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From YouTube: Special Committee on Gun Violence Prevention 8-11-2020
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The Special Committee on Gun Violence Prevention of the Council of the City of Philadelphia held a Public Hearing on Tuesday, August 11, 2020, at 9:30 AM, in a remote manner using Microsoft® Teams to hear testimony on the following items:
No. 170609
Resolution authorizing the creation of a "Special Committee on Gun Violence Prevention" to address Philadelphia's enduring plague of gun violence by facilitating coordination among stakeholders and formulating a comprehensive gun violence prevention strategy.
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By
continuing
to
be
in
the
meeting,
you
are
considering
to
being
recorded
additionally
prior
to
recognizing
members
for
the
questions
or
comments
they
have
for
witnesses.
I
will
note
for
the
record
at
this
time
that
we
will
use
the
chat
feature
available
on
microsoft
teams
to
allow
members
to
signify
that
they
wish
to
be
recognized
in
order
to
comply
with
the
subject.
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over
100
children
had
been
shot
in
philadelphia
in
2020.
Seven-Year-Old
zamar
jones
died
last
week
after
being
shot
in
the
head,
as
he
played
on
his
perch.
This
is
not
normal.
This
is
not
normal.
We
cannot
let
it
be
normal
and
I
will
not
let
it
be
normal
to
be
clear.
The
city
is
not
sitting
on
his
hands.
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I
am
proud
that
that
since
establishing
the
special
committee
on
gun
violence
in
2017,
with
our
work
with
mayor
king,
to
establish
an
office
of
violence
prevention
with
a
full
staff,
we
have
established
the
city's
first
city-wide
comprehensive
violence
prevention
program.
We
have
put
64
crisis
intervention
workers
on
the
streets
seven
days
a
week
using
the
cure
bonds,
public
health
approach.
We
have
funded
millions
in
community
and
community
grants
to
non-profit
on
the
on
the
ground
boots
organizations.
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We
have
to
work
hard
and,
together,
most
importantly,
to
address
the
simple
dumbbells
that
we're
seeing
here
in
the
city
of
philadelphia.
At
this
particular
time,
I'd
like
to
call
on
my
colleague,
councilman
curtis
jones
who's,
also
co-chair
the
special
committee
on
gun
violence
to
provide
opening
remarks.
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Larry,
I'm
sorry
I
apologize.
I
have
reviewed
the
questions
that
were
presented.
I
just
want
to
run
through
them
real
fast,
so
people
understand
the
basis
for
the
comments
number
one.
What
factors
have
contributed
to
the
ongoing
spike
on
gun
violence,
both
before
and
after
covet,
19
number
two:
what
has
covered
19?
How
has
coca
19
affected
your
violence,
prevention
and
response
efforts?
Number
three:
how
have
fy
21
budget
cuts
affected
your
violence,
prevention
and
response
efforts
and
four?
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How
have
you
adjusted
strategically
and
operationally
to
account
for
these
cobit
19
and
budget
changes?
Many
of
these
are
items
we've
spoken
about
previously,
but
let
me
make
sure
I
cover
them
if
I
may
number
one
what
factors
have
contributed
to
the
ongoing
spike
in
gun,
violence,
pre
and
post
coca
19.
There
is
a
long
term
and
there
is
a
short
term
answer
to
this
in
the
in
the
long
term.
I
There
is
no
question
that
poverty
and
racism
in
this
city,
which
are
twin
evils
and
are
interconnected,
have
contributed
greatly
to
violence
in
this
city.
This
is
a
city
that
has
a
had
a
chronically
high
rate
of
violence,
obviously
terrible
spike
at
this
time
simply
put
poverty
equals
bullets,
and
if
you
put
the
map
of
violence
over
the
map
of
poverty,
you're,
looking
at
a
map
number
two,
we
have
broken
trust.
I
There
is
a
broken
trust
between
the
community
and
prosecutors,
and
I
say
that
as
the
chief
prosecutor
there's
a
broken
trust
between
the
community
police.
Much
of
it
has
to
do
with
a
sad
history.
Frankly
of
how
people
in
communities
have
been
treated,
things
like
illegal,
stop
and
frisk
the
convictions
of
innocent
people
etc,
have
diminished
that
trust
and
that
diminishes
the
willingness.
The
likelihood
of
people
coming
forward
to
testify.
One
of
the
greatest
problems
we
have
as
prosecutors
and
police
have
investigating.
I
The
consequence
of
this,
of
course,
in
the
long
run,
has
been
that
there
are
clearance
rates,
and
I
say
that
not
to
point
because
my
office
is
currently
collaborating
with
the
police
department,
at
the
invitation
of
the
commissioner
on
joint
efforts
to
improve
those
clearance
rates.
But
there
is
no
way
to
look
at
a
situation
where,
in
certain
neighborhoods,
where
there's
a
high
level
of
gun
violence
and
you
have
clearance
rates
for
shootings
that
are
on
the
order
of
20
clearance
rates
for
homicides,
that
hover
around
50
and
often
are
below
it.
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What
that
has
been
has
been
tens
of
millions
of
dollars
invested
in
bright
community-based
organizations
for
many
years,
and
those
are
the
cities
where
you
see
both
a
decline
in
the
crime
rate
and
a
decline
in
the
jail
population
which
further
funds
the
efforts
to
work
with
community-based
organizations.
That
has
to
be
part
of
our
solution.
I
If
we
look
at
the
pandemic
stepping
away
from
some
of
the
long-term
issues
to
the
pandemic,
we
see
that
we're
in
a
time
when
there
are
fewer
witnesses
on
the
street.
Businesses
are
closed.
People
are
traveling
less
the
ones
who
are
not
risk
takers,
wear,
masks
and
stay
home
for
the
most
part,
and
yet
the
people
who
are
on
both
sides
of
the
gun
are
the
biggest
risk
takers
we
have.
So
I
guess
it
should
not
be
a
surprise.
I
Even
though
honestly,
it
did
surprise
me,
it
should
not
be
a
surprise
that
groups
and
individuals
involved
in
gunplay
are
out
and
about
while
the
people
who
might
watch
them
see
them
report
them
when
they're
lurking
when
they're
hiding
when
they're
waiting
for
each
other
are
not
there.
That
is
a
problem.
It's
not
my
opinion.
It's
the
opinion
of
a
lot
of
police
officers
as
well
with
whom
I've
spent
some
time.
I
Consider
this.
For
example,
probation
department
has
effectively
been
shut
down
for
months,
not
seeing
people
who
are
supervised
not
even
seeing
them
at
least
for
significant
periods
of
time
by
phone.
There
was
a
moment
it
is
my
understanding
when
the
probation
department
was
not
even
checking
its
voicemail.
I
Imagine
that
level
of
supervision
in
the
most
supervised
city
in
the
country.
Imagine
that
level
of
supervision.
When
you're
talking
about
people
who
have
the
potential
to
engage
in
violent
activity
and
gun
violence,
it's
it
is
a
bad
situation,
and
so
it
is
a
challenge
that
we
are
up
against.
How
has
it
affected
our
violence,
prevention
and
response
efforts?
Well,
I'll.
I
Just
give
you
one
example:
our
cares
program
which
does
what
it
can
to
serve
the
needs
of
families
who
have
suffered
loss
and
homicide
by
dealing
with
them
for
45
consecutive
days
has
to
do
an
awful
lot
remotely
and
those
families
are
going
to
funerals
remotely.
It
is
indeed
an
impediment.
How
have
the
budget
cuts
affected
our
violence,
prevention
response
efforts?
I
It
hasn't
affected
us
that
much
yet,
and
I
would
like
to
thank
and
hope
that
the
city
and
also
all
of
you,
council
members,
are
sensitive
to
the
reality
that
that
we
can't
function
with
any
kind
of
a
cut.
We
can
shift,
we
can
move,
we
can
stretch,
but
we
cannot
break
and
how
have
we
adjusted
strategically?
I
Well,
we
are
shifting
because
of
the
reality
that
courts
are
closed
and
are
in
a
reopening
mode
and
there's
quite
a
bit
of
discussion
back
and
forth
quite
a
bit
of
work
with
the
defender
with
the
courts
with
the
da's
office
to
figure
out
this
new
world
of
remote
courts.
Because
of
that
we
are
adjusting
strategically.
I
We
are
moving
moving
people
from
one
unit
to
another,
as
you
can
tell
we're,
deploying
even
more
people
to
be
out
in
the
police
divisions
to
work
collaboratively
with
the
police
department,
and
we
are
looking
at
many
other
solutions
within
the
office.
This
is
a
challenge
for
all
of
us,
but
I
want
you
to
know
that
I'm
honored
that
you
gave
me
the
chance
to
speak
to
you
about
this.
I
am
your
partner
in
every
way
possible
because
the
reality
is,
we
cannot
have
any
more.
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Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
and
I
apologize
for
the
technical
difficulties
of
getting
online.
We
we
managed
to
overcome
that.
I
want
to
thank
you,
mr
chairman,
for
being
a
laser
beam
on
this
subject.
Calling
this
emergency
meeting
was
truly
appropriate.
After
the
last
several
weeks
we've
had
many
of
the
members
on
this
call
have
been
co-victims
of
some
of
the
murders
in
the
city
of
philadelphia.
We
call
each
other.
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We
support
each
other
in
ways
that
that
that
that
is,
is
like
family
being
lost
because
they
are.
I
will
share
just
quick
story
and
then
get
to
the
point.
D.A
krasner,
myself,
representative,
see
if
it's
about
almost
two
months
ago
now
walked
around
my
district
in
some
of
the
hot
spots,
and
we
were
looking
at
ways
to
be
more
impactful
to
be
more
intentional
in
our
limited
resources
that
we
have
to
combat
this
issue,
and
one
of
the
stops
was
simpson
street.
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We
had
11
shooting
victims,
we
had
23
robberies
with
firearms,
33
aggravated
assaults
with
firearms,
16
shooting
incidences.
So
I
don't
know
what
the
calculations
are
and
how
we're
supposed
to
sociologically
consider
all
of
the
factors.
But
if
you
look
at
that
from
the
lens
of
a
insurance
broker
or
the
lens
of
a
mother,
that's
a
dangerous
block
and
whatever
resources
to
whatever
programs
you
want
to
call
it,
you
could
call
it,
you
could
call
it.
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So
when
we
talk
about
the
various
programs,
it
starts
for
me
in
your
district.
Remember
johnson,
when
you
did
the
focus
determined,
and
there
are
many
different
critiques
of
that
program.
Some
people
say
you
know
it
was
a
a
rousing
success.
Some
people
may
say
it
costs
too
much,
but
if
it
saved
lives,
if
we're
not
insurance
brokers,
putting
a
price
tag
on
zamir
jones's
life,
then
his
life
to
me
is
priceless.
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So,
whether
you
take
all
of
these
programs
are
supposed
to
be
tailored
to
the
geography
in
which
they
find
themselves.
South
philly
is
not
west
philly.
West
philly
is
not
the
northeast
or
kenzie,
but
we
need
to
take
components
that
work
to
create
solutions
that
are
necessary
in
our
respective
districts
and,
as
the
d.a
said,
we
got
to
put
our
money
where
our
mouth
is
pound
for
pound
dollar
for
dollar.
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Thank
you
councilman
jones.
At
this
time
I'm
going
to
ask
for
I
want
to
acknowledge
first
and
foremost,
excuse
me.
I
want
to
acknowledge,
I
want
to
acknowledge,
kendrick,
brooks
and
councilman
cindy
bass,
who
are
also
present,
and
at
this
time
I'm
going
to
open
up
two
questions
for
district
attorney,
larry
krasner.
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This
is
councilwoman
sanchez.
Thank
you,
d.a
krasner,
for
your
willingness
to
roll
up
your
sleeves
and
do
whatever
is
necessary,
as
we
are
unprecedented
times.
If
you
had
to
say
what
we
need
to
do
immediately
as
it
relates
to
the
court
system,
what
would
be
your
recommendations?
One
two
and
three
and
again,
I
I
give
this
space
a
little
took
my
councilman
councilman
jones,
who
is
a
member
of
c
jab.
H
The
reason
c
jab
exists
is
for
us
to
be
able
to
have
a
coordinated
response,
and
people
don't
want
to
hear
that
the
courts
are
not
open.
People
want
to
hear
that
we're
prosecuting
and
we're
getting
people
in
jail
who
need
to
be
in
jail
as
we
work
to
releasing
those
who
don't
need
to
be
there.
So
one
two
three
things
that
need
to
happen
immediately
for
us
to
get
that
court
going,
and
I
I
am
of
the
belief
that
the
court
system
has
not
been
held
accountable.
H
We
see
it,
we
are
seeing
it
in
the
eviction
process,
we're
seeing
it
everywhere
else,
and
I
want
to
know
what
this
council
can
do
immediately
to
outside
of
our
just
our
budget
discussion,
because
we
will
have
that
too,
as
chair
of
appropriations.
But
what
do
we
need
to
do
immediately
to
get
this
moving?
Thank
you.
D.A.
I
I
That's
not
happening
here,
so
there
needs
to
be
an
improvement
in
the
bail
situation
where
some
of
the
broke
poor
people
and
the
non-serious
cases
are
out
and
those
places
are
occupied
by
people
who
are
truly
dangerous
to
the
community
and
endanger
not
only
everyone
else,
but
in
danger
themselves.
The
second
thing
is
that
during
the
court
reopening
we
are
really
going
to
have
to
move
ahead.
There's
going
to
have
to
be
some
grasp,
understanding
and
serious
engagement
with
technology,
because
a
certain
amount
of
this
can
be
done.
I
Technologically,
I
can
tell
you
that
we
are
working
closely
with
judicial
leadership,
we're
working
closely
with
rich
mcsorley,
who
has
just
been
appointed
to
be
in
charge
of
such
things.
We're
we
are
exchanging
ideas
with
the
defenders
as
always,
and
we're
hopeful
that
we're
gonna
have
a
decent
plan
moving
forward,
but
it's
tough.
I
I
mean
these
are
unprecedented
times
in
my
33-year
career
as
an
attorney
when
I
was
in
the
cjc
or
city
hall
consistently,
we've
never
seen
the
courts
close
for
more
than
a
few
days,
and
it's
been
three
and
a
half
months.
I
can
tell
you
this.
I
am
happy
to
give
you
more
specific
proposals
as
early
as
around
labor
day,
once
we
see
what
it
is,
the
courts
actually
intend
to
do.
Much
of
this
is
under
their
control
and
the
third
thing
would
be
probation
really
really
needs
to
be
supervised.
I
I
B
That
thank
you
very
much
district
attorney
like
krasner,
and
you
hit
something
that
was
the
nail
on
the
head,
specifically
around
the
issue
of
probation
and
parole
and
the
lack
of
supervision,
which
also
plays
a
role
in
those
who
are
most
violent
and
those
who
are
shooters
to
have
the
opportunity
to
run
freely
in
the
streets
without
supervision
without
getting
their
yarns
checked
without
overall
being
supervised.
So
thank
you
for
touching
on
on
that
aspect.
Give
me
one
recommendation
as
relates
to.
B
Let
me
talk
about
the
rebuilding
of
trust
with
the
district
attorney's
office,
as
well
as
the
philadelphia
police
department.
But
let's
stay
focused
on
the
district
attorney's
office.
Give
me
one
recommendation
that
will
help
build
the
trust
with
the
da's
office
and
also
parlayed
it
partly
that
into
specifically
your
approach
on
prosecuting
those
who
are
carrying
guns.
There
is
no
we've
discussed
this
before
this
has
been
mentioned
before
a
lot
of
the
talk
in
the
streets.
B
Some
way
that
they're
going
to
get
off
so
give
me
an
idea
of
how
a
recommendation
of
how
your
office
approaches
on
that
issue
of
prosecuting
those
who
carry
guns,
but
also.
How
can
we
improve
and
recommend
recommendations
in
terms
of
their
trust,
building
between
the
district
attorney's
office
and
members
of
the
community?.
I
I
The
reason
you
take
unpopular
positions
that
are
legally
correct
is
to
show
that
you
are
trying
to
be
fair,
and
I
will
say
this
one
thing
that
I
think
this
office
can
be
duly
proud
of
is
when
we
walk
around
the
streets,
which
I
do
as
well
of
course,
council
member
is
we
hear
people
over
and
over
and
over
say
you
are
trying
to
be
fair.
The
reason
they're
saying
trying
is
they
are
used
to
prosecutors,
who
don't
even
try.
I
They
don't
expect
us
to
be
perfect,
but
they
do
expect
us
to
try
now
in
terms
of
building
trust.
Of
course,
we
are
also
working
with
the
philadelphia
police
department,
and
I
know
that
this
commissioner
is
dedicated
to
accountability
within
the
police
department
and
that
she's
going
to
have
frankly
she's
going
to
take
some
heat
on
that,
because
we've
been
taking
some
heat
on
that
too.
But
we
stand
ready
to
assist
and
to
partner
in
terms
of
making
sure
that
there's
an
even-handed
application
of
justice.
I
Going
to
your
question
about
the
prosecution
of
guns
and
the
prosecution
of
shootings,
we
have.
What
has
been
going
on
here
actually
is
that
we
brought
a
higher
level
of
gun
cases,
meaning
a
higher
percent
of
them
than
a
prior
administration,
and
we
are
in
a
process
with
the
police
department
of
looking
carefully
at
the
cases
that
have
not
made
it
to
the
finish
line.
You
always
have
some
cases
that
don't
make
it
to
the
finish
line,
but
we
need
to
know
why.
I
So
we
are
looking
at
those
cases,
and
I
can
tell
you
we
are
currently
engaged
in
a
review
of
about
over
400
cases
where
certain
issues
came
up
to
find
out
what
it
is.
Some
of
those
issues,
I
think,
can
be
remedied
within
this
office.
Some
of
those
issues
are
joint
issues
with
the
police
department
and
we
have
spoken
about
them.
I
We
the
whole
point
of
progressive
prosecution
of
going
easy
on
turnstile
jumpers
was
to
focus
on
gun
violence,
because
it
is
unacceptable
to
hold
people
appropriately
accountable
that
what
that
was
the
whole
point.
That's
what
we've
been
saying
from
the
beginning.
That
is
what
actually
worked
in
chicago
before
the
pandemic
hit,
and
things
began
to
reverse
and
in
fact
we
are
experiencing
terrible
gun
violence
in
nine
out
of
america's
ten
major
cities
during
this
pandemic,
including
ones
where
gun
violence.
Thankfully,
due
to
some
of
the
programs
we're
trying
to
copy
here,
what's
going
down.
G
Thank
you,
mr
chair,
and
I
thank
you
d.a
krasner,
for
your
testimony
and
for
your
work.
I
wanted
to
circle
back
to
something
you
mentioned
in
your
testimony
specifically
about
the
program,
wherein
you
have
two
ada's
per
six
areas,
and
then
you
plan
to
move
to
18
all
across
the
city.
Can
you
speak
to
any
early
results
of
of
this
program.
I
Obviously
I
can't
and
won't
get
into
the
specifics,
but
I
can
tell
you
that
we
meet
regularly
it's
about
once
every
10
days
or
so
with
the
12
people
who
are
now
deployed
out
in
the
community,
and
what
we
are
finding
is
that
about
90
of
the
reports
we
get
are
very
positive
from
them
that
the
relationship
within
the
police
division
is
positive.
That
they're
able
to
be
helpful
and
they're
also
learning
a
lot.
I
So
you
know
it
is
our
hope
that
they're
going
to
bring
back
to
us
a
lot
of
intelligence
that
will
be
useful
to
us
in
making
the
best
bail
arguments
that
we
can
make,
but
they
will
also
be
of
great
assistance,
for
example,
in
helping
to
review
an
affidavit
of
probable
cause
for
a
search
warrant
for
an
arrest
warrant.
Something
like
that.
I
think
that
we
may
move
to
a
training
mode,
for
example
on
the
issue
I
just
raised
about
constructive
possession
of
a
weapon
and
how
that
gets
proved
beyond
a
reasonable
doubt.
I
We
may
be
able
to
work
jointly
with
the
commissioner
at
her
invitation,
of
course,
because
we
respect
the
police
department's
independence
in
that
direction.
You
know
we
certainly
have
had
discussions
about
forensics,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
the
commissioner,
I
think,
has
a
lot
to
say
on
it.
I
will
not
say
anything
on
it
because
she's
taking
the
lead
on
that
at
this
time,
but
I
think
that
we're
seeing
some
positive
results.
We
are
also
now
in
conjunction
with
gvi
the
gun,
violence
intervention
program.
I
We
are
now
going
to
be
doing
the
custom
notifications,
and
this
is
part
of
the
reason
to
move
to
three
people
per
each
division.
I
can
tell
you
this.
I
feel
that
it
is
positive
nothing's
going
to
change
overnight,
but
we're
seeing
constructive
developments,
and
I
think
we
are
seeing
better
reports
every
time
we
meet
with
very
few
exceptions,
we're
getting
good
reports
and
and
in
general,
in
my
six
hours
spent
on
the
phone
speaking
with
police
brass
around
the
city
in
general,
we're
getting
good
reports
and
we're
identifying
problem
areas.
G
Thank
you
and
then
I
had
a
second
question
that
I
just
wanted
to
mention.
We
all
recognize
that
philadelphia
has
a
long-standing
problem
and
issue
with
witness
retaliation
and
with
the
no
stitching
snitching
culture.
You
know
I've
heard
my
young
people
say
when
I
was
a
teacher
snitches
get
stitches.
So
what
can
we
do
and
what
has
your
office
been
doing
to
work
with
those
citizens
who
come
forward
with
information
about
gun
violence
in
their
communities?
And
how
are
we
working
with
those
individuals
and
their
families
to
make
sure
they
are
protected?
I
Thank
you
again
for
that
question.
That
is
something
in
fairness
to
my
predecessors
predecessors.
This
office
has
always
taken
seriously.
I
can
tell
you,
I
personally
become
involved
in
these
situations
from
time
to
time
when
they
are
emergent
when
they
are
immediate,
I
won't
say
who,
but
we
have.
We
have
communicated
recently,
even
with
a
council
member
who
was
very
very
concerned
about
the
safety
of
someone
who
you
know
was
within
her
world
and
and
we
take
it
very
very
seriously.
This
office
will
protect
and
I
don't
just
mean,
prosecute
retaliation.
I
I
don't
just
mean
prosecute
intimidation.
We
will
protect
in
terms
of
using
all
the
resources
that
are
available
us
available
to
us.
If
necessary,
we
will
move
people
as
much
as
we
are
permitted
to
do
so.
We
have
people
who
work
on
this
full-time
and
what
we
want-
and
I
say
this
as
an
invitation
to
every
member
of
council.
I
What
we
want
is
to
find
out
as
quickly
as
possible
if
there
is
a
situation
that
does
not
appear
to
be
under
control,
so
that
you
know
lamar
stewart
and
kaziah
cameron
who
runs
our
victim
witness
unit
and
bill
curtin,
and
some
other
people
in
the
office
can
jump
on
that
situation.
We
know
that
there
are
people
in
custody
now
or
people
out
there,
we're
chasing
and
the
police
are
chasing,
who
have
killed
more
than
one
person.
I
We
understand
that
and
it
is
intolerable
to
have
a
situation
where
justice
is
obstructed
by
having
having
the
victimization
of
witnesses
and
survivors
of
these
incidents.
So
we
are
serious
as
we
can
possibly
be,
and
we
all
that
we
can
do
is
to
invite
and
ask
you
to
let
us
know.
If
there's
a
situation,
we
can
jump
on
sunday
night
monday
morning,
three
o'clock
in
the
morning.
Whatever
it
takes
we'll
do
it.
M
My
question
is
for
the
district
attorney
and
it's
around
marijuana
sales,
and
I
know
that
this
is
a
committee
on
gun
violence,
but
the
gun,
violence
that
happens
in
my
district
primarily
is
connected
to
marijuana
sales,
and
I
know
that
this
is
not
really
popular.
What
I'm
going
to
say,
but
you
know
the
the
conversation.
I
think
that
some
of
the
leadership
here
in
the
city
of
philadelphia
has
had
around
legalizing
marijuana
the
the
the
idea
that
it's
pretty
much
okay.
M
Now
a
lot
of
people
think
it's
legal
now
and
further
perpetuation
of
the
conversation
around
the
legalization
and
how
great
that's
going
to
be
for
the
city
of
philadelphia.
Well,
I
don't
feel
so
great
about
it
right
now
in
germantown
and
it's
not
legal
in
germantown,
but
a
lot
of
people
feel
that
way
and
it's
leading
to
an
enormous
amount
of
gun.
Violence
through
these
transactions
through
these
sales,
and
so
I
wanted
to
hear
from
our
district
attorney.
M
If
you
could
comment
on
this
because
I
know
like
I
said,
the
position
that
I'm
taking
is
not
the
popular
position
right
now,
but
I'm
okay
with
that.
But
I
want
to
hear
from
our
district
attorney
who,
as
I
understand
it
recently,
you
know,
did
an
op-ed
or
a
written
piece
around
the
legalization
and
how
that's
going
to
you
know
be
much
better
for
the
city
of
philadelphia
in
terms
of
arrest
in
terms
of
violence
and
other
municipalities
who
have
legalized,
aren't
saying
the
same
things.
M
There
was
just
recently
a
report
on
2020
about
the
legalization
and
how
they
thought
that
the
you
know
the
illegal
market
would
go
away
and
how
it
would
be
so
much
better
and
they
will
be
spending
so
much
less
on
crime
and
and
incarceration,
and
the
exact
opposite
has
happened.
So
I'd
like
to
hear
more
about
you
know
how
we
get
in
front
of
that
issue,
because
you
know
for
all
of
the
folks
who
feel
like
the
you
know.
M
Oh
there's
nothing
wrong
with
smoking
weed
there's
nothing
wrong
with
you
know,
buying
weed
and
consuming
well
at
the
end
of
almost
every
homicide.
That's
happening
in
my
district
is
a
transaction
related
or
connected
to
a
marijuana
sale.
So
I'm
wondering
if
you
can
elaborate
on
your
position
on
that
further.
Thank
you.
I
Yes,
thank
you
councilmember.
I
appreciate
that
so
number
one,
this
office
prosecutes
and
always
has
prosecuted
the
illegal
sales
of
marijuana.
That
is
what
we
do.
The
only
difference
between
this
administration
and
the
prior
administration
when
it
comes
to
marijuana,
is
that
we
no
longer
prosecute
the
small
number
of
marijuana
possession
cases
that
were
being
prosecuted
when
we
got
here.
80
of
those
cases
were
already
being
dealt
with
under
what
is
essentially
a
ticket
which,
of
course,
the
mayor
himself
pursued.
That
is
the
only
difference
we
prosecute
all
marijuana
dealing.
I
I
I
understand
your
point.
It
is
true
that
some
of
the
homicides
and
some
of
the
gun
violence
that
we're
seeing
in
different
parts
of
the
city,
including
germantown,
that
some
of
it
does
relate
to
illegal
sales
of
marijuana.
I
will
say
this,
though
it
does
not
relate
to
illegal
sales
of
alcohol.
We
do
not
have
people
being
shot
on
street
corners
because
someone
is
selling
bottles
of
whiskey
anymore
and
we
used
to
it
was
called
prohibition.
I
The
real
answer
here
I
would
suggest
respectfully
is
that
the
state
should
get
around
what
the
governor
wants
to
do
in
the
first
place,
which
is
allowing
for
adult
use
legal
marijuana
in
pennsylvania,
and
you
will
therefore
see
exactly
what
we
saw
after
prohibition,
which
is
that
the
street
corner
sales
were
diminished.
There
have
been
some
issues
in
other
states
where
an
illegal
trade
in
marijuana
persisted,
but
that
was
almost
always
because
taxation
was
out
of
lung.
When
taxation
became
truly
extreme,
you
can
end
up
with
the
illegal
sale
of
cigarettes.
M
Don't
I
don't
want
to
interrupt
you,
but
I
do
need
to
say
that
that
I
don't
find
a
comparison
to
prohibition
which
is
nearly
100
years
ago
or
so
that
that
is
relevant
to
today.
So
I
understand
where
you're
going
with
that,
but
I
think
fast
forwarding
to
2020
and
the
homicides
that
are
occurring
now
that
I
don't
think
that
prohibition
is
a
comparable
argument
to
make.
I
just
wanted
to
state
that,
for
the
record.
D
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
for
your
leadership.
Thank
you
to
both
of
the
chairs
for
your
leadership.
I
appreciate
councilman
johnson
convening
this
yesterday.
I
think
that
it
was
the
beginning
of
hopefully
what
would
be
a
productive
conversation
around
solutions,
as
it
relates
to
gun
violence
in
the
city
of
philadelphia,
I'll
try
to
be
as
efficient
as
possible
with
my
questions
and
thank
you
district
attorney
for
joining
us
today
for
your
testimony
and
I'm
just
you
know,
I
want
to
just
attack
this
from
a
solution
perspective.
D
I
think
it's
important
that
we
recognize
that
this
isn't
personal
people
across
the
city
of
philadelphia
are
suffering
and
similar
to
what
councilmember
jones's
presentation
showed
us.
There
are
a
number
of
hot
spots
in
the
city
where
we
need
to
identify
where
those
places
are
and
provide
as
many
resources
as
we
can
from
a
council
perspective,
because
that's
our
job
so,
first
and
foremost,
just
you
know
just
being
a
philadelphia
guy
who
has
a
few
relationships.
D
You
know
I'm
noticing
a
lot
of
people
and
there's
a
lot
of
talk
about
people
being
shot
in
their
car
and
what
young
people
are
talking
about
is
when
people
are
shot
in
their
car
is
presumed
to
be
some
type
of
setup.
I'm
wondering
if
the
district
attorney's
office
is
knowing
any
level
of
increase
of
people
shot
and
killed
in
their
car
and
and
why
that
might
be
happening
and
where
that's
coming
from.
I
Okay
councilmember.
Thank
you
very
much
for
that
question.
I'm
just
trying
to
sort
out
what
I
should
be
talking
about
and
not
I
can
tell
you
this
as
an
anecdotal
matter.
I
cannot
refer
to
data,
although
I
can
get
it
for
you,
but
as
an
anecdotal
matter.
We
have
certainly
seen
more
than
one
situation
where
there
is
a
pattern
of
killing
people
in
cars.
I
Situation
where
it
appears
that
what
was
going
on
was
pre-planned
killings,
some
of
which
were
for
money.
I
am
aware
of
a
situation
like
that.
It
is
a
common
lotus
operandi.
It
is
a
common
way
of
planning
the
killing
of
another
person.
I
cannot
tell
you
whether
the
number
of
the
killings
that
occurred
in
cars
is
increasing,
that
that
is
data
that
I
can
try
to
get
from
our
homicide
unit,
and
I
think
it
may
also
be
obtainable
from
the
ppd.
So
I
can
further
answer
your
question.
D
That
would
be
great.
Thank
you,
I
mean
so.
The
the
other
side
of
that
is
again
there's.
There's,
there's
dialogue
and
there's
rumbling
about
there
being
a
lot
of
hired
shooters
in
the
city
of
philadelphia
and
when,
when
people
are
having
conflicts
with
one
another,
there's
one
thing
to
kind
of
know
who's
coming
for
you
it's
another
thing.
I
Council
member,
I
think
that
there
has
been
some
reporting
of
a
recent
arrest
by
the
philadelphia
police
department
and
prosecution
by
this
office
of
a
man
who
was
a
contract
killer
and
who
is
in
some
way
or
other
linked
to
four
separate
homicides.
That
aspect
of
it
is
public
record.
I
can
tell
you
that
you
know.
During
my
33
year
career
there
have
always
been
some
cases
involving
some
contract
killers,
and
I
can
also
tell
you
there's
more.
I
I
I
think
it
is
logical
that
you
are
unfortunately,
perhaps
more
likely
to
have
a
mistake
about
the
intended
victim
when
you
are
dealing
with
contract
killers,
who
don't
even
know
the
face
necessarily
of
the
person
they
have
been
sent
to
kill.
So
I
think
your
concerns
are
entirely
valid
and
somewhat
heartbreaking.
I
Our
taps
are
an
incredibly
good
way
to
get
inside
of
criminal
organizations,
as
opposed
to
just
observing
what
people
did
and
trying
to
rely
on
civilian
witnesses.
So
that
may
be
one
of
the
many
paths
forward
in
this
regard,
but
again
as
much
as
I
regret
not
being
able
to
say
more,
let
me
tell
you
this
is
very
much
a
concern.
It
is
one
of
our
front
and
center
concerns
within
our
homs
site
division.
I
B
No
thank
you.
I
just
want
to
follow
with
councilman
thomas
on
remarks.
Yes,
it's
widely
known,
at
least
on
the
street
level,
that
there
are
higher
killers
as
for
as
low
as
500
to
retaliate
and
take
a
person
out
and
a
lot
of
times.
It
has
nothing
to
do
with
the
intended
target.
A
lot
of
these
young
guys
are
going
after.
B
If
you
would
hang
with
someone
who
was
involved
in
a
homicide
that
you
don't
have
to
be
the
intended
target
anymore,
we
will
take
out
your
brother,
your
cousin
or
your
friends,
and
so
just
a
little
bit
of
information,
as
relates
to
at
least
what
we
hear
on
the
ground
from
a
violent
prevention
standpoint
from
the
christ
intervention
standpoint.
That's
just
additional
information,
I'm
councilman
curtis
jones
and
councilman
alan
down.
L
Thank
you
again
colleague,
so
this
question
is
not
just
for
you,
but
I'll
have
it
on
the
record
so
that
those
who
testify,
after
you
can
kind
of
respond
to
it.
So
all
murders
are
critical
and
sad,
but
all
of
them
aren't
the
same
and
what
I
mean
by
that.
Do
we
in
order
to
deal
with
the
crisis,
do
we
say
all
right?
Here's
the
murders
that
happened
domestically.
L
L
If
we're
talking
about
issues
of
facebook,
twitter,
gangsters
that
are
going
through
some
type
of
back
and
forth
beef
that
you
can
kind
of
through
police
intelligence
kind
of
predict,
our
retaliatory,
those
are,
if
you
codify
them
in
each
of
the
categories.
Some
are
more
preventable
than
others.
Some
are
treated
with
counseling
yeah,
others
are
treated
with
a
hardcore,
hard,
stop
camera
related
surveillance.
L
Are
we
using
our
respective
organizations
the
police,
the
district
attorney?
Some
of
our
partners
at
the
state
and
federal
level
to
kind
of
codify
some
of
these
murders
and
then
creating
a
little
more
customized
response.
I
said
that
because
of
one
gentleman
who
will
remain
nameless,
everybody
who
is
in
this
knows
who
he
is
he
he
chronicled
a
whole
murder
group
with
names
and
pictures,
and
things
like
that
how
these
these
individuals
were
operating
almost
in
a
organized
crime
way
that
is
very
different
than
somebody
on
a
friday
night.
I
So
thank
you
for
the
question
council
member.
I
I
believe
honestly.
I
think
that
the
police
commissioner,
is
going
to
be
able
to
give
you
more
specifics
on
some
of
the
really
good
things
that
have
been
happening
with
the
ppd
for
some
time.
It
is
a
fact
that
there's
a
unit
within
the
ppd
and
I'm
not
going
to
get
more
specific,
because
it's
for
her
to
talk
and
me
to
be
quiet,
but
there
is
a
unit
that
is
looking
very
closely
at
social
media
and
their
achievements
are
considerable.
I
In
terms
of
being
able
to
find
some
of
this
information
out
my
office,
would
you
know
we
would
be
grateful
for
as
much
information
as
they're
willing
to
share,
because
often
it
may
predict
something
that's
going
to
happen
in
the.
In
the
same
way,
social
media
at
times
was
used
to
predict
fights
between
kids
getting
out
of
school.
I
It
may
be
used
for
that
purpose,
but
it's
also
often
compelling
evidence
for
the
purpose
of
investigation
and
prosecution.
Some
of
it's
not
all
about
I'm
going
to
do
something
on
wednesday,
some
of
it's
bragging
about
something
that
already
occurred
and
you're.
Not
quite
sure
what
they're
bragging
about
until
you
start
to
put
the
pieces
together,
so
I
do
think
that
number
one
it's
a
tremendous
tool
for
law
enforcement
in
terms
of
solving
cases
and
on
occasion
it
may
also
be
a
way
to
prevent
a
homicide
which,
of
course,
is
our
real
goal.
I
Here,
it's
not
cleaning
up
after
the
mess.
It's
stopping
the
mess,
that's
what
we
all
want.
You
know,
there's
nothing
more
important
to
me
than
having
shooters
off
the
streets
and
I'm
willing
to
do
anything
that
I
can
do
consistent
with
the
law
and
the
constitution.
To
make
that
happen.
Your
point
is
an
excellent
one.
There
are
five
different
levels
of
homicide
and
we
take
that
those
differences
seriously,
because
justice
is
individual,
but
the
cases
we're
talking
about
today
are
some
of
the
most
serious
cases.
They
are
some
of
the
most
heartbreaking
cases.
I
L
We
we
see
on
social
media
and
I
do
admit-
and
I
have
admitted
to
the
chair-
that
he
is
more
in
tune
to
instagram
than
I
will
ever
be,
but
you
can
see
groups
of
guys
going
into
other
neighborhoods
that
they
have
issue
with
and
posting
on
their
instagram.
Here
we
are
looking
for
you
in
your
neighborhood.
I
Well,
number
one:
it's
awful
number
two!
I
only
wish
we
lived
in
a
world
and
maybe
we'll
get
there.
Maybe
there
can
be
resources
to
get
us
there.
I
only
wish
we.
We
live
in
a
world
where
that
kind
of
notification
that
we
are
here
to
get
to
was
instantaneously
known
to
police,
because
it
constitutes
a
crime
in
and
of
itself,
and
it
constitutes
an
opportunity
for
immediate
arrest
and
for
prosecution
and
for
saving
the
lives,
that
of
the
other
ones.
I
You
know
whose
blood
they're
out
to
spill
and
frankly,
saving
their
lives
too,
because
so
much
of
this,
when
we
talk
about
protecting
the
public,
it's
all
the
public
and
this
risk-taking
behavior
at
either
end
of
the
gun
ends
up
taking
life.
So
I
would
love
to
see
a
situation
where
forensic
capacity
technological
capacity
is
even
better
than
it
is
now,
and
it
is
very
good
with
the
philadelphia
police
department,
I'd
love
to
see
that
world
and
I'd
love
to
be
able
to
participate
in
a
way.
That's
constructive.
Thank.
D
I
I
It
is
clear
that
a
significant
portion
of
the
increase
and
a
lot
of
the
the
increase
this
year
in
nine
out
of
ten
ten
of
americans
major
cities
has
been
pandemic
related
to
the
point
where,
even
in
other
cities,
where
the
violence
was
going
on,
it
reversed
and
went
back
up.
So
yes,
I
think
it
is
an
important
fact.
Okay,
so.
D
Last
question
not
really
a
question,
but
maybe
just
a
suggestion
or
a
statement,
and
maybe
you
can
add
to
it
whether
it's
true
or
false,
you
know
perception's
reality
and
the
perception
on
the
street
is
that
the
police
department
is
somewhat
demoralized
and
somewhat
demoralized
because
they
feel
the
district
attorney's
office
doesn't
have
their
back.
For
you
know.
Basically,
how
do
we
build
that
relationship
with
the
district
attorney's
office,
the
police
department,
everyone's
working
together
as
a
team
and
pulling
in
the
same
direction.
I
So
I
mean
to
be
as
candid
as
I
possibly
can,
when
you
have
a
clearance
rate
of
20
percent
in
neighborhoods,
where
there
are
a
lot
of
shootings,
and
I
say
that
as
an
entity
that
is
involved
in
trying
to
change
that.
So
it's
not
to
blame
when
you
have
that
kind
of
a
clearance
rate,
I
have
to
think
that
has
a
little
bit
more
impact
than
if
you
arrest
a
police
officer
in
a
ninja
turtle,
outfit
who's
pulling
down,
masks
and
spraying
faces
with
oc
spray.
I
I
think
that's
a
false
narrative
and
I
think
it's
a
political
narrative.
I
don't
think
it
comes
from
our
police
department.
I
think
it
comes
from
the
head
of
our
police
union,
who
is
full-on
in
campaign
mode
and
has
been
for
the
30
months
that
we've
been
in
office.
I
just
you
know
I
mean
we
can
say
perception
is
reality.
Call
me
crazy.
I
think
reality
is
reality.
I
Perception
is
a
factor,
but
I
think
reality
is
reality
and
what
we
need
to
do
here
is
look
at
the
long-term
causes
if
we
ever
really
want
to
get
out
of
it
and
address
them,
and
we
need
to
look
at
some
of
the
short-term
causes
and
see
how
we
can
work
better
together.
I
can
tell
you
that
I
have
enjoyed
a
very
constructive
relationship
with
commissioner
ross
and
I
believe,
I'm
enjoying
a
very
constructive
relationship
with
commissioner
outlaw
and
I
look
forward
to
continuing
to
do
that.
D
I
D
A
B
D
Thank
you,
chairman,
johnson
and
jones.
I
appreciate
this
hearing
and
how
important
it
was,
and
even
the
event
yesterday,
as
we
heard
yesterday,
the
people
in
the
community
are
feeling,
like
their
voices,
aren't
being
heard,
and
it's
up
to
them
to
lift
their
voices
up
to
make
sure
these
people
in
this
in
these
communities
who
are
suffering
through
these.
This
very
violent
trend,
that's
going
on
here
in
philadelphia
and
amongst
other
cities,
so
that
we
could
help
hopefully
prevent
this
in
the
future.
D
But
and
this
attorney
krasner,
I
know
you
mentioned
catherine
gilmore
richardson
had
said
something
about
safety
of
victims
and
witnesses.
How
important
that
is.
I
know
you
said
about
trust,
but
what
I
hear
on
the
street,
mostly
is
fear,
there's
a
lot
of
fear
when
these
people
are
out
there
shooting
on
streets,
there's
people
that
are
locked
into
their
homes
and
are
afraid
to
go
out
when
they
do
see
something
they're
afraid
that
they
could
be
the
next
victim.
I
That
that
is
not
entirely
true.
We
have
been
involved
in
many
situations
beforehand.
It
does
get
complicated
because
some
of
what
we
do
is
subject
to
state
funding
and
state
requirements,
but
this
office
will
do
everything
it
can
formally
informally
through
traditional
methods
through
non-traditional
methods,
to
protect
people
early
and
to
work
with
the
police
department.
To
do
that,
I
do
not
want
people
to
walk
away
from
this
hearing.
Thinking
that
we
are
not
here
to
protect
them.
I
D
It's
important
to
have
those
folks
know
that,
because,
if
there's
not
a
rest
at
that
time
and
somebody's
still
out
there
and
they're
afraid
that
those
people
are
out
there,
so
they
do
not
give
information
it's
important.
So
if
even
if
the
district
attorney
can't
do
that,
can
we
work
with
other
sources
and
other
victim
protection
programs
to
get
to
them
to
make
sure
that
they
exist,
and
I
know
there's
some
background
or
some
people
unmuted
out
there,
but
right.
I
D
D
We
need
to
work
this
together
and
I
think
yesterday
was
the
start
of
hearing
the
community's
voice
and
knowing
that
they
want
to
participate,
but
we
got
to
make
sure
that
we're
able
to
protect
them-
and
I
know
you
did
mention
also
in
chicago
some
of
the
platforms
and
programs
they
had
before
covert
and
how
they
work.
I
mean
it
sounds
crazy,
but
I'm
not
sure
we
would
follow
those
programs
because
of
the
issues
that
chicago
is
having,
and
maybe
it
is
some
pandemic
related.
D
But
we
could
take
in
pieces
of
those
programs
and
try
to
implement
them
here,
but
not
all
those
programs
are
working
either.
So
I
mean
thinking
outside
the
box,
also
listening
to
the
people
that
are
on
the
street
and
using
those
people
formerly
incarcerated
people
who
some
of
the
people
we
heard
yesterday
to
help
us
get
into
that
street
level.
D
To
talk
to
these
kids
to
give
them
different
opportunities,
I
think
is
so
important,
so
I
mean
I'm
on
board
to
help
in
any
way
we
can,
but
following
programs
that
we
see
may
have
worked
previously,
but
aren't
working
now
may
not
be
the
best
option
and
I
think
we
need
to
look
at
other
options
and
all
options
if
we're
really
going
to
really
prevent
some
of
the
violence.
That's
going
on
today,.
I
Council
member,
I
certainly
agree
with
that.
I
mean
one
thing
that
that,
at
least
in
the
meetings
I've
attended
hasn't
been
spoken
about
too
much
is,
for
example,
the
grid
program,
in
los
angeles,
which
has
had
success
over
a
long
period
of
time
in
reducing
gun
violence.
It
is
not
a
law
enforcement-led
program,
but
has
been
very
effective.
That
may
be
a
little
outside
of
the
box.
I
It
may
be
something
that
we
want
to
take
a
look
at,
but
I
totally
share
your
idea
that
you
know,
even
though
some
of
these
programs
work
and
they
don't
work-
they
may
be
failing
at
the
moment
in
another
location.
I
totally
share
your
point.
You
have
to
try
many
different
methods,
something
that
you
have
to
have
a
layer
of
different
methods
and
hopefully
conjunction.
B
N
Thank
you,
councilmember
johnson.
I
was
going
to
see
if
our
district
attorney
could
come
back
tomorrow,
because
I
know
he
has
another
appointment,
but
I
just
wanted
to
go
back
to
what
council
member
johnson
a
chair
special
committee
talked
about
as
well
as
some
of
the
conversations
from
councilmember
dom
district
attorney
krasner.
I
applaud
the
the
efforts
you've
done
in
restorative
justice
and
some
of
the
collaborative
approaches
that
you've
taken
in
this
office.
N
I
say
that
as
a
former
assistant
district
attorney
and
assistant
deputy
attorney
general
in
delaware,
but
my
concern-
and
I
heard
some
of
this
commentary
from
my
colleagues
and
you
made
a
point
of
reality-
is
reality
and
the
reality
is
that
we
have
a
gun,
violence
issue
in
our
city
and
a
public
health
crisis.
And
so
my
question
is
going
forward.
I
So
I
thank
you
for
that
comment.
I
totally
share
it.
You
know
it's
before
we
were
talking
about
a
pandemic
before
we
were
imagining
this
kind
of
spike
in
gun
violence.
We
were
just
looking
forward
to
a
summer
when
it
might
be
hot
and
there
might
be
more
violence.
I
was
in
discussion
with
some
of
the
other
folks
who
are
of
concern
here
about
how
we
needed
to
have
a
united
front,
the
city,
the
da's
office,
the
police
department
needed
to
have
a
united
front
in
our
efforts.
N
N
You
know
they
can't
publicly
be
engaged
on
things,
but
they
can
be
engaged
behind
the
scenes.
I'm
talking
about
bureau
of
alcohol
tobacco
farms.
I
know
there
are
different
political
dynamics
and
perspectives,
but
we
are
in
a
crisis
and
the
casting
blame
and
dispersion
of
others.
Let
them
do
that.
I
just
hope
that
going
forward
that
you're
willing
to
bring
people
together
both
in
a
private
way
in
a
public
way
about
addressing
these
issues,.
I
I
understand
what
you're
saying
you
know.
The
bottom
line
is
that
we've
enjoyed
a
very
good
relationship
with
the
career
professionals
in
the
us
attorney's
office.
We
are
enjoying
at
this
time
a
very
good
relationship
with
the
attorney
general's
office
in
our
gun,
violence
task
force,
which
has
existed
for
13
years.
All
of
those
entities,
including
atf,
including
fbi,
including
probation
department,
etc,
are
included
in
the
shooting
calls
that
have
been
organized
by
the
ppd,
which
we
believe
are
a
very,
very
positive
step.
I
It
wasn't
that
long
ago,
our
office
sent
35
gun
cases
down
to
the
attorney's
office
and
said:
please
take
these.
You
know
we
work.
We
work
with
both
the
ag
and
the
us
attorney's
office
on
investigations,
federal
law
enforcement.
More
significantly
on
investigations
very
intensified.
We
have
some
that
have
been
going
on
for
a
very
long
time
and
we
value
those
relationships.
I
think
the
media
is
much
more
excited
about
reporting
statements
that
are
sensational
or
that
are
politically
motivated.
I
N
Sorry
district
attorney,
I
hate
to
jump
in,
but
when
you
say
there
are
moments,
I
think
that's
part
of
this
issue
when
you
say
there
are
moments
to
talk
about
institutional
issues,
and
I
understand
all
that
being
an
african-american
man
who
has
a
son
who
is
lived
in
this
city
of
philadelphia.
But
the
moment
that
we
have
is
a
gun
public
health
crisis.
Those
institutional
moments
will
have
to
be
at
a
different
time.
N
I'm
asking
you
to
put
aside
some
of
those
perspectives
and
I
understand
your
office
has
good
relationships
with
career
prosecutors,
career
agents
in
these
various
agencies.
But
I'm
asking
you
and
leadership
of
those
organizations,
the
bill,
mcs
wayne's
and
the
josh
shapiro's
and
others,
and
let's
put
aside
the
language
and
the
rhetoric
and
let's
work
together.
I
N
Dale
newson
inquires,
sometimes
it's
we
have
to
take
the
high
road
to
address
this
issue
and
I'm
I'm
calling
myself
in
that
same
perspective,
but
I
hope
for
going
forward.
I
would
see
that
coming
from
your
office,
if
those
are
choosing
not
to,
I
just
hope
that
you
take
the
high
road
and
then
we
can
call
out
those
who
are
not
doing
the
same
thing
that
you're
doing
going
forward.
B
Thank
you
very
much
district
attorney,
larry
krasner
and
also
for
the
record
councilman,
derek
green.
I
did
reach
out
to
the
attorney
general's
office.
Josh
shapiro
participate
in
this
hearing
because
we
are
in
a
gun
crisis
here
in
the
city
of
philadelphia
and
they
officially
declined
to
participate.
So
thank
you
district
attorney,
ladies
and
gentlemen,
for
being
here
and
participating.
Thank
you
very.
J
Thank
you
good
morning,
okay,
while
I
wait
for
kevin
to
get
our
slide
deck
up,
I
have
submitted
written
testimony,
but
I
am
going
to
refer
to
our
slide
deck
for
a
high
level
overview
good
morning,
council
members,
johnson
and
jones
co-chairs
of
the
special
committee
on
gun,
violence
prevention.
My
name
is
danielle
outlaw
and
I'm
the
philadelphia
police
commissioner
and
I.
F
J
First
deputy
commissioner
coulter,
who
is
over
organizational
services
assistant
director,
tanda
love
balsana,
who
is
with
the
office
of
foreign
science,
or
for
a
lot
of
folks
refer
to
our
crime,
lab
staff.
Inspector
fran
healy
is
also
with
us.
He
serves
as
my
one
of
my
policy
advisors
and
also
on
the
call
with
us
is
chief
strategy
officer.
Miss
blake
norton
next
slide.
Please
I've
shared
this
slide
before
and
I'll
say.
Unfortunately,
each
time
I
report
out
on
this,
the
percentages
appear
to
go
up.
J
J
I
share
this
not
to
I
think
it's
important
to
benchmark.
I
don't
share
this
to
be
dismissive
against
what
we're
experiencing
here,
but
we
are
working
our
way
up
and
that's
not
something
that
we
should
be
proud
of.
Currently,
the
city
of
philadelphia
now
ranks
number
two
in
total
homicides
across
the
country
behind
chicago,
with
247
total
homicides
as
of
july
26th.
J
We
all
know
that
we
are
not
the
only
ones
the
only
major
cities
that
are
experiencing
this,
but
overall
philadelphia,
rents,
number
11
in
year-to-date
changes,
percentages
and
changes
in
our
homicides.
We
also
know
that,
as
of
2018,
our
poverty
rate
rents
number
three
with
about
a
quarter
of
our
popular
population
living
below
the
poverty
line.
J
Next
slide,
please
I've
often
been
asked.
You
know,
what's
been
the
impact
of
it.
19
on
grand
virus,
there's
been
quite
a
few
things
when
you
at
the
60
days
before
the
pandemic,
officially
and
the
60
days
after
we've
seen
that
our
shootings
have
increased
by
31
and
our
gun
still
continue
to
be
consistent.
J
Averaging
about
77
guns
per
week
compared
to
80
guns
per
week
in
the
previous
year.
So
again,
the
gun
violence
appears
to
be
a
continuation
of
a
multi-year
trend.
It's
not
indirectly,
driven
by
the
pandemic,
however,
dependent
has
impeded
our
ability
to
fully
implement
all
aspects
of
our
action
plan,
and
that's
because
we
know
that
the
majority
of
our
job
relies
heavily
upon
social
interaction.
J
Social
interaction
is
necessary
for
all
aspects,
including
community
engagement
and
inclusion.
Our
community
meetings,
our
youth
activities,
but
what
we're
also
hearing
a
lot
is,
we
need
to
connect
continue
to
connect
with
our
young
people,
and
the
covet
19
pandemic
really
has
had
a
serious
impact
on
that
next
slide.
J
J
We
don't
necessarily
have
less
officers,
but
we've
had
to
redeploy
a
lot
of
our
officers
based
on
making
sure
that
we're
safe
and
we
are
ensuring
the
community
is
safe
by
lessening
the
potential
for
our
impact.
As
an
example,
we
know
that
covet
19
heavily
impacted
our
narcotics
operations
because
of
the
pandemic.
J
We
know
that
our
narcotics
enforcement
was
limited
and
really
confined
and
our
efforts
were
significantly
curtailed
and
we
believe
that
that
led
to
a
sense
of
impunity
regarding
the
operative
operators
of
the
narcotics
markets
and
an
increase
in
the
gun.
Violence
in
the
areas
notorious
for
narcotics
sales,
we
had
to
reassign
place
called
plainclothes
narcotics
officers
to
uniform
duties,
and
we
also
saw
in
between
all
of
this
that
for
a
short
period
of
time,
we
had
to
redeploy
our
officers
to
address
civil
unrest.
J
However,
we've
recently
been
able
to
reassign
our
plainclothes
officers
back
into
their
narcotics
enforcement
details
and
the
result
has
been
pretty
impressive
from
towards
the
end
of
july.
To
early
august,
our
narcotics
units
has
seized
illegal
drugs,
valued
at
close
to
450
recovered
over
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
in
cash,
seized,
17
firearms
and
made
240
arrests
from
just
one
initiative.
J
So
you
can
see
that
there's
an
obvious
impact
diverting
the
officers
from
the
covet
19
crisis,
but
when
we're
able
to
put
resources
in
the
places
that
we
need
them
to
be
and
to
keep
them
there,
it
certainly
has
an
impact
next
one
a
lot
of
these
course.
This
question
has
been
answered
by
a
lot
of
things
already
said
on
here:
what's
driving
gun
violence,
we've
talked
about
some
of
the
social
determinants
already,
but
one
I
think
it's
really
important
to
point
out
is
the
case
law
of
commonwealth
versus
hicks.
J
Some
folks
may
know
this,
but
there's
case
law
limiting
our
ability
to
stop
persons
observe
carrying
firearms,
and
in
this
case
the
court
held
that
the
mere
possession
of
a
firearm,
even
if
a
concealed
firearm,
does
not
provide
reasonable
suspicion
to
perform
an
investigation
in
an
investigative
detention.
So,
while
a
lot
of
folks
may
say,
look,
we
know
that
person
has
a
gun,
go
talk
to
him,
go
stop
and
go
search.
Them
see
it's
right
there.
J
It
doesn't
necessarily
mean
that
we
have
automatic,
reasonable
suspicion
to
stop
them
and
to
ask
further
questions,
but
that
doesn't
mean
that
we
are
going
to
stop
our
efforts
in
getting
illegal
guns
off
the
street.
I
also
shared
again
in
the
previous
slide
that
we
are
averaging
about
77
guns
a
week.
So
it's
not
just
pd.
Are
you
getting
guys
off
the
street?
It's?
J
Yes,
we
are
going
to
continue
our
efforts
in
that
in
those
areas,
but
we
also
need
to
look
at
collectively,
what's
being
done
to
stop
the
flow
of
legal
guns
falling
into
the
hands
of
those
who
are
using
them
illegally
barrel,
reductions
for
violent
crime
and
queer
defenders.
I
mean
we,
I
think
we
can
beat
this
one
into
the
ground,
and
I've
said
this
before
I'm
not
talking
out
of
both
sides
of
my
neck.
This
is
not
you
know.
Solutions
are
not
in
either
or
it's
an
and
some
people
do
need
services.
J
Some
people
do
need
jobs.
Some
people
also
need
stiff
consequences
to
be
deterred
from
going
out
here
and
repeatedly
committing
these
types
of
crimes,
and
some
folks
are
just
dangerous
people.
We
are
seeing
challenges
around
battle,
reductions
for
violent
crime
and
pre-defenders,
something
that
we
are
in
constant
communication
with
the
da's
office
and
others
about
as
well,
and
I
talked
about
how,
for
quite
some
time,
protests
and
first
amendment
activities
strain
the
resources
available
for
addressing
crime.
J
We
are
seeing
existing
beefs
between
individuals
and
we
say
persons
with
poor
conflict
resolution
skills
because
we're
seeing
folks
in
involved
in
social
media
beefs
because
of
they.
You
know
they
felt
disrespected
in
person
or
you
know,
because
of
lyrics
of
a
song
or
whatever
it
is,
and
instead
of
going
out
and
handling
and
mediating
these
conflicts
in
different
ways.
J
J
I
gave
you
the
background
where
we
are
well.
What
are
we
going
to
do
about
it?
What's
the
police
department
going
to
do
about
it?
We
released
this
plan
back
in
june,
actually
was
ready
a
little
bit
before
that
or
actually
some
time
before
that,
and
we
found
ourselves
dealing
with
protests
and
civil
unrest
and
it
got
delayed.
J
But
this
plan
was
released
in
june
and
it's
a
holistic
and
collaborative
approach
to
adjusting
by
the
crime
and
initially
I
think
people
were
expecting
solely
the
tactical
piece-
we're
going
to
have
cops
on
dots
here
and
we're
going
to
continue
during
these
hours
to
make
sure
that
we
are
deploying
when
the
highest
calls
for
service
are
occurring
and
in
those
areas
using
data
so
on
and
so
forth.
That's
only
a
part
of
it.
J
I
think
we
all
recognize
that
I
was
hired
to
not
only
address
crime
but
other
issues
internally
as
well,
and
so
in
order
to
you
know-
and
this
kind
of
reminds
me
of
the
conversation
that
was
happening
we
were
having
earlier
or
I
was
hearing
about,
relationship
building
and
garnering
trust.
We
talk
about
communities
but
there's
also
an
internal
community
as
well,
and
it's
those
officers
who
are
out
here
being
challenged
by
being
asked
to
do
this
work
and
making
sure
that
they
have
the
proper
resources
and
they're
prepared
holistically.
J
So
this
finance
reduction
plan
is
a
collaborative
but
a
comprehensive
approach,
approach
that
focuses
on
not
only
the
crime
prevention
piece,
but
community
engagement
and
inclusion.
The
internal
piece
of
organizational
excellence,
making
sure
that
we're
doing
everything
that
we
can
to
perform
at
our
peak,
focusing
on
time,
resources,
people,
equipment,
training,
employee
health
and
well-being
and
then
also
social
justice
reforms,
all
the
things
that
are
needed
to
make
sure
that
we're
seen
as
legitimate
in
the
eyes
of
the
community,
both
internally
and
externally.
So
we
can
execute
execute
this
plan
next
slide.
Please.
J
J
We
had
to
as
a
result
of
the
33
million
cut,
we
had
to
cut
back
on
a
lot
of
our
crime
beats
that
were
utilized
on
an
overtime
basis
to
supplement
coverage.
Those
are
no
longer
available
and
in
addition
to
that,
that
33
million
dollars
equates
to
about
200
officers
that
we
won't
see
hitting
the
street
because
of
the
the
two
classes
that
were
cut,
given
that
our
academy
has
been
reduced
because
of
these
budget
cuts.
J
What
that
means
is
you
know,
we're
hearing
a
lot
of
calls
for,
and
I
agree
it's
actually
actually
needed.
We
not
only
need
visibility.
It's
one
thing
to
say:
we
need
a
cop
on
every
block
and
you
know
being
out
there,
the
other
night
after
being
out
there,
the
night
of
the
shooting
they're
being
out
there.
The
other
night
on
north
simpson-
and
you
know
having
a
lot
of
the
same
conversations
that
council
jones
had
you
know
the
residents
out.
There
made
it
very
clear
that
when
you
were
here
police
department,
everything
was
amazing.
J
J
So
so
that's
that's
critical
being
able
to
recruit
as
we're
seeing
a
lot
of
people
retire
and
a
trip
we're
gonna
have
to
keep
the
numbers
continuously
flowing.
A
lot
of
folks
are
calling
for
diversity
amongst
our
recruits,
but
also
within
our
police
department,
to
enhance
the
trust
between
the
police
department
and
the
community.
In
order
to
do
that,
we
have
to
have
bodies,
we
have
to
be
able
to
recruit
officers
in
here.
J
We've
also
made
adjustments
because
of
the
the
fy
21
impact.
We've
had
to
make
adjustments,
we've
put
administrative
personnel,
we've
redeployed
them
into
hotspot
areas,
for
example
our
neighborhood
services
unit,
which
normally
removes
abandoned
cars
from
streets.
That's
sent
to
patrol
districts
experiencing
high
levels
of
gun
violence.
J
So
when
we
are
redeploying
resources
from
other
areas,
when
we
give
them
the
benefit
of
focusing
on
very
specific
missions
and
details
within
specific
areas,
and
we
move
them
elsewhere,
we
do
that
at
the
risk
of
losing
any
traction
that
we
may
have
gained
over
time.
With
all
of
that
said,
our
performance
goals
remain
unchanged.
J
You
know
this
has
been
done.
The
new
operating
model
that
incorporates
weekly
interagency
shooting
reviews
that
was
referenced
by
the
d.a
comstat
and
quarterly
district
strategies
by
the
end
of
2020.
we've
been
doing
weekly,
shooting
reviews
for
the
last
few
months.
Now,
what
makes
this
important?
It
goes
back
to
councilman
jones
question
about
the
level
of
collaboration
sharing
of
information
and
no
longer
working
in
silos,
and
this
just
isn't
at
the
local
level,
between
the
da's
office
and
the
police
department.
This
is
that
the
state
and
the
local
state
and
federal
levels.
J
It's
also
making
sure
that
we're
sharing
this
information
with
our
partners,
septa
housing
authority,
our
universities,
because
there's
a
lot
of
overlap
between
the
areas
of
their
jurisdictions,
schools,
the
areas
of
their
jurisdictions
and
ours
and
making
sure
that
they
also
have
the
same
information.
So
we're
communicating
in
real
time
and
having
clear,
actionable
actionable
deliverables
when
we
leave
these
meetings
is
critical
and
also
ensuring
that
there's
real-time
communication
with
federal
prosecution,
federal
prosecutors,
u.s
attorneys,
are
also
on
the
call
to
say
look.
We
are
recommending
that
this
case
goes
federal
again.
J
J
right
now.
I
think
we
have
one
per
district.
We
got
to
go
back
to
what
we
know
worked,
but
we
also,
although
this
is
a
performance
goal,
and
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
expand
our
our
pinpoint
areas
to
having
40
or
more
by
the
end
of
the
year.
We
also
have
to
be
realistic
and
determine
whether
or
not
that's
something
that's
feasible
with
the
resources
that
we
have,
including
analysts
right
now,
there's
been
a
hiring
freeze.
J
J
The
pandemic
hit
case,
load
increased
and
we're
seeing
us
we're
hovering
at
around
50
now,
but
here's
here's
what's
most
concerning
it's
all
concerning,
but
here's
what's
most
concerning
right
now
our
non-fatal
shooting
victim
clearance
rate
is
except,
is
exceptionally
low.
So
it
might
appear
that
our
target
percentage
is
low
at
30
percent.
J
But
I
think
if
we
get
there
and
show
that
we
are
focusing
on
not
just
homicides
but
all
shootings
in
the
way
that
we
are
with
these
shooting
reviews,
we'll
see
some
some
success,
city-wide
also,
and
then.
Lastly,
we
want
to
increase
the
referrals
of
high-risk
individuals
to
the
office
of
violence
prediction
by
50
by
the
end
of
2021,
and
that's
where
gdi
comes
in.
We
know
when
we're
reviewing
these
shootings
going
back
to
our
previous
question.
We
know
who
are
repeat
offenders.
J
We
know
who's
most.
We
believe
we
know
based
what
we
have
in
most
cases,
who's
most
at
risk
of
becoming
a
victim
or
a
victim
of
retaliatory
shooting
and
then
personally,
after
we
respond
to
a
lot
of
these
shootings,
I've
seen
it
we've
seen
it
many
community
members
come
up
to
me
and
come
up
to
my
personnel
and
say
look.
This
is
the
third
time
this
person
has
been
shot
at
he's,
not
gonna
make
it
through
the
summer.
J
Please
an
example
of
what's
been
done
thus
far.
This
is
an
example
here.
The
southwest
task
force
we're
we're
getting
beat
up
pretty
badly
there.
We
put
together
a
task
force,
that's
comprised
of
one
detective,
one
narcotics
officer
and
officers
from
the
four
districts
within
the
southwest
and
also
personnel
from
the
atf
and
the
fbi.
Again,
I
can't
stress
enough
how
important
it
is.
You
know
some
folks
walked
away
and
all
they
heard
was
collaboration
when
this
plan
was
announced.
J
But
collaboration
is
key
because
we
have
to
be
able
to
work
with
our
partners,
our
federal
partners,
who
might
also
bring
us
resources
that
we
don't
necessarily
have,
in
addition
to
being
able
to
prosecute
at
the
federal
level,
it's
important
to
bring
folks
like
the
atf,
the
fbi,
the
dea,
in
because
we
also
know
that
a
lot
of
these
cases
aren't
solely
driven
in
philadelphia.
A
lot
of
these
cross
state
lines,
they're
a
lot
larger
than
one
simple
case
in
philadelphia,
and
once
you
cross
state
lines
and
we're
starting
to
un.
J
You
know
peel
back
some
of
the
layers
of
this
onion.
We
see
that
it's
a
lot
larger
and
much
more
complex
than
just
one
individual
or
one
group
in
philadelphia.
So
if
we
can
get
the
entire
organization
for
those
that
are
organized,
our
federal
partners
are
the
ones
to
help
us
get
that
and
again
we're
focusing
on
the
very
small
percentage
of
individuals
and
groups
responsible
for
the
largest
portion
of
the
vitas
that
we're
seeing
here
reference
before
operation
pinpoint
is
our
operational
strategy.
J
Here
are
very
important
when
I
got
here,
there
was
a
lot
of
emphasis
around.
What's
your
plan
for
the
summer,
what's
your
plan
for
the
summer,
you
have
to
have
a
plan
for
the
summer,
obviously,
because
historically,
crime
has
gone
up
then,
but
the
problem
is:
is
that
you,
if
you
only
focus
on
the
summer,
we're
not
sustaining
any
efforts?
J
J
In
that
there's,
a
lot
of
communication
had
the
sheriff's
office
is
on
the
call,
if
there's
someone
in
custody
or
should
be
in
custody
or
if
we
need
jail,
call
screen
or
if
we
need
someone
with
an
ankle,
monitor
placed
on
them
or
if
we
need
to
do
an
overlay
of
someone
that
has
an
ankle
monitor
and
we
need
to
see
if
that
person
was
in
the
area
of
a
recent
shooting.
All
of
those
resources
are
on
the
call
at
the
same
time,
in
real
time
next
slide.
J
B
B
Importantly
talking
to
victims
and
cold
victims,
predominantly
mothers
have
lost
their
loved
ones.
Thank
you
for
showing
up
my
community
the
other
evening
around
11
12,
maybe
one
o'clock
in
the
morning
on
napa
street,
where
it
was
a
shooting.
So
this
one
thank
you
for
being
on
the
ground,
I'm
addressing
this
issue,
and
so
I
want
to
start
off
by
ask
councilmember
got
here
to
begin
allowing
the
question
next
up
is
councilwoman
helen.
F
Thank
you
good
morning,
everyone.
First
and
foremost,
I
want
to
thank
all
of
the
folks
joining
us
to
testify
today
and
thank
council
member
johnson
for
organizing
today's
hearing
gun
violence
is
impacting
our
city
and
our
country,
like
we
haven't
seen
in
decades
in
my
district,
it's
a
daily
occurrence
at
this
point.
F
F
Last
week,
two
kids
under
the
age
of
10
got
shot
in
west
philly
and
one
of
them
died.
This
isn't
normal.
This
is
traumatic
and
it
has
instilled
fear
and
far
too
many
residents
in
the
third
district
when
a
child
isn't
even
safe
playing
with
his
family's
front
porch,
we
have
more
than
one
epidemic
on
our
hands.
This
situation
is
more
than
an
emergency.
It's
a
catastrophe,
and
I
hope
that
all
of
you
here
testifying
today
appreciate
that
my
constituents
and
I
want
to
see
the
city
treat
this
issue
with
the
urgency
it
deserves.
F
Equity
is
top
of
mind
for
me
and
my
work
every
day,
and
I
know
it's
important
to
mayor
kenny
and
to
all
of
you
as
well,
but
black
and
brown
people
in
our
city
can't
have
equity
when
we
are
dodging
bullets
where
we
live,
I
want
to
be
a
partner
in
this
work
with
all
of
you.
I
truly
do,
but
I'm
tired,
I'm
tired
of
the
death,
I'm
tired
of
this
being
the
reason
that
west
philly
is
in
the
news.
F
J
J
I
will
tell
you
that
having
everyone
in
the
room
unless
you've
worked
in
this
world
for
quite
some
time,
it's
very
difficult
to
get
everyone
at
the
table
at
the
same
time,
one,
but
two,
we
kind
of
heard
a
little
bit
of
it
earlier.
Another
potential
challenge.
Unfortunately,
we
don't
see
as
much
of
it,
but
another
potential
challenge
is
this.
I
have
my
vision
for
the
department.
I
set
my
performance
goals
for
what
we
would
like
to
do.
J
Just
because
I
said
my
priorities
does
not
mean
that
those
are
the
priorities
of
my
counterparts
right,
so
I
have
to
communicate
those
priorities
and
pretty
much
hope
that
they're
also
aligned
and
share
the
same
priorities.
I
would
say
that
it's
it's
when
I
say
it's
been
successful
in
that
sense:
it's
because
they
still
keep
coming.
They
keep
showing
up
to
the
meetings,
they're
very
lengthy
they're,
open
to
hearing
feedback
and
somewhat
criticism.
J
If
we
provide
it
when
we
question
why
something
wasn't
there
when
we
think
maybe
it
should
have
been
or
if
someone
got
out
of
jail
when
we
think
that
they
shouldn't
have
been
that
dialogue
is
happening
and
it
was
not
happening
before
and
we're
seeing
immediate
follow-up
on
a
lot
of
the
deliverables
that
come
out
of
these
meetings.
When
we're
asking
pha
for
a
specific
ask,
we
follow
up
that
following
week
and
say:
okay,
what
happened
with
that?
J
K
Yeah
I'll
try
as
best
I
can
to
answer
that
question.
So
we
talk
about
shootings,
but
shootings
are
the
apex
of
crime,
the
most
horrendous,
horrendous
apex
of
crime
right,
but
there's
a
road
to
that
right.
There
are
crimes
that
lead
up
to
that,
actually,
the
mo
of
shootings,
for
instance,
sterling
vehicles.
We
know
that
a
number
of
our
shootings
were
committed
by
vehicles
that
were
stolen
right.
K
We
also
know
that
people
who
would
shoot
also
use
drug
cells
to
fund
themselves
right
to
sustain
themselves,
so
our
possession
would
intend
to
deliver
is
another
crime,
that's
in
line
and
in
the
direction
of
shootings.
We
also
know.
Obviously
carrying
guns
is
the
equipment
that's
used
to
commit
these
crimes
right
and
so
the
shooting
review
meetings.
We
utilize
that
to
address
these,
what
we
call
non-violent
offenses
to
actually
try
to
mitigate
and
stop
and
interfere
with
what
we
know.
K
Gonna
eventually
result
in
violence
right,
and
so,
when
the
commissioner
talks
about
collaboration,
these
things
were
not
discussed
before
right
as
a
whole
holistically.
They
were
not
discussed,
but
now
we
know
that
if
a
person
is
court
selling-
narcotics,
for
instance,
that
we've
had
up
to
gentlemen
with
up
to
six
possession
with
intent
to
deliver
which
are
felonies,
six
open
cases
walking
around
on
the
streets
of
philadelphia
right
now
that
we're
information
sharing
with
the
da's
office
with
our
partners.
K
Actually
we
will
the
chances
of
us
catching
them
actually
in
an
act
of
shooting
that
takes
time
right
and
we
typically
don't
catch
them
in
active
shooting,
but
we
will
catch
them
in
a
stolen
car.
We
will
catch
them
with
selling
drugs.
We
will
catch
them
with
a
gun
also
to
our
guns
right.
We
know
now
that
we
have
to
even
though
the
commissioner
itemized
commonwealth
versus
hicks,
which
is
an
impediment
to
us.
Stopping
these
young
men,
but
she
also
identified
that
we're
still
even
with
that
impediment
getting
a
number
of
guns.
K
What
has
to
happen
is
a
total
education
between
all
of
our
partners
that
these
things
have
to
be
taken
seriously,
because
if
we
can
stop,
if
we
can
totally
mitigate
these
less
non-violent
offenses,
we
can
have
a
heavy
impact
on
the
violent
offenses.
So
one
of
the
things
that's
happening
during
the
shooting
review
meetings
with
all
our
partners
is
that
we're
reviewing
painstakingly
reviewing
every
shooting
with
our
partners,
sometimes
there's
a
referral
to
the
us
attorney's
office.
K
Sometimes
it's
a
joint
mission
between
our
alcohol,
tobacco
and
firearms,
our
bni
or
other
state
and
local
partners.
Sometimes
it's
merely
making
sure
that
we
know
that
mel
singleton,
for
instance,
is
someone
that
is
has
been
shot
multiple
times
he's
uncooperating
with
us
and
the
probation
he's
on
probation,
and
so
we
reach
out
to
our
probation
officer
folks
to
make
sure
that
they
understand
that
he
either
needs
to
cooperate
with
us
or
face
the
possibility
of
having
his
probation
violated
those
types
of
things.
K
So
we're
getting
high
bill,
we're
getting
we're
attacking
from
these
lower
these
lower
hanging
fruit
to
get
to
the
apex
of
what
is
the
violence,
and
so
what
the
commissioner
is
talking
about.
What's
very
important
and
what
was
not
in
philadelphia
is
having
all
these
partners
at
the
table
to
try
to
address
these
folks
on
the
smallest
of
levels
to
try
to
mitigate
and
stop
the
most
violent
things
that
it's
going
to
eventually
come
to.
So
the
matrix
that
we
want.
K
The
matrix
that
we
are
using
and
we're
going
to
be
using
is
obviously
the
the
improvement
of
the
collaboration
between
all
of
us,
which
we're
getting
there
right
to
the
commission.
Point
we're
constantly
at
the
table.
They
have
not
stopped
coming
to
the
table;
they
have
not
gotten
bored
with
us.
Thank
goodness
also
too
making
sure
that
we
are
mitigating
taking
off.
How
are
we
targeting
these
folks
that
we
know
are
eventual
shooters
or
most
likely
to
be
shot
right
and
we're
doing
it
we're
identifying
folks?
K
In
fact,
we
have
identified
most
of
the
folks
that
are
recommended
to
our
group.
Violence
in
our
intervention
program
is
coming
out
of
the
shooting
review
meetings,
so
that's
happening,
but
then
also
too
eventually,
we
hope
and
we
should
have
an
impact
on
the
violent
crime
we
have
the
we
have
our
folks
identified.
We
know
who
our
players
are
for
lack
of
a
better
term
and
we
are
targeting
them
in
every
way
that
we
can.
The
group,
violence
and
interdiction
program
intervention
program
allows
us
to
do
things
like
message.
K
Groups
right
also
offer
alternatives
to
the
lifestyle
that
they're
currently
living.
So
I
think
that
the
shooting
review
meetings
are
tremendous
and
doing
this
now
we
haven't
been
doing
it
long
enough
to
see
it
to
see
an
impact
we
have
to
do
more.
We
have
to
keep
plugging
away
at
this
program
and
it
actually
has-
and
we
are-
we
have
actually
everything
that
I
suggested
we've
actually
done
and
had
young
men.
Everything
from
young
men
who
have
been
arrested
for
guns
got
out
on
the
street,
made
bell
right.
K
F
Respectfully,
you
know
over
a
thousand
people
have
been
shot
here
right.
So
that's
a
that's
a
crisis
and
in
a
crisis
situation
in
my
mind,
we
need
to
have
a
clear
strategy
and
we
need
to
have
a
clear
way
of
measuring
our
strategy.
If
the
shooting
reviews,
if
we're
saying
that's
a
piece
of
our
strategy,
then
we
need
to
have
metrics
beyond
we're
generating
dialogue
amongst
departments.
F
K
So
I
don't
have
an
exact
number
for
you,
but
I
can
get
that
number
for
you
in
terms
of
the
exact
number
there's
two
things:
two
pipelines
into
the
gbr
program,
one
that
was
a
group
audit
done
conducted
by
john
j
university.
So
that
was
a
pipeline
and
then
the
shooting
reviews
are
a
pipeline
into
the
gvi
program.
And
so
I
can
get
that
number
for
you.
But
I
don't
have
it
in
front
of
me.
J
J
The
problem
is
that
when
we
let
our
foot
up
off
the
gas,
for
example
like
on
the
simpson
and
in
other
areas,
because
we
are
either
chasing
the
radio
or
don't
have
the
resources
to
maintain
that,
I
think
that's
the
real
question,
that's
the
real
question:
what
do
you
do
what
what
happens
when
we
don't
have
the
resources
to
stay
where
we've
been
or
to
expand?
So
I
think
the
sense
of
urgency
is
there.
You
share
your
sense
of
urgency
and
our
performance
goals.
F
As
a
follow-up,
I'd
love
to
know
about
the
specific
ways,
we
will
measure
the
effectiveness
of
the
shooting
reviews.
I
think
we
have
to
be
clear
with
the
public
about
how
we're
measuring
the
effectiveness
of
our
strategy,
keeping
with
the
theme
of
intelligence,
your
crime,
prevention
and
violence
reduction
strategy
recommends
surgical
policing
through
intel
and
data
analysis,
and
calls
for
responding
to
crime
and
violence
with
intelligence-led
policing
to
accomplish
the
police
department's
mission
without
alienating
the
communities
you
serve.
F
This
recommendation
calls
for
external
evaluations
of
key
police
department
initiatives
like
gvi
and
requires
filling
33
open
civilian
intelligence,
analyst
positions:
how
quickly
can
you
fill
these
positions
and
if
the
positions
cannot
be
filled
due
to
a
city,
hiring
freeze?
How
will
you
implement
this
initiative.
J
J
M
Thank
you.
Yes,
commissioner,
I
am
on
the
call
we
are
working
with
hr
and
we've
had
discussions
to
make
sure
that
we're
getting
they're
critical
civilian
positions
they'll
bring
a
lot
to
the
table
and
it's
really
the
only
way
not
to
speak
to
the
roadmap,
but
to
speak
to
pinpoint
it
is
the
best
route
to
be
able
to
expand
our
pinpoint
into
multiple
districts
and
multiple
sites
within
districts.
So
they
are
critical.
We
certainly
make
it
a
priority.
B
E
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman,
and
I
want
to
say
good
morning
to
everybody
and
to
the
broader
public.
I
want
to
thank
the
chairman
for
working
very
quickly
to
address
the
issue
of
gun
violence.
I
think
all
of
us
are
here
and
deeply
committed
in
part
because
of
what
has
happened
happening
right
now
to
philadelphia's
children,
102
young
people
shot.
E
You
know,
tragedies
like
sumar
jones,
horrifying
us
on
a
regular
basis.
I
want
to
thank
commissioner
outlaw
deputy
commissioner
singleton,
and
so
many
others
within
the
police
department,
for
your
care
and
love
for
these
young
children
right
now,
and
I
think
most
as
chair
for
children
and
youth.
More
of
my
questions
are
going
to
focus
in
on
what
we
are
doing
to
actually
think
about
expanding
our
resources
in
this
area.
I
know
you
have
a
partnership
table
that
should
include
the
school
district
of
philadelphia.
E
We
haven't
been
able
to
make
those
connections
quite
as
well.
So
I'm
curious
about
what
the
police
department
is
doing
right
now
to
work
with
the
school
district
of
philadelphia
to
support
young
people,
especially
systems,
especially
some
of
our
system
involved
youth
and
what
kind
of
conversations
you're
having
with
them.
J
Thank
you
for
that
question.
I'm
going
to
turn
that
over
to
commissioner
dales,
and
I
would
even
say
I
would
add
to
that.
You
know
especially
given
that
we're
in
a
pandemic.
How
are
we
interacting
with
our
young
people
when
that
school
is
out
what
that
looks
like
what
we've
done
during
the
summer
to
partner
with
those
who
are
responsible
for
programming?
So,
commissioner,
dales,
do
you
mind
chiming
in
on
that.
D
Yes,
good
morning,
so
some
of
the
things
that
we
are
doing,
we
are
working
with
the
school
district.
Former
deputy
commissioner
kevin
bethel
we're
all
working
hand-in-hand
with
them.
We
are
still
focusing
on
our
diversion
program
with
the
youth,
where
they
also
coordinate
with
dhs
and
district
attorney's
office
and
other
resources
to
help
put
these
kids
back
on
the
right
track.
D
D
At
this
point,
that's
still
up
and
running,
we
are
going
to
continue
to
run
our
deer
and
break
programs
which
will
be
held
virtually
they
do
the
fact
that
we
have
virtual
learning
for
the
during
the
school
year
moving
forward,
but
these
are
some
of
the
things
that
we
are
doing
with
the
youth.
We
are
also
focusing
on
putting
together
a
youth
on
board
in
place
in
each
division.
D
So
far,
we're
going
to
put
one
in
each
region-
rock
south
and
rock
north,
starting
with
probably
the
17th
or
the
second
district,
but
we're
working
on
that
as
well.
We
need
to
have
the
voices
heard
from
the
youth
and
the
community,
because
you
know
that
the
kids,
they
know
a
lot.
They
experience
a
lot
and
we
need
to
know
what
do
they
need.
How
can
we
help
them?
D
What
do
we
need
to
do
on
our
end
to
engage
with
the
youth,
because
that
is
one
of
our
weakest
areas
as
far
as
the
youth-
and
we
all
know
on
this
on
joining
I'm
hearing
here-
that
a
lot
of
youth,
don't
trust
the
police
and
we're
trying
to
bridge
that
gap.
So
those
these
are
some
of
the
things
that
we
are
doing
and
we're
going
to
continue
to
focus
on
moving
forward,
and
that
is
part
of
the
commission's
plan
as
far
as
creating
a
youth
commission
on
youth
commissioning.
E
Thank
you
very
much,
and
I
didn't
mean
for
you
to
run
through
a
list
of
all
the
programs
that
the
police
department
does
with
youth.
I
know
you
do
a
number
of
different
programs
with
you.
I
think
part
of
my
conversation
right
now
is
to
ask
whether
there
is
we
are
talking
about
new
forms
of
relationships
and
partnering
we're
also
talking
about
expanding
into
areas
where
we
have
struggled
right
now.
Has
there
been
you
know,
I
I
go
back
and
forth
with
kevin
bethel.
E
I
think
he
is
an
enormous
asset
to
the
school
district
of
philadelphia.
I
think
he's
an
enormous
asset
to
the
city
and,
I'm
sure
he's
a
great
partner
with
the
police
department.
I
am
curious,
though,
that
this
philadelphia
school
police
division,
which
is
being
restructured
and
repurposed,
is
a
31
million
dollar
entity
within
the
school
district
of
philadelphia.
E
They
are
trained
in
de-escalate.
They
should
be
trained
in
de-escalation
reserve
justice
practices,
mentoring.
When
we
talk
about
violence
interrupters,
there
are
384
school
police
who
are
not
currently
online
right
now,
who
could
be
partners
with
the
police
department
and
I'm
curious
about
whether
that
conversation
and
I
will
be
bringing
this
up
with
kevin,
bethel
we're
going
back
and
forth
a
little
bit
because
again,
we
want
to
respect
the
fact
that
they
are
not
the
philadelphia
police
department.
I
do
not
expect
them
to
work
for
you.
E
I
do
not
expect
them
to
become
full-fledged
members.
I
do
not
want
them
to
carry
a
gun.
I
don't
want
them
to
do
investigations,
but
they
are
unique
partners
because
they
have
intense
relationships
with
young
people
in
school.
So
if
a
young
person
is
involved
or
if
a
neighborhood
situation
is
involved,
I'm
you
know.
I
hope
that
you
could
see
those
384
individuals
as
potentially
being
an
asset
to
expand
your
reach,
especially
in
relationships
with
young
people.
D
Yes
and
we
we,
as
a
matter
of
fact,
we
are
in
communication
with
kevin
before
we
have
talked
about
bringing
back
the
monthly
meetings
with
the
school
police
to
talk
about
each
inside
school
as
well
as
outside
schools,
because
we
all
know
these
insulin
occurs
on
the
street
they'll
bring
it
into
the
school
they're.
Actually
encouraging
schools
they'll
bring
it
out
to
decrease.
So
these
are
some
of
the
things
that
we're
going
to
continue
to
forward
we'll
be
talking
about
meeting
monthly,
with
commanders
from
their
respective
districts
to
talk
about
the
issues.
E
Understood,
thank
you
and,
commissioner,
I
know
that
kevin
bethel
has
been
a
really
big
advocate
because
he
has
worked
with
you
about
taking
a
look
at
say:
you
know,
transit
stations
and
other
places
that
are
technically
beyond
the
zone
of
the
direct
school
property.
So
if
that
is
the
case
and
school
is
not
in
session
through
thanksgiving,
and
I
hope
that
there
can
continue
to
be-
and
I
will
I
will
be
having
these
conversations
with
kevin
bethel
and
with
vanessa
garrett
harley
as
well.
That
part
of
this
is
a
collaboration.
E
Not
everybody
can
be
online.
The
school
district
is
a
partner
on
this
effort.
We're
trying
to
save
the
lives
of
children.
The
percent
of
school
staffing
who
are
not
directly
in
the
teaching
mode
do
not
have
to
be
online
right
now,
but
our
key
partners
with
us
in
saving
young
people's
lives
and
mentoring
them
should,
I
hope,
be
seen
for
you
as
a
partnership
effort,
and
we
that
deployment
that
kind
of.
Like
a
you
know,
just
a
rethinking
and
an
expansion
of
our
imaginative
possibilities.
E
We
don't
have
to
rely
on
the
school
police
all
the
time
we
do
have
to
expand
our
reach
with
young
people,
so
I
hope
that
you
know
this
can
be
an
ongoing
conversation
and
I'm
happy
to
be
a
partner
with
you
on
any
of
that
kind
of
thinking
as
well.
Absolutely
my
second
question
and
my
last
one
is
about
one
of
the
things
that
ended
up
on
your
powerpoint
slide,
which
is
that
you
know.
Obviously
we
want
all
of
our
resources
devoted
out
into
our
neighborhoods.
E
This
is
a
key
role
for
us
and
I
know
you
identified
one
of
the
challenges
to
that
as
being
first
amendment,
demonstrations
and
protests
that
are
going
on
right
now,
the
police
department
has
had
a
really
strong
division
that
has
traditionally
dealt
with
first
amendment
protests,
and
that
is
civil
affairs,
and
my
hope
is,
is
that
here,
as
we
approach
middle
of
august,
we
are
not
seeing
demonstrations
as
requiring
a
full-fledged
police
response
that
pulls
people
away
from
neighborhoods.
I
think
civil
affairs
has
long
been
able
to
handle
this.
E
I
think
demonstrations
in
the
last
two
months
in
particular,
and
three
months
in
particular,
have
shown
that
that
you
know
we
are.
They
are
an
exercise
of
first
amendment
rights.
They
are
not
a
danger
or
a
menace
to
the
public,
and
I
think
that
when
those
things
do
happen,
you
know
they
are
unusual
and
we
should
redeploy
and
all
of
that.
E
But
I
just
want
to
make
sure
that
when
you
cite
that
a
challenge
that
you're
facing-
and
I
wasn't
sure
if
you
meant
that
was
like
in
the
spring
or
whether
you
think
that's
a
current
challenge-
right
now-
is
first
amendment
demonstrations.
I
want
to
make
sure
that
we
are
actually
not
having
that
be
a
challenge.
We
should
not
be
pulling
police
officers
from
neighborhoods
and
communities
to
deal
with
first
amendment
we've
got
civil
affairs
for
that.
So
I
wanted
to
see
if
you
could
just
clarify
that
sure.
Thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to.
J
Clarify,
I
would
say
when
we
experience
whenever
we
experience
large
numbers
you're
absolutely
right.
Civil
affairs
is
amazing
when
it
works
with
that
and
in
recent
weeks,
even
though
we've
seen
the
frequency
of
demonstrations
remain
constant,
the
numbers
and
the
increased
frequency
of
numbers
are
down,
but
we're
seeing
peaceful
protest.
J
Their
frequency
is
about
the
same,
so
we
haven't
had
to
deploy
a
lot
of
officers
or
redeploy
them
from
neighborhoods
recently,
which
is
why
I
use
that
as
an
example
in
talking
about
how
narcotics
officers
were
able
to
go
back
at
the
end
of
july
through
a
lot
of
their
details
and
their
enforcement
efforts,
which
they
are
put
together
to
do
so.
Yes
to
clarify
when
we
do
get
intelligence,
for
example,
you
know
there
was
one
particular
saturday.
I
don't
remember
how.
J
Many
weeks
ago
there
was
a
national
call
for
protests
and
demonstration
throughout
the
country,
but
there
was
also
some
information
sent
to
us
that
there
were
some
some,
a
small
handful
of
folks
that
were
intent
on
being
violent
and
in
situations
like
that,
we
do
have
to
make
sure
that
we
are
better
safe
than
sorry
and
we
pre-plan,
and
we
have
numbers
to
deal
with
something
that
may
occur.
We
can
always
scale
back
later,
but
I
will
say
over
the
recent
weeks
absolutely
we
have
not
had
to.
B
B
How
much
savings
have
the
philadelphia
police
department
save
as
it
relates
to
normally
during
this
pandemic?
We
have
a
lot
of
officers
in
my
district
and
at
the
stadiums
patrolling
these
games
right
flyers,
sixers,
eagles
phillies,
now
they're,
making
significant
overtime.
Well,
I'm
assuming
they're
making
significant
overtime
patrolling
down
there,
and
we
also
have
officers
when
we
have
different
shows
taking
place
throughout
the
city
of
philadelphia
and
all
those
have
been
shut
down.
J
The
concerts,
the
festivals,
but
then
we
also
saw
the
tragedy
around
mr
floyd
around
george
floyd,
and
then
we
found
that
even
though
there
was
a
pandemic,
there
were
several
rallies
that
we
had
to
assign
folks
to,
and
so
it
doesn't
necessarily
mean
I
don't
want
to
say
it
balances
out,
because
I
don't
have
the
number
specifically
I'll
ask
christine,
but
we
thought
that
we
would
be
able
to
go
into
the
entire
summer
without
having
to
deal
with
any
of
that.
But
in
fact
we
did
so.
M
I
I
don't
have
a
number
of
the
savings,
but
what
I
could
get
you
is
the
cost
of
the
events
that
happened
last
year
and
give
the
comparison
that
they're
missing
one
of
the
areas
that
we
have
saved
significantly,
not
that
it
works
necessarily
in
our
favor,
is
that
our
officers
have
not
been
in
court
and
that's
also
an
overtime
driver.
So
we've
been
able
to
save
normally
what
we
spend
in
court
each
month,
not
spending
some
of
the
sports
complexes.
M
Although
there
are
some
savings,
some
of
that
is
covered
by
the
professional
teams,
a
majority
investors
there
we
cover
whatever.
We
need
to
supplement
that.
But
the
special
events
that
we
haven't
had
like
the
fourth
of
july
and
upcoming
america
were
very
new
in
fiscal
year
to
start
at
july
1..
So
we
haven't
experienced
many
of
any
of
those
reoccurring
events
yet,
but
as
we
get
to
them,
provided
there's
no
other
crisis,
taking
the
money
that
those
events
normally
cost.
Both
the
police
on
the.
B
Okay,
well,
thank
you
very
much.
I
just
wanted
to
say
and
obviously
looking
for
solutions,
we're
looking
for
recommendations.
You
know
the
eyes
of
the
city
are
looking
at
these
families
to
make
sure
we're
not
just
having
hearing
for
the
sake
of
herrings,
and
so
I'm,
commissioner
daniel
outlaw.
I
thank
you
for
your
presentation.
Most
importantly,
I'm
excited
about
the
gun,
violence,
review
meetings
that
you're
having
I
want
to
follow
what
councilwoman
jamie
gardier
talked
about.
B
I
would
expect
the
same
moving
forward
because
at
the
end
of
the
day,
these
are
children
who
are
dying
in
the
streets
of
philadelphia.
These
are
women
being
shot
and
murdered
in
the
streets
of
philadelphia.
We
have
african-american
men
dying
on
a
daily
daily
basis,
and
so,
when
you
talk
about
collaboration,
I
would
believe
that
all
of
us,
as
council
members
and
city
of
philadelphia,
expect
all
law
enforcement
agencies
to
be
approaching
this
as
such
as
if
it's
their
children
and
me
just
like
the
rest
of
my
counsel.
B
We
still
live
inside
the
neighborhoods,
I'm
gonna
put
it
that
way.
We
still
live
in
the
inner
city
of
philadelphia,
so
bullets
have
no
names,
and
so
we
go
to
and
from
the
corner
store
or
I'm
taking
my
children
to
daycare
and
we
walk
right,
we're
still
subjected
to
the
same
level
of
violence
as
as
a
regular
person
who
is
an
elected
official,
and
so
thank
you
for
your
dedication
and
your
commitment.
B
This
won't
be
our
last
hearing
this
special
meeting,
one
second
chairman
jones,
and
one
last
thing
that
you
talked
about
and
I'm
excited
about.
We
saw
this
at
the
rally
yesterday
is
connecting
with
right
young
people
if
we
can
continue
to
find
ways
like
your
your
your
initiative
of
creating
a
youth
commission,
slash
youth
pead
act
to
encourage
more
young
people
to
work
in
partnership
with
the
philadelphia
police
department,
inspire
them
to
become
officers,
inspire
them
to
get
involved
in
things
that
are
positive.
B
That
is
great,
and
also
we
continue
to
take
in
consideration
how
to
partner
more
with
community
groups
as
we
move
forward
who
just
want
to
help
you
provide
information
and
also
be
that
boost
on
the
ground,
because
I'm
one
of
those
people
to
also
recognize
it's
not
going
to
take
just
the
philadelphia
police
department
to
save
us.
We're
not
going
to
rest
our
way
out
of
this
situation.
We
know
a
lot
of
these
issues
come
from
the
issue
of
poverty.
B
So
on
our
side
as
elected
officials,
we
have
to
do
a
greater
job
in
tackling
poverty
here
in
the
city
of
philadelphia
on
a
long
run.
But
I
I
will
be
up
front
when
I
say
this
last
statement,
but
my
constituents
want
to
feel
safe
now
they
say
here
councilman.
We
hear
you,
we
know
you
want
to
address
poverty,
but
what
are
you
going
to
do
now
about
my
grandmother
when
she
go
to
and
from
the
store
or
that
mother
that
I
have
to
console?
B
Because
she
calls
me
because
she
lost
a
loved
one
or
I
just
got
dm
on
on
instagram,
because
the
mother
just
said
listen.
I
lost
my
my
daughter
in
my
arms
in
july
of
2020
right.
I
want
to
be
a
part
of
this
movement.
I
want
to
express
myself.
I
need
some
support
and
I
want
to
be
on
the
front
line,
and
so
it's
all
of
us
who
has
to
roll
up
our
sleeve
and
get
involved
to
address
this
issue,
because
people
want
to
feel
safe
like
right
now,
immediately
councilman
curtis
jones.
L
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
did
not
mean
to
interrupt
it.
Just
sound
like
you
were
saying
goodbye
and
I
wanted
to
just
make
sure
one
of
these
questions
were
answered.
So
so,
if
we
were
using
a
process,
evaluation
review
technique,
which
is
basically
from
the
point
of
request
to
the
point
of
release
or
point
of
prosecution,
where
is
the
breakdown
with
guns
and
women?
Women?
Let
me
let
me
clarify
what
I
mean
you
arrest.
L
L
J
J
Shooting
reviews
are
law
enforcement
only,
but
I
would
love
to
invite
some
of
you
to
comstat,
so
you
can
see
how
we
are
not
only
holding
folks
accountable
internally,
but
how
we
review
the
data
and
the
intelligence
that
we
do
have
how
it's
used,
how
it's
operationalized
and
how
that,
in
real
time
again
within
that
sense
of
urgency,
is
pushed
out
and
how
we
hope
folks
feed
the
fire.
So
to
speak
with.
J
That
said,
councilman
jones,
that's
a
very
good
question
back
in
may,
and
I
know
the
d.a
made
some
reference
to
it
at
the
beginning
of
his
testimony
back
in
may.
I
formally
requested
the
d.a
to
assign
a
full-time
analyst
to
his
shop,
so
we
can
do
quality
assurance
of
very
specific
cases.
I
would
love
to
say
that
I
made
up
the
idea
myself.
I
didn't
it's
something
that
baltimore
is
doing
in
addition
to
their
crime
plan.
J
There's
an
mou
between
the
da's
office
or
the
state
attorney's
office
and
the
police
department,
and
it's
it's
because,
while
I
assigned
someone
when
I
first
got
here,
I
assigned
someone
internally
to
track
our
cases.
We
can
only
track
our
cases
up
until
we
present
it
and
hand
it
off
to
the
d.a
anything
that
happens
after
that,
once
it's
charged,
how
it
matriculates,
whether
or
not
something
is
downgraded
the
bills.
J
J
It
sounds
like
he's
willing
to
information
share
for
lack
of
a
better
way
of
saying
it,
but
I
think
what
we
really
need
is
a
full-time
person
that
is
reviewing
this,
so
we
can
then
say,
hey
and-
and
the
deals
on
ground
help
a
little
bit
with
that,
but
we
need
to
know
what
happens
after
the
fact,
so
we
can
make
sure
moving
forward
the
next
time
we
get
a
similar
case.
We
don't
repeat
the
same
missteps
if
there
were
missteps
either
on
the
investigative
end
or
on
the
prosecutorial
side.
J
All
sides
have
to
be
willing
to
see
that
hey.
We
need
to
improve
here.
So
I
think
it's
a
very
fair
question.
The
ask
was
made,
like
I
said,
of
me
back
in
may
and
it
I
don't
want
to
put
words
into
the
da's
mouth,
but
that's
what
needs
to
happen,
but
it
sounds
like
he's
open
to
doing
something
similar.
L
So,
mr
chairman,
if
we
as
a
community
could
take
a
deeper
dive
into
this
on,
the
surface
issue
is
that
we
are
experiencing
deaths
and
they
are
being
committed
by
shooters
how
those
shooters
wind
up
getting
opportunity.
I
heard
how
lesser
crimes
might
be
feeder
crimes
into
the
shooting
plans.
We
need
to
take
a
deeper
dive
and
look
and
analyze
that
data
to
make
good
information.
L
L
Third
time
gun
violation
and
what
was
the
process
that
allowed
them
to
be
second,
third
time
gun,
violence
and
then
shoot,
and
for
us
to
look
at
that
and
see
where
in
the
system
is
that
breaking
down
and
maybe
in
in
so
knowing
we
can
get
to
the
heart
of
the
matter?
Yes,
systemic
poverty
I
want
to.
I
want
to
do
it.
L
B
Absolutely
councilman
jones
now
follow
up
and
I've
been
asking
that
question
myself
several
nights
over
this
last
few
months
and
you
know
I'll
touch
base
with
you,
I'm
as
related
to
the
follow-up
but
yeah.
I
believe
that
has
to
be
addressed
as
relation.
To
be
quite
frank,
I
think
it's
a
combination
of
when
a
person
is
arrested
when
a
person
is
prosecuted
if
that
person
gets
off
on
the
technicality
or
not
because
again,
you
know,
I
said
this
early
on
in
the
streets.
B
The
word
is
you
get
locked
up
with
a
gun
nine
times
out
of
ten
you're
gonna
make
bell
and
get
out.
That's
just
the
reality
of
it.
It's
not
no
shot!
I'm
just
talking
about
what
I
hear
on
the
street,
so
the
technicality
part
the
legal
part
if
they
get
shocked
at
johnson
as
a
lawyer
and
easier
to
get
them
off
as
a
technicality
or
they
have
some
type
of
legal
defense
fund.
I
mean
illegal
defense
to
get
them
off.
B
All
that
needs
to
be
examined
to
make
sure
that
those
who
are
committing
these
crimes
with
these
guns
are
prosecuted
to
the
forces
of
the
law.
So,
rather
that's
on
the
prosecution
side
or
the
arrest
side,
it
needs
to
be
addressed
so
most
certainly
that's
something
that
will
come
out
of
this
committee
as
a
follow-up,
so
we
can
take
a
deeper
dive
and
look
into
it
as
a
whole
and
also
thank
you.
B
G
G
Thank
you
so
much,
mr
chair.
I
wanted
to
circle
back
to
the
testimony
and
data
provided
by
our
commissioner,
and
just
thank
you,
commissioner,
outlaw
for
your
testimony,
but
specifically
around
the
data
points,
if
you
could
just
hyper
focus
on
the
data
specifically
during
the
period
of
covid,
and
we
know
that
in
this
pandemic,
a
lot
of
the
issues
that
we've
been
dealing
with
have
been
further
exacerbated.
G
But
could
you
tell
me
whether
or
not
drug
related
shootings
versus
all
other
shootings?
What's
the
correlation
there?
What's
the
percentages,
because
what
we're
hearing
on
the
streets
is
that
there's
a
lot
of
money
flowing
on
the
streets
that
people
have
a
lot
more
dollars
to.
You
know
purchase
narcotics
and
other
drugs.
So
it's
really
a
lot
of
territorial
fights
that
are
happening
around
drug
territory.
G
J
You
for
both
of
those
questions
we
will
get
back
to
you
through
the
chair,
as
it
relates
to
specific
percentages
as
it
relates
to
drug-related
shootings.
If
you
recall,
we
made
some
amendments
regarding
the
types
of
arrests
that
we
would
make
at
the
onset
of
the
pandemic,
because
we
saw
that
a
lot
of
our
shootings
were
drug
related
over
territory,
and
it
wasn't
just
you
know
at
the
time,
because
we
initially
thought
that
the
funding
or
the
money
wasn't
out
there.
We've
also
seen
an
introduction
and
there's
only
so
much.
J
I
can
say
on
this
part:
we've
seen
an
introduction
of
counterfeit
currency
as
well.
That's
driven
a
lot
of
these
students,
so
we'll
get
back
to
you
again
through
the
chair
regarding
the
percentages
but
you're
absolutely
right
in
that
area.
As
far
as
the
homicide
piece
goes,
and
I
would
even
say
again-
non-fatal
shootings
there's
a
lot
of
work
that
needs
to
be
done
structurally,
as
it
relates
to
our
clearance
rates,
I'm
going
to
turn
it
over
to
ben
nash,
who
has
been
charged.
J
We've
had
some
some
really
good
and
meaningful
community
meetings
and
input,
as
it
relates
to
not
just
the
topic
that
you
brought
up
them
around,
diversifying
our
detectives,
but
also
ensuring
that
community
has
a
voice
and
that
there
is
regular
follow-up
on
cases,
even
if
there's
nothing
to
report
but
to
ensure
that
families
are
connected
and
also
understanding
that
folks
need
to
know
that
these
cases
are
being
solved
and
their
consequences
in
order
to
feel
the
trust
to
come
forward
to
solve
some
of
these
crimes.
Commissioner
nash.
C
Yeah
it's
good
morning,
everyone
good
morning,
council
person,
you
know
the
the
commissioner
speaks
about
building
the
trust
with
the
community
and,
as
you
talk
about
increasing
the
level
of
diversity
in
our
homicide
unit,
that's
a
part
of
what
we
want
to
do.
We
also
are
working
to
have
a
greater
level
of
trust
with
the
families
of
all
of
our
victims,
whether
it's
with
the
homicide,
victims,
families
or
even
in
the
non-fatal
shooting
victim
families.
C
Criticism
has
been
the
drop
of
our
clearance
rate
and
the
clearance
rate
for
homicides
can't
be
overstressed
of
how
important
it
is
to
bring
closure
hold
people
accountable.
So
often
we
talk
about
if
somebody
gets
away
with
a
homicide,
they're
probably
likely
to
go
out
and
commit
additional
homicides,
and
one
of
the
council
persons
talked
about
somebody
who
had
been
and
asked
d.a
krasner
about
someone
who
had
been
arrested
for
multiple
homicides,
going
back
to
somebody
in
the
community
who
had
put
a
lot
of
pressure
to
bring
about
that
clearance.
C
C
We
were
doing,
I
think,
as
as
an
organization
really
well
in
clearing
and
cl
and
bringing
in
homicide,
arrests
and
bringing
closure
to
the
families
at
this,
but
then
came
and
as
we've
all
referenced,
there
was
a
massive
amount
of
change
when
the
protest
started
as
a
result
of
the
horrible
acts
that
took
place
in
minneapolis
and
when
the
george
floyd
protest
began,
and
we
first
started
to
feel
a
local
impact
on
may
the
30th.
At
that
time
we
had
a
clearance
rate
that
was
almost
57
and
our
homicide
number.
C
Our
increase
was
15
above
where
we
had
been
and
comparable
to
the
previous
year
and
now
we're
at
30
above
where
we
were
from
the
last
year.
So
our
homicide
increase
has
has
exacerbated
throughout
the
protest
period.
There's
a
lot
of
factors,
and
the
commissioner
has
addressed
a
number
of
all
the
council.
C
So
what
we've
been
seeing
is
the
impact
of
kovic,
combined
with
the
impact
of
the
of
the
protests
and
some
of
the
challenges
that
we've
faced
in
having
in
diverting
our
resources
initially,
but
I
think
that
you
just
start
to
see
maybe
an
erosion
of
trust
in
the
community
with
with
police,
and
we
have
challenges
in
trying
to
get
community
and
members
of
the
public
to
assist
us.
I
mean
I
will
say
this:
some
of
the
the
the
greatest
everybody
asks.
How
do
you?
How
can
you
slow
down
the
homicides?
C
How
can
you
split
on
the
shootings?
How
can
you
increase
the
clearances
our
biggest
tool,
because
we
so
often
don't
get
cooperation
from
from
from
first
of
all
on
a
non-fatal
shooting?
We
often
don't
get
cooperation
from
the
shooting
victim
and
that's
the
first
challenge
in
clearing
a
non-fatal
shooting,
but
in
a
homicide
we
don't
have
the
victim
to
help
us.
We
do
get
some
cooperation
from
community
members.
Family
is
is
incredibly
important
in
helping
us
in
because,
as
you
everybody
knows,
they
hear
about
what's
going
on
with
their
family
member.
C
But
then
the
biggest
piece
of
the
of
the
puzzle
becomes
the
video
and
we've
referenced,
the
the
terrible
events
of
august,
the
first
with
zamir
jones
and
and
the
seven-year-old
that
was
shot
on
simpson
street.
Well,
because
of
we
were
fortunate.
We
had
a
a
a
quick
response
by
police,
the
individual
that
was
that
was
responsible
for
setting.
C
We
solved
that
case.
Three
people
have
been
arrested.
It's
we're
we're
we're
happy
we're
fortunate
that
that
justice
is
going
to
be
served,
but
I
I
mention
that
to
talk
about
how
important
and
help
the
challenges
that
we
have
in
bringing
these
cases
in
we
we
do
face
challenges
with
cooperation
and
and
again
we
all
talk
about
the
clearance
rates,
homicide
at
49,
almost
50
percent-
it's
not
high
enough,
but
it's
it's
within
the
realm
of
a
national
average.
We're
try
we're
trying
to
get
higher.
C
We
were
getting
close
to
our
goal
and
then
we
got
sidetracked.
We
we
got
pushed
back,
but
the
non-fatal
shooting
clearances.
A
lot
of
people
are
starting
to
talk,
are
talking
about
that.
The
commissioner
has
referenced
it,
it's
so
well
below,
where
it
needs
to
be
and
where
we
absolutely
want
it
to
be,
and
everybody
wants
to
know
what
why?
How
come?
C
They're
not
being
solved,
and
let
me
just
put
this
out
there
right
now-
a
non-fatal
shooting
means
that
there's
a
surviving
victim
of
a
shooting
and
there
might
be
witnesses
to
that
shooting
we
might
be
able
to
get
video.
That's
going
to
help
us
and
I
can
tell
you
on
the
shooting
on
sunday
night
where
three
people
were
shot,
including
an
11
year
old.
C
A
young
man
was
shot
right
in
front
of
his
family's
house
and
as
far
as
we
can
tell
right
now,
there
is
no
reason
to
figure
out
why
he
was
targeted
other
than
he
might
have
put
out
an
in
a
a
a
social
media
post
that
he
was
out
there,
and
maybe
somebody
had
something
decided.
They
wanted
to
target
him.
But
I
can
tell
you
this
that
this
morning,
because
of
video,
we
identified
a
suspect
and
we
we've
taken
somebody
in
and
we're.
C
The
video
that
comes
from
the
video
that
came
from
simpson
street
was
from
the
corner,
grocery
store
and
multiple
cameras
that
were
security
cameras
that
showed
the
entire
act,
the
entire
act
from
from
the
part
of
the
individual
or
being
on
the
street
having
gone
to
the
grocery
store,
we
had
them
all
identified
and
then
it
shows
the
pickup
truck
going
down.
So
I'm
sorry,
I
I'm,
I
don't
know
if
I'm
getting
exactly
to
what
you
want
to
know
about
what
we
can
do
with
homicides.
The
frustration
that
we
we
all
feel
is
overwhelming.
C
We
do
need
we
do
need
to
have
a
closer
bond
with
our
community.
We
are
working
as
hard
as
we
can
to
maintain
to
to
to
re-establish
that
bond.
It's
a
challenge
time.
We
can't
forget
that
right
now
there
is
a
fair
amount,
let's
face
it,
there's
actually
a
lot
of
animosity
against
the
police
and
the
whole
idea
of
people
protesting
to
take
away
funding
from
the
police
the
results
of
it.
C
What's
it
going
to
do
it's
going
to
take
away
from
the
goals
that
commissioner
outlaw
has
outlined,
it's
all
the
things
talking
about
making
our
organization
better.
Well,
if
you
take
away
our
funding,
it's
going
to
be
hard
to
carry
those
things
out,
so
what
we
want
to
do
in
homicide.
Yes,
we
want
to
increase
the
number
of
investigators
in
homicide,
so
they
have
a
lower
case
load.
That
would
be
wonderful
and
that's
something
that
we
ought
to
be
doing.
C
We
want
to
increase
the
level
of
diversity,
so
there
can
be
a
greater
connection,
but
these
are
the
challenges
that
the
budget
cuts
are
placing
on
us
and
then
and
then
again
the
community
challenge
we
need.
We
do
need
cooperation
and
the
district
attorney
allude.
There
was
a
question
about
witness
protection,
and
can
it
happen
before
somebody
is
arrested?
C
Well,
I
think,
that's
generally
speaking
about
in
homicides,
when
you
talk
about
witnesses
when
it
comes
to
a
non-fatal
shooting,
how
are
the
witnesses
going
to
be
getting
involved
if
they
know
that
the
person
who's
responsible,
who
is
the
victim
of
that
shooting,
doesn't
want
that
shooting
to
be
cleared,
sometimes
that
that
that
person
was
involved
in
activities
that
brought
up
that
brought
about
and
and
we
we
are
we're
right-
we
are
faced
with
so
many
obstacles
on
our
non-fatal
shootings.
But
again
video
is
great.
C
C
G
For
mr
nation,
for
the
sake
of
time
and
mr
chairman,
I
want
to
respect
the
time
of
the
hearing,
because
I
know
we
have
a
12
30
stop
time.
But
I
do
want
to
follow
up
on
on
some
of
the
things
that
you
say
to,
because
I
do
think
it's
important
that
we,
you
know,
continue
to
have
a
conversation
around
how
we
look
at
reallocating
resources
to
ensure
that
we
are
addressing
the
needs
of
the
community
and
the
individuals
that
we
serve
particularly
in
this
moment.
G
So
I
will
follow
up
relative
to
some
of
the
hiring
issues
that
I
think
we
need
to
address
and
looking
at
how
we
can
offer
an
opportunity
for
young
people,
specifically
in
the
city
of
philadelphia,
to
have
an
opportunity
for
civil
service
employment
and
in
hopes
to
help
diversify
some
of
the
efforts
that
we
see,
particularly
around
employment
in
the
police
department.
But
quickly.
G
You
know
it
just
further
amplifies
the
issues
that
we're
seeing.
So
if
you
have
any
data
that
you
can
present
to
the
chair
for
the
sake
of
time,
that
shows
and
indicates
the
amount
of
incidents
that
have
occurred
with
school-age
children
being
in
conflict
since
the
onset
of
covet.
That
would
be
so
helpful.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
Thank
you.
So
much.
M
Yes,
thank
you
so
much
council
member.
My
question
is
in
reference
to
the:
how
does
wellness
checks
play
into
violence
reduction
and
also,
what
is
the
turnaround
for
someone
that
reports
the
need
for
wellness
check
with
a
family
member
or
reports
a
potential
potential
for
incident
on
social
media?
What
is
the
turnaround
in
the
response
for
that?
In
reference
to
prevention?
J
M
Heard
several
types
of
wellness
checks,
folks
have
called
our
office
and
asked
about
either
doing
a
wellness
check
related
to
domestic
violence,
and
then,
on
the
flip
side,
I
heard
landlords
said
that
they
want
a
wellness
check
to
get
into
a
facility,
an
apartment
or
whatever,
but
one
in
particular.
It
resulted
in
a
homicide
and
when
the
police
were
called
they
kind
of
overlooked.
J
M
That
one,
so
I
would
like
to
know
what's
the
response
time,
because
I
think
that
that's
a
way
to
we
talk
about
wanting
the
community
members
involvement
and
making
sure
people
are
reporting
incidents.
But
if
we're
report,
if
people
are
reporting
and
calling
in
incidents
and
aren't
feeling
they're
getting
a
resolution,
especially
when
it
ends
up
in
death,
that's
not
a
possib.
M
That's
not
creating
a
sense
of
community
with
police,
and
my
other
question
is
related
to
then
we,
you
said
so
many
resources
and
needed
resources
are
needed
in
order
to
move
this
flow
forward
and
get
the
work
done
so
to
say.
But
I
have
a
question
when
we
talk
about
the
earlier.
The
d.a
about
gun
charges
being
thrown
out
for
not
being
valuable,
just
been
being
dismissed
in
cases.
Is
that
a
result
of
officers
that
are
on
and
do
not
call
less
or
aren't
suppose?
M
J
I
think
that's
a
good
question
and
that's
why
I
ask
for
this
analyst
to
go
back
and
tell
us,
so
we
can
do
the
quality
assurance
if
there
are
cases
that
are
thrown
out,
because
if
there's
lack
of
investigative
sufficiency
or
if
there's
an
officer
that
is
deemed
not
credible
and
can't
testify
in
court
or,
if
they're
being
downgraded
later
on
down
the
line.
That's
the
data
that
we
don't
have
and
that
we're
all
shooting
to
get.
B
You
thank
you
very
much,
commissioner,
outlaw.
How
soon
do
you
think
that
information
could
be
available?
That's
the
critical
part
of
I
think,
what's
on
all
of
our
minds,
and
we
can
kind
of
separate
fact
from
fiction
and
facts
from
what
we
hear
on
the
streets
regarding
gun
crimes
and
who
gets
away
with
gun
crimes
and
what's
actually
being
done
about
it,
and
so
is
there
a
time
frame
we
can
put
on
providing
us
this
information
from
the
analysts.
J
Well,
I
would
love
to
again.
I
can't
speak
for
the
da's
office.
We
are
working
with.
I've
been
recently
told
that
we
are
working
with
the
da's
office,
meaning
our
folks
at
the
divot
to
get
information
around
gun
crimes
loopers
and
points,
but
that
further
information
is
still
needed
from
the
district
attorney's
office.
As
far
as
what
happens
once
we
turn
the
case
over,
are
dropped
and
so
on
and
so
forth.
B
A
Many
people
have
spoken
to
that
already,
no
matter
how
often
it
takes
place,
we
know
gun
violence
is
preventable,
but
we
know
we
can
only
prevent
it
with
the
help
of
all
of
us
assembled
here
today
working
together.
So
we
appreciate
this
opportunity
to
update
you
all
on
the
expansion
of
our
gun,
violence,
prevention
reduction,
efforts,
which
support
the
city's
comprehensive
strategic
action
plan
entitled
the
philadelphia
robe
after
safer
communities
and
we'd
like
to
thank
the
chairs
and
the
members
of
the
committee
for
your
continued
support
and
partnership
in
this
work
without
question.
A
Following
the
murder
of
george
floyd,
this
unprecedented
and
trying
time
is
made
even
more
difficult
as
we
confront
this
epidemic
of
gun,
violence
and
experiences,
disturbing
trend
and
shootings
and
homicides.
Of
course,
we
are
not
the
only
city
to
see
a
staggering
rise
in
gun
violence.
As
the
commissioner
outlined,
we
can
see
the
same
violence,
that's
happening
in
new
york,
chicago
atlanta
and
many
other
cities,
but
our
responsibility
lies
here
at
home,
so
we
all
share
in
this
pain.
We
all
share
in
the
outrage
and,
most
importantly,
for
those
of
us
in
public
service.
A
We
all
share
an
unmistakable
urgency
to
solve
this
crisis
in
philadelphia.
That
said,
instead
of
letting
this
pain
go
without
purpose
and
the
anger
without
action,
all
of
this
only
reinvigorates
our
will.
It
reaffirms
our
resolve
at
the
office
of
violence
prevention
and
across
the
administration
to
further
scale
up
programs
and
add
additional
strategies
to
the
roadmap
that
are
proven
to
reduce
violence
and
make
communities
safer.
A
This
is
why
we,
along
with
our
city
partners,
launched
the
group
violence,
intervention
or
gbi
for
short
this
month.
Gbi
is
an
evidence-based
strategy
that
elevates
the
role
community,
support
and
social
services
play
in
reducing
gun
violence
and,
most
importantly,
it
involves
law
enforcement,
which
includes
the
philadelphia
police
department,
the
district
attorney's
office
partnering
with
community
to
focus
on
the
small
active
number
of
people
driving
the
violence
plaguing
many
of
our
neighborhoods.
A
This
is
a
key
point.
The
research
and
data
shows
much
of
the
shooting.
Violence
is
driven
by
a
very
small
percentage
of
the
population,
individuals
who
are
part
of
violent
street
groups.
To
be
clear.
This
is
not
a
heavy-handed
law
enforcement
approach
to
the
problem.
We
know
we
cannot
arrest
or
prosecute
our
way.
Out
of
this,
as
has
already
been
stated,
this
is
about
the
community
and
law
enforcement,
delivering
a
unified
message
to
stop
the
violence
to
those
who
are
engaged
in
it
and
offering
services
and
support
to
those
who
want
the
help.
A
Much
like
the
efforts
of
health
care
workers
to
stop
the
spread
of
covert
19
gbi
is
about
stopping
the
spread
of
shootings
in
philadelphia.
If
we
can
stop
one
group
involved,
shooting
we
have
the
potential
of
stopping
countless
others
that
typically
follow
when
opposing
group
members
choose
to
retaliate.
A
The
strategy
is
simple:
community
partners
with
law
enforcement
and
social
service
providers
to
help
keep
people
safe
services
supports
offered
to
participants
are
completely
voluntary.
Participants
are
not
forced
to
take
advantage
of
them.
They
are
simply
given
a
choice.
However,
the
message
is
clear:
the
shootings
must
stop
full
stop.
A
There
will
be
swift,
certain
and
legitimate
consequences
for
those
individuals
and
groups.
Do
not
heed
the
message
and
continue
to
engage
in
gun
violence.
However,
the
consequences
will
be
fair
and
will
rely
on
the
least
amount
of
enforcement
necessary
to
hold
groups
accountable,
not
just
individuals.
A
In
addition,
we
have
expanded
our
community
crisis
intervention
program,
also
known
as
ccip,
which
uses
a
credible
messenger
model
to
stop
the
violence.
These
messengers
are
credible
because
of
the
lived
experience
they
have
growing
up
and
some
of
the
most
violent
neighborhoods
of
philadelphia
and
many
of
them
have
their
own
powerful
stories
of
how
they
successfully
turn
their
lives
around.
Despite
the
trouble
or
hurt
they
may
have
caused
or
experienced
at
one
point
in
their
lives
as
outreach
workers
for
ccip.
A
These
credible
messengers
help
us
engage
communities
experiencing
higher
rates
of
gun
violence
in
order
to
mediate
and
reduce
tensions
that
often
lead
to
shootings.
They
also
act
as
an
important
liaison
between
community
and
government
by
helping
residents
at
risk
of
violence,
invest
and
connect
to
needed
services
and
supports.
A
As
you
know,
our
funding
supports
the
philadelphia
anti-drug
anti-violence
network,
also
known
as
pan,
to
operate
ccip,
and
we
are
pleased
to
announce
that
pan
now
has
the
51
crisis
workers
also
known,
as
advocates
as
the
need
for
ccip
grows.
That's
51,
that's
closer
to
the
goal
that
the
council
has
stressed
for
us
to
reach
in
terms
of
64.
A
and,
as
you
may
recall,
ccip
was
launched
in
july
2018
with
only
nine
crisis
workers,
but
thanks
to
the
support
from
council,
we
have
scaled
up
and
now
have
more
workers
to
cover
more
hours
of
the
week
to
intervene
before
this
violence
occurs.
We
also
continue
to
invest
in
and
collaborate
with
our
community
partners.
In
january
of
this
year,
we
announced
a
million
dollars
in
funding
for
the
second
round
of
targeted
community
investment.
Grants
to
help
with
increasing
services
supports
in
neighborhoods
most
vulnerable
to
gun
violence.
A
This
brings
our
total
investment
to
two
to
nearly
two
million
dollars
awarded
to
dozens
of
grassroots
organizations
that
offer
safe
spaces,
career
skill,
building,
sports
leagues,
recreation,
wellness
and
community
revitalization
projects
just
to
name
a
few.
Of
course,
most
of
that
work
had
to
be
suspended
during
the
stay-at-home
order
issued
by
the
administration
to
slowly
spread
to
cope
at
19..
A
However,
most
of
our
grantees
are
now
in
the
process
of
safely
resuming
their
projects
or
working
to
restart
them.
Now
that
the
city
has
entered
the
modified
green
phase,
reopening
thanks
again
to
the
support
from
council,
we
also
have
funding
available
to
award
another
rondo
grants
this
fiscal
year.
A
Moreover,
with
the
assistance
of
the
crime
and
crime
data
and
analysis
provided
by
the
philadelphia
police
department's
operation
pinpoint,
we
continue
to
use
data
to
drive
our
efforts
to
implement
the
strategies
in
the
roadmap
to
ensure
we
focus
on
the
people
and
places
most
at
risk
of
violence
and
assess
whether
our
interventions
are
effective
prior
to
cobra
19.
We
could
see
that
our
collective
efforts
were
making
a
difference
in
the
areas
identified
under
operation
pinpoint
at
one
point,
it
was
clear
that
while
violence
was
up,
city-wide
violence
in
the
pinpoint
areas
was
going
down.
A
Our
bringing
city
agencies
and
departments
together
weekly
to
focus
on
these
areas
in
order
to
determine
how
best
to
use
all
available
resources
to
respond
to
challenges
in
these
hot
spots
was
having
the
desired
effect.
Our
approach
was
working
now,
as
we
move
through
this
unprecedented
time
for
our
city.
We
must
not
abandon
what
we
know
can
work
to
prevent
and
reduce
gun
violence,
but
we
must
adjust
and
adapt
to
the
current
circumstances
that
confront
us.
We
still
have
a
long
road
ahead
of
us
as
we
work
to
stop
the
spread
of
over
19..
A
We
still
have
a
long
fight
ahead
of
us
as
we
work
to
eliminate
the
racial
inequities
and
despairs
in
our
institutions
that
perpetuate
the
problem
of
gun
violence.
This
does
not
mean
that
we
stop
partnering
with
the
community
to
stop
this
violence
or
shy
away
from
engaging
the
individuals
most
at
risk
of
it.
Our
approach
to
prevent
gun
violence
can
still
work,
but
we
must
adjust.
A
We
must
adjust
to
ensure
we
avoid
spreading
over
19
and
simultaneously,
as
it
has
already
been
stated,
we
must
do
the
hard
work
of
rebuilding
the
trust
in
our
communities
impacted
by
gun
violence
that
have
experienced
the
effects
of
systemic
racism
for
far
too
long.
These
urgent
challenges
are
not
insurmountable,
while
our
hearts
are
filled
with
grief
over
the
loss
of
so
many
citizens
to
gun
violence.
We
will
use
this
moment
to
redouble
our
efforts,
strengthen
our
partnerships
and
renew
our
faith
in
what
is
possible
when
we
all
come
together.
B
B
So
give
us
an
overview
of
the
impact
of
those
cuts
and
are
we
thinking
outside
the
box
in
terms
of
okay,
we
have
a
700
plus
billion
dollar
budget
deficit,
as
mr
corbett
19.,
are
we
reaching
out
to
other
public
private
partnerships
such
as
the
chamber
of
commerce
such
as
future
requests
like
because
I
know
that
I
know
people
trust
has
stepped
up
for
rebuild.
They
have
stepped
up
for
bike
lanes,
they've
stepped
up
on
a
variety
of
other
years,
but
we're
talking
about
black
and
brown
children
dying
in
the
streets
of
philadelphia.
A
Council
member
jones,
thank
you
chair
for
those
questions,
constant
johnson.
Sorry,
thank
you
for
those
questions
and
I
really
appreciate
the
opportunity
to
give
you
our
perspective
on
the
budget.
Certainly
it
has
an
impact
and
councilmember
johnson.
As
you
mentioned,
you
know.
The
new
finance
reduction
partnership
was
something
that
was
cut
as
a
result,
chandelle,
I
know,
can
speak
to
more
how
we're
trying
to
not
necessarily
adjust
and
adapt,
because
we
recognize
that
again.
We
still
have
to
worry
about
those
individuals
who
are
on
probation
most
likely
to
kill
or
be
killed.
A
So
we
still
have
funding
available
to
support
efforts
through
adult
and
juvenile
probation
to
provide
intensive
services
and
support,
but
we
know
that
again
with
the
group
bonds
intervention,
we
are
going
to
take
a
more
laser-like
focus
of
those
who
are
really
at
the
top
of
that
list
in
terms
of
really
driving
that
violence,
and
so
we're
hopeful
that,
through
the
groupons
intervention
and
what
we're
still
doing
with
probation
will
allow
us
to
cover
the
gap.
As
you
know,
we
have
to
just
adjust
to
what
budget
we
have
in
front
of
us.
A
D
K
D
D
D
B
L
L
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
If
sam
you
could
put
up
that
simpson
street
chart
again,
I
understand
that
you
have
a
number
of
accurate,
acronyms
and
programs
that
are
designed
to
address
the
characteristic
approach.
They
call
them
different
things,
but
when
you
look
at
simpson
street,
where
that
young
man
died,
tell
me
why
there
was
not
a
mathematical
formula
developed
to
identify
the
200
block
of
simpson
street
when
you
had
as
many
murders
as
many
shootings
as
many
actors
as
many
armed
robbers
as
a
place
that
pinpoint
would
work.
L
How
are
we
making
these
decisions
about
where
that
goes?
In
light
of
the
fact
that
member
guardian,
that,
in
light
of
the
fact
that
representative
mcclinton
and
representative
cephus
and
representative
former
representative
movida
johnson,
fought
to
get
money
and
resources
for
that?
If
you
are
looking
at
a
data-driven
model,
then
simpson
street,
being
at
the
center
of
that
three
homicides:
11,
shooting
victims,
23,
robberies
with
firearms,
33
aggravated
assaults
with
firearms
and
15
shooting
incidents.
We
can
make
that
a
operation
ground
zero
for
your
program.
L
A
Again,
I
would
say
that
you
might
want
to
ask
that
question
to
police
in
terms
of
how
they're
setting
the
pinpoint
grids,
but
I
would
say
that
this
is
not
something
that
we
want
to
pass
over
so
with
simpson
street.
What
you've
outlined
are
clearly
issues
and
concerns
that
we
would
want
to
our
community
crisis
intervention
program
to
be
looking
at
and
involved
in,
so
we
have
now
more
workers
to
cover
more
ground
and
with
the
groupons
intervention.
That
is
something
that
was
just
launched
this
month.
So
gbi
has
just
come
online.
L
Say
this
we
fought
for
your.
I
remember
during
the
budget
process,
councilman
johnson
called
me
up
and
said:
will
you
rego
to
the
met
for
gun
violence
resources?
I
remember
that,
and
that
is
that
that
is
in
the
face
of
other
priorities.
We
may
have
had
so
we're
now
two
years
into
this
right,
but
the
shootings
are
going
up,
the
murders
are
going
up,
I'm
saying
to
you
covet
may
be
a
reason,
but
the
shootings
didn't
take
a
break
during
that
crisis.
You
can't
take
a
break
during
this
crisis.
L
A
Well,
I
can
speak
to
again
the
community
crisis
intervention
program,
and
this
is
something
that
shondell.
I
know
where
we
talk
with
pan
we're
always
trying
to
think
about
deployment
for
those
individuals
and
now
that
we've
been
able
to
grow
those
teams
again.
That
is
always
the
question
of.
Where
is
the
most
where's
the
place
that
we
need
to
put
them?
Where.
L
They
can
so,
if
you
ask
member
thomas
in
his
priority
areas
where
the
block
is
hot
he'll
tell
you:
if
you
ask
council
of
a
member,
johnson
or
gautier
or
or
bass
or
or
sanchez
or
parker,
we
all
know,
and
it
doesn't
take
a
algorithm
half
the
time
to
figure
that
out
it.
You
can.
I
pulled
this
up.
It
was
common
information
and
then,
if
you
ask
a
kid
on
the
street,
they
can
tell
you
what
block
is
high.
So
if
we
need
to
get
to
40,
pin
points,
let's
get
there,
we
don't.
D
We
were
fully
dedicated,
I
fully
dedicated
all
the
resources
to
that
area
and
we
have
visited
that
block
multiple
times.
We
have
teams
down
there
so
much
happening,
and
this
is
no
excuse
just
a
reality.
We
jumped
from
blocks
to
block
and
we
weren't
on
that
block
that
night
and
if
we
were,
I
don't
think
we
could
have
avoided
that
shooting
from
happening,
but
I
think
going
forward
building
relationships
and
trying
to
find
out
which
groups
are
doing.
K
L
B
I'm
going
to
ask
for
shondell
and
bearing
the
follow-up
tomorrow
for
the
second
half
of
the
hearing,
make
yourselves
available
and
we'll
finish
also
talking
to
the
other
administration
agencies
as
well,
and
at
this
particular
time
as
we
recess
for
tomorrow.
I
want
to
call
for
a
motion
to
adjourn
to
august
12th
at
9
30
a.m.
B
B
All
those
in
favor
signify
by
saying
I
I
oppose
eyes,
have
it
and
thank
everyone
for
taking
time
out
of
your
schedule
and
being
here
for
this
very
important
special
hearing
on
gun
violence.
The
mayor
has
a
press
conference
at
one
o'clock.
That's
the
only
reason
why
we
have
to
adjourn
right
now,
we'll
come
back
tomorrow
and
get
back
to
the
business
of
the
people.
Thank
you
very
much.