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A
Gregory
is
going
to
be
joining
in
about
five
minutes,
so
I
thought
I
would
hold
the
space,
do
a
couple
of
updates
and
also
get
a
couple
updates
from
our
friends
out
in
the
audience.
So
welcome.
Stuxedo,
welcome,
Liam,
Timo
and
Curtis
appreciate
you
all
being
here
to
stand
by
we'll
get
you
up
here
shortly.
A
A
To
feel
free
to
invite
you
up,
if
you're
interested
in
chatting
about
just
an
update
on
the
governor's
proposal
related
to
Quicksilver,
so
holler
I'd
sent
you
an
invite,
but
in
the
meantime,
I'll
cover
a
few
quick
things
that
are
moving
as
we
wait
for
Gregory
to
arrive
and
we
kick
off.
What
should
be
an
exciting
conversation
is
regen
evm
compatible
is,
is
this
a
thing.
A
Movements
are
happening
that
are
making
this
very
possible.
We
want
to
explore
what
that
looks
like
what
it
means,
but
in
the
meantime,
let
me
let's
go
over
a
couple
of
governance.
Things
that
are
have
been
moving
for
us,
one
of
which
is
a
recent
proposal
that
was
put
up
by
low
Labs
validator.
Thank
you.
Ishmael
I
know
you're
working
over
over
in
the
kive
ecosystem
at
the
moment,
hard
getting
at
their
test
net.
A
But
anyhow
this
was
proposal.
It
was
number
26
in
this
past.
Just
this
week
it
allowed
enabling
ICA
on
regen
for
Quicksilver
oh
hold
on
Gregory
I'm,
adding
you
so
will
I
know
you've
been
helping
Shepherd
this
as
it
go
between
between
Regen
in
the
Quicksilver
communities.
I
was
wondering
if
you
might
just
join
us
for
a
sec
and
talk
about
what
this
means
from
your
perspective
or
what
you're
excited
about,
and
what
the
next
steps
are.
C
Yeah
sure
I'll
keep
it
pretty
brief,
since
it
seems
like
we'll
have
a
packed
call
here.
So
liquid
staking
has
been
a
topic
of
discussion
in
the
cosmos
space,
at
least
since
2019,
when
chorus
one
published
a
a
report
on
the
sub
or
started
working
on
a
report
and
published
a
report
on
the
subject,
and
it's
very
natural
extension
of
if
you
have
a
proof
of
stake
chain,
you
want
to
be
able
to
do
things
with
your
stake
tokens
while
still
securing
the
chain.
C
So
that's
kind
of
the
basics
of
a
staking
derivative
which
Quicksilver
is
the
one
we're
moving
forward
with.
First,
although
certainly
other
liquid,
staking
providers
could
onboard
and
regen
in
the
future.
This
governance
proposal
was
about
enabling
interchain
accounts,
which
is
the
the
functionality
that
liquid
staking
protocols
need
to
use
to
to
be
able
to
work.
So
it's
actually
an
interesting
process.
It's
the
Quicksilver
governance
doesn't
doesn't
even
vote
on
whether
or
not
they
adopt
us
basically
is
like,
is
regen
compatible
and
then
building
a
user
interface
for
that
and
then
getting
it
live.
C
So
the
the
governance
proposal
passed
on
the
region
side
and
the
Quicksilver
team
at
this
point
is
just
doing
some
testing
and
setting
up
the
front
end.
You
can
already
liquid
stake,
atoms
and
stars.
So
if
you
want
to
just
go
over
to,
let
me
just
look
at
that
double
check
the
URL
app.quicksilver.zone.
You
can
see
right
now
what
it's
like,
what
the
what
it
feels
like
to
to
liquid
stake,
your
your
stars
or
atom
and
sometime
over
the
next
week,
you'll
be
able
to
do
that
with
your
regen
too.
C
A
A
So
the
low
Labs
team
has
been
hard
at
work
to
find
an
updated
some
updated
language
to
meet
the
gravity.
Community
needs
where
previously
gravity
Bridge
was
going
to
outright
purchase
and
retire
the
carbon
credits
using
osmosis,
and
we
heard
some
concerns
about
the
impact
on
the
gravity,
the
graviton
price
we
listened
to.
That
concerned.
We
re
we
did
an
add-on
proposal
in
regen.
A
I
think
what
we're
hoping
to
be
a
fruitful
partnership
and
journey
with
the
evmos
community
to
bring
Regen
and
the
ethereum
community
closer
together
and
I,
think
that
is
where
we're
going
to
start
exploring
today
and
with
that,
my
first
while
co-host
Gregory
landaway,
has
joined
us
Gregory
welcome.
Thank
you
for
hopping
on
and
yes,
why?
Don't
you
go
ahead
and
pick
this
conversation
up?
B
Yeah
everyone
I'm
I'm,
excited
I'm,
just
just
cross-posting
the
Twitter
spaces
in
a
few
places,
so
yeah
so
high
level
here
and
I'm
hoping
we
can
dig
into
to
some
of
the
details,
but
that
upgrade
or
parameter
change
on
region
Ledger
and
the
yes
vote
on
evmos
are
in
a
lot
of
ways
that
the
prerequisites
towards
the
integration,
through
interchain
accounts
between
an
ethereum
virtual
machine,
evmos
and
region
Ledger
a
community-owned,
the
only
community-owned
native
web
3,
carbon
and
biodiversity
registry.
So
this
is
really
I
I.
B
All
of
the
amazing
Tooling
in
the
ethereum
world,
that's
possible
for
people,
people
building
dapps,
all
of
the
Innovation
is
taking
place
in
refi
with
ethereum.
Virtual
machines
is
now
within
Arms
Reach
of
a
permissionless,
safe
Universal,
Bridge
system
for
message
passing
and
for
token
bridging,
so
with
interchain
accounts.
B
The
the
the
future
here
is
that
we
can
create
this
composable
and
interchain
system
for,
for
instance,
a
dow
that
is
launched
in
a
theory
that
built
in
solidity
and
evm
Dao
to
be
deployed
on
evmos
and
to
manage
a
methodology
for
a
credit
class
on
region,
Ledger
and
participate
in
governance.
We
can
pass
basket
tokens
or
even
the
non-fungible
Eco
credits
back
and
forth,
and
build
tooling
around
that.
So
that
enables
this
sort
of
flexibility
as
well
as
sovereignty
and
Independence.
D
B
Sort
of
The
Best
of
Both
Worlds
I
think
it's
kind
of
important
to
understand.
The
challenges
of
bridging
we've
been
building
a
two
can
regen
bridge
in
partnership
with
the
toucan
team.
For
it's
more
than
a
year
now
the
initial
estimates
of
how
long
it
was
going
to
take
to
create
a
secure,
two-way
Bridge,
we're
no
longer
nowhere
near
that
and
and
it's
complex
to
build
a
safe
Bridge.
B
B
E
B
Kind
of
that's
the
context
and
that's
what
I'm
super
excited
about,
so
so
the
pieces
to
un
unpack
here
and
understand
more
are
functionality
around
interchain
accounts.
What
some
of
there
is
going
to
be
some
amount
of
Dev
work
to
get
sort
of
like
full
interoperability
and
kind
of
understanding.
What
is
and
is
impossible
and
I'm
also
really
excited
for
our
friends
at
evmos
to
explain
a
little
bit
about
you
know:
evmos
the
opportunities
for
people
deploying
dapps
to
be
earning
incentives,
because
Atmos
has
a
really
cool
token
economics
design.
B
A
B
Maybe
maybe
Liam
or
Curtis
or
both.
Why
don't?
We
start
with
just
a
just?
An
introduction
of
Atmos
is
token
incentives
and
sort
of
the
opportunities
for
people
deploying
the
apps,
and
then
we
can
dig
in.
So
that's
one
just
like
overview
of
that
and
then
I
actually
want
to
double
click
on
just
entertain
accounts
and
the
role
of
interchange,
accounts
in
and
IBC
and
interoperability.
B
In
order
to
in
order
to
achieve
these,
here's
some
actual
pieces
of
work
that
need
to
be
done
by
someone,
so
we
can
kind
of
Define
those
and
make
that
clear
for
people
doing
work
like
Teemo
I'm
super
excited
is
this
the
relationship
between
Basin
and
region
that
we've
been
envisioning?
You
know,
that's
that's!
That's
where
I
really
want
this
conversation
to
go
so
for.
A
F
F
Incentives
for
users,
developers
and
validators,
and
so
in
a
traditional
you
know,
blockchain
the
biggest
person
that
benefits
from
the
incentives
is
the
validators
from
earning
you
know,
rewards
from
inflation,
as
well
as
like
staking
rewards
and
transaction
fees,
and
so
we
really
wanted
to
try
and
balance
this
out
with,
like
users
and
developers
a
little
bit
more
and
so
for
one.
We
introduced
this
idea
of
fee
splits
where
basically,
we
take
50
of
all
transaction
fees
and
give
that
to
developers.
F
You
know
various
projects
and
initiatives,
and
so
we
really
kind
of
wanted
to
create
multiple
opportunities
and
touch
points
for
the
various
user
types
in
the
atmos
ecosystem.
To
be
able
to,
you
know,
get
economic
alignment
out
of
it
and
then
Greg.
You
talked
a
little
bit
quicker.
You
talked
a
little
bit
about
you
know,
interchange
accounts,
and
you
know
I
think
this
is
definitely
something
that
we
are
getting
increasingly
excited
about
at
evmos,
after
all,
in
our
V12
upgrade,
which
is
going
to
be
happening
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks.
B
E
F
Yeah,
so
we
will
so
Nelson
safes
are
already
live
on
evmos
in
general,
you
can
go
to
safe.evmos.org
to
access
those
notes
to
safes
and
spin
up
your
own,
and
then
we've
also
got
tooling
such
as
that
from
like
x-style,
which
is
built
on
evmos
and
makes
it
possible
for
you
to
leverage
kind
of
these
boilerplate,
Dows
or
Dow
structures
in
terms
of
being
able
to
then
use.
That
knows
to
say
functionality
to
be
able
to
interact
with
region.
F
B
B
G
G
We,
you
know
we
align
with
the
values
and
what
you
guys
are
building
and
the
you
know
the
interchange
and
the
zones
and
everything
but
the
when
you
look
at
like
post,
merge,
ethereum
and
open
source.
You
know
get
GitHub
repositories
and
code,
that's
already
there.
You
know,
you
know
whether
they're
public
goods
or
not.
That
could
be
that's.
G
That
could
be
up
in
question,
but
the
the
technology
that
we're
using
was
just
there
to
be
used
and
they're
to
be
forked
and
they're
to
be
built
on
and
we
have
collaborative
teams.
You
know,
for
example,
our
our
DOT
Basin
contract,
that's
a
ERC
721
on
Punk
domains.
You
know
open
source
project,
our
the
charge
particle,
D5,
nft
cut.
You
know
the
Basin
contract
is
enabled
with
that.
So
it's
it
puts
Ave
inside
of
each
Basin
token
for
yield
bearing
assets
or
or
any
you
know,
any
erc20.
G
Any
nft
can
go
inside
and
then
we're
we're
also,
obviously
using
safes.
So
when
you
know
William's
talking
about
safes
on
on
of
most
that's
like
totally
awesome
to
to
start,
you
know
playing
with
that
and
then
a
big
thing
we're
we're
working
with
is
Ross
and
crew
from
Kali,
which
is
an
offshoot
of
Lex
Dow,
and
they
have
three
different
things
that
we're
we're
playing
with
and
using
and
and
I
think.
G
All
of
it
is
applicable
to
like
a
lot
of
people
and
projects
here
and
in
refi,
but
the
you
know
their
Kali
Dow
multi-sig
to
Mint
a
token.
Basically,
you
know
we're
using
it
with
cougar
Dow
for
LLC
shares,
so
the
cougar
token
is
basically
just
shares
of
an
LLC.
You
know
Delaware,
you
know
we
spun
it
up
with
you
know
it's
like
a
two-click
process.
You
can
do
a
seven
click
process
to
to
form
a
Delaware
LLC
or
a
unincorporated,
non-profit,
Association
they're,
working
on
team
and
Trust
right
now.
G
So
this
you
know
this
whole
idea
of
connecting
the
legal
world
to
you
know
the
the
crypto
world
like
this.
It's
happening
here
at
Kali,
which
is
you
know
it's
all
on
ethereum
or
polygon,
or
you
know
they're
on
optimism
and
arbitrum
I.
Think
as
well.
You
know,
then
so
the
wrapper
product
is
that's
the
legal
entities
and
then
they
have
a
new
one
called
the
keep,
which
is
a
more
I,
think
forward-thinking,
ERC,
1155,
safe
multi-sig.
So
we're
starting
to
play
with
that
and
then
the
next
thing
is
zero.
G
D
D
So
yesterday
my
car
was
overheating
and
this
is
like
you
know
a
message:
it's
panning
out
for
everybody
in
the
blockchain
space
and
crypto
is
so
my
car
was
overheating
and
so
I
got
it
all
I
kind
of
worked
on
it
fixed
it.
You
know,
got
the
coolant
everything
figured
out
and
then
I'm
on
my
way
to
work.
I
was
actually
not
going
to
be
a
part
of
this
call.
D
Today,
I
was
going
to
be
working
at
the
farm
that
I
work
at
Family
Farm,
but
my
car
started
to
go.
Get
hotter
when
I
got
into
town,
I
was
slowing
down
and
it
just
kept
getting
hotter,
so
I
pulled
over
and
just
kind
of
called
the
shop
and
get
it
all
fixed
up.
But
you
know
kind
of
like
relaying
this
message
of
when
we
see
something
you
know
this
is
this.
Is
our
car
like
I
would
say?
D
Atmos
is
like
our
car
that
we're
driving
it's
getting
us
from
point,
A
to
point
B
and
and
doing
so
much
stuff
for
us.
You
know
carrying
people
and
helping
people,
and
but
we
we
have
this
car,
that's
it's
it's
overheating
or
or
whatever,
and
when
you
address
the
problem
before
it
gets
worse,
you
know
I
had
to
make
a
choice
to
you
know:
I
had
Cooling
in
my
car
I
got
all
this.
D
You
know
when
I
drive
fast,
it
cools
down
my
car,
but
when
I
the
fan
wasn't
isn't
working
so
yeah
like
so
we
need
to
address
these
problems.
You
know
we
see
this
environmental
impact,
that's
happening,
the
the
demand,
that's
Rising
for
this
ecoservices,
and
we
need
to
act
on
that
now
and
so
that's
kind
of
like
this
proposal.
That's
been
going
on,
and
so
this
is
kind
of
more
than
just
the
benefiting
the
chain
itself.
D
I
know
there
was
a
lot
of
pushback
from
of
most
community
members
and
to
you
know
to
not
trust,
something
that
is
been.
You
know:
we've
we've
had
issues
with
carbon
credits
with
Vera
and
all
this
is
all
this
stuff,
and
so
it
was
really
important
for
us.
So
we
you
know,
that's
why
we
had
to
kind
of
push
our
vote
and
push
our
way
through
and-
and
we
know
we
know
the
importance
of
it-
I
don't
think
so.
This
car
that
we're
we
can
this.
D
This
is
more
than
just
for
my
car.
You
know
there's
so
much.
That
goes
into
like
what
my
car
does
for
me.
What
does
it
for
other
people?
I
have
jobs,
I
gotta
go
to
so
this
this
proposal
is
not
more,
is
more
than
just
for
this
chain
itself.
I
think
as
Timo
is
talking
about
a
laundry
list
of
so
many
things,
that's
going
on
outside
of
edmos.
That
Atmos
could
just
you
know,
solve
what's
going
on
in
that
most
can
and
can
really
help
the
entire
community
and
the
entire
space.
D
That's
going
on
and
so
kind
of
a
back
story
on.
You
know
where
I
came
into
this
proposal
and
when
I
got
in
touch
with
stakesido
nemes,
it
was
more.
We
were
changing
the
proposal.
A
little
bit
we
had
to
update
it
for
certain
things
and
that's
the
one
that
kind
of
talked
about
this
refi
work,
stream
and
and
a
dow
system
that's
going
on
and
a
sub
dial
for
evmos
and-
and
so
you
know,
that's
that's
kind
of
like
what's
going
on.
D
So
all
these
you
know,
Atmos
is
is
more
than
just
at
most
a
chain,
but
it's
it's
four
other
things
it's
for
the
whole
world
and
you
know
we
need
to
figure
out
where
the
demand
is
and
that's
like
the
end
user.
You
know
that's
people
like
you
and
me
I'm,
I'm,
walking
around
right
now,
actually
with
my
briefcase,
because
my
car
is
in
the
shop
and
I'm
just
like
waiting
for
my
callback
and
joining
this
call.
So
just
wanted
to
shout
out,
you
know,
live
I!
B
Cool
thanks,
Curtis
yeah,
so
so
just
a
little
background
there
it
was
there
was.
There
was
obviously
some
some
heated
and
interesting
governance
discussions
about
the
first
off,
just
the
carbon
off
setting
of
evmos
and
getting
that
done.
You
know
that
past,
which
is
exciting
and
and
part
of
the
reason
it
passed
was
the
discussion
with
the
community
around
being
able
to
start
to
build
interoperability
for
Eco
credits
for
evm
systems
and
I.
Think
we
just
heard.
D
B
Kind
of
ramble
a
little
bit
about
his
desire
to
get
stuff
onto
polygon
or
cello,
you
know
I
kind
of
want
to
bring
it
back
to
maybe
Landing
this
with
Liam.
You
know
what
are
the?
What
are
your
guys's
how's
it
going.
You
know
in
the
competition
for
I,
guess
a
block
space
between
different
evm
systems
and
for
evmos
to
be
sort
of
the
IBC
evm,
and
in
this
this
conversations
like
where
do
dap
developers
deploy?
Are
you
seeing
a
world
in
which
people
are
deploying
into
multiple
EVMS?
F
F
You
know
multiple
EVMS,
and
this
is
largely
in
part
because
you
know
there
really
aren't
that
many
differences
from
a
functionality
perspective
of
many
of
these
EVMS
out
there,
and
so
you
know,
there's
differences
in
security
models,
and
maybe
you
know
transactions
per
second,
but
otherwise
a
lot
of
people
are
just
building
the
same
thing
and
then
just
kind
of
copy
pasta.
It.
F
So
that's
thinking
about
you
know
these
evm
extensions
as
we
call
it
or
evm
pre-compiles
for
the
developers
in
the
audience
where
we
can
make
it
possible
for
solidity.
Contracts
built
on
evmos
to
take
advantage
of
things
like
interchain
accounts,
take
advantage
of
things
like
staking
bonding
unbonding
and
delegating
and
even
cooler,
take
advantage
of
things
like
IBC
transfers
and
interchange,
queries
and
so
really
making
it
possible
so
that
people
can
build
not
just
multi-chain
applications
but
actually
cross-chain.
B
F
B
When
we
get
the
farther
you,
you
have
to
bridge
something
the
more
you
lose
functionality
or
resolution
or
the
more
money
you
have
to
pay
to
maintain
it
and
the
more
risk
there
is,
and
so,
when
we
get
into
and
the
ethereum
world
has
this
challenge
like
to
to
move
between
arbitrum
and
optimism
and
polygon,
for
instance,
there
is
no
interoperability
standard
and
you
have
these
sort
of
high
risk,
bridging
issues
and
and
the
the
L2
solutions
to
that
and
fraud,
proof
around
optimism
and
Roll-Ups.
None
of
this
stuff
is
answered.
B
Yet
it's
just
it's
just
it's
just
not
done
yet
so
if
it
to
the
degree
to
which
you
want
to
integrate
functionality
and
not
just
move
sort
of
a
standard
token
across
systems
having
IBC
access
is
highly
valuable
right,
so
I
think
that's
the
that's
the
core
and
interesting
piece
of
the
puzzle
and
as
we've
been
sort
of
mentioning
avmoth
is
an
evm
system.
So
it's
just
like
deploying
onto
polygon
or
orcelo
Etc
I'm.
You
know
at
some
point
it'd
be
interesting
to
chat
a
little
bit
more
about
Bridge
Dynamics
Ryan.
B
Would
you
be
willing
to
chat
a
little
bit
with
us
about
just
kind
of
the
relationship
between
interchain
accounts
and
I,
I?
Guess
just
sort
of
like
the
reality
of
of
bridge
challenges?
You
know
because
you've
been
learning
and
managing
and
thinking
about
this
for
a
little
bit,
just
sort
of
like
give
us
an
understanding
of
design,
constraints
and
development
constraints
around
achieving
or
like
just
around
bridging
and
interchange
interoperability.
H
Yeah
I
can
jump
in
where
to
start
wow
I
mean
one.
One
of
the
first
things
to
think
about
is
the
Eco
credit
module
is
not
IVC
compatible.
It
would
require
us
adding
IBC
functionality
to
the
Eco
credit
module
within
the
cosmos
SDK,
we
have
item.
We
have
like
IBC
modules
like
IBC
transfer
that
enables
IBC
for
token
transfers.
H
We
would
have
to
implement
something
similar
to
that
to
allow
for
Eco
credits
themselves
to
be
transferred,
but
we
do
have
the
the
basket
module,
which
tokenizes
Eco
credits
and
basically
puts
them
into
a
basket
or
what
is
the
equivalent
almost
equivalent
of
a
carbon
pool,
and
that
is
a
that
that
could
be
transferred
over
this
IBC
transfer
module.
So
there
is
some
implementation
on
the
region
Ledger
side
in
order
to
make
Eco
credits
themselves,
IBC
transferable.
B
H
Yeah
I
can
I
can
I
can
pull
back
a
little
bit
so
with
Eco
credits,
they're
they're,
essentially
non-fungible
or
semi-fungible
token,
like
nfts.
If
you
want
to
use
that
framing,
but
in
in
regen
land
we
don't,
we
don't
use
that
framing
necessarily.
But
the
idea
here
is
that
you
have
like
a
credit
batch
and
within
that
credit
batch,
you
have
credits
and
credits
are
only
fungible
with
other
credits
from
the
same
credit
batch.
H
So
when
you
basket
a
token
you're,
basically
kind
of
putting
the
credit
on
hold
on
regen
Ledger
and
essentially
turning
it
into
a
token
that
can
be
transferred
across
IBC,
but
once
that
tokens
transferred,
if
you
have
a
basket
token
on
another
chain,
you
can't
retire
that
basket
token
on
the
other
chain.
You
actually
have
to
transfer
that
back
to
regen
Ledger
and
then
redeem
it
for
an
underlying
credit
within
the
basket
and
then
you're
able
to
retire
it.
H
So
the
I,
the
idea
with
the
basket
module,
was
to
essentially
enable,
like
liquidity,
pools
on
osmosis
as
well
as
other
chains.
That
would
be
interested
in
holding
a
basket
token
as,
like
a
representation
of
an
ego
credit,
that's
locked
and
secured
for
them
to
redeem
on
reach
on
Ledger
at
any
point
in
time
that
they
want
to
transfer
it
back
and.
B
Delegates
to
a
pool
yeah,
the
the
like,
it
is
a
pool.
We
have
a
the
basket
module
allows
you
to
pool
it,
pool
a
token,
fully
collateralize
it
and
move
it,
make
it
IBC,
compatible
and
move
it
move
it
cross
chain
and
and
in
conversations
and
so
to
cycle.
This
back
to
the
conversation
that
Teemo
is
bringing
up.
You
know
so
so
you
can
right
now
move
basket
tokens
across
axelar
to
Sello
or
polygon
or
any
other
bridged.
B
D
B
And
as
Liam
was
talking
about,
there's
still
a
little
bit
of
work
to
do
right
so
Ryan.
Could
you
just
briefly
compare
and
contrast
the
amount
of
work
that
would
be
necessary
to
sort
of
achieve
cross-chain
interoperability
via
a
bridge
versus
cross
chain
interoperability
via
IVC,
just
to
kind
of
contextualize?
You
know
those
two
different
approaches,
because
I
think
that's
kind
of
what
we're
talking
about
and
why
we've
been
excited
about
Atmos
for
sort
of
like
making
like
localizing
an
evm
to
our
functionality
at
Regen.
H
So
there
that's
like
the
big
component,
that's
missing
and
like
kind
of
what
I
was
talking
about
earlier,
there's
this
idea
around
fee
splitting
and
royalties
and
that's
like
a
particular
feature
that
we
want
to
ensure
gets
replicated
if
we
were
to
build
these
evm
contracts.
So
if,
if
we,
if
we
were
to
transfer
Eco
credits
right
now
to
another
chain
that
potentially
didn't
have
like
fee
splits
and
royalties,
just
for
clarification,
we
don't
have
this
at
the
moment
on
regen
Ledger.
But
this
is
something
that
we're
looking
into.
H
But
if
we
were
to
transfer
those
Eco
credits
over
and
then
we
actually
did
have
fee
slits
and
royalties
on
regen
Ledger,
then
we
wouldn't
actually
be
able
to
track
the
number
of
transfers
and
the
rewards.
Wouldn't
the
fees
wouldn't
actually
go
back
to
the
project
developer
or
the
the
the
the
land
stewards
on
the
ground,
because
we
would
basically
lose
the
ability
to
track
the
number
of
transfers
if
it
was
just
deployed
to
like
converted
to
some
other
type
of
Eco
credit
via
like
being
on
a
solidity
in
a
solidity
contract.
H
So
there's
there's
infrastructure
that
needs
to
be
built
and
when
we
would,
we
would
like
to
cooperate
with
any
projects
that
are
wanting
to
build
that
so
that
ensuring
that,
like
the
functionality
and
features
that
are
available
on
regen,
are
going
to
be
replicated
into
these
sort
of
contracts
on
other
evm
chains
and
yeah.
So
I
I
think
the
big
piece
there
is
is
essentially
kind
of
starting
to
work
on
those
contracts.
And
there
are
some
projects
that
have
shown
interest
in
working
on
that
I
know
like
Eden.
H
So
either
the
the
funds
are
always
getting
going
back
to
the
land,
stewards
or
the
project
developers
or
or
whatever
the
the
the
set
fees
are.
We're
I
mean
we're
talking
about
this
in
relation
to
like,
in,
like
credit
classes
being
able
to
set
their
own
fees.
So
there
there
needs
to
be
that
yeah
that
that
that
granularity
in
terms
of
each
credit
class
having
their
own
kind
of
model
or
or
structure
in
terms
of
fees
and
royalties,
so
yeah
a
lot
of
work
to
do.
H
B
Ryan
so
now,
I
want
to
just
chat
a
little
bit.
Well,
maybe
just
like
zooming
out
give
nemus
at
stake,
Sito
a
chance
to
just
chat
a
little
bit
about
I
mean
you
guys
did
so
much
work.
Super
super
grateful
around
the
engagement
and
Leadership
that
you
took
with
the
atmos
community
and
just
broader,
so
I'm,
just
just
want
to
sort
of
like
take
a
step
back
and
and
ask
what
are
you?
E
Sure,
Gregory,
hey
friends,
this
is
nemus
from
stake.
Zero
yeah
I
mean
we
are
I
mean.
First
of
all,
we
are
super
excited
that
this
proposal
has
passed.
I
mean
it
has
been
I,
think
four
or
five
months
since
you
guys
had
region,
approached
us
with
the
cosmo
zero
campaign,
and
we
right
away
basically
said
yes,
let's
do
that.
I
mean
sounds
awesome.
E
As
you
know,
crypto
has
been
a
long-term
region
supporter
even
way
long
before
the
marketplace
launched
so
I
mean
this
whole.
This
whole
topic
of
regenerative,
Finance,
climate
change
and
all
the
issues
that
we
have
on
the
planet.
Basically,
it's
obviously
also
something
that
concerns
us
as
a
validator.
So
we
are
super
excited
to
see
the
soul,
refi
movement
on
Cosmos,
and
we
were
also
sort
of
supporter
of
Atmos
since
since
day,
one
and
knowing
that
all
the
refi
apps
are
currently
in
the
evm
space,
we
saw
the
opportunity
in
thought
yeah.
E
E
You
guys
have
to
tell
us,
and
maybe
even
natively,
launching
carbon
credits
on
devmos
and
maybe
even
one
of
the
first
quick
wins
that
we
could
have
within
the
next
few
weeks
or
months
is
listing
Atmos
as
a
token
on
region
Marketplace
as
well.
I
think
this
proposal
shouldn't
be
too
difficult
to
pass
since
most
obviously
committed
now
to
offset
with
region,
but
yeah
I
just
wanted
to
say
that
this
has
been
a
cross-ecosystem
effort.
E
I
mean
lots
of
people
that
are
here
in
the
audience
have
been
involved:
Curtis,
kazani,
many
other
validators
and
Sarah,
and
the
region
teams.
So
yeah
I'm,
pretty
impressed
about
the
lobby
efforts
and
everything
that
we
have
seen
and
yeah
I'm
excited
to
see:
revi,
refi
and
havemos,
but
generally
across
Cosmos,
and
hopefully
more
chains
will
will
join
this
movement.
B
E
B
And
we
learned
so
much
in
the
process
of
the
carbon
zero
campaign.
I
I
think
you
know
a
couple
things
that
I
learned
from
this.
You
know
number
one
is
just
boy
it.
This
sort
of
work
is
so
much
harder
in
a
bear.
Market,
you
know
people
protocol
governance,
generally
speaking,
gets
just
like
ever
more
difficult
depending
on
I
guess
the
collective
psychology
of
the
people
who
are
are
voting
also.
That
forces
us
to
really
hone
in
on
things,
and
so
you
know
I'm
was
for
a
long
time.
B
E
B
B
The
foundation
has
paid
for
it
right,
and
so
this
is
actually
a
community
that
debated
with
one
another
of
token
holders
and
engaged
and
decided
to
commit
to
carbon
offsetting
and
to
commit
to,
as
that
proposal
says,
sort
of
a
longer
Arc
of
development
around
ensuring
that
sort
of
regenerative
finance
dapps
that
need
to
interoperate
with
region.
Network
have
a
great
home
on
avmos.
B
In
terms
of
just
like
sort
of
pioneering,
it's
slower,
because
you
don't
just
have
somebody
sitting
on
a
big
pile
of
cash,
saying,
hey
I'm,
going
to
offset
and
make
this
part
of
our
our
sort
of
like
campaign
to
attract
people.
Instead,
you
have
this
community
process
where
people
have
to
get
educated
about
carbon,
get
educated
about
regenerative
Finance
start
to
understand
the
process,
so
we
had,
as
Curtis
had
been
talking
about.
B
B
Think
looking
forward-
and
this
is
always
like
limited
bandwidth,
limited
people
limited
funds,
but
some
of
the
things
that
emerged
as
as
desired
by
the
validator
community
across
these
different
governance
processes
that
we
went
through
with
which
evos
is
the
is
the
latest
and
stargaze
is
coming
up,
is
the
need
to
develop
more
automated
offsetting
and,
in
addition
to
focusing
on
the
crediting
side,
which
regen
has
really
focused
on
over
the
last
couple
of
years.
Building
that.
D
B
Building
the
data,
mod
model
out,
building
community
of
verifiers,
etc,
etc.
We
also
need
sort
of
emissions,
estimations
or
sort
of
an
Eco
debit
module.
At
some
point.
That
was
clear
in
in
sort
of
like
the
dialogue
and
engagement
that
that
stuff
needs
to
emerge,
I'm
going
to
pause
and
see
Ryan.
If
you
want
to
jump
in
and
share
anything.
H
Yeah
I
I
also
just
wanted
to
kind
of
loop
back
a
little
bit
because
I
did
just
put
all
these
kind
of
like
technical
restraints
and
limitations
on
Bridges,
but
regen
Ledger
5.0
included
the
latest
I
ICA
module.
So
another
approach
in
thinking
is
this
multi-chain
thesis
and
vision
and
app
specific
blockchain
thesis
and
vision,
where
essentially
regen
can
be
the
ecological
accounting
system
and
that's
where
the
credits
can
live
and
you
can
interact
with
regen
Eco
credits
from
evmos
through
an
ICA
account.
H
There
actually
is
a
community
discussion
right
now
to
enable
message
by
Direct
in
message
retire
for
this
project
called
Cosmic
Horizon.
One
of
our
one
of
our
team
members
is
working
on
on
the
side
and
it
it
it.
It
basically
would
enable
them
to
basically
buy
and
retire
credits
on
their
chain
through
their
application,
which
is
a
game,
and
that
can
that
that
that
functionality
is
available
today.
H
So
the
governance
proposal
is
in
a
discussion
and
if
there's
other
messages
that
are
wanting
to
be
called
from
another
chain,
then
you
can
go
through
a
governance
proposal
to
basically
add
them
to
the
ICA
host,
allowed
messages,
param
and
and
I'm.
Also
very
supportive
of
a
bridge,
but
there's
there's
definitely
a
lot
of
a.
B
Almost
you
basically
have
all
of
the
benefits
of
in
quotes,
abridge,
but
you're
controlling
and
address
using
messaging
and
features
and
functions
so
that
you
can
own
the
asset,
move
the
asset
retire,
the
assets
Etc,
but
you're
not
actually
Bridging
the
asset.
So
you
have
less
security
risk.
You
have
less
issues
through
interchain
accounts
right.
H
B
And
why
it's
like
just
double
clicking
on
this?
Why
is
it
useful
like
what's
the
value
proposition
as
opposed
to
having
like
bridging
liquidity
everywhere
and
having
multiple,
like
you
know,
some
someone's
creating
a
credit
on
you
know,
cello
somebody
else
on
BevMo
somebody
else
on
polygon.
Somebody
else
on
you
know
what
would
the
what
would
win?
How
would
we
win
or
sort
of
accelerate
regenerative
finance
and
responsible
engagement
by
having
equal
having
a
single
but
decentralized
ecological
accounting
system?
That's
then
controlled
operated,
owned
and
engaged
with
by
this
sort
of
like
cross-chain
world.
H
I
I
mean
I
I.
Think,
like
it
kind
of
for
me,
goes
along
with
the
app
chain
specific
thesis
where,
essentially,
you
have
a
team
that
is,
is
committed
and
fully
focusing
on
high
quality
credits
and
functionality
to
support
those
credits
and
replicating
all
that
functionality
and
then
kind
of
having
that
be
dispersed
across
the
multiple
chains
and
having
everyone
kind
of
implementing
a
slightly
different
approach.
Like
there's.
There's
this
there's
this
kind
of
instant,
like
overwhelming,
like
okay,
there's
too
many
things,
these
don't
interoperate.
H
H
Eco
credits
like?
Are
they
properly
curated?
So
there
there's
just
there's
like
there's
a
lot
of
extra
work
in
in
we're
all
kind
of
guilty
of
just
like
taking
on
too
much
work
in
in
trying
to
do
everything
and
I
think
leveraging
this
like
kind
of
multi-chain
vision
in
interchange,
accounts
and
application.
Specific
thesis
would
really
kind
of
help
us
all
grow
and
move
forward
as
a
larger
web3,
Community
100.
B
I
mean
I.
What
I'm
excited
about
there
is
that
we
can
achieve
a
Commons,
The,
Cooperative
governance
of
the
complex
process
to
ensure
quality
reality
of
Eco
credits
in
a
way,
that's
impossible
if
everybody
fragments
out
and
does
it
everywhere,
but
in
a
way
that
everybody,
wherever
they
build,
can
fully
own
right.
B
Somebody
who's
deploying
on
Solana
or
somebody
who
deployed
on
you
know,
cello
or
or
wherever
it
may
be,
and
together
we
sort
of
co-own
and
cooperate
around
regen
Ledger
as
this
Ledger
of
record
as
an
application
specific
chain
that
is
really
just
for
the
this
quite
complex
process
of
ecological,
eco,
eco
crediting,
ecological
asset
issuance
standards,
governance,
the
data
standards
and
all
those
other
things.
So
I
think
that's
a
really
clear
articulation
of
things
and
I
think
and
I.
Think
evmos
is
there's
enough.
B
B
You
know
these
are
just
simple
parameter,
changes
and
engagements
to
a
large
degree,
so
starting
there
and
then
seeing
what
else
do
we
need
to
build
to
make
it
really?
You
know
really
Thrive
so
I'm
gonna,
I'm
gonna,
leave
it
there.
Yeah
thanks
for
everybody's
attention,
have
a
beautiful
week
and
look
forward
to
seeing
you
all
again
soon.