hearings
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clerk
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A
A
A
By
continuing
to
be
in
the
meeting,
you
are
consenting
to
being
recorded
additionally
prior
to
recognizing
members
for
the
questions
or
comments
they
have
for
witnesses.
I
will
note
for
the
record
at
this
time
that
we
will
use
the
chat
feature
available
and
microsoft
teams
to
allow
members
to
signify
that
they
wish
to
be
recognized
in
order
to
comply
with
the
sunshine
act.
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must
only
be
used
for
this
purchase
at
this
time.
I
want
to
thank
everyone
for
taking
time
on
their
schedule
and
participating
is
very,
very
important
to
hearing.
A
I
am
holding
this
latest
special
committee
on
gun
violence
prevention,
hearing
to
examine
the
city's
strategic
plan
to
address
gun
violence,
save
our
use
and
reduce
the
murder
rate
in
the
city
of
philadelphia.
The
level
of
gun
violence
we
experienced
in
philadelphia
in
2020
and
continued
so
far
in
2021
is
totally
unacceptable.
A
I
will
continue
to
highlight
the
issue
of
gun
violence
in
our
city
and
to
advocate
for
solutions.
As
long
as
this
plex
endures,
the
hearing
will
examine
the
fatal
and
non-fatal
shootings
that
have
happened
so
far
this
year.
I
also
expect
council
members
to
ask
questions
about
the
status
of
law
enforcement
and
gun
violence
prevention
efforts
to
stem
the
tide
of
gun
violence
here
in
the
city
of
philadelphia,
thus
far
this
year,
we're
about
to
end
the
holiday
season,
halloween,
thanksgiving
and
christmas
are
just
weeks
away
as
well
as
other
holidays.
A
As
of
this
moment
in
2021,
we
know
at
least
431
plus
families
who
are
grieving.
There
are
four
there
are
400.
At
least,
there
are
at
least
431
plus
families
who
have
a
missing
seat
at
the
holiday
table,
this
upcoming
holiday
season.
So
I
feel
that
it's
very
imperative
and
important
that
we
always
review
the
senseless
gun.
Violence.
A
A
As
of
yesterday,
431
people
have
been
victims
of
homicides
here
in
the
city
of
philadelphia.
That's
the
15
percent
increase
compared
to
the
same
time.
Last
year,
and
as
of
october
10th,
1764
individuals
have
been
shooting
victims
here
in
the
city
of
philadelphia,
which
is
a
6.2
percent
increase
compared
to
the
same
time
last
year.
This
cannot
continue
and
must
not
continue.
A
We
are
here
today
to
try
to
make
some
sense
of
philadelphia
surging
gun
violence
over
the
past
few
years.
I
believe
it
is
important
to
get
constant
updates
from
for
my
foot
of
police,
commissioner
danielle
outlaw
our
philadelphia
district
attorney,
larry
krasner
city
of
philadelphia,
office
of
violence
prevention
and,
most
importantly,
citizens
about
this
issue.
A
We
also
invited
the
courts
who
did
not
respond
to
our
invitation
to
participate,
which
is
also
indicative
of
why
we
need
to
address
this
issue
with
our
all
hands
on
deck
approach.
But,
most
importantly,
all
of
our
city
agencies
should
be
addressing
this
issue
with
a
sense
of
urgency
but,
most
importantly,
a
sense
of
priority.
A
These
special
committee
on
gun
violence
prevention
hands
are
meant
to
bring
transparency
and
accountability
to
the
agencies.
Responsible
for
public
safety
here
in
the
city
of
philadelphia
as
a
native
son
of
point
breeze,
who
still
lives
here,
raising
my
two
african-american
boys.
I
have
sleepless
nights
through
the
senseless
gun,
violence
that
takes
place
day
in
and
day
out
when
shots
rang
out
in
south
philadelphia
and
southwest
always
getting
phone
calls
all
days
all
days
of
the
night
as
well
as
early
in
the
morning.
A
Ask
me:
what
are
we
gonna
do
differently
when
it
comes
to
addressing
the
census
gun
violence
plaguing
our
city?
Often,
I
actually
hear
the
shots
order,
police
and
ambulance
side
sirens.
The
people
are
being
victimized
are
not
just
my
constituents,
but
our
fellow
citizens
here
in
the
city
of
philadelphia.
A
They
are
members
of
my
family
friends
but,
most
importantly,
my
neighbors.
After
these
shootings
takes
place,
I
walk
the
streets
to
check
on
nearby
residents.
I
attend
funerals
and
host
prayer
vigils
and,
most
importantly,
I
do
everything
I
can
do
possible
to
comfort
the
mothers,
fathers
and
children
who
have
lost
loved
ones
to
senseless
gun
bombs.
I
share
their
grief
and
I
share
their
outrage
during
those
sleepless
nights.
I
ask
myself
over
and
over
again:
what
can
we
do?
What
can
we
doing?
A
What
can
we
be
doing
more
to
address
this
system's
gun
violence
here
in
the
city
of
philadelphia?
I
have
done
countless
public
safety
walks,
vigils
and
peace,
not
guns
rallies.
I
have
hosted
roundtable
discussions,
town
halls,
informal
hands
like
the
one
we're
doing
today
to
bring
the
community
together,
but,
most
importantly,
our
city
leaders,
to
address
this
issue.
I
heard
from
advocates
that
our
victims
and
co-victims
are
gun
violence
that
want
a
stronger
voice
and
more
support
when
it
comes
to
addressing
losing
the
life
of
a
loved
one
to
senseless
gun
violence.
A
I'm
by
this
year,
as
I'm
confident
that
mayor
jim
kenny
will
appoint
a
nominee
to
be
a
leader
of
the
newly
created
office
of
victims
advocate
an
office.
I
helped
create
and
pass
legislation
by
last
year
by
changing
our
city
charter.
We
need
to
make
sure
that
those
who
have
lost
loved
ones,
the
gun
violence,
have
a
voice
in
the
city
at
the
table,
who
are
recovering
more
so-called
ghost
guns
in
the
city
of
philadelphia
than
ever.
These
guns
don't
carry
serial
numbers.
A
Don't
require
background
check
and
can't
be
traced
by
investigators,
yet
federal
law
enforcement
doesn't
prohibit
them.
So
I
introduced
legislation
and
got
ghost
bans
banned
here
in
the
city
of
philadelphia.
The
law
is
currently
being
challenged
in
our
court,
but
I'm
confident
that
our
city
will
prevail.
A
A
A
We
lost
a
thousand
lives
to
gun
violence
in
a
two-year
period.
There
are
actual
people
and
family
members
who
are
beyond
behind
those
thousand
individuals
who
have
lost
their
lives,
and
so
I
don't
post
these
hearings
as
a
way
of
political
exercise,
I'm
not
up
for
election.
This
is
about
keeping
our
pulse
and
our
pressure
on
addressing
the
census,
gun
bosses.
E
I
have
a
moment
to
say
something.
First
of
all,
thank
you.
Thank
you
for
staying
laser
focused
on
this
issue
and
not
allowing
it
to
fall
back
to
the
back
page
of
the
newspaper
or
be
forgotten.
Thank
you
for
that.
Someone
said
something
to
me,
mr
chairman,
that
I
think
I
want
to
go
on
a
record
and
say
not
knowing
the
the
pulse
of
the
streets.
E
Many
people-
and
I
and
I
had
to
remind
this
gentleman
that
the
rain
falls
on
the
just
and
the
unjust
alike.
Bullets
do
not
make
a
decision.
Seven
year
old,
young
man
on
simpson
street
that
was
sitting
on
the
porch
playing
with
his
toys,
didn't
he
was
at
the
right
place,
doing
the
right
thing
and
was
murdered
a
young
lady
who
is
a
part
of
the
earth.
I
don't
want
to
say
her
name,
but
was
a
part
of
the
earth
day
coalition.
They
they
believe
in
environmental
issues.
E
E
I
I
say
to
people
that
that
somehow
believe
that
this
is
of
our
own
doing
all
the
time.
I
say
that
they
couldn't
be
further
further
wrong
by
thinking
it
and,
more
importantly,
send
and
put
it
out
there.
So
what
we're
doing
is
very
important,
mr
chairman,
and
I
thank
you
for
keeping
keeping
the
the
pressure
up
so
that
we
we
prioritize.
Thank
you
again,
mr
jim.
A
Just
ask
those
children
who
have
been
shot
here
in
the
city
of
philadelphia
who
were
in
the
right
place
at
the
right
time
right
was
it
their
fault
that
they
got
shot?
Look
those
mothers
and
fathers
in
the
face
who
have
lost
loved
ones.
Young
ladies
and
young
men,
irregardless
of
their
background
that
it
was
their
fault
that
they
got
murdered.
No
one
has
the
right
to
take
another
person's
life
at
the
end
of
the
day,
and
so
I'm
gonna
stand
on
that.
I
thank
you
for
your
hard
work.
A
That's
the
violence,
prevention
aspect,
that's
a
law
enforcement
aspect
and,
most
importantly,
that's
the
community
engagement
aspect,
and
so
with
that
being
said,
I
will
ask
for
the
clerk
to
please
call
the
first
panelist
and
if
any
other
councilmember
would
like
to
make
a
brief
remark.
You
can
at
this
moment,
if
not
I'm
going
to
ask
for
the
clerk
to
please
call
the
first
panels.
H
A
H
H
H
Community
organizations
are
resourced
and
connected
to
city
agencies,
allowing
them
to
maintain
and
grow
person-centered
programming
that
strengthens
prevention
and
event
shrinks
its
prevention
and
intervention
efforts,
coordinated
city
services
and
planning
relevant
city
agencies,
work
collaboratively
using
police
and
health
data
to
develop
policies
and
programs,
as
well
as
synchronize
activities
that
include
community
output
and
will
lead
to
sustainable
solutions
to
reduce
gun,
violence
and,
last
but
definitely
not
least,
safer
and
healthier
communities.
Individuals,
families
and
neighborhoods
are
safe,
healthy
and
productive
members
of
the
community
in
which
they
live
work
and
play.
H
Since
I
appeared
before
this
committee,
we
have
aligned
the
criminal
justice
and
public
safety's
clusters
quarterly
goals
to
to
align
with
the
core
objectives
of
the
roadmap
pillars.
Oh
there
we
go
connected
and
thriving
youth
and
young
adults.
We
seek
to
ensure
that
those
at
the
highest
risk
of
gun,
violence
between
the
ages
of
16
to
34
and
their
families
have
a
clear
path
to
proven
prevention
and
intervention
programs
that
increase
their
connection
to
needed,
supports
and
access
positive
opportunities,
including
education,
employment
and
trusted
caring
adults
such
as
mentors.
H
We
implemented
technology
that
will
launch
expedited
release
for
juvenile
arrests
and,
at
the
same
time,
establish
deeper
integration
with
a
larger
youth
diversion
strategy
and
increase
public-facing
re-entry
services.
We
will
con
with
increased
with
increased
public-facing
re-entry
services.
We
will
connect
more
youth
and
young
adults
and
families
at
a
high
risk
of
violence
to
high-quality
community-based
programs
that
promote
health
and
social
wellness.
H
We
are
elevating
coordinated
data
across
agency
platforms,
like
prisons,
cares
and
the
police
to
deepen
the
analysis
of
recidivism
to
fortify
the
on-ramps,
the
positive
opportunities
and
activities
we
have
launched
both
evaluations
for
the
community
crisis
intervention
program
and
our
group
violence,
intervention,
pro
intervention
programs
collecting
and
evaluating
outcomes.
Our
current
city
supported
violence
reduction
programs
and
overall
violence
reduction
strategy
will
help
us
properly
align
resources
and
policies.
H
Additionally,
we've
relaunched
our
multi-agency
tactical
meetings
to
facilitate
coordination
among
city
agencies
and
external
stakeholders,
reduce
shootings
and
homicides,
which
I'll
go
into
further
detail
later.
In
my
testimony,
safe
and
healthy
neighborhoods,
the
financial
impact
of
cover
19
on
many
philadelphians
has
been
devastating,
especially
for
those
impacted
by
the
criminal
justice
system.
With
the
goal
of
reducing
structural
violence
in
high-risk
neighborhoods,
we
facilitated
a
covet-19
repayment
program
at
the
close
of
the
program.
In
the
coming
weeks,
we
will
have
made
payments
to
1
000
people
released
from
detention
in
the
philadelphia
prison
system.
H
H
H
H
We
are
concentrating
the
on
the
nuance
of
neighborhoods
and
working
in
partnership
with
our
police
district
captains
and
analysts
to
utilize
intelligence
on
shooting
intelligence
on
data
on
shooting
and
crime
patterns
in
our
district.
This
partnership
enables
city
departments
to
respond
in
real
time
and
better
deploy
resources
and
programming.
H
H
This
information,
in
conjunction
with
known
environmental
issues,
social
determinants
of
health,
are
how
the
districts
were
chosen.
We
have
assessed
and
leveraged
our
partnerships
in
neighborhoods
as
well
as
mapped
our
remediations
efforts
in
communities
that
are
impacted,
while
coordinating
our
internal
efforts
are
critical
to
reducing
violence.
We
are
also
aligning
our
financial
investments
in
community
organizations.
H
H
In
order
to
enhance
the
harmony
and
hope
on
every
block
in
our
city,
we
have
to
stay
the
course
continue
to
align
our
course.
Our
core
strategy
and
connect
back
to
community
in
community
in
ways
to
keep
moving
forward
our
partnership
with
this
body,
as
well
as
our
state
and
federal
partners,
has
to
persevere
for
the
sake
of
our
children
and
future
generations
of
philadelphia.
A
Thank
you
very
much
erica
for
your
testimony.
Just
a
couple
questions,
yes,
sir.
I
want
to
ask
just
to
get
started
and
one
thank
you
for
your
service,
thank
you
for
being
on
the
case
when
it
comes
to
addressing
this
issue
comprehensively,
not
just
from
a
law
enforcement
aspect
but
from
a
violence,
prevention
aspect
as
well,
and
so
I
just
have
a
couple
questions.
I
want
to
ask
regarding
your
testimony.
A
Well,
first
from
your
perspective,
what
would
you
consider
successes
thus
far
from
the
evaluation
standpoint
in
your
presentation,
I
saw
a
lot
of
goals
and
objectives
right
and
how
you're
going
to
measure
them,
and
so
give
me
an
idea
of
thus
far
today.
What's
what's
most
effective
right,
that
y'all
have
been
working
on
that
you
probably
want
to
do
more
of
moving
forward,
and
what
do
you
consider
key
areas
of
success
thus
far
in
terms
of
the
roadmap
to
a
safer
philadelphia,
2.0.
H
H
Quantitatively,
more
young
people
who
are
at
a
high
risk
in
young
adults
that
at
a
high
risk
engaged
in
something
other
than
street
activity.
That
is
a
indicator,
and
I
can't
we,
you
and
I
kind
of
are
from
the
same
generation.
So
the
effect
and
the
the
relationships
that
we
have
with
them
are
kind
of
old,
head
auntie
type
deal
so
having
more
young
people
in
positions
of
leadership
that
are
then
engaging
with
those
who
are
at
a
high
risk
is
a
sign
of
success.
H
For
me,
that
is
why
we're
doing-
and
I'm
so
intentionally
promotional
about
the
next-gen
task
force
and
getting
them
out,
because
we
have
young
people
who
are
under
the
age
of
40
who
have
been
engaged
in
activity.
Some
of
them
have
served
time.
Some
of
them
do
have
criminal
backgrounds,
but
they
are,
they
turn
their
life
around
and
they're,
now
engaging
kind
of
each
one
teach
one.
So
that's
one
is
that
continued
engagement.
H
That
is
why
we're
doing
the
credible
messenger
fellowship
I'm
in
starting
that,
so
we
can
then
deepen
the
bench
of
those
who
are
doing
the
work
and
continue
to
elevate
the
sector.
That
is
credible
messengers.
So
it
is
broadly
considered
a
professional
on-ramp,
and
how
do
we
professionalize
that
sector
and
support
those
who
are
doing
that
work
for
me
that
that's
key,
that's
critical?
It
is
deepening
and
sustaining
our
investments
in
community
organizations.
H
I
don't
know
who's
going
to
be
sitting
in
the
seat
in
2024,
but
if
we've
invested
in
community
organizations
in
a
way
from
now
till
then
they
can
then
be
more
stabilized
and
more
secure.
So
they
can
sustain
their
work
on
the
ground
and
we
will
do
the
technical
assistance
for
them
to
build
their
capacity.
So
their
back
of
the
house
is
just
as
sharp
as
their
front
of
the
house
and
how
they
serve
our
young
people.
H
A
H
I
mean
sure
I
could.
I
could
say
that
it
not
understanding
the
comprehensive
issues
that
we
are
facing
in
terms
of
what
our
revenues
look
like.
What
our
budget
looks
like,
I,
I
would
sure
we
would
love
another
155
million,
plus
some
to
continue
to
do
this
work.
However,
I
we
have
to
also
lean
hard
into
what
is
the
state
providing
us?
H
How
are
they
supporting
us
not
to
say
they're,
not,
but
I
think
that's
a
lien
to
how
is
the
federal
government
and
financially
supporting
us
in
these
efforts?
I
don't
want
to
put
it
all
on
us,
because
we
again
we've
all
got
a
stake
in
this,
and
so
I
think,
combined
if
we
could
get
resources
that
equal
and
and
elevate
the
investments
in
violence
prevention
that
it
would
continue
to
work
towards
solutions.
A
In
terms
of
micro
grants
right,
we've,
never
funding
more
than
15
of
the
applicants
right
and
I
I
want
to
get
an
idea
in
terms
of
moving
forward
because
obviously
500
homicides
is,
is
500.
Homicides
too
many,
which
means
we're
going
to
be
need
to
be
investing
significantly
and
community-based
organizations
just
similarly
how
you
talked
about.
How
did
the
royalty
play
in
terms
of
your
testimony?
And
so
I
want
to
get
an
idea
in
terms
of
moving
forward.
H
I
think
we
it
has
to
be
a
tool
in
our
tool
belt,
and
so
I'm
not
saying
that
we
can
or
we
shouldn't,
invest
in
more
organizations,
but
I
will
let
you
know
that
maybe
if
we
get
to
20
25,
all
all
of
the
applications
are
not
viable.
All
of
the
applications
are
not
culturally
relevant
or
racially
relevant.
I
I
think
y'all
would
hand
my
behind
to
me
if
I
funded
some
of
these
applications
that
we
see
coming
through.
H
So
I
want
to
be
very
clear
that
getting
to
an
80
percentile
is
not
a
positive
thing.
We
want
to
make
sure
that
our
investments
are
wise,
they're,
smart
and
they're,
ready
for
they're
ready
for
the
investments
in
and
and
ready
for
community.
So
I
I
think
if
we
could
get
to
20
or
25
percent,
I
think
that
would
be
great.
H
H
A
A
Give
us
a
brief
update
on
the
status
of
hiring
and
technical
assistance
agency
to
work
with
the
nonprofit
groups
to
help
them
get
to
the
next
level
and
then
also
the
evaluation
agency
that
we're
going
to
bring
in
to
evaluate
the
programming
that
we're
going
to
be
providing
funding
for
through
the
targeted
expansion
grants.
Sure.
H
Yeah
sure
so
for
both
for
the
community
extension
grant
rfps
for
evaluation
and
for
technical
assistance,
the
rfps
have
gone
out.
We've
gotten
a
number
of
responses
for
them.
We
have
asked
for
some
follow-up
information
from
those
perspective
proposals.
We
have
just
reviewed
the
responses
from
the
evaluator.
We
are
asking
for
more
information
from
them.
H
We
will
get
that
information
no
later
than
next
week
and
then
pending
those
responses,
we
will
make
a
selection
and
proceed
with
our
our
our
technical
assistance
provider.
We
are
in
the
stage
of
reviewing
their
responses
to
our
follow-up
questions.
We
will
then
either
make
a
decision
on
those
based
on
those
follow-up
answers
or
ask
for
more
information
again,
but
we
will
have
that
that
follow
up
by
next
week
and
make
a
decision
that
will
align
with
the
announcement
of
the
grantees
good.
A
H
H
I
believe
in
in
another
hearing
and
at
least
in
some
meetings
where,
when
I
came
into
this
world,
we
elevated
the
road
map
to
safer
communities
from
just
the
office
of
violence
prevention
to
the
cluster,
and
so
now
there
are
kind
of
four
departments
who
have
shared
outcomes
directly
under
my
supervision
that
pour
into
this.
And
so
what
you
see
on
the
left-hand
side
is
our
criminal
justice
and
public
safety
assets.
H
These
are
service
providers,
town
watch
groups,
community
organizations,
our
granted
or
community
targeted
community
investment,
grantees
advocacy
groups,
contractors,
academic
institutions,
you
name
it
faith
community,
it's
up
here.
These
are
the
folks
that
we
work
with
in
our
cluster
and
you
see
the
the
red
kind
of
shaded
areas
are
pinpoint
areas
and
the
lines
are
are
dividing
up
the
the
police
districts
on
the
right
hand,
side.
The
diamonds
you
see
are
our
tactical
remediations,
and
so
we
meet
weekly
and
we
met
with
the
10
districts.
H
We
were
focused
on
in
meeting
with
those
weekly.
We
had
the
captains
present.
We
each
each
district
had
two
weeks.
The
set
up
is
each
district
has
two
weeks.
The
first
meeting
the
captain
presents
gives
us
a
a
rundown
of
issues
that
are
happening
in
his
department.
So
I'm
running
back
to
this.
For
you,
these
are
the
questions
that
we
asked
the
captains,
and
so
what
are
the
patterns?
Why
do
you
think
they're
happening?
H
What
are
some
of
the
environmental
issues
that
are
that
you
see
that
are
occurring?
Who
are
you
working
with
outside
law
enforcement
in
your
neighborhood
and
what
other
non
law
enforcement
supports?
Do
you
need,
and
so
we
run
through
this
with
every
captain
and
analyst
in
in
in
cro
and
and
they
give
us
a
multi-page
presentation
and
then
we
have
in
real
time
environmental
departments,
phs
streets,
l
and
I
clip
will
handle
the
remediations
that
are
physical
streets
in
terms
of
lighting
or
cameras.
H
If
there's
an
issue
also,
if
their
needs
folks
are
asking
about
employment,
the
office
of
workforce
and
the
department
of
commerce
is
there
if
folks
need
behavioral
health
supports
dph
is
there,
and
so
we
have
about.
On
average,
there
are
about
30
participants
in
our
tactical
meetings
on
a
weekly
basis,
really
needling
down
to
answer
the
questions
that
to
respond
to
the
questions
that
we've
asked,
the
captains.
A
To
understand,
like
that's,
the
key
component
probation
parole,
juvenile
probation
as
well
since
most
of
our
young
shooters
are
getting
younger
and
younger.
I
think
that
they
would
be
at
the
table
as
part
of
the
discussion
not
as
not
not
going
through
a
liaison
which
would
be
their
boss,
which
would
be
you
know,
cynthia
figueroa,
but
literally
at
the
table,
because
they
work
with
the
young
men
and
young.
Ladies
at
the
youth
studies
center
we're
coming
just
you,
I
call
it
still.
You
study
center,
just
trying
to
get
an
idea
so.
H
I
will
say:
council,
member
for
probation
parole.
There
are
multiple
tables
set,
and
so
tactical
may
not
be
the
most
appropriate
table
for
probation
parole.
They
are
part
of
shooting
reviews.
I
am
a
part
of
the
table
that
they
set
around
juvenile
justice
population
and
reforms
and
reports.
We
are
work
together
on
our
expedited
release
and
juvenile
assessment,
and
so
they're
not
not
at
a
table
they're
just
not,
and
so.
H
A
A
H
H
It
is
a
model
that
works
that
combines
cognitive,
behavioral,
health
therapy,
workforce
development
and
mentoring
to
work
with
adults
that
are
have
been
identified
as
potential
shooters.
It's
an
intensive
program
that
it's
it's
it's
not
a
program
in
a
traditional
sense
because
it
relies
on
the
collaboration
of
partners.
H
So
it
is
a
system
more
than
a
program
that
pro
that
forces
coordination
between
behavioral
health
partners,
workforce
partners,
employees,
city
agencies
and
behavioral
health
partners
to
really
wrap
around
supports
of
a
population
of
those
in
the
city
who
who
are
deemed
the
most
kind
of
dangerous
or
the
most
in
danger
where
we
are
in
that
process.
One
philadelphia
will
be
this,
the
first
city
that
this
model
has
been
potentially
replicated
in.
H
We
are
in
the
assessment
of
the
field
pro
status
right
now,
heartland
alliance
will
be
here
next
month.
You
all
will
be
receiving
an
invitation.
You
all
being
city
council
will
be
receiving
an
invitation
from
my
office,
in
short
order
to
participate
in
a
briefing
by
heartland
alliance,
who
is
coming
here
to
philadelphia
in
the
beginning
of
november,
and
and
they
will
be
presenting
kind
of
the
status
updates.
H
They
will
provide
be
getting
feedback
from
our
critical
partners
in
elected
positions
in
stakeholders
in
this,
the
workforce
sector,
behavioral
health
sectors,
those
as
well
as
those
who
are
directly
impacted
in
terms
of
launch
the
feasibility
study
and
the
building
of
the
model
scanning
of
the
field
in
the
building
of
the
model
based
on
the
culture
and
the
nuances
of
philadelphia,
will
take.
Through
the
end
of
this
year.
H
A
A
So
just
give
us
a
brief
status,
update
on
how
that
six
million
will
be
used
under
commerce
and
merging
gun,
violence
prevention.
We
talk
about
making
sure
that,
like
we
know,
areas
are
high
poverty.
When
you
get
your
heat
maps,
that's
just
crime.
That's
just
gun
violence.
It's
a
part
of
the
equation
right
so
from
a
prevention
standpoint.
H
How
can
you
move
in
in
a
financial
way
without
being
displaced
in
a
physical
way?
How
do
we
give
credence
and
credibility
to
your
your
your
hustle
skills
in
entrepreneurship,
for
a
population
of
those
who
are
at
a
risk
of
violence?
How
do
we
take
it
very
seriously,
so
we
provide,
we
can
provide
workforce
training
and
build
on-ramps
to
positive
and
purpose-driven
careers.
We
can
find
opportunities
and
training
for
ways
that
we
can
turn
kind
of
your
hustle
mentality
into
entrepreneurship.
H
We
can
support
you
in
if
you
have
training
being
being
able
to
provide
opportunities
for
you
to
utilize,
that
training
and
and
connect
you
with
partners,
employment,
partners
and
so
step,
one
is
identifying
the
archetypes
of
those
who
need
us.
The
most
step.
Two
is
figuring
out
where
the
opportunities
lie
and
jobs
lie
and
then
step.
Three
is:
how
do
we
build
those
on-ramps
to
those
and
stop
kind
of
forcing
people
to
find
the
yellow,
brick
road?
How
do
we
actually
kind
of
make
it
very
obvious
and
clear?
H
H
Has
has
gone
so
I
worked
in
hospitality
20
years
ago
and
now
I'm
in
city
leadership,
and
so,
if,
if
my
cousins,
who
live
further
southwest
from
me,
had
the
same
economic
mobility
that
I
do,
regardless
of
their
education,
privilege
and
and
and
job
opportunities,
what
would
it
look
like
if
they
were
a
carpenter
or
floor
layer
and
were
able
to
continue
to
move
and
not
be
displaced
and
what
what
social
cohesion
would
we
have
in
our
neighborhoods?
If
we
had
economic
mobility
as
opposed
to
displacement,.
A
We
want
to
have
a
thousand
young
people
hired.
We
want
to
engage
a
thousand
young
people
with
trauma-informed
care.
We
want
to
engage
a
thousand
young
people
with
credible
messenger
felt
fellowships
like.
Can
you
kind
of
crystallize
that
part
of
your
presentation
to
kind
of,
or
you
know
from
a
targeting
standpoint,
because
usually
when
there's
a
target
right,
the
mission
is
focused
on
reaching
that
number
from
an
engagement
standpoint,
and
I
just
want
to
get
an
idea.
If
you
know,
is
there
any
thinking
around
that
type
of
process.
H
There
is
in
the
challenge,
and-
and
I
I
hear
what
you're
saying
and-
and
I
want
to
be
able
to
to
give
you
a
clear
and
definitive
answer,
but
my
concern,
often
with
our
reliance
on
quantitative
numbers,
is
we
measure-
and
I
mentioned
this
and
we
measure
effort
and
not
impact
and
and
and
I'm
really
nervous
about,
saying,
yeah
like
we
should
be
able
to
reduce
violence
by
35
percent
in
five
years.
That
is
a
big
ass
goal
and
I
would
love
to
have
it.
H
However,
I
also
wanna
I
I
want
to
be
careful
because
the
the
the
nature
and
the
culture
of
violence
has
changed,
and
so
I
can
set
goals
and
say
it'd
be
great
to
say.
Yes,
we've
got
a
thousand
young
people
who
have
been
through
our
credible
messenger
fellowship
over
the
next
seven
years
that,
yes,
I
would
absolutely
love
to
do.
I
think
that
is
a
reasonable
goal,
but
the
nature
of
violence,
just
in
two
years
and
in
what
the
violence
is,
has
changed.
H
A
But
doesn't
statistics
show
that
I
mean,
and
this
is
why
we
talk
about
the
violence
prevention
approach.
Is
that
what
is
high
poverty
right,
like
you
know,
the
basis
of
a
lot
of
why
we
see
our
young
people
in
our
families
living
in
neighborhoods
of
crime
and
violence
is
just
based
upon
the
neighbors
experiencing
poverty
right
rather
that's
redlining,
rather
than
inequality
of
our
education
system.
A
Right-
and
I
guess
I'm
flipping
it
not
from
the
perspective
of
the
goal-
is
to
reduce
the
gun,
violence
right,
but
really
measuring
aggressively
how
many
young
people
we
want
to
actually
touch
with
the
investments
of
resources
right
to
help
them
change
the
quality
of
lives.
I
guess
that's
the
direction,
I'm
looking
at
it
in
okay,.
H
H
H
We
can
help
that,
but
until
we
make
investments
to
reduce
poverty,
to
elevate
all
levels
of
education
to
make
sure
that
folks
have
quality,
culturally,
responsive
behavioral
health
supports
in
their
neighborhoods,
that
they
trust
and
utilize
quality
health,
education
and
support,
including
sexual
health
for
young
people,
and
then
social
connectivity
back
in
our
neighborhoods,
ensuring
that
we
get
and
that
we're
connected
to
our
neighbors
and
we
re
rebuild
our
village.
We
are
going
to
keep
having
this
conversation
in
perpetuity
every
five
to
seven
years.
H
A
And-
and
I
I
definitely
understand
that-
and
obviously
it's
not
all
on
just
your
particular
department,
again,
it's
all
hands
on
deck,
the
pro
comprehensively.
We
have
to
approach
it.
It's
just
always
in
my
mind,
just
from
a
city
standpoint
right,
we
talk
about
investments,
that's
been
like
the
great
buzzword
we've
been
talking
about
over
the
last
year
when
we
have
a
targeted
like
zero,
like
focus
right
on
how
we're
going
to
utilize
those
investments
forever.
A
Rather
it's
around
this
making
sure
behavioral
health
services
are
there,
which
hasn't
traditionally
been
there,
but
we,
when
we
increase
the
budget
for
the
department
of
behavioral
health,
then
as
a
result
that
funding
should
flow
through
those
key
areas
with
people
who
are
in
need.
We've
always
did
a
significant
job
in
supporting
the
school
district
right
and
they
will
be
here
and
I
follow
pain
on
november
the
3rd.
Just
for
the
record
for
everybody
that's
listening.
This
is
this.
A
There
will
be
a
continuation
of
this
particular
hearing,
but
nevertheless,
just
looking
at
it
from
from
that
aspect
of
marshalling
resources,
specifically
with
a
targeted
goal
around
our
young
people,
and
it's
not
going
to
just
take
one
area,
it's
going
to
take
a
variety
of
different
areas,
but
that's
just
something
I
just
wanted
to
put
out
there,
but
as
always
eric
erica.
Thank
you,
though,
for
your
feedback.
A
G
G
Can
you
give
us
at
least
two
examples
of
a
specific
block
or
geography
where
we've
really
dug
in
right
and
we've
invested
not
only
police
resources
but
the
other
resources
of
our
city,
whether
that
be
vacant
lots?
You
know
home
remediation
economic
resources
over
a
sustained
period
of
time
to
alleviate
violence.
H
H
H
We
worked
with
a
block
that
had
experienced
the
shooting.
We
had
a
group
of
young
people
who
were
working
off
fines
and
fees.
We
did
kind
of
a
neighbor
circle
with
them
and
had
them
help
clean
up
the
block
with
the
neighbors,
and
so
that
did
two
things
one.
It
showed
that
the
neighbors
of
that
block
knew
that
the
that
folks
cared
about
them
and
they
were
there
for
support
to.
It,
gave
the
young
people
an
opportunity
to
engage
with
caring
adults
in
a
way
that
they
were
extremely
responsive
to
oftentimes.
H
When
young
people
are
mended
to
do
community
service,
it
is
some
form
of
child
labor,
but
like
how
do
we
get
them?
They
say
that
jokingly,
but
how
do
we
get
them
engaged
in
positive
activity
at
the
same
time
as
they
are
working
off
their
community
service?
That
is
one
way,
but
I
can
definitely
follow
up
with
some
more
concrete
examples.
I
just
don't
have
them
off
the
top
of
my
head.
G
H
A
Provide
just
give
us
the
committee
an
overdate
like
an
update
of
the
scorecard.
That
says
these
are
the
results
of
the
tactical
meetings
and
turn
from
a
measurable
standpoint,
so
we
can
get
a
crystallized
view
of
okay.
Here's
what
the
issues
are.
Here's,
how
the
issues
are
being
addressed
from
an
impact
standpoint.
H
Okay,
we
have
a
report
on
kind
of
what
the
ask
have
been.
What
has
been
done
about
that?
How
long
it
took
to
get
it
done.
Have
we
touched
back?
Do
we
need
to
touch
back
the
once
we
meet
with
a
police
district?
That
is
not
the
only
time
that
we
talk
to
them.
We
do
check
backs
with
them.
They
cut
they're
they're
fairly
consistent.
G
G
I
think
it's
important
for
not
just
for
us
to
have
private
conversations,
but
the
private
conversations
that
happen
between
council
in
your
office
are
important,
but
it's
also
important
for
the
public
to
understand
how
we're
marshaling
these
resources
and
concrete
ways
to
to
keep
them
safe
and
to
and
to
make
this
issue
better.
So
thank
you,
mr
chair.
That
was
the
only
question
I
had
at
this
time.
A
I
just
want
to
say
for
the
record:
we
have
been
joined
by
councilman
maria
keane
sanchez,
I'm
councilman
idea,
thomas
and
councilwoman
kendra
brooks
I
had
a
question
I
wanted
to
follow
up
on
erica
regarding
I
saw
on
the
assets
for
the
tactical
unit.
The
work
I
mean
the
organization
of
town
watch
tonight.
A
I
think
it's
a
different
model
that
we
have
now
that
we
did.
I
think
town
watch
went
into
two
phases.
It
was
the
traditional
town
watch
we
put
on
like
the
bright,
yellow
jacket
and
walk
down
the
street
and
then
under
another
administration.
It
was
the
mbo
model
of
town
watch
where
okay,
we're
going
to
take
off
the
town,
wise
jackets
and
start
sending
people
to
the
community
to
engage
from
a
quality
of
life,
standpoint
right
and
then
also,
I
guess
this
day
and
age
right.
A
I
do
a
lot
of
work
with
pan,
but
I
have
to
give
a
shout
out
to
anthony
murphy
only
for
the
simple
fact
that
every
time
I
need
backup
or
support
and
I'm
going
to
be
out
there
in
the
street,
they
show
up
no
problem
talking
to
the
residents
addressing
their
issues,
but
also
addressing
the
gun.
Violence
perspective
as
well
from
an
intervention
standpoint.
So
earlier,
even
when
you
say
early
on,
we
do
intervention,
not
all,
not
also
just
prevention.
I
agree
with
you
because
the
intervention
will
also
stops
the
homicide.
A
If
you
can't
get
in
front
of
it
and
a
lot
of
times,
it's
tough
to
get
in
front
of
it
because
of
just
the
nature
of
what
we're
dealing
with.
But
the
intervention
also
can
stop
that
next
homicide
from
happening-
and
I
saw
in
terms
of
tactical
meetings
that
town
watch
plays
a
role
in
that
which
I
think
hopefully
at
some
capacity
we
can
really
integrate
them
to
kind
of
be
a
a
support
system
with
the
work
that
pan
is
doing.
Which
brings
me
to
the
next
question
and
we'll
bring
panda
for
our
next
hearing.
A
To
give
you
ample
amount
of
time,
but
I
just
want
to
get
an
idea
of
where
we're
at
in
terms
of
expanding
the
work
of
pan.
I
know
they're
supposed
to
be
an
evaluation
of
the
work
that
they
have
done.
They're
all
supposed
to
be
an
evaluation
of
all
the
programs
under
the
office
of
violence
prevention
that
was
prior
to
you.
That
request
was
put
out
there,
so
I
don't
know,
is
vanessa
on
the
call
or
not
to
give
us
an
update,
but
if
not
I'll,
just
circle
back
on
the
november
third
hearing.
A
But
this
is
prior
to
you
coming
that
there
was
supposed
to
be
a
evaluation
of
all
the
programs.
The
city
of
philadelphia
offers
around
violence
prevention
and
then
also
here
also
a
evaluation
of
the
work
that
pan
has
done
like
pam
is
the
christ
intervention
team
so,
like
people
kind
of
want
to
know,
with
all
this
homicides
going
on
in
shootings,
like
some
some
statistical
data
on,
what's
being
done,
how
many
people
have
been
engaged?
I
mean
people
got
jobs.
H
The
status
of
sure-
and
so
I
can
speak
to
where
we
are,
with
the
community
crisis
intervention
program
evaluation
we
contracted
with
a
group
called
air.
I
forget
what
the
acronym
stands
for.
However,
they
are
in
kind
of
phase
the
first
phases
of
that
evaluation.
That
evaluation
is
actually
a
two-year
process.
H
We
are
a
few
we're
about
three
months
into
that
process
and
with
regard
to-
and
we
should
see
some
early
indicators
of
that-
we
are
assessing
kind
of
internally
our
structure
of
our
community
crisis
intervention
program
at
the
same
time
as
we're
getting
the
evaluation,
and
so
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
have
the
staffing
that
we
need.
They
get
the
support
that
they
need
and
we
are
reaching
the
neighborhoods
that
that
need
us,
the
most
and
so
in
tandem.
H
A
Currently,
pan
doesn't
have
a
contract
with
the
school
district
of
philadelphia
and
in
the
in
in
years
past,
they
did
have
a
contract
with
the
school
district
of
philadelphia,
meaning
that
allowed
them
to
go
into
the
schools
work
with
the
school
security
work
with
the
teachers
work
with
the
principals
to
address
issues
of
conflict
before
they
arise
into
neighborhood
beef
turf
wars
which
results
in
shootings.
Have
we
explored
revisiting
that
model
of
partnering
with
the
district.
H
So
while
they
don't
have
a
direct
contract
with
the
school
district
of
philadelphia,
we
do
work
and
respond
with
schools
that
are
at
a
high
risk
of
gun
violence.
I
will
utilize
grass
as
an
example,
contrary
to
never
mind
so
with
grads.
We
have
met
with
them
three
times.
We've
met
with
mastery
three
times
over
the
course
of
the
of
the
spring
and
summer.
H
We
specifically
met
with
gratz
two
of
those
three
times
we
have
been
coordinating,
not
only
our
community
crisis
intervention
workers
in
and
around
the
gratz
neighborhood
in
preventative
and
response
to
issues
in
in
a
nice
southern
yoga.
We've
also
had
time
watch,
be
responsive
to
safe
corridors
and
and
keeping
an
eye
out
on
what's
happening
in
that
neighborhood.
A
That
I
know
gratz
and
matthew,
obviously,
charter
schools
and
I
know
the
district.
They
will
be
coming
to
give
their
presentation
on
november
the
3rd.
But
I
do
remember
doing
the
last
hearing
that
I
had
for
working
a
partnership
with
councilman
and
gemma.
We
had
hearings,
it
was
kind
of
we
were
kind
of
given
the
impression
that
the
district
has
their
own
way
of
addressing
the
issue
of
gun
violence
and
the
folks
at
mastery
and
charter
schools
have
their
own
way
of
addressing
it.
So
I'm
it
feels
good
to
hear
you
say
that.
A
Well,
we
have
been
engaging
because
I
know
mastery
had
to
shut
down
for
two
days
for
grief
counseling
for
the
teachers,
as
well
as
the
children,
four
shootings,
one
homicide
and
the
first
two
weeks
of
school,
so
one
I
want
to
thank
you
and
your
team
for
staying.
On
top
of
that
which
is
critically
important.
I
remember
seeing
an
article
from
an
individual
from
grad
saying
you
know
we
need
more
support
from
city
leadership,
so
it's
good
to
hear
that
they
have
been
engaged.
A
A
The
question
was
regarding
your
obviously
of
organizations
such
as
pain,
and
that
also
knew
know
that
when
you
first
came
on
with
the
office
of
violence
prevention
and
before
you
with
chandelle,
but
we
put
a
request
in
for
the
evaluation
of
all
city-related
programs
around
violence
prevention
and
just
want
to
get
an
idea
of
what's
the
status
of
it.
Where
is
it
at
and
even
with
paying?
How
come
a
evaluation
takes
like
two
years
just
want
to
kind
of
get
an
idea
of
the
process
that
it
would
take
to
evaluate
organizations.
C
They
are
effective,
so
so
to
begin
with,
with
the
overall
evaluation.
As
you
know,
when
I
came
in,
there
had
been
a
lot
of
back
and
forth,
and
some
erroneous
numbers
and
other
things
reported
so
kind
of
tried
to
start
from
ground
zero
clearing
that
up.
There
was
a
report
that
was
given
a
corrective
report
by
myself
and
my
team
at
that
time
to
council
correcting
the
the
everything
from
the
dollar
amounts
is
fairly
complicated
in
that
most
of
the
violence
prevention.
C
Funding
that
was
taking
place
at
that
time
was
not
coming
through
the
office
of
violence
prevention,
so
it
did
not
have
direct
oversight
over
those
programs
or
evaluations.
I
would
say
the
lion's
share
of
the
programming
was
coming
through
the
department
of
human
services,
where
some
evaluations
are
done.
The
issue
becomes
whether
it
is
an
evaluation
from
more
of
a
child
welfare
standpoint,
as
opposed
to
a
violence
prevention
standpoint.
C
And
so,
when
you
talk
about
effectiveness,
they
could
be
effective
in
the
child
welfare
arena
and
not
necessarily
be
as
effective
in
the
violence
prevention
arena,
but
I
won't
lie
when
I
say:
there's
been
a
lot
of
complications
and
other
things
in
terms
of
trying
to
get
that
done.
The
last
I
can
recall
before
I
stepped
out
of
that
role
and
into
this
new
one
is
that
there
was
a
work
was
being
done
with
the
department
of
human
services.
We
were
coming
up
with
sort
of
standardized
metrics.
C
Now
the
sort
of
bigger
violence
prevention
programs
are
the
community
crisis,
intervention
program
or
ccip
as
erica
just
explained,
and
then
the
other
bigger
one
that
comes
under
the
office
of
violence.
Prevention
is
our
relatively
newly
formed
group
violence,
intervention
program,
gbi,
those
are
directly
under
the
office
of
violence
prevention,
the
gbi
program
we
have
now
contracted
with
the
university
of
pennsylvania
department
of
criminology
to
conduct
the
evaluation.
C
C
I
will
say
the
that,
based
on
some
of
the
issues
that
were
highlighted
there,
what
we
did
was
try
and
bring
in
cure
violence
from
chicago
the
original
career
violence
model
to
bring
in
to
have
them
do
a
look-see
and
bring
in
some
additional
training
and
other
things,
and
that
work
has
still
moved
forward
and
it's
sort
of
rolling
into
both
the
current
ccip
evaluation.
But
it
also
helped
to
make
some
decisions
around
some
changes
and
or
other
structural
changes.
C
C
Thinking
about
making
sure
that
the
folks
that
were
selected
for
the
positions
were
the
best
folks,
because
when
you
say
credible
messenger,
it
really
has
to
be
somebody
that
has
that
certain
level
of
credibility
and
influence,
but
can
also
explain
to
people
what
else
is
out
there
and
in
some
respects
a
system
with
services.
I
know
one
of
the
things
that
I
think
was
done
was
that
there
was
sort
of
a
doubling
down
in
some
areas
and
what
we
did
was
the
social
services
piece
that
was
working
at
pan.
C
They
sort
of
put
more
into
it
to
make
sure
that
we
had
the
right
connection
stuff
in
place
for
these
individuals.
So
a
lot
of
it
was
about
sort
of
data
and
kind
of
the
record-keeping
peace
and
just
making
sure
that
we
had
the
right
folks
there,
but
also
felt
like
it
needed.
We
wanted
to
have
some
additional
training
for
them
and
that's
where
we
brought
in
cure
violence
and
they
did
actually
look
at
everything
from
and
that
took
a
minute.
C
The
administrative
and
kind
of
management
pieces
of
it
and
and
making
some
recommendations,
but
they're
also
working
on
train
actually
training,
our
credible
messengers
and
they
go
through
an
extensive
training
program
when
they
come
to
pan.
That
pam
puts
together
but
being
able
to
have
this
sort
of
nationally
recognized
organization.
A
H
A
Okay,
can
you
make
sure
we
get
that
information?
Please,
okay,
I
don't
have
any
other
questions
there
if
there
are
no
questions
from
other
members
of
the
committee
erica.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank
you
for
your
dedication.
Thank
you
for
your
hard
work
vanessa
as
well,
and
look
forward
to
continuously
trying
to
address
your
symptoms
issue
of
gun,
violence
in
the
city
of
philadelphia.
Thank
you
very
much.
D
All
right
is
everyone
able
to
see
the
presentation
awesome.
Thank
you
so
much
so
good
morning.
Thank
you
chairman.
Thank
you
to
the
special
committee
on
gun
violence
for
allowing
me
to
speak
this
morning
and
for
your
advocacy
and
commitment
on
behalf
of
philadelphians
as
we
work
together
to
create
lasting
solutions
to
gun
violence.
D
My
name
is
ruther
bay,
I'm
the
injury
prevention
program
manager
at
the
health
department
here
at
phil
here
in
philadelphia,
and
I
came
to
this
work
from
my
role
as
a
pediatric
emergency
medicine
physician
where
I
saw
far
too
many
children
not
only
directly
affected
by
gun
violence,
but
traumatized
by
the
profound
effects
of
violence
in
their
families
and
communities.
So
I'm
pleased
to
provide
the
committee
with
an
update
on
our
work
and
some
thoughts
on
important
future
directions
for
our
program.
D
D
Chief
among
them
are
that
everyone
should
have
a
chance
to
be
free
from
injury
and
violence,
that
violence
is
a
public
health
problem
amenable
to
the
tools
of
public
health
and
that
violence
affects
more
than
the
individual
affects
the
community
and
can
be
most
effectively
addressed
by
focusing
on
not
just
individual
level
factors
but
community
level
factors
and
structural
violence
as
well.
Defining
structural
violence
is
the
ways
in
which
social
structures
harm
and
disadvantage
people.
D
D
So
this
is
just
an
overview
summary
that
we
generated
of
our
findings
from
year,
one
so
the
end
of
2020,
and
it
describes
what
the
review
team
is
and
what
it
does,
which
is
a
group
that
performs
in-depth
case
reviews
of
victims
of
fire
and
homicide
as
well
as
our,
and
this
also
demonstrates
our
most
notable
findings,
which
I'm
going
to
highlight
here.
So
some
key
findings
that
are
worth
highlighting,
though,
has
to
be
said
that
one
year
of
cases
is
a
small
number
of
individuals.
D
Having
said
that,
all
of
them
have
made
contact
with
local
health
care
systems,
and
the
vast
majority
had
made
contact
with
law
enforcement
or
dhs,
and
this
is
information-
that's
just
a
starting
point.
Next
steps
include
thinking
through
the
nature
of
these
points
of
contact
and
how
they
might
actually
serve
as
opportunities
for
prevention
and
intervention.
D
D
So
this
is
something
that
obviously
raised
multiple
red
flags
and
again
emphasizes
the
need
for
response
for
those
who
are
traumatically,
injured
or
violently
injured
in
that
key
moment
of
engagement,
so
this
table
demonstrates
it's
an
example
from
early
on
of
how
we
just
decided
to
define
our
action
items.
So
these
are
examples
of
action
items
that
we
identified.
D
For
example,
one
action
item
that
is
worth
drawing
attention
to
is
the
potential
for
the
hvap
or
hospital-based
model
to
work
in
novel
settings,
and
so
what
was
identified
in
discussing
one
of
our
cases
is
that
when
people
are
seen
in
the
hospital-based
setting
there's
at
least
a
model
in
existence
which
we
certainly
can
grow
and
expand
upon
to
recruit
them
into
comprehensive
case
management
in
the
outpatient
setting.
But
if
someone
is
released
from
incarceration,
there's
not
a
similar
model.
D
There
are
certainly
services
available
through
the
city
for
those
individuals,
but
it's
not
in
the
same
model.
There's
no
particular
reason
why
the
hvip
model
couldn't
be
used
in
post
incarceration
settings,
school-based
settings,
etc,
and
so
these
are
some
of
the
ideas
that
we
hope
to
build
upon
that
we
need
to
think
carefully
about
in
acting
and
following
up
on
in
future
work.
D
So
what
are
our
ambitions
for
this
particular
endeavor
moving
forward?
We
would
love
to
dedicate
personnel
to
this
effort
for
improved
data
collection,
to
streamline
the
follow-up
of
action
items
and
then
to
begin
to
measure
the
effects
of
implementation,
so
we've
determined
that
the
roadmap
executive
implementation
meeting
is
the
appropriate
form
to
bring
these
action
items
to
in
order
to
ensure
follow-through
we'd
like
to
expand
on
some
of
the
data
sources.
D
I
did
want
to
briefly
say
that
this
is
a
model.
This
is
just
the
definition
for
those
who
may
not
be
familiar.
This
is
an
intervention
that
classically
begins
in
a
healthcare
setting
in
the
er
or
at
a
hospital
bedside,
and
then
follows
up
with
long-term
community
based
case
management,
subs
case
management
subsequently,
and
there
are
a
number
of
services
that
are
usually
tailored
to
the
individual's
needs
that
are
provided
over
a
long
period
of
time
for
those
who
are
engaged
in
these
types
of
services.
D
It's
worth
noting
that
the
the
kind
of
core
national
organization
for
these
groups
really
believes
that
addressing
the
social
determinants
of
health
is
a
critical
part
of
making
this
effective,
and
that
goes
back
to
the
value
I
mentioned
before,
of
a
community-based
intervention
rather
than
just
focusing
on
the
individual.
That's
how
I
think
this
becomes
more
than
just
intervention,
but
also
prevention,
right
of
the
next
shooting
that
may
be
coming
down
the
road.
D
So
our
goal
is
to
begin
at
philadelphia,
county
level,
one
trauma
centers,
and
we
would
include
all
hospital-based
response
programs
that
would
focus
on
improving
recruitment,
identifying
barriers
to
recruitment
and
identifying
the
relevant
shared
outcomes.
So,
as
an
example,
there's
evidence
to
suggest
that
engagement
in
these
programs
might
do
some
of
these
long-term
things
like
reduce
subsequent
involvement
in
the
criminal
justice
system
and
reduce
the
likelihood
of
being
shot
again.
But
there
are
other
outcomes
that
are
more
proximal
that
are
also
important.
D
Do
we
find
that
people
who
are
engaged
are
more
likely
to
find
gainful
employment?
Are
they
more
likely
to
be
connected
to
mental
health
services?
Those
are
also
incredibly
significant
and
contribute
positively
to
the
community,
so
I
wanted
to
spend
just
a
moment
discussing
the
injury
prevention
dashboard
as
another
key
portion
of
our
commitment
to
providing
publicly
available
data
on
gun
violence
for
the
city.
As
many
of
you
remember,
this
was
launched
earlier
this
year
as
a
first
stage
and
is
available
on
the
health
department
website.
D
The
dashboard
begins
by
showing
how
four
social
determinants
of
health
so
poverty,
education,
employment
and
opportunity.
Youth
correlate
with
numbers
of
shooting
victims
by
zip
code,
and
this
image
shows
poverty
as
an
example
and
the
ever
concerning
overlay
of
poverty
with
the
existence
of
violence
in
philadelphia
communities.
D
D
We've
also
added
some
additional
months
of
data
on
our
emergency
room
visits,
and
this,
of
course
ties
into
the
work
we
would
like
to
do
in
improving
kind
of
hospital-based
response
and
follow-up
for
individuals
who
are
initially
approached
in
this
setting
and,
finally
we're
tracking
data
on
costs
as
it
becomes
available.
Obviously,
nothing
compares
to
the
human
costs
and
also
it's
important
to
realize
that
hospitalization
is
only
a
fraction
of
the
total,
even
financial
costs
of
gun,
violence,
emergency
costs,
follow-up
care
lost
wages,
the
cost
of
navigating
the
criminal
justice
system.
D
So
we
have
several
new
directions:
we'd
like
to
pursue
on
the
dashboard.
In
particular,
we
have
a
number
of
additional
metrics
and
indicators.
We
hope
to
add
in
the
future,
but
one
in
particular
that
should
be
mentioned
is
assets
and
resources.
So
this
would
be
in
keeping
with
the
place-based
approach
of
the
city
roadmap
plan
and
would
allow
individuals
to
access
help
in
addition
to
information.
So
we
don't
just
want
to
highlight
a
community
or
a
zip
code,
or
any
type
or
census
block
or
any
geographic
region
where
there
is
a
problem.
D
We
would
also
like
to
highlight
what
solutions
exist
in
that
same
location
and
again,
that's
it
very
much
in
keeping
with
what
ms
app
would
just
outline
from
the
roadmap
plan.
There
are
a
number
of
interventions
that
were
studied
right
here
in
philadelphia
such
as
greening
and
blight
remediation,
which
is
one
that
I
always
like
to
bring
to
the
forefront
which,
in
addition
to
reducing
violence,
improves
the
general
health
and
well-being
of
communities.
D
It
would
be
great
to
track
those
kinds
of
efforts
through
this
type
of
centralized
system
as
well,
and
then,
finally,
we
want
to
connect
our
work
from
other
injury
prevention
efforts.
So
I
gave
some
examples
here,
some
of
the
things
that
we
would
like
to
see
on
the
dashboard
so
that
there's
a
streamlined
way
for
all
stakeholders
to
see
what
the
injury
prevention
program
is
up
to.
D
Those
are
the
people
who
we've
been
trying
to
get
information
for
around
pre-event
factors
and
we're
in
the
kind
of
host
human
factor
section
right
now,
there's
also
an
opportunity
to
further
implement
and
measure
other
evidence-based
strategies,
some
of
which
were
studied
here.
As
I
mentioned
before,
and
prevention
is
always
the
focus
optimizing
that
pre-event
space
and
and
the
resources
available
in
the
pre-event
space
is
our
our
continued
goal.
A
I'm
staying
on
top
of
this
issue
from
a
health
standpoint
just
had
a
couple
questions
and
I'm
glad
that
you
gave
us
an
update
on
the
hospital-based
innovate
interventions
approach.
My
colleague
and
I
councilman
jamie
gardier.
You
know
both
of
us
are
very,
very
strong
advocates
of
the
work
that
you're
doing.
We
advocate
it
with
the
administration
for
funding
to
try
to
help
expand,
hospital-based
intervention
but,
most
importantly,
support
on
the
follow-up
on
this
type
of
work.
A
A
H
A
A
D
Sure
so
I'll
start
there
so
and
I'll
keep
this
up
just
for
people
to
reference.
So
the
conversation
we
had
here
was
we
had
parties
from
several
of
the
hospital-based
response
programs
that
are
members
of
the
injury.
The
homicide
review
team
as
well,
and
those
individuals
had
noted
that
this
idea
that,
when
you're
at
the
bedside,
we
recognize
that
that's
a
teachable
moment.
It's
also
a
moment
in
which
someone
might
be
particularly
receptive
to
intervention.
D
We
can
then
connect
you
to
resources
and
then
follow
you
using
the
same
program,
the
same
core
team
and
kind
of
culturally
competent
care
people
who
are
specifically
skilled
in
violence,
intervention
work
to
follow
you
as
you
leave
that
setting
and
there's
no
reason
that
the
setting
can
can't
be
a
prison
setting
or
school
setting
in
addition
to
a
hospital
setting.
So
that
was
the
idea
that
came
out
of
the
conversation
in
this
particular
homicide
review
team
meeting.
D
I
think
that
the
the
first
step
is
to
figure
out
how
to
optimize
and
centralize
the
work
we're
doing
in
the
place
where
it's
been
studied
and
practiced,
which
is
a
hospital
basis,
and
then
I
think
we
can
extract
four
lessons
from
that.
To
say
this.
These
are
the
pieces
of
this
that
are
easily
done
in
these
additional
settings.
I
think
it
would
be
fairly
novel
for
us
to
do
that.
A
D
Initiative
sure
thank
you
yeah,
so
I
believe
we're
awaiting
a
final
decision
as
to
the
allocation
of
that
funding.
Our
hope
is
to
have
a
central
kind
of
project
management
team
that
would
liaise
between
all
of
the
different
parties
at
all
of
the
trauma
centers.
We
had
our
first
convening
in
july
of
this
year
and
we
had
representation
from
all
of
the
area
trauma
centers,
including
the
ones
that
don't
have
active
hospital-based
programs,
and
I
think
what
we
learned
is
that
there
there's
a
great
amount
of
commitment.
D
I
think
for
this
work,
there's
a
lot
of
benefit
to
everyone
being
able
to
speak
with
one
another
about
how
they're
recruiting
what
their
barriers
are
and
how
we
can
optimize
care
in
this
setting.
I
do
think
it's
worth
saying
that
these
programs
don't
just
work
with
those
who
are
violently
injured
by
a
gun.
They
recruit
individuals
who
are
violently
injured,
depending
on
the
program
in
a
myriad
of
ways,
and
so
that's
really
an
opportunity
for
prevention.
D
If
someone
is
a
victim
of
stabbing
or
an
assault,
having
a
conversation
and
providing
resources
with
that
individual
at
that
stage
might
actually
be
preventative.
For
more
serious
crime
and
there's
some
evidence
to
suggest
that
that's
the
case
that
those
who
are
assault
injured
might
be
at
subsequent
risk
of
gun,
violence,
injury
in
particular,
and
so
I
definitely
think
that
everyone
sees
the
value
of
this
and
it
was
great
to
have
such
a
wide
range
of
stakeholders
at
the
first
convening.
A
A
Let's
say
he
gets
over
on
the
guy.
Guy
pulls
out
a
gun
starts.
Shooting
at
him
doesn't
hit
him
right,
but
because
he
was
shot
at
right
after
a
fight
right,
he
decided
to
pick
up
a
gun
to
retaliate
or
the
person
get
jumps
after
school
and
they
get
assaulted
right,
go
to
the
hospital
banged
up
and
bruised.
A
They
don't
have
anybody
to
decompress
how
they're
feeling
no
one
to
talk
to
they
take
their
trauma.
Go
back
home,
revenge
mentality,
peer
pressure,
saying
you
got
to
retaliate
person
picks
up
a
gun.
So
I'm
very
glad
that
you
said
it's
beyond
just
an
individual
who
has
been
who
has
been
a
victim
of
gun
violence.
They
can
be
the
person
who's
been
a
victim
of
any
type
of
assault
right
or
any
type
of
negative
incident
that
can
also
steer
them
to
pick
up
a
gun
and
addressing
it
from
that
aspect
is
obviously
being
preventative.
A
The
other
question
was:
you
talked
about
environmental
interventions.
You
know
removing
graffiti
lighting
planting
trees,
improving
the
quality
of
life
of
an
area.
When
you
look
at
research
right,
what
do
you
think
that
we
should
prioritize
our
efforts
when
it
comes
to
addressing
it
from
that
aspect
comprehensively
from
environmental
aspect?.
D
Yeah,
so
I
think
that
I
think
one
of
the
most
notable
studies
that
was
done
right
here
in
philadelphia.
That
demonstrated
an
effect
is
that
which
was
done
by
charlie
brones
and
gina,
south
and
and
colleagues
looking
at
the
effect
of
of
the
the
work
that
phs
does
in
blight
remediation
and
in
greening
in
particular,
and
so
they
do
something,
I
believe
is
called
the
land
care
program
care.
D
And
what
they
do,
they
were
able
to
demonstrate
a
measurable
effect
on
shooting
incidents,
in
particular,
in
addition
to
some
other
effects
like
how
scared
people
feel
in
their
neighborhood,
which
is
not
at
all
insignificant.
So
I
think
that
there's
a
lot
of
potential
to
expand,
greening
work
and
blight
remediation
in
kind
of
core
locations
throughout
the
city
and
the
place
based
methodology
that
the
roadmap
team
is
is,
is
in
general
implementing
right.
So
you
heard
erica
talk
about
how
it's
district
by
district
people
identify
where
the
problems
are.
D
But
I
think
that's
that's
a
major
one,
so
houses
and
the
way
that
houses
are
remediated
so
that
the
windows
aren't
broken,
etc.
The
way
that
we
think
about
lighting
the
way
that
we
think
about
just
beautifying
neighborhoods
and
I
think
that
there
are
effects
beyond
reducing
violence,
and
so
how
can
we
think
about
the
effects
on
mental
health
and
the
effects
on
other
chronic
diseases
of
remediating
neighborhoods?
I
think
there's
just
a
lot
of
additional
work.
We
can
do
there.
G
Hi,
I'm
sorry
thank
you,
mr
chair
hi,
dr
abaya.
Welcome
back
and
congratulations.
I
wanted
to
know
if
you
could
expound
upon.
You
know
the
the
money
that
we
fought
for
in
the
budget.
I
believe
it
was
like
a
half
a
million
dollars
to
go
towards
your
work.
Can
you
just
expound
upon
what
that
would
mean
in
terms
of
staff,
but
also
in
terms
of
output
in
an
impact
sure.
D
So
are
you
able
to
hear
me
still
good
okay,
so
we
had
a
number
of
ideas
for
as
far
as
staff
people
who
could
kind
of
make
this
effort
successful.
So
that
includes
someone
who
would
do
more
project
management
work.
So
there
are
a
lot
of
different
programs
who
work
in
hospitals
they're,
not
identical.
They
work
in
different
ages.
D
D
How
many
of
them
did
we
recruit
from
year
to
year?
And
what
can
we
say
about
the
the
long-term
outcomes
for
those
individuals?
And
then
we
also
want
to
make
sure
that
we
provide
some
additional
funding
specifically
to
organizations
that
do
this
work.
If
they're
going
to
be
responsible
for
providing
the
city
with
additional
data
on
their
work
and
kind
of
liaising
between
us,
we
want
to
make
sure
that
we
empower
them
to
do
that,
recognizing
that
their
staff
is
often
already
stretched,
then
doing
the
actual
work
of
responding
to
violence.
G
G
D
So
I
think
the
first
step
in
the
process
of
identifying
a
need
and
determining
whether
or
not
we
can
fill
it
is
to
see
whether
or
not
there's
an
existing
program
or
party
within
the
city
of
philadelphia,
public
or
private,
who
might
provide
that
service
and
whether
or
not
there's
a
way
that
we
can
either
expand
that
that
role
better
fund.
It
better
support
it,
evaluate
it
so
that
we
can
make
it
functional
and
if
there
is
no
service,
if
there's
a
need,
that's
found,
but
no
service.
That
answers
it.
D
That's
where
I
think
there's
room
for
true
innovation
and
building
something
new,
but
I
think
that
the
value
of
the
convenings
that
exists
within
the
city
are
to
try
to
say
this
doesn't
need
to
be
found.
Is
anyone
doing
this
or
anything
that
approximates
this
and
if
there's
and
and
what
does
that
look
like?
Could
it
be
expanded
or
modified
slightly
to
meet
this
additional
need?
So,
for
example,
as
I'd
reference
there's,
you
know
plenty
of
kind
of
post
incarceration
response
and
work
done
with
returning
citizens
in
the
city
in
various
forums.
D
How
do
we
look
at
what
that
is
borrow
from
a
model
that
we
know
works
in
another
setting
and
add
to
those
existing
efforts,
and
that's
both,
I
think,
streamlines
things
for
individuals,
so
they're
not
getting
14
phone
calls
after
they're
left
after
they
leave
the
hospital
after
they
leave
present
after
they
leave
any
setting.
It
also
helps
us
to
be
internally
communicative
and
make
sure
that
we're
busting
silos
between
divisions
and
and
finally,
I
think,
it's
just
fiscally
responsible
to
make
sure
that
we're
optimizing.
G
D
D
So
that's
that's
the
current
plan.
I
think
that
the
dream
scenario
would
be
that
we
would
have
someone
who
again
has
project
management
skills.
Who
has
the
ability
to
kind
of
follow
up
and
liaise
between
departments
to
say
what
are
the?
What?
What
are
the
pieces
of
this
service?
Are
there
pieces
that
are
being
provided
elsewhere
and
then
what's
missing
and
where?
How
can
we
best
provide
provide
that?
So
those
are
some
of
the
ideas
that
we
have.
G
A
F
Thank
you
so
much
my
name
is
morning,
commissioner,
how
are
you
I'm
well?
Thank
you.
Thank
you
very
much.
I'm
danielle
outlaw.
I
am
the
police
commissioner,
here
with
the
philadelphia
police
department,
and
this
morning
I'm
joined
per
usual
by
the
executive
team
in
the
event
that
there
are
some
questions
that
you
may
have
for
any
of
us.
I
am
going
to
start
with
giving
you
an
update.
F
F
We
put
this
slide
in
here,
because
this
is
one
of
the
slides
that
we
tend
to
show
during
our
bi-weekly
pressers,
and
what
this
does
is
show
week
to
week
a
comparison
of
the
homicides
in
the
shooting.
So
we
can
see
how
much
it
fluctuates
examining
and
I
like
to
use
dc
dale's
statement
when
he
says
green
is
good.
Red
is
bad
easiest
way
to
say
it.
F
Remember
this
same
time.
Last
year
we
were
deeply
entrenched
in
the
pandemic.
The
covet
19
pandemic
so
focusing
on
our
strategies
and
with
the
pandemic
appearing
to
slow
down
a
bit,
we're
hoping
to
see
the
total
year-to-date
comparison
of
homicides
and
shooting
victims
decrease
or
drop
next
slide.
Please.
F
This
is
a
reminder
of
our
model,
and
the
goal
set
forth
in
operation
pinpoint
operation
pinpoint
is
how
we
operationally
implement
the
umbrella
of
philadelphia
roadmap
for
safer
communities.
So
if
you
recall,
when
we
first
wrote
the
plan
out
in
june
of
2020,
we
not
only
laid
out
these
goals,
but
one
of
the
goals
was
to
establish
an
operating
model,
so
it
was
very
clear
what
we
were
supposed
to
be
doing
and
and
that's
what
this
framework
is
so
goals,
one
and
two
and
seven.
F
F
We
have
not
met
these
goals,
we
are
still
working
towards
these
goals,
but
with
all
of
that
said,
we
do
know
that,
in
the
short
term,
pinpoint
is
showing
positive
results.
I
mentioned
that
we
met
our
action
plan
goal
of
implementing
pinpoint
in
45
areas
across
the
city
that
was,
there
was
an
expansion.
Upon
my
arrival.
We
only
had
a
few.
We
didn't
have
representation
across
the
city
we
now
do.
We
also
know
that
our
shooting
victim
counts
show
a
12
decrease
in
our
pinpoint
areas.
F
We're
seeing
11
reduction
in
shooting
victims
and
we're
flat
in
our
homicides
under
the
leadership
of
captain
o'donnell
in
the
17th
district,
we're
seeing
a
46
percent
decrease
in
our
shooting
victims
and
a
43
decrease
in
homicides
and
then
also
in
the
first
district,
we're
seeing
a
40.
This
is
under
captain
zafino
41
decrease
in
our
shooting
victims
and
a
26
decrease
in
homicides
and
then
in
the
26th
district
under
captain
fisher
we're
seeing
an
uptick
a
slight
uptick
in
our
shooting
victims
of
3.8
percent.
F
We're
seeing
a
42
decrease
in
our
homicides
and
then
also
in
the
kensington
district.
We've
seen
in
the
last
year,
an
overall
decrease
of
17
in
our
violent
crime,
most
notable
a
32
reduction
in
our
shooting
victims
and
a
43
reduction
in
our
aggravated
assault
with
the
firearm
and
when
again,
looking
at
kensington
through
the
combined
effort
of
the
kensington
district,
that
we
established
our
east
division
personnel
and
the
support
of
our
narcotics
enforcement.
Our
district
boundaries
have
achieved
a
127
percent
increase
in
arrest
for
buffa.
F
So,
while
again,
we
still
have
some
long-term
goals
that
we
need
to
meet
in
the
short
term
and
some
very
specific
targeted
areas.
We
are
seeing
some
wins
and
then
lastly,
I
want
to
remind
before
I
move
on
to
the
next
slide.
I
want
to
remind
folks
that
our
staffing
levels
are
down
8.2
percent
since
2016.
F
F
A
I
just
wanted
to.
I
should
be
waiting
until
the
end,
but
those
those
those
numbers
are
how
to
say.
I
guess
I
would
say
inspiring.
I
just
want
to
get
an
idea
of,
and
I
represent
the
12th
police
district
and
I
also
represent
the
17th,
and
I
guess
what
what
are
those
like,
the
best
practices
that
those
captains
are
doing
to
get
those
numbers
where
they're
at
I
know
there
was
a
major
indictment
of
certain
neighborhood
gangs
in
south
philly.
A
I
know
for
a
fact
after
that
indictment,
it's
been
quiet,
so
I
definitely
know
that
player
that
made
a
major
role
in
it
because
I'm
on
the
ground
in
both
areas.
But
I
know
what
happened
in
south
philly,
that
kind
of
quiet
and
kind
of
dead.
It
them
two
guys
them
two
groups
from
going
back
and
forth
all
those
years,
but
could
those
obviously
you're
already
gonna,
try
to
duplicate
those
efforts?
A
F
I
knew
you
would
ask
that
question.
I
think
that's
a
fair
question
because
and
before
I
turn
it
over
to
dc
dales,
I
mean,
I
think
the
obvious
is
well.
What
do
you
do
when
you
see
something
working
I
like
to
say
how
do
we
put
that
in
a
bottle
and
sell
it?
Obviously,
every
neighborhood
is
different.
Community
engagement
is
different
depending
on
where
you
are
in
the
city.
F
But
again
we
have
been
focusing
focusing
focusing
by
honing
down
again
through
the
use
of
data
through
the
use
of
collaboration
through
the
use
of
partnerships
through
the
use
of
our
participation
in
task
forces,
whether
at
the
state
or
federal
levels,
and
we
know
that
that
works
and
so
depending
on
again,
where
we
are
in
the
city,
we're
going
to
see
the
numbers
fluctuate
and
we're
going
to
see
some
of
the
strategies
work
better
than
others
dc
dells.
You
want
to
chime
in.
E
Yeah
you
pretty
much
covered
it
all
in
general,
commissioner,
I'm
in
reference
to
what
what
happened
in
south
philadelphia,
we
pretty
much
did
the
same
in
southwest
and
also
northwest,
which
is
the
14th
and
12th
district.
So
we're
going
to
continue
like
that
which
was
a
plus
on
our
part.
Also
too,
we
are
still
focusing
on
straw
purchasing
working
with
the
detective
divisions,
the
attorney
general's
office
and
also
there's
a
special
task
force
in
the
district
attorney's
office
that
gun
violence
task
force.
E
F
F
We
always
credit
our
officers
with
their
abilities
to
get
guns
off
the
street,
and
you
know
it's
it's
not
always
very.
It's
not
safe
to
do
that,
and
I
want
to
publicly
commend
our
officers
here,
but
this
trend,
just
it's
very
disturbing
when
you
look
at
the
number
of
crime
guns
that
we
recovered
so
far
this
year
and
look
at
last
year,
we
got
under
just
under
5
000
illegal
guns
off
the
street
last
year
and
right
now
we're
just
at
a
little
bit
over
4700.
A
Begs
the
question
right,
I
know
you're
a
part
of
I
guess
the
fed's
operation
all
hands
on
deck
right
and
you
don't
have
to
go
into.
You
know
elaborate
detail
when
the
arsenal
attorney
general
josh
shapiro's
office
is
dealing
with
in
partnership.
The
district
returns
off
with
the
gun,
violence
task
force
to
kind
of
track
down
where
these
guns
are
coming
from.
A
From
my
understanding
of
surrounding
counties
and
so
forth,
but
I
guess
my
question
is
the
effort
right
that
the
intergovernmental
partnership
is
putting
behind
just
zero-like
targeting
on
the
tracking
and
flowing
of
illegal
guns
right.
Could
you
elaborate
on
those
efforts
and
I
publicly
reached
out
to
drug
enforcement
agency
with
a
letter
just
pushing
and
put
put
put
you
know,
putting
them
on
notice
to
see
what
level
of
energy
that
they're
putting
into
this
right?
A
And
so
I
just
want
to
get
some
feedback
from
that,
because
I
do
agree
that
there's
totally
just
the
level
of
access
I
mean
to
guns
is
like
mind
boggling,
which
I've
never
ever
witnessed.
My
time
doing
this
work
with
just
kind
of
understanding
how
things
work,
but
it's
like
everybody
can
get
it.
If
you
don't
have
a
gun,
you're,
not
cool
these
days.
I
Thank
you,
commissioner
and
council
member
johnson.
I
just
want
to
start
off
by
acknowledging
and
thanking
you
for
talking
about
the
process
where
people
who,
perhaps
in
the
past,
wouldn't
have
gotten
a
gun
or
not
getting
it.
When
you
talked
about
the
kind
of
a
conflict
that
happens,
it
used
to
be
settled
with
fists
and
now
it's
turning
to.
I
We
have
numerous
officers
from
our
narcotics
bureau,
as
well
as
other
parts
of
the
department
that
are
detailed
to
the
dea,
and
they
conduct
continually
conduct
investigations
that
uncover
information
about
where
guns
are
and
then
we
do
search
warrants
on
those
locations
and
we
do
it
to
take
the
drugs
off
of
the
street.
But
inevitably
when
we
are
doing
those
search
warrants,
we're
also
recovering
multiple
firearms.
I
That's
following
up
on
every
gun
that
we've
recovered
and
getting
a
location
as
to
where
it
came
from,
so
that
we
can
trace
how
the
guns
are
getting
into
the
street.
So
all
that
is
to
say,
we
have
numerous
levels
of
collaboration,
we're
dedicating
all
possible
resources,
but
the
problem,
as
you
know,
as
you
well
know,
is
overwhelming
because
there
are
so
many
guns
that
are
just
flooding
the
streets
and
it
just
becomes
an
incredible
challenge.
I
As
those
guns
are
available,
those
guns
inevitably
lead
to
the
violence
that
we're
seeing,
and
I
think
that
that's
the
systemic
problem
that
we're
facing
right.
I
hope
that
that
kind
of
deals
with,
where
are
those
guns
coming
they're
coming
from
everywhere
and
that's
the
best
way
I
can
describe
it.
Okay.
Thank
you
very.
A
F
F
We've
shown
this
slide
before,
and
it's
just
to
show
that
there
is
a
trend
there.
We've
had
an
increase
in
buffer
arrest,
we've
had
an
entry
increase
in
number
of
guns,
recovered
illegal
crime
guns
recovered
from
the
street,
but
the
trend
lines
are
going
in
the
directions
that
we
would
not
like
them
to
see
them
go
in.
So
while
our
arrests
have
been
increasing,
the
convictions
have
been
steadily
decreasing
from
73
in
2015
to
49
last
year,
and
when
you
look
at
you
know
the
withdrawn
and
dismissed
cases.
I
I
He
tracks
it,
but
I
I
do
have
to
point
out
a
timing
issue,
and
that
is
that,
because
of
the
slowdown
of
the
criminal
justice
system,
I
think
it's
only
fair
to
say
that
some
of
these
numbers
are
not
representative
of
what's
happening
as
we
started
to
move
forward
starting
back
in
december
and
the
success
that
we're
going
to
see
in
the
future.
What
we're
seeing
now
are
the
cases
that
have
been
adjudicated
that
had
been
perhaps
lingering
the
system
and
also
because
the
courts
slowed
down
as
much
as
they
did.
I
Cases
that
were
were
were
not
sufficient
or
were
deemed
to
be
not
sufficient
to
go
to
trial
were
getting
tossed
out
because
they
were
so
old.
So
remember:
the
pandemic
started
in
march
of
2020
the
court
shut
down
for
over
a
year.
We
didn't
get
the
courts
up
and
running
to
hear
gun
cases
until
until
july
of
this
year
there
were
a
lot
of
cases
that
sat
and
then
eventually
there
were
some
hearings
there.
There
were
suppression
hearings,
there
were
some
that
were
not
going
the
right
way
and
those
cases
ended
up
being
dropped.
I
So
I
think
that
we're
to
start
to
see
a
change,
but
right
now,
unfortunately,
we've
seen
some
numbers
that
I
think
in
some
ways
may
may
not
be
completely
revealing,
but
they're
not
a
reflection
about
the
the
way
that
we've
been
doing.
Our
collaboration,
which
I
think
has
been
really
successful
in
identifying
any
issues
that
might
come
up
with
cases
before
they
get
to
the
court
to
the
trial
stage.
I
hope
that
that
helps
explain.
A
No,
that's
that's
clarity
and
I
am
familiar
with.
I
did
talk
to
not
I'll
deal
with
this
for
the
next
battle.
I
did
talk
to
the
da's
office
before
about
the
courts,
having
like
one
room
that
dealt
with
nothing
but
gun
crimes
just
to
expedite
that
process,
which
I
think
is
a
step
in
the
right
direction,
but
you
know
at
site
I'm
kind
of
wanting
to
get
clarity
on
the
different
directions
of
the
trend,
and
I
will
hope
that
the
courts
will
participate
in
this
hearing
in
the
future.
A
From
a
collaborative
standpoint,
I
do
believe
it
has
to
be
all
hands
on
deck,
but
for
some
apparent
reason
they
couldn't
be
available
to
the
day,
but
we
are
in
a
state
of
emergency
for
one.
For
me,
I
just
think
that
it
comes
down
to
making
sure
that
everybody,
you
know
rolling
up
their
sleeves
and
being
transparent
and
accountable
to
the
public
on
how
we're
addressing.
I
F
Yes,
thank
you.
Next
slide
clearance
rate.
Our
clearance
rate
has
continued
to
decline,
whether
incrementally
it's
still
declining
over
the
last
10
years.
Our
current
homicide
clearance
rate
is
at
40
percent,
and
when
you
plot
the
number
of
homicides
and
our
clearance
rate,
you
can
see
the
inverse
relationship
here.
The
clearance
rate
goes
up
when
our
case
count
goes
down
and
then,
conversely,
our
clearance
rate
goes
down
when
our
homicide
count
goes
up.
F
F
This
is
an
initiative
that
supports
local
jurisdictions
that
are
experiencing
sustained,
increasing
increases
in
violent
crime
and
would
benefit
from
the
us,
doj
or
the
department
of
justice
support
in
developing
our
own
capacities
to
fight
violent
crime
in
our
communities
and
it's
tailored
to
the
needs
of
a
community
that
desires
capacity,
building
assistance.
So,
while
we
know
we've
had
some
wins
within
our
current
operating
framework,
what
this
does
will
show
us
our
blind
spots.
Allow
us
to
benchmark.
F
We
also
had
to
demonstrate
a
commitment
to
reducing
violent
crime
and
be
ready
to
receive
the
very
intensive
training
and
technical
assistance
that
will
be
provided
so
some
of
the
things
that
we
can
expect
we
and
we're
hoping
that
we
can
launch
later
on
this
season.
At
the
end
of
fall
2021
we
can
expect
customized
technical
assistance,
there's
something
called
a
psp
library
which
is
a
library
of
virtual
trainings
on
crime
guns,
crime,
scene
management,
leadership
and
some
other
things.
F
There's
subject
matter:
expert
consultation,
there's
a
strategic
site
liaison,
that's
assigned
to
us
who's.
A
former
law
enforcement
executive
that
has
success
in
other
parts
of
the
country
there's
opportunity
for
peer
exchanges,
there's
a
strategic
assessment,
actually
several
assessments,
which
will
take
place
first,
to
give
us
a
baseline
understanding
of
what
we're
working
with
there's
a
summit,
the
psp
summit.
F
That's
an
invitation,
only
event
that
convenes
all
of
the
executive
leadership
and
key
stakeholders
from
all
of
the
sites
to
have
discussion
and
explore
public
safety
and
violence
reduction
strategies
directly
with
national
protection,
practitioners
and
other
researchers
in
the
doj
us
attorneys.
So
on
and
so
forth.
It's
I
say
all
that
to
say
that
this
is
a
deal.
F
Some
of
you
might
be
familiar
with
the
work
that
was
done
in
camden
county.
You
know
across
the
bridge
some
of
their
successes
with
the
public
safety
partnership
was
allowing
them
to
streamline
ballistics
evidence,
processing,
they
incorporated
social
network
analyses
and
integrated
technology
into
daily
operations
and
they're
now
serving
as
one
of
the
model
sites
for
this
partnership
and
for
us.
In
addition
to
the
plethora
of
things
offered,
we
really
want
to
be
able
to
focus.
I
don't
know
why
people
want
to
say
hocus,
but
focus
or
hone
in
on.
F
A
F
Of
that
to
say
we
are
a
learning
organization,
we're
always
looking
to
see
what
we
can
sharpen
what
works.
Well,
how
we
can
replicate
that,
but
again,
what
are
some
areas
that
we
need
to
tweak
and
we're
open
to
best
practices
and
benchmarking
and
being
a
part
of
this
three-year
initiative.
I
think,
will
help
us
do
that
with
that
I'll
open
it
up
to
any
further
questions
that
we
have.
A
Well,
congratulations
first
and
foremost,
and
hopefully
this
will
be
another
tool
in
the
toolbox
to
help
us
keep
our
city
much
safer
as
we
move
forward
specifically
around
the
issue
of
gun.
Violence
just
have
a
couple
of
questions.
Well,
one
again,
it
sticks
out
what
those
capsules
are
doing
in
the
various
on
pinpoint
areas
and
then-
and
I
guess
the
question
is
hope:
how
can
we
expand
what's
taking
place
in
those
pinpoint
areas
that
show
that
y'all
are
very
at
least
effective
with
this
presentation?
A
A
I'm
recently
looking
at
people
who
have
been
grandfathered
and
in
terms
of
they
maybe
applied
for
the
test,
and
then
the
legislation
came
down,
and
now
they
may
be
excluded
things
of
that
sort,
but
that
all
goes
down
to
a
manpower
issue.
Can
you
just
elaborate
on
where
you're
at
from
a
recruitment
and
expanding
standpoint,
because
that
plays
a
major
role
as
well
in
terms
of
caseload.
F
Burden
I'll,
I
will
briefly
talk
about
the
recruiting
piece
and
then
I'll
turn
it
over
to
dc
dales
to
talk
about
our
comp
step
process
and
accountability,
so
as
it
relates
to
our
ability
to
attract
the
good
news
is:
is
that
we're
still
attracting
people?
But
it's
not
in
the
to
your
point?
It's
not
in
the
numbers
where
we
want
to
solve.
Yes,
there
have
been
some
some
challenges
that
we
found
in
some
of
the
new
requirements.
It's
now
required
for
those
to
have
to
live
those
who
want
to
apply.
F
F
We
were
able
to
grandfather
those
people
who
have
been
waiting
on
the
list
to
push
them
through
the
process
and
to
formulate
the
class
that
we
currently
have
now
and
then
to
hopefully
have
another
class
for
the
by
the
end
of
the
year.
We
have
done
everything
that
we
can
in
recent
months
to
make
sure
that
we're
reaching
where
they
are.
F
Some
of
those
the
same
officers
that
we
would
be
using
on
an
overtime
basis
or
on
an
extra
basis
to
address
a
lot
of
the
pinpoint
stuff
would
be
some
of
the
same
officers
that
we're
using
in
other
parts
of
the
city.
So
I'm
going
to
be
honest
with
you
and
that
it
is
challenging
because
we're
also
being
questioned
every
time
we
make
as
we
should
about
our
overtime,
expenditures
and
and
and
costs
as
it
relates
to
that
as
it
relates
to
accountability.
E
Doing
pretty
good
doing
pretty
good
so
before
going
to
the
accountability
piece,
the
captains,
what
they
have
been
doing
in
pinpoint
grids,
they
also
do
the
same
outside
the
pinpoint
grids
and
we
see
a
hot
spot
developing.
We
don't
ignore,
we
definitely
deploy
in
those
zones.
So
obviously
we
increase
our
presence
within
our
problematic
areas,
which
nine
times
out
of
ten
turns
into
the
officer
movement
of
violent
offender
from
streets.
We
also
work
with
our
partners,
which
we
mentioned
local
state
federal
partners
within
these
zones.
E
We
don't
just
put
police
officers
in
those
zones
without
implementing
operation
plans
within
those
zones.
We
have
operation
plans
in
place
deployment
plans
in
place.
We
also
implement
cert
dif
various
initiatives
strategies
within
those
zones.
We
work
with
probation,
we're
paroled,
you
name
it.
We
work
with
everyone
to
try
to
reduce
gun
involvement
in
these
zones.
Now,
as
far
as
the
accountability
part,
we
definitely
hold
the
cabinets
accountable
for
reducing
gun
violence
within
our
respective
districts
we
meet
every
morning.
Every
morning
we
talk,
but
shooting
occurred
the
day
prior.
E
We
talk
about
it.
We
talk
about
the
offender.
We
talk
about
the
witness.
We
look
at
the
victims
every
victim
when
you
look
at
the
victims,
there's
a
story
behind
a
victim.
It's
because
they're
a
victim
one
day
doesn't
mean
it
could
be
an
offender
another
day.
So
we
look
at
that
as
well
and
we
take
the
appropriate
action
to
try
to
prevent
another
shooting
from
recurring,
which
we
have
been
effective.
I
won't
say
we
also
have
the
comstat
meetings
every
two
weeks
where
I'll
let
the
chief
inspectors
pretty
much
run
the
comstack
meetings.
E
Now
those
districts
that
are
experiencing
high
volumes
of
gun
violence
within
that
week
within
a
one
to
two
week
period,
then
I'll
have
a
constant
in-person
cops
that
down
here
at
my
office
with
those
district
commanders
as
well
as
their
chiefs,
but
we
have
a
deep
discussion
as
to
what's
driving
the
crimes
in
your
perspective
districts.
What
support
do
you
need?
How
can
we
help
you
to
work
on
reducing
those
crimes?
Do
we
need
to
reach
out
to
other
agencies?
E
Do
we
have
to
focus
on
the
environment
which
we
talked
eric
atwood
talked
about
earlier
in
reference
to
correcting
those
issues
that
can
be
conducive
to
crime
within
certain
areas?
So,
in
a
nutshell,
that's
pretty
much.
What
we,
what
we're
doing
to
try
to
keep
gun
violence
down
within
the
community.
A
Thank
you
and
those
pinpoint
areas
that
you
mentioned,
I
mean.
Obviously
I
represent
two
of
them,
the
12th
and
17th,
and
but
even
when
I
look
at
the
other
ones,
that's
not
in
my
district.
It
sticks
out
that
they
are
pinpoint
areas
and
and
at
least
in
those
particular
areas,
something's
working,
so
always
looking
at
best
practices
and
models
which
I'm
quite
sure,
y'all
are
as
well.
E
And
I
guess
I
couldn't
put
challenge
in
here
too,
sir,
I
mean
we,
the
officers
out
there
working
hard
every
single
night,
every
night,
they're
getting
guns
off
the
street,
and
what
pretty
much
makes
me
upset
is
when
I
see
the
background
of
these
individuals
who
were
involved,
shootings
or
who
were
if
we
got
a
gun
off
from
currently
gone
illegally
throughout
the
city
last
night,
he
arrested
a
gentleman,
he
had
an
extended
magazine.
You
look
at
his
history.
He
had
two
prior
booth,
arrests,
two
private
arrests.
E
The
initial
bell
was
set
at
two
hundred
thousand
and
was
reduced
to
seventy
five
thousand
look
two
days
two
days
prior
to
that
kensington
allegheny.
It
was
a
shooting,
the
guy
literally
shot
in
several
individuals
and
shot
one
bell,
thank
god.
He
survived
except
the
police.
Were
there
we
made
the
afternoon
something
police
made.
The
apprehension
took
a
look
at
his
background.
He
had
an
open
woofer
case
this
year
in
april
this
year,
open
foofa
case
and
he's
back
out
on
the
street.
So
these
are
some
of
the
things
we're
dealing
with.
E
A
A
You
know
the
the
root
cause
of
why
you
keep
saying
the
same
individuals
and
I've
been
listening.
I've
been
doing
these
hearings
for
so
so
long
that
I
get
both
perspectives,
but
you
know,
obviously,
if
everybody's
sitting
inside
the
same
room
right,
we
are
working
toward
the
same
goal,
which
is
a
safer
city,
and
you
see
cases
like
that.
How
do
you
nail
down
on
okay?
Well,
here's
the
case
study
of
these
two
individuals
right
known
to
be
shooters
in
the
neighborhood
right.
A
Their
background
shows
that
their
shooters
in
the
neighborhood,
but
yet
they're
still
walking
the
streets
and
have
the
ability
to
commit
crime
carnage
and
they
don't
want
a
job
they're,
not
looking
for
an
opportunity
to
get
out
of
lifestyle.
This
is
what
they
do
right
and
I
guess
you
know
doing
a
case
study
in
a
deeper
dive.
A
A
Have
we
expanded
and
I
know
we
have
a
manpower
problem?
I
guess
that's
more
of
a
promotion
type
of
detective
issue.
More
than
anything
else
have
we
expanded
the
case,
manpower
in
the
detectives
unit
and
then
also
because
witnesses
are
so
apprehensive
about
coming
forward
and
it's
been
discussed
before
in
the
prior
hearing.
What
is
the
police
department's
strategy
to
make?
A
I
So
while
the
detective
bureau
has
lost
significant
number
of
people
since
the
last
time
that
we've
had
detective
promotions,
the
homicide
unit,
staffing
has
remained
consistent,
14
and
12
detectives
and
three
supervisors
since
I've
been
here,
have
gone
into
the
homicide
unit.
But
the
problem
with
that
is
even
though
we've
been
able
to
maintain
the
staffing
level
at
where
we've
been
in
the
past,
as
the
homicide
numbers
have
grown
significantly,
it
has
meant
that
individually.
I
I
Ultimately,
we've
been
robbing
from
peter
to
pay.
Paul
we've
been
taking
from
the
detective
divisions,
the
experienced
and
and
and
strong
investigators
that
work
other
types
of
cases,
including
the
non-shooting,
the
non-fatal
shootings,
as
well
as
other
robberies
and
other
part
one
crimes.
Those
who
have
a
demonstrated
track
record
have
had
the
opportunity
to
go
into
the
homicide
and
prove
how
good
they
are
when
it
comes
to
the
biggest
priority
that
we
have,
which
is
solving
the
homicide
cases.
I
You
you
nailed
it,
and
I
you've
heard
me
say
it
numerous
times
that
a
great
percentage-
and
I
I
would
put
it
as
high
as
80
percent,
maybe
even
higher
closer
to
90
of
the
cases
we're
able
to
bring
in
are
dependent
upon
recovery
of
video
and
that's
from
surveillance,
video,
whether
it
is
from
a
commercial
establishment,
a
ring
doorbell
that
somebody
in
the
neighborhood
put
up
or
a
police
camera
and
it.
And
it's
not
as
simple
chairman
johnson.
It's
not
as
simple
as
we've
got
an
image
of
the
person
who
did
it.
I
But
as
I'm
talking
about
the
video
we're
not
only
getting
resistance,
sometimes
from
community
members
who
see
things
and
don't
want
to
come
forward
because
of
legitimate
fears
that
they
have
sometimes
we're
even
getting
resistance
from
people
who
have
the
video
who
don't
want
to
cooperate.
And
in
a
recent
case
we
had,
we
believed
that
a
location
of
a
commercial
establishment
could
provide
some
critical
video,
but
that
person
when
we
went
to
the
owner
of
the
establishment
they
said.
No,
I
don't.
The
camera
doesn't
work.
We
talked
to
the
victim's
mother.
I
The
victim's
mother
happened
to
know
the
person
from
that
commercial
establishment
called
the
person
themselves
and
then
and
found
out
the
video
was
in
existence
and
that
video
is
critically
important,
leading
to
an
arrest
that
we're
going
to
get
all.
That
is
to
say,
there
is
a
legitimate
concern
about
for
people
safety
in
cooperating
with
investigations.
I
We
work
very
closely
with
the
district
attorney's
office
and
the
attorney
general's
office
in
order
to
relocate
people
who
provide
information
and
feel
that
their
lives
may
be
in
danger.
I
can
tell
you
that
recently,
council
member
gautier
has
reached
out
on
a
number
of
occasions
about
people
who
have
had
situations
where
they've
been
concerned
about
their
safety
as
a
result
of
cooperation.
We've
done
everything
we
can
work
with
our
d.a
office
partners
in
order
to
accommodate
those
individuals.
I
So
the
bottom
line
in
all
this
and
I'll
wrap
it
up
by
saying
yes,
we've
seen
less
cooperation,
we
see
we
have
a
greater
dependency
on
two
things.
We
have
a
greater
dependency
on
video
surveillance,
that's
recovered
and
ballistic
information
or
forensics,
as
as
we
talked
about
a
lot
of
times,
those
things
are
critical
in
increasing
our
our
clearances,
but
I
can,
I
can
assure
you,
with
from
the
bottom
of
my
heart,
the
homicide
investigators
are
incredibly
dedicated
and
they
are
working
so
hard
to
bring
justice.
B
F
F
B
And
is
there
something
we
can
do
the
council
administration?
What
can
we
do
to
help?
You
find
people
to
fill
these
positions?
The
500
vacancies,
because
I
think
in
today's
day
and
age
we
need
to
figure
out
solutions
to
attract
people,
especially
for
jobs
in
the
police
force
and
make
it
easier
for
you
to
hire
people
than
different
people.
A
F
In
addition
to
the
budget
increase,
I
would
say
I
think
we
need
to
have
a
very
honest
look
across
the
board,
not
anything
that
you
know
was
newly
implemented
in
the
last
year,
but
we
have
to
have
a
hard
look
and
a
very
honest
look
at
any
potential
introduced
to
barrier
a
barrier
to
entry,
I'm
just
all
over
the
place
today.
Hocus
pocus
entries
are
very
anyway
any
potential
barriers
to
entry
that
would
keep,
and
that
would
even
you
know,
include
things
like
you
know,
age
that
may
or
may
not
be
a
barrier.
F
Obviously
there's
a
residency
requirement
here.
You
know
there's
some
other
mandates
in
place,
but
we
just
across
the
board.
We
need
to
see
if
there's
anything
aside
from
what
we've
done
internally
in
any
of
those
areas
that
are
potentially
subjective
not
required
by
the
state
and
any
of
those
areas
that
are
subjective.
Is
that
anything
that
can
be
done
to
not
only
get
people
interested?
In
wanting
to
do
this,
we
can't
control
the
national
narrative,
but
we
can
control
our
messaging
here
in
the
city,
how
we
support
law
enforcement.
F
How
holding
us
accountable
is
not
mutually
exclusive
right,
so
you
can
be
publicly
supportive
and
then
also
say,
but
we're
going
to
hold
you
accountable.
At
the
same
time,
we
have
to
make
the
police
department
an
employer
of
choice
or
the
city,
an
employer
choice,
meaning
that
we
support
you
when
you
do
the
right
thing
and
when
you
don't
we're
going
to
say
something,
but
it
doesn't
mean
that
we
don't
support
our
local
law
enforcement
and
that's
what
we're
hearing
you
know.
F
F
I
mean
we
just
had
two
active
shooter
situations
in
the
last
couple
of
weeks
within
days
right
where
we
had
officers
running
toward
the
danger
to
address
the
threat,
and
you
know
I
can't
praise
them
enough,
but
it
would
also
be
great
to
hear
from
others
in
the
city
whether
it's
you
know
other
city
leadership
from
city
council,
to
talk
about
the
great
job
that
was
done
there,
because
they
literally
risk
their
lives
in
order
to
prevent
others
from
being
taken.
And
so
it's
things
like
that,
it's
nuanced,
but
it's
low-hanging
fruit.
F
I
think
that
would
be
very
helpful
coming
from
from
you
all
and
from
everyone
as
a
whole.
Quite
frankly,
in
addition
to
looking
at
potential
barriers
to
entry-
and
it's
not
just
quite
frankly-
it's
not
just
our
police
officers,
it's
also
with
our
dispatchers
as
well,
not
to
go
down
another
rabbit,
but
we
also
thank
you.
We
have
new
positions
that
were
authorizing
this
last
budget
to
hire
additional,
but
you
know
we
got
to
look
at
you
know
their
salaries.
Are
we
paying
them
enough?
Is
it
comparable
to
other
cities?
F
A
Gonna
get
a
point
of
information:
councilman,
dom,
that's
okay,
I
think
also,
commissioner,
and
I
saw
you
doing
a
great
event
event
yesterday
called
faith
and
blue
with
some
community
folks
right.
I
think
also.
We
have
more
of
those
type
of
initiatives
coming
from
the
actual
philadelphia
police
department
and
partnership
with
the
community.
A
It
will
also
go
to
a
helping,
build,
build
that
bridge
and
kind
of
shut
down
that
narrative.
That's
nationally,
saying
the
community
has
to
be
pitted
toward
the
philadelphia
police
department
and
classic
example,
at
least
in
my
district
in
the
17th.
This
might
be
the
first.
We
probably
didn't
do
it,
but
we
got
a
robust
p
that
right
and
now
we
have
a
youth
peat
act
that
commissioner
deputy
commissioner,
joe
dales,
I
guess
yourself
as
well
being
the
leader
of
the
police
department
are
also
starting.
A
Yes,
I
want
to
be
a
part
of
change
from
within
the
system
and
so
just
wanted
to
put
that
out
there,
but
definitely
well
taken
in
terms
of
yes
being
supportive
of
the
environment.
But
I
also
believe
that
you
know
it
go
both
ways
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
we're
building
those
bridges
between
the
community
and
the
law
enforcement
community
as
well
councilman
down.
B
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
just
wanted
to
ask
the
commissioner:
can
you
make
recommendations
to
us
that
we
should?
Maybe
maybe
we
should
consider
a
12-month?
I
don't
know
if
you
want
to
call
it
a
time
period
where
we
relax
some
of
the
requirements
in
order
for
us
to
build
back
these
staffing
levels
in
our
police
and
fire
department.
So
there
were
some
like
three
four
or
five
recommendations
that
we
only
do
for
the
next
12
months
to
see
if
that
can
help
us
build
back
the
police
department.
F
Sure
I
think
we
can
take
a
look.
I
mean
as
far
as
the
newer
requirements,
it's
still
really
early
to
tell
whether
or
not
that's
had
an
impact,
because
we're
we're
working
off
the
two
lists
that
got
the
waivers.
But
with
that
said,
I
think
I
want
to
make
very
clear.
So
the
answer
is
yes.
We
can
do
that,
but
I
also
want
to
make
very
clear
that
there
still
has
to
be
some
standards
right.
F
So
I
don't
want
people
to
walk
away,
thinking
that
we've
relaxed
all
entry
requirements
to
become
a
police
officer,
because
everybody
can't
become
a
police
officer
to
be
frank,
but
I
think
we
do
need
to
you
know
take
another
another.
Look
at
any
potential
barriers
to
entry
and
we'd
be
happy
to
report
back
on
what
those
could
be.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
My
comment
and
my
question
is
for
our
deputy
commissioner
nash,
hi
deputy
commissioner.
If
you're
still
there
hi
hi
first,
I
wanted
to
take
an
opportunity
to
publicly
thank
you.
You
know,
as
you
mentioned
before,
because
so
much
of
this
is
happening
in
the
neighborhoods
that
I
represent.
I
get
you
know
I
get.
I've
had
several
instances
of
outreach
with
people
either
having
questions
about
their
investigation,
or
you
know,
people
who
were
really
scared
who
wanted
to
be
relocated
and
just
at
every
turn.
G
Every
time
I've
reached
out
to
you,
you've
answered
expeditiously,
you've
taken
it
really
seriously,
you've
given
me
and
and
the
constituents
as
much
information
as
possible,
and
I
just
want
to
let
you
know
how
much
that
means
to
me,
but
also
to
people
who
are
experiencing
like
a
high
level
of
trauma.
So
thank
you
very
much.
I
Thank
you
and
it
has
been
the
team
that
includes
the
da's
office
and
g
lamar
stewart
a
lot,
but
it's
also
been
the
commanders
at
the
detective
divisions
and
at
homicide
and-
and
I
want
to
say
up
front-
my
heart
still
breaks
over
what
happened
in
the
16th
district.
With
the
with
the
situation,
we
were
trying
to
resolve
that
one
hits
hard
and
I
I
know
that's
it.
It
hits
you
hard
and
we're
still
continuing
to
try
to
do
everything
we
can
for
that
family.
G
I
On
a
personal
note,
I
I
hate
to
say
this,
but
again
some
of
these
things
come
down
to
money.
I
think
that
the
da's
office,
who
oversees
the
program
does
a
really
good
job
at
it,
and
and
I
don't
think
that
it
should
go
to
the
police
department.
I
think
that
it
has
to
work
in
conjunction
with
the
prosecutor's
office,
so
I
think
that's
the
appropriate
place
and
they
get
their
support
from
the
attorney
general's
office.
I
I
I
We
are
not
the
united
states
marshal
service,
who
does
a
great
job
for
the
federal
government.
We
are
a
a
witness
or
a
victim,
or
basically
a
witness
relocation
program.
We
move
people
and,
generally
speaking,
we
most
of
the
times
we
move
them
from
one
section
of
the
city
to
another
section
city
and
I
believe
that
there
are
times
that
we
move
them
from
one
section
of
the
city
outside
of
the
city
and
that
can
be
really
really
effective.
I
So
if
there
was
more
money,
if
there
were
more
money
in
order
to
allow
people
to
move
outside
of
the
city
itself,
if
they
feel
that
their
lives
are
in
danger,
I
think
that
that
would
go
a
great
way
to
reducing
the
level
of
fear
and,
as
as
chairman
johnson
talks
about
encourage
the
sense
of
cooperation
and
and
and
participation
in
working
with
our
investigators.
So
I
hope
that
that
kind
of
addresses,
where
you're,
what
you're,
trying
to
look
for.
G
I
think
I
clearly
hear
more
funding
right
and
and
funding
that
would
allow
us
to
move
people
outside
of
the
city,
but
I
I
wanted
you
to
expounds
on
what
do
you
mean
by
you
know,
people
trying
to
you
mentioned,
like
people
working
through
issues
that
would,
I
guess,
make
them
better
partners
in
relocation.
Can
you
sort
of
talk
about
some
of
that?
What
is
what
can
you
expound
on
that?
A
little
bit.
I
But
I
think
that
what
we
saw
from
that
forum,
which
was
incredible
with
these
young
inter
interveners,
is
that
there
are
people
who
have
been
in
situations
that
are
difficult
and
they're
recognizing
that
they
can
get
involved
and
encourage
others
to
reduce
the
level
of
violence.
So
it's
all
about
com.
I
Because
the
cameras
we're
in
a
vicious
cycle
as
the
the
homicides
go
up,
the
retaliation
continues.
One
homicide
leads
to
another
homicide
and-
and
I
know
everyone
is
critical
about
our
lower
clearance
numbers
than
than
they
should
be,
and
we
can
only
stop
this
terrible
cycle
if
we
can
stop
if
we
can
take
the
people
who
responsible
for
those
and
get
them
off
the
streets,
and
in
order
to
do
that,
we
need
evidence
in
order
to
do
that,
we
need
trust
of
the
community.
G
A
Thank
you,
councilwoman
guardia
and
thank
you,
deputy
commissioner
nash.
That's
all
the
questions
that
I
have
any
other
questions
from
members
of
the
committee
commissioner.
Daniel
outlaw,
as
always
thank
you
for
your
leadership.
Thank
you
for
you
and
your
team,
I'm
staying
on
the
case
and
obviously
we
all
want
to
work
toward
the
same
goal,
which
is
making
this
city
a
safer
city.
So
thank
you
very
much
for
your
time
and
thank
you
for
participating.
G
A
J
Doing
extremely
well,
thank
you
very
much
and
I
truly
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
speak.
I'm
going
to
respect
your
time,
because
I
know
these
things
for
perfectly
good
reasons,
tend
to
be
long,
so
grab
it.
It's
cool
to
take
your
time
all
right.
Well,
let
me
just
try
to
be
as
efficient
as
I
can,
because
I
think
this
is
a
very,
very
important
topic.
I
also
think
that
I
agree
strongly
with
an
awful
lot
of
what
you
just
heard.
J
J
I
would
first
like
to
acknowledge
you,
council,
member
johnson,
but
also
councilmember
kurt
jones,
other
members
of
city
council
obviously
participating
heavily,
including
council
members,
dom
and
uta
victim
advocates
and
community
members.
I
have
my
whole
baseball
team
here
I
got
chance
lee
I
have
who
of
course
runs
our
intelligence
unity
heavily
on
the
weekly
buffa
and
gun
crime
review.
We
have
bill
fritzy,
who
is
the
head
of
our
gun
violence
task
force
here.
J
J
We
have
jila
mark
stewart
who
is
a
philadelphia
police
officer,
pastor
and
also
the
head
of
our
community
outreach.
I
think
we
also
have
some
other
people
who
have
input
and
who
may
be
able
to
answer
specific
questions.
Should
you
have
them
and
thank
you
chesley
leitzy,
who
is
the
chief
of
our
homicide
and
and
a
non-fatal
shooting
unit?
J
We
also
have
some
success
stories
about
good
things
that
have
come
from
the
one-stop
job
and
resource
hub,
and
those
success
stories
include
stories
from
the
lives
of
kerry.
Johnson
was
recently
hired
to
a
great
job
through
that
program.
We
have
adriana
bearfield
and
donaike
jones,
both
of
whom
are
mem
are
employees
of
the
philadelphia
da's
office.
Doing
community
outreach,
but
are
examples
of
the
success
adriana
actually
got
her
job
by
going
to
the
one-stop
job
in
resource
hub
with
her
fancy
degrees?
J
I
also
see
we
have
the
very
wonderful
myra
maxwell
who,
like
so
many
people
of
us,
wears
more
than
one
hat.
She
is
not
only
ahead
of
our
cares
and
a
wizard
when
it
comes
to
addressing
the
needs
of
victims.
She
is
also
a
pastor
as
well.
So
let
me
just
jump
in
there's
a
couple
elephants
in
the
room
and
I
think
they
reflect
what,
in
my
view,
is
good
news.
J
I
think
we
have
to
be
careful
when
we
have
these
conversations
to
make
sure
that
we
are
really
open
and
we
talk
about
the
context,
because
it
is
important
council
member
johnson,
I
heard
you
talking
about
quote
something's
working
unquote
in
the
12th
and
the
17th.
Well,
you're
right,
something
is
working
in
the
12th
and
the
17th,
and
captain
drissel
and
captain
michael
o'donnell
deserve
a
lot
of
credit,
as
was
pointed
out
by
deputy
commissioner
nash.
Both
of
those
captains
worked
very
closely.
J
The
da's
gun
violence
task
force,
headed
by
bill
fritzy,
and
so
when
we
talk
about
these
major
takedowns
and
I'm
not
talking
about
take
downs
of
a
bunch
of
guns,
that
is
a
priority,
but
it
is
not
the
top.
We
are
talking
about
takedowns
of
people
shooting
people
takedowns
of
people
committing
homicide
by
gun.
J
That
is
what
happened
in
12-17
as
we
went
for
the
main
issue
top
priority,
which
is
homicide
by
gun
and
shooting
by
gun,
and
we
were
able
to
do
that
because
the
gun
violence
task
force
over
the
past
couple
of
years
has
had
some
some
decent
funding
through
the
state,
but
also
because
we
invested
in
forensics,
okay
forensics.
When
we
talk
about
the
issues
of
witnesses
feeling
endangered
not
wanting
to
come
forward,
maybe
not
even
providing
video,
that's
real.
That
has
not
been
real
for
a
long
time.
J
It's
been
a
challenge,
but
the
way
these
successful,
slow,
careful
efforts
to
gather
evidence
and
indict
a
whole
group
of
people
who
were
shooting
other
people.
The
way
that
worked
was
in
part
because
we
had
meetings
a
couple
years
ago,
where
we
were
able
to
agree
with
the
attorney
general's
office
on
getting
some
technology
that
would
allow
us
to
crack
people's
phones,
obviously
with
a
warrant
but
get
into
their
phones.
J
So
you
know
when
we
look
at
that,
recognizing
the
wonderful
job
ppd
has
done
there,
which
we
should
and
we
should
give
them
credit
for
it.
We
need
to
understand
what
really
happened.
There
was
a
great
collaboration
with
the
gun,
violence
task
force
that
focused
on
the
main
issue,
shootings
it
is
shooting
and
that's
where
we
have
to
that's
what
we
have
to
make
our
top
priority.
Obviously
many
other
things
are
very
very
high
priorities
as
well.
J
So
you
know,
I
say
that
to
say
that
there's
some
clues
there
number
one,
the
da's
office
and
the
ppd
have
had
several
collaborations
that
I
consider
to
be
very
effective,
and
if
I
was,
if
I
was
hearing
correctly,
I
was
hearing
that
there
is
agreement
within
the
ppd,
and
I've
heard
this
before
that.
Some
of
these
collaborations
have
been
very
effective
and
they
are
very
important,
but
they
also
have
to
be
funded.
Make
no
mistake:
the
philadelphia
police
department
has
gone
to
bat
for
its
funding.
It
has
gotten
considerable
funding.
J
I
think
130
million
dollars
or
something
an
increase
yet
again
coming
in
the
future,
and
that's
fine
and
that's
good
to
the
extent
presence
on
the
street
makes
a
difference
that
can
help,
and
I
totally
support
them
in
that.
But
it's
not
going
to
work.
It
is
not
going
to
work
simply
to
have
additional
police
presence.
What
we
need
to
have
here
is
funding
of
these
collaborations,
both
within
the
ppd
and
within
the
da's
office
funding
the
courts
funding
the
public
defenders,
so
we
can
make
the
system
move
forward.
J
This
is
part
of
the
reason
that
we
have
had.
We
have
been
in
discussion
with
members
of
council
about
the
reality
that
we
will
not
be
able
to
continue
with
these
collaborations
that
we
say
are
successful
and
the
ppd
says
are
successful
without
an
increase
in
our
budget
on
the
order
of
six
and
a
half
million
dollars.
Honestly,
it
should
be
about
10
if
we
were
to
be
able
to
keep
up
with
comfort,
but
we're
going
to
need
that
not
because
we're
greedy,
not
because
we
want
to
take
resources
away
from
others.
J
But
let
us
remember
not
so
long
ago
there
was
an
announcement
of
a
20
cut
in
the
da's
office
budget.
You
may
all
recall
that
20
percent
cut
that
was
untenable.
Then
it's
been
untenable
ever
since,
and
so
let
me
break
down
in
a
little
bit
of
breast
tax
about
what
we're
talking
about
so
early
on
after
the
commissioner
came
to
philly,
and
it's
been
my
pleasure
and
it
continues
to
be
my
pleasure
to
work
with
commissioner
outlaw.
J
We
did
not
ask
for
additional
funding
to
do
it.
We
just
said:
there's
a
crisis:
yes,
that
was
12
people.
There
was
a
suggestion
from
the
commissioner
an
excellent
suggestion
that
both
the
da's
office
and
the
ppd
on
a
weekly
basis
would
look
at
gun,
violence,
cases
to
improve
them
and
approve
training.
It
has
been
very
effective
and
I
have
no
doubt
that
ppd
will
confirm
that,
but
it
amounts
essentially
to
the
full-time
work
of
five
to
six
da's.
We
did
that
without
saying,
give
me
more
funding
and
has
been
very
effective.
J
They
have
to
be
fun.
There
was
a
suggestion
coming
from
us,
which
we
thought
was
again
a
good
one
of
having
a
d.a
in
the
divock,
in
other
words,
the
intelligence
center,
that
the
police
run
as
many
other
law
enforcement
agencies.
Had,
commissioner
accepted,
we
were
able
to
put
one
person
there
and
has
been
very
helpful
in
putting
together
informational
packages
about
people
who
are
drivers
of
gun
violence.
It
helps
us
to
try
to
get
higher
bales.
It
helps
us
to
try
to
keep
higher
bails.
J
It
helps
us
to
prioritize
those
cases
and
bring
all
the
evidence
we
might
be
able
to
bring
when
we
are
prosecuting
those
cases,
and
it
also
helps
ppd
and
other
law
enforcement,
because
we
can
assist
with
the
writing
of
various
things
warrants
affidavits
of
probable
cause.
We
can
participate
in.
All
of
that,
we
got
one
person
doing
that,
but
that's
really
a
24-hour
job.
J
That
should
be
three.
You
know
I
can.
I
can
go
on
and
talk
about
this,
but
the
gun,
violence
task
force
is
a
collaboration.
That's
been
effective.
Many
captains,
other
than
captain
drizzle
and
michael
o'donnell,
have
come
to
us
to
collaborate.
We
are
thrilled,
there's
nothing.
We
want
more
than
that,
but
once
again
our
gun
violence
task
force,
which
is
doing
amazing
work
with
technology
with
bill
fritzi,
not
only
the
phones
but
also
doing
analysis
of
social
media,
and
I
won't
get
into
the
specifics,
but
it
works.
J
He's
only
got
seven
lawyers,
I
mean
if
you,
if
we
really
want
to
get
serious
as
we
sit
around-
and
we
are
talking
about.
You-
know,
police
staffing,
that
is
on
the
order
of
six
thousand
or
should
be
on
the
order
of
six
thousand.
We
just
need
to
remember
that
collaborations
and
we
do
have
effective
collaborations
have
to
be
funded,
and
that
is
the
reality
we
find
ourselves
in
a
circumstance
nationally,
where
not
only
the
police
department,
but
also
the
da's
office,
is
having
high
levels
of
attrition.
J
These
are
talented
people,
many
of
them
diverse
and
have
come
from
all
over
the
country,
and
they
are
not
just
being
pressured
by
everything
from
the
pandemic,
but
by
the
reality
that
I
can't
keep.
My
promises,
because
the
city
won't
keep
its
promise
to
my
office.
We
there's
nothing
for
them
to
be
able
to
support.
These
collaborations
expand
these
collaborations,
which
we
agree
are
successful.
But
that
means
I
need
the
support
of
city
council.
It
needs
it
means
I
need
the
support
of
the
mayor
and
I've
conveyed
this
budget.
J
J
J
So
they
were
in
wilson
park,
homes,
jonathan
raymond
rosen
homes,
richard
allen,
dogtown,
the
pit
happy
hollow
and
other
areas
impacted
by
gunfire.
Then
the
truth
is
the
truth.
Is
a
lot
of
these
young
people
want
out?
Not
all
of
them.
The
ones
who
don't
on
out
can
have
a
jail
cell,
but
a
lot
of
them
really
do
want
out.
They
are
afraid
they
have
reason
to
be
afraid,
but
they
don't.
J
They
don't
know
how
to
get
there,
and
I
must
tell
you
I
don't
do
my
fun
stuff,
but
I
also
applaud
city
council
for
putting
aside
for
prevention
in
a
meaningful
and
significant
way,
obviously
that
money's
got
to
flow
in
the
same
way
that
these
micro
demand
levels
have
been
given
out.
Some
of
the
fortune
before
germany
have
flowed
quickly,
it's
kind
of
flow,
but
you
know
I
just
want
to
say.
J
I'm
incredibly
happy
about
that.
So
you
know
there
are.
There
are
many
other
things
I
can
touch
upon.
Let
me
just
hit
one
other
high
note,
so
that
there
is
a
fuller
understanding
about.
What's
going
on
with
some
gun
cases
and
gun
violence
cases,
the
news
is
actually
quite
good.
I
I
think
was
framed
and
laid
out
by
deputy
commissioner
nash
in
the
combination
of
commentary
that
came
out,
but
it's
not
necessarily
obvious
on
the
numbers
and
that's
why
I
need
to
give
you
the
bigger
picture
on
the
numbers.
J
So
when
we
talk
about
reduced
conviction
rate,
what
what
the
commissioner
was
showing
was
a
slide
that
has
to
do
with
gun
cases,
and
if
you
just
look
at
the
slide,
it
looks
like
it's
what
is
happening
in
the
year
2021
they
they
cannot
win
anything.
Well,
that's
actually
not
the
case,
as
as
deputy
commissioner
nash
pointed
out.
What's
really
going
on
is
that
the
justice
system
is
not
open
so
that
very
few
cases
are
being
disposed.
J
A
lot
of
work
is
getting
pundit
and
that
work
is
positive
and
what
it
shows
is
that
when
we
look
at
unrelated
cases
and
I'll,
I
will
just
one
of
the
three
big
questions
that
are
handling
them
now.
These
are
the
numbers
to
keep
in
mind,
so
there
are
3054
of
these
cases
listed
as
hearings.
You
know
it's
a
two-step
process.
You
go
to
the
coming
our
hearing
and
get
you
trying,
but
we
gotta
get
past
the
preliminary
hearing
of
those
3050
cases.
J
One
thousand
three
hundred
have
already
been
held
over
for
trial
they're,
waiting
for
a
trial
emphasis
on
waiting
that
all
by
itself
is
almost
50
percent.
There's
a
ton
of
other
cases
that
are
late
to
have
their
here
they're.
In
a
continuance,
the
number
of
cases
dismissed
is
actually
only
200
feet.
It's
about
a
3054
case
number
had
been
thrown
out
because
witnesses
show
up.
The
judge,
says:
there's
not
enough
evidence
or
because
for
some
reason
our
office
I'm
going
to
proceed
with
it.
258.
J
Thrown
out
out
of
3
000,
okay,
that's
about
a
93
of
these
cases
are
still
on
track.
Among
that
you
see
that
approximately
40
percent
45
have
already
been
held
over
they're
just
waiting
to
go
to
a
disposition.
You
know
and
just
to
shift
gears.
I
looked
at
some
of
the
cases
that
actually
got
exposed
in
the
cp
court.
I
looked
at
a
group
of
78
cases.
J
We
lost
four.
We
won
74,
okay,
so
well.
It
is
mathematically
correct
that
we
show
a
low
conviction
rate
this
year.
It's
only
mathematical
correct
because
we
are
counting
every
dismissal
as
soon
as
it
happens
early
in
the
process,
but
we're
not
counting
all
the
cases
that
are
going
exactly
on
track,
exactly
putting
a
plan
headed
towards
the
disposition.
That's
likely
to
be
very
favorable,
and
I
I
do
appreciate
both
the
commissioner's
comments
and
also
deputy
commissioner
nash's
explanation
there
now
am
I
taking
credit
for
that.
J
No,
I
mean,
I
think
we
have
some
excellent
attorneys,
but
I
think
fort
has
made
some
really
smart
moves
in
terms
of
basically
in
collaboration
agreeing
to
handle
gun
violence
cases
in
what
is
a
total
of
three
courtrooms.
That's
worked
really
well.
It
allows
both
sides
to
put
their
best
years
in
those
rooms.
They
have
applied
pressure
in
other
ways,
they're
often
giving
us
only
two
listings
of
the
case
before
they're,
forcing
it
one
way
or
the
other.
It
used
to
be
three
or
four
we're.
J
Okay,
with
that,
we,
you
know
we'll
take
that
pressure,
gotta
pack,
everything
we
can
so
I
I
don't
want
to
suggest
I'm
thinking
about
it
and
obviously
a
lot
of
ppd
we're
making
a
lot
of
gun
rests,
even
though
there
is
a
serious
challenge
with
the
the
actual
shooting
cases,
but
I
just
want
you
to
know
that
you
know
I
don't
think
it
helps
any
of
us
to
take
what
is
actually
a
piece
of
good
news
and
so
much
that
it
looks
like
bad
news.
I
know
that's
not
what
the
pbc
intends
to
do.
J
A
Yeah
well
one.
I
want
to
ask
everyone
who's
on
the
call
for
the
hearing
to
make
sure
that
their
phones
is
on
mute
because
somehow
larry
sounds
like
you're
going
in
and
out
right.
I
can
hear
you,
but
it's
not
as
clearly
as
it
normally
would
be
when
we
have
a
hearing.
So
I
don't
know
if
other
individuals
who
are
on
a
call
may
have
their
phone
off
for
mute,
but
that's
the
feedback
that
I'm
receiving
from
the
public
who's
actually
watching
the
hearing
larry.
A
Can
you
give
me
an
idea,
an
overview
of
you
talking
about
case
backlogs
and
so
forth?
Do
you
give
do
you
have
an
idea
of
what
that
backlog
looks
like
for
homicides,
non-fatal,
shootings
and
illegal
gun
possessions,
and
what's
your
strategy
and
plan
to
kind
of
expedite
that
process
forward?
Are
we
working
with
the
courts
or
what's
their
strategy.
J
So
we
thank
you
for
the
question
number
one.
We
are
working
with
the
courts
and
I
have
to
say
I
I
you
know
I
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
the
courts
because
they're
not
here,
but
I
think
you
have
some
excellent
judicial
leadership
right
now.
We
are
getting
a
lot
done
with
the
honorable,
lucretia
clemens
and
judge
sheardon
harris
a
lot
of
things
are
moving
in
a
way
they
were
not
moving
before.
J
I
truly
appreciate
that,
in
fact,
I
have
a
meeting
with
her
10
o'clock
in
the
morning
on
friday
about
another
initiative,
things
along.
Yes,
we
are
working
with
the
courts
and
I
also
have
to
give
some
credit
to
judge
dugan.
President
judge
of
the
municipal
court,
who,
even
before
the
new
judicial
leadership
was
in
place,
did
some
positive
things
in
terms
of
getting
these
three
lumps
handled.
J
What's
actually
happening
is
that
homicide
cases
are
going
through
the
preliminary
hearing
pretty
effectively,
so
are
all
gun,
violence
cases
getting
through
the
prelim
pretty
effectively,
but
because
of
the
limited
capacity
of
the
court
actually
do
jury
trials
even
in
good
times.
During
the
pandemic,
we've
only
had
a
total
of
four
weeks,
which
is
far
less
the
usual
flow
and
to
do
other
trials.
Because
of
that
what's
happening
is
we
have
a
great
big
line
of
cases
that
are
waiting
to
get
to
trial?
J
J
With
guilty
pleas-
and
you
know
we-
we
are
working
with
them-
full-time
on
all
those
sorts
of
things
now.
Part
of
the
good
news,
though,
is
that
we
always
prioritize
homicides.
When
the
court
said,
we
can
only
do
four
jury
trials
after
they
said
we
could
not
do
any
jury
trials.
Due
to
the
pandemic,
we
made
the
top
priorities
to
be
homicides,
shooting
cases
and
first
rapes.
Those
were
really
our
our
top
priorities,
so
we
actually
moved
more
homicide
cases
than
than
you
might
think
during
this
period
of
time.
J
So
you
know
we
do
have
to
have
adequate
staffing
nobody's
fault
that
there's
such
high
attrition
during
a
pandemic,
but
it
I'm
just
underscoring
the
reality
that
we
can't
ignore
people's
colas,
ignore
promises
made
to
them
and
expect
them
to
stay,
and
we
also
can't
just
keep
working
with
a
skeleton
crew
when
the
backlog
is
enormous.
I
mean
it
really
is
a
giant
wave
of
cases
that
are
common
and,
as
you
know,
many
of
them
are
serious.
J
A
J
That
problem
happy
to
do
that,
but
I
think
one
of
the
best
ways
to
do
it
actually
is
to
have
a
member
of
my
team
talk
about
the
case
of
a
defendant
named
tariq
bay.
Very
briefly,
and
then
and
then
I
can
get
into
more
general
statistics.
Do
you
want
to
do
that
bill?
Sure
all
right?
This
is
mr
fritz
who's,
the
head
of
our
gun,
violence
task
force
and
who
was
so
profoundly
involved
in
the
two
police
districts
we
talked
about
earlier
in
those
investigations.
K
Hello
councilman,
so
I
can
I
I
can
give
you
an
example
of
what
we've
been
dealing
with
with
gun
violence,
task
force
and
the
da's
office
in
general.
Just
this
last
week
we
had
a
a
warrant
effectuated
on
an
individual
from
a
shooting
that
occurred
in
the
christie
rec
area.
It
was
a
double
shooting
that
warrant
was
issued
in
march,
so
he
had
been
on
the
run
this
entire
time.
As
of
last
thursday,
he
was
picked
up.
My
unit
was
going
to
handle
the
case.
K
We
sent
over
a
very
lengthy
bail
email
with
our
request,
and
we
had
one
of
our
attorneys
handle
that
that
request
for
bail
the
bail
was
initially
set,
and
this
is
a
double
shooting
at
a
rec
center,
where
we
would
have
probably
asked
for
about
a
million
dollars
with
a
an
appropriate
appeal
below
number,
and
we
received
175
000
bail
on
someone
who
had
been
on
the
run
for
eight
months
based
on
that,
because
it
was
a
double
shooting.
We
appealed
during
the
appeal
to
the
emergency
judge.
K
We
received
the
bail
was
lowered
to
25
000
on
each
transcript,
so
a
total
of
fifty
thousand
dollars
bail
for
a
double
shooting
at
a
rec
center.
Based
on
that,
we
attempted
to
get
before
the
emergency
judge
of
cp
court
and,
unfortunately,
by
the
time
we
filed
our
motion
to
stay
that
order.
The
defendant
had
been
released
and
at
this
time,
we're
still
in
contact
with
ppd
and
working
with
them
to
try
and
locate
that
individual
we're
hoping
to
have
another
hearing
for
bail.
K
But,
as
you
can
imagine,
if
someone's
been
on
the
run
for
eight
months,
the
likelihood
of
them
showing
up
to
court
for
their
bail
to
be
increased
is
pretty
low.
So
on
a
generalized
basis,
when
we
know
that
there
are
shootings
or
shootings
involved
or
fail
for
gun
cases
of
certain
individuals,
there's
a
packet
that
goes
over
to
those
da's
who
are
in
the
charging
unit.
K
If
it
comes
from
within
my
unit,
my
da's
will
handle
it
and
send
an
additional
email
and
handle
the
arraignment
as
well.
We
generally
request
almost
a
million
dollars
bail.
We
appeal
below
when
we
find
it
to
be
too
low
and
then,
if
it
is
too
low,
we
try
and
appeal
that
as
well.
So
it's
a
and
and
then
when
it
goes
to
gun
court,
which
is
room
503.
K
A
Bill
bill
help
me
out
and
give
me
some
clarity
on
this.
Some
would
say:
okay,
well,
councilman.
The
role
of
bell
is
into
the
whole
individual's
hostage
right.
You
got
defense
attorneys,
you
got
the
dish
and
then
you
got
the
age
right.
They
go
toe-to-toe
right
and
as
a
result,
that
plays
a
role
in
how
a
person
gets
granted
bail
or
not.
Granted
bill
give
me
an
idea
what
that
process
looks
like
in
terms
of
gun,
violence,
task
force.
A
You
have
a
team
of
da's
that
you
work
with
on
a
daily
basis
that
are
responsible
for
going
back,
particularly
for
bail.
When
you
have
individuals
who
are
shooters
or
known
offenders,
can
I'm
just
not
talking
about
a
typical
gun
possession?
We
just
talk
about
the
shooters
right
or
individual,
who
has
a
jacket,
that's
carrying
the
gun.
How
does
that
process
work?
Because
people
have
approached
me
before
have
said
well
councilman?
A
At
the
same
time,
if
I
got
xyz
defense
attorney
and
he's
up
there
doing
his
job
right,
he
do
xyz
motions.
Then
things
will
go
his
way
as
opposed
to
not
going
toward
these
the
da's
way
and
they
kind
of
give
the
impression
that
this
judge
is
just
sitting
in
the
background
being
neutral.
Can
you
explain
that
process
or
provide
a
level
of
clarity?
For
me,
please.
K
K
K
A
J
I
don't
have
that,
I'm
happy
to
get
it
for
you,
but
I
want
to
make
sure
everybody
didn't
miss
this.
We
have
a.
We
have
a
person
who
we
have
pro
cause
to
believe
put
bullets
into
two
children,
two
young
people
at
a
rec
center.
I
should
say
non-fatal,
but
still
it's
a
terrible,
terrible
crime.
We
go
in
looking
for
a
million
dollars
bail.
J
J
That
is
too
high
as
if
to
punish
us
for
disturbing
his
day,
and
then
we
have
what
fifty
thousand
dollars,
which
requires
one
thousand
six
hundred
and
sixty
six
dollars
and
sixty
six
cents
to
get
you
out
with
a
bail
bondsman
that
this
is
a
broken
system.
A
cash
bail
system
is
a
broken
system,
and
this
is
exactly
why.
A
So
solar-
I
just
want
to
say
this
too,
and
obviously
that's
totally
unacceptable.
So
if
your
team
can
provide
members
of
the
committee
we're
just
like
statistical
data
that
says
listen,
you
know
we've.
We
we've
requested
million
dollar
bill
just
so
many
times
we've
been
denied
just
how
many
times
we've
been
appealed.
A
This
is
how
many
times
these
appeals
came
back,
favorable
non-favorable
as
well,
and
I'm
gonna
tell
you
why
it
helps
us
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
as
elected
official
individuals,
you
know,
and
even
myself
being
a
world
leader
just
in
general
right.
A
lot
of
these
candidates
come
in
front
of
the
actual
public
right
jacking
for
position.
They
all
want
to
run.
They
all
want
to
get
inside
these
positions.
We
don't
support
mass
incarceration,
but
I
cannot
honestly
say
I'm
pretty
sure.
A
I
speak
for
most
of
the
average
citizens
that
live
in
the
city
of
philadelphia
and
they
do
want
to
feel
safe
right,
and
if
that
means
you
know
a
high
bill
or
holding
an
individual
who
has
become
a
minister
of
society,
they
shoot
up
a
rep
center
that
shoots
up
babies
and
children
in
the
streets
of
philadelphia.
They
should
be
held,
so
they
can
be
prosecuted
to
force
them
under
the
law,
I'm
pretty
sure
any
neighborhood
I
go
into
whether
it's
black
or
white,
low
income
or
or
or
or
high
income.
A
They
would
agree
that
that
person
should
be
helped
with
should
be
double
for
quarterly,
and
so,
if
you
could
provide
that
level
of
data
just
for
us,
that
would
be
helpful,
just
as
it
relates
to
addressing
this
system
yeah
as
a
whole
and
that's
I
know
we
have
the
judicial
branch
they're
totally
separate,
so
to
speak
branch
of
government,
but
nevertheless
you
can't
come
through
our
neighbors
asking
for
support
and
then
you
handing
out
rulings,
that's
adverse
to
the
community
that
actually
put
you
in
office.
At
least
that's
looking
out
of
johnson's
position.
J
I
understand-
and
I
understand
that
position,
but
I
do
want
to
point
something
out
which
does
go
to
the
part.
The
problem
here,
our
ex-public
defender,
that's
pretty
thoughtful
ideas
on
this.
The
the
bales
and
philly
are
set
very
quick
they're,
often
set
you
know,
eight
to
16
hours
after
a
fest,
while
in
general
that
sounds
like
a
good
thing,
understand:
they're
not
set
by
judges.
They
are
not
set
by
elected
judges.
They
are
set
by
bail
commissioners,
also
known
as
magistrates
who
are
not
elected.
J
These
are
appointees
who
are,
under
the
president,
judge
of
the
municipal
court,
believe
it
or
not
in
philly.
Sometimes
people
who
get
appointed
are
exactly
the
right
people
and
believe
it
or
not.
Sometimes
there's
somebody's
nephew.
Okay,
let's
talk
about
really
happening
here
so
when,
when
we
need
to
put
on
a
full-fledged
hearing
to
say,
judge
this
one
should
not
be
released
at
all
we're
in
the
wrong
place
to
do
that.
It's
8
to
16
hours
after
the
event.
We
have
bail
commissioners,
not
all
of
them
are
even
lawyers.
J
Almost
none
of
them
have
ever
handled
a
trial
as
a
judge
or
suit
by
somebody
on
probation.
I
mean
I'll.
Tell
you
one
of
the
things
that
I
would
love
to
see
and
pure
bradford
did
talk
about
a
similar
notion,
which
is
that
eight
to
16
hour
system
is
really
good
for
non-serious
cases
for
less
serious
cases.
It
is
not
a
good
system
for
a
case
where
we
have
probable
cause
that
human
being
pointed
at
another
one
that
should
be
a
full
hearing.
It
should
be
in
front
of
a
municipal
court
judge.
J
There
should
be
a
couple
days
to
prepare,
as
it's
done
in
the
federal
system,
all
the
time,
that's
how
they
do
in
the
federal
system,
and
that
judge
should
have
the
power
to
say
I'm
just
holding
it.
The
law
makes
it
very
very
difficult
for
us,
but
it's
basically
impossible
to
argue
it
eight
to
16
hours
after
in
front
of
a
male
commissioner
who's
pointy
and
doesn't
feel
the
accountability
that
council
member.
I
would
love
to
see
a
situation
in
which
the
da's
office
is
able
to
say
all
right
defer
this.
J
This
is
the
shooting
deferred.
A
couple
days
to
a
judge
of
the
municipal
court,
an
elected
judge
with
all
that
background,
all
that
experience
and
let
us
make
the
argument
there,
but
because
these
decisions
are
made
so
quickly,
sometimes
by
non-lawyers,
always
by
bail,
commissioners
and
because
people
are
released
before
we
can
even
get
to
a
higher
level
of
review
as
happening
in
the
in
the
tyrique
bay
case.
We
have
a
mess.
We
have
a
guy
who
shot
two
people
and
he's
out
there
running.
A
That's
that's
totally
unacceptable
and
we'll
do
a
deeper
dive
on
the
same
conversation
that
I
discussed
with
my
colleague,
councilman
jones
regarding
the
bells
bondsmen
in
this
current
system
and
and
how
they
get
appointed
any
criteria
for
those
who
are
serving.
So
that's
something
we're
definitely
going
to
do
a
deeper
dive
on
it
and,
most
importantly,
keep
it
on
our
radar,
particularly
around
this
issue
of
senseless
gun
violence.
I'm
going
to
have
councilman
jamie
guardia,
want
to
call
her.
She
have
a
couple
questions.
She
would
like
to
ask.
G
I
really
just
have
a
comment.
Thank
you,
mr
chair.
First,
I
wanted
to
thank
our
partners
at
the
da's
office
for
everything
that
they
do
to
help
our
constituents,
and
there
are
so
many
people
that
have
been
invaluable
to
my
constituents
over.
You
know
the
time
that
I've
been
in
office
from
you
yourself,
dia
kresner,
to
g
lamar,
stewart
to
detective
leitzy
to
reverend
maxwell
to
to
you
know
others
on
the
team
as
well.
G
A
J
I
can
tell
you
that,
based
on
the
data
I've
seen,
that
is
nearly
100
percent,
it
is
probably
about
98.99
percent.
The
only
cases
of
that
type
that
we
are
not
going
to
charge
are
going
to
be
cases
where
we
conclude
that
there
is
not
probable
cause
even
then
generally
going
to
respectfully
push
back
to
a
detective
and
say:
go
get
some
more.
Let's
get
some
more.
J
So
it's
extremely
high
chesley
lightsey,
who
is
our
attorney,
who
is
the
chief
of
the
homicide,
non-fatal
shooting
unit,
might
be
able
to
shed
a
little
bit
more
light,
but
it's
extremely
high.
I
think
it's
also
good,
though,
to
point
out
that
you
know
we
said
a
long
time
ago
that
we
want
to
work
with
the
ppd
to
shoulder
the
challenges
that
come
in
solving
these
cases.
J
We
know
how
hard
it
is
to
solve
these
cases,
because
we
know
that
some
of
the
prosecutions
you're
talking
about
have
been
achieved
largely
based
upon
forensics,
because
we
can't
get
witnesses.
We
get
that,
but
the
you
know
the
just,
so
we
don't
get
all
lost
in
numbers
that
flew
by
my
understanding,
based
on
our
data
labs
analysis,
and
we
are
certainly
open
to
having
a
longer
conversation
about
it.
J
If
it
turns
out
that
the
ppd
feels
that
this
is
incorrect,
but
what
we
are
seeing
is
clearance
rates
for
gun
homicides
of
about
29
and
for
non-fatal
shootings
of
about
fifteen
one
five
percent.
These
are
significantly
below
national
averages,
but
once
again,
that's
not
a
criticism
of
anything
that
is
just.
J
I
say
that
in
an
aspirational
way,
if
we
would
actually
seriously
fund
forensics
in
this
city
a
drama
I've
been
beaten
for
more
than
two
years,
a
drama
I
beat
the
other
day
in
a
room
that
was
full
of
law
enforcement
leaders,
including
the
heads,
the
local
heads
of
the
fbi,
alcohol,
tobacco
and
firearms,
the
acting
chief
prosecutor
for
the
u.s
attorney's
office,
a
high-level
representative
of
josh,
shapiro's
attorney
general's
office
and
also
commissioner,
outlaw
in
that
room.
There
were
a
lot
of
voices
who
were
singing
the
song.
A
J
We
like
we
like
to
be
there,
but
what
I
like
even
more
is
that
that,
with
very
few
exceptions,
there
was
a
whole
cheering
section
for
the
idea
of
putting
a
few
million
dollars
into
forensics
forensics
that
were
uncomfortably.
I
mean,
I
think
I
even
heard
this
from
one
of
the
deputy
commissioners
forensics
that
we
all
know
would
increase
these
solve
rates,
but
it
would
also
give
the
da's
office
stronger
cases.
It
would
turn
jury
trials
that
are
a
close
call
into
quick
guilty
pleas
that
moves
along
cases.
J
It
makes
sure
that
we
don't
get
the
wrong
people
to
make
sure
the
city
isn't
paying
10
million
bucks
down
the
road
for
putting
an
innocent
person
in
jail.
So
I
I
see
that
as
a
big
part
of
the
solution
and
how
we
can
all
collaborate
and
work
together
to
assist
ppd
with
increasing
the
clearance
rate
for
gun
violence.
A
And
I
guess
I'll
just
go
on
the
record
in
a
second,
you
have
been
beating
the
drum
about
forensic
lab
and
so
forth.
I
don't
know
if
there's
federal
funding
on
a
federal
level-
and
I
see
the
commissioner
outlaw-
is
also
still
on
the
call
but
part
of
a
past
panel,
but
maybe
we
have
a
discussion
if
the
city
can't
fit
the
whole
build
it's
like.
Maybe
a
joint
partnership
with
the
feds
to
bring
that
money
back
to
the
city
of
philadelphia.
A
And
so
that's
something
that
we'll
take
out
of
this
committee
to
really
do
a
a
real
conversation
and
see
how
does
something
like
that
work?
If
all
the
partners
are
on
board
that
that's
something
that
is
needed
because
you
mentioned
it
several
different
times-
I
know
the
commissioner
outlaw
commissioner
outlaw
mentioned
it
in
a
way
in
the
past,
but
talked
about
how
it
is
the
major
funding
commitment.
A
But
at
the
end
of
the
day,
if
we're
bringing
people
home
from
prison
because
they're
railroaded
and
for
residents
play
their
part
in
their
process,
then
I
think
they
invest
on
the
front
and
helps
you
save
money.
On
the
back
end,
I
would
think
that
with
the
number
of
people
are
coming
home
from
prison,
who
are
right,
who
are
wrongly
I'm
convicted?
I'm
add
another
question
regarding.
A
J
Once
again,
if
we're
rejecting
a
gun
case,
then
it's
going
to
be
either
because
it
is
dead
in
the
water,
because
it's
obviously
an
illegal
search
and
the
law
is
getting
more
difficult
in
that
regard
in
pennsylvania
or
because
it
is
a
situation
where
we
simply
don't
have
enough
evidence
to
rise
to
the
level
of
probable
cause,
but
it
is
on
the
order
of
97
97.98
percent
in
which
we
charge
them.
You
had
a
second
question.
I
apologize.
I
I
just
gapped
on
it.
A
Yep,
diversionary
programs
and
the
opportunities
for
individuals
who
are
arrested
with
an
illegal
gun
right
the
opportunity
to
participate
in
a
diversionary
program.
Like
do
we
have
programs
that
will
show
a
young
person
that
you
got
caught
with
a
gun
right
and
oftentimes.
They
just
get
arrested
and
go
back
home
right
if
they
don't
get
any
time
they
just
go
back
home
as
as,
if
life
just
you
know,
moves
on
as
opposed
to
really
addressing
those
root
causes
of
why
they
had
the
gun.
A
J
So,
council
member,
thank
you
for
that,
and
I
think
your
question
even
you
even
the
little
bit
of
your
personal
experience
that
you
described
there.
I
think
it
goes
to
an
essential
issue,
which
is
that
some
people
who
possess
guns
are
really
dangerous
and
they
need
to
be
locked
up
before
trial
and
they
need
to
have
an
appropriate,
lengthy
sentence.
Okay,
we
know
that,
but
we
also
know
that
philadelphia
is
a
place
where
you
can
do
stuff
by
possessing
a
gun-
that's
legal
everywhere
else
in
pennsylvania,
but
our
legislature
for
some
reason
I'll.
J
J
That
is
something
the
legislature
did
for
us,
so
that,
on
the
one
hand,
is
a
benefit
because,
frankly,
I'd
love
to
see
a
permit
to
carry
all
over
pennsylvania,
but
on
the
other
hand,
it's
inequitable
because
there
will
be
people
who,
if
they
had
been
across
the
montgomery
county
line
and
were
carrying
a
gun,
would
not
even
be
arrestable
for
what
they
did.
Basically
working
people
who
want
to
protect
themselves
who
are
fearful
at
a
time
when
there
is
a
high
level
of
gun
violence.
J
J
Three-Quarters
of
a
percent
of
all
luffa
cases
would
be
diverted
by
the
da's
offices.
Previously
last
data
I
saw
on
this-
we
were
at
about
2.5
percent,
obviously
still
a
very
small
level,
but
there
are
collaborations
under
discussion
right
now
with
leadership
in
the
courts
with
this
office
and
modeled
to
some
extent
off
of
other
national
models.
J
To
try
to
really
separate
the
wheat
from
the
chaff,
in
other
words,
try
to
separate
out
people
who
we
know
are
not
a
danger
who
we
know
are
possessing
that
gun
for
reasons
that
are
not
because
they
want
to
drive
gun
violence
who
are
doing
so
because
they
work
a
late
job
or
they're
doing
so
out
of
fear.
You
know
they
used
to
have
a
permit,
but
it
expired.
J
They
never
went
back
and
got
it
they're
people
who
got
beat
up
or
victimized
and
are
attending
college
and
foolishly
carried
a
gun
they
shouldn't
be
carrying
some
of
those
people,
not
necessarily
all
of
them
all
ought
to
be
diverted.
So
we
have
a
collaboration
going
now
talking
to
judicial
leadership,
about
how
we
separate
them
out
and
put
them
in
a
separate
place.
The
bigger
issue
here,
obviously,
is
we
do
not
want
a
gun,
violence
epidemic
where
we
need
to
catch
shooters.
J
We
don't
want
it
to
simply
become
a
war
on
guns,
because
we've
seen
a
war
on
drugs
and
we've
seen
how
much
damage
it
did.
We
find
ourselves
in
a
position
where
we
got
more
drugs
than
ever
they're
cheaper
than
ever
they're,
killing
more
people
than
ever
after
30
plus
years
of
a
war
on
drugs.
What
it
gave
us
was
mass
incarceration.
Some
people
called
it
a
war
on
people.
Yes,
drug
enforcement
is
important,
but
it
wasn't
done
surgically.
J
It
was
done
with
a
chainsaw,
so
we
do
not
want
to
turn
the
current
situation
into
an
opportunity
to
make
the
same
mistakes
and
act
like
every
single
person.
No
prior
record
is
the
same
as
every
single
person
with
prior
shooting
every
single
person.
Who's
working,
hard
and
going
to
college
is
exactly
the
same
as
somebody
who's
running
with
brickyard
monopoly.
J
When
you
do
that,
they
actually
have
better
futures,
they're,
less
likely
to
be
involved
in
crime
in
the
future,
because
they're
going
to
keep
that
job
they're
going
to
keep
up
with
the
education
they're
going
to
be
educated
on
going
to
get
a
permit
they're
going
to
comply,
that's
going
to
turn
out
better
than
if
we
had
simply
crushed
those
people.
Now
you
know,
I
think
I've
been
clear
you
want
to
you
want
to
be
in
the
brickyard
mafia.
J
J
I
would
appreciate
that,
but,
but
that's
how
we
have
to
be,
we
got
to
do
individual
justice
here
and
we
can't
just
replace
the
error
of
the
war
on
drugs
with
a
war
on
guns,
when
the
real
top
issue
is
get
people
who
are
killing
people
with
guns.
The
second
one
is
get
people
who
are
shooting
people
with
guns.
The
third
is
get
people
who
are
shooting
and
missing
with
guns
and
and
maybe
the
fourth
is
get
felons
who
possess
guns
or
people
who
have
a
resume.
A
That
was
that
was
my
question.
I
was
about
to
ask
the
individual
that
has
that
background,
having
a
possession
in
the
past
being
a
shooter
in
the
past
for
sure
it's
clearly.
This
is
what
you
do.
This
is
your
lifestyle,
not
first
time
possession
individuals,
but
individuals
who
pretty
much
show
in
their
background
that
you
know
this
is
pretty
much
their
lifestyle.
I'm
gonna
wrap
up
on
this
last
question.
So
how
do
you
deal
with.
J
Well,
let
me
you
know,
let
me
tell
you
a
couple
of
the
challenges
that
we're
going
to
face,
because
I
think
it's
important.
There
have
been
two
significant
changes
in
the
law
in
the
last
two
and
a
half
years
by
pennsylvania
supreme
court,
one
is
called
the
hicks
case.
The
other
is
called
the
alexander
case.
What
the
hicks
case
stands
for
is
something
new
which
is
just
just
because
the
police
officer
sees
you
showing
somebody
else,
a
gun
that
doesn't
in
a
public
place.
It
was
actually
gas
station
in
the
hicks
case.
J
That
doesn't
mean
the
police
can
come
up
and
get
information
from
you
about
why
you
have
a
permit,
not
doesn't
mean
they
correct
you.
I
happen
to
think
that
case
is
kind
of
crazy,
because
we
all
know
the
number
of
permits
in
philly
is
way
way
way
way
less
than
the
number
of
guns.
So
I
think
there
is
probable
cause
if
you're,
showing
a
gun
to
somebody
in
a
public
place
to
come
up
and
ask
questions
and
inquire
further,
but
that's
what
the
hicks
case
says.
J
So
it
means
that
police,
whatever
they're
training,
have
to
lay
back.
The
alexander
case
is
even
more
concerned
because
it
reversed
law
that
had
been
around
for
a
long
time.
Alexander
basically
says:
okay
get
a
warrant
not
for
every
single
car.
Stop
most
of
them
go
get
a
warrant
when
we
used
to
over
several
years,
allow
police
to
go
into
cars
without
a
warrant.
Okay,
what's
the
problem
there?
Well,
one
of
the
problems
is
there
is
we
got
a
whole
pile
of
cases
where
police
did
what
they
thought?
J
The
law
was
and
they
were
correct
when
they
did
it,
but
that
law
has
now
changed.
They
all
got
backed
up
during
the
pandemic,
so
there's
a
whole
pile
of
cases
that
were
prosecutable
before,
but
aren't
any
more
due
to
the
alexander
decision
and
there's
also
a
pile
of
cases
that
have
been
arrested
since
alexander,
where
the
training
was
not
effective
and
police
officers
have
searched
cars
without
a
warrant
when
alexander
says
they
needed
a
warrant.
This
is
a
problem.
J
Well,
we
got
more
to
go
so
these
are
challenges
that
we
all
face.
We
face
with
ppd.
We
remain
committed
to
assisting
in
any
way
we
can
with
training
with
providing
them
that
kind
of
an
information.
But
there's
going
to
come
a
time
when
you
know
either
the
judges
are
going
to
throw
these
cases
out
after
they
hear
a
hearing
or
we're
just
going
to
have
to
concede
that,
based
on
everything,
the
police
told
us
about
what
they
did,
it
does
not
meet
constitutional
standards,
that's
just
where
that
is.
A
Thank
you
for
that
clearly
that
that's
come
up
several
different
times.
One
of
the
court
cases
I'm
familiar
with,
which
is
hixson.
I
wasn't
familiar
with
the
other
one,
but
it
just
talks
about
the
complexity
of
how
we're
addressing
the
issue
just
in
listen,
any
other
questions
or
comments
from
members
of
the
committee.
A
As
always,
district
attorney
lagrande.
Thank
you
for
your
time.
Thank
you
for
your
team
participating
in
this
special
committee
on
gun,
violence.
Hearing
again,
it's
all
about
responsibility
to
address
this
history
comprehensively.
So
thank
you
for
taking
time
and
being
here,
and
we
will
definitely
do
a
follow-up
with
you
regarding
any
additional
information
that
we
may
need.
A
Regarding
your
request,
the
bail
bondsman
issue
as
well,
and
we
want
to
take
a
deeper
dive
into
and
then
also
I
know
you
have
some
comments
regarding
on
the
relocation
of
witnesses
that
I
know
that
that
you
had
an
interest
in
and
we
will
be
discussing
it
as
a
group,
but
also
those
are
the
those
are
the
key
issues
and
so
just
want
to
thank
you
and
your
team
for
your
time.
Thank
you.
So.
A
K
B
B
A
B
A
I
would
I
can
personally
follow
up
with
you,
but
I
will
also
after
we
ask
the
question
of
the
administration,
which
is
the
mayor's
office.
Do
additional
follow-up
with
the
office
of
jamie
guardiere
and
city
controller,
rebecca
reinhardt,
but
I'll
do
an
official
request
as
well
just
to
see
the
status
for
the
record.
A
Hearing
none.
This
concludes
the
special
committee
on
gun
violence.
We
will
have
a
follow-up
hearing
on
november
the
3rd
at
10
a.m.
Thank
you
all
the
panelists
for
taking
time
out
of
your
schedule
and
participating
in
this
very,
very
critically
important
hearing.
Most
importantly,
I
want
to
thank
all
of
my
council
colleagues
for
taking
time
out
of
their
schedule
and
being
a
part
of
this
hearing.
A
We
know
at
the
end
of
the
day,
is
going
to
take
all
of
us
participating
and
working
together
to
address
this
issue,
and
so
with
that
being
said,
this
concludes
the
hearing
of
the
special
committee
on
gun
violence.
The
next
hearing
will
be
on
november,
the
3rd
we
will
recess
now
to
the
call
of
the
chair.