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Austin Wade Smith, Executive Director of Regen Foundation joins us to chat about the role of non-profits in regenerative economics. The Regenerati News Hour is an opportunity for community engagement for anyone interested in planetary regeneration.
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A
A
B
Yeah
that
sounds
good
hi
everybody
nice
to
see
you
on
this
Thursday
I'm
coming
at
you
live
from
Brooklyn
New
York,
where
it
feels
like
it's
already
spring
and
I.
Never
we
never
actually
ever
got
the
snowfall
once
so
I'm
a
little
I'm
a
little
sad.
Actually,
even
though
it's
a
beautiful
day,
I
feel
like
it
should
be
a
blustery
winter
day,
but
it's
not
and
that's
the
new
normal,
so
yeah
go
figure,
maybe
just
to
warm
it
up.
Will
how
are
you
today
how's
it
going.
C
B
Yeah,
that's
a
great
start,
I
feel
like.
We
should
actually
give
that
a
little
bit
of
space,
because
we've
never
talked
about
it
on
a
Twitter
space
before
and
a
lot
is
moving
and
shaking
with
regards
to
regen
foundation
and
the
Earth
loss
center.
So
this
might
be
a
cool
opportunity
to
share
a
little
bit
of
that
and
sort
of
set
the
stage
for
it.
B
So
yeah,
I'll,
I'll,
say
a
few
more
words
about
it,
so
will
is
referring
to
Grant
Wilson
who's,
the
director
of
the
earth,
Law
Center
and
a
close
collaborator
for
the
region
foundation
and
the
Earth
Law
Center
is
a
kind
of
global
Authority.
Like
literally
wrote,
The
Textbook
on
eco-centric
law,
particularly
in
relation
to
Legal
personhood
and
the
rights
of
nature
movement
and
the
the
rights
of
nature
Movement.
B
We
could
describe
as
giving
legal
standing
to
more
than
human
entities
so
that
they
can
Advocate
or
to
be
defended
in
a
court
of
law
for
their
own
rights
and
the
rights
of
nature.
Movement
has
really
gained
in
popularity
as
a
way
to
sort
of
tether,
historical
models
of
inter-being
or
kinship,
with
contemporary
legal
processes
and
practices.
B
So
Grant
in
particular,
is
really
interested
in
discussing
how
some
of
the
emerging
technologies
that
are
happening
within
within
blockchain
space,
decentralized
governance
and
decentralized
storage
systems
and
decentralized
finance
to
an
extent
can
be
integrated
in
built
on
top
of
a
rights-based
approach
to
to
the
non-human
world
and
yeah
we're
actually
working
on
a
white
paper
with
some
other
folks
that
should
be
coming
out
in
about
four
to
six
months.
I
think
that's
probably
realistic.
B
As
entities
within
the
different
systems
and
infrastructures
that
we've
built
and
in
that
way,
cause
those
infrastructures
to
exert
pressure
on
themselves
and
the
rights
of
nature
movement
is
a
really
clear
example
of
that.
Where,
if
giving
a
tree
personhood
status
means
it
has
the
right
to
grow
and
the
right
to
stand,
and
you
don't
simply
have
to
have
people
advocate
for
its
well-being.
B
But
super
super
exciting
as
a
new
kind
of
model
to
explore
enfranchising
and
distributing
resourcing
to
regenerative
projects
to
think
about
ecosystems
themselves,
actually
holding
those
those
resources
and
and
letting
Guardians
Steward
them
and
will
I
know
that
you
have
an
interest
in
animism
like
I,
do
and
I
know.
I'm
part
of
how
both
of
us
came
into
this
space
is
in
a
way
from
an
interest
in
working
through
the
kind
of
Economic
and
Technical
dimensions
of
animism,
and
so
maybe
I'm.
B
C
Just
this
like
clockwork
machine.
That's
following
some
set
of
rules
that,
in
in
the
last
few
years,
especially
in
the
scientific
literature
teleology,
has
been
something
that
it's
really
only
like
politically
correct.
To
ascribe
to
human
actors
that
you
know
a
human,
a
community,
a
government,
a
nation,
all
of
those
things
can
have
have
sovereignty
and
can
have
directionality
and
can
have
aims.
C
At
rights
of
nature
is
just
saying
like
well,
maybe
we
should
revisit
that
assumption.
Certainly,
a
lot
of
the
latest
science
around
I,
I,
guess
kind
of
the
like
the
sentience
and
perceptive
capacity
of
other
organisms
has
has
really
blown
us
away
that,
like
wow
there's
depending
on
what
organism
you're
looking
at
they
have
this
phenomenally
Rich
perception
of
the
world.
They're
able
to
see
all
these
things
hear
all
these
things
smell
all
these
things
that
we
as
humans
cannot,
and
it
starts
to
make
you
wonder.
C
Maybe
it's
useful
in
the
way
that
they're
working
to
keep
ecosystems,
thriving
and
other
things
like
that,
and
so
I
I
think
that
that
Gap
is
starting
to
close
and
people
are
starting
to
question
this
taboo
or
prohibition
on
using
teleological
language
to
describe
non-human
actors
and
I.
Think
rights
of
nature
is
is
sort
of
like
one
one
layer
down
from
that
of.
We
need
some
kind
of
ethical
framework
to
protect
the
sovereignty
of
these
entities.
B
Recently,
like
James
Bridal's
ways
of
being
comes
to
mind,
a
lot
of
work
around
the
sort
of
the
the
internet,
that
is
a
forest,
the
wood,
Wide,
Web,
Etc,
and
so
maybe
thinking
about
thinking
about
the
more
than
human
world
is
having
rights
or
having
a
cell
of
Telos
is
to
say
that
it
provides
services.
It
even
does
work.
You
could
say
to
what
extent
we
want
to
describe
a
forest
or
a
rainforest
or
a
tree
as
providing
services
to
humans
or
a
little
broader
sort
of
web
of
ecology.
B
Ask
you
to
introduce
yourself
too
and
then
we'll
kind
of
walk
through
some
of
the
active
animating
things
that
are
happening
at
the
foundation
and
maybe
we'll
keep
on
this
bigger
picture
kind
of
more
almost
philosophical
approach,
because
I
feel
like
it
doesn't
get
a
lot
of
air
time
within
Twitter
or
within
the
sort
of
technical
platform
politics
or
the
Shilling.
That
happens.
B
So
maybe
we'll
try
to
keep
some
of
these
higher
level
questions
at
the
front
of
Mind
during
today's
Twitter
session,
because
because
that's
what's
under
the
hood
of
a
lot
of
region,
Network
so
hi,
my
name
is
Austin.
Wade,
Smith
and
I
have
stepped
into
the
role
of
the
executive
director
at
the
region.
B
Foundation
starting
January,
1st
2023-
and
this
is
my
first
Twitter
space
saying
that
so
that's
exciting,
and
what
we'd
like
to
do
is
spend
a
little
bit
of
time
talking
about
like
what
the
role
of
the
foundation
is
in
the
larger
ecosystem.
What
the
role
of
a
non-profit
could
be
within
the
larger
regenerative
economic
space
and
to
think
through
in
kind
of
detail,
some
of
the
active
things
that
are
moving
as
initiatives,
programs
and
projects
and
rights
of
nature
that
we
just
discussed
is
definitely
be
one
of
them.
C
Yeah
I'm
will
I'm
president
of
the
board
at
regen
foundation
and
helped
get
the
region
project
going
back
in
2017.,
I'm
I'm
based
in
western
Mass
and
I.
Think
at
least
all
of
you
on
the
call
here
know
me
but
but
I.
Maybe
there
will
be
many
listeners
and
days
to
come
in
this
recording.
So
thanks
for
tuning
in
I'll
hand
it
back
over
to
you
again
Austin.
B
So
one
of
the
things
that
we'd
like
to
start
out
the
session
with
today
is
to
talk
about
what
the
initial
intention
for
what
the
region
Foundation
is
not
simply
within
the
region
network,
but
within
the
larger
refi
space,
but
I
think
also
more
actively
around
connecting
to
entities
and
organizations
and
projects
that
are
outside
of
web
3.
That
that
touch
upon
the
sort
of
overlapping
and
adjacent
concerns
and
desires
that
that
that
might
be
shared
with
refi.
And
so
we
talked
initially
about
the
rights
of
nature.
B
In
order
to
ensure
that
the
Technologies
are
actually
ultimately
in
service,
tuber
generators
and
those
on
the
ground
who
are
implementing
and
protecting
the
living
world
and
secondarily
to
to
ensure
that
the
sort
of
evolution
of
decentralized
finance,
of
decentralized
storage,
of
decentralized
governance
through
the
forms
of
dows
can
be
landed
in
the
details.
And
then
the
needs
of
Grassroots
communities,
so
at
a
high
level,
the
regen
Foundation
is
a
maintainer
of
the
larger
region,
Network
architecture
in
large
part
through
a
token
endowment.
B
That
is
in
a
way
understood
to
be
like
a
kind
of
structural
Equity
within
the
larger
space.
So
the
region
Foundation,
is
chartered
to
Steward
35
percent
of
the
total
token
holding
power
within
the
region
network
and
to
disperse
that
to
regenerative
communities
in
the
broadest
context
that
we
could
think
of
that
to
be
interpreted.
B
It
absolutely
includes
land,
stewards
and
First
Nations,
and
also
those
who
are
working
in
ranching,
but
also
the
science
engineering
advocacy,
scholarship,
even
philosophical
or
artistic
questions
that
relate
to
what
regeneration
means
and
the
idea
being
that
Within
These
larger
token
economic
systems.
If,
if
those
voices
are
not
given
a
seat
at
the
table,
then
there's
not
a
guarantee
that
the
overall
system
will
really
serve
the
communities
which
it
claims
to
which
it
claims
to
serve
and
I
know
that
this
is
a
sort
of
Novel
system.
B
What
we
call
the
community
staking
down
in
that
we're
building
Dows,
to
bring
Community
stake
to
own
and
govern
the
larger
system
of
climate
financing
and
and
climate
Justice
infrastructure.
That
has
been
the
model
with
which
the
region
network
has
sort
of
landed
in
ensuring
there's
an
accountability
to
the
folks
on
the
ground.
B
But
it's
maybe
you
know
one
example
of
how
that
might
have
emerged
in
in
the
other
thoughts
that
were
happening
at
the
time
at
the
original
creation
of
the
region.
Network.
So
we'll
I'm,
going
to
actually
put
you
on
the
spot
and
say
I
know
that
the
endowment
and
the
sort
of
Cs
Dao
became
this
idea
of
how
to
ensure
that
the
network
served
regenerators.
C
C
One
of
them
was
when
we
were
a
proof
of
authority
when
we
were
looking
at
proof
of
authority
before
we
had
gotten
on
the
cosmos
bandwagon,
so
in
proof
of
authority.
What
we
had
been
thinking
was
there
would
be
Network
infrastructure
that
was
owned
and
operated
at
the
bioregional
level
and
that
there
would
essentially
be
this
sort
of
bioregional
Congress
of
sorts
which
might
have
just
been
regen
Consortium
in
a
different,
different,
iteration
or
kind
of
reconceived.
C
We
had
also
been
looking
at
these
two
token
architectures,
where
we
would
have
one
I,
either
fixed
Supply
or
maybe
even
a
declining
Supply
over
time
token,
and
then
another
token.
That
would
be
continuously
minted,
with
proof
of
regeneration,
which
proof
of
regeneration
being
this
kind
of
counter
to
Mining
and
proof
of
work.
Where
you
have
this
reverse
mining,
where
you
are
putting
carbon
back
in
the
soil
and
re-enlivening
ecosystems,
so
yeah
I
guess
I'll
stop
there.
B
Yeah,
and
that
is
really
cool,
I-
think
that
there
should
be
a
larger
discussion
around
the
the
different
choices
and
the
different
opportunities
in
terms
of
token
design,
larger
Network
design
to
include
and
to
integrate
the
sort
of
the
voice
of
regenerators
and
and
how
to
yeah
to
like
describe
this
proof
of
regeneration
versus
mining.
Some
of
these
core
Dynamics,
which
are
certainly
a
part
of
the
token
economic
white
paper,
but
I,
think
visit
Merit
being
Revisited
at
a
sort
of
high
level
in
terms
of
like
yeah.
How?
B
How
is
it
going
and
part
of
the
reason
that
we're
running
this
Twitter
space
today
is
in
the
new
capacity
that
I
have
as
the
executive
of
the
region
Foundation
to
debut
this
idea,
not
debut,
but
to
evolve.
The
idea
of
the
region
foundation
and
the
endowment
program
that
we'll
just
described
to
become
a
model
that
we're
tentatively
calling
like
the
regen,
Commons
and
the
region.
B
So
I'm
super
excited
about
that
and
I'd
like
to
spend
some
of
the
time
like
kind
of
reintroducing.
What
the
cohort
that
we
have
so
far
has
been
doing
and
what's
on
our
mind
for
the
upcoming
cohort
I
just
handed
over
speaker
privileges
to
Greg
and
I,
just
you
haven't
said
hi
yet
so
I
want
to
pause
for
a
second
and
say
hi
Gregory,
thanks
for
coming
I,
don't
know
if
you
want
to
like
interject
or
anything
or
just
say
hello,
but
I'm,
giving
you
the
chance
to
do
so
now.
If.
D
You
like
awesome,
hi,
awesome,
hi,
everyone,
I,
I,
think
I'll
just
keep
listening
for
now,
yeah
exciting
a
little
yeah
tour
through
the
early
days
of
our
token
visioning,
I
oftentimes.
Think
about
a
lot
of
those
many
of
those
ideas
proving
to
be
quite
solid
in
terms
of
where
I
think
things
are
going.
I.
B
D
The
one
thing
I
would
just
share
is
the
question
for
me
is
always
the
balance
between
what
is
practicable
and
what
is
you
know,
meaning
actionable
in
a
realistic
way
given
engineering
resource
and
I
guess,
cultural
restraints,
around
token
economics
and
what
people,
what
games
people
are
interested
and
excited
to
play
in
a
in
a
new
economic
certain.
You
know
Game,
Theory,
environment
versus
what
could
really
have
the
highest
potential
of
engendering
the
culture
of
regeneration
and
re
and
rewarding
the
actions
that
we
want
and
I
I.
B
No
thanks
for
that
prompt,
I
think
it's
really
juicy
to
even
just
respond
to
that
in
continuing
this
conversation
in
part,
because
there
is
a
real
appetite
and
a
real
excitement
around
thinking
through
the
kind
of
emerging
or
potential
game,
theoretical
models
by
which
communities
own
and
govern
and
develop
this
kind
of
network
or
infrastructure
and
oftentimes
at
least
in
the
web
3
space.
It's
not
one
way,
it's
not
only
one
way
ever,
but
we
commonly
see
like
well.
B
How
are
we
building
means
to
allow
culture
and
the
sort
of
history
and
the
identity
of
regeneration
in
its
broad
number
of
forms,
to
inform
the
tools
that
is
not
necessarily
A
participation
model,
that's
defined
by
what
the
proof
of
stake
system,
or
whatever
your
particular
Network
architecture,
is,
but
how
to
really
bring
the
attitude.
The
cultures
and
the
identities
of
regenerative
communities
into
the
Technical
Systems
that
people
are
developing
and
I
think
in
some
ways
that
is
one
of
the
core
contributions
of
the
endowment
and
the
in
the
region.
Commons
and
the
region.
B
So
one
of
the
challenges
that
we
actively
work
through
at
the
foundation
is
to
Think
Through,
okay
in
a
two
on
two
sides
of
one
line
or
on
either
side
of
a
kind
of
spectrum.
We
see
that
there
are
lower
technical
proficiency,
but
higher
rootedness
communities
and
by
rootedness
I
mean
like
situated
in
the
living
world,
having
a
history
of
of
identifying
as
a
as
a
as
part
of
a
bio
region
and
and
having
a
sort
of
Rich
cultural
context
around
icology
and
identity
oftentimes.
B
Those
communities
are
not
at
the
Vanguard
more
often
than
not
they're,
not
at
the
Vanguard
of
technical
development
and
the
barriers
to
entry
are
really
high.
So
the
foundation
in
the
region
network
is
very
actively
engaged
in
a
challenge
where
we
are
supporting
the
literacy
adoption
and
conversation
just
general
proficiency
around
these
emerging
Technologies
with
groups
that
are
more
remote,
whether
that's
physical
or
on
a
technical
kind
of
fluency
level.
B
You
know
in
incrementally,
like
in
parts
and
in
phases
and
so
the
barrier
to
entry
to
a
lot
of
web3
Technology.
If
you
ask
a
layperson,
is
pretty
high
and
obviously
that's
being
driven
down
quite
quickly,
but
it's
being
driven
down
according
to
maybe
what's
the
most
profitable
or
what
seems
to
be
the
most
active
group.
But
what's
the
most
active
group
may
not
be
the
most
important
to
have
the
voice
of,
and
that's
particularly,
what
we're
trying
to
address.
B
So
we
have
this
challenge
of
more
a
higher
barrier
to
entry
communities
participating
with
tools
which
are
higher
barrier
to
entry,
and
that
is
an
incredibly
interesting
and
important
challenge
to
navigate
and
one
that
we're
really
excited
to
sort
of
unpack
and
explore.
And
we've
been
doing
that
through
the
sort
of
cohort
endowment
system
in
this
model.
But
I'm
going
to
pause
and
sit.
Ask
will,
if
you
have
any
any
interjections
around
what
you
think
of
this,
of
this
challenge
of
emerging
technology
with
higher
barrier
to
entry.
B
Communities
like
how
how
have
you
experienced
and
in
thinking
through
the
design
of
the
larger
Network
like?
How
have
you
thought
through
that
challenge?
Are
there
sort
of
like
approaches
that
you
think
are
best
suited
towards
in
bringing
on
inclusion
and
having
meaningful
conversation
on
with
Engineers
or
with
regenerative
communities
like?
How
has
that
played
out?
In
your
perspective,
I'm
curious.
B
C
C
I
I
would
say
that
I
mean
this.
This
has
definitely
been
on
our
mind
for
a
while.
It's
one
of
the
reasons
that
rivathi
was
the
the
founding
executive
director
at
the
foundation.
In
that
her
background
is
at
the
intersection
of
those
areas.
She's
worked
on
a
lot
of
kind
of
tech
and
accessibility
things,
and
also
with
the
Seva
women's
Cooperative
across
India.
C
Think
one
of
the
exciting
projects
there
is
the
the
group
module
and
the
interfaces
that
are
going
to
be
coming
online
later
this
year
there,
which
will
just
allow
other
other
interfaces
for
what's
essentially
kind
of
an
evolution
of
multi-sig
but
yeah,
maybe
maybe
we'll
pause
if
Gregory
wants
to
throw
anything
in.
On
that
note,.
D
What's
important,
you
know
beneath
all
of
the
hubbub
and
the
Market
speculation
and
the
drama
which,
by
the
way,
happens
anytime,
there's
a
new
disruptive
technology
right.
So
so,
if
we
look,
if
we
think
back,
you
know,
people
are
oftentimes
like
oh
crypto
is
like
the
Tulip
bubble
right,
but
guess
what
one
of
the
largest
exports
to
this
day
of
Holland
is
it's
tulips.
D
There
was
a
giant
there's
all
sorts
of
crazy,
speculative
Madness
around
the
railroad
age
right
and
there
was
fraud
and
other
things,
but
railroads
fundamentally
transformed
our
economy,
so
on
one
hand,
I
think
it
isn't
just
that
blockchain
is
hype.
It's
that
it
is
it.
It
is
one
of
a
set
of
transformative
Technologies
which
are
all
converging
right
now:
digital
Technologies,
blockchain,
artificial
intelligence
and
I
I,
don't
know
like
big
data
they're,
like
the
you
know,
three
of
the
the
three
horse
Horsemen
of
the
singularity
or
something
like
that.
D
I
don't
know
so
this
is
It's
like
a
real
thing,
and
these
are
real
and
and
what's
driving
the
speculation
and
the
intensity.
There
are
foundations,
and
it's
and
it's
driven
by
fundamentals,
on
the
other
hand,
is
Will's
saying
you
know,
maybe
that
kind
of,
like
acceleration
and
Hyper
capitalist
future,
isn't
exactly
what
we
want
as
a
society
Maybe.
D
Maybe
it's
better
to
focus
on
quality
and
relationship
and
integrity
and
health,
and
you
know
what's
interesting-
is
I
actually
think
that
that
it,
you
know,
I,
think
that's
encapsulated
by
this
yearning
and
and
how
sticky
and
how
rapid
regenerative
Finance
has
become
a
meme
and
there's
such
a
community
growing
up
around
it
right.
So
so
I
think
the
question
is:
can
we
can
we
embed
these
tools
and
these
Technologies
in
to
our
lives
and
into
our
economy
in
a
way
that
serves
life
and
and
in
a
way,
that's
regenerative?
D
D
We
do
need
to
be
willing
to
kind
of
like
roll
our
sleeves
up
and
get
dirty
with
some
experiments
and
on
the
other
hand,
we
need
to
be
honest
and
transparent
about
when
things
don't
work
and
we
we
need
to
sort
of
like
shift
shift
the
Dynamics
and
not
just
get
swept
away
with
this,
like
endless
liquidity
dream
right.
So
there's
a
real,
interesting
tension
and
I
find
it
quite
exciting.
D
It's
sort
of
invigorating
it's
it's
kind
of
like
it's,
the
great
task
of
Our
Generation
in
a
way
to
Surf
this
wave
and
to
try
to
stay
on
the
board
and
not
just
you
know,
fall
off
or
have
the
wave
crash
on
us
so
to
speak.
So
you
know
I,
think
impre,
very
practical
terms.
I
think
the
way
that
we've
been
trying
to
serve
this
is
to
bring
high
integrity
credits
into
an
existing
market
right.
D
But
but
then,
on
the
other
hand,
you
know,
then
how
do
you
connect
meaningfully
with
a
set
of
relationships
and
start
to
regenerate
them
if
you're
not
engaging
with
the
real
marketplace
right
and
so,
as
will
was
saying,
I
think
there's
this
opportunity
to
embed
like
to
be
create
re-weaving
relationships
between
people
and
reconnecting
the
value
exchange
between
them
and
making
that
clear
and
present
and
I.
Think
that's
really.
D
You
know
for
corporate
leaders,
for
just
you
know
normal
citizens
who
who
may
sometimes
we
may
sometimes
call
them
consumers
for
all
of
us.
That's
exciting,
that's
invigorating!
It
creates
some
new
form
of
value.
That's
very,
very,
very
tangible,
there's
a
lot
of
questions
about
how
to
do
that.
The
best
way
but
being
dedicated
to
that
experimentation,
I
think
is
going
to
be
quite
transformative,
like
I.
Think
we're
going
to
see
some
really
interesting
Innovations
in
the
reconnection
of
value
to
right
relationship.
D
I
was
you
know,
I
tweeted
a
while
ago
that
an
Eco
credit
is
a
symbol
of
right
relationship
between
humans
and
the
larger
ecosystem.
That
they're
relating
to
right
and
credit
is
Latin.
You
know
the
Latin
root
of
credit.
Is
you
know,
credare
I
think
it's
like
credible.
It
means
trust,
it
means
confidence.
Essentially,
so
it's
like
that
trust
is
speaking
to
a
relational
dynamic
between
people.
D
So
if
that
relational
Dynamic
is
Quantified
as
a
unit
of
carbon,
because
people
are
taking
action
to
sequester
carbon
into
soils
and
that
helps
a
larger
Global
process
to
sort
of
decarbonize
the
atmosphere
and
put
that
carbon
back
into
living
systems
awesome.
But
you
can
also
see
all
the
other
amazing
things
that
you
can
Credit
One
Another
for
and
in
a
way
how
foundational
that
actually
is
to
just
like
the
social
con
contract
of
like
what
is
actually
valuable.
It
is
so
foundational
and
I
think
that
it's
so
real
and
it's
so
sticky.
B
No,
that's
that's.
That's
awesome.
I
mean
the
the
there's
so
much
going
on
in
the
way
with
which
we
are
opening
up
a
huge
space
to
understand
what
value
and
Trust
in
the
form
of
credit
means
and
that
it
is
both
a
reflection
of
a
kind
of
higher
level
symbiosis
in
relationship
with
the
living
world
and
could
also
be
understood
through
financial
terms
as
a
new
Wellspring
of
value
that
is
ready
to
be
mined,
and
that
challenge
is
one
of
the
most
interesting
challenges.
B
It's
so
much
like
you
know
the
Tulip
Boom
the
bubbles
around
tulips,
which
I
thought
was
a
great
example
or
or
the
influence
of
the
railroad
that
that
yes,
there
is
a
kind
of
like
drama
and
frenetic
energy.
What
surrounds
these
opening
moments,
but
we
have
to
build
systems
and
institutions
and
relationships
which
are
durable
and
long-standing,
which
rely
on
something
that
we
understand
to
be
fundamental
between
people,
which
is
like
trust,
relationships
and
being
right
with
the
living
world
and
the
environment
and
I.
B
Think
that,
like
there
is
a
tremendous
shortage
of
organizations
and
I'm
going
to
I
think
the
region.
Foundation
is
absolutely
in
this
order
of
trying
to
play
the
long
game
to
set
the
terms
of
these
Dynamics
and
call
that
out
in
front
long
ahead
of
time
and
to
really
be
pushing
on
that.
The
hype
cycle
is
loud.
B
B
I
just
want
to
like
call
out
one
I
think
really
interesting.
Challenge
on
actually
building
those
relationships
and
allowing
the
sort
of
technology
and
the
cultures
to
intermingle
in
meaningful
ways
has
to
do
with
how
people
interface
with
these
systems-
and
it's
not
just
like
on
the
front
end.
But
it's
also
on
the
back
end
or
what
I
mean
to
say
like
the
on-ramp
and
the
off
ramp
and
one
of
the
realizations
that
we've
really
been
developing
and
understanding
at
the
foundation.
And
then
the
broader
Network.
B
Around
inclusion
and
an
active
dialogue
amongst
regenerators
in
in
regenerative
economics.
More
broadly
has
to
do
with
how
people
are
able
to
get
in
and
get
out
like
on
ramps
and
off
ramps
of
the
system
and
that
one
of
the
biggest
UI
ux
challenges
that
exist
in
really
making
accessible
and
porous.
These
systems
is
the
barrier
to
like
participate
to
get
in
and
the
barrier
to
like
retrieve
resources
and
and
and
the
asset
sort
of
value
out
the
other
side.
B
So
questions
around
the
account
abstraction
or
how
to
how
to
have
an
identity
within
the
blockchain
space
that
is
as
low
a
barrier
to
entry
as
possible.
Becomes
this
incredibly
important
question,
because,
if
there's
too
much
friction,
which
there's
always
going
to
be
some
and
to
an
extent,
friction
is
where,
like
creative
potential
might
emerge,
but
in
order
to
root
these
projects
into
something
which
is
dirty,
durable
and
like
right
by
the
environment,
we
have
to
really
actively
discuss
and
think
about
how
frictionful
participating
is
in
the
process.
B
Maybe
not
in
the
same
terms
or
maybe
not
using
the
same
technical
stats,
but
in
application?
And
then
concept
are
already
there
talking
about
governance,
talking
about
stewardship,
talking
about
multi-cigs
there's
a
long
history
of
Precedence
by
which
people
coordinate
around
social
and
ecological
dilemmas
to
for
the
best
mutual
benefit
and
I,
see
this
project
as
tapping
into
that
process
and
hey,
and
that
implementation
scale
is
so
helpful.
Austin.
D
Can
I
can
I
as
we're
approaching
the
end?
I
was
thinking,
it
would
be
really
lovely.
You
and
I
have
been
chatting
a
little
bit
about
very
practical
matters.
Related
to
this,
it
seems
like
it'd,
be
super
useful
to
ground
this
conversation,
which,
with
will
you
and
I
on
stage,
is
fairly.
You
know,
I,
don't
know
what
the
word
would
be
expansive
and
to
to
sort
of
like
bring
it
down
to
some
very
practical
things.
I'm.
D
Want
to
riff
a
little
bit
on
the
research
that
you've
been
doing
around
Dow,
tooling,
that's
accessible
now
or
will
be
accessible
in
the
near
future
for
Community,
staking
Dows
and
other
groups
who
want
who
may
already
be
building
in
the
ethereum
virtual
machine
or
with
solidity
or
maybe
building
cosmosm,
but
want
to
be
able
to
interact
and
coordinate
with
region.
Ledger
and
sort
of
like
be
part
of
that.
D
D
B
Like
definitely
in
the
works
and
I
think
that's
an
awesome
way
to
kind
of
close
this
out,
because
in
order
to
talk
about
this
sort
of
higher
level,
abstract
sort
of
governance
models,
we
are
living
in
a
space
where
there's
a
lot
of
different
ecosystems
and
a
lot
of
different
teams
that
are
building
things
in
a
manner
that
can
become
siled.
But
yet
the
pressure
of
the
economy
and
the
sort
of
overall
circumstances
mean
that
people
are
increasingly
like
working
together.
B
Accounts
is
an
extremely
exciting
opportunity
to
do
that,
and
so
that's
been.
That
will
be
one
of
the
main
focuses
on
actually
supporting
some
application
scale
projects
with
this
upcoming
cohort.
So
I
don't
have
like
crazy,
like
white
paper
level
details
to
get
into
but
post
eat,
Denver,
I'd
love
to
come
back
on
and
like
really
talk
about
some
of
the
things
that
we're
cooking
up,
because
I
am
in
service
to
the
larger
Mission.
D
Be
I
will
say
very
concretely
that
nose
is
safe,
is
live
on
evmos
and
there
are
and
and
Dao
Dao
is
live
on
Juno
and
with
and
interchange
accounts
is
live
on
regen
and
with
a
governance
upgrade.
We
can
enable
the
specific
functionality
of
interchain
accounts,
which
allows
an
account
on
one
blockchain
to
control
another,
and
so
I
think
you
know
I
think
we're
we're
at
the
cusp
of
just
being
able
to
sort
of
use
any
infinite.
D
You
know
basketing
tokens
moving
those
tokens
to
another
blockchain.
All
of
that
full
functionality
should
be
able
to
be
managed
by
a
dow,
that's
deployed
on
Atmos
or
Juno.
So
you
know
we'll
see,
I
think
that,
as
as
you
said,
Austin
the
next
there's
sort
of
like
an
experimental
phase
and
maybe
there'll
be
some
hacking
that
takes
place
at
East,
Denver
and
we'll
sort
of
see.
Some
of
this
start
to
work.
B
B
Just
we
don't
have
a
whole
lot
of
time.
Left
I've
talked
a
lot,
so
I'm
gonna
like
basically
pass
the
mic
back
out
in
case
anybody
wants
to
do
a
shout
out
or
kind
of
close
this
off
thanks
for
thanks
for
listening
to
all
the
stuff,
that's
moving
and
shaking
definitely
stay
tuned
and
follow
our
Twitter
account
at
the
foundation
to
stay,
updated
on,
what's
live
and
what's
happening
and
we'll
definitely
come
back
to
a
Twitter
space
and
then
in
the
future,
to
dive
into
some
more
details.
A
B
A
A
A
A
So
you
know
we're
early
days
still
frankly
and
we're
trying
to
navigate
as
we
understand
better
how
to
govern
as
a
community,
particularly
some
of
the
some
of
the
issues
around
you
know.
We
want
to
stimulate
people
examining
the
soliciting
the
community
for
funds
to
develop
in
around
and
on
regen
Network
ecosystem,
but
we
also
have
pretty
at
least
now
pretty
limited,
tooling
or
expectations
frankly
for
accountability
and
deliverables,
and
just
what
makes
sense.
A
So
the
proposals
are
good
and
also
the
deliverables
are
solid
to
the
community
and
our
limited
resources
are
used
wisely.
So
we're
going
to
stimulate
some
conversation
around
that
in
the
next
couple
of
weeks
and
invite
you
to
start
thinking
about.
You
know
patterning
for
the
future
really
right.
This
is
not.
This
is
an
issue
happening
across
Cosmos
and
across
web
3
around.
A
What
does
it
look
like
to
ask
a
community
for
tranche
of
money
to
to
do
work,
and
then
how
do
we
report
back
to
a
to
a
community
in
a
way
that
honors,
you
know
just
the
channel
challenge
of
doing
anything
in
this
life
in
the
complexities
nuances
around
that,
but
also
provides
some
level
of
accountability
to
a
community
who's.
Entrusting
said
partners
with
with
with
critical
funds
to
to
execute
on
a
said
promise,
so
anyhow
stay
tuned.
C
C
Protocols
play
in
network
security
and
economics,
and
things
like
that
that
we
won't
get
into
right
now,
but
it
is
a
big
conversation
in
the
cosmos
ecosystem
right
now,
Quicksilver
was
founded
by
Joe
Bowman,
who
was
actually
one
of
the
initial
lead
validators
in
the
regen
test
Network,
so
we've
had
a
long-term
relationship
with
their
team
and
for
other
reasons,
also
believe
that
it's
kind
of
the
most
solid
liquid
staking
approach
out
there.
So
far.
C
It
has
a
lot
of
overlap
and
governance
philosophy
with
with
regen
Network,
which
some
of
the
other
staking
liquid
staking
protocols.
Don't
don't
have
a
strong,
an
emphasis
on
leaving
governance
intact,
but
anyways
in
order
to
enable
liquid
state
the
regen
chain
needs
to
have
interchain
accounts
live.
This
is
effectively
a
parameter
change.
There's
a
a
proposal
on
the
Commonwealth
Forum.
Well,
I!
Guess
it's
not
a
proposal
yet,
but
it
we
can
move
it
on
to
an
on-chain
proposal
over
the
next
few
days.
Here.
C
If
there
are
no
objections
there
are,
there
is
a
test.
Net
live
right
now
that
is
just
trialing
things
out
to
see
that
everything
looks
good
on
the
back
end
between
Quicksilver
and
regen,
but
if
we
enable
interchain
accounts
and
if
the
Quicksilver
Community
votes
to
adopt
regen,
then
you'll
be
able
to
Port
your
regen
tokens
over
to
Quicksilver
and
liquid
stake
them
and
get
Q
regen
in
return.