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From YouTube: Special Committee on Gun Violence Prevention 9-3-2020
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The Special Committee on Gun Violence Prevention of the Council of the City of Philadelphia held a Public Hearing on Thursday, September 3, 2020, at 2:30 PM, in a remote manner using Microsoft® Teams to hear testimony on the following items:
No. 170609 Resolution authorizing the creation of a "Special Committee on Gun Violence Prevention" to address Philadelphia's enduring plague of gun violence by facilitating coordination among stakeholders and formulating a comprehensive gun violence prevention strategy.
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the
clerk.
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call
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rule
to
take
attendance.
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This
hearing
of
city
council
special
committee
on
gun,
violence
and
the
follow-up
to
a
two-day
hearing
are
convened
last
month
on
our
gun
violence
crisis.
That
hearing
had
a
long
witness
list
and
addressed
a
broad
range
of
topics.
Today
we
are
here
with
a
much
shorter
witness
list
to
take
a
deeper
dive
on
a
specific
subject:
the
enforcement
of
our
existing
gun
laws.
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The
pennsylvania
general
assembly
has
taken
aggressive
action
to
block
cities
like
philadelphia
from
regular
regulating
guns
for
the
safety
of
our
citizens,
but
that
does
not
present
us
from
ensuring
that
the
laws
already
on
the
books
are
enforced
fully.
With
that
in
mind,
we
will
hear
today
from
our
police
commissioner
danielle
outlaw
our
district
attorney
larry
krasner
chief
deputy
attorney
general
general
t,
chief
deputy
attorney
general
brennan
o'malley,
our
judge
of
our
criminal
courts.
President
judge
about
criminal
courts,
leon
tucker
supervising
judge
by
criminal
course
leon
tucker.
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They
say
councilman
king
out
of
johnson,
as
you
are,
as
you
are
addressing
this
issue
of
gun
violence
where
the
guns
are
coming
from,
and
so
today
we
will
focus
on
not
only
the
trafficking
of
illegal
guns,
the
flow
of
illegal
guns,
but
how
individuals,
who
are
court
and
with
the
possession
of
guns,
are
arrested,
how
they
are
prosecuted,
how
they
are
addressed,
at
least
to
our
court
system?
For
myself?
C
I'm
at
a
point
where
I
know
that
this
is
going
to
take
a
comprehensive
approach
for
us
to
address
this
issue
as
the
city,
but
I
honestly
feel
like
the
bad
guys
are
winning.
I
just
had
a
quadruple
shooting
in
my
neighborhood
last
night,
two
17
year
olds
were
murdered.
I
personally
know
both
the
young
men,
family,
family
members,
who
are
from
south
philly,
particularly
the
point
breeze
community,
and
so
this
is
a
very,
very
serious
conversation.
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We
also
have
provided
the
questions,
the
answers
from
the
questions
from
the
office
of
violence
prevention
that
were
asked
on
the
last
hearing
and
what
I
do
remember
doing.
The
last
hearing,
councilman
curtis
jones.
I'm
asked
the
question
when
commissioner
daniel
outlaw
talked
about
collecting
77
guns
per
week
over
the
last
several
months
and
it
kind
of
begs
the
question
we
taking
so
many
guns
off
the
street.
We
still
have
a
significant
amount
of
shootings
taking
place.
What
are
we
doing
wrong?
What
can
we
doing
better?
C
This
hearing
is
about
doing
a
follow-up
and
making
sure
that
we're
laser-like
focused
on
addressing
the
issue
of
gun
violence
here
in
the
city
of
philadelphia.
I'm
going
to
turn
on
the
remarks
over
to
councilman
curtis
jones
who's,
chair
of
public
safety.
He
has
some
side,
some
slides,
that
he's
going
to
present
to
open
up
this
discussion
and
then
the
clerk
will
call
the
first
witness.
F
Thank
you,
mr
chairman.
I
want
to
first
say
thank
you
for
some
years
ago,
beating
spearheading
this
topic
when
it
wasn't
the
flavor
of
the
month
when
people
weren't
focused
in
on
it,
some
people
were
doing
their
individual
things,
but
it
was
not
at
critical
mass
like
it
is
today.
I
remember
when
you
established
this
committee.
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F
We
looked
and
looked
at
each
other
and
said
we're
gonna
need
a
bigger
boat
because
we
knew
the
problem
was
so
massive
as
we've
evolved.
Mr
chairman,
I
thank
you
for
keeping
us
focused.
There
is
a
urgency
not
just
up
now,
but
an
urgency
of
right
now,
and
I
want
to
illustrate
that
with
some
slides,
just
one
slot
since
the
last
of
sam.
F
This
is
what
has
happened.
We
went
from
259
and
if
we
count
the
two
last
night
that
makes
it
261
homicide
no
259
to
1
305
homicide
in
a
matter
of
three
weeks.
That's
an
addition
of
46
new
homicides.
Since
the
last
time
we
got
together
to
talk
about
it.
Since
the
last
hearing
that
you
chaired,
mr
chairman,
we
had
we
at
that
time
at
1891
shootings.
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F
I
haven't
heard
from
of
the
the
fruit
of
islam
since
the
late
70s
early
80s
that
want
to
step
up
and
do
do
neighborhood
safety
walks,
and
things
like
that.
I
believe
sincerely
at
the
beginning
of
this
hearing
that
we
have
the
ingredients
that
that
it
can
begin
to
stem
the
tide
of
gun
violence
in
the
city
of
philadelphia.
What
we
have
to
do
as
a
challenge,
mr
chairman,
is
break
down
silos.
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C
Thank
you
very
much
councilman
jones
before
we
begin
to
hear
testimony
from
the
witnesses
we
have
for
today.
Everyone
who
has
been
invited
to
the
meeting
to
testify
should
be
aware
that
this
public
hearing
is
being
recorded,
because
the
hearing
is
public
participants
and
viewers
have
no
reasonable
expectation
of
privacy.
C
By
continuing
to
be
in
the
meeting,
you
are
consenting
to
being
recorded
additionally
prior
to
recognizing
members
for
the
question
for
their
questions
or
comments
they
have
for
witnesses.
I
will
note
for
the
record
at
this
time
that
we
will
use
the
chat
feature
available
in
microsoft
teams
to
allow
members
to
signify
that
they
wish
to
be
recognized
in
order
to
comply
with
the
sunshine
act.
C
Just
on
for
a
point
of
information,
we
only
mentioned
two
homicides
in
my
district,
but,
as
I
was
reading,
there
were
other
homicides
that
were
taking
place
in
shootings
across
the
city
of
philadelphia
has
as
a
whole
and
again
I
believe
everybody
has
a
role
to
play.
But
I
do
recognize
that
our
chief
law
enforcement
officials
are
here
on
this
channel
right
now.
That's
what
they
are
sworn
that's,
what
they
take
the
old
fort
and
that's
part
of
their
job
responsibility.
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C
Graduate
master
university
graduate
harvard
school
of
business
certificate,
how
much
dating
as
well
as
former
state
representative,
and
so
we
got
to
let
these
young
people
know
either
we
give
them
the
resources
to
get
it
get
involved
in
something
that's
positive,
but
for
those
who
want
to
take
on
our
community
at
the
end
of
the
day,
they
need
to
be
dealt
with
swiftly.
And
that's
that's
that's
my
statement
for
the
record.
Well,
the
clerk.
Please
call
the
first
panel.
H
All
right,
thank
you
for
the
opportunity
to
present
this
afternoon.
I
appreciate
the
spirit
of
collaboration
and,
as
I've
said
before
you
know,
we
really
won't
get
to
the
crux
of
this.
Unless
we
we
really
sit
at
the
table
and
have
some
some
open
and
honest
dialogue
with
each
other
with
that
said,
please
know
that
the
information
that
we're
sharing
and
the
answers
that
request
the
answers
that
we're
providing
today
in
response
to
some
of
the
questions
that
we
got.
H
We
do
this
with
the
full
intent
of
also
being
introspective
and
recognizing
and
publicly
acknowledging
that
we
also
have
some
additional
work
to
do
and
our
in
our
own
areas
of
responsibility
and
influence.
So
with
that
next
slide,
please,
director
thomas,
I
like
to
start
off.
This
is
becoming
my
least
favorite
slide.
I
know
we've
seen
this
one
before,
but
I
like
to
start
off
with
this
just
to
piggyback
and
reinforce
what
was
already
shared,
and
we
basically
just
keep
the
same
slide
and
we
update
the
numbers
as
of
today.
H
H
We
were
asked
last
time
you
know,
and
I
understand
that
you
know
what
we
provided
was
really
strategic
and
and
was
telling
you
about
what
we
were
doing
in
the
long
term
and
sometimes
in
the
midterm,
but
I
also
understand
that
that
doesn't
always
translate
to
what
we're
doing
right
now
today.
So
I
just
want
to
give
you
a
couple
of
examples
before
I
get
into
some
of
the
responses
to
the
questions
that
we
had.
H
This
particular
instance
right
here
was
from
a
very
recent
incident
and
it
happened
overnight
between
the
first
and
the
second.
Our
narcotics
field
unit
received
information
from
some
reliable
sources
regarding
a
drug
location
in
westerly
where
guns
were
being
sold,
including
ghost
guns,
and
as
a
result
of
that,
the
nfu
developed
probable
cause
to
search
the
residents
with
a
nighttime
search
warrant.
The
pictures
that
you
see
are
a
result
of
the
operation
with
swot.
H
H
Also,
on
top
of
that,
we
found
a
substantial
amount
of
narcotics,
including
crack
cocaine,
marijuana,
various
pills
and
u.s
currency,
with
the
narcotics
value
listed
at
over
40
000.
in
the
upper
left
photo
here
on
this
slide.
The
black
and
red
item
of
evidence
is
an
unserialized
and
unfinished
receiver
that
can
be
used
to
complete
a
ghost
gun
or
a
ghost
semi-automatic
rifle.
H
H
H
Again,
I'm
not
going
to
go
into
all
the
details
here.
These
are
a
continuation
of
some
of
the
guns
that
we're
recovering
from
the
24th
and
the
25th,
but
in
some
the
top,
the
top
right
area
is
really
where
I
want
you
to
focus
so
some
time
ago
I
said
that
the
average
amount
of
guns
that
we
were
getting
off
the
street
were
about
77.
H
I
was
actually
off
at
that
time.
We've
since
seen
an
increase
in
an
average
of
82
crime
guns
that
we're
getting
off
the
street
and
we're
seizing
on
a
weekly
basis.
Just
in
the
last
seven
days,
however,
we've
gotten
139
guns
off
the
street,
which
is
70
above
the
average
that
we've
been
seeing,
and
so
far
this
month,
we've
gotten
470
crime
guns
off
of
the
street.
H
H
What
does
this
look
like,
and
I
said
in
late
persons
terms,
the
best
thing
I
can
do
to
describe
is
you're
going
to
see
far
more
police
officers
in
areas
where
we
know
that
we're
experiencing
these
increases,
but
in
the
in
other
words
it
not
only
are
we,
you
know
increasing
our
arrests,
but
we
are
putting
task
force
together
to
ensure
that
we're
completely
focused
on
the
areas
that
we
need
to
be
focused
on.
When
you
look
at
the
left
side
of
the
screen.
H
So
we
were
asked.
What's
the
trend
in
the
in
the
crime
guns
that
we're
that
we're
getting
off
the
street?
You
know
the
atf
and
others
throughout
the
nation
have
begun
to
emphasize
the
term
crime
gun,
and
you
see
there
in
the
top
right.
The
definition
of
a
crime
gun
is
any
gun
recovered
by
the
police
as
part
of
a
criminal
investigation
and
that
doesn't
count
guns
from
buy
backs
or
turn
ins
or
guns
surrendered
to
us
for
safekeeping.
H
So
these
numbers
that
we're
looking
at
you
know
we
use
these
the
term
crime
gun
to
distinguish
our
efforts
to
disrupt
gun,
violence
and
target
crime
guns
from
arguments
and
politics
of
the
second
amendment
issue.
So
we
we
can
be
really
really
clear.
All
of
the
data
that
we're
discussing
is
related
to
guns
that
were
recovered
as
part
of
a
criminal
investigation.
H
This
slide
really
emphasizes
time
to
crime
and
focuses
on
the
average
age
of
possessors
that
we're
seeing
here
we
get
asked
a
lot
about
firearms
tracing
firearms
tracing
is
the
process
in
which
we
discover
we
come
across
a
firearm
at
a
crime
scene,
and
then
we
want
to
retrace
or
find
the
origins
or
the
sources
of
these
firearms
in
order
to
get
investigative
leads.
But
what
a
key
takeaway
from
this
slide
you'll
see
that
I'm
gonna
work
from
right
to
left
on
this
one.
H
time
to
crime.
Shifting
to
the
left
side
of
the
slide
time
to
crime
is
an
important
characteristic
of
crime,
gun,
intelligence
and
here's.
Why,
when
the
time
from
purchase
to
the
use
of
the
gun
in
a
crime
is
a
long
period
of
time,
there's
really
less
investigative
value
in
the
original
source
of
the
gun
or
the
first
sale
that's
obtained
from
tracing,
because
the
gun
might
have
changed
hands
multiple
times,
whether
legal
or
illegal.
H
But
when
that
time
from
purchase
to
crime
is
shorter
in
length,
we
find
that
there's
more
value.
So
that's
when
ppd
the
ag
atf
and
other
law
enforcement
partners.
We
all
coordinate
to
investigate
these
occurrences,
which
sometimes
will
yield
us
drop
purchasers,
multiple
criminal
purchases
or
other
useful
information
about
gun
crimes,
and
if
the
level
of
investigation
uncovered
improper
activity
with
a
dealership,
then
the
atf
would
further
investigate
the
ffl
dealer
next
slide.
Please.
H
H
Naivan,
is
managed
by
the
atf
and
it's
used
by
local
law
enforcement
throughout
the
country
to
connect
evidence
from
multiple
crime
scenes
to
identify
firearms
used
in
shootings
and
to
disrupt
the
cycle
of
violence.
It's
a
database
for
firearms
evidence
that
allows
us
the
ppd
to
compare
cartridge,
casings
recovered
at
a
crime
scene
to
each
other
and
other
crime
guns.
H
This
slide
here
tells
us
or
shows
a
comparison
between
entries
and
the
numbers
of
hits
an
entry
again
is
when
we
recover
a
fire
cartridge
case
or
a
test-fired
cartridge
case.
That's
been
entered
and
then
a
lead
or
a
hit
is
when
there's
an
association
between
said
cartridge
case
from
different
locations
with
each
other
or
or
a
test-fire
cartridge
case
from
a
known
firearm.
H
That
indicates
that
same
firearm
was
used
at
each
of
their
related
scenes,
and
so
this
bullet
point
on
the
bottom
right
is
an
example
of
a
successful
knight
in
entry.
So
due
to
our
program
that
we
have
in
place
during
a
joint
operation
with
the
u.s
attorney's
office,
atf
and
ourselves,
it
resulted
in
the
arrest
of
a
very
violent
member
of
a
noble
street
game,
and
I
can't
give
too
many
more
details
without
disclosing
more.
H
But
that
person
is
still
in
custody
and
being
detained
on
one
million
dollars
bill
on
state
firearms
charges
and
probation
violations.
We
were
able
to
do
that
because
of
the
collaboration
and
again
having
our
federal
partners
at
the
table
to
ensure
that
this
happened
in
a
timely
manner.
Next
slide,
please.
H
You
know
that
pennsylvania
is
considered
a
gun-friendly
state
and
because
of
that,
most
guns
that
are
used
in
pennsylvania
originated
here
in
pennsylvania,
they're,
typically
purchased
and
stolen
closer
to
where
the
people
who
use
them
will
live.
So
what
you're?
Seeing
here
again,
this
is
just
a
breakdown
of
the
guns
that
we've
traced
so
far
in
2020
73
originated
here
in
in
pennsylvania.
H
You
see
the
breakdowns
of
where
they
originated,
whether
it's
philadelphia
or
outside
of
philadelphia
here
in
the
state.
But
you
also
see
that
the
most
common
non-pennsylvania
source
states
include
virginia
georgia,
south
carolina
north
carolina,
delaware,
florida
and
west
virginia,
and
to
combine
that
percentage
is
16.
H
We
typically
don't
provide
a
list
of
gun
dealers.
We
do
not
maintain
data
on
dealers
that
sold
firearms.
However,
that
data
is
accessible
to
us
through
our
partnership
with
the
atf.
It
can
be
used
to
investigate
a
crime
or
a
crime
gun
once
it's
been
recovered
to
determine
whether
there
are
any
inconsistencies
in
the
original
sale.
H
H
But
every
year
hundreds
of
firearms
are
reported,
stolen
from
burglaries
and
thefts
and
then
they're
redistributed
back
into
the
illegal
gun
market
and
that's
what
the
numbers
are
telling
us
here
on
the
right
side.
The
orange
at
the
bottom
are
the
stolen
guns
from
otto's
and
our
sacrifice
and
then
the
red
on
the
top
or
the
stolen
guns
from
burglaries.
But
again
these
are
our
top
10
districts
for
gun
recoveries
next
slide.
H
So
continuing
on
with
this
again,
the
data
above
is
for
2020,
but
there's
really
no
significant,
significant
difference
in
the
types
of
guns.
So
we're
often
asked
what's
the
trend
in
the
types
of
guns
that
we're
getting
off
the
street.
The
semi-automatic
nine
millimeter
pistols
continue
to
be
the
vast
majority
of
the
crime
guns
traced
year
after
year
and,
as
you
can
see,
it's
about
77
and
46
of
those
were
nine
millimeters.
H
C
H
H
H
I
I
want
to
point
out
before
we
go
to
the
next
slide.
You
know
I
talked
about
how
the
ghost
guns
can
be
assembled
by
the
consumer,
just
a
point
on
the
3d
guns,
they're,
really
popular
magazines
and
websites-
and
you
know,
there's
3d
printers
and
all
of
these
things
that
are
available
to
the
common
person.
And
you
know,
once
someone
decides
to
use
this
information
and
utilize
the
resources
they
really
could
produce
a
functional
firearm.
That
would
also
be
untraceable
by
our
serial
number
and
again.
H
So
here
are
some
trends
when
you
look
at
proportions
of
fatal
non-fatal,
no
injury,
shootings
again
the
orange
or
the
shooting
incidences
at
the
bottom,
with
no
victims,
red
is
non-fatal
shooting
victims
and
then
the
firearm
higher
massage
victims
are
purple
ones
at
the
top.
Moving
from
left
to
right.
When
you
look
at
the
numbers
between
2015
and
2019,
our
fatal
and
non-fatal
shooting
victims
have
increased
15
and
33
percent
respectively.
H
H
So
when
you
compare
the
similar
periods,
pre
and
post,
our
shootings
have
increased,
but
it
mirrors
previous
year's
seasonal
increases
and
then,
lastly,
for
this
slide,
when
you
look
at
post
code
2020,
there
have
been
653
firearm
discharges
that
have
comprised
of
10
fatals
49
percent
foreign
discharges
with
no
victims.
So
that's
the
same
information
that
you
see
here.
It's
just
translating
the
numbers
into
percentages
next
cycles.
H
Here's
what's
also
of
note-
and
this
is
why
I
say
we
all
acknowledge,
including
us-
that
there's
more
to
be
done
specifically
on
our
part,
that
trend
line
at
the
top
are
clearance
rates
and
our
corresponding
clearance
rates
are
declining
slowly
with
a
very
notable
drop
in
2020
and
again
I'm
moving
left
to
right.
But
it's
still
the
same
so
you'll
see
in
2020
that
percentage
for
the
twin
for
the
trend
line.
H
That's
telling
us
where
we
are
our
homicide
clearance
rates
dropped
from
41
and
2015
to
and
as
of
today,
this
changes
to
29
in
2020.
I
want
to
remind
folks
that
when
we,
and
actually
is
that
number
right-
kevin
we're
at
42,
but
even
still
it's
it's
dropped
terribly.
When
I
first
got
here
for
homicide
racing,
the
clearance
rate
was
doing
really
well
at
hovering
over
62,
and
then
it
slowly
got
to
50
percent
and
then
in
recent
days
it
was
at
about
42.
So
I'm
not
sure.
H
If
that
29
is
accurate,
it
could
be
our
non-fatal.
Shooting
clearance
rates
have
dropped
from
27
in
2015
to
16
in
2020.
Again
we
acknowledge
there's
just
a
lot
more.
That
can
be
done
here
and
again.
We
are
open
to
feedback
and
also
really
interested
in
implementing
new
ideas
of
creativity
around
how
we
investigate
how
we
partner
with
others,
to
investigate
and
really
do
some
serious
quality
assurance
in
real
time
to
ensure
that
we're
incorporating
any
feedback
to
ensure
that
we
can
do
better
with
the
clearance
rates
around
these
issues
next
slide,
please.
H
This
slide
is
the
same
information,
but
for
robberies
that
involve
guns,
our
arrests
and
clearance
race
and
then
the
same
thing
on
the
right
side,
with
our
aggravated
assaults,
arrests
and
clearance
breaks
and,
as
you
see
again,
moving
from
left
to
right,
our
robbery
gun
offenses
have
actually
dropped.
25
city-wide
from
2015
to
2019
and
our
clearance
rates
have
also
been
slightly
decreasing
from
21
in
2015
to
19
and
2019..
H
F
H
Yes-
and
I
can
refer
to
director
thomas
if
you
want
to
go
more
into
the
data
and
how
we
got
to
this,
but
that's
exactly
what
that
means.
This
is
showing
that
folks
that
were,
if
you're,
referring
to
that
last
bullet
point
sir.
These
are
individuals
that
have
been
re-arrested
for
buffa,
meaning
that
they
had
previous
gun
crime
arrests
before
so
this.
This
data
is
for
those
who
had
previous
arrests
within
three
years,
and
so
those
individuals
that
we're
rearresting
we're
seeing
an
increase
from
10
back
in
2015
to
17.
D
So,
on
the
next
slide,
the
commissioner
can
go
into
a
few
other
dynamics
that
may
be
going
on
it's
in
order,
in
terms
of
exactly
the
reason
why
we
would
have
to
do
a
little
bit
more
research
to
figure
that
out.
But
what
it
does
indicate
is
that
there
seems
to
be
a
pattern
between
2015
and
2020,
where
individuals,
even
with
with
a
record,
are
more
willing
to
carry
a
firearm.
H
If
there
are
things
that
we
on
the
investigative
end
that
we
need
to
do
to
improve,
we
need
to
know
that
if
we
have
issues
you
know
just
anything
on
our
end,
we
want
to
know
what
we're
doing
to
contribute
to
these
decreases
that
we're
seeing.
So
what
we're
finding
is
that,
while
our
buffalo
arrests
have
been
increasing,
the
percentage
of
our
convictions
have
been
steadily
decreasing
from
70
to
3.
H
H
So
with
that,
I
will
open
it
up
for
any
questions.
Again.
I
have
my
executive
team
here
with
me.
If
we
have
any
questions
specifically
around
the
guns
and
gun
recovery,
I
would
convert
into
garvey
anything
around
the
data.
I
would
refer
to
director
thomas.
So
we
are
here
for
questions
and
thank
you.
C
Yes,
thank
you
very
much,
commissioner,
outlaw
for
a
very
thorough
and
detailed
report.
Just
a
couple
questions
before
I
turn
over
to
my
colleagues,
one
one
of
the
slides
looked
at
the
recovery
of
individuals
who
are
carrying
and
using
guns
and
is
steadily
increased
without
even
using
pedestrian
stops
in
cars,
and
I
would
think,
also
pulling
people
over
right.
What
tactics
are
being
used,
because
I
know
oftentimes
when
some
people
believe
it
or
not
in
the
african
american
community.
C
C
That's
one
question
and
then
two
also
do
we
have
a
a
database,
a
a
database
of
individuals
who
are
known
to
carry
firearms
known
who
are
engaged
in
illegal
acts
with
firearms?
I
was,
I
was
told
in
brief
to
other
states,
have
a
database
system
that
actually
tracks
individuals,
and
I
don't
call
it
profiling
because
I
live
in
the
hood.
I
just
know
who
carry
guns
or
who
don't
upfront
with
you
right,
and
so
I
wanted
an
idea
have
something
like
that
been
taking
a
look
at.
C
Have
we
taken
a
look
at
and
third
in
terms
of
the
homicide
and
that
clearance
rate?
Obviously
I
work
with
a
lot
of
family
members
who
are
victims
of
dumb
violence
who
are
advocates.
I
know
you
had
a
chance
to
meet
with
them
some
time
ago,
and
I
remember
them
calling
me
after
on
the
roundtable
discussion
that
we
had
and
they
had
ideas
around
the
homicide
detectives
being
equipped
with
cell
phones,
so
they
can
work
in
partnership
with
the
victims
and
families
of
those
who
have
lost
loved
ones
to
gun
violence.
C
And
I
want
to
put
one
more
left
next,
one
out
there.
I
have
to
ask
this
for
the
record
and
how
do
you
go
about?
What's
the
procedure
regarding
paperwork
when
individuals
are
arrested
because
again,
some
guys
on
the
streets
say
they
get
off
on
technicalities
and
those
technicalities
is
based
upon
how
the
officers
are
basically
processing
paperwork.
H
D
H
I'm
gonna
defer
the
question
around
tactics
and
our
procedures
for
paperwork
to
the
first
deputy
mel
singleton,
but
with
that
said,
I
do
want
to
acknowledge
and
make
very
clear
that
I
do
believe-
and
I've
said
this
before.
I
do
believe
that
stop
and
frisk
is
an
important
tool,
but
I
also
you
know
also
recognize
that
there
are
parameters,
and
you
know
we
have
to
be
careful.
We
have
to
balance
and
ensure
that
we're
not
over
policing
we're,
not
stopping
anything
that
moves
and
utilizing
this
tool.
H
So
simply
because
we
can
that's
where
data
comes
in,
that's
where
how
we're
ensuring
that
again
we're
laser
focused.
It
may
appear
that
we're
stopping
more
folks
in
a
certain
area
because
the
crime
might
be
higher
in
that
area.
There's
a
lot
of
determinants
that
may
lead
to
that,
but
I
also
recognize,
especially
in
light
of
this
last
report
that
came
out.
H
I
heard
actually
a
few
suggestions
not
only
around
diversifying
our
pool
of
investigators
or
our
detectives,
but
giving
cell
phones
to
all
of
our
detectors.
I
recently
had
the
opportunity
to
pop
up
in
homicide,
and
you
know
a
lot
of
the
things
that
we
recognized
years
ago,
a
lot
of
the
tools
that
they
need
to
be
set
up
to
thrive
and
be
successful.
H
They
still
don't
have
so
while
supervisors
have
cell
phones,
the
average
detective
does
not.
I
saw
I
walked
through
there.
I
saw
folks
sharing
phones,
they
have
to
share
terminal
space.
So
if
I
get
this
hot
video
that
I
need
to
review,
I
don't
have
an
open
computer
terminal
with
all
the
software
needed
to
go
and
immediately
view
it.
I
happened
to
turn
around
in
mid
conversation
because
I
heard
a
click
clacking
behind
me
and
it
was
because
somebody
was
typing
up
a
warrant
using
carbon
paper
on
a
typewriter.
H
These
things
are
unacceptable
and
I
think
there's
a
belief
that
the
pd
has
a
budget
for
oit.
You
know
related
items
and
certain
things
that
you
don't
these
things
come
from
from
oit.
So
I
think
we
also,
in
addition
to
you,
know
looking
at
the
things
that
we
need
to
do
to
be
successful,
to
improve
these
clearance
rates.
We
also
need
to
give
folks
what
they
need
in
order
to
do
a
lot
of
the
things
the
community's
asking
them
to
do.
C
C
Also
the
mayor
have
moved
the
workers
who
monitor
the
students
that
go
swimming
from
school
from
the
police
department
to
under
the
emerging
director's
office,
which
really
isn't
a
budget
cut,
is
pretty
much
just
moving
and
housing
the
administration
of
the
the
patrol
officers
who
monitor
our
students
going
to
and
from
school
to
another
department.
So
I
guess
I
want
to
ask.
C
We
have
increased
the
budget
120
million
over
the
past
year,
since
the
mayor
has
been
there
and
so
like,
and
this
is
before
your
time.
So
that
has
nothing
to
do
with
you,
but
I
guess
it
begs
your
question.
I
have
the
second
highest
budget
expense
in
city.
Government
first
is
pensions,
and
this
is
the
fluid
after
police
department,
right,
760
million
right
and-
and
I
know
a
significant
amount
of
salaries.
C
I
know
some
is
overtime,
so
it
still
kind
of
begs
the
question
with
that
type
of
budget
and
that
type
of
that
type
of
budget
who's,
like
basically
prioritizing
saying
okay
with
this
type
of
money
that
we
do
have,
we
want
to
invest
this
amount
of
money
into
our
homicide
because
it's
important
that
they
have
what
they
need.
I
mean
it
just
kind
of
begs
to
ask
that
question.
We
talk
about
resources.
H
Absolutely
and
I
think,
that's
a
fair
question
and
I
really
think,
depending
on
the
time
you
know,
I'm
not
pointing
your
fingers
at
anybody
who's
sitting
in
the
chair.
We
adapt
to
the
needs
and
prioritize
the
needs
of
that
time.
So
you
know
we
can
chip
away
at
some
things,
and
you
know
again:
the
supervisors
did
get
cell
phones
that
was
asked
for,
and
that
was
answered.
But
again
as
technology
changes
as
the
pandemic
came,
we
see
that
we're
relying
our
you
know
even
more
upon
technology
than
we
ever
had
to
before.
H
So
even
the
ask
today
that
we
have
might
have
been
different
before
the
pending
right
and
what
we
put
in
there
in
the
budget
really
were
focused
around
accountability
and
also
just
saying:
okay,
here's
what
we
need,
because
we
want
to
strengthen
accountability
but
really
not
realizing
how
much
we'd
be
relying
upon
technology
moving
forward
and
how
this
becomes
normalized.
But
I
also
want
to
answer
your
questions
about
tactics
and
procedures
around
paperwork.
So,
commissioner,
singleton,
do
you
want
to
address
that.
B
So
in
the
past,
strategically
we
would,
if
we
had
a
hot
spot
area,
we
would
send
additional
manpower
into
that
area,
and
what
we
found
is
that,
obviously,
that
negatively
impacted
the
communities,
because
officers
had
the
tendency
to
stop
again
to
the
commissioner's
point,
everything
that
was
moving
now
we're
more
strategic
right
and
now
we
are
more
targeted.
We
make
sure
that
information
is
given
to
officers.
We
have
a
59.6
decrease
in
pest
stocks,
however,
because
we
do
know
who
our
frequent
flyers
are.
B
B
We
do
a
better
job
of
making
sure
that
intelligence
information
is
given
to
officers,
and
we
are
looking
for
descriptions
of
cars
or
known
cars,
tags,
colors
individuals,
making
sure
that
we
are
stopping
those
folks
and
what's
proof
of
that
is
the
fact
that
we're
running
into
more
guns
as
we
are
stopping
less
people,
and
so
that's
how
we're
doing
it?
Those
are
the
tactics.
H
Yeah
and
it
could
also
be-
and
before
we
transition
to
the
the
answer,
the
question
you
have
about
databases,
sir:
it
could
also
very
well
be
that
folks
are
more
empowered
or
emboldened
for
whatever
reason
to
carry
a
gun.
We
don't
know
what
those
reasons
are.
I
wish
we
had
an
answer,
but
we
don't
director
thomas.
Do
you
want
to
address
the
database
question.
D
So,
just
to
repeat
the
the
question:
it
was
specifically
around
databases
of
individuals
that
that
are
connected
to
how
we
stop
shooters,
yes,
known
shooters.
So
while
we
don't
keep
a
database
per
se,
what
we
we
do
maintain
at
intelligence
and
identify
individuals
within
hotspot
areas,
like
the
deputy
commissioner,
stated
that
are
driving
gun
violence
in
those
hot
spots.
D
We
understand
that
there's
a
very
small
percentage
of
individuals
who
are,
and
so
we
worked
with
the
officers
in
the
field
to
develop
the
kind
of
information
necessary
to
share
that
information,
and
that's
typically
done
through
analysts,
both
in
the
districts
and
with
analysts
at
the
intelligence
bureau
itself.
We
then
take
that
information.
We
vet
it
with
other
information
and
we
combined
it,
and
then
we
published
intelligence
and
provided
to
the
street.
So
I
wouldn't
necessarily
say:
there's
a
database
per
se.
F
Thank
you
miss.
Thank
you,
mr
chairman,
so
you
touched
on
some
of
my
issues
that,
with
less
stop
and
frisk,
we
are
getting
more
guns
off
the
street
which
I'm
impressed
with.
I
want
to
go
back
to
the
slide
with
the
age
of
people
with
guns
and
ask:
is
there
a
trend
of
them
getting
younger?
Are
they
getting
younger?
Are
we
finding
people
in
possession
of
guns
getting
younger?
Second
part
of
that
question?
Do
they
matriculate
into
actually
not
just
gun
possession
but
assault
and
shooting
people
with
guns.
H
So
I
think
my
answer
would
be
anecdotal.
I
don't
want
to
give
you
an
anecdotal
response,
even
though,
after
even
meeting
with
some
community
members
today,
they
told
me
that
these
folks
out
here
are
getting
younger
and
younger,
because
the
folks
who
are
now
considered
the
mentors
of
the
street
are
also
young
in
age
and
so
we're
seeing
the
varying
levels
of
respect.
H
You
know,
terminology
is
different
than
we
use
here
in
philly,
then
you
know
we're
using
from
where
I'm
from.
But
you
know
in
a
lot
of
cases,
an
og
is
an
og
and
young
folks.
Don't
have
that
same
level
of
respect.
So
I
think
that's
why
we're
beginning
to
see
our
shooting
victims,
our
household
younger
ages,
as
well,
because
when
you
even
look
at
at
least
one
of
the
victims
from
last
night,
that
was
a
terrible
scene
by
the
way.
H
D
Sure
so
I
would
have
to
look
at
the
exact
numbers
and
get
back
to
you
guys.
However,
I
would
mention
that
there's
a
there's,
a
number
of
factors
that
could
occur
to
actually
drive
those
numbers.
We
typically
even
see
changes
in
census,
demographics
in
philadelphia,
where
different
cohorts
and
population
of
younger
individuals
may
end
up
shifting
who,
how
it
looks
in
terms
of
who's
actually
carrying
firearms
or
who's
getting
arrested
for
vufa.
But
we
could
look
at
that
and
and
see
what
sort
of
trends
that
we
detect
I'll
get
back
to
you.
D
F
Since
we're
looking
at
things
and
if
you
were
a
part
of
putting
together
not
only
today's
presentation
but
yesterday's
presentation,
it
was
very
well
presented
and
thought
out.
It
has
restored
my
belief
that
we
can
actually
put
a
dent
in
this
and
maybe
just
maybe
stem
the
tide.
I
really
you
know,
I'm
optimistic
that
we
have
the
ingredients
to
do
it,
but
everybody
is
going
to
have
to
take
their
own
hill,
take
their
own
lane
and
hold
their
own
position.
F
F
I
need
to
absolutely
wait.
I'm
not
done!
I
need
to
know
their
age
because
something
at
last
night's
round
table
with
young
people.
One
of
the
concerning
things
was
that
they
did
not
have
a
sense
of
hope
that
they
believed
their
life
was
over
before
it
even
started,
and
that,
what's
the
difference,
if
I
go
to
school,
what's
the
difference.
F
I
need
you
to
research.
Is
there
are
different
types
of
shootings
and
different
types
of
homicide
and
they
have
preventive
measures
that
are
different
as
well.
If
you're
trying
to
stop
domestic
violence,
that
is
a
whole
different
methodology
on
how
to
prevent
that.
We
have
the
red
flag
law
that
we
put
forward.
Councilman,
councilmember,
johnson
and
we'd
like
to
see
how
that
is
working
to
take
guns
out
of
the
homes
of
potential
people
that
are
going
to
victimize
their
partner.
F
But
if
you
are
about
this
culture
of
facebook,
twitter
gangsters,
that
is
a
whole
nother
process
that
we
need
to
follow
and,
and
then
crimes
of
economics
is
a
different
one.
So
we
need
to
kind
of
take
those
100
shooters.
How
did
you
get
there?
Was
it
because
you
were
trying
to
get
pampers
for
your
baby,
or
was
it
because
someone
insulted
you
on
twitter?
If
we
can
start
to
dissect
that
and
start
to
die
set
it,
we
can
develop
processes
that
might
be
able
to
prevent
it.
A
I
want
to
go
back
to
some
of
the
data
sets
you
outlined
around
some
of
the
gun
shooting
and
how
are
you
tying
in
the
gun,
shootings
to
the
other
activities
related
to
the
gun
crime
drop,
and
I
want
to
use
the
example.
I
know
you
looked
at
the
24th
and
25th
are
most
of
those
crimes
related
to
drugs
and
is
the
failure
for
clearance
rate
or
and
or
the
increase
in
recidivism
related
to
a
particular
activity
like
drugs.
A
How
are
you
guys
using
these
numbers,
to
inform
that
and
then
give
me
one
or
two
things
we
did
well
in
the
recovery
of
those
guns,
one
or
two
things
we're
going
to
do
better
moving
forward
and
what
is
what
should
be
my
expectation
as
the
district
council
person
who
represents
those
two
districts
about
what
I'm
going
to
be
seeing
differently
over
the
next
few
months.
Thank
you.
H
Thank
you
for
your
questions,
okay,
so
I
want
to
make
sure
that
I
captured
everything
again
for
all
the
operational
questions,
I'm
going
to
turn
that
over
to
the
first
deputy,
but
I
do
want
to
say
that
that
we
are
seeing
some
strong
nexus
nexus
connections
between
narcotics
and
a
lot
of
the
shootings
that
we're
seeing
the
recidivism
piece.
Don't
know
if
we
can
answer
that
and
again.
I
think
this
is
why
it's
really
important
to
not
only
share
information,
because
we
we
see
the
numbers,
but
we
don't
necessarily
have
the.
Why?
H
If
it's
something
that
we
need
to
improve
upon
again
getting
that
feedback
in
real
time
the
ability
to
do
quality
assurance
across
the
board.
I
think
it
would
help
us
in
that.
So
we
can't
really
give
you
an
answer,
but
I
will
turn
it
over
to
commissioner
singleton
as
far
as
what
works.
Well,
I
think
the
examples
that
we
gave
in
some
of
the
earlier
slides.
We
know
work
really.
Well,
I
think
we
specifically
now
in
your
area.
H
B
Yes,
commissioner,
first
I'll
say
that,
in
terms
of
motive,
what
we
see
in
our
homicides
is
that
we
have
our
primary
motive
is
arguments,
drugs
and
retaliation
in
that
order,
arguments,
drugs
and
retaliation,
and
so
we
would
need
to
break
that
out,
obviously
per
division
per
district.
We
can
absolutely
do
that.
That
all
being
said
to
answer
your
question,
we
know
obviously,
that
we
are
capable
of
getting
guns
off
the
streets,
we're
doing
that.
Well,
we.
B
What
we
need
to
do
better
is
to
make
sure
the
commissioner
indicated
that
our
seizure
of
these
guns
and
the
rest
of
these
guns
are
solid,
that
they
are
provide
the
d.a
with
the
ability
to
effectively
prosecute
those
guns.
We
need
to
make
sure
we've
had
meetings
with
the
d.a.
We
will
continue
to
meet
with
the
d.a,
we're
also
meeting
with
the
bell
commissioners,
the
district
attorney
office,
public
offenders,
everyone
to
make
sure
we're
all
on
the
same
page
about
when
we
identify
our
young
man.
That's
a
recidivist
someone.
B
If
we
do
that,
so
we're
looking
to
do
that
better,
making
sure
that
included
in
our
gun
arrest
that
we're
better
at
it
and
making
sure
that
we're
working
with
all
of
our
partners
to
make
sure
that
folks
don't
get
right
back
out
on
the
street.
Those
who
should
be
held.
Those
are
the
things
that
we're
working
on,
because
it's
important
also.
We
know
that
our
possession
will
intend
to
deliver
a
rest.
B
B
The
district
attorney's
office
bill
commissioners,
judges
making
sure
that
when
we
identify
a
person-
and
we
get
that
information
through
the
pipeline
from
our
officers
on
the
ground
to
the
detectives
to
the
adas-
that's
working
with
us
into
the
hands
of
the
judges
and
the
bell,
commissioners-
that
we
are
all
on
the
same
page
with
saying
that
if
it's
male
singleton
that
we
identify
that
no
singleton
doesn't
fall
through
the
cracks
right
because
we're
locking
this
person
up
numerous
times.
So
these
are
the
things
that
we're
working
on
to
get
better.
B
At
last
thing
I
will
mention
is
that
there
was
a
slide
concerning
our
shooting
review
meetings
in
the
past
those
category
of
things,
detainers
working
with
prisons,
working
asking
for
probation
and
parole
help
our
probation
officer
help
the
districts
and
divisions
and
detective
divisions
in
units.
Individual
units
was
left
up
to
their
own
diligence.
To
do
those
things
now
is
coordinated.
B
A
That's
going
on
in
there,
and
I
know
that
the
city
and
all
of
us
are
doing
a
whole
lot
of
work
around
the
opioids,
the
homelessness
and
other
things
and
has
forced
you
know
the
police
officers
to
be
on
the
front
line.
You
know
they're
doing
trash
duty,
they're,
doing
food
duty,
they're
doing
all
things
they
shouldn't
be
doing
and
therefore
not
focused
in
light
of
the
fact
that
some
of
the
gun,
violence
and
when
you
do
the
research
is
related
to
narcotics.
A
I
I'd
want
to
see
the
police
department
be
able
to
articulate
a
focus
right,
a
narcotics
focus
strategy
and
east
division.
Right
and
again,
I
know
that
we
have
to
get
the
administration
to
take
the
other
stuff
off
your
plate.
So
you
can
focus
in
on
that,
but
we
need
to
get
to
and
I
believe,
east
division
lower
northeast.
That
includes
the
15th
police
district,
because
we're
getting
the
spillover
to
the
15th.
Now
we
need
a
focus
review
on
the
narcotics
trade,
the
open
air
markets.
A
You
know
I
spent
eight
years
battling
with
ramsay.
I
would
say
what
are
we
doing
about
open
air
markets?
You
say:
they've
been
on
I'd
list,
12
corners
off
the
top
of
my
head,
and
we
did
that
for
eight
years,
there's
a
sense
of
urgency
now
around
reclaiming
of
these
of
these
communities.
So
I
appreciate
the
leadership
of
my
council
colleagues
on
this
and
I
can
tell
you
that
there
is
nothing
more
important
right
now
than
being
able
to
get
a
handle
on
this.
We
need
to.
A
We
need
to
all
right
people,
don't
separate
one
part
of
government
with
the
other.
We
all
need
to
be
confident
when
we
say
we're
going
to
do
things
differently.
We
have
a
focus.
This
is
urgent
and
and
create
our
own
public
dashboard
about
how
people
are
going
to
hold
all
of
the
units
accountable.
So,
thank
you
very
much
and
I
know
this
is
not
easy
work
and
it's
not
for
the
faint
of
heart
and
I
appreciate
everyone's
effort.
B
And
I
appreciate
that
I
just
want
to
quickly
add
that
it's
the
reason
why
we're
saying
we
will
continue
to
say
that
two
types
of
arrests
we
have
to
collectively
take
seriously,
which
is
vufa
violation
of
uniform
firearm
acts,
arrest
and
our
quids
our
possession
with
intent
to
deliver
those
two
things
we
have
to
take.
They
are
directly
tied
to
each
other.
B
C
C
C
H
H
Ahead
and
walk
through
the
process,
but
before
you
do,
though,
this
is
why
I
stress
again
the
need
for
a
strong
quality
assurance
program,
a
system
in
place,
so
that
if
there
is
a
technicality
or
a
procedural
issue,
an
oversight
whatever
it
is
on
our
part.
We
need
to
know
what
that
is
in
real
time,
because,
again,
once
it
leaves
us,
we
don't
know
what
happens
with
it.
We
don't
have
the
ability
to
follow
it.
B
So,
depending
on
what
we're
talking
about,
whether
it's
a
gun,
arrest
or
a
possession
with
intent
to
deliver
arrest,
we
have
officers
individual
ability
to
observe
and
articulate
that
information
on
paperwork,
for
instance,
a
site,
narcotics
arrest
by
an
officer
right,
there's
some
particular
things
that
you
need
to
have
seen,
which
is
the
exchanging
of
the
items
for
united
states
currency,
the
officer
document
that
site
arrests
on
paper
and,
obviously
after
they
make
arrests.
These
things
are
placed
on
property
receipts.
B
The
information
is
articulated
on
the
paperwork
and
we
present
that
for
charging
the
technicalities
could
be
challenged
in
terms
of
what
the
officer
saw
right
and
his
ability
to
see
distance.
Apart
from
that,
all
those
type
things
come
into
play
in
court.
In
terms
of
that,
so
at
times
you
would
see
a
situation
where
we
ought
to
do
a
better
job
of
articulating
our
probable
calls
for
the
stock
right
and
that's
something
that
we
consistently
and
constantly
work
on
in
terms
of
the
police
department
but
other
times.
B
I
know
that
the
actual
what
the
officer
saw
that
his
ability
to
see
and
his
articulation
of
that
and
paperwork
is
something
that's
challenged
in
court.
So
when
I
hear
folks
saying
technicalities-
and
I
know
from
actually
doing
it,
what
we
see
is
challenged
and
sometimes
depending
on
how
it's
presented
a
case,
could
be
one
on
the
defense
side.
C
He
has
the
opportunity,
but
I
also
remember
an
officer
to
talk
about
this
when
I
had
a
special
committee
on
gun
violence
round
table
in
city
hall,
in
the
caucus
room,
this
arizona
versus
white,
like
you,
can't
just
arrest
a
person
because
miss
maymay
on
the
corner
called
and
said
ms
maymay
said
a
young
man
staying
on
the
corner
of
my
block
and
he
has
a
gun
on
him.
So
is
it
true
that
the
officer
can't
engage
and
can't
approach
that
person
that's
standing
on
the
corner?
B
Yeah
another
challenging
case
we
have
is
common
work
versus
hicks,
which
states
that
an
officer
cannot
stop
anyone
merely
because
they
see
him
in
possession
of
a
gun,
and
obviously
we
know
in
some
areas
of
philadelphia,
that's
problematic.
In
addition
to
the
calls
that
we
get.
However,
you
have
to
ask
yourself
what
is
an
officer
to
do
when
we
have
one
a
call
to
a
location
and
they
actually
see
a
person
with
a
weapon
the
officers
are
going
to
have
to,
because,
obviously
we're
not
going
to
let
someone
get
shot.
B
There
is
a
public
safety
issue
here,
so
officers
may
make
the
stop
conduct
to
stop
that.
Stop
is
going
to
be
challenged.
That
stop
is
going
to
be
challenging.
In
some
cases
we
may
lose
that,
but
we
do
get
that
gun
off
the
street,
and
so
not
every
time
you
can
say
it,
because
it's
a
predicament
the
officers
are
placed
in
now
we're
called
to
the
location.
We
may
actually
see
what
we're
being
called
to.
But
again
we
have
case
law
that
says
that
we
can't
merely
just
stop
that
person.
C
Okay,
now
I
just
wanted
to
ask
that
just
for
the
record,
because
I
heard
it
being
thrown
around
a
couple
of
times
since
I've
been
having
these
hairs
and
again,
obviously
for
the
record,
I'm
all
for
protecting
people's
civil
liberties,
I'm
black,
I
grew
up
in
the
hood.
I
know
noticed
like
being
pulled
over
in
a
variety
of
different
circumstances,
but,
however,
I
also
recognize
the
environment
which
I
lived
in
right
at
the
end
of
the
day,
I
live
in
point
breeze.
C
I've
been
here
all
my
life
haven't
gone
anywhere,
went
to
college
and
came
back
and
I
live
in
point
breeze
and
a
lot
of
people
are
terrified.
You
talk
to
some
senior
citizens
in
my
neighborhood
right,
they're,
much
more
conservative
and
aggressive
about
what's
not
about
what
should
be
being
done
as
related
to
their
safety.
We
have
children
going
to
and
from
school
that
don't
feel
safe,
and
so
it's
always
that
balanced
approach
that
the
commissioner
always
says.
C
We
have
to
have
a
balance
in
how
we
address
it,
because
there's
some
people
that
care
less,
that
we're
on
this
phone
call
on
this
town
hall.
On
this
committee
hearing
right
now
trying
to
address
this
is
a
very
dire
and
serious
issue,
but
can
care
less
and
care
less
about
the
people
lives
who
are
roaming,
the
streets
of
philadelphia
when
they're
trying
to
take
a
person's
life?
And
so
I
just
wanted
to
state
that
just
for
the
record,
councilman,
helen
kim
and
then
we'll
bring
up
our
next
penalties.
G
Thank
you
very
much,
mr
chairman.
I
appreciate
it
and
good
afternoon,
commissioner,
outlaw
and
to
your
team.
Thank
you.
You
know.
Obviously
I,
like
everybody
else
on
our
council
body
and
the
rest
of
the
city
of
philadelphia,
are,
you
know,
mourning
the
fact
that
last
night's
cr
you
know
quadruple
shootings
involving
all
teenagers
was
really
devastating
and
that
this
was
what
the
second
quadruple
shooting
that
we've
had
in
a
week,
which
is
you
know
just
it's
overwhelming
for
young
people.
G
H
H
G
Need
there,
and
so
I
don't
want
to
leave
it
that
open-ended.
I
think
the
question
is:
do
you
think
that
you're
the
primary
point
of
contact
for
victims
and
families
for
when,
when
these
gun
violence
situations
happen?
I
think
it's
more
than
just
asking
like,
of
course,
we
all
know
that
everybody
can
use
more
resources.
G
Should
more
resources
exist.
I
think
I
have
concerns
about
whether
we
are
actually
doing
enough
on
the
social
services
side,
because
if
it
is
primarily
police
point
of
contact,
I
think
we're
seeing
some
struggle
about
families
being
able
to
engage
with
that,
and
so
it's
asking
whether
from
your
vantage
point
as
a
member,
do
you
feel
like
you,
are
the
primary
point
of
contact
or
have
we
evened
it
out
so
that
you
are
just
one
point
of
contact.
H
I
I
wouldn't
say
it's
evened
out.
I
mean
again
as
the
program
on
that
end
begins
to
roll
out.
I
think
we'll
see
it
a
little
bit
more,
but
right
now
we're
we're
all
in
reactionary
mode
and,
as
we
see
the
social
services
piece
expand,
you
know
they'll
be
following
up
on
a
lot
of
their
own
initiatives,
which
they've
already
done,
but
just
on
a
smaller
scale.
H
That
means
something
has
already
happened,
so
I
think
it'll
happen,
but
right
now,
because
of
the
volume
that
we
all
are
dealing
with,
I
think
you
know
a
lot
of
the
information
is
flowing
from
us,
but
they
have
to
their
credit
they're.
Also
following
up
on
a
lot
of
things
that
they've
initiated
on
their
own.
G
And
do
you
feel
like
for
the
families
who
are
victims
and
sort
of
you
know
the
obviously
the
victim
themselves,
but
you
know
here
we're
dealing
with
like
four
young
people
and
obviously
you
know
we've
had
over
100
of
them.
You
know
impacted
this
year
alone.
The
do
you
feel
like
there's
enough
wrap
around
services
for
those
families
I
mean
you
know.
I
guess
part
of
the
concern
is,
is
that
I
know
the
school
district
gets
like
a
briefing
update
and
a
report.
G
G
Do
you
is
you
know
like
who
is
actually
communicating
with
that
child
that
that
young
person's
school
or
counselor
who's
you
know
like
following
up
and
making
sure
that
the
family's
been
not
just
dropping
off
paperwork
and
saying
here's
a
phone
number
to
call
in
case
you
need
help
or
you
know,
I'm
not
downplaying.
I
don't
want
to.
You
know
downplay
that
kind
of
outreach,
but
I
think
it's
like
a
much
more
aggressive
approach
towards
enveloping
the
family,
with
assistance
that
is
non-police
contact
related.
H
So
I'm
not
disagreeing
with
you
that
that
needs
to
happen
again.
I
can't
speak
to
who's
actually
doing
it.
I'll
actually,
obp
would
need
to
do
that.
We
know
that
that's
done,
but
how
they
do
that
who
they
utilize
and
how
far
they
go.
I
wouldn't
be
able
to
answer
that,
but
I
will
tell
you
you
know
when
we
come
with
the
uniform.
We
also
come
with
a
badge
and
a
gun
and
that's
an
immediate
barrier,
all
right
and
and
it's
not
just
family.
H
You
know
I
I
used
last
night
because
it
was
the
most
recent,
but
there's
been
many.
It's
not
just
family
that
are
impacted.
It's
the
residents
there.
That
might
not
even
know
those
who
were
involved
but
they're
traumatized
because
it
happened
at
their
doorstep
and
they're
reminded
of
this
each
and
every
time
that
they
walk
out.
I
was
stopped
by
a
resident
last
night
who
was
in
tears.
Who
was
shaking-
and
she
was
you
know,
going
back
and
forth
vacillating
between.
H
G
H
So
I
I
sit
on
the
executive
team,
meaning
that
you
know
we
come
together
to
collaborate
and
share
where
we
are
with
our
programs,
but
the
down
in
the
weeds
information
from
the
office
of
violence
prevention
side.
Who
exactly
does
what
I
think
you
have
to
work
through
vanessa
and
theron
and
shondell,
and
those
folks
to
be
able
to
give
you
that
exact
information?
That's
not
something.
I
think
I
can
do.
G
Okay
and
all
right,
that's
fine!
I
think
that
there
are
other
questions
I
might
ask.
I
just
wanted
to
double
down
a
little
bit
on
what
the
chairman
was
saying
earlier
about
the
cell
phones,
because
I
think
I
had
asked
that
of
you
as
well,
and
I
think
you
know
one
of
the
things
that
I
guess
I
would
say
recognizing
that
it's
resources
and
all
of
that-
and
I
appreciate
the
councilman
reminding
us
about
you-
know
the
police
department's
budget.
G
You
know
the
issue
about
cell
phones
is
not
just
about
the
technology,
and
I
think
we
had
talked
about
this
when
I
raised
it
earlier.
It's
about
the
ability
for
victims
to
feel
like
they
can
pick
up
the
phone
when
they're,
desperate
and
angry
or
frustrated
and
just
need
an
update
on
the
case,
and
they
can't
do
that,
and
you
know
it
sure
would
be
great
if
they
could
do
it
nine
to
five
and
that
you
know
the
the
detective
would
be
available.
G
C
I
I
I
I
heard
it
in
her
comments
in
her
data,
which
is
the
result
of
sharing
between
our
data
lab,
but
also
director,
thomas
with
the
department,
there's
some
very,
very
capable
data
people
who
are
doing
something
very
difficult,
which
is
bringing
more
data
on
prosecution
and
on
crime
to
the
da's
office,
to
the
ppd
and
to
philadelphians
than
I've
ever
seen
in
the
past.
So
I'm
very
heartened
by
hearing
the
spirit
of
collaboration,
the
candor.
I
I
agree
in
large
part
with
the
data
that
was
shown
and
was
expressed
by
the
ppd,
and
I
think
it's
an
excellent
first
step
towards
doing
exactly
what
the
commissioner
just
expressed
that
she
wants
to
do
and
exactly
what
I
want
to
do,
and
that
is
I'm
an
old
car
mechanic
you're
going
to
fix
a
car.
You
better
figure
out
what
parts
are
broken.
I
You
don't
want
to
switch
the
water
pump
when
you
need
a
gas
pump
and
the
only
way
we're
going
to
fix
anything
is
by
measuring
it.
I
know
we're
not
perfect.
The
commissioner
obviously
acknowledges
like
any
person.
The
ppd
is
not
perfect,
but
the
best
we're
going
to
be
able
to
do
is
by
measuring
things
and
working
together,
and
I
take
all
of
her
comments
very
much
in
that
light.
I
I
was
also
struck
by
her
comment
that
last
night,
the
shooting
of
four
young
people
was
a
terrible
scene
and
she
spoke
about
the
neighbor
coming
up,
crying
and
fearful
she.
She
also.
I
can
tell
you,
because
I
was
at
that
scene,
as
was
deputy
commissioner
first
deputy
commissioner
singleton,
as
was
director
garvey,
as
was
anthony
voci,
my
chief
of
homicide,
as
was
jilamar
stewart,
our
chief
of
outreach
here
and
a
few
other
people.
I
How
do
you
so
you
go
to
a
scene
like
that
you're
walking
around
after
10
p.m.
Dark
row
houses
not
especially
well
lit
you're
near
18th
and
more
streets
are
slick
and
there's
a
puddle
of
blood
and
it's
getting
rained
in
and
that
puddle
of
blood
is
where
a
17
year
old
used
to
be,
and
he
was
breathing
before
he
was
scooped
up
and
taken
away
and
he's
not
the
only
17
year
old
who
died
there.
You
have
another
17
year
old,
shot
in
the
hospital.
You
have
another
18
year
old,
shot
in
the
hospital.
I
Let
me
be
as
clear
as
I
possibly
can.
The
job
of
this
office
is
to
prosecute
people
who
do
things
like
that
and
it's
to
prosecute
them
justly
and
it
is
to
prosecute
them
vigorously
and
it
is
to
make
sure
that
they
are
accountable
for
the
harm
they
have
done
to
everyone,
and
that
harm
is
not
just
taking
the
lives
of
two
young
people:
barely
adults
on
the
cusp
of
being
adults
and
harming
the
others.
I
That
harm
includes
the
fact
that,
as
I
walk
down
those
streets,
those
neighbors
in
those
row
houses
well-maintained
row,
houses
were
either
hiding
or
if
they
were
looking
out
the
window,
they
looked
like
they'd,
seen
something
pretty
terrible
and,
as
I
walked
behind
a
woman
in
scrubs,
probably
a
nurse
coming
back
from
a
hospital
on
her
way
home.
She
turns
left
to
see
the
caution
tape.
She
turns
right
to
see
all
the
police
officers
and
their
cars
that
are
pulled
up.
She
turns
over
there.
I
I
The
harm
that
is
served
by
that
trauma
to
everyone
in
that
community
by
building
fear
in
that
community
by
making
it
so
kids
cannot
play
in
that.
That
community
is
almost
beyond
measure
and
then
there
is
also
the
harm
that
very
young
people-
and
it
was
very
young.
People
have
served
on
themselves
because
it's
a
cliche
but
I'll
say
it:
it's
either
the
cemetery
or
the
penitentiary.
They
did
not
just
end
the
lives
of
two
young
people
that
day.
I
I
You
know
it
gets
to
you,
and
it
makes
you
think
about.
Other
scenes
makes
you
think
about
zamar
jones,
where
councilman
jones
and
I
have
been
twice
the
seven-year-old
killed
on
his
porch
playing
with
a
toy
or
cianni
small
16
year
old,
at
22nd
and
schedule
nicolette
rivera
two
years
old,
3300
block
of
north
water
street
or
demetrius
moore
angelo
walker,
two
15
year
olds,
one
from
north
philly,
one
from
overbook.
I
You
think
about
that,
because
that
is
how
devastating
this
is
for
those
communities
for
those
families
for
every
single
person
involved,
and
this
office
is
dedicated
to
working
with
ppd
working
with
council.
We
will
work
with
anybody
who
wants
to
work
with
us,
including
every
grassroots
organization,
and
we
had
a
bunch
of
them
in
my
office
just
the
other
day.
We
will
work
with
anyone
who
wants
to
work
with
us,
because
this
has
to
change
now.
I
I
We
have
60
years
of
massive
disinvestment
in
philadelphia's
black
and
brown
communities,
40
years
of
mass
incarceration
and
everything
that
goes
with,
that
we
have
the
effects
of
the
200
2008
great
recession,
which
robbed
so
many
homeowners,
often
african-american
and
other
communities
of
family
wealth.
We
have
the
closing
of
23
public
schools,
mostly
in
the
black
and
brown
community.
I
We
have
an
accelerated
gentrification,
pushing
black
and
brown
communities
into
smaller
and
smaller
areas,
and
now
we
have
a
pandemic
covered
19
that
has
killed
over
180
000
people
infected
millions
caused
hundreds
of
millions
to
isolate
themselves
in
their
homes,
millions
of
people
to
be
unemployed
and
cause
major
institutions
like
churches,
mosques,
synagogues
businesses,
gyms
at
best
to
go
virtual
and
in
many
cases
to
have
to
shut
down
these
factors,
correlate
with
a
major
spiking
gun,
violence
of
31
or
so
right
now
in
philly
we're
over
300
murders.
But
we
are
not
alone.
I
I
There
is
the
only
way
to
deal
with.
This
is
a
major
united
effort
by
all
of
philadelphia's
institutions,
public
and
private,
and
that
is
how
we're
going
to
effectively
combat
it.
The
primary
work
of
the
da's
office
obviously,
is
not
prevention,
but
we
do
have
to
talk
about
prevention.
Our
primary
work
is
deterrence
through
the
fair
and
effective
administration
of
justice
and
we're
stepping
up
to
that
challenge.
I
Let
me
be
a
little
more
specific.
We
have
not
been
able
to
try
a
homicide
case
since
early
march,
it's
september
folks,
but
we
will
be
trying
our
first
homicide
case,
starting
on
tuesday
in
the
court
of
common.
Please,
thank
goodness.
The
courts
which
have
operated
in
a
minimal
way
are
now
trying
to
open
up,
and
there
are
tremendous
challenges
that
come
with
that.
I
We
may
need
your
help
with
some
of
the
challenges
that
come
with
that,
but,
thank
goodness,
we
are
able
to
start
getting
back
to
business
when
it
comes
to
prosecuting
homicide
cases,
prosecuting
shootings,
prosecuting
rapes,
prosecuting
the
most
serious
cases
and
also
trying
to
resolve
less
serious
cases,
as
we
do.
Punishment
obviously
only
comes
after
the
blood
is
already
in
the
street.
It
only
comes
after
we
have
all
at
some
level
and
somehow
failed.
So
we
have
to
keep
our
eye
on
prevention
as
well,
because
it
is
far
more
effective
in
avoiding
that
terrible
trauma.
I
I
Deborah
watson-stokes
is
an
extremely
experienced
and
extremely
capable
prosecutor
in
this
office
for
a
certain
number
of
years.
I
won't
say
exactly
how
many
and
she
will.
She
is
also
the
chief
of
our
municipal
court
unit
and
a
very
experienced
homicide
prosecutor,
who,
I
think
is,
is
incredibly
well
placed
to
comment
a
little
bit
on
what
it
means
to
have
a
dismissal
and
what
it
means
to
have
a
discharge
of
case
and
then
I'll
share
a
few
thoughts.
Moving
forward
this,
these
participants
will
not
be
speaking
very
long.
I
H
A
So
we
specifically
work
with
the
surviving
family
members
and
community
members
and
all
those
attached
to
that
particular
decedent.
We
have
been
providing
these
support
services
and
regard
to
council
number
jim
gin's
comments.
We
have
been
providing
support
and
services
to
over
800
family
members
participating
in
our
program.
Currently
we
make
sure
that
they
are
in
touch
with
the
various
systems,
such
as
mental
health,
this
other
victim
services
providers.
We
have,
if
there's
an
arrest
their
services
provided
within
our
office,
to
support
those
in
their
cases
of
an
arrest.
A
But
if
there's
no
arrests,
we
are
still
supporting
those
family
members.
One
of
the
things
that
I
do
want
to
particularly
talk
about
is
the
work
that
kids
does
it's
not
just
specifically
going
to
be
there
and
hold
the
hand
of
the
mother
or
the
father,
but
we're
also
there
to
talk
to
the
youth
and
the
young
folks
and
the
coordinated
effort
that
we're
trying
to
do
now
is
people
to
make
sure
they're
aware
that
there
has
been
a
traumatic
incident
in
the
life
of
that
child.
A
I
D
Yes
good
afternoon,
so
basically,
as
deputy
commissioner
and
the
commissioners
stated
we're
trying
to
be
worried,
less
reactionary
and
more
proactive
just
generally
across
the
board,
and
that's
kind
of
what
we're
going
towards
with
the
addition
of
intelligence
into
the
district
attorney's
office,
we're
doing
things
that
we
really
haven't
done
before
done
previously.
We
have
a
gun
violence
task
force,
that
partnership
has
partnered
with
the
ag's
office
and
the
atf,
and
I
know
the
commissioner
explained
at
length
about
niven
reports.
Those
are
crucial
in
what
we're
doing
right
now.
D
We
are
also
working
closely
with
the
ppd
and
the
managing
director's
office
to
put
together
and
work
with
the
gvi
program.
That's
using
our
district
attorneys
and
assistant
district
attorneys
to
go
out
into
the
community
using
intelligence
to
identify
different
groups
and
give
the
message
that
we
need
them
to
stop
shooting,
but
if
they
don't,
we
are
going
to
use
our
resources
to
come
after
them
because,
as
the
district
attorney
said,
the
violence
is
out
of
control
and
quite
ridiculous
at
this
point.
D
But
the
real
focus
of
the
intelligence
division
is
to
create
more
efficient
pathways
for
information
sharing.
Now
I
used
to
run
the
charging
unit
and
help
run
the
charging
unit
here
at
the
district
attorney's
office
reviewing
cases
every
day,
all
night
that
came
in
all
the
time
and
we're
also
in
charge
of
putting
out
what
we
say
and
who
we
want
held
in
a
courtroom
in
the
arraignment
process.
D
Who
are
the
drivers
of
crime,
whether
it
be
a
gun
case,
whether
it
be
a
drug
case,
whether
it
be
a
theft
from
auto?
If
we
have
that
actionable
intelligence
that
we
can
operationalize
to
disseminate
through
our
office,
we
can
get
better
results
and
that's
what
we're
trying
to
build
right
now
with
this
infrastructure.
C
F
D
I
Mr
chairman,
I
believe
I
actually
was
able
to
make
out
most
of
that
question.
Let
me
see
if
I
can
summarize
it
and
answer
it,
because
we
are
having
some
kind
of
transmission
issue.
I
believe
your
question
was
in
light
of
the
the
questions
from
council
that
were
forwarded
to
us.
Do
we
intend
to
answer
them
with
data?
The
answer
to
that
is:
yes,
we
have
a
number
of
arrives
that
are.
I
The
answer
is
yes,
we
have
a
number
of
slides
that
are
prepared
to
be
as
responsive
as
we
can.
I
do
want
to,
however,
make
sure
that
we
lay
the
groundwork.
I
don't
have.
I
probably
have
another,
I
would
say
five
to
ten
minutes
to
lay
the
groundwork
and
then
we'll
go
to
the
slide.
They
have
about
30,
slides
that
go
to
your
specific
question.
I
So,
if
I
may,
mr
lee,
I
think,
thank
you,
sir.
I
think
mr
lee
has
completed
his
comments.
Let
me
jump
ahead
just
a
little
bit,
because
we
will
be
talking
about
cases
that
are
withdrawn,
that
are
dismissed
and
I
would
call
on
our
chief
of
municipal
court,
one
of
our
most
talented
and
experienced
attorneys
in
the
da's
office.
That's
deb
watson,
stokes,.
A
A
A
The
names
and
information
as
to
who's
involved
is
mandatory
by
law
is
given
out.
You
know
to
opposing
counsel,
and
sometimes
they
find
that
paperwork.
You
know
in
the
corner
stores
right
with
their
information
on
it,
and
everybody
knows
that
they're
the
person
who
has
told
on
the
person
who
has
allegedly
committed
that
crime,
and
so
what
happens,
is
at
that
time
they're
no
longer
motivated
to
come
to
court.
They
they
started
off.
They
wanted
to
do
the
right
thing.
You
know
we
we
want
to
support
them.
A
We've
tried
to
support
them,
but
a
lot
of
times
they
just
don't
want
to
come
to
court,
so
we
notify
them.
So
what
do
we
do?
We?
We
call
them
up
on
the
phone.
We
send
them
to
subpoenas,
we
send
police
to
their
houses
and
sometimes,
even
though
we
don't
want
to.
We
pick
them
up
on
bench
warrants
and
bring
them
into
court
and
compel
them
to
testify.
A
You
know
until
the
police
respond
and
they're
in
a
situation
where
they
really
don't
want
our
involvement
with
what
it
is
that
they're
doing
a
lot
of
them.
They
feel
especially
our
young
people.
They
don't
wanna
talk
to
us,
they
don't
wanna
come
to
court,
you
know
what
they
want
to
do.
Is
they
want
to
resolve
it
and
they
want
to
handle
it
themselves
and
what
we
need
to
do
is
we
need
to
allow
and
their
children.
You
know
I
don't
care
how
old
they
are.
A
You
know
they're
in
their
teens
with
their
children,
you
know
and
their
brains
through
studies
are
underdeveloped.
We
know
that
you
know
and
they
have
the
most
dangerous
weapon
in
the
universe
in
their
hands
right.
So
we
need
to
have
ways
and
we
do
have
ways
for
them
to
allow
them
to
help
us.
So
the
number
one
reason
that
a
lot
of
our
cases
are
withdrawn
would
be
because
of
the
witnesses.
A
The
second
thing
is
something
that
the
officer
talked
about,
and
I
know
I
have
five
minutes
and
if
anybody
you
know
me,
you
know
I
can
go.
You
know
for
hours,
so
I'm
just
gonna
try
to
keep
it
brief.
The
second
thing
that
one
of
the
officers
talked
about
is
that
we
have
some
cases
that
are
discharged
because
lack
of
evidence,
which
means
that
the
officer
had
to
make
a
choice.
All
right.
A
Do
I
do
I
stop
this
person
on
the
street,
get
the
gun
off
the
get
the
gun
off
the
street.
Knowing
that
you
know
the
evidence
is
not
that
great
or
maybe
the
stop
isn't
the
greatest,
and
so
what
happens
is
you
know
we
do
our
best.
We
have
a
lot
of
cases
where
there'll
be
four
people
in
the
car
with
a
gun
right,
it's
a
driver,
it's
you
know
a
passenger
and
two
people
in
the
back
and
the
gun.
A
Is
you
know,
in
back
of
in
the
back
of
the
passenger
right,
the
driver
doesn't
own
the
car.
The
driver
doesn't
own
the
car,
it's
in
the
back,
so
who
gets
it?
You
know,
does
the
does
the
passenger
get
it
in
the
front
or
the
passenger
get
it
in
the
back
all
right?
Only.
You
know
that
you
can
make
an
argument
about
joint
possession,
but
the
driver
is
gone.
A
You
know
he's
discharged
because
it's
not
his
car,
he
doesn't
have
the
knowledge
front,
passenger
he's
going
to
say,
hey,
look,
it's
not
my
car.
I
was
just
getting.
I
was
just
getting
the
ride
from
so
and
so
all
right,
so
he's
gone.
That
passenger
is
the
same.
So
the
judge
still
they
have
to
follow
the
law.
We've
gotten
the
gun
out
the
street,
but
the
case
is
discharged.
A
A
So
if
an
officer
is
testifying
in
another
courtroom
and
when
another
judge
wants
him
right
then
and
there
because
they
have
to
move
their
list,
they're,
not
waiting
or
if
they're
out
on
the
street
serving
a
warrant,
you
know
they're,
not
wording,
they're,
not
waiting,
because
you
know
it's
a
third
listing
and
it
must
be
tried.
So
there
are
a
number
of
ways
and
councilman
kenyatta
johnson.
What
you
talked
about
was
a
technicality,
and
you
know-
and
I
know
what
you
meant
because
you're
talking
about
discovery,
you
know
that's
a
game.
A
You
know
that
everybody
plays.
You
know
with
each
other.
Okay,
I
need
the
back
of
a
75
229
and
if
you
know
your
paperwork,
you
know
that
there's
nothing
really
on
the
back
of
a
75
229.
So
it's
no
they're
technicalities.
So
there
are
a
lot
of
reasons.
You
know
why
these
gun
cases,
you
know
are
not
are
being
discharged,
but
what
I
need
you
guys
to
know
is
that
you
know
as
a
matter
of
policy.
You
know
we
are
re-arresting.
A
You
know.
On
those
cases
we
are
requesting
high
bail,
every
single,
every
single,
solitary
gun
case,
every
single,
solitary
robbery.
You
know
and
murder,
you
don't
get
allegedly
murdered.
You
don't
get
bail
on
murder
cases
right,
so
we
are
requesting
that
high
bail
chance
talked
about
that
charging
and
the
charging
unit
and,
as
a
matter
of
course,
we're
requesting
high
bail,
because
we
understand
that
these
people
for
their
these
people
are
allegedly
shooters
or
will
be
potentially
shooters,
and
these
are
guns
in
the
hands
of
our
children
who
have
these
undeveloped
brains
right.
A
So
it's
a
recipe
for
disaster,
but
what
we
need
is
we
need
the
support
you
know
of
judges
on
the
bench
when
we
make
that
high
bell
request.
We
need
you
to
respect
it.
You
know
and
know
that
we
no
longer
have
the
position
like
we
used
to
that.
You
know
we're
just
going
to
charge
everybody
with
everything
we
no
longer
do
that.
We
are
thoroughly
vetting
these
cases.
You
know
we
are
trying
to
get
video
on
these
cases.
A
Those
people
who
should
be
released
are
also
released
appropriately
under
a
process.
So
I
I
you
know,
I
have
a
lot
to
say,
but
right
now
you
know
I'm
going
to
leave,
but
we
are.
We
are
fighting
a
war
and,
and
the
mentality
is
that
they,
you
know,
they'd
rather
be
judged
by
12,
you
know
than
carried
by
sex
and
we
need
to
change
that.
You
know
we're
the
adults
and
I
agree
with
what
councilman
jones
said.
A
I
D
D
It's
going
on
right
now,
councilmember,
so
effective.
It
ends
at
five,
so
my
team
is,
in
the
other
room
running
the
virtual
hub.
As
we
speak,
we've
been
able
to
connect
2825
people
to
services.
Those
services
include
employment,
services,
victim
services,
housing
and
other
social
services,
but
we
gave
approximately
2
825
people
to
services
through
our
one-stop
job
and
resource
hub,
leading
up
to
that
hub.
D
Thirdly,
on
the
d.a
and
with
the
help
of
our
engagement
unit
and
other
units
within
our
office,
we
launched
the
gun,
crime
strategy
and
prevention,
collaborative,
as
the
va
mentioned
on
june
1st,
through
that
collaborative
we've
been
able
to
assign
12
assistant
district
attorneys
and
and
community
engagement
liaisons
to
every
police
division
in
the
city
of
philadelphia.
So
that's
two
two
degrees
and
a
communicated,
the
liaison
every
to
every
police
division
in
the
city
and
the
focus
the
firm
prosecution.
D
Those
who
are
the
drivers
of
gun
violence
to
share
data
and
intel
with
our
law
enforcement
partners
at
ppd,
but
also
at
the
state
and
federal
levels,
and
also
to
focus
in
on
reflecting
our
communication
and
our
relationship
with
with
unique
stakeholders
and
residents.
We
continue
to
work
very
closely
with
our
faith
partners
free
covet.
D
We
keep
our
council
persons
as
well
as
their
directors
of
constituent
services,
abreast
to
the
work
that
we're
doing
in
the
da's
office,
but
also
work
elaborately,
make
sure
that
we're
getting
all
the
constituents
and
residents
of
philadelphia
the
services
and
support
they
need
well
as
other
city
agencies.
So
thank
you
for
your
time
and
we're
willing
to
answer
your
questions.
I
All
right
and
thank
you
very
much,
jelemar
stewart,
so
I
have
just
a
couple
comments
and
then
I'd
like
to
take
off
ten
ways
in
which
I
think
we
can
all
move
forward
together
and
have
positive
results
in
a
positive
direction
and
then
go
into
these
slides.
I'm
not
going
to
spend
an
hour
on
these
slides
we're
going
to
go
through
them
quickly,
but
I
think
they
give
a
lot
of
the
answers
to
the
questions
that
were
sought.
I
I
If
any
of
you
are
curious
about
more
details
on
how
to
use
it,
we
are
happy
not
only
to
guide
you
to
it,
but
to
actually
guide
you
through
how
it
is
used,
because
you
know
some
people
like
me
at
59-
we're
not
perfect
with
technology,
but
we
are
happy
to
do
that
and
we
think
it
should
be
a
resource.
Sometimes
it
makes
us
look
great.
Sometimes
it
doesn't.
But
that
is
the
point
of
data.
That's
the
point
of
trying
to
figure
out
what's
wrong,
so
you
can
fix
it
now.
I
Obviously,
prevention
is
more
powerful
and
more
important
than
deterrence.
Therefore,
it's
extremely
important
that
we
fully
invest
in
gun,
violence
prevention
programs,
such
as
cure
violence.
This
program
has
been
proven
to
work
all
over
the
country,
including
philadelphia,
yet
still
in
philly.
We
only
have
it
in
a
few
sections
of
the
city.
We
have
to
move
as
quickly
as
we
can
to
fully
invest
in
things
that
have
been
successful.
We
should
look
at
the
grid
program
in
los
angeles,
and
we
need
to
do
all
of
this
now.
I
If
the
city
does
not
have
the
money
to
do
everything,
then
we
need
to
call
on
private
foundations.
We
need
to
call
on
university
endowments.
I
am
volunteering
to
do
that
with
or
without
any
of
you,
but
I'm
volunteering
to
join
hands
with
you
and
try
to
get
that
kind
of
an
investment,
it's
good
for
them.
It's
good
for
us,
it's
good
for
the
city
and
here
are
10
things
that
I
think
we
should
look
at.
One
of
them
is
the
better
use
of
funding
for
ppd.
I
Yes,
it's
big,
it
needs
to
be
big,
but
I
will
give
you
an
example:
a
number
of
times
I've
spoken
to
council.
I've
specifically
talked
about
the
gap
in
modern
forensics
in
philadelphia.
I
specifically
talked
about
talked
about
dna
needs
that
we
have
with
reference
to
gun
crimes
and
also
needs
in
terms
of
the
analysis
of
cell
phones.
I
I
cannot
get
into
all
the
specifics
for
obvious
reasons:
nibin
is
good,
but
naivene
is
not
enough
and
we
need
to
support
our
philadelphia
police
department
by
getting
them
one
way
or
the
other
the
two
to
five
million
bucks
they
need
for
the
first
year
and
the
two
or
three
million
dollars
they
need
for
years.
After
that,
I
say
this
in
the
spirit
of
collaboration
and
support
for
the
police
department,
but
the
pica
report
just
revealed
that
we
have
50
million
dollars
in
overtime
for
the
ppd
in
the
first
nine
months
of
this
year.
I
It's
the
largest
amount
of
overtime
in
the
history
of
the
city,
despite
the
fact
that
the
courts
are
closed,
so
there
is
no
overtime
going
to
that.
Obviously,
there
are
good
reasons,
but
there's
a
bunch
of
overtime,
but
if
we
got
money
for
overtime
we
got
money
to
solve
the
crime.
We
need
to
prioritize
the
kinds
of
things
that
will
make
it,
so
it's
not
necessary
that
we
spend
money
in
other
kinds
of
ways.
Dr
garvey
can
tell
you
all
about
that,
and
I
know
that
the
commissioner
I
have
spoken
about
this.
I
I
I
and
we
need
to
work
with
the
police
department
as
occurred
in
chicago.
It
can
be
things
as
simple
as
trainings
things
as
simple
as
assisting
with
how
the
paperwork
is
filled
out,
so
that
we
don't
have
the
kinds
of
mistakes
that
you
know,
defense,
attorneys
or
judges
are
liable
to
pounce
on.
We
need,
frankly,
to
have
a
new
president
and
a
new
legislature
in
pennsylvania.
That's
going
to
care
about
gun
violence.
I
We
cannot
continue
to
have
both
the
legislature
and
a
president
that
are
in
bed
with
the
nra
that
think
3-d
printers
making
guns
and
ghost
guns
are
okay.
We
just
cannot
have
that
as
long
as
we
have
that
we're
going
to
be
where
senator
street
has
said,
we
are
recently
which
is
16
times
as
many
guns
per
capita
as
new
york.
What
do
you
think
happens?
Imagine
we
passed
out
hand,
grenades
and
said:
please
don't
use
these
you'd
be
hearing
places
blowing
up
all
over
town.
I
We
need
to
protect
our
witnesses,
and
here
I
am
going
to
need
your
help
and
I'm
going
to
need
it
soon.
Potentially,
we
are
starting
our
first
homicide
case
on
tuesday
as
a
jury
trial
we're
starting
a
shooting
case,
I
believe
around
next
week
and
two
other
jury
trials.
We
have
a
situation
right
now.
You
will
see
that
deb
watson
stokes,
is
shaking
her
head
because
she-
and
I
are
losing
sleep
over
this
one.
I
We
have
a
situation
in
which,
due
to
the
covid,
the
current
plan
of
the
courts
is
to
broadcast
and
by
the
way,
judge
tucker's
been
very
sensitive
to
this
issue.
I
think
he's
very
concerned
about
it,
although
I
don't
want
to
speak
for
him,
but
the
fact
is
we're
very
concerned
at
the
idea
of
broadcasting
a
homicide
trial
over
youtube's
channel.
How
do
we
protect
our
witnesses?
How
do
we
get
our
witnesses
even
to
show
up
who
is
recording
that
trial?
Will
somebody
get
shanked
in
five
years
at
the
state?
I
I
We
cannot
have
that.
So
that
is
one
thing
we
have
to
do.
We
make
sure
we
have
to
make
sure,
as
the
courts
reopen,
that
we
are
not
debilitated
from
prosecuting
appropriately.
We
need
more
da's
detectives.
There
was
a
time
when
the
da's
office
had
110
we're
down
to
about
30,
and
I'm
very
grateful
that
the
commissioner
is
supportive
of
our
having
more
da's
detectives,
because
it
means
there's
more
that
we
can
do
when
we
have
a
reluctant
witness
when
we
need
to
work
closely
when
there's
a
gap
in
the
quality
of
the
investigation.
I
As
it
comes
to
us,
we
can
go
back
and
get
that
dna
swab
or
we
can
work
with
the
police
to
get
that
dna
swap
to
see
if
it
matches
the
dna
on
the
gun,
we
need
to
do
more
wire
taps.
We
need
to
do
more
wiretaps.
This
is
something
that
should
have
been
going
on
this
city
for
25
years.
We
need
to
do
more
wiretaps,
and
I
appreciate
that
the
commissioner
is
also
looking
at
this
with
us
and
we
have
a
collaboration
to
see
if
that's
something
we
can
do.
I
There's
a
lot
that
we
can
do
to
change
this,
and
I
am
hearing
good
noises
coming
from
the
municipal
court
that
they
are
interested
because
macarthur
is
interested
in
going
the
right
direction.
It
has
a
huge
effect
on
public
safety
if
we
can
get
real
high
bails
for
the
people
who
need
to
be
held
pre-trial
for
public
safety
and
make
sure
broke
people
in
non-serious
cases
get
out.
That's
where
we
need
to
know
to
go
and
that's
not
where
we
are
all
right.
I
will
now
move
on
and
I
will
move
quickly.
I
All
right,
so
I
do
this
very
briefly
just
to
make
sure
we
all
understand
how
this
works.
An
incident
occurs.
Criminal
incident,
police
arrest,
the
case
comes
to
the
da's
office
after
police
arrest
and
prepare
paperwork,
and
they
push
the
paperwork
to
us,
and
then
we
bring
charges
unless
we
feel
that
there's
a
problem
with
the
case
and
once
we
bring
charges.
The
very
next
thing
that
happens
that
happens
very
quickly
in
philly
is
that
the
bail
is
set.
I
The
way
the
bail
is
set
is
in
front
of
a
bail
commissioner,
who
is
not
a
full
judge
who
may
or
may
not
even
be
a
lawyer,
and
this
is
someone
and
I
respect
and
like
many
of
them,
but
this
is
someone
who
has
never
done
a
trial
as
a
judge.
This
is
someone
who
will
never
give
someone
a
sentence
and
someone
who
will
never
supervise
someone
on
a
sentence.
I
I
That
is
not
so
fine
if
we
are
talking
about
a
member
of
the
brickyard
mafia
and
there's
more
information
that
the
da's
office
needs
to
be
able
to
argue
for
the
million-dollar
bail
that
we
routinely
seek
for
cases
like
that,
it's
not
enough
time,
because
sometimes
we
need
to
get
more
information
from
the
police
or
we
need
to
do
a
more
in-depth
search
of
this
all
of
these
persons
prior
cases
to
show
connections.
Things
like
that.
I
I
And
charges
in
shooting
cases
this
data
will
get
better
at
the
moment
it
includes
homicide
of
homicides
of
all
types.
The
vast
majority
of
our
homicides
are
gun,
but
not
every
single
one
is.
There
are
a
few
that
are
stabbings
or
beatings.
Things
like
that
or
you
know,
may
even
involve
the
use
of
a
car
but
overwhelmingly
they're
guns.
So
this
is
good
data
on
homicides.
We
just
got
to
make
it
better,
and
then
we
have
data
on
aggravate
aggravated
assaults
with
guns
next
slide.
Please.
I
I
this,
our
our
police,
commissioner,
came
to
a
city
that
has
had
certain
issues
growing
for
for
quite
some
time
and
obviously
everybody's
looking
for
her
to
solve
everything.
Well,
she's
not
going
to
be
able
to
solve
everything.
Neither
am
I
the
fact
is.
We
have
long-term
trends
and
we
have
to
work
together
to
try
to
make
things
better,
but
it
is
good
to
look
at
the
context
and
see
where
we
actually
are
so.
The
cr
which
is
listed
in
blue.
I
There
is
the
clearance
rate
and
what
you,
what
you'll
see
is
that
the
clearance
rate
in
2015
was
24
percent
2016..
It
was
22.
2017
was
back
up
to
24
2018
21
24
in
2019.
It
is
now
down
to
17,
and
I
think
we
all
understand
why
these
are
really
difficult
times
for
the
philadelphia
police
department
to
try
to
investigate
and
try
to
deal
with
this
volume
of
stuff.
That's
happening.
I
The
prosecution
rate
has
been
fairly
steady
and
that
is
listed
in
the
orange
color
there,
which
is
basically
almost
every
case
that
is
presented
to
us,
because
these
investigations
generally
are
are
pretty
thorough.
I'm
not
saying
they're
perfect,
but
they're
generally
pretty
thorough,
they're
generally
pretty
solid.
The
prosecution
rate
on
these
cases
has
been
99
or
98
98
in
all
of
these
years,
including
this
year
when
it
is
99.
I
I
I
I
I
you'll
see
a
peak
in
the
clearance
rate
in
1985.
that
was
close
to
100,
and
we
got
to
be
fair
about
this.
There
were
some
things
going
on
in
1985
that
weren't
perfect.
We
have
seen
some
exonerations.
In
fact,
my
office
has
been
involved
in
it
all
right,
so
maybe
that
clearance
rate
was
a
little
bit
higher
than
it
should
have
been
because
some
of
the
people
they
cleared,
didn't
exactly
do
it.
However,
there's
no
question
that
we
see
over
the
years
that
close
after
that
the
clearance
rate
is
80.
I
I
We
get
into
2019
you're
over
about
40
percent,
and
I
think
the
commissioner
has
already
explained
that.
Obviously,
it's
been
worse
for
reasons
we
all
understand
now,
but
there's
no
question
that
there's
a
very,
very
clear
trend
going
on
now,
for
I
guess
it's
33
years
at
least
35
years,
a
very
clear
trend
of
clearance
rates
for
homicide
cases
coming
down
in
philadelphia.
I
don't
say
that
to
cast
stones.
I
say
that
to
put
it
on
my
shoulder,
along
with
the
commissioner
and
anybody
else
who
wants
to
help
something
we
have
to
do.
F
I
No
sir,
and
I
apologize
for
not
clarifying,
I
guess
I
live
in
my
own
world
sometimes-
and
I
forget
that
I
didn't
used
to
you-
know
know
all
this
magic
language.
A
clearance
rate
means
the
rate
at
which
the
police
believe
that
they
have
identified
the
perpetrator
and
are
seeking
or
obtaining
that
person's
arrest.
C
F
C
F
F
I
Well,
I
mean
the
short
answer
is
yes,
I
don't
know
that
they
know
the
statistic.
I
don't
know
that
they
pay
that
much
attention,
but
certainly
they're
operating
with
the
feeling
that
they
can
get
away
with
it,
because
they're
aware
of
others
who
have,
or
perhaps
they
have
themselves
in
the
past
and
like
I
said
I
say
this
only
to
try
to
shoulder
that
burden
along
with
the
ppd
and
the
rest
of
the
city.
C
C
I
Catch
them,
I
I
I
hear
your
council
member
and
I
agree
with
you.
I
I
hope
that
this
data
will
get
to
some
of
that
point.
This
is
our
next
slide.
This
is
a
slide
that
covers
homicides
of
all
types
and
again
it's
about
80
or
so
shootings
and
aggravated
assaults
with
a
gun.
It
shows
incidents,
arrests
and
charges.
I
I
That
is
case
because
it
is,
it
is
important
that
we
talk
about
not
just
gun,
arrests
and
gun.
Arrests
are
very
important,
but
it's
important
that
we
talk
about
crimes
that
are
perpetrated
with
guns.
We
talk
about
the
shootings.
We
talk
about
the
homicides.
We
talk
about
robberies
with
guns,
rapes,
with
guns
things
of
that
sort.
As
we
look
at
robberies
with
guns.
I
What
we
are
seeing
is
clearance
rates
in
the
last
five
years
between
about
20
and
23
percent
prosecution
rates
in
the
low
mid
90
percents,
all
right.
Moving
on
to
the
next
slide,
please,
I
want
to
go
to
the
issues
around
bail
because
I
know
there
has
been
a
lot
of
question
around
that
we
do
intend
to
be
releasing
shortly
a
lot
of
bail
data
that
we'll
get
into
this
specifically,
but
I'm
going
to
try
not
to
bore
everybody
to
death
today.
Next
slide,
please
the
most
important
thing
I
want
to
make
sure.
I
C
C
C
I
Yes,
let
me
make
sure
I'm
very
clear
on
what
it
means.
What
it
does
not
mean
what
it
means.
What
it
means
is
that
the
primary
investigative
entity,
of
course,
is
the
philadelphia
police
department,
although
we
do
work
with
them
on
investigations
a
bit
when
it
comes
to
dangerous
drug
offenders
and
and
a
bit
when
it
comes
to
homicides
and
shootings.
Now,
without
collaboration.
I
I
They
presented
information
to
us
and
the
da's
office
in
2015
before
my
time
brought
623
cases
from
the
665
that
got
to
them.
You
know,
no
police
department
is
ever
going
to
solve
every
crime,
but
it's
important
to
see
the
because
we're
talking
about
deterrence,
it's
important
to
see
how
often
they're
even
caught
and
then
charged
there
are
other
there
is-
are
other
slides
that
will
go
into
additional
data
about
what
happens
during
the
process.
But
that
is
what
this
slide
is
about
all
right.
If
I
may
move
ahead,
talk
a
little
bit
about
bail.
I
Can
we
go
forward
two
slides,
please
so
the
most
important
thing
to
remember
and
a
lot
of
people
are
not
clear
on
this-
is
that
the
da's
office
does
not
set
the
bail.
I
repeat,
the
da's
office
does
not
set
the
bail.
Neither
does
the
defense
attorney.
Does
the
public
defender
the
bail
is
set
at
the
beginning
by
a
bail
magistrate
or
a
bail
commissioner,
and
I
think
I
described
that
earlier
often
that's
done
in
a
hurry
six
hours
after
the
after
the
arrest,
12
hours
after
the
arrest
18
hours
after
the
arrest.
I
Often
that's
how
quickly
it
happens,
and
sometimes
it
happens
when
the
defender,
for
example,
has
not
even
had
a
chance
to
talk
to
their
client,
which
is
wrong,
and
sometimes
it
happens.
When
the
da's
office
has
not
been
able
to
gather
up
all
the
information
they
would
like
to
have
to
make
a
bail
argument
and
to
make
the
best
bail
argument.
I
We
do
a
lot
of
bail
hearings
a
day
we
we
are
looking
at
ordinarily,
and
these
are
not
ordinary
times,
but
we're
looking
at
about
110
to
130
cases
a
day
where
you're
having
bail
hearings,
24
hours
a
day,
seven
days
a
week.
So
that's
not
a
ton
of
prep
time,
and
this
is
part
of
the
reason
that
I'm
on
the
same
page
with
the
public
defenders
and
saying
that
for
serious
cases,
we
need
to
do
this
more
like
they
do.
I
But
the
point
I
want
to
make
sure
everybody's
clear
about,
because
people
don't
quite
get
this
is
it
is
never
the
da's
office
that
sets
the
bail.
It
is
the
da's
office
that
makes
a
recommendation
on
bail
and,
as
after
a
person
has
their
bail
set.
Initially,
their
defense
attorney
can
always
file
a
motion
in
different
ways
before
judges
to
reduce
the
bail
or
to
change
the
condition
of
bail.
I
So
there's
an
opportunity,
basically
every
day
of
a
case
for
the
defense
to
try
to
reduce
it,
but
where
everything
starts,
if
you're
talking
about
a
shooting
case
or
a
felon
or
possession
of
a
firearm
homicide
case
where
everything
starts,
is
in
front
of
that
bail,
commissioner,
with
what
I
consider
to
be
a
rushed
hearing,
that
is
good
for
neither
side
on
serious
cases.
We
make
our
recommendation,
but
it
is
the
commissioner's
decision
in
power
next
slide,
please.
I
I
The
city
will
accept
under
the
rules
in
every
case
ten
percent.
So
if
a
bail
commissioner
says
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
bail,
the
system
doesn't
mean
it.
What
the
system
means
is
ten
thousand
dollars,
and
what
makes
it
even
worse
is
that
we
have
private
bail,
bonds,
people
sometimes
known
as
the
bail
bondsmen
in
the
old
days.
We
have
private
bail,
bonds,
people.
I
The
way
they
make
money
is
that
they
will
pay
your
bail
they'll
pay
your
ten
thousand
dollars
and
their
condition
is
you
have
to
give
them
a
third
of
that,
but
they
get
to
keep
it
city's
going
to
give
your
money
back
at
the
end
of
the
case,
bail
bondsman
is
going
to
keep
it
and
then,
if
you
run
off
it's
going
to
chase
you
down
to
drag
you
in
to
make
sure
he
doesn't
lose
his
money
they're
gambling
when
you're
going
to
show
up.
So
what
does
that
really
mean?
That
means
a
judge.
I
Just
said,
I'm
going
to
hold
you
on
a
100
000
bail.
What
you
actually
need
to
get
out
is
3
33.
If
that
does
not
drop
your
jaw,
then
I
don't
know
what
will
because
to
me
that
is.
That
is
basically
very,
very
confusing
way
to
do
things.
I
think
it
confuses
the
public.
It
can
be
confusing
to
a
lot
of
people
about
what
is
actually
going
on
in
the
system.
I
Similarly,
when
you
see
a
a
million
dollars,
bail
and
my
office
on
on
shooting
cases
routinely
asks
for
one
dollar
less
than
that
999
999
dollars
for
reasons
I
can
explain
what
you
actually
need
is
not
a
million
dollars,
it's
a
hundred
thousand
dollars
and
if
you
get
a
bail,
bondsman
you're
looking
at
a
third
of
that.
Well,
you
know:
price
of
a
kilo
is
often
20
grand
22
grand
for
people
who
are
heavily
involved
in
serious
drug
dealing.
I
They
can
come
up
with
some
money,
I'm
not
saying
they're
necessarily
going
to
come
up
with
that
they
might
or
might
not,
but
some
of
them
can
come
up
with
some
money.
So
it's
very
important
to
remember,
as
we
show
you
the
rest
of
the
data
that
what
it
really
takes
to
get
you
out
on
that
bail
is
only
10
if
you
pay
the
city
and
only
3.33,
if
you
pay
a
private
bail
bonds
person
next
slide,
please,
okay!
I
So
if
we
look
at
what
happened
looking
over
the
last
several
years,
2015
through
2019
with
these
different
incidents,
we
had
13
171
incidents
of
homicide
and
ag
assault
with
a
gun
of
those
four,
almost
4
900
people
got
arrested,
4
700
plus
got
charged,
and
then
this
is
how
the
bail
broke
out.
The
way
the
bail
broke
out
is
177.
I
They
only
had
to
pay
three
percent
of
that
or
10
of
that.
913
people
got
bailed
between
25k
and
100k,
and
you
have
about
2
000
people
getting
bail,
that
is
100k
or
more
809.
People
were
held
without
bail.
Those
are
almost
all
people
who
were
arrested
for
homicide,
because
the
pennsylvania
constitution
permits
almost
presumes
that
you
will
be
held
without
bail
on
a
homicide
case
next
slide.
I
I
So
we
have
done
something
new
with
the
pandemic,
which
is
that
there
is
data
on
what
bail
is
set,
but
there
has
not
been
data
on
exactly
what
the
da's
office
is
asking
for,
and
we
had
to
make
some
tough
decisions
and
we
decided
that
because
of
the
pandemic
because
of
the
need,
on
the
one
hand,
to
keep
the
jail
population
low
but
on
the
other
hand,
to
make
sure
people
who
threaten
public
safety
are
in
jail.
We
were
only
going
to
have
two
speeds
on
the
car.
I
The
speeds
were
ror,
meaning
you're
released
on
your
own
recognizance.
You
don't
have
to
pay
anything
or
a
similar
bail
to
that
or
give
me
a
million
bucks,
999
999
bucks.
We
picked
that
number
because
it
allowed
the
jail
to
move
people
around
in
a
way
that
was
safer
with
covet
and
because
we
felt
it
was
going
to
be
adequate
to
hold
a
whole
lot
of
people.
As
always
on
homicide
cases.
We
were
moving
for
and
getting
held
without
bail.
I
So
this
is
an
indication
of
how
often
the
bail
commissioners
did
what
we
asked
them
to
do.
When
we
said
look,
this
is
someone
who
should
get
out
now.
These
were,
these
would
mostly
be
non-violent.
Offenses
often
be
misdemeanor
offenses,
and
the
good
news
is
because
cash
bail
that
keeps
poor
people
in
jail
for
no
good
reason
is
a
bad
thing.
The
good
news
is
that
the
bail
commissioners
89
of
the
time
were
with
us
in
terms
of
giving
ror
sob.
I
do
respect
their
independence.
I
I
I
We
only
got
half
of
that
half
of
that
or
more
seven
percent
of
the
time.
Okay
and
let's
remember
you're,
only
paying
three
and
a
third
percent,
so
500
000
is
about
16.
Grand
a
million
dollars
is
about
33
grand
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
It
only
takes
you
three
thousand
three
hundred
thirty
three
dollars
to
get
out,
but
what
we
got-
and
I
say
this
respectfully
to
the
courts-
is
a
lot
less
than
we
wanted.
I
What
we
wanted
was
enough
bail
to
keep
people
who
are
running
around
shooting
people
and
trying
to
kill
people
and
who
were
felons
in
possession
of
a
firearm
in
jail,
because
they
present
a
tremendous
danger
to
public
safety.
We
did
not
get
it
89
of
the
time
we
got
it.
Seven
percent
of
the
time
and
in
that
range
between
a
hundred
thousand
and
five
hundred
thousand
dollars,
which
in
actuality,
is
between
about
thirty
three
hundred
dollars
and
sixteen
thousand
dollars.
That
was
a
third
of
the
cases.
I
Almost
half
of
the
cases
ended
up
between
ten
thousand
dollars
and
a
hundred
thousand
dollars.
These
are
cases
where
this
office
believed
a
million
dollars.
Bail
was
necessary
what
we
ended
up
with
for
almost
half
of
the
cases,
and
then,
if
you
add
in
the
three
percent,
the
nine
percent,
more
than
half
of
the
cases,
was
a
number
to
get
out
of
jail.
That
was
less
than
3
33
next
slide.
Please.
I
All
right
now,
this
breaks
it
down
just
to
gun
cases
so
that
you
can
see
what
happened,
because
in
truth,
most
of
our
focus
on
that
high
bail
was
on
cases
that
were
specifically
about
gun
violence.
We
have.
This
is
the
category
of
cases
where
we
ask
for
999
000.
I
know
that
gets
a
little
confusing,
so
this
does
not
include
the
cases
where
we
asked
people
be
held
without
bail.
I
I
F
I
I
This
slide
indicates
indicates
more
specifically
within
within
what
categories
within
what
kind
of
cases
we
did
what
so
we
are
looking
in
the
top
row
at
243
cases
of
being
a
felon
in
possession
of
a
firearm,
it's
a
little
more
complicated
than
being
a
felon,
but
what
I
mean
by
that
is
you're
a
felon,
usually
or
maybe
you've
cons,
you've
committed
a
lower
level
of
manslaughter
the
law
says
you
can't
have
a
gun
right
because
of
a
prior
conviction.
You
can't
have
a
gun.
I
We
had
243
of
those
cases
we
asked
for
that,
almost
million
dollar
bail.
It
says
here
97
of
the
cases
I
think
the
reason
you're
not
seeing
100
total
is
they're
missing
a
little
bit
of
data,
but
what
happened
when
97
of
the
time
we
said,
give
me
this
high
bail.
Is
that
as
you
look
over
towards
your
right,
only
16
percent
of
the
time
did
we
get
even
half
of
that.
I
If
you
look
at
the
next
row,
homicide
attempted
homicide.
133
cases
there
were
42
percent
of
these
cases,
42.
all
right,
something's
wrong.
With
that
slide,
let's
move
to
the
next
one
aggravated.
I
think
that
I
think
that
may
be
a
misprint
and
it's
supposed
to
be
92,
but
no,
no,
I'm
sorry
back
to
the
other
slide,
there's,
obviously
a
flaw
in
that
one
piece
of
data.
I
We
will
correct
that
and
hope
to
hope
to
be
invited
back
aggravated
assault
and
firearm
charge,
meaning
that
you're
charged
both
with
ag
assault
and
with
firearm
97
of
the
time
we
went
after
999
000
dollars.
We
got
more
than
500
000,
only
34
of
the
time.
If
you
look
at
a
rape
case
that
involves
a
gun,
which
I
believe
is
what
this
graph
is.
Then
you'll
see
that
94
percent
of
the
time
we
were
seeking
that
high
bail,
we
only
got
half
of
it
or
more
11
of
the
time
next
slide.
I
I
Rape
6105,
which
is
being
a
felon
in
possession
of
a
firearm,
aggravated
assault
with
a
gun
or
robbery
with
a
gun.
We
look
at
the
lower
bail
when
they
were
given
between
10
and
100
000
bail,
65
percent
of
them
posted
bail.
When
you,
when
the
bail
was
between
a
hundred
thousand
and
two
hundred
and
fifty
thousand
thirty
seven
percent
opposed
to
bail
when
the
bail
is
between
two
hundred.
Fifty
thousand
and
five
hundred
thousand
eighteen
percent
are
still
posting
bail.
I
It's
only
when
you
get
up
above
half
a
million
dollars
that
we're
getting
down
to
lower
numbers
for
posting
bail.
You
still
got
eight
percent
posting
bail,
but
it
still
means
92
percent
did
not
post
that
bail.
So
there
is
no
question
that
the
amount
of
bail
has
a
very
direct
effect
on
whether
or
not
people
are
able
to
pay
it
and
get
out
at
the
low
level
65
percent
get
out
at
the
highest
level.
I
C
District
attorney,
like
just
just
real,
quick
something
another
one
of
the
questions
that
I
sent
over
regarding
bill
that
I
didn't
see
a
response
to
is
how
so
in
cases
where
the
bill
that
you
are
on
requesting
isn't
granted.
How
often,
what's
the
percentage
of
appealing
the
the
decision?
Can't
you
fight
back
the
decision
when
they,
when
they
lower
the
bill
or
don't
give
you
the
bill.
You
say
you
know
what
no
this
person
deserves
to
be
away,
so
we
want
to
fight
back
and
I'm
going
to
kill
your
decision.
I
I
What
you
can
do
at
three
o'clock
in
the
morning,
if
you
just
handled
the
list
of
40
people
whose
bail
was
set-
and
you
think
something
outrageous
happened
with
a
particular
case-
is
that
you
can
call
a
municipal
court
judge
on
the
phone
and
you
can
argue
for
that
bail
to
be
increased,
and
that
is
something
that
we
do.
But
to
be
very
candid,
you
don't
want
to
do
that
all
the
time.
Our
municipal
court
judges,
understandably,
don't
want
every
single
decision
that
is
made
by
the
bail
commission
to
be
appealed
to
them.
I
These
are
hearings.
I
did
myself
in
1987
1988
as
a
young
public
offender,
and
I
used
to
appeal
bails.
Then
you
might
take
your
shot
on
one
or
two
or
three,
but
if
you're
going
to
keep
taking
your
shots
and
ask
this
municipal
court
judge
to
redo
all
of
it,
the
likely
outcome
honestly
is
that
they're
going
to
be
upset
and
they're
going
to
make
a
point
of
denying
all
your
appeals
because
they
don't
want
to
get
called
every
five
minutes.
I
I
mean
I'm
just
being
candid
with
you,
so
sometimes
we
do
appeal
at
that
phase.
Sometimes
we
will
appeal
it
when
we
show
up
for
the
preliminary
hearing,
ask
for
a
bail
increase
or
we'll
file
a
written
motion.
I
can
give
you
an
example
of
a
case
where
a
judge
imposed,
I
think,
90
000
on
a
on
a
gun,
violence
case.
I
forget
exactly
what
kind
we
didn't
like
it.
We
filed
a
motion.
We
got
in
front
of
another
judge.
I
We
got
it
increased
to
200
000,
which
again
I
mean
that's,
that's
not
a
million
dollars
that
takes
six
thousand
six
hundred
sixty
six
bucks
to
get
out
of
jail,
but
it
was
better
than
ninety
thousand
dollars.
So
we
do
appeal
it,
but
we've
also
been
trying,
because
culture
change
takes
a
minute.
We've
been
trying
to
work
with
the
bail
commissioners
to
bring
them
along
to
be
persuasive
to
appeal
them
some
of
the
time,
but
but
clobbering
we
find
usually
doesn't
work.
I
have
to
say
this,
though,
and
I
need
you
to.
I
I
need
to
make
sure
that
I'm
clear
on
this.
I
have
a
ton
of
respect
for
judge,
patrick
dugan,
who
is
the
president
judge
of
the
municipal
court,
and
this
falls
under
his
umbrella.
We've
had
a
recent
meeting
with
him
where
we've
presented
some
data,
I'm
going
to
give
him
a
full
report
of
data
very
shortly,
that's
going
to
show
him
more
and
I
believe
that
there's
real
possibility
for
constructive
progress
here.
I
also
know,
and
that
that
judge
dugan
has
mentioned
that
they've
recently
hired
some
very
qualified
people
to
be
bail.
I
Commissioners,
we
may
be
getting
better
results
from
them,
but
I
do
believe
that
judge.
Dugan
is
a
good
judge.
I
think
he's
a
good
man
and
I
think
that
working
with
other
criminal
justice
partners
we're
going
to
be
able
to
make
some
headway
on
this
issue
all
right
now.
This
slide
is
up
here
for
the
purpose
of
showing
what
the
public
data
dashboard
looks
like.
It
does
have
up-to-date
information
all
the
time.
I
It
is
not
perfect
and
I'm
going
to
give
you
an
example
of
how
it
cannot
be
perfect,
but
it's
a
work
in
progress
and
we
think
it's
a
pretty
good
work
in
progress.
So
here's
an
example,
we
were
looking
at
the
data
on
the
number
of
cases
that
we
dropped,
that
were
homicide
cases
and
the
number
looked
higher
than
we
expected
in
the
last
couple
years.
So
you
know
immediate
panic,
oh
my
goodness.
I
Does
that
mean
that
we
have
done
a
bad
job
or
that
something's
not
right,
and
those
were
the
numbers
that
were
put
in
there
by
our
data
people
who
are
not
necessarily
attorneys
or
criminal
attorneys
they're,
mostly
data
people.
But
when
we
looked
at
it,
we
realized
that
the
problem
was
yes,
we
had
dropped
some
homicide
cases.
I
So
that
was
messing
up
our
numbers
because
it
was
making
making
us
look
like
we
were
drop
happy
when
we're
not
at
the
same
time
the
other
administrations
that
convicted
innocent
people
are
getting
credit
for
their
batting
average,
because
they're
counting
those
innocent
people
they
put
in
jail
for
25
years.
So
there
I
have
to
tell
you.
I
There
are
wrinkles
here
and
we're
going
to
try
to
work
through
it,
but
this
should
be
a
pretty
steady
resource
for
folks
in
the
courts
and
it's
updated
regularly
and
we're
happy
to
assist
if
we
can
in
making
more
data
available
or
having
someone,
you
know
provide
instruction
to
your
staff
on
how
to
use
it
next
slide.
Please.
I
Okay,
so
this
is
a
snapshot
of
case
outcomes
for
homicide
and
ag
assault
with
a
gun
from
2015
through
2019,
and
if
you
have
us
back,
we
will
update
it
with
2020,
even
if
it's
just
through
you
know
the
month
of
october
or
whatever,
but
13
171.
Incidents
and
again
this
homicide
is
about
80
percent
shootings.
It's
about
20
other
stuff,
we're
hoping
that
we'll
be
able
to
to
correct
that
as
well.
About
4
900
people
arrested
about
4
700
people
charged
the
results
were
guilty
pleas
or
no
low.
I
Please,
which
means
that
you
plead
no
contest
and
then
you're
found
guilty
in
about
1700
of
those
cases
we
had
about
708
guilty
verdicts,
meaning
taken
to
trial
and
convicted.
There
were
about
29
diverted,
and
I
can
tell
you
that
those
are
most
likely
to
be
cases
where
there
is
an
accidental
killing.
That
would
be
an
involuntary
manslaughter
which
is
actually
a
misdemeanor.
I
For
example,
you
know
a
fist
fight
between
two
brothers
and
one
of
the
brothers
due
to
intoxication
in
a
fall
strikes
his
head
and
dies.
Something
like
that,
because
diversion
is
extremely
uncommon.
In
this
group
of
4900
cases
there
were
about
1800,
dismissed
or
withdrawn,
and
again
I
want
to
be
candid
with
you.
Shooting
cases
are
tough
to
prosecute
homicide
cases
can
be
tough.
Homicide
cases
are
tough
because
your
main
witness
is
unavailable.
It
is
the
person
who
was
killed.
I
Shooting
cases
can
be
tough
because
for
the
most
part,
not
in
every
case,
but
in
many
cases
people
involved
in
the
shooting
do
not
want
to
access
the
courts.
They
want
to
settle
it
on
the
street,
so
I
mean
a
basic
tenet
of
david
kennedy's
system
for
what
he
calls
focus
deterrence
I
think
in
philly
is
some
version
of
that
as
being
called
gun.
Violence
intervention
is
that
it's
necessary
because,
historically
and
nationally,
there
is
it's
tough
to
get
convictions.
I
I
I
So
the
next
slide
is
about
the
frequency
of
future
arrests
or
charges
for
shootings
for
people
with
prior
possession
with
attempt
to
deliver
or
vufa
convictions.
This
is
just
food
for
thought.
Frankly,
you
know.
Often
the
assumption
is
that
if
someone
has
a
prior
conviction
for
possession
of
a
gun
or
for
dealing
drugs,
then
they
are
necessarily.
I
Oh,
I'm
sorry
all
right.
It
appears
that
my
computer's
not
being
friendly
to
me.
So
so
let
me
try
to
work
off
someone
else's
because
apparently
you
can
all
see
the
slide
that
I
cannot
see.
So
I
mean
I
don't
I
don't
know.
This
is
good
news
or
bad,
but
it's
the
truth,
so
we
might
as
well
look
at
it.
The
the
this
is
the
frequency
of
future
arrests
or
charges
for
shootings
for
people
who
have
priors
okay,
and
it
looks
at
a
window
from
january
of
2014
through
september
of
2020..
I
So
let's
look
at
basically
a
five-year
window
within
that
five-year
window.
How
likely
are
you
to
be
to
be
arrested
as
a
shooter?
If
you
have
a
prior
drug
conviction
within
that
five
and
a
half
year
window?
How
likely
are
you
to
be
arrested
for
a
shooting
if
you
have
a
6105
which
is
felon
in
possession
of
a
firearm
and
within
that
five
year
period?
I
How
likely
are
you
to
be
arrested
for
possession
of
a
gun,
6106
6108,
an
illegal
possession
of
a
gun
with
those
priors,
and
the
answer
is
for
a
prior
drug
case,
1.2
percent
for
prior
felony
possession
one
point,
nine
percent,
and
for
a
prior
vufa
6106
6108,
1.9
percent.
I
have
to
tell
you
honestly
that
data.
E
Thank
you,
councilmember
johnson,
district,
charlie
krasner.
I
have
some
additional
questions,
but
I'm
going
to
allow
you
to
finish
your
present,
like
a
lengthy
presentation,
but
in
reference
to
this
slide,
you're
showing
here
that
directly
contradicts
the
police
department.
So
is
my
information.
What
I'm
hearing
from
what
you're
saying
that,
if
you
are
someone
who's,
had
a
prior
quid
or
roof
of
charge,
you're
less
likely
to
be
involved
in
a
future
criminal
activity?
Yes
or
no?
I
E
No
we're
not
going
to
wait.
This
is
your
information
and
your
data
so
you're
presenting
it.
So
I'm
assuming
it's
correct.
So
is
it
yes
or
no
more
likely
or
not
that
if
you
have
a
prior
point
or
buffa
and
you
have
additional
or
there's
more
like
you're,
going
to
be
arrested
again
for
a
similar
type
of
offense.
E
E
E
Slide
respect
you're,
saying:
okay,
explain
your
slide
because
you're
saying
that
it's
a
point,
two
percent
point:
nine
percent
and
and
one
point
nine
percent
based
on
this
information,
a
frequency
of
future
arrests
or
charges
for
shootings
for
people
with
prior
quit
or
rufus
cases.
So
what
is
the
basis
of
showing
the
slide?
I
The
re,
the
reason
we
are
showing
the
slide
is
simply
to
point
out
something
that
we
thought
was
curious,
which
is
that
oftentimes
there's
the
assumption
that
if
you
have
a
prior
conviction
of
certain
types,
then
you're
fifty
percent
seventy
percent,
eighty
percent
likely
to
participate
in
a
shooting.
What
we
are
seeing
is
there's
obviously.
E
I
I
I
E
Going
to
go
specifically
specifically
to
the
slide,
I'm
going
to
go
back
and
go
back
to
the
information
and
what
is
the
trend
and
proportion
of
vufor
arrests
that
result
in
a
conviction,
and
I
believe
that
slide
is
information
that
shows
and
was
based
on.
I
believe
officer,
singleton's
commentary
is
that
we
need
to
do
a
better
job
in
doing
arrests,
specifically
with
those
who've
had
priors
I
may
mischaracterize,
but
based
on
the
information
I'm
seeing
on
this
slide
basis
slide.
E
I'm
looking
at
right
now,
there's
a
difference
of
opinion,
and
you
even
said
in
your
statement.
There's
a
general
assumption
that
people
that
have
a
prior
or
more
likely
to
have
a
pride
going
forward
and
based
on
the
police
department,
saying
that
is
contradictory.
I'm
just
trying
to
understand
the
basis
of
your
slide
when
you're
sharing
in
the
heading
to
this
flight.
This
slide
frequency
of
future
arrests
or
charges
for
shootings
for
people
prior
quit
or
boot.
For
cases.
E
E
I
Well,
the
title
of
this
slide
is
the
frequency
of
future
arrests
or
charges
for
shootings
for
people
with
a
prior
quid,
which
is,
of
course,
drug
dealing
or
a
vufa
case.
These
are
people,
who've
had
a
prior
case
for
just
those
offenses.
There
are
many
other
offenses
and
it
is
likely
that
these
percents
are
going
to
go
up.
If
you
include
everybody
who
has
a
shooting
case
and
has
some
kind
of
prior,
so
they
may,
for
example,
have
a
prior
for
burglary
or
they
might
have
a
prior
for
robbery.
This
doesn't
cover
that
this.
I
Just
this
just
goes
to
the
issue
of
whether
the
possession
of
a
weapon
itself
is
a
red
arrow,
saying
that
you're
necessarily
going
to
do
a
shooting
or
the
involvement
in
drugs
is
a
red
error,
saying
you're
necessarily
going
to
do
a
shooting.
It's
a
pretty
narrow
issue.
Frankly
and,
like
I
said
surprising
to
me,
because
my
gut
would
be
that
these
numbers
would
be
higher.
I
am.
I
am,
however,
I'm
very
interested
in
your.
E
I
I
I
So
the
data
lab
is
working
with
a
group
of
ada's
to
go
through
what
is
currently
about
400
cases
where,
over
a
period
of
years,
there
have
been
dismissals.
We
want
to
see
to
what
extent
deb
watson
stokes's
impression
that
we
are
the
civilian
witness
would
not
show
up
or
that
the
judge
you
know
properly
or
improperly
made
a
decision
about
the
quality
of
the
evidence
when
we
put
on
the
case
or
whether
there
could
be
superior
investigation
done
or
some
improvement
on
the
investigation
by
our
office
or
by
the
da's
office.
I
We
want
to
see
whether
the
d.a
failed
to
do
a
good
job.
We
want
to
make
sure
people
were
subpoenaed.
We
want
to
do
all
of
that
and
therefore,
if
invited
back,
we
will
actually
bring
the
results
of
that
analysis
to
show
why
certain
cases
are
being
discharged
for
lack
of
prosecution,
just
discharged
for
lack
of
evidence.
It
could
lead
to
some
very
positive
things
next
slide.
Please.
I
They
could,
for
example,
lead
to
issues
around
training.
This
just
lists
a
few
of
the
possibilities.
Number
one
guns
not
recovered,
which
makes
a
weaker
case
number
two
civilian
or
police-
witness,
fails
to
appear
number
three
evidence
obtained
by
police
was
legally
insufficient
and
I
think
deb
watson
stokes,
talked
about
that
in
terms
of
trying
to
prove
that
a
gun
in
a
car
is
connected
to
a
particular
person
beyond
a
reasonable
doubt,
evidence
may
be
suppressed
due
to
a
flawed
procedure.
So
there's
some
discussion
about
that.
I
Coming
from
first
deputy
commissioner,
with
the
hicks
case,
for
example,
prosecutor
may
have
made
an
error
and
if
so,
it's
a
training
issue
for
us,
or
there
may
actually
be
a
situation
where
we
just
think
the
judge
got
it
wrong
and
as
she
mentioned,
we
often
refile
those
cases
and
we
are
happy
to
file
to
provide
all
that
information
upon
completion.
That
is
all
I
have
in
this
actual
presentation
and
therefore
I
invite
any
any
questions
that
any
council
members
may
have.
C
I
I
We
have
a
team
of
very
experienced
attorneys
who
are
looking
at
the
files,
because
you
know
the
truth
is
that
the
police
department
doesn't
have
access
to
our
files
and
the
files
often
tell
the
tale,
let's
say,
for
example,
you
dig
into
a
file
and
it
says
that
the
police
officer
who's
crucial
to
the
case
is
you
know
for
some
reason,
someone
we
cannot
call
because
he's
under
federal
investigation
or
something
like
that.
That
would
be
a
very
specialized
type
of
reason,
but
we
could.
I
We
can
look
at
all
those
cases,
pull
that
out
and
figure
it
out.
So
it's
really
it's
a
collaborative
effort
between
the
data
lab
but,
more
importantly,
having
some
of
our
most
experienced
attorneys.
Look
at
the
files,
look
at
the
notations
and
the
files
and
look
at
other
factors
to
try
to
figure
out
where
there
was
a
breakdown.
I
C
So
in
the
police
department's
presentation,
they
talked
about
the
simultaneous
decrease
of
the
conviction
rate
right.
So
so,
how
do
you
review
from
a
quality
standpoint
if
the
conviction
rate
is
stealing
over
the
period
of
time,
and
also
we
saw
prior
to
you
coming?
We
also
did
it
you
gotta,
go.
How
do
you
pinpoint
and
say?
Okay,
we
see
our
conviction
rate.
Pretty
much
is
going
down.
How
did
from
a
quality
standpoint?
I
Man,
I
think
we
have
to
just
be
really
honest
in
our
evaluation.
We
got
to
get
in
there
and
we
we
we
have
to
look
at
it,
and
you
know
what
I
heard
the
police
department
saying
is
that
they're
down
they
are
down
to
look
and
see
if
there's
more,
they
could
have
done
well.
We
are
also
down
to
look
and
see
if
there's
more,
that
we
could
have
done.
You
know,
and
sometimes
it's
a
shared
issue.
So
I'll
give
you
an
example
of
a
case
we
saw.
I
D
I
Yeah
you've
heard
of
that
so
anyway,
so
good
news
is
the
police
swabbed
the
gun,
the
bad
news
is
police
did
not
swab
the
driver
and
when
we
got
it
it
takes
so
long
to
get
a
dna
analysis
that
once
the
arrest
was
made-
and
we
got
it,
no
schwab
was
done
in
time
because
it
takes
quite
a
while
to
get
dna
results
back
in
order
to
have
a
solid
case
for
a
preliminary
hearing.
That's
the
kind
of
thing
where
you
could
say
it's
our
fault,
I'll,
take
it.
It's
our
fault.
I
You
could
say
it's
their
fault,
they'll,
take
it
as
their
fault,
but
but
what
we
should
do
is
we
should
make
sure
we
have
a
mechanism.
So
that
does
not
happen
anymore
and
so
that
we're
able
to
make
that
match.
It
involves
some
work.
You
know
it
involves
getting
a
warrant,
doing
a
swab,
sending
it
off
to
a
lab,
and
you
know
honestly,
when
you
have
hard
work
from
police
officers
who
are
trying
to
move
cases
along
and
they're
feeling.
As
I
got
the
gun
off
the
street,
I
sent
it
to
the
lab
for
dna.
I
They
might
not
take
that
extra
step.
Well,
maybe
we
can
train
or
we
can
assist,
or
we
can
even
have
some
da's
detectives
ourselves
jump
in
and
try
to
take
that
role
and
push
it
forward.
But
it's
not
the
kind
of
thing
we
want
to
figure
out.
You
know
in
a
courtroom.
It's
a
thing.
We
want
to
try
to
figure
out.
C
And
this
comes
to
my
mind
right
and
dealing
with
this
just
in
terms
of
all
of
us
as
public
servants.
I
just
know
when
the
opioid
crisis
hit
suburban
america
and
rural
america
right
some
ways.
Somehow
the
stars
just
aligned
right.
It
became
a
zero-like
focus
of
resources
and
support
all
the
way
around
the
board
to
zero,
like
focus
on
the
opioid
crisis.
C
That's
devastating
suburban
america,
rural
america
and
I'm
just
hoping
at
some
point
in
time
that
all
of
us
here
in
the
city
of
philadelphia
and
this
and
this
this
presentation
and
also
and
commissioner
outlaw
presentation-
seems
like
we've
been
going
in
the
right
direction
because
at
least
folks
are
saying
we
will.
I
heard
you
say
a
couple
times.
I
put
things
on
my
shoulder:
she'll
put
things
on
her
shoulder,
but
just
the
the
sense
of
urgency
that
that
I'm
feeling
that
needs
to
be
there
all
the
way
around
the
board.
C
I
F
F
F
And
so
I
I
learned
this
lesson
from
cj
criminal
justice
advisory
board
when
all
of
the
different
players
sat
in
a
room
realizing
that
they
were
sitting
in
the
same
boat
and
we're
interconnected
in
their
responsibilities,
magical
things
and
I'm
not
going
to
be
corny
with
it.
But
good
things
happen.
I
think
we
are
on
the
precipice
of
getting
at
this
problem.
As
the
chairman
said,
you
know
when
the
opioid
crisis
hit
and
other
crisis
is
hit.
We
tend
to
create
a
marshall
plan
to
address
that
problem.
F
Our
babies
are
dying
at
a
rate
of
300
plus
this
time
of
year,
and
people
shrug
their
shoulders
in
all
right.
We
are
being
used
as
a
political
football
by
number
45
saying,
look
at
what
democratic
run
cities
are
doing
and
if
you're,
not
careful,
it's
coming
to
a
suburb
near
you.
Now,
let's
take
the
politics
aside,
because
it's
not
a
red
thing.
It's
not
a
blue
thing.
F
Maybe
if
we
tighten
this
screw
right
here,
bail,
maybe
if
we
loosen
this
screw
up
a
little
bit
and
just
move
out
the
cases
that
are
not
as
as
urgent
in
the
sense
of
that
this
person
is
likely
to
shoot
or
be
shot,
and
we
really
start
to
drill
down
on
this.
We
have
a
shot
of
convincing
a
the
public
that
we
actually
know
what
we're
doing
and
are
doing
something,
but
also
convincing
the
actors
and
we're
not
playing
with
them
that
we
will
protect
seven-year-old
kids
playing
on
their
porch
and
that
yeah.
F
C
E
The
question
I
have
for
you,
and
also
for
commissioner
outlaw
and
for
judge
tucker,
and
what
leads
me
to
some
of
the
frustration,
not
only
on
my
own
and
on
what
we
as
city
council
are
not
doing
enough.
But
I
guess
because
I
have
a
little
more
inside
baseball
perspective
because
of
my
past
experiences.
E
I'm
trying
to
get
an
understanding
of
why
we've
had
a
33
percent
increase
in
homicides
over
the
past
few
years.
A
lot
a
number
of
issues
that
he
raised
that
have
been
raised
today,
of
issues
that
have
been
there
for
some
time,
but
those
issues
in
2018
and
17
and
16
are
similar
to
now,
but
that
doesn't
explain
the
increase
in
homicides,
and
so
I'm
really
trying
to
get
a
perspective
from
you
in
a
very
simple,
plain,
english
way.
Based
on
your
observation,
what
is
caused?
The
increase
in
homicides.
I
Council
member,
thank
you
very
much
and
I
do
appreciate
your
experience
as
a
prosecutor,
I'm
familiar
with
it
and
it
does
give
you
I
think,
some
inside
baseball,
but
let
me
still
try
not
to
go
inside.
Let
me
try
to
be
simple
with
it.
There
is
the
long-term
issue
in
the
short
term
issue.
I
think
the
the
immediate
spike,
terrible
as
it
is
in
shootings
and
in
homicides,
has
a
lot
to
do
with
what
is
in
fact
a
national
phenomenon.
E
Wait
wait
I
hate
to
jump
in,
I
hate
to
jump
in,
but
I
really
want
you
to
keep
the
focus
on
in
the
city
of
philadelphia
when
you
say
national
phenomenon.
You
know
the
current
occupant
of
public
housing
on
pennsylvania
avenue
on
black
lives
matter
plaza
was
there
in
2018.
So
I
really
would
like
you
to
focus
on
what
has
happened
over
the
past
couple
years
that
have
led
to
the
increase
in
homicides.
E
I
Well,
you
know
I
again,
I
want
to
be
as
candid
as
I
possibly
can.
There's
no
question
the
pandemic
has
played
his
role
here
in
philadelphia.
There's
no
question
about
that.
I
also
think
that
it
is
very
likely
that
some
of
the
issues
that
have
been
illuminated
today
having
to
do
with
clearance
rates,
have
had
their
impact.
I
think
that
is
in
fact
part
of
it.
Philadelphia
does
have
a
chronic
history
of
high
levels
of
poverty
and
relatively
high
levels
of
violence,
which
goes
back,
but
that
is
in
fairness.
I
That
is,
that
is
a
constant
which
has
been
with
the
city
for
a
very
long
time
right.
You
know,
I
I
think
that
in
different
moments
there
have
been
different
issues.
Commissioner,
ross
had
statistics
which
seemed
to
me
to
be
credible
to
point
out
that
one
year's
big
increase
was
almost
entirely
owing
to
drug-related
homicides
because
he
categorized
homicides
by
motive.
I
That
was
what
he
had.
I
accepted
that
as
being
right.
We
were
in
an
opioid
crisis
at
that
time.
The
statistics
now
are
actually
a
little
bit
different.
What
we
are
seeing
and
what
I
am
hearing
more
and
more
from
police
personnel,
is
that
we're
seeing
more
and
more
disrespect
we're
seeing
more
and
more
arguments
we're
seeing
more
and
more
internet
based
conflict
and
retaliation.
I
That
goes
back,
so
I
think
there
may
be
a
little
bit
of
a
shift
in
that
aspect
of
it,
but
I
also
have
to
be
candid
with
you,
council
member,
I
don't
know
for
sure
I
don't
know
for
sure
I
think
there's
a
lot
of
criminologists
with
phds,
who
also
are
not
sure,
but
I
know
this.
I
know
that
I
want
to
work
with
you.
I
want
to
work
with
council.
I
want
to
work
with
ppd
and
with
the
city
to
do
everything
we
can
do.
E
And
I
I
respect
that
answer
because
I
think
that's
something
that
we're
all
struggling
with,
and
I
think
I'm
glad
you
gave
that
answer
because
I
received
a
lot.
We
received
a
lot
of
information
and
I
was
really
trying
to
focus
on
specifically
what
has
led
to
the
increase,
and
I
think
that's
something
we're
all
grappling
with.
E
First
judicial
district,
not
saying
the
leadership
of
every
entity,
needs
to
be
in
those
meetings,
but
a
person
with
responsibility
to
make
decisions,
as
well
as
the
legislative
branch
and
the
executive
branch
to
have
a
real
focus
on
how
we're
going
to
do
things
differently.
In
providing
resources
to
address
people.
Who've
had
issues
but
also
letting
people
know,
because
I
do
unfortunately
believe
there
is
a
belief
and
an
unfortunate
perception
is
reality
that
I,
if
I
decide
to
do
certain
type
of
activity
in
a
criminal
way,
I'm
not
going
to
have
any
repercussions.
E
And
that
is
a
perception.
That's
out
there.
An
unfortunate
perception
is
reality
and
when
you
take
that
perception
with
young
people,
that
not
all
young
but
more
more
and
more
young
people,
that
don't
have
a
fear
of
certain
issues
that
I
think
has
led
to
this
dynamic
and
that's
why
we've
got
to
do
things
differently
and
we've
got
to
do
things
collaboratively.
E
G
C
D
C
It
would
be
great
just
to
you
have
to
do
a
back
and
off
in
terms
of
clarity
that
would
be
put,
and
the
same
thing
goes
for
represents
the
attorney
general's
office
and
the
gun
violence
task
force,
which
also,
I
know,
is
housed
out
of
on
the
aeg's
office
as
well
as
your
office.
Yes,
that
would
be
helpful
as
well,
but
for
the
folks,
but
at
the
end
of
the
day
the
information
was
very,
very
helpful.
That
came
through
again.